#2540 - Travis Barker

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day we're up what's up good to see you brother what's cracking to be seen man stoked to be here stoked to have you man yeah what a fucking cute kid you have dude thank you thank you he's the best man so he loves you when you're trying to put him down he's like no i think it's because i just spent we just went to uh utah and i had three or five days with him just like a lot of time with him and he has separation anxiety from me as i do with him i'm like it's the best man and people that don't have kids it's like you don't understand the level of love that you have for them it's yeah it's really crazy or people who have kids and don't hang out with their kids like that i just i don't get it i don't get it either i'll spend every second i can with my kids yeah it's weird it's weird people maybe it's something that happened to them when they were young or something i don't know yeah so what's cracking what's what's the latest uh i mean my doc came out today today so yeah yep long time coming what was that experience like well the beginning of it was was shortly after my book came out so i kind of understood why people wanted a doc from me at that point and um i was i was honored and i was flattered and i was you know going down the journey of of filming this doc but it it didn't really have an ending um i guess the light at the end of the tunnel during that time around 2017 was that i was sober and i survived a plane crash but really i was struggling with ever flying again uh struggling with survivor's guilt struggling with a lot of stuff uh and at the time the directors had mentioned to me like can you just look at a plane or act like you're gonna go fly in a plane or walk towards a plane i was like fuck no i would never i can't even consider it i can't even do it for you for for like fantasy purposes for the end of this doc you know um and i think that set in after a while where i had to acknowledge and and and just understand i was i was afraid to ever fly again and and this thing had huge power over me to the point where it you know it dictated how i got on tour how many days i'd travel on bus to new york how many days i'd be on the queen mary 2 going to england how long would that take oh dude so long the england one's crazy comfortably on the bus from here to new york probably six or seven days if you want to stop at hotels and at you know i don't know i don't know i don't know i toured with my kids you know their whole life so stopping and doing some cool stuff for them six seven days and then a 10-day boat ride from from new york to the hamptons it's crazy yeah so yeah my band would leave they'd be in england in 10 hours whatever it would take me three weeks it sucked and then sometimes i'd be on the queen mary 2 and we'd have wild weather 30 foot waves 70 mile per hour winds and i was like is this any better than being on a plane but the the ocean freaks me out yeah the big waves in particular they freak me out yeah we got into a couple storms on one of the transatlantic crossings that yeah believe me like something was festering inside where i had this urge to to to try to figure out what had this power over me which was flying and um yeah yeah well it's totally understandable yeah i think about it every day after a certain point and then plus my kids you know they grew up not flying they they grew up associating a plane uh to a metal container where people die i think you know unfortunately because that's what happened you know to my two best friends and the two pilots who were on my plane uh so yeah it was it was it was hard and then i knew the day i did it would show them that they could also do it and it would probably break the the trauma and the spell that my my accident caused however many years ago and yeah i think after my accident and that whole process i just everything people said i couldn't do after that i would just check them off one by one oh you're not going to run again oh you're not going to play the drums again oh you're not you're not going to do this again and uh and the one that i gave myself the restriction i gave myself is i'd never fly again you know and i i broke it and i fly again and how many years did it take you before you got on a plane again 20 and i even think back to that i'm like 20 years i lost 20 years with this thing having power over me but it just it was like a monster it kept getting bigger and bigger and i was like i gotta well you gotta look at it like in terms of the odds you survived a plane crash which is the odds of that are astronomical the odds of you getting in another plane crash are super low yeah i know nobody thinks about it like that because it's the opposite because you've actually experienced it so you know what it is like oh my god this is a real possibility yeah i can see that now because my my son who's 22 he doesn't love to fly and i always say like we just were in utah and i took a flight you know uh he ended up driving and i was like son that's way more dangerous like fly with me i'm never gonna put you on a plane that i think is unsafe i'm so adamant about making sure the pilot's great the the planes had maintenance whatever else how do you check all that stuff well just if we're flying private you're able to like you know really make sure it's a great plane uh sometimes even we'll fly on like someone's plane that we know so that makes me feel better but yeah he just he just drove 16 hours round trip i was like son that's way more dangerous it is but yeah that's what i tell myself and i just gotta have faith and um yeah what was the first plane trip like after 20 years it was nothing like i'd imagined it uh i i made a deal with my wife and i just said hey if there's ever somewhere we can't go because she was a champ man she was she was on tour buses with me she was on whatever just you know going kind of close by for trips that we'd go on and i said if there's ever a trip that you want us to go on that i need to fly just don't tell me and uh tell me the night before and let's leave in the morning and i'm gonna do it so that's what it was and the flight was awesome had contained none of the awful nightmares that i had fabricated in my head that it would be like uh over the years and yeah i i think i just needed a positive experience to cancel out the the last bad one that i had yeah you know um yeah that helped a lot and i think i think also coming to terms with being so close to my godson who was my assistant's son who passed away in my plane crash and uh and his mom and chay's mom and just knowing uh that that there was no there was no hard feelings and and the survivor's guilt i was feeling was was my own and to just think about them and if the roles were reversed would they want me to really just sit around not flying again or have this thing have power over me um or if i was in their shoes would i want that for them like of course not yeah it's a it's an experience that so few people ever have i mean i can't imagine what it's like especially losing your friends and just the the trauma of the actual impact the whole thing just stuck in your head it's yeah i mean to this day i always like my wife's a great flyer my band they're all good flying you know i think they can my wife can probably envision a trip plan a trip envision how rad it's going to be how cool it's going to be doing rock climbing or whatever we're going to do all i can think about until i get there is like am i going to make it is is this gonna you know i did this once and i almost died so you know i had to just stop that pattern of thinking to the best of my ability it still happens a little bit but i still can't i have trouble booking planes i have trouble booking flights um without thinking of those things this episode of the joe rogan experience is presented by the farmer's dog gently cooked fresh dog food that's clinically 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That's Code Rogan in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Event trading offered by DraftKings Predictions, a CFTC-registered introducing broker. Trading involves risk of loss. Market availability varies. Eligibility restrictions apply. $50 every seven days via click-to-claim issued and non-withdrawable Predictions dollars that expire in one year. Ends August 23rd. Terms at DKNG.co slash PredictionsPromo. Yeah, I can only imagine. Well, it's awesome that you got through it and got over it and did it publicly so that other people can get inspiration from that and just realize, like, hey, maybe for them it was a car accident or a bus accident or whatever it is. Like, you can keep moving. Yeah, for sure. And at the time, you know, A.M. survived with me, and then he lived for another year and passed away of a drug overdose. But during that time where after I'd gotten out of the burn center and did most of my recovery, it was hard to find anyone who had been in a plane crash that was severely burnt, like, you know, and lost people. There was a lot of groups and a lot of people that, like, support systems for people who were grieving and lost someone in a plane crash, you know? Yeah. So I was kind of just lonely trying to navigate, figure it out, just recently, just, like, a few days ago before my doc came out, someone kept tagging me, and I saw it. It's this young lady named Reva. She had a similar experience where she was in a plane crash, 50% of her body was burnt, and she lost her mom in the plane crash. So I was like, this is really similar to me, and I've never met anyone that had even remotely kind of the same experience. So I flew her out, and she was at my premiere, and it was just cool. And I said, you know, it's just as cool for me to meet you as for you to meet me. Like, this is – I don't see anyone or meet anyone like you, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, it's cool. That's a very cool human experience. Yeah. You know, just share it with somebody and realize, like, you've both been through something pretty horrible, but you came out on the other side and find comfort in each other. I think the closest thing that I came to that was right after my accident, and I was out to dinner. The guy who flew the plane and landed in the river, remember that? Yeah, he came up and shook my hand. He didn't say a word to me, but I was like, oh, wow, that's awesome, you know? That story's fucking crazy. Dude, crazy. Birds. Yeah. Birds took the plane down. Yeah. You would think they would have figured that out by now. Yeah, the smallest error, you know? It's insane. Yeah. Flying is weird, but I prefer it over the boat. Mm-hmm. The boat thing in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. You've got to do the boat once. Fuck you. Queen Mary 2 is weird. It's wild. There's a morgue on there, too. What? Yeah, most people that are on there are 80 years old, and they're doing their one transatlantic crossing. And so some of them die? A lot of them. Oh, boy. There's a lot of, I think every transatlantic crossing, because I'm on there with my crew and my assistant and my tour manager. It's like, yep, someone passed, you know? Wow. A morgue on the boat. It happens so often. There's a morgue, a jail. A jail? Yeah, there's a jail. How many people are on the Queen Mary? Queen Mary 2. Thousands. Whoa. Yeah, I mean, if someone pops off on the boat, they got to, you know, there's police. It's legit. It's legit. Wow. And the whole experience, they almost celebrate when you're crossing the Titanic, where the Titanic sits. They're, like, playing the movie on the ship. They're announcing it. I was like, this is just different. Yeah. Fuck that. Yeah. Oh, my God. But it was, honestly, I would practice all day. I would practice all day. I would run miles across the ship, just on the outside of the ship. There was a lot of cool times on the boat as well. Well, I'm sure. You know, you usually fly to tour. You land. That's what I do now. And it's like, go. Where I would just train every day, play drums four hours a day, run two hours a day. By the time I got ready, you know, to where I was going, I'm like, I'm so ready for tour. It's like, whatever life throws at me, I'm good. It's just crazy that even the Queen Mary 2, getting across in 10 days, that's got to be, like, way faster than the old boats used to do it, right? I don't know. Dude, you're going so slow. It doesn't even look like you're moving. Sometimes you're like, are you serious? You don't see shit for 10 days. Just water. Once in a while, you'll start seeing birds when you know you're getting close to land. But other than that, nothing. How many times have you done that trip? Seven. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'd rather fly, for sure. It's just the idea of something going wrong in the middle of the ocean. Yeah, I started to think about it. You're fucked. Yeah, you're fucked. There's no place to land a helicopter on there. How can someone even get to you? It's thousands of miles out to sea. Yeah, both suck to me, right? Falling out of the sky on a plane, crashing into the ocean sucks. Also being. Sinking in a huge ship with thousands of people fending for their lives sucks. I've just watched too many boat videos of them navigating insane waves that look like a building coming at them. Dude, I was in it. Yeah? Yeah, we were in it. I think we lost a couple windows in the ship. And you're basically confined to your room. But huge, where you just see the boat go up and then you go crashing down. And you're, you know, you're four or five days away. And you're four or five days into the trip. So you still got. You're in the middle of your crossing. What does that feel like? Sucks. We're on a giant boat with thousands of people. Sucks. The internet goes out usually on the boat and you're just watching something in your room. Just waiting for everything to get more calm. How big were these waves? I think we were in 35-foot waves. Yeah. Like this? Yes, it looks exactly like that. Yeah, this freaks me out, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's like some. When they. This is not that bad. Oh, look how much the boat's moving. This is a hurricane force winds, it says. Yeah, that's like choppy weather. I mean, there's positives, too. We saw the northern lights from our cruise one time and it was like. I've never seen it anywhere else, but it was beautiful. It was cool. Yeah, I want to make a trip to somewhere like Norway or wherever you can see it. It's not like this. Yeah, this is insane. Oh, yeah. I almost did that one time. I almost went on a. Not a passenger ship, but a cargo ship because I was trying to find ways to get to Australia. You were going to go to Australia by boat? You know who told me about it? You know who else doesn't fly and was on the Queen Mary twice with me? It was KRS-One. Really? Yeah. He was like, I'm right there with you, Trav. And I was like, did something happen to you or why you're just confined to being on ships? He's like, no, I just don't like flying. So him and his family actually, he had told me about the cargo ship for some of the other places that didn't have actual cruises. How long is a boat ride to Australia? Dude, a month. I think it's a month. I mean, I never went. I never went. The plane flight is hard enough. 20-something hours or whatever it is. Yeah. Fuck that. Fuck a month. It just makes you really think about the insane adventure spirit of the people that just, took off on canoes and made it across the ocean. Yeah, or those wild-ass people that do it by themselves just here to Hawaii. Yeah, there's a lot of those people. Yeah. Yeah, I know a dude who just did that. But that's, I mean, the people back when there was no internet, back when there was no newspapers or no nothing, like the Polynesian people that just got on boats and made it to Hawaii. Insane. Yeah. Like, did you have, what was plan B? What's, you know, what do you do if you're out? Where are you getting water? How are you staying alive? Yeah, I think plan B is making plan A work. Yeah, that's it. The plan B. There is no plan. But how bad does life suck that you're willing to get in a boat and just hope there's some food when you land? And they didn't have big boats either. Yeah. So what the fuck were the waves like for them? Also, no weather app on the iPhone. Yeah. Like, you have no idea what's coming. True. Zero idea what's waiting for you. And, you know, you're with your family and you're paddling out there. Yeah. It's the unknown, absolute unknown. And then how do you get back? Or do you? Or do you just say, well, this is where we are? I mean, it must have taken months and months and months to get out there. How do they stay alive? Like, human ingenuity, like people's ability to thrive and survive is pretty insane when pushed to the limits. Yeah. Like people, I have a friend who fasts half of the year. He's just drinking juice and water. For six months? 160 days a year. He does it every year. How? He's Chef Edo. How much weight does he use? He's a chef. He's actually a chef that took a vow of silence 30 years ago. A plant-based raw chef. And for half of the year, he doesn't eat. he just fasts and it's more for like health reasons. like cleansing and to prevent disease, whatever else. But he gets really thin and then just goes back to his normal weight the second half of the year. I don't know if that's good. I don't know either. Who told him that's good? He might not even be good. He just does these things. Yeah, I don't think it is. Half of the year fasting. I don't think it's good. 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Yeah, I have a hard enough time fasting a day before surgery or something, you know? Well, it's all dependent upon whether or not your body's eating a lot of carbohydrates or not. Yeah. If you're on a ketogenic diet, it's a lot easier. Your body just immediately goes to burning fat, and your appetite is not as strong. It's not as insane a pull, the gravity of it. But I can't even imagine why you would do that, fast for six months. I think there's a lot of data that shows that fast, fasting for three days and five days and things along those lines, is good. It causes autophagy. It makes your body clean out bad cells. It's very good for people that are recovering from cancer or going through cancer. It's one of the first things a lot of doctors tell you. Get on a ketogenic diet and fast because cancer cells want glucose. That's what they want to survive, and you starve them. And when your body's like on a carbohydrate, you're still on a plant-based diet. So your body's eating carbs. You're eating mostly carbohydrates all the time. So you have to kind of refuel all the time. It gets used to it. So when someone like you takes a day off of food, it's like the pull of the carbohydrates, like the insulin dump, it's a lot. Yeah. I mean, I eat so much protein, though. I get so much protein from lentils, like an insane amount of protein from lentils, beans, all the natural stuff, not like mock meats. So like all my blood work that I do, my protein is – Top notch. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. I've figured it out, though, too. Like there's a lot of – I mean, there's a lot of junk food meat eaters, a lot of junk food vegans. It's about dialing your shit in, you know what I mean, and figuring it out. But even you, when you were recovering from your burns, you started eating meat. Well, because I had doctors that were super old school in the hospital with me that figured out I wasn't eating because they were trying to feed me. They were trying to feed me a bunch of meat, and they stuck a hose down my throat. And that just sucked. They stuck a hose down your throat? Mm-hmm, to like feed you like that because I was like secretly just eating kind of like what I wanted but not eating a bunch of the meat because I told them, hey, I don't really eat meat. So there was like a miscommunication where they just put a hose down my throat and were feeding me like that. And then during that time, one of my nurses was super cool, and he started making me bad. So I would eat bags of beef jerky. So I would eat beef jerky in the hospital to get whatever protein that they wanted me to have and then down a peanut butter blast smoothie from, what is that? Is it Robux or something like that? Like one of those, and it's 3,000 calories. So I was averaging. I basically had a 6,000 to 7,000 calorie diet I needed to hit every day. Wow. In order to heal because I just had 30 surgeries in six months. So it was just trying to get enough. Just 30 times being anesthetized for six months is fucking hard on your body. Yeah. I was so out of it. I didn't really know until towards the end, you know? But yeah. Jeez, man. Did you ever try using a hyperbaric chamber? I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it after. You know, my best friend that was in the accident with me, A.M., he was, I think 6% of his body was burnt. And he went in the hyperbaric and I think he had a small graft on the back of his head. He was out of the hospital in a week and a half. But I had 70% of my body burnt. So there was no way I was getting out of the hospital no matter how much I did it or didn't do it. I tried doing it. And I was just in such an awful place after my accident where I had so much trauma with losing my best friends. And I was definitely, my reaction was much different than Adam's. And I couldn't go on the small tube. There was no way. I think at the time it reminded me too much of the inside of the plane. Really? Yeah. I just felt really claustrophobic. And I was also having a hell of a time. A.M. was sober. Sober for 15 years when it happened. I was a drug addict, you know, before my plane crash. And you take a person who's self-medicating, put them through 30 surgeries, give them a bunch of pain meds and they're not working. That was me. So I was waking up every surgery, screaming, swinging on doctors. Oh, Jesus Christ. I was a madman, you know. Um, until, until they weaned me off. And by the, by the time I got out of there, I was, I never wanted to put anything in my body again and, uh, had a great relationship with all my doctors and Dr. Grossman, who owns the burn center, the Grossman burn center. It was, uh, yeah, it was full circle. But that's a crazy trial by fire to get off drugs. Yeah, that was my, that was my, that was my rehab. Yeah. I was like, wow, fuck dude, that has to mean you're confined to a bed. You're stuck. They're giving you pain medications. You're going through 30 surgeries. You have 70% of your body burnt. Your friends just died and you're in this hospital by yourself. Huge wake up call. What a fucking, what a wild ride your mind must've been going through. Yeah. It's, uh, you know, I was coming home from a show. I was coming home from a gig and yeah, who would think you get in, get in a plane coming home from a show and you're going to end up in a burn center for six months, you know, four people are gone and 70% of your body's burnt. Takes a minute to process, you know? Why did they think you were never going to be able to play the drums again? Well, there was a point where they were going to amputate my foot because they didn't think they could, they could, uh. They, they had enough skin left to, to heal my foot or save it. And then because of the amount of burns I had over my body, they weren't, they weren't positive I was even going to make it. So it was like once they knew I was out of critical condition and I was going to make it, they were, you know, all my nerves were messed up in my hands. Like my ulnar nerve was shot in both hands. My hands. My hands were numb. There was a lot of, it's just the unknown, you know? I can only imagine. I think it sucks that you couldn't use the hyperbaric because it definitely accelerates healing. Yeah. Even now I go in, I go in sometimes now there's a hyperbaric, uh, in Los Angeles that seats two people and that's perfect for me. It's just like I could stay in there for two hours and I'm fine. It's just a confined space thing for you. Yeah. I just don't love being. I just don't like being in confined spaces. Yeah. I don't love it either, but I do it. Yeah. But it's, I've never been through what you've been through. You know what the mind fuck is, is the, the time it takes to depressurize it. So even if you're like, okay, I'm done. They're like seven minutes, eight minutes, whatever. While we depressurize it. I think that's, that's why I just feel better in the two seater. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Fuck dude. What? Now when you're doing this documentary, are you, does it relive all this stuff for you? Every time. Every time. Like, yeah, I was so excited to come on, on this with you. Cause I'm like, I'm going to talk fights with Joe. I'm going to talk whatever, cars, whatever. We could do that, man. But some of, some of them have been, I mean, they've all been great, but I mean, to tell the truth, I think since, I'm not sure why, but maybe since I was a kid, you know, I lost my mom at a young age, like 13. Like I could, a stranger could come up to me outside this place and be like, dude, I just lost my dad. And I'd probably start bawling. Cause it's. It's sensitive to me, it triggers something. to me um so yeah it's like talking about certain parts of the doc is like gutting me with a knife you know um were you conflicted as to whether or not you wanted to go through with this and relive all that stuff um i i think i was already far past it it was it was it was to the point where my doc was done in 2017 but i'm like there's no ending the ending sucks i won't look at a plane i won't do anything and then fast forward you know that was their dream ending just stare at a fucking plane for me right and i'm like nah you know um so and then fast forward to now 2024 or whatever it was when i flew or 2025 it was like yo i fly i fly again my kids fly uh i'm married um like so many things have changed and that kind of triggered me to finish it because there was a huge light at the end of the tunnel now right it was like yeah i had this thing that had power for me for 20 years but i fly again and uh and and i i think the other parts of the doc like uh an amazing like rough relationship with my dad when when i was younger turned into something like beautiful where he's like my best friend um that's awesome i wasn't i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth i grew up you know not we didn't even have like running hot water in my house uh so it was like my dad was in the music industry and my mom was a an agent it was like no i i fucking didn't know how i was going to get out of where i i grew up and i just played every day and i was relentless and i joined every band and i played with everyone and i practiced two to five hours a day you know so just even giving some kid hope knowing that he can do the same thing was was like a big part of my documentary that i felt like could help a lot of people for sure and then just to see me get knocked down and um and just have to fight you know over and over again when fucked up things happen to me and just watching me have these things just make me stronger and stronger and unbreakable i think that's the resilience i think that that that is something for for me that's what i'm trying to do i'm trying to for people to see you know yeah there's two great messages in there the big one is that you can overcome that no matter how fucked up things are if you keep going and if you keep you stay positive you do the right thing you trust the process at the end of it you'll come out better yeah and then your the formula for success is the same formula almost everyone has that is really awesome at something become obsessed become driven and just throw everything you have in that thing and you come out better and yeah you eventually get to where you want to be or get to where you are it's it's it's an undeniable formula yeah and kids need to hear that especially kids in this world where everybody thinks everything comes quick and everybody wants a you know it's a tick-tock mindset and everybody wants a pill to lose weight and everyone wants it's all the process is the most important thing and just get become becoming obsessed and in love with the process yeah and and so many people i don't know they come out better than me i don't know i don't know if they're gonna like there's not a lot of balance right like i've i've found more balance now but it's like no you've got to be fucking obsessed and you got to be relentless and you gotta while all your homies are out doing whatever you should be practicing you know what i mean you got to be disciplined like i'm so you know my parents were uh they were they were really strict with me like yo if you want to go skateboarding you want to go ride bmx bikes go whatever fuck off with your friends you got to go play drums for three hours wow i'm so thankful they did that can you imagine if they didn't you know because the one thing also in my doc is like every time like my mom dies what do i do i i just throw myself into music and drumming like obsessed with drumming you know join marching band orchestra jazz band you know like just literally eat sleep and breathe it same thing after my accident what did i do day i got home i'm outside with scabs all over my body and i'm playing the fucking drums because it's like what i know and also i think for kids they're like i'm even that don't have to hopefully endure anything i encountered it's like it gives you confidence when you're good at something it's like when i don't know anything i think when kids bully you and whatever else if you're good at something you're like fuck you like i know i'm really good at football i'm really good at jujitsu i'm really good at guitar i feel like it just gives you confidence 100 and uh helps you just kind of navigate through life better yeah you know it's a vehicle for developing you as a human being and totally whatever it is whether it's art whether it's music whether it's literature whatever you're doing writing whatever you're doing yeah carpentry whatever it is just become obsessed with a thing get better at it and you realize that okay i there's a process i can get better things i'm valuable i'm i can do something yeah i'm not just a lazy sack of shit the problem is the masses aren't like that right so like sometimes you feel lonely being like that but uh yeah i feel like have you ever read relentless by tim grover no it's fuck it's my bible but uh i just had my premiere in la and he introduced my doc what is it it's it's it's a book and he basically talks about being a cooler um closer a cleaner you know and like cleaners are are like people like you and i that are obsessed with shit and you know if we won a grammy today we're not what's next you know what's next we're not uh we're on vacation and we're practicing and we're not feeling bad about it we're it's just it's it's a mindset that not a lot of people have and they almost make you feel like you're doing something wrong because you're so obsessed with something yeah um well people will make you feel like there's something wrong with you oh yeah like and i've and it took me a while honestly after i read his book i'm like oh i'm not alone there's a bunch of fucking psychopaths like me that just i love the fucking drums i love to make music i could stay in the studio for 25 hours you know um and and i don't feel burnt out and it makes me feel alive and it's therapeutic and i always i'm never content with where i'm at i always know i have room to grow i know there's things i can get better at um yeah there's and then there's like you know there's people that are very content just being like i'm not gonna get any better i'm just i'm cool with where i'm at i know this is kind of peak level for me i can never think like that this episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog here's a fun fact research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time so why is feeding vague 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dodge charger scat pack learn more at dodge.com dodge is a registered trademark of fca us llc yeah i mean i guess that's just how it has to be in order for there to be outliers there there's always going to be people that just whatever for whatever reason never follow through never do what they really want to do you know what is that uh thoreau comment the thoreau quote most men live lives of quiet desperation there's a lot of that there's a lot of people that wish they wish they had the energy or the inspiration or the discipline or whatever it is to do the thing that they want to do to get up and just to do something that really brings them joy really brings them excitement really makes them feel fulfilled really like like ignites that creative fire inside of them that where you do something and it's done you're like fuck yeah yeah there's a lot of people that never experience fuck yeah oh yeah it's a rough life i feel like that's the journey find that you know like or like that quote uh find something you love and figure out a way to get paid for it like that's the that's great but i think yeah things like that have just especially after my accident i'm like yo life is short um there's and it can go at any time i can go anytime i've i've i've learned i've been smacked in the face over and over again you know um yeah and just always feeling like i remember uh there's this guy named harry shannon that was like very instrumental in helping me get sober or me trying to get sober before my accident when i got sober and he's like you know i have to ask men like if you died right now would you be able to get sober and he's like i have to ask men like if you died right now would you be able to get sober and he's like you know i have to ask men like if you died right now would be the man you'd want people to remember you by and i'm like i need to get to that place you know that that's just where i want to sit that's where i want to live yeah you know well i always tell tell people live your life as if there's a documentary crew following you around and you're doing something awesome like if you wanted to be inspired by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing something just someone who's like wow that fucking dude's getting after it yeah be that person in real life the other thing i've learned is that you always tell people become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid it's so funny or who you're pretending to be on the internet or social media yeah just actually become that person it's so much easier yeah pretending because there's obviously someone that's like that that's why we understand the archetype that's why we understand like this very exceptional person so become that person yeah you can do it anybody could do it we all change and grow and that's what's i think really important about people like you telling your story is that there's a lot of young people out there that don't have anybody like you in their life and they can see it and relate to you and under and it gives them fuel it can your story and just you talking about things passionately can change a young person's life there's a young girl or young guy out there that can hear you and that just your story makes them take a step makes them go in the right direction makes them make a move to something we all need something from other people we feed on that and that's what i'm trying to do and that's what i'm trying to do and that's what i'm off of other people's energy. Yeah, I feel that. It's like when people see David Goggins for the first time and you're like, oh, I'm going to get after it. I'm going to get after it. You know what I mean? That's important. Yeah, and I didn't know. I said, you know, I've watched my doc like 15, 20 times now, and I even watched it the other day at the premiere, and I'm like holding back tears, and I'm like, fuck, it's so heavy. But just the reaction from everyone is like, yo, that changed my life. Like I can't look at life the same, and I'm like, if anything, I love that, you know? We all need that. I'd hate to put out. Also, it's not like I made my own documentary, but I was honored and flattered someone wanted to do this documentary with me, but like hate to put out something that doesn't help people. Right, right. Is this water right here? Yeah, yeah, there's a glass right in front of you. There you go. I ran, what is it called, Lake Austin? Uh-huh. Ladybird. I ran it today, yeah. It's dope. So nice. Isn't it beautiful? So beautiful. This is such a great place. If I lived here, I would be out there every day and tons of people running. I know. So cool. There's a lot of healthy people in this town. And I didn't, my goal was to just wake up and walk. I went to like this good espresso spot that has like Cortados, had a coffee, and then I have like long shorts on, like sweatshorts, cut-off sweats, suicidal tendency sweats, and high socks, and just regular shoes, and where I come from, where I grew up, it was called the Inland Empire. And I'm like, oh my God, I look so Inland Empire right here. No shirt, long ass sweats, suicidal tendencies. People are like, he's not from here, you know? But I'm like, hey, I'm here with you guys. Yeah, but you blend right in. Everybody blends in here. This is a very blend-in town. I love Austin. It's great. It's cool. Yeah. But that lake is a really fun spot. And again, very inspirational too, because there's a lot of people getting after it. Yeah. A lot of people that look good, they look healthy. Yeah, it was like a. I don't know. Honestly, I was surprised. Really? From the moment I touched down yesterday, just walking, like my wife and Rocky, we just went walking, and everyone was running even yesterday. And then today, it was like similar to when that feeling in LA where you have like those boot camps or whatever, but there's no organized boot camp. There's just people out there getting after it. Yeah. I love being around that. Well, this is a very fit town. I mean, it's become the jiu-jitsu hub of the country. Yeah, it's kind of crazy, and it all happened during the pandemic. You know, there's a lot of things that changed about this place because people got sick of whatever the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was New York or LA, and they came here. And a lot. Well, it started out with Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan and John Donaher, who are the like. Gordon's the greatest jiu-jitsu athlete of all time, and he moved here. And John Donaher is the greatest coach of all time, and he moved here, and they set up shop. And then all the guys they train with came here, and then a ton of other people. Other people just moved here and started up schools, too. So there's a ton of jiu-jitsu going on here, a ton of MMA going on here. There's gyms everywhere, all these functional fitness gyms. It's like a feeling here of there's an energy of people that want to do something, that really want to be active, that want to be excited about something, that want to make something happen. And I think a lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this town became like a symbol of change. Like, where ever the fuck I used to live before, now I'm going to move to this new thing, and I'm going to really take advantage of the fact that this is different. That this place is different. This is my new place. This is my new feeling of my life. It's a new environment, and then all these other people that moved here have this similar desire to like excel and make their life more exciting. And just, it's an awesome place. Yeah, I feel that. I think you usually see it in New York or L.A., but you see it here. Yeah. It's like everyone's in shape, or it's like, it feels like it's ahead, you know? There's energy here. Yeah. And there's energy here because of the people that moved here. You know, when we opened up the comedy club, I mean, we all came here because there was nowhere we could perform in L.A. L.A. was locked down for comedy. And just like you playing the drums and doing music, comedians are addicted. They're addicted to performing. They're addicted to writing. They're addicted to like, and a lot of these guys were young people. They're addicted to being young people, where their career just was shut off. And, you know, they're in their 20s, and they're pursuing their dream, and they're barely getting by. They're making no fucking money. But they're in Hollywood. They're at the comedy store. And then all of a sudden, the comedy store is closed for a year and a half. It was fucking nuts. And so when we came out here, you know, it started off, it was Ron White, and then me and Tony Hinchcliffe. And then it was like, we lit the fire. Come on. And then next thing you know, there's like 20 world-class comedians. 20 comedians moved to Austin. And we set up the club. And then now there's five clubs on my street, on the street where my club is. There's five other clubs there. It's crazy. There's so many comics here. And it's just exploding with creativity and enthusiasm and momentum. There's like so much momentum. Cam Patterson, who came out of here, just got SNL. You know, Shane Gillis obviously just became like the biggest comic in the world. And it's all, Kill Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world. That's out of my club. It's so wild, yeah. It's all like. Oh, that's out of your club? Yeah, every Monday it's out of my club. Dude, I get all the clippings from it all the time. And I'm like, he's so funny. Also, Ron, I saw Ron White and Shane Gillis at the Netflix Sucks. Oh, right. At the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah. So good. Yeah. I worked with Ron last night. He's great. He's the best. Yeah, Shane Gillis is my favorite, obviously. He's so funny. He's the best. He doesn't even have to say anything, just his face. Well, he's just a great guy. Like, he just. I just love. When you're around him, you're having fun. Yeah. Like, he's just a big. He's a big smile. Yeah. You know? I could imagine. Yeah. So having him out here. Yeah, they were like, hey, do you want to go meet him before the thing? I'm like, no, no, no. I'm like, okay. I'm like, I just want to watch his show. Like, yeah. I'm sure he'd love to meet you. Yeah. It's just having a place where a bunch of like-minded people are trying to do the same thing is so important. And if you don't have that in your life, that's what I was talking about, like your story and your documentary and just hearing you talk about stuff. Yeah. It's so important for people because we all need other people that are doing a similar thing or at least doing a thing that we wish we were doing. Yeah. That it gives us. And it might not be for them. It might not be playing the drums. It might be painting. It might be something else. But it's like, oh, that guy has that feeling about drums the way I have this feeling about playing guitar or I have this feeling about drawing pictures, whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. It's like you need to know that this feeling that you have inside of you and wanting to do something. Something special is not unique. There's other people that have it. You just have to find them to find those people. And if they're not around you, at least now we have this amazing ability to connect with these people through the Internet. It's it's incredible. Yeah. It's like they say, like you are who you you're the closest five people that are around you. Yep. It's like the same thing. Completely true. Completely true. Yeah. I feel that, too. And they don't have to be doing exactly what you're doing. Yeah. I'm like in our old neighborhood. We're because were you on Khalifa? Yes. OK, so I'm on Khalifa. You know, I moved my studio. You literally left. Yeah. Like COVID hit. You left. left and i moved in over there yeah i know i heard so um i wonder how close we were too i think we were real close really i think we were right down the street from each other so uh even just being in that neighborhood like i run a lot in there right and one day i was running it was so it was so weird i think i saw your pod and gene jock was on it right john jock machado john jock machado and um and then the maybe two days later i'm at uh i'm i'm at blue bottle grabbing a coffee and him and all his boys from his his gym come up they're like hey come train come train i'm like okay and then the next day i'm running and i don't even know where his spot is and i'm running and then there's his his dojo like you know his gym and uh and i just walked in and started training but being around him and like his story like being around people who have inspiring stories and are motivating and and are are productive and are hungry and you know yeah it's the biggest the biggest difference in the world john jock is an awesome soul he's an awesome guy what a great guy yeah i started training with him in 1998 yeah wow yeah i was training a lot and then uh i was also running a bunch and i tweaked my my leg uh and i kind of learned i think like me running all the time uh it wasn't the best for jujitsu no you need some strength training yeah so now now it's a good balance but um what do you do for strength training it's tricky i i used to just work out if i if i was here i'd find someone i'd work out with them or have have friends i'd work out with or trainers back home but a lot of people see me and they're like bro let's get let's get you jacked well that that's not that's not functional for not functional i need to be fucking fast yes and i need to be um fluid and right yeah so a lot of people i figured out after years and years and years of of working out with different people what's best for me is is fast twitch and lots of reps uh lots of sprints quick explosive energy i love boxing love jump roping um and then a few days is more like like slow strength training but only followed by like i have to finish with something fast whether it's 10 rounds on the bag or whatever else or i literally i remember there was a tour and i was working out with someone and um we hadn't yet figured it out we work out still together and we do we do something called tempo training so whatever music is on you're doing it to the tempo you're doing it for the length of the song so it's much longer than you would normally do something and it's much quicker than you normally do something but that's how i play the drums and that's gonna that's gonna um help me once i go back to what i do and it's functional for what i do i like that but when i wasn't doing that and i was just throwing around heavy weights and i was putting on muscle i was i got behind a kit and i remember i hadn't really tested it out and it was the worst feeling in the world i was so tight i was so slow i didn't look like this but i felt like this you know it was terrible i was like oh my gosh this isn't me i need to be you know right right like and my goal my only goal is to be able to think something and do it execute uh stamina wise endurance wise and skill wise so i'm always practicing and my stamina is always on point so drumming is like sprinting with your arms yeah i mean you're just like long-term fast running with your arms yeah it's like volume punches like all drummers have a similar build they're all like fiery and strong and have like crazy endurance with their arms like what you could do with your arms is probably bananas i bet you could hit a fucking speed bag all day long i could do battle ropes i love speed bags oh yeah i i have one at the at the gym at my studio yeah and it's all it's all tempo you have to find the rhythm if the rhythm's not right you can't keep the bag going you know um battle ropes you know yeah for 30 40 minutes okay without stopping that's insane you yeah just i mean that's like the perfect thing for drumming i would imagine it's such a similar motion yeah you know but it's so different than like the average person that wants to work out like i don't get to do that you know even though it's cool or you look cool you put on certain amount of muscle whatever i it's just i can't do it well it could get in your way for sure i mean i think a a drummer wants to be built like a welterweight boxer you know you you want to be like lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance and if you just get an intelligent trainer they understand what you're trying to achieve they could achieve both goals like you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured in jiu-jitsu if you want to do jiu-jitsu but not overwhelm you with mass yeah you know yeah figure it out like there's yeah there's definitely certain exercises i could do once i start training jiu-jitsu again to make sure my legs are cool a lot of like really elite jiu-jitsu guys are not bulky at all there's a very very high level especially because there's weight classes and you know what's really important is technique you know it's tricky is the hands too like not not crushing my hand and making sure i'm always like gripping properly and not leaving my fingers out or oh yeah this episode is sponsored by better help you've probably heard about better help before but maybe you haven't heard from those who have actually used better help that feedback can tell you everything you need to know go to betterhelp.com slash reviews and check out the feedback from hundreds of people saying how much they love this service it's easy to see why to get started all you have to do is answer a few questions you'll get matched up with a therapist based on your needs and if it's not the right fit you can switch therapists at any time see the reviews see what stands out and see if better help is right for you visit betterhelp.com slash j-r-e that's better h-e-l-p.com slash j-r-e if you break a finger that's fucked yeah no he's always so good about that it's like well you just have if you're rolling and stuff you just have to make sure you're not rolling with anybody that's spastic anybody that's just like that doesn't have controlled energy you know yeah that's the great thing about rolling with black belts like if i'm rolling with a black belt it's very controlled like we both know what we're doing so everyone's like moving at a very controlled pace you very rarely get injured when you get injured is when you're rolling with like some young blue belt who's on steroids he's fucking jacked out of his mind he's trying to choke you out and he's just amped yeah i want to choke out travis park exactly dude i've been that i was at a ufc gym uh i forget where i was i was somewhere on tour and he's like okay let's spar a little bit we're just kickboxing boxing and he does a spinning back fist oh and i'm like oh my gosh like i have a show in 45 minutes man like chill you know um he can't be getting concussed 45 minutes before but i do i do love it very hard to control too yeah once you start that rotation and that spin and that arm going around i was i was almost done so yeah my son was there he's like oh i was like yeah it probably wasn't that wasn't good but yeah but training is yeah it's it's so awesome um it's great for getting rid of aggression too like yeah cleans your mind up it makes you relaxed for sure and it humbles you i think oh yeah i feel like everyone should train or at least do it at some point of their life because it humbles you and yeah i feel like there'll be a lot less like hotheads or testosterone out there you know what i mean 100 jujitsu people are some of the most laid-back and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet yeah totally that most of them are like very easy going really kind and very relaxed and i feel like it's something you can do even as you age oh 100 yeah as long as you're training with good smart people yeah you know that's the thing you got to pick your training partners wisely because that's what gets you injured is spastics people that freak out and you know i used to be a spastic i get it you know when i was young when i was first starting out i was very aggressive and trying to just just force everything you do everything fast and then but then one day you'll train with something like john jock and john jock just he never explodes he he's never out of balance he's never out of position everything's just smooth and effortless and he's talking to you like while he's rolling joe hogan look out for your arm joe hogan he's like he's he's having fun good yeah and it's that's it's an art it really is especially when it's done well like the way john jock can do it it's like it is an art it's beautiful to watch you watch someone with a beautiful guard pass and then nail a triangle and it's like oh my god it's beautiful yeah and i think i'd done it in the past and it was it was a it was a lot of fun and it was almost like chess up here but i didn't feel like it was a much of a workout whereas with him it's like two hours he's making it like a show there's no there's no stopping for long periods of time and we're just dripping sweat and i weigh a buck 50 and he's whatever 200 you know yeah and he's just yeah it's it is a workout and it's just challenging and you're engaged the whole time and yeah it just feels good and you when And if you watch fights, you really appreciate what's going on because you've tried to do that and you know. Because a lot of people get very delusional when they watch fights. They get pissed when they go to the ground. I'll get in there, I'll fucking, I'll fuck these guys up. Most men have a very delusional understanding or belief in their ability to fight. So doing it gives you like, oh, this is fucking really hard. And then you watch people at an elite level. You watch Chugashan O'Malley or someone like that and you're like, oh. Fuck, that's hard to do what he just did. That's crazy. It gives you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort and the amount of discipline and intensity that this guy's put in over years and years and years to achieve this level where you're watching something spectacular in front of 15,000 people and millions of people on television. Dude, I couldn't imagine. Yeah, I was with Dom one time and me and Dom Cruz, he was just like, try to sleep me. And I'm like, okay. And you know how fast he is. You know how like. I'm like, I swing and he's over here. It was like, oh, it was so humiliating. And then he just was just grappling me and not letting me move. And he's like, don't ever when you're in a fight be like, do something, do something. This is what it feels like, you know. He was just keeping me there. And I'm like, oh, I have much more respect for just, yeah, when someone's even just holding someone against the fence, that feels awful, you know. Enjoy. It drains you. It drained me, yeah. And then to start a fresh round where I'm trying to sleep him was, it was impossible to begin with, but it was even more impossible, you know. His footwork is ridiculous. Dude, so good. It's ridiculous. And he really invented a lot of his footwork. Like his footwork is very, Dominic Cruz, when he was the champion, when he was a bantamweight champion, had some of the most elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before. It was so unique and so different. And you couldn't get anybody to emulate it in training. Because Dom's system, he pretty much developed on his own. And there's a lot of videos of him training it, a lot of videos of him moving. And it's so unusual that you see guys in front of him and they're just mesmerized. Because it's step, step here, step, step there, pop, step, step here, kick, step, step here, elbow. And you're like, fuck, where is he? Yeah. You know, and that was such a smart, because he's such an intelligent guy, which is why he's such a great, like, MMA analyst. Yeah, he's so good. So smart. And he just really figured out, like, okay, I don't have the most power. I'm not the strongest guy. I'm not the biggest guy. What can I have? What can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody? Well, I can be, like, the most elusive, the most slick-moving guy that's ever existed. And I feel like a lot of people in his division adopted it from him. Oh, for sure. Like, figured it out, you know? Well, they had to adapt. Yeah. You know, when that guy's, you know, dominating people, and you can't do anything about it. I mean, he humiliated a lot of people. Yeah. Like, he was in front of them, and they developed this style that was fine if someone's standing right in front of you and engaging with you. Like, right in front of you and there to be hit and taking a shot and then giving one back. Don was doing none of that. He was like, whoop, here, I'm over here, boop. He was, like, you know, very much like Lomachenko did in boxing. Yeah. Just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before. And really kind of, again, developed it on his own. If you look at, like, the camp that he came out of, in San Diego, there wasn't other guys doing it like that. It was really just him. Yeah. Very, very unique guy. But I love that there's styles that sort of rise, that exist, that someone just sort of creates. They just realize, like, what do I have physically as my tools, and how can I implement these tools in a way that's different than anything that these guys have seen before? Yeah, because there was nothing like him. No. There was nothing. But then you see guys that came up after him, guys like T.J. Dillashaw, who was also awesome with footwork. And, you know, a lot of his footwork, guarantee, was inspired by watching Dominic. And a lot of these other guys that are these Corey Sanhagen guys that are constantly switching stances. Yeah, Corey, same thing. The style developed out of that. Because before Dominic Cruz, there really was no one who had footwork like that, not even close. Mm-mm. And so when you see T.J., you know, like, who, in my opinion, was one of the greatest bantamweights of all time. Like, when he beat Hennon Barau, which was Hennon Barau at the time was thought to be, if not the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, at least number two behind Jose Aldo, and he was undefeated. And T.J. just styled on him. I mean, it was, and he went out there like he was sparring. It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title. He went out there, like, super loose and focused and relaxed and just switching stances and cutting angles and hitting them with shots. Yeah. And moving to the left and hitting them with a head kick to the right. Like, fuck. Yeah, he put on a show, that fight. It was crazy. One of the greatest title-winning performances in the history of the sport, for sure. I wish he didn't, you know, struggle with so many injuries. Yeah. And everything, because he was. It's a tragedy. He was phenomenal. It is a tragedy. I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries, like, to the point where I think he's going to have to get artificial shoulders. Damn. Because he had no supraspinatus on both arms. It was just completely ripped off. And he would just, like, strengthen all the other muscles and just deal with it. And then it would just pop out. You know, when he fought Aljamain Sterling, he told the referee in the green room, he said, my shoulder's going to pop out, but it's okay. I'll put it back. Let me keep fighting. Imagine that. You're going to fight Aljamain Sterling for the world title. Who's a beast and one of the best grapplers ever. And you're thinking, I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight. Because it just doesn't stay. Yeah. It's just this loose fucking thing that just pops out all the time. And he's trying to fight. And just all will and discipline and intensity. Wait, that was Dom's shoulder, too, right? Towards the end? Dom had a bunch of injuries. I mean, he had the ACLs. Yeah, he had ACLs. The shoulder was the last one. That was the last draw. His last shoulder surgery. Yeah, I mean, look, the human body is not designed to be punched and kicked and to be grappled and strangled. And twisted and armbarred. It's like, at a certain point in time, it just gives out. Yeah. That's just how it is. Yep. And it sucks because, you know, some of these guys have so much more to give in their mind. And their body just fails them after a certain point in time. And you see that with some of these older guys. It's like they've just had a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery and this and that. And then they're a shadow of themselves inside the octagon. Yeah. Sometimes it's sad to watch, you know. But I also understand. Like, the feeling of that's all you know and you just want to keep fighting. Well, it's also they have this insane belief in themselves. And they always think that. It's what got them there also. You know? That's how they became a champion in the first place. Like, people telling you, you'll never play the drums. You're never going to run. You're never going to. And you're like, I'll show you. And that's how they all are. They're all like, I'll show. And they're like, it's over. You've got to hang it up. It's over. Your time is gone. Like, no, no, no. I've got one more in me. Yeah. I've got three or four more fights in me. I'm going to fight. Until I'm 41 or whatever it is. That would be so hard. I think of Dustin. And I think of, like, even his fight against Islam. And his fight against, what's the French fighter? Benoit Saint-Denis. Yeah. Yeah. Dog, I couldn't tell myself I need to hang up the gloves if I fought like that in those fights. He's a fucking beast. Yeah, he's a beast. Like, Dustin, to me, isn't, he doesn't look like he's at the end of his career. He's still very. He's still very competitive. And I think that was the best fight against Islam in anyone's fight, you know? It was a very good fight. That was such a great fight. I mean, Dustin's an elite fighter. So I could see being Dustin and struggling with, like, this is hard for me to stop fighting because you're that fucking good, you know? Well, with Dustin, the physical issues aren't even really, like, joints and neck. It's his head. He's had too many brain injuries. And that's, he's got some sort of a separation between the two. There's halves of his brain. There's, like, some issue with the center of his brain. I don't know. I didn't even know about that. Yeah, he's talked about it pretty openly. But, I mean, you know, he had that incident where he got drunk and got crazy. But that's, a lot of that is CTE. I guarantee. And, you know, he's doing a lot of things to try to mitigate that. And he's seeking help and really, there are some ways that you can recover, at least in some way, and improve on what you're doing. But I think for him, it's best to not be fighting anymore. You know, it's just at a certain point in time, you're only going to accumulate more damage. And then whatever you're dealing with now is just going to get worse. And then maybe you can't recover from it. True. And, you know, he's got a family. And he's in this situation where it's like, I want to be there for my family. I don't want to be this guy that's, like, completely compromised when I'm 50, 60 years old and where I can't walk anymore and someone's got to take me around. Hold my hand. Yeah. Because there are guys like that, you know, especially, like, older boxers. You run into some old boxers, and it's, like, it's really sad, man. Yeah. You know, you see guys like Tommy Hearns talking. It was, like, not much older than me. And you see him talking and moving around. You're like, fuck. Like, he paid a price. Yeah. These guys pay a price. It's a rough way to make a living. Yeah. The fight game is crazy. It's the craziest. I'm happy. my drums don't hit me back straight up. you know i'm like yeah it's also you can do what you do for a long time i mean you can play drums for a long time when you're fighting your peak is such a small window of life and it's just there's so much that you have to pour into it and then eventually you have to realize that that window's closed and you have to move on even though you're still young and you still have all this life and look at a guy like dustin he looks fucking great you know he looks great he sounds great when you talk to him he seems like he's all there physically he looks like he's never been better but the window's closed you know there's yeah there's these young guys coming up and they don't have the injuries that you have they don't have the problems that you have they don't have the wear and tear and and they're going to get to you before you get to them and maybe they wouldn't have gotten to you five years ago or six years ago or but they can now you It's hard for guys to accept because their entire identity is based on this one thing that's very fleeting so that's that would be the most difficult thing in the world yeah but the glory that they experience is above and beyond anything we're ever going to know i heard someone talking about it um and they they were saying imagine being a cage fighter and it's all you've prepared for for the last 20 years to be locked in a cage in your underwear to scrap with someone and have the most grueling fight camps and then you're just we're just going to take you out of it and you can't do that anymore yeah it's like that's all you've known you know it's it's a they experienced a different life than than us you know their highs are way higher yeah and highest of highs lowest of lows the rest of the life is kind of gray and dull in comparison to the bright lights i mean it's like connor keeps trying to come back it's like all these guys it's like that thing like connor's worth like a half a billion dollars he doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to yeah but he still has this thing inside of him where he wants to reclaim that lost glory whatever the discipline that khabib had where he could just he completely walked out on top right yeah on top that that's beautiful and and if everyone could have the the discipline to do it like that that you know yeah that guy's that's rare that guy's got mount everest discipline it's like a different kind of discipline and he's why he's one of the the greatest yeah one of the greatest of all time and that's why you know what's interesting is he stayed training he's been training ever since he retired and he says he's much better now than when he retired wow could you imagine isn't it crazy he says he watches his old fights and he sees mistakes that he made and how he would do it differently now and how he does things differently in training now and i know guys who train with him and they say he fucking mauls people he's mauling 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corner imagine the inspiration that a young fighter gets having khabib nurmagomedov coach them like you're you're being coached by one of the most ruthless disciplined guy that's ever competed in the sport retired undefeated one of the rare ones and he's your coach and you want to make him happy you want to make him proud yeah having his guidance yeah well he's gonna be in islam's corner this weekend i'm leaving tomorrow i can't wait it's gonna be sick can't wait that's a good fight very very interesting fight because ian machado gary is a very difficult guy to get a hold of very tall and long yeah fast as fuck good striker very smart knows how to win knows how to adapt and change islam striking is fierce too though oh yeah yeah it's a lot better than yeah it used to be and uh at like the same level as all the other guys in the sport which is really crazy because his grappling is above and beyond so it's like you're dealing with a guy who there's no picnic on the feet he'll fuck you up on the feet i mean he knocked out volkanovski with a head kick he's elite on the feet and then when it comes to the ground there's no one like him there's no one like him in the division any division he's he is a crusher and he just crushes people yeah he's nasty i mean think about how good charles olivera is one of the greatest submission artists of all time islam got him down to the ground and just smushed him just crushed him quickly just made him tap quick it was incredible it was going to be more competitive everybody did yeah yeah but you know and he's also a guy that like you cannot train harder than him it's not humanly possible so he goes into every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train harder than him it's impossible for someone to have tougher people in camp than he has i mean those guys out of dagestan are on a completely different level i mean there there is a entire room filled with absolute savages and they're just getting after it every day full discipline no one drinks no one parties no one does everything they pray five times a day they're super religious and they're just driven yeah and you know he comes into that fight with that kind of confidence because of that it's going to be a fun weekend yeah that main event is very tricky because ian can move man he's a really slick guy really tall and he's also very fast and long so he's going to have a significant height and reach advantage he's going to be moving all over the place landing and if islam is not careful in how he engages he could get caught and you can only get caught by a guy like ian a couple of times well if at all you know before you're in trouble so it should be very interesting those are the kind of fights i love that are a puzzle yeah it's like styles make fights with that one that's like a great example like yes and it's also ian has this insane belief that he's special that you know this is his destiny and that you know i mean he's it looks like that at every weigh-in it looks like that at every stare down it looks like that at every press conference like this is his destiny he really believes that which is another huge thing that a fighter has to have like almost a delusional belief in themselves yeah i saw an interview where he was he actually said um he believes in the balance uh with his family with with every part of his life where most fighters will only focus on fighting during the eight to ten weeks they're fighting or they're training and he's like no i actually need everything to be in order to make this one thing go great so i believe in more balance than imbalance i think it interesting depends entirely on the person and also depends entirely on what does your family look like you know what is the relationship between you and your relationship with your wife and your children like is it harmonious and is it do you get love from it and strength and inspiration or is there chaos is there like arguing all the time and bickering and pettiness and bullshit and like the uh mark car fight the movie mark her yeah the smashing machine oh my god when she's fighting when she's squabbing with him right before he goes out to fucking fight i was like ah i was like oh i could feel for him oh dude i've seen that before i've seen that with multiple fighters multiple i know one of them is a fighter and the other one is a guy who during the night before the fight his girlfriend at the time would always start fights with him like huge fights because she didn't like that this one thing fighting was more important to him than her she wanted to be the entire focus of his attention and when there was this thing that was taking away she was a complete narcissist this thing that was taking away from his attention to her she would sabotage it so she would start fights she would storm out of the hotel room slam the door and just be gone shut her phone off and here he is freaking out he's got a fight for the world title in you know whatever 20 hours and he's he's dealing with this nonsense it's the worst i can't imagine well i think that's why some guys they'd rather take that isolated approach they just they would rather just do the spartan thing and just be alone in camp and sleep on a cot and wake up in the morning and run and just live this like very hard six to eight life i feel that part like i can't even even leading up to shows i can't be too comfortable really oh no like i can't get a massage before i go play or be chilling in my hotel room i need to be uncomfortable really yeah why is that i don't know i it's just that's all i've known too you know it's like that i don't know i came up like lugging my own gear around setting up my drums and then waiting for the show to start and i don't i can't just watch a movie before i play or wake up from a nap it's just it's just not in me i'm up jump roping i'm up like watching fights i'm up going for a run practicing learning something new that's the best headspace for me to be in well i would imagine with the difference between drumming and i think any other kind of musical instrument is that it's so physical it's so physical that it's like a workout like you you have to be in shape to drum you have to yeah i can't feel sluggish like i don't know i'm i'm a fucking weirdo though i'm like worried about like what i eat like do i have enough energy have i you know what i mean yeah and just jump roping right before i play dialing it in right and knowing what you need because of the experiences that you've had you've had so many experiences so many performances that you can just dial it in i think that in that way it's very similar to fighting is that every fighter has to have their own approach and ian's approach is to have his family with him all the time and islam is got you have some very different it's like spartan all those guys together you eat and train with the guys just separate yourself from everything yeah it's super personal yeah it's got to be personal because everybody's got a different everyone has a different personality different mindset different different triggers different things that fuck with them different things that calm them down you know yeah also i have all these weird whatever where i'm jump roping running practicing for hours before i go on stage and then there's the times where everything i get thrown a curveball and i get to the venue five minutes before and i can go up and do it like like no problem because i think i've done all this other preparation right it's like i also know it works without it yeah right you're always ready stay ready so you're always ready yes i live by that yeah stay ready so you don't have to get ready yeah that's that's that that's the goal yeah well fighters have that too because the fighters that get like really out of shape in between fights they're the ones that really struggle because like patty yeah you see him blow up like a week later it's like yeah but the same person patty it's a little deceptive really patty gets fat but he doesn't get out of shape patty's got incredible endurance and an insane work ethic but he also really loves to live and live life you know so have a few beers eat some pizza get fat but he still could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody like it's there's no way you're in the kind of shape that that guy's in if you're not training all the time so even when he gets fat it's just eating yeah he's just eating piles of food i'm sure if you if i'm sure when you see him with his big moon face if he got to the gym and worked out you'd be like fuck yeah still a beast yeah it's not like he's gonna be exhausted and lying on his back after one round in the bag like yeah he's it's only fat yeah you know and then he's got the and then there's also this part of the discipline of the weight cut is like this locking in and focusing where you're measuring all your food and like there's there's a certain like shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes from being fat to ripped and he goes from being fat to ripped yeah i mean he does it better than anybody because everyone looks at him like oh that guy's never gonna make weight and then he shows up at the end shredded chiseled yeah i don't think i see anyone with uh as big of a transformation no no his is beyond and people love him for it too that's also part of the craziness of it they celebrate it because it's so silly yeah he's so likable yeah he's he's yeah he's great so fucking skillful too what he did to benoit sandini was nuts that and his gaethje fight was like oh yeah that was one of the best fights i've seen in person it was an awesome fight i've seen in person it was an awesome i was like what the fuck just happened you know well you see what gaethje just did to ilia deporia and now you realize how fucking tough patty is yeah patty's tough he's he's silly and he's playful and he's a lot of fun and everybody loves him and he's all likable and he's dancing around but yeah when it gets down to it that motherfucker is tough as nails yeah scary how how quick that was yeah and gaethje's just fuck thank god for him yeah he's so i i was so i was so happy me too it was incredible and seeing him do that in the white house on the lawn of the white house and win the world title when everybody thought he was like a six to one underdog on some sports books which is nuts i thought that was very disrespectful i loved his interview with you it was crazy yeah and when he was like i couldn't i couldn't let him fucking win just based on what i how bad he was going to disrespect me after he beat me the shit he was going to say on the mic whatever i was like no it wasn't going to happen i love that i love that sometimes you fuck with a guy's head so much that you give him fuel to recover and survive when he might not be able to ordinarily but the thing about gaethje is the he has zero quit in him you can't get him to quit he's never going to quit it's like you could break his body down like max holloway did and knock him unconscious and there's nothing he can do about that you get knocked unconscious you're knocked unconscious it's you it's just physical yeah i've never seen i've never seen gaethje like that you know in the max fight that was no and i love max and i just yeah that was like shocking yeah it was pretty crazy it was pretty crazy it was that was uh and then to have him go from that to become the world champion just a year and a half two years later whatever it was amazing sick story yeah it's a great sport man i mean there's nothing like it in the true intensity and the emotions and the excitement there's nothing like it i think the last time i saw you was at a ufc at the apex i think that's the last time we ran into each other and ganwa and um stipe fought was that what it was wow wasn't that crazy oh being in that small venue when that happened was like small venue no audience there was probably like maybe 50 people in the whole room maybe a hundred in the whole room you could hear a needle drop too when it happened i think that's the first fight i took my wife to and she was like what like yeah yeah oh that was a devastating fight too and there was also you have a heavyweight fight in the small octagon so the apex for people that don't know has an octagon that i think is 30 or 40 percent smaller damn is it that much smaller yeah how much smaller is let's put that into perplexity ask it how much smaller is the perplex octagon versus the regular octagon that they use in arenas and you're trapped in there with francis exactly exactly and also francis looking for revenge yeah because this is stipe beat francis in his first loss okay 30 30 less space that's a lot man 30 is crazy so you can see the images there the when you see the apex next to the the big one the pay-per-view one like that is a lot of space yeah it's a lot of space yeah it's a lot of space yeah it's a lot of space and you're just stuffed in there with a guy who is one of the absolute scariest fucking guys that's ever lived and you can't move you know it's not a lot of movement a lot of people like that because it's kind of you know forces action but i think the space provides more of a canvas you know no pun intended for them to paint their masterpiece you got to be able to have angles to get out and paint their masterpiece you got to be able to have angles to get out and paint their masterpiece when maybe if that object wasn't there you could move to the side move in and counter you know like think like when sugar sean o'malley knocked out al jermaine sterling and al jermaine is pressing forward now if the cage was closer he wouldn't have been able to move back as far like it cuts off a lot of the possibilities yeah that's off a lot of things that was another shocker right oh it was amazing yeah when sean did that at the white house and it was amazing yeah when sean did that at the white house and saluted when he knocked out that guy and it was amazing yeah when sean did that at the white house and saluted when he knocked out that guy and then and the walk-off walk-off and then then and the walk-off walk-off walk-off and then hard so hard and he said he envisioned it hard so hard and he said he envisioned it hard so hard and he said he envisioned it which is even cooler like he saw it in his that that's what he was going to do. Yeah, that was great. He had actually, we were texting back and forth. He's like, I need to knock him out. And I was like, when it happened, I was like, oh, that's just like right off into the sunset, you know? Well, in his position, he really needed something special because Merab versus Piotr Jan wasn't formally announced yet. And it was thought, like, maybe if Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next shot at the title because he has a victor over Piotr Jan. That didn't come to be. So now Piotr Jan and Merab are having a rematch. And after that rematch, if I had to guess, it's most likely going to be Sean fighting for the title again. And he has that win over Peter. So that's exciting, right? But he doesn't have a win over Merab. So if Merab wins the title again, he's going to be like, fuck! Yeah, it's like you said, styles make fights. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't mean that he can't beat Merab. I mean, I think Sean could beat him. He could beat anybody. But it's just he's got to figure out whatever it is that he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle that is that little Georgian-Tasmanian devil that never gets tired. Yeah. He's like the Energizer rabbit, like, just keeps going. Dude, have you ever seen what Merab's face looks like when they did, like, an X-ray of his face, an MRI? No. With his broken nose? No. It might be the most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life. Didn't he say he's not going to get it fixed? He doesn't want to get it fixed. He's not going to get it fixed. Because then he'll have to take a year off of fighting. Not only a year off of fighting, I don't think he can even spar for a long time. So he can't. That's what his nose looks like. Whoa. Yo, it looks like, do you know who Pusshead is? No. Okay, Pusshead's the illest artist ever. He did, like, Misfits. He did, like, Metallica stuff. He did these skulls. Tell me that doesn't look like, that looks like Merab's face. Top right, right there. So he's the illest. He did, like, Zorlack skateboarding. He did a bunch of Thrasher stuff. Wow. Yeah. Dude. Exactly. We got to, yeah, Merab's got to do a skull T-shirt or some kind of merch with that. Dude, look at, he totally should. That should be his, like, logo. Look at that nose, man. Look at the break of the bone. How hard it's turned towards his right eye. I mean, it's really insane. I mean, he must not have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose. Yeah. His cardio must be all mouth breathing, which is even more. It's more insane when you think about how much endurance that guy has. Yeah. Look at his nose. I mean, it's crazy. The twist in that thing is fucking insane. I mean, it's like it covers part of his vision. Yeah. I feel like he's, what, he's been out, what, six, seven months now? It's been a while. Yeah. It's been a while since he fought again. I mean, but it was because he lost the title to Piotr, and now they're going to have a rematch. And what, he had defended the belt three times in that year, right? Mm-hmm. That's a lot. I think it was three times. Yeah. Well, it was definitely a strength of schedule was tough because, you know, you're going through these camps, you have these brutal weight cuts. It's like your body gets worn out. Yeah. But then there's also Piotr Jan, who had fought Murat before and lost to him and realized what was necessary to beat the guy and fought a perfect fight. Yeah, that performance was amazing. Jan is a fucking assassin too, man. He's a scary guy. He's a ruthless, mean. He's a mean, technical, vicious guy. And now he already knows that he can beat Murat, so it's going to be interesting to see, like, who makes the adjustments in the rematch. When is that happening? Is that scheduled, the Murat fight? I think it is. I don't know when it is, but I'm 90% sure that they've scheduled that fight. That might be Salt Lake City. Is that the Salt Lake City fight? I don't know. But it's a good fight. It's exciting. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great time for the sport. I mean, the sport is on fire right now. Technically, it says TBD. TBD. But it is announced? No, I mean, no. The Salt Lake City has a TBD for that. Oh. But if you look up Murat versus Piotr Jan too, does it say where it's happening? Usually it says his next fight on the thing I'm looking at, and it doesn't have anything popping up. I'm pretty sure they've announced that that's happening. LA card, it looks crazy. You going? Yeah, I think so. That should be fun. Yeah. Are you touring right now at all? What's going on? No, I'm just in the studio this year. Oh, okay. Just finished writing and producing a few albums, and then was finishing this doc. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Identity theft costs more than you think. That's why LifeLock is backed by the million dollar protection package, which covers up to $3 million for the most comprehensive plan. So if your money. 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Oh, my bad. No worries. That's it. Yeah, so the rematch between Joshua Vann and Pantoja. Dude, I can't wait to see what happens. Yeah, man, that Pantoja arm break was such a bummer. Yeah. To have him fall back like that. Yeah, Moikano versus Brian Ortega. Yeah, it should be fun. Gable Stevenson, it's again. Cheeto. Yeah. Against Charles Jourdain. L.A. crowds are always fun, too, because UFC doesn't get to L.A. very often. It's always pretty hyped up. Yeah, I'm excited when it comes to L.A. I love Vegas, but something about L.A., you know? You still like living there? Los Angeles? Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I mean. Do you feel any different? Do you feel any difference over the last five years, six years since the pandemic? Yeah. I mean, for me, my goal is to not drive past DeSoto. That's the goal. That's like my living is wake up with my wife and my kids, go to the studio, come back. Well, I actually, I just bought a garage where I keep all my cars. So some days I'll leave my house. It's a three-mile run. I'll run. I'll run to my garage, pick up one of my old school cars, drive to the studio, then drive back home. That's the perfect day. Oh, that's nice. I don't drive past DeSoto. That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. If you could do that and avoid the real chaos that's the center of the hive of L.A. Yeah. Once in a while, I'll get out if it's like, you know, someone's a show or something that, you know, me and the wife want to do or me and the kids. But other than that, studio. Home, studio, home, train. Smart. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely a better life. Yeah. I have friends that live in the heart of it. Like in West Hollywood. I'm like, what is it like? They're like, it's not the same. Yeah. It's not the same. It's just. Yeah. I couldn't do it. The days I'm in the city, I have a bunch of stuff I'll hit, you know, like I'll go to crossroads, I'll go do whatever, but it's rare. Yeah. I can only imagine. Yeah. Did you ever think about getting out? I don't know if I could do it yet. I think like for what I do, you know, besides like playing in Blink or touring when I'm home, I'll get a call and they'll say, Hey, can we come by the studio? I want to make this with you. I want you to play drums on this. I'll see Game walking in my neighborhood, Trav, I need you on this record. Blah, blah, blah. I just, there's so much that happens right there for me. I think there'll come a time where I don't need to be there, but right now I feel like like I'm in demand and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff and I'm recording a bunch of stuff. So it makes sense for me. Do you ever have some thought about like living in the country and retiring somewhere and just like laying back? Yeah, we we were on tour and there was a huge storm in Nashville area. So we were in Franklin for a few days, Franklin, Tennessee, and we immediately started looking at houses like we got to go here. But we kind of do that everywhere we go. You know, we you know, you travel, you go on vacation, you're like, we want to live here. We want to get a spot here. But I do I do love Southern California. We have a spot up north, like in Santa Barbara. I love Santa Barbara as well. I love the desert. Santa Barbara is awesome. I feel like moving around in Southern California keeps things fresh, like going to the desert for a week or a few days, going to Santa Barbara. And then during the week, stay in the Calabasas or. Like Los Angeles and, you know, working out of there. The Montecito area is insane. Yeah, Montecito is so gorgeous. And I also feel like the desert like Coachella out there is you feel like you're in a different world. You feel much further away from L.A. and all the chaos than you are. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, how many people have gone out to the desert just to try to find themselves? Yeah, true. That's it's a very unique environment out there. Yeah, just a weird that they decided to put. Music. Festivals out there. I know it's wild. You know, one of my best friends, I when I when I left home at a at around like 16, 17, my dad had given me a couple options to, he said, join the military like me, start paying rent or take off. So I took off, right, was a trash man in Laguna Beach for a while. Then I moved to Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Fold. He had this this promoting company called 98 Posse, and he would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore. Shows anything. And he ended up starting Coachella and just been he was obsessed, like what we talked about earlier. He was one of those people that were obsessed and and I watched him build this amazing festival. And yeah, he's just pretty, pretty awesome. But the city of Coachella is it's crickets the all the rest of the year. There's nothing it gets so hot. It's 115. Most businesses closed down halfway through. The day they're open for the morning. And then when Coachella happens, the city thrives and it's just, you know, chaos. Are they happy with that? That seems like there's probably a lot of conflicted people. I I don't know. I don't own a business out there, but I bet for everyone that's struggling when it's 115, 120 and no one's coming out of the house. Right. I feel like they're almost like Coachella saves them, like the festival saves everybody. Oh, definitely. Just the volume of people in the town, the volume of people that comes through, I think saves all the businesses for sure. If you have a business when we're out there and it's not like the season or whatever they call it and it's considered too hot, most businesses are open from 9:00 to 1:00 p.m. That drive out to the desert, though, is like better make sure your air conditioning works and no old school cars. Don't be taking none of your old school cars on that trip. Well, don't the only thing I've driven from L.A. to. La Quinta out there is I've you ever heard of Velocity? Yeah. I got a K5 from them. Oh, nice. You could drive that out there. But Tom Segura has one of those. Yeah, they're sick. Yeah, he got one of their their Blazers. They make such a great K5. Yeah, he loves his. Yeah, they think I've seen this. Yeah, it's all black. Oh, it's brown. It's brown. I'm colorblind. Are you really fucking severely colorblind? Well, I have to ask my two and a half year old son what color. Things are sometimes so bad. It is like I'll be like, what? What color is your favorite? And then he'll tell me what colors. There's Tom's. Does that look black to you? Kind of. Yeah. That really looks black to me. Yeah, well, that's pretty dark. That's in the shadows. That's like I have all I have an all black one. What a sick looking truck. So a lot of people build these K5s and they do rest of mods, but they they're either overbuilt and they don't drive great or it's like a it's it's over it's either overbuilt or it doesn't run great or they do too much. Like this isn't overdone. They make the perfect rest. It's reliable. Yeah, it's reliable. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's mine. Oh, nice. Oh, you got a very old school look and I love it. Yeah, I wanted it to look almost like bone stock. It does. I have a couple of K5s, but this is the Velocity one. I have a I have an OG orange one with plaid interior that's 72 that still has the the old school engine and everything. Oh, really? And it just stays in Palm Springs. And that's where we drive that one. Does it have the old school brakes too? No. Yeah. Fuck that. That's it right there. But see how it looks like it shouldn't leave Palm Springs. It's you know, my wife drives it a lot. That's cool. Yeah. K5s are dope. I have a 72 Bronco from Icon. Sick. Icon was great. Yeah. They made a Blazer. Yeah, they did. I almost bought it. It was so good. And he's so cool. John. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like he he kind of set it all off. Jonathan Ward. Oh, that's the one. OK, so I built I built that with Delmo and a couple of people around L.A. I just took it from shop to shop. This was my version of a Velocity. Dude, that thing's sick. It didn't drive as good as a Velocity restoration. Well, it's also you're so lifted. Yeah. Like the handling on the thing must be rough. Like going around corners and shit. It was really cool. I was really proud of it. It's beautiful. Thank you. That's very cool looking. There's something about that iconic design. There's something with the way those things look like that. God, it looks awesome. I just remember as a kid seeing topless Chevy trucks like I was like, what? This is it doesn't get any better than this. Yeah, it is. There's a weird thing about old school cars. They just they spark something in you. Yeah, they're they're more excited. Like, I like new cars. I love new cars. They're cool, but they don't have the same feeling. There's something about those old schools that's just like, it's mechanical, like you're connected to it, you know? Yeah, I mean, I'm a sucker for old Chevys and Cadillacs. And I have a bunch that's like. How many cars you have now? I think I have 12. I have a lot of old school Impalas. I love old school Impalas. Really? Like 65s? I have a 59. Oh, whoa. Real old school. Yeah, I have a 62 wagon Impala. 63 convertible Impala. 60 Cadillac, GNX. Bro, 60 Cadillacs are wild looking. Oh, it's it's so. Do you have a picture of that thing? I think it might it might be on the interweb somewhere. 1960 Cadillacs were crazy. Oh, that's my old that's my old 1960 Caddy. I used to have that one. Look at that thing. That is wild. Good luck parking that anywhere. Nothing feels like that when you drive those cars. Oh, I'd imagine it's a boat that feels like you're in the middle of the Queen Mary. Yeah. Look how that was my 53. That's yours in the far right. These are all my my my cars in my collection from at some point in my life. Yeah. So you're an old soul, dude. I am. There must be. There's something about you that connects with these things. Yeah. Old cars move. I don't know. I like the smell of them. I like everything. They're just hard to maintain. Yeah, really good mechanic mechanic. It's hard. You know, it kind of feels old school that I got recently that. But that's new is the Chevy Fox truck. What is that? Things a fucking beast. See if you could pull it up. It's the Fox, the Fox Chevy Silverado. Is this a new car that's come out recently? It's Chevy's answer to the Raptor or the the TRX. That's mine right there. So it's usually they usually have orange accents, but I did all mine matte black. Oh, so it's just I think it has six or seven hundred horsepower. It has like Baja suspension. You could drive it anywhere. So it's just like a Raptor. Yeah. Why do I not know about this? That's crazy. The Fox factory Silverado. That's my that's my daily Fox shocks. Yeah, it is. So Fox shocks did a collaboration with them. Yeah, the guts like you could literally jump this truck wherever the fuck you want. You know, so that's your daily driver. Yeah, yeah. I have a Raptor. I love the Raptors, too. I have a Hennessey Raptor R. Oh, those are hard. It's fun. That's a beautiful truck. Yeah, yeah, there's there's something about those kind of trucks, too. That's exciting. Thousand horsepower trucks are ridiculous. It's like, how do they look at that thing flying in the air? That's so crazy. Do you ever take it on the dunes? I haven't yet. When they when I bought it, they came out to they came out to the desert and brought a couple and we just whipped them around the desert and we're supposed to plan a day where we go out and jump and do everything. And they're like, we'll even let you use one of your our trucks so we don't fuck up yours. I was like, Oh, that's nice. Appreciate that. Yeah, because it is all carbon fiber fenders. It's pretty cool. Yeah. So they stretched it out and widened the wheelbase and everything. Yeah. And you can't even buy them in the States like you have to. I mean, in California, you have to. I had to ship it from Vegas because of all of the extras. because it's supercharged. - So California won't let you buy it? I had to go through this process of pretending I bought it somewhere else. That's so sad. What a goofy fucking state. But I'm super happy with it. We are doing another studio. We're going to do a studio at the Circuit of the Americas racetrack. Like this? Uh-huh. Cool. Yeah, exactly. At that place. That racetrack. Sick. Which is in Austin. So what we're going to do is have it set up where you're going to be able to go around the track. We'll do some laps and then pull in and then have a podcast. Cool. I love that. Which will be great because I feel like for your mind, your mind will be so jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on a racetrack that you'll come in and you'll be like, ah! Oh, ready to go for sure. It'll be really fun. Because I bet some people rile themselves up to come up in here and get really nervous or like, I don't know. Yeah, some people do. It's crazy. Well, you've done it a bunch. You and I have talked and hung out before, so it's easy. Yeah. For some people, it's like doing anything that's got a lot of views gets them weirded out. It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. I think you were honestly one of like the first podcasts I did, besides like Rich Roll back in the day. How's Rich doing? He's great. Is he okay? He had some health issues, right? I think he just had like a back surgery or something. But he's so cool. He reached out. I mean, he just reached out a couple days ago saying, I love your doc and I'd really love to talk to you. Yeah. I'd love to talk to you again. So I'll definitely visit him. But when I started my running journey, he had reached out and was like, anything you need? Oh, that's cool. Yeah. He's a super nice guy. He's always been so cool. Yeah. Very, very nice guy. But yeah, I'd read something about him having back problems. And I always get sad when I hear about people that have back problems and I hear they had surgery. It was a week ago. Oh, he looks fucking great. Looks like he's healthy. Yeah. He just looks fucking shredded. I feel like if you're running all the time or training all the time, you're bound to have some type of injury. The back thing scares me, though, when people get surgery, because there's a lot of options other than surgery that are probably going to be better for most people. Yeah. Depending upon the situation, of course. I broke my back in four places in my accident. Oh, Jesus. And I didn't know about it because I was laid out in a burn center for six months and I never got any surgeries. Like, my doctor exactly said what you just said. He's like, you healed perfect. Like, it's me doing surgery. I can't guarantee you'd be okay. You need a better place than you are now. Yeah. I have friends that have had back surgery and they have gotten better because of the back surgery, but I also have a lot of friends that got back surgery and they never were the same again. And they had to get another back surgery, then another one, and they have nerve damage, then their arms go numb, and then they have atrophy in their limbs. Surgery is sketch. Well, it can be, but there's other ways around it when it comes to, like, disc issues. And this is one of the things that I try to highlight. There's PRP, there's a place in LA and Santa Monica called Life Cycle. Is that it? But they do something called Regenequine. And Regenequine is a type of, I've gone to them a bunch of times. How can I not remember the name of it? Isn't it Life Cycle? Life Cycle Santa Monica? What's that? Lifespan. Lifespan. Sorry. Lifespan Santa Monica. Lifespan Medicine. Phenomenal place. Shout out to Moshe, my friend there. But they do PRP, but it's a different kind of PRP. It's called Regenequine. And what they do is they take your blood, they pull it out of your body, they spin it in a centrifuge and do some sort of process to it, and then they re-inject it into you the next day, into the discs. And it's an insanely potent anti-inflammatory agent. And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs, where I had bulging discs in my neck to the point where I was like, oh, I'm going to die. And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs to the point where I was getting numbness in my fingers. Yeah, all from jujitsu. Damn. And it was really getting me to the point where I was like, I don't think I can train anymore. Like, every time I train, I'm in agony. Like, it keeps getting worse. And I would go to a chiropractor, and he was full of shit, and they weren't helping me at all. And then this Regenequine thing, and like within a week, I started feeling better. Two weeks later, no more numbness, no more tingling in my fingers. And then within a couple of months after that, I was fully healed. I got another MRI. My disc had completely gone back in place. Wow, that's game-changing. Yeah, because it was pulling, it was pushing out and pressing against the nerve, and it was causing pain, like nerve pain in my elbow, and in my, it was the ulnar nerve, same nerve that you were talking about. It's scary, right, when you start getting like tingly feelings in your fingers, and you can't feel them? Yeah. It was also one of these things where I was like, okay, I think I might be done with jujitsu. Like, this is a real problem. But I got back into it because of this. So Regenequine. I'm like, I need to fix that. And then I've also had stem cells now. Like stem cells can, especially if you go to a place that really is on top of everything, and that they're using state-of-the-art stem cell technology, like there's a lot of places that you have to go out of the country, like CPI down in Mexico. So I was going to ask you, is there places in the States now? Ways to Well. Ways to Well, right here in Austin, is the best place I've ever been to. I haven't been to the places overseas, but I've had phenomenal results with Ways to Well. I've brought a bunch of people in that have had phenomenal. We just brought Jon Jones in recently. He's got hip problems. His hip feels much better, he said. We brought a bunch of MMA fighters in. Aljamain Sterling, who was just here a couple of days ago, he was there at Ways to Well on Monday. And so Ways to Well, as like my friend Brigham, who runs it, it's literally like state-of-the-art. Whatever the fucking science is at the moment, he's on top of it. They've got hyperbaric chambers. They've got red light therapy. They've got everything. Wow. They've got every single method of treating injuries and recovery. They're always on top of everything. They have a full gym down there. It's really sick. It's an awesome place. But for you, either when you're out here, if you ever want to get treated, if there's something wrong, if you have an injury, you could definitely go to here to Ways to Well. You could also go to Tijuana, like Tijuana, where the CPI is. That's the place that has the. They have a partnership with the UFC, the Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana. Amazing place. I know the guys who run it, and that's another very similar state-of-the-art place. But they aren't restricted with the type of. There's different restrictions in America in terms of what you can and can't do. Down there, it's the wild west. You can kind of do anything. I know a lot of people that have had pretty phenomenal results going there. Yeah. I'm wondering. I have this gene, Factor V, where I clot really easy. So I wonder if I could do it. Let's find out. Why would that be an issue? For example, I can't do IVs. Really? Mm-mm. How come? Because I have really thick blood. I have a blood disorder. Wow. Wow. I clot really easy. And that's a genetic variant? Yeah. Well, I didn't really know about it. When my accident happened, I had a bunch of clots, and just so they put a filter that lives in my body forever, it's like a permanent filter that kind of funnels the blood so it doesn't get stuck. Wow. Where's the filter? It's between my back and my stomach. Wow. Yeah. To stop anything coming up, like big clots from my leg. Holy shit. From my heart or my head. So. A filter? Mm-hmm. What's it made out of? It's plastic, unfortunately, because I've read a bunch about them. I went on this whole journey, because when I found out about it. And they said, "We had to put this in you, or you could have died, because you had huge clots, but you can't remove it." And they have a life expectancy of about 20 years, and then sometimes the filter breaks inside of you or. Oh. It could cause whatever, but yeah, just have PMA, positive mental attitude, it's not going to happen. How long ago did you get it put in? It was like my accident, whatever year that was, 2008? So it was almost 20 years ago, so you might have to get it taken out and get a new one? You can't take it out. Oh! It's cemented to the wall. Oh! Yeah, so you can't do anything with it. Now, about 10 years later, they started making ones that are removable. Is that it? Yeah. Mine's not removable. IBC filter. Yeah, that's exactly it. They can't take it out and put a new one in that's removable? Mm-mm. You sure? Positive. That seems crazy. They say the surgery to take it out. Yeah. The surgery to take it out would be more life-threatening than leaving it in. Wow. Yeah. And so, what happens if this thing breaks and fails? So ironically, it could do the same thing a clock would do. It would go up to your heart or your head, kill you. Oh, fuck, man. That's it, huh? IVC filter, device to stop blood clots and prevent them from traveling to the heart and lungs. Wow. Do you have to take any kind of medication for this? Just blood thinner when I fly. Only when you fly? Just because I know I clot. Or if I'm on a tour bus for long, long periods of time, I got to take a blood thinner. But then, I don't take them every day because it's also a risk to be on blood thinners and if you get in a car accident or whatever. Oh, yeah. Any kind of cut. Yeah. But honestly, I forget about it. I forget it's even in there. Just. But yeah, just like. But you know how some people will go on. They'll do a marathon and then they'll get an IV, I can't do that, or I just have to really be cautious about getting poked um yeah i had a i had a an incident that happened years ago where someone was just trying to find my vein and she had poked me tons of times this nurse and i had 30 clots just in one of my arms holy fuck dude so yeah i've also learned the the lesson of not being really cautious and what happens you know yeah so i can't believe you still spar when you have that that seems nuts because like you get leg kicked and develop a clot in your legs yeah i could my uh my doctor's pretty cool and he doesn't over worry about too much or anything he said i'd rather you not have a blood thinner in your system if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open or if you're boxing or like sparring um so yeah let me knock on wood so it's called factor five factor five yeah and it's just a rare genetic condition yeah wow well i think a lot of people have it i think there's i don't i don't know how rare it is but um yeah the people do you can have half a gene or a full gene and i have the full one so i'm really prone to clotting where my kids like my one daughter alabama she has half of it so it's not as concerning yeah but she has to be cautious huh whoa yeah and is there anything you can do with the supplements or anything like that that aids that uh like a natural blood thinner is beet beet juice or like beet shots so i pretty much have one every day uh baby aspirin beet juice is supposed to aid also in like oxygen utilization right yeah i mean it it was the role is actually the guy who told me about that it was it was the pre-workout before pre-workouts really yeah yeah people would just slam beet juice or a shot of beet juice i do it every show beet juice beet shoot beet juice like an hour before you go on stage drinking about one cup 250 milliliters of beetroot juice daily can help lower systolic blood pressure the top number by a few points the natural dietary nitrates in beets convert into nitric oxide in your body which relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow oh so it's like nature's viagra yeah it is basically yeah that and ginseng my go-to ginseng i love ginseng ginseng is awesome for energy so good yeah it's kind of amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work and we were all sort of brainwashed when we were younger to think that the only thing that's good for you are drugs for your body and that's what we're doing right now from the pharmaceutical company that if you have anything wrong with you the medicine is all medicine that's petroleum-based pharmaceutical drug medicine and that's what's good for you all that other herbal stuff is all for retards it's all for nonsense and hippies and people that don't read books well because they brainwash us right yeah i don't take any medicine i don't take advil tylenol good for you anything that stuff the the thing about tylenol or advil is that it's not good for you it's not good for you it's not good for you i should say for people that take non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen that stuff is terrible for your gut isn't tylenol super bad for you now well it came out with tylenol um well there was a really sad story that i read uh during the pandemic of this lady who had covid and she was in so much pain that she kept pounding tylenol and she died from liver toxicity because tylenol which has acetaminophen in it kills people every year like how many people i know we've looked this up before but i don't remember the number but it's not a small number of people die from acetaminophen poisoning from things like tylenol every year it's quite a few damn yeah it's like you think oh tylenol is not gonna kill you it's just like a pill and it won't if you just take one or if you take two or whatever you're supposed to take but if you take a lot you're fucked 500 deaths per year largely through overdose related acute liver failure some estimates put it at roughly four what's that five hundred deaths per year five hundred deaths per year what does that mean 458 about 500 reasonably shorthand yeah acetaminophen is fucking poisoning it can get you you know if you take a lot of it and yeah the is i don't think that's the same with ibuprofen i don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen deaths but i do know that my friend cam haynes who runs my i love cam he's you've ever met him yeah yeah we run together oh really yeah no shit he actually did one of my uh you know how i was saying i'm like really into tempo training where you'll do like a vigorous like resistance weights and then you'll sprint you know he came and did one with me and he was like fuck trav he was like that was that was a lot you know um and we went on uh we we we run anytime he's in la i love cam like people get so pissed that we're friends why because they're like how do you like someone that hunts i'm like because that's my guy i love him i don't care if he hunts i don't care who he votes for i don't care what he eats like that's my dog he gave me a bow it was so cool we shot it at my studio um it was so he's so cool and i think likewise probably a bunch of people are like why are you homies with a vegan cam whatever whatever whatever people think you know like we uh i i love cam i think there's way more accepting people on the other side than the vegan side the vegan side is very hardcore those people get very adamant about like not being a vegan and not being a vegan and not being a vegan and not being a vegan and not being around other people that don't share their values or i don't care what anyone does that's good you know i i love everyone the same i don't care what president you vote for i don't care if you're gay straight i don't i don't care about anything you know i just judge people if they're a good person you know i agree um and that's how we all should be but yeah i met i met cam i i showed up to uh i actually showed up to tom and um bert's like 5k it was the first time i ever ran and um i just showed up my my homie toby invited me and i said fuck i'll go run a 5k whatever i've never ran a 5k i always run by myself just because i like running and i show up there and uh right when i get to the starting line cam greets me and i don't know who he is he's like what are you gonna pace today what's your number and i'm like fuck if i know and he's like uh what about you and he gave me some number and he's like what are you gonna do i said i'm gonna try to keep up and i just ran my ass off like i i just like tried to keep up with cam and then uh and then we just stayed friends after that oh that's awesome and i i did pretty pretty good in that 5k i actually um did way better than i thought i would have you know that's awesome that's awesome and then we became friends and he's one of my best friends yeah he's i love him to death such a good guy what i was getting at was that he um was taking ibuprofen he was taking 800 milligrams a day and uh i didn't know he was taking that much and i was talking to him on the phone once and he was telling me yeah i take 800 milligrams a day i was like whoa wait a minute how much i go you do that every day and i go why because i'm in pain i'm in pain all the time and i want to keep running and so then i sent him some information that ronda patrick dr ronda patrick put out about the problem with ibuprofen the problem with taking large doses of it on a regular basis and what's what it does to your gut biome so he stopped taking he said well fuck i don't want to ruin my body let me just stop taking it the pain that he was experiencing went away he stopped taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen a day and he realized that the pain that he was experiencing was accentuated by the fact that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking anti-inflammatories that were destroying his gut biome so he's taking because his gut was messed up exactly so he's taking all this 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day it's torching his gut biome that's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body and he's in pain all the ibuprofen the pain goes away damn not wild yeah but you get brainwashed into thinking i need all these things meanwhile turmeric and curcumin and there's a bunch of different anti-inflammatories that don't cause any sort of gut disturbance and they're much better for you and healthy and you can you know get it from food yeah all the natural stuff and then i feel like contrast therapy is so helpful too you know yep like doing sauna cold plunge sauna cold plunge oh yeah anytime i'm injured that's that's what i go to yeah i hit up cam actually one time and i was like cam i'm uh i just did a half marathon i'm about to do another one what do you suggest he's like trav get yourself an elk i was like i can't remember who you're talking to you know so for you is the vegan thing just all animals it's an animal love thing uh nah it wasn't even it it is it is that like i i am kind of under the the the thought process of if i love one if i have a dog and i love a dog i love i kind of love all animals right like i i love all animals the same i'm not like i'm gonna eat that one i'm gonna shoot that one but i love my dog right it's a little contradicting to me you know but uh but i i didn't even know any of these things at a young age i remember food would be put in front of me and there would be ham whatever and i would just naturally put the hand in my ham in my pocket and eat like the mac and cheese or whatever else the yeah spinach and because my dad had this rule he's like you eat everything you don't get up from the fucking table straight up i don't care if you're there for three hours that that's what it was because your mom spend time making the food you gotta eat the food you don't leave the table so i'd pocket it and then my mom my mom would find it when she'd go wash clothes so it started like that and then next was oh ham is actually this hot dog is actually this hamburger is this and i'm like whoa i just thought hamburger was a hamburger i didn't really know cow meat yeah yeah so i just naturally didn't like i was already like not liking the taste or the texture right so it was like okay whatever and so vegetarian from the time i was a kid all the way up until my accident and then after my accident vegan so it wasn't really about animals it was just at that time it was like i just i wasn't drawn to eat that stuff it's not that's not what i was into what about eggs i loved bean and cheese burritos i grew up on bean and cheese burritos from i love a good bean yeah from where i grew up you know um i love cheese burrito with hot sauce yeah you can't beat it so that's kind of what i was into i grew up on bean and cheese burritos from i love a good bean that's kind of like what i was raised there's cheese and bean and cheese burritos yeah so i wasn't vegan until 20 years ago you know so i would have dairy but do you ever eat eggs never no you know if you have your own chickens it's a pretty karma free food it's like i have chickens i have 19 chickens and they're pets so they wander around the yard have a good time like hey ladies like there's they have no cruelty no one's doing anything bad to them they go in their nest boxes and they lay eggs and then you just gather the eggs the eggs will never be a chicken because they're not fertilized it's just food yeah it's just free food i mean it's not free you pay for chicken food and you take care of them and all that stuff but i mean in terms of like it's karma free yeah no one's getting hurt like literally no one is getting hurt the chickens will lay an egg almost every day yeah and so we have like baskets of eggs in my house we always have eggs i think for whatever for whatever reason now it's like anything and there wait and there's this amazing it's actually i think they they market it as a protein a vegan protein but you make egg whites out of it and it's phenomenal what's it made and it has the same amount of protein as egg whites do does it have the same amino acid profile i think so maybe if it see if it comes up what is it called um i have it in my phone somewhere but i don't have my phone jimmy would probably find it yeah so it's like it's like and it's not just egg or or one of the basic ones it's one that i my daughter had sent me and it's bananas you make uh you make omelets out of it and it's just incredible and you get tons of protein but i think after i after i ate beef jerky in a hospital for six months i was like peace i was like i'm gonna be vegan i'm gonna be vegan watch this um and then i stopped like i stopped kind of having anything that came from animals period just to see what it would be like like i don't have honey uh even eggs yeah no honey um and i just feel fucking good like i have tons of energy i can i have no lack of energy i you know um i feel great i 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what whatever works for you yeah i think everyone's different yeah and that's one of the cool things about having a bunch of different diets out there is a bunch of different options for people to try yeah even within my family like my one daughter is vegetarian my son eats meat my wife eats meat my youngest son has meat sometimes it's like whatever whatever everyone decides is what i'm cool with you know that's awesome and that's just what works for me that's a great attitude but i think you also have it dialed in like you have whatever diet you're on dialed in where you know you're getting the right amount of protein and there's a there's quite a few different plant sources of protein that have um a complete amino acid profile and i think that's one of the cool yeah or the no hemp those perfect aminos that uh gary makes yeah those are a game changer you take five in the morning five at night game changer yeah no that's but it was it was uh i i won't say it's like not hard to dial it in it is difficult to dial in it is you you got to navigate just like anything else right right there's too many people that they go vegan but then they just eat like vegan pizza and they don't you know yeah crossroads your restaurant i still have never been but i know that went says it's fucking phenomenal like even dana who does not like dana white who does not like vegan food he's like dude it's fucking incredible he goes it's incredible yeah i think i think when uh you probably don't know what to expect right when you go to a plant based restaurant right but tall ronan the chef on at from crossroads is just he's incredible and and uh the food it's an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan it's not even on the menu that it's plant-based that's awesome there's a place in the valley that i used to go to all the time god i can't remember the name of it now escaping me was it follow your heart yes i go every day yes that's so good that place is great yeah that's another completely plant-based restaurant we used to go there all the time yeah it's so good in la yeah follow your heart was pretty close yeah they have a they have a little cafe where you can eat in a grocery store supplements and stuff it's cool yeah it's great their nut burger very good yeah it's like really i would crave it yeah that's cool i'm like i i love i love just everyone being open-minded and you know what i mean oh yeah i'll try anything yeah um for me personally what i've tried is i eat more meat than anything i eat mostly meat yeah mostly wild game but i eat a lot of ribeyes and steak and that just makes me feel the best you know i don't love animal cruelty i don't like it i don't think it's good in any way shape or form but i also realize that animals eat animals life eats life yeah this is just and the thing about hunting is i'm in complete contact with where my food's coming from i know the source of it i'm there when the animal dies i i'm there i do it i participate in the whole thing i carry it out of the woods you know i cut it up bring it to a butcher shop and have it you know packaged into steaks i'm thinking of cam right now because when he was in my neighborhood you know we have deer in calabasas he was eyeballing him oh yeah he was eyeballing him i'm like don't even fucking think about it of course he was yeah he was like oh look at that look at that right behind the shoulder i'm looking at him like oh look at the cool family of deer he's like oh shit that's like food you know it's food so funny well especially him but yeah i i totally like i said i get it you know it's cool that you're so open-minded about that that you do and you're not judgmental it's i think that's a great attitude to have that more people should be more open-minded about that and i think that's a great attitude to have that more people should be yeah i hate that like me i won't fuck with you i'd like to hear your opinions on things because i i'd like to know where people where where they form their thoughts from what's your perspective yeah yeah yeah i hate when uh anyone from in either side of things are so aggressive that we're like you just bum everybody out you know they do and i also think that a lot of times it's not coming from a healthy place to begin with i think a lot of people find a healthy place a thing that they can use as an excuse to be an asshole and uh whether that thing is their political beliefs or their religion or whatever their social ideology whatever it is they find a thing that they can call you out because you fuck you you're the fucking reason man you fuck you man and it's just what's really going on is they're just looking for a reason to be an asshole and they're not a balanced person or a happy healthy person it's one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling at you and you're yelling back at them and you're in an argument but if you're starting that initiating that because someone Someone disagrees with you or doesn't see things the way they're doing, first of all, you're a shitty communicator. And two, you're probably a shitty person because that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving. And you're using this point, whatever it is, whether it's being a vegan or being a Republican or being a Democrat or being a Muslim or being a Christian or whatever the fuck it is that you've decided is more important than being civil and kind and courteous. What you really are is just a shitty version of a person. Whether you realize it or not, you probably don't even – probably think you're justified and that's why you're doing it and you probably think I'm doing the right thing. And everyone is like, I love it that you have no chill. He's got no chill. He's a cunt. This guy is a cunt and he's a miserable and sufferable person to be around regardless of what his belief system is versus the other person's belief system. And if he had a perspective that was I don't know why you think the way you think but I think differently, let's have a conversation, you might find common ground. Yeah, totally. You might find common ground. Yeah, totally. You might be able to realize like, oh, you can have friends that don't think the way you think. I have friends that are Muslims. I have friends that are atheists. I have gay friends. I have a ton of friends that are completely different than me and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I love them. It's great. Everyone doesn't have to be you. Everyone doesn't have to be the same as you nor do they have to agree with you. Yeah. But there's too many people that what they're looking for is some reason why they're right and some reason to be an – to be an asshole to other people that don't think the same way they think and they think that they're justified by it. And I think there – it's a real problem. It's also a real problem with social media because those people, their voices get amplified and people pile in, yeah, you go boy or you go girl. I feel like anyone who can like look at – I mean social media, it's corny to begin with, right? But you're going to go on Instagram and then you're going to say something extreme or fucked up to someone. It's like, dude, you're so – you're so lame. Like that you – You actually took the time to think about writing something bad, then wrote it, then pressed send like you're fucked up. Like straight up. Like anyone that's going to say or spew negativity, I'm like – Yep. Yeah, I just – It's just weakness. No place for it. Yeah. It's just weakness. And I guarantee you, you're not doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your life, with whatever you're pursuing. You're not – They're lacking somewhere. Optimized. Yeah. For sure. 100%. That's why they choose the time to just lash out. At people or mischaracterize people or have the least charitable take on people. Yeah. It's usually they're lacking. They're usually at least somewhat mediocre. There's usually some flaw in their game and what they're doing and they're lashing out at other people, which is fine. But it's also like other people can learn from that too. Like, God, that guy seems like a cunt. And then don't be a cunt. You know? Yeah. Realize that and go, oh, okay. Yeah, I kind of see that in myself sometimes. Maybe we should – Maybe a little self-correction. Yeah, you're like, I don't ever want to be like that. Exactly. That's great. Exactly. Or the opposite. When someone's like – has like a really objective, charitable take on someone. Like, hey, man, maybe he thinks this way and maybe the right way to approach it is to approach someone civilly and we can find common ground. Like you read someone saying something like that and you go, oh, I want to be more like that guy. Like that guy – like I like the way that guy thinks. Like that's inspiring to me. Like that's – That to me, like that's probably a cool person to have a conversation with. They're not going to be – they're not going to use it as an excuse to be aggressive, an excuse to be shitty and insulting and mean because you're not changing anybody's opinion when you do that. You're just not. And will you get the peanut gallery to pile in? Great. So you've got team cunt. You've got a little cunt farm behind you and you're all attacking all these other people and you think somehow or another you're justified because there's some other flawed people that agree with you. That you're allowed to be shitty to people because they don't think the way you think or because they only eat plants or because they worship this god or – come on. Yeah. I feel like David Goggins has it figured out how he like – how he just listens to all his haters or whatever and he like runs or exercises. Like that's the shit. Like use it as a tool. Yeah, I think you're better off not even listening to the haters. He's insane. Every time I talk to him, I'm like, you're so insane. Yeah. I mean, like I said, yeah, anyone that's going to say. Anything is so, so lame right off the jump. Yeah. But there's a lot of lame people in this world, unfortunately, because there's a lot of people that don't have a, you know, it's hard to be a person. It's complicated. Yeah. People don't have a guidebook on how to be a person and be happy. And I think you have to – like I'm disciplined. Like sometimes I'll read something and I'll be like, you motherfucker. But I'm like, oh, no, I can't do – I can't do what they do. Right. Right? Exactly. I can't stoop to that level. Well, especially you're Travis Barker. Yeah. You're a famous guy. Like if you do what they do, it's a different thing. Like if you go back at them, that is one of the lamest things. When you see celebrities going at like fans in the comments, like what are you – take your phone away. Take his phone away. Yeah. Who's letting you do that? Like we don't want to see you do that. The people who love your music or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. How many people have like ruined other people's opinions of them because of doing this? Doing something like that? Or going on some lame fucking rant against someone because of the way they voted or the way they view this or the way they – you know, whatever it is. Luckily, like the hate, the hate – like I get the weird – I get the weirdest hate. It's not even really hate, but it's just something like they know they're like throwing darts from across the room at me. It's like, oh, bro, he's like a Kardashian now or he married a Kardashian. I'm like, motherfucker, that's the most punk thing I could do is marry a Kardashian. And just say, fuck you. Right. It's about like the – like that even shows you I clearly don't give a fuck. Like – and my wife isn't like – I can't label her like that. She's my wife. She's my soulmate, right? I love her to death. But to think like – have you seen me change? Well, not at all. Have you seen me like dressed – dog, I dress so different obviously than my wife or her family. Like I continue to be my own person. I look the same. I've wore the same Dickies pants, the same band shoes. I've had the same tattoos that stopped me from getting a real job since I was 16 years old. Fuck you. Straight up, fuck you. And that's why – I mean punk rock is not about music either. It's about like you don't care what anyone thinks, right? As long as you're going through this world you're doing. Yeah. You are who you are and you're not hurting anybody. That's punk rock. I think a lot of people thought it was cool that you guys got together. Like look at this. Two people from Texas. Totally different worlds that love each other. That's cool. Oh, it's the best. It's just only a hater would think that other way though, right? You know? But if you started getting all your tattoos lasered off and you started wearing designer clothes. Yeah, I started dressing like a lame and I started – yeah, of course. Like dude, come for me, you know? Please, please. But yeah, that's like – that's one that's always like funny to me. I'm like – Well, there's a problem with like whenever there's anything that's happening publicly, you're living your life. You're living your life publicly. There's always going to be hate. Oh, yeah. And Wayne said it. Lil Wayne said it a long time ago. I remember he told me. He's like, dog, you haven't made it until you have haters. You know you're successful the minute motherfuckers start hating on you. Have you ever seen Cat Williams' bit on haters? Oh, pull that up. Oh, I bet it's great. He's got a fantastic bit on haters about people complaining about haters. It's the same kind of thing. Have you found it anywhere? It's not labeled that way. You can't say Cat Williams on haters? No, I did, but what I've come – oh, I guess it does say haters. Hold on. Yeah, he's got a whole – I think the bit's titled Haters. Okay, give me some volume. Hey, you got to get your motherfucking hustle. Understand niggas is going to hate you regardless. Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where niggas ain't hating on you. You got to be grateful. You need haters. What the fuck is you complaining about? What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck do you think a hater's job is? To fucking hate. So let them motherfuckers do their goddamn job. Ladies, if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the fuck to get to 16 before the summer get here. What the fuck is you mad about? Amen. If you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers. What is you complaining about? If there's any haters in here right now that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me. Sit back there and say my hair. Your hair ain't luxurious when you know it is, bitch. That's so good. So true. So true. It comes with the territory. Yeah, yeah. This is the job we chose. This is the life we chose. You're going to get haters. Totally. But it's your, you know, it's your obligation to manage the waters. You don't have to dive in and fucking- Never. Swing in their own shit and waddle around with them like pigs. Totally. It's not necessary. But it's a complicated world. Never would I, you know? No. A lot of people do, unfortunately. But it's also, this is a new thing. Like this new thing where people have direct access to everybody like that online. If, you know, people choose to be on social media. Like you have direct access to all kinds of people and they're going to read your comments and people know that. Yeah. If you're a person who reads comments and so they go and attack you and it's a weird world that a lot of famous people are in. don't know how to navigate. and a lot of people they get like severe anxiety because they do read that shit and then they're like hold up their home by themselves staring at their phone you're in a fucking giant mansion living like a baller you got a ferrari meanwhile you're in hell like i said yeah if you're not hurting anybody and it's like you know what i mean like life life's good yeah yeah and also you'll feel better if you're not doing that totally or they say like if you do read it and you find any truth in it like it's your chance to fix it right it's your chance to whatever or or use it as like motivation you know like god does yeah even if the shit they're they're spewing is so false and fairy tale it's like still you know what i mean go go lift or go box or go play drums or go do whatever you do you know use it as energy that always feels good because yeah none of it none of it really like sits with you you know it's not supposed to and i understand you know you're not supposed to you're not supposed to you're not supposed to you know haters too yeah i've always said this that if i was a 15 year old kid and somebody gave me a twitter account i could get a hold of someone like me and talk shit to them i 100 would oh yeah fuck yeah as a kid like i don't even know what it would be like because we didn't have it but i also know like from where uh you know punk rock was has always been very finicky very very sensitive right you know the band gets popular everyone's like i fucking hate them they're on the radio fuck that band's now they can act they can eat they can fucking you know what i mean pay rent fuck them you know it's like that you know skateboarding which i like changed my my life and raised me skateboarding is also they're very strict you know about about who can call themselves a skater or you know there's just all the all these things there's like when when all these things should just be celebrated like skateboarding's fucking cool it's like some of the coolest people in the world and and skateboarding's taught most of the world like how to dress properly and serious like i mean a lot of rappers basically nowadays just dress like skateboarders skateboarders like set it off like they had the best taste from the jump how do you think that happened well how did skateboarders develop such a great sense of style in your opinion i don't i don't know it's just it's just one of those things like even from back in the day like why that particular activity would have like a whole new meaning to it i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't like style associated with it i mean i grew up with like huge pants and like t-shirts and and just vans you know skateboarding and beanies you know that's like i don't know but everything from the time skate videos were released they were secretly maybe they didn't know about it but they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was and at the time music was so categorized like you're either a punk rocker you like country you like rap you like that skate videos were everything the illest best music of every genre so you a bunch of skate kids were growing up listening to operation ivy and loving the far side you know so it was like happily confused they just knew the best of every world it was different you know it's just interesting that a style of clothing is associated with a physical activity well then you had lil wayne who learned how to skateboard halfway through his life and he was like i don't know i don't know i don't know what to do with it he was like i don't know what to do with it he was like i don't know his career and i feel like everyone around him looked to him for also style and started dressing like him oh wow so and some people don't even know i feel like punk rock and skateboarding i mean playboy cardi wears punk rock clothes his whole aesthetic is punk rock you know um where did he get it from got it from punk rock you know like it was born there and uh i hate getting it from punk rock i hate getting it from punk rock i hate getting it from punk rock gatekeepers right i love what he's done with it and i love that all these new groups of kids that love cardi and love kent carson are they're dressing like punkers they might not even know it they just think they're dressing like you know their favorite rapper but it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding wow yeah i can't think of another activity that has a style associated with it like that yeah there really isn't like bmx people you know well they have bmx was really cool i love bmx but yeah and there's nothing like a clothing style that's associated with yeah and skateboarding and punk rock were like this right well it's rebellion right yeah it's being an outcast it's doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people that are like you understand it but it could have been right like skateboarding could have been well couldn't i can't even say this like but like it's a skateboard it could have been athletic it was raw and it was gritty and it was it's also one of the hardest things as far as like the amount of falls and injuries you take you gotta be a tough motherfucker to skateboard yeah a lot of concussions yeah a lot of guys when they're doing tricks fall on their fucking head the board hitting your shins over and over again breaking arms breaking legs it's yeah it's a gnarly sport especially if you're doing it in these urban environments where people are trying to go down railings and yeah street skating it's like you it's just whatever you find while you're skateboarding down the street you know pretty cool it is interesting that it has a style of clothing and dress associated with it yeah yeah and it's that it kind of mirrors like punk rock aesthetics yeah and both the genres are are very protective you know yeah weird it's cool it is cool but maybe it should be protected maybe that's why it's still so cool you know well for them for the people that are protecting it like and it's it means something to them it's probably their haven from the standard society the pressures of fitting in and conforming that they don't want and so like this thing is like a church to them yeah it's like sacrifice it's like religious i mean when i was 13 i felt like an outcast and it was skaters against jocks where i grew up it was like jocks and you played football you were a skateboarder which basically you listen to punk rock music you listen to faction you listen to dri you listen to whatever and we looked really different so we were we were outcasts yeah yeah all right yeah should we wrap this up yeah it was amazing brother always good to see you man so good always good to see you um this documentary when can people watch it it's out on hulu right now right here and we're going to watch it right now we're looking at the crash and when i think about it i have the worst flashbacks i've got two on the ground the last thing my mom said to me just just play drums the drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body a lot of people came just to watch him he just had to had this oh you're gonna get picked up by a band and you will be a star attraction i told him you better get yourself a job boy and he said no dad i'm gonna go play in a punk rock band and i won't have a plan b it's rough mark and tom come up to me and said our drummer just left would you consider playing the show starts in an hour it felt effortless things were just exploding that was quite a wild ride i was touring with blink non-stop i was taking so many pills that i had a security guard whose only job was to watch me sleep and make sure i was breathing it was all a blur and then came the crash just fire and chaos everywhere 65 of my body was burnt 27 surgeries falling from the sky like icarus probably does some to your head i walk in the room and i don't cry ever but we cried bro che and chris were like brothers to me and then am passing away a year later why am i here and everyone else isn't i had to ask myself who i was going to be after this accident i could never truly understand what he went through i had this burning desire to become the greatest person and father i could be he changed for the whole family and i feel like brought us closer together we loved him trying to cook for us going on bike rides one more time knowing how close i got to not being here my appreciation for life is something i can't even explain why every hit is him communicating his story to the world and dude he has got a crazy story one more time wow that looks awesome thank you fuck thanks brother yes thank you thank you thank you bye