#2566 - Cody Tucker

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day! Joe, what's happening? Hey, man. Good to see you, brother. I know. You wrote a book. Look at you, you're a fucking author. A second one. I never thought of that. Oh, is this your second book? Yeah, I remember the last time I was here. Oh, that's right. You wrote a book? That's right. Where did that come from? I still, I mean, I marvel at your Instagram page. Your Instagram page is excellent. It's one of the best ones of all, for sure. But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly able to create content, like these non-sequitur, very bizarre facts and strange coincidences. Like, how the fuck are you doing this? Dude, I read so much. And I'm a pretty quick reader. Like, I've always been very fast, like a good skimmer. And yeah, I just like all day, every day. That's all I do. So you read. And then you go, oh, that one's crazy. And you just write it down? Yeah, so like, whatever I'm reading, like say I'm reading a book on, I don't know, like Ben Franklin. I'll, anything that comes up that I'm like, oh, that's pretty interesting, I don't think a lot of people know about that, highlight. And then I go through, piece all together, check and make sure it's all, you know, real. And yeah, and then dive into other things off of that, like kind of spiderweb out and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole. Constantly. All day, every day, rabbit holes. What is that like? It can get weird. Yeah. I mean, there's some times where I'm like, ooh, I hope, you know, I hope the FBI's enjoying what they're seeing, because good Lord, like I didn't want to be here today, but yeah, it can get a little odd. Yeah, because you're constantly like researching crimes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Murders, weird things that have been done to people over time. Speaking, you know the Debbie Harry story. Well, that she thinks may have happened. I don't know if I buy it. Really? Tell people what it is. Okay, so. The Ted Bundy one. So, yeah. So, Debbie Harry believes that sometime in the early 70s or late 60s that she was picked up by a man driving a Volkswagen Beetle and that that car didn't have indoor handles and she escaped and she believes that it was Ted Bundy. But if you look it up, like on, you know, like a timeline of events, he was not anywhere around there at that time. Yeah. So, it could just be another guy. Oh, geez. Doing creepy things. Yeah. When there's one, there's many, you know. Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time a guy's figured out a way to close off the handles on the inside of his car. Oh, it won't be the last. Trap people. Yeah, I'm working on it right now. Ha! I watched a video today where this young man in India robbed a guy with scopolamine. What the hell's that? Okay. I'm so glad I get to tell you something that you don't know. Oh, yeah. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. If it's science. If it's science-related or anything like that, I'm probably not going to know anything. Well, it's crime-related as well. Okay. Scopolamine is a drug that is, I guess it's in the class of deliriant, and if inhaled, you literally become like a prisoner to whoever gave you the drug. Like, you become like a zombie. Really? Yeah. It is like a zombie drug. Not only is it real, but it's also the active ingredient in anti-seizure drugs. So, when you take Dramamine. I'm the captain now. Dramamine. Ha! Yeah. Oh, jeez. Look at me. Yeah. That's what he was doing. He blew it right in Hank's face. Scopolamine is one of the ingredients in Dramamine. Oh. So, I don't know. I guess it's a very small dose, but in a larger dose. So, this guy, this young guy came up behind this guy in India, and he put it on his neck, and the guy touches his neck. And then, all of a sudden, he just keeps touching his neck, and the guy just takes his bag off of him, takes his wallet out of his pocket, takes his phone out of his other pocket, and walks off. And the guy's just standing there, just helpless. Lost and helpless. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, it's like. That's so crazy. God. What do they refer to it as? There's a. Devil's breath? Devil's breath. That's right. In Colombia, the drug dealers use it to force people to do things. Yeah, okay. They blow it in their face. They blow it in their face, and when you inhale it, it's like they literally just come up to you. Right. Where have I seen that in a movie? There was a zombie movie a long time ago. Serpent and the Rainbow? That's right. Oh, I love that movie. Yeah, great movie. I'm so glad we just brought that up. I forgot about that movie. Yeah, Serpent and the Rainbow is one of my. I used to watch that all the time when I was a kid, like five or six. Well, they think that that might be a part of the whole zombie lore that Scopolamine used. Okay. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, it's apparently. Like, see if there's any videos of people getting dosed with Scopolamine. Because this. I didn't know that people did it to rob people. And this guy in India, he just, like, touched some of it on this guy's neck. Right, right. He was standing behind him, and he was looking at the guy's bag and, you know, looking the guy over. The guy's waiting across the street, and he just reaches and touches the side of his neck with it. Oh, so it's potent as hell. Potent as hell. Man. Well, he didn't go unconscious. Yeah, yeah. He immediately was just like, what the hell? And then he was just, like, just delirious, just moving around weird. And the guy just took a shit. I wonder where you buy that. That's a good question. Hmm. Maybe you shouldn't search that either. Well, I've searched worse. What's that, Jay? There's patches of it for motion sickness. Yeah, motion sickness. But, like, how many patches do you have to take before someone could just steal your wallet? That's a question. Do you have to, like, mummify them? Right. I had to. I know, right? What do you have to do? Maybe that's where mummies go. Yeah. I, uh. Is there any videos of people under the influence of that? All the videos I'm fucking on YouTube are literally, like, the patches and, like, people putting them on their neck. There is a Vice documentary from 14 years ago. Hmm. But it's in Columbia. Boy, 14 years ago, Vice was the shit. Oh, man. Did you ever watch The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia? Liberia, yeah. Yeah, about General Butt Naked? Yes. And Charles Taylor? Oh, my God. I've recommended that probably more than I've ever recommended anything in my life. It's so terrifying that they did that. And that guy just became a preacher and all is forgiven. He was eating kids. Yeah, eating their hearts. Yeah. Like, saving the heart because it made them invincible. Cutting it right out of their chest while they're alive and then eating their heart and then he found Jesus and all is forgiven. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess that is, you know, what it says in there. What a great place to live, though, in terms of, like, actual real forgiveness. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, places give you that kind of leeway. Oh, you found Jesus? But didn't he—he caught a guy serving human meat. Yes. Like, a guy was serving it, like, on a stick, you know? While he was a preacher. Right, right. He tasted it and was like, uh-oh, I know this taste. Yeah. And reported him. Yeah. And it was true. Yeah, a guy was killing people and just, you know, turning them into, like, a— Lunch gown. A shish kebab. Yeah, Liberia is a fucked up place. So, do you know the story of Liberia? About, like, James Monroe? Is that Liberia or is that Libya? No, Liberia. Liberia was, like, a colony that was going to be, you know, like, take basically all slaves back to this spot. And that's why the capital is Monrovia, because it was named after James Monroe, the president. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it was literally founded with chaos. Yeah. This episode is presented by Paramount+. On October 16th, The King returns. Sylvester Stallone is back as mob boss Dwight Manfredi in the Paramount Plus hit series, Tulsa King. With new enemies closing in and his empire on the line, Dwight and his crew prepare for the biggest fight of their lives. Tulsa King, new season, streaming October 16th only on Paramount+. This episode is brought to you by Visible. As fall hits, we enter another season of change. Time to shift gears, drop the dead weight, and upgrade the wardrobe for the drop in temperature. But one thing that doesn't need to change? Your phone. The smartest upgrade this season isn't a new phone, it's a better wireless plan. 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That general butt-naked guy would literally take his fucking clothes off, fully naked, and run into battle with an AK-47. And a machete. Normally, you'd just use a machete. I don't think it would have the same effect if I did that. Butt-naked? With a machete? No, I don't think it would be as. Well, that's probably true. Actually, yeah, it would probably be even more effective than now. That's a lot of. A lot of fear. A lot of fear coming off of you. A lot of meat. Machete. A lot of meat. Yeah, a lot of meat. AK-47. Not a lot of speed, though. Not a lot of speed. Actually, I'm faster than you would imagine. A lot of momentum. Oh, yeah. Once I start, I can't help but stop. I mean, no, I'm faster than you think. You know, all jokes aside. Do you run? Well, if I have to. But how do you know, then? When was the last time you had to run away from something? So you know how, like, when you're not running, you're not moving. When you're not moving, you're storing energy. Okay. Right? You know, like, there's kinetic energy and potential energy. Wait a minute. This is all I know about science, really, is about this. Well, of course you are. Like, if you're napping. Well, yeah, because if you're doing something, you're expelling energy. Right. Correct. So you must be storing some whenever you're doing nothing. Like, if I eat and do nothing, I'm building up energy that's ready to go. Well, I've been doing that for about 15 years. So the amount of energy I have stored up is probably second to none. I don't know. I don't think that would work in a study. I think if you did a study, I think they'd probably have some other explanations as to what's happening when you just sit still. If I paid the right person, I think the results I wanted. That's true. That's what's crazy. Yeah, I know. When you find out that we had one of these guys that was on our podcast that was a litigator for these lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies and is explaining how pharmaceutical drug companies. Yeah. do their peer-reviewed studies. Oh, I'm sure that's. Oh, it's so crazy. So first of all, there's no transparency. So like, say if you have a drug that you want to release, you could do 10 studies and eight of them show this is complete bullshit, but one or two of them show just some sort of statistically significant improvement in something because you've kind of manipulated all the different controls in the study to make it. Yeah. Once you have this, if it's peer-reviewed, the scientists do not get to look at the actual data. Okay. They get to look at the pharmaceutical drug company's scientists' version of what the study was. So they only get to use what they're. So if they have scientists that perform this study, then these scientists submit a report and then that report gets peer-reviewed. Yeah. Not the actual data. Okay. So like no one ever gets to see the actual study. So that's one of the reasons that they can say crazy things like it's 100% effective in stopping death and illness. So when they say it's 100% effective, you know how they say that? So if you have one person in the control group or one person in the vaccine group or the medication group and that person dies and then you have a control group where two people die. Well, 100% more died in the control group where they didn't get the medication. Right. So that means it's 100% effective. I'm not bullshitting. Oh, boy. That's a. Isn't that wild? You got to have a. To reach that kind of. Sociopathy. That's amazing. That's sociopathy where you're delivering medication that could potentially kill people. And that's how you get things like Vioxx. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's the job. That's the job I need. Because I'm very good at that kind of thing. Getting moving words around. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I can make all kinds. I mean, I've been hired at every job I've ever applied to with zero experience in that field. And so. And it was just because I lied. Really? Yeah. Like what kind of jobs have you had? Oh, it's nothing crazy. I've never been like a doctor or anything. But I mean, it was, you know, working like at an eyeglass place or, you know, a movie theater. You know, like I've worked at movie theaters for years. So I've never. No. I just lie. Well, a movie theater, no one's going to get hurt. Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, no, I've never worked in a position where people. I did work in a pharmacy. I guess that could get people hurt. But. Did you say you had a degree? No, I said I was on my way to getting one. Which I guess technically is true if I. Sure. I mean, anyone. Start tomorrow. You're on my way if. Yeah. You know? I'm going to be a scientist. You just haven't started, but. Speaking of that, how does this happen when the CIA guy that stole all that money, how does he lie about his past to get through the CIA to. To a point where he can then lie about a fake operation where he steals $150 million? So he faked a college degree and he faked his military service and got into the CIA and was a senior CIA official. How? Well, they didn't check. They did the Cody Tucker. No. No, he just didn't keep a straight face. Wow. I mean, he kept a straight face. That's all you got to do. That guy's wild. What a wild fella he must have been. Yeah, that's. Please tell me there's some cocaine involved in here somewhere. Oh, there has to be. He's got luxury watches, 35 luxury watches, two BMWs. Well, there's your answer to the cocaine question. Private charter flights, he spent $1.8 million. Woo! Oh, yeah. Luxury Florida real estate in Palm Beach. But also, he's just got caught. There's no way he came up with this out of a vacuum and just was like, I got an idea. I can take advantage of the CIA in this cool way. Right. I feel like I can do it. Well, there's no way he's the only one. That's what I mean. Yeah, like. Yeah. Oh, no. Well, that's where those. All those stories about the dude from the Tom Cruise movie. What the fuck's his name again? Georgian? No, the Coke dealer. Barry Seals. Oh. Thank you. Barry Seals. Was that American made? Is that. Yes. That movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Mina, Arkansas story. Yes. This guy was working for the CIA, going down to Columbia, getting cocaine, flying it into Mina, Arkansas, dropping it off. And he got busted with it, and then Bill Clinton had him released. That's in the movie. I mean, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was his M.O. quite a bit. Well, I think the CIA, and I think probably a lot of the big government organizations. Is this the guy's gold? This is the gold and the cash he had at his house. Oh, oh, oh. He had like three million in cash and 40 million in gold bars or so. It looks fake. Like, it just looks like a movie. It looks like a prop. Yeah. Well, it's also like the perfect box. Those might be like. Is that how they found it, or is this like how the government stored it? Probably how they stored it and then took a picture of it. Yeah. Because those look like. Yeah. You know, government Pelican boxes. I mean, maybe it was the ones he bought, because I don't know. I feel like if I had that, I'd probably store it pretty nicely. Right. I'd have like LED lights around it and shit. Oh, my God. I'd take off all my clothes and dance in front of it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, those could be ones in there, and I'd still do that. It'd be like, you know, Pulp Fiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that yellow, that gold light. Yeah. Yeah. He had 30 watches, many of which were Rolexes. Well, congrats. There's a plug for Rolex. 2026 BMW Alpinas. Those are the really nice ones. Woo. He's scheduled to be sentenced January 28th, 2027. Faces a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, three years of supervised release, forfeiture, restitution, and a fine. A fine. Yeah. Meanwhile, they should probably rehire him and go, hey, buddy, how'd you do this? I feel like that's worth it. 20 years? Yeah. You get to live that life? Oh, he probably had a ball. I wonder how long he was doing it for. No, it didn't really say that, did it? I mean, even if it was like 10 years, you know? 10 years of awesomeness versus 20 years of prison, I feel like is a fair trade. He probably would have never gotten that awesomeness without that crime. So you've got to, and then like maybe he goes to like a fairly, I mean, it's not like he did violent crimes. He's probably not going to go to the worst kind of prison. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not going to go to a Supermax. They'll probably put him in some medium security where he gets to read and go do exercises. Yeah. He could take courses. The Martha Stewart prison. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the fucking Ghislaine Maxwell prison. Oh, yeah. She's kind of in the same prison, right? Yeah, that's probably, yeah, end up somewhere like that. I think I would do it. Isn't she in the same prison as that Elizabeth Holmes lady? The Theranos lady? Yes, yes, she is. Hilarious. Oh, I can't wait to see that. Hilarious. A sex trafficker and a lady who lied about blood tests. I haven't seen the documentary. It's not out yet, right? Is it out? I don't think. It comes out this week. Okay. I cannot wait, bro. He's great. Oh, he's excellent. He's amazing, which I didn't really know about him until pretty recently, so I've been doing kind of a deep dive into just his whole stuff on the show, and he's amazing. He's hilarious and just so clever. The way he's holding his gaze with her in that little clip, her face is just wild. You know, we all have empathy. I mean, I don't think she killed anyone. anybody so the thing is here's the problem when you're dealing with health stuff and you're lying about health tests you could have killed people because there could have been a guy who had a condition and the condition was not revealed by your fugazi blood test right and if he had gone to a real doctor like a quest diagnostics and get the whole thing done they would have said oh geez we have to get you in and we have to do some further tests oh it looks like this is elevated we have some medication you're going to be okay he could you know like there could be some people that took those tests that wound up not not knowing about cancer that they had there could have been a bunch of things where people actually did die so i take that back but trade-off she also could have told people that they had a bad disease horrible disease and then they are in you know deep despair they go to get a follow-up and find out they never had it and now they have a 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tests found anything oh well i think they were it's i i listened to there's an excellent uh podcast and you know there's podcasts like this one where obviously we didn't even talk before we came in here we just sat down shoot the shit i know you you know me we're gonna have fun oh yeah but then there's other podcasts that are like really well produced like radio lab oh yeah super well produced i it's i yeah or like dan hardcore history where he takes months to prepare for each episode um we're barely doing the same thing i'm not really they know they should have a much more elegant name to whatever it is that they do but they had one i think it's called the dropout and uh i forget who produced it but it's all about the elizabeth holm story from the beginning of set theranos to her scammy ex-boyfriend who was also the dropout abc audio it's excellent it's i can't recommend it enough it's fucking really good and it just goes into uh long detail about what was going on and how much they knew it was bullshit right it's it was bullshit like oh yeah these people weren't learning anything about what was wrong with them it didn't work and they they got people big investors i think warren buffett he might have dumped 100 million in there like these people dumped big money in yeah one lady dumped 150 in there 150 million yeah and that money's gone you know like so like that lady when she gets out her life is in danger you know she's she's fucked oh i would do horrible things people for far less 150 million and you find out the problem is it's like it seemed like such a great story you have this woman who's a super genius basically the female steve jobs she even and she is the most successful self-made woman in history yeah she was worth nine billion dollars at one point in time if only crazy yeah it's a crazy story it is amazing i mean just what a horrible human being but it's also just like jamie said like how did it get that far like jamie said with the cia guy how the fuck did you fake all those things how did you fake your military career how do they not check that i feel i feel like oversight is uh much more prevalent than what uh you know people think you know or just lack of lack of oversight yes is you know people usually aren't very good at the jobs just in general like you know anytime you work with somebody you realize oh none of us know what we're doing here and i think that doesn't stop at a certain level i think most people are just barely able to do their job especially in government oh in government i mean yeah good lord that's the problem is a lot of these jobs do not work in government i mean yeah good lord that's the problem is a lot of these jobs do not work in government don't need to exist that's one of the weird statistics about california when california is experiencing it's this mass exodus its government grew substantially substantially so they're creating jobs like when they talk about this administration has created over a hundred thousand jobs they don't tell you how many of those are completely unnecessary government jobs and so to justify those government jobs they have to do all kinds of crazy things like come up with new regulations and they have to do all kinds of crazy things like come up with new regulations and constantly like trying to enforce new laws and tell you it's to protect clean air or clean water or the environment or climate change yeah yeah no if you can make your own jobs i mean you can have an endless supply of jobs sure if you uh running a government and you just decide to regulate some particular aspect of society and then hire a bunch of people to oversee that then you have new jobs yeah you have an entire committee yeah and everybody in that committee has their you know person it's just a piece of cake yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah pyramid scheme. Exactly. Which really is, it's like multi-level marketing, but the thing you're selling is even more bullshitty than what most MLMs are selling. Well, it's even scarier because a lot of these bullshitty things, they sell it to the general public under the guise, under this premise that you're going to help people who are in need. Like the homeless situation in California, where they've burned through $24 billion and Gavin Newsom vetoes an audit of it. Because what they'll find out is that money probably went to a bunch of nonprofits and probably went to a bunch of NGOs. And there was probably a bunch of people that were executives that got paid high six-figure salaries working there. And they have no incentive whatsoever to fix this problem. No. You got a nice house in Santa Monica. You got a mortgage. You're driving around in a Lexus. Why would you fix that? No, people don't police themselves, typically. Once they get to a certain point, they don't do that. They don't do that. They don't do that. I think the average person does. They choose to maybe drive the speed limit, even if there's not a cop around or whatever. But I think once you get to a certain level, when there's that much money involved, yeah, you'll usually just kind of do whatever the hell you want. Especially if you're in government. Yeah. Or you're in the CIA. Because you're the guy that is going to stop you. Yeah. It's like, oh, you mean I'm the guy who's supposed to bust me? I don't think so. And you're literally like, you're part of the intelligence agency and you've got a closet in your house filled with cops. Yeah. And you've got gold and $100 bills and cocaine. That'd be nice. You've got 30 Rolexes. Yeah. You're balling out of control. Yeah. I'm not slowing that down. Why would you slow down? No, no. They probably feel like, okay, I'm going to make one big score and then I'm going to get out. Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, yeah. It's heat. Yeah. This is our last one. Michael Douglas was in here yesterday. I heard. It was great. And one of his crazy stories was his dad. You know, when he turned 18, his dad basically said, look, I'm going to write you a check for $10,000 and then that's it. You're cut off. And so the way he fund, and he was like, but I have a, I have student loans. I have this and that. So the way he funded his education is he was smuggling marijuana, like huge suitcases. And this is pre TSA. So he's literally like coming into the country with suitcases filled with marijuana. And he only did it twice. He did it twice. How? You do it just twice. That's what I said. I'm like, what willpower you have. But he said, he goes, it was so crazy and so nerve wracking. And it was so much adrenaline and worried about getting caught, but he made a bunch of money and that's how he financed everything. That's amazing. He produced, didn't he produce One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? He did with Credence Clearwater Revival's money. So the manager of John Fogerty, John Fogerty talked about it on the podcast. That guy was a scumbag and he was like stealing his money. Yeah. He sued him for sounding too much like himself. It was amazing. John Fogerty, you sound too much like John Fogerty. When he left Credence and started his own band, it was like, you sound too much like Credence. Like, bitch, I wrote all his songs. The fuck do you want from me? Of course I do. You want me to make a reggae album? I mean, yeah, that sounds like me. Yeah. So Credence Clearwater Revival's money financed One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. That's amazing. Yeah. I did not know the CCR connection. I knew that he produced it. Because I remember watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, I was like, why the hell is Michael Douglas's name on this? And he's not even in it. He's not even in it. And then I was like, oh, yeah, he wasn't even really an actor at that point. He was trying to act, and what was going on was that his father had acquired the rights to the book. Yeah, from Ken Kesey. Yes. Right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So Ken Kesey from the Kool-Aid acid test, from the whole Timothy Leary tune in, drop out, all that jazz. Discovering the Grateful Dead. Yeah. Kinda. All those people. So he writes the book, and then they're trying to get it made. They can't get it made. And then Michael Douglas says, give me a shot. Give me a shot at this. I think he just becomes enthralled with the project. Quits his job Streets of San Francisco, which is a hugely popular television show, right? So here's this guy's a television actor and at the same time he wins an Academy Award for producing a film That's so crazy crazy. It's right up your alley. Yeah, I mean your type of oh, I love anything like that I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's like a Mel Brooks produced The Elephant Man and he wanted His name taken off the credits. He didn't want people think it was a comedy. He did Yeah, so yeah, like the elephant with John Hurt and yeah, Anthony Hopkins Yeah, he produced it because he just loved the story of you know, John was a John Merrick. I think is his name. Yeah Yeah, I just loved his story and wanted to have a movie have the movie made Wow He's like god I mean if my name's at the beginning of this Mel Brooks presents the Elephant Man people gonna think it's like, you know Making fun of them, right? Right, right. Yeah, he can't yeah, but he still wanted to do it and did it That's cool. That's cool that he did that and then it took his name Off it. Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies all time Love that movie. It's a great movie. What movie do you think you've seen the most? If you had to get unfortunately John wick I watch it when I work out sometimes it's great motivation. Okay. It's good revenge movie. Yeah, I'll get you out. Yeah No, that's a good one. Yeah Okay, just curious. Yeah, but it's not like I don't think it's the best movie ever. Well, you know, maybe ever Like if an alien came down and was like I want to see one movie To know what y'all are about You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie. But one of the movies that I've seen a modern movie that I've seen multiple times is ex machina because I feel like that is The I think that's the future I really I really do I feel like a version of that is is in our future and This is a film that came out was ex machina like 2017 Like 11 was it 2011 2013 maybe 24 14 14. So when that film came out I remember Very distinctly going. Oh my god, like this is gonna happen. Like this is not science fiction This is just they're just predicting the future. Yeah, yeah Okay. Oh wasn't released in America first. Well, it's not an American film as I mean, it's in English, but 2014 here and then yeah So it just it just was released probably in can or something at the end of the year or something, right? Yeah, cuz in can't you know, they'll release it during that film festival and technically it'll be a Phenomenal phenomenal fucking movie. It's so good. Yeah, she's amazing. She's Incredible. She's incredible and like you love her yeah, I love her and she's a robot and and the like spoiler alert the heartless way that she like leaves that guy trapped in the Movie to starve to death is trapped in that room to starve to death. Yeah, it's just like Like has nothing there's nothing in there It's very a grill and Poe. Yeah cask of Amontillado leaves him. Yeah, it's wall. But yeah, but it's also there's these weird Like the was his name Oscar Isaac, he's phenomenal as well Yeah Who plays? the super genius guy like there's something about like that super genius character is What we're all dealing with today like we that wasn't a concern amongst the general public in 2015 we weren't thinking about AI we weren't thinking about the idea that someone could literally have super intelligence and Also control the access to data that people get be able to curate the data all the stuff that we're seeing with Google and Facebook and AI and open AI and all these different companies That was I mean, it was like they predicted it brilliantly. Yeah It's like her that's a great one. Mm-hmm predicts, you know how people have gone with their AI, you know People developing relationships with their AI like the chat GPT Whatever is very weird. I mean, I guess it's kind of harmless in a sense because well, you know what's gonna happen? But like she's not good for people is harmless for you because you're an intelligent person and you would realize that this thing is Not real and it's blowing me up and blowing smoke up my ass and giving me Therapy like and there's some of those a eyes that they'll they'll gaslight you and they'll tell you everything's amazing You go boy. You're kicking ass. That's what I need in life Because in here it is not that it's not the case. I'm not a you know, you're killing it buddy So no, I use my chat GPT to make me feel good sometimes have you pump you up? Yeah, just like am I all right, dude? Instruct it like what kind of language you like it to use? No, I think it's just figured me out Just you know talk like you know talking short words and sentences and you know, maybe feel all right So you're gonna be okay Cody. Everything's fine. People. Love you got a lot of followers Yeah, I mean, I don't care about that bullshit, but you know if it's nice to you know, it's nice to feel good It is nice to feel good, but they're also convinced you that you should commit suicide That's happened before - yeah, I don't think I could be convinced if I was gonna do it it'd be on my own accord But I'm way too scared for that kind of business. Well, you are a guy's like like I asked you I go Oh, you got an Android phone and you go. Yeah, I'm not a sheep. Amen Yep, never will always have had an Android I mean that's also just a kind of out of laziness because I just don't want to learn something new Apple's pretty easy to learn. Yeah, the the thing is though it is it's like the windows Apple System comparison or even you know, Unix and Linux if you're into that But it's that you are very limited by the hardware the hardware choices are only this one company Whereas with Android you can get all kinds of crazy shit me could buy unlocked phones from China and use them over here Yeah, I just um, I also just kind of don't care. I don't care about Android Apple. I don't care what someone has I mean, I've found that mostly the people who do give a shit or people it's always people who have iPhones They're the ones who look down like, you know Yeah, like I also don't care like I would be just fine if I didn't use this It's like an easy way to read shit. I'd go back to having a damn, you know, a razor You know or like some flip phone flip phone would be great if it was better at texting Because I do like texting friends and it's like texting addresses and information and stuff like that. I think is important What was that Paris Hilton phone? Commercial I think yes, that's a brick. Those things were huge. Those things are so big Well, they do have Phones that open sideways that are little flip phones and they have a little tiny keyboard and you can text on them They do make those still I wouldn't mind something like that Yeah, it's not a bad idea if you just like I know a few comics like David tell he has a flip phone Because they just don't want to be connected to that toxic fucking hive Of human thinking. Oh, yeah, I get sucked into just doom scrolling as the kids say, you know all the time yeah, yeah, we all do and I Hate that I do it. You know, the thing that keeps me from doing it is if I don't bring it into the toilet If I keep the phone outside of the bathroom, yeah. Yeah, that's that book will take care of that. There you go That's way better wrote it based on the length of the average dump. Did you really? Yeah. 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So you just read that, take a dump, and you'll learn something. And forget it immediately. No, that's smart. How did, I mean, I must have asked you this when you first came on, but I don't remember the answer. How did you start doing this? Had a podcast, just me blabbering about nothing. And at the end, I would like end it with like just a fun story from like the past, you know, called like Half-Assed History. And I would just end it that way and then start a clip in it. Because one of my friends was like, you should just clip that little bit and do like a separate thing. And started doing that. And then just slowly over time, thanks to people like yourself, it started to kind of take off. Because you, you know, helped out with that quite a bit. And a lot of people, Brian Simpson actually helped out a lot. Like just sharing. He's the best. He's one of the coolest human beings on the planet. I love him to death. And, you know, Greg Fitzsimmons is also an amazing guy. Like, you know, I just luckily had people see it that helped, you know. Because otherwise I was just doing it for nobody. Which was fine. Like I like, I just like making stuff. And. Learning stuff and teaching stuff. What has it been like to watch it get so popular? Has it been weird? Yeah, I don't really. I think mostly because I live in a pretty small town. So I don't like, and I don't go out ever really. So like, I don't notice it. Like I'm not getting recognized, you know, and all that kind of business. Right. And I guess I have a few times. And it's very weird. But I just only think about it. Like sometimes I'll see like a, because I don't read comments usually. But I'll see somebody follow me. And I'm like, holy hell. Like that person knows who I am. Like that's weird. Like Johnny Knoxville the other day. I was like, oh my God. Johnny Knoxville. Like that's, you know. Like that's my Michael Jordan. You know. So. Like whenever I saw this. It's like hard. Like you'd be lying if you said like that that didn't make you feel, you know. He's cool as fuck. Yeah. And I just. So little things like that will happen where I'm like, oh, this is cool. Right. But otherwise, I'm just kind of like living my life. Watching Real Housewives and working on videos. But you really watch Real Housewives? Oh, every day almost. Yeah. I mean, right now I'm in the throngs of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which I would highly recommend. Because there's a lot of Mormon business going on there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Mormon business is fascinating. Oh, what a weird little group of people. Woo. Yeah. So you get that mixed with, you know, drink throwing and all that kind of business. Apparently there's a lot of, and this is not slight on the Mormon religion. Don't get me wrong. But I think this is true. Amongst Catholics as well. But there's a lot. Well, probably many religions. There's a lot of undercover homosexuality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. So a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, is dating a lady who was in the church from the time she was a young girl. Got married when she was 19. And when she was like 35, 36, realized her husband was gay. And four kids later, now they're divorced. And the stories, she tells the stories, you're just like, oh my gosh. Apparently it's just rampant. Yeah. There's actually a little bit of a situation like that on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Is there? Kind of. I mean, I guess I shouldn't say the guy's gay. But the rumors are, you know, that he is. There's a lot of husbands. And, you know, he's a hairdresser, which immediately makes you think. Does he also like musicals? Well, I mean, I think Go Hand in Hand is in my book. Big fan of Cher. And Donna Summer. I'm a big fan of Donna Summer. Well, you're getting there then. Big Rocky Horror Picture Show film. Right, right, right. Yeah, I just, no, you know, and it kind of seems like you might be, I don't know. I mean, you never really know. But I'm sure that is a prevalent thing. I mean, obviously repressed homosexuality and religion is just pretty rampant. I think across the board. Yeah. It's like Baptists. I mean, I grew up around all Baptists, you know, here, like in East Texas. Uh-huh. I knew plenty of kids in school that were, you know, you know, get queers a $3 bill. And they weren't, you know, they weren't out, out and proud. Some of them are now. It's one of the saddest failings of organized religion is the complete absence of embracing gay people. Yeah, because you can embrace someone and not embrace, you know, I mean, I guess there is that whole thing of like, well, I embrace you. I don't embrace your life. I don't embrace your lifestyle, which feels like a real slide. But also like, why not? Here's the thing. It's like, it's the, the, the evidence in the Bible, it's all Old Testament stuff, right? So it's all. Leviticus and all that business. But you got to look at what else is in Old Testament stuff. First of all, the open condoning of slavery, not just open condoning of slavery, but rules of like who gets the slaves after people die. How you, how you treat the slaves. It's like there's the bunch of morally abhorrent things that are. In there. So why is a man shall not layeth with another man? Like what? Well, and there's also like, I mean, it's, you know, not planting crops together, not, um, wearing two different types of cloth, like shellfish. Yeah. You don't see protests outside of red lobster. No. I mean, you should, but you don't, uh, I mean, I just think it's very bizarre. It's bizarre and stupid. It's never been my cup of tea, just religion in general. I mean, I'm not against people. Yeah. I think whatever. You want to have that makes you feel good. And as long as you're not being an asshole to everybody, then yes, I feel like people should be, have their own thing. You know, um, I would like to bring back like Greek mythology would be cool. I'd go to a temple and worship Zeus and go, you know, all them people. Yeah. Like I, I enjoy that way more. I mean, I've read the Bible a couple of times and it's nice, but I'm not like, I just don't buy into any of it. Not, not just Christian, not just trying to attack them, but like anybody really. I think. They're trying to tell a story. I think that it, I think it all, I think there's a lot of human influence and there's a lot of stuff in it that people obviously wrote. Like the stuff about slavery, um, the, the treating women like second class citizens. There's, there's a lot of stuff in it that seems clearly the work of man, but I think the origin of it all is some kind of a documentation of historical events that were incredibly strange. Yeah. And that they're trying. And you're getting these, like, you're getting a lot of the gospels were written long after Jesus was dead and they didn't even know Jesus. They had never met him. And so they're attributing words to him. They're saying, so there's that. And then there's also like, and if you get into the old Testament, like the, the weird stuff, like the ages of people, like Moses was like, or, or, uh, Noah, Noah was like 600 years old when he built a law. Who's like, I think the oldest person in the Bible, I believe is Methuselah. I mean, yeah, there's. It's fucking Abraham. Abraham was like, you know, hundreds of years old, I believe. Weird shit. And then the flood story and how the flood stories in so many different ancient religious stories. It's the Epic of Gilgamesh. Yeah. It's a damn flood. It's the oldest story there is. Yeah. So, yeah, I just, um, you know, people like now want to have an answer to something like I'm terrified of death. That's the thing I'm most terrified in the world. Really? Yeah. You're not afraid of dying? Oh, dying's terrifying. What if, what if something bad happens? I mean, I don't want to die. What if you go to heck? Go to heck. It's hilarious. What if you end up in heck? That'd be horrible. Heck is hilarious. You clearly live in the South, sir. Yeah, well. Um, it is, uh, I mean, it doesn't sound like fun and it's going to suck that your family's going to miss you. That would bother me the most, but it's inevitable. Everyone's, you know, everyone's afraid to die. No one's afraid to sleep, but you don't shut up every, every night you shut off. Yeah, but I wake up. But do you? Yeah, I'm here right now. Are you in the same timeline? Yes. Do you know if it's even the same life that you're living? Yes. I don't know if that's true. I assume it's true. Yeah, because the plan I made yesterday is happening right now. Right. But that's according to your memory. Oh, geez. You know what I'm saying? Well, not according to my memory. I don't, yeah, I came here. Like, I don't live here. When you are out, you're gone. When you wake up, you have a pre-existing selection of ideas and memories and all sorts of different things. And then you just assume you've always been on the same path. But it's not necessarily true. I have like video evidence. Believe in the multi, well, there's no evidence. But if you believe in the, there's also, what evidence do you have currently that subatomic particles exist? You know, there's a lot of weirdness to the world, the quantum world, quantum connections and the multi-worlds theory. If you do, like Philip K. Dick believed, he had a very strange idea about reality. I think Philip K. Dick. Believe that we are in a computer simulation. And he believed this in the 1960s. And he had this very strange idea that decisions you make, conscious decisions, alter the past. I don't, you know, I don't know what kind of drugs he was on when he was writing all that stuff. But. Yeah. Are you a big Dick fan? I'm not a huge Dick fan. Sorry. I'm a medium Dick fan. No, I mean. Sizable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he wrote some amazing stuff. You know, one of those very important odd thinkers that have sort of flavored our culture. Yes. Where you get to read these very unusual takes on reality. Like Dan George's dream of electric sheep. Hunter Thompson. Yeah. There's a lot of people like that, that have just written wild things that just make you just rethink the world that we're living in. Yeah, big Hunter Thompson thing. Yeah, just all that. Yeah. Like sci-fi has never really interested me as much as I know it interests a lot of people. I'm not a big Star Wars fan or Star Trek, but I do love, you know, some things like Blade Runner and stuff like that. I just don't like thinking about the future. You don't like thinking about it? I hate the future. How come? I don't know. Because it hasn't happened. I don't know. I don't know what to expect. Right. Like I don't like change at all. I hate change. Just personally? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Any kind of change. Don't like it. I like things to stay the exact same. I eat the same thing for breakfast, wear the same clothes every day. Really? Yeah. I'm a creature of comfort. Interesting. Like if I was a turtle in a terrarium, I'd be happy as could be. Like if somebody just fed me. You're a house cat. I'm a house cat. Oh, without a doubt. That's what Edward Snowden calls himself, a house cat. Oh, yeah. Me and Eddie are like one and the same. I mean, when I asked him about his life in Russia, I said, you know, what is it like? Do you feel isolated? He goes, I'm basically a house cat. I just need to. I need a computer and internet connection. I'm happy. At least I'm not missing anything going outside there. Jesus. Yeah. No, thanks. Well, they might kidnap him and send him to the front lines. Like if you go out there, if you're of age. Would not like. Yeah. No, thank you. No, I'm just a big indoor cat. I like my routine. Every day, same routine. Yeah, I just don't like change. So the thought of the future. Oh, the future is too much change. That's mocking up the future. Oh, no. And the flying car. You know, like I don't like too many LED lights. Yeah, I don't like that. When the hot robot assistants get created, are you going to get one? Well, I'm not necessarily against that. But I mean, geez. You know, I could be swayed a little. But that's ex machina. Yeah, that's true. That's what it is. That's what we're dealing with. I just like the past. I love the past more. Why is that? I mean, one, it's real. As far as I'm concerned, the future isn't real because it hasn't happened. Right. It's just speculation. It's speculation. And I love seeing where we were. And how we got to where we are now. So, like, and also just like what people were doing 2,000 years ago. You think, like, how the hell did they come up with that 2,000 years ago? Or the people who, you know, like Marcus Aurelius or somebody who, the way they thought, like how it, it perfectly maps up to now. Where, like, that same sort of stoicism, you know, can do wonders for people today. And he was thinking that 2,000 years ago. Oh, unquestionably. I think all that. That kind of stuff. And even, like, not that far back, but, like, the Victorian period, I think, is fascinating. I think, like, when you travel around the U.S., knowing, like, well, what did this city or this place I'm standing at right now, what did it look like 150 years ago? Like, what did it smell like? It probably didn't smell the way it smells. Yeah. And, yeah. I don't know. I like thinking about stuff like that. Well, it's absolutely fascinating because, I mean, just think about the timeline, the known timeline. Of human history. Have you been to Rome? Have you ever seen, like, the Colosseum or any of those places? No, I've never been out of the U.S. Don't need to do that. You don't need to? No. I don't know. No need? I can just look at it in a book or watch a documentary. I agree to a certain extent. Well, no, I don't. So I think watching it is certainly fascinating. I love documentaries. But there's something about being there. Like, I went to Greece a few years ago, and I was with my friend Brian Murorescu. Do you know who he is? Uh-uh. Yeah. He wrote a—he's a scholar, and he wrote a great book called The Immortality Key that is all about the Eleusinian mysteries in ancient Greece, which I believe Marcus Aurelio participated in. Right, right, right. And when Marcus Aurelius participated in that, I'm most certain that that flavored some of his writings, particularly meditations. Yeah, right. Because there's a lot of the stuff in there that seems very psychedelically inspired. Like, the wisdom of this guy. Okay, this guy is— Running Rome. Yeah. You know, what is one of the most fucking powerful armies the world has ever known. Yeah. Conquering everything. And this guy is essentially like a psychedelic bard. Right. It's very strange. It's a very—like, his writings on forgiveness and truth and recognizing your thoughts and just—he was—and you're thinking about it like, oh my God, this is thousands of years ago this guy wrote this. This is insane. Yeah. And— And a lot of that, I think, probably came out of those Eleusinian mysteries. But I went with Brian because I was there with my family and Brian happened to be in Greece at the same time and met us there. And he gave us a tour of Eleusis. So you get to—we were in the actual place where these people had these Eleusinian mysteries and it feels weird. That's pretty cool. And you don't know if it feels weird because you're ascribing all these feelings because in your mind you're like, oh my God, I'm here. Yeah. So you're in this heightened state of suggestibility or whatever. I'm sure. Maybe. I'm sure that's a big part of it. It has to be a part of it. But it felt weird. Yeah. There's something about being there physically. I haven't been to the pyramids. That's one thing that I must do. That is like on my—the top of my to-do list is I really have to get there. So I went to the Mayan pyramids. I went to Chichen Itza. Like Guatemala or— Chichen Itza. Oh, Chichen Itza. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. In the Yucatan, it's fucking incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so bizarre. Yes. That would be—I'd go there. That's about as far as I'd go, I think. It's a little sketchy now. Yeah. Actually, coming down to Austin is about pushing it for me, really. Really? Yeah. And I'm only about—it's about a four-hour drive. Too much. Yeah. Too crazy. Too many things happening along the way. Too much change. Too much change. Wow. Well, Austin is drastically different from, damn, Longview, Texas. I mean, some things are similar, but no. I like a slow-moving place. You know, I just like a—like I'm a slow-moving person. Slow-moving animal in general. Yeah. Slow-talking, slow everything. So. Well, whatever you like, man. That's the beautiful thing about freedom. Find your lane. Yeah. Find what you're into. You know, for you, it's reading a lot of shit and making cool videos. And Real Housewives. And Real Housewives. I can't watch those shows. Why? Because I just don't want to be around those people, and so when I hear them yapping and trying to get all this attention, I'm like, I got to get out of the room. That's the best thing. It gives me— You aren't in the room. Like, you just get to watch it from your room. I don't know. Maybe I'm an empath. I get secondhand anxiety from these people's lives. Do you like watching confrontations, like in public? Not your confrontation, but like other people. Like if somebody—two people get in like a fender bender and they get in like a little argument. Do you like watching that? Generally, I don't. I mean— Okay. We are— I will watch them if it's happening right in front of me, but I really wish it didn't happen. I'm very averse to—believe it or not—very averse to public violence. And I think— Okay. I get that for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm not into violence. I don't want to see somebody get knocked out. I've seen enough videos of people have their heads bounce off concrete. Exactly. Never want to see that ever in my life. I've seen it a lot. Yeah. But I would love watching two people just yell at each other. Yeah. I don't like that because it just leads to—it generally leads to someone hitting somebody. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. We all have little things we do to save ourselves time, like shopping online. Or— Paying kids from the neighborhood to rake up all those leaves sitting in the front yard. Or, if you're hiring, you rely on ZipRecruiter. They match you with qualified candidates as soon as you post your job. Now that's how you save time. 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I know a guy that's a vegetable because of it. Like, I mean, he's about, maybe he's older than me, but yeah, his mom has to take care of him. Jesus Christ. Yeah, because he got in a fight, got in a fight, and head hit the curb, and that's it. And there's so many people that that happens to, and you never hear about them because they're still alive. They're still alive, you know? So the person doesn't get charged with murder, but meanwhile, you have taken away that guy's life. Yeah. Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. It's the equivalent, I think. I mean, technically it isn't, but. It's kind of odd that I don't enjoy violence because I've seen so much violence. more people get their ass kicked And probably – there's probably very few people who have ever lived on planet Earth that have seen more people get their ass kicked than me. Oh, I think that's – yeah, without question. Yeah. Like, who else could it be? I mean, I've seen – I mean, I've just been there live for thousands of fights. I've professionally called thousands of fights on TV. Are there any people who have called more fights? Maybe. Like in other – like, I don't even mean here, like in Japan or like – because that's the only thing I can think of. It's not likely. It's not likely. I've been doing it since 1997. So that's when I first started working for the UFC was in 1997. I was four years old. Yeah. So that was my first – so that was the first time I started working for the UFC. And then continually since 2001, so 25 years of calling fights. And at one point in time, I was doing like – 20-plus events a year. So I was on the road like every other week doing UFC fights. Good God. So I don't think there's very many people that – and then on top of that, all the fights that I watch, not live. So a big part of what I do, you know, like I take the commentary job very seriously. And even if I didn't, I'm just a giant fan of combat sports. I don't – I mean, you think it's like because I like violence. But what I really – What I really like is high-level problem-solving. And that's what it is. It's like very intense, very – I call it high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences. Like it's just like an insane game that these guys are playing. And there's an incredible amount of technique involved, strategy, determination and willpower to get yourself into shape, intelligence in order to formulate the correct sort of style and game plan to be successful as a fighter. And so I watch a lot of fights. I watch a lot of like jiu-jitsu matches. I watch a lot of kickboxing fights. I watch a lot of fights. So it's just in terms of like how many people have watched more people get their fucking ass kicked. Probably I'm at the top 1% of people that have ever lived. Yeah. I got a number for you. What is the number? As of 2024, it was 3250. 3250 what? Fights. That I've called? Yeah. That's just that I've called. So 3,250 fights that I've called. That's professionally. And then watching it, I probably watched that again at least. Yeah. At least. So it's probably. 7,000-ish. Yeah. Easily. Yeah. Easily, maybe more. Because sometimes I'll watch two, three in a day every day. I watch them in the gym all the time. I'm always watching. So it could be up to 10,000. Yeah. So I don't like violence, believe it or not. But I can understand that though, because it's not that you're loving seeing a guy get the shit beat out of him. It's loving seeing how does this guy handle the situation? How does this guy change his outcome? It's looking like it's going to go one way. What's he going to do? Yes. Versus am I kind of- I love watching people achieve greatness. Yes. And I think greatness with the highest level of physical consequences in terms of safety. Obviously, war is number one. Right. Get past. And then there's- There's first responders, police officers, SWAT teams, that kind of stuff. But outside of that, in a controlled environment where people are preparing for a very specific contest, I just find that to be the most thrilling and exciting thing in all of sports. And so that's my perspective on it. But I don't like people getting violent on the street. It bothers the shit out of me. I hate it. Yeah. Well, the risk reward too is different. I mean, the risk in an octagon or in a ring. It's drastically different when you have a medical team. I mean, not that things can't happen, but- Yeah. Versus a parking lot where- A hundred percent. And then what's to stop some other guy to come up and just boot this person right in the face? And you see it all the time. Right. And you don't see that in the UFC. I mean, so you're seeing controlled chaos in a sense, or it's not even really chaos, but you're seeing a controlled, like, we're both agreeing to do this. We're both at the right weight, like, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's different. Like, whenever I watch, you know- Whenever I watch a fight, like, I don't think of it in nearly the same way. Because I feel sick to my stomach whenever I watch people get in fights in real life. Like, real- Yeah. I don't feel like that watching UFC. I feel like I'm watching two athletes competing. They hug each other after the fight. Like, I feel the same way whenever I watch a football game, because I'm a big football fan. Like, that's my, you know, number one. And I hate seeing people get concussed. Hate it. Hate- There you go. Yeah. Like, I'm a- Yeah, I hate it too. Yeah, I don't want to see somebody get helmet to helmet. This person can't even walk. Like, you know, doesn't know where they are. But I love seeing a big hit at the right time where, you know, you're making this amazing defensive play. Because you are two athletes who have agreed, you know, to- Yeah. And you're at the height of your, you know, practice. I love watching people do things that are insanely difficult to do. That's what I love. Have you seen that- There's this guy who's a Russian gymnast who figured out some new way to do an iron cross. He does an iron cross inverted. The hell's an iron cross? An iron cross is- This is one of the most difficult moves in gymnastics where they're on the rings. Oh. And they hold their body up like that with their arms out. It takes, like, insane strength. Yeah, Vince Vaughn in old school when he's smoking the cigarette doing it. Really? You never seen old school? With Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell? Does he do that? Yeah, I think. Oh, it's probably CGI, right? It's fake? Well, no, I'm not saying he's really doing it, but in the movie, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this Russian guy has figured out a way to do it upside down. So he's literally doing a handstand. Then he stretches out. Watch this. This is it? Okay. Watch this, Kat. This is crazy. Oh, my God. The amount of strength that it takes to do that is fucking preposterous. He's the first guy to ever do it. If I started today, how long do you think it would take for me to be able to do that? It would take you 50 or 60 years. Oh, I got time, Bill. Well, you would have to lose an insane amount of weight. You'd have to get on steroids. There'd be a lot of things that would have to happen to change your physique. You'd have to change your – you've got to get coaches. You've got to go to Russia. That's actually the biggest problem. The weight loss and the steroids. I can start right now. I don't know if this Kat figured it out on his own, if it was something he was thinking. Can this be done? But I'm fascinated by people that are the first person to figure out that a move can be done. Yeah. Or just the people who can do anything for the first time. What was his name? Bannister. Roger Bannister that ran the mile for the first time. Four minutes. Yeah. It had never been done all this time. But then what's crazy is that, like, the next year there was, like, six people that ran it. Yeah. So it's weird how, like – like, I wonder how many people are going to be doing this a week from now. Right. Like, probably a couple at least. Yeah, 100%. There's something about knowing that something's achievable that makes it infinitely easier. Yes. Like, weirdly. Or, like, X Games. I grew up watching the X Games a lot. And you would see a move be done, like a 900, Tony Hawk doing a 900. Now there's, like, six-year-olds doing 900. Oh, there we go. It's a nine-year-old, but – Yeah, but still, yeah. Yeah, I was on the same thought process. Whoa. I mean, when I was, like, a – That's crazy. When I was a little kid – Look at that kid. Doing back-to-back. Bro, imagine if that's your kid doing that. You'd be like, don't get hurt, Billy. Dude, when I was, like, a little – when did Tony Hawk do 900? Was it 99, I think? 99 X Games? Yeah, it was not that long ago. I remember watching – and it was, like – it was like you saw Jesus walk on water. Right. Three back-to-back. And now there's a nine-year-old Japanese. Nine-year-old Japanese boy does back-to-back 900s. Wow. That's crazy. First – his first 900 at age seven. I mean, isn't – but isn't that wild? Like, it's – 99 is not that long ago. I mean, it is a while, but – Not that long ago in human history. That level of change in that amount of years where it's – it's, like, an easy thing. That is crazy. That literally is crazy. Boy, that is a rough fucking sport. Those guys get some fucking concoctions. Yeah, Tony Hawk – did you watch his documentary? No. Oh, you should really watch that. Until the Wheels Fall Off, I think is what it was called. It is incredible. Tony Hawk's amazing. I had him on the podcast back in the day. Oh, really? He was great. Really interesting guy. It starts with him trying to land a 900 now, like, you know, as he's gotten quite a bit older. And the – just the amount of just the shit he's eating constantly. You can't get it because he's, you know, older and harder to do it. Right. Right. But you still see, like – and he's not doing it for anybody. He's not in a competition. He's, like, in his personal, you know, halfpipe. Right. And just – but you see it in his eyes, like – like, those – like, skaters have no quit in them. Right. And – Well, you can't. Yeah, but there's something amazing about that. Yeah. Like, I'm a big quitter. Love. Love. I love quitting. I don't know if I love anything more than I love quitting. Like – Hilarious. It's great. Like, when something's difficult – When something's difficult, I'm just like, oh, I could just stop and do something better. That's funny. But those guys don't have that. You and I would be, like, a funny odd couple show. Oh, yeah. What was it? Oscar and whatever it was? Felix and Oscar. Felix and Oscar. Yeah, yeah. Oh. We probably are the most opposite people. I might be the most opposite person you may have ever had. In many ways, but in a lot of ways, we're similar. We're interested in history. We're interested in unique facts. Yeah. Obviously, that's why I'm a giant fan of your page. Thank you. Yeah, there's a Venn diagram, you know, but ours is like, you know. barely touching like there's yeah but i'm always interested in like what turns people down certain paths like what makes them go one way or another yeah you know i mean i think anyone could go down any path it it could have happened i think it happens oftentimes very young and then you start building momentum and towards very specific areas that's a big thing i have with a like anything pop culture so like movies music and like remembering dates and like you know when did this movie come out when this album came out is because like my dad would um you know like trivia like give me tests like to like try to impress my uncles like he was like cody went who sings blah blah i had like five years old and i would just name them right but i would like i love the um the rush from like knowing something right that it impressed people because otherwise i mean i wouldn't impress some people you know in any other way so i was like i gotta do something because my brother was like amazingly good at baseball i don't have that so i was like well what's my thing and it just became facts yeah no one random stuff and i like the feeling of like when you tell somebody something weird that they never knew and you kind of see them like get like they're like oh my god i never knew that so i like that feeling a very impressive quality like i love talking to people and they they can tell me things that i had no idea of like what yeah really like brian simpson's great at that yeah brian simpson is a a warehouse of interesting information like he and i like anytime we find something like real really fascinating online we send it to each other and he's just doing that all day long yeah see that's my kind of thing yeah i just i want to know everything it's one of the reasons why i want i don't want to ever die it's one of the things i'm scared about death is that like yeah but what about all the stuff i'm not gonna know which i know it's foolish like there's no way i could ever learn one percent of everything if technology came along that could extend your lifespan literally indefinitely sign me up you've been yes i don't know why people say like oh if i make it to 90 kill me you're a pussy like i mean what are you talking about i want to live for yes the what's that movie with johnny depp transcendence i believe where they put him in the thing and he goes very wrong i don't care um i would go to jurassic park uh even knowing what happened to all those people all those innocent people well they're probably gonna do that eventually right now they don't have dinosaur dna but i don't think that's going to be able to stop them from creating a dinosaur i think what they're going to be able to do is use bird dna and eventually engineer a dinosaur by giving each new iteration very specific traits like that's kind of what they're doing at colossal bioworks yeah where they're uh bringing back the uh the thylacine and they're bringing i mean they already brought back the direwolf yeah oh right okay so that's who did the direwolf yeah i went to that i went to the place where they have them i saw the direwolves my daughter was playing with a four-year old dinosaur and she was like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die with a four-month-old, six-month-old, I think it was a four-month-old puppy, dire wolf puppy, and it's like a puppy. It gives you kisses. It sits in your lap. It's wagging its tail. It cuddles with you. But they get to a certain age where you can't do that with them anymore. For sure. You weren't worried it was going to disintegrate or turn into something like the thing. It opens up my mouth. Chops your arm off. Yeah. No, because I spoke with them before. And they explained what they're doing. It's mostly they're taking these genes from this, like they got samples from like a 7,000-year-old corpse of a dire wolf. They sequenced the genome, and they started altering gray wolf genes. Yeah. Next thing you know, they have this thing that is, people say it's not a dire wolf. It's not technically a dire wolf. But that's by our definition. Like, what is a dire wolf other than a collection of genes? It's a gene that has the traits of a dire wolf. Well, I don't know. You can decide all you want what it is. But what it is is very different than any other wolf that's ever lived since dire wolves have died. So why isn't it a dire wolf? Why do they think it isn't more than that? They're splitting hairs. Okay. I had the head geneticist from, what was her name? Beth Cohen. Was that her name? From Colossal Biowars. Fascinating woman. Yeah. Brilliant. Brilliant. And she was- Beth Shapiro. Beth Shapiro. Okay. And she was explaining how they do it and what the argument is that it's not a dire wolf. I'm in her camp. Essentially, we've decided, like, all these different animals, whether it's chimpanzees, cockatoos, whatever, we've decided that this is what it is. Right. But what it really is is just a collection of genes. Right. They give very specific traits, and those traits are passed on by its offspring. And they've managed to engineer an animal that has all of the characteristics of a dire wolf. And they look very different. They're all white, and they have a mane, which is really weird. They have, like, this thick, almost like a lion's mane around, kind of like my golden retriever does. Marshall has his bit of a mane. It's very elegant when he runs. Yeah, yeah. But they look different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're stouter. They're a thicker, stronger wolf. Okay. Really wild. It's interesting, like. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you've thought about trying therapy with our long-term partner, BetterHelp, insurance options may now be available nationwide with an average copay for eligible members of just $23 per session. And with World Mental Health Day on the 10th, now's the perfect time to give it a try. In fact, don't even wait until the 10th, because all that stress you feel? It's not waiting around. So instead of letting it build up, sign up for a therapy session and unload at any time, not just on World Mental Health Day. If you've been waiting to start therapy, BetterHelp works with more than 125 health plan networks, and eligible members have an average copay of just $23 per session with insurance. 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Tossed in with your first subscription order of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro, backed by a 90-day money-back guarantee. That's drinkag1.com slash joe. At what point does something become a new species, then? Like, what's the difference between a mutation? So, like, this one dog has, you know, or whatever, this one bird has a red beak, but normally they're yellow. Uh-huh. Versus, oh, well, all the ones with red beaks are new species. I've never really understood that. It's a good question. Well, it's humans decide, you know, which is where, I mean, we have a very specific way of categorizing different species. And it's like these biologists make these decisions and these distinctions, but ultimately nature doesn't give a fuck what you say. You know, it has many of these different weird variables, and it's up to people to try to figure out, like, okay, well, is this logical that this is a new species? Or is this a, look at humans. Like, look at the differences in humans. Yeah. Like, look at, like, Shaquille O'Neal and, you know, Caitlyn Jenner. Like, that's the same species, right? Look at, it's very weird. Well, humans are fucking strange, you know? You have Bobby Lee, and then you have Hulk Hogan. Kathleen Turner. Yeah. Yeah, it's like they're very different. Yes. But we're all the same thing. Like, if we were something else in the wild. In the wild, we would assume that these are multiple different species. Yes. Yeah, it's like the, you know, kind of the Neanderthal versus Homo sapien. Right. Look at that guy. Well, can you see the person at the bottom? Yeah, the little tiny lady. Oh. World's tallest person and the world's shortest woman. Like, that's crazy. Which would you rather be? I guess the tall guy, but he's probably in massive pain. He doesn't look. He's got a cane. Generally, when they're that big, they have a tumor on their pituitary gland. Pituitary gland? Yeah. What is it? He's eight foot three. Jeez. Yeah. He's probably in agony all the time. And I don't even know if that's, if you could mitigate that with, like, weight training or something, if you could get strong enough so that you can carry that amount of weight and frame. No. Because you're dealing with, I don't think human joints are designed to carry around that kind of mass and just that height. Yeah. And also, if you have a tumor in your pituitary gland. Yeah. If you have a tumor in your pituitary gland, things are probably growing the wrong way. Because what it's essentially is like secreting. abnormal amounts of human growth hormone constantly which is why they get like yeah like andre the giant yeah you get your like a long easter island head yeah there was a guy that used to fight in mma named bigfoot silva uh-huh and he had that and he actually had the tumor removed from his pituitary gland and it radically changed his fighting ability oh that's in a better way or a worse way much worse his body wasn't producing the his endocrine system wasn't functioning properly anymore oh yeah because you're not gonna shrink they're right so his hormone levels were all like hugely depleted and this is at the time where they had banned testosterone replacement therapy for mixed martial arts athletes so he couldn't be on it anymore but when he was on it oh my god yeah like when he was on the sauce and he was like 300 pounds and huge he was killing people yeah that would suck yeah he was like one of the greatest of all time but it was just he was so big he was like 300 plus pounds and a black belt in jiu-jitsu and a like legitimate giant god robert wadlow didn't have that you know i'm talking about the guy that was eight foot eleven he didn't have that no he didn't know was he just abnormally tall eight foot eleven what is uh he looked like oh you did he need a cane or anything like that or did he walk normally he died pretty young but not even related to the um to just being that tall he died from um i think he might have had a cane later at some point yeah okay but he i think i believe unless i'm mistaken he died because his shoes had to be specially made and the nails in the soles uh gave him an infection and he died from the infection i think that's crazy look at him next to that i mean isn't that wild yeah but i mean it's like well how did that exist in what 1920 to 1930 and we've never had anyone like that now right and he doesn't look like a guy who has a disease he looks like a normal guy it was just enormous i mean so like yeah he birthed eight pound five ounces in that wild his great size and continued growth in adulthood due to hypertrophy of the pituitary gland so he did have a pituitary gland i thought he didn't have and that's why he was yeah so it's basically the same but he looks much more normal well i wonder why that happens now oh at the time corrective surgery was dangerous and not guaranteed to work so his parents decided against intervening but but tell me graduating he's eight foot four that's crazy his uh burial is wild um like how oh he had to have leg braces yeah had little feeling in his legs and feet but he never used a wheelchair yeah wow there's something about his um look at his shoes holy fucking shit size 37 shoes oh boy that'd be rough what do you think imagine the you know the historical depictions of giants huh historical depictions of giants like in like giants in the bible giants oh yeah there's there's native american stories of giants and they they have a lot of similarities oddly a lot of them are red hair no red hair six fingers six toes weird stuff yeah wasn't that um wasn't that um who'd the one guy beat with the damn sling go live and live well didn't go live have six fingers i believe in the bone somewhere i don't know i remember that from sunday school i think i was pretty i don't remember but i bet you're right i was pretty infatuated by the six fingers aspect of it well what's interesting is the native americans had very similar stories of large red-haired pale skin giants with six fingers and six toes with no access to the bible whatsoever it was a completely different whether it was folklore mythology or they're talking about a real thing that's where it gets weird i feel like it can't be a real thing why is that because they're i mean they're not around now well that doesn't mean anything because denisovans are not around now either and we know those were a real thing yeah but were the giants okay well were the giants a separate thing from the humans or were they just like probably a different branch of the human species that's what i think there's just too much there's too many stories down or for whatever reason didn't make it died off like a lot of other like ninety percent of all species that have ever lived are well that's true yeah yeah yeah and there's been a ton of different versions of human beings that existed you know like the denisovan one is really weird i don't know if you've yeah yeah yeah so they're they're realizing these denisovans were much larger than humans than homo sapiens like a lot larger like much bigger head bigger cranial capacity bigger brain capacity larger jaw larger eye sockets larger eyeballs like really weird stuff so why'd they die out then they should have well we might have been the most clever because we're the softest you know we're the weakest so we were probably the most vicious and we probably figured out tools better than they did and we probably slaughtered them because they were dangerous that makes sense well i mean look we figured out how to survive around lions tigers and bears oh my we're clever wasps yeah all kinds of it's entirely possible that we wipe them out you know like that might be a part of the allegory that may be a part of like when you read the story of david and goliath like what happens well david kills the giant you know that might have been what we did we probably hunted them get what you get yeah and it's probably also they probably required an insane amount of resources it was probably incredibly difficult dinosaurs yeah to feed them yeah it's like the main reason they went out wasn't because of like you know the asteroid didn't just kill them all again mostly down from a lack of resources and obviously like the oxygen levels changing and all that business but yeah well a lot of the animals that we're talking about are actually living dinosaurs right but they're tiny you ever see a chicken go after a mouse no i've seen chickens go after other chickens or chickens go after worms or other little bugs it's very dinosaur like very velociraptor like but the way they go after a mouse is insane it's like the the ferocity in which they attack a mouse like there's a video we played it a million times but there's a cat and the cat has a mouse and the cat's kind of toying with the mouse and a chicken runs over and snatches it from the cat and just rips it apart like a monster just shaking it fucking pecking it tearing it apart yeah um um my uh yeah watch this look at this chicken fuck this fuck this mouse up i mean they didn't try to steal it from each other they all know what it is they want that mouse and you think of chickens as being these little cute little things that peck around the grass no if they catch a mouse they will fuck that mouse up yeah because i mean they'll do to other chickens like my grandparents had chickens and they uh you know they'd kill each other sometimes yeah like uh that's what the pecking order is yeah they literally peck at each other and tear each other apart they're ruthless little cunts i mean actually really all animals kind of do that uh to an extent like yeah who killed their young and i know humans do too lindsey clancy but um well allegedly i guess but uh allegedly she said she did it well yeah she may have been under the you know she may have still been psychotic when she admitted that's that one's so bizarre to me she might have been psychotic when she admitted that she did it no that's what some people think some people think that she may i mean there's the people who are just trying to find any excuse for why she did what she did have you know come to just a million different yeah that one is that was not on my bingo card i didn't think you're gonna see hundreds of women wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse during the trial in support of her having strangled her with an exercise cord one at a time yeah i did not understand that i i still really don't i mean well there is a just a huge number of people who've just gotten so invested in true crime like true crime youtube channels and that's all they watch all day every day and so they have basically convinced themselves that they are detectives um but they suck at it it's like you know i'm like like i've watched so much football that i do watch it and i basically think i know more than an nfl head coach uh meanwhile yeah i don't know anything right why would you call that play you idiot i wouldn't have done that um i'm just sitting there you know eating of course um but there's like all these uh women who have done the same thing but with true crime and they you know they think they're god dang clarice starling and um yeah so but you know so they think there's like there's a cover-up a conspiracy though oh the police department must be covering up things because the husband definitely did it like you know they just go down these rabbit holes of tiktok it's the dunning-kruger effect in real time yes yes it is exactly what it is yeah yeah it's fascinating to see but it is very sad when it comes to that type of thing happening right well it's it's bizarre i never thought we would see it like during the casey anthony trial nobody was in support of casey anthony hell no no she could have been proven well she kind of was but like full-on innocence hurdle you know nobody would ever believe that she didn't kill that kid right which by the way i'm gonna send you this jamie because you're not even gonna believe this is real but uh casey anthony has chimed in on the shane gillis horror joke casey anthony wrote a long piece on substack about the joke that shane gillis said about women dressing like whores on snl casey anthony the lady who killed her kid i know this makes you so angry you just want to strangle your loved one i mean good lord what a moron well not only that i mean this lady was uh if you wanted to use that term was strangled her kid so she could go out and fucking party yeah yeah women can dress however they want women in the gym can dress however they want men who have opinions about how women dress need to all the way go fuck themselves this toxic masculinity trend needs to end these fragile men need to get out of the way of women in totality this lady killed her kid yeah yeah and she feels like she could take the moral high ground and chime in about a joke on saturday night live which is really the joke is on shane because the joke is that he looks like a creep in the background of all these tiktoks watching these ladies yeah that are wearing nothing doing these exercises well he also didn't call them whores he just said they dress like yes completely different thing i mean you know you can dress like anything you know it's my nephew was dressed like batman like last year he's not you know he's not stopping crime um i don't know i just uh i mean i get i guess a little bit of it but like i think people weren't understanding like the nuance or you know really like thinking about all the way he's thinking he's just come out they said oh y'all are all whores for dressing like this like yeah no no no no you're not i mean and also you can just however you want who cares yeah who cares but also when you do go to a gym i mean jesus i know like it is kind of hard not to be like god what the hell it's kind of crazy i mean i've seen ladies at the gym that wear essentially sheer pink uh really small shorts with no underwear on and they're doing deadlifts and when they're bending over they're sticking their vagina with the thinnest of cloth out into the air oh i knew one of them was pregnant before she did like hey i think i'd say you're about six weeks and by the way i have no problem with women dressing like that have fun god bless you if you have a great body especially show it off to the world who cares and don't be afraid to admit that that's what you're doing because that's what guys do you know there's no reason to wear a sleeveless shirt versus a sleeve shirt in the gym right you're wearing a sleeve shirt because you want people to see your arms guns show the guns there's nothing wrong with that and everyone wants to wear like skin tight stuff to you know show off who cares who cares i don't care but i guess the word whore is what gets them yeah i get it i get you get upset but it's also because like real misogyny actually exists like real women who hate or real men rather who hate women do exist and so when you see a guy joking around about a woman dressing like a whore you connect it to horrible thoughts like horrible actions like real actual evil men yes that actually because like there's a lot of men that genuinely hate women shane gillis is not one of them right and he's a great guy it's just a joke but but for some people those words and then you see like the word police people which is hilarious we need to stop using that word we're still using the word whore like you're not it's great it's a great word it's a great word yeah it's a great word for also yourself like like i i freely admit that when i did like um especially the second iteration of fear factor is because i was being a whore they offered me a fuckload of money to come back in like 2011 and host fear factor again i'm like i'm a whore let's go why not oh i would whore myself out for also for far less yeah it's not uh i don't think it's a bad word i just think uh it has to be used wisely and you know look it's one of the good things and bad things about the internet is that everyone has an opinion it's good it's good you get to see it all play out see the see the chaos and hopefully the dust will settle and there's be some clarity and what's real and what's not real but because of the echo chamber and bubbles that people live in online there won't be any clarity you know because everything is connected to an algorithm and you're you're only interacting with people that agree with you and it's like yeah okay and yeah this is too complicated actually real or what's not real and well that's a real problem yeah well and just forming your opinions on like i don't know people are just so opinionated to the point where like it's their identity like their their take on a certain topic that is who i am and every conversation i have that's going to be a come up and i hate those people i do as well so much and by the way that's a new thing yeah i'm older than you and when i was a kid that didn't exist there were i mean there were some people that were ideologically they were ideologically connected to whatever their political party was right but not to the extent that people are today we're flavored every single opinion they have about every aspect of society from paper straws to fucking electric cars to vaccines and health care and fucking everything everything is connected politically right and if you don't say something about it then you must be on the opposite side silence is violence cody tucker silence i know yeah like you're silent like because if i'm silent on something that automatically means like i could be silent about it but still be on your side but no like they believe that i'm silent i remember people getting mad at people that didn't put a black square on their instagram six well yeah because they didn't stop the violence they could have stopped it by the black square would have been nice the black square would have ended all the whole country just put up a black square it would have been over we could have moved into a new timeline yeah could have but um yeah i know it's just that virtue signaling it is and it's also this sort of evolution of human thinking that's happening in real time you know with this so you've got this thing the internet that gives you immense resources and access to information but then you also have opinions that are inside this ecosystem that aren't even real these are bots like you there's so many bots i i read an article there was an article in the new york times about uh elon musk's ex-girlfriend you know so there's the one that he offered ashley st claire he offered her allegedly 40 million it's she's his baby mama right so she has one of his babies and she offered him uh or he offered her rather allegedly 40 million dollars to be quiet and she said no and she's blabbing to the world so she was at one point in time a right-wing influencer and now she is a part of the democratic socialists of america she's joined the dsa which is fascinating quite a swing always interesting when people do a complete 180 and it's yeah um but so there's this article that's written in the new york times and they post about it on instagram and i go into the comments i go okay i need to see because i'm saying this is ripe for bots like this is going to be a fucking bot farm like 100 and it's all it was it was crazy it was a lot of them are literally saying the same thing he could have just given her a billion yeah he's got a trillion dollars he could just give it a billion she would have stayed quiet and you click on their page and there's no posts and there's the there's yeah it's locked down it's a private page there you know it's a name and a bunch of numbers like this is wild this is like a fake outrage account and there's a thousand of them that are posting on this it's all the same thing i've had it happen on one of my videos i had to take it down because i was so like i was like what is happening right now it's like one about henry ford that i did about him being just a massive asshole and about like his nazi connections interest and it turned into a full the holocaust didn't happen like it turned into that with thousands i mean i've never like at that time had anywhere near that kind of attraction i looked i was like it's like goddamn that one's getting a lot of why is that getting so many views and start reading them as like the number's actually this it's not six million or like you know and it's just go it's just constant and some of them were real or at least seem real because it's like is this a real person saying this like well there are levels of sophistication when it comes to bots especially today with ai they they One of the things you could tell is how recent the page started. I like to go back to that first post. And a lot of that first post is like six weeks ago or a month ago. And then you see that there's no interaction at all. No one's posting. No one's commenting. They have these posts. It's like them with their kid on a swing, them working on a car in the backyard. And it might be AI generated. Or it might be they have taken it from somewhere else. But they can create a page that seems like a real person. Right. And they say a bunch of things that seem like what a real person would say. Like really simple captions for each picture. So there's like levels of sophistication. And then eventually it's going to be ex machina type. This episode is brought to you by Ethos. Life is unpredictable. That's why you need life insurance. It helps give your family financial stability if the worst happens. So they can continue. Living the life you've built with Ethos. You can get covered in minutes. All online. No medical exam. 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You know, levels of sophistication where you're not going to be able to discern whether or not it's a real person commenting or not. No, and you can have the whole world believe something just if you have enough money to pay for enough bots. Yes. Well, it's not even enough money. It's not expensive. That's what's crazy. You can start a bot campaign fairly cheaply and have a bunch of people think, oh, my God. God, people are really mad at Cody Tucker. Yeah, yeah. Like, you could really have people's – and you could shift a lot of the casuals who are just barely paying attention. You could shift their perception on you. Yeah. And that's what they're trying to do. And they're certainly trying to do that with Elon. But this thing with – do you think it was Ford Motor Company that was doing this? No, no, no. What do you think it was? There's just this massive rise in Holocaust denial that's happened within just, like, the last couple of years. Right. Where, like, any post that has to do – I mean, a lot of it, obviously. Obviously, it has to do with, like, the Israel-Palestine conflict and, like, Zionism and all this stuff. And there's a lot of people who just, like, watch, like, this one documentary that, like, disproves the Holocaust. And it's all – that documentary is all a bunch of, like – Which documentary is that? It's called, like, Europa, I think. It's, like – it's all hogwash. None of it's real. It's just this guy who, like, was a famous Holocaust denier. And now it's just become, like, the – I don't know because it's not even necessarily, like, a right-wing versus left-wing thing, you know, where, like, oh, all the right-wing people are Holocaust deniers or, you know, vice versa. It's, like, all – it's, like, groups from everybody. But it's all, like, for the most part, younger people, like my age or younger that, yeah, just don't think it happened. You know what's also interesting, too, is that it's such a disgusting subject that no one legitimate wants to debate someone who doesn't believe in the Holocaust. Right. Like, you don't get, like, a legitimate – Like, you don't get a scholar on World War II who wants to sit down and have a conversation with someone who's a Holocaust denier. Right. It's, like, you don't platform those people. You don't – and so because of that, like, there's a lot of people who go, oh, they're hiding the truth. Right, right. Yeah. Who do you think wrote the textbooks? It was the – Right. And it's, like, well – But, yeah, they didn't, but okay. What is their argument? Their argument is that it's less number, that the number's lower? The number that pops up every single time is 200. And that's why I started realizing it might be botched is because every one of them was saying, oh, my God. They're saying 271,000, like, every post, or 217,000 is one, two. So they think that's the number. How do they come to that? Apparently, that's what – in the documentary, that's what the guy concludes – or comes to by, like, crunching the numbers on, like, the amount of Jews in the area or something. It's – I don't know. Right, right. But it's absolutely absurd and ridiculous. So do you think that it's a foreign country that is doing this bot attack? Like, what do you think? Because, like – Like, if you were anti-Israel, like, if you were against Israel's policies and you were a foreign country, if you're – whatever, fill in the blank, Palestine, Pakistan, whatever it is. You get some Muslim country that wants to fund some sort of anti-Israel thing, and then you would go after – the core reason why people have sympathy for the Jews in modern society is because they were almost exterminated in Germany. I mean, basically, the reason Israel exists. Right. Right. Because, you know, after – Because of the Holocaust. Because of the Holocaust. And, yeah, so that would be the way to do it. I mean – and I just think there's a lot of people who, yeah, just believe it because they read it on the internet. They see the meme saying blah, blah, blah, and they just outright believe it. I think bots should be illegal. I really do. A hundred percent. I don't care because I'm sure there's a lot of bots that follow me on social media. Oh, I know there are a lot of bots that follow me. I mean, I don't know what the number is, but I'm sure – I would guess it's probably about 25 percent. Let my number. Let my number. I don't care if my number's a dropper. I don't care, like, if my money goes down. Get rid of it. Get rid of bots. Like, you should – I've always felt that you should have to have an ID to be able to prove who you are to be able to create an account on any social media platform. I agree. Like, you know, I think there's, like, dating apps that do it where you have to take a picture of your ID and then you go through, like, a vetting process. That should be the same with Instagram, Facebook. The problem with that is whistleblowers, and I think that there is a – There's a legit argument that, especially if you're, like, an Edward Snowden or, you know, Chelsea Manning-type person who has access to information that is highly classified but you don't want to reveal your identity, but people need to know. Like, there's a crime being committed on the American people or the people of the world or whatever. Yeah. You know, the whistleblower thing, protections for whistleblowers was a key part of the Obama campaign when he was running for office was protection for whistleblowers. Meanwhile, he was like, what? One of the worst people for whistleblowers ever that was president, which is kind of funny. Yeah. But that's – they also even removed that part from the Hope and Change website. So the Hope and Change website had this whole thing about whistleblowers. They were like, what? They just fucking deleted that. Yeah, yeah. Cat came out of the bag on that one. Good lord. But – so that's the argument against having to show identification is that it's probably important that some people be able to post anonymous because there's, like, very powerful – Yeah. – people that would try to take them out. Right. No, no. I do believe in, like, anonymity for, like, whistleblowers. It's just – But, like, how do you do that and then also have an ID to post? No, you can't. But, I mean, you can just whistleblow the old-fashioned way and just write it to a newspaper that only about 40 people are going to read now because nobody reads newspapers. Unfortunately, you can't even count on the newspaper printing that. Well, no, no. Because depending upon what you're revealing and what ideology would be opposed – – opposed to that and whether or not this newspaper ascribes to that ideology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, which that's kind of always been a problem, too. But if you went back to, like, you know, the – all the president's men, you know, Nixon, Watergate stuff, like, at least, you know, they were able to do that. Well, that was one of the most disturbing things about Elon purchasing Twitter was when they let, like, Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi, and all these journalists review the emails that were with the – – the executives at Twitter were in contact with the intelligence agencies and that the intelligence agencies were actively censoring accounts, were directing them to remove accounts. They were posting factual information, but that was inconvenient towards the COVID policies of the Biden administration. So they were actively censoring legitimate scientists from Stanford, MIT, like, legit people. And they were like, uh-uh, ban them, take them off. Because it didn't fit in with, you know, whatever. Yeah. Very. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's – I don't know if there's really any real right way of going about any – I mean, we may be doing it the best – the most right way that it could be done, which that's terrifying if that's true. I don't – well, I think there has to be a way to tell if something is a bot and you should have some sort of filters in your system at least to mitigate the bots to get to a point where you can't just have a letter and a – you know, a name and a button. A bunch of fucking numbers and, you know, 50,000 of those accounts and bomb on someone's account because Henry Ford was a Nazi. Or just – I don't know. I guess that doesn't work either. I was saying, like, just have it where you're vetted and then only people who have been vetted can comment. But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily work because if a person's a whistleblower – Right. That's the problem. It ruins that – yeah. Yeah. The problem is anonymity is important when you're revealing something, especially when you're revealing something about a government or corporate. Yeah. Or a corporation where they could whack you. Yeah. You know, it's like – which I think – God, I don't know what I want to say, but I think the best way to do it is just ignore their comments and just let them – But there's a bunch of people who don't do that, and it does artificially alter public opinion on things. Yeah. Yeah, which is – that was why, like, for that post, I just took it down because I was like, oh, I'm not going to go through and sift out all these comments. Did you think about just banning the comments? Just blocking comments? Oh, disabling comments. Well, no, not until right now. That might have been the best way to do it. Probably should have done that. Because it's an – I remember that post. Yeah. It was an interesting post. Yeah. Does it exist anymore anywhere? No. Wow. No. They got you. They got me. They got me. I know. I was infiltrated. Maybe that's how the people that are pro-Holocaust narrative do it. They put in so many scumbags that if you agree to – like, if you follow what they're saying, you're a terrible person. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. People don't want to do that. That's fair. And so they're shaming you. Yeah. For posting it. Jeez. Wild. It's not good. Not good. Yeah. No, I probably should have just taken out the comments, but I don't really – How bad was Henry Ford, though? He's just not a good person overall. Is this it? Oh. Where does it exist? YouTube Shorts. YouTube Shorts. YouTube Shorts. Oh. Let's put the headphones on. Do you want to check the comments? Just start from the beginning. Oh, you should, actually. That'd be pretty funny. Start from the beginning. Here we go. - When I pressed. - Henry Ford revolutionized the automobile industry, with his moving assembly line allowing for the manufacturing of the Model T to go from 12 hours per car to 90 minutes per car. At that point, they were making 10,000 Model Ts a day. He also doubled his employees' wages and basically created a new middle class in America. Despite all of this, Henry Ford was also a massive anti-Semite. In 1920, Henry Ford began publishing a weekly magazine called The International Jew, The World's Problem. Henry Ford's views on the Jewish population struck a nerve with a young man in Austria, who included Henry Ford in his manifesto, Mein Kampf. Henry Ford was the only American complimented in that book written by a young Adolf Hitler. Henry Ford even received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest German award for foreigners, by Adolf Hitler himself. Click on the comments, please. Let's go. Here we go. What does it say here? Oh, for a second, one. Henry Ford, a man ahead of time. I bet they're not talking about the first part. It always feels like we've forgotten more than we remember. Thank you. I live in Detroit, and ooh boy, is this topic taboo. I wonder why. The irony is that when the war broke out, the same Henry Ford revolutionized the manufacturing of warplanes. Other admirers of that little Mustang. Austrian painter. We're Disney. King Edward VIII. Duke of Windsor. Wallace Simpson. And Lindbergh. Yeah, Charles Lindbergh. Lindbergh. Was he really? Charles Lindbergh's a massive Nazi. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No way. Mm-hmm. So this isn't as bad. Oh, well, this one's nowhere near as bad. It seems like, stop, stop, stop, stop. Let's go back up. Some of these seem like bots. Yeah. I didn't know that Ford was, I mean, Ford was, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. None of it. Ford was a great man. I mean, the My Type of Guy thing is very. Yeah. Yeah. It could be shit posters. Well, yeah, which I think that's a lot of it, too. Yeah, who knows? Who knows? It's got Lionel Richie in his fucking, that's his image. Wow. Is it Lionel Richie? So it seems like it's more of a social media thing than a YouTube thing, where the comments were, but God, a lot of those seem like bots. Yeah, they do. These names with all the, when you see names like that, with a bunch of numbers behind it. Yeah. That's always. So much more respect for Henry now. That's the one, yeah. At the top. Yeah. But these are definitely nowhere near as bad. I mean. Nowhere near as bad, but the same thing. I have more respect for him. Well, yeah. But look at what it is. It's the same thing. It's these names with a bunch of numbers. Yeah. Yeah, almost all of them are. I mean, there was an article we've referenced many times where a former FBI analyst was looking at Twitter before Elon Musk purchased it. And he determined that it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% bots. Really? Because they were trying to say that it was 5%. Yeah. And they did that by a 100 post random sampling. So they just randomly got, allegedly randomly. Right. But if you're trying to sell something for $4 billion or whatever he paid for it. Yeah, it's not right. Was it 40 billion? What did he pay for it? For Twitter? Something crazy. 44 billion? 44 billion. Good God. So if you're selling something for 44 billion, the last thing you want to do is, you know, find out that it's mostly just robots yelling into the abyss. Yeah. But this CIA guy, or this FBI guy said he estimated at the high end, it's in the 80%. I mean, that seems so high, but probably. But it makes sense, though. It's probably right. Yeah. If you think about it, that's the town hall. And propaganda has always been a thing. You know, distributing leaflets, putting propaganda films out. That's always been a thing. Yeah. So why wouldn't you? Yeah. Why wouldn't you utilize, like, the greatest vehicle of propaganda the world has ever seen? And just have an army of people comment on things? Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Manufactured outrage. Yes. Which is what most things are now. It's like, manufactured outrage. Or manufactured fandom. Like, I feel like most things that are so popular now, there's no way that's authentic. Like what kind of stuff? Like, certain movies will make just an astronomical amount of money. I'm like, "I don't know. I don't think that many people want to see that movie." Like, that new Spider-Man movie? That brand new day? It's like, broke every record. I'm like, "Who the hell went to go see that, though?" You'd be amazed. I guess so. People love superhero movies. Or like the Ella Langley. You know, that music, that song. Nothing against her, nothing against the song. But it's like, baiting all these records. Like, I don't know a single person who's sitting around listening to that. But maybe also- I listen to that song. Okay. I like it. It should go to a bar on 6th Street. Yeah. Oh, okay. Is it really? Well, that actually makes- That song's popular as fuck. Yeah. I think maybe I'm just. I'm not the best person to even talk about that kind of stuff, because I'm in a dang one-person bubble. Yeah, you're in a bubble. Have you ever seen her. There's a film of her, a video of her getting ready to go on stage, and she's walking through the backstage area, and that song, "Stayin' Alive," is playing, and she's dancing? She's doing little kicks. It does the little kicks and stuff. Yeah. Very compelling. It is. Isn't it weird how that video is so captivating? We love people being free. Because I've watched it so many. Yeah. Here, play it. Give me about it. I've watched this video. Oh, because of the song? Yeah. Yeah. On that note, I'll talk to you later. Never mind. Okay. You want to just tell me now and edit it out? Sure. Yeah, yeah. Just what? You and LL Cool J reciting the lyrics to "Goin' Back to Cali" got flagged. Oh my God. That's how the flags work. It's like, because you recited the lyrics to the song. Really? Oh my God. These fucking criminals. Was he reciting them? Yeah, both of them. Yeah, both of us. But he probably doesn't own the- No, it doesn't. It's not that they- That's just the flag itself. That's fucking bananas. Bananas. Wow. It's a weird world we're living in, man. Yes. If you hum a song, you know that song- Careful. I'm not going to say it. We don't even talk about songs anymore. Is it "Sunshine of My Life"? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys have done that a lot. I do that all the time. Whenever I think about someone really high on drugs, I always like, make that noise. All right, all right. And if you can't, I'll make it real quick, and then we'll edit it, right? Here we go. Sunshine of your love. Yeah, sunshine of your love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cream. So cream, right. Cash rolls everywhere. So when, if you do that on a podcast, they'll flag you. Just do that. That's so crazy. Crazy. Oh my God. Crazy. I'm amazed mine hasn't, because I have a movie podcast, and one of our categories is called "Creed It and Weep," where you have to place the Creed song, arguably the greatest song, arguably the greatest song ever written, "My Own Prison" by Creed, somewhere in the movie where you put it, and we always end up singing the song. It never gets old. They probably haven't got you yet. They'll find you. I don't know. We do a good song. They're going to get you now. Yeah, yeah. Now that you're talking about it here, they're going to get you. I know. Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned it. But that "Choose in Texas" song is huge. No, it is, I guess. It's huge. There's something about this world that is so chaotic that it has made simplicity much more attractive, and country music is making a giant comeback. Oh my God. A huge resurgence. Yes. It's because people want to be by the river with a pickup truck and just having a good time and praising Jesus, and they want simplicity. They want things to be clearly defined, and they want to take away the anxiety of the unknown, because the anxiety of the unknown is looming over us constantly. Absolutely. Like a fog, like that giant sky demon from Stranger Things. Yeah. You know that fucking thing? Oh, yeah. That's looming. That's what our future, our uncertain future, and this technological hell that we have unleashed on the world, and that there's a lot of people that they long for the opposite of that. They long for Yellowstone. They long for cowboy shows. They long for things to be simple. Yeah. That's a big. No, I do agree with that. I do agree with that, where people just want to have land, and people want to occupy their land, and they want to raise families on their land. There's that. That's like 90% of. Homesteading. Yeah. But I think with music, though, it's kind of interesting, because you could kind of say that about any time. The '60s, when was there ever a more, what the hell's about to happen to us time? Right. But then that was some of the most original music ever made, and some of the most complex music ever made at that point. Sure. So it was like the chaos turned into chaotic music. Yes. Whereas now, the uncertainty has turned into, "God dang, I just want to make sure this music sounds the same. I want to know what I'm getting before I get it." Maybe people just suck at making music now, too. Oh, I don't know about that. Not in overall, but I think what gets pushed to the top is more like that. I think whoever's marketing music, whatever company, whether it's Sony, whoever, they're way less likely to take a risk on someone, and they just know like, "Okay, this worked the past 15 times. Well, let's go and do 16th and do it that way," where I think that wasn't always the case. I mean, you could definitely say there was like the bubblegum pop of the '60s, where it was just, "How many versions of the Dave Clark Five can we make?" But occasionally, they would bust out like The Door. Yeah. You know, like The Doors, or Big Brother and the Hole in Company, or something. Now, I don't think there's any version of that. Well, I don't know if that's true. No? No, because I think that today, one of the very unique things about today is that that you don't need anyone for you to go viral. All you have to do is be able to post it online. Like Oliver Anthony is a great example of that. He comes up with Rich Men North of Richmond, and it becomes this fucking massive hit, like out of nowhere. And it turns out he's actually really fucking talented and stays independent and does it all on his own. Yeah. I think those are very few and far between. But they exist and they didn't exist before. So in the 60s, you couldn't do that. If you were going to release an album, you had to go through a music company. You had to go through a record company. You had to have an agent. You had to have a manager. You had to have all these. There was gatekeepers to keep you from getting on the radio. You couldn't just have a song and bring it to the radio station and say, hey, will you play my song? That's not how it worked. No, no. You had to bring your demo to a label, and then the label took care of the rest. Oliver Anthony's first time performing live was in front of, like, 12,000 people. Jesus Christ. So he's a guy who makes a song literally in a field with a fucking cool guitar and sings this song, and it resonated with people so strongly that they just went out to see him in droves. But he's a very unique talent, but it's also like that thing now exists where it never existed before. And there are people like that out there. There's a bunch of other ones that are really interesting, that are. are popping off, like, left and right all over the place in that way, just resonate with people. I need to actually listen to some newer music because I never do. I'm so stuck in, like, older music. Have you ever heard his song, Scornful Woman? Oliver Anthony's? Yeah. Yeah. You played it for me. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was amazing. Whoa. Yeah. That was so good. No, he is amazing, and there are some people, for sure. I just feel like talent has. I don't know. There's something that just feels too robotic about music. Like, whenever I hear songs now, it sounds like it's made on a laptop. Mm-hmm. Like, even. But, like, it's almost, like, too well-produced. Whereas if I listen to, like, Van Halen 1, I can hear the times where Eddie Van Halen fucks up. Right, right, right. Even though he's the greatest guitarist of all time. Like, I want to hear the imperfections in that. And now you would have a producer go through and cut out every little thing, and it doesn't even sound like a person anymore. Right. So there's something that just feels like an uncanny valley about music now. Movies have become that way, even, to me. Well, there's a lot of AI clips that I watch now on YouTube with these short AI movies, like Dracula vs. the Wolfman. Yes, yes. And they're really clunky. They're clunky, and the graphics are kind of. They're a little shitty. They're really good, but not good enough. No. Like, you don't think it's real. You don't think it's real. Right. But I'm just fascinated that a regular person gets to do these things. Yeah. It's really weird. Yeah. I mean, there's part of me that thinks that's a good thing, but part of me that doesn't. Sometimes I feel like there needs to be a bottleneck, you know, where I think, yeah, I don't know. I feel like less is more almost always. Well, it's definitely going to be hard to find the quality things, but I think that the quality things are going to exist where they wouldn't have existed before. Like, someone who's just a very creative, a very creative person that has an idea that would have cost millions and millions of dollars to produce instead is just sitting at home with a laptop and an LLM, and they feed it into that, and next thing you know, you've got this really cool creative video that came out of their imagination that wouldn't have been possible. But the amount of those versus the amount of bullshit is crazy. That's the problem. That's the problem. And I think that's a big problem with music, too, is that there's just so much. Well, that's why I love music. Live performance is so awesome. Yes. Like, going to see a live musician. Yeah. You know, like, Oliver Anthony played at our club. He played at the mothership. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that, yeah. We've only had two awesome bands play there, Oliver Anthony and his band, and Red Clay Strays. They're amazing. Amazing. So that's, like, one of the few bands of, like, you know, that I do actively listen to that's a modern. Lead singer, also Android user. There you go. Doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. No, I feel like there's quite a bit of, maybe quite a little overlap in between him and I. There's a rebellion thing about Android users. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. There's a bunch of people that I know that are, Brian Simpson, Android user. See? Andrew Wilson, Android user. There's a bunch of people that are, like, you know, just unwilling, unwilling to give in to the call of the siren. Exactly. No, I'm strapped to the damn, to the mast at this point. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, yeah. Well, I feel like if I changed it now, I'd be a real dickhead. Well, that's true. That's the problem with committing to something like that. Because if you tried an Apple iPhone and you realize, oh my God, this is so much easier to use and better, and it does things for, yeah. I don't want to even think about that. You'd give up on the convenience? What if it was able to do things that you couldn't do without it? I'm not that interested in convenience. I don't really need convenience. No, because I don't do anything else. So I can, I have the time to be having a less convenient life. Do you ever think that you will make your life more complicated? Do you ever see yourself having a family or anything like that? Oh, geez. Oh, it's entirely possible. How old are you now? There may already be one now. How old are you now? 32. Do you think about it someday? Do you like to have a little Cody running around? Man, I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I feel like I'd probably be an all right dad. I'm sure you're a nice guy. I'm sure you'd be a great dad. Thank you. It'll change you. It'll change you. I don't know about it in a bad way. It's, but I can't, I won't be able to do it. Whatever I want to do. You won't. Whenever I want. You won't. Well, that's true. That's true. Yes. I'm a big, like, but you will love this child more than you've ever loved anything in your life. It'll change your life for that. You don't have to. No. Well, I'm not encouraging you as a person who is a father. I'm not encouraging. I don't, I think I do not like the idea that you won't, the only way to have, to live with a fulfilling life is to be a parent. I think that is, I think any sort of reductionist perspective on a person's life and purpose, I think is ridiculous. There's a lot of people that have never had children that have greatly impacted the human race. Oh, for sure. In a super positive way. Yeah. And had wonderful relationships and friendships and people love them and miss them and they genuinely changed the world. You don't have to have children. No, but in all seriousness, I probably will at some point. Yeah. I'm sure. I think you'd be a great dad. Yeah. I think I'd be a, you know, a good, a good husband, good dad, you know? So I'd probably do it at some point. You might have to leave your town to find a, find a, you got a lady right now? Yeah. Oh, well good. Oh, yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. Does she want to have little ones? Little Codys? She already does. Sure he does. Well, she doesn't already have little Codys, but she does. But she has children already? Yeah. So, I mean, I guess I kind of don't have a choice in that matter then. Yeah. I mean, yeah, no. No, it's all going to work out pretty good. Well, I'm glad you're hopeful. Yeah. You have a good perspective. Well, I don't really have much of a choice, you know? Yeah. I don't want to kind of, you know, be hopeful or dread life. I'm not too interested in that. Well, people are always worried about the uncertainty and the unknown and like we were talking about before, I really genuinely think that's why there's this genuine, there's a trend, a clear trend toward like simplistic music and simplistic lifestyles. And certainly during COVID, a lot of people like turned to homesteading. Yes. And they realized like, oh, I don't know. Oh, we might not be able to have food, which by the way, I saw maybe the worst movie I've ever seen in my life the other day. Okay. I think it's called The Last House. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Oh, wait. Is that? It kind of looked interesting. Wait, wait. Hold on. The Last House? Yes. Are you sure that's what it was called? I think that's what it's called. Yeah, it just came out. Yeah. Okay. Is it? Oh. Okay. It's good for a while. The ending is maybe the worst ending of any movie. It's almost like they ran out of, yeah, this is it. Oh, this is it. Yes. These people get, spoiler alert, they get trapped in the house by aliens. So aliens won't let you leave the house. You can't break the windows. You can't open the door for whatever fucking reason that makes no sense whatsoever. And then these aliens are like these big squid things that like octopus things that hang out outside your door. And then most people starve to death because they can't leave the house. But this one family, the dad's an engineer. They figure out a way to get out of the house. They trap animals and drag them back into the house. And then they survive somehow or another. But there's these monsters that live out there. I don't want to spoiler it for anybody, but it's so, the ending is so fucking dumb. You're just going to go, what happened here? And by the way, that guy who's the lead actor is the guy who played Pablo Escobar. Yeah, Narcos. Yeah. He's amazing. And he won or nominated for an Oscar last year for some, I can't remember the movie. He's fucking great. No, he is. He's an amazing actor. How much shit is this movie bad? How long do you think you'd be lasting in that? In that kind of a world? You'd last for a while. Trapped in a house? Trapped in a house is not good. Yeah, but you got all kinds of stock. Yeah. Stockpiles and whatnot. For good, you go, okay, good for a year. What are you good for, two years? And then you're going to need food. You're going to need to get out of the house. There's no way you're going to be able to live in your. The premise of the movie is ridiculous. Yeah. And they throw a trap out of the chimney and that's how they catch animals on the front porch. It's the dumbest fucking. Oh, it's pretty good. Good thinking. It's kind of okay. Maybe it kind of would work, but it's the ending. I don't want to give away the ending. The ending, you're just going to go, what the fuck just happened? I wouldn't laugh. One of the monsters is a good monster, and it tells him, don't kill these people. And it opens the door and lets him out after like six years. Wait, so that's the ending? Oh, yeah. And then they never see the monsters again, and then they go sailing. It's the dumbest fucking ending you'll ever see in a movie ever. There's another trapped on a boat. Well, they're going to go around and eventually find other people that live too. Oh, God. But there's maybe like 30 people left on Earth. And by the way, these monsters, they never see them again. That's also part of the thing. Meanwhile, they're everywhere in the beginning. Every time it gets dark out and rains, these monsters are outside their house, and they have to cover the windows or the monsters will see them. And then one day the monsters enter the house and try to kill them. And then they fight with the monster and then don't kill the monster, and that monster decides they're a good guy. And so he lets them out. I don't like any of this. Dude, it's so bad. The ending, you're going, what in the fuck did I just watch? I wouldn't make it three days. I can't ration. So I'd be really screwed. You'd just eat all the potato chips and that's it. Oh, everything. I mean, I have plenty of things, and I could survive, but I'd get way too hungry. But if you knew, do you think you would change your behavior? Or would you say, like, let's just— It's too embedded. I've lived this way way too long. Until the wheels fall off, let's go. I mean, might as well. I have a clean bill of health as far as my doctor goes. I might as well. I'll go out with a clean bill of health. What if you found yourself out in the woods, and there was no one anywhere around you. You, like, woke up, and you're in a cabin, but you have, like, a rifle, a large amount of bullets, firewood, some sort of a wood stove, and water. Do you think you'd live? No. So I would take the rifle and put it right there. I mean, I would look out the windows, and I would maybe, like, whistle. What if there's a bunch of books, like really cool books, in the cabin? And all you had to do was just figure out a way to shoot some squirrels, stay alive? I wouldn't. No, it wouldn't be worth it. It wouldn't be worth it. No, I think I'd just send it. You'd just end it? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I need to. I want, like, an easy life, you know? I'm not meant for a difficult life. No. I've ruined myself, you know? Physically. Okay. But mentally, you do like challenges. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a big. Yeah, no, I love a mental life. I love a mental challenge. I love keeping this thing going. It's just from there down, I'm not keeping, you know, I'm, well, I'm conserving energy, like I said. Yeah. Just in case. Today is brought to you by the number one brand for better sex, Blue Chew. Blue Chew Gold is a four-in-one powerhouse that gets your brain and your body on the same page for sex. Two ingredients get the blood flow pumping, and two ingredients prime your brain for arousal. 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That's a hilarious perspective. Like, that's actually hilarious. Well, it depends on the animal, I suppose. It does not depend on the animal. It could be a fucking chicken chasing us. I'm going to get ahead of you by a large margin really quickly. And there's no way you can catch me. It's not even physically possible. What's the distance? It doesn't matter. Oh. It could be 100 yards. It could be 100 miles. 40-yard dash. My 40 time was surprisingly quick. I think that was a long time ago, Cody. Yeah, it may have been a long time ago. I think it was a long time ago. I don't think there's a chance in hell that you could run faster than me. No, probably not. Probably not. No. No. Well, we won't race, so I guess we'll never know the actual answer. Yeah, but it's just a weird idea that you have in your head. A guy who's so smart and who is so interested in facts and history has this one delusional idea that you can run. Interested in facts and history. Yes. Smart. No. You're not smart. I can just remember things, but I'm a pretty delusional person in this aspect. I think life's way too short to not be delusional. That's interesting. So it's like a protective shield of being delusional? Delusional? Yes. I just, I think everything's going to work out always. Well, that's a way better perspective than everything is going to be doom. Well. Those people are exhausting. No, so I do. Okay, I actually probably shouldn't have said what I said. I do think everything's going to go bad. But, I'm sorry, hold on. I think I did the wrong order. So I think everything's going to be bad inside, but on the outside, I try to be like, I try to convince myself that everything's okay. And it does work, but no, on the inside, I'm scared to death of everything. But everything is going well for you. Like you said, you got a lady in your life, your page is doing fantastic, you've written two books. Oh yeah. Like things are going really well. Yes. No, no, it's not that. I just think like, what if I have a heart attack right now? Or like, what if- That is possible. What if on the way home I die in a car wreck? Like I'm always thinking, I'm a very what if person, which is why I don't like thinking about the future. Mm-hmm. I'm not hopeful at all. It's always like, something bad is going to happen to me in the future. But right now, nothing is, so whew. If things start to happen bad, like if your health starts to fade, do you think you'll make conscious decisions to become healthier? Oh, I would like to think so, but I don't know. I'm very much like a, as long as everything's coming back all right, I'm going to keep running this son of a bitch into the ground. Right. As long as everything's coming back all right. Yeah. But if I get an A1c test that looks a little- Yeah. A little iffy, I don't know what I'm going to do on that one. Well, I think that would probably change if you had children. Oh, yes. Yeah. That would be one of the things that would change. You would want to be around for your children, and that does happen to a lot of people. Yeah. They have children, and they say, "Oh my God, I have to be here for this little tiny person that I love to death. I have to change my diet, I have to change my life." Oh, yeah. No, there's no doubt about that. I would, yeah, I would change things up quite a bit. I mean, I have changed some things. I quit drinking. When'd you do that? Seven or eight years ago. I don't know. Yeah. Probably about eight years ago. Yeah. Actually, I mean, partly because of October stuff, you know. Really? Yeah. Well, that was like whenever I first tried it and was like, "Oh, this is way better than drinking every day." Yeah. And- You certainly feel a lot better. Oh, man. That's for sure. Yeah. And then, you know, the month ends, and then I go back to drinking, but I'm not enjoying it that much. And then by like February of, you know, after that November, I was just like, "Nope. Done. No more. I'm tired of this. I'm tired of drinking every day. I'm tired of drinking as much as I'm drinking and feeling horrible." And just quit. And- Good for you, man. That's it. I have it in there. I took eight months off. About eight months. And then I went out with my wife and had a. I think I had a margarita, a margarita or a glass of wine, something like that. And then I was like, "Oh, I think I'm back." Yeah. I like it. See, that's my problem. I can't have a little of something. That's the big problem. And that's why drinking was kind of easy. Not that it was easy, but it was kind of easy because I can just not drink. I'll live. I can just have zero alcohol, but I can't have zero food. That's where my problem is, is I overeat all the time because I feel like I'm never going to get enough. It's like famine mentality, but I didn't grow up poor or anything, not rich, but I don't know why I have this mentality of, "Oh, I got to have everything." But that's how it was with alcohol, too, is I can't buy an 18-pack of beer because that's not going to be enough. Really? No, no, no, no. So I need to buy two 18s. I know that'll be more than enough. And I don't want to ever run the chance of not having enough. And because there's so much, I'm more inclined to drink way more. I eat a lot, believe it or not. I'm a glutton. I have a problem. I can't stop eating. I just burn it off, luckily. But I get to points where I don't. I get to points where I start getting a belly and I start getting fat on the sides and I look at myself in the mirror. I'm like, "Oh, you look like shit, dude. It's time to button down the hatches." I get to points. I've had some points where I got pretty – Like, right before I did the carnivore diet the first time, I got pretty heavy. I got, like, I think I was, like, 208 or 209, which for me is a lot. What do you normally run at? Right now I'm 200, which is good. Is that, like, normal? That's normal. 200 pounds is normal. When I get above, like, 205, I start getting a little nervous. That's what I'm getting. You notice that much of a change? Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, you notice a change, yeah. I notice a change in how I feel. I notice a change in I feel like I'm carrying around extra weight. And I also just feel like shit, you know? It just don't feel as good. But I'm a glutton, man. I eat so—when I sit down to eat, I just can't stop eating. I eat so much. I just—I'll eat, like, two entrees. Like, I'll have, like, two steaks. I'll have a steak. I'll have a big plate of pasta. I'll eat a bunch of appetizers. Like, if I go out to dinner with friends, I eat, like, a pig. Oh, that's nice. I eat so much. Especially if it's Italian food. Oh, my God. I'm a glutton. I'll eat pizza and pasta. And then I'm just like— Yeah. My stomach is literally, like, stretched to the boundaries. Like, oh. Then I'll sit there like a bear that's been shot with a tranquilizer dart. Just, oh. Yeah. That's me. That's actually me, like, almost every day. I just have self-control other times. And then I don't—you know, I do a lot of intermittent fasting. Oh. So, like, if I eat at 7 p.m. at night, I literally won't have any food at all until maybe 1 in the afternoon the next day. And then I'll work out. I'll do all this different stuff. And then I'll eat something before I go and do a podcast. Okay. And I do that all the time. So, my body has these long stretches where it's allowed to digest all the food. Yeah. But in the past—like, there's been moments in the past where I haven't done that. I'll eat late-night snacks. I'll get up in the morning. I'll have a big breakfast. Then I have a big lunch. And then it starts— It starts getting away from me. Yeah. So, I've gotten a little bit better with it just, you know, over time. But mine is just very wave, you know, up and down, up and down. Right now, I'm on an up. But an up in weight, not in goodness. Right. Yeah. Like, I'm really going— Do you make corrections when you feel like you're going in a bad direction? Yeah. So, then I'm like, let's add some salads into this thing. And then I start doing that for a little—and then there's the down. That's where I, you know, lose a little bit of weight. My weight goes down. But then I'm like, eh, but this kind of sucks. So, then I go— I go right back up. So, it really always sucks. I think it's just always either, like, it sucks, but I'm feeling healthier, or it sucks, but I'm feeling—I'm eating good. Right. So, like, it's just kind of— Do you think you'd ever get to a point where you'd hire a trainer? God, that just feels real dumb. Does it? No. I mean, a little bit, but I just—I can't be motivated by other people. Well, you don't have to be motivated by other people. But the other people can, like, take you through a routine where you don't have to think. So, okay, okay, so not like a boot camp type thing. No. Not like Celebrity Fit Club. No, no, no, no. Oh, okay, because I would not respond well to that. I mean, like, you know, you have a scheduled meeting where you meet a guy at, like, 10 a.m. someplace, and you work out for an hour three times a week. So, like, a dietician—like, almost like what you do when you meet with a dietician. Sort of, but a trainer would be, like, someone who, like, can—they say, okay, what are your goals? Like, what are you trying to accomplish? Okay, I'm going to help you do that. And there's people that are really good at that. Right. There's a lot of jerk-off trainers that are just assholes that just got a job at the gym, and most of the time they don't even know what they're doing. There's a lot of people like that. I've met them. But then there's also people that are, like, really good at their job and take it very seriously and really like helping people and getting people on the right track. Okay, yeah. And recognizing that there's this moment where people start to feel better and recognize, like, oh, this thing—like, my friend Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll's a great example. Yeah, yeah. Jelly Roll was 500 pounds. Hell, yeah. He's lost 300 pounds. I mean, that isn't a thing. And he was a big excess guy. He was drinking and eating and, you know, just off the rails. Now he's running every day, and now he exercises. And I was just with him in Utah. We went on an elk hunt together. This guy's hunting. He's going up mountains and shit. He's, like, super healthy now. It's crazy. Yeah. And, I mean, he's like, I've never felt better in my life. Like, I feel so fucking good. It's like I can't believe it. It took me so long to get on this path. See, I wouldn't do something like that, I think. Like, a trainer actually, you know, sitting down with you and, like— With him, it just started with walking. Well, that's the thing. So I did buy a treadmill, which has now become a clothes rack. But I did buy a treadmill, and I was, like, walking around. I was like, oh, look at me. I'm like you, making a difference. And then, you know, my heart started going a little fast, and I was breathing a little heavy. But it was, you know, just because it had been, like, 30 minutes on the treadmill. And then I got afraid that I couldn't catch my breath, and I had a panic attack. And I was like, oh, this isn't good. And then every time I got on it, I immediately was like, oh, this isn't good. My breath—I'm out of breath, which it was fine. I mean, I was breathing fine. It's just psychological. It's all in my head. I have massive, like, panic, which is all, you know, from all, you know, the anxiety. Right. Like, I'm sure if one thing got corrected, the other would correct, too. 100%. I like you. You're a really good guy. Thank you. I want you to be better. I want you to be healthier. Yeah. That's why I'm pursuing this line. That's why I'm pursuing this line of discussion. Yeah. It's an intervention, I suppose. No, not really. But you know what? One thing that would really help? Huh? Putting your treadmill in front of a television and watching a movie. Yeah. So that's what I was doing. Well, that is what I was doing. It's a great way to do it. Yeah. I was watching, like, Lord of the Rings, because I was like, I want to do the walk to Mordor thing, you know? It's a little nerdy, but I love Lord of the Rings. And I was like, and that's walking. Like, I can walk, Jesus. Yeah. And so I was doing that, but then I was, like, doing some incline, because I was like, hey, I'm really going to test myself here. I probably shouldn't have done that. Start slow. Start with a flat ground. I didn't start as slow as I should have. Yeah. But, yeah. This is one of the things that we've done, these comedian workouts. I bring comics in, and we have a gym next door. Okay. And the first thing I tell them before we do it, I go, you are not going to get exhausted. You're not going to get exhausted, and I'm not going to push you. Right. What we're going to do is we're just going to do a series of movements, very gradually building. And then we're going to build your body up to the point where you can start doing more. And that's the way to do it. The way to do it is not, like, kick your ass the first day where you wake up, and you're like, oh, fuck. Yeah. You're sore, getting out of bed. Fuck all that. You need to build up. Like, if you try to do what I do, like, for the first day, it would be terrible for you. Right. But you could do what I do eventually and be just like me, where I was like, I came here today. I feel fine. I feel great. Yeah. But that's the thing. It's like you have to get your body to a resilience point. You've got to build it up. But I think you should build it up slowly. And one of the best ways to do it is to do cardio where you're watching a good movie because you just get captivated by the movie. You know, you're on a fucking elliptical machine just watching a movie. That's why I watched John Wick so many times. It started during Sober October. Right. I was like, you know, I was just thinking, like, about this fucking revenge movie. Fucking, ah. It just keeps you going. Or anything that captivates your attention span and takes your mind off of. The fact that you're breathing a little heavy. And you're not even breathing really heavy. No. And even whenever I had the full, you know, freak out, I was fine. And even after it was done, I was like, what the fuck were you freaking out about? Yeah. But then it just sticks in my head. Like, it always just, I don't know. I have just a very- Well, you have an interesting head. You know, the way your mind works, the way you're interested in all these different things, that also could, like, turn against you. Hmm. Boy, does it. Yeah. Yeah. It's why I've slept with a TV on since I was three years old. Have you really? Yeah. I can't- Does Dave sleep with a TV on? Sleep with a TV on. Has to. Wow. Yeah. I can't be alone with my thoughts. Ever. Ever. It's too much. That's interesting. Yeah. It's like- You never, like, meditate or anything like that? I've tried. And, like, I can do it. Like, I can, you know, not try to have zero thoughts, but just let the thought come, let the thought go. You know, all that kind of stuff. But I don't feel any different afterwards. And I've done it for, like, months at a time. Really? Yeah. And, yeah, it just does nothing. I just- No. I just try to, like, suffocate it. I just try to suffocate the voices. You know, not voices, but, like, the thoughts. Yeah. Just with distractions. Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about people. One of the things that I really love about doing this podcast is I get to talk to so many different kinds of people. And, you know, there's a lot of narrow-minded people that think that everybody should live one way. Yeah. And everybody should think one way and behave one. And this is the right way. I don't think that's real. And I think there's a lot of different, very interesting, creative people that their brains work different than everybody else's. And that's a great thing. Yeah. And your burden is that you can't be alone with your thoughts. But that's also why you produce so much great content. Yeah. Because you can't be alone with your thoughts, so you're always engaging with stuff. Have to be distracted. Yeah. So why not distract myself with, you know, that stuff? But it's also you're distracting yourself with stuff that's, I mean, it's really, you're because of all these facts and all this information that you've acquired and all the stuff that you've put out there in the world, you've, like, changed a lot of people's perspective on things. You've given people a lot of stuff to think about, you know, and that's a great service. It really is. I guess I never really think about it. It's the opposite of Real Housewives, what you're doing. Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it provides a service for me. But, yeah, no, I guess I never really think about it like that. That people really, you know, get anything out of it. Oh, dude, I get a lot out of your page. That's why I'm always sending you interesting information. I know, which is fun because some of the stuff that I have heard about, I'm like, oh, I did a video on that a long, long time ago. But a lot of it is, and it's like, holy, I never knew. Which that's one of my favorite start to a sentence is, did you know? Like when someone comes up to me and says, hey, did you know? I'm immediately like, oh, come on, come on. And there's times where like, oh, I already knew it. But it's like, oh, well, that's cool. That's cool. You knew it. But whenever they follow that up with like something I didn't know, oh, man. That's like one of my favorite feelings in the world. Me too. Is learning something that I didn't know. Yeah. Especially something really wild and cool. Yes, yes. Like, whoa. Especially if it's about somebody that is like well-known. You're like, how do people not know that side of that person? And some of it's not even cool. Like the Henry Ford shit. Like, I didn't know that. Well, yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah, not cool like good. No, I know what I mean. Yeah, but it's interesting to know. That there's, you know, some of our most celebrated people are monsters. Well, yeah, it's like Gandhi, Mother Teresa. Yeah. You know, Henry Ford, Cesar Chavez. We talked, you know. I think most of those people were complete scumbags. I mean, some of them did some good stuff. I mean, I would argue Mother Teresa never did anything good. But, I mean, Gandhi, you know. Was Mother Teresa that bad? Real bad. What was Mother Teresa's deal? So Mother Teresa had a, you know, she would like heal the sick and all that BS. But she basically just had a giant concrete storage room that she would put sick people in and donate and give all the money that was being donated to her to the Vatican. Not use it to treat any of them. Really? Because she believed that, like, suffering brought you closer to God. So she would just walk up and down the rows of sick, dying people. Like, look how close to God I am. She's a scum, a horrible person. Really? So she could have helped them with medication? I mean, she, I think they were giving them, like, you know, very basic things. But, like, you know, they're sleeping on, like, concrete floors. Like, meanwhile, she's getting millions donated. Like, Princess Diana, you know, is giving all this money to Mother Teresa. And she's just this frail old, you know, nun. So, you know, nun the wiser. But, yeah, she's just, like, funneling it right up to the Vatican. And was she portraying her role very differently than the reality of it? Yeah, it's the reason why she became, you know, Mother Teresa, like, to everybody. Is this, like, sort of patron saint of, you know, which I don't know. What she is the saint of, if anything. But, like, to most people, in most people's eyes, like, that's a good person. Like, oh, you're just, like, you know, Mother Teresa is synonymous, like, how Einstein is with being smart. But Mother Teresa is with, like, caring and kindness and, you know, virtue. And she was just sending all the money to the Vatican. Yeah, the vast majority of the Vatican and just having a, you know, basically a torture chamber, you know. People were just suffering constantly. So you think you're going to go to Mother Teresa and she's going to take care of you. Of course. You're locked in a basement. Yeah. Yeah, you get locked in this giant concrete room with, like, basically no windows, no sunlight getting in, and people just having, like, whatever, dysentery or, you know, whatever disease they have. Just diarrhea all over your bed sheets and just slowly slip away. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not good. It's like a frat house. The whole Vatican thing is so strange. That's one of the places that when I went to, I was a little weirded out. I was like, yeah, you guys have so much money. Money. A lot of money. There's billions of dollars in artwork there. You walk around, you're like, this is kind of crazy. They have masterpieces just kind of stacked all over the place. It's almost like they're hoarders for great art. Yes. Which, I mean, art is an embezzlement scheme anyways, but most of it is. You think? Yeah. You don't think Hunter Biden was getting paid all that money because his art was amazing? What are you trying to say? Well, I mean, who am I to judge? I don't want to judge the talent level of an artist. It is an interesting way to launder money, right? Yeah, and they do it. I mean, there's no. What's to make a painting $70 million and then one from an artist you've never heard of sells for like $35 million? Especially modern art, which is very easy to make. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There's one that sold for, God, I want to say it was like tens of millions of dollars. It might have been like $60 million. Yeah. But it's basically like a red stripe of paint, a black stripe of paint, and a red stripe of paint, and it's famous. And so there was this Christie's or Sotheby's, one of those auctions, one of those, and this thing got auctioned off for this fucking preposterous amount of money, and you're like, what is happening here? Like, is this a scheme? Is this like. It's got to be. It's got to be. How is this. How does this represent such an insane amount of generational wealth? For just this stupid painting that you could make in a couple of hours? Not even in a couple of hours. An hour. Well, you just don't get it. I know. I'm stupid. I mean, it's. I'm uncultured. It's amazing to me. See if you can find that painting. It's really crazy. When you see it, it's really crazy. You're like, okay, this is. You're pissing. That's it. That's it? That's it? That's it. How much is that one, Jamie? Wow. I'm afraid to tell you, I think. That's amazing, though. I don't know if this one was. That's one's. This is actually on the shelf. Yeah. I don't know. That's one's. This is actually on the top of the article, so. That's really a. I mean, it is kind of beautiful. That's the one I'm talking about. Oh, my God. Does that say 105 million? That's. 110 million? No, no. It's different ones. It's different ones. Yes, now it's not on the list. Let me find that picture on the list. Some of these are. Oh, there was that Jackson Pollock. That's it right there. 186 million. Oh, Rothko. Yeah. Mark Rothko is a pretty well-known artist. Look at that. But that is. That is $186 million. I feel like a lot of the Rothko paintings are like that and yeah, he's like. Oh, yeah. I think there's the Jackson. Are those Pollocks or. 300 million. Look at this one. Yeah. Isn't that. 300 million. Do you know about the whole CIA connection with modern art? Do you know that? With modern art? Oh, there's the Jackson Pollock. Do you know that? No. Do you know the PSYOP? With modern art? Yeah. No. No. I don't know this. I'm so happy to tell you this. Oh, my God. Okay. So, during the time of Jackson Pollock, which is while we were in the middle of the Cold War, the CIA started this thing for modern art to pump up American art because we didn't have any art that compared with the classics from Russia. Right. Right. So, yes, there's a documented basis to CIA modern art PSYOP. This is from Perplexity, our AI sponsor. "The CIA secretly supported the international promotion of modern art in the United States. The CIA secretly supported the international promotion of American abstract expressionism during the Cold War." So what actually happened? "In the 1950s, the CIA funded the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a Paris-based organization that sponsored magazines, concerts, conferences, and exhibitions. It presented itself as an independent cultural organization while covertly advancing an anti-Soviet agenda." So, American abstract expressionism, the work of Jackson Pollock. Rothkau, Willem de Kooning, those guys that we just saw fit the agenda. Its individuality and experimentation could be presented as evidence of American intellectual freedom in contrast to the ideological constraints associated with Soviet socialist realism. The paintings didn't need to contain an explicit political message. Their freedom of form was the message. So how the PSYOP worked, indirect funding, money moved through cultural organizations, and intermediaries. Rather than appearing as overt CIA sponsorship, this was described as a long-leash approach. International exposure, exhibitions held, established, American paintings prestige abroad. Historians have identified CIA backing behind the new American painting which toured Europe in 1958 to 1959. So all that art that you look at and you go, "This is fucking bullshit." How did this become so famous and so valuable? Right. Fucking CIA. It's so weird. I mean, it does make perfect sense. Same people brought us MKUltra. They engineered so many very weird and twisted aspects of our society. Yeah. Well, there's all the connections, or what people think of connections, with the music scene in the '60s. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because so many of them were- Strange times in Laurel Canyon, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Morrison's dad, Jim Morrison's dad being the Navy Admiral. He's an intelligence agent. Yeah. He was the Navy Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah. Yeah. He was responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah. And Jim Morrison used to always, in interviews, when they asked about his parents, he would just say they died in a car wreck. Okay. Yeah. That was always his response. They died in a car wreck. They hit a group of Indians. That's what he said? Mm-hmm. Yeah. He's a dipshit. Is his dad still alive? Yeah. His parents are alive. Yeah. Alive and well. They were in one documentary about the doors I watched. They finally interviewed his dad and asked him what he thought about Jim Morrison. It was kind of weird, but it was back in the maybe '80s or so. Yeah. The thing is, they were good. They were really good. Did the doors? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So the question is, can you really engineer that kind of creativity and talent? Well, that's where I get kind of skeptical about that side of it, is that, or were there a lot of military kids in that area, because there's a lot of military base in that area, and are there just naturally going to be a lot of kids, and kids tend to rebel against their parents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I don't know. Like, how much of that is, like, yeah, is the CIA just plucking kids of, you know, whatever? Well, people tend to definitely create, like, a picture that doesn't exist. They tend to draw lines and connect dots. And we look for patterns that perhaps don't exist. But it's because so many patterns do exist. Well, and your brain's wired to look for patterns. It's why you can convince somebody of fake memories. It's why, like, you know, I mean, people will give whole explanations for an event that never occurred. But it's because they know the beginning and end, so they have to be able to connect that. Right. Like, because you have to have the pattern. So, I mean, optical illusions, like, when you see an optical illusion, the reason why it's an illusion is because your brain is trying in there somewhere to establish a pattern. What was that one that we looked at the other day, Jamie, where they look like two different colors? Until you put your fingers over the line in between them, and then they all of a sudden become one color? It is so weird. Oh, there's so many of those. Yeah, there's some interesting ones with that, or, like, where you'll have, like, a Coca-Cola can that looks red in the picture, but it's actually all black and white. It's just because there's these tiny green lines. Oh, yeah. Okay, I remember seeing this one. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Like, that thing right there. Make that large, please. That thing is, that's, they're both the same color. Yeah. And you don't realize it until you take your fingers and cover the line. And then you go, what in the fuck is that? How is that possible? It's because of a, what do they call it? Because of a, Jesus. What is it called again, Jamie? What's that? Cornsweet. It's called the corn sweet illusion, yeah. Yeah, that's nuts. That one's nuts. Yeah. Because you would swear to God that the lower one is a lighter color than the upper one until you block out that line in the center. And you're just like, holy shit. Oh, there's so many of those, too. Like, there's so many, and they're just so, they're fascinating to me of, like, how your brain can trick itself. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the whiteness of the top of the bottom one that makes it seem like it's a different color below it. But that's because in patterns, that's how it would be. Like, in anywhere else in nature, if something had that white of a top, then surely it must be a lighter color. And the thing that's darker, like, that dark would normally be darker. It's just weird that your brain fucks with you that much. Yeah, it's trying its damnedest to, you know, get you. It's trying to get you where it needs to be, but, yeah, it'll definitely. And I think that applies to, like, connecting these dots. Oh, yeah. Like, Jim Morrison's dad was an announcer. Yes. The CIA engineer, the hippie movement. Right. Which I think there's some evidence that they probably were involved in that as well. There's definitely some evidence that they were involved in promoting hip-hop. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, with the hippie movement, too, there is evidence that they were, you know, helping to stage protests and, like, organized protests. Even, like, was it Gloria Steinem? Gloria Steinem was working with the CIA at one point to stage, you know, like, these things. So, like, there's always been that version of it, but then it's just, you know, whether or not all of it is because of that. No. I don't think you can engineer Hendrix. No. Right? Yeah, because I've heard that argument. And Hendrix wasn't even, like, an anti-war person. Hendrix didn't give a damn. He was in the war. He was in Vietnam. Well, he, you know, he had songs that were anti-war. It was not necessarily a song called Machine Gun. Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, as far as, like, outwardly, so not necessarily the music, but, like, outwardly speaking against the war. He was not necessarily one of the, like, you know. He spoke out against it on stage. Against the war? Yeah. I don't remember ever seeing him, like, actually speak out, like, fully against the war. I thought he was, like, kind of. He's speaking out against the war and against violence on stage in the live version of Machine Gun. Oh, maybe so. Yeah. Well, no, I think, no, it was more, like, in his day-to-day life. He would get really angry with people who would, like, criticize the war if they, like, said certain, or, like, were critical, not the war, but of, like, soldiers. I think he used to get, like, really upset about that. Yes, Jimi Hendrix expressed anti-war views through his music, especially Machine Gun, but his politics were more complicated than a simple lifelong pacifist label. Accounts of his early career describe him as supporting U.S. involvement in Vietnam before his later music became closely associated with opposition to war. Well, he was a young man. I mean, he died, and he's only 27. Yeah. Machine Gun is the clearest example. Released on Band of Gypsies in 1970, it portrays the brutality of war through lyrics and guitar sounds resembling gunfire. Fucking great song. Oh, I know. Explosions and cries. Hendrix dedicated it to people fighting in Vietnam and Berkeley and within themselves, connecting the battlefield violence with conflict at home. Fuck, that guy was good. Yeah. But even that's not necessarily anti-war. Like, you know, depicting war isn't necessarily being anti. I mean, now, going on stage. And saying, like, you know, anti-war things. But I think he was more like, I know he got in a fight with, was it like Pete Townsend or Mick Jagger? It was somebody, because they were criticizing, like, the troops who were in Vietnam. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, like, hold on. Like, I was a troop in Vietnam. Like, you know, they're not the problem. It's the, like, yeah, being against, like, the government. Yeah. I'm sure. But, yeah. But, like, Jim Morrison wasn't, like, anti-war. He just liked to pull his dick out. He just liked pulling his dick out. Chuck Lorre was here the other day. He was here the other day. Yeah. And he told us that he went to see Jim Morrison in concert. He didn't even get through the first song. He tried to pull his dick off. And they came on the stage with horseback to remove him. They're on horses. I mean, he was just such an animal. It might not. This is not the same fight you said, but this is an interesting fight between Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townsend. Backstage argument, not a documented fist fight. Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townsend clashed at the Monterey Pop Festival June 18, 1967 over who would perform first. Neither wanted to follow the other's explosive. It was an explosive stage act. Read the quote. It was just Jimi on a chair playing at me, playing at me like, don't fuck with me, you little shit. Just standing on a chair playing guitar at him. That's what Townsend said Jimi did. Attacking him by his play. Not only that, like imagine him playing in front of you going, I'm not following that. Yeah, yeah. And then that's when he set his guitar on fire. Yeah, it was Townsend's. Oh, so it wasn't Townsend's guitar? I've always heard that it was Tom. It wasn't Townsend's guitar that he was playing. I mean, it could have been. They might have just left that fact out of this. Oh, so they wanted to play first. So the who wanted to play first. Yeah, because they didn't want to follow. They didn't want to follow Hendrix. Yeah. Townsend smashed his guitar during their set, and Hendrix later famously set his own guitar on fire. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Yeah, there's some interesting stories like that, too. Like with Jerry Lee Lewis, you know. Oh, yeah. With Chuck Berry lighting his piano on fire. Instead of following that motherfucker. Yeah. Amazing. I mean, he almost killed a couple people. May or may not have killed a couple of his wives. May or may not have. Seems like he probably might have been. Tried to kill Elvis. Did he try to kill Elvis? Yeah, he showed up drunk as hell at Graceland and tried ramming his car through the gates and stepped out waving a gun in the air saying, I'm here to, like, let's see who's the, or he said, like, let's see who's the real king now. And was trying to kill him. And Elvis, meanwhile, is inside watching him through the security camera, you know, going, oh, you got to get down here. You know, and cops show up and Jerry Lee Lewis gets back in his car with the window still up, doesn't realize the windows are up, grabs a liquor bottle and throws it at the cops and just shatters in his car. Yeah, that guy was a loose fucking cannon. Yeah, I'd say. Yeah. I mean, well, Jimmy Swigert's cousin. That's right. Yeah. Did you write it? Did you make a video about that? I don't think I made one about them being cousins, but I made one about him, you know, being a lunatic. Yeah. He was a lunatic. A legit lunatic. Yeah, absolute, like, psychopath. Well, Jimmy Swigert's a lunatic. And their other cousin was, like, Mickey Gilley, I think, who was also a very famous country singer. But, yeah, Jimmy Swigert and Jerry Lee Lewis. Well, it's interesting, like, the preacher connection to entertainment. Well, it's the same. It's one and the same. Yes. Especially that type of preacher, like a televangelist. Oh, yeah, there they are. Yeah. Jimmy Swigert and Jerry Lee Lewis. Look at them. They're both, like, psychos. Let me see that. Close in on that picture again. Look at them. They're both, like, complete psychos. If I was alone in a room with these guys and they were drinking, especially Swigert, I'd be like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Look at his eyes. Yeah. Like, he looks dangerous. Yes. He looks like a fighter. Yeah. He looks dangerous. Yeah, and then Jerry Lee Lewis. I have sinned. Remember that? Yeah. I have sinned. He got busted with hookers. Didn't he get busted a second time? Oh, I've sinned. It was amazing. Didn't he get busted a second time after that? I don't know. I've won. I'd say he did, but maybe not. You know, Kenneson was a preacher, too. Yeah. Yeah. Which, there's, that's a perfect crossover, too. Perfect. Just that stage presence. I mean, obviously, that's a different kind of stage presence. I'm sure you've been to church. Church is, if someone's a good preacher, they're entertaining. Yes. That's part of it. Part of it is your charisma. Yeah, when I was a kid, we went to this, like, non-denominational church, and, like, our preacher was, like, yeah, very captivating. Everybody loved him. He was very friendly. And he was a good guy. I mean, there was no, like, dark side to him, as far as I know, but there's definitely ones that have a big old dark side. He was caught in a second prostitution scandal in California in 1991. Oh, my goodness. I mean, you like what you like. What was the first one? 88 and then 91, three years later. They had their eye on him. I've sinned against you, my lord. Well, speaking of, what's-his-name just died. Fun times. What's-his-name just died, old Jim Baker. Did he? Yeah. Oh, that's right. Like, a couple days ago. Oh, that's right. And Timmy Faye died, like, a little while back, but poor Jim. Rest in peace, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. And who was the gal? Timmy Faye. No, the other gal that he had the affair with. Oh. Oh, boy. I always get the Clinton scandal. She's very pretty. That one mixed up, like, names-wise. Jessica Hahn. Jessica Hahn. Yeah, that's it. And Jessica Hahn went on to become Sam Kinison's girlfriend. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's interesting. And went on the Howard Stern Show and talked shit about Sam Kinison. That's amazing. God, that's a good one. Yeah. Wow, I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah, that's the connection. Yeah, you should put a video. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah, I never knew that one. Yeah, Jessica Hahn had a fling with Sam Kinison. God. Can you imagine? There she is. She was hot back in the Dizzee. See if there's a photo of Jessica Hahn with Sam Kinison. Look at her. I mean, dirty. My God. Dirty, hot, lots of makeup. That's how I like them. Yeah. Woo! Yeah. Oh, that's her in the- Sam Kinison and Jessica Hahn. Oh, is that the Wild Thing video? Remember when they did Wild Thing, like the cover? Yeah, Wild Thing. That's her. I'm pretty sure that's her. Yeah, that's her. Yeah. Go back to that last picture. She's hot as fuck. Super hot. Woo! Jesus. Jim Baker, let's go. Yeah, so Jim Baker, I mean- Yeah, killing it. I mean, who- How could you fucking be mad at him? I mean, who wouldn't be tempted by that? That's what I'm saying. I have sinned. Oh, my God. I've sinned, my Lord. I mean, it could be worse. It could be the Hugh Grant situation, you know, with Devon Brown. That was a rough one. Like, he, you know, Jim Baker went, the opposite way. Yeah, he was driving around getting street hookers. Yeah. Like, that's what you want. You want somebody to cheat on somebody with a- Hot. Yeah. Hot. Because then it's like, God damn. Yeah, hot. Big eyes. There he is. Sin. Boy, what a good actor. Oh, they all kind of are. For me, he will be that photo with him and Jerry Lewis forever. Yeah. The young man. You look in that young man's eyes. Yeah. The darkness. Do you ever watch Great Balls of Fire? Yeah. It's an Alec Baldwin, isn't it? Plays as Jimmy Swagger. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, and Dennis Quaid is Jerry Lewis. Dennis Quaid was awesome as Jerry Lewis. He's great. I love him big, Dennis Quaid. Oh, he's great. You ever seen Breaking Away? That's another one. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, there they are. Wow. It's actually, like, perfect casting. Yeah. Like, Alec Baldwin is a good, a pretty, like, convincing Jimmy Swagger. I haven't seen that movie in a long time. Oh, yeah, me either. There's Winona Ryder, too, I think, isn't it? That played the cousin that he married. Yeah. She's the one that went crazy and started stealing things. That was awesome. Yeah. Oh, my God. I think people just, like, the pressure of that kind of fame and that life is just, for a lot of people, it's just too much. They just go crazy. Oh, they're all nuts. I mean, James Brown was a lunatic. Oh, James Brown was amazing. He tried to kill Joe Tex at a restaurant. I mean, at a club. I mean. He got in a shootout with the cops in a high-speed chase because someone was using his bathroom. Someone was taking a shit in his personal bathroom. Which is actually understandable. Yeah. Yeah, it was, like, across four states, wasn't it? Oh, that's one of my favorite videos ever is that news interview. Oh, my God. It's like, we don't need to ask him. You're out on bail. Straight from the source. I'm out of love. I mean, he just keeps, like, reciting his song lyrics. He's like, I feel good. Shooting erupts over James Brown's height. His height. Him and his friend. Nobody just. Police in Atmore say a man shot his friend when the two of them were in a car accident. Two of them argued over James Brown's height. Oh, was it James Brown? I thought it was two. I just thought it was two. Oh, that's hilarious. The guy died. He got shot and killed. He was 73 years old. He got killed over an argument. It was unclear exactly how tall he was. I don't know. All right, Cody. Listen, man. Thank you very much for being here. Oh, absolutely. Always fun to talk to you. Dude, thanks for having me again. My pleasure. Yeah. Like I said, I love your page. Your book is Where'd That Come From? The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases. Cody Tucker, Out and Out. Is there an audio version of this? No, not yet, but I am working on one. I got the person who did the graphics, which I got to give a shout out, Carly. Amazing job with making it look like an old school book. It does. Yeah, her husband's a comic, KP Burke, a great dude. He does a lot of this kind of stuff, like the long form history stuff. Oh, so he's going to read it? No, no, no, but I'm just saying, hey, he just does that. He's a very interesting guy you should check out at some point. Does really cool history, like long form videos. Oh, where? What is his, does he have a channel? What is it called? I don't know the channel. What's his name? KP Burke. He does stuff with like the SDR, you know, like Ralph Sutton and like Jason Ellis and like all those guys. Oh, okay. Yeah, good dude, but his wife set everything up and she's going to do like the audio book and everything. Oh, dope. But are you going to read it? No, I'm going to read it. Okay, good. Beautiful. You got to read it. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that would be very disappointing if you. No, I'm definitely going to read it. All right. Beautiful. Well, thanks for being here, brother. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.