#2563 - Dan Richards

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Danny hey Joe good to see you brother good to see you again man so right off the bat you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet it's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls including like diagrams yeah not Peruvian these are from the Pacific Northwest oh from Washington this is one of the things where I wanted to really bring up to you the majority of the elongated skulls in recorded history are from Washington State well yeah now are these manipulated yes sir yes sir they were manipulated by people as a matter of fact when Lewis and Clark reached the the Columbia River they passed the Cascade Mountains all of the Native Americans west of the Cascades had artifacts artificially modified skulls look at the title of the book the Chinook sign of freedom if you didn't have an artificially modified skull you were a slave whoa the Chinook sign of free sign of freedom a study the skulls of the famous chief how do you say his name Concomly Concomly and he was he was um he met with Lewis and Clark during the uh during their expedition um and he was as famous as Sacagawea was a hundred years ago um but he's just disappeared um he had an artificially elongated school a bunch of images um talk about it he attributed his intellect to his artificially elongated skull um what yeah that he they believed how would you know though they don't they did it when you're a baby exactly but that's what they all believed and there is actually something to this is one of the things that's really interesting that I've stumbled on is you know Neanderthal if you look at um the difference between a Neanderthal brain case and a human brain case is a huge difference like I have an image if you don't mind Jamie you can throw it up there if you don't care um but it's all in the back it's like there's a thing called Chiari malformation type one where the base of your cerebellum falls into your spinal cord and it causes migraines and all kinds of stuff and scientists now are saying that it probably came from us and Neanderthal brain case skull not quite fitting and if you think about it actually makes a lot of sense right I mean the Neanderthal skull is way wide in the back and that's where all of your motor skills you're smelling you're seeing you're hearing yeah they were more primitive they're probably super athletes and that the real the weird question is like were they smart and how smart were they like their frontal lobe is not as big as ours correct correct and that's where all the thought processing and decision making comes from so they probably had insane athletic ability oh yeah absolutely and motor skills and visual ability the visual ability is important because look at the size of their eyes sockets now imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds so you were you were breeding these two species together look at the jaw on that motherfucker imagine trying to knock that guy out forget about it although they had chests like barrels too right it's like they all look like you do naturally they don't have to lift they just they just that way they probably look a lot more impressive than me well well the guy on the left he looked he looked like me naturally I mean do you remember that one I think it's just nonsense but there's just one guy who proposed the idea of Neanderthals being uh like gorilla looking like super predators and he thought that the eyes were bigger so they could see at night and he had like this crazy but it was very eating us all yes right right right very sensationalist nonsense and the genetic evidence is what you know yeah that guy yes it's fucking dope though the idea that I love it see in the dark you know like primate lives in the woods and was like infinitely stronger than us like you just rip our arms right like gorilla strong and but but not smart enough that you could like hey man can you please no no no no he's just gonna eat you oddly enough has a skull that has a larger capacity than us and so then we have to think okay is it just motor skills like do we what do we know about the brains of dolphins well we know that their their brain capacity it's quite a bit larger like I think their core their cerebral cortex I think is like 40 percent larger than a person's yeah so what is that like what's going on with them like how are they so much more intelligent than us but they just can't manipulate their environment so we ignore it well that could be it also could be a degree of chemistry that they can't you know I mean you can't do fire and underwater really so you're kind of stuck with your technological stuff there's no manipulation right so all of their intellect must go into other areas and hunting and but then you find out how horrible they are to each other yeah you know what I mean like the infanticide you know like dolphins female dolphins are very promiscuous and the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male doesn't know if the cubs are his or not if he thinks they might be his he's not going to kill the cubs but if a female has cubs the male will kill the cubs so the female will breed again it's like hey I thought you guys were like the super peaceful fucking smart ones sounds like sounds like kind of like us I don't know a lot of guys who are killing babies so that the women will breed again. But it gets close. Chimpanzees do it. Do they do that? Yeah, they do that kind of stuff. Bears do that. Bears do two things, they think. They think, one, they eat cubs to force the female into breeding again. But, two, they think they just do it for food, which is dark. Yeah, that's arachnid levels of dark, right? Cannibalism is dark. Always. And bears are all cannibals. And this is the thing about people and the anthropomorphification. Is that the word? How do you say it? Anthropomorphification. I want to say pro, but it's po, right? Anthropomorph. Anthropomorph. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. Whatever it is. People humanizing animals. The weirdest one, I think, is bears. And, like, you can train bears. There's bears at the circus. Like, they're an interesting animal. But in the wild. They are some of the fucking most brutal and ruthless creatures. It's basically almost like a giant wild dog, you know? And they tear things apart. And they eat things while they're still alive. They don't care. They don't care. They're fucking horrible. They're horrible to each other. They go into dens and pull out cubs and eat them. Yeah. Just a different set of morality, I guess you could say, or lack thereof. But, yeah, I'm glad I'm not a bear. I'd probably have been eaten as a cub. Or you would have been hit by a car. Or I'd have been hit by a car. That's the rough one. Or caught in a trap and trained to be a dancing ballerina bear or some shit, standing on a ball. The ancient humans, though, to me, are, like, I feel like this is an emerging topic. Even though we've known about Neanderthals for so long, now that they know about Denisovans, now that they know about Homo floriensis. How do you say that? Floriensis? Yeah. That one? Pronunciation. Island of Floriensis. Resman, the hobbit people. Now they know, okay, we've got two very distinct human beings that lived with humans that aren't Homo sapiens. And the Denisovans one is fucking super weird. They're big. 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There's some of the stuff that I got to talk about here is like polydactyly, multiple fingers, more than five fingers and toes on each hand. Yes. That's in the Bible. They talk about the giant. Yes. Polydactyly, if there's a gene, GI, could you pull up the one that says polydactyly paper, please? Thank you. They've been studying this and there's a gene that Neanderthal. Neanderthal and Denisovans had a variant that increases polydactyly. It increases cranial deformations. It increases a bunch of stuff. This is, I mean, they, and this is, and this is all newer stuff. You see, that's 2023. And there's, this is huge. I saw your video on this where you talked about there's one family in Brazil that has like most of their family members have six fingers and six toes. Yeah. They say. It helps them. Of course. Of course. I can grab the ball better. I can play an extra string. Right. Imagine guitar, extra finger. That's nuts. You could even be an ugly dude and seduce a woman when you got an extra finger. Good luck. Chicks don't want to have kids with a guy who has fucking six fingers. I'm some freak kid. In South America, they actually honored that stuff. Of course. They honored, they honored genetic deformations. I honestly believe that they were actively breeding different bloodlines. They were actually doing it in the United States. just outsmart our bodies. That's why Armra Colostrum caught my attention. It's something the body already recognizes and has hundreds of these specialized nutrients for gut stuff, immunity, metabolism, etc. I first noticed it working around training, especially workout recovery. Most stuff falls off, but I am still taking this. If you want to try, Armra is offering my listeners 30% off plus two free gifts. Go to armra.com slash rogan. That's not scientific. This is what I also think. I think there's all this personal stuff that goes on with these people that is so completely unnecessary. I think the only reason why archaeologists get dismissed by these, whatever you would call yourself, amateur. Interested amateurs. Interested amateurs in all things life. And looking at the data and looking at the science of it. And you're really good at it. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. That should be an asset. That's all that should be. That should be an asset to the archaeologists. And if you think they're wrong about something, you should talk to them. Now, I think when he had that conversation with Graham, I think that's the right way to do it. I don't think necessarily he did it in good faith. And I think he wanted to push a certain narrative. And one of the narratives was. The thing that disturbed me the most is. He was trying to label Graham as racist for proposing these theories that there's an advanced civilization that existed before the one that we currently see. Yeah. I don't think that it can be racist. It's human beings. It's not just human beings. It's human beings specifically that live in the very area where those human beings live. So it's their ancestors. So the ancestors of Africans are the ones who built the pyramids, right? Whoever the fuck they were, whether they were the people of 2,500 BC or whether it was even earlier than that, whatever it was, it was the people that live right there. The same people. The same people. So this is crazy. Well, the whole thing is. This is what's really funny. Atlantis. Well, they say, you assume that Atlanteans were white. Ergo, it's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about. You're not asking questions about the Colosseum. It's like, okay, well, the Colosseum has written records. So I know why the Colosseum was built, when it was built, the Parthenon, same thing. But you know what I don't know about that was built by white people supposedly? Baalbek. Baalbek was supposedly built by Romans. We're all doing it there too. It has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with written records. They ignore that. It has nothing to do with this. One of my favorite things to throw out with that is- And Baalbek has no written records of the- Not of the Trilophons. Of the big stuff. Exactly. And how do you not write that down? You haven't done everything. The Romans wrote everything down. They had scribes. Their job was to document everything. They were very concentrated on history. Yeah. Yeah. We went off about this when me and Jimmy Corsetti were here. Yes. But talking about like the Roman foot. Well, if Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in sub-Saharan Africa. It's Africans. I think, honestly, that- I think Atlantis is kind of a catch-all term for a lost civilization that was globe-spanning. Yeah. And like they would call us 10,000 years from now, they would just lump us in with the damn French and call us the electronic civilization. And with the exception of GSP, I don't want to be associated with the damn French. No. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. There's a lot of dope French people. I love Montreal. I love it up there. Speaking of, GSP's going to be at that event. Oh, is he? Yes. He's the best. I love that he's the best. He's doing a podcast. He's a very fascinated guy. He's fascinated and curious about so many things, and he's kind, and he's open-minded, and he's really intelligent. He is so odd. Like when people meet him, and I go, do you know who that is? And they go, no. He's like a really nice guy. I'm like, that is one of the greatest cage fighters that ever lived. They're like, no way. I go, one of the all-time greats, if not the all-time great. I think John Jones is the all-time great. But I think he's in the conversation. George is in the conversation. He's in the conversation. , you're the one that's going to be in the conversation. But yeah, Neanderthal had it. And it's a, again, it's from a lack of equilibrium. They say it's from the brain and the skull not quite fitting. That makes sense. I think in South America, I think that they were mingling different bloodlines, the same as you can look at a guy that plays Reacher and tell that he's probably got more Neanderthal in him than I do. And they would mingle these bloodlines and then they would get all kinds of different, you know, there's a Neanderthal one. They would get all kinds of different genetic variations. And I think some of these were bad, but some of them were honored. Like you've seen the Jaguar people of the Olmec. Mm-hmm. Okay. Have you ever seen, could you pull up the dental dysplasia one, the kid with the two fangs? There's dental things. It'll make you grow fangs as a child. And it also quite often will give you a hair lip. Jaguar? Whoa. And so like, if you look, yeah. And so like- What do you think that's from? Again, this is from, is that some ancient shit where people used to have teeth like that? It's DNA. They're, again, well, we cross mingle DNA. There should be one right there about the mouths with the paper. Sorry, I'll have to pull up the exact title. But those teeth, that's not in any other human primate that we've ever found. No, it happens in ours. So it's just a malformation. A malformation. We have a lot of that, like some people just keep growing teeth, right? Right. Or you get different bones in the head, different shapes of the skull. I've seen the skulls, ancient skulls with rows of teeth. Yeah, yeah. Some of those, like they don't know for sure how many of those are legit. But there's definitely no question that these things happen. That's, again, the real problem with this is it becomes a cover-up. Like a little bit ago I mentioned that there were all these elongated skulls in the Pacific Northwest. Mount Coffin in Longview, Washington, when Colonel Charles Wilkes, or Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, whose father happened to be a member of the Skull and Bone Society in England, when he got to Longview, Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this place where they had these above-ground burials, and there were 3,000 of them. All of them, supposedly, would have had elongated skulls because, again, if you don't have an elongated skull in that neck of the woods, you weren't a free-born person. And this was, you had to be noble to be buried there. 3,000 elongated skulls. When he left, this campfire accidentally burnt the place down. All those skulls disappeared. That image that Jamie skipped past a little bit ago is just a dude sitting on a pile of bones. This is an Indian. This is an Indian burial ground. And they were just looting the things and selling them left and right. Where do you think those things are? In people's hands. I've never heard of a story of a person having an elongated skull in their private collection. I have a couple of people that have commented on my videos saying, like, I saw one at so-and-so's house in 1978, but I'll give you the smoking gun. It makes sense, though, right? If you're, like, some Rockefeller-type guy, you got a mansion in Rhode Island. It's funny you brought up Rockefeller. In the 30s, when Tello, down in Paracas, he saw. He starts putting out, hey, we've got these elongated skulls down there, and I need money. He was getting $300 a year to take care of them. Rockefeller gets wind, and history says flat out, he took an unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped three grand and walked back with four bundles. Now, according to. That's it. Three grand? Yeah, and four grave bundles. That's ten times what Tello was getting a year. Ten times what the guy was getting a year to take care of all of them. He coughs up four out of, like, 300 bundles. Now, those four bundles were supposedly displayed. They're supposed to be at the Met, supposedly displayed at the National History Museum in New York. No photos exist. No drawings exist. They may have been repatriated. They may not have been repatriated. It depends on who you ask. The AI will run you in a damn circle if you're going with it. At the end of the day, we don't know what they look like, but I can tell you this much. There's about 300 of those bundles to pick from. Do you think Rockefeller. If one of them had great big old devil horns and a third eye, do you think Rockefeller left it or took it with him? Did fucking no-brainer shit, right? Right. So the best of the best. Always gone. And when Rockefeller found out that he couldn't go get the ones in the Pacific Northwest anymore, but there was some somewhere else, he ran there. And right now, you sent me the video just a little bit ago, but this is more. These skulls are disappearing off the shelves in the museums right now. Yeah. Right as we speak. This cover-up, there's. This cover-up, I'm sure you've seen the map. A hundred years ago, they drew a map of artificial cranial deformation, and then, like, ten years ago, they made another one. Both of these are on periodicals. This is one of the most well-reviewed papers, and the older map has more information. There's more. The more areas, they've erased. The island of Nui had it. Ancient Hawaiian people had about 8.9% of them that they dig up had elongated skulls. Nobody fucking talks about that. Nobody knows about it. If you want to go look at it, the answer's no. When you say ancient, like what year? Not sure, but it's when they dig them up and they start doing it. Prehistoric, they call it. But prehistoric in Hawaii, you know, maybe a thousand years ago. Wow. So this is all over the world. People are doing that. Well, yeah. And then what you're saying about the brain size and the base of the brain completely makes sense. Thank you. I mean, to me, it seems like the most smoke. And not only does it smoke and gun, it's like it coincides with human evolution because what would be. Imagine you've got a Neanderthal and a Homo sapien. They're talking to each other, trying to figure out a problem. And they both walk away from that with, like, mad respect for the other person's ability to see what they don't. Wouldn't they want to mingle that? So, like, Jamie, could you pull up a picture that I got of that family tree? It's just like an empty, blank, white family tree. And then right after it's the. Like, imagine if you were trying to make a symbol to tell everybody, hey, this is where we mingle bloodlines. So, like, this is a standard kind of thing, right? And could you pull up that candelabra next? It should be like. Sorry. I don't know where it is. Hold on. Sorry. It's that same symbol, basically, with the. The candelabra of the Andes. You've seen that, right? The candelabra of the Andes is visible 12 miles out to sea. Okay. If you think. We're trying to draw the mingling of bloodlines. And here's a symbol of where we're doing it. Fucking doesn't it. I mean, does that kind of look uncanny? And then could you pull up that Paracas textile, Jamie? This one even more. This is when they buried people in Paracas. This was. They'd put them in these textiles. And this one textile, look at that back there. Look at what the. Try to translate that and keep in mind what I was just telling you. Okay. It looks like a monkey on either side and then a person in the middle. And it looks like there's some sort of a transference of something through the top of their heads. Well, that's upside down. Yeah, that's upside down. Well, there's. First of all, it looks like they did DMT. Well, clearly. It looks like they did. There's hours of ayahuasca right there, buddy. 100% they were on DMT. But that does look like two monkeys, right? It looks like they have tails, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. And then the one in the middle looks like the bad motherfucker. That's the boss. That's pregnant. I've met that guy before. You have? I have. I met that guy. I met that guy over there. But you see that. Notice in the middle of the thing, he's got something in his tummy. Uh-huh. I mean, if you think about the same line of reasoning, we're mixing different blood lines to make something more. That image kind of seems to. Also, they always have three fingers and three toes. And then you get to the tridactyl mummies. And I do. Yeah, look at the monkeys. I don't know what to think about the tridactyl mummies. Neither do I. It's honestly like. I'm of the opinion now that I think that the genetic stuff they were doing in South America, down in Peru, created a lot of artificial. Created a lot of natural weird problems. And some of them would be. Like misshapen skulls. And then I think they would wrap the heads to artificially modify them. And I think that's why down there they get so crazy looking is because it's a combination of genetics and of artificially playing with it. Okay. The rest of the world, they don't get that cone-head shape. So do you think maybe they had like a bulbous roundish head but extra large? Because there's those skulls as well that seem to be not deformed, but they do have a larger brain capacity. Yeah. The ones that are bulbous in the back, those are. That's the most common type of. Cranial deformation that you see. It's what. Concomly skull, the chief that I was showing you. It's. Can you pull that one up, please, Jamie? So bulbous in the back, bulbous. Yeah. That's huge. Yeah. And that, again, that would keep it. And now notice, even back 100 years ago, that picture that he was just showing, the other photograph, why isn't his skull elongated? Well, it's hard to tell because he's looking straight on. It could be. All of the artistic work of him is lacking. Yeah. For some reason. Right. But couldn't you see that if some. Oh, that one looks pretty elongated. God, go back to that. That's crazy. That was. Imagine meeting those dudes. You'd be like, yo, what are you? Check, check, check. And look, they're doing it to the baby right there. Oh, the poor kid. Imagine being a baby. You're fucking strapped into that thing. Oh, man. There's. In this book here, it quotes from a book called Astoria that used to be required reading up where I live in. There's a guy that witnessed them. One of these kids. One of these kids being. They're headbinding. It said that their eyes bulged out of their skull like a mouse caught in a trap. Oh, my God. So when you think about that. Oh, my God. But if your kid was going to have migraines incessantly for the rest of their life. This episode is brought to you by Traeger. Food cooked over real wood is just on another level. And that's why Traeger is such a game changer. 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Imagine meeting that guy. You would be freaked out. That would not look at all like a person. You would think, oh, my God, this guy's from another planet. Yeah. And then there's the sagittal suture thing that some of them don't have the sagittal suture that we have. Yeah. That's, yeah, again, these papers. Look at that head. Look at that head, man. Also, look at the size of the eye sockets. Yeah. The eye sockets are fucking huge. That person must have insane eyeballs. Imagine what their eyes would look like when they're looking at you. I mean, how much bigger is that than a human's eye socket? It's so much bigger. That must have been a wild-looking dude. Imagine bringing that guy over your house for a party. Your friends would be like, yo, who's the guy who keeps reading everybody's mind? I don't know shit, huh? No, I'm not playing. If you were playing trivia, he's on my team. That guy's the freakiest one, man, the one on the left. But what you're saying might be accurate, right? That that might have been a rounded thing that was manipulated to be a flattened thing. Yeah, I think that it was partially natural, like even the sagittal suture. This is one of the things they find with Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA. That one on the right, is that real? Yeah. Is that AI? Is that horseshit? That's fucking real? Come on, man. What are we looking at? And someone stole that. Someone's got that in their fucking Rhode Island mansion. Of course. You know those Bronze Age or Gilded Age mansions that they have? Very weird, man. I got into a YouTube rabbit hole the other day of Bronze Age. Bronze Age or Gilded Age mansions in Newport, Rhode Island, where all these fucking super rich creepy people set up their castles. It's nuts, man. I guarantee if you get in the room, there's a fucking glass box, and inside of it, there's one of these skulls. It looks like it's from another planet. Well, yeah, and it's weird to me that they're hiding all this. Somebody's hiding all that. Well, it's. Maybe not just somebody, but there's. There's definitely money behind it, because it happens so fast, and it happens. I will link an article in a video, and it'll be dead in two weeks, and I'll have to go fucking find. I've got three different ways to find this one thing right now, and I've downloaded it, because it just keeps disappearing, and it's what talks about Rockefeller buying the skulls, and it's just. Is someone scrubbing the internet of the Rockefeller scub skull stories? Oh, it still shows up, but. Do you think it's because someone has them, and they're like, shut the fuck up? I'm 100% those people. That's cool. History says that he either repatriated them, or he left them in the museum, and it's like it. So, and then I ask, you ask, well, what's the catalog numbers? Oh, well, there are no catalog numbers for human remains. Okay, fuck you. I know better than that. And the ultimate. What really gets me is this. They gave me the same excuse for Papua New Guinea as they do for China, as they do for Easter Island, as they do for Hawaii, as they do for the Pacific Northwest, as they do for Paracas. Well, it's about. It's about protecting the indigenous peoples. And they don't want you to have their skulls, because then that would be like you have part of their souls. It's like, okay, I can understand that some of them might think this way, but we got Mennonites in Pennsylvania that don't believe that, and they're sitting right next door to their friends that do believe that. How am I supposed to accept that the entire Pacific Rim fucking all falls into line? We can't get them to do that same shit in Pennsylvania? I don't buy it. This is a European thing. This isn't an islander thing. This isn't a Polynesian thing that's covering these things up. These people are perfectly content to have their skulls displayed, as far as we can tell. But it's always some white dude going, oh, we're going to hide those fucking skulls because we've got a peasy. At the end of the day, please put all your shit in the museum so that we can keep a good eye on it for you. Can I see it? Fuck you. It's gone. Fuck you. It's gone. Try to find this online. You'll find an image that says, no image available that has a title. And that's it. There was one. Last I looked, there was one copy that was in a library in Malta. And you really think that's because someone's in possession of this stuff and they're trying to squash it? I think that there's a narrative there that people don't want pushed. I think that it might have something to do with. I mean, let's be honest. What I'm talking about, when you start talking about mingling different bloodlines for different traits, this does sound awfully eugenics, right? This does sound like it's dipping your toes into this kind of politically incorrect, stuff. But how is it eugenics if people just interbred? I believe there was a program in Paracas. Really? Could you pull up one of the pictures of the person presenting the. When they would bring their. Those jaguar babies, right? The jaguar people in the Olmec Society had the hair lip and the things like I was showing. There's more than one statue of them presenting them. There you go. Ta-da! Here's my baby. This baby's all fucking mutilated, not like me. Ta-da! Here you go. That baby doesn't look mutilated. That's not a very good image, but yeah. Is there any. That one looks normal. It just looks like a mother with a baby. If you look at the top down, both of those, they have hair lips. And they're missing the teeth. They are jaguar babies. Like that one. That last image. That's a trophy skull. The only trophy skull known with a cleft lip. If you were born with a cleft lip, even the Spanish recorded, if you were born with a cleft lip to their people, they would put you in a temple as part of the workers. You were considered holy. Six Fingers was considered holy. Deformations were considered holy. And this trophy skull, what do you mean by that? I mean that this is like a mummified skull with a hole drilled in it. I wish I could get a real image, but this is the only one that exists. So somebody has that somewhere? In a museum? Or somewhere, yeah. Somewhere. But yeah, there's a bunch of these trophy skulls that they kept down in South America. They would wear skulls on their belt. They didn't shrink them or nothing. They'd just drill a hole right in the fucking thing and hang it right on their belt. Yeah. But that one was especially prized because that was a noble. You're walking around with a noble person's skull hanging from your belt? That's how they would wear them? I'm a badass. Wow. Yeah, that part of the world was never. So you think there's a potential that they were creating, they were breeding people specifically? Yeah. I think that they would like pick bloodlines and be like, you know what? You look more like, and you look more like, and you need to have a baby together and then, here's the baby. Oh, we got a good one. It's a jaguar. So what do you think the whole tridactyl thing is? I think some of the tridactyl mummies look fake as fuck to me, just to be clear. The tiny ones look really fake. Yeah, the ones that look like cake. But the ones that they do the CAT scans of, you're like, wow. And then you find out that they're like at least 1,200 years old. You're like, are you telling me that 1,200 years ago someone created this? I think DNA would be a good way to get into that to begin with. I know. Yeah. I mean, it's just weird that this is all going on and we don't have definitive answers and there's not also like a mad rush among scientists to discover are these two trophy skulls? Yeah. Oh, this one just has a drill hole in the forehead and a rope attached to it. That's how they did it, man. They didn't even fucking clown around. With the skin on it and the hair. So this person's just walking around with someone's head wrapped around their waist. The description I just read said they were most, I mean, the ones that they found were young women. Oh. Like 13 to 16 years old. Oh, God. But I don't know if that's what these are. Wow. One of them looks like a woman. The one on the right looks like a woman. That looks like my last. That's so crazy. That's where things get so weird. When you go back and you realize that entire cultures, they engaged in ritual sacrifice at a mass scale. Like what the Aztecs did. They did wild mass sacrifice and their culture was so, it involved sacrifice so much that they would go out and get other people. And that's one of the reasons why Cortez was able to group all these other people to attack the Aztecs. These motherfuckers have been killing us ritually forever. Yeah, we're happy to kick these guys' ass. Oh, wait, you're not going to help us out afterwards? One of my favorite stories about that afterwards is they're like, okay, we need all you guys to bring all your codices here so that we can put them on these shelves. And so like all these Mesoamerican codices show up and the Spanish friars like torch fucking watches them all burn. And there's like a handful left that exists now. I know. They just bought like three years ago, they bought those ones from a family in Mexico that had had them for like 500 years. And one of them talks about the building of Teotihuacan. Whoa. And the Mexican government bought it for like 250 grand. It was like, like, I was telling Matt Bell, and Matt Bell's like, that's fucking nothing. Is that a dope trope? Some of these are fucking sick. Ancestor chief skull. Wow. Hold on, though. Wait till I get to some of these down here. Holy shit. So now imagine if this is real. These are crazy. Oh, man. Are you sure they aren't from Hellraiser? This is like straight out of The Predator. Yeah. So these were found in Asia. What? My dear God. Some of this looks almost like this is from out of a movie set. Well, they've glued tusks onto some of the skulls. What the hell is that? Whoa. Go back up a little bit. That looks like something out of Warhammer. Yeah, that one on the right with the horn coming out of his nose. What the fuck? Human child trophy skull. What the fuck, man? How did I never hear about this before? How about the one with the headsets on? That one's got headphones on. I don't know. What the fuck, man? Why does it say info, email? Are you selling these? Yeah, I mean. Oh. I stumbled across something here. It does say art. Art. Tribal art Asia, which is doing some weird shit. Yeah, that actually doesn't look like a skull. That looks like it's carved out of wood. Like the nose part, it's all filled in. Can you imagine if you found out there was a website you could just order trophy skulls? That's what I was looking for. I was finding these recreated ones on Etsy that people are making. Oh. It says it's a replica. Lord. But. What kind of a fucking Etsy is this? What kind of a fucking Etsy person? Made by monster. That's that kind of person. It's like I ain't even trying to hide it. I'm a monster. I'm a fucking dude with an Etsy page of just skulls. That's wild. Boy. But, you know, even some of these Olmec heads have hair lips. Like I got a picture that saved on one of those that has it. And again, if you mingle Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA with human DNA, this is a thing. You end up with facial deformations, including hair lips. I think it's real, bro. What? Early 20th century diac and sized trophy skull. And it's got a name. It costs a lot of money. And they say where it came from. You could buy that? Yeah. Talking about. Log in for the price. Do you think that. Can you imagine if we had a fucking skull, human skull on the desk? That's too creepy. That is. Because we don't know how the guy died or the woman died. From a private collection. From Thousand Oaks, California. Oh, wow. See how many private collections are out there. I was telling. See if you can find elongated skull for sale. I was telling you about Concomly. That's how I got here. I was looking. I was telling you about that Chief Concomly. He was a huge friend to the honkies that came through that area. He married off his daughters to fur trappers. He cried when they moved the fort 30 miles away. He was like. He was. A bunch of braves came up and said, we're going to go kill all these white guys. He's like, hey, hey, hey. Do you see how tight they're tightly woven their cloth? Do you see how strong their weapons are? Do you see any of their kids or their women? Do you think this is all they're capable of? Or do you think they're going to bring more to bear when they bring their families with them? Let's not fuck with these guys. He was really shrewd and smart. He died three years later. Some British dude chopped his fucking head off. They actually had hit him. Instead of these above ground canoe burials, they'd hit him because they knew. Dude chops his head off, ships the skull back to England. And it wasn't until this. This came out five years after they'd repatriated the skull to the Chinook people. But yeah, they actually. Carved on the back of his fucking head even. Like, yeah, here, Chief Concomly. Here's his skull. Here's a friend. If you can't see it, they engraved that on the back of his skull. Oh, my God. It's like so horrific. And like, so you can see why the Smithsonian might be a little hard pressed in letting this stuff out. Well, the Peruvian skulls, though. And you look at them and you look at the monster rod. Do you think there's more to this story? Is this as simple as cranial deformation plus they do it on purpose? Or is there a potential for a different species of human that live there? There's almost certainly, in my opinion, a different species of human that live there. And I mean, even, you know, I'm not into the ancient alien stuff. But in all honesty, I wouldn't be. If there was aliens intermingling with humans, this would probably be the best. Smoking gun place for it. There's also all the evidence that they were building art that you could only see from the sky. Which is really weird. And even things like that candelabra of the Andes, that's visible again, 12 miles out to sea. Easter Island's close enough. Imagine the guys jumping down from right here, from Portland, Oregon, just jumping down the coasts to Paracas. Were you drawn the conclusion that that represents genetic engineering? I wouldn't have drawn it to begin with, but it looks like a family tree. Like with everything else lined up, all this stuff. It's like, well, I mean, if you're trying to say, hey, guys, this is where we do this. What symbol would you use? Right. And that's where, okay. Again, if this was in a vacuum, that's not how I got there. This is kind of the icing on the cake, is the Paracas candelabra and that textile thing. The honest to God evidence is, I mean, there's a lot of papers, a handful of papers that I've got screenshots of there. But you pick your genetic deformation and then Google it with Denisovan or Neanderthal. Darren fucking teed. Hydrocephalus, that big skull thing that I showed there. You see a few of those in Paracas with those great big things. Hydrocephalus is something that's, the frequency is increased when you mingle Denisovan or Neanderthal DNA. It's a constant issue. That candelabra image, does that image appear in other areas? It actually does. It's crazily enough, it appears in Easter Island on skulls that are carved with that same image. Whoa. I didn't put any in the file, but I've got them in a video. There's two of them that they have. One is like a straight line and then one's like a bird man kind of, but it's the same image. It's the same. When you say skull, do you mean human skull? I mean, decorated like those we were just looking at. So a dead human that has that on their head. That they'd scratched it in afterwards like that. There's a, the Easter Island had elongated skulls, but almost all of those are gone. And they're hard to find images of. There's images of like impossible, but they do have these and they were, like they would do artwork on skulls after they would die. And a few of them do strongly resemble the candelabra of the Andes. And is that candelabra, is that anywhere else down there? Not that I'm aware of. Not that I've seen. Can I see that again, please? The candelabra? Because the family tree thing, it's like, is it the same configuration on the Easter Island heads? Um, or is it similar? The, uh, it's, it's not identical, but it's really close. What, look for, uh, Easter Island modified skull, Jamie, and that'll probably pull up the, uh, it'll be a paper. I doubt you'll find it, uh, I doubt you'll find it in the images section. But if you click all, there should be a paper that, um, yeah, maybe I have to go to Google Scholar to find it. I apologize. But, uh, yeah, there's, there's artwork on these things and a handful of them that is, uh, there's artwork on a few, on two of them in particular that's got that, that same fork symbol. And one of them, they, they call a bird, a bird man. There we go. Bam. There's the bird man. And then they're on the same page. You should see. Good job, Jamie. You're fucking pimp. See, they did a bunch of art on these skulls. But two of them. Two of them have that same symbol. Do they show that here? They're right there. Oh. Hmm. No, it's got that thing. Similar. Super similar. Yeah, not identical for sure, but it's, it does have the same three things forking together to make one. So it's just a theory that that's the tree of life. Yeah. Or that's the family tree, rather. Yeah. No, it's, that's totally, again, that, that, the family tree thing is completely, uh, completely my thing. Um. I'm way more. This one represents a penis entering a vulva. Right in the back of the head. That's that. He drew it on his head. That guy was like the earliest bad tattoo art ever. Maybe they were honoring a person's ability to deep throat. Oh, this far back. Right. The fucker gave you a skull, you knew it. X marks the spot. But yeah, again, I, I, the, the, the imagery and stuff, I can't be a hundred percent all right. I mean, you can never be a hundred percent on any of this stuff, but the genetic, those, those worming bones I showed you on the back. They call them Inca bones for a reason, because they show up in the Inca. They, the Incas have a higher, the South American in Peru, they have a higher instance of cleft palates. They have a higher instance of polydactyly. They have, just pick your fucking thing that's in line with all this. And it, it happens more there than it does almost anywhere else in the world. And then when you see everything else, the elongated skulls that frankly beggared belief, um, imagery and stuff that seems to, uh, the way that they praised genetic deformations, it seems. It seems almost unthinkable. They wouldn't be trying to imagine if everybody in your society praised kids that were looked a certain way, wouldn't you necessarily, I mean, wouldn't some people want to have kids that look that way. Right. And there was probably some benefit that also came with that. Exactly. You know, again, intellect, they went well, something, even if it was just a social, even, even the kid could be, think about this one person born with those weird teeth and a cleft palette. That's also a little Einstein. Oh, it takes one from every now on. It's like you, this guy looks like. It's like Einstein. Right, right, right, right. He's cool. This episode is brought to you by better help. Sometimes it can feel like you're carrying the weight of the world. world on your shoulders. And for guys, especially, it can feel like you have to carry that burden on your own. 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You're like, okay, if this really has been carbon dated to 1200 years ago, if that's legit, what is that? Because I don't think that 1200 years ago people were capable of recreating something like that that's going to survive in a CAT scan. Why would you do the kind of work that they did? Why would you do the kind of work that they did that you could only see from a CAT scan? Because the entire outside of it is covered. Yeah. Right? It's got the white clay, and it's all mummified, and there's tissue that's mummified. Yeah. How? No, that's. How the fuck did you do that? That's a very. I mean, that's a good point. And again, the one gene that's responsible for polydactyly in mice, when they introduced it to. Gli3 variant that happens in Denisovans and Neanderthal in mice caused extra ribs, extra vertebrae, skull misshapen, dental morphology fucked up, and sometimes extra fingers. Sometimes good extra fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers. Did the mice figure out how to get out of the cage? I don't think so. I knew they started getting really smart. They started leaving notes. Scratched notes in the window, let me out. Pinky, today we conquer the world. Well, do you think the Smithsonian has had giant. Giant bones. Yes. Not only that, but. This is funny. When I was here last time, I would have told you, I don't think so. I mean, maybe six foot five, but I've done a lot of research in it since then. Fuck. Okay. One dude who I'm sure I'll get his name wrong, his name was Ales Heidlicka. He was a guy from Hungary who was a medical doctor. He had this theory that's a lot like the same theory of phrenology, like Leonardo DiCaprio poking on the back of a skull. Boy, that makes you docile. Yeah. Except for it was all encompassing with the skeleton. He believed that you could do it with arm bones and leg bones and all of it. So he left medical science to become an anthropologist to push that narrative. He fucking said it point blank. And then he goes out and says, oh, all these Indian bones that you guys have that are bigger than white people bones? Didn't happen. This guy's got a vested interest in proving that white people are the skeletons and he comes out and debunks all the giant bones and the way he did it he's like oh see these bones these aren't giant bones it's like dude that's yeah when i get pulled over by the cop i pull out the i don't have any drugs on me officer see these are cigarettes what year is this again uh 1930s and there are there images of these bones this guy's displaying very very little it's almost all this has just been scrubbed it's so what was he saying those bones were he was just saying that he said that people miss mismeasured them this is what it gets really really ugly it's he accuses people some of these guys were really good at their job and he'll accuse them of mismeasuring them and not knowing how to properly apply a tape measure and the worst example of this in 1959 20 years after this dude's on this one the dude in charge of the department of the humanities at the carnegie museum dr don dergu dug up in one of these adena mounds a a skeleton and he says according to the in-ground measurements this indicates an individual that in life would have been seven foot three inches tall they debunk it by saying well this is just an in-ground measurement this is just it has he didn't do any other uh any other work with it or anything it's like the man flat out said it indicates he was is 1959 15 years after they had all the mathematical formula for doing skeletons this guy they threw him straight under the fucking bus to debunk that skeleton that you can't find anywhere because they won't show it to you so it's like and this was in 59 again and a guy in charge of a big department of the carnegie museum not dan digging in the backyard so is there a chain of custody of that skeleton like can that be traced all the way to the carnegie museum where we don't know what happened to it now this is this is a consistent issue with these remains if it's a giant bone or an elongated skull and you want to know more about it a real good chance you're not going to be able to find anything so what do you think was going on do you think there was a completely different species of enormous people maybe or maybe even just some of us that had the different just some some different dna in us than somebody else you know just a little bit of you know i mean honestly six finger six toe thing well keeps coming up yeah that's um again you know we get that now with just a little bit of neanderthal dna right so you get a different species that had more denis of an in them than us and still technically might be the same species but not do you think it's possible that these giants were denisovans it's possible because denisovans were a lot larger than us right yeah at least six inches i say and if you had a big one like this shack right yeah and there's me you know what i mean like if you have a really big one like isn't it possible that there's a range of even those things like we only have a couple bones right and i think there's something that just came out from china yeah about homo juluensis you know that they think it might be denisovan that might be the same thing right yeah dragon man the same thing that's been out for a little bit now but yeah there there was something that was like super recent where they were proposing because i think they're trying to figure out what what we're talking about but we're talking about it from just a couple of bones there's not a lot it's not like they had a whole graveyard filled denisovans with various heights and weights and they can get an estimation of what they're talking about but they can get an estimation of like what the medium was oh yeah the vast majority of what we know about them comes from dna right vast majority yeah so we have a few bones yeah but then it's like how big how big were they like is this a 12 foot tall person is that real although there's five foot tall people and there's nine foot tall people exactly what's the tallest person today like eight foot alive now i'm not sure but like robert wadlow was like but he had like a real problem yeah oh yeah giant gigantism that's like a tumor on the pituitary gland you just keep on growing yeah um but i think that just for just an outsized enormous person i think the record today is like okay eight foot 2.8 inches in 2011 yo sultan cosen of turkey okay come on man guy lives in turkey this is like the one of the oldest dna's in the world where gobekli tepe is how we know is this guy a giant holy crap what size of that guy holy what does he look like when he's standing up put him over there okay and he doesn't even look like he has gigantism does he i don't know he just looks like a giant dude he doesn't have like a misshaped head or anything like that um either way pretty impressive now i'm at now is that imagine is that is that a gene thing like is that is that capable of being is that old is that old dna from some other kind of human or is that just a really big person that's a different guy that's a guy in china right and these six finger six toes once is that ubiquitous is that does that occur in all of the reports of these bodies no it doesn't um some of them have uh two two rows of teeth some of them have six six fingers and six toes what is like i got pretty skeptical about because there's a lot of giant reports in america where people were doing this and they were doing digging up mounds and so i got kind of skeptical about who i was taking it from like uh you know joe farmer i just was like okay i'm you know maybe not but if the guy was it's like some of these guys were really good at what they did and it's Say they recorded something and it was – so there's probably a dozen solid accounts that are from people that weren't bullshit artists that had more to lose than they did to gain. And some of them were – two of them in particular are like good scientists, like well-known anthropologists respected in their field and they were finding giant bones. And even today, like that guy that I told you about, Dr. Don Dragoo, there is an anthropologist right now that – like two or three years ago, she debunked his work by claiming that he just did an in-ground measurement and that was it. And it's like he clearly said this indicates an individual that was this tall in life. It's like I did a measurement on this and it indicates that's clearly telling you I didn't just take a dead measurement. And they just throw his ass right under the fucking bus in order to keep this narrative going. And that's where it's weird to me because I don't think – Flint. Dibble and all of his friends give two shits about the giant narrative like Rockefeller does. I think it's way more of an ego thing with them because archaeology is not a fucking science, Joe. Not even close. It functions like a science like religion does. So these guys, they all know it. They know they're LARPing as scientists. They know when they call us science deniers, they're full of shit. So they just have – the only thing they can do is puff their chest because – Well, some of it is science, right? Sure, some of it is. But let me put it to you like this. So why are you saying – Archaeology is a science. Archaeology is a study of human culture by material remains. Okay? Now, science, the cornerstone of science is replicability, arguably. If I combine hydrogen and oxygen and you combine hydrogen, we should get the same thing. Now, if I dig up something in my backyard, can you replicate that? Or are you beholden to – what if Joseph Smith digs up gold plates and I dig up an arrowhead? You believe one and not the other? Right, but you can put protocols in place where you have a bunch of – You have a bunch of people that are all responsible for making sure that everything goes according to plan and they all report to someone else. But how is it replicable? Well, it's not replicable, but they are exposing these ancient remains and they are using – You can use some scientific – Carbon dating. Absolutely. They're using physics there. That's physics, right? That's what it really comes down to. Fundamentally, archaeology cannot be scienced. Any more than theology. Fundamentally, a miracle, you either believe it or you don't. I dug up something in my backyard, you either believe it or you don't. You can't replicate either one of these things. Right, but you can film people pulling things out of the ground. Would you like – You can prove that it's old. You can – But there's a lot of instances where, like, they're doing a construction dig in Mexico City and they find, like, stone. They stop construction. Archaeologists come in. Like, there's a whole chain of custody of where this stuff's coming from. Absolutely. So isn't that kind of scientific? Kind of. I mean, again, there's a chain of custody on the Epstein letters, right? Right. But at a point, it falls apart because of do you believe or do you not? That's what it really comes down to with archaeology is I can't replicate the findings. And if you can't replicate – I'm not saying it's worthless. Right. A historian knows better than to call themselves a scientist. They know it's not – they use scientific methods. A video game speed runner, if you know what that is. Somebody who's trying to, like, beat Super Mario Brothers. They use science. So you'll put an archaeologist more in the line of a historian. Absolutely. Yeah. Both of them call somebody else when it comes time to carbon date. You know, it's – they – again, the reproducibility is crucial. And, like, the argument that they always go to is, well, like, well, astronomy is not reproducible. If you have a supernova, you can't reproduce that. Well, yeah, except I have 100 telescopes all trained on it. Right. So this guy's data set and that guy's data set, jibe, it's been reproduced. If I've got one arrowhead to dug up out of the ground, we either believe that this dude dug up the arrowhead out of the ground or we don't. And this especially matters when it comes to these unique one-off finds. It's one thing when it's an arrowhead. It's another thing altogether when it's the Antikythera mechanism. Right. And so this is where our archaeology becomes – some people – you could understand why somebody might believe the Antikythera mechanism is bullshit. And at that point, it's – It goes directly to what I'm saying. It's faith-based. Does this coincide with my worldview or not? Which is why archaeology is like this huge split between these people that – guys that are trying to puff their chests and say that it really is what they claim it to be. And then there's the people that are actually just doing good work. And they'll be quick to tell you, you know, at the end of the day, our results aren't – you know, we do science where we can, but we can't say for sure that our results are – scientific because we're – it's a lot of guesswork at the end. And that becomes a problem when they do things like Clovis first. When they're like, we're going to use our science to beat everything else off the table. It's not fucking science, bitch. So get it out of here. And that's where – yeah, the same thing like I was saying earlier with the COVID thing. You don't get to – too many of us know what the scientific method is for you just to come in here and tell us it's something else. 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And even on the Wikipedia page of the Folsom tradition, it still says now that any archaeologist desirous of a successful career could not posit an earlier date for the peopling of the Americas or him, and one other dude would destroy their fucking careers. This isn't the first time. It's been going… It's ego. Well, again… And it's men mostly, right? It's human men and their egos, and wanting to be the gatekeeper of information. I'm an expert. The authority. I'm the authority figure. Yeah. Well, imagine the shot to the ego it takes to be a guy like Flint. You study all your time and you study all this crap, and then Graham comes along and he studies and he writes a fake… History. And you write a fake history and his sells more. Oh, man. That's just going to cry right up in his ass. And it does. Well, they just don't like also that someone comes along and they're super obsessed with a subject, and they're not confined by the academic world where they have to get funding to do certain studies, they have to get things approved, they want to get tenure, they have to get the approval of the higher-ups. There's all sorts of stuff that happens in the academic world that doesn't happen in the world of… Yeah. I mean, we have the Jimmy Corsettis and the Luke Caverns and these people that could just go to places and start filming. You know, Ben Van Kirkwood can just go places and start filming and become huge experts in this stuff. I mean, the information that's available about the old kingdom, about all these things, it's all available. Like, anyone can read it if you take the time and if you really dive into it, and these guys have dove into it. Yeah. And a lot of these other guys haven't. No. And that's the thing. And they're a little lazy. Maybe not lazy, but let's say this, not as obsessed. Yeah. Well, they should look at the Ben Van Kirkwicks as a resource. Thank you. I've been saying this one for a long time, but they do the opposite. I'll give you a perfect example, Jimmy Corsetti two years ago on X Post, "I wonder if the in the bible where the denisovans are neanderthal or something like that at the time they didn't know denisovans were taller than us so all the archaeologists oh jimmy's stupid the nephilim were supposed to be taller than us and both of these species are shorter and i even said i'm like i'll just let this go a couple days and i'm gonna show you guys what you're doing wrong and i let him go at it and then i was like okay let's try this as a science communicator let's try it like this hey jim those ones are shorter than humans but there are other species of archaic hominid like gigantopithecus that were taller than us that might fit the bill why don't you look into that and see what you find you take somebody's passion they're looking at the rabbit hole you shove them in head first that's science communication telling them the rabbit hole ain't fucking there clover you're that's being a con well i also think we should all operate all human beings under this assumption we don't have all the evidence for all the humans that lived we just don't we only have a tiny fraction we have fossilized remains especially when shit gets really old we don't have enough data yeah and if you just operate on we don't have enough data which is pure pure everyone should agree on that that's so once you have then say okay this is the data we have and this points to the fact that new humans are emerging that we're finding and we might be wrong about the number that existed and potentially there could be a cave somewhere in siberia or wherever and they find another bone and they go holy shit what is this one this is a totally different kind of person exactly and now you have another one and you have another one and who knows how many of them there were and this will give us a richer understanding of what took place and then i think michael buttons has a really good video where he's talking about how anatomically human anatomically similar humans existed a long time ago like why would we assume that civilization and complex thinking and tool making and technology only emerged in the last couple hundred years when the exact same species existed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years ago isn't it possible that something some some human a long time ago had figured out some stuff and we have no evidence no evidence of it anymore because of just natural wear and the weathering and the earth absorbs things there's nothing left yeah that seems more logical yeah i completely agree yeah i love mike he's great uh to michael button yeah he's he's great it's one of the things honestly i'd just uh really quickly i've loved watching the last year and a half since i've been on here left why you just kind of went through my litany of friends and stuck them in this chair one after the fucking other man's like hey that's luke hey i know that cock i know that guy that was really good to see man um but uh fun it's a fun time it's a fun time to get cool people to talk about cool shit and and and the the passion that these guys have like you say that's honestly um it's a huge thing you know duncan gave me a really good uh really good compliment duncan trussell saying that i was like that i was all passionate like a fucking um well what's that guy that did all calculus and stuff the old old school uh sir isaac newton and i was like damn i don't think i'm like that but thank you uh probably got as many chemicals in my body but um was isaac newton a tripper no no he was a uh he was an alchemist so he like died of mercury poisoning did he really he this is one of the funniest things i love saying this one on twitter i say it once every couple years this way the world we live in now where they'll take a scientist and they'll say like yeah but this guy's political opinions are all skewed so fuck this guy it's like you know what they would have done with sir isaac we wouldn't have the theory of gravity or calculus they'd have been like yeah that guy denies the trinity and he's fucking an alchemist why would i put up with this crazy guy's bullshit it's like it's yeah yeah but uh yeah it's it's it's i guess one of the things i've actually come to a lot of terms with on my own little searching in this community is that there's a lot of people that i disagree with on fucking eighty percent but that twenty percent they're if they bring honest data to the table yeah like uh and my best example of this is goes all the way back to uh the 1880s carl christian raffen or the 1830s even uh he was a anthropologist he was he believed that the norse discovered america before columbus and the reason he believed this was because every time he'd see a rock with a glyph on it he's like man them dumb indians didn't know how to carve no fucking rocks granted all their weapons are made out of stone but anyway they don't know how to make this so must have been a white guy so he does research research research research research research research research research research research research research research and eventually finds out that it was the norse that be now he was pissing up a rope with his fucking line of evidence but he did honest research and he got us real data right so i'm finding a lot that i just have to like i really don't like you but okay what do you what do you got to say this is a part of the problem with the atlantis thing and this is why guys like flint always connected to racism because there were a group of people that were white supremacists that believed that the white race was responsible for atlantis but those those are not like credible historians these are also not in the same group of people as graham or you or ben van kirkwick or any of these people no one is saying that so to connect people to something like atlantis where there are problematic people that believed something that was racist just because you're talking about atlantis doesn't mean everybody who's investigating atlantis is also problematic and racist that's crazy well they say well it encourages racism and my god i always jump with they go well you see how many their evidence you see how many white supremacists cite this stuff and i always i always go well you see how many white supremacists cite all kinds of statistics and drink water poverty and crime and all these other things should we should we get rid of all of these statistics too we should just quit anything that a white supremacist might use do you remember the mac tonight commercial with the the big the mcdonald's moon man no you don't remember um years ago but we were kids uh in the 80s when i was a kid in the 80s it's uh oh they had a big moon man guy that was singing a mac the knife parody when the clock strikes half past six babe time to head for golden lights okay about 15 years ago they started using a thing with like some weird voice chat and this guy's and making racist memes does that mean that mcdonald's is fucking racist or does it just mean that racists will co-opt fucking anything including pepe the frog pepe the frog is the best example thank you that poor guy who made pepe the frog that guy was like that's not me and so but so and that's that's exactly what these guys do man we we can't talk about anything without it being racist it's like well that's just a way to dismiss you it's it's a way to and to drag other people in yeah hey man this guy's calling talking shit about the pyramids yeah whatever oh he's also racist oh fuck we got five percent of them came over cool yeah that's yeah it's really pathetic and um you know in all honesty you know i get shit during the election cycles from friends and from fans that for not supporting x y or z and i always tell them the same thing look most of the third or fucking seti the second i talk about ancient history bitch i'm not talking about modern politics that's not what i'm doing it's not and i'm certainly not going to endorse somebody on my platform as a matter of fact why do you care what beyonce says about this shit why do you care about any of these fuck these people aren't political analysts why do you care that much why are you crawling up my ass about well yeah but you know you've got the people want people want us to all be towing a certain it it's it's funny i i swear to god it's like the whole country's got like probably a third of us are little hitlers the whole world would be better if everybody just thought just like me it's like fucking christ and they think they're the open minded compassionate ones it's really weird it's but it's just the nature of the tribal world that we're living in right now and it's so divided and this is one of the giant problems of social media and i think it's great that everyone has an opinion and i think it's great that everyone gets to express an opinion it doesn't mean that you can't express an opinion it doesn't mean that you should listen it doesn't mean you should absorb it it doesn't mean that it's a valid opinion you'll find the valid opinions but you have to sort through the bad ones and this is how it's always going to be there's always going to be that how people have a take on it that you fiercely disagree with people have the least charitable view of this person or this idea or this thing you're always going to have a spectrum of ideas and you have to allow it that's how it is and you have to counter that with a better perspective that's that's it and if you're coming at it from you want to silence and destroy everyone who disagrees with you especially on something as complex as ancient history like that seems like you're doing a bad thing that seems like you're denying the resource of all these obsessed people yeah it's i can completely agree with you as a matter of fact they're getting something wrong like yeah have a conversation with those people and explain why they're getting something wrong but but be good faith about it the the society for american archaeology's original bylaws their very first law was their intention was to cultivate a better relationship between interested amateurs and professional archaeologists and to offer help when requested to those interested amateurs they're doing neither one of those things right now number one they are pissing all over the relationship between people that are interested amateurs and the professional archaeologists they can't even talk to each other anymore and don't you think that's also a little bit of jealousy because these interested amateurs have all of a sudden they've come to the forefront and they're making money off of it oh yeah oh yeah i mean when i found out that i had supporters he lost his shit people pay him money for the oh my fucking god silly silly to worry about that but it's like also like just youtube revenue guys like ben van kirkwick's videos get millions of views you know like there's there's real money in it and they're not making money no not like that no they got to be pissed I'm sure that's part of it. But the other thing, and again, in that bylaw, it says to offer help when requested to interested amateurs. When's the last time Graham Hancock asked one of these cocksuckers for their opinion? They don't. They give him the help whether he wants it or not. They've completely lost the plot. Well, the problem is the way they frame it. Like when they were talking about his Netflix show being one of the most dangerous shows on television. How is it dangerous to talk about evidence of a lost civilization? That seems insane. Their egos are at the fore. Have you ever read that letter that they wrote to Netflix? Yes. They had three problems, right? And they list them, one, two, three. Now, you would assume, these are professional archaeologists, and they're talking about Graham Hancock. You'd assume number one is he got a bunch of shit wrong. Right. No, number one is he talks shit about archaeologists and he doesn't listen to us. That was number one. They couldn't even hide their ego in the fucking list. It's like, it's just. Also not true. They're petulant children. I swear to fucking God. Also not true. Yeah. He listens. Oh, dude. He puts them on the. Yeah. The difference is he doesn't want to deal with the guy. If you're going to come in and just poo-poo everything and say, no, that's not true. No, that's not true. No, that's not true. Well, then, yeah, you're not going to. I'm not going to put up with that shit. You guys have an actual conversation with me. Sure. But if you're just. What were the other two problems? The other two problems. One was that he was wrong. Well, the other one was that it promotes white supremacy. And the best part about that is. I say, because this, this theory that the exact wording is this theory dates to 1882 and Ignatius Donnelly, blah, blah, blah. Ignatius Donnelly was a left. He was liberal as fuck. He was a feminist and an abolitionist, but he was also a white dude in the 1800s. He's racist as fuck by modern standards, right? Just like all the archaeologists were back then. But don't bother with that. They pick him and they say, this guy's the one that started the problem. He's the one that created this theory. But you go back 20 years and Augustus Le Plignon. And some other dude, I'm losing his name right now, but there were two French Americans that believed that the Maya had caught where the Atlanteans, that the Maya had conquered the world. It's a Maya where the master race, if you're going to look at it that way, but they're going to ignore that when they submit this stuff to Netflix, because it doesn't, they wanted to make it sound like this entire shit was created to support white supremacy when it was actually not. But they, so my, my, but my point here is in a debate. When it constantly revolves around, you guys are lying about our past. They lie about what happened 15 fucking minutes ago on the internet where you can all see it. And then they wonder why we are like, ha, you guys do lie about the fucking boneheads. Sorry. So this, this guy, what was his theory? The first guy that is problematic, even though he's a liberal and a feminist. Oh, well, he believes that it is white supremacy. He believes that, uh, the three biblical races, um, you know, or of that, like Noah's three kids. Um, Sam. Sam has the Semitic race. The Hamite race was the Africans. And then the other one ended up being the Aryans, it was the white people. Um, and, uh, these three biblical races have biblical racism. They call it, it's been like a thing for thousand years, but, uh, he, he just clung to that idea that it was basically these races of, of after post Noah and all this. So like, uh, you know, the story with Noah, like he got drunk afterwards. No. Oh, could you pull this up? Jimmy? No. I mean, after it's all done, Noah gets all drunk and he's like laying around naked. And one of his sons laughs at him and one of them, one of them doesn't. So like he curses the lowest of them and he praises the highest. And when you see the Bible, the Bible verse, it was like, you're going to be the servants to this one. And he can sleep in your tent whenever he wants. And you could see why this was used to promote, uh, racial superiority, but, uh, it's, that's where it came from. So. And I think that's what the Bible says. I want a fucking Egyptian mummy in my house. you know and people had them I mean this was a thing that they were eating them yes yes yes God what well Danny Jones said he's like what the fuck pull it up now people would have these mummy unwrapping parties at their homes these very wealthy people and they would eat the mummies I bet you a lot of those elongated skulls ended up in similar I know like whose house how many houses who are these people like how does no one tell on them I don't know but I mean did you get what you know five years ago I would have said Dean I don't know about all this man but now you look at that island you're like what would you do somebody gave you an elongated skull would you give it to a museum like what would you do like if somebody gave you one of those really dope Peruvian skulls that are crazy without the sagittal suture you're looking at the enormous brain capacity the size of the head like what the size the eye sockets I have scientists after scientists finger-fucking that thing till we got somewhere right but would you bring it somewhere where other people could see it would you allow the scientists to take control of it and to take hold of it because this is my friend John Reeves up in Alaska you know he's had some real issues with that yeah where they'll take bones and then they go up nope never getting them back yeah I know it's been a bomb so bottom of the Harper yeah and he won't eat but this was before his time but yeah they did that was that the American Museum of Natural History is that it so the the thing he does now is like if you want to do work on these bones you got to come to Alaska yeah and he built a whole scientific research building and no it makes sense yeah he's like I don't trust any motherfuckers help you know where the Baghdad battery is right now don't you where nobody knows it was grabbed by alphabet boys at the beginning of the 2000s when we stood which alphabet boys ours but which one sure might be one we don't even know about all I know is it what I'm just gonna say I doubt that the soldier that went in there had decided he wanted that thing for himself right but speaking of the Baghdad bag a cool little theory on that I don't know if you ever seen that but I don't think it was for electricity I think it was to separate metal if you were to use for the electrolyte if you were to take mine runoff that had like gold and silver and copper and iron and nickel and magnum II all that bullshit you put it in that that thing after a while that exact cell that we had the copper would built would have a buildup of gold copper and silver all the other shit would go to the bottom so you could it would I think it was a way for them to like separate and I think that the discovery this would be super easy drop a copper coin and a metal nail into a puddle of that and come back in two days and you're gonna see the buildup of gold on that coin and so this explains why inside of the thing like there's no residue at all which is one of the reasons they say it didn't happen what they were harvesting the residue is my in my opinion and this is why you couldn't add trace amounts now that's where it would be nice to test it now it hasn't been looked at in a long time you know it hasn't been been hard it hasn't been tested for anything and where is it it's gone it's in somebody it's right next to those skulls and those mummies it's on some dude's shelf that will really yes the picture of a street mummy seller in 1875 so this article in the big thing was saying that this was so popular from 1200 to about 18th or sorry the 12th century 18th century they kind of ran out of mummies yeah and imagine you could fly over there and pick up a mummy well that's before these parties were even happening corner over there no they thought it was medicine yeah yeah and imagine about this once before but it's Thursday's this shit exists all over the place and I wonder if any of them would have been better than kufus so a lot 99 apothecary antiques right up there upper left yeah what yeah look at that yeah apothecary so this is like medicine mummy yeah so it's like mummy juice this article gets fucking gross mummy powder you sprinkle it on your state they said there was so much they were so popular for a long time they disappeared kind of it's hard to get them so they started forging oh how dark and then people bought all the dead bodies not all doctors thought dry old mummies made the best medicine some doctors believe that fresh meat and blood had a vitality the long dead life those guys went to the island Napoleon was bringing them back and then they would have some parties quote-unquote party but that was just still like they were doing like research almost if you could say like some medicine research and then that didn't last I was like 30 years of that and then they just started having actual parties to show how rich you hold up pause right here 1834 the surgeon Thomas Pettigrew unwrapped a mummy at the Royal College of Surgeons in his time autopsies and operations took place in public in this case the first time he was unwrapping was just another public medical event soon now soon even the pretense of medical research was lost by now mummies were no longer medicinal but thrilling a dinner host who can entertain an audience while unwrapping was rich enough to own an actual mummy the thrill of seeing dried flesh and bones appearing as bandages came off meant people flock to these unwrappings whether in a private home or the theater of a learned society strong and appreciative and then at some point they tried to say that you are getting cursed by doing this oh yeah for sure but that wasn't the people that vowed take two dozen comments to him didn't they all die that's what this comes up with nexus two in common yeah sudden death of the Lord yeah on our on mm-hmm well I mean you can understand why people would think that too I mean you're going around and not just defiling the grave and you eat the motherfucker come on so it might there might be something to a curse like that oh yeah yeah if you believe it that's the problem that's how I think voodoo really works if you really believe that someone could put a hex on you like oh no I was joking with this hippie girl in Sedona about that she was telling me about practical magic look at this today the black market of antiquity smuggling including mummies is worth about three billion dollars huh so today the black market right now three billion a year a year yeah that's a lot yeah that's a fortune that's a fortune and just in shit that should be in a museum three billion a year yeah it just makes sense when we see people that are just fucking insane and they're rich and they just want a thing that no one that's like the whole thing about like rhino horn right they want to drink rhino horn tea because nobody could get it because it's illegal yep you gotta talk about the Rockefellers earlier and I thought there's a museum started in June I don't know if that's true I don't know if it's in Jerusalem or they're the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum mmm they had 60,000 artifacts dating back to two million years ago including a reported hundred-thousand-year-old skeleton almost complete damn whoa what happened they also had another one that was 6,500 years old that a while ago was being reported as Noah this is where the Dead Sea Scrolls were for a while until they were taken over and then moved to and the Dead Sea Scrolls a different museum now that Israel has been officially formed because they were there when it wasn't actually officially Israel I guess Wow and there's a copper scroll I just stumbled across I didn't know about that was moved to Amman and is now part of the Jordan Museum Wow what's that one of the back that looks that was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls it was made out of copper whoa well that's a replica well that part is probably I guess but yes it was found in cave 3 mmm where everything else is written on parchment this was written on metal holy shit that's insane copper mixed with about 1% tin although no metallic copper remained in the strips the action the centuries had been to convert the metal into brittle oxide unlike the others it's not a literary work but a list of 64 places where various items of gold and silver were buried or hidden not a story it's a treasure map Wow treasure map written on copper and a day when copper was a treasure Wow and this is a facsimile is now on display there's gotta be so much we're missing oh so much we're missing so much buried stuff so much like just think of sub-saharan Africa used to be lush and green like what is under there yeah what's under there there yeah that's you dead-on exactly all across there's so many places in the world that are that way if you ask me that's like like Easter Island when the sea levels were lower and that thing was a lot bigger and it was part of a series of islands that jump from one to the next you know you know what navels of the world are right what navels of the world like navel yeah like a world like the Yggdrasil the world tree right like connects the underworlds here and heavens this idea is super common through it Cusco had one the wailing wall is one you're gonna go kiss the wall that's good that's that's the that's that's a world navel these are always the Oracle of Delhi world navel these are always centers of the society rights Jerusalem Delhi Cusco except for there's one at Easter Island the far flung corner of the Polynesian Empire has a world navel but if you lower the sea levels and look at that as a string of islands all of a sudden it is the center of the Empire so I really like to ask an area out of all the places on the planet I think Easter Island has the most that if we were to because it's been dug at the least and has a lot there still I mean it's been looted hard but it hasn't been looted like Rome has been or Egypt has been not even close and i think that i think honestly that there's going to be a lot more there the more that we look i think unfortunately stuff happens too quick we we find the stuff and two days later it becomes like the tridactyl mummies two days later it becomes a new story half the world like you say everything's all polarized now you can it's you can even pick and choose your fucking scientists when it comes to medicine nowadays joe it's it's it's completely polarized so when it comes to something like archaeology hey fucking who do you want what what side of the table do you want you'll find somebody with credentials are close enough to get in line with you and so i was talking to a friend of mine about the south american stuff he said the cartels are a huge problem because they realize this three billion dollar thing of selling these antiquities and they're selling stuff to people luke told me uh luke caverns he told me that he he witnessed that when he was down there there was a couple of places he went that he couldn't go into because there were guys who were there and he was like oh my god i'm gonna go to a guy's with guns out in front oh wow totally so they realized like hey someone's gonna give me five million dollars for this head yeah yeah that's that's and so we again we lose we lose everything we lose all the context how are they not losing those mummified tridactyl skeletons i'm not really sure that's a good question you know i would imagine those are soup imagine we have one of those sitting on the table right here that'd be pretty cool that would be pretty cool when how much we have to pay for one of those um probably quite a bit well to that part of the world you might get away with 250 grand like they did those codices the mexican government like i was saying they bought those little codices pretty cheap man 250 grand is a lot but it ain't a lot when you start talking about like well i said that to matt bell if you know who matt bell is he was like that's nothing well of course to him it's nothing but immediately the guy that has the money is 250 grand right fucking put that on my shelf yeah frame that bitch meanwhile he could have probably auctioned that you know it was a family was afraid to and honestly that family been holding it for like 500 years and in all honesty i bet they were afraid i i honestly the way things go i don't know for sure but i wouldn't be surprised if there was some some strong arming that went on there's like you can either get paid for it right or we take it just like when the mob do you want paid off for this or do you want beat on the head right right it's just you wonder how much is lost like the burning of the library of alexandria all these different instances throughout history the burning of the codices what is this from peru this is a website that's got art uh from ancient peru for sale for sale yeah there's tons of interesting stuff here right the question is how do you know if it's authentic that's a huge because there's a lot of this stuff that's counterfeit wow that's dope look at that mask it shows the provenance of it so this one came from an archaeologist that from 1938 how much does that cost it says 3500 or something i think it's should we get one for 48 50 how big is it cursed no i uh that's well it says 4850 on something i better be able to drive it around or smoke it one egyptian bronze cobra wow somebody bought that for 2000 bucks wow add to cart right now wow bam kind of sick i was honestly how old is it uh 664 to 30 bce provenance private new york city egyptologist collection private new york city egyptologist collection private new york city city yeah the provenance is weird on all these it's coming everything's coming from different places yeah it's interesting because that's not that expensive for what it is you got a piece of egyptian history yeah well the provenance thing's kind of a big deal if the provenance on them solid and it's after a certain date you can't sell them show me what that image looks like so how come you how come this person can sell this yeah because the provenance is going to come before that date like that they're going to have been been found before that date it's like legally acquired yes if it wasn't legally acquired i bet they they get you so the laws are probably much stricter now than when they acquired it yeah there's like it's kind of like assault rifles where there's like a time when you can that's okay to have bought them but if you bought it after that date you can't have it or like pre-ban ivory thank you yeah same kind of thing it's like if you got that you've had this artifact on your family we're not going to go raid in the rockefeller shelves but you know the rest of you fuckers can't have any new ones you get a gold wing deity pendant for 67 grand gold shaman yo damn son bro he got six fingers sickest what's that from oh and also look he's got the i guess you say a monkey on top of his head like that and two on the side yeah why does it say price on a request uh maybe that's uh estimated here so when it says uh gold standing shaman is that actual gold made out of gold there it is 89 percent gold what you can just buy that well look how dope he looks look at the image on the side go to the side view the other one it's made in china well it's hollow i'm that's what i'm saying yeah that kind of has to be hollow oh fuck way 100 pounds yeah look at that what a sick looking thing show me the front facing view again that is wild wild man and how old is this supposed to be fuck that's cool bring you good luck put that on your desk monkey look oh man i think he's got some nipples oh does he oh when i was looking at things hanging around i hope he doesn't have trophy skulls could be yeah looks like his hands looks like those are cups but they're faces they look but they're same as the heads up there they do look like heads does he have two heads in his hands he's got way more than five fingers yeah he's got seven maybe even eight if he's got a thumb again you can meet that guy three hits of dmt he's he's out there like show me the the face forward version at the top this one's been in alabama for a while it said wow crazy i'm sorry and how old is it again that's what i was trying to look up uh 500 to 15 20 80 wow either way that's nuts that's pretty interesting 100 you could put it on a chain it weighs 148 grams what's that in a pound i don't think it's a lot 28 because we're all doing weed math now half a pound maybe we're doing weed math okay what is 128 grams in pounds yeah 0.28 pounds a quarter of a pound wow pretty sick that is cool it just makes you wonder like what what were they trying to what is that what is that guy is that a guy you see when you trip because it seems like it especially he's all gold it seems like something you would see if you're tripping yeah a lot of that stuff you see a lot of it gets really difficult for me because then i i wonder about like our iconography and it's like you know somebody could look at something like that belt and be like i wonder what the symbolism is behind that belt at the end of the day it's like right no no symbolism it's just it looks cool or a mascot for a team you know exactly why why is everybody worshiping this spuds mckinsey right right right why is everybody making the bullhorns of the ut game yeah yeah but but but some of these things you know um are clearly you know religious and spiritual and then stay on the test of time like um there's a lot of things the honoring of people with deformations down there went for thousands of years i mean this went from the old up till the time that the spaniards show up i think what's really fascinating is there's so many things that point to south america so many things that point particularly to peru so many things when you look at the megalithic architecture especially the oldest stuff the weird crazy shapes and then you also look at the elongated heads and then you also look at the artwork that you can only see from the sky and like how many of these fucking things do you have to see before you went what was going on here just you should look at some of the their textiles that they made in progress like i showed that little monkey thing those guys were so good if you don't mind pulling up a picture of paracas textiles jamie they were so fucking amazing that these like when i first read about them i was like meh and then i looked at some pictures and these are like they're otherworldly these to think that these things were being made of over a thousand years ago two thousand years ago when you when you see them there are they're a bunch of little people with just feathers pointed to one side like this and then they're like oh my god they're like oh my god they're like oh my god like they're in motion dancing and shit um like pick uh that like that one you're on right now jamie's a great one this one here uh no the that that yellow one you were hovering over the ones with the people look at that's a textile look at that shit two thousand years old look at fucking how beautiful that is how well made that again you can see that if you trip yeah it's very it's very trippy right like it is it's very psychedelic looking it's very psychedelic but then you consider that that same culture was doing all this stuff and then you're like oh my god that's all these brain surgeries they were doing the lines on the ground you were talking about there were modifying skulls they were building things they were and they had people the artisans like this this was a culture this was a full-blown civilization that was above and beyond anything that we'd given credit to at this time i mean look yeah definitely dmt looking but also holy shit man look at how artistic that is i know look at the little faces that are coming out of his whatever the fuck's wrapped around his nose yeah that boy's having a bad trip just wild it is wild art and beautiful so beautiful And so, like everything else in that culture, they were just, it just seemed to be so massively ahead of all the contemporaries. Again, they had that symbol, that Paracas condolabra is visible 12 miles out to sea. And you could think about hopping down the coast looking for that. You could think about guys from Easter Island looking for that or from Polynesia looking for that. We've got DNA that supports all that. There's a genetic drift both directions. It looks like people went from Easter Island to Peru and then back is what it looks like according to the genetics. And that was the big sign, like, welcome. Yeah, that's my thinking. I mean, and again, it's like, hey, here we're mingling. Even if it was just here's the guys from the islands and here's the guys from up north and here's us, it still seems like a symbol of like a mixing to me, like a convergence. And the DNA stuff, again, that's where it really all got me going on it because it's just you pick your genetics. It's genetic deformation, and you see it there again with the back of the skull. That's just to me, it's like smoking gun. It's like, why were they doing this? Well, here's a very solid, real excellent. And then think about like the evolutionary arms race. This culture is working on bigger brains that can that has all the intelligence of this species and the ability to see and hear that this species has. And we're trying to get the best of both worlds. And these guys are you're going to get wiped out by us in a thousand years, five thousand ten. The evolution is going to kill you. Off and prop these. I think it happened all over the fucking world. And Paracas is just the last place that was still doing it. But I think that that elongated skulls. That's why we see it all over the world. As soon as humans, soon as Homo sapiens and archaic lineages with bigger brains than us on the back started mingling. I think this was like a requirement. This is all post younger drives impact to live right around. That's like the oldest skulls that we know of are around 10,000 B.C. The oldest. Yes. That we know. We're in the oldest elongate post. Yes. Just right at the right. Right. Right. Afterwards in China. So that's the other part of the question is like if there was a cataclysmic event that wiped out vast chunks of civilization, how much was left? How much how much survived? Because it seemed like South America didn't get hit as hard as North America and parts of Europe and Asia. Right. Yeah. And Africa was almost unscathed. Right. Right. Right. Right. Comparably. At least according to the megafauna is right. Right. Which is so that gets real weird. It does. It's like. So, OK. There were those people down in South America. Fine. And what happened? Was that where advanced civilization existed on Earth and the only place because advanced civilization, these other places have been wiped out. Yeah. That's that's honestly, I think that that makes the most sense to me. And what happened to them? That's the real question. Well, the Paracas people. Yeah. What happened before the. Well, what happened to the people that built these megalithic structures? What happened to the society that existed like was it just time? Yeah, I think so. They still had, you know, by the time of the of the Spanish showing up, the Inca were still doing those treffinations in the skull so well that they were up to an 80 percent survival rate. The Civil War was about 40 percent, by the way, like our Civil War doctors and American civil war, the only civil war, our doctors were about 40 percent, about half as good as the Inca at drilling holes in heads and letting somebody through. I mean, fuck. Dude. And why were they drilling holes and had the same reason? Because it relieves pressure. So like like I'm saying that they were doing it as one of the reasons to relieve the pressure from the headache. But if you just get it, somebody hits you in the head hard enough, you're going to swell up in the brain. You got to relieve pressure. So they drill a hole to get it out. This was a lot of the musket balls that didn't kill a man outright would leave a water on the brain kind of thing. So they'd have to do what they could to relieve the pressure. Boy, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's ugly when you I would not want to. If I would have got shot in the Civil War battlefield, knowing what I know now, I'd say just fucking shoot me right here. Finish the job. So my question is, like, why don't we see people that live in Peru with larger heads and elongated skulls today? Probably because it's illegal to do it. Is that it? Is it just a deformation thing or is it a deformation thing, you know, manipulated thing on top of a cranial deformation? It's natural. Yeah. No, if it was. If it was a partial natural cranial deformation, I think eventually that would have been bred to be smaller and smaller and less of a pronounced issue as those like we're showing those bones in the back that basically do the play and stuff. I think that over time that we would evolve more accommodating things for it, but that it's I mean, we still have people that have those Chiari malformations today. You know, that CAT scan wasn't from 2000 years ago. People still have this issue. But I think that over time. Over time, you know, the ones that were too bad at it, their brains are just too fucking big. They're going to die off. And honestly, I think that there was probably some of that Inca type of clan warfare going on. Now, that's just complete speculation. But I mean, there was something, you know, I don't know. There was something about a thousand years ago that caused all the cliff dwellers and all that shit. Like there was none of these people lived in the cliff dwellings like 2000 years ago. And then they all moved into the cliffs and they all stayed for like 100 years and they came back out. Like there was some war going on. You'd see it. A tribe of about 5000 people would split up into a bunch of little bands of 500 or 200 or at the most 50. The Gila cliff dwellings, they say, had about 60 people that lived in them. 60. It's nothing. And they came from a place about a thousand. So you think they were trying to survive raiders? I think that it was pretty clearly warfare. And an interesting side note, something that I've never I went to the Gila cliff dwellings when I came through here last month. And I drove a buddy of mine. We drove through New Mexico. And the big old oil fields of Texas. And we stopped at the Gila cliff dwellings. And so I looked them up afterwards to make my video about it. And they redacted that the artifacts and shit are redacted. It looks like reading a fucking Epstein list emails. It's just like black bar, black bar, black bar, black bar. And what am I looking for? Just what they found. And and this is just the people that lived in the cliffs. Yeah. Why would they redact that the archaeologists that this is the peer reviewed archaeology, like the papers that they submitted? Afterwards, they just because of what they found, the explanation given is they redact information so that people don't go digging up shit, right? So they're like, OK, except for in the same paper, it says we didn't dig here and we think there's artifacts here a few different times. They're redacting the things that they found and the people that took and on some occasions where they were found. It's and it's not the only thing in South and in the Southwest. It's that way. The more I look, I see it's fairly common. Why do you think they're doing that? They're finding something they don't want people to know. Maybe they're selling on the black market would be the most obvious explanation, but like the most mundane. But when it becomes a ubiquitous problem, you say the short answer is the same as why they cover up the show on the Epstein list to cover it up, to hide it. There's something there they don't want you to know. And what for sure? I don't know. I can't read in the black bars. What could you even speculate? Like, what would they be trying to hide? It could be nothing dwelling civilization. It could be nothing more than an out of place artifact. It could be. It could be an out of place, out of place artifact. How so? I mean, like what we consider the anti-Kitzer mechanism to be something that's more advanced for its time. So, you know, if they just found something that say they don't think that these guys could work iron and they found an iron arrowhead there, that wasn't a trade piece. It was pre-Columbian. You think they would redact that? I don't know, but I know they redacted a lot. But is a possible explanation that they just redacted where these things were so that people would know? People wouldn't go back to the area. And it would be if they didn't have so much of the of the stuff that was like you had to like, it'll say we went to this site and we found a black bar and then we went to this site and we found black bar. Right. So and so took black bar and then it'll be another site that it says at this site we thought there would be some artifacts that we haven't dug yet. Well, why is it that site not black barred? That's the one that's I'm done. If all of them want, that's the one I want to go to, because that's the one you said there's still shit left to dig up. Right. But that's the one. And according to their explanation, that's the one they'd black bar. But they don't black bar that one. So it honestly looks convoluted. It looks like they're they're they're selling a false bill of goods with that. I haven't. What are the other possibilities? The reason why they would redact it other than out of place artifacts? The first one, like, honestly, the most mundane is just to sell stuff. That's a really cool fucking piece. I'm going to go sell it to Rockefeller. And that. That could be it. That could be it. And that way they don't have to say what was there. They redact it. And then there's no need to explain where it went. That's right. That makes more sense. That makes the most sense. It does make the most sense. That's got money. Straight and mundane. Yeah. Yep. And people love those things. But it's become. Hank joined BJ's Wholesale Club the day he became a father of 30. I coach football. Now, Coach Hank saves up to 25 percent off grocery store prices, 30 pounds of pasta, three cases of protein bars, 75 sports drinks. And that's just pregame. He knows teamwork. And BJ's knows savings. This is your home, Coach. Home of the Save. Join for just $20 at BJ's.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's. Home of the Save. Like I say, it's all over the Southwest. It's not just one or two sites. I just stumbled onto it because I was looking up the HeLa Cliftoins because it happened And that's where, I mean, I haven't dug into it enough to put it all together. But, you know, when I was here last time, the cover-up stuff was something I was a whole lot less accepting of a top-down kind of cover-up thing. But the skull stuff has honestly got me where it's just like, dude, there's too much of this information that disappears as I use it. I link it in the video, and two weeks later, I can't fucking find it again. It's like at a certain point, it becomes quite obvious that something's being hidden. When the maps change over 100 years and we lose information, you get on Google and ask for the island of Nui elongated skull, and it'll tell you it never happened. But then you can bring up a bunch of expeditions of people that had them from the—it's constant. It's a constant—the information is just not easily accessible. It's hidden. It's covered up. And I don't know why, 100% don't know why. I've got some suspicions. I think some of it probably has to do with, like, people's belief systems as to where we came. You know, like, to give you an example, like, archaeology, like, science in general fought against the idea of gradualism and catastrophism, depending on—in the early days of science, it was out to prove the Bible. So things like erosion weren't what was looked at. It was things like floods and the walls of Jericho collapsing. But then evolution and then geology, it's about the same time. It's really slow, gradual. So it became gradualism was the rule of the day. And I shit you not. These two did not become melded together in what they call punctuated equilibrium until 1980 with the discovery of the KT impact disaster, the whole six-lube crater. When they accepted that, the scientific community finally figured out what a fucking five-year-old could tell you that looked out the window every day. Sometimes things happen slowly and gradually. Other times things happen catastrophically and fast. It took science 100 years to wrap its fucking head around that because of preconceived ideas based on the Bible. And where we came from. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if that same kind of psychology was here. Evolution's bullshit. This proves—who knows? But it seems like the psychology side of it seems most likely to me that there is some underlying reason that they're just pushing a narrative and that this flies in the face of it. But again, that's total speculation on my part. One of the weirdest aspects of this whole UAP thing was that there were supposedly meetings with pastors. Where they were talking about some imminent disclosure that was going to be very disturbing to some of their people. And the speculation was that it was some sort of evidence of human engineering, like that human beings had been genetically engineered. And that religion itself had been made by extraterrestrials in order to placate mankind and keep everybody calm and together. Sure. I mean, it's interesting stories, but— But the weirdest one, like all the religion stuff made by aliens seems goofy. People made by aliens seems less goofy. It seems like something we would do. If you went to another planet and you found monkeys, and you said, "Well, let's take these monkeys and add a little, do a little of this, do a little of that." I mean, that—if there's evidence that people were doing that in Peru, if that's real. We know that the Nazis were eugenists. We know that that's a concept, that people do things like that. We know that we engage in genetic engineering of animals. We know that we brought back the dire wolf. Like, there's a lot of weird stuff that we do. Now, imagine something infinitely more advanced than us that finds us and goes, "There's a lot of potential in these genes, but we'll add a little." Cut a hundred million years out of the fucking evolutionary biological process. Just fucking ramp these motherfuckers up right quick. Go on the Zachariah stitching route and make them lust for gold and silver, and then every so often we'll just come back, raid Fort Knox, call it a day. It's also the Book of Enoch. Yeah, it's really interesting. There's a lot of these things that do seem to line up with it. You know, the ancient alien stuff is— Super weird. It is. Like, I—you know, it's honestly using the same kind of thinking that you were just using on the black bars. Like, it's always—the aliens are always the last thing I want to posit because it's just the most unlikely. That's where you and me differ. You know, I was one of the ancient alien guys, David Childress. I was in his living room talking with him about it, and he couldn't quite get where my brain is on this because I'm skeptical but not, I guess. And I told him, basically, I said, "Look at it like this. If you walked into the bathroom right now and you came back in here and your wallet was missing, now I could tell you, that a dog came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it. I could tell you an alien came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it, but you're going to think that I fucking did it." And that doesn't mean there's no aliens. It doesn't mean there's no dogs. It just means that we all know what's most likely. And he really used that, that it's just like with the black bars. It's like, yeah, maybe it's an out-of-place artifact or maybe he's just selling it to some fucking cocksucker. Mm-hmm. And so it's all—that's where I always—I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient aliens, but you've got to get me there. But then on the flip side, like what you said about them changing us, I mean, you could take that even to the nth degree. Look at, like, you've seen the idea that the pyramids were chemical purification plants, the land of Kim, right? One of the things that he says jokingly, but he'll say, you know, if an alien race came here and you were trying to set up shop, one of the first things you would do would be set up ways to, like, make chemicals and make the stuff that you need to make your society, and you would use what was local and what was available. And that does jobs. It's hard to drive, right? It doesn't make sense. So there's always—I mean, I'm not completely opposed to the ideas, but there's some things that the—Ockham's razor is a lot sharper on some things than others, I guess you could put it. But it—you know, I agree. But I think the most perplexing part about the pyramids is just that they exist at all. Agreed. That they exist at all and that they're 4,500 years old at least. Like, it doesn't make sense. Not even remotely. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that something that is so involved and so massive and so complex and clearly has a tremendous amount of planning and geometry, understanding of so many different aspects of construction that we have no idea how they accomplished it. There's just too many things that line up with that where you just go, "What is going on?" Like, isn't it possible that we're missing something? Absolutely. We're definitely missing something with the pyramids. I mean, this is—you know, they think it was 28 years that it was—that the Great Pyramid was built in. 28 years. Based on— Based on written records and their assumptions that Herodotus was right when he wrote about that part. They just disregard the rest. Herodotus wrote about that maze of Saqqara? Fuck that noise. 28-year pyramid? Yeah. And I've told so many archaeologists, "Why don't you go build a fucking fire pit in your backyard with cinder blocks and get back to me on that 28 years?" It's like you guys have—you don't own a fucking tool belt. Go—there is no way—well, you could have it, and you'd have all these teams of people doing all the— There's millions of stones. I worked as a construction—I worked in construction for a long time. And— Well, this is the one in China. Architects and engineers fuck shit up. Have you heard of this place? Yeah. Yes. That one's nuts. I saw this one recently, but the thing I thought was very strange—they said it was abandoned in, like, the 14th century, the Yangshan quarry. And I was like, what? These nubs are on this thing. We're talking about the nubs being on many different pieces. Yeah, they're everywhere. They're everywhere all over the world. They were saying that they had a—they must have clearly had a plan, obviously, when they were starting to make it. So the nubs were cut on purpose. But it's—they then abandoned it because they figured that they were—they made them too big to move, which is kind of that fucking— They had good planning, but then they also had bad planning. So do you think the nubs were involved in the lifting? The lifting and maneuvering of these things? I would— None of that one. I mean, that would have to be the plan, I would say, if that's why they were purposefully here and they're all over it. That one looks like it's carved right into the ground, though, right into the rock. That doesn't look like a rock that was placed there. I might be wrong. This is still—like, they hadn't moved—these never got moved. Yeah. Right. So it's—but it's a part of a quarry where things did get moved. Right. That's what's really crazy. Like, look at that gap, if you go back to that last picture that you just had. Look at the gap between those two stones. Now, imagine that that was an individual piece of stone that was removed from that gap and somehow placed somewhere. And again, how long ago and who fucking did it? Who did it and how'd you do it? How'd you do that? What are you using? Yes. And to say that's not a mystery is fucking nuts. I don't understand why they want to get rid of the side of the mystery to begin with. Yeah. Look at how that looks. That looks like someone cut that out. Well, I mean, they started to, but with what? Right. But look how big it is. Look how big the slab is that's next to that structure. The one above it. Yeah, that thing. Look how big that is. Like, was that cut out? It looks like it was cut out. There's a little carving inside of it. Yeah. There's a similar—I'm trying to remember where it was in my head, but it looks like it's floating. I think it's in China, too, where it looks like this, but it was put on top of this very small little bit of water. I know what you're talking about. It's like a fortress or something. Damn. I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm going to. Okay. I was looking into this elongated heads thing. It was going on in France up until World War I. Yep. Whoa. And why I'm finding a very interesting thing here. A lot of Neanderthals in France. Well, so they were- Yeah, it was. Yeah. They were fashion, but baby bonnets were a thing. Turn to the left, fashion. And why baby bonnets were tied on the baby's heads. They did it a little bit of fashion, a little bit for protection. But there's something here I kind of stumbled across on. And if you go back further in history, it could make more sense that they're protecting them from spirits. And if you tied it tight enough, nothing's getting in there. Oh, boy. And that reshaped the head. And it was not on purpose. Look at that poor kid. Oh, God. Not on purpose to reshape the head, but that's just what happened. Look at that baby. Like I said, eyes bulging out like a mouse caught in a trap. Oh, fuck, man. It might have been a protection. It was just like kids were dying for all sorts of reasons back then. If they thought something would get into their head to kill them, too, they probably would do anything they could to protect them. Yeah. Now, you can't increase the capacity. Yeah, it didn't increase capacity is what I was saying. Right. That's what they say. That one's, I mean. Could you? Well, I don't know. Could you stretch it? I honestly don't know. That one's kind of frustrating because, again, you can pick your expert. There's people that will say these elongated skulls have a higher capacity. There's people that say. They don't. And since you can't go put your fingers on them, fucking pick your expert. Here we are again. Right back where we started. What's your opinion? Well, that's the truth, my friend. And welcome to 2026. Fuck. It's so interesting, particularly Peru. I mean, just all the different things that point to a spectacularly odd society. Oh, man. Yeah. And you just go, what was it like, man? What was it? What was reality for them? Why did they make those Nazca lines? Why did they make those beautiful drawings that you could only see from the sky? The Pacific Northwest has some shit that's pretty wild. They was Mount Coffin, which is the place that I told you where they saw those 3,000 burials. In the early 1900s, the Portland Star and Cement Company bought Mount Coffin. And the pictures from before are, it's like a basalt formation. And it looks partially modified. I've got three pictures of it there, Jamie, if you don't mind. The first one was just Mount Coffin. It was like some people, I think it says basalt or something. But there's like some people on it. And the Portland Star and Gravel Company bought it and they mined it all away. Daughters of the American Revolution tried to buy it. The Illuminati dude that was all like crazy. Yeah, that's the picture of it there. There's a picture of a bunch of people standing on it, I think might be the next one over. It's like a bunch of dudes standing on this basalt. It's a skinnier pic, sorry. But you can kind of see there where it might be artificially modified. The locals say there was all kinds of cool treasure in there. Now, the dude that built Longview, R.A. Long, Ra Long, built Longview in the shape of a pyramid. The floor plan of Longview, not only has it got a pyramid floor plan, it's actually got a little, from the center going out like a little cul-de-sac that goes out. Like it's got the focal star from the pyramid coming out of it. It's fucking crazy. The floor plan of Longview, if you just. But the streets were paved. The four main pyramid arcs were paved with the gravel that came from that mountain. The town is like a goof. Can I see some images? I'm stuck on the 19. Yeah, I'm trying to. I got to restart. Okay. But yeah, the guy, it was pretty nuts. The guy was like, he was a member of the Freemason stuff. And again, they couldn't buy the mountain. They wouldn't sell it to him. But when they, he bought the gravel. He had the roads paved in these weird octagons or hexagons instead of, yeah, like a floor plan. You can see like that, see the four from the center. Like if you get a. Wow, weird. And there's, if you get a straight top down view, you can see. I'm looking at it. I haven't found one yet. Oh, I'm sorry. But yeah, you can see, there we go. Getting better. I think that's harder to see. Yeah. Hmm. But yeah, just map of Longview, Washington. That picture there, the disruption of Mount Coffin, see how that's the one there that's got all these people on and stuff. And they look like the basalt might have been partially made up, partially modified. They're not 100%, right? But there were a lot of rumors about treasures being pulled out of that while they were tearing it down. But by the time that this was all being done, there were already laws against destroying Native American mountains. And sites and stuff. So this guy, Long was a lumber baron. He comes out there and wants to build up a lumber mill and stuff and all this crap. So he builds a town of Longview. It's a totally planned city. And then he built all this goofy pyramid. He's got, there's a statue of him in the middle of town with a girl handing him a rose. And she's holding a dozen roses and handing him the 13th, which apparently is some sort of weird Freemason shit. I don't know all their symbolism. But all kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism, right? And, yeah, you see, like, the town's laid out as a pyramid. And you see it to the right, the center, how it goes out to that little circle on the side. Like, it's, this was, they've cut off the one line since then. No longer do they honor Longview's, Long's original plan. They've actually, he had a statue of him that we used to face the rising sun. They've relocated it. That town was fucking weird, man. And they went, almost like they're trying to fight. I don't know if it's the Indians' mojo or something, but that's what he did when he stole the Indians' mojo. This was their burial mound. This is where they found their sacred. Wow. Fuck all that. Paved my streets with it. Make that my mojo. And then somebody else is in there now going, yeah, fuck your mojo. It's weird. And, you know, I don't need to believe in all the spiritual stuff. But, you know, H.P. Lovecraft has a great quote about that. He says, I don't need to believe in Santa Claus to know that people exchange gifts on December 25th. I can still follow your craziness even if I'm not crazy, right? So, in this case, they seem to be up to fucking some crazy shit over there. But it just happens to be where biggest concentration of elongated skulls in history were. Wow. And history doesn't record. When I say this shit, all the archaeologists, oh, there's no proof. Simple math. To be buried here, you had to be a noble. To be a noble, your skull had to be modified. 3,000 burials were reported. Not complicated here. Not tricky. But they'll argue with this. To the end, oh, Dan doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Okay. What is your take on the Grand Canyon? Hmm. The Grand Canyon stuff is really weird. Talking about Kincaid's Cave and shit? Yeah. Yes. Dude, that's, again, one of those things where it's like, you know, two years ago I'd have been like, yeah, it probably is Native American stuff. At this point now, I joked the last one of these quest for ancient civilization things that we had. I joked on stage when they asked, they were talking about different things that I said that the next time that we have some, 9/11 type of shit and all the alphabet boys run back east, I'm fucking, brought off to the Grand Canyon. It's time, boys. Well, right now you can't go into the area. Yeah, because all the alphabet boys are there. It's restricted. Yeah. There's a part of the Grand Canyon that's restricted because it's, air quote, too dangerous. Or it's Native American sacred site, depending on who you ask. Yeah, but I haven't heard that part. Well, yeah, that's been the explanation that I usually see. Oh, that it's Native American sacred site. Yeah, sacred site. Did they claim it's sacred? I don't know. Because you would imagine the whole thing is sacred. You would think. Wouldn't you think that they were, like, that's not stopped us before. I was going to say, all of a sudden we give a fuck? What about Mount Rushmore? But the fact, right, the fact that it happens to coincidentally be the place where this guy said he found a cave with Egyptian art in it. Exactly. That's where, what year was that story? I want to say 1920s. 1909. I'm off, sorry. Let's see what is his report. It says it's a hoax. Yeah, of course it says it's a hoax. No, sorry. So. There were hoaxes back then. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There were a bunch of hoaxes. A bunch of people. It's like there were a contest to try to get your fucking hoax reported the most. Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's hoaxes. The Grand Canyon hoax. The thing that's weird to me is that you can't go there. Oh, yeah. A 1909 newspaper story claiming a vast ancient underground city complete with mummies, copper tools, hieroglyphs, and oriental, in quotes, or Egyptian-style artifacts have been discovered inside the canyon, overwhelmingly regarded as a period. Tall tale. Not an archaeological discovery. In March 12, 2009, G.E. Kincaid. 1909. Excuse me. 1909. G.E. Kincaid, supposedly a lone explorer who had traveled the Colorado River from Green River, Wyoming, to Yuma. April 5th, 1909, paper dramatically expanded the claim. It said Kincaid had found a nearly inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon that Professor S.A. Jordan and the Smithsonian. We're investigating it. The article described hundreds of rooms, mummies in a crypt, copper and gold vessels, strange writing, a Buddha-like idol, granaries, and space for up to 50,000 inhabitants. Wait, what? Yeah. Said the inhabitants may have originated in Egypt or somewhere in the Orient. But no, I do know that Jason guy, and he's kind of a two-faced piece of crap, so I wouldn't trust everything that he says here. If he saw something that flew in the face of his narrative, he will not report it. Who was this guy? veto guy he's a professional debunker that's um basically yeah i he's he's one if you ask graham hancock to list off the top 10 pieces of shit they argue with him that guy's name is going to come up there's no known physical evidence no cave complex matching the description excavated material field notes photographs maps uh accession records or peer-reviewed archaeological report the alleged smithsonian personnel and expedition do not correspond to a documented smithsonian project in the way the article claimed but is there a documented smithsonian project in the grand canyon well to me to me this is like really simple this is the same as it's simple to figure out whether or not these skulls have more like capacity or not just fucking let somebody go there if it's too dangerous or if it's a native get a native american archaeology team get some drones fucking investigate and close the door on it but let me ask you this if they really did find an immense cavern that could have 50 000 people living in it and they found egyptian hieroglyphs and mummies and sarcophagus or whatever they have whatever they found do you think they would hide that i that's a tough one honestly honestly something don't you think that the people that discovered that would become famous oh yeah and it would be a huge thing and archaeologists would want to get credit for it yes and no um like like let's put it this way say for instance you found something that that that proved those tridactyl mummies were real okay you know you're going to get pushback right now say for instance you're a mainstream archaeologist your your whole job is is reliant on going through the proper channels now i've seen what flint did to me when i call him out as a liar do you know how many people call me they put me in the same fucking camp as madame blavonsky now i'm dead serious they'll call me total pseudoscientist they say that i believe in all kinds of crazy shit who's that person you just said madame blavonsky who's that she's one of the uh old like the turn of the century during the uh like a hundred years ago when everybody was the the what do they call it they're in the mesmerism era and stuff when all the people were seances and she was one of those shit artists and so she they put me in the same category right um like the guy that i talked to about the metallurgy and the ice age is an ice core specialist flint crawled up his ass and got this dude to retract what he said and stuff if you're a mainstream archaeologist and you fly afoul of these other guys you're liable to lose your job yeah like i was saying earlier it says it right in the wikipedia thing if you posited an earlier dating of the people in the americas than this these guys were going to destroy your career i understand that but to get the military involved and to block off the grand canyon because there's an area that's too dangerous or it's an area that's sacred to native americans to me is a bit of a reach that you get the pentagon involved and they they send fucking blackhawk helicopters to circle the area and make sure that hikers aren't yeah something's up there something's up there i mean it might be nothing more than they got a military base sitting in there i mean dude in sedona holy shit i'd never seen a ufo and i went when i was there's a but they call secret mountain and they handed me these dudes hand me these night vision goggles and it was like you're seeing all these little things in the air and then it was like five lights come out from this cloud they move in unition and they all disappeared together and i was like all this happens over secret mountain all the time i'm like yeah sedona's a weird place man sedona's fucking weird and the people there are weird as fuck i have never seen so many hustlers that weren't hooked on meth in my fucking life everybody there's got they everybody there's got a way to make 20 bucks here 20 bucks a day that's what they're doing everybody's got a way to make 20 bucks here 20 bucks a day that's what they're doing everybody's got a way to make 20 bucks a day that's got a way to make 20 bucks a day that's what they're doing everybody's got a way to make 20 bucks a day that's what they're doing everybody's got a way to make 20 bucks a day that's what they're doing but that's because it's more expensive but that's because it's more expensive but that's because it's more expensive to buy a to rent a home in sedona than it to buy a to rent a home in sedona than it to buy a to rent a home in sedona than it is to rent property to rent business is to rent property to rent business is to rent property to rent business property on the main drag they can't get property on the main drag they can't get property on the main drag they can't get minimum wage people to work there they minimum wage people to work there they minimum wage people to work there they they it's 20 miles to the nearest town 15 they it's 20 miles to the nearest town 15 they it's 20 miles to the nearest town 15 miles the nearest town so like they have miles the nearest town so like they have miles the nearest town 15 miles the nearest town 15 miles the nearest town 15 miles uh because of the uh miles the nearest town 15 miles uh because of the uh what do you call it the um yeah because of the uh what do you call it the um yeah the the reputation of uh you know the the reputation of uh you know the the reputation of uh you know it's funny the the guy uh my my buddy it's funny the the guy uh my my buddy it's funny the the guy uh my my buddy robert he's organizing this whole thing robert he's organizing this whole thing robert he's organizing this whole thing that's going to be at the acl he uh that's going to be at the acl he uh that's going to be at the acl he uh he's lived in sedona for years and he He tells me like a lot of these vortices, like there was like three of them that were energy vortices that were known about. And then this woman comes through in the 80s or the 90s. And he said she found a whole bunch more. And he says, it's really funny. She's grossly overweight. And that's why every one of the vortices she found is about five feet from the highway. The three real ones, they're out in the sticks, man, or in the desert. But she says it's right there. Right next to my bag of juju beans. That's funny. Has anybody tried to find, I know there's this one guy who went to the Grand Canyon and he got chased out. But he found something really weird there. Yeah, I just found a comment on a video that said this guy was actually hit by a drunk driver. And he has some of the best videos. Oh, hit by a drunk driver and killed? Yes, he's dead now. Yeah, I used to watch this guy a lot. This video has four million views in two years. A lot of people will use Google Earth and be like, hey, check this out. But motherfucker. Use Google Earth and then he'd go there. And what did he find that's so baffling? I don't know. I have to watch the video. Can you imagine if they whacked this guy because he found something? Uh-huh. That's happened before. What did he find? So is he in the area where you're not supposed to be? I don't know. I'm trying to stumble. I'm going through all sorts of places real quick. I also would go if it wouldn't be two years later that we just found this amazing discovery. People would have shared this every day on Twitter, you know? Yeah. Right. But what is it? What's the amazing discovery? I don't know. It could be nothing. What is this? I don't know. I don't know where he's at. He found this? That's a cliff dwelling, obviously. That's in the Grand Canyon? Yeah. I've seen this in other pictures, though. So it's not a discovery. Right. So we know there were dwellings in the Grand Canyon. The real question is that grand claim of something that has 50,000 people in it. Just type in Grand Canyon hidden cave. A thousand hidden caves, although around 335 are officially recorded. Okay. And most are strictly off limits to the public. See, that's where- Now, why are those off limits to the public, but other cliff dwelling places allow people to- What's that? All sorts of reasons. Where they are. Like you said, it could be a part of it's on native land. Right. So it's probably very dangerous to get to. Grand Canyon- And they don't want to come save you. Yeah. But it does get kind of weird when you look at like- So some of them are legal. It says legal visits, Grand Canyon Caverns, located off Route 66 near Peach Springs, Arizona, the biggest, largest dry caverns in the U.S., and offer public tours. Click on that. Yeah. So just because it's not open to the public doesn't mean you can't go there. You just have to ask for permission probably in some cases and just get a tour guide or something. Yeah. But I think the area we're talking about is closed. I haven't seen the- I'm looking for a list of where the spot is or something. It's at the mouth of the Colorado River is where Kincaid supposedly found his thing. So right at the mouth of the Colorado River is where the Grand Canyon is like supposed- Yeah. What I understand is where you just can't go, like on the side of the hill there, on the side of the cliff. But I haven't tried going- Dun, dun, dun. I'm waiting, again, I'm waiting for the next time until there's a national disaster and everybody runs back east. Because, man, you know, living on the West Coast, I don't live far from Hanford in little ways, but it's real clear. Like when World War II happened, they're like, oh, we're going to build this fucking crazy bomb that might blow the world up. Let's put it all the way on the other side of the country from where we live, over where all those cowboys and hicks live. And if we're- If we, you know, if Washington glows in the dark, well, then 50 years later, we got a bunch of blue-haired motherfuckers running out of Seattle. So figure that one out as you will. But they definitely, you know, they put all the poison over with us. That's how they plan to do it. It's the same as in the desert, right? They dump all that shit out in the desert. Why do they test all the nukes in the desert instead of over somewhere near the east? Because they don't want that shit blowing in their backyard. All those nice Rhode Island houses you're talking about, they don't need radiated. Radiate Seattle. Right. So- Damn. Yeah. Yeah. Hanford's crazy. If you ever drive through there up in Washington, there's all these nuclear storage facility. I wonder if someone has a reason why you can't go to that area that they could tell us about. That's, unfortunately, from what I've seen, I mean, I'm not as, Jamie's pretty damn quick. So I'll get, you know, he might find something that I haven't seen quickly. But from what I've seen, it's very much like he says, she says, this guy said there was stuff there. They say there's nothing. There's nothing there. They won't let you go there. There was one guy that claims to have tried to go there. And like, he supposedly had a video where like people stopped him before he got there. But I watched it. It looked kind of like maybe. But they say that about Secret Mountain in Sedona. They say that if you go walking around on Secret Mountain up in Sedona, that eventually a park ranger will come up to you. He's a lot buffer and better armed than most park rangers you're going to meet. And Joe Rogan security? No. Do you think there's maybe some sort of- Is there some sort of an alien base somewhere in the United States? If there are aliens and they're actively working with governments at all, then ours, the Russians and the Chinese would be the only ones they'd give a fuck about. Let's be honest. The rest of the countries or the rest of the world all kind of just follows us. The oils, if you're an alien race, the oils, oh, look at those cute guys and their coal. But beyond that, yeah, I think if – I don't – again, I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to alien stuff. But if aliens are visiting Earth, then, yeah, I would – if they're working with humans at all, then, yeah, they're probably working with governments. And when I say skeptical about the aliens thing, it's really one of two things. Either we're so far away and technology so – like, look at where we're at now. We're maybe 100 years from actually some sort of interstellar travel, and we're also maybe 20 years from completely wiping ourselves out. I was thinking a 20-year-old kid with a million dollars can buy CRISPR and sit there and make jeans in his fucking base. Fuck. We ain't looking long left on this rock, bro. We got fucking AI. Do you hear what they did with that fruit fly? They took the fruit fly brain, put it in a computer, a physics engine, and it's all running around and flying like it's real. They max headroomed this fruit fly. They chopped its brain into little pieces. Well, now they got it playing Beat Saber and fucking Doom and all this other shit. And you ever read the book I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream? At the very end, it's like these aliens' genetics. They're genetically manipulating people, and at the end, there's this person that – it's just like a blob, and that's what it says. I have no mouth, but I feel the urge to scream. Imagine being a fruit fly with my balls itch. I press the balls itch button, it's Beat Saber. It's like, fuck. That fruit fly is going to suffer more than any other animal in the history of humanity from kids pulling the wings off a fly. Oh, just set that brain to experience 10,000 years of me ripping its wings off. And here we are. We're doing it right now. We're doing that shit right now that they're ripping the wings, but Beat Saber and shit. That thing suffers. So. So, anyway, my point is, as a species, as we look at going out into the stars, we're all so guttural as fuck. So, a species has to get through a lot of – has a lot of hurdles to jump. Right. But if they jump those hurdles, there ain't no way we're not going to be impressive. We're not going to be attractive because they're – the universe is dead, man. So, it's dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead life. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead life. They're going to look at us. So, I have basically two sides of the coin on that is on the one I'm pretty skeptical of them getting – getting it going. But if they did getting it going, well, yeah, they'd come around. Yeah. I don't know that they would be like us. Like, our idea is, like, that we're so violent and we develop these weapons. We do that. We're so close to destroying ourselves. What if that's a factor of accelerated evolution? What if that's a factor of you take intellect and this lust for technology and to transform its environment and you implant that in a territorial prime? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Like, you're dealing with, like, a weird hybrid of an evolved species. Like, an evolved species that still maintains this tribal primitive behavior but also has this incredible lust for innovation. No, I could see that. So, we're, like, too complicated because we're not good. Yeah, we didn't. We're shit design. Yeah, we grew out of our – too big one direction, I follow. And, yeah, that's a good possibility. I mean, it's – Ultimately, my brain on these things ends up thinking about the probability of all these different things happening. It seems to me if we were genetically manipulated by aliens, you know, even not if we weren't genetically manipulated by aliens, you know, one of the things you have to do to get off of the rock is going to have to be a curious species, right? That's something – otherwise, they don't give a fuck. They're going to have to be social because they're going to have to work together or they're going to have to be godlike in and of themselves. So, there's a few things that we can assume about them. But, yeah, we only have one example of intelligence evolving. And if it didn't evolve, if it was created like you're saying, then we don't really know. We have multiple examples. Well, kind of. We have dolphins and orcas. Yeah, we have a hard time. And whales. Well, we have a hard time – we have a hard time – like you were saying earlier, we have a hard time understanding them. They might be extremely intelligent in a lot of ways, but there's a lot of – they might not be the least bit intelligent. A raccoon might be way better – probably is way better at manipulating its environment than a dolphin. Of course. So, at that point – Because it's not necessary in their world. They move through 3D space. Exactly. So, their brain might not even have developed certain things that we – Right. Yeah. Then the question is, did it develop something else? Like, is their form of communication superior? That's – see, that's where really, like, the words – like, what is – what's the end goal? Is the end goal to have a good life? Or is the end goal to get off the rock? I mean, if the end goal is to have a good life, Ari Matheson's got it nailed when he talks about the people on the – the love on the spectrum. They're way happier than all the rest of us are. Ari Matty, excuse me. But the love on the spectrum – or, excuse me, the – you know, is it about happiness or is it about survival? Is it about getting off the – what's the end goal? It's like – Well, is the end goal collective for the human species to evolve and advance and move past the state that we're at now? Or is your own individual existence and your happiness currently? Like, what's important? And we don't really move collectively as individuals. We think – we do things collectively, but we think about ourselves. Yeah, absolutely. You know, when people are, like, planning for their retirement, they're not, like, trying to help out the human race. They're, like, trying to provide for themselves. That's correct. But on the other side – Like, when I'm working on doing research – and you do a lot of research, so you'll probably understand this yourself – or when GSP invents the Superman punch, it's like, when you bring something new to the world, you kind of feel cool. You know, you kind of feel like, I've just contributed to the grand total of human thinking. And I didn't just add, like, a dot or something. I actually – I contribute. So you could see – we're almost like a subconscious desire to do that. So, yeah, it is weird. It's like, you know, we do – you watch birds fly together and fish moving to school, and then you watch mobs. It's like, dude, there is some sort of unimind that's tying us together. And I'm not trying to get all metaphysical. It might not be nothing more than pheromones and chemicals, but something's got us where – people act – you can feel it at times. You can walk into a room and feel the fucking energy and just know, oh, I shouldn't be in this room. These people don't like me. It's not – and it's not necessarily, like – It's not necessarily like a metaphysical thing, although that's the branch – the stamp that everybody puts on it. It's one of the unfortunate things is that if something becomes – like water dowsing. If something starts as a metaphysical thing, science is going to knee-jerk to the end of time to resist it. But ask anybody who drills wells about dowsing. If they drill wells for a fucking living, they douse, period. Just like a cop knows that full moon fever is a thing. The scientist, well, full moon fever, statistically – the cop's like, yeah. What do you think is going on with dowsing? Honestly, I think it's – you remember when – Do you remember when we used to have tube TVs everywhere and you'd walk down the street and you'd know your friend was watching TV because you could feel the fucking hair on the back of your neck stand up or whatever? No. You don't remember? You never felt the electromagnetic feeling of a tube TV? No. Well, I didn't walk by my friend's house and know he was watching TV. No. Did you ever – you ever been able to walk into a room and know that that tube TV was on? You don't remember, like, the – God, I don't – I don't remember that. Well, I know that a lot of the viewers remember it. It's a thing. I'm sure if Jamie looks it up, it's – You could feel the energy of the TV? You could feel the – the old tube TV. The old tube TVs, you could feel them. And they don't have an exact reason. But, you know, it's electromagnetics and maybe there's iron in your blood. And so this dowsing, it's like with rods, those twisty rods, and they move together when you're getting close to – Walking over a water source, yeah, they just do this kind of – Do you think it really works? According to the guys that make money off of it, it does. And I wouldn't – I mean – Has anybody tried to do a study on why that would work? That's where – The only thing that I've seen, we're pretty skeptical and pretty kind of just like it doesn't work. But, again, that's kind of where the rubber meets the road. It's like – It seems like that would be easy to prove. You'd think so. Like you'd get a dowser. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is that they – science wants everybody to be able to do it. You know what I mean? They want to be able to – we're going to get 50 people together and have them all go out in the field and dowse. You would take someone as good as – So CRT sets used a high-voltage flyback transformer. Transformer and magnetic deflection system to sweep an electron beam across the screen. Those parts commonly vibrated around the horizontal scan frequency, roughly 15 to 16 kilohertz in many TV standards, creating a very high thin tone. Children and young adults tend to hear high frequencies better. So they were especially likely to walk into a house or pass a closed door and immediately know the TV was running. Okay. Static charge and belief, that as well. That's interesting. Children and younger adults can pick it up. Like they also like see ghosts. Yeah. This might be what a difference. You're just a few years older than me and so you might not remember it as well. Maybe. Maybe people just get duller over time and they can't feel it anymore. Well, these don't use those transformers and all that. Right. Of course these don't. Yeah. These are a joke by comparison. But my point is there's things like this that we can pick up on. There's things that we pick up on that we can be tested. And honestly, I love psychology, although psychology just like archaeology is not a science. I don't care when. Anything that's self-reported is not a fucking science. You think Epstein told his shrink what he was up to? Fuck no. Okay. There you go. But psychology does have some scientific bits. And one of the things, though, is ultimately it's the lens that all of it comes through. Everything that we do comes down through that psychological lens, like me talking earlier about it. A hundred years for them to reconcile gradualism and catastrophism. It's all through here. And it's all through the zeitgeist of the time, like right now, racism. the big thing and all this social programs and so that becomes part of science for whatever fucking reason i mean i'll still never forget the time i saw the article about feminist math and i just wanted to fucking what was it feminist math you know it's with that i don't know maybe six oppresses seven i don't fucking know i don't really know i guess seven's more pointy and six has the whole so probably the other way at any rate uh it's i just laughed it's there's we don't have room for that shit in science the whole point of science i say this a bunch the whole point of science is to like the whole point of the scientific method is to strip individual biases away this is why replicability is so fucking important because if i do it and you do it and you don't get the same result as me there's a problem um it's weird when it gets into racial differences and they just ignore it completely and they they call the data racist oh yeah that's exactly what that and then then the guys that are like openly racist they love that data well the weird thing about the data being racist is uh it's not white supremacist at all because asians are doing way better yeah exactly but you don't want to talk about right you're gonna that's like the problem is the people that aren't doing as well the problem is is that they're in my opinion is they're trying to take marxism and turn it into a anything besides a monetary bullshit idea you're trying to do it well at a social level social marxism oh come on dude this is how you get the oppression olympics you know i've i've got it you know how much money i had to spend to get custody of my kid and i had no social programs for me oh what was there you go hey go on to that shit forever it's it's so stupid uh what am i you know 95 of the people that are shot in this country by the cops are men do we need a men's lives matter movement or is that a little fucked up okay but that's it's well it's also men are the ones who create most of the violence they're the ones that need to get shot well this how about how it is my thinking is like this when a a cop shoots a person he's shoots a guy he feels more threatened than he does by a woman and when he shoots a black guy he feels more threatened than he does by a white guy now whether that's racism or personal experience or town by town difference whatever at the end of the day just saying this is pure racism is like okay well then this is pure sexism right oh no it's not pure sexism when they're shooting guys but it's when they're black i mean in all honesty donald trump has a higher chance of being shot by the cops wrongly than he does by a black guy than kamala harris that's statistically like way more likely like 20 times more likely in terms of men getting shot more than women white guys are 20 times more likely to get shot by the cops wrongly than a black woman right and this is not that's not denying racism or sexism that's you're dealing with statistics i'm what i'm trying to do is take that i only bring these up because so many people bring up these statistics to say this is a problem and this is a problem and this is a problem and that's what would you bring up this one that's just overwhelmingly it's like all of a sudden we differently it's the social marxism thing it's like and it's also there's like a currency in being oppressed there's a currency in recognizing oppression there's a currency in signaling virtue that you recognize oppression that other people don't you know admitting your whatever whatever biases on the floor whatever you know i'm so sorry whatever privilege you may have yeah land acknowledgements all that crazy stuff it's like you know it we're trying to be good people but we're doing it in a way that points at everybody else like they're bad that's exactly and that's where it gets real squirrely because people are using the the premise of being a good person to be really shitty to people that don't deserve it no i yeah i just you know and they don't do anything on their own like they're going to tell me that i should be doing x y or z but like kansas university recently like put out this big thing about how they feel so bad for living on india and they don't do anything on their own they don't they don't do anything on their own because they don't know what to do with the indigenous land and you know give it back thank you no they're giving it back you know what they even they even repatriated all the bones that they've got that they're supposed to repatriate it in 1990. i've only been to one place where i saw an actual land disclosure and it was at the south by southwest premiere of the age of disclosure and i thought this was so hilarious there is a documentary about us being invaded by aliens and before they play the documentary they have to acknowledge that someone invaded this land and took it from the natives and this is the ancestral tribal land of the tongue whatever tribes they they said we must acknowledge this first like wouldn't you play the movie this isn't a history lesson isn't a struggle session play the fucking movie it's literally about us getting invaded by aliens yeah and and this is supposed to make it like better better you're a good person because you acknowledge this all right i gotta wrap up this up um your thing uh is give out the dates tell everybody it's october 16th through 18th at the quest for ancient civilizations conference at the acl live it's right here in austin it should be a banger of a time it's gonna be amazing i'm sure it's gonna be awesome all those people there randall carlson yeah billy carson who else yeah whole bunch kurt metzger and duncan trussell together that's a tonka trussell on test and doing deadlifts for 10 years um david childress great great cast of people awesome david childress is a really good dude what do they do to you man they made you look well you know it's ai it's you look like alan watts i look like somebody else entirely i i almost amish you look very odd either way thanks you sound just like the chicks at the bar last it's a problem with the fucking ai you don't have to do that or do it do it and do it right i i say it to everybody i actually had a production team or i wanted to like get me to sign up to do you know for them to help produce for me and stuff and when i told them that i was not going to have any ai videos no ai clipping no ai thumbnails and certainly no way i communicated with my followers they're like we'll have to get back to you on the price i'm like yeah i just took your tool belt didn't i they wanted to be easy yeah i could buy a good ai too anyway thank you thank you dan always good to see you brother you too man thanks everybody tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college that's why she shops at bj's wholesale club saving up to 25 off grocery store prices beef jerky microwave meals laundry pods 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