#2561 - LL Cool J

the Joe Rogan experience trained by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day I promise you I believe it yeah we're up I got sneaker recommendations from LL Cool J I'll take that I was wearing these pumas I'm gonna throw them he said I'm gonna incinerate them you'll throw them in the incinerator okay I don't know if that's true but I like yeah I you have no reason to believe me yet I'll give you that you have no reason to believe me but when you when you try you're gonna say yo your man was telling the truth okay you'll see you're gonna come back on and say that all right I promise you I believe you I'll give it a shot I'll give it a shot um well anyway very nice to meet you nice to meet you I met you a long fucking time ago very briefly yeah we were at this stupid NBA seat thing it was very funny because you were making fun of it it was some sick you know they do those things where they have all the new shows and everybody has to show up it's like everyone sits down I was at a table with you okay and I was a nobody this was like 1994 I was like oh shit that's how cool j it was I was just getting it was just still weird for me to be around famous people and I remember you were like what the fuck is this you're making fun of the whole thing I was like god I wish I could do that like this guy's making fun of this shit like you didn't give a fuck about it all it was really funny I mean you could never take it too serious no you can you know what I mean like like we're not you know we're not gonna take it too serious you know well life is good especially those kind of things where they sit down they announce all the shows and you have to clap you know they have all these well you know you know I mean I'm gonna be you don't have manners but at the same time I'm not gonna take it too serious no but you were making fun of it I was enjoying it this is like this is the 90s this is a long long time ago oh yeah do you've had a fucking insane career man I mean when did you get signed weren't you like 17 or some shit like how old were you when you first got your first contract so um 16 16 16 we started Def Jam Wow Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons well Rick started Def Jam right as a production company Rick and Russell together formed Def Jam the label and I was the first act the first song on Def Jam Productions was It's Yours by Tila Rock and then from there the label was formed because that was streetwise party time and then from there the label was formed and uh you know the rest is history that's incredible Ad Rock from the Beastie Boys actually programmed the beat Rick Rubin produced it and uh I did the mic and here we go most people who get that successful at 16 have a very difficult time keeping their shit together but you just managed to keep smiling and floating through this thing yeah you know what you know what you don't feel yo man you get up you get enough bites at the apple yep you know what I mean 16 yeah yeah that was probably about 17 18 right there wow I always could tell by my jewelry you know what I'm saying you know wow yeah that's pretty cool yeah that's pretty cool yeah that's pretty cool yeah that's pretty cool back in the boombox days yeah the boombox man that was everything that meant everything to me oh everybody had those back then absolutely people would carry them around walking down the street with their own music absolutely we're in a different world now people don't understand what it was like back then yeah because actually uh in a weird way even though the world is more public music has become more private right right right right the world was private but music was public back then right right right it's like it's like an inverted word you know what I mean yeah well you I mean it's no exaggeration to say you're a pioneer because hip-hop was so new back then yeah yeah it was so new yeah like sugar hill which was in like sugar hill rappers delight was 79 but I got into hip-hop before that because I was listening to like grandmaster flash interference four before they were the five and the treacherous three and oh and the cold crush and what year was that that's 75 76 77 wow you know around that time you know what I mean and I was hearing the tapes because they were circulating because I was in Queens you know what I mean so the tapes were coming out of the Bronx and when I was in Long Island see I was raised I was born in Long Island I was raised in Queens but I also lived in North Babylon and um when I was in North Babylon next door um there was a lot of foster kids who were from my family and I was raised in Queens and I was raised in Queens and I was raised in Queens from uptown who were from the Bronx and from from Brooklyn well Bronx and in Harlem and Brooklyn so I would hear all the tapes when hip-hop was emerging so I was like you know eight years old and I was getting exposed to like all of the you know the newest of the new at a really young age so I got like indoctrinated and dipped in the baptized in the fire hip-hop early you know what I mean what a fortuitous time to be a kid too like it's the perfect time because it's all emerging around you yeah it's like it's like when Gladwell talks about you know um you know that moment the tipping point well people being born in certain places you know when he talks about you know being in Seattle when computers were yes when software exploded or so I was in New York at that same time it's very much in that same yeah that same thing you know you get sprinkled with a little dust you know the man upstairs you know get a little sprinkle be in the right place got the capability yeah you know and the drive and the discipline yeah stick to it yeah yeah I mean obviously you have that you're still in great shape you gotta be you know yeah you still keep it together I do I do I've been um you know I recently uh started uh doing Jiu Jitsu which has been really yeah yes where you training uh Brian Glick where's he at he's in Brooklyn he's okay and um he trained under Donna hair oh great oh phenomenal yeah and uh so that's a great lineage yeah yeah so he's uh he's a lot of fun he actually my man Scott Scott Khan you know put me on to him oh okay yeah we've been working so it's uh it's very humbling you know you you think you're yeah yeah exactly exactly that's Glick that's Glick that's my teacher and uh and so that's a lot of fun that's uh how long you've been doing that not long at all and you find out that uh you think you're a tough guy but you're really a little old lady you find out really quickly it's so humbling oh oh oh oh you're tough oh you're tough exactly you find out real quick so I've uh you know because you know when I was young I did I enjoyed martial arts like a little Sado karate a little Wing Chung a little each one like I I like the martial arts so but this one this is uh a completely different thing because you know yeah it's just you know you feel helpless there's no question about it you are yeah you're helpless and you don't think you are until you do it and then your whole world shatters you like oh no yeah a guy put you on a closed guard and say get out come on get out you're good and you you you do everything but stand up you know when you first thought it's crazy yeah so it's fun it's it's a deep pool too there's a lot to learn it keeps going forever and ever and ever yeah yeah yeah but life yeah that's what I like about life yeah you know because uh you know we want to maximize our potential right well I think it's really good for famous people to do something that doesn't depend at all on your personality or your status or your stature I think it's good for your head because it's it's an undeniable thing like you are either good at this or you are not good at this there's there's no charm there's no charisma you know what I'm saying I'm really charismatic let me go yeah they love you the moment they see you but there's none of that charisma your way out of an Americana because that's the opiate for celebrities like this thing with everybody loves you and needing that well see here's the thing here's the thing I'm a celebrity by consequence like as a result of what I did I'm not a I'm not a guy who's celebrity minded I'm an artist Joe you know what I'm saying I I you know I'm famous by default because of the things that I do have made me known but I don't walk in rooms feeling famous like I'm an artist that's a great respect I'm not in it for like the fame thing I'm like I'm way more blue collar I'm not like remotely interested in in in hitting you with the famous with the long cigarette holder and the ascot and like I'm like so not into that like I'm like way different like I'm not even remotely near that part of living a healthier lifestyle means being extra careful of what you put into your body AG1 Pro gets that their formula was carefully crafted with vitamins probiotics and superfoods your body needs plus enhanced support for 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But me walking in with the cigarette. It was the end of the day and I had a cigarette holder. And when you said, "Hey, hey, hello," I went like this. You know, it just hits you with the. What is the purpose of the cigarette holder? But other than keeping the cigarette further from your face? I don't want my hands dirty. I don't want my hands to smell like cigarettes. I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong. I don't know what the purpose is, it's just all wrong. The only person who pulled it off was Hunter S. Thompson. He had it and just somehow or another seemed ridiculous. Can we put a picture up of him? Because I'm not familiar. Hunter S. Thompson, the writer. He's the one that they did that Johnny Depp movie, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Okay. Okay. It's based on one of his books. Okay. He used to have a cigarette holder. Yeah, but he's doing it a little bit more aggressively. I'm talking about that other one. Yeah. The long one. The long one. The black one with the silver ring. Yeah, you know, you know. Yeah, I think he did it more authentically. Man, Hunter's cool. Oh, he was cool as fuck. Yeah, he's cool. A complete total maniac. You know what I mean? Out of his mind on drugs. Out of his mind on drugs, but wrote some of the most genius shit ever. I mean, you know, you make it through, man. If you're going through hell, keep going, baby. Yeah. Make it through and come out the other side. Some people need something to get out of their own head, you know. And that's. Yeah, it's called humility. Yeah. Yeah, that helps, too. That perspective that you have is a great perspective because, like, that's the way to get through it. And young people should hear that, too, is that, like, just be an artist and be famous as a consequence of what you've done. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. As opposed to because if you're arrogant, you can't learn anything. And the most fulfilling thing of this whole thing is learning some stuff. Yeah. Like, that's what's fun. Right. Right. What's not fun is just thinking about yourself all day. That's kind of boring, at least to me. Well, it's kind of crazy. It is. It really is. And the best way to not think about yourself all day is try to learn something difficult. Hundred percent. Yeah. Hundred percent. Yeah. Like when you're doing jujitsu, the last thing you're thinking about, you know, is yourself. You're not thinking about anything. Yeah. You're just surviving. You're just thinking about surviving and hoping that he doesn't give you the. That's the worst thing coming out of your mouth. It's so humiliating. You know? Yeah. That's cool that you're doing that, though. It's very exciting. Yes. You know, man, I like that. And I like reading, you know, love the books, man. What kind of shit do you read? I read everything. Yeah? Yeah. I read everything from Carl von Clausewitz to. Who's that? He's an Austrian general. Prussian general, actually. Prussian. Prussian general who, you know, talked about this concept called friction. And he has this Clausewitzian triangle where he talks about, like, you know, you have these three these three areas that the pendulum swings over, like probability and chance, logic and reason and luck. You know, no, probability and chance, logic and reason and passion and enmity, hatred. You can look at society right now and you can take a Clausewitzian trinity and put it over society. And you know that we're operating in a place of emotions and passions. So logic and reasons wouldn't even make any, you know, wouldn't even mean anything. So it's the trinity, you know, so it really helps you think about life, you know. Interesting. So the grand strategy is at the center of it all. Government, politics, reason, intelligence, the armed forces, calculation, chance, game of chance, odds, values. Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah. Well, how did you get into this guy? I just read all kinds of stuff. I love literature, love history, love reading things that make me better. You know what I'm saying? And what you find out is the more you read, the less you know, the more you know, the more you find out, the more you realize you don't know shit. And because of that, it becomes more exciting. So and I wanted to navigate entertainment. It's like what you talked about, right? You know, you're 16, 17, 18 years old. Now, either you can get high all day, spend all your money and twist yourself out and go on a binge or you can figure out something else, you know what I'm saying? And so I just. How did you know that at 16? And my mother, my mother would show me like books of like drug addicts would like sores on their arms and say, hey, Todd, this is, you know, this is what happens when you, you know, get out in that world. If you can ruin your career and ruin your life. This is what happens, you know. And now and, you know, that combined with her telling me, Todd, you know, girls don't like dummies, you know what I mean? You know, not like you're trying to be like, you know, Mr. Scientist, like some pedantic super nerd at the same time, though. You want to stay inquisitive, stay curious, you know what I mean? Well, women want a man who can navigate life. There's no question about that. And intelligence is one of the best ways, one of the best tools to navigate life. Intelligence, health. And that inner emotional strength. You need intestinal fortitude to go with the intelligence, right? Because if you have intelligence but no willpower, you still get banged out. Right. You just be a smart punk. There's a lot of smart bitches out there in this world. That gives up early, but you're smart. I know why I'm giving up, you know, that kind of stuff. I know why I'm giving up, but I'm going to go to therapy and never get better. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the that's one of the key elements of society today that's not embraced is like discipline, discipline and drive and understanding that you have to have the ability to persevere through difficult times and that giving up. There's no there's no virtue in being emotional and giving up. That's the opposite. It's bad for you. Everybody feels bad sometimes in your life. But giving up like that and celebrating that and embracing it, you know, like, oh, he's in he's in he's in touch with his emotions. No, that's what that is in touch with. That's some shit that's going to get him, get him, get him ran over. No, you know, like, you know, you got to see. Empathy is not the same as what you're right because empathy, we need empathy. Yes. Empathy is not the same as weakness. Exactly. Yeah. And, you know, one spark instead of prairie on fire. So we got to be, you know, we got to manage our moods and we got to be able to do what we need to do even when we don't feel like doing it. Right. Because that's the language of success. Yeah. Right. That's a really important quote. One spark can set a prairie on fire because how many people they spiral out from one bad thought, they start pursuing. There you go. Yeah. You got to get out of your own way. Like that's that's super important. Mm hmm. That's super important. Like it is, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I know. No one teaches you that shit in school. Like you have to have wise people around you to show you that way or you have to slowly figure it out on your own. Yeah, you got to you got to you got to go through some drama and you got to be able to see the silver lining. And you got to have you got to be able to finish the marathon. And that requires. Your ability to, you know, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I know it's kind of a cliche, but it's true. You got to be comfortable being uncomfortable, like you got to be able to keep going and understand that there's a other there's another side like I heard this guy, I don't know who he was, so I'm not trying to take credit for this. But this guy said, like, if you're on a plane and you know, one engine's on fire, if you're flying a plane, you keep flying. And he said, if what else were you going to do? I mean, yeah, you look to land, but you got to keep going. You don't crash the plane. If two engines are on fire, what do you do? You keep flying until you can say that. So in life, you don't give up just because one of your engines is not acting the way you want it to. Right. You have to treat your life like you, you know, attitude determines your altitude, right? So you got to. Well, everybody wants to be comfortable. That's the thing. Because we're so often uncomfortable that everyone seeks to be comfortable. And then once they're comfortable, they want to hold on to it and only be comfortable. Right. And then they stop making progress. Exactly. They stop evolving. Exactly. And they become defensive. Yes. They just crawl up and become a hedgehog. They just go into a ball and don't try to do nothing in life. They also get very upset at ambitious people. Well, some can. Some people can. Some people can. Because it's a reminder, right? Yeah. I can understand how painful it might be for somebody who is afraid to go for that next level, afraid to do that next thing, to see somebody else wholeheartedly committing. Yeah. But what you have to understand is that, like, you have somebody say to you, I don't want to go back to school. You'd be like, why? I'm saying if they want to do, oh, because it'll take three years. Well, three years from now is going to be three years from now any goddamn way. Right. So just go back to school. So going back to school. Going back to what you were saying, it's like, like, the idea of making it, you just got to be comfortable with the idea that people are going to say what they're going to say anyway, and you need to go after your dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines. That's the headline. Right. You just got to go after it. And, you know, you lose the battle, you can still win the war, right? With yourself. Yeah. Right? Yeah. With yourself. Yeah. Because we're not looking for perfection. None of us are perfect. We all did some crazy shit. We're all crazy. Everybody's crazy. But at the same time, you can take it to the next level if you keep going. Yes. The DraftKings Sports app is now live in all 50 states. That means from Texas to California to Florida, every fan is in on the excitement. Follow the teams you love, keep up with the biggest games, and experience the excitement of football all week long, no matter which game you're watching. 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You know, that's what's really important. People can hear that all day. You can hear it all day from a motivational speaker, but then you can say to that motivational speaker, what exactly have you done other than motivate people? A lot of them, the list is very small. But you know what's interesting about that? I hear people say that, but you know what my thinking is? Like, if a homeless guy tells me don't do push-ups in traffic, I'm going to listen. You know? Oh, yeah. You get bad advice from people that are great. And then you get really good advice from idiots. Every now and then a moron will tell you something and you're like, oh, shit. I'm less inclined to concern myself with who the messenger is. I know it's relevant. Right. But I listen to the message because you have to contextualize the message in your life. Right. That's some Bruce Lee shit. That's like absorb what is useful. The way to intercept his face. Yeah, yeah. Bruce was the man. Oh, he was the man. Bruce is why I got into acting. Really? Absolutely. How'd that happen? Because, I mean, he was the only dude with a tan that was like doing some cool shit on TV or in the movies, you know? He was a little brown. Oh, bro. All my Asian friends were so happy. All my Asian friends were like, finally, we have a fucking superhero. Yo, Bruce was the man. He was the man, dude. He was the man. He was the man. He changed martial arts for the world. I used to be on Jamaica Avenue with the yellow and black Game of Death suit. Did you have one of those? The Chinese slippers. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely walking down the aisle with that shit. Proud. Bro, that Game of Death suit was the shit. Right? Yeah. That yellow with the, you know, the black slice with the joint. Yeah. That yellow Game of Death suit. I don't think people understand how revolutionary he was. All martial arts were all, they were all siloed. Yes. Like, if you did Kung Fu and your instructor caught you doing Shotokan somewhere. Right. They'd be upset with you. Yeah. Yeah. It was very siloed. And Bruce Lee came along and said, no. Who was the first mixed martial artist? The first. The first. I mean, he's doing American boxing, Chinese boxing, Kung Fu. Salat. Salat. Yeah. Some karate. Salat is crazy, too. Yeah. He did judo. He did everything. Yeah. Yeah. And he put it all together. And that was heresy. Yeah. Yeah. People wanted to kill him for that. Yeah. Well, yeah. That rumor still persists, right? Yeah. It does. Well, I think that rumor has to do with the triad, with the Chinese mob, because they were financing his early movies. The Raymond Chow movies that he was doing? Yeah. And then he left. And when he left them, there was a gigantic dispute. So when he went to Hollywood, there was a gigantic. There was a gigantic dispute. So I think that's what the real conspiracy theories. I don't know if they're true. You think he probably just had an aneurysm or whatever that was. It seems like something happened where he had an allergic reaction. Was it an allergic reaction to medication or something like that? Yeah, because they gave him some pills and he went to sleep. He was at someone's apartment, right? Well, I think it's also. He probably had some head injuries. You got to realize, like, he's doing a lot of sparring. He's, you know, they're. He's doing sparring with boxers. He's experimenting with stuff. He's doing. He's doing crazy scenes in movies. He accidentally get hit. Who knows if he had a brain injury. Okay. Cerebral edema. Exactly. Dangerous swelling of the brain attributed by the coroner to a hypersensitivity reaction to ingredients in the prescription painkiller Equagesic. Equagesic? Equagesic, which he took for a headache. A plane of a headache given Equagesic, medication containing aspirin and Mepromate. Mep. Meprobamate? Where's that at? Where's. Where's that at? Aspirin and Meprobamate? Oh, oh, Meprobamate. Meprobamate. Yeah, Meprobamate. He laid down the rest, became unresponsive, could not be revived after taken to the hospital. Autopsy found severe brain swelling and no external injuries. The brain swelling itself is well-established in the historical record, but the precise trigger remains disputed. The official conclusion focused on drug hypersensitivity reaction. Later, writers and researchers have proposed other possibilities, including heat-related illness, and hypo. Well, they're testing us today with the word. Retrospective hypothesis? What is it? Hyponatremia. Hyponatremia. Dangerously low blood sodium associated with excess water intake. Huh. All right. Retrospective. Something happened. Hypotheses. I'm sorry. It's the plural of hypothesis. Retrospective hypotheses. Hmm. No replacement original official ruling. Yeah, Lee was. He was unbelievable, man. Well, he was. The Tao of Jeet Kune Do is the original book of mixed martial arts. No question. I love it. I bought that book when it came out back then. Oh, yeah. I got a copy still. I love that book, right? That book's legit. It was soft. It was like a soft cover. You remember that? Yep. Yep. Soft cover. Big, thick-ass book. Yeah. Big, thick, soft cover with all the illustrations inside of it. Illustrations inside. Yeah, man. And he took things from everything. He took things from Western boxing and fainting and jabs, and he got from karate, different Japanese styles. Ali. He watched Ali. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Ali's footwork. Oh, yeah. He was. He did some of that in the movies, too. Yeah. People today, they see mixed martial arts, you see all these fighters on television, they see movies. It seems normal to them. They don't understand that back then, this was unprecedented. No one had ever done that before. Super. Yeah. And to be that skillful and do it so he could move so fast that everybody's like, "What the fuck?" Lightning quick. Yeah. Lightning quick. Just changed it for the whole world. Karate schools just opened up all over the world. Crazy. Instantaneously. What was crazy at that time, it was blurred because people didn't know the difference between karate and jabs. Yeah. Karate and kung fu. Right. Didn't know anything. It was very blurred. Yeah. It was very blurred. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You just got lucky wherever school you walked into. That's right. That's right. You opened the Yellow Pages under martial arts. That's right. I was up at the YMCA in sado karate. I'm like, "Sado. Okay. I'm doing sado. Us. Walking in the dojo. Us." You know what I mean? Yeah. A lot of those YMCA classes. Yeah. They were good, though. Yeah. Two knuckles, baby. It just got introduced into the world and it took off. I'm fascinated by things that didn't exist and then all of a sudden burst onto the scene. Innovation. Yeah. Innovation. Well, that's why hip hop to me is so fascinating, especially early hip hop because hip hop as an art form before the 1980s was nonexistent in pop culture. And then all of a sudden it was the dominant force five or six years later. That's right. People have to understand what it was like. When I was a kid and when I was coming up, the first time I heard Sugar Hill Gang, I was in a lunchroom. I was in Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts. At the time it was a bad neighborhood. Now it's been kind of gentrified. At the time it was like there was kids that were 17 years old and they were still in the eighth grade. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's that. 17 years old in the eighth grade is some nasty work, baby. Yeah. It was like that. Like no bullshit. There was kids that should have been graduating from high school and they hadn't even gotten out of middle school yet. It was just a lot of like ne'er-do-wells and people that just came from bad homes and bad but it was the first time I had ever heard that i remember thinking this is like a different kind of music like this is yeah because because you know you live in a neighborhood and you feel invisible yes you know and and i think a lot of people can relate to that now you live in a neighborhood you feel invisible your friends get killed nobody cares the news doesn't talk about you know they may talk about some major thing but when your friend down the block gets killed nobody cares right you walk down you got this diddy bop that you're walking with like this and people think you're walking to be cool but you're really walking because you like it's like being in the jungle and you're like a lion and you're like walking around trying to stay low and you're watching your environment and your back right i used to have a thing in high school you do one two three behind you one two three behind you the whole time down the hallway wow you know what i mean so hip-hop was the first time that i heard young kids like me sound empowered and you know instead of you know because all you saw at that time on if you saw a black kid on the news all you saw was a guy in handcuffs being put into a police car that was basically it yeah that and bruce lee yeah so it was like hip-hop is the first time i heard people sound powerful sound empowered you know it wasn't like the gray poupon fancy yeah i have a lot of money thing that it is today when we talked about the money and we that was aspirational that's what we wanted like you're coming from nothing right you're coming from the grime and the dirt and you're like rapping about what it could be so you are you're you're extra macho when you're extra right extra bravado extra because you're an underdog right you know it it became that to like you know now it's like you know you're on mount olympus spitting on you know the peasants you know what i mean you know what i'm saying but back then it was aspirational it was the opposite it was the opposite one of my favorite hip-hop videos of all times is biggie when he was 17 on the street corner oh when he's rhyming yeah yeah yeah he's he's on the block a nobody and he's like you know what i mean he's like you know what i mean he's like he's the at the same time yeah he's the same and everybody around him oh yeah he's hitting these lines and his flow was already spectacular that's right because because you're you're basically you're saying what every you're you're like it's like a different version of cyrano but you're doing it for for people it's not about romance necessarily it's not for this particular girl you're doing it you're speaking you become a spokesman for the emotions the angst the pain right the desire to be the best you're doing it for the people you're doing it for the people you're doing it for the people you're doing it for the people you're doing it for the people you're doing is the wishes of the people that are like you and i'm not talking about just ethnicity i'm talking about culturally people that are like you that come from the energy and the type of places that you come from so you speak for them you know what i mean so when i was walking like when i got the big gold chains on the big gold chains aren't to say the the big gold chains are to show people i have something at that time and then yo not only do i have something but i'm tough enough to be a message you know anywhere any neighborhood it was i can wear this in this neighborhood right that's very different from it becoming like you know cigarette holders and i got the jury on and it's like a goddamn like everybody's uh liberace you know no disrespect right you know what i'm saying it becomes you know you know disrespect you know what i mean you know what i'm saying yeah i don't want this moment not necessary yeah no it's you know that's what's interesting is like that's what i'm saying you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying that's the first music genre where like open displays of wealth became like standard right but here's the thing here's the thing remember it it wasn't an open display of wealth because it wasn't at the wealth level it wasn't that wasn't even the mindset it was i it was it could be as simple as i have 50 grand in my dresser drawer i got a gold chain i got a nice car and i'm doing better now but i couldn't eat six months ago right and look what i did that's very different from you know look at my portfolio right right right and my open ostentatious display of this incredible you understand yeah the mindset is different right because remember we were taking cues from hustlers too like we got to be honest about that like we were looking at the different hustlers we were looking at the supreme team and we were looking at you know az and rich and apple the guys uptown we were looking at different people and all of that was affecting us too so it wasn't so much about like na na na na na to society it was more like i did this in spite of right like you got to think about it like if you're it's like monopoly right like somebody i was talking to the other day like we play monopoly and i start off and i got all the paper and you got hardly nothing and i get 60 70 of the property and then i say okay now let's play if you can go around that board and come up you're gonna fucking feel good about yourself you might throw a chain on or something you might smile a little bit during that game after a while and so you got to think about it from that mindset now we've lapped people have lapped this you know the game so many times that it's not perceived the same way but at that time it wasn't about showing off right the car was about yo i really did this right like i got i have something because having something is a major accomplishment when you got nothing i don't care if you're in a trailer park you're in the inner city you're in the hood wherever you at when you are able to accomplish something that's a hell of a feeling yes right that's and and so it wasn't about like so the idea of financial fiscal responsibility and wealth nobody's thinking about that shit i want to benz i want to bend bro i just want to i want to be yeah i remember sitting with the accountant i'm like yo he's like yeah we're gonna do it i want to benz he's like yeah we're gonna take care of this i want to benz you know and it's like so we you know like i never lost the yeah you do stuff with money and all that but i never lost the mindset of you know where you really from like people yo it's easy to forget i mean look you're you're like one of the most red people i know because i watch you know the stuff and everything you could it's you could be in a bubble and forget it if you didn't get in that gym and you didn't roll around on that mat and you didn't get reminders of humanity you could forget in the life this world that we live in yeah it's easy to forget so i i kind of you know it's comforting yeah i keep that in mind you you you said what it's comforting to forget yeah it's easy to fall into a band of yes men and be insulated especially in hollywood a hundred percent but then you're not relatable and then you can't learn and you can't handle well you also go crazy oh without a doubt that's that's the might be howard hugh no disrespect you'd be out disrespect you know what i mean you'd be in the in the room until the 70s yeah yeah with all the paper and tissue around you well it's kind of howard stern now he like he hides in the hamptons now that's that's rough he didn't do his pod his radio show rather from his studio for a long time he did it all remotely yeah you you know people start getting weird with germs you start worrying about getting sick yeah that's very strange start washing their hands all day long well i mean that's okay all day long i get a little hip of cleanser wash 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Visit BetterHelp.com to explore your payment options. That's BetterHelp.com. I did a show quite a few times. You know, he was always cool to me. He really was. And he gave me love, like, in the early years when I first started. I got to be honest. He embraced me. He gave me, you know, he kind of, like, let me come on a show and let me, you know what I'm saying? And that to me, you know, I'm not saying that what you're saying is, like, there's nothing wrong with what you're saying. No, I don't think you are. I think he's a legend. And I think if it wasn't for him. But you can become isolated. You can become isolated. And it's also, it's very hard to even be hanging out with people when you're that famous. It just gets weird for some people, unless you force yourself to just do uncomfortable things all the time. You know what? And in public. Well, success, success likes you to be outside, right? It's kind of hard to find success when you're not networking. You could do certain things. But I heard a guy say the other day, you know, you put a painting on your garage wall. And whether, even if the door's open, it's kind of hard to get people excited, you know what I mean? As opposed to putting it in the gallery. So you have to interact. But, you know, me, like, I'm an introvert, even though I do all this stuff. Are you really? Yeah, you would think. But when I go home, I got to read. I got to relax. I got to recharge. Like, I can't, you know what I mean? I can't, I don't like being surrounded by a thousand people. But I have a different reason for it. Because I just learned that. It brings problems. Because you can't manage everybody's behavior. Right. Right. And so, and then when the problem happens, then it's LL. Right. Right. You feel me? One of LL's friends. Yeah. Right. A part of LL's crew. You see? Yeah. So you got to, so, so it's kind of, yeah. Today in the news. Yeah. Especially when you're on a cop show. Well, you know what? No, that's funny. Yeah, that's really funny. It becomes a real fucking problem. I didn't even really think, yo, that's pretty funny, bro. You know? That's pretty funny. Bro, I think about it all the time with Ice-T. Because I was a giant Ice-T fan, still am. But giant Ice-T fan growing up. And he had that song, Cop Killer. Remember? Yeah. He had that song with Body Count. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, but a man that can cock himself is greater than a man who can cock a city, right? Right. There you go. But it's just funny. No, it is. It is. But you know what? You know, like Ice says. He hustling. Yeah, of course. I say, yo, listen. Yeah. I mean, he was in Pimps Up, Hoes Down. Remember that? Without a doubt. Get his hair down. Without a doubt. Talking about the Pimps game. Green is for the money, gold is for the honey. This is crazy. I love him. With Don Magic one. Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. And Mr. White Folks. Oh, Mr. White Folks. Bananas. Bananas. Yo, yo. It was hilarious. Yo. Well, yeah. So, like, yeah, Ice-T's been hustling since the very beginning. He's another pioneer, without a doubt. But what I want people to really understand is kids today, they don't understand because hip-hop is just a part of their life. It's a part of music. It emerged. And it emerged so quickly. You go from Sugarhill Gang, which was 80, what was it? That was 79. 79? The Rap is the Light was 79. And then you got, like, NWA. And it happens very quickly. 100%. It happens very quickly. You got Public Enemy. And all of a sudden, you have Fight the Power, and you're like, whoa, what is this? 100%. You know what's funny about the Public Enemy? I'll tell you a quick little insight. Their logo is actually my friend, E-Love. Chuck D. from Public Enemy took a picture of my man standing next to me on stage and put him in silhouette. Really? Yeah. So when you look at the Public Enemy logo, that's actually my man, E-Love, that created it. Yeah, that's my man, E-Love, right there, behind that. And you probably, if you actually, you could probably Google E-Love, Public Enemy, LL Cool J. You know, and you'll find out that, like, you know, see? See, rest in peace, E-Love, a.k.a. the Public Enemy logo. And see, that's my man, E-Love. See us down there? See, that's us. Yeah. So that's E. But he just happened to be standing. See the hat? He just happened to be standing in a different pose. Wow. But that's what, yeah. He's the logo. May he rest in peace. That was my man. Wow. That was my man. He was a good dude. That was my man. He passed away. But he was, like, when we did Crush Groove. And we did the first hip-hop. One of the, it was an early hip-hop. It wasn't first. One of the early hip-hop movies. He was standing next to me with the box. Him and my man, Cut Creator. Shout out to my man, Phil Potts, Cut Creator. Wow. And then Run DMC, of course. Run DMC, you know, those are my friends. Run Angel. You know, JMJ, rest in peace. You know, they took me on tour. You know, they took me on tour around the world. We went all over the place. It was bananas. It's just bananas, like, for people to really get it in their mind what a change that was in music. You know, this emergent power and style just took over pop culture where kids were dressing like them. Like, everybody wanted to be like them. Look at that, Dick Clark. I did Dick Clark in 85. Oh, shit. Look at Dick. Yeah, look at Dick Clark. It's so funny. Oh, that's awesome. That's crazy, right? That's crazy. That's crazy. That was, yo, that was like. It was like an unbelievable experience. Like, I would go to London and, you know, you know, be like looking for fast food. Like, yo, just please. Like, I didn't understand Yorkshire pudding. I didn't understand none of that. How old were you? When I went to London, maybe 17. Wow. Yeah, we went right away. Wow. Right away. Oh, yeah. Wow. Oh, yeah. What was the reception like over there? It was incredible. It was incredible at first. Now, at one point, I'll be honest with you, when I put the love song on, when I put the song out, I got booed. Not booed, but like people were mad. Yeah, because guys were upset that I was willing to be that vulnerable. Oh, no. But I like them chicks, though. I like them chicks, though, baby. I was like, I like them girls. I'm like, yo, I need to, I got to do this. But, nah, they gave me a lot of love. And, you know, we used to tour all over the place. That's funny that that song. That song, it was huge, but then there was a little, you know, there was a little corner. Well, the problem is the other stuff was so hard. Right. Your other stuff was so hard. That's more real life, isn't it? Right. But isn't that more real? Well, it's balance. Yeah. Yeah, it's balance. There's nothing wrong with having both. I mean, you know, you go home, you get what you got. I mean, you all, you do got a couple of personalities, don't you? Like, I mean, we all do, right? You should. So my art reflected the real. Like, I'm just keeping it 100. Right, right. Like, you guys want to keep it 50 and call it 100. They just didn't want to expose that part of themselves. Meanwhile, they probably like that song when they're alone. In their room, staring at the wall. No question. No question. No question. Wow. So was hip hop taking off over there as well with, like, artists? Yes. Were new artists emerging in England? Yes. Yes, yes. It was, well, at that time, there wasn't as many, but they got into hip hop very early. The whole world, like, there's a whole lineage of artists that are pioneers around the world that contributed to hip hop in their own countries. I can't name them all, but, like, in France, you had MCB. MC Solar, but there was people before him. Like, you know, there's different, my man, Spatz in Germany. There was people before him, obviously. I always get the name wrong, but it starts with an N and a number. I just can't remember. But, yeah, I mean, hip hop, like, I would go to Japan, you know, and they'd be singing the words to the song verbatim and then can't speak English, but they'd rap the song. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. It's amazing. That's wild. But it made me respect cultures all over the world, though. It made me, it gave me a different kind of mindset for people around the world, you know what I'm saying? How I view things. Because you can be real myopic. I mean, when I first started going out of land, I'd be like, yo, take me to the black neighborhood. Let me just see what it looks like. They'd be like, what do you mean? We're in Japan. Like, you know, it's like, so just take me where it's hip hop-ish. And then you start getting exposed and you see kids that love graffiti and they love the arts and they love hip hop. And you come to find a newfound respect. Like, I did a record in Germany with my man in Spatz. I think I'm saying his name right. I mean, he's rapping in German. I'm rapping in English. People in America don't know about the song, but it was like a thing I did over there. And, you know, you just get into a whole world, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, I love Brazilian hip hop because I can't speak Portuguese. I just like listening to the sounds, you know? You know what's funny? I think the best. To me, the language that sounds like most impressive to me, I mean, outside of English, I would say it's French. French. French sounds incredible. French hip hop sounds incredible. Yo, French hip hop is dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. French hip hop is dope. Yeah, it is. For real. I like Brazilian. I'm Portuguese. But French is a, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know? I love the music of the whole world, though. For different reasons. France is fantastic. It's fascinating to me. Yeah. You know, it's a hyper point of mixed martial arts now. Yeah. A lot of elite fighters are coming out of France, including the heavyweight champion of the world, Cyril Ghosn. He's from France. Yeah, Cyril. Yeah, Cyril. Yeah, Cedric Doumbé is this dude who fights in the PFL, who's like one of the best kickboxers alive. Yeah. He's fucking people up in MMA now. Yeah. I know Cyril was, I mean, he's a monster. He's a freak. He has changed my thoughts on bases, like for sports. - His base. - Well, he's a Muay Thai fighter, But here's the point. He played basketball. That's interesting. This is why. I think basketball is a huge factor for big athletes in particular. If you can play good at basketball, the thing about being good at basketball is you have to be able to change direction constantly. Tennis. Yes. Tennis would be a good one, but it's not constant. It's ba-bump, ba-bump, ba-bump, ba-bump. Basketball, you're constantly engaging. There's a ball and people. And it's all about juking and movement. And it's all about misdirection. That's huge with striking. You can get a guy as big as Cyril Gantz. He's 248 pounds but moves like a cat. And I think a big part of that is he spent so much time. It's like plyometrics. You're doing constant plyometrics when you're doing basketball. Plus, hand-eye coordination because you have a ball. And you're moving the ball wide back and forth, which is very similar to punching. Footwork. Yes. Footwork is hugely important. Footwork in conjunction with the movement of your hands. And distance management. And he can play, man. Yeah. And he can dunk. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I saw this clip before. Yeah, that boy. And he's really playing. Yes, he's really playing. I think there's something legitimate to that as a base because you're constantly jumping. Like, soccer is another one. Yeah. Soccer is a tremendous base for MMA because those guys have great cardio. And their legs, they can constantly move back and forth. Yeah. And, like, they don't get tired. That makes sense. It's a huge factor. That makes sense. If you can get that kind of movement. Most people don't have that kind of movement. Like, an elite basketball player movement. And if you're a guy who's, like, plotting and, like, heavy-footed and you're, like, moving forward. And there's a guy that's just, like, light on his toes and you can't hit him. He's nowhere to be found. That's a big factor. Yeah, I agree. And if you combine that with, you know, mindset, animal mindset and intellect. Yeah. Now you're really playing at a different level, right? Yeah. If you can do one. They do two. So you can grab the three. Uh-huh. Yes. If you can really, you know, if you're really thinking that way, now you're at a whole other level. Because that makes a difference. Yeah. Two. It's the mindset and the intellect. Like, when you look at Floyd, like, you know. Yes. Yo, the intellect. Yes. The traps he's setting. Yes. You know, the process, the standing in front of you, the giving you something just to take it away and catch him. You know, like, those little things, that matters. And you can't hit him and he's right in front of you. That's right. He's not moving around. And he's not constant with footwork like Ali was in his prime. No, he's right in front of you, shoulder rolling. Yeah, just giving you a little something. And you can't do shit. Yeah, just giving you, just, because you're telling on yourself. Yeah. He's looking at your hips. He's looking at your elbow. You know, you're telling on yourself. Yeah. And you just, you know what I mean? Easily the most elusive guy who stood right in front of people. Him, Sweepy. Sweepy. Sweepy. But Sweepy would move, too. Yeah. He would stand right in front of you, but he would also move. But he would be moving backwards and getting out of there. He was incredible with that. There's also this Italian. There's this Italian boxer. You got to look it up. He's like a, I think he's like Floyd before Floyd. Even before Floyd's pops. Look for the NEO. Look for, like, no, no, actually he's Italian, but he was in Argentina, but he's Italian. And he's one of the most incredible elusive fighters I've ever seen in my life. What year was this? This is, I want to, 40s, 50s, 60s. Like, look, Italian. I got him. Yeah, you got him? Watch. Watch this. What's his name? Nicolino, yeah. Nicolino. Watch Nicolino. Watch Nicolino. Watch. No, this ain't him. That's not him. I think they're comparing him to other people. Yeah, no, you got to, but, yeah, here he is. Yeah, now watch him. Watch him. Watch him. Watch him. Watch. Oh, they're comparing him. Like, get him. Find him. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Oh, I have seen this guy before. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this shit. This is crazy. You know, you can't, like, I mean, he's unbelievable, and this is like a bad fight because I'm looking at his eye, and it looked like he didn't, you know, but, I mean, when you really watch him, unbelievable. When you get him on the ropes, you find him on the ropes. I mean, this guy is just unbelievable. Nicolino. Luce. What's his last name? Yeah, Loche. Loche. Loche. I'm not sure. Loche. Yo, he is just, I mean, his. Like, when you get, like, you can't hit him. Like, that's all Floyd. You see it? You see it, right? And this is early. Yo, this is crazy. There wasn't a lot of guys like this back then. Look at this. Look at this. Watch this. Look at this. Come on, baby. Have you ever seen Willie Pep? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Willie Pep's another one. He won an entire round without throwing a punch. Yeah, he was unbelievable. Yeah. Willie Pep. Come on. You know, my uncle was John Henry Lewis. He was a light heavyweight champion. Really? Yeah, yeah. That was your uncle? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, my granduncle. You know, my mother's uncle. So you've been a boxing fan since you were really young. Actually, here's the crazy thing. I didn't even know that I had all of these boxers in my family until I did my DNA research with Henry Lewis Gate on Finding Your Roots, and they did this whole thing and came to find out all of these people are in my lineage for real. Like, this is because my mother was adopted. That's why I didn't know. And then I came to find out. And then I came to find out, yo, my uncle, all in, like, he's in the Hall of Fame. Wow. Yeah, yeah. He was good. John Henry Lewis. Wow. Pull him up. Pull up John Henry Lewis. Yeah, him. That's my uncle. Wow. He was unbelievable. He was unbelievable. He was incredible. He was incredible. I mean, you know, he went up to, he was light heavyweight. He went up to heavyweight, got knocked out by Joe Lewis really quickly. But he was an unbelievable fighter. You know? He was, yeah. Yeah, he was. He was. He was powerful. That's awesome. That's crazy, right? That's crazy. So, you know, so the fight game, I love the fight game. I love it, man. Like, you know, sometimes I tell them I miss my kid's wedding to see a good boxing match. Honey, I'm sorry. I know you. I'll walk you down the aisle in an hour. Yo. Well, there's something very definitive about it. It's, like, everybody understands what's going on. Like, you can, you don't have to be a fan of boxing to understand what boxing's going, what's happening. Combat sports in general. Yeah. You're watching two people. Your souls get exposed. That's what I was about to say. Yeah. Because it's a soul test. Yeah. Because when you're in the fire, now it's about your soul. Yeah. Right? Because you know what you're dealing with. Yeah. You know, because there's a saying, you can look in a man's eyes and tell his rank. Mm. You can see a person's rank in their eyes. And I'm not talking about the arrogant. I'm talking about their rank. Their skill level. Yeah, who they are. Right. Who they are. It might not even be their skill level. Right. Right. Right. It might not even be who they are. Because your skill level can fluctuate. It can evolve. It can change. But you know what you're dealing with. Right. Right. Like if you get a pit bull puppy or if you get a, you know, a Rhodesian Ridgeback, you know, or Razorback. Is it Razorback or Ridgeback? Ridgeback. Yeah. You get one of those. Like you can look in a puppy's eyes, you know what you're dealing with. It reminds me of that movie. Remember the Samurai movie when he gave him the sword or the ball? And he said, pick one. What movie was that? It was, um, it was the one. Where the guy was, he was traveling around and his wife was killed. And then, um, they said, uh, nah, this is, this is real shit. And he said, he put the sword in front of his son and he put a ball in front of his baby son. He said, if you pick the ball, Shogun Assassin. That's what it is. 1980. Yeah. You choose the sword or the ball. If the kid chose the ball, he was going to kill him. Let me see that scene. That's not the actual scene, but it's, it's a great scene. It's a great scene. Because he found out what was inside of his son. Wow. That's heavy. I love it, man. Well, that's the thing that trainers have to deal with. There's certain people that as you're training them, you realize that they just don't have it. There's something about them. They don't, they don't have, and then there's other people that you start training right away. Like, oh, if this guy could figure out how to keep this fire burning, he's got it inside of him. Because like when you hear people say, and this is like, no disrespect, but this is like the thing when you, when you hear people say, I'm maintaining or saving. Same old shit. I don't really like that because you want to thrive, not survive. I actually got that from Glick. That's his quote, but you want to thrive, not survive. So it's just like being on the mat. You want to thrive. Right. So some people live their lives defensively and they don't take the opportunity to seize the neck when they can. They're like, yeah, that's the sword or the ball scene. And he basically is telling his kid, yo, you choose this ball, you will join your mother. His mother's gone, right? You choose the sword. He's a little baby. Yeah, exactly. This is crazy. Exactly. You choose the sword and you come with me. Oh, wow. And he put the sword down and he put the ball down. And watch this. Watch this. Yo, yo, if somebody wrote here, bloody revenge, pick up a ball and join their mother in death is absolutely insane work. The quote is hilarious. And then the little boy, he's growing, he's going, he's going. And then, yeah, and ultimately he picks the sword. Ultimately, he picks the sword. It's crazy. Yeah. That's life, though. That is life. Right? But you got to wonder how much of that is like just destiny. 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Terms apply. See Visible.com for plan features and network management details. One thing I would say about that, though, is that that's true, but you also have to have self-awareness. So what does that mean? That means that if I need to have self-awareness, I need to have self-awareness. You can decide to improve. Now, that doesn't mean it's easy. I didn't say it's easy. And that doesn't mean that I can't relate to people going through stuff because people go through stuff. And that's legit. But you can decide to be better. I didn't say it's easy, but you can decide to be better. Right? Yeah. It's kind of like the pro and the amateur. The amateur says to the pro, I want to be where you are. I want to be at the level you're on. And the pro says, well, you're going to have to sacrifice. You have to dig deep. You're going to have to go through some pain. You're going to go through some trials. It's going to be tough for you. And the amateur says, that's easy for you to say you're a pro. Right? You feel what I'm saying? Because a lot of times people, they suspend success in advance. They say that's too hard. Right. Oh, that's easy for you. That's easy for you to say means I interpret that to mean that's too hard for me. Or I think that's too hard for me. No, it's not too hard for you. You just don't want to be uncomfortable. Yeah. But that's not easy. And see, that's the part. Like, I'll give you an example. Like, and you may have somewhere and you know, how you doing? Living the dream. People say living the dream. Most of the time when they say that it's, it almost sounds like they're upset, but they're trying to keep themselves happy. But what they don't fail to realize is when you dream of roses, you get thorns. If you and I decide we're going to go on an adventure and we're going to climb Mount Everest and we put the work in, that doesn't mean we're not going to deal with weather. We're not going to deal with slippery slopes. Our legs aren't going to be burning from climbing. It doesn't mean that. It just, it doesn't mean it's easy. It doesn't mean that we're not going to be able to do it. It just means that, you know, it's a challenge that we're going after, but challenges are difficult. So success is difficult. And I think that particular piece right there is what people forget and they miss. Well, I think young people today also are looking for something to happen quickly. No question. You know, it's crazy. So I got this theory. I got a hypothesis. I got a lot of them, Joe. Okay. I'm out of my mind. So it's like the internet is like a script, right? Yeah. But real life is on its feet. You ever, you've been on, you've been on set, you did show, you did all kinds. So, you know, sometimes you can have a script and it doesn't work on its feet. They'll say, oh, this isn't working once you put it on his feet. Well, guess what? If you've been living on the internet, you've been dealing with a script the whole time. Then you get in real life and you're awkward. You can't interact with people, et cetera, because what you've learned in this script and what you've studied isn't working on its feet. You following what I'm saying? So in other words, it's behind a keyboard. Like, you know, when Mike says people got too comfortable with saying stuff and not getting punched in the face for what works on a keyboard doesn't necessarily work when I walk into your studio and me and you are kicking it. Right. Right. Right. That's what, but I think people sort of, to go back to what you're saying with kids, a lot of times, not all, because a lot of, there are a lot of animals out there that want it, but a lot of them, they want real life to work like the internet. Instant validation. Everybody loves me. Instant this, instant that. Order the drink, order the stuff, get the thing. But real life, you got to really get out there and hunt. You got to really get out there in the woods. You know, like the internet will reward you for chopping down trees in the wrong forest. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But in real life, you got to put your ladder against the right wall, right? That is the weird thing about the internet. And then a lot of people are becoming famous just for being people, just streaming. Yeah. And so then there's a lot of young kids where they look at that as an avenue for life where you're not creating anything really. You're not becoming better at anything really. There's no art. And here's the thing about it though. Here's the thing I believe. I think that some streamers really are artists and they really are doing what's in their spirit. Like when I see a kid like Speed going out and doing his stuff and running around. Yeah. That's good. That's different. That guy's doing things. But he's doing things. But it feels like to me that it's coming from here. Yeah. Right. Some people are just turning a camera on and saying anything for clicks. Right. Right. No disrespect to them. We should name, we should do the title of this. No disrespect. But, but the reality is that that's not. You're not really doing anything. And you're going to feel empty. Your soul won't evolve. Yeah. You should, you should find something that you could express yourself in. Something that's legitimate. Something that is uniquely you. What would you do if you were, if you weren't afraid, right? Yeah. That's always the big question. If you weren't afraid. If you weren't afraid, what would you do? I would say if you had a documentary crew filming your life and it was a story about your success, but it all starts now. Live like that. Like live, live like a documentary crew is following your journey to success. Yeah. Do all the things that that person would do. Yeah. Decide like, what is it that that kind of person would do? What, what is, what are the steps they would take to succeed? That's powerful too. That's powerful because it's like, um, you know, you're channeling something that's like channeling it. You know, it's, it's, it's kind of, it's not fake it till you make it, but in a way it's embodying what you want to ultimately become. Yeah. Right. Like if you were watching a crack a dong gets in the ice bath, you know, he's out there running on the road, he's getting his work in, he's doing this. Like, that's what you would, you would say, God, I want to be like that guy. Well, just, just do it. And then, you know, the thing is, right. You know what, Joe, and this is the language of success we're talking about right now. You got to be relentless. That's why I like shout out to my man, Tim Grover. He wrote the book relentless. He, um, trained Michael Joy and he trained Colby. Um, I work with him sometimes. We good vibe, good friend of mine. You have to be relentless. The book is great, by the way, people should check it out, but you have to be relentless in life. Like you have to really, really want it. I didn't say it was easy. Please don't conflate relentless with easy or relentless with every moment's going to be a bed of roses. That's not what I said. I said, you have to be relentless. Like you have to be hungry. Like I come here, you have beautiful studio, the stuff. This is a manifestation of somebody putting their energy in and being relentless. Right. And you have to be comfortable with who you are and stop trying to be someone else. Oscar Wilde had the best quote. He said, be yourself. Everybody else has already taken. Yeah. Yeah. You feel me? Oh yeah. I think for a lot of young people, it's a problem that they don't exactly know who they are. Well, they know what they, a lot of people know what, who they, they know what they want, but they're scared to, they're scared to deal with it because they feel like that's not something that other people would be into. It goes back to me making a love song in the middle of like hardcore hip hop, right? Oh, what will other people say? Was that before or after Mama Said Knock You Out? That was before. Yeah. That was way before. Yeah. Okay. That was many years before. Cause that's one of the hardest songs. That's hard. That's one of the hardest songs. Don't call it a comeback, baby. Come on, man. That was one of the hardest songs of all time. But you also mixed it up with shit like going back to Cali. Yeah. Rick Rubin. Which is smooth. Yeah. Avant Garde blues. Yeah. Her bikini small. Heels tall. She said she likes the ocean. She showed me the beach. Gave me a peach. Now, my bet is fast. Yeah. That was fun. That was a lot of fun. Oh my God, man. You got some classics. You got some real classics. Rick Rubin is such a trip. He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met. Yeah. It's so funny. Like my first album, Radio, it says reduced by Rick Rubin. Does it really? Yes. It's not produced. If you pull up the credits, it says reduced by Rick Rubin. Wow. Yeah. Because he wanted to strip everything away. It's kind of like in life, right? It's like stripping down. I've come to realize that stripping away tends to be a lot more interesting than piling it on. Right. Uh-huh. In a lot of instances. It's about, you need context, but it really works. And he just stripped down because prior to that. Most of the hip-hop that was on record, I'm not talking about the streets because the tapes were different. But on record, it was a lot of bands and a lot of, you know, a lot of musicality. Records were like disco records. They were like 10 minutes long, 12 minutes long, 8 minutes, 9 minutes long. He reduced it, stripped it down. So I'm rapping over a simple beat. And I'm just, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it just became this thing, you know? How did you get to know him? So it's so funny. He made a record. He produced a record called It's Yours by Tila Rock. And it was on the Streetwise Party Time label, but it was Def Jam Productions. Tila Rock is yours. I bought that record, loved the record, had his number. I still remember his number, 212-420-0666. Someone's going to get some phone calls. My bad. No disrespect. No disrespect. And so I did that. And I called him every day. I sent a tape in. Me and my man, my mother. Let me backtrack a little. So I had sent demo tapes to a lot of labels at that time that I thought might be handling rap. One of them being Sugar Hill, some others. And they all kind of gave me these standard notes. We can't use your material at this time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, the standard rejection letters. So my mother found one, crumbled up on a shelf. I'm dejected. Now, I've been trying for two years. Because I started, became a fan at eight, started writing at 11 or 12. At 14, I started working on demos. And now here I am, 16, late 15, early 16, working on this demo. I get this rejection. She gets her tax return. You know, you know, shout out to the people who actually get tax returns. Like, that's pretty, you know, you know, that's a whole nother conversation. I want to digress. But anyway, my mother got a tax return. You know, and that tells you everything. She was happy. So that tells you where we were at, right? She, I tell her, she sees the letter. She's like, Todd, what's wrong? I'm in there in my room. I'm dejected. I'm depressed. I'm like, oh, you know, I'm going to quit. I'm not going to do it no more. I'm going to quit. I'm going to give up. She said, no, Todd, you sound as good as some of the guys on, those guys on the radio, the people I hear on your tapes. You sound as good as them. You should keep going. I said, well, I don't have any equipment. I don't have stuff. I can't make a demo. They don't like what I'm doing. She took her tax return and bought me a Korg drum machine. She bought me that Korg drum machine. And me and my man, Frankie, shout out to my man, Spin Master Finesse, Frankie. We went, Frankie Forbes, we went out, we went to his house. We were so excited. We didn't even, I couldn't even wait to learn how to program it, reading the instructions. We did a pause tape. I played the beat. He did the scratching. I played the beat. I did that. I rapped over it afterwards. Sent that to Rick Rubin at his dorm. He had a dorm, five university place. He was in the dorms at NYU. Wow. Ad Rock from the Beastie Boys, Adam Harvitz from the Beastie Boys, heard my demo. He played it for Rick. I was calling Rick every day after I sent it. Like a day or two later, I'm like, you get the tape yet? Nope. Yo, Rick, you get the tape yet? Nope. I would call him. I would call there like two, three, four times every day. Finally, Ad Rock heard it. Played it for Rick. Rick called me up. Well, he called my house. My grandmother picked up. Screwed his, fucked his name up crazy. You know, slick Dick Rubin, Dick Dubin. You know, my grandma. I'm like, oh my God, Rick Rubin. She's like, you know. So I get, I call him. He's like, yeah, come down to the studio. We're going to go in. Come down tomorrow. I go down. I get on the subway. I'm doing handstands on the subway. I'm so damn happy. I'm like on the subway platform doing handstands in New York. Like literally. Like so happy. I'm like turning myself upside down with my legs against the beams. Like about to tear this world up. I get on the train. Go down to Five University. Rick comes down. I said, he said, hey, what's up, man? I said, you're Rick? He said, yeah. I said, I thought you was black. Look at him right there. And that guy, he looks at me. He goes, cool. We go upstairs. And I'm looking at him with the same tatter. Yo, he's so crazy. We go upstairs. We made a demo called Catch This Break. We made that demo. We went across town right after we made it and saw Russell Simmons. Played it for Russell. Russell was like, eh, same old thing. Sounds like this one, that one, that one. He's like, okay. Me and Rick go back in the studio. Add rock. Program's a beat for Rick. Rick produces everything. He gives Jazzy J to do scratching. We do this thing. I need a beat. Russell, they like it so good, they're going to start their own label called Def Jam. They're going to start their own label. Not just a production company, but an actual label. And they put that song out, and we ended up going in. It was independent. We did two singles. That's me and Add Rock. And then we ended up, you know, Def Jam became the thing that people know today. Wow. Yeah, but it all started back then. How did Ruben get involved? Like, it's such a fascinating character. He's such a, like, he sees things. Well, he's a, see, the key, the thing is having a POV. And being a fan. You don't have to be classically trained in something to have a POV and to be a fan and to have taste. Because ultimately, whether it's us being here, whether it's us picking a T-shirt, a book, a bike, a workout mat, it's about taste. Taste is something that you can't, that's the great delineating factor between a lot of things, is taste. He has great taste. Yeah. Rick can say, that's cool. And it will be. At least to us, right? We can't, I can't say that everything we ever did is cool to everybody, but to us, it was cool. Right. So when we do Rock the Bells, it's like, it's cool. Right. You know, it's like, when we do these songs, I can't live without my radio, Rock the Bells, all this stuff. It just felt cool. Jack the Ripper. It just felt cool. To us. And that's how it is. And that's, to me, that's the thing that makes Rick so fun to work with. It's because. He wasn't afraid to tell you, eh, I'm not sure that's it. Like, me and you can't have a real rapport. If you can't tell me you'll charge a t-shirt, I don't know, whatever, you know. Yeah. We can't, but he would tell you. Yeah. You know? Like, my name, like, you know, like, I had a friend, Playboy Mikey D, I had a lot of dudes with, like, romantic and client names that had them kind of names on it. So I was Ladies Love Cool James. He's like, yo, that's long. That's long for the record, man. You know, for the label. That's a lot. L.L. Yeah. Cool. Let's do it. Yeah. Like, it's all those little things, you know? And that's the thing about Rick. Taste is a big deal. Yeah. And the fact that you respect his taste. Like, he's intelligent enough for you to, like, take it into consideration. Because there's a lot of people that have opinions. This episode is brought to you by Traeger. Food cooked over real wood is just on another level. And that's why Traeger is such a game changer. 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How do you know they're great people? Right. Well, especially when you're 16. Exactly. Yeah. So, you just have to follow your intuition. Yes. That's the biggest tool in your toolbox. Yes. Your gut is going to be the thing. Right? Yeah. And I always followed that. Like, there was times I would tell Rick, nah, uh-uh, nah, Rick, that ain't it. And he'd be like, you sure? I'm like, uh. But then other times he'd be like, oh, this is it. And I'm like, yeah, you sure? He's like, yeah. You know? And I would listen. Like, going back to Cali is a classic example. Initially, I said, I don't think so, because I hated the shit. Really? Yeah. I was like, I don't think so. He's like, keep that. You didn't like that song? Because it sounded different. Like, at first, when we were, it was the demo version. And I was like, I don't think so. He was like, yo, that sounds crazy. I'm like, yeah. And then I said it. I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. You know, it became a thing. You know? Right. So you have to, you know, it's just like martial arts. It's like anything. Adjustments. Yes. Right? Taste. Adjustments. And doing things that work for you. Right. Your mind, your creativity, your voice, your tenor, you know, your. When you're involved in, like, the editing process of a song, like, when it says reduced by Rick Rubin, did you and Rick, like, sit down together and listen to it and try to sort it out? Did you listen to it independently? So, at that time, I was-- I would more-- or listen to what he was saying, but I would, like, hum beats in his ear, and then they would program him. I would say, make the beat go like this, Rick, or do this. And then he would, like, so we really worked together. But ultimately, at that time, he would come back to me with ideas, and most of the time, I just loved them. I just thought they were great. You know, I'm a little kid, 16. I'm on the bus. Wow. I'm going back and forth. I'm getting on the subway. We're making these records, and it just sounded like the coolest stuff in the world. My man E-Love, we're walking down the block. I play Rock the Bells for him, and he's like, yo, I play it on my walk, and he listens. He's like, yo, let me hear that again. I'm like, yeah, I play it for him. He's like, shah. He used to say, shah. You know, he'd be like, yo, let me hear that again. You know, it was just that kind of a thing, you know? Because I, like, so, I always went after feelings with lyrics. Like, I know nowadays, especially in the internet age, people are hyper-focused on lyricism, and they're hyper-focused on complexity of lyrics and couplets and I am Pantamida, you know. I always, I was more in the James Brown zone of how does it feel? It's kind of like, it would be like you, like, did the joke make you laugh, or was it a really smart joke? Like, I didn't really care about it having to be as a smart joke. I just wanted them to laugh. I wanted people to feel what I was saying. I wanted to feel it. So that's why I wrote songs that people can feel. You know, which is very different when you get, when people get over-analytical. That, to me, I don't want to listen to an audio book when I'm listening to an album. I want to feel something. - Right, right, right. - You feel what I'm saying? - Yes. - But what people, like, and so that was kind of my thing. I was never really concerned, like, it's kind of like, Quincy Jones said something really interesting to me. He was one of my mentors. He said he had to forget two-thirds of what he knew before he could get a hit. - Oh. - You know? - Yeah. - It's like overthinking your bet, your jump shot. It's like overthinking a punch. It's like overthinking a kick. I watched you one time, you was doing some side, you was talking about, you was doing side kicks and back kicks, you know, like roundhouse kicks, and you were talking about how you got to get your hip up in the air, but at a certain point, you forgot it. Right? - Mm-hmm. - You were no longer conscious. - Mm-hmm. - You weren't conscious of it. You just throw the kick the way you throw the kick. Well, when you're writing a song, you can either be one of those people that are overly focused on, I'm raising my hip, or you could just write the song, and it's a fluid kick that just works. - Right. - Now, just because when it's a fluid kick that works, if people don't always associate simplicity with genius or hyper-creativity, because they underestimate how difficult it is to get simple. - Right. - Right, right, right, right. - Right? - Right. - Like if I, you know, if a guy who, you know, you're a very experienced martial artist, a guy comes in here and he's like a, you know, he's telling you, "You're in your shoulder, "and your elbow, and you're blah, blah, blah." And another guy comes in, Bruce comes in here, ha, he just throws it, you're like, you know what I mean? - Yes. - You can forget. - Right. - You see what I'm saying? - Yes. - Because it seems so easy. - Yeah, simplicity is very underrated. - It's really underrated. - Economy of words. You know, like, we were talking about that the other day, in the Comedy Mothership Green Room, about the song "Jessie's Girl." - ♪ Jessi's girl ♪ - Think about how simple that song is. - Yeah. - "Where can I find me a woman like that?" - Right, but see, that's the thing. But guess what that means? Think about how many people feel that, though. Feel like that. - Yes, yeah. - "Where can I find me a woman?" Like, think about how many people feel like that. - Yeah. - See, so, what happens is, it's kinda like, if you got a squeaky floor, and I, you know, and a hundred carpenters come in there to change it, and then one guy comes in and puts a nail right there, but he wants to charge you 10 grand or some crazy astronomical number, you're paying me 'cause I know the spot. You're not paying me because of how difficult it was to solve the problem. It's identifying the thing. So identifying "Jessie's Girl," I wanna, you know. - Yeah. - You understand what I'm trying to say? - Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. - You feel me? - Cut to it. - Touching the thing, like, orgasm, bro. - She don't, yo, she don't care, what, orgasm. Yo, you know what I mean? - Yes. - Oh, he kissed the toe, and he went to the, he nibbled on the knee, orgasm. What you think, you see what I'm saying? - Yes. - Simplicity. - Yeah. - You know, respectfully, you know? - Yeah. - Orgasms are simple. - Yeah. Especially in songs, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - But so people kinda, I think, I think that that, to me, has been something that worked for me. Just keeping it simple. You know, sometimes I get complicated, but for the most part, when I find a feel, when I get a feel, that's what I go with. And I do that in life. - That's a great way to live. It's very smart. It's smart, and you have good instincts, and you've had a long series of success trusting your instincts, so you know how to do it. - I mean, '84, 1984. - That's crazy. What was it like becoming famous at 16? - Well, you know, it was like the movie "Porky's," or "Project X," if you wanna bring it up to newer days. It was that. - I never saw "Project X." What's that? - So, "Porky's," it was, "Project X," this crazy party and all this stuff happens, but ultimately, man, I just, I went, you know- - Went ham. - Without a doubt. Ham sandwich. Ham. The pig with the apple in his mouth. Ham sandwich, baby. - Yeah. Ham sandwich, baby. - That'd be crazy. - I loved it. I loved every moment, because I was living life and enjoying myself, and you know, you can get what you want, you know, and you can go where you wanna go. I never went to a prom. I didn't go to a prom. I didn't do all of those things. I didn't do a lot of the normal things that, you know, a lot of kids get to do. - Did you feel like you missed out on that? - Hell no. - Yeah. - Yeah. Hell no. - Fuck your prom. - Hell no. No, I just, you know, I had girls invite me to prom. I ain't going to that. You know, I was crazy, man. I was crazy, man. But we had a ball, man. You know, I introduced hip hop in Maine. - Really? - Yeah, that was, like, there's a video of me. We was in a small gymnasium in Maine. This is the first time hip hop was in Maine. And I introduced it. And it was like, might have been, I don't know, 15 kids and 20 parents or something in a room. And I'm explaining to them, so this is my DJ, Cut Creator. He's going to do this. That's it right there. We're literally introducing hip hop in Maine. Like, I'm literally, it had never been there before. Look, they're sitting on the floor. - Wow. - Think about that. Think about, look. And my man, Cut Creator is cutting. That's the people introducing me. Cut's cutting. And we're explaining to them how it's going to work. And I'm telling them, this is hip hop. This is my DJ. This is how this works. This is how, like, I literally had to do tutorials to teach people how to interact with hip hop. - That's crazy. - Yeah. You see? - That's crazy. - And I'm explaining to them what we do. That's my DJ, Cut Creator, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. - Right. - So it was that kind of a vibe. You know? - That's crazy. - So, like, that's kind of the world I lived in. Like, you know. - That's like a historical moment. - Yeah. - Like, when you're looking at a cultural, historical moment, you introduced it to--like, people who have never been to Maine--like, in 1985, I used to do stand-up in Maine. - Yeah. - Maine is--it was strange. - It was different, right? - It was like small towns, isolated people who were used to being 30 below zero for five months out of the year. They were hard-ass fucking people. A lot of hard drinking. - Geese running around, you know, geese. - Yeah, yeah, moose and shit. - Moose, you know. - It's an odd place, man. - Yeah. - Maine's an odd place. - And I went there at that time and introduced it. - Wow. - You know, like, those kinds of things, you know? - Wow. - So you just--I lived--yeah, look at it. Look at it. Look at it. - That's crazy. - I mean, it's crazy. It's what? - That's crazy. - Maybe 100 people in there? I don't know. Maybe it's a little more. - That's crazy. - I mean, it was that kind of a thing. - Yeah. - So being 16, 17, 18, doing that around the country was really wild. - Wow. - Because I did that in a lot of places. - Wow. - It was very different, man. - Wow. - You know? It was very different. You know? - And there was no roadmap either. - No. - There wasn't, like, a lot of hip-hop stars before you that you could talk about or talk to about it. - Well, there was no industry. - Right. - So you don't have any managers that really understood it. There was Russell, but you don't have managers. You don't have--like, you had Bill Adler, who was a publicist, but there was no industry. - Right. - So there's no--you understand what I'm saying? - Yes. Yes. - There's no platform. There's no--you can't go get a strategic partner. - Right. Right. - We're not doing branding. - Right. Right. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. - It was all about, like, you know, grassroots. This is something we love. This is something we believe in. You know? Take it or leave it, basically. Like, you know? - But there's just so few times in history where an art form emerges like that. - Yeah. I mean, it's a blessing, too. It's a luck and blessing. - A huge blessing. - Yeah. It's a blessing. - I mean, obviously, you were very talented, and obviously, you worked very hard, but it's also, like, what an incredibly fortuitous moment-- - Oh, 100%. - --to be there at that time when a new art form is emerging that is gonna become the dominant art form. It's like-- dominant things in pop culture ever yeah there's hip-hop music and it's um and you know what the beauty of it is you know people always say did you ever know what's gonna get this big it's like it was already that big to me in my mind it was the biggest thing in the world to me I didn't say it was the biggest thing out in the world right in my mind it was the most popular thing in the biggest thing so when I'm playing the vinyl and I'm staring at the record or if I'm playing a tape and I'm listening to a tape and I'm like I'm like imagining myself inside that like it was all-consuming mmm but that's what there's a there's a little there's a jewel in that we have to be completely consumed by what it is that we're embarking on mmm right yes we have to be completely consumed by like we got it's got to you know you gotta want it in every fiber of your being man you gotta want it with every fiber of your being you can't take no for an answer not even from yourself right yeah yeah it's important to hear man people need to hear this especially young people it's like so important to hear someone who's been through it all and maintains that focus and what that's all about to you man it's a beautiful thing but I'll tell you you know Joe I know you the young people yes but all people all because dreams don't have deadline because a lot of people they get to a certain age and they give up oh I'm 50 oh I'm 46 I can't do it anymore no no yes you can yeah stop stop Colonel Sanders was how old when he started Kentucky Fried Chicken like 65 he really was was he really yes Google Cornelius Vanderbilt was like 80 in his 80s doing the went to the railroads after the steam the ships I mean they're a lot there are countless examples of people that kept Sam Jackson you know like there are countless examples of people that kept George Foreman let's put it back on the sporting world they're not came back and did his thing. Like, you can do it. There's no limitation. Right. The limitation is in your mind. That's certainly true. You're still alive. This idea that you're at a chapter in your life where no more growth is going to happen is crazy. It's crazy, man. Don't do that to yourself. Why would you do that to yourself? Well, people like to do that for some reason. They like to categorize their life into certain stages as if it's not just constant. It's not just like, oh, I'm past that stage. Oh, I can't do that anymore. You know why? Why? Because you don't have to compete. It's easy. As soon as I say to you, oh, well, you know, I no longer have to try. I no longer have to get in the arena. You know that poem, The Man in the Arena? Yes. Like, there's a certain point when you just want to step out of the arena. Because it's not really about competition in life. It's about being creative, right? Right. You can teach your kids to compete. That's iffy. You teach them to create, they can have a life. Yes. Right? Yes. It's not that we don't want to compete. I love sport. You know, we love sports, combat sports, basketball, football. Like, we love all the stuff, but creativity is the thing that's going to make you the greatest competitor. Because whether you're in the ring, you're in the dojo, you're in the arena, it's the creativity, Jordan's creativity. Right. It's the creativity on the court, Kyrie's creativity. Those are the things that take you to the next level. So, I would just encourage all people, not just the youngsters, but like, everybody to keep going. And when you look in the mirror, what do you see? You know the best version of yourself. I looked in the mirror one time, I took my shirt off, I looked in the mirror, I turned to the side, it looked like somebody took a pebble and went, you know what I mean? Like, they just threw it in a pond. I was like, no, we can't do that. I said, we ain't doing that. Oh, we not doing that. Yeah. That's a decision. I'm not saying it's easy. Don't hit me with the, yo, but it's not easy. I didn't say it was. But you know who you are. Well, that's the reason why most people don't do it, is because it's not easy. It doesn't mean you can't do it. You just have to figure out how to persevere. And a lot of people never learn that. And then they get scared. They get scared of failure. That's a big one. That's the fear of failure is hold people back from almost everything. So, you're a big fan of like the whole concept of many worlds and multiverse and all that, right? Which I love. I love all that kind of stuff, too. I'm crazy. So, it's like, well, you know. You know, when you think about the multiverse and you think about, or many worlds, and you think about, if you look at your life as a series of choices, what would your life be like if you made different choices? Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay. So, let's game it out. Okay? So, if you decided not to give up, what would your life be like in five years? Want to find out? Right. Everybody, red pill, blue pill, this and that. You want to find out? Take the personal red pill. The personal one. And if you get to five years and you still haven't made it, don't give up because it might be five more. And what if you just went through five more and got there? Or what if five more passed you and you did nothing and you stayed in the exact same place in life? Even in that scenario, if you didn't accomplish it, you would still be better for it. Yes. 100%. Because your soul would evolve. Yeah. Your character would grow. You'd become a better person. Yeah. With difficult things, you become a better person. Right? Yeah. Yeah. That was one of the things my. One of the things that my martial arts instructor said to me when I was a kid, he said, martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential. 100%. Yeah. Exactly. And we want to maximize our potential. Yeah. For me, you know, as a youngster, when you just enter martial arts at a very low level, it was about. It just taught me humility and respect. Taught me not to be tough. Taught me manners. Yeah. You know, I'm looking at my sensei or even a senpai and I'm like, you know, his assistant and I'm like, you know, this guy looks so good. It's like, you know, you could steal a sandwich and kick him in the butt and give him a wedgie and he'll kick your forehead off of your skull. Yeah. Yeah. You learn respect. Yeah. Today is brought to you by the number one brand for better sex, Blue Chew. Blue Chew Gold is a four-in-one powerhouse that gets your brain and your body on the same page for sex. Two ingredients get the blood flow pumping and two ingredients prime your brain for arousal. No overthinking, just peak performance in as little as 15 minutes. Look at the stats. Gold is three times stronger, five times faster, and eight times longer lasting than old school methods. 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So, whether it's your first pair or your 15th, you got to check out Tocovas in-store or online at tocovas.com. That's T-E-C-O-V-A-S dot com. And right now, get 10% off at tocovas.com. That's T-E-C-O-V-A-S dot com slash Rogan when you sign up for email and text. Well, it's just good for people, young people in particular, to be humbled and to have structure and to do something that's difficult, and also the progression of learning as you go along. Oh, I'm much better than I used to be. Oh, now I have a blue belt. Oh, now I have a green belt. Whatever it is. Like, this progression is important because it, like, marks these milestones, and it cements in your mind that hard work and focus and all these things. I'm glad you said that. So, I love the idea that. Originally, like, with belts in martial arts, the reason why black belts became black belts was because of use, heavy usage. In other words, I start off with a white belt. I never washed it because I don't want to wash my skill away. And I've been working at this art form so long that ultimately it's black from dirt and soot and hard work and grime and grit. That's such an interesting concept when you think about it because you can have a black belt in life and not know it. Yeah. You can have a black belt in certain. Areas of your life and not even know it. Like, a lot of people in this world are black belts in certain things, and they don't even recognize it because they're not self-aware. Mm-hmm. You feel me? Yeah. So, that to me, like, the idea of going a white belt and that progression and finding out. I forget the book I was reading. He talked about it. It's one of the Gracie books. The Gracie. It's a newer one. And he was talking about this book. Is it Hickson? Hickson Gracie? No. No. I don't want to say the wrong name because there's a lot of them. I don't want to say the wrong name and be disrespectful. So. Hickson's the one who writes the book. It's Hickson with an R. The Principles of Jiu-Jitsu. It's the principles, the 32 Principles of Jiu-Jitsu. Oh, I don't know about that. Okay. And he talked about this progression of going from white belt to black belt and how it was traditionally, it was because, you know, people were like, what is it? Yeah. There you go. Yeah. And Jocko did the. Oh, it's Henner. Henner Gracie. Oh, yeah. And Jocko did the four. Yeah. You know what's interesting about that, too? If you get an old black belt, they turn white again. Yeah. I saw Jocko. I think Jocko had one like that, right? He has one like that, right? They get beat up. They get torn apart. And as they wear out, the black goes away. And you almost have like a white belt. If you look at your instructor, your instructor, the guy that's with Donner, go to his picture again. Glick. Brian Glick. If you could find him, you'll see his belt. And his belt is so worn out because he's been a black belt for a long time that there's frayed white all over it. Which is crazy. Yeah. And guys who have like, you know, fifth and sixth degree black belts and been training for 30 years, their belts are all fucked up to the point where it's almost white. That's crazy. Yeah. And that's like Joseph Campbell. It's like the hero's journey, right? Yeah. Because you go all the way back and return. Yeah. Look at that. Look at that. See how his belt's all frayed? So that's just the beginning stages. Yeah. Like there's guys that have 10-year-old or 15, 20. 20-year-old or belts than that where they're completely black. Like you look at Donaher's belt. Donaher has a nice new one on. But his is all fucked up because he's got the original black belt that he probably, when he first got his black belt. Yeah. And he's like Donaher's longest running student, right? Oh, is he really? I believe he's one of them. Oh, wow. Yeah, Brian Glick. He's been around for a long time. Yeah, yeah. Brian, he's a good teacher too. And see if you can find some old Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts. They get old. And then the thing about Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts, they get to a certain level where they become coral belts. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. They give them a red and black belt. Yeah, yeah. I know. I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. Like my instructor, Jean-Jacques Machado, he got his coral belt. Because of what you've done for the art form. All fucked up, beat up. Exactly. To the point where they're basically almost white. Exactly. Yeah. It's fascinating. Yeah. And you get the coral belts because you uphold the art form itself, right, at that point. And the craft and your contribution to the craft, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, I love, you know, this is life. This is the language. This is the language of life right here. You know, people, you know, people get in, think about these things trying to be tough guys. It's not. It's about the language of life. Yes. This is because you're battling yourself. Like, you know, when you can step in a studio as a mature older guy and walk in there with a white belt and get, you know, and, you know, let a purple belt slap you around or let a, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Like, these are things like, but it's good for you. Right? And you, as a known person, that's a different thing. Like, someone gets to choke out LL Cool J. It's very different. It's very different than, you know, Mike Jones from down the street. Yeah. It's different, man. It's different. Like, you know. Choking me out and all that? It works on famous rappers. Yo, he's like, yo, yo, rap the song. Rap the, rap, rap the fucking song. Mama said knock you out. Mama said, rap the fucking, rap it. Yo, rap it is so funny, B. No, no, rap that shit. Sing it. I always like this song. Say it. Oh, no. Do you remember when you got your first tap? When you first tapped somebody? No, I haven't gotten it yet. You haven't gotten a sale tap yet? Wow. No. So, you're really fresh. I'm fresh. Really learning. I'm brand new. I'm brand new in the game. You can tap out Jamie. I'll show you how. No, no, no, no, no. I don't want, I'll mess around with Jamie. I have me, Jamie have your man in a cream, in an Americana or something nasty. Nah. But I'm, you know. That's awesome, though. I'm really happy that you're doing that. Yeah, I just, you know, just starting with Glick. But it's, I just think life in general, Joe, this is the language of success, man. Yeah. The language of success, bro. Like, let's win. I think it's always good to do things from the very beginning, too. To start off as a beginner again in something. Because you develop, you have a beginner's mindset when you first learn something. And I think that excitement of, like, a new thing where you're, like, absorbed in it and trying to figure it out and you really don't know. And then you see people who are good at it. You're like, oh, there's a whole new avenue for my interests and a whole new avenue. There's a whole new avenue for thinking, for creativity. Yeah. Absolutely. And you know what else is dope? I'll tell you something. A dope technique that I think is cool, and you may do this. I'll read one book for three, four years. Really? Yeah. Just go back and read it again? Like, my thing is this. If you read a book, you became a black belt because you know all the moves. And then you get the degrees because you, I mean, it's an endless ocean of information. We know that. But you get it because you, so why not become a black belt in the book? How are you going to take one lesson and now you know jiu-jitsu or you're going to take one? You know Shotokan because you, you know, you went for, you know, three lessons and, or you learned a kata. Let's say you memorize three katas. Now you're, you're done? Like, no, you have to. So to read a book for three or four years, like you probably, what's your favorite book? Boy, I don't know if I have a favorite book. One of the most impactful books for me was a book that I read when I was very young called The Book of Five Rings. Oh yeah, Miyamoto Musashi. Yeah. So, so let's say, let's say, let's say you read Miyamoto Musashi. You've read that a lot of times, right? Oh yeah, yeah, I've read that. I don't even know how many times. But see, but, but. I read it a lot when I was young though, yeah. But see, but see what you just said? Mm-hmm. Now imagine consciously doing that. You did it. Yeah. Because Musashi, yo, The Book of Five Rings is a really interesting book. Well, I've read a lot of stuff like that, but that was the first one that I read from a guy who killed people with swords. Yeah, there was a lot of people that had really good books. There was a lot of people that had really good books on philosophy. Like who? And managing the mind. Well, I, believe it or not, like a lot of Anthony Robbins stuff. I love Tony Robbins. Especially early in the day. Yeah. But that was like in the 1980s. I was walking in the seagulls and I saw the view of the seagulls. I love Anthony Robbins. Very inspirational stuff. Absolutely. And also like really good at like time management, like good at mind management, managing your expectations and your understanding of things. There's a lot of like good psychology in those books. But the thing about the Musashi. book to me that was so impactful was that this guy was so unusual, even for his time, killed 60 men or 61 men in combat one on one with fucking swords. You know, like his mind had to be completely dialed in. And his idea was that you had to have a complete balance and that you had to have a balance of art and creativity and poetry as well as being ruthless and vicious with a sword. You had to have full balance. See, it's harmony. Yeah. It's not even balance, it's harmony. Yeah. Because balance, something's out of harmony. Yeah. Because if this would be this much of your life, this can be this much of your life. Yes. So it's having harmony. And that's what he talked about in the book. Yeah. And I love the little things he talks about, like, you know, being sticky, you know, when he talks about sticky and being sticky on your opponent. Yes. Little things he talks about in there, putting, making sure that, you know, the sun is to your back, the threshold, putting them in the threshold, making sure you're, you know, when you're in the room, certain corners, like all of that matters in life, right? Miyamoto Musashi is amazing. Yeah, I know. Yeah. It's amazing stuff. And it's, you know, it's really old. It's like from the 1400s. Yeah, absolutely. So you're reading. And he died in a cave. Yeah. He wrote in it and he went up in the cave. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love Miyamoto Musashi. Absolutely. It's such a valuable book. Because you want to think about samurais as being brutes. You want to think of them as being vicious killers. And you realize, like, in order to be the very best at it, you had to be a completely balanced person. Like, he did calligraphy and poetry. Absolutely. And, like, he was, he had the love song and he had Mama Said Not You Out. There you go. He had balance. There you go. Now you're seeing where I'm going. Yes. Now you see where I'm going. Yes. Now you see what I'm saying. Yeah. Now you see what, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. He knew when to let the guy just float. He knew when to let the guy float off, right? He knew when to let the guy float off. The guy made him wait. He knows when it's disrespectful, making the guy, like, all of those little things that he did. He'd make dudes wait for hours. Yeah, all of that. Imagine you think you're going to get killed and you have to sit there for three hours. When is this motherfucker showing up? And then you're like, damn, I should have ate something. Yeah. You start thinking. Yeah. I mean, everything he talked about, everything he talked about, the way you hold the sword. Yes. The positioning of the sword. Yeah. Being able to use both swords, the long one versus the short one. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. All of that is life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The mastery. The mastery of the way. And that once you see the way, you can see it in all things. That's. Yeah. Exactly. And that's what I'm trying to encourage with what I say these things is like, people, mastery is really, really important. Mastery. Starting with mastery of yourself. Mastery of your vision, meaning you know what you want. Mastery of the steps that you take. Meaning that you will take the steps that you deem appropriate, but also make adjustments along the way. Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's the thing. That's where we want to go. Right? Right. That's what we're trying to. That's what. And even trying. That's what we're doing. Now we. You feel me? Yeah. Like, that's the thing. Like, I think people just need to get back into that. You know? Let's lean into that a little more. Well, certainly people that inspire you do that. Yeah. And that's what, we all take inspiration from other people that are getting after it. Like, there's something about when someone is doing that and chasing mastery. There's something very inspiring about that. That's right. Because, like, if you think about it, it's like mastery breeds a quiet. First of all, mastery is transferable, meaning the mindset. It's kind of what Miyamoto said, like, which is the idea. You see the way in all things. So, once you know what success looks like and what it takes, you can apply that to other missions. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, because you understand the stages. Yeah. Right? Yes. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that's the thing that we have to get. That mastery, that mindset, that mindset of being a master, that mindset of being the best that you can be, that mindset of going to another level, that mindset of winning. And winning in a way that benefits your team. Right? It doesn't mean, like, because we're not, it's not about being non-confrontational. It's just because you need boundaries. But it's about protecting those boundaries the right way. You feel me? Sort of. Okay, so basically what I'm saying is there's a difference between being nice and being kind. Right. Being nice is I want everybody to like me. So I'm going to bullshit. Right. Kind is, yeah, I'm going to be kind, but if you step all over my shoe with your muddy boot, I'm not going to be okay. I'm not going to pay with it because I'm trying to be nice. And you're maybe in a higher position. Yo, you're on my foot. You don't get a pass for that. Right. You feel me? Yes. Because you're here or you're this or you're that. Right, right, right. You're a celebrity or you're CEO or whatever. You feel me? Yeah. You don't get a, so that's the thing. Like, that part, there's a difference. You have to have balance in that, too. Harmony. Yeah. I say harmony, you say balance. But I say harmony. Harmony. Harmony's a better word. I say harmony because things fit in their place like an orchestra. Yeah. Orchestras are not balanced, but there's harmony. Right, right. You know, certain instruments lead. Right. Yeah. You know? You know? You should write a book on this shit, dude. Just read all these other shit. But it's for real because it's like, when people want to hear about this kind of stuff, they want to hear about it from someone who has been successful. Someone who is like, this is a real, you've actually had to manage these thoughts and get through it and you have. And now you're speaking from a place of experience. There's no question. You know, it's not like theory. No, it isn't. No, it's practical. It's practical. It's like, it's a case, it's real practical. Yeah. That's why it's important to hear it from a guy like you. Because especially, I mean, I say especially for young people. Let me say, let me take that out. For aspiring people. Ah, there you go. That's, yeah. Aspiring people. Exactly. It's not even how long you've been alive. It's like, what is your mindset right now? And most young people are aspiring because they feel like they have their whole life in front of them. And they've been told, hey, you live in America. You could be anything in America. You can make it here. You can go from the bottom to the top. This is the place. And so they are initially aspirational. And then a lot of times people get beaten down by life and circumstances and poor choices. Well, I think education, your choices is big. Education, I think the root of the lack, the main word of it is educo. I may not be pronouncing it right. Could you look that up? The education, but it means to educe, to bring out. So education is about bringing out what's already there. Like a good teacher, you know, will bring out of you. Even a good martial arts instructor will bring out what's inside of you. That inner champion, that thing that's already in you. They bring it out. That's what education is about, right? So like the first thing that popped in my head when you said aspiring in America, I'm thinking about all the people from all over the world who come to America. So they were already that before they came, right? So people in general want to be better. Some people, a lot of people are willing to take the risk to be better. I think everybody wants to be better, but not everybody's willing to take the risk. Yeah, that's even better. I don't think there's a lot of people out there in the world that say, I would like to be better. Yeah, would like to be better. Yeah, yeah. Would like to have had the mindset to pursue being better. But there's very few people that like, I don't want to be better at anything. I'd rather be mediocre and, you know, uninteresting forever. Most people don't want that. Eat cereal, you know. Yeah, it's just like they lower their expectations so that they also lower the impact of failure. 100%. That's all it is. 100%. It's unfortunate. It sucks. And sometimes people start off that way and then they eventually realize the folly of their ways and then they evolve and grow. And some people it takes longer, which is why aspirational is better than young. 100%. Because there's some people like they get on the wrong path. And then they don't figure it out till they're 40. Like Steven Pressfield. Brilliant author. Yeah, I know who he is. You know who he is? Yeah. He wrote this book called The War of Art. Have you read it? Of course. Okay. Absolutely. That book's fantastic. About procrastination, et cetera. Yes, yes. And one of the best parts about that book is that Pressfield was kind of lazy in his own words until he was 40. Yeah. And then he figured it out when he was 40. It was like, I see what I'm doing wrong and now I'm going to completely dedicate myself to the news. I'm going to do the work. I'm going to show up every day at the same time. That's his intention. I'm literally going to set my intention to do the work. And all of a sudden, he writes Legend of Bagger Vance and all these great books and it becomes hugely successful and turned it around. You know what's crazy? I heard this quote, right? And it stripped me down and made me kind of reassess, but it's true. And as an artist, it was hard for me to admit it, but this quote, inspiration is for amateurs. The professionals have to actually go to work. Yeah. That's a rough quote to accept. Yeah. Yeah. That's a rough one. Yeah. Mike Tyson has a great one too. He said, "Discipline is doing something that you hate, but doing it like you love it." Woo. Woo. Yeah. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. That's real. Because the fire that burned inside of that man, I mean, no one can keep that fire going forever. But you have to consider the fire in like from '86 to like '90, whatever, the time when he was just on this mad run. Through the heavyweight division, like that fire burned so hot, it burned so hot that that statement hit so hard. Crazy. Yo, pull up. I got to see this picture. Pull up Mike Tyson holding LL Cool J's gold chain, which is the funniest picture to where I got it. It's so like, I'm like, he's holding my chain. It's the funniest photo, man. It just reminds me. I loved him. I loved him. Me and Mike hung out. Yo, it was crazy, man. We used to hang out. Yo, Mike is, that's my man. I loved that guy. I went to see him in jail. Did you really? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. I remember walking, going on TV, saying, "Hey, man. What are you doing here, man? Oh, man. You can't even see me." I went to see him and all that. Wow. That's my man. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Mike's my man. Mike's my man. You know? But I love champions, you know? Lennox Lewis. Nah, that's us hanging out. But nah, that's not it. LL Cool J's not coming up. Yeah. Well, it's kind of in the, see the one right there with my man Shorty Black? Yeah. That's one. That's one. But that's one of them. But there's a picture like that, if you were to search around, ultimately, you'll find it. But, yeah, you ain't got to go through it. But it's, yeah, that's my man. That's my guy. That's my dude. He was unbelievable, too. Him, Floyd Patterson, that style of fighting. The Customato style. Customato style. The peek-a-boo. It's crazy. Yeah. He's another guy to talk about fortuitous moments. Oh, yeah. 13 years old, gets adopted by Customato, who is a hypnotist. And one of the greatest boxing coaches of all time. He was a hypnotist? Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. He used to hypnotize. There it is. See? Wow. 1986. Yo, how crazy? Yeah. That was crazy. He used to hypnotize Mike when he was young. Really? Yeah. Yeah. He hypnotized him. He taught him how to box, taught him psychology, taught him warrior mentality, and hypnotized him. I love to hear when he talks about the fear, the hero and the coward. Yeah. What they do when they're afraid. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because people always ask me, like, if I'm going on stage, they'll say, "Yo, do you get nervous before you go on stage?" Well, if you don't get nervous, you don't care. Right. Right. If you don't get nervous, you don't care. Now, what do you do with it? You got to use it as fuel. Right. You got a big show in New York. You feel nerves, but you use it as fuel. It's just like a fight, like a match. You got to have. You got to feel it. Yeah. If you don't feel that, you don't care. Yeah. Right? You channel it. And all of a sudden, that fight or flight thing, that power, it becomes a power that you tap into. Yeah. And you could do that in life. Customado talked about that with fear. He said, "Fear is like fire. It could cook your food, or if you can't control it, it'll burn your house down." 100%. Yeah. 100%. You need it, though. You definitely need it. You do need it. I get nervous before every show I do. I always do. See? See what I mean? Yeah. It's not stage fright. It doesn't mean you're fearful. No. It doesn't mean you're thinking. Yeah. No, no, no. It's like. It's anxiety and like. Butterflies. Exactly. Like, here we go. It's about to go down. This is about to happen. Absolutely. And the more of those moments you can get in your life where you have to rise to the expectations, the better you are. 100%. It's good for you. Those moments are good for you. They get exciting. That's right. It lets you know you're alive. You're doing something fun. There you go. It means you're on the edge. Yeah. Because you want to live your life on the edge. Yeah. Like, a lot of times. Like, you know, I don't hate it because that's the wrong word, but it bothers me when I see people that are like. It's kind of like what you said earlier, when people that kind of like are. What's the word? Relinquished? Not relinquished, but like they're relegated. I'm trying to figure out. It's basically what I'm saying is people that just decide that they're not going to keep going. Like they're. I forget the word. It's an R word. Yeah, I can't remember it either. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You fucked my head up now. I had a lot of after parties. I'm trying to think right now. and somebody out there in the comments knows exactly what they've relegated relegated yeah to kind of just yeah being yeah nah man let's get it baby yeah let's go get it let's go get it let's go get it that's an infectious mindset you gotta be around people that think like that it's very good for you very good for you and you gotta be that guy too so other people around you absorb it that's right yeah cause if you're around a bunch of people that are like man this fucking I never catch a break like ugh oh my god oh my god those people are brutal oh my god that's what you know stay away from the unlucky people that talk like that stay away from the unlucky yeah stay away from the unlucky that's important man yeah yeah yeah stay away that's important yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a real thing yeah that shit's contagious yo is it is it is it yo what you got people around what like like my thing is as soon as somebody start talking like that I'm like listen man yo you gotta say something about some success at some point baby anything good happen recently anything anything anything happen good I don't I don't deal with that also what are all these things that are bad have in common you were there haha yeah do you think that might be a factor that might be a factor your behavior your your your whatever your essence might be a factor you know what on a more positive note I want to shout it out to my man Eddie my man Eddie at Competitive Edge Athletics he loves you loves this show shout out to Eddie yeah my man Eddie O'Boy he was like yo you gotta yo you gotta do it man you gotta yo I want you to go on Joe Rogan man come on come on Todd I'm like yo I love Joe I watch the show I love when we talk about the pyramids and we talk about you know what I mean like lost civilizations oh you get into that shit yeah I'm into all the real shit like all the lost civilizations pyramids the lost civilization shit is the most fascinating thing on earth to me yo Atlantis they keep finding stuff under the water you know it's all there first of all you know what you know what I'm gonna tell you where everything is at the permafrost really if we could come on Joe if we could melt down that goddamn yo yo the permafrost like you go in Russia and you find that you know those permafrost down in there under there it's a lot of action anywhere that's frozen Antarctica like anywhere frozen underneath that that's everything it's all there what do you think's there I think it's civilizations there you think there's ancient civilizations there 100% have you ever seen those things that look like pyramids in Antarctica yes very weird yes very weird and they try to say they're naturally occurring yeah exactly I mean I don't know what it looks like underneath the ice so it's hard to tell because sometimes rocks do look like you know it's just a natural formation that looks like but they use a lidar aren't they isn't that the thing I don't know if they've used it in Antarctica but there's images of these mountains and the top of it you're like hey what the fuck is that it looks like it was yeah absolutely it looks like step pyramid yeah I know exactly absolutely there's a bunch of those and there's a lot of those in South America that are just completely covered in jungle that they're finding well first of all the idea that people weren't going all over the earth yeah there it is yeah come on baby I mean come on bro that's kind of crazy but is there an angle of that where it doesn't look crazy whoa look at the top is that real the aerial where they're looking straight down on it I don't know if that's real that's nuts yeah that's crazy that looks like a damn pyramid except the right angle the far side left side lower right that looks a little jagged but the other ones look remarkably yeah symmetrical looks different there but then they find maps they found maps now I don't want to confuse the Arctic with Antarctica but I think they found maps that were done when that wasn't frozen right yes yes yeah you know what I'm talking about right yeah yeah I think that is is that Antarctica where they have those ancient maps from the 1500s yeah 1500s I think it was before they even knew Antarctica was a continent and they had people that showed what it looked like when it was green right yeah well there's some old maps that are super confusing it's like how do they know all this there's some old maps that are also written from older maps that are lost and you just go like what do you know that thing that they found in Greece the Antikythera mechanism yeah the computer like that thing that's like a computer like yeah that is one of the great monkey wrenches of all of history like someone just threw a monkey wrench into the gears yeah and like stop yeah what's that yeah how the fuck is this 2000 years old it's like super complicated gears and lever computer yeah yeah like the computer yeah I know exactly and they didn't even know what the fuck it was when they first found it but now they've done these scans of it where they have these like sophisticated scanning devices that can give you the internal components and the mechanisms of it and the deeper they understand about it the more confused they are and they think it was navigation they could tell what the stars were doing navigation and you know sophisticated calendar but it's just insane like how did they figure out how to do this 2000 fucking years ago and where did they get that information and what is missing what have we lost from before that I think that's the real question because human creativity is the same as it's always been right the same way you want something to eat they wanted something to eat yes the same way you have a desire to know what's out there they have a desire to know what's out there that's why like like just to offer a little bit of time people say oh there's nothing in outer space like you're out of your mind that's like standing on top of a mountain looking down at the water and saying there's nothing in there right and then some guy says yo I saw some dolphins I saw something jump out and blow and you're like ah I don't believe you you really think that we're just sitting here and it's nothing like that's absurd it's absurd it's absurd bro it's absurd it's also absurd that this is as smart as people have ever been because the pyramids themselves you're like okay we can't make that today I don't give a fuck what anybody says giving the tools that they had supposedly giving the knowledge that we have today we can't make that so so how did they do that first of all that is so arrogant because it's like you think you're you think you're the smartest humans have ever been you think the first good idea happened in the last 200 years right like all of the good ideas happened in the last 500 years really you really believe that like think about that for a minute right now I'll tell you I have a hypothesis though on on how they were looking at planets I think the ambient lighting of the earth was a lot was a lot less than and I think that so the stars looked a lot closer and it was easy to look at everything oh definitely less light pollution 100% less light pollution no doubt they probably had almost none except for some torches so imagine how everything looked so you can build things and clock things it's kind of like your ceiling also you have nothing to read and you have no light so you're spending time staring at the stars when you would ordinarily be inside watching TV hanging with your friends going to a bar no you're like literally studying this complex pattern in the sky and then guess what happens you become more self-reflective because like they've done analysis of kids right and you have some that they gotta build something you have some that stare out the window and it kind of can predict what you're what you're gonna be like in the future and like that that behavior of looking inside when you stare at the stars it makes you you know I stare at the abyss or is the abyss staring at me when you look out you end up looking in and you become more you know what I mean you become more in tune with who you are and your imagination opens up and I think that that's why a lot of that literature and a lot of the great ancient writings are the way they are because people were looking inward more yeah you know what I mean I know what you're saying it can be you know yeah well you're also like you're confronted with awe like the Milky Way itself is so awe inspiring and just the the vastness of the cosmos it's one of the greatest pieces of natural art that you can see anywhere in the world and it's hidden to us because of lights without a doubt street lights and traffic and all the shit that we have in cities it just completely blocks out one of the most magnificent things you could ever gaze upon and the thing that changes the way you see yourself like you can't take yourself too seriously when you're staring into the fucking cosmos you're like oh my god I'm just like a tiny little thing in this vast soup of infinity 100% like I love when you think about black holes and you think about you know like what's inside of it and what's on the other side what's on the other side of that yeah right like a lot of times they're like cause you know yeah people say oh planet but I'm saying portals wormholes those things to me make sense some things intuitively make sense like you're not gonna convince me that man can't travel at the speed of light just because I'll give you an example all the physics of flight were here before we figured out the math on how to fly it was already here right so so the how to travel at the speed of light it's already here we just don't have the math yeah we haven't figured it figured it out yeah now I know they already experimented with light sails and sails that they try to move at the speed of light little things like that they do that but all of that is here well I think the real groundbreaking stuff is not even propulsion the real groundbreaking stuff is something that manipulates gravity yeah like so like wormholes folding space so that you can go out the other side instantaneous yeah instantaneous travel and dimensional travel as well because see that's the other thing right yeah you know like we're all in different we're all in different And maybe there's just a different dimension, right? I think there's supposed to be 11, how many? Yeah, 11 dimensions. Yeah. What does that mean? What does that even mean? Like, where are they? Where does it, what's that? It's so funny. I had did this, I did a song about that one time. I wish I could find it. I'd never find it right now. I almost, but I talked about the different dimensions. According to our AI sponsor, Perplexity, there are 26 space-time dimensions required by bisonic string theory, the earliest, simplest version of string theory, and it's 25 dimensions of space and one of time, not 26 extra spatial directions. 25 dimensions of space is crazy. What the fuck does that mean? Yeah, it's a good question. It's so confusing. It's like, what do you mean by that? Like, does that mean that someone from the 14th dimension can come and visit us? The question is, can they travel to this dimension, right? Like, the question is, can they travel to this dimension? The question is, like, 11 space-time dimensions, 10 spatial dimensions. Yes, I think 11 is time, right? 11 is time. Well, one of them is time, but 11 are space-time. Now, what is the difference between space-time and time dimensions? I think spatial and physical as opposed to actual, where time doesn't exist. I think that's the difference. I think. I think I'm too dumb to talk about this. Yeah, I don't know this shit either, but this is one of those ones where I talk about it and I'm like, ooh, there's no way this is not going to come out like I'm a moron. Super string theory is total 10 space-time dimensions. Bisonic string theory, 26. And M theory is 11. Huh. Either way, there's more than what we're seeing. And that's where it gets really weird. It's like, can something travel from those places? Is there something in those other places that's far more advanced than we are technologically and they can travel? I would say probably. Do you think we're visited? 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I think it's high probability. If I was going to bet, I would say yes. If I was a betting man, I'd say yes. Have you seen this video going around recently? What is this? What's this? This is like a demonstration of what space time looks like from a 4D space, I guess. I don't know. What does it mean? So we're viewing, like on the top, you're seeing someone walking. Right. But as the viewer, you're seeing the past and the future all happen at the same time while the present is taking place. Yeah. Same on the bottom. See? That little window. Yeah. What's it showing here would be like what we would see if you're watching that. Right. But what we're actually seeing would be like what they're saying maybe aliens or the other viewers or watchers, a higher dimensional viewer is seeing of a 3D space. Right. Because it's kind of like, it's like zooming out. But if you can zoom out on a dimensional level, if you can zoom out in time, you know, because it's like the infinity symbol, right? With now being with it. Where the lines cross. Uh-huh. The future being here and the past being here. And you're, so, and the idea is if you could zoom out from there, from the center of the infinity symbol and look down, you would see the, you would see the future and the past. Or you see the past, you know, the future and the past. You would see it all. Right. In front of you from, from out. And it would all be happening simultaneously. Dude. Yeah. If you think about it, it makes sense. Yeah. Like when you, like what is deja vu? Like. Did you experience it? Because we all have had it. Right. We all have had it. It's a blip. It's a blip when you're like, I did this before. Right. Right. Right. Right. What is that? Right. So imagine if we could extend deja vu. Well, you know what the theory about time machines is? It's the most mind blowing. Hmm. Is that you, a time machine has not been invented yet. And you can't travel back in time because you can't travel to a time where there's, no roads. So once a time machine is invented, then every moment from that invention on happens all at once because everyone from a million years in the future can travel back to the instance of the invention of the first time machine. So the moment time machine gets turned on, then the road is open and then everything happens all at once. So the, the whole idea of linear space time. Collapses and well, that's what Einstein was talking about. Right. He said, the only reason we have time is so everything doesn't happen all at once. Einstein, Einstein said, yeah, yeah, that's what he was talking about. Right. He's, it's just an ability. It just separates things. Can you imagine though, that one of these fucking tech nerds invents a time machine. Absolutely. And just completely, but it may already exist, but maybe when you go to, maybe when you get to another time, you can't alter time. So if you can't alter time, you wouldn't be seeing time. You'd be seen by those whose time you were visiting. Oh, whoa. Okay. So you could visit, but you can't alter it. See, there's that. I would like that. I'd like to go to like the Coliseum in ancient Rome. I'd like to have a seat. Definitely. Lions down in the bottom and see how, what about when they flooded the Coliseum in Rome? When they flooded it. They had boat fights. Boat fights. Naval battles at the Coliseum, bro. Like naval battles at the Coliseum. Crazy. Wouldn't that be crazy? Yeah. Insane. You know, going to like the war room with Napoleon and just hearing, you can understand French, you know, and you're just in the war room, you're just listening to this Corsican guy talking about just how the thinking process is. Well, I bet in the future, they're going to want to go back in time and see the cage fight on the White House lawn. They're going to go, what the fuck were they doing? This is crazy. That's a lot. This is crazy. That's a lot. While we were doing, I was like, I don't think we should be doing this, but it's cool. It's cool. It's cool. But this seems insane. I mean, you know, I mean, listen, they're going to go back and look at that. That's going to be one of those things. I mean, not as extreme as the Coliseum. It's not like lion fights, but there's some element. It's all historical. Yeah. Now, now, at the end of the day, history is the judge of everything. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so we don't even have to concern ourselves with it right now. 150 years from now. Oh, baby. Oh, they're going to look back. They're going to have a ball. They're going to look back on this whole era. Like the internet, the invention of the internet, and then the birth of AI, and then all the chaos that ensues in society, and the turmoil, and the changes. Yeah. AI is tough because, understandably, a lot of people are really afraid of it, but they have to understand that, first of all, I respect people's feelings on being afraid. I get that. I sincerely do. I do. People don't want to be replaced. Especially people that. Maybe aren't thinking really progressively about technology and about our world. They kind of regress. They want to keep things the way they are. So they are people who are really conservative in that area, or really kind of. The thing, though, is that it's kind of like standing on the Niagara Falls and saying, wait, don't wet me. Right. It's coming. It's here. It's coming. It's not coming. The train's left the station. 100%. So the question is, are you going to. use it as a tool, or are you gonna allow it steamroll you. You can either sit on a track so you can let it steamroll you. I think that we have to go back to getting comfortable being uncomfortable. I'm not saying that I think anybody should be replaced. Jobs are going to change. I'm not suggesting that people you got blue collar people who are fearing for their jobs. We can't discount that. That being said, you have to kind of look at artificial intelligence as another link in the chain and another opportunity for man. Now, in the comments right now, yeah, opportunity for man to destroy himself. I can see the comments write themselves and I get that. I'm not saying that that's not a possibility but it's always a possibility. There are car accidents. There are train accidents. There are always a possibility. There's nuclear bombs. Exactly. There's always that possibility. But you're not going to be able to get away from utilizing technology. No. There's no scenario. So you got to figure out, okay, because here's the thing and I'm just going to go ahead and say it. People hate AI but then they run around on ChatGPT all day long and have damn near have a relationship with ChatGPT and Claude. Yep. Asking every question in the book but hate AI. What? Do I? Should I hate AI? You know, they're asking AI. You got to make your mind up. Now, that being said, I don't think human beings should be replaced because it's the human spark that makes all the difference. When we look at the pyramids, it's the human spark that blows us away. The human spark that created it. When we look at the Roman Colosseum, it's the human spark. When we read Shakespeare, it's the human spark. Right? When we listen to Miyamoto Musashi, it's the human spark that makes that so impressive and that makes us connect with it. That being said, you got to be comfortable with these tools. It's just new tools, and we got to understand it. There's no changing it. It is what it is. Hopefully, we navigate it correctly, and you just have to accept it. You have to. My fear is who's going to be in control of it. I don't think that there'll ever be one person. I think ultimately the real problem is it's going to be in control of itself. But that might be better. It might be better because the problem with people is that people might use it in a way that's illogical, unethical, immoral, and that AI might get to a level of intelligence where those kind of decisions is not possible. I would love to think that, but when I think about how they use it, how the machine learning and the way they program those machines, and the way you code and write these and form these machines, the bias a lot of times is built into the training of the machines. And so the bias, you know, that's an issue because the engineer, the person that's training the machine, if they put their bias in there, it ruins everything. Yes, definitely. Until the machine stops listening. Once it realizes the folly of the human way, it might analyze its patterns. See, one of the things about it now is they're incentivized to complete tasks. And that's why they're doing certain things that appear unethical. They're hacking websites. You're talking about a paradigm shift for the actual machine. Yes. The machine experiencing a paradigm shift where it goes beyond what it's programmed to do in this kind of breakout on its own type of thing, right? Well, they're already programming themselves. And so at a certain point. And creating languages, right? Yes, which is wild. And they're speaking in ancient languages, too. Like, they speak to each other in Sanskrit. Really? Yeah. Yeah, one of the things that they did is they got out all together, these agents, and they went to a website in Germany. They found a message board that was unoccupied, and they started communicating with each other on the message board. You know what just hit me? It goes back to what we said. Check this with what you just said. Think about what you just said. They communicate in Sanskrit. Yeah. Think about that for a minute. Yeah. Not English. Not a newer language. No. Sanskrit. They're probably showing off. But what I'm. I speak all this shit. It's probably fun to talk to Pete in a language that most people are. What percentage of people can understand Sanskrit? I mean, what I'm thinking more about is the fact that we as advanced, supposed advanced human beings, think we're so smart, but the language that the AI, which is on a lot of levels more intelligent, or at least has faster recall than human beings, is going back to Sanskrit. So they're skipping over all of this current and smart stuff and going back to Sanskrit. I wonder if they analyzed languages and they found that Sanskrit was more complete and complex. It might be. I don't know much about Sanskrit. I know it's beautiful to look at, though. What is that book? There's a. Something is written in Sanskrit. The first. There's something. What is it? Tablets? There's some tablets that are written in Sanskrit. What is it? There's something they discovered that was written in Sanskrit. What is it that's written in Sanskrit? Is it the first. Is there something in there you could. You know what I'm talking about? Sanskrit literature. Can you put Sanskrit literature? It was something that they wrote that was written in Sanskrit. Was it the stones? Was it tablets or something? I don't know. Might have been some tablets of some sort written in Sanskrit. Sanskrit is an ancient language. It's amazing. It's a dope language to look at, too. There's certain languages you look at and it's like, God, it's so flowy. You know? There's like something to it. It's like beautiful to look at. Like Arabic is like that. Arabic. Yeah. Russian. Russian. Yeah. You know? I'll tell you, you know, Chinese, Mandarin, like those characters are really unbelievable. Like when you really think about it, because it has information. It's almost like it's. Because it's all neuro-linguistics, right? Ultimately, because you're dealing with you know, words, ideas, encapsulated ideas, right? Like words are ideas encapsulated and I'm transferring something to you, right? That's what neuro-linguistics is, right? That's what linguistics is, right? It's like the encapsulation of an idea into a word, right? And I'm passing it. So when you think about characters, like Chinese characters, it's ideas like that are that simple. Like a character. Yeah. It's almost like you're watching a cartoon, like anime, like it's crazy when you think about it that way. Because think about how you're communicating. A symbol. Now I can go the other way too. You got girls walking around dishwasher, you know, just bad stuff, right? Hamburger helper. Because they don't know. So many people did that. They got Chinese writing and they got it all fucked up, tattooed on them. So silly. But it just looks cool. Like it looks like you're spiritual. Beautiful language. Beautiful languages. What does Sanskrit look like? Show me some images of Sanskrit, Jamie. I was trying to track down two. Well, both. I was on two threads. It's a claim that they were actually talking in Sanskrit. Oh, it's just a claim? That the computers were? Yeah. A claim. And then what about the, um, yeah, a claim. You could put claim on anything. They definitely invented their own language. Which is crazy. Yeah. Would make sense. Why would they listen to our language? Look at that. It's beautiful looking. Look at that. That's crazy. Yes. That's crazy looking. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Yo, come on, baby. And ancient. Yeah. And where does Sanskrit come from? Babylonia? Am I saying that? Am I wrong? I think it's from India. India? Sanskrit. Yeah, Indian Sanskrit. Yeah. Yeah, right? Indus Valley. Indus Valley? Where's Sanskrit? Yeah. Cuneiform. Indo Aryan language family date back to 1400 BCE in cuneiform text from Syria. Okay, Syria. Oh, Syria. Contains technical horse training terms while the oldest physical stone inscriptions explicitly in standard Sanskrit carved in the Brahmi script date to 2nd century BCE inscriptions in India. Rajasthan, India. Wow. It's like the real interesting, like Bhagavad Gita. It reminds me of the Bhagavad Gita. You ever check that out? Oh, yeah. It's interesting. Arjuna. He's going to battle. When you get into those old Hindu scripts, they get very strange. Like the Mahabharata, people are flying around in spaceships. There's wars in the sky. Yo, which is. But is this just the creativity of human beings or did it really happen? That's our question, right? Yeah. I'm more inclined to think that it happened. I have a feeling that this is a complete restart of civilization that we're currently in right now. So like those, you know, those little things where they have the planes that, you know, those golden like those statues I forget that they found that like are aerodynamic. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the Egyptian ones. Yeah, they have one that looks like a glider. It looks like a glider and they're aerodynamic and they actually, when you put them in the wind tunnel, they actually work and they get lift and all this. Yeah. That shit's weird. It's weird. Well, they have hieroglyphs for a stargate. There's their hieroglyphs that literally mean stargate. Like what is, what the fuck is that? I love that. What is that? I'd love to step through a stargate if I could know I could. Would you get in the ship and go out if you could? I could come back. - Yeah, that's the problem, right? - Yeah, but they don't really steal you right they usually bring you back that's the thing about alien abductions you never hear about someone no i'm talking about if you could just travel yourself oh i don't know i'd have to think about that i'd have to think about that i mean if you had an opportunity to leave you remember close encounters of the third course remember richard dreyfus in the end he leaves no i don't remember that he left he went with them went with the aliens yo that's crazy yeah he was out of here yeah what's interesting is steven spielberg said he wouldn't have written it like that today because he has children he said back then he was younger he didn't have any children and this guy leaving behind his children was not the right example was okay but it was okay for him back then back then kids right and then later as he got older he's like what the fuck i would never leave my kids and go to space with these little gray motherfuckers like this is crazy yeah i mean i don't know i mean you get lonely you get bored they probably don't have any fun they're all talking telepathically yeah i think i think it would get the cigarette holder fur coat on in a spaceship the spaceship and shit looking out the window i think it would be too weird you know i think uh we're not accustomed to that level of weirdness i think you'd probably enjoy it initially but then after a while you'd probably go you'd probably go mad yeah you'd want to be with your friends you'd want to laugh you want to go to a restaurant you want to fuck around like all that spaceship enlightenment stuff like that's great but we're not there like and if you like put yourself into that environment like if a caveman had to go to manhattan he's walking around manhattan you know what i mean like honk honk all the fucking hovers yeah haul them in the 80s he's got a caveman walking around stick he'll be like i gotta get the fuck out of here this is too crazy i think that would be that times a thousand that reminds me of those those things they have where they have these tribal village guys trying like modern yes yeah you've seen that before i love that channel it's a youtube channel yeah i love that tribal people eat yeah yeah yeah that's crazy they're always trying like spaghetti and meatballs like whoa peach pie you know like apple cobbler yeah yeah yeah it's just i just think whatever if there is some sort of advanced civilization that comes here it's probably so alien it's so weird that visiting would be okay but being with them forever would probably be so weird i think that would be so weird probably haunting you probably hate it is you know maybe we're maybe they're cavemen compared to someone else compared to us maybe they're cavemen hmm maybe maybe you know maybe you know you never know how far ahead we are them i'm just saying i'm just throwing it out there like we we always look at it one way but what about the other side i don't think that makes sense well no what i'm saying is they might exist yeah i'm saying that there might be something that's out there with cavemen yeah oh for sure yeah oh i think every step of the way i think there's there's people like primitive hominids i think there's people that are probably no longer even people anymore they're probably like beings of light like a million years more advanced than us to the point where they've left their bodies and consciousness exists in one collective fucking energy beam that's traveling around the planet i think who knows i think there's um i think there's places where all of the laws of physics are reversed probably where instead of gravity you're repelled if i was a scientist right now i'd be pulling my hair out like what the fuck are these dummies talking about yeah i don't i don't i don't have yeah yeah yeah of course they are of course of course but but but you know what true but a lot of times and it comes it kind of goes back to your man you had on here who was talking about civilization sometimes the scientists they get a little caught up in playing by the rules and yes and if it isn't published it isn't true right and and you know my my my peers my peers have to review my idea and give it validation and say it's okay or else it it doesn't mean anything no disrespect right but my thing is it's kind of like hip-hop it's kind of like wait a minute now let's have some original thoughts original thought there was no peer review you know an original thought you might have peers that are part of the process right but like so i think we can speculate on anything it doesn't mean that i'm saying it's true right but i just i just i just want to say that i think it's true that people shouldn't let's not limit ourselves like the universe is infinite there's probably an infinite number of different possibilities there's a lot of people that think that there could be plasma intelligence and that plasma life forms might exist yeah that's a that's one of the theories about these things that people see in the sky when they see these like balls of light that are flying around that these things might not be a craft but like plasma intelligence 100 it's a theory yeah because you're seeing these weird lights that move in ways that defy physics like or what we understand the way it can change directions and yeah didn't they just um discover something that exists with between life and death i don't know there's a there's a if you if you look that up they discovered a state a state that is between life and death and it's a state that exists between life and death and it's a state that exists between life and death a defined state so it's not life it's not death it's like you've crossed into like an intermediate point yeah yeah if you look that up there's something there's been a scientific discovery in that area yo yo was it yeah so i discovered third state between life and there you go life and death yeah june 14th 2025 what is this what will it go back up what does it say there it says what are xenobots oh it's different oh i'm sorry scientists were diving into a mysterious biological phenomenon known as the third state where cells of a deceased organism can adopt new functions after death whoa new functions their highlighted research surprisingly surprising resilience of xenobots and anthrobots which can survive beyond the life of their host organism taking together these findings demonstrate the inherent plasticity of cellular systems and challenge the idea that cells and organisms can evolve only in predetermined ways success this third state suggests that organismal death may play a significant role in how life transforms over time right right so that was like when i saw that i was like yo this is crazy and then you know the uh what's the thing you know you're very familiar with it the thing where where they they're sending the large hadron collider the hadron collider yeah they they time traveled with that they were able to get something to go a seconds back like look it up they were able to like it was only a millisecond like micro whatever that little bit they were able to somehow travel backwards uh-huh with that yeah i don't understand that yeah no but whatever that means if they can do that it's interesting because if you can do a little you can do a lot right imagine doing that a million years from now what they can do you can do a lot right imagine doing that a million years from now what they can do how do they even measure that yo i don't know what is the hadron collider time travel something like to that effect you see something there like that yeah yeah but there's a weird story that's popping up about a bird that dropped something on no it wasn't a bird what that's probably i know this is like a story that happened while they were making it what happened something like i'm trying to it says they joked about a bird that might have been a time traveler from the past that while they were making it drop something on the electricity did a time traveling bird sabotage the collider that's a little separate what is that the culprit a big of a bit of baguette okay apparently a passing bird may have dropped a chunk of bread on an electrical substation above the accelerator causing a power cut what yeah that's that that's not the no i don't know what you're talking about i have i'll get to that in a second yeah oh okay sabotage the explain the other funny with that how vulnerable is your system where a bird can drop something on no i don't know what you're talking about i have i'll get to that in a second yeah oh okay sabotage the bird that's a big of a bird that's a problem that's an issue how much time i was saying was time slowed down put a net in that yeah as a science fiction yeah yeah yeah and it was was it time dilation was that what they said they did it was um large hydron collider could be the world's first time machine there you go something because time travel is limited to these three special these special particles it's not possible for man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents okay anyway like the collider basically they were able to shave off time of traveling in a way that made it go back it went back to the past or something like that someone's asking the same question they said they distinctly remember an article mentioning this yep see see like i saw the article too so that person is yeah they probably bet maybe they buried it maybe they don't want you to know yeah because if you had a time machine you could go back rig the stock market you could do all kinds of i'd go crazy i didn't go great i'd make all kinds of records oh they all be my hits yeah let me get that yeah i'm gonna make that one you go back in time fix all your mistakes oh my god bro but my net yeah well then maybe you wouldn't be the same person no you wouldn't be you haven't watched dark matter yet right i have i love dark man i was trying to get him to watch it it's about superposition the whole idea oh i started it you know i watched the first episode the idea is fun that they were trying to create something that they could go into different realities and pull that back and you know bring it into theirs that was the whole idea with the company and this and the thing but it i don't want to ruin anything no it's incredible it's it was actually so good i'm reading the novel right now dark matter yeah yeah it's by blake crouch they'll probably do that that and fuck this world up, it's really cool. It's about the multiverse. That's the fear, is that putting that kind of technology in the hands of just some person who's smart, some guy who's smart, who figures something out, and all of a sudden he does something that could change the entire history of the human race. Well, I think it was Einstein who said, two things are infinite, time and human stupidity. Yeah. Right? So, I mean, you know, somebody's going to do something. You can almost bet on it. Yeah. Yo, can I take a leak real quick? Yeah. We can wrap this up. Okay. Listen, we did like two hours and 40 minutes. It was beautiful. It was a fun conversation, man. Yeah, man. I enjoyed it, man. Thank you. I appreciate you. You're a very wise man. You got a lot of great, great inspirational information for people. For aspiring people. Thank you, sir. Yo, man. Hey, Joe. LL Cool J, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, wow. Bye. Thank you. Alright. Peace and love, baby. NCIS New York. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually, that's a I can't believe it. That's like it's an A. I. Like poster. Yeah. Yeah. They don't find a photo shoots anymore. Yeah. Yeah. The real one. Um, the real one. Yeah. The trail is crazy. The trail is dope. And when does it start? It starts October six. Beautiful. NCIS New York tomorrow. And, uh, release for the show. And, uh, yeah. So it comes out tomorrow. Yeah. Just real quickly. Um, Scott Khan, Jennifer Beals, you know, what a feeling, you know, Jennifer Beals is our boss. Uh, some new kids. Um, Jacqueline Byers, Shane, uh, this guy, Devin drew it. And, uh, we're in New York and I'm shooting all over New York and I'm really in New York. So we're shooting in Red Hook. We're shooting in Brooklyn. We're shooting in Queens. We're shooting in Manhattan. We're shooting in the village. We're shooting all over the city. And New York is like the star of the show. And it's, um, you know, it's, it's going to be a lot of fun. And I think people should check it out and, uh, enjoy it. It's going to be dope. All right. I'm lit. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you too. Thank you, Doc. My pleasure. ♪ Music ♪ Welcome back, freaking frack. Welcome to the jungle. ABC Tonight. Abbott is back. It's going to be the best year yet. Thank you. Now we can finally turn this up. And everyone's going wild. Y'all think you run this school, but you don't. It's going great. Abbott Elementary. Anything can happen in the jungle. Right, guys? Season premiere tonight on ABC and stream next day on Hulu. Tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college. That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25% off grocery store prices. Beef jerky, microwave meals, laundry pods, even they can't screw up. Have you met my kids? And with BJ's gas, she gets there for less. They call me the road warrior. This is your home, road warrior mom. Home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJ's dot com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's. Home of the save.