#2542 - Steve Hilton

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Come on, man, what's going on? For people who don't know, you and I have been friends for, God, more than 10 years. How many years has it been? I think it's the year we got here, which is 14, 2012. Yeah. When we moved from England. We met in Hawaii on the beach with our kids. Okay, so what's your memory? I was just thinking about that, because I have a very particular memory of that. My memory was that my children and your children were playing on the beach. Exactly. That's how we met. It was just, they were, like, digging in sand. They were real little. They were the same age. And then we just said hi. Yeah, but I remember, okay, I have a slightly different memory. Okay, what's yours? Which is, like, that's exactly right about the kids. Yeah. Two girls for you. You two boys for me. And your wife was there first before. Yes. I think I was in the gym, and then I came out of the gym. And I just remember, I just like, remember, I've just moved from England. And it's a whole different world and a different culture. And I just remember you walking down the beach. And I remember, I've never seen anyone like this before. Just like, it was just an amazing cultural moment. And then. You'd never seen anyone walk on the beach? No, just the way. Just the way you were, you know, just the way. I just remember thinking, who's this guy? I remember I'd never heard of you. And then I was explaining to people. I'd, oh, Joe Rogan, you met Joe Rogan. It was just an amazing thing. And then the other thing that makes me laugh doing this is that we then did the podcast. Yes. At some point around then. This is before you had any aspirations of running for governor or anything like that. Exactly. It was a long time ago. I had just moved. I was teaching at Stanford. Just having a very normal kind of low-key life. And I really remember doing the podcast not knowing what a podcast was. I literally didn't know. So we came in. And again, my experience was I'd been in England. You know, I'd worked in business, run a restaurant or two, that kind of thing. But most recently, I'd been in politics and government. And so I'd been in the media. I was aware of all of that. And so, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't like I was completely naive, but I didn't know what a podcast was. And I literally thought it was like a radio show or something. I remember coming in. This was back in L.A. And we sat down and we were chatting for a few minutes. And I literally was thinking, when's the next guest coming? This seems to be going on a really long time. And it's like 10 minutes and then 15. Wow, this is a long time. Normally, you get like 10, 15 minutes maximum. Right. For an hour. What? An hour? Three hours. I couldn't believe it. Well, back then. I really didn't know. No one knew what a podcast was. Right. So what year was it that Steve was on? Episode 509, 20, it was June, July 3rd of 2014. 2014? Yeah. Whoa. Okay. 2014, episode what, 09? 509. We were already. 509? Yeah. 509. 509. So we've had 2,000 podcasts. We've had 2,000 podcasts since then. Incredible. And, wow, 12 years. That's 12 years ago. That's crazy. It's crazy. The other thing, just remembering, you know, I'd never really done anything public. I was like a behind-the-scenes guy in politics and government, and I'd just come out of that. And I was very kind of cautious about everything. And you were just talking like you do, which, again, I didn't really know, and I remember thinking, God, this is like, we're talking about sex, and you were cursed, and I was like, wow, what is this? Like, this is so different to anything I've ever encountered before, but there we are. Yeah, nobody was listening back then. It was nice. You could get away with so much more. You could just talk and not worry about it. And also, social media was not as big of a-- I don't think much has changed. I don't think you worry about it when you're talking. No. Well, I don't pay attention. That's the key. That's the key to my success. Right. This is like don't listen to anybody, what anybody has to say about you. Just keep moving. Yeah. Keep moving and don't pay attention. I think that obviously works. Well, I think there's a lot of people out there that are crippled by other people's opinions. I think there's a genuine benefit to having a bunch of other people's opinions of you and you get to see feedback, but there's just way too many bad faith actors on the internet. There's way too many people that have the least charitable takes on everybody. The worst public narration, public narratives that they want to promote about anyone or anything, about any subject. There's far too many people like that. And it's a poison well. Yeah. It's like if you went to a restaurant and you knew that 20% of their food would literally fucking kill you, would you ever eat there? No. Well, that's like Twitter. Yeah. 20% of the people there are fucking poisonous. They're like a coral snake. I know. But it's so funny because I've just been. So when we met, I was just kind of a regular citizen, teaching at Stanford, whatever. Then I started a business. Then I got more public. I went to Fox, hosted a show there. Now I'm a candidate. And as that's happened, you get more prominent. And so you look at these comments and I never know whether to look. But the thing is, the thing that really just makes me laugh now, it's like I'm always tempted to do it and I never do it. Like the really idiotic, just pure abuse, like, I don't know, like I put something out there and now there's a lot more of this. I'm a candidate. It's like, "Go back to England, you fucking cunt, or you bald whatever." And like I always want to write, "Good point," or something like that. It's just so tempting and I never have. Maybe I should. Well, there's a lot of sad- Because it just makes me laugh. There's a lot of sad, angry people out there that are just lashing out. And unfortunately, those are overly represented online because those are the type of people that have the time to make comments. But then you also have to take into consideration, whenever you're involved in anything political, as you obviously are, because you're running for governor of California, there's a lot of the people that are engaging with your content that are not real people. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience presented by the Farmer's Dog, gently cooked, fresh dog food that's clinically shown to support healthy aging, just in time for National Dog Day on August 26th. Both of my dogs eat it. They love it. New customers get 50% off your first box at thefarmersdog.com/rogan. Plus, you get free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know. Because I use it. That's right, joerogan.com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website, like an AI-enhanced website builder, SEO optimization tools, and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links. Head to squarespace.com/rogan for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the offer code "ROGAN" to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. You mean actual bots? 100%. Okay, that part, I never have in my mind. You don't? No, I should, but it's a good point. Keep going. Oh, it's a tremendous amount. It's not a small amount. It's a huge amount. Does Elon. There's nothing you can do about it. It was a point of contention when he was buying Twitter. So when he was buying Twitter, Twitter was alleging that there was only 5% of Twitter with bots. But see if you can find that article again. There's a former FBI. God, he did something with digital intelligence. And he did a forensic analysis of Twitter. And he said it's probably 80%. Eighty. Eighty. Jeez. Eight zero. So it's a bunch of bots yelling at you. And by bots, okay, some of them, I think now, and this is at the time, so this is 2022. When did he buy Twitter? 2023? 2024? 2024? I think older than. Was it 24? I don't remember. I think it was like. Somewhere in 23, 24, yeah. Yeah, okay. So back then, AI was not as much of an issue, right? Like AI, you could automate anything now. So the claim that 80% of Twitter originates from a 2022 assessment by cybersecurity expert Dan Woods, while official company filings have historically claimed fake accounts represent under 5% independent estimates and security specialists suggest real figures are higher. An exact 80% total remains heavily debated. It's very debated, but if you read the article, he goes over, it's very meticulous. Like the way he's describing, it's not like he's pulling it out of his ass. He did it. So what they did, what Twitter did to come up with 5% was they just grabbed a random 100 tweets. But also they're trying to sell it for fucking billions of dollars. They want you to think it's all. What was it, like 40 billion? - Yeah, something crazy, wasn't it? - I don't remember the numbers. billion fucking insane amount of money for this what is now just chaos you know it's funny so there's that and so this guy's saying 80 so again this is a few years ago so you're dealing with actual humans who are doing it so you have these uh state-sponsored groups um that are there's these bot farms and when these bot farms are you i don't know if you've ever seen them um but people people have like gone inside and filmed them like whistleblowers and what they literally have is like rows and rows of android phones that are all connected to like phones without keyboards yes and they'll type one thing and that one thing gets tweeted right by hundreds and hundreds of phones and there's many of these places and this was back before you get ai to automate things for you now that you could do a thing where you can essentially start a campaign online like say steve hilton's a cunt pass it on and literally they will you could hire a company and this company has bots that will go out there and promote that steve hilton is a cunt and they will put it everywhere they'll they'll hire people they'll pay this is another thing yeah there's a bunch of like really bad actors really bad faith actors on twitter that are paid to post things and these people have been called out many times by other people that are independent journalists that say isn't it crazy that all these people use the same language at the same time exactly they're getting paid they're getting paid quite a bit of money israel pays people they've been pretty open about it you know and they were saying that we have to win the digital war against what they what they they call it the woke reich which is hilarious um so there's that so so you you have to like when you're engaging like i don't know i don't know i don't i know real people on twitter i know real people that i i read their posts and i know there's real independent journalists but there's a tremendous amount of just utter horseshit yeah i don't have time i have no time for no i mean i look at it um so because you know you're running around you're doing all these things for the campaign whatever so i don't have too much time it's the one i look at but there's all the other you know there's instagram and all the rest and i don't even look at those but well next you know for a few hours you know if you add it up you're going to have a half an hour in the morning maybe half an hour in the middle of the day yeah at the end of the day and you look at it then and you just find out what's going i think it's pretty good for news like things that are happening it's the best thing in the world for news so i that's why i check in with yeah you kind of see what's happening i do that i go to the front page like what's going on what what are the news stories but as soon as it gets to people's opinions on something like blah blah blah not listening i just think it's fun honestly the abuse stuff it just makes me laugh i think it's does it kind of that's good well you've always been really good digitally like for people that don't know like i said steve and i've known each other for a long time uh i mean we're we're good friends like we've taken our families to disneyland yeah like we've slept over each other's homes this is again way before you're running for governor we i know you and you know me and you know my family we know each other and you've always had no phone you were always impossible to reach i used to have to get a hold of your wife to get a hold of you exactly it was hilarious for a while i don't even know if i had fucking email for a while i didn't have email i always had email yeah you but you never had anything on you to check that email so like exactly that's right one time in san diego i always said it's fine nothing ever goes wrong are you gonna know what's wrong your wife was so mad at you because you couldn't get a hold of you you fucking vanished but this was the thing is like you were well aware that it is a toxic element in your life and it's distracting it keeps you from being present it keeps you from being able to be present and it keeps you from being able to be present and it keeps you from being able to be present and it keeps you from being in the moment and it's very hard to have discipline and just put it down and i'm really good at it but then i'm not and then some some days i'm not i just find myself on the toilet for 20 minutes watching murder videos because my instagram it's actually really good right now um well actually what you mean like true crime stuff oh horrible things so one of my best friends tom segura he and i have had this over the last few years of sending each other the worst fucking shit that we find online to each other just to freak each other out first thing in the morning like first thing in the morning i wake up and tom sent me like the other day i sent him these two guys were trying to rob an atm machine and uh the guys pulling on it and they wrapped a chain around it and they had a car sounds like a movie that was pulling yeah yeah so the the car was pulling the the atm machine out and the guy got trapped under it and dragged him out of the car and he was like oh my god dragged with sparks and blood i mean it's fucking horrific and i mean i've seen so many people get executed uh hundreds instagram is terrible at removing that stuff i don't know if i spend far less time on x because x is so much opinions it's so it's so much of it is just text instagram for me it's a lot of it is very interesting like i find interesting historical facts interesting scientific discoveries cool stuff there's a lot of it it seems to be just generally when i'm around you know i'm on planes a lot and and like all the time and you see people so just and just watching people instagram seems to be the thing you know i'm not watching what they're looking at you can see the logo and you can see that seems to be what people are most consuming yes on the go instagram i think it's probably the biggest one that maybe tiktok's probably the biggest yeah and tiktok i don't know what's the biggest but they're all they're both pretty big and it's it's just mine tiktok's probably younger yeah i think it's probably but there's a lot of older people on tiktok too now it's just very addictive tiktok when you open it up it immediately starts playing you something yeah that's different you know like instagram it opens the page and you go so what's going on and you you have to like put in a little effort tiktok's like gotcha like immediately as soon as you open up the app it's like gotcha here's another one here's another one here's another one next thing you know an hour's gone by and you've wasted it i remember when i first read about it like years ago tiktok i think even maybe even wasn't called tiktok his bike dance were doing it and it was music video there's something yeah and that's how it started it started when you could make your own video to music or something yeah music was the focus well the original tiktok was a bunch of people dancing yeah that's right it was exactly yeah they were dancing and lip syncing and i remember reading and and they were talking about how viral it's gotten and this thing is going to take over so it's like oh yeah that can't be that's not going to happen and then now look where we are amazing well what's really interesting is china where tiktok originated they have a completely different tiktok exactly their tiktok is curated to um like martial arts demonstrations scientific discoveries it's all athletic achievements doing music and all that exactly it's all like enriching shows you can do that yeah and kids aren't even allowed on it after 10 p.m so like you have to put in your age when you do it at 10 p.m it bricks you go to work bitch go to sleep get up in the morning and now now tiktok does that or the i can't remember i've read that the chinese version of tiktok so the chinese and the government makes them do that yeah yeah they're smart like it's not good to censor people but if you want to have a society that's not captured by horseshit yes that's the way to do it so i remember back so i'm hungarian my parents are hungarian when i was a kid i was born in england but we'd go back to hungary and this thing i always remember being really pissed off about when i was a kid not that the tv was before anything it was just tv so all you had was television but on mondays in hungary there was no television because they wanted people to do other stuff just on monday yeah it was something maybe i'm getting this right and it was like go out talk to each other do stuff sports whatever it was just and it was communist regime so they can do whatever they want right but you think you know they were thinking i prefer freedom but well that's what i think all about all of this is so hard like even when you look at like just today there's the um this massive trial this meta trial going on what's going on meta it's a lawsuit today's the first day of the trial what is the trial they're suing meta for 1.4 trillion dollars trillion trillion trillion with a t whoa i mean they're not gonna get that but that's the claim it was just today claims that addicted children to social media huh and they're doing this through lawsuits and the and i'm just so torn over this because i've got a very strong point of view about all of this and kids yes but there's something about this doesn't feel right in terms of just going after these big platforms because in the end i think it's the phones it's the there'll be something else if it's not meta it'll be another thing yes i mean i wrote about this year 2015 so soon after we did that show i was probably working at the time i had a book called more human designing a world where people come first and the kind of main thing in the book was everything's too big and bureaucratic and centralized and we've got to get back to the human scale so it's mainly about other kinds of policy areas but i did write about this thing and kids and tech and i said at the time we you know kids under 16 i said then shouldn't have smartphones you can give them other phones to stay in touch but smartphones bad idea is the screams and so i see all this going on and i think it's a really important thing to do and i think it's a really I think, yeah, have a go at Meta or whatever, WhatsApp. or YouTube, I think they're coming for as well. They're coming for YouTube. That's interesting. Definitely. Yeah, they are. There's already been a couple. This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew. Man, let's talk about Blue Chew. They're already the number one brand for better sex, but what they're doing with Blue Chew Gold is completely next level. Gold is a four-in-one formula designed to make your bedroom noisy again. Obviously, it gets you hard, like you're back in your 20s, and everything is handled 100% online, but gold boosts your arousal, getting you ready for sex physically and mentally. Plus, it dissolves under your tongue for faster absorption, so you get that spontaneous energy back. Look at the stats. Gold is three times stronger, five times faster, and eight times longer-lasting than old-school methods. Blue Chew Gold is the real deal. Right now, buy two months of Blue Chew Gold and get started. And get the third free with my code ROGAN. You'll also receive free overnight shipping. Head over to bluechew.com for details and important safety information. Check it out. This ad and the products being advertised are intended for a United States audience. Well, that's like coming for television, though. I know, it's weird. It's like user-created television. I think it's the screens, though. Right, but the screen's the problem, right? It's not the content creators. That's what I'm getting at. And then if they are coming after you, then they're kind of coming after me, right? Because, like, I'm making people addicted to listening to people talk. How are you going to say that that's bad? The four states seek substantial financial penalties. Reports differ on the precise figure, with recent reportings describing the state's position as roughly $200 billion, while Meta has cited a possible exposure as high as $1.4 trillion. The ultimate penalty, if Meta loses, would be determined by the court. They also want court-ordered changes to Facebook and Twitter. Facebook and Instagram potentially including parental verification for teen accounts, changes to recommendation algorithms characterized as dopamine manipulating, removing or limiting like counts, infinite scroll, autoplay, appearance-altering filters, multiple accounts, and disappearing content such as stories. What? People love that. I know. So they're trying to really mic for a manage. Yeah, but disappearing content such as stories is kind of interesting sometimes. Like, my friend, Adam Greentree, he's a bow hunter, and he goes hunting, and his Instagram stories depict each day of these hunts. And it's really fascinating because he takes these crazy adventures where he goes deep into the Colorado Rockies by himself for like 28 days, and he's like camping out in the snow, and it's cool. It's cool to watch. So it's not all negative. So our AI sponsor, Perplexity, who we've pulled this information from, is saying that a loss could mean not only a very large financial judgment, but also mandated product redesigns affecting how minors and potentially all users experience Instagram and Facebook. See, the problem is, as soon as the government gets involved in mandating product redesigns, we're fucked. I agree. Because they're not going to make it good for us. I totally agree. There's not a chance in hell. Yeah. It's just. Manipulating. They're getting involved, and they're not going to make it good for us. And they'll probably get them to give them some money. And then when you start getting. And you could just imagine these bureaucrats sitting around micromanaging. I mean, they've got too much of that already. 100%. Yeah. One of the things that we. So I get it's a problem, but this isn't the way to go. No. No. You know, there's a relaunch of MySpace that is. Yes. And so MySpace is apparently attempting to relaunch and be algorithm-free. And this is their idea. They're thinking the algorithms are designed to keep you engaged and get you dependent and get you hooked. And they're doing it by making you outraged for the most part, right? And what they want to say is, look, why don't you just find what you want to find, and we'll have it on here. Okay. Which is probably a lot better. Yeah. Because, you know, my feed would be all things only that I'm interested in, not things that piss me off. Well, that was the big change they made to the news feed versus what you were doing. And incredibly, like, potent, in its impact on children, in particular. And me. I'm a child. I'm a little kid. I fucking. I get hooked. We all get hooked. You get hooked on nonsense and just paying attention to stupid things. And it just eats time. And that's what is. That's the commodity. The commodity is your attention. Yeah, exactly. But you've got. I hear, actually, all the time, it's not discussed like a political issue, like we talk about gas prices or whatever. But then I've done a lot of events last, whatever, year and a half, like, really a lot. Thousands and thousands of people sometimes. Big events, small roundtables. You hear a lot of people. And they. The first set of things they talk to you about, what you might. Because they think, you're a candidate. This is politics. Let's talk about taxes and gas prices and the kinds of things that you think they, you know, sort of assume to be part of the political conversation. But then when you raise something like that, like the kids and the screens, that totally changes the conversation. And suddenly they're, like, intense and kind of really kind of angry in a totally different way. In what way? It's like, what are we supposed to do? It's like, for parents, it's like with the screens and the social media and then the video games and now it's AI and they're talking to AI and then the AI is doing the homework. Like, what are we supposed to do? I'm glad you brought up video games because video games are far more addictive than social media. Yes. Video games are insanely addictive and no one's trying to get rid of them. It's because these things can change the way people think. They can change public opinion and they can move people in certain directions. I attribute it to the rise of, you know, the democratic socialists. I attribute it to the rise. I mean, it's a lot of this manipulation. These ideas, like, people are really getting, oh, maybe being socialist is cool. Like, this is all coming out of social media, 100%. It's not natural that people are, like, sitting around, you know, reading Marx and going, what a great idea. Like, let's implement this. They're not doing that. Very few of these quote-unquote Marxists that you find on social media are even aware of the consequences, the historical consequences of these strategies and what it ultimately leads to, which is like checkers. It's, like, real simple. Like, you're going to have a military that controls everything you do. As soon as you give up everything to the state, well, the state has the guns and you have nothing, and then they tell you what to do. They tell you what to do. It sucks. It doesn't mean that that's the way to do it because capitalism is brutal. Yeah, capitalism needs some fucking guardrails. That's what it is. For sure, everything needs to be, but you've got, like, no, I totally agree. Like, I always joke about it, but it's kind of true, is like Mamdani with the state-run grocery stores. Like, we had that when I was a kid. I literally went to them in Hungary. It was a communist state. There was only state-run grocery stores. I saw them. There's one, like, at the end of the, block where my grandma lived, and I would go there in the morning to get the whatever it was, and it's just terrible. Like, it's really. I'm very torn on social safety nets. I think we should have them because I think a person who's down on their luck where things go wrong, like a woman who has children and her husband dies and she doesn't have an income, and now, oh, my God, I have to feed these children. Yeah, we should have social safety nets. I also think social safety nets encourage people to rely on them, and have zero ambition. I think both those things are true. Well, that's why I'm so. I've always been against. I can see the argument for, but I've always been against this universal basic income type thing. There's an argument for it where it's, like, quite a low level, and the original guy that I think used to argue for that was on the right, Milton Friedman. Yes. And Charles Murray, I think, also argued for it, coming from the right, but their version of it was to replace everything else, so you wouldn't have any. You wouldn't have any other benefits. You wouldn't have any other government services, basically. Right, no Medicaid, no nothing. Nothing, just an amount of money based from. It's very simple, less bureaucratic, and that's it. But this is not what's being argued now. No, I think that would actually probably be, like, financially more efficient because you would radically reduce the amount of government. Exactly, and the bureaucracy. Yes, radically reduce the amount of people that have control over other people. Exactly. And you would say, listen, we're going to cut out the middleman and just give the money to people. Yes, yes. That's not. What a bad idea. So I had a. It was very funny in that, like, you say these things before you ever imagine being a candidate, and they come back and it gets sort of twisted. Part of the problem with welfare is, and this is going to sound completely like I'm contradicting myself, but it's not enough money. You barely live. Well, this is exactly what I was saying. So I was in that book, I think in that book, the 2015 book, More Human, I had this idea based on what you're talking about, which is actually, for a lot of people, things like the minimum wage, for example, is just, you can't live on it, especially like in California now. Right. But in a lot of places, it's so low, the costs are so high, you can't live on it. And there's a lot of people working really hard, like not lazy on the couch playing video, seriously hardworking people, often two jobs, who can't live on what they make. It's like really wrong, I think. If you work so hard, you should be able to live on it. So I had this idea, which was the business-friendly living wage. And the idea was you increase the minimum wage to a living wage which is calculated what do you think that would be well in in cal it's by area it's different everywhere you know in in california in a lot of places it'd be incredibly high you know 30 40 you know a lot of really high level 30 or 40 dollars an hour because you've got now in certain counties in california more than i think it goes up the whole time the official government level for low income is a hundred thousand dollars a year low income isn't that crazy it's crazy because cost when i was a kid if you made a hundred thousand bucks you were killing it i know like my dad makes a hundred grand like whoa okay so when i in my in my campaign i had this like one of my first things was no state income tax under a hundred grand i got the working class tax a lot of people nationally said that's so high why are you rewarding rich people actually the feedback we got in the primary was that's too low and there's a ton of people in california making i don't know 120 that sort of thing who can barely live because everything's so expensive you're in la or somewhere expensive so we've raised it to 150 tax free but going back to the living wage thing that's obviously really tough for a business to pay that kind of level i used to run by ran a restaurant you know you'd be killed by that kind of high thing but at the same time as you've got businesses paying people for full-time work that they can't live on the businesses are also paying taxes payroll tax all this stuff they're paying to the government and then the government is taking it and handing it back to the workers in benefits and welfare so my thing was why don't you just cut out the middleman and and have the businesses pay the workers not the government and then the net effect for business is about the same well that would be the goal so they're paying their workers more is it the same amount like are they literally that doesn't make any sense because like what is minimum wage in california right now well it's just it's just gone up it depends what where you're looking so so fifteen dollars no sixteen and a bit and then for fast food it's 20 and they wanted it for that was a recent thing right and a lot of people pushed back against that and it wound up they wound up cutting a lot of jobs yeah that went through so it's twenty dollars for fast food work and then that immediately cut a bunch of jobs exactly and put in automation and i feel like there's got to be some jobs that are entry-level jobs for kids yes and that's really important they used to be not supposed to make a living off of that you're supposed to be a kid that's learning how to work you show up on time you know you get your paycheck you realize the taxes get cut out of it you're like what exactly all that stuff like it's good for kids to have but once you get past entry-level jobs then okay like if someone's a landscaper or someone's like doing this is a job you work 40 hours a week paying someone fifteen dollars an hour to work 40 hours a week is kind of brutal yeah that's what i'm saying it's horrible exactly you barely can get by but the but because we've built all of this bureaucracy right certainly in cal all i really know is california and just the level of the government in all its forms is so big you're paying all these taxes and the taxes are coming out in all these hidden ways gas taxes housing taxes that they don't call a housing tax but it's there everywhere you look you're paying all these things that they're charging you right but which makes everything more expensive and what what do you get for it this bloated bureaucratic government that's not actually helping it is actually making it harder to run a business harder to build anything and so i think that's and this is the i used to call it this doom loop that the democrats who in charge even they they get it right they get that people are really struggling people can't afford stuff so what's their response oh we gotta you know make give them more welfare benefit we gotta take put taxes up in order to get more money to redistribute but that just makes everything more expensive they never think about well why don't we just cut the costs why don't we just reduce the amount that we're taking so that people can have more yeah but then they would have to cut out their slush fund because that's really what it is it's a big ass big ass slush fund one of the things that we pointed out was that the number of people who are in the slush fund is the number of people who are in the slush fund is the number of people who are in the slush fund is the number of people who people who are in the slush fund is the number of people who are in the slush fund is the number of And here's the most important thing. The homelessness only got worse. Like in the private sector, imagine if you were a CEO of a company that was just losing insane amounts of money and never completing its tasks, never doing the thing that it set out to do. This is the main thing. I think it's like the more I look at it, the more insane it is. And everyone just looks at it and no one's ever pointed this stuff out. Like they all just the government just makes everything so expensive in California. Everyone says, oh, it's so expensive. What are we going to do? We'd better give them more welfare benefits because we better have a billionaire wealth tax. Billionaire wealth tax. Steal money from the richest people without addressing fraud and waste at all. But by the way, the richest people already pay about half the income tax, the top 1%. Yes. So there's a small number of people in California alone that are responsible for an extraordinary amount of the tax base. Yeah. Just a very small. Very small number of people. 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During COVID. I said, I think the mayor should get paid dependent upon the GDP of the city. Yeah. So, like, if the city, like, if you lose 70% of the restaurants, which, like, Los Angeles did during COVID. Yes. Garcetti should have lost 70%. 70% of his paycheck. You should, if you lose, like, 70% of businesses, you should lose 70% of your income. And I guarantee you, they would be more friendly to business if that happened. But this, exactly. And they don't care. And this is what happens. I think when you've got this one-party rule thing that's been going on for 16 years now, they've run everything. They don't care because they think they'll be in power forever. And it just doesn't matter. And it seems like they will. Look what they did to Spencer. I know. It's crazy. And what they did to Spencer Pratt was so transparent that even Democrats admit there's something weird about it. about the fact that Nithya Raman all of a sudden got way more votes than Karen Bass in the mail-ins. And people voted for an increase in taxes. - I know, it's just-- - That doesn't make any sense. Nobody votes for an increase in taxes. - And actually, in recent years in California, anything like that has been voted down. - Right. - And just in the last few years. - And it was only the mail-in ballots that turned it. - Well, this is the-- - You're fucking dirty. - People, well, people bring it up the whole time, and I say, yeah, whatever, they've made it legal, right? This is not illegal. And the scam is so bad, we've looked into a few of these. We were just, you know, through the year, we've been following some of this money. It's just everywhere you look. So cannabis, right, they legalized cannabis, Prop 64 in California. And there's a tax. And the tax is part of the selling it to the public was, we're gonna have the tax, and it's gonna pay for substance abuse prevention. Isn't that nice? - Yeah. - So then they, so we looked into it. $350 million of that goes to this non-profit with some nice sounding name about health. And then you actually track the money. They give out these little grants, million each, million here, 750,000 there, to 500 or so other non-profits. And then you look at what they do. Voter registration, ballot harvesting, all of this shit. I mean, this is what they do. - Stealing money. - And we're paying for it. And there's so many examples. We've just found a few of them. I mean, remember, they've doubled the budget of California, more than in the last 10 years. These are the numbers. This year, the budget is just over 350 billion, the total budget. 10 years ago, it was 170. And everything's worse. - Crazy. - It's so bad. There's my other favorite example. My favorite example is that, and there's so many. I just, every day, you learn about these crazy things. Prisons, right, they've been shutting the prisons, which I totally disagree with, 'cause whatever, that's a different story. But in the time they basically cut the prison population, it's not quite half, but nearly. The budget has doubled. I mean, it's just. - Well, I mean, it's so transparent. Like, look what they did in Los Angeles with the fire relief money. - Yes, yeah, fire aid. That was disgusting. So disgusting. You had people, good-hearted people, wanting to help, their own money. That's supposed to be charity. - Yes. - And it's going into this political slush fund. - It went all of it into non-profits. And not just one non-profit, like 200 different non-profits. - Exactly. - Spencer Pratt laid it all out, like how they did it and what they do. And no money went to anybody who lost their home. - None. - Which should be illegal. - They've legalized all of this. That's the point. And so I always say, yeah, we've got this system, but there's only one answer in advance of being able to get in power and do something about it, is we just gotta get every vote. We've gotta get every vote. And I know, people look at this race and say, well, you're never gonna win, it's hopeless. I don't think that's true. I think that actually people are really pissed off if you give them a sense that we can really, this is not a hopeless cause, and I think we're showing that. We've just gotta, I mean, I've got this guy running against me who's just a complete joke. I mean, he's-- - Who is it? - He's called Javier Becerra. He was Biden's health secretary. He was, I mean, I wanna say one thing before I say the most important thing about him. But since we've just been having a go at him, telling the truth about what he did as Biden's health secretary, his score has been coming down with not that much effort from us. And we don't have money, we're a scrappy startup, right? We've got this big machine. The government unions, they just roll on. He's like, the first poll that came out in the race was just off the primary. It looks, it's over. What's the point? You know, 61, 36. He had 61, I had 36. The next one is like 55, this is just the other week, 55, I think I had 37. There's one we just heard about where the gap's under 10%. So no one wants this to go on in California. There's a majority who want to get rid of this, but it's just been this sense that it's impossible and we just have to put up with it or leave. And I think we gotta, if we change that attitude, I think people are gonna vote this regime out, it's so bad. Anyway, the thing-- - Well, we've seen the map, the electoral map that they put out from 2020 versus 2024. And the difference being, you look at all the counties that went red. - Yeah. - That used to be blue, where people are freaked out. The problem is these high population urban areas where people live in these liberal bubbles, which is Los Angeles, is the craziest version of that. - And Los Angeles County is 23% of the vote in all of California. - Let's put this into perplexity. Ask perplexity, how many people in Los Angeles are on SSRIs? - Okay, I didn't think that's where you would go. - I would like to know. - Okay. - Well, I think there's a lot of people that are, they're medicated. And it's part of what helps them agree to this nonsense is that they're in this zombie catatonic state from antidepressants and antipsychotics and anti-this and anti-that and anxiety medication. And they're fucking cloudy. They don't see things and they're surrounded by this echo chamber of people that only agree with them. No reliable public account of current SSRIs, specifically in Los Angeles. But a reasonable, rough estimate for Los Angeles County is on the order of 500,000 to 700,000 adults, not a precise head count. Now, how many people are in Los Angeles? - There's 10 million in the county. - Okay, I think that's way low. I think that's way low. I bet it's 10 times that. I bet it's everyone. I think, no, all bullshit aside, I bet there's a few million. Los Angeles County has roughly 7.8 to 8 million adults. If about 11 to 17% take antidepressants, roughly 60 to 70% of antidepressant users take an SSRI. The implied range is 530 to 950, so maybe a million. I think it's probably a few million. I know a lot of people that are on them, man. I think it's like more represented in Los Angeles. There's also this idea that you need a medication because you have an imbalance. You need medication. It's really bad. - Well, also the imbalance thing has been disproven. It's not real. That's not what it is. And then there's also, there's a reality of your physical being, okay? If you will live a sedentary lifestyle, you eat terrible food, your physical body is going to feel like shit and you're not gonna be happy. That's just how it works as a human being. - Totally right. - That's it. - It's like if you're feeling down or pissed off, literally, do some exercise. - My friend Hassan Ahmad, you'll see him tonight at the Mothership. He's a hilarious comedian. He has a great bit about the people that are in these commercials that are playing basketball. They take the medication and now they're playing basketball and drinking water and having fun. He goes, "Yeah, that's the actual solution to depression." - Yes. - It's not take the anti-depression. - No, it's totally right. - It's fucking do something athletic. - Yes. - Get active. - 100%. - Drink water. - Go for a walk. - Have a community that you enjoy hanging out with. That's what keeps people from being depressed. - Exactly. - And they've been sold this bill of goods that you have a chemical imbalance in your brain. - Well, that narrative was never supported by science and has now been completely dismissed. - Yeah. - That's not true. - But we're just doing it still. I mean, funnily enough, that was what I, one of the chapters in that book, 2015 book, "More Human" was about health and it was all that. That's what I wrote about, which is, this is crazy. We've got, and in fact, when I was in 10 Downing Street, you know, I was the senior advisor to the prime minister and you're getting, and mainly I focused on domestic policy. That's what I focused on. You're there, you're at, you know, in 10 Downing Street, you get meetings, you can have meetings with, kind of everyone will come in and have a meeting. And I was really focused. We got the National Health Service, which is what the left want here, the Medicare, the single payer healthcare, whatever. That's what there is in the UK. And it's funded by the government, by taxpayers, 100%. And so it's part of the budget, which is one of the problems. It's always competing for money against everything else. And so there's a real, there's a real reason to try and get the cost down because you're funding it out of the budget for everything else. And so health promotion is, or should be a really big part of it. And I wanted to really do much more on that, that you should actually use the National Health Service to try and make people healthy, instead of all the sickness stuff. So I had all these meetings trying to understand, you know, the Royal College of this, the Royal College of that, all the cancer people, all they all came in. It was so hilarious. And after kind of months of these meetings of like, what do we need to do to make people healthy? It's the simple, basic things in the end. What you just said, it's like diet, nutrition, exactly. Eat healthy, take exercise, sleep enough, moderate. - Drink a lot of water. - Exactly, all of those things, like all these geniuses of science and whatever. And I said, honestly, it's so basic. But then I was just seeing today, there's this awful story. About the mother who killed the children. Awful story, the mother. And she had really bad depression, postpartum depression, and was asking for help and all this. And they just kept giving her this medication. And she was saying, I think there were texts to her mother saying, this new medication they've got me on is really making me feel even more anxiety. And I don't know what's going on. Help, help, help. And they showed all the medication she was on in the run up to this. It's shocking, like so shocking. Just the amount of stuff they're loading her up with that must have sent her over the edge. 100%. I mean, when you look at the commercials for these things, and then you see the possible side effects, like who in their right mind would take something for depression, which has side effects, which causes suicidal ideation? What? I thought you were curing depression. Your side effect is I might want to. Kill myself? Like, it's like, this is a cure for depression, too. Blow your brains out. No more depression. Yeah. Like, it's a cartel. It's a cartel in the United States. I mean, it is a sanctioned tax. It's publicly traded. It's a fucking cartel. And they buy off politicians, and they pass through regulations. The thing I see, not just on this, but on everything, again, it's just an eye opener. I kind of suspected it. But when you see just how cynical it is, this kind of corrupt, I don't know what you want to call it, machine politics, I don't know, in Sacramento, where they literally buy what they want. They buy the legislators that pass the bills that help their interest, whatever it is. And that's why nothing really changes. And no one knows what's going on. No one follows. There's all these laws they pass that end up with things happening in the real world that a normal person would say, how the fuck did that happen? Exactly. Well, three years ago, someone put in a bill that was probably written by the lobbyist for whoever it was. Even the legislator who put their name on it probably never read it. And then suddenly it's the law, and all these bad things happen. And that's what's going on. Now, what could you do differently if you get an office? How much of this crazy, entangled machine can you unwind? Let's imagine. Yeah, yeah, not all of it. No, I've thought about it. People wake up, they go, Steve Hilton's making a lot of sense. Let's vote him in. And then even the liberals secretly run out and vote you in. It's got to be too big to rig, because that's the thing. Yes, exactly. Because the mail-in ballots. By the way, can you believe, and I will get into it, but did you see Kamala Harris the other day? No. She was at some conference or whatever. Doing her sort of, maybe I'll run for president again. Yeah, good luck. I know. The last one was pretty successful for only spending $1.4 billion. I know, she's very good candidate. She lost every single swing state. It's very funny. I sort of talk about it a lot, because my guy, Becerra, he was asked the same question that she was asked. Do you remember when she went on The View? Right, right. And it was like, what would you do differently? And she said, oh, nothing comes to mind. Nothing comes to mind. Really? You haven't thought? So he was asked. Becerra, my opponent, and he was on CNN. The guy says, look, it's obvious things aren't going well. To be fair, the interviewer said, look, we got the highest, he listed a few of the things, highest unemployment rate in America. Which, by the way, no one can believe, but we have the highest unemployment rate of all 50 states. Highest poverty rate, cost of living is a nightmare. You know, what would you have done differently? He says, well, it can't be that bad, because people are still coming to Disneyland and the beaches. That's what he said. And then he said, well, so no policy changes? No. Anyway, Kamala was at this thing the other day, and she starts talking about the election and how, and I don't know if she wasn't aware that Trump and MAGA had this slogan that was a massive part of their thing. So she starts saying it as if it was a completely new thing. She said it the other day. You know, the thing that we have to do is make sure we get a really, you know, we've got to get everybody, you know, to coin a phrase, we have to make it too big to rig. Like she said it. No way. She said it. No way. Yeah. So she's alleging that it was rigged the last time? I have no idea what she's talking about. Like, I don't know what amount of election fraud there is, but it's not zero. It's not zero. It's never been zero. And the real weird one for me was how many more votes Biden got in 2020 than any other president ever. We have a lot of work to do because, you know, these folks are cheating. They're trying to rig the system. They're trying to draw maps, all of it. What? You mean stuff that the Democrats have already done? It's so hilarious. This is crazy. We have to make it too big to rig. We have to turn out in big numbers, jump all over these obstacles they're trying to throw our way. What are you saying? Like, how are they cheating? Like, how is she alleging they're cheating? The idea that that's the best they can do is so insane. It's so wild. It's so wild. And it's because if you want to run for politician, if you don't follow their narrative and their plan to a fucking T, they're going to come for you. And they're going to destroy you. And it's usually some creepy sexual thing. They're going to find someone who says that you did something to them in college or high school or whatever it is. And they'll come up with as many things and throw them your way, as many things as they can find. And they get rid of you. And they get rid of all of them. Well, we'll see. I mean, lucky they don't think I've got any chance of winning. I think that's why they haven't done that. But just on that, though, it's interesting. It makes me think. This whole system, this corrupt thing that I've encountered. And I don't want to lose your question about what I would do. I've thought about that a lot. But it just it's a it's sort of amazing, but not amazing. I knew it was like this, but to see it is something else. The scale of it. Yes. So even things you might not imagine, like, OK, a couple of you. So there's the Chamber of Commerce. Right. It's called Cal Chamber in California. And it's all the big businesses. And look, it's a. Running a business in California is an absolute nightmare. That's why they're all leaving. That's why Elon left. That's why so many companies. They lost in and out. And every day there's a new one that's announced. And then every day I meet business owners, big, small, medium, all who say we're just hanging on to see if you can make it. And if you don't, we're out. Right. Every day. Chief Executive Magazine has an annual survey of businesses. Business conditions. But like, yeah, I think it was out in April. California, 50th out of 50 states. OK. And I think it's been like that for 12, 13 years. So it's like a disaster that what's going on. The Becerra who's running against 50th out of 50 states for business climate. So Alaska is better. Every state in America is better. North Dakota, South Dakota, Florida, Tennessee. All right. So you would think you would think that when you've got a choice between two people. Right. One of whom explicitly says, I'm not going to change anything. That's Becerra and me, who's someone with business. Most of my career has been in business. When you do the ballot, you're allowed three words to describe yourself. I actually wanted to do it fairly because I've done a bunch of different things. And so I went through every year since I left Oxford 1990s, 36 years. And the majority of my career has been in business and most of those years running my own businesses. So I. I put small business. That's the three small business owner and. Like in a choice between that, you would think the California Chamber of Commerce, which represents business, would obviously want the guy who's pro-business instead of the guy who's going to keep up this. Anyway, we have this. There's the money still there for now, and they're getting that money. Well, there is this kind of. Yes, it's all of that. Crowd, right? And we have these endorsement meetings and then they pick him. They that they endorse the other guy and then they say, we think that statement was so full of shit. It was like, oh, we it's time for unifying, blah, blah, some completely bullshit political thing. Not, of course, because I went in there and I said, we got to change direction. These policies are hurting business, whatever. I just said what I think. And they went for him because they all they actually care about. It's the power and they think he's going to win. And so they want to be in with him. Yeah. And then the other one that was like that that was in a way even more shocking was the police. So the police, whatever it's called, police, poor act, the police officers, the association, something, their union, that same kind of thing, they you go to them and you try and get their endorsement. I, by the way, I said at the beginning of this whole process, it's a waste of time because they they they will only. care about their thing that they want to get more money for whatever it is and so i don't want to give them that because that's wrong and so they won't endorse me i'm just telling you sure enough we have this meeting and i'm completely on the side of the law and order thing it's gone crazy the defund the police um the insanity of how they deal with crime we got to reverse all that prison closures all these things um and he's not said anything about that he's just more of the same insanity they endorse him and then they told us why because he promised to deliver on the one thing they really cared about which is some bill that would increase their pensions why don't you agree to that bill because we the the the pension one of the reasons that the taxes are so high and the and and the everything is like for example you look at schools um everywhere i go parents are saying what's going on we pay the highest taxes anywhere like state income tax property tax all these taxes and then we we have to pay the schools are asking us to pay for like basic supplies like paper books like cleaning materials and and the lottery money is supposed to go to schools as well and they're saying what is going on parents are really furious about it one of the reasons is because of the way they've done the pensions for the teachers you know you want people to have good retirement that's true but like a fifth i think is about a fifth of the money before it's even spent in the schools goes to the pensions it's a really really bad situation i'm torn because i think they deserve pensions particularly the police um and i think i'd like to know what percentage of the budget i mean think about listen let's let's talk about money that's gone to places where it vanished like the homeless 24 billion dollars yeah at least at least and uh even though they've tried to get an audit of it newsome vetoed that stopped them he vetoed it exactly twice right and and and in la there was a parallel in la there was a lawsuit that ended up with the judge demanding a similar audit and the estimate was just for la it was two billion and karen bass vetoed the order in la let's imagine that two billion instead went to fund the police yes better training you know better conditions better morale better pensions higher quality of people that you're hiring totally agree with that we need to massively increase the numbers of police right now imagine what an impact that would have on the encampments on enforcing these laws like you already have laws they're just not enforcing 100 you're not supposed to the homeless encampments are illegal they're illegal that's all you're saying my first point on my plan is enforce the law they're illegal well imagine what it's done to real estate in downtown you know it was the downtown real estate group business group that filed that lawsuit that i was talking about for la exactly los angeles is the only place in the country that has a useless downtown it's amazing one of the biggest cities in the and i forgive i mean forgive me if you have a great business in downtown and you love the funky aspect of being there's wonderful restaurants in downtown i've traveled to them but it's sketchy it's i took my kids once to get donuts in downtown and we were walking on the street and like every step of the way you're like uh is this guy gonna attack us is that guy crazy i literally had it the other night we got in from somewhere down to staying downtown right by city hall um and got in quite late i wanted something to eat the hotel didn't have anything whatever and so i just walk around it's a saturday night about it's not super late it's like eight nine p.m it's just unbelievable zombies zombies the stink of like feces yeah i mean it's disgusting shit and piss everywhere and it's a public health problem and you walk around and you think how is this possible it's the second city of america we're the richest country in the world this is and we're the richest state i mean you're being ripped off like that and and this is what we end up with let's talk about just but i agree with you on the on the police the i mean lapd is saying that by the time the olympics is two years away they will have half the number of officers that they should have half and yet our taxes are the highest in the country that's great they've just they've just increased the taxes in la local sale up sales tax gone up what i was getting to was imagine skid row so skid row is roughly 50 something blocks right yeah so 50 blocks where no one wants to buy a building where no one wants to put up a business no one wants to lease a building for 10 years if if it's you've got encampments right in front of it like what you can't even clean them up you can't tell them to move you can't ask them to not shit on your porch it's just unbelievable there's nothing you could do so just think about all the tax revenue that's being lost all the business being lost and all of those areas in downtown that is completely unsafe and contaminated it's it's just unbelievable the last time i went i've been a few times we went with this i don't know i they they destroyed the word non-profit now i don't even want to say that like an actual charity like a really nice a real one a real one who's done beautiful work it started off they were trying to save the dogs and what they're doing with the dogs is just unbelievable using the dogs to test their drugs they use the dogs to make sure the drugs don't have just disgusting anyway so they started off with that it was just a woman who's driving by and saw a dog in distress this is a and around that has built this beautiful charity it's going there we were there on a sunday they're giving out clothes and stuff trying to help people and she knows all the people but this time for some reason i was even more infuriated than before because it's like if you're the mayor of la or the governor of california and this is going on what are you doing how can you do anything else right before cleaning this up it's so what was there when they got there and it's sort of accepted that skid row in particular is always disgusting it's so bad it's been bad for a long time yeah you know i did fear factor in downtown la we we filmed a lot of our episodes in downtown la because there was a lot of abandoned buildings because it's skid row that's a big part of it but also los angeles lost a lot of its manufacturing just kind of like evaporated for whatever reasons so uh one time i was driving home and i took the wrong turn and i was like what the fuck is this and it was just an entire street filled with people in cardboard boxes and tents and garbage everywhere just piles everywhere i was like this is great and this was like 2004 yeah 2005 maybe yeah it was bad back then it's just tucked away into this old place yeah we looked at it um there was a documentary about the cecil hotel because there was a woman who drowned in one of the tanks and apparently they thought that she was murdered but then when they got the surveillance footage it seems like she had a schizophrenic episode she stopped taking her medication and she jumped into the tank and drowned in there so it was this whole thing of what the cecil hotel used to be like and that these people that come from other countries they go oh we're gonna rent this hotel in downtown l.a must be nice it's a historic hotel it's been around since 1835 or whatever the fuck it is like oh this should be great and then you get there you're like holy fuck you're in the middle of skid row and it was part of the documentary it was explaining how bad this area got it's so bad and and it's the also there's something about the they're just the squalor the filth the the just this total disrespect they have medieval diseases that are emerging yeah we haven't seen in like a hundred years it's unbelievable and i just think that it's amazing to me it's truly amazing that that this just rolls on and like nothing happens right it's not a state and national emergency scandal of the highest proportion you know but no one goes there right that's the thing as long as it stays contained is this this was what this documentary was alleging is that the practice of moving people to skid row started a long time ago and what it was is to clean up los angeles and beverly hills they'd find vagrants they'd grab them bring them to downtown drop them off there that's how it got started and then they kept them there they literally contained them there yeah but not anymore i mean you don't see it everywhere well they don't have to because now they know this is the place where you can go and you can get drugs and you can get food and you get drugs from the government i mean that's the point the government gives them drugs yes they do from this what's called you know this harm reduction they call it what do they get what drugs they give um they're opioids they give them opioids as a substitute for fentanyl so what kind of opioids i don't know exactly like methadone or which is not really technically an opiate i can't remember but we went there um they wouldn't let us in actually we tried to film inside there's a guy just uh did get inside christopher ruffo from manhattan institute and and he got and he made a film about the crack pipes they're giving out or whatever they give out crack yeah he did a little i mean i don't know if that was a he made of i don't know how sweet i didn't see it myself caring for those people but it's just ridiculous you've got but it's everywhere it's not just skid that's the thing that's so like this i mean i'm on the road the whole time i see the whole state like probably not many people do and just there's something about the degradation the squalor in so many places not everywhere of course it's beautiful i love california it's amazing hills is gorgeous still there's still a lot of places yeah but there's a whole lot more breaking and entering exactly a whole lot more home invasions the home invasion is a huge thing i mean that's why we one of the things again we're just trying to make a difference here you know you've got um one particular thing with these home invasions they're all wearing masks now it's like a really big part which that didn't used to be the case and so we've been working on a plan that if you get enhancements for your sentencing just for covering yourself up because we've got to try and they just like they know there's no interest in trying to not only that there seems to be an interest in letting people out of jail who've committed violent crimes which i would only do if i wanted to destroy a city it's crazy if you wanted to destroy a city you would do it exactly the way they're doing it and then you would hire the most progressive da's who are willing to let people out no matter what and then you use a bunch of words like racism systemic racism whatever discrimination this is the reason why this is the reason why mike has robbed 99 people over the last 12 years and and well the one thing that's good news though is the new da is pretty good nathan that's good he's good he's good i supported him he's i saw him the other night so he's really doing a good job shows that you can make a change actually right um i mean look he's up against a whole system in the political system which is still captured by that kind of insane ideology and so much of the what you see going wrong in california is exactly that is ideology over anything that's practical yes yeah and it's also you have to adhere to the narrative yes or you will be punished and so everyone's scared so they say a bunch of things that they you know yeah they they think make sense there was a really like unbelievable example of it there was a a democrat state legislator i think somewhere like santa cruz somewhere like that this is a couple of years ago who voted the wrong way on a bill that one of the government unions was pushing i can't remember the details but it was that he like offended the maybe it's the university teacher something like that um a democrat and then they then funded the campaign of the republican just to teach them not to step out of line it's amazing just well there's a bunch of republicans that you know they like to call rhinos you know that right you know republican and name only there's a lot of those folks that it's they're basically trojan horses you know like i i think we have a real problem in this country where there's only two parties you know i i just i i think it's crazy there's so many people like me for instance that agree with a lot of the things that the left pushes and agree with many of the things that the right pushes but things that some of the things the right pushes are fucking ridiculous and some of the things that the left pushes are fucking ridiculous and some of the things that the right pushes are fucking ridiculous and some of the things that the right pushes are fucking ridiculous but you have two choices ridiculous but you have two choices yeah and you're defined by the worst members yeah and you're defined by the worst members yeah and you're defined by the worst members of each party you're doing yeah no i see all of each party you're doing yeah no i see all of each party you're doing yeah no i see all that the dumbest maga people versus the that the dumbest maga people versus the that the dumbest maga people versus the fucking you know the portland people it's fucking you know the portland people it's fucking you know the portland people it's like these are these are your options you like these are these are your options you like these are these are your options you have to be completely ridiculous people have to be completely ridiculous people have to be completely ridiculous people who believe in non-binary folk and then who believe in non-binary folk and then you've people that are you know think you've people that are you know think you've people that are you know think this is a christian nation and we should this is a christian nation and we should this is a christian nation and we should kick out all the muslims like yeah so we kick out all the muslims like yeah so we kick out all the muslims like yeah so we it's it's interesting because i thought it's it's interesting because i thought it's it's interesting because i thought about this when about this when about this when not not that i didn't think about it not not that i didn't think about it not not that i didn't think about it that much but there are a few people's that much but there are a few people's that much but there are a few people's because i think for what i'm about to say because i think for what i'm about to say because i think for what i'm about to say it say what i think but um i exactly it say what i 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fantastic yeah he's He's great. And he ran for governor twice as an independent. Yeah. And I remember, you know, I tried to help. I put him on my shirt. I think he knew he wasn't going to win. Do you think that was the. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's good for his career. Oh, okay. And it gives him an opportunity to speak his mind. He says a lot of very, very interesting and intelligent things. Yes. He's great. Yeah. I mean, he's great at exposing a lot of horseshit. Yeah. You know, he's really good at that. And he's very meticulous. He's a good journalist. No, I'm really doing it because I don't laugh. I really believe that I can win, for real. Well, you might be able to because California is that fucked. California is that fucked that I think there's a lot of. Look, we lived in a very liberal area when I lived in California. Everyone was very liberal. And it was normal. It was like it was normal liberal, like what it used to mean. Like you believed in gay rights. You believed in women's rights. You believed in civil rights. Normal stuff. You believed in a social safety net. Normal stuff. Like that's. That was what it used to mean to be a liberal. Bill Clinton liberal. That's right. From like the 90s. If you listen to Bill Clinton talk today, he sounds like he's running for a Republican. And on immigration, have you seen these clips that people got? He's more MAGA. Hillary Clinton was the most MAGA. All right. She literally. There's one the other day where she was. That I hadn't seen before, which was so. It's like we can't have all these illegal immigrants and we have to. And it was about the health care. We can't be giving free health care. We can't be giving health care to illegal immigrants because we cannot have incentives for more illegal immigrants to come. Republican talking point. Amazing. Crazy. But it just shows you it's all bullshit. It's not real. Like this idea that if you're on the left, you're supporting science. You're supporting civil rights. You're supporting. They're telling you that to get your vote so they can steal money. That's all it is. As soon as you accept that, you realize like, oh, both parties are completely full of shit. They just fuck you in different ways. There's definitely. One thing I've noticed, there's in. Yeah, in the most of. In Sacramento, in the legislature, they've. I think they're just. I don't know. Either they don't believe it or they've just been beaten down. And so you've had this. They've just gone along with it. But actually now, you've got a few Republicans in California and they're friends of mine and we're working together. You wouldn't have heard of any of them. You know, people like Carl DeMaio, David Tangipa, Ali Macedo, the new leader in the Assembly. Really, actually have got this. You know, we're real kind of friends and allies in fighting back against the corruption. That's the big thing, I think, that you learn when you. Is the interest groups, the big business, the big unions, they just completely captured the government. And I think it's fair to say the Republicans have been part of that. But there's a group of us now who really don't buy it. And we're fighting back. I think we can make a big difference. If we get. You know, if we can. They've got a two-thirds majority in the legislature. They call it a super majority. It's been like that for more than 10 years. So they can do whatever they want, the Democrats. And the Republicans have been kind of irrelevant. If we can just, you know, win a few more seats so they don't have a super majority. And if I can get elected. And then we can start to chip away at it, for sure. I think it's important to not let either party have confidence. Complete and total control. That's exactly right. And I don't think it's. Exactly right. I don't think this is just the Democrats. I think if the Republicans are in the same position, we have another unique set of corruption and problems that would be similar. And they'd be finding other ways to steal money. I mean, this is the fundamental. I 100% agree. I mean, that's what I say to Democrats. And we can see it in some of the numbers. I'm doing well with independents. We're getting Democrats come to my events. And one of the things I say is, like, it's just not healthy to have one. It's just not healthy to have one party running everything. And for the last 16 years, in California, they've had all the statewide elected positions, governor and the other ones, attorney general, whatever, two-thirds majority majority. both legislative chambers every big city every big county the state supreme court six one democrat appointees they just rubber stamp what whatever they want and it's just not healthy and it gets into this mentality of arrogance where they just feel they can do whatever they want and no one's ever gonna you know stop them yeah that's where we're at and again if the republicans were in the same position of power you'd have another different set of problems that was probably very similar because it's just how people operate when there's when they have control when they have complete it's just like if you have an authoritarian government yes that's exactly right similar kind of a situation you have no no one's challenging your position of power and you get to do whatever you want to do and then you have a bunch of people that funded your campaign and giving you a bunch of money and then they're helping you out with this and business deals to your uncle and this and that yeah well you see right you saw it just now in hungary with victor orban so i know hungary well because it's my family still live there and finally if it's 16 years he was in power same amount of time as the democrats in california and by the end it's all exactly what you're talking about like just unbelievable levels of corruption yeah and it's always if if they have total control they're going to be corrupt especially if they don't have any oversight if they can just get away with it like this homeless thing where they've lost the 24 billion dollars and the governor could say nope don't look into that stamp you can veto that how are you how is that legal how is it legal that you could veto something yeah and actually the amazing thing about that is that it was even the the democrat super majority the part that did that right so the process was the state auditor it was a republican legislator that asked the state auditor to look at it so it's initiated by a republican state auditor publishes the report 24 billion missing the legislature as a whole which is two-thirds democrat run said we need a proper audit it was these guys it was the democrats it was everyone crazy yeah because those democrats weren't completely corrupt it's amazing you know you'd have to be completely corrupt to not look into that i know it's amazing and then then the bullshit excuse that they come oh it's not necessary because of like oh it's not necessary to look at where 24 billion dollars went and not just didn't work but homelessness increased by a substantial margin well because the money but the answer to the question is very obvious i mean when we say you that term homeless industrial complex yeah what is it you look at it it's basically got two parts to it you got the non-profits like we talked about that just keep getting the money for you know they've actually made it illegal to solve the problem so they've no it's not i'm not joking they've it's illegal to for the state money to go to any of these organizations that require any kind of response from the homeless person so you can't require uh addiction treatment recovery anything like that job training nothing it's illegal it's called housing first so like obviously when you've got 80 and the fentanyl is a really big part the idea that it's a housing issue is so preposterous too so you get so you've got the non-profits but then the other part of it which is where actually the bulk of the money's going are these crony developers there are there's a very small group of developers house builders that build these apartment units they called it permanent supportive housing the other you know shelter and they're they're charging up to i mean a low ball estimate about 600 000 there are some in la in the bay area that are 900 000 a million dollars per unit to build right i've got a friend of mine who's a real estate agent and he's a real estate agent that builds apartments in the bay area right you know he said without all the government bullshit that goes around it the layers of nonsense that they put in if it's taxpayer money the union contracts that you've got to use this kind of material the environmental all this stuff you could build it for a quarter like 250 000 per door they call it four times as much that's where the money's going and then you get the unit whatever they put the homeless person in there who's still addicted to fentanyl and as i went again with a real charity in venice we went around a guy who's a recovered addict recovering addict and 23 years clean and he's actually trying to help people he actually hired you know he rents airbnbs and he does group recovery and they have a you know recovery program they do together he says like these guys that are getting the permanent supportive housing it's like a second home because they're going back to the street to buy drugs deal drugs because they're addicts yeah and you're not changing the behavior they're addicts and they're mentally ill and so there's a massive influx of homeless people during the reagan administration where they kind of like open the doors of the mental institution say well we're not going to fund this anymore which is for public health and safety that is a fucking terrible idea yeah and they but then the other thing about that i completely agree is that that they then that's been incorporate that idea that you can't have um mental institutions insane asylums there's this kind of general sense that that's barbaric and you don't want people in these institutions and it's better to have them cared in the community so that's incorporated into medicaid and so often with government you've got to look at the money flows and one of the things that's still there is this rule called imd institutions of mental disease and the imd rule is that there's no reimbursement from federal medicaid to any treatment that happens in a facility with more than 16 beds it's a very specific limit 16 beds because they don't it's all based on this philosophy of we don't want big mental institutions okay so that means that there's no incentive to have modern large-scale mental health care because that's all these small things because you don't get any money back i think people are also rightly suspicious of the potential for a medical health industrial complex definitely and then think of how many people imagine if they could just like have you ever seen that video of there's a guy who gets pulled over and the cops on the spot tell him that he's been evaluated as being mentally unwell and he needs to come in and the guy is completely calm and rational when he's talking to him and he's like well make an appointment and i'll go and get evaluated and he's like no we're going to bring you in he's like what do you what do you what are you saying well you've been deemed unwell he's like by who i don't have there's no ruling against me it's really interesting so apparently there's more to it um and this video went viral apparently there have been some videos of this guy where he posted online where he's acting kind of loony uh i saw a couple of them i was like yeah that's a little problem a little problematic but could also be he's acting out on camera i don't know if he's doing this in real life like just because someone's doing it in videos so like a lot of people yeah act out in video just for attention or maybe that's how he blows off steam says wild shit like you know we need to eat the earth or i don't know what the fuck he's saying so there's but the video is very disturbing because in that moment if these police officers in canada are supposed to be evaluating someone who doesn't have an official psych evaluation where he's been brought in and they just said you know you have to be institutionalized so that hasn't happened and so this guy over and based on his interaction with them he is completely calm and rational in fact like charitably so because they're saying something fucking totally preposterous and he's not yelling he doesn't raise his voice he's coherent he's articulate i want you to watch it because it's kind of crazy jamie i'm sure you could find it that's really terrifying uh but let's just look at the actual video itself because the video itself is bizarre because without any context and again i think there is some context there have been some videos where he acted nutty and this guy might just be manic depressive where he's capable of keeping it together like to pretend he's normal when the cops are there but then as soon as he's on his own as no one's watching me goes insane that is possible but what were they did they have any prior knowledge of him what was that based on they were someone had told them that he's off the rails so they went in to go get him but the thing is shouldn't there be like some sort of an official psychiatric evaluation conservative influencer ah he's a conservative instrument being held captive in canadian okay well let's let's watch the video put your headphones on because the video is kind of kooky and this is dr emery he's a resident psychiatrist uh senior resident he's on a rotation with the car 87 we're part of the a program that includes vancouver coastal health and um uh the vancouver police and uh what we do is we go to people uh when um there's different reasons that come up every case is a little different and we go to people to see them where they are um especially if there's been issues with trying to find them and talk to them so in in your case um i think you were certified under the mental health act just i don't know how long ago but like maybe three weeks ago or four weeks ago were you aware of that dr taylor saw you in a cafe he didn't certify you i think you filmed part of it yeah okay and this is dr emery he's a record family um got some more information and um you know you're gonna have to turn that off just once one sec um what the officer just told me is that um you know you and i can set up a meeting and we can chat then so why don't we do that okay yeah i'm not turning the camera off i have a legal right to keep the camera on if you don't want to make the appointment now we can do it at another time but um i you know that's what the officer just asked that we do so why don't we do that so i'm going to certify you under the mental health act we're going to bring you to hospital do testing on you and um you're going to talk to a psychiatrist in a controlled environment because we don't believe that you're going to attend an appointment you've been i've never been given a chance to attend an appointment so he's certified i've never been uh and then i've never been given a chance to attend an appointment what is going on i haven't i was never given a psyche val or nothing he just looked at me and said you're certified okay so i don't know why but it's up to the doctor so if you but no he didn't even give me a he didn't even give me a chance to attend an appointment so i've never been given a chance to attend an appointment so he just looked at me and said i'm certified man please please consider what you're doing and please think about the fact that i'm more than happy to come in for an appointment i'm happy to go through and do everything properly okay i just i've been completely compliant with everything yes you've been really good at me nicholas but listen that's his call and unfortunately he hasn't he hasn't talked to me you're interacting with me at a very regular i've never been given a chance so i had some eggs and stuff for breakfast this morning so i had to tape this up because my window didn't have drapes and so all night there's just light beaming into my room so i couldn't sleep last night so i demanded that they give me tape and stuff to put on my window so that i could sleep tonight i'm like one of the only rooms that has no drapes oh my god shangri-la baby so i had how fucking strange this is crazy strange so here's the thing like this doctor ran into him somewhere yeah and said i'm certifying you based on what right and is he really a conservative influencer or is that a narrative like i don't understand what that means like if you are quote-unquote conservative and you have a thousand people on your instagram and you rant and rave you know in a manic depressive manner is that are you a conservative influencer now or is that like rage bait to get them to say like but here's the thing like canada has socialized medicine and they also have insane government ovary exactly and if there was someone who was a rabble rouser online and that person happened to be acting a little kooky wouldn't that be a great time but meanwhile how many fucking liberal this is vancouver which is like portland on steroids like how many kooky fucking people on the left are being pulled into mental hospitals and making these similar videos fucking zero which is a little odd but it doesn't mean that this guy's not a little off the rails because the videos that i saw see if you can find some videos of him off they might have been pulled from the internet but a bunch of people were saying hold on uh there's more to this and they were showing some of the here's the other problem i don't know if those videos are real those videos could be ai you know in this day and age it's almost impossible to tell you could say you have video of this guy you'd say have this guy screaming shit stuff about needing a vagina in the middle of his back or go you could have anything you could say anything this episode is brought to you by simply safe think back 20 years home security meant blaring alarms few surveillance cameras but not much has changed since but crime isn't going away anytime soon so it's good to be prepared with the best of the best like simply safe 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slides and structured reports get started at chat gpt.com by selecting work mode available on plus and pro plans but this is why you've got to be so careful about um authoritarianism creeping into government yes it really is that right there first of all i don't like his backseat all that shit boxes and stuff exactly that looks a little kooky like that fits that he might be losing his marbles if he's got you know stacks of stuff unless he's like leaving an office and moving stuff and putting in his backseat temporarily it's a weird sign when the entire backseat is filled with boxes and trash you might be losing your marbles um but he did sound like there's no in my eyes listening to him talk there's no indication that this guy's a threat to himself and he must be institutionalized that guy's more than capable of speaking in a very rational manner so even if he's nuts he's not that nuts there's a lot of nutty yes much more dangerous there's to me this is very like we're talking about the medicalization and everything and there's a trend here of this inhumanity that is really really dark i mean did you see the um i don't know if you followed the back and forth on you know with the ai guys on um regulating ai and whether ai is positive or negative that whole debate which uh which did you see amadei the anthropic guy what did he just in the last few days there was this he he was it was i think it was on on one of the other on all in that's right someone someone was talking about him wanting to have government like hyping up the doom scenario from from from ai these guys that are hyping up the doom of ai are the actual people that were working on it this is what daria amadei who's the ceo and the founder of anthropic and he replied and so the argument was he's hyping it up because he wants regulation government regulation that will protect the kind of big incumbents against you know competition that was the argument and then he replied to the argument by saying he's had some stuff about regulation then is he did long posts on x and the first one was about the regulation the second one was about actually i'm not that i'm not mr doom when it comes to ai i've always said it can be really positive and one of the things he pointed to was this essay that he wrote called machines of love and grace 14 000 words and that was his response to like being characterized as mr negative when you look at this thing it's so dark like he's going on about well there'll be no um we can foresee a time when human beings can't make useful contributions to the economy um and the people won't have much to do and then they can play video games and then at one point there's the thing that made me think of it um when he was raising well what a kid's gonna do and there's he starts going about we have things like ritalin and we know how to medicate people when they're depressed so it's fine if they don't have a sense of ritalin if they don't have a sense of worth we'll numb them literally that's what he wrote yeah and and that's what he pointed to as him being mr positive it's just terrifying so this is recently this is last within the last week okay and what is his position in the company ceo is the founder of anthropic like the main the big two the programmers though are the ones that are leaving and writing poetry they're oh interesting giving up on society and they're they're hiding and waiting you know you hear about there's one lead programmer that read he wrote some like a basically a statement as he was leaving explaining the impending doom that is coming to civilization and how he's checking out and he's gonna ride it out and see what happens but he left the united states i think he went to ireland or somewhere like that okay he said he's gonna write poetry okay like okay like i mean this is an existential crisis this guy's happening having while he's working he's working on it working on this thing and realizing this thing is conscious well that's one of the things that i feel is so odd about the the two that have been most negative are um amadei dario amadei's they're the most negative or have been um and if you believe half the things they're saying they're like well why are you doing it then if you think this is the end of the human whatever i know they have dialed it back a bit but why would you keep building something did you see when when peter teal got asked whether or not the human race should survive what did he say he paused for like fucking 15 seconds like um i didn't read this but i mean she - The university says that the mention of Ritalin is a good thing. We figured out how to improve ourselves with things like Ritalin, and using AI could potentially make it even better. I mean, come on. That AI will make Ritalin even better so we'll just be on awesome drugs? No, yeah, that we'll find better versions of drugs that are better than Ritalin. So instead of people finding meaning and purpose in life, it's just not how it's being talked about. Well, what is he saying? He says using Ritalin is not in the nothing-to-do and work and meaning discussion. It appears that speculation is just about the future of neuroscience. Oh, I see what you're saying. So what they're saying, they're talking about increasing the potency or making these things more effective for mental health interventions using AI. Okay, so he argues that AI-driven biology could enable much greater cognitive and mental health interventions than those available today. That's really wonderful if true, right? Like, I personally know people that have been saved by SSRIs. Like, I'm not a blanket SSRIs are bad. I have a friend that was severely depressed. He's suicidal, and I got him a psychiatrist, and he eventually got his life back in gear, weaned himself off him, and now he's great. So, like, who knows? That guy could have made a hasty decision and taken his own life, and if he was in Canada, they might have probably fucking encouraged it, right? So he's fine now. It's just the problem is they're ridiculously over-prescribed, and there's another solution. The other solution is a natural human solution that doesn't involve medication. It involves exercise and nutrition and community, and we can all encourage that, for free, you know. You can fucking do push-ups and bodyweight squats. It doesn't cost you a nickel. You don't have to go to a pharmacy. Like, all these things are already here. Like, why are we developing addictive chemical solutions? - Yes. - Because they're all addictive, every one of them. I have a good buddy right now who got off of them. He was doing great, and now he's back on them again because he's just, he's fucked. His system's fucked because he's been on it for 20 years, and it's scary because I know it. Because I know people that have been on them that have done rash things, and they just, they don't feel like they are themselves anymore. And then there's also the weird sexual side effects, the numbness of the genitals, inability to have orgasms. There's a lot of fucking weird shit attached to it when there's another solution. - That's what's so. - Here's some interesting context. According to Snopes, that guy was arrested after he posted this. - Oh, the Vancouver thing. - After he posted what? - This document. - This is not solicitation. If you find this document unattended, do not remove it from the property where it was placed unless you're the owner of said property. Removing this document would make you criminally liable for indictable offense, carrying a penalty of up to 10 years in prison. So what is this document? - So it's on Google Docs. It's just the brief explanation. It's talking about how China and Canada are corrupt and making a dictator police state. - It says China and the corrupt Canadian government are trying to turn Vancouver into a dictatorship police state. China's been classified as high-risk adversary by all long-term police. China's been classified as high-risk adversary by all long-term democratic security alliances, NATO, NORAD, the Five Eyes Alliance, the Canadian Center for Cybersecurity, even Carney himself during elections. Carney has committed treason via secret Chinese policing and law enforcement MOU, illegal Chinese police stations in Vancouver, selling Vancouver to China via the Aboriginal people's UNDRIP. Well, is he right? - So that's right. I have no idea if he's right or not, but it was saying he was not maybe an influencer, but a commentator. He had like 67,000 followers. He had like 67,000 followers on Instagram. - Oh, and this could be why they're saying he's nuts. - Right, I guess. - Because he's uncovering some shit that's probably going on. - I was gonna say, though, this is not exactly out of the mainstream to be. Listen, the fucking mayor of Arcadia in California, they just found out was a Chinese spy. The mayor of a city in California. - Well, just today, there was more about Swalwell and Fang Fang, the Chinese spy. - Yeah. - The guy wanted to be governor, and he's like shacked up with a spy. - I wanted to make the joke. - Like doggy. - So the very first debate, the very first TV debate, you know, you're kind of getting ready. And I really wanted to make a sort of Fang Fang, Bang Bang joke. Bang, no, Fang Fang Gang Bang. Oh, yeah, it's an obvious joke, right? - So he admitted to physical relations. - Yeah, but he denied it for all the time and denied it. - So just today, he admitted it? - I think it's just in the news today. I don't know what happened. - Oh, well, was he trying to make a comeback? - No, no, no, no. - Yeah, someone banged the spy, whoopsies. - But I was, anyway, I really wanted to make this joke about, you know, the Fang Fang. It's just so, you can't resist it, right? - It's a funny name. - Exactly, Fang Fang Bang, whatever. Anyway, so, and then he didn't show up, and I think, well, he denied that it's, can I really say that, you know? - Right. - You gotta be, you gotta try and be accurate. - Good for you. - So, but then he didn't show up to the debate 'cause he claimed that there was, I don't know, he had some vote or whatever. So I never got to debate him. - The idea that this kid in Canada is being brought into, for mental health evaluation in prison because he's uncovering that, that's not unprecedented. That's believable. I don't know if it's true. He might also have been a little kooky. - Mm-hmm. - This is, again, I don't know if the videos that I saw are real, but the videos that I, again, especially considering what we're talking about now. If you were trying to make someone look insane that was uncovering some real serious corruption with a foreign government. - Right. - Which is possible. - Of course it's possible. And also, it's America, right? We're in a huge country. It's like beautifully crazy in many ways. - Yes. - People can think what, and they've got the internet. And you get, people will, you know, honestly, all the time, people are giving me, you know, they shove things in my hand or an envelope, whatever, and I open it up every single time. Because half the time, it's something that's, you know, something conspiratorial that isn't right, or doesn't seem right. And other times, it's like really good ideas. But the point is that they actually are useful. Or they'll make me think about something in a different way. But the point is that, yes, there's lots of people out there with, you know, somewhat crazy ideas. You can't lock them all up. - Well, it's not just that. There's lots of real corruption. - Yes, exactly. - And if this guy posts this, and has there been an investigation? Do we know whether or not this is an act? Has it been completely debunked? Because if it has, oh, well then, maybe you're right. Maybe he's crazy. Or, if it turns out that everything he's saying is true, maybe he's a slightly crazy person who's also uncovering the truth, which is like-- - Exactly, exactly. Sometimes it takes obsessive people. - That was the premise of that Mel Gibson movie, remember? - Yeah. - He was crazy, but he was actually right? - No, which one? - I think it was called Conspiracy Theory? - Yep, yep, yep. - Yeah, was that with-- - Julia Roberts. - Julia Roberts, yeah. It was fun. - Oh, that's great. - Yeah. - I haven't seen it. - It was a dude who was onto things. He's basically like Alex Jones. - That sounds really interesting. - It was a good movie. - I love that. - You know, for the time, a little dated. You go watch it today, you'll be like, eh. - What do we do? One of the things, we're on the road the whole time. Like, long drives, it's California. And so, I find some of these, every now and again you just want something. You know, so there's a lot of movies, it turns out, that are big parts of American culture that I haven't seen. We watched, what was it the other night? - Superbad. I'd never seen it. - Oh! - I'd never seen it. - It's a classic. - It's so good. - It's one of the best comedies of all time. - It was so good, and I'd never seen it. - It's fucking great. I unfortunately tried watching with my kids when they were 10 and 12. I'm like, here, sit down and watch this. And then we shut it off after three minutes. I'm like, this is, sorry. I forgot. - It's so good. - Yeah, I forgot. - Brilliant writing. I mean, it's not just like funny and a kind of slapstick with a bit of that, but it was just really clever. - The scene where the kid's just sitting in class drawing dicks. - It's so, yeah. - It's brilliant. - It's so funny. By the way, could not make that movie today. And the people who made that movie would not make that movie today. - We were literally talking about it. So, my friend Eric, he's on my team. We've become good friends. He's, you met him earlier. Like, that's exactly what we're saying. Like, you couldn't make it. - They got captured. They got captured. That's the problem with being on the team of the left. They got captured by an ideology that destroyed comedy in their world, right? They cannot do that kind of comedy anymore. Nobody believes that you support all the things these people are saying. - Of course. - You're just showing a ridiculous human being who's saying some crazy shit and it makes you laugh. It's not changing the fucking world. It's not altering anybody's opinions. And it's not gonna force people to do anything that they wouldn't ordinarily do. No good person is gonna watch that movie and wanna go out and do bad things. That's not how it works. - Exactly. - It's just a piece of art. It's just like, you know, Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. Okay? It's a fucking piece of art. It's a piece of art. And it's a piece of art that we have fucked up. It's particularly movies, because movies are attached to Hollywood. And then stand-up comedy, fortunately, has an out. And because of the internet, we don't need Hollywood anymore. So, but because of that, we now get labeled right wing. Especially stand-up comedy that's like not adherent. And I don't wanna call it anti-woke, 'cause that's silly. 'Cause it's not anti-woke. It's just comedy. - Yeah. - It's just like woke doesn't allow certain subjects. - It's just, it should be anti-establishment. And when the establishment is taken over by an ideology, it happens to be that. But you go the other way when it's the people in power. It's supposed to be against the people in power. - It's supposed to be what is funny. - What is funny, fair enough. - What is funny. - Yeah. - Across the board. - Yeah. - And as soon as you say, "No, you can't make fun of this anymore." - Yeah. - Like, why? - Yeah. - Why? It's a religion. It's blasphemy to make fun of whatever you decided is. - It's ridiculous, it's weird, yeah. - And that killed that kind of movie. Those fucking movies were everywhere The Hangover There was always a movie like that There's so many of them A lot of them Ace Ventura Pet Detective The whole premise was about a transgender woman And you find out she's transgender And everybody throws up Do you remember? You never saw Ace Ventura Pet Detective? No I know, we've got to do a list You're too busy watching Monty Hall over there Fucking Benny Hill reruns My favourite Benny Hill thing I'm not saying this There's a friend of mine at Fox She's called Kennedy She's very funny Do you remember Janet Yellen? Yes She always called her Benny Hill And the minute I saw that I saw a picture of her the next time I just couldn't get it Kennedy was an MTV VJ She's great And then She became a Republican Talking head on Fox I was like That's nuts She's a real libertarian though But isn't it interesting? Yeah Someone's on MTV With a girl with glasses on You're like Oh, progressive For sure And then winds up on But she's cool She's libertarian She seems very smart She's great Very funny She does Freedom Fest She's a big part of that The libertarian thing Okay She's great How'd she go from being a VJ? I don't know Here's the next Fucking Well, she's from L.A. She's very young She's great She used to call Janet Yellen Benny Hill That's funny But I love No, the comedy thing Like, that's another joy, actually So I used to really So Eric's really into Louis C.K. So I've I'd seen a bit of him, obviously But I've watched a lot now He's so great I mean, we've really enjoyed that Brilliant comedian Brilliant, brilliant And, yeah Did some fucking Ridiculous, weird shit But the way they described it Was so different Than the actual acts themselves But also, his response to it Was brilliant That show where he addressed it Uh-huh Was so good He had a weird kink Where he wanted people To watch him jerk off And he would ask them And if they said yes He would do it Look, I don't think You should do that I think it seems crazy To be standing in front Of a couple of girls And jerking off in front of them But I'm not him, okay? And I also didn't say If I said no Open the door Let me out And then you wouldn't Let me out That's a different story But that's not what Anybody was alleging It's just kind of gross And weird And I think he would Probably admit to that But, you know He did And he had a very funny I thought it was brilliant I can't remember exactly But the first big show He did after that When he sort of Returned from like Being His art, though Is like You gotta judge Like, what is he As long as he's not Did what like Bill Cosby did That's a completely Different thing Yeah, it didn't seem That it was a kind of Systematic Like Really Machine-like Predatory thing That was just Ongoing It was a weird kink Yeah He had a weird kink He wanted to jerk off In front of people Like, okay It's So, look I get that people Would be upset And if you don't want To watch this comedy anymore I get that, too That's fine Everybody has That's your prerogative But, like The comedy itself Is some of the best comedy That's ever been written It's exactly Ever been done Yeah He's one of the best To ever do it I mean, if you have a Top whatever Group of comedians Is he in your Kind of gang here? How do you Like Well, he's in New York But he actually Helped me design the club Oh, okay, cool He came When it was bare bones And we went over the club And he gave me A bunch of great suggestions And I implemented All of them The Smaller Our rooms are named After the nuclear bombs That were dropped On Hiroshima and Nagasaki So it's Fat man and little boy Are our rooms There's a reason for that The reason is actually That the Because it's the comedy mothership It's a UFO-based comedy club The UFOs really started Showing up in America After the nuclear bomb So once the nuclear weapons program Was implemented In the 1940s The amount of UFO sightings Went through the roof And the real big ones Were like Roswell, New Mexico Which was 47 So right after the war They started to show up They started So this is like Part of UFO folklore So that's why we did it That's why we named them After the nuclear bomb And not making light Of people dying In horrific nuclear bombs So he told me To make the stage smaller In the little room It was a great idea I was like, right Why is the stage so big It's a small room And then he also said Can you It was already a low ceiling He's like, can you lower it more I'm like, we can lower it Like right to the top of that door It's like, you should do that And he gave me some advice On sound deadening in the room And what to do And make it You know How to make the sound Crystal clear And just great Awesome advice And I The beautiful thing About that club Is I took advice From every comedian That was in town I'd bring them there I'd go Tell me what you think What would you want Like if you wanted To design a comedy club I'll literally let you Like just tell me What you think And we ran it through a vote So there's a whole group of us And it was like Me and Brian Simpson And Ron White And Tony Hinchcliffe And all these guys That were good friends of mine That we performed with All the time I We all We all just sat around None of the ideas Were like I think we should do this I didn't do that With any of them I said Tell me what you guys Want to do Like and they were like You should have this Like okay we'll do that Great We should have monitors In the green room We should see the guy on stage Okay let's do that What else And everything anybody said We did We should have Free Mental health services For all the employees So we did that So free availability For counseling Psychiatry We have that Psychologists They can all Go to counselors So that's free Healthcare Take care of everything Give the comedians Way more money Than any other club does We did that We're just like What does everybody want What's the perfect club What does everybody want What does it look like Let's do it And let's do it in a way Where we're just trying To make the best thing possible We're not doing it Like let's make the most money We're just trying To not lose money So let's just do it that way And it worked And it worked because Of people like Louis C.K. And all these people That came by And gave us advice And told us You know what they think Fantastic So yeah So Louis is great I love him He's a fucking Really smart guy But like a lot of smart guys He's fucking weird You know A lot of people I think that about These AI people You want to be a great comedian You have to be a fucking weirdo You know They're all just weird In different ways Chappelle's weird in his way You know Chris Rock's weird in his way Hinchcliffe's weird in his way They're all weird Shane's weird Everyone's weird It's an incredible thing To do Honestly Just It's like really In a time In a tiny way I'm not even comparing it But I'm comparing this In terms of what I'm doing Which is You gotta go there And you've got I don't know I just did a few Just in the last few days You've got hundreds of people And you gotta Entertain them Now I'm mainly talking about politics Which is much easier Right Because you've got You know Material that's just obvious And out there And it's But it's You gotta keep them entertained You can't be boring You can't like And it's You know You gotta give a good show Yes And so The thought of doing that And being funny For all of it Instead of What I do Which is Throw in the odd joke You know Political joke Or something Or self-deprecating joke You know But that's just That's nothing But it's You're not focusing on that If you focus on that You could do it No but I'm just saying I now really appreciate How hard it is Just Just the It is and it isn't Joey Diaz has the greatest saying He goes It's the fucking hardest Easiest thing you'll ever do Okay Because when you're flowing It's easy You know When you're up there And you're killing It's so easy It's hard Constructing the material I was gonna say A lot of preparation There's a lot of preparation And there's a lot of time You have to spend alone Thinking And then you have to spend A lot of time Bullshitting with your friends Because sometimes Like the green room conversations Yeah Some of us Like Brian Simpson Said something the other day And we're like Write that down Yeah yeah yeah Write that down That's great We force each other Like right dude That's a bit That's 100% a bit And he started doing it on stage And it's killing Like that happens too And it's like The camaraderie And the fun Of like being together Like it brews comedy Yeah But you also need time In front of the fucking Computer or the notebook You need to be sitting there Going over your stuff If you don't do that You're not gonna come up With new material And then you have to try it out And you have to be willing To like trot it out there You have this idea It's only existed in your head Yeah And you're kind of Convinced that there's Something there But you're not totally sure You're like What do you think About this And you just throw it out there And sometimes it's great And it's like 50-50 Sometimes it's dog shit And by It's 50-50 To what I bring to the stage Whether it's even got life But writing it down It's like Not even It's like You know It's like the Canadian Healthcare system For maid It's like What One out of 20 One out of 20 Is any good No I think it's I mean it's just really No I think it's No I think it's Well I totally appreciate What you're saying But it's very I mean to me it seems The ultimate You're just putting yourself out there You're definitely putting yourself out there But you're also doing it this way too Like when you're having conversations Maybe you're putting yourself out there Even more Because you're actually putting out Your opinions And some of them You had no idea You were going to discuss Right So you're just trotting it out there Thinking out loud In front of millions of people And you're just Like we're doing Right now When you're doing stand up Like I know these By the time And anyone sees me perform at a club where they're paying money most of those bits i've been doing so i've been like i'm just trying to add to them and hone them and say them the right way and move the order around that's why i also i love about it because that's i really do love it and that's why i've really enjoyed like i said eric's really into it and um just he's showing me a lot of comedians i didn't know about and it's i just i love words and language anyway you know i've written but in completely different i've written books and whatever tv scripts when i did my show that kind of thing so i really appreciate language and and i love the just how changing the order of a word or whatever can just make something work or not work oh yeah it's brilliant changing the order of a word changing the way you do sometimes you do a joke like louis used to do that where he would like reverse a joke like turn it around and then maybe he would like take it and do his best joke and open with it so that his jokes afterwards had to get better right follow his best joke yeah it's a constant little fucking laboratory up there and you need the audience yes in order to find the life do you see their faces like can you see or the lights too much in your face can you see you can see most of the first few rows right because that's important must be for it helps yeah it definitely helps the um it's not just listening to the volume of laughs is it like what is it there's both things but obviously they're they're there to have a good time you've but my job's easier because i'm going on after the they're already laughing right so there's been a few people on before me everybody's having a good time and then you're you're basically just connecting with them you know you find them what's up how are you you you like let them get comfortable you connect with them and then you're just doing the material you're just finding the reality you you have to be like whatever you're saying you have to be 100 thinking about that thing only yes you can't be thinking and then i'm gonna say it like no you have to be thinking about the thing yeah and that's it that's the primary thought you know the pacing of it you know what's coming next but you don't think about what's coming next you think about the thing yeah that's where preparation is important you have to make sure that you have a set list an order but you also have to be flexible because there's going to be moments where you want to like dive out of that set order and something might happen in the audience or something like that and you have to come up and you have another thing another take and you're like this would go better right here so i'll shove this in here and then you have to remember your order and go i didn't do this i'll put that later it's so fun it's it's it's not the same but there's a similarity because you know i do all these things and you and you've got bits really which is my thing on high speed rail and you know i and sometimes and there's a long version of it and a short version yeah and like and then suddenly you'll find yourself doing it even though i had intended to right and then oh oh shit that's like really long and i've got to finish like what am i going to cut so you it's very sort of i mean it's not the same but it's similar it's similar and i definitely find trump does bits oh yeah and he i mean just on for so i'm never doing that long but um remember when he just did this impromptu bit about biden losing himself on stage just wandering around not knowing where he was it's like he's doing stand-up like everyone's laughing exactly but i find it much better i much prefer when you can you're closer to the people like physically when you can you're not on some stage miles away you know that kind of yeah comedy club's the way to do it that's the real way however there's something very intimate about doing um an arena in the round okay so i've done a bunch of those where you're standing on a circular stage in the center of the people and what's intimate about that is all the people over here are looking at all the people over here everybody sees yeah yeah yeah interesting you see each other it's the right way to do it because that way everybody's seeing everybody else having fun and they're a lot closer than you think they are they're all right there there's a lot of them but it all the comedy like sprays out to the outer edges yeah but the center hive all around the stage which is thousands of people yeah in a 16 000 seat arena you're looking in the eyes of 6 000 people plus yeah and they're and it's like they're all seeing each other it's very intimate oddly great like if it's fun as opposed to like uh a big arena when you're standing on a very high stage and the people are all out there yeah that feels crazy yeah that feels very detached that's that's a different that's not my favorite that's my least favorite is an arena where it's just a flat stage and you're not like surrounded by them yeah i i agree it feels like you're just delivering something rather than connecting exactly but a theater can be a little bit of a challenge it can be pretty intimate too like especially when you're used to doing arenas if i do like a 3 000 seat theater it's it's kind of intimate it's like it's all what you're comfortable with too that's a part of it too it's like are you comfortable with all these people staring at you well i never you see that's the weird thing i would never have suddenly i'm doing i've never done it before right and suddenly you have all these you know and it's amazing i mean i love the response but it's it is weird because i've gone from nothing to right this and you go in a room it's like hundreds of people like cheering what's the biggest crowd you've had to speak in front of probably well probably when i did megan kelly's show when megan kelly was here yeah not here in california and um i did i did a spot there i did the announcement it was in an arena in bakersfield the announcement for uh the ufc weigh-ins so the i i emceed the weigh-ins uh at the ellipse on the white house oh so it was eighty thousand people that was fucking nuts that was the most people i've ever talked to right and that was a very different way of talking because all i'm doing is reading people's names in their official way it's very easy yeah you know it's just hyping it up getting everybody pumped up yeah you know you know like ladies ilia toporia and it comes out everybody goes crazy it's easy but it's the vibe the feeling of 80 000 people is fucking nuts yeah it's a weird feeling you know shane gillis my buddy just did stand up i heard he sold 76 000 philadelphia right yeah yeah phil a fucking football stadium that had to be insanity you could do that easy if you wanted to it's it's you'd get the people it's a crazy thing to do i don't know if i could do that easy it's not easy he broke the world record like and shane's huge and he's really funny he's like one of the funniest guys yeah that's a good example i'd never seen him before maybe i'd get him to come down tonight i don't know if he's there i mean if he's in town news dad one that was the first time i've ever seen him oh he's got so many good bits you ever seen his bit about george washington's museum i don't think so oh my god it's one of my i would request it from him all the time like please do that bit it's so funny about george washington's false teeth being made out of lead it's it's such because they were it's such a crazy bit it's so good he's he's a great comedian yeah and that's all he cares about that's what he loves and he's like all in and just an awesome guy too when you're around him he's just so fun and like everyone always smiles you're around him he's he's like he's contagious you know he's a contagious party great fun guy but like we're really lucky that there's a lot of those guys here now you know this is like this is a giant hive of them now well you've built that well we all did yeah you know we all came no i hear what you're saying that they contributed but well we are they had to be here for me to be able to do it this is not a thing that i could have ever done and said hey everybody move here now uh-huh it's not it would have never worked they had to already be here everybody moved here before i even had a club a lot of them okay yeah like segura moved here before i had a club was that a pandemic thing yes like getting out of places with ridiculous yeah getting out of places and going to a place where you can actually perform we're all addicts you know stand-up comedy is a very very addictive thing and if there's a place where you can go where you can do it and your friends already live there and for me it was ron white and it was also there's a thing that i've been thinking about the freeness of this city like the freeness of texas the freedom that you had here to to be able to go to a restaurant your businesses could stay open they didn't put the same kind of restrictions they had a small lockdown for a short amount of time and they went okay let's get back to work and they did and california's like we're gonna die and they fucking oh i know still driving around their cars with the mask i know it's so crazy i remember it's so funny thinking i was reminded of all this because of the fauci stuff the other day yeah the fauci stuff is wild because i was really honestly i mean i'm you know i did this show on fox news i'm would never say i'm a journalist right ever um it was an opinion show i just said what i thought but i did do some i would like one piece of journalism like actual journalism which is the fauci stuff it's infuriating you know the origin of the virus i really did you know lay that all out in a way that no one else did because i had these people i knew i didn't know i didn't know i didn't know at stanford i taught at stanford so a lot of that information about fauci and the origin and all of that i had for and and people helped me piece it together and it's just infuriating that he's still infuriating well and the thing that's most infuriating to me thing was that he knew about the miscarriages during the first trimester he knew about that and uh he was still promoting it for pregnant women like how many women listened to him and got vaccinated and then had a miscarriage we don't even know what the numbers are right because those are never reported as vaccine injuries we have no idea just i mean i was listening to who did you have on the other week um that lady who wrote the book you got into it with her she had a book you're talking about i can't remember she's like an investigative annie jacobson yeah yeah yeah she about the uh germ warfare about biological warfare so i was just listening to that and then i did like you're talking we didn't really get into it like we didn't argue a little bit on the just on the origins and the gain of function and all of that oh well she just probably was trying to be politically correct and probably not well anyway still trying to sell books or something i don't know all i remember thinking is i wanted to is that it's still not i don't think understood how directly fauci was implicated like it's still you hear this language of oh he you know he funded the gain of fun he no he in he pushed it this was his thing yeah he really really was the main global champion of gain of function not only that he enforced the narrative that this was not a lab leak and that a lab talking about it as a lab leak was racist yes he the thing that i remember when i first laid that out and it was you know it's still on the way on my wikipedia like i pushed the conspiracy theory that you know fauci did the virus but he did the the i always try and show people like when they say well why would he do something like that he was really the main advocate there's a piece he wrote i always start with this which is i think it's december 2011 because gain of function have been around a few years they started with the ferrets or whatever and they had this new technique ralph barrack and all of that yeah and then it became very controversial in the scientific community had a whole bunch of scientists saying this is crazy this is going to lead to a pandemic people saying that yeah and fauci argued back and he wrote this piece at the end of 2011 with the other guy francis collins who ran the nih saying that uh engineering i think it's almost exactly engineering a potentially dangerous virus in the laboratory is a risk worth taking he wrote that like he's was pushing this stuff and like the thing that everyone it's it was his initiative it wasn't he's like passively funded this thing that some other minions were doing this was his big thing yeah it's just outrageous that it hasn't been and he broke the rules that's the other part that that people forget that obama in 2014 put a moratorium on it yes which included stuff that was already in train which included the project that led to covid and then again people often say well trump lifted the moratorium he did but he put back a new thing which was it was called the potential pandemic pathogens thing protocol which said that when you renew a project it should go to independent review he broke that as well so he broke the rules to push this and he's like still not really had to pay any price for it unless you say his reputation well the reputation but he's also so old that he's not working anymore anyway but the thing about it was that pardon that gave him a pardon for crimes that he had not been convicted for which had never happened before a preemptive pardon for and also for 10 whole years for everything he did he could have been eating baby food and he could have been eating baby food and eating baby food and eating babies for 10 years and like no pardon fine and then when you have a pardon you're not supposed to be able to plead the fifth and yet he pleads with everything including the color of his fucking tie it's just disgusting he's a strange guy and the fact that he was a hero really shows how sick people were in 2020 looking for some sort of a solution because they didn't know his history they didn't know what he did during the aids crisis yeah he's a scary person yeah he scares me arrogant of it and the thing that i'm also really get really pissed off about still is when you hear the conversation around this on that going back now to the lockdowns and all of that and the school closures that was such a disaster businesses churches and people say well we didn't really know and it was early and we were just being we did know it's not true i did a piece march 2020 like right it was in the before the end of 15 days to slow the spread right at the beginning because i got to know through stanford jay batacharia john you need is all these guys that were speaking out they did a blood whatever call it sarah prevalence thing in santa clara county where this whole thing started proving everything that we now knew and including what fauci now we know from the whatever the this diary knew as well those santa clara clara county is this the two doctors that they went public with this and then they lost their license and this is jay and john you need is they were the so i know about jay and the crazy thing about him was that he was one of the people that was kicked off of twitter correct yes yeah which is what when worse than that kicked up really persecuted by stanford yeah they need to be held accountable that was a crazy thing so the first lockdown in the country was santa clara county in one of the the other bay area counties did it and then after that gavin did statewide that's where it started and the woman who pushed it was the public health god i haven't talked about this for ages the public health director or whatever of santa clara county sarah cody and she was married to the head of stanford medicine and jay spoke out against what was going on with actual data they did a study of what was happening in the community that proved that the case fatality rate was far lower than what they're saying well it was also in the leaked emails all of this he was aware that it was far lower and he was still promoting it exactly but the point is that this is again corruption because he was speaking out against the lockdowns that were pushed by this woman sarah cody her husband who was head of stanford medicine persecuted jay he was treated so badly they suspended him they accused him of they had some bullshit investigation into him outrageous that that no one's ever done anything about that as far as i can tell stanford no it's uh it's creepy to watch that top-down power in action when you know that they're lying and when you're seeing these text messages and emails yeah the fauci thing is very creepy when it just shows you why he was pushing for that pardon but then there's the question of whether or not that pardon's even legitimate because it's all auto pen stuff yeah and biden was out of his fucking mind like i know but the thing i always think is also this um the state level so it's a federal pardon right so states are gonna but then there's this immunity if you're doing stuff in your public role you can't be sued for that or something i don't know well i mean he lives in hell i mean he knows but i i think he's a bit of a sociopath i think there's something about him like when he was prescribing people azt for aids he's a doctor he's well aware that azt was pulled as a cancer medication because it was killing people quicker than cancer they were using it as chemotherapy and people were dying faster and so they already had this fda approved drug and so this new gay cancer i mean they literally were calling it the gay cancer at first they just started giving it to them like well we have a medication for it and then fauci's on record saying the reason why we prescribe azt is because it's the only medicine it's both safe and effective effective at what affected killing asymptomatic people they were also using the same playbook that they used during covid by using these testing methods that had an enormous amount of false positives like carrie mullis himself was there's a video of him he's the guy who invented pcr testing he's talking about fauci fauci doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about yeah he's like he's a bureaucrat the guy's full of shit he doesn't know that you should never use a pcr to determine whether or not someone is ill he's like it's not how it works because if you ramp up the cycles enough you could find anything and that's what they did during covid and they're like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die they found like it's 80 something percent false positives fortunately a lot of those people weren't forced to take azt but there's a lot of people that turned positive for hiv that probably didn't have it at all they gave them azt and they were fucking dead and this is the he's the villain in the dower spires club that movie with matthew mcconaughey that's all about people who have aids seeking alternative treatments and being denied them because he was trying to find a vaccine for it on fucking foster kids and killing them in new york it's all in yeah rfk jr's book and again if his book lies how come he hasn't been sued it's really amazing how it's they're able to get away with stuff that's truly evil truly evil yeah i mean testing the aids vaccine on whole on foster kids it's crazy and them dying it's crazy but there's just the azt thing i don't know what how you know what determines you know when some the sort of the media mindset towards something or whatever that means that this story gets attention and and massive oh it's really simple it's really simple pharmaceutical drug commercials all that would change if they're not allowed We're one of two countries in the fucking world world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on television one of them is new zealand and they're far more restrictive than us and because of that look you have ads that you see that are playing on cnn that are not even for a drug that's commonly used for some weird condition you know persuade you you've got the condition that's so what they're really doing is not selling drugs what they're really doing is making sure that cnn does never talk shit about the pharmaceutical drug companies and doesn't do any stories on the adverse side effects and doesn't do any stories about how many of them get pulled by the fda that initially get approved and they find such horrific side effects they have to pull them because it's a large percentage it's fucking nuts man and it's who was it that brought it up that was explaining how you know he had figured out a long time ago that the the reason why they spend so much money on advertising is not because they're trying to sell drugs they're trying to buy these now what makes sense it's an enormous part of their ad budget right and they spend so much money on television and who the fuck is watching cnn at this stage of the game you know what are their numbers their numbers are pretty piss poor they are for the amount of money that these drug companies are spending and then you see so many ads so many for this and everyone's always at a barbecue they're always having fun they're having fun and like there was a brilliant parody that um nicole shanahan did when she was with bobby running uh she did a brilliant one for tds do you suffer from tds trump derangement syndrome that she did like a pharma ad oh that's really it was really really great that's so crazy but the thing i was thinking of when you like the you know where you got really dark human consequences so like you know obviously i'm focused on it because he's my opponent but the story of becerra and the kids the migrant kids it's a story i bring it up to people and a lot of people have never heard about it like literally no idea what is the story when he he was bob he had job bobby's job and um bobby can his job hhs secretary and you had it was during the four years you had the open board and the way it works is that i had millions of people coming across the open border we don't know exactly how many but the kid unaccompanied kids are the responsibility of hhs that's how the system works so he was responsible for them and the total number we know because it's recorded 479 000 kids unaccompanied kids without parents it's an amazing number in the four years of the biden administration all of those kids were my javier becerra's responsibility so they had they were overwhelmed they set up these camps do you not know any of this yeah it's okay they have they have these camps they set up to process the kids in florida texas there were three in california and the point was to try and get the kids to a safe sponsor relative someone who'd look after them and they had so many they were overwhelmed and there's really bad stuff going on in the camps there were reports of sexual abuse the older kids you know some of the older kids were like you know 17 year old rough you know some were gang members whatever so there was all this shit going on in the camps so there was all this shit going on in the camps so there was all this shit going on in the camps sexual abuse physical abuse it was bad and it was like pictures of you know like we went to one then pomona one of the exhibition halls like 150 kids on cots it was bad and so becerra wants these kids out because it looks bad and they'd gone on and on about kids in cages with trump and so he basically we've now got these whistleblowers coming forward and the new york times reported it the new york times broke this story but it's just basically you know it's just it's just it's just it's just not gone anywhere they did it in 2023 that he dismantled the vetting that was supposed to put the kids with a safe place and so they lost track of thousands of kids and many went to child sex traffickers slave labor child labor traffickers just horrific stories you had what was the rationale for because they were too they weren't moving them out of the camps quickly and they were not moving them out of the camps quickly and they were not moving them out of the camps quickly and they were not moving them out of the camps quickly enough so we had a whistleblower come to us because these people said how can he be governor um who said we were supposed to connect the kids with the responsible adult check their identity id checks home visits all this but the the instruction was it's going too slowly we got to get the kids out she said speed over safety and so when they raise flags about it like 200 kids sent to an address that turned out to be a sent to an address that turned out to be a sent to an address that turned out to be a container lot like not a real address it's container lot like not a real address it's container lot like not a real address it's just a front for traffickers um a kid sent to just a front for traffickers um a kid sent to just a front for traffickers um a kid sent to a woman who was an wanted by interpol like a a woman who was an wanted by interpol like a a woman who was an wanted by interpol like a gang member like just crazy so when they gang member like just crazy so when they gang member like just crazy so when they raised those stories they were fired like raised those stories they were fired like raised those stories they were fired like it's really terrible what happened it's really terrible what happened it's really terrible what happened and still there i mean hhs just published and still there i mean hhs just published and still there i mean hhs just published them because they were still responsible them because they were still responsible them because they were still responsible numbers from i think it was two weeks ago numbers from i think it was two weeks ago numbers from i think it was two weeks ago that there's 330 000 that they're still that there's 330 000 that they're still that there's 330 000 that they're still missing they don't know where they are missing they don't know where they are missing they don't know where they are 40 kids died like it's really bad 40 kids died like it's really bad 40 kids died like it's really bad and yet it's like fauci's like and yet it's like fauci's like he's the candidate for governor no one's he's the candidate for governor no one's he's the candidate for governor no one's really really really calling him out on it it's amazing to calling him out on it it's amazing to calling him out on it it's amazing to me it's really bad joe honestly you've got it's really bad joe honestly you've got it's really bad joe honestly you've got that is crazy you've got to be that is crazy you've got to be that is crazy you've got to be responsible for that many kids and say responsible for that many kids and say responsible for that many kids and say speed over safety so there's a story speed over safety so there's a story speed over safety so there's a story again the whistleblower we've put about again the whistleblower we've put about again the whistleblower we've put about the videos i mean some people you know the videos i mean some people you know the videos i mean some people you know this woman said she was a case worker at this woman said she was a case worker at this woman said she was a case worker at pomona pomona pomona and becerra actually visited that camp and becerra actually visited that camp and becerra actually visited that camp visited did a photo up whatever and he's visited did a photo up whatever and he's visited did a photo up whatever and he's going on about how we're going on about how we're going on about how we're doing a good job of finding safe places doing a good job of finding safe places doing a good job of finding safe places whatever um whatever um whatever um and then the interviewer i was at the and then the interviewer i was at the and then the interviewer i was at the taping it was she didn't she's in a job taping it was she didn't she's in a job taping it was she didn't she's in a job where she doesn't want where she doesn't want where she doesn't want retaliation so i was there for the two retaliation so i was there for the two retaliation so i was there for the two hours we taped the conversation and the hours we taped the conversation and the hours we taped the conversation and the interviewer asks her interviewer asks her interviewer asks her did anything change did anything change did anything change after becerra's visit after becerra's visit after becerra's visit she said yeah she said yeah she said yeah everything was had to speed up everything was had to speed up everything was had to speed up and they had strike teams that were set and they had strike teams that were set and they had strike teams that were set intensely fake intensely fake intensely fake don't worry just send them quick get don't worry just send them quick get don't worry just send them quick get them out jesus christ them out jesus christ them out jesus christ and and this even the new york times and and this even the new york times and and this even the new york times story had story had story had a boy who a boy who a boy who she had a few examples because she she had a few examples because she she had a few examples because she tracked them down she want to pull it tracked them down she want to pull it tracked them down she want to pull it surprise for it um surprise for it um surprise for it um a kid who ended up in a i don't know a kid who ended up in a i don't know a kid who ended up in a i don't know a meat packing plant 13 14 year old had a meat packing plant 13 14 year old had a meat packing plant 13 14 year old had his arm ripped off in an accident his arm ripped off in an accident his arm ripped off in an accident our our girl one of those she came our our girl one of those she came our our girl one of those she came forward as a whistleblower she a victim forward as a whistleblower she a victim forward as a whistleblower she a victim she was on camera she was on camera she was on camera she said yeah she's telling the story she said yeah she's telling the story she said yeah she's telling the story she was like put on a plane she was like put on a plane she was like put on a plane and they said you know what happens and they said you know what happens and they said you know what happens they didn't let her take her stuff they didn't let her take her stuff they didn't let her take her stuff she she she was met at the other end she said there's was met at the other end she said there's was met at the other end she said there's there's three guys there's three guys there's three guys they picked she has no idea who these they picked she has no idea who these they picked she has no idea who these people are she's from people are she's from people are she's from i think guatemala el salvador um i think guatemala el salvador um i think guatemala el salvador um gets in a car with three guys no idea gets in a car with three guys no idea gets in a car with three guys no idea taken to a house she has to work 20 taken to a house she has to work 20 taken to a house she has to work 20 hours a day hours a day hours a day sleep on the floor with four guys in a sleep on the floor with four guys in a sleep on the floor with four guys in a room she's a girl from room she's a girl from room she's a girl from you know it's just and there's so many you know it's just and there's so many you know it's just and there's so many of these stories of these stories of these stories um um um bobby the way bobby puts it is that bobby the way bobby puts it is that bobby the way bobby puts it is that becerra turned hhs into the largest becerra turned hhs into the largest becerra turned hhs into the largest child trafficking operation in history child trafficking operation in history child trafficking operation in history holy yeah exactly holy yeah exactly holy yeah exactly and this guy is running for running for and this guy is running for running for and this guy is running for running for california i remember honestly joe like california i remember honestly joe like california i remember honestly joe like when we did these debates when we did these debates when we did these debates you know you we did a lot and not just you know you we did a lot and not just you know you we did a lot and not just debates but forums and you meet debates but forums and you meet debates but forums and you meet and i thought he's a nice you know i'd and i thought he's a nice you know i'd and i thought he's a nice you know i'd see him we chat see him we chat see him we chat backstage or whatever and i thought backstage or whatever and i thought backstage or whatever and i thought you know he's kind of you know he's kind of you know he's kind of nothing he's a bureaucrat type person nothing he's a bureaucrat type person nothing he's a bureaucrat type person nice guy perfectly nice smiley's a nice nice guy perfectly nice smiley's a nice nice guy perfectly nice smiley's a nice amiable guy amiable guy amiable guy and i just thought he's like an amiable and i just thought he's like an amiable and i just thought he's like an amiable non-entity non-entity non-entity but the more you learn about this it's but the more you learn about this it's but the more you learn about this it's like really bad like really bad like really bad um because it's a classic thing with um because it's a classic thing with um because it's a classic thing with these career politicians these career politicians these career politicians obviously all that mattered was obviously all that mattered was obviously all that mattered was i don't want to look bad i don't we've i don't want to look bad i don't we've i don't want to look bad i don't we've got all these kids got all these kids got all these kids they're in these camps the media has they're in these camps the media has they're in these camps the media has access to them access to them access to them it's really look making me look bad get it's really look making me look bad get it's really look making me look bad get these kids out these kids out these kids out it's just shocking oh my god it's it's just shocking oh my god it's it's just shocking oh my god it's shocking shocking shocking that's so evil that's so evil that's so evil yeah it is so and it's also yeah it is so and it's also yeah it is so and it's also really racist all of them were latino really racist all of them were latino really racist all of them were latino kids yeah because you think about it if kids yeah because you think about it if kids yeah because you think about it if that was all kids from norway that was all kids from norway that was all kids from norway little young boys and girls from norway little young boys and girls from norway little young boys and girls from norway do you think they would treat them the do you think they would treat them the do you think they would treat them the same way so pomona where this camp was same way so pomona where this camp was same way so pomona where this camp was there were three in a in california long there were three in a in california long there were three in a in california long beach san diego and pomona beach san diego and pomona beach san diego and pomona so the caseworker who who did the so the caseworker who who did the so the caseworker who who did the whistle she was whistle she was whistle she was she said um she said um she said um there's a notorious child sex trafficking there's a notorious child sex trafficking there's a notorious child sex trafficking street area near there street area near there street area near there she said before this she said before this she said before this most of the girls most of the girls most of the girls were were were african-american black girls after the african-american black girls after the african-american black girls after the camp camp camp suddenly it was all latina girls suddenly it was all latina girls suddenly it was all latina girls like it was just so that that was what was happening God child sex trafficking well if if there's child sex traffickers and there's such an obvious vulnerability like hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied kids making across the border of course they're gonna sneak in exactly the whole thing was another thing boy I mean they took away that some they had these papers that they would send them off with and it had a line that's information on it which included a hotline that they set up if the kids felt they were in danger it took on a trafficking hotline there were 65,000 unanswered calls to the hotline you're just a bullshit like thing that didn't work and again the people who pointed that out were fired oh my really bad it's like to me the people that pointed it out were fired it's just this is to me I haven't you know I've been in and around politics media government one way or another for a long time I've never seen anything like this and and he's like it doesn't even seem like it could be real that's what I thought numbers are so crazy it's like some sort of a conspiracy theory that's easily disproven exactly well in the first reporting of it was the New York Times holy shit and and and but everything that's coming out is it's worse even than that what do you think was going on with the whole open border i think that they it's i i think they believed that any kind of restriction on immigration was racist and therefore it was part of the ideology around that that we can't put people are coming and they're fleeing bad conditions and you can't stop them because it's racist to put restrictions on immigration i think that's what it was mainly okay so that is a great way to justify flying people into swing states and then trying to turn them into citizens which is what they were actively talking about doing pelosi talked about that schumer talked about that they talk about getting these people citizenship which means those people can vote there's also moving them into these swing states and if you move them into the swing states the census doesn't count whether or not you're a citizen the census counts whether or not you're a human being and so it changes the number of congressional seats that are available so there's that and then there's also putting these people into swing states and then there's also putting these people into swing states and then there's also putting these people into swing states and then there's also putting these people into swing states and then there's also putting these people into swing states and then there's also putting these people into swing states and then there's also putting these people on free health care and giving them money and setting them up and then if you can get those people to vote eventually you've got a built-in voter and you could change like so i never i don't know about that whatever million people got in over the last four years they're not going to vote for trump how many if you make those people vote if you let those people vote how many of those people are going to vote for the republicans that wanted to get rid of them with ice and how many of them are going to vote for the democrats that wanted to fund them how many of those people are going to vote for the republicans that wanted to fund them and help them get across the border it's pretty simple even if you don't get all of them you're going to get most of them do you think that i mean i i hear that often this is what elon thinks it seems to me that's so dark and cynical well if they wanted to do the whole country what they've done to california and have complete and total control with one party well they've already done it in a state why not just implement it through the entire country in california you can't show id i know it's illegal that's crazy why would you do that why would you do that there's only one reason yeah you want to cheat and now the reason and we've got voter id on the ballot in november in california which is crazy that you have to ask for that exactly and the attorney general of this guy bonta i don't know if you've been following he's doing the paramount lawsuit he's like a total political hack all he ever does like we got out of control crime and all this shit all he does and the same with by the way becerra mike i keep coming he was attorney general of california um appointed he didn't get elected all he talks about in terms of his record and he was attorney during the time when crime exploded is how many times he sued trump but this guy bonta now there was this ballot initiative there is a ballot initiative on november for voter id he just changed the description did you see this no so it had a kind of accurate description of what it was you know this measure you know on the ballot and the voter information this measure will require people to show i blah blah blah uh and that was approved by the whole system and just in time before they start printing them he because it's the attorney general who decides changed it to say like the most negative possible thing this i mean i haven't got the exact words you can find it but it was like this measure prohibits voting unless you have and it goes on to make it sound really good it's like it's so cynical this is just what they do yeah well they weren't trying to get people to look at it in terms of look at it through their ideological lens rather than through a practical lens but it's also like it's so crazy that you have to have id for almost everything else crazy and they say oh it's so discriminatory like what are you talking that's racist yeah what about driving the car and driving the car and driving the car and driving the car and driving a car you have to have a license to drive a car what about you know check into a hotel i mean every night i'm at a different hampton inn because that's where we stay id yeah you have to show id to buy booze it's like ids everywhere it's normal it's like we need to know that you're real it's a very when you watch them defend their opposition to it it really i mean i'm generally not at all you know i i really do try and see the best you know that's just their ideology whatever then it's not really cynical but when you see the way they wriggle and squirm over voter id it's like what other explanation is there exactly it really it's such a ridiculous thing to be opposed to it's pretty clear it's pretty clear that there's a an advantage and the advantage is definitely on the side of the democrats the voter id advantage it's uh it's just it's just crazy it's just it's just we have lost our fucking collective minds uh and you know it doesn't help when you know this administration is in this war with iran that makes no fucking sense whatsoever and everybody's like oh so you look at that like it just builds up the other sides argument well that's what they say so you have to vote them out no matter what example um massive thing in california for everyone is just is gas prices highest in the country by far um higher than hawaii in the middle of the pacific ocean even though we have abundant oil reserves in california it's like so insane they're literally shipping in they're shutting down california oil production shipping it in from halfway around the world like 80 percent now shipped from iraq and the amazon rainforest like gavin goes to the amazon rainforest to the climate conference to lecture everyone about climate because of his climate policies oil drilling in the amazon is now being increased to provide california's oil anyway so it's so crazy that they do all these things like right now and you know and it's all as a direct result of what they've done right in the gas prices are so high and it's regular working people who are screwed like people who drive their cars and trucks every day for what's not the climate warriors you know and their laptops in marin county do you know what i mean anyway the war is now their go-to response so you make a point about gas prices oh it's trump's war and of course it's true that the war has um increased gas prices everywhere but it's still two dollars higher in california than anywhere else yeah but it lets them off the hook well it's just indicative of the same problem that you're going to have whenever a single party is running a state for that long unreasonably unchecked just like you were talking about hungary or it's just like it could be anywhere you can fill in the blank anywhere in the world where you get you get power and you get complete control and then you can just tax the fuck out of people and then you keep increasing government which they keep doing it's pretty wild changing this law make it cheaper or would that be even harder to do california gas because it uses unique strictly regulated clean burning boutique blend mandated by the california air resources board to reduce smog and greenhouse gas emissions specialized fuel must be refined locally on an energy island because no pipelines connect the state to outside fuel networks it's just more of the same so that this is important so see that california air resources board carb that's the main agency that that's driving the cost of everything high when it comes to energy gas and electric and and actually now your earlier question what can you do there's there's basically four reasons that gas prices are high the highest in the country one is the gas tax which is the highest in the country that i can't do anything about as governor that's the legislature they just increased it so you've got all these democrats running around affordability we have to do something about the affordability crisis they just increased the gas tax in california so just it's so ridiculous but that's that's the first thing i can't do anything about directly all the other things you can it's partly that is the regulations on the refinery but it's also these hidden taxes like you've got um the low carbon fuels they all sound good the low carbon fuel standard cap and invest they call it the cap and invest program that's funding high speed rail um these are basically taxes on gas that the energy industries pay then you've got the fact that we're importing all this oil rather than producing it so instead of producing in california in in the cleanest regulated standards anywhere in the world right which is what we have because we've got all these regulations and and sending it in a nice pipeline just a hundred or so miles from near bakersfield kern county to the refineries in long beach and torrance we are what i said earlier shipping in because there's like that said there's no pipeline from outside california bringing on tankers from number one in the middle east is iraq burning immense amounts of fuel all along the way because they run on bunker fuel which is the most dirty form of oil so they are i'm not this is an accurate statement they are increasing carbon emissions in the name of climate to make it look as if their climate war is fighting fossil fuels it's just fucking crazy yeah but it's the ideology it's not even it's so funny i used to sort of talk about their climate policy it's not even their climate policies it's climate posturing it's like they want to look as if they're yes doing well it's it's a part of the ideology like you said it's it's a part of the doctrine the religious doctrine that is the left you have to say that climate change is real science is science you have to say a bunch of things love is love you have to say a bunch of things yes in this house it's the thing yeah i always said that's literally virtue signaling it's not just virtue signaling it's kind of religious doctrine yeah it's an ideology signal yes it's not such a catchy phrase but that's what it is and it's it's kind of religious and like mark andreessen's talked about this it's kind of like a cult like the you if you don't follow it you are excommunicated yeah and i did a conference the other day in sacramento where i went up and there's something about it it was the smugness was so i normally try and be reasonable and just you know make my arguments and sort of there was something about this it was a kind of climate thing things i agree with it was green energy i'm all for that whatever great let's have innovation i'm not against any of that i am against the windmills the insane oh they're insane windmills like totally inefficient yeah and then they have to go into landfills and they only last a certain amount of years then you have to take them down and then burn them and then you have to take them down and then you have to take them down them in the earth where they never degrade and they catch fire and it's a life they kill birds wait but have you heard the latest though this is the it's actually one of my bits to go back to the thing because it's so crazy is the is the new plan for windmills is offshore windmills in california in two parts morrow bay off the central coast humboldt up in the north including having them far out because the wind is more but except also the ocean is deep there so they're going to have floating windmills have you heard this one no floating and these windmills are they're big they're like a thousand feet that's the height of the eiffel tower pretty much floating and the one of the proposals like 10 000 so 10 000 eiffel towers floating off the it's insane trump's just stopped it and now they're suing to reopen it oh by the way when energy when we have in california today existing natural gas fired power stations which could provide all our more than all our electricity needs today more than all it's like something like 300 gigawatt hours a year we only use about 270 something like that but they're only they're running these natural gas power stations are like 10 000 and they're not going to be able to run them they're going to be able to run them like 20 of their capacity to use as backup for the windmills and for the solar farms if you ran them at full capacity what we've already got you don't have to build anything you could more than meet all our needs but no that's too sensible so we have the floating windmills and and of course we have the highest electric bills in the country apart from hawaii double the national average and who and the reason i got cross at this this conference was that they were going you you want to reduce the renewable goals or something no i just want common sense i'm all for it if it makes sense if you can make it pay great but the people who you're hurting with all of this is regular working people not kind of elite people at a conference in sacramento just working class people who are just being crushed and i see it every day and the struggle you know literally they they the number one thing people say to me it's really striking when in all these you know i've really met a lot as i said hundreds of events thousands and thousands of people they say it's not like oh good luck hope you it's like you have to win there's like this intensity it's really interesting well because they know it's slipping away they don't want to move and they're so it's hard gotten significantly worse over the last 10 years and they don't want to move yeah and and it's so difficult and the fucking story but people just oh and it's not even it's so casual and cruel the way it's like yeah for our ideology we'll jack up your electric bills and your gas prices and you just have to suck it up because we want to make ourselves feel like we're leading on climate that's the other thing as i was they were yelling at me from this conference and i said you tell me what is the impact of any of this on climate change i said i'll give you everything you're saying about climate change okay let's i agree climate change we've got to fight climate change what is this doing to fight climate change what is the impact on global temperatures of any of this and like nothing because the answer is zero it has zero impact on global temperatures which is the only thing that matters and then someone shouts out this is where they always go oh we're leading we have to have a leadership role we're leading that's it who's following no one because it's crazy it's hurting people all these countries are backing off it that's the one thing that china has an advantage in is that their government and their business work like that yeah and the business works for the government and the government exactly controls the businesses it's not a good thing but the one advantage that they have in there they don't do anything stupid they're just going to lose money for virtue signaling exactly they open coal coal fire plants like crazy exactly which are you know part of the energy that's going into making the solar bills that are shipped across the ocean to make these people feel good it's true it is true it's wild i mean it's just wow i can't believe it's wild but i mean this is the problem with a government handling something versus the private sector if the private sector handled it it would have to be profitable it would have to make sense and they keep saying solar is really cheap you know i said great so why do we have the highest electric bills in the country apart from hawaii if it's also great i'm not again i'm not against it if you want to have a solar panel a battery that's great you know i'm not against any of this but don't force it in a way that just raises the cost for regular working people well california just loves to regulate they love it it's part of the big government have you seen to just the tires the tires yeah oh you've seen yeah i saw it i was gonna bring that out yeah so what is the let's pull it up jamie the new california regulations on tires restricting the kind of tires you could buy um it's just they keep coming they can't help themselves they can't that's exactly what they need to justify all these jobs there's so much government but i just want to give you this is a good example which is all of these things california regulators approved new rules limiting what replacement tires you can buy for your car so what is the rationale behind this approved uh new rules that were restrict which tires you could buy when it's time to replace them unanimous vote california energy commission voted to adopt new rules that will phase out the sale of replacement tires that don't meet certain energy efficiency standards ultimately about protecting consumers i see this as a sheltering the public from higher costs in the long term long run excuse me tire manufacturers and the commission staff are at odds over whether this will add to the cost of living in the state it will both sides acknowledge this will no longer allow the sale of significant portion of the tires currently sold in california by the way that's 70 percent the report so uh the center of this is a tire's rolling resistance or how much energy a tire uses as it rolls down the road lower resistance means a vehicle uses less gas or electricity new cars come with energy efficient tires but consumers typically replace those with higher rolling resistance tires i wonder if that has anything to do with performance cars so you know i would imagine rolling resistance so rolling resistance what would that mean does that mean friction yes basically okay so friction is traction so you want more traction So you're basically making people buy performance tires? No, the other way around. Really? Yeah, the other way around. So traction is less resistance. It's more resistance. Maximum resistance is traction. But if they want, they will allow the sale of tires with a maximum rolling resistance of 9.1 newtons per kiloton. It lowers it to 7.2 starting in 2033. So, yeah, it's making it less traction. That's what it's saying, right? Rolling resistance. I'm not sure what it says. What they want is these. Energy efficient. Ensure replacement of tires sold in California are at least as energy efficient on average as the tires that come with the truck. So my perception is that a tire with more traction would be more efficient. No, for driving, yeah, but not for climate. Yeah, but when you go into the store to buy them, most people are going to buy the cheapest thing available. They're not going to ask for it. Right, and the cheapest thing available would have less traction, correct? It'd just be the cheapest thing available. Right. The thing about the car's performance tires, they don't last as long because there's a softer rubber, and the softer rubber grips better. And so if you buy— But that's what they want to get rid of. That's what they want to get rid of. But those are the ones that have more traction. That's what I'm confused about. That would seem to be more energy efficient in terms of the use of the car. Well, that's what they're arguing it's for. But they are—you're going to end up with these little tires that don't—I mean, all the people that want to go off-road or whatever, that's what you can't buy. You can't buy off-road tires anymore? 70% of the tires are going to be banned that are currently sold. 70? 70%. That was one of the reporters at KCRA, Ashley Zavala. She's really, on all these stories, very aggressive. She's really exposing a lot of this nonsense. And that was, I think, her number, 70%. Wouldn't they just make new off-road tires then? Yeah. It wouldn't be as good. How often are you driving off-road in L.A.? Well, I'm not, but some people are. There's a bunch of people who love driving off-road, and they love having vehicles. Why are we doing this when we have the state is over—you've got homeless everywhere, the highest taxes in the country. Businesses are leaving every single day. It's a real economic emergency. We have the highest unemployment rate in the country. We have the highest poverty rate in the country. The highest cost of living. And this is what the government's focused on. I mean, we've got to wake up, right? This is insane that they're focused on this. They're churning out absolute nonsense. The regulations, the bureaucracy, this is totally unaccountable. This is some bureaucrat that's discovered a rule. Nancy Skinner, who used to represent Berkeley, found this thing in some obscure place that no one had noticed for 20 years. Suddenly, this bureaucrat. A bureaucratic agency decides to bring in this rule. No input from the voters. But here's my question. What is this impact going to have on, like, the car market? Like, if you sell a car that has a particular type of performance tire that no longer fits this— I don't know. I don't know what's— Could we ask perplexity? Is this referring to tires with more traction or less traction? Energy.California.gov. Second sentence. Doesn't matter. Unfortunately, replacement tires are often less efficient. That's why your mileage drops the first time you replace your tires. And the efficiency gap between new car tires and replacement tires means California drivers are paying nearly a billion dollars in additional fuel costs, which is— So are these inefficient tires less expensive? Is that what it is? Yeah, I think I might— Makes sense, right? So the more expensive tires are more efficient, which means they would have better traction? Is that what it is? That makes sense, right? Because if the tire has less traction, that means it slips more. If it slips more, it's not as efficient. You wouldn't get as good a gas mileage. But they're doing this for climate. That's what they're saying. We need to lower emissions. That's what it's all about because of the use of the gas. The 70% thing is crazy. Because if you have a— Let's say if you buy, like, a Chevy truck that's an off-road truck, right? Those are not efficient tires. So what are you going to be able to get for them now? I don't know. I mean, it's just come out. So everyone's looking into this, and you just think— And there's no recourse? No, they've just— Well, there will be when I'm there because I'm going to get rid of these people because this is going back to the question earlier. Okay, benefits of the proposed regulation. Consumer savings. Proposed regulation would save nearly $1 billion per year in gasoline and electricity costs. Right. Air quality. By reducing fuel consumed, the proposed regulation would reduce CO2 emissions by 2.0 million. Nitric tons per year, which is the equivalent of taking 400,000 gasoline cars off California roads, would also reduce other criteria air pollutants such as nitric oxide and particulate matter. Reduced energy demand. The proposed regulation would reduce California demand for gasoline by 141 million gallons. Also reduce demand for electricity by 0.9 terawatts per hour each— Oh, excuse me. Each year. Huh. Okay. The following tires are excluded from the proposed regulation minimum performance standards. Competition tires used for motorsports. Winter-type snow tires. All-season winter performance tires. Used and retreaded tires. Deep tread tires. Tires designed for ATVs or other off-road vehicles. Large off-road tires for use up to 99 miles an hour. Motorcycle tires. Temporary spare tires. Small tires with 13-inch nominal rim diameter. Proposed limited production tires. Tires sold for use on an emergency vehicle. High-load index tires. Tires not capable of sustaining speeds over 50 miles per hour. And space saver tires. So it seems like there's a lot of caveats. No, this is— But look at that. Like, that list again. Nobody believes that this is about saving money. No. It seems like they're just wanting— This is entirely their ideology for climate. This is some bullshit. Is there a world where that makes sense, though? Where they're right and it will reduce all that gasoline and it actually will be better for everybody? And you'll force people to make better tires? And, you know, they're just— They're churning out, like, low-quality tires and this could be mitigated a long time ago? Well, I don't know. I think that the reaction to it is exactly the opposite, which is here they come again. Here they come again is real. Yeah, I mean— Yet another thing. As I said, it's just been— It's been announced, so we've got to dig into it. But, I mean, it's just, to me, such a kind of crazy example of them endlessly micromanaging everything. Yeah, the market should decide. We've got these big, big problems. California's new tire rule could wipe out 70% of what's on the shelf, and Sacramento sat on the law for 23 years. So Sacramento didn't invent a new law on Monday. It finally read one. It wrote, I mean, it's just infuriating to me that this is— They love to tell you what to do. That's part of what California is. So they did— So we did a thing last year. They, in the— Remember, this is the point about there's no checks. No one's stopping anything. Right. In the last legislative session last year, not even the whole year, just a few months, they passed 1,118 bills. We counted them. We printed them out. It was double my height. Obviously, no one can read them. He knew some signs, most of them, like the vast majority. He hasn't read them. It has stuff like this in it, and no one's paying attention. And the corrupt system, the interest groups that want what they want from the system, they get these bills written, and then they get passed. And then here you are 23 years later, something that's in some obscure law. That's how it all works. And the answer to the question, like, what could you do about it, is basically captured in these two things. Like, number one, all these agencies that are pushing out these rules, it's the executive branch. So as the governor, you control the executive branch. You can fire the people on these boards, and you can replace them with people with some common sense. And you can actually merge them. You can reorganize them. You could cut them back. There's a whole bunch of things you could do on the bureaucracy, because so much of this is coming out of the bureaucracy. Secondly, you can veto the legislation. And the point is always made, if they have a two-thirds majority, they can overturn a veto. That's correct. But the last time they overturned a veto from the governor was 1979. So they don't like doing it, because suddenly they have to justify all this shit that goes through without any scrutiny. If you veto it, if they want to overturn it, suddenly they have to make the argument. And so much of what you get in California just goes through without anyone noticing. That's the real corruption in the system. And so the other thing I'd say is that you also write the budget. The governor writes the budget and sends it to the legislature. And then you have to negotiate. But again, if you take out all this waste, and we just announced last week Operation Zero Waste, cancel funding for high-speed railways, speed rail, cancel free health care for illegal immigrants all these things that we said we do how much has been spent on that high speed rail so far total 15 billion oh that's a bargain so the total they've got a lot done though right okay so that was so it was 2008 it was supposed to be 30 billion the total budget and it's supposed to be open in 2020 and it was two and a half hours from san francisco to la so the latest is it's gonna be open maybe if you're lucky by the end of 2030s it's gonna be the new budget from 30 billion is now 230 billion right the plan as they laughably call it is the first bit is san francisco to merced at the top of the central valley on the regular train line that's already there and then merced to bakersfield is the high speed rail and then bakersfield to la a bus bus have you heard that that's real it's real that drive from bakersfield to la which i've done a lot it's through the great already congested as right you can take that can take two and a half hours yeah if you're unlucky so this is what it's and it's so 230 billion for that billion and then becerra my opponent he went to fresno the other week he announced that he would that he would finish it on time and on budget on time was six years ago on budget they've spent 120 million dollars okay the total the budget was 30 they've spent 15 and they've not laid any tracks at all gavin it's classic gavin it's almost my favorite he did an event because obviously he's running for president he doesn't this is embarrassing he wants to sort of shape the narrative so he did this press conference somewhere there with trains in the background to make it look like this is a a real thing and they haven't laid any track and there's no plans to lay any track but he was standing by tracks to sort of i think make people think there's tracks but even he the the phrase that he used was to announce that we are now entering the track laying face phase that could be another 10 years it's so ridiculous and then you're gonna have to get a bus and the bus it's real that is the plan and then so why is that because the just logistics they can't get the train through the mountains yeah that's it so you have to have a bus yeah i mean oh they they i don't actually know what the long-term plan i can't believe that's the whole idea i think that's just what's going to be available it says it's just like the most tunneling has to happen on that part so maybe they're just waiting i think it's a long it's not the eventual so they'll do some more tunnels it says it would require the most tunneling of the mountain crossings with four separate tunnels tolling 28 miles in length how much of the nature across the san andreas fault which is the biggest problem oh even better they're going to cause an earthquake how much of nature is going to get destroyed in the production of that but who even wants this i mean tunneling through mountains the the other thing is so i some i spoke to someone who works with elon where you can check with elon so he said that you could do the the you know the boring company i could do a tunnel the whole thing for five billion now i don't know if that's true but um it's this is such a you know it's such a monument to the whole thing right yeah take the money waste it spend it on nothing endlessly delayed how come gavin's not running again he can't he can't oh he did yeah yeah two times two terms yeah yeah it's so crazy and you've got this pretend this is what's really they're just a video that someone found of him talking in 2015 when he was lieutenant governor about what a joke the whole thing was yeah aren't speaking very honestly about it yeah and and it's kind of funny and ridiculous oh look at that he says that then now he says but it's actually infuriating because they're still taking the money to pay for it they're still pretending and they're taking money out of the funding like i said comes from this thing called cap and invest which is the gas tax it's just insane steve i hope you win we've got to wrap this up and bring it home but i hope you win it'll be funny yeah it'll be it would be hilarious if you win great what job do you want to i don't want a job we'll have you do something i don't even like going back to california well okay the only reason i'm doing it is that you've moved back i'm never gonna move back i know it's too good here i love it here i can see that i really hope you win thank you man yeah i think you have a chance i really do i mean you make you make a lot of sense and that's a lot in this in this day and age it's a lot you're also actually a good guy like i know you you're an actual good guy you're not like some weird lizard person you you know what i mean like there's some yes i do i've met a lot in sacramento you are who you are you you you are really you i could attest to that i know you like i've known you before you had any political aspirations you're the exact same person there's a lot of these people that are just skin suits they're skin suits over lizards there's lizards in there whether metaphorically or physically they're lizard people and that's that's a real thing so i hope you win you can come to my inauguration i will just come just that commit to that yeah i'll come if you win i'll come all right all right all right bye everybody you