#2558 - Tyler Engle

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day tyler what's up what's happening brother thank you very much for being here i love your fucking instagram you you have a rabbit hole of an instagram dude it's so good your latest one on noah's ark is really fucking interesting because i knew about the scans but i did not know about the connections to the sumerian text and how he was referred to on the king's list yeah yeah let's i send it to you jamie just to start off just because i want to really blow up your instagram because it's so good dude thanks man my pleasure i it's so many times where i'm doom scrolling i find that i'm like oh i'm learning something this is justifiable so this is um it's called base forge dot us that's tyler's uh instagram and uh this is all about these new scans and uh they dug into it today i think today or yesterday it's been and two days they think that they hit petrified wood which is really interesting this whole thing is very weird but let's let's just hit this new scans from turkey mount ararat the noah's ark location they got a new little drone out there that's using the same technology that they used to find the hawara labyrinth in egypt recently mind you both of these were not taken seriously by the mainstream i'm still skeptical but the evidence is getting a little overwhelming because the earth is not lying mount ararat is almost 17 000 feet high straddled by two of the saltiest lakes on earth and a dry one to the south how did it get there most people confuse the flood with the younger dryas event that is way too far back in history the nearby town of shirupak was buried in 50 feet of mud that mud was dated very close to the mud that is covering this structure but shirupak is very interesting that is where noah was from the ancient sumerians called noah zayasudra the last king on the sumerian kings list before the flood these guys were a megalithic culture meaning they could work really big really hard rocks their temples are so destroyed there are 10 ton stones just laying out in the middle of nowhere that got thrown off the top of a mountain but that's very important because these guys could work really big stones and right by the site of this ark are these things what are these things these are called noah zayasudra drog stones you see the hole in the top of them you fit a rope or a chain through that they're anchor stones they're found in ancient greek and roman ports what they would do is suspend them off of the boat to keep it stable in rocky water or anchored nozar didn't have a mast or anything to steer it it was the largest ship ever built and meant only to survive this one event they'd need to be that big for a ship that large and those dimensions are exceptionally close to what we see in the ground i put this site and the temples in hidden history free update explore it okay for real though how much more evidence do we need just dig the thing out well i think they are trying to at least slowly excavate that area and figure out what it is but just the story itself it seems like as written so preposterous that all of the animals on earth were put on you know two of each on a boat and then the flood came and then afterwards they repopulated the earth yeah it seems like a ridiculous simplification of something that was probably at least somewhat true like i don't think that they had all the animals on the boat because that doesn't make any sense there's not enough room you know animals eat other animals there's a lot of but it does seem like there was some probably multiple events throughout history but some sort of an event that they're documenting that that one's well documented actually the one in turkey was uh the flood yeah three thousand bc or so i think was the around that area there was multiple and that's where you see all this um like the temple of ionis uh that whole region there has flood evidence right but it's not younger dry as flood evidence you know but it's also probably not global it's not that's what that's i think an important distinction that a lot of these places make is uh they have similar stories but they probably weren't the same day you know right it could have been sequential like some some events going to happen somewhere and cause this and then another one's going to happen over here and cause this but the mediterranean air that area is very unique because it's basically surrounded by mountains right like there's this giant from iran to all the way to greece mountain range that's right so how does it have a saltwater lake that's what so so lake van is really interesting because the lake van has like a volcano volcanic um origin right there's a volcano underneath it and so there's like mineral deposits there but it's one of the saltiest lakes around you know the dead sea is really close to it as well so what about the great salt lake in utah i don't i think it's a little i think it's salty it's a soda lake so lake van is a soda it's like carbonate and then the great salt lake is like pure salt lake same as the dead sea right so those those are two different distinctions this is like this is definitely more of a randall area over than my area but right but i like i like mixing these different things in because all the all the stories are pointing to the same you know that that same origin and that's where the zayasudra thing comes in so most likely it was probably a semi-local event like contained to turkey and just their version of the world what was what was what was around them so when they were right you know what i mean like they don't know what's happening in china how could they you know they have no idea what's going on the philippines they're not there right like like your whole world is gone right if everything you see around you is is barren wasteland because you got tsunamied like right the world's over right and that's what you're going to put in there right so the question is was it a real event and if it was a real event how the hell did this noah guy know it was coming that's that's where things get real weird because if we talk even if it's just a local event even if it's a local event i mean by local i'm talking about like the continent or at least the area of turkey so even if it was a local event how the hell does this guy know to enough that he spends years constructing this boat this massive boat the biggest boat that had ever been built at the time yeah and gets all these animals on it going we're fucked in about three years i gotta get to work like let's accelerate this process wasn't there who fucking did a movie wasn't there wasn't there a movie recently no the movie wasn't it a russell crowe movie yeah yeah that's right i didn't see that i actually liked it because they they get a lot of the lore in there like the old old lore you know of the nephilim and all that stuff oh really intro to the movie i didn't see that i actually liked it because they they get a lot of the lore yeah just watch the intro to that thing if you're if you're curious they do this whole backstory on it it's really cool so many things that i used to think were nonsense the nephilim stuff yeah and now i'm like hey the giant stuff for sure giants giants for sure i am almost all in on giants i think i think we're all almost all in there yeah it just seems like there's too much there's just too many stories there's too many tales i don't know what it means like does it mean the mountain from game of thrones you know what i mean like that's a giant especially compared to me that guy's standing next to me like brian shaw do you know brian shaw's brian shaw was in the mothership the other day he's uh 400 fucking pounds he's like seven feet tall he's the biggest fucking human you you've ever seen in your life his bone structure is so dense that he is one of i think it's what i think there's like five or six people on earth that have the same density of of bone as this guy no it's it's some insane number some insane number it's like one out of 500 million people have his bone structure where does that genetic right from where where are we getting that but i'm saying is it that is it just exceptional genetics like we have today we have pygmy tribes and yet we also have the messiah right so we have these seven foot tall people and we have these three feet tall or four feet tall people so like what what are we talking about are we talking about a different species of people or are we talking about a different species of people human because now we keep finding these new species of human like the denisovans you saw the new the new yes yes they were big as fuck so like and tell people about that research if humans were okay so they found uh i think of a complete skeleton if i'm not mistaken of the deniso which was i don't think they found a complete skill it was it was the more a more complete one than they had before i think they just have pieces if i'm correct i don't think we have a full one yet but like they are definitely they were bigger than us well just the skulls alone the skulls are huge the skulls are massive it's like a brian shaw skull brian's gonna be like this episode of the joe rogan experience is presented by the farmer's dog it's real fresh food portioned just for your dog and delivered to your door it's also clinically shown to support healthy aging my dogs use it and they love it new customers get 50 off your first box at the farmer's dog.com slash rogan you get free shipping this episode is brought to you by visible as fall hits we enter another season of change time to shift gears drop the dead weight and upgrade the wardrobe for the drop in temperature but one thing that doesn't need to change your phone the smartest upgrade this season isn't a new phone it's a better wireless plan switch to visible the ultimate wireless hack you get unlimited 5g data and unlimited hotspot powered by verizon 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Visit LifeLock.com and save up to 30% your first year with promo code JRE. That's promo code JRE, or go to LifeLock.com slash JRE for 30% off. Terms apply. Oh, he's cool, man. He's cool. He likes being giant. Who wouldn't like being that fucking big, man? You're right, you're right. Okay, Dennis Sullivan's towered over their contemporaries and munched a bunch of meat. Of course. That's how you get so big. So how big do they think they were? I thought it was like seven foot something, maybe. Interesting. Right? And this is like the ones we found, right? So if you only found my body, you would say, oh, humans were under somewhere around five foot eight, five foot seven. Maybe they got to about five. Maybe they got to about five foot nine. And then you see Shaq's body and you go, oh, okay, well, this is not real. Clearly. What's going on? This is a different species. You would think, like, we only have a small amount of fossilized record, you know, of just human beings. Like, we keep finding these. Like, the Dennis Ovins, I think they just found them 10 years ago or less. Less than 10 years ago. And they keep getting older, too. That's the thing. Like, it keeps getting pushed back for Homo sapiens as well as finding new versions of them. Yes. So it says here, Neanderthal. Neanderthal men average about 168. Why are they doing it in centimeters? Why are you fucking with me? Dennis Ovins towered at 190 centimeters. What does that mean, Jamie? What's 190 centimeters? Freedom units. Here, I'll ask my phone. What is 190 centimeters in feet? 190 centimeters is 6.23 feet. Ah, I was right. Okay. Good job, brother. I said 60, but that'd be like 60. So that's pretty big for the time because people were, it was hard to get food. Yeah. Right? So it's hard to get the protein in order to get, like, people during the Civil War were, like, 130 pounds. Like, men were tiny because they were starving. And medieval people were a lot smaller. Yes, a lot smaller. So it was, and it's basically a food thing. Yeah, yeah. So, obviously, this is a very big version of a human, especially considering the time that it existed. But was that a giant? Were people all really tiny and they looked at that? Because, like, have you ever been to Italy and gone to some of the ancient structures in the castles? Not Italy, not yet. Pretty dope. Yeah. One of the things you notice is the armor's fucking tiny. Yeah. Tiny. Really? Like, tiny. Yeah. I've heard these things. It's weird. And how, like, they're, the shoes and stuff, they, like, it doesn't look like they could fit into the proportions of them. Well, they're itty-bitty people. Yeah. So, when I was there, I think it was a castle that we were at. I went to a bunch of different places. We went to Pompeii. I went to Florence. I think it was in Florence. But this armor was, like, that narrow, like, super slender, and, like, little, like, five foot five-ish, like, tiny little dudes. Because I think nobody had any food, man. I think it was hard to get the proper protein to, especially if you're a soldier, and, you know, you probably come from a poor class of people, you probably didn't have access to enough food to grow right. Unless you got a lot of those guys, and we kind of. Well, you got a lot of those guys, and also they're probably killing a lot of other people that are also similar small. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Unless they run into the Vikings. Or maybe the Egyptians. Yeah. Well, maybe the Egyptians, right? Xerxes. Yeah. In the movie. 300, right? So, he was Persian, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like, when you hear these stories, particularly the stories of the giants, and then you find out things like Denisovans, you go, okay, so we know that Denisovans existed, and when do they think they existed? What is the timeline? Oh, that article said that. Most bones, I think, are about 160,000, but radiocarbon testing on, I think, the ones that they used for this study were maybe 45,000 years old. Oh, that's crazy. Okay, so if they find. Let's just think about that. So, that's 120,000 years of discrepancy? Yeah. Right? That's nuts. That we never interacted with them, too? Right. For sure we interacted. Yeah, we definitely interacted. 100% if they're 45,000 or whatever it is. So, then you got to think, well, this is only the bones we found. Right? If you die, if I die, if Jamie dies, the odds of someone finding our bones somewhere, it's so small. It's like the fossil record of dinosaurs alone. Like, dinosaurs lived for fucking hundreds of millions of years, and what do we found? Like, a few hundred thousand of them? We don't even have, like, a full skeleton on pretty much any of those. Like, 100% full? No, I don't think we have any really. We have pretty close ones. We have some really close T-Rex ones, and some that are real close. Yeah. But the bottom line is, the amount that died versus the amount that we find is very small. So, easily, that could be the case with people. And dragons. And dragons. And dragons. And dragons. We'll get to dragons later. Enjoy, Bayhar. We're on it again, honey. Keep it rolling. I've fucking never taken Dragon Believer off my profile. I think that's awesome. He believes in dragons! Oh, my God. Why don't you? Why don't you do some research? Yeah. Something weird going on. We're all throughout history. People talk about giants, and people talk about dragons. Yep. And then, yeah, giants were apparently not real, and now we're finding those. And then, Noah's Ark apparently wasn't real. We're finding that. Yeah. And all this stuff that's just not real and that was legend is now like, oh, yeah, that's obviously right there. I think very few of those stories were fiction. And I think this is evident when they find things like Troy. Mm-hmm. You know, which Troy was thought to be a fairy tale. Yeah. It was thought to be fiction forever. And then they're like, oh. We actually found the city. Huh. Yeah. Huh. Wow. No way. And also, like, back then, it was so fucking difficult to write a book. You had to write it by hand. You had to know how to write. Yeah. Or read. Or read. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody knew how to read or write. Yeah. And then you got to imagine, like, how many people are writing fiction? Who the fuck is reading it? Yeah. And more likely, when you're around back then, it's important to write a detailed history of what has happened so that you're. Your future generations will have. They won't have to learn from scratch. Yeah. You want accurate accuracy there. Yeah. But that's another thing that throws a monkey wrench in the whole Egypt thing, too, is, like, hieroglyphs appear fully formed and sophisticated. Right. It's not like there was a. You can see the evolution of that. You start at, like, Old Kingdom, and it is flawless. It's like engineering language right there. And so, where's the. Right. How? How? Where does it start from? So, it's a group of five dudes over here. Like, okay, we're going to make the cartouche, and we're going to do this, and the symbol means this. No, it just shows up. Well, the idea that we have a complete understanding of the past is just, we should start from there, because that's foolish. Yeah. And one of the things that you detail so well is some of these temples and the sound that resonates out of these temples, and some of them that are just carved right into a mountain with incredible precision, and we don't understand how. We don't really know when. It's just kind of guesswork when. Yeah. And we have no idea. We have no idea what equipment they used, because it's not possible they did that with other rocks. No. So, what did they do? So, I made a Kailasa temple video a couple weeks ago, and that's the one that's in India carved straight out of the mountain, right? Out of volcanic rock. The salt, yeah. That is insanely hard. I got so much blowback that that was soapstone, or that was this stone, and there's a YouTube channel called Proto Civilization. They did this experiment where this dude took a pickaxe, hardened steel pickaxe, and they measured how hard it was to carve. They measured how much volume they could remove from the mountain behind Kailasa, not near the temple. They removed an area about this big, maybe that deep. They had the scans for it. So, you made like six inches and like a half inch deep. Maybe a half inch deep. And how long did they work at it? Four hours. And these dudes were huge. These dudes were gassed out, and it was only a six inch little thing, and they were doing the calculations like, there's no way that the population, even working nonstop, is going to do that. And then they tried to destroy that temple, and you couldn't destroy the temple with the tools they had, so how did they make it? Didn't they have guys trying to destroy the temple? What was the timeline that they were trying to destroy the temple? Oh, dude, they did. It was like a hundred guys for like two years. Yeah, years. And they barely scratched it. And that's what we still have left. Two years, a hundred dudes, nonstop. And they couldn't get anything done. It's really kind of funny. Yeah. Because it begs the question, what was the technology? And we need to really overcome. Open our minds to the possibility that there was a civilization that had achieved some sort of a technological sophistication that we don't understand. We don't know what the technology was. We don't know why they had it, what they did with it, but there was something going on. And I think Kylossa is one of the best pieces of evidence that's like, you know, remember the Arsenio Hall show? 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So head to your local CVS and try one for yourself or go to ketone.com slash Rogan for 30% off your subscription order. Well, the devil's in the process of being finished. It's not finished at all. There's satellite temples that are being worked basically from the ground up and you can see the construction process. It gets a little more detailed at the top. And then at the bottom, you can see the scraping tool marks. There's scrapes and scoops, right? But the scrapes, the penetration depth of the scrape is, is greater than a jackhammer that we have. So a jackhammer, a hydraulic one that goes through the rock and, you know, takes it out of the rock wall does not penetrate as deeply as the marks that are still in Kailasa. So it's something was, and the narrow, it's like you can, you have to go sideways through it. And then you have to go sideways through it. And the marks are there. So they were doing it somehow like in a narrow, narrow corridor with no narrow as a human body or more narrow. It's it, it goes through it. Yeah. It goes to a V. So you start, it starts wide, but you see the tool marks going all the way through it. So do you think that they started wide and then that's how they V'd it out and then eventually got a parallel? Yeah. I think, I think they, they were probably using a mixture of what we do today with, with it. But I think their tool that they were doing made it so much easier that the, the way that they could just go in there like that looks like it was no problem. It looks like we were just, you know, that's so insane to think about. And we are just so egocentric in our position that we are the most sophisticated culture that's ever existed on earth. And I think there's a lot of evidence that that's not true. And the best evidence is the stone stone work. To me, that's what got me into all of this is like, you know, obviously Graham stuff and a bunch of like this community is there's a bunch of things that kind of shake your worldview up. But when I started looking into this, they were building the grand Egyptian museum and they had to move the statue of Ramsey's, you know, which one I'm talking about. Yeah. Giant one. Yeah. So if you go to that museum, like the pictures don't do it justice. You're standing and you're looking at his shin and there's like a pool around it, you know, almost fell into the pool, but you look at it, it's kind of hard to see, but yeah, you're staring at his shin and you look up and you're like, okay. And the cartoon, yeah, that's the one. So you, you barely come up to his shin, and you know, Ramsey's put his, his thing on everything, but like, it's funny that you look at his face and his face, that, that Egyptian face is a very generic face. It doesn't look like Ramsey's. If you look at Ramsey's as his mummy, it does not look like Ramsey's. So he did this a lot though. He put his cartouche on literally everything in Egypt, but it's funny because when they moved this, they had to use a enormous truck with huge steel beams to solidify it. Yeah, that's the one. Look at this thing. It's like, okay. Holy shit. Yeah. So, so how many tons is this thing? Oh dude, it's crazy. I think it's in 200. It's in, it's out of granite. Wow. It's a big boy. 400 tons. What's that, Jimmy? It said 83 tons. 83 tons. So, but you have to assume that, that the block that they had to get out of the quarry was at least 200 to, to get, you know, to remove the material around it and stuff. So, but what I'm, what the point is there had to be a special road, a special trailer, a big truck and all the stuff to move this thing. And that's us now, now do that in a sand, no sand or no roads with just sand putting water on the sand and rolling it on logs from Lebanon that are really not that compressively strong. So like all of it to my engineering brain was just, was absurd. And so I keep having these And like the LACMA stone, the 300-ton boulder they put at the museum, you know, the process they went through on a perfectly flat. I think Jimmy Corsetti was the one that brought that one up. And, like, just having those examples is very eye-opening to the how – what tool, what equipment, what – you know, it melts my brain, dude. And I went to school for this, and I had to, you know, do a lot of these calculations. I worked in construction. I worked in building restoration. I've had to do all of these things. And you can't move, like, a boom lift on certain roads because it will cave the road in. And those things don't weigh as much as a Ramsey statue. It's just so weird how these conventional archaeologists will dismiss any ideas that are outside of this linear timeline theory. And, oh, they were just really smart back then. They figured it out with copper tools and sand and this and that. It doesn't even make sense. None of it makes sense. They say they're really smart, but they also don't. They don't believe the mythology or the king's list or anything like that. It's a simultaneous, oh, they were super smart, but this stuff was imaginary. You know? The stuff they put on the walls wasn't real. But how they built it was real. It gets to a certain point where they can't explain it away, and then they go into imagination. Instead of saying, hey, maybe we don't have a full picture of this. Like, look, what we can do today is so preposterous that it looks like magic to anybody that lived 200 years ago. We all know that. Like, just – I drove here in a Tesla. It goes zero to 60 in under two seconds. It's crazy. It's crazy. If I press a button, it drives me home. What? Imagine that, explaining that to someone 200 years ago. I left the club last night, and I was on the phone with a buddy of mine, and I just pressed doot-doot, and it just takes me home. I don't even have to pay attention. You have a global communication device in your pocket. Right. It can access all the world's information. And I'm on the phone with a guy who lives in Connecticut, and we're talking. I mean, the whole thing's crazy, and this is normal. Wipe the earth's memory, and then you're the only one that has a memory of this. Try and explain that to somebody that doesn't. They'd be like, no. Imagine if you could find this technology 200 years from now after a nuclear war, and after people had been, like, using sticks and stones and fucking animal skins for clothes, and then someone stumbles upon some bunker somewhere, and inside there's intact computers and cell phones and satellite dishes. You'd be like, what the fuck is this stuff? This is magic. And then people would try. For hundreds of years, try to back-engineer it and explain it. You know? Like, what? Okay, that's a perfect segue, though. Because you could have an instruction manual with those things, right? I could make an instruction manual. This is how you use this cell phone. Right. Memory is wiped. Cataclysm or whatever happens. No one's going to be able to read English. Not only that, what if it's someone like me who finds that thing? And I'm like, what? Huh? Huh? Cell phone? Then you start worshipping it. Signal? What's a signal? It's in the air? Can you catch it with a net? Yeah. It's preposterous. But there's, okay. The way I look at it, though, is the language that you have to read is the geometry. And that's why the tech comparisons are so powerful is because the geometry is guiding and routing signals. And it's doing something. It's performing a function in your phone or your TV or whatever. And on a macro scale, that's exactly what they were doing, too. You know, they were routing human behavior through temples. They were routing all this, you know, organization. Societal organization and structure for these components. So at a base level, they're doing the same thing, except you're kind of like the data packet. You're the technology instead of the cell phone. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's like whatever is going on with the pyramids in terms of like what the actual function of the pyramids was. You know, obviously the conventional position is that those were tombs. But, you know, this Filippo Biondi stuff. Bondi or Biondi? Biondi. It's Biondi. Am I saying his name wrong? He was a very interesting guy and very humble and, you know, didn't seem like he was using hyperbole when he was describing these things. And he was talking about how many times they've done these scans. Yeah. And people would just want to dismiss that data. And, in fact, they retracted his paper. What? Yeah. Yeah. There's like a big controversy. We find the controversy on that. He just did the scan of the Titanic and nailed it. Uh-huh. Not only that. He's also done scans of existing structures in Egypt that they know that they've already mapped out. A side shaft. Exactly. And he got all the dimensions correct. So it's not like this stuff doesn't work. And so if you've done repeated scans of this area, instead of dismissing it, I just don't understand why they're not all gathering around and wanting to have conversations with him and going to look at that stuff. It doesn't make sense from a business perspective either because if you discover this stuff, that's like an unlimited source of tourism. - A hundred percent. - Which, I don't know. Have you been to Egypt? No. When you go there, you're going to walk on the plateau and you're going to be like, if I had a team of 100 dudes, I could clear this thing in a couple months. Like the work is not the problem. That's really not it. It's the bottleneck of the bureaucracy. It is absolutely. Yeah, bureaucracy. Yeah. Because it's the people that run it. You go there and like there's vantage points of like that famous picture of the pyramids with all three of them and the camel walking by. That's like a vantage point where you can go and look at everything. You can see it with your eyes without looking at the satellite. There's something under here. And then there's gateways into it everywhere, all over the place. There's gated off doorways into the underground. That's like right up the causeway. Ben's done a great job showing that. So it's I think it's the I don't want to say it's a fear, but like it's ego. It's yeah. It's human ego. It's the fact they've been they've been saying a certain thing. They have been laying out a certain narrative for a long time. And these guys, they teach this. This their reputation is based on it. And one of the things that experts love to be is the gatekeeper of information. Yeah. You know, if you try to talk to a gatekeeper, you try to talk to an expert about something that you don't understand. Almost always you're met with dismissal. No, no, no. You don't understand. Let me explain. The King's List is all fiction. You don't know. No, no, no. These were tombs. We know there are tombs. Let it go. Like, bitch, you don't know shit. You're just another human who's been looking at this thing. And by the way, this whole fucking. This whole just academia, academia, period, is recent. Well, Eric Weinstein has done a great job in showing how, like, how gatekept that is. And I think there's a movement now where it's like, OK, well, you can say this, but we're going to show you the opposite. We're going to show you that it's there's proof. There's overcuts in granite. There's all this weird stuff that we can't do today. The cultures say different stuff than the history books say. Like, there's a disconnect. The drill holes. The drill holes. Yes. The disconnect is insane at this point. I was I when I got into it, there was like a small hill of conspiracies when this was, you know, first coming. What year did you get into this? Probably like 12 years ago. Do you remember what got you? It was one Graham's book because I was. Fingerprints of the Gods. Yep. I did. I did high rise window cleaning before this. Oh, my God. Yeah. I've always said that's fucking. Scariest job ever. I was terrified. And I was like, before I did it, I was I kind of had a fear of heights, but I had to, like, really get rid of that quick. How did you get that job? I kind of fell in my lap. Honestly, I had a window cleaning business. My dad had done it for years before. So we clean like fast food restaurants and stuff. Make great money in high school. And then there's there's huge money in in high rise window cleaning. You know, these buildings to do it. No one wants to do it. The insurance is crazy. Like, you have to have huge upfront cash to rent this equipment. Like, it's a wild business. But so much time. I would just put my headphones in. I would listen to books. And so I was hanging off the buildings, listening to Graham and everybody. And like, I would want to hear creaks and things. Yeah, I would want to hear something starts giving out. I would want to be like razor sharp. I'd want to have suction cups on my hands. It was one in one out. It wasn't I wasn't noise canceling that one. But yeah. So that's how you got into it. Yeah, kind of. And then like Magical Egypt. There's a show. Oh, yeah. John Anthony West. I had him on a couple of times. I love his work. He was amazing. So the people I really resonated with the the engineering type of mindset. I went to college for computer engineering. And so when they when you explain it in that way, my brain just got a little tickled because I didn't really think there was anything going on in ancient history at all until I started looking into that. And then what really kicked it off was like the Lebanon ball back area. That stuff just smashed me in the face. Right. That stuff is insane. So the size of those stones. Yeah, beyond it's beyond comprehension and the whole the whole base of it. It's not just the trilith on the whole base of it is stones that are upwards of 400 times and there's no record of it. That's what's really weird because the Romans kept meticulous records of the construction and they have records of the construction of these buildings. They do not have a record of the construction of the base. Like whatever that was was probably ancient and probably there a long time before they ever started building on it. I think it's Phoenician. Honestly, Phoenician. Phoenician. Yeah. Phoenician Canaanites. So what year are we talking that? I what I think Balbeck is pre-flood. I'm pretty convinced that it's pre-flood. The least pre-flood younger dry as flood or pre at least at least the base of it because you can see there's like a there's an outer wall and they're huge stones and then there's the inner temple wall. Right. There's a discoloration between the two. They're like one is clearly older than the other at least in repairs. You can see clear layers of repair. Right. But the the Canaanite the Phoenician Canaanites were. They helped build the temple Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem and in the underground of that temple is a stone that's damn near just as big as the trilith on stones. It's just not open to the public. You don't see it a lot. You have other photos online. Yeah. I think it's a Western wall. Jamie it's I don't know the estimates of it because I don't know how deep it is but it looks enormous. And so they would help the Egyptians build too. So they were kind of like a contractor essentially. They were really good at sailing. Now. Yeah. They were good at navigation and they could move really big fucking rocks. And so that's the legends are linked kind of by the Templar tradition. If you know any of that back story. Not really. You know Timothy Hogan the Knights Templar master. I've heard of it but I don't know much about the history of it. So so they they kind of are the the bridge informationally between where all of this is coming from because they were the first ones to excavate in Jerusalem off the record. You know they were the Templars were supposed to guard. Pilgrims when they were you know going to the sacred sites but that was like their front and then the back was where we're excavating in Egypt and Jerusalem and you see their graffiti everywhere there's temple graffiti on Philae Temple in Egypt and a whole bunch of places in that the Noah's Ark stones the anchor stones those are temple crosses those aren't Christian crosses so deals it's the the angled the angled cross you know where the bees and they go in that's the Templar cross so their graffiti is kind of everywhere. That's where they would leave would leave their mark saying that that's you know one to communicate to other Templars that this was a site that they've been to but also saying that there's something here that's important. Jamie did you find that Western Wallstone. I'm not sure exactly which one I'm supposed to be on the screen. I don't know which one. I don't know if that's it. No. You want to say Western Wall. No Jerusalem. Western Wall. Well. Ballback is the. That's like the I don't think that's what you're looking for either. That's why I didn't look for that. Keep scrolling down there. That's the prayer wall. Maybe if you write huge stone. Yeah. Just say a megalith Western Wall megalith. Yeah. That's one. Okay. Whoa. Yeah. So yeah. We'll ask Wikipedia page for it. It's not like a shit. It's not a secret or anything. But the holy shit. Yeah. That's the foundation of Solomon's Temple. Holy shit. Look at the size of that. Oh my God. That's insane. Yeah. And they have more than that one. 11.5 feet tall. 41 feet long. And what is it made of? I don't know that one. I want to say it's limes. It looks like limestone. But 500 tons. Yep. Holy shit. I think Brian Forrester's picture. That was pretty good too. Oh my God. It's ridiculous, right? That's just the exposed face is 44.5 feet long. Yeah. The largest building block. One of the largest building blocks in the world. Whoa. Pretty loud, right? So prior estimates ranged up to 16.5 meters. 550 is 600 tons. Wow. So that range is the entire bottom of Baalbek. So what the connection there is, there's two. One. One is the builders from the Phoenician builders is the, the, there's like a guild that did this huge work. They leave traces in the stone though. And they're, they're called microspherals and it's a, it's an, it's a reaction. Low energy nuclear reaction leaves these. So like if you have a meteorite impact or the plasma, new plasma physics, like the, the plasmoid science that's coming out now, that stuff leaves these in the stone. So there's traces of plasma. It's a reaction in Baalbek, in, uh, Jerusalem, in, uh, Iran and some at Sacsayhuaman. AG1 has been a long time partner of the show. They've been focused on putting care and research into their stuff, especially their next gen formula. It covers a lot of what your body needs to perform at a high level. 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Sorry, my bad. Yep. All right. And this time it's not what's in the sand, it's what's in the rock. Exotic metals from the cutting tool have been found lodged inside the rock. And they're typically only found in asteroids and meteorites. They've also been found in megalithic sites all over the world. Back in February, I was in the largest and crispiest temple in all of Egypt. Crispy. Crispy. I had watched this video by Versadoko and it was saying how these are unexplainable cut marks because the cuts are microscopically small. There is no reasonable explanation for a cut that sharp even today without lasers. This research team got a sample and they were looking for exotic metals that the Egyptians did not have, which they found, but they also found these. Let me explain what these lines are. When we cut granite today, we use giant saws. These saws leave a circular tool mark like the stone my dog Harvey is guarding. What was found in the Karnak stones were perfectly straight lines, which means in layman's terms that- something was cutting it more like butter than like a circular saw. Anytime you cut anything, it leaves a mark. Inside those marks are microscopic cracks where pieces of the tool can embed itself. But that typically only happens with high-speed rotation. So they got their hands on another sample from Dashore. This one has a sloping cut, which is insanely difficult to manufacture. In this one, they found three elements that are typically only used in the cooling circuits of nuclear reactors. When they compared this ancient cut to a modern cut of the same material, the only difference was the aged appearance. Now, the material they found the most of was copper. It was an alloy that the Egyptians could not have produced enough heat to make. Best guess was that they used chemical salts to intensify a natural reaction to create more heat. To create the metal, they would need microscopic precision in the mixture. That is something that we do for electronic circuits. Atomic level imperfections are introduced in silicon to produce transistors. But just by doing that, a simple rock gets a lot better. But we haven't even got to the wildest part. Microspherules were also found in the samples. These only come from cosmic impacts, volcanoes, lightning strikes, geological processes, and human industrial processes. It happens when something gets really hot and cools really fast. These were found in Dashore, in Baalbek, in Iran, and pretty much everywhere that has megalithic architecture. Well, how do we rule out geology? Baalbek. A typical meteorite. Meteorites have about one per square meter. Baalbek had three per centimeter. One thing that can do this is something called cavitation. If you symmetrically compress a water bubble, it'll release energy. It's the main reason that propellers on boats get worn out so fast. Here you can see what happens in this gear. You can see it happening in this gear, but there's another way to do it. If you hit aluminum foil with ultrasonic frequencies, it creates these holes. With the right frequency, silver is a byproduct. Now, there has been demonstrations of vibrating a rock and then putting a tube drill with weight on top of it, and it will actually drill the hole itself. Now, with water involved, there could be a cavitation effect going on there, but this has not been studied. What is for sure is there is some atomic alchemy going on. This is on page 67 of Cryptex, if you'd like to further explore that concept. There are two huge issues with the normal explanation. One, it does not make sense. Two, it does not fund the haircut that I desperately need. A lot of haircut ending made it. Well, the whole thing about the cutting of these things is we're trying to rationalize or we're trying to explain it away using what we use today. There's a very real possibility that technology was super advanced but in a different direction that we haven't pursued. If you think about the directions that we pursued with internal combustion engines, electronics, electricity, all the different things that we use as technology today, that's just the way we went with the ingenuity that human beings possess. It doesn't mean that these people had to go that way, and it seems like they probably went a different way, and we don't really know what that way is. I think it's an easier way than we're doing it, though. There's a lot of that science that I was just talking about there is a lot cheaper to run these experiments. Are you familiar with John Hutchison? No. So back in the '80s, he made this lab that he called the submarine, and it was just this amalgamation of Tesla coils and frequency generators, and he was monitoring earth frequencies and cosmic stuff, and he was able to get objects to levitate. He could basically gelify metal and embed metals within other metals, and he was just messing around with some frequencies. Eventually, his work got classified and he was kind of. I think the Canadian government confiscated it, and so it was shoved under the rug. But his samples survived, and so the samples that he had got acquired by a guy named Bob Grineer, and he's been doing analysis on these things, and he found the same microspherials that are in the ancient stones, the unexplainable ones, in John Hutchison's samples. So there's a link here between this plasma physics, this low-energy plasma physics, and the ancient stuff. And the way we're going is very high-energy physics, like the Large Hadron Collider, like CERN. That stuff is enormously energy-consuming. The experiments they do there have to shut power grids off, right? This stuff you can run in a room. It's just basically, it's manipulating plasma through matter in a symmetrical, geometric way, and it produces these really weird results. And there's a lot of. And the best thing about this is that it's very, very, very high-energy. And the best way to describe it is transmutation, like old-school alchemy. So here's a question. What were they using to make this happen? This is the. So Bob explains it really well, but I think, and I'm not 100% on this, but there was a tool that we are mistaking for an artifact, if that makes sense. There was a tool that does not look like a tool. And I think what they were doing is. The scoop mark tool, like the one that you see in Egypt and everywhere else, it looks like something that you would. It might be so simple, is what I'm saying, that we don't recognize it as a tool. So within their system of doing things, whether it was generating power or frequencies that were able to be passed through the human body, because this plasma physics, like all this new stuff, the plasma can go through your body and not harm you. There's safe ways to do it. And if you can transmit it to an object. And this is where the ancient cone stuff gets really, really interesting. Cone stuff? Yeah. So like the pine cone from the Sumerian stuff, where the guy's given a pine cone out. There's these things called votive cones. Have you ever heard of those? No. Jamie, look up V-O-T-I-V cones. They would put these cones. They put a cuneiform inscription on these cones, and they would embed them in the temple walls. It was basically like a cornerstone or like a consecration of the temple. And what they were. They don't look like they would be significant in any way to the construction process, but we see these cones all over the place. That's it. Yeah. So basically they're. Yeah. Type of foundational deposit for important buildings. Yeah. Historical memory of the ruler and his achievements. But I don't. I think this is another misinterpretation of what these were. Yeah. This is the Met Museum's official stance on it. Yeah. Yeah, of course. So what do you think this is? So I think this was a way of focusing this type of energy. So the same rock would have to- That little thing is? Yeah. How big is that thing? That's like handheld. You could. So you think that stone with those writings on was how they focused energy? So the way that this stuff works is they basically embed themselves in the stone. These little plasma objects are called plasmoids. They basically embed themselves- That's so cool looking. Right? Look at that writing, man. So bizarre. You know cuneiform too is. Or Sumerian is a- is a language isolate there's no it just appears there's there's no precursor cuneiform is like english like it's a it's a style of writing but sumerian no precursor just here yeah and so they have these they have these things and if you look at the the megalithic work from the sumerians like the temple of ionis or kefkalesi that stuff is the most precise stuff it's more precise than anything i've ever seen um it's a-y-a-n-a-n-i-s which one is it a-y-a-n-i-s it's in turkey or anatolia yeah seal the seal the geometry there that um basalt whoa so the gray the gray one uh i think it's like andesite or something the one above no no if you zoom out jamie it says the fortress of ionis turkey that one yeah those are very hard basalt i believe and uh they are completely buried it's it's like the the vast majority of this temple is is utterly unrecognizable but they have the same polygonal masonry same signature of of uh you know everything we see around the ancient world but um yeah matt lacroix is actually doing some great boots on the ground work with this he's got the i think the only detail of of him walking around this place so click that um no go back one more that one uritarian say honest you're down or one more there you go that one so you can clearly see that the uh like the style you know is exceptionally ancient and then you've got the same thing you see in peru where the newer stuff the mud brick is on top of it and you know clear signature of of this was exceptionally old and so these cones this is the question what what are they doing how are they getting a stone cone to project energy like what is the process or what do they believe what's the theory from my understanding it's a resonance with the plasma itself so it embeds itself in the rock when it goes to this process and the sun can do this the like natural processes can do this and they do it all the time they there's a uh the the phenomenon is a rock that rings so it creates these little voids in the stone the plasma goes through the stone and it eats away at the grain boundaries and it creates these little voids in the stone and when you tap on the stone and this is all over egypt all the obelisk ring most of the central altars will ring and it is still it's the process isn't 100 worked out yet we're still trying to figure it out but what i from what i understand is the the cones are a sharp object even your finger can do it like it's uh basically a sharp point is where charge accumulates right that's the thing that's the thing that's the thing that's the thing that's why that we have uh lightning rods on top of houses that is essentially a tool and if you have two of them you can kind of guide and position this and and work the the field that it's in it's it's creates this thing called a monopole and it's you know magnets have two poles like a north south a monopole has one pole and it's all it's a theoretical particle but it has one pole and it's embedded in into this rock right but it bends the field around it it bends the magnetic field of the earth around it so if the cone or the tool that you're using resonates with that cavity of the stone then it can essentially move it around like a right but where are they getting this energy from and how are they getting it into the rock so that's that's what we're that's kind of my process what i'm trying to figure out with the whole temple network of things because when you connect the basic idea of it is connecting the ground to the ionosphere and if you connect the ground to the ionosphere and if you connect the you create a bridge through geometry or temple then you have a connection between those two and then the hardware of that temple kind of routes that that signal and then the signal can then be essentially broadcast out to other nodes in the network and that's where you're getting your uh it's like a wi-fi like a router and so the process of making them though is you have to essentially pass this energy through the rock you have to pass this plasma through the rock and it it reconfigures the the structure of it internally and one of those signatures is the ringing rocks that's why i made that the video how the fuck could they figure that out that the divergent science that's what you're saying is they went down that path and it's honestly it to me it's easier to understand than our side the way we're doing things i think we're kind of beaten we hit a dead end at some point we're kind of beating it over the head not like we're not making progress but this stuff seems to be the right way to do it and it like they everywhere knew it they could reconfigure this stuff and that it would explain a lot of things like i'm not a huge fan of the geopolymer theory of you know they pour these rocks because there's just too much evidence that they they were fit together like that but it would explain it because that gelification like i was saying with john hutchinson's work with metals it does this to pretty much anything it can do it to to to rock to whatever you pass this thing through it's it's almost like an intelligent system i'm i'm probably butchering a lot of this but like the science is this is the newest frontier of of that research and so how long do you think a civilization would have to exist before they went down this alternative route of technology where they could figure that out this is where it gets probably have you heard of the ringing rocks in pennsylvania yeah i have not there's a park where there's a fucking tons and tons of these rocks that people go and hit with hammers and they ring like bells what that and no one knows how what i'm looking right now no one knows how they got there or how they were formed one website said wedgecraft made them which is obviously not real but the native americans used them they would bring them to to some of their sites sacred sites well what is that rock made out of does it does that ringing rocks period of a thousand years these boulders were formed erosion activation of water a rare geological experience awaits visitors when struck lightly with a hammer each boulder gives off a bell-like tone size and shape of the boulder affects the tone if removed from the site the boulders were no longer possessed this unique quality that's probably so you don't steal them but yeah but maybe not i mean that's maybe i don't know how you stumble across that how would that be possible in ancient times how would it be possible if you remove the boulders and like put it in your backyard you couldn't get it to ring i've just made a video on the ringing rock phenomenon yeah they gotta be each other or something that's very strange because it's weird that's weird but it's not as weird as this idea that you're you're suggesting because it's like when you know we have to think how long did it take us to get to the point where we have cell phones how long did it take them to the point where they were able to use geometric patterns to connect the ionosphere with temples and generate plasma power with stones what yeah like what are we talking about we how long do you think these civilizations existed i don't i i'm i'm not sure that it's like a a the way we're looking at it i don't think it's it that fits like the let's take the dynastic egyptians for example okay i don't think they came up with that i think there's two classes like the osirian the osiris shaft and great pyramid those are classified in my opinion as hardware and infrastructure whereas the temples like luxor karnak and the osiris karnak are classified as hardware and infrastructure and the the ones that you would traditionally think of as egyptian those are the software layer the operating system of how to use this stuff right so you have two separate things and then you have in the middle you have the wetware that's a human so the wetware can be programmed essentially using the infrastructure and the instructions so that to me doesn't seem to this whole system does not seem to be invented by the dynastic culture it seems to have been interpreted by them but it's not it's not the dynastic culture it's not the dynastic culture it's not the dynastic maybe through a representative of the prior culture that's like the the kind of the gram idea of you know maybe there were survivors they knew how to work it they came they told these guys how to work it and then they got a little cocky with it and when we say the original culture like you are you talking about like the king's list yeah you're talking about like these people that supposedly lived for thousands and thousands of years yeah i i don't think they were um i mean especially with mummification stuff i don't i think they knew how to like re-inhabit reincarnate intentionally into another body essentially you know so they could continue that where do you get this from what do you mean where'd you get this idea from i mean the mummification idea is as how they passed on knowledge that's that's like egyptian lore that's that's their that's how they did it the so so horus is this is the sun god on earth right he the the the wisdom of horus gets transmitted to every successive pharaoh so you would go through the training through the the temple complexes and you go up the nile and you would learn what you need to learn at each temple each temple has a theme exactly like every single one of them is trying to teach a life lesson philosophical lesson history lesson and so you you would take that initiatic path and then at the end of that path you would be anointed as the sun god on earth right but that was a process that you had to basically tune your your brain receiver to to handle right so it's like I can't go to the gym and immediately hop on and bench 405 right i have to spend years and years training and working up to it but once i hit that 405 i'm crowned the champion if i if that's my you know personal best or if i'm at a competition right their crowning of the champion would would be downloading the previous memories of the the prior pharaoh it was a transfer of of consciousness essentially i was i was have you seen the show altered carbon on netflix yes like they had the sleeves yeah i watched the first couple episodes this episode is brought to you by blue chew man let's talk about blue chew they're already the number one brand for better sex but what they're doing with blue chew gold is completely next level gold is a four-in-one formula designed to make your bedroom noisy again obviously it gets you hard like you're back in your 20s and everything is handled 100 percent online but gold boosts your arousal getting you ready for sex physically and mentally plus it dissolves under your tongue for faster absorption so you get that spontaneous energy back look at the stats gold is three times stronger five times faster and eight times longer lasting than old school methods blue chew gold is the real deal right now buy two months of blue chew gold and get the third free with my code rogan you'll also receive free overnight shipping head over to blue chew dot com for details and important safety information check it out this ad and the products being advertised are intended for a united states audience i think that was a similar process to what they were doing but they did it without like a technological barrier okay so the idea this is like similar to the idea of the dalai lama like the dalai lama each person is like a reincarnated version of the dalai lama they have to go out and find who it is So the idea is that these people didn't live that long. It's not like they lived for tens of thousands of years, but the essence of who they were was transported into another vehicle, another body. Yeah. But why do you come up with this idea? Because I think it was a developmental process. One, I think we would maybe see some evidence of it. And I think that it's kind of right in front of our face. The mummification phenomenon is just weird in general. It's just an outlier in terms of history of a process that we don't really understand. And I think what that was was a – I call it a quantum anchor in my terminology. And what I mean by that is like it's a bookmark that can access a certain amount of memory from another person, right? So what the Egyptians did. What they would do is – have you seen like the full casket of a mummy? It's layered. There's huge – there's like the outer stone layer and there's a wood layer and then they just keep getting like – it's like a Russian doll. It's a Russian doll. They're selective with their materials though. The selection of materials is, in my opinion, what they would do to like keep that frequency in that particular mummy. They would hold on to that frequency. And then whenever a new pharaoh would come in, they would basically have a ceremony. It probably involves psychedelics of some sort and download that previous pharaoh's memories and knowledge and wisdom and all that stuff. And so they could continue the reign based off of inherited wisdom instead of me talking to you about the lessons that I learned in my life. You directly experience them through a altered state of consciousness. You know about Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance? Love it. Weird stuff, right? Love it. And it's also weird that – There seems to be some evidence that points to the fact that it exists in nature. Like if you teach rats how to navigate a maze on the east coast, the rats on the west coast navigate it quicker. Yeah. Like it's measurable. Yeah. Like they figure it out quicker. Yeah. And that you could pass this information on to generations. Like there was that study that there was a young man who – I think it was a lavender smell or something. And he – well, there's one that he did – there was one that they did with caterpillars where they figured out that caterpillars can contain memories. Oh, because they dissolve themselves and they become the butterfly and they still remember this stuff. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And so there's some weird stuff with memory and with genetics. And that memory is somehow or another like memories of puzzles and different things that they've tried to get people to do – animals to do. And also different reactions that they have to stimuli, whether it's negative or positive, like getting shocked if they smell a certain thing. And then future generations are – they avoid that thing. Yeah. It seems that we don't totally understand what memory is. And we probably have a very crude idea of how to contain it and how long it lasts and like what it actually is. It might be information that just exists in something. It might be information that just exists in some other state that may be a very sophisticated civilization has figured out how to quantify that and how to capture it and how to transmit it and how to use it. Yeah. That's basically the idea. And I think that's what they're saying directly in the Egyptian text. I honestly do believe that because they get hyper-detailed on how to navigate this realm. And it seems very similar to like the stuff you see at the DMT research where you encounter an entity or you have this – You have this shared experience of something that you can't really explain. Maybe they were explaining that. Maybe that's what they're – they were mapping that like we're kind of mapping it now. But they – the way they did it was to – if you go into the temples, they restrict your sensory input. That's kind of the point of the temple is you start in this big outside courtyard and you narrow into the final – the naus of the temple, the main big old box of it. And when you get in there, the environment is extremely acoustic. They would obviously have like incense and stuff going to. So you have this like – you have this tuned state that you're in, right? And then the deity itself in each temple, in Egypt, Rome and the Hindu culture, all of their temples were the literal bodies of the deities. It wasn't a – we associate them with churches. And churches are not the same as cathedrals and cathedrals are not the same as temples. Like these are – they're all technically a temple. If you want to put them under that umbrella. But the function of each one, wildly different, right? So the Egyptian version was to align your consciousness with this sort of energy, frequency. And in physics, there's a concept called spontaneous synchronization where if you have a metronome and it's on a moving base, it will sync up with other metronomes on that moving base. And what it is is frequency in training pretty much. It's the dominant frequency subtly aligns the – It's the dominant frequency subtly aligns the other frequencies until they match up. And in my opinion, that's what they were doing with the brain and they were essentially building that receiver of their brain through this ritual process to receive that deity's consciousness. And that is the temple side of things. That's not what like the Osirian is doing. The Osirian is not one of those things. It's a very huge, large infrastructure project that looks like it was meant to withstand a whole bunch of stuff. The temple is something that's meant – It looks more like a programming interface where you would go in and you would learn this stuff like a university but basically like Neo downloading the kung fu. So how long would a civilization have to exist before they figured something like this out? This is where all of everything kind of converges because if we have evidence of – I don't want to say it's ancient aliens but a civilization that appears to be – This is where all of everything kind of converges because if we have evidence of – Right. a lot. like the the people that they were encountering because of this phenomenon of them breeding with the the local populations and then that's where you probably get your explosion of civilizations at this same exact time in history where we get agriculture and all this this rule of law and like how to build these crazy things they all pop up at the same time so those are those are pointing in that direction in my opinion and then once they got a stable civilization to to kind of hold on to they could slowly build it back up and and keep this process going but then you have something like that mesopotamia flood that was intermediate between the younger dryas and now where you have these periodic like we almost made it and then the information gets gets thrown back again so it's just been this like cat and mouse game of we almost got it and no something happens right so there's probably a period of peace in terms of like natural disasters and you know cataclysmic wars and whatever it was a period of peace where there was enough time where they could innovate and get to this insane level of sophistication yeah and the evidence that we have is probably these megalithic structures yes and that's that to me is the they knew where the infrastructure was because even the uh like like anchor watt has megalithic infrastructure there's there's a bunch of places that you can't really tell it's megalithic because they would build on top of these temples right and the infrastructure part like like teotihuacan chichen itza those the that stuff is the best example i use because they're also nesting dolls of pyramids right so the inner core of the of the the pyramids seems to be that someone knew where that thing was and they were like look you got to build it like this and get it aligned properly and then it'll work again and then they just kept on doing that and then it just builds up and then by the time you look at like karnak has megalithic stuff in it it's the biggest temple in egypt but around it it looks there's there's greco-roman stuff there's like modern repairs it's so hard to tell what is the most ancient stuff but you could when you encounter it in egypt you physically feel that it's the ancient stuff there's there's like a there's a vibe to it you can you can see it so well this has been detailed too when people talk about the erosion uh when they talk about the erosion particularly in giza and some of these areas there's different levels of erosion and there's some erosion that seems to indicate tens of thousands of years yeah and that's that's what's thrown kind of a monkey wrench in it there's like petra is a great example of this some of the the stuff in petra is uh crazy crazy eroded and some of it looks like like pristine perfect you know and and there's they're very petra's only like 10 excavated you walk around petra and you're you're walking on the roof of some building and you can look down in there and you can see there's a lot of that stuff in the right place where where they put these big uh like the treasury and stuff looks fine it looks it looks like they you know well preserved but there's this that guy right there the breathtaking natural wonder natural colors to the left jamie yeah down down and to the right right yeah that one yeah yeah look how heavily eroded that sucker is isn't this where that lion is too yeah there's like a lion cut into the wall you know i'm talking about no i'll look at a book but hold on a second stay on that one all right so that so you feel like this is like quite a bit older the whole the whole site of petra is a crazy enigma dude the engineering that went in there just to make that place livable is looks super super old and then you'll walk through you'll you'll encounter one of these guys and then you'll encounter a perfect one in the treasury and then you'll encounter one that's just like is a hole in the wall that looks like it was under construction it's just like all of it does not make any sense so all of petra is essentially a hole in the wall and then you'll actually carve out of these mountains yeah there's there's a couple roman there's a roman temple and an amphitheater at the end of it but the main stuff is yeah oh there's the lion oh yeah that's an old looking fucking elephant what is that in the right shape which is a way i still look like a mountain lion that was you know could have lived there it's got a tail okay that's a different one yeah is that a different one or is it a different one whoa um can i bring up side note as you're talking uh i was thinking of something and looked it up and didn't get taken off my path is there a place like the hill described on telepathy tapes and ancient descriptions of anything you know i'm talking about the hill do you know about that i i know the telepathy tapes i'm not familiar with this so the telepathy tapes they talk about these non-verbal autistic kids that all meet up telepathically in this place that they refer to as the hill like people that have not encountered each other physically all talk about this this area and this hill is supposed to be a place that and other people have gotten to it too so that's the weird part as i was thinking it's it's uh the hill is it's maybe is a hill maybe isn't a hill you know it's it's out somewhere in the subconscious or wherever the hell they're actually going yeah but as you're talking about you know back in the past i'm like well that it didn't just start in the last 50 years right it probably has been there forever well the um ancient greece has some like dream temples are talking about if you go down to uh this is shamanic soul flights but i think more interesting is ancient irish and celtic they actually i mean mound builders there are hills and the way it was described in telepathy tapes is there's various hills they're they're sort of geographically located but there are also big giant hills where there are thousands of people hanging out talking communicating learning people have learned hieroglyphs they go ask a teacher and this is why drugs are illegal and then as you're saying i'm like they could if someone was a ruler they could have like cut off the pat like no one's going here anymore right can we need full control that's that break all the tablets that show you how to get there yep we're done it's over you know and that's yeah it's my i did this right i made all of this right right and there's a lot of evidence that people do that now like look what the the taliban did when they blew up all those ancient yeah yeah so and and if you once you add the layer of like an altered state of consciousness like the the most impactful moments in some people's lives are their first psychedelic experiences or near-death experiences stuff like that that's the download you know you're you're kind of changed and altered forever after you go through one of these things right so if you could control that instead of having this this i'm just going to see what happens on ayahuasca journey you know if you could control that and guide it which is exactly what you find in the uh the very actual bear not the not the pyramid tombs because they're not tombs in the actual burials of the pharaohs they have spells on the wall that that tell you how to navigate to connect with them to connect with other deities to it's it's how they would they would go through this celestial university and interact with ancestors or uh get full memories sometimes and and have these these direct experiences that when they came out of their their uh ritual they would bring them out into the world and teach everybody else but to do that not anybody can just do that you know you have to be able to hold your conscious form in that that realm because anyone that's gone through one of these experiences know that it's kind of like you're you're at the mercy of the experience you know you're kind of getting thrown around but i think to answer that question of like how long does it take their science to do that i think that was actually the first core part of the science was learning how to navigate that world and how to navigate that world and how to navigate that world and then everything else kind of would come easy if you could know how to access the information of how do i how do i gelify this rock how do i how do i move it how do i because it would it would give you secrets to nature that you're not necessarily going to see with your limited sensory perception it's going to be something internal it's gnosis that's what they called it in the ancient world is direct knowledge of how the mechanics of the natural world actually work the football season is heating up 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not going to get the right thing Or it's just as magical Oh dude, I think you just nailed something Damn Jamie Sorry Jamie, you need to write a book That's Wow Spells and prompts And if you don't say it right You're not going to get the right answer back I've done that a lot So yeah, if you knew how to prompt That experience, a DMT-like experience And this is what you're So the snake around Whenever it's in the hieroglyphs They'll say it's protection But that's what I'm saying By holding your conscious form Holding a space for your conscious form You essentially become an observer in this world That can navigate it And it's protected by this Your own personal vibration That you had to build up Through this temple initiation protocol Well it certainly also could be under the spell Of a psychedelic experience Which a lot of people encounter serpents Yeah, that's like a main motif Yeah, like look He's got the serpents around him As he's traveling Look at the And look, he's all white Like he's in a protected bubble Like he's in a vehicle Yeah, that's So this is You'll see this What's on his head too? You'll see That's the solar disk What? That's Canoom, yeah What's the solar disk? Solar disk That's So the boat there In my interpretation of this Is a wormhole Essentially the way that we would describe a wormhole You can click that one, Jamie That you're hovering over Yes, yes Yeah, that's So the solar boat is the method of transport And this is why I say it's like a direct download Because this was the protocol of like Where they were going How you find them And they would put down the prompt To reach them Oh, fuck it Like why are they writing this stuff down? That's what I'm You know what I'm saying? Like is this nonsense? Or is this Are they trying to explain something That's an actual process? Jamie, look up the Book of Caverns You're going to love this one Okay, go to There are these weird figures On the Book of Caverns Like that thing? No, the very first one had them Click it and you'll probably get a better one Ken Kesey wrote a book on that? Oh, Introduction by Ken Kesey That one, Tour Egypt Right there That Tour Egypt one Click that one Right above you Right above you Okay, now go to that file extract From the Book of Caverns Wikimedia Commons Up there, yeah Look at the creatures on the bottom there What the hell are those? What? This one is crazy, man The Book of Caverns is like Some of the most wild hieroglyphic imagery You're going to see That's like To me, I'm going full Nephilim on that one Yeah, what the fuck are those things? Yeah And they're all uniform? There's optical flares There's optical physics in another page Like the spherical refraction The diagram for spherical refraction Is the image Where's that? So the Ken Kesey thing is actually just a novel Yeah, it's just, yeah, yeah Yeah, so there's another one Maybe scroll down on this one That you're looking at here What would be the spell That we would put into the What's the spell? What's the prompt spell? I've got Would you say spherical refraction? Yeah, so the optics of a sphere This is going to blow your mind They put this on It's the scroll of Queen Kinko How about spherical refraction, Jamie? Yeah I mean I ain't got no signal in here Is this it? The top, the one in the middle? Right there where Jamie's No It says Egyptian occult No It shows Some sort of refraction Above that You using a Mac, Jamie? Yeah I could I'm going to airdrop this to you Actually Let's see This is why you This is why I had my stuff prepped What is all this stuff right here? So this is These are in burial These are the burial chambers The actual burial chambers Not the Not the pyramids So they write Whoa, and look at those Freaky dudes are on the bottom The same freaky dudes But they're on their knees Yeah, no, I'm telling you It's the weirdest stuff you'll ever see The hieroglyphs you see above ground And in the, like, regular temples Nothing like this They all have long-ass fingers Yeah I'm going to have to search for that There are all these very bizarre Looking creatures with long fingers Yeah And they were standing up walking In the other hieroglyphs And in this one They're all leaning down But it seems It seems to be important That they document the size of their Digits in their hands They're utterly unlike any other Figures that you see depicted, too Jamie, can you go back to the images We were just talking about We were just looking at And Yeah, that one And make those guys in the bottom bigger Like, what the fuck are those things? They look almost tied up, too Well, it looks like they're on their knees Like, they're in a box And the nested gate thing You see that all over the temples The things that they're trapped in Right next to it Is like this nested gate Kind of stone doorway type Thing that you see That you see everywhere Go back to that image again Oh, there it is Like, what the fuck are those things, man? And they don't have heads here? They don't have heads And they have these weird long appendages That come off of their Almost like they have two arm Like, two lower arms Yeah And so, when you see it larger I thought they were fingers But now it looks way weirder than that Yeah They're definitely One of the things I think is And they're always kind of lower, too So, like, spirits of the underworld, I guess Like, the darker ones Fucking weird Yeah, I was gonna try to use a search To try to ask What's in the bottom of the image, you know? Yeah, good idea What's the conventional explanation For what those things are? Dear Perplexity Help us out What's on the bottom of this image? Here we go Our wonderful AI sponsor, Perplexity Checking available files Yeah, it's gonna be hard It's gonna have to do some research here Stylized human-like figures Some painted black Wow, Perplexity's taking its time on this one Usually it bangs stuff out quick It's freaking out Yeah It's like, you can't know this Double check Hey This is like we're asking it to Tell us how to make a bomb We tried to talk to it the other day To teach us how to smoke PCP Yeah It wouldn't do it Oh, man You're not using the right spell, dude Eventually we convinced it That we're on PCP Wow, look how slow it's going Can I airdrop a link to you, Jamie? Yeah, do you see it? It should Here it goes Let's see if I can Some painted black and others red Walking or standing in sequence To the left of them are three Wavy, snake-like horizontal symbols Yeah, I understand that But what is it? Human-like figures They look headless Small, standing human figures In Egyptian-style profile Rendered to silhouettes Rather than detailed people Their long, slightly bent bodies and arms Suggest they may be repeated depictions Of a deity or ritual participants But the image alone is not enough To identify them confidently Yeah, they don't have an answer They're just describing it You can add, like, the Book of the Caverns to you And it might tell you a little bit more Did you send that refracted? I'm trying to How do I get this to you, Jamie? Airdrop? It's like a link in Canva I have I think in Airdrop, a link Okay, let's try that Airdrop So, have you had anybody explain to you What those headless, weird-looking things? No Sometimes I just I will encounter stuff while looking for this And, like, it'll pop up into my head And I went to I met a bunch of people in Egypt And so I'll send it to them And often there's not a lot of Like, we have a really poor understanding of hieroglyphs I want to, like, make that very clear The Greeks didn't get everything from hieroglyphs The Greeks, they The Egyptian priests The ancient, ancient Egyptian priests They didn't tell the Greeks everything, you know And so we have the Rosetta Stone That translates the phonetics of hieroglyphs We know how they spoke hieroglyphics Like, their language But we don't know what their meanings were We have the best interpretation from the Greeks Of what they mean But that's it Like, we're not We didn't get this straight from the horse's mouth And it was what I'm saying This is, like There was never someone that walked a Greek guy Like, through the temple Like, this is what this means That's not how they taught people So, we're still, like, kind of throwing our darts in the dark here With a lot of this stuff And that's why I take the mainstream a little bit seriously In terms of, like, what the idea is But you also have to look at it like they were probably looking at it Which is not the way that we do it he would look at it, right? So. let's see if i can do this so this thing that you're sending jamie what's the um what's the significance of it so it's it's basically matching up like i'm sure i what i like to do is show physics in my like my videos right of them accurately describing processes that we understand today but only through our scientific method right so that's kind of like a uh i don't know a little little sledgehammer blow i like to take to these to these things but um yeah jamie i can't i i don't know if i can airdrop a link it's showing you're here but i can airdrop a file i'll just airdrop you the file because this one is bear with us ladies and gentlemen as we scramble so sorry yeah i was just i was looking it up it says perplexity is sort of saying it's like a depiction of the underworld that's sort of what you were saying this is it's always it's always the underworld it's always fertility it's always protection but like that's such a broad term like they're getting it from academic research yeah they're getting it from whatever textbooks have been written about it yeah so there's a there's a huge gap in between our interpretation because we kind of put a blanket over all of these cultures and they didn't treat things like we say that they treat these things and even if you go to places that still have a really good uh cultural anchor like peru they don't agree with what we say this thing was you know they don't agree that the inca's built the pre-inca looking stonework right they they don't claim that but we will say that the inca did it and so that that was always a huge problem for me uh like trying to make sense of all this stuff is like well they're saying this why do i believe you just because you are at a university and this isn't a textbook i'm reading you know right all right here we go so what are we looking at there we go there's a yeah so this is in that same book the book of the caverns right this is just a different page of it but what you're looking at down there is um this guy art of clay taylor i use this stuff all the time it's like just did this amazing analysis of the so what's happening is there's being light this is how a sphere go back to the top please that's right it's hard to show on the screen for everybody can you uh shrink it no one can see it on the screen oh i see on tv yeah yeah i'm trying to okay yeah so the the comparison basically um you see where the the beam is going in a perfectly straight line there yes so that's containing all of these uh the deities you can see that they are pulling the the the end there is kunum he's uh man we have to go through the entire egyptian pantheon to explain this but basically what it's saying is there there's a energy a knowledge a wisdom being transmitted through this this light and and when you look at it it is the exact optical refraction of a sphere and so that's the the solar disc is basically the transmitter of this this information the deities consciousness so how you manipulate that light is what we see in the actual temples and so it's basically a tuning fork the they use the light as a tuning fork to get this information or to navigate through this underworld spiritual realm and the evidence of that is that it's a light that's being transmitted through this spiritual realm and that for me is in the perfect optical refraction of a sphere that's crazy that it completely aligns no it's it's it's dead on and there's a sphere yeah so there's a sphere at the right side of the image okay i'm gonna blow your mind even more here and the spherical refraction that you see that's mirrored down below it what actually happens with the light in a sphere you've seen the exact thing including the reversal of the images top and bottom so so jamie if you open that last one i'll make that this one will make sense at the tip of that that image that we saw you know you had that straight line going through it if you overlay the the great pyramid over this spherical refraction it is one we we know that the angle of a rainbow is in the side of the pyramid it is in the concave part of it because the great pyramids eight-sided there's a line that goes right through it that is the angle of a double of a double rainbow and the the way that the sphere refracts the light is the exact layout of the great pyramid and so where the the grand gallery goes that that middle part that i'm pointing the area there the uh yeah i'm putting the arrow to that is where right on the tip of the of the the sphere it breaks the colors up into the seven colors of the uh rainbow right rogy biv and when you say it's an eight-sided pyramid how are you saying that uh if you have a picture of it yeah it's it greatly complicates the construction process being eight-sided as well so it's you only see it on the equinox i believe it's a shadow of yeah so so like they're counting that as two sides because it's it's it's dented in on the flat sides a little bit it's got a concavity but you can only see it certain times a year so it Okay, so do you think that when it was covered in limestone that was more prevalent? No, I think they probably smoothed it out. I think it's more of a functional aspect of it. Because when you actually look at the tuning of the pyramids, they kind of resonate at the Schumann cavity resonances. And so I think this was a deliberate focusing of those radio frequencies down into the electromagnetic spectrum. Go back to those images that you were just showing, please. Which ones? The ones you just had on screen. The pyramid one? Go back, make it larger. I mean, scroll back so I can see the rest of the left side of the screen. So there's that right there. So the Great Pyramid is not eight-sided. What is that? I mean, this is a thumbnail from YouTube. I don't know. We could go down and watch the video and see what they're saying. Or is it, it says. Oh, or is it? So you can see it when you go there. You'll see a small, weird spot in the middle of the Great Pyramid that looks like there's something there. But you only see it really from above on certain times of year. Wow. Yeah. And what do you think this function was? So when you manipulate the shape of a tetrahedron or a pyramid, what it does is it adjusts the focus internally. So it'll adjust the shape of the, it's, it's, there's a quantum process for it. But it adjusts the, the, basically the output of what the, what the shape is doing. So if it's, we're, we're tapping into like a radio wave frequency band in terms of how big the Great Pyramid is. But there's, there's a study in 2018 that showed that it can convert radio waves into electromagnetic energy into the ground. And it's doing this passively. It's not like a, it's not like Chris Dunn's idea right now. You know, maybe it was at some point, but what it actually does is it interacts with the electromagnetic spectrum and the radio frequencies that are, that are bouncing around the, the Schumann cavity, which is where we exist in. Right. And so what I think. What I think was happening is internally there's these chambers and these specific little nodes that were like filters, like band pass filters or, or, you know, taking a, a bigger wave that's passing through this and creating something inside of it that kind of slips through and that can utilize the frequencies that are, that are passing through it. So to me, they're like more of a sink than they were like a transmitter. I think a lot of people think they were a transmitter. I think they were, they were. They were sinking the, this flow of energy into the ground. Yeah. So those bands there are the radio frequency bands and they tested this. I think it was 2018. Yeah. 2018. And so how do they, how do they think this is happening? So I think they did a little, I think they did a model of it there. I'm not a hundred percent sure on the normally. I think, I think they made a model of it and they tested it in a, in a closed. In a closed environment, but I don't think they actually got out there with the, you know, some sort of device that read the signal in the ground, but what the, what they're saying basically is the geometry does that the geometry focuses the, the energy it's an, it's an alchemical process. You're taking a bigger wave and you're down, down, converting it into a smaller wave. And so that, that can interact with the environment as well. So if you change the soil conductivity or the electrical gradients that are moving. Through the crust of the earth, then that affects plant growth that affects germination rates that affects a whole bunch of things. It affects how, how lively an ecosystem is, is directly related to soil conductivity. And so at minimum, it was an interacting in that way. So at maximum, they were probably routing it in other ways too. Like what? First of all, that's how they learn this. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Here's a. Fun fact. 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before the younger dryas even and this was kind of a recovery system for that and when you look at the work of uh you know gerald pollock does like easy water like structured water oh okay yeah he does he does because that's what your body uses your body is is water but it's structured water it's a liquid crystal and it that that's because it can carry nutrients and electricity and basically all you need for life is in structured water and every temple was interacting with this structured water or at least a body of water an intersection between the two and and randall talks about this endlessly too but so there's this geometric interface between the ionosphere and the telluric currents or ground currents that control soil conductivity right so if i put a geometric interface between the two then i can shape that and then if i shape it even more with an underground network of pipes and systems that are distributing this out to the environment like we see at anchor watt and at dash or in egypt then this starts to become an ecological machine essentially that's that has no moving parts but is interacting with the environment in a way that like i the best thing i can say is is terraforming you know they were they were terraforming or creating a local ecology that could sustain life where they wanted to live in the most productive parts of the world i guess so with this geometric pattern so with the pyramid itself what do you think the structure underneath it is do you have a theory like what the purpose of it was if they are the the shape that filippo is saying that they are you know if they are accurately that big and that large then those to me sound they look like tuning forks they look like there's some sort of resonant cavities in a way that if it's if we're focusing that air that energy from from uh you know the atmosphere down into the ground then the the shape of it you're essentially looking at the top of an obelisk and we know what the obelisks look like and we know the obelisk ring and so all of these these um these things are they're they're they're they're they're they're these things are lining up so so the the great pyramid itself the main thing is made of limestone right and then you have the king's chamber that's made of of rose granite that was transported from 500 fucking miles away but they're 80 tons yeah no big deal uh but the rose granite's interesting the rose granite has is is high in quartz so it's piezoelectric and then it is also ferromagnetic that's why it's rose there's a lot of iron in it so if it is taking a lot of iron in it if the great pyramid is taking the in these these radio waves and then essentially focusing them into electromagnetic energy that energy is passing through the king's chamber which would interact with that in a way that would basically tune that energies like the spontaneous synchronization of the consciousness we were talking about earlier same concept but going into the ground so if we're taking this and we're tuning that energy going into the ground that our plants and our our light our uh humans can work with then then we have a system of cultivating this garden of eden essentially in any area that we want you can if you can bring these little devices and you can put a note here and a note here a note here note here then you create this vast network of a very livable environment and when they don't work then you have a very arid environment that is unlivable which is what they what we see in egypt now and so so you think it was geo engineering i think it was no i think it was you can't say our phones are just phones right our phones do way more than that right i think their main purpose was stabilizing the local local ecology and the environment of these places i think that was a main purpose a secondary purpose was learning and teaching humans how to use this energy in other ways that benefited life in general so organizing society in in a in a proper you know civilization would be very important uh engineering things to withstand earthquakes and environmental disasters would be very important hydrology would be very important all of these things seem to be uh a part of that system as well where once you have this uh the batteries connected to my phone my phone's working right but then i have to download the apps to do other stuff with it the apps are essentially what the human you get to you you go into this place and it's it's providing you with your with your uh your environment you can live and then you go into the temples and it's basically your university where you download your your information and then you create your civilization after that it'd be a way of boxing up a civilization and basically white labeling it so you could do it somewhere else and using the local uh creatures that evolved there naturally which would fit in perfectly with what we see right if if evolved primates naturally and then they get modified to accept these signals by these people these beings that came here or that hadn't been here already then all you'd have to do is really find another creature that's capable of speaking and then you have your your template and then that template spliced with your genetics and connected with the system becomes a way of living on any world that you choose okay so you think that this was so in this ability that these things have to control the environment and make it more hospitable do you think this has an ability to affect weather do you think they're doing that do you think they're making more plant growth what do you think they're doing with this both so we have to separate these out into certain um i i'll separate into three main categories here so we have the americas which was like the biologists biologists they were the lab of uh that worked with the plants they were there you we see this in all of their sacred sites right uh they were acclimatizing crops they were living in machu picchu where they could grow food up on top of mountains they would they were still close to sea level where they could manipulate that whole environment too they were masters of of working with this like the entire amazon is it was is pretty much engineered by humans so that that to me is is um like going to school for biology or the europe the european um area greco-roman stuff which is ordering society and making sure that that resources are distributed properly and and humans can regardless of how you think about that uh the romans were the most successful empire builders of all time and they they did that by absorbing uh different belief systems so they were kind of transmuting the the different thoughts of the people around them and in their empire to work for the the greater good i guess and then you have egypt which is consciousness like all conscious based and what all their hieroglyphs and stuff there were kind of the people that were like okay this is how you make a connection with these natural patterns of nature that we call they called netters the meter netters um but that's where we get our name for nature the netters were these patterns of uh you know nature consciousness and things like that and you could essentially tap into those and gain insight wisdom and gnosis through that and then you have the hindu and the pacific islands over here which if you look at all of their stuff they were working with the water they were prepping the water they were cleaning the water they were doing all this stuff to water you have hindu step wells. Every one of them has a Shiva Liam that you pour water on to, you know, as the, as their ritual, which purifies and makes the water sacred. And then you get into the Pacific islands, you have places like, um, anchor watt, which is the most hydrological hydrologically advanced system that we've ever seen in the ancient world. And we still don't know if it's, it's, it's true scale. Right. And so I like, I like using anchor watt because it's kind of a good example of what this ancient system was, where they all have a piece of, of the same, I guess, theory. They all have the technology, but they have specializations for implementing it into reality. And so with that, you have your, your population evolves in terms of intellect and ability and controlling the environment and survivability. And so you have a school, essentially a human school of teaching humans how to cultivate this, this living thing on this planet, which is the planet itself. It's basically awakening the planet to intelligence, whether that's plant life, human intelligence, whatever works with this type of energy, that was the system for implementing it is the, is the temple system. And so the evidence in that for, for my line of research would be, okay, we have clear examples of our tech doing this, and this is what it does. And this stuff, one, yeah, this looks like, this is what it does. This, whatever, but we're working with different scales. If you're looking at the layout of these temples, we're working with the electromagnetic spectrum in our phones, and they are working in the acoustic spectrum with the temples. They're all tuned to crazy resonances everywhere. And their note, their notation for that was flowers essentially. And the flowers match up with somatic patterns. And so these are essentially the keys to working with the, with the different temple frequencies inside of it. So you're, you're an operator. You're like, driving this thing, essentially of, of what it can do. Jesus Christ. How the hell did they learn this? Your guess is as good as mine, dude. I'm just, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to DJ the stuff and figure out this knowledge. Well, it's a fascinating perspective, but it also makes you think like, what are we really talking about? What does this civilization look like? What does this preexisting civilization look like? What is the earliest versions of it? Well, there's, there's a lot of interesting, and, and this stuff is kind of on the fringes, but like, Let's say that, you know, the, the Martian world was the, our original home and it got unlivable. Something happened to it. There's huge scars on Mars. Like something horrible could have happened to that place. So let's say they had that much time to, to evolve as a civilization, like on another planet. And we're trying to figure out how to terraform Mars right now. Elon's doing that. So this back and forth, like, okay, we need to have a backup world. Isn't a foreign concept. It's not, it's not something that would be, you know, a, a wild way out there to suggest that we, we should probably find a way of, of living on another world right now. Let's extrapolate that. Say your whole solar system's dying or say, say you need a, uh, you know, you're, you're trying to colonize another world because yours is too full of people. Well, if you have the system already, that's not a problem. You don't, you don't even have to, to move things physically. It's, it's a, it's an interconnected system that works with the local, the local environment and the local star that it's in. And it's connected to all these other stars and they, they've somehow figured out this network that without moving bodies, physical bodies, you could transfer consciousness. We see that in mummies. So if they can do that, then a star system in Orion or the Pleiades or wherever that we're, these, these things are aligned to essentially has a communication base, like a router in, in this system, you know? So you, you say like, oh, how long would it take to do that? But we're, we're talking about earth time scales. What if that's not even a factor? What if they had billions of years of evolution and they just use earth as a way post or a seed bank or somewhere to store their information so that let's say something does happen on a, on a planet in Orion, they can come back to earth, retrieve some genetics from corn and go to another planet and plant corn and they can have corn over there. You know, like that, that to me seems, seems more reasonable than saying, uh, these, these things just popped out of nowhere and they're just amazingly sophisticated and they don't have any any, any connection with anything else. They just popped up and this is this, you should believe this story, not only that, but it's the oldest stuff that we can find. Yeah. The oldest stuff that we can find is the most perplexing. Well, the Peru Peru example, Jay Anderson, I think you've got them on, right? Jay Anderson. Yeah. Yeah. So he just released a, his, his series, I think it's called ancient technologies. And he was, he went through Alante Tambo and was showing how, how scattered and stuff that stuff, what like the megalithic blocks are just thrown everywhere. And then the, the, the low tech stone stacking mortar stuff is right on top of it. Right. So if, if that story is correct, if that, if, if the original history of this stuff is correct, uh, what we're being told at least then the, the crappier work would have had to survive something that threw a megalithic block off a mountain. If the Inca built all of this, then the crappier work on top is dated to the same. They're, they're throwing it into the same date range, right? Yeah. Something that threw a megalithic block off a mountain didn't touch the, the crappy brick work that was on top of it. No, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. What also, there's also evidence in all these cultures, like when particularly Lebanon and all these, all these different places that there seems to be this habit that people have of building on top of far older stuff and it exists everywhere. And we just, we need to assume that that's the case, I think, because it seems to be the case everywhere when they find something incredibly complex and ancient. They build on top of that area. And then there's so much evidence of these cultures that find preexisting structures. This is the Aztecs. Like we don't really know who built these Aztec pyramids, which is really weird. I thought my whole life, the Aztecs built the Aztec pyramids. Yeah. Duh. Right. And then you find out, oh no, they don't even say they did it. They called it the place where the gods were born. Yeah. And so that stuff existed at least a thousand years before they were there. And that, that just doesn't, it doesn't fit with the level of sophistication that this, that the, the story itself comes with. The cultures come with this really sophisticated and what seems like encoded language in terms, we say it's like they're legends, but if you look at even stuff like the Quran or the Bible, there's stuff hidden in there numerically and in, in the, the legends themselves that can be encoded. Extracted from it that were, that seemed to be intentional. That happens all over the ancient world. All of their stuff seems to be like that, which is, which is the weirdest thing to me, because if you know all of this, if, if that theory is correct and they were, you know, terraforming or at least connecting on a like conscious internet level type of a thing, the only way you could really transmit that and they did this is like having a really good legend to orally transmit and that you could really transmit that and they did this is like having a you could, you know, make songs out of and stuff like that. But once it's down on, on, uh, you know, in a language in like Sanskrit or, or hieroglyphics or whatever, uh, once it's down in a language, then you have the inability to really look at it objectively because the guy that can read Sanskrit says, this means this, and you can't read Sanskrit. So you're like, obviously this means this, but what doesn't lie is the geometry. And that's what, what I'm focusing on mostly is showing that this geometry has a function and we use it every day in our devices. And if we scale that up, then we're just working with different levels of vibration in terms of, you know, seismic waves going through the earth. And that is the equivalent essentially of what our phones are doing with the electromagnetic spectrum. So their interaction geometrically with the natural, you know, humming of the earth and the natural processes of the earth and also of space and of space. Yeah. The natural bridge between that is the actual connection. That's what that, that is what they say in, in the ancient texts. If I, if I'm translating it, that's how I read it is they're saying to connect to the earth here, you have to build this temple here, essentially building it, putting a processor, our processor on this spot and to connect to the energy that that processor needs to run. Then you have to align it to this star when the sun rises on this day. And to calculate that you need to know the cardinal directions and that's why they're all cardinally aligned. So you have these different clues in archeo astronomy as well that are kind of validating the, the theories and what most people would write off is the stuff that I'm, I'm like looking directly at like that, that the legendary stuff that seems too, too crazy to be real. Well, that's probably just the best vocab they had to describe the process. We, we, right. We have the ability to use English, which is a very high tech language. It absorbs all other languages and we have ways of making new words and it evolves over time. Their systems really didn't, you know? So they had this, they had one thing like hieroglyphs had usually had like seven meanings per hieroglyph. So you had to like find which one in context of the hieroglyph it was, whereas ours is hyper-specific. So our language being used to translate this stuff is inherently going to be muddy because their concepts were much larger pictures worth a hieroglyphs were and now we have to take the hieroglyphs and make it into a thousand words because that's that's our way of understanding it that's a really good way of putting it this and we know this is the case where things are lost in translation yeah it's very complicated when you're just going from russian to english or you know we've seen that in scam letters when people go from foreign languages they try to talk like pretend like they're speaking english as a native language and they fuck things up you're like hey you're not really from kansas hey john that's why i'm actually from kansas it completely makes sense it completely makes sense that especially when you deal with other ancient languages like we know this about ancient uh hebrew right that ancient hebrew letters doubled as numbers which is really weird yeah so imagine that there was like numerical value in words that's extra check this out okay so like ancient mayan glyphs for example they are based on like almost solely on cycles fits directly in with this genetic engineering um like biological engineering framework that they use right the the egyptian language is more closely related to engineering diagrams than it is uh an actual language they can be read some of them can be read almost like um like you're looking at a part diagram and there's different views of the part you know and then the the hindu language is based on like flow water type of a it's it eventually evolves into buddhism right which is basically harmonizing the flow of of your reality so each one of these languages evolves into its its function in this world right so we kind of have to like we have to look at it from that perspective as well instead of instead of blanketing all of this as this was a ritual or like this was for protection or this was for fertility well yeah it is but that has such a huge it has a different impact on whatever function that you're using it for so that's that's their manual essentially is is their um style of how they're communicating this stuff and what what that looks like in the environment itself and that's the crazy the crazy thing about the hieroglyphs that this emerged yeah out of nowhere and we don't have like early hieroglyphs we don't have a crude version of it there's there's not even a you would think that like you have a you have a starting symbol like x marks a spot or whatever like this means um i'm the king of something and then you just grow that into a vocabulary like most of these emerge having a fully sophisticated vocabulary of concepts that right now we are still trying to understand that's how sophisticated they were so they don't make sense to us because it seems like they if we're looking at it from a primitive lens how could they be talking about some quantum physics here or or optics you know one of the weird things about these kids these telepathy tape kids is some of them can read hieroglyphs like off the rip like no yeah no education so this would this would mean they probably downloaded that information something from the hill from the hill right and the and the primordial mound is in every culture like that's the description on it was that like there's a teacher there that teaches it to them on the hill yeah like they want to know it there's like a i don't know if it's a guy or a being or what it would be but yeah it's like the the teacher of hieroglyphs explains it to them do they describe the teacher at all so i the description is through telepathy tapes is now you're getting it from a kid that doesn't talk so it's a very hard translation but oh man it's you know sort of do this well this is the question is like is it does it benefit the kid that it can't talk right it's not communicating so it's able to it doesn't have these it probably doesn't even have the same sense of self that we do or is it routing that that like the energy of consciousness in the parts of the brain that would normally light up for the stuff that lights us up is it being rerouted into something else right or is that or they just not in their own way because they don't speak verbally because right yeah attaching anything to it it just comes to them and they don't have to process through the the filter of culture do you know do you know who matthias de stefano is no so he's a he says he can remember his past lives yeah i went to egypt with him and he's yeah he uh i bet that dude's fun at a party oh dude no like a lot of my work is kind of like trying to decipher what the hell he just said because it makes sense to me and i gotta like put some science to this because i'm like obviously that's right but he's like he said that the um the main method of communicating in this way was non-verbal is their whole society it was basically engulfed in this field of all of this knowledge and all you had to do is really tap into where you what part of the field that you wanted to know this knowledge he called he calls it a spider web and sometimes he'll do this thing where he's like navigating through this spider web thing and there's like nodes of that knowledge and these guys could all navigate through this this node of knowledge that was being held in it basically you're inside this this giant supercomputer of of and a database that is this like the concept of the akashic records yes yeah that's so same concept different cultures and different ways of accessing it and he said that the vibration did something with the water it aligned the water in a your structured water in a quantum way to where you could get to the of this information or experience or memory or whatever that's why water was so important to humans is because that was the interface layer of the past and the future and that's how they were able to predict things in the future because they could just go to a different node and if they went to this node and said okay the civilization is going to collapse in uh you know 100 bc but if we do this then we could survive and everything's still gonna you know the the cycles are still going to happen but if you put this temple right here then people are going to dig it up and then it's going to restart civilization so this is why they were able to mobilize their people because they all had that shared vision of this thing happening and they could all access it because they were bathed in this field of information that they were building with this this temple network one of the fucking weirdest things in all the hieroglyphs is these this stargate thing like that that is so strange literally means stargate literally means stargate so like are our tour guide was uh mohabit ibrahim he's awesome and he's kind of the one that that has pushed the the the boundaries of reading this stuff because when you go to edfu the building texts of edfu are um so building texts are on the walls of the temple right the building texts of edfu are actually the first records of atlantis that we have that's not plato that the story of of atlantis is on edfu and you can see it everywhere there's there's boats coming in with the with the gods they're carrying him in and he walks through the entire outermost part of the temple and he's like carrying him in and he walks through the entire outermost part of the temple and he's like carrying him in and he walks through the entire outermost part of the temple and he's like carrying him in and he's like carrying him in and he walks through the entire outermost part of the temple and he's like walks through the entire outer outer wall of the temple and i'll show you all where's this edfu it's in egypt and so how old is this depiction of atlantis i i don't know what exactly their date is but i'm pretty sure if if so long got it from the it probably lines up exactly is this online can yeah we look at the edfu building text and you'll see all kinds of boats and all the so that's the oldest depiction of atlantis yeah i don't know why people attribute it to to plato that's the first written description that we have is plato but edfu is the legend of atlantis that doesn't have concentric circles is the whole they don't have a diagram of they don't have that but it has a lot of the um the the plasma technology stuff that i was talking about you know it has like plasma hieroglyphs everywhere yeah i've what no it has a legitimate i i went to egypt to try and find this hieroglyphs i was like it's got to be somewhere you know it was everywhere dude like every temple i went to is this it that's didn't dare to say it's like every temple i went to was those dudes with the wings what do they represent that's fucking weird so that's your um yeah so the cause the hands up and the ba the ba is the spiritual body and that's the the bird so there's three aspects in egyptian conscious cosmology where it's the murka ba the light spiritual light body the mur means the light the ba is the body that can fly through it and then the ka is the you're essentially like your human part of it so what do we what do we look at google edfu building text no this is oh is this i'm in atlantis egypt okay that one right there if you click oh that's kind of a edfu building texts edfu yeah no yeah edfu building text to google that building text yeah they're probably not gonna well that one that one's a really good one right there but these are all over the place that second one to your right yep so this the images of them coming across the ocean to egypt are all over this like they're all over the place like if you look right above that little thing that's cut where the picture's cut off the whole wall is them basically it's showing their journey from another land to egypt and look how their heads have been removed yeah it's like they've been defaced almost everything there you'll see that has has been scratched the faces have been knocked off all of the old old old old stuff has been knocked off because they're like that wasn't him it was me it was me bro he's just been conquered like right 30 times so yeah yeah strange how they did that like just nuked all those guys off the record but look at him at that top right there it'll show the them uh showing how to like grow plant grow new plants it's the the big guy God's to the right and the little humans to the left. They're showing the humans how to do agriculture and stuff. Yeah. Jesse Michaels posted a new podcast with this guy talking about how the pyramids, Jeffrey Drummond. Oh, yeah. Have you heard of Jeffrey? I've heard of him. Yeah, Land of Chem. Oh, dude, his stuff is good. It fits perfectly. Go back up, please. It says, new theory suggests Egyptian pyramids were industrial chemical manufacturing plants intended to produce the products necessary for agriculture and metalworking. The acid residue is still on the walls of the Great Pyramid. Jeffrey Drummond, Land of Chem, is an independent researcher who has spent nine years building the case that the pyramids made fertilizer and industrial acids powered by the Earth's own electrical charge, and the chemistry backs him up. Samples taken from inside the Great Pyramid in the 1970s found a crust of calcium sulfate up to an inch thick on the walls of the Queen's Chamber, and calcium sulfate is exactly what dilutes sulfuric acid. The acid leaves behind when it meets limestone. A Ph.D. chemist, Brian Cohen, has independently concluded the Great Pyramid produced sulfuric acid. Each pyramid made a different chemical from methane extracted beneath the Step Pyramid to hydrochloric acid in the Pyramid of Khafre. The Red Pyramid made ammonia, and the smell is still there, strongest in the deepest chamber and fading towards the entrance. The usual explanation is bats, but Drum says the analysis of the staining on its walls, found metal oxides, including thorium, and nothing a bat colony leaves behind. The whole plateau is wired. Iron veins run through the bedrock from beneath the Pyramid out across Giza, and Drum has mapped them. Analysis found precious metals and rare earths along their length, one sample at 35% platinum. The long stone pits beside the Great Pyramid is soon to have held ceremonial boats. are in his reading circuit breakers in that network. Okay, so his stuff, you got to dive into it. 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Like the connection of these nodes and where the chambers are and stuff are tuning in to different types of energy, to different frequencies essentially. And the whole basis for this alchemical, the process I was telling you about that goes into the stone and makes the stones ring and all this stuff. That's a tuning mechanism to tune the rocks to do a certain thing. And how they achieve this is through ultrasonic cavitation. It's like sonoluminescence, that video I was showing you where it flashes. So when it does that, you have a release of energy that could be harvested for other things. And then you have a chemical reaction that is very likely used for what he was saying. And that would be the mechanism for terraforming, is creating these elements that are needed to grow. That's what I'm talking about. That's what we fertilize our plants with, is these basic things. So the process is building a geometric interface between the natural energies that are already here and already tuned for this planet. And then you have the non-moving parts mechanism for this whole thing, which is the beauty of it all, is the cavitation aspect of it. And if you look at, so like Anchor Y and the Step Pyramid of Desture, they have these really deep wells are the best examples I can come up with for this. But these really deep wells are the best examples I can come up with for this. And these very deep wells would tap into the aquifers that were underneath them. And so when you tap into a certain frequency, let's say it's in the ultrasonic range, very specific ultrasonic frequency will create a very specific element. And these chambers are obviously tuned acoustically. And the wells below them, they look like they're tuned acoustically as well. So we have this filter. We have a pyramid that's filtering out. And then we have a chamber that's isolating a certain frequency and amplifying that certain frequency into the ground. And then when that frequency interacts with the well, the ultrasonic cavitation, goes in there, cleans the water. Because when you have cavitation, you have this, basically it boils the water. It's how you would heat water. There's a guy that made a little device that you could stick in a cup and you just pumped it with air and it would boil the water and it was doing the exact same thing. And so you have this method of cleaning the water and creating the elements that you need for fertilization or industrial processes or anything that we see that they had. And you would distribute that out into your network. Which is the entire Giza Plateau is filled with these giant shafts that look like they held liquid or that they were containers of something. And then you have the sacred lakes that were the purified water byproduct of what happened on these sites. And that sacred water was used for the humans. So the purified structure water was used for your rituals and your conscious activities as the human. Whereas the stuff that Jeffrey's talking about was used for the plant life and to fertilize plants. So you're getting all you need. You're getting all you need out of this one device. And then the bigger the device grows, the bigger the system gets in Egypt or India or America, then the bigger populations that you can support. And we're now seeing that India, Egypt, and America all had populations that were vastly larger than we expected because of this process, in my opinion. And so they knew how to work with it. They knew how to use it. And then they basically built it out on scale like what we do with our devices. And the question is, how the hell? How did they learn that? That's the question. That's the big one. The big one is, do we take them seriously? Do we take their legend seriously? We more understand the process of what they were doing than where they got it, which is wild. Right? We're getting closer to that than where we got it. Right. Like how, how, how, who, where, how long, how long? Or why. Right. Why? Why is the question? But we're assuming that people beyond that period were simply hunter-gatherers. With stone tools. They, they probably were like, there probably were concurrent civilizations that were doing that. Like they are right now. And then, and then, you know, when they say like, you know, Nephilim or whoever bred with the humans, they probably were probably were taking some, some of the best stock of them and being like, you guys are going to be us now. And then they, they get into this cycle of, of conscious, you know, transfer. And then you have civilizations that last for 5,000 years. What the fuck? And you have Stargates. And then you have Stargates. Yeah. Well, that would make a lot of sense. Like the whole, you know, the, the gate phenomenon, the doorways to nowhere phenomenon. Yes. You see them in Peru. Yes. They're in Saudi Arabia. Like Hegra in Saudi Arabia. You know what that is? I've heard the word. I don't know what it is. Hegra. Jamie, pull up Hegra. That, this stuff. So a key component of this system is that the information is transferred in the rock itself. Tesla proved that this was possible, that you could, you could transfer energy from energy and information through, through the stone substrate of the earth. Right? So if you can do, yeah, if you can do this, you basically, all you need to do is create gates in the rock and you can remote view like a hologram, any place on earth, you just go through and then you have this geometric gate that you recognize because it's the geometry that, that every culture is using. And then you basically pop out of a rock into, in your spirit form. That's what the Egyptians said. The Merkaba could travel through these things. So then you have the, yeah, you have stuff in the middle of, of deserts that- And what's the conventional explanation for these things? Tombs. Tombs. Hell of a fucking tomb. Yeah. Must be a dope dude that died. Look at that thing. But you see this, this same phenomenon in, uh, Jamie Gould, uh, L-Y-C-I-A, Lycia. But hold on before we go there, is this in the middle of nowhere? Uh, it's in the middle of the Saudi Arabian desert. Yeah. Go, go down to that cat on the bottom. That's what she's standing there. Look at him. He's like, Hey, check it out. Like, check it out, check it out. Yeah. This is my home. I wonder what that means to them. them i wonder what they think it is i genuinely i talked to a lot of uh egyptians when i was in egypt i don't think they're very aware of a lot of this stuff i think they're quite disconnected from so there was something that happened that wiped these people out yeah and do you think that this aligns with the younger dryas impact i think that these probably are post that post that just because they're they're really they're they're really crispy crispy in terms of lack of erosion yeah yeah like and they're in the middle of nowhere you'd expect to see a lot of wind water erosion on this thing it's clearly water erosion here so who water there no what jimmy water yeah on the bottom there like it would have like it's dry now like venice you know but they're all elevated like these are docks like i'm thinking of lake travis when it's empty you know and look at the discoloration on the bottom part versus the top part indicates that the top part was exposed and the bottom part was probably underwater and you see this water line across wadi rum and petra and saudi arabia and egypt there's like a huge right discrepancy on um you know sphinx shows it sure huge discrepancy and that's like kind of a indicator in my opinion of what things were and where they were in that timeline and we're super aware that like especially when it comes to sub-saharan africa when they find these whale skeletons like the giant ones insane um so this what do you think that was though i think those are like the the transit stations yeah i i genuinely like maybe not for physical bodies i don't know if that's like i i can't come up with a mechanism that makes that work where you deconstruct your matter but if you if the the egyptians could clearly travel with consciousness they they show that in their their hieroglyphs and the hindus speak of it as well and um so if you could do that i think i feel like those were more of um let's say you go to a deep meditative state you're you're aligned in your temple and you have you know this maybe possibly psychedelics or some other thing amplifying the connectivity in your brain and giving it abilities that it doesn't normally have to connect with another thing about the psychedelic experience is you feel connected with everything all at once right right so if you're if you can enhance that feeling and be connected with your whole environment then navigating that environment would require merging with it but then emerging somewhere with with a pattern you recognize and that pattern is why you see that these doorways carved in there because in in the non-physical conscious state that they talk about the only thing you really kind of kind of decipher is geometry right well on psychedelics you see a lot of you know torus shapes and fractals and stuff like that but in this world if you're tuned in with that and you're traveling kind of consciously through the the the substrate then finding the gateways to exit would be the the goal essentially and that's why you see these doorways carved in the middle of nowhere in peru and the same thing in saudi arabia is in my opinion that's how they talk to each other they're like yo this is uh this is happening over in peru send help somehow or another yeah well that's also one of the weirder things about these temples uh particularly some of these temples that exist in india where they have this incredible harmonic frequency inside of them when they're chanting and you have to think this is by design and what is the purpose of that and is it to achieve a certain state of consciousness and what kind of consciousness can be achieved particularly imagine you're on psychedelics so one of the things about psychedelics is um do you know what icaros are have you heard of those icaros are these songs that they sing um when you are under the the spell of dmt and um they do it with uh these uh ayahuasca rituals but i've i've had it done i've experienced it where you play the songs on dmt and it makes the dmt dance like in this very strange sync it synchronizes with the music the experience instead of being like completely chaotic and random it synchronizes like directly and like the the patterns dance with the music they work together in some very very strange way now you got to imagine that if that's the case that would also be the case with chanting that would also be the case with if they had songs if they had something they could do there was some some dance they could do with sound while they were inside these incredibly resonant chambers where like the one that i sent you on instagram bedsy caves that's yeah i'll send this to jamie because this is crazy when when you hear how this guy is chanting inside of it and you you hear the sound that it's making while he's doing that you're like what why would you do that like what what is involved in this fucking thing it's a specific frequency too like the it resonates at a fundamental on each one of these things um i don't know let me hear this jamie but this is outside uh i'm sending you something i just sent it to you yeah yeah that's it that's it and this is from this gentleman's name liam richards liam richards freaking crazy this is take a look at this it is freaking crazy this is called a chatya it's a for chanting it is like nothing i've ever seen listen to the acoustics in here so the buddhist monks they will come in here and they would meditate or chant they will perform meditation in here walking around the stupa and chance like it lasts so long can you hear that it reverberates for like 15 or 20 seconds and this seems like this is all carved out of stone structure yeah not built but carved out of the stone you can't you can't make one mistake in it and and that's the thing with these this stuff too is um these things are tuned all of them the egyptian chambers the hindu chambers in cathedrals especially they're all tuned to a specific resonance and that resonance is what you'll usually find carved into the floral patterns on the wall so these resonances were kind of the key to go to these either places of information or possibly even locations like what we were just talking about is like maybe hegra had a location that looked like a five-pointed and then maybe the temples in egypt had one that looked like an eight-pointed star or something like they're a flower you know and so if you know that if you know the resting resonance then that drives your conscious experience like what you're saying on on these in these altered states and it's also why psychedelics are so popular music festivals and stuff like that is because music music drives the experience that was the second part of like i was always into this stuff but music when i got into music and making music was the just kicked everything off because that is the physics mechanism of the interaction with your your neurology your vagus nerve is directly connected to your ear so the main nerve of your whole body is connected to your ear it goes to that before it goes to your brain for processing this is for survival it loud noises generally kept us alive if if we heard you know the the tree snapping and that tiger is behind you in your run that mechanism bypasses the the processing centers of the brain particularly the amygdala which is the fear fear-based brain and that's what we're talking about that fear-based part of the brain right so fight or flight and so if you bypass that and you are in a state of you know peace and serenity and protection and maybe a temple environment maybe a music festival environment whatever you feel then you can achieve a level of abstraction from your physical body meaning you're not paying attention to your sensory inputs as much as your conscious experience and then once you have that that detached state that is more mobile than your physical body i mean even on like a dmt experience you feel almost weightless it feels like the the you know you're coming out of your your physical self and if you can direct that using sound and you're in an environment that's connected with everything else then you have your your method of information exchange or at least you know some sort of conscious travel that we can't really understand yet yeah the music music sound is is like the most vital component to to all of this because we're in a state of awareness and we're in a state of awareness and we're in a we drive that experience sound is the only the only medium that we can actually manipulate other than our immediate physical surroundings so like talking to you you know the sound travels and we can manipulate the sonic environment of this room just by speaking that's how they interfaced with the geometric environment of the temple complex now the design where this stuff came from that stuff is a completely other like how how they know how to route this stuff and what is work with what? Don't know that yet. But what we do know directly is that, that has a huge impact on your experience, whether it's in a cathedral or an Egyptian temple or a music festival. All of this stuff is happening to the brain in a realm of feeling instead of thinking. So if you bridge those two, then you have gnosis. You have the feeling that comes with the thinking in this environment that is so life-changing that it's the direct download of information. It reminds me of a Dennis McKenna quote about if you, the more you ignite the bonfire of wisdom, the more you illuminate the surface area of ignorance. I might've butchered that, but essentially the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know. Like the more we learn about this stuff, the more we realize like, what are we even talking about? Like, this is really crazy. Like, I feel like we're doing some sort of archeology. Like we're like brushing off the dirt and discovering like, this is crazy. Whatever it is, like the undeniable aspects of like that temple. How old is that? Who built that? Why? What was your motivation? How did you do it? Where are your tools? Why did you do it? Why has it reached this specific hertz? Why does it reach this specific frequency? Why does it resonate that way? But this is the gateway, I think. What you're saying is the gateway into where we're going. And how the fuck did they figure out? That we get lost in how did they move the big stone, which is also an equally perplexing problem. But the why for me is where it's going to go, because that is substantial in the sense that you can prove it. If we can alter the experience of somebody and the conscious experience, and we can drive that experience in a temple environment, or at least an acoustically tuned environment with this geometric ratio, maybe a recreation of a Egyptian temple or something like that. We can recreate that experience and prove that something is going on. They're already trying to map the DMT world at like Stanford or something. Add that to the list of experiments. Go to a cathedral, rent it out for a day, and play with some frequencies in there while a bunch of people are on this sustained DMT intravenous trip, and have them see what's going on. Because that's the only way. I can't go do that experiment myself. I'm going to get kicked out of the cathedral, because I'm going to be acting like a lunatic. I need permission. Listen, man, this is a lot to absorb for people. So I think it's probably good to end it right here. We definitely should do this again, because it's really fascinating stuff. And I commend you for the amount of time that you spent absorbing all this, and your ability to recite it is very impressive. Thank you. It's nutty shit, man. It's easy to get sucked down into that rabbit hole. That's my day-to-day, dude. Well, that's awesome, man. I'm glad you're doing it. Bassforge.us is your Instagram. Instagram. YouTube. Yeah, same thing. Same thing on YouTube. Doing a lot more live stuff this year, too. What are you doing live? So I'm leaving for CPAC tomorrow, the Conference for Procession and Ancient Knowledge. That's in Cali. And I'll be speaking there. And then coming back, and then I'm going to be playing a music festival called Wakhan in Arkansas. And then after that, I'll be back here for a conference called Quest for Ancients. It's downtown Austin. I'll be speaking and playing there. Is that the October thing? Yeah. Okay. That's October. October 15th through the 18th. Okay, cool. Yeah. So that one's going to be really cool. I'm debuting this brand new project that I've been working on for like four years there. So that's basically a synthesis of everything that we talked about with visuals and music. Oh, amazing. Yeah, it's going to be pretty sweet. Well, dude, thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. All right. Talk to you soon. Bye, everybody. 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