#2538 - Joe DeRosa

I went through a whole like a series of different coffee machines that I tried out. I tried out one of them that was like this little thing that's like a tea dipper almost like for an individual cup of coffee. You put the grounds in this little thing. It's a little tiny press. And you boil the water, put it in the coffee cup, and then you sit in there like it's tea and then you press it. Okay. And it makes like a French press. Eh. Yeah. Eh. Yeah. So then I went to an AeroPress. I like that one a lot. What's an AeroPress? I use that every day. So with an AeroPress, I boil the water, grind the beans, and then I pour it into this glass tube. And the glass tube has a filter at the bottom of it, like a mesh, like a steel or an aluminum, some kind of metal mesh. And then that's what it looks like. And so you press down and it makes a cup of coffee real quick. And it's one cup. And so that's what I like. Because I was making coffee, like I was doing French press for a while. I had a coffee machine, but the issue is that you're not supposed to really be drinking out of hot plastic. All that shit's plastic. There's plastic. The water goes into plastic. There's plastic here and plastic there. I'm trying to eliminate as much plastic in my life as possibly, as I possibly can. Well, I'll tell you too, I, a couple times in my adult life, splurged on, you know, some fucking. One of them Italian espresso machines? Yeah, yeah. Did you have one of those? It grinds the beans every time you're going to. Those fucking things go sideways on you in a year, and then you're like, I got to get it fixed. And they're like, yeah, there's a shop. It's 90 minutes north of you. You drive the machine up there. And you're just like, fuck this shit, man. So I went back. I just, I have an espresso, and you put the fucking pot in and whatever. But. There's a company that makes one. I should shout them out. That makes one that's all steel. I think it's called Simply Good Coffee. I follow them on Instagram. I haven't used their machine, but that's all steel. It's an all steel coffee machine. Okay. Which is what you want. But I've got it down to the AeroPress. The AeroPress, to me. Very simple. The minimal amount of, like, parts. It's just a tube. The grinds. The coffee tastes pure. It's simple. I make one cup of coffee a day. Here is what I miss. Because I will drink a lot of coffee if I'm able to. Here's what I miss about, like, a traditional Mr. Coffee pot of coffee. Okay. You set it. It starts doing it in the morning. You wake up. It's already going, you know? Right. I get two cups hot in the morning. I put it in the fridge. And then in the afternoon, when I start feeling sluggish, I got two cold cups. And it's just a nice. So you just want volume. I love volume. Then make a French press. It'll taste better. This right here? But then you got to make it every time. What do you do? You got to do one cup every time. You don't have a job. You lazy motherfucker. You don't even have a job. You literally talk shit for a living. And you're like, oh. Making coffee so hard. Someone had a skin of fucking buffalo just to stay warm in the winter. Yeah. Just to stay alive. They had to shred the skin off of it with a stone knife. And they had to pull it and stretch it and tan it and put animal brains on it to make sure that it softened up and salted down. And guess what? If you would have said to that guy, hey, we got this thing called Mr. Buffalo. It'll just do it real fast. He would have been like, okay. This sucks. Mr. Buffalo. He would be fucking sitting in his teepee going, bro, Mr. Buffalo's the shit. He'd get fat and lazy. Yeah. So true. But yeah, I like to make more than one cup at once. So that thing, that airbrush. Dude, French press is so easy. You talk about making it hard. This right here, this is an all metal French press. No plastic parts at all. It's the fucking easiest thing in the world, dude. So this can make a full pot though? Yes. Oh, okay. Well, then that's. Yeah, look at this. And this is not expensive. It's just a steel French press. This is the best tasting coffee you're ever going to get because it's got all the oils from the beans, man. You get like the real coffee dorks. You know, there's something happens in the filter. So in the filter, yes, you remove the grinds. Yes. But also you remove some of the flavor. Yes. Just a touch. Yeah. It's funny, man. When I, back when I was, when I, when I was still involved with the coffee, I was still with the, with the sandwich shop. One of the things I learned that I never knew, cause you had to take a test to get a food handler's license and all this shit was, um, I didn't know that food started breaking down the moment you cut it. I didn't know that because I was getting into at the time meal prep and shit. Like if I cut, if I cut up, if I chop the tomatoes now, if I chop the carrots now, the cucumbers now, it'll be way easier to just throw a salad together every day. It'll make me eat the, the good thing. Cause I'll be, it'll be fast. And then I learned, no, as soon as you cut it. If you cut something, it starts to break down. Is this just vegetables? I think it's mainly vegetables. I don't think it can, raw meat is fine or whatever, but the vegetables. That makes sense. Cause the inside is exposed to the air. But it's gotta be the same principle with coffee beans. I would think, right? Like once they're ground. That's a good question. Yeah. I think people like to grind them, uh, right before they, I always grind them right before I make the coffee. Um, which is easy. Right. I have a grinder. Yeah. It's a one step, one button. Yes. I press it. It takes, it takes 13 seconds. I count it. It goes, 13 seconds is the exact amount of beans that I want for one strong, I like a strong cup of coffee, one strong cup of coffee with that arrow press thing. But it's the same thing with a French press. You take it, you just get a determined amount and you can dial the knob, the knob on the grinder. It's so easy. Grinders are so simple. So listen, all you do is you take that ground coffee after it comes into the little cup, you pour it into the bottom of the fucking French press, and then you pour the hot water in. Done. Yeah. That's it. And then you wait one minute and then you push this fucking plunger down and you drink the best coffee in the world and it doesn't have any plastic and it doesn't have any bullshit and there's no moving parts. Yes. There's nothing. It's just that thing. And if the grinder breaks, you get another fucking grinder. Okay. And grinders don't break. I've never had a grinder break. But you got to boil the water first, correct? Oh my God. Are you okay? Are you going to be okay? You got to turn the knob on the stove. What the fuck is wrong with this guy? I hit a button on the. This is so ridiculous. on the boiler, on the water boiler that you bought. He's so ridiculous. He's like, whoa, I can't be the water. I got to boil it. Dude, I get out of bed. Get an automatic kettle. You get a kettle. Okay. There's literally. I have one that has a setting that says French press on it. It's a steel kettle. Okay. And it works all electronically, so it's regulated temperature and it beeps when it's done. You press 200 degrees and then I press start and it goes. Okay. And when that happens. I pour the water onto the beans. Well, now we're talking. Now we're talking. An electric kettle. I'm thinking I got to put a fucking pot on the stove. That's even easier, you fucking lazy bitch. It takes too long. Dude, I get out of. You're such a lazy bitch. It's not laziness. You're so lazy. I swear it's not laziness. I wake up with the dread of humanity in my fucking brain. I'm just like, I need a cup of coffee immediately to just start the day and just clear. The head. And the longer that takes, the longer I got to sit in that wake up anxiety. I understand. So, but now we're talking. You know what I'm going to get? I'm going to get a boiling pot that you can set a timer on. Yeah, they're easy. They're electronic kettles. They sell them online. And they have like settings for tea, settings for this, settings for hot cocoa. You know, it's like five or six different settings or something like that, depending on the model. All right. They're fucking so easy, dude. You sold me. My little. Yeah. And it's the best coffee. It tastes. And I don't have to think. I had a whole. One of these really nice machines and it can make an espresso, can make your coffee, can make a latte. It's got a little fucking foam thing that I've never used once. Dude. Never. Never even thought about using it. Never even thought about steaming milk in my fucking house. Never. But I always was thinking, I'm just. It's all plastic. Every time I filled up the water thing, I'm like, this is all plastic. Everything's plastic. Do you know what I saw, though, that made me want to get the thing again with the cream steamer? Because I don't put cream in, so I don't have any use for it. Black coffee. Black coffee, right? Black coffee, always. Fucking man. Always. Yeah, yeah. Me too. Yeah. Tony shits on it. Of course he does. Tony needs a fucking umbrella in his coffee. He needs an umbrella and a pineapple. A cookie with it, yeah. And he holds it with one pinky out when he drinks his coffee. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is presented by the Farmer's Dog, gently cooked fresh dog food that's clinically shown to support healthy aging, just in time for National Dog Day on August 26th. Both of my dogs eat it. They love it. 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about i like the taste of coffee yeah i do i genuine genuinely like black coffee you know what i saw though that made me want to get the the uh foam steamer was not for foam i you know alton brown yeah i love alton brown he did a thing he did a video where he made this thing with eggs and he used the foam steamer to like foam the eggs up and i was like this looks i want to get it just for that just to do the thing with the eggs interesting but then you gotta so you're lazy when it comes to making coffee but you go way out of the way for some foamy eggs i'll cook i'll cook you use the steamer i like to cook i'll cook there it is right here oh wow look at that wow wow he said this is like apparently incredible he it's like two eggs little cheese interesting interesting and so you uh you whisk it up like that and then you add the foam and the foam cooks it is that how he's cooking it with the foam he cooks the eggs with the foam so what is in the foamer is it just hot water yeah that's it yeah okay so this hot water from the steam is cooking his eggs look at the egg cooking look pretty fucking dope look at that he's eating or you just eat eggs what's wrong with you just crack some fucking eggs fry some eggs what's the problem you don't think that looks good it doesn't look as good as sunny side up eggs i was looking at it i was like fuck those foamy eggs oh i want i want a real egg could you imagine dunkin toasting those foamy eggs come on no because i don't need toast come on toast once in a while occasionally yeah you know when i get it with um uh steak tartare i like those little toast points oh yeah you ever get some steak tartare toast points at jay carver you ever go to jay carver you ever go to jay carver oh yeah of course yeah yeah what's your favorite spot uh in austin to get a meal like is it it's impossible to say there's so many good spots there's so many good spots austin is crazy with the amount of great restaurants like really high-end restaurants i've eaten steak at every fucking restaurant in town and i gotta think the best one is jeffrey's jeffrey's is i still haven't gone i gotta go perfection it's perfect they're all great like i've never had a bad steak at jay carver's i've never had a bad steak at uh eddie v's they're all great but there's something about whatever jeffrey's is doing i think they got rated like the number two steakhouse in the country something crazy like that i gotta go to jeffrey's i've been dragging my ass i love jay carver jay carver's amazing you know amazing their steak is different jeffrey's steak you know like jay carver's steak is uh he's he's using one of those argentine grills so it's all live fire over wood delicious flavor yeah yeah but man there's like another another level like whatever jeffrey's doing like fuck i go i love gary the bartender at eddie v's and he makes killer martinis i love to go in and get a martini straight bar shrimp cocktail beautiful yeah and uh and some steak but i love i gotta tell you it's the same owners as jay carver i actually think i like the uh steak at red ash a little bit better than jay carver how jay carver i love the steak at red ash a little bit better than jay carver how there's just something different about i don't i don't know what the difference in the prep is but just the steak and then also having the option of all the italian foods that you can get with the steak yeah red ash is phenomenal too yeah they have another place called um the kimberly that's that place is phenomenal too kimberly's very good yeah there's too many good restaurants you have a an abundance of choices here it took it took a minute because when i first moved back because i was here in 2000 for a year when i first moved back you know i was in new york for so long i forgot like austin is more of a destination city you have to kind of find the places and tommy pope was like dude give me your phone and he went into my google maps and he bookmarked 10 spots and it was like get this here get this there get this here get in every spot i was like okay now now we're now we're rocking and rolling it was great yeah imagine back in the day before the internet you couldn't just google like what's the best steakhouse in austin you couldn't i mean that's kind of an amazing thing now right you'd be told about a restaurant right you know yeah yeah what's what's tough i do that in cities um when i'm on the road i'll look up what's the best italian sandwich in the city sometimes it's right sometimes it's like you know the most popular touristy place exactly sometimes it's just a place that paid for publicity so they're getting on these lists and it's not accurate but when you find it it's great the internet is a great tool to help find these places like you said it used to just be word of mouth you just have to say what's good and now you're depending on some guy's opinion which is not always the best but yeah but there's some certain places it's like people are your own little siskel and ebert for movies but for restaurants like you've got to find a fat guy who loves food yeah that guy's going to tell you where the best spots are oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you know who knows everything there's like east coast places though that you're just never going to get anywhere else other than the east coast there's certain like kind of small italian restaurants in particular there's this place i used to go to when i lived in new rochelle frank and john's i think it was frankie and johnny's i think that's what it's called okay in new rochelle this italian place it was so fucking insane it was so insane they made a movie about that well there was a movie called frankie and johnny without pacino and i think it's about that restaurant i think he works at that restaurant really yeah i i think so it yeah it's it's got a lot of restaurants right but it's i mean i'm 90 sure it was in new rochelle because that's where i lived i lived in new rochelle if it wasn't in new rochelle it was in the surrounding areas like maybe mount vernon or something like that but oh my god dude was so good when i got my first development deal um my manager thought that i had a gambling problem but it was really just because i was eating steak and lobster every night go where's all your money he's like what are you doing he's spending so much money do you have a gambling problem and i was like no i'm eating steak and lobster every night i've been poor my whole life i'm fucking eating like a king until this shit runs out i don't even know if it's gonna last but i'm riding this bitch right into the rocks my favorite thing about when i finally got to a point of some financial stability with this crazy career that you go through for a long time without knowing what's next but my favorite thing about when i finally got to a point of some financial stability with this crazy career that you go through for a long time without knowing what's next but my My favorite thing was when I could go, I can eat whatever I want now. Like that was a huge moment to me. That's one of the biggest. Brian Callen said that to me once. He goes, other than obviously taking care of your family and mortgage and all that stuff, after like life necessity, the big change, the big change is being able to go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not think about it. Not worry about the bill. Yeah. And if you can do that, like you have real freedom. Like that's like the big, the first big leap. And then everything after that is like these little things. It's great. Oh, look, I live in a nice apartment. Oh, look, I have a nice car. Oh, look, I got the shoes that I wanted. Oh, look, that's all fine. Yeah. That's nice. But the weight that's lifted off of you when you don't have to worry about your bills, that's number one. Yeah. That's the big one. Yeah. That's the giant leap. That's between the two buildings. Like, I don't know if this is going to work out. Two weeks. Beep. Bump. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to be okay. Yeah. Now it's just about how hard do I work and what kind of success do I have? But I can feed myself now with no fears. Dude, I actually might have said this to you the last time I was here. I don't remember. But it's the most profound moment for me in practicing gratitude for my life. I swear to God, it's the supermarket. When I check out at the supermarket, I try to remind myself, you just pulled whatever you wanted off the shelf to fill your cart and you didn't have to worry about can I pay for this or not. You're checking out and you're paying for your groceries and it costs what it costs. I was like, there are people that don't have this, man. Remember this. A ton of people. Here's the question, though. Do you think that there's value in not having that when you're young and then developing that sort of drive and ambition and desire to overcome that? Yeah. To earn money and get something because you know what it's like to be poor. Yes. Or do you think the world. would be a far better place if instead of people having to concentrate on necessities like food and shelter, society reaches a point where that is a given and no one ever has to worry about food and shelter. And now it's all about what do you want to pursue and how much energy you put into it? Or do you think that you have to have that struggle? I think, look, I don't think that that struggle and the transition out of that struggle is ever bad for anybody. I think it's a, I think it's a, it builds your spirit and it builds your, who you are. That said, the other version of it, I don't know, because it's just not a thing that we have here. It's not a thing that people have ever experienced here. And I don't even know if they really experienced it anywhere else. I mean, I think there's like forms of socialism, but they all involve oppression. There's, they all involve government overreach. 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I will tell you this, and this might be a byproduct of the culture we live in because we don't have it. I will say there is a noticeable difference to me between people I am friendly with that grew up with money and people that I know that grew up that didn't have it. Right, but is that because of our society? That's my question. This is the question that I have. Is it necessary that that has to be your strength? Is it a struggle in order to develop the kind of discipline that you need to be successful in life? Or is it just our society is fucked up and that desperation that we're putting into people, you're just making the motivation different? Like you're enforcing the idea of greed because people become selfish because no one was looking out for them and they have a chip on their shoulder, all that shit. But you don't necessarily have to have that to have interest in pursuing something to the best of your abilities. Yeah, it's a tough thing. It's a tough thing to define. It really is. I think there's bonuses to both. But I also think, too, in the socialist society thing, hey, isn't it great if you can go, hey, man, I'm a waiter and I'm able to live a normal life and buy a house and be normal, you know, whatever. Yeah, but that's not socialist. That's just, we're fucked in terms of like the amount people earn versus what you can buy versus like the 1950s. Right. In the 1950s, you know, the way a person can make a living and feed an entire family off of one paycheck, it was way easier. Yeah. It was a lot easier. Yeah. Well, it always makes me laugh because one of my favorite TV shows of all time is All in the Family, right? And the whole thing with All in the Family was supposed to be that they were kind of struggling. Like Archie was a cab driver and they didn't have a lot of money, whatever. You look at that fucking house they lived in, you're like, that house would be $10.3 million now. They're living pretty fucking good. It's a nice house. Right. It's all clean and nice inside. It's got two floors. Yeah. And the guy's a cab driver. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a tough, it's a tough thing. But as far as the society we live in personally, I think it's better to have known what nothing is and then go to appreciating what you do have. I don't know because I've never, I've never grown up any other way. But I wonder if you have a con, if you have conscientious parents and you're a young kid and you know, your dad just sits you down and tells you, Hey buddy, you can be whatever you want, but you're going to have to fucking put in the work. Like there's, there's only one way out of this thing and nobody, nobody rides for free. And if you do ride for free, you're going to be depressed. If somebody gives you everything that you have, those are the people that are the most aimless. The rich kids that I've met that have no, like they've had money their entire life. Mm-hmm. Like they, their parents just give them a trust fund so they don't have to work and they're worth like a ton of money. They're all sad. Right. They're all sad. Then, then they have, they're all super insecure. They're all, they all act real weird. Yeah. I know one or two people that had trust funds grew up like that, but still worked their asses off because again, you're saying it's what the parents and say, well, you know, I think a big part of that, right, is what the parents are still in you. There's all this talk now of Nepo babies and all that stuff. I was good friends years ago with Eden, Eden Brolin. Um, she's Josh Brolin's daughter and she was very close with her dad. I remember, I remember she was in my house one day in LA and she's like, I'm not supposed to tell anybody. My dad's going to be Thanos in the Marvel movies. And I was like, that's fucking crazy. Right. So like, but she, dude, she worked for every fucking thing. She, I became friends with her cause she was a hostess at the stand in New York. Like she always had regular jobs. She plays in a band now. She does some acting, but she is not in a situation where her dad put her wherever. And I think it's because they're very close, but I think it was because she was just raised in a way where he was like, you're going to earn your shit and you know, and, and you're going to do your thing. And, and she's an amazing person. Like there was none of that, none of that. My dad's famous and I'm comfortable arrogance. But he's a cool guy. He's a very normal guy. I never met him. He's a very nice guy. Yeah. Very, very smart and very normal. Like you can hang out with talk and jokes around. He's like, he's very present. Yeah. And there's, there's a lot of people like that that you think of, you know, you think of actors as all being these fucking aloof weirdos who live in this bizarre liberal, like progressive leftist bubble. And a lot of them are, there's, there's a giant number that are, but man, there's a ton of like really solid, cool people that are actors like Billy Bob Thornton. Yeah. Cool as fuck. He seems awesome. So cool. He got, actually got me this short, short shout out to him. That's awesome. And I said, nice shirt, man. And so he hooked it up. I'd love to meet him. He's great. He's great. There's a lot of those guys that are really great. Woody Harrelson's fucking great. I was just going to say McConaughey's great. I became friendly with Woody and his wife through Tony. He's so nice. He's the fucking bad. They're both amazing. Like he's, he's so fucking cool, man. Yeah. Like so, so cool and present as you go. He's just always chill and hanging out. Always like super friendly and nice to everybody. Woody's so nice. He, he, he said a thing to me with the first time I ever hung out with him. He came to kill Tony and, and, and we were drinking after the show and we had a great time. And at the end of the night, he just goes, and Tony had plugged my special at the beginning of the show or whatever. And at the end of the night, and I mean, we'd had a few, we were in Mitzi's. We were kind of just getting into that swaying around, you know? And, uh, I was like, it was great to meet you, man. And he goes, he goes, yeah, man, it's fun tonight. And he goes, I'm going to watch your special. And I go, thanks, man. And he goes, I never promised you a Rose garden. And I was like, yeah, that's the name. And he's like, I'm going to watch. I'm like this fucking guy remembered the name of my special from a plug five hours ago. And I was like, that's awesome, man. Like what a fucking, this is a good dude. Yeah. What an awesome dude. Yeah. They exist, man. You know, there's a lot of them out there. You'd be shocked. Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Very cool guys. Like talk to them on and off here. I've talked to Matt before. I actually randomly ran into Matt Damon a few years back in Italy at a restaurant where he was seated under a picture of him. So I had already met him before. The UFC. And then, uh, we were in Italy. I was with my family and he was with his family and he sat down and we were already sitting down and we were right across. I go, Oh, look at that picture of Matt Damon. And then literally Matt Damon walks in and sits right under the picture of Matt Damon. And I go, Hey Matt. And he's like, Hey, what are you doing here? Gave me a big hug. And I was like, but this is so meta. So strange to like, look at a photo of a guy on the wall and go, Oh, I know him. That's Matt Damon. And then he comes in and sits right there. Right after you say it. That's so funny. That's so funny. What are the odds? Did you ever see, uh, did you ever see autofocus? The Bob Crane movie? Yes. What a crazy movie. I love that movie. That movie's crazy. Do you think the guy killed him? His buddy? Yes, I do. I do. It seems like it. I do. I think so. But that's when they show how he would get laid on the road. Crazy. He would wait for the reruns of Hogan's heroes to be on TV and then knew when they were on. And there's that scene, that scene where he tells the bartender he goes could you put on channel 22 whatever she puts it on and he's sitting under it and then the hot chick comes up she goes oh my god is that you and he goes oh how embarrassing well back then you got to think hogan's heroes first of all how much has society changed and how much more sensitive have people gotten when you think that hogan's was a show about a nazi concentration camp and it was a comedy yeah yeah yeah it was a comedy yeah it was a comedy about prisoners of war that were captured by the nazis yeah yeah and they made like they had like lovable nazis lovable nazis that were like bumbling buddies nobody died the show was on for like five years nobody died no did anybody how many seasons did hogan's heroes go 168 episodes six seasons god damn 168 episodes six seasons and no one died they didn't kill anybody how many people died on hogan's heroes run that through our ai sponsor perplexity yeah how many people died during world war ii in a nazi prison not a one not a one nobody got tortured in six years and 148 episodes yeah yeah it's so insane do you think they they get into a little bit of this in the movie but they they play it down but do you think there was a lot of pushback do you think there was like the that they were like what are you fucking crazy we can't make this show this is nuts or was it just there in the movie was there pushback i don't remember there's a little bit where he's like it's kind of crazy almost nobody dies on screen or as a plot event in hogan's heroes it was a broad comedy and the regular heroes hogan clink heroes clink colonel clink schultz the fucking nazi guard he's a hero and the prisoners survived the series the notable fictional death of major wolfgang hochstetter who was reportedly killed during an allied bombing raid and the commandant dies at dawn the title is misleading colonel clink is not killed so the practical answer is one named reoccurring character with occasional unnamed wartime casualties implied rather than shown yeah nobody died obviously that's clink was like remember i see nothing he saw nothing he was always like i gotta get out of here i see nothing like they're all plotting fucking devious things to try to get back at the guards and he was like i see nothing it's like having a show where the clan and then the clan is like kind of funny the black guys are like break dancing the clan's having a good time with them yeah the closest i've ever seen to it is tarantino in django when he makes the clan scene funny when they're all like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know kind of dumb do you remember that scene god i don't remember that scene unfortunately there's a scene with the clan and they're i think jonah hill has a cameo in it and they're all kind of dumb and it's like funny dialogue with the clan you're like i don't know how he just pulled this off but he did it's the scene with the bag so they're trying to talk about the like my wife made mine oh yeah okay yeah yeah well my point was that if you go back to that year like what year was hogan cirrus was the 70s 65 to 71 65 to 71 okay being on television was a very new thing oh yeah very new thing a sitcom star was a very new thing it was only at the most what two decades old how old is the honeymooners what year was that honeymooners are the early 50s i believe right i think and it was a spinoff of the gleason variety hour whatever the fuck that was called it was a sketch they did 55 yeah it's only on tv for a year what yeah what year did it start it says it originally aired from 55 to 56 wow that's the thing the honeymooners there's only one season so i have both honeymooners box sets because i love the show episodes 39 episodes in one season that's a lot the main box set is called the classic 39 because that's all the episodes that weren't sketches on the show or anything he did 39 episodes and he was like we did it it's done it's like nobody does that now right you know seinfeld did it and uh ricky gervais does it he does three seasons and he goes that's it they did 39 and it was a massive success and they were like you have to do more of these and he's like nope we did it we're good we have nothing left to say really yeah and then they did reunion shows and shit but like that was it that's wild that's wild he went on to do all kinds of other shit though he went on to do all kinds of other shit though he went on to do all kinds of other shit oh yeah he was in uh the hustler in 62 he played a serious role minnesota fat yeah yeah you know he was he was like the only guy that's ever been in a movie about a pool player that was a real pool player like he could fucking play like you watch him play in the movie like oh okay that's a real pool player yeah like the way he strokes the ball he strokes the ball like a pro guy he could run like i think he ran like 75 balls in straight pool it might be 100 but like the 100 balls is like the number if you could run 100 balls in straight pool people like that guy's legit he's he can run 100 balls yeah you know and he could do that gleason was uh an incredible what's that jamie it's kind of interesting about the show the the the sketches were over 35 minutes or more and the writers felt restricted by the half hour format wow so that partially had something also had a contract uh issue too so they were they felt restricted but because they didn't have a contract they didn't have a contract they didn't have a contract enough they didn't want more time to they said it was too slapstick and fast-paced according to tv guide huh look at this he had seven million dollars left on his contract in 1956 which is crazy money the excellence of the material could not be maintained i had too much fondness for the show to cheapen it wow i mean that is baller 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save 60 on your new simply safe system and at simply safe dot com slash rogan that's sixty percent off at simply safe dot com slash rogan plus when you order let them know that we sent you don't forget there's no safe like simply safe but even that's like kind of unheard of when seinfeld when it was announced they were all going to get a million an episode i remember that was like groundbreaking it was like this has never been done before and whatever this guy was offered the equivalent of that back in fifty six and said nah i'm good he probably already had so much money and he was drunk all the time yeah that guy drank all the time yeah he was so fun did you ever watch his final interview yes yes yeah he's in the tracksuit just chain smoking oh yeah he didn't give a fuck yeah tracksuit trains wow he's making eight hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars now the equivalent but he had to pay for production costs it says oh that's different yeah oh okay art carney carney received three thousand five hundred dollars a week which is forty two thousand dollars a week now audrey meadows two thousand dollars a week wow women got fucked over back then no but jackie gleason enterprises was running the show so i mean yeah he fucked her over is what i'm saying art carney got fucking almost twice as much as her god damn jesus she was his wife yeah person got residuals what yeah reportedly only only cast member to receive residuals when the uh. because they had to change that shit later yeah they need you know that's where those strikes in the writers union in the sag all that stuff plays a part because you get i got residuals for news radio and they're not what you think they are like people think it's it's it's gonna like change your life you never have to work again that's only for the people like jerry seinfeld that own the show yeah the regular people that get residuals it's nice it's a good thing but it's it makes sense they're showing the fucking show over and over and over again it's still your work yeah you know it does make sense you're reselling it so it's not the original deal that you had to put it on nbc for one hour now it's like a thing where you're gonna sell it again and so all the actors get paid again it makes sense dude i've told you this before i'm gonna tell you again so it's documented and i know you're not that interested but you you need to fucking keep acting dude you're fucking great on that show that is not easy i in my opinion multi-cam sitcom despite it being the easy job in show business as far as payment time versus reward it is the hardest type of acting because it is an acting where you have to land jokes and gags and you have to make it convincing that is very very very hard to do you are so fucking good on that show i i'm and i watch news radio all the time still i told you last time i was here it got me through one of the things got me through covet was doing news radio front to back you need that you need to keep that's very nice of you thank you very much but i think your idea of what's very hard to do and my idea what's very hard to do are two totally different things well because the acting on a sitcom is easy as fuck okay it's so water you know what this is this is joe de rosa in the green room of the mothership you know what how many times you have to say that i go to that green room you're all fucking you know i'll go out you walk funny you look diseased it's just not that stuff it's fucking easy if you're a comic it's easy if you're used to doing stand-up in front of a live audience that's a lot harder and then the the acting they look they give you especially if you're working with great people you know i was doing scenes with dave foley and maura tierney and all those they were amazing the cast was incredible kathy uh excuse me vicky lewis andy dick uh candy alexander but i will say the route they were incredible i will say this to you though the fact that what you just said it's easy is why i think you should be doing it i think you are a natural fucking actor and i think you're you it's just pretend dude it doesn't listen it's not daniel i've never done daniel day lewis acting that's like the real acting val kilmer acting right in in tombstone that's real act i think you could i don't want to do it well i'm interested if i had another life if i had another life i love movies i fucking love you know it's a great show what's that great show it's called lucky and it's on apple it's about what is that lady's name with the big eyes first episode she's really beautiful but very unusual looking what is her name again anna taylor joy is that her name so she was in the queen's gambit she fucking yeah killed it in the queen's gambit anya anya from the witch right is she in that too she's i think that was her first movie was the witch i family will watch it with me i want to watch it i try i'm a giant robert eggers fan i think he fucking murdered nosferatu i think it was the best vampire movie by far of all time nosferatu was dope the lighthouse was dope you've seen the werewolf the werewolf trailer that's coming out okay don't you okay me i have i have don't you okay me son of a bitch here's what i will say what the fuck are you gonna say i love robert eggers i'm not knocking it but it's the fourth movie he's released i'm not knocking it i'm not knocking it i'm not knocking it i'm not knocking we're in the trailer i see black and white footage and a lot of people twitching that's what you need that's what i'm looking for i'm like all right i just come on i don't know if it's going to be different this looks phenomenal yeah it's it's phenomenal of course he's twitching he's turning into a werewolf there's fuck is wrong with you derosa there's no world where it'll be a bad movie no world doesn't exist that guy knocks it out of the park a plus every movie the north you've seen that i did fuck you didn't love that i didn't get out of this room i didn't know go home you you stop go home i'll tell everybody about your special afternoon you son of a bitch how could you not like the northman i wanted more battles i want it more like it was perfection and a plus you know what took me he might be my favorite director of all time you know what took me out of the northman what uh being a pussy no take it easy fucking uh no i'll tell you what took me out of the northman it was taking me out of it it was fucking me up let me see what she looks like back then is she she's in the northman of course she is she rules she rules but i love i think edgers does great work or eggers excuse me does great work oh dude he's the best i think he's my favorite director of all time next to tarantino tarantino is always going to be number one he's but this guy's because i feel like there's like levels yeah to movies and i think tarantino is he's the undeniable peak of the mountain and then everything else is pretty dope the uh scorsese's got some murder he's got some killers but a bunch of those guys have a few lemons well i mean you're gonna you're gonna have some lemons when you went i mean scorsese's output is incredibly high and it's like of course you're gonna have a few duds well this is one of the reasons why tarantino's the goat is because he figured out how to have no lemons other than death proof which tony loves we argue about it all the time i just showed her for a second yeah she looked good i don't think she's in the trailer a lot that was let me see nicole kid been and that was a long movie that was a long time ago this movie right what year was this that's probably the northman pre-covid i think i think so i think it's like 2017 or 18 does it say jamie i'm amazed with robert eggers that he gets wide release the types of movies he does i think it's because they sell all right they fucking sell dude i mean they're so good they're so good people love them and they go to see them i mean that's it's really that simple it's what year was it jamie four years ago oh really that wasn't like four years ago oh shit it's crazy um see if you could find a photo of nicole kidman from that and i'm obviously not saying the movie's bad because nicole kidman had plastic surgery but it did it does take me out of a period piece with see that doesn't look like plastic surgery to me she looks totally normal maybe it's just because i remember maybe you just want her to have plastic surgery because you're a hater i'm not shitting on nicole kidman by the way a little bit of a hater she looks perfect she's got yeah what are you saying a little work it looks perfect a little work a little work i don't see work dude i see a beautiful face you son of a bitch fuck is wrong with don't you go so down there when she's with anya taylor joy right there that's her right there so that that looks a little fillery unfortunately that look i think has gone away though i think ladies are realizing that nobody likes it no the filler face did you see the trailer for this thing the neuromancer no uh so what's this nerds are super pumped this is like the story where like oh i've heard the matrix shit came out of this so i it's taking me a tv show actually it's not even a movie wait how do you mean the matrix came out like the ideas of like uh jacking in and stuff like that yes who wrote that book uh from 1984 william william gibson yeah this is supposed to be a movie that people were concerned was like impossible to train or a book rather that people were concerned with impossible to translate into a film correctly okay i don't know why because i haven't read the book but i've read that argument like there's no way you're ever going to really nail this jackson and now he's like in some new space which i don't again i haven't read it either i don't know spoiler alert or anything so i don't know much about it i don't know much about it i don't know much about it but people are very pumped that they attempted this and it looks cool but but wait a second so did the matrix just take all of its ideas from this no here i'll find out what i mean when i said that okay lucky watch is so lucky it's on apple tv it's only as uh seven episodes and it's only going to be one season i think i just started watching the shards which i'm feeling the term cyberspace came out of that book and then like there you go a consensual who was yeah consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of authorized the matrix actually itself i think came out of there oh well um that's common right that's common he's he was ahead of his time he figured it out so now this is a weird thing okay and this is the thing you notice with with these directors that break through and do an amazing first movie and then it's kind of followed by a lot of ho-hum stuff you mean the matrix yeah well the wachowskis the matrix was this cultural phenomenon it changed everything and blah blah blah blah their movies after that except for maybe v for vendetta none of them really ever lived up to that so now we're seeing this and i'm like well did they just get all the great ideas for the matrix from this other thing and then they made a great movie and then that's why they were never able to kind of hit that again every matrix sequel is terrible they're literally jacking in the same exact way through the back of the head yeah it's the same thing and they're I'm just saying the term "The Matrix" came out of the that's crazy i thought they made that up you know they got sued too because some lady wrote um i think it was a graphic novel it might have been a short story or graphic novel i forget what it was but she wrote a a story and brought it to them apparently well she also said she wrote the terminator for both so is she just a kook that's a kook manuscript titled the third eye from 1980s and she yeah i saw the story i remember when yeah let me let me tell you why she's a kook harlan story well because he mentioned the terminator harlan ellison wrote an episode of the outer limits called demon it was called demon with the glass hand harlan ellison sued james cameron when the terminator came out and he goes that's my fucking story i did it on the outer limits in the 60s and harlan ellison got paid and they were like yeah it's actually kind of the same thing huh so this lady did not write the terminator in the 80s well it could be multiple influences but it could be multiple inspirations right it could be the worst one is and i'm a fan because if let's just not what's not we're not accusing anyone of plagiarizing no but we're saying if someone was going to plagiarize why wouldn't they plagiarize from multiple sources you can't just say just because he stole a giant chunk of it from that one episode of a show and he's not going to plagiarize it he's going to plagiarize it he's going to plagiarize it that doesn't mean that he didn't steal a bunch of other stuff and i'm not saying anybody stole right right i don't think james cameron stole a goddamn i don't think he saw anything i think he saw i think he might not have even seen it there's a lot of parallel thinking when it comes to this concept of ai and robots being like people and they go it's in battlestar galactica sure you know i mean it's like there's a lot of that where people become robots it's in the original alien movie in 1979 remember right there's a fucking an artificial intelligence that is their guy yeah that they don't know is a robot until it it has uh i think they beat it to death i think how'd they find out that it's a robot it's um i think they they kill it they knock its head off and that's how they find out it's a robot blanking on the act it's it's um oh god the guy's a great actor he's one of my favorites and i'm blanking on his name so this is 79 that they did that right so that's the terminator like these concepts have been around for a long time the concepts of artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence taking over i think it was more the plot line of this this robot comes back oh in time it was something like that oh and i don't i don't think james cameron stole it because there's no other evidence of him ever swiping something i but i do think like we all do this thing where we see something we don't remember it goes into the subconscious and maybe you go i got a great idea and you're not realizing oh actually that's a thing i saw when i was 10 he's pretty intensely creative like an original i don't i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't imagine that he would do that i would i would hope not i don't think so but harlan ellison did win the the case interesting um i wonder how much you got pay how much did harlan ellison get for that the lawsuit did they disclose it or did they pay him just to shut the fuck up well ellison is i mean he is everybody's everybody that loves sci-fi he's their favorite sci-fi guy really he is he's the guy ellison is the guy you'd love you should read up on harlan ellison you would love they probably should there's not enough time to consume all the things yeah there's so many things to consume um dispute ended out of court settlement there you go rather than a court ruling on what so they just paid him shut the fuck up so they probably gave him a fat check yeah there it is soldier and demon with the glass hand involved combatants from a future war arriving in the including a relentless futuristic soldier sent to kill ellison argued that the terminator borrowed this core setup commentators often mention his outer limits episode demon with the glass hand but ellison himself reportedly uh said his principal claim concerned soldier not that episode so it seemed like it wasn't maybe there was more than one thing either way um you could you know it's like every werewolf movie is a guy gets bit by a werewolf sure you know what i mean sure you could say no one can make a werewolf movie anymore because the wolfman because you're all stealing from the wolfman well i think the difference is that's werewolf mythology right overall that's true versus you know what i mean that's true yeah of course yeah i mean that's yeah but a bad example the uh it's not an original story but you would love harlan ellison because he was just i'm sure my favorite story of his is he talked about when he was in college and he goes my my literary professor said i had no talent so i got expelled because i punched him in the throat he's a maniac maniac how many bad teachers have ruined a kid's future by telling them they have no talent yeah right how many it's nuts so many there's so many stories like that so many stories of some shitty teacher it's nuts did you have when you were getting into well wolf how old were you when you said i'm going to go do comedy i'm not going to do any of the shit that i studied in school i'm going to actually well i barely studied in school i only went to school because i didn't want to be a loser literally i went to umass boston like the continuing education program so i didn't have to take my sats and i only went for three years i was wasting my time and the whole time i was doing it i was fighting and that was my primary concern that was what i was thinking about and i was teaching at boston university oh you mean like like mma fighting okay kickboxing and taekwondo okay um and uh that was my concern i really was the the the but you tell people you know oh what do you do oh i'm a taekwondo fighter fucking loser you fucking loser i'm totally i would not tell people what i did i'm going to school i'm going to umass boston that was literally that's what i was doing oh my god that's so fucking funny dude four times state taekwondo champion had fought all over the country i didn't know that yeah i knew you've had fighting in your background oh yeah you were champ and stuff yeah i was really good when i was young at taekwondo i was really good what made you switch gears from that to go into comedy well first of all there's no future in it there was no future i tried out for the olympics in 88 i made it to the nationals i won the states and i went made the nationals i made to the third fight in the nationals and i lost that was in miami in 88 and then i realized like i wasn't as enthusiastic about it anymore oh yeah you got extra cigarettes thank you look at that here yeah i knew you might want some for everybody yeah yeah um and then um i was also getting brain damage and i was very aware of that i would lie in bed at night after sparring and my head would be ringing just throbbing just boom boom boom boom jesus christ i was like i'm doing this for free there's no money in this i'm not making any money holy shit yeah i was sparring a lot especially kickboxing sparring i was getting hit a lot it was a lot of like kickboxing wars and it was just not worth it it was just not and i was realizing like i gotta get out before i become that guy at the gym because there were some guys that i had met and then i'd watch them deteriorate a little during the time that i knew them and i was training with them i watched their personalities change i watched them get like slower like i could see their movement was compromised because they got brain damage they've been knocked out a few times and i was realizing like oh this is a real problem and no one seems to be thinking about it everyone's like pretending it doesn't exist because they just want to be a tough guy and they just want to fight and win and it becomes the thing you do and the thing you do is the the only thing you know and if that thing is bowling then you bowl every night you know if that thing is golf then you golf every day if that thing is fighting you're fighting all the time and it was uh by the time i was and i was also realizing there's no future in this i'm not going to ever have any money i'm always going to be poor i'm always going to be like wondering where my next paycheck coming from this is there's no money in this and there was no ufc back then and um i got talked into doing stand-up by my friends that's literally how it started this episode is brought to you by black rifle coffee the only coffee we drink here at the jre studios america's 250th birthday celebration may be over for some brands but not for black rifle coffee they've celebrated america since their founding in 2014 and continue supporting the communities that make america strong last year they eliminated 34 million dollars in veterans medical debt that's real relief to families who served our nation and this year they're doing it again aiming to eliminate even more beyond financial support black rifle lives its mission every month they send their employees to support initiatives by the boot campaign folds of honor and others giving back to veterans first responders and their families every bag box or can directly supports that mission you can grab killer roasts like just black that's my favorite spirit of 76 or the extra caffeinated wake in the neighbors at walmart your local black rifle coffee shop or if you're in texas at heb veteran founded american roasted black rifle coffee is america's coffee and that was it i mean you moved fairly fast right through stand-up well um see i did half hour comedy hour mtv half hour comedy hour i was like five years in five years in stand-up and um then i got on the television show hardball the show i did with jim brewer yeah did that flew out here or flew out to california rather and that got canceled after six episodes and then i got news radio right away so i only auditioned for two shows ever wow hardball and news radio and i got both of them it was the luckiest streak of all time no acting i took a couple of acting classes that i had to take when disney gave me the money the first development deal they said do you know how to act i'm like i don't know why are you guys giving me money it made no sense yeah they just wanted to put me on a sitcom and you know this was in the 90s when sitcoms were like roseanne and seinfeld it was a gold mine if you could find a personality that you thought was someone who would click on a sitcom that people would want to watch you know every tuesday night or whatever it was they were they were willing to pay you a lot of money and then all of a sudden i was out in la but it was never a desire of mine so because it wasn't a desire of mine i didn't get nervous like i didn't get nervous doing auditions i was it was not an it was not a thing where i'm like this could change my life this could be it it was like what am i doing here yeah what is this what am i doing here it's um it's you're you're good at it that's what you're fucking doing there man it's not it's not hard dude it's again it's not real acting it's not you know marlon brando it's it's just you're just pretending that this thing is happening in the the newsroom it's not hard it's fucking it's fucking a easy i mean the meantime i'm doing jujitsu um i was still sparring back then so i'd go to the jet center and kickbox and spar and so i'd go to work i'm like this is so easy this is so easy compared to stand up and kickboxing and did you notice when you said you were you were noticing damage happening because your head throbbing and ringing whatever did you notice any other effects or did you cut it off before any effects could actually you know like law like actual things that were affecting you no i didn't notice anything like i was compromised or i couldn't think well or i was forgetting things it wasn't like that i i think i cut it off before i got that bad but i definitely got some brain damage 100 and i think it plays a part of my uh impulsiveness in my i i you know i like scary things i i like i like things that make me nervous i like things that are really hard to do and i think that might be part of that right is that i got rattled a bunch of times in my formative years yeah because from 15 to 21 who knows how many times i got hit in the head yeah a lot you're you're we're we're very different in that way you're you're you're a guy that i think like very much likes a child the conquering the challenge you know uh you know well it keeps me sane that's what keeps me sane i think you make your the voluntary things that you engage in that are way more difficult than the rest of your life it makes the rest of your life easier because these hard things that you do voluntarily voluntary adversity you force yourself to do hard things all the time so then when other things that are seemingly hard come up you're like ah this ain't shit compared to a cold plunge this ain't shit i just did a workout a hypoxia workout and uh so it's at i have a box in my studio that goes to it takes all the air out so it puts you at the equivalent of 50 feet 15 000 feet above sea level and you do this interval training so you do sprints on the airdyne machine you get off of that and you do these kettlebell cleans and presses or swings and you get off of that and then you do the sled and you push the sled or you do backwards on the sled and it's got varying resistance and you do them in these 50 second 40 second and then 30 second sprints so like everything else is easy god damn dude i'm just i can't i i admire it i admire the shit out of it well it's just for me i think everybody should do something hard it keeps it keeps me sane for me i need it i don't know you know i'm not other people i don't i don't pretend to know how they feel but i know how i feel if i don't exercise regularly i have more anxiety i don't feel comfortable i don't feel good i'm more irritable i don't like it i don't like that feeling when i am like when i work out really hard and i do the things that i'm supposed to do i feel great i feel friendly i feel happy i feel light i feel like life is easy yeah it's it's a thing i'm not i'm not blowing smoke it's a thing i've noticed about you you're you're a very i would even say happy go lucky kind of guy like you're you're very friendly you're always in a very good mood i've very rarely seen you and i see you frequently now at the club very rarely seeing you come in where you're like yeah fuck like i don't think ever to be honest with you and it's i guess everything you're saying like it puts you in choice it's a choice to feel like that that that don't do you any good unless you're trying to do something with that fuck this unless you've got some shit you have to get done that's hard and you want to have this attitude where you're gonna attack it like fuck this like regular life like why why why why upset why why you're not in gaza right what are you doing you're not you're not in ukraine hiding in a fucking bunker like what are you talking about yeah what are you bitching about yeah you you're living an easy life in america and you're rich right like what how dare i be upset sure how dare i sure imagine sure with the the fortune the luck that i've had in this life me being pissed off at things that's why it doesn't bother me when people talk shit about me either i'm like okay like talk that shit you could have fun you could teach remember when youtube was doing those master classes where a guy would sit down and like steve martin would be like i'm gonna teach you how to do write comedy or whatever and david mamet did one on writing or whatever you could do a master class on youtube in how to let the shit roll off your back because i am astounded at how much it does not bother you when people are releasing clips and talking this and bull and it's all bullshit whatever and you're just like yeah whatever man have fun knock yourself out it doesn't you you can't stop people from having an opinion there's always going to be people that have an opinion and then in this market of hot takes there's always going to be people and their opinion is negative opinions are more valuable in terms of the commodity of attention attacking someone being you know calling someone out it's more valuable in this commodity yes and then there's people that have legitimate differing opinions of me and they you know they don't like this and they don't like that you know like i said this or they don't like this person that i had on what am i supposed to do address all of it even think about it i police myself as much as i can believe me if i fuck something up i i'm mad at me more than anybody's mad at me right so that way i get it out on my own i don't need a lot of external validation i don't need any i'm not interested in that i'm interested in doing the best i can and i hope people like it and that's it i went the little shit gets me man i know it does i get like you need an outlet joe de rosa you need a physical outlet to calm your mind yes that's what you need you need to get a trainer just hire a trainer we talked about this we have been talking about it get a trainer yeah because you're not going to do it on your own get someone who you show up three times a week and they put you through the paces and a smart trainer will do it nice and slow so the first few workouts it won't even be that hard you'll leave there you'll feel like energized you won't feel exhausted you'll feel like oh all right i did a little something feel good and and he's like okay we're this is a process you know we're gonna we're gonna keep ramping this up slowly but surely but you're never gonna be like oh my god i can't fucking move i went to my fucking trainer he's killing me my back is killing i can't get off the couch no no no no no a good trainer is gonna look at you ask you how what you've been doing when was the last time you worked out how often you do okay let's start here and they'll start you off with some simple body weight stuff they'll put you through some different mobility exercises different stuff to just get the get the joints lubed up get everything moving and then build your body up nice and slow nice and slow yeah my boy chuck uh you know chuck mexican ot's dad chuck yes he chuck right when you and i talked about you when you were like you should get a trainer chuck said to me unprompted he goes joe let me train with you dude take him up on yeah and he goes he goes i'll come to your apartment let's just go i'll come to your apartment that guy's jack yeah take him up on it he knows what he's doing and he said everything you just said he goes we're gonna go slow it's not gonna be this overwhelming thing because i get overwhelmed easily obviously uh and i was like chuck it's gonna be too much and i'm gonna start and he goes we're not gonna do that we're gonna take it really slow let me just come to your place whatever and so i think i'm gonna start doing it with him because i just need to yeah if you go to the wrong trainer there's some trainers out there that are meatheads or they don't really know what they're doing and they'll beat you down and they're like we're gonna fucking push it today like no no no you can't push it when someone doesn't work out when someone doesn't work out you go nice and slow nice and easy and then you slowly build up to the point where you can push it right you don't take a fucking prius and you drive it around the racetrack sideways right it's not designed for that the the suspension's gonna fall off the wheels are gonna there's no traction you got no tires right you're gonna have to build up everything yeah and then once it gets built up then you can Look at Jelly Roll, Jelly Roll lost literally almost 300 pounds which is crazy now he's running on the treadmill he did six miles when we came in to do a podcast we're all working out together right and he's fucking running on the treadmill while we're talking we're talking he said like he can breathe he can talk he's running a good clip got in the sauna with me did the whole thing when i first met him he's 500 pounds couldn't oh yeah could barely make it up to the stairs to the comedy club he couldn't couldn't walk up the stairs now he's fit now he's healthy he runs all the time yeah so it's just a process of building to get to that place like he did that show uh mcconaughey has this benefit every year and we went to the benefit and um he performed at the benefit and he's on stage and we were backstage watching it and so we're like in the me and tony and his girl my wife we're in the corner watching this jelly gets off stage and there's a railing like a ramp to get off he grew up in the corner and he's like oh my god i'm gonna go to the benefit and i'm gonna go to the railing and he grabs the railing and hops over it and lands on the other side i go dude do you know what you just did i go you used to be 500 pounds yeah and now you just jumped over that railing like a cat that's why it was amazing that's why he was so happy he's like isn't this crazy i'm like it's crazy look what you've done that's why and that's what you have to do you have to and it took him years and that's how you have to do it you have it has to be slowly but but along the way you'll feel better every step of the way it's not about it's not about breaking your body down it's about slowly introducing movement and some physical exercise and then building upon that 10 push-ups in a day then the next day you try 12 and then a week later you're doing 15 and then two weeks after that maybe you can do 20 in a row or three weeks a month two months whatever it is you everybody's got their own timing body weight squats very simple start with 10 no big deal get to 9 90 degrees pack up just just enough just to get the blood moving walking is fucking great you know what's really great walking with a weighted vest not that hard to do put a 20 pound vest on 25 pound vest on walk around the block yeah it's fucking great for you yeah there's a lot of different things that you could do that don't crush you and then you're just going to feel a little better you'll have a little bit of more you know vitality more blood flow and then you build upon that that's the key i was building slow i was doing three days a week and then i and it was getting better and better and better and then and end of the summer hit august hit i started going on the road again and all of a sudden it starts to taper off because you're like now i gotta fly on this day when i'm usually do my thing and and i got lazy and i gotta get back into it i gotta get back into it but the good thing is this with what you're saying with the slow build when i start again i'm able to start where i stopped i'm able to start there again you know what i mean right rather than where you began exactly that's great yeah that's listen man it's all about momentum discipline is very important but really momentum makes discipline a lot easier you know it's like you say oh you've got really good discipline like sort of i got i get started once you get started it's more about momentum than it is about discipline right and then it's also about writing things down if you just write it down you have to do it right you write it down and make a check that way instead of like keeping this thing in my head oh i'm just going to do it right and then it's also about writing things down and making a check that way instead of like keeping this thing in my head oh i'm just going to figure out my own workout i'll do this i'll do that no i have a whiteboard i write down on the whiteboard this is what we're doing and then you just do it yeah i had a list in my phone these are your exercise 20 reps of each of these and i just kept adding yeah exercises i don't know a good app but i'm sure there's some out there that are like a really good workout app that'll vary your workout every day based upon your level based upon like you know how much experience you have i try it's there can't the apps get confusing i tried a couple of them there's got to be a good one out there i just don't know what they are it's a lot of questions that i'm like i don't fucking know man well that's because they're trying to make it good they're going to try to make an app that you know gives you what you need but yeah exercise apps again there's there's good ones i'm sure but exercise apps kind of became like dating apps where there's a million that are all saying we're going to change your life in three days and you're like no i think most important is a real good trainer is more important because he can correct your form in real time tell you why don't do it like that you're going to hurt your back don't do it like this you're putting too much pressure on this and that and you're not balanced whatever it is he can get you to do it correctly which is more important than anything yeah when especially once you start actually lifting weights you know pavel tatsulin who's the he's the guy who really brought kettlebells to popularity in america's russian cat and uh great system of training and but one of the things that he said that really stuck with me he said strength is a secret and i think that's what he said he said strength is a secret and i think that's what he said he said strength is a skill and you should think of strength as a skill okay so like when you're working on your skills like a like kettlebell cleans and presses you shouldn't be exhausted you should do he does instead of doing it to failure you know like a lot of people like to work to fail like imagine you can clean and press 50 pounds 10 times until you're like really exhausted and on the 10th time you're like kind of cooked don't do 10 you do five right just do five and then wait a long time wait like five minutes rest up completely and then do another five do it that way that's interesting because that way you're always fresh and you're you're working on skill you're still getting the same amount of repetitions but you're not torturing your tissue you're not taxing your system you're learning and you're not taking any shortcuts 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switch the sooner you save time and money get started today at shipstation.com and get 60 days free with the code jre that's shipstation.com code jre the rest time is interesting because i i always thought well it like i was doing two different types of push-ups i was doing the fucking 45 finger spread down hold up whatever and i could get through 20 of those initially i couldn't and then when i was able to get through 20 i was like holy shit and then i was doing a different push-up with the arms back like this and those when i got to that i'd i'd hit 10 and i'd be like fuck and then i'd sit for a minute and then i a minute would go about it like you got to do the other 10 because if you know if you wait too long i always thought waiting too long was a bad thing but you're saying no actually rest five minutes take take a breath there's nothing wrong with it as long as you have the time to do the same amount of reps you just want to get enough work in so that your body forces adaptation it doesn't have to be all to failure now again it depends on what we're doing yeah you go to failure it depends on what you're trying to do if you're just trying to get stronger that's a different thing and then you know obviously i do different kinds of workouts like the workout i did today this it's all exhaustion stuff it's all sprinting it's not like the kettlebell stuff this is all high altitude and it's all like maximum intensity on the airdyne bike maximum intensity on the sled maximum intensity on the kettlebell cleans you're beating yourself up because you're only doing for 50 seconds and then or 60 seconds 40 seconds and and then you're doing it for 50 seconds and then you're doing it for 50 seconds and then 30 seconds so it's like i do a bunch of different kinds of exercises but when i do like strength stuff i've i don't ever do it to failure can you do is there a thing like like some people go the hundred push-ups a day whatever that's their thing i always wondered well is it the same if you do a hundred push-ups just throughout the day a hundred percent one hundred doesn't matter if you start at nine and finish at three farmers don't lift hay to failure right they They pick up a bale of hay, they chuck it under the pile, back to get another one they pick up a bale of hay they chuck it on the pile to go back to get another one they push a wheelbarrow they fucking hammer a post down they do a bunch of different things they do it all throughout the day but they're never doing anything where they're just very rarely at least where they're lying flat on their back breathing like they think they're gonna have a fucking heart attack right they never have that okay they never get to the point where they're dropping the bale of hay because their arms are shaking and they're like one more rep but yet they get ridiculously fucking strong right why because of all the work it doesn't have to be work to failure and in our mind we think oh you have to go to failure in order to get stronger right again we're talking about very specific things getting stronger using kettlebells especially but you could do dumbbells and other things as well if you're now if you're doing something else like if you're trying to get maximum amount of you're trying to get maximum amount of bench press if you're trying to like win a competition or maximum amount of chin-ups you can do then it's a different thing we're talking about a different thing but if you're just talking about overall building strength for your body the most important thing is volume i think okay and it's if you can like i said i think this principle that pavel tatsulin has is a really good one that instead of doing 10 if you do 10 to failure do 5 wait a while do 5 again and i think it lessens the opportunity to do 5 again and i think it lessens the opportunity to do 5 again and i think it lessens the opportunity to do 5 again and i think it lessens the opportunity to get injured you're you're much less likely to get injured doing it that way i'm very rarely injured from working out very rare from just kettlebell stuff like very rarely right all right all right you're inspiring me to to hop back in and and and start doing it again i gotta i've really you just gotta get somebody to help you you know get mexican ot's dad yeah get him to help you yeah he knows what he's doing yeah yeah no that dude's fucking jacked yeah that's that's perfect guy and he's the way what he said is the right like he knows what he's doing that's why he's the the guy to get you do it nice and slow and just build you up and also he's fun it's cool to hang out with yeah that you like that too you don't want to be an annoying trainer it's always asking you to post about him on instagram yeah fuck off you know what i mean yeah do you post i got an energy drink i'm trying to promote yeah yeah yeah yeah you get those dms exhausting yeah all right back there you go you're back i'm back in baby bro i read the craziest thing today and i need to find out it's true i sent you the thing that where nick fuentes was talking about jamie so apparently there was this plot where iran was trying to kill trump remember when uh he was supposed to get in the air force one that cotter gave him and then instead he flew in the old air force one okay well they're saying that he actually didn't even go in the old air force one that they snuck him out on a truck okay like some fucking cargo truck okay and then put him in another kind of plane and flew him out of there and then they put the press in air force one because they were think they were apparently worried they were going to target air force one as well so imagine trump put the press on air force one and they were thinking about possibly targeting them holy shit he hid in an airport catering container and was taken to a military secret flight out of the country after the nato summit last month and this is being reported by the new york times the thing is though i think they put the press on air force one so if they flew him out it's because they were worried they were going to try to take down air force one and they took the press they put no if you take the press off then they know that you're right jamie playing games just everything's normal exactly and if the press dies so sad oh my god that's fucking wild if that's true that is so wild that he didn't even tell them hey guys uh we're not really gonna get on this plane no one's getting on this plane you guys get out of here go take american airlines home no he's like hop on it's safe yeah it's air force one guys my gift to you take air force one enjoy it there's food up there sandwiches on there enjoy yourself is that absolutely what happened uh it says reporters on the older plane were not told that had not flown with them from turkey to an airbase in britain making them unwitting participants in the ruse and leaving them along with some white house staff members to serve as unknowing decoys holy shit after they arrived in britain he was secretly moved back to the older version of air force one bro jesus christ those press people were signing up for something they didn't know they didn't know what they were signing up for and they didn't tell them at all that when you like who's more important you or the president that's when you find out oh yeah they just throw you on air force one shrimp cocktail it's like boom all of a sudden you turn into fucking protons it's like fucking goodfellas when he's telling karen to go go no go down and get the dresses go ahead there's dresses no i'm okay karen holy shit that is fucking wild is that crazy that is fucking wild that's crazy yeah are they are they is there has there been backlash or are they are they hey have they are jamie are they saying anything who's saying the press i would imagine they're a little perturbed that would perturb me jesus christ that's so crazy holy shit imagine if it blew up it's like i should have been there i wanted to be there with them when they died he would probably talk shit about them oh my god that is fucking maybe they had written nicer things about me i would have told them oh my god did you i just watched um i just watched uh michael the michael jackson movie how was it it look it's the first part of his life up till bad they don't get into any of the crazy shit they're saying they're making a sequel that they might get into the some of the crazy shit but it was it was fun i'm a big michael jackson it was fun to watch i started reading up on michael jackson afterwards because i was like it just it was very nostalgic to watch do you know this when he died he was pronounced dead at neverland ranch and they lied to the press and said that he was at a hospital already and pronounced dead because they had to get the body out of neverland ranch and they knew if he put they pronounced him dead at neverland ranch they wouldn't be able to get the fucking body out of the goddamn house why because they said the press would leak it and the clamoring of fans fans and whatever else would literally have blocked them from getting the fuck from transporting the body so they had to lie and say he's dead already but he's at this hospital and it was a decoy because that's how fucking famous he was they were like we can't drive his dead body from this location to another or we're never going to get it steal the body i want to get a finger yeah something we get a finger we would have garden clippers something try to steal and here's another crazy thing because i know you've talked about the michael jackson like the conspiracies around his desk death on the show before there's another crazy thing i didn't know he owned you know he had that vast music catalog that he bought right of music publishing right he owned the beatles beatles eminem he bought eminem eminem made fun of him in a video and he bought eminem's fucking catalog as a fuck you yeah the most about that pimp move ever i'm gonna buy all your fucking music gangster yeah yeah right so he owns his catalog right it's it's it's i think he he might have owned dylan it was crazy that the the rights to the music that he owned was nuts right he's with sony sony wants the publishing back on all these artists and he owns it and when he did his last album he had to take out a loan against the record company of 200 million dollars to do the album because he didn't have a lot of money left and they said you got to put up collateral and he goes all right i'm gonna i'll put up a portion of the catalog as collateral and then he before he died he goes they're not promoting my album and because they're not promoting my album it's not selling and then everybody close to him said it was a ruse they didn't promote the album on purpose so that he would lose the fucking catalog because he wouldn't be able to pay the loan back and then right after that he died he died really fucked up that's the business he was in yeah you buy people's shit they fuck you over that's how it works yeah yeah it's come on man well it's dark playing war it's you're playing war if they blow up air force one you gotta go hey maybe we shouldn't have fucking killed the leader during ramadan this is how it works this is the game we're in this is the business we chose hey listen he's in the business of uh fucking over his enemies they decided he was their enemy they fucked him over the doctor that administered the drug that killed him is out of jail already two years and they're like no this guy was just a fall guy well you know the thing about the doctor is he was asking the doctor to do that the doctor shouldn't have done that it's not like the doctor killed him on purpose like he wanted to get anesthetized i think he was so crazy that he couldn't sleep and he was so out of his fucking mind and he was probably on a propofol if you're willing to take propofol to go to sleep what else are you taking right you're taking some other things yeah right the doctor the one thing that he said that i've found very fascinating was that he said that Michael had been chemically castrated when he was young to maintain his voice I've heard that yeah and it makes sense it completely makes sense if you look at his body it makes sense his body looks like it's devoid of testosterone yes it has no testosterone he's very thin if you look at his brothers they're all thick they're all like big dudes yeah germane they're all like men they look like men like thick men yeah he looks thin and he looks very different than them that's not normal yeah that's not normal that is that's not even normal if you don't work out and he was a dancer so he was incredibly athletic right so in all the working out that he did he should have been supple I mean he was obviously he could move so good I mean he was his movement was incredible did you ever see that Bob Fosse movie that apparently he got all those moves from the one well okay so which the miniseries that Sam Rockwell was in or all that jazz there was a movie no before that a long earlier and it's Bob Fosse doing all the dance moves that Michael Jackson did I know what movie you're talking about it's him and like a little kid he's in the desert and doing yes yeah yeah I mean it's literally all of Michael Jackson's signature dance moves come from this one movie watch this watch how he moves yep so there's this he's doing this but then he also moonwalks like look at this like all this this is Michael Jackson Wow I mean a hundred percent yo Wow look at this the the kick in the point with the toes and putting it down the movement yeah yeah I mean that's it's literally every movie does look at that that that point with the kick in the toes even the outfit it's a 1974 movie the Little Prince yeah Little Prince rather even the outfit with the fedora bro literally he he mirrored his movements it is incredible that Bob Fosse had the stamina and ability to keep dancing like that for his entire life until he dropped dead because if you watch the Sam Rockwell miniseries Fosse and Virden which is an amazing movie which is an amazing movie which is an amazing movie which is an amazing miniseries that guy bro he was I mean it was intake that's all it was he'd wake up he's popping pills speed boom boom boom coke booze cigarettes all day long chain smoking chain smoking Smith chains were drunk through the whole day popping pills doing coke and the fact that he could still stand and not just stand choreograph Broadway shows for hours and be that agile whatever is that's insane to me because he loved it it's insane that's the thing find the thing you love find that thing and you will have the energy to pursue it it's really it but but aren't you aren't you a little amazed that that his intake of substance could not would not hinder it it's kind of crazy you know but I mean we've seen that before you know yeah yeah there's yeah yeah I I hear you there's there's people that have um unreal tolerances like Shane with with booze it's unreal yeah when you see him pound 16 Bud lights and not a slur not a stammer it's nothing doesn't miss a beat puts the sunglasses on it starts getting crazy like we do protect our parks and he'll have a stack of empties at the end you're like that is insane you should be dead you should literally be dead my favorite Shane story ever ever to tell his story but this is my favorite Shane story ever and I was the other day I go dude you have to do that on tires it's so funny he said he ate chicken fingers and he felt sick and he goes to the doctor because he's like I think I have food poisoning or something looks like something's wrong right he goes the doctor goes uh you know he's asking all the questions how much do you do this whatever and he goes how many drinks do you have in a week and Shane said he took a beat and I'm gonna be honest for once and he goes 80. he's so crazy oh that's so crazy he said the doctor starts laughing he goes no come on man seriously and he goes 80. and the doctor goes it's not the chicken fingers man you drink 80 drinks a week right and I go what happened he goes I went home I threw up I was fine the next day it was the chicken fingers dude we were at uh we were at chapelle's uh summer camp thing the ranch thing and we're we're hanging out and uh I'm I'm about to go on Shane goes come on man have a drink have a drink I go dude I I already had two man like I gotta go on dude I gotta be cool I gotta be careful like he goes have another drink dude you'll be fine I go Shane I don't wanna I don't want to be tipsy he goes what number drink is that for you I go three he goes I've had 17 Bud lights have another he doesn't want to be alone in Drunkland he wants you to be there with him in Happy Drunkland he's a happy drunk though the best I love him he's so fun he's such a fun dude he's such such a unique person he's very different than anybody I've 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chilling out inside with McCusker uh and Tommy watching a movie we're just chilling and Shane came back from the beach and he was all tuned up from White Claws wherever he was drinking and uh I was laying on the on this love seat in in the room watching the movie and he just kept coming up to me and he's kept tickling me he's going come on dog you're awesome you're fun it's just he's so fun man yeah he's he's life of the party him and Joey Diaz in a room together with everybody else is like oh my God you got two enormous personalities life's at the party in the room together Diaz kills me he's the best man he's he's out here all the time now I know yeah I mean he's getting a place here at the end of the month and he's gonna do a residency so he's gonna do like two weeks a month he's gonna be here that's awesome oh it's incredible it's incredible he's the best man he's the best it's it's so fun having an I was doing the last time he was here I was doing my monthly um uh my and friend show at the mothership and uh and he was the first two the first comic was on or whatever and he goes he's like Joe could I go up on your show and I go of course and he went up and it was just seeing the pop from the audience and just I was like man this is great dude it's fun having him around we're very lucky yeah we're very lucky we got an amazing group of people around us all the time it's a lot of fun and he said the funniest thing we were talking about like diet and exercise and lifestyle change you know and uh covet I was doing too much of this or that way and I go when was your big change man he goes he goes Joe you know what day it was it was the day of the resurrection and we go what and he goes January 6th the resurrection and we go Do you mean the insurrection? He goes, whatever the fuck it was called. I don't give a fuck. He used to call Khabib Nurmagomedov Kalabeeb. The fucking Kalabeeb guy. You know, it's a part of his charm, fucking up people's names. Oh, my God. He's so funny. The best dude, man. Yeah. He lives right near where my parents live in Jersey. And I was like, oh, dude, man, when I go see my folks, I'm going to get in the car and drive up and hang out with you for a night because it'll be such a great break from just being with my mom and dad. And he's the best, man. He's just got a truly big-hearted dude, man. I was really worried once he moved to New Jersey we'd never get him out here because I went with him. We went out to eat in New Jersey, and he's the king of New Jersey. I'm like, fuck. Everywhere we go, Joey! People cheer, yell on his name. Went to the restaurant. Everybody knows him. Immediately, everybody's running over to take care of us. Joey's here. Joey's here. And I'm like, oh, he's the king of New Jersey. He's never going to leave. He loves it here. But there wasn't enough comedy there for him. No. There wasn't enough comics. And one of the things that I always say is that we don't exist in a vacuum. We always exist with each other, comics in particular. You can't really do comedy. You can't really do comedy by yourself. You can, but you can't do it to your best. You need other people doing it around you. You need to see it. You need to be around it. The hang, the talking about bits in the green room is so huge. Like, Ahsan has given me two killer taglines after seeing a bit and saying, what about this? I'm like, oh, my God, that's perfect. Those things, we're always tuning each other's shit up or reminding each other of a bit. I remember Tony's bits better than Tony's. Tony does sometimes. Right. Like, I had to tell him how a bit goes. He's like, oh, my God, I forgot that. I'm like, dude, go do that. Go do that right now. And he went up and did it right then and murdered. That's great. And I'm like, you forgot. You forgot the bit. Yeah. It's a very, it's a very, it's a very individualized sport in the sense of golf, where you're playing, like you're always playing against yourself, but it's a very communal sport in the sense that you're not playing necessarily in a literal sense. You're playing with the team, like a sketch group would, but you're playing with the team. You know what I mean? Yeah. The team is in the green room. The team, you're playing with the team in the sense that your buddy is on before you. Your buddy is on after you. You're all doing sets together. And the game is, I got to play my best game because I've got to follow the guy that just said a good game. Yes. And I need the guy after me to have a good game, so I can't fuck up his game. Yes. And it's a very interesting dynamic of team versus individual. There's also just the atmosphere elevates you. And I noticed that for sure about the Comedy Store and the Glory Days. And the Glory Days, like 2014 to 2019 when we left, there was so much activity there. There were so many guys that were going up. There was so much good comedy that you would just get elevated just being around it. Like it raised your own personal bar, like what your high watermark was. And it just, you know, you're around like guys with really tight acts. And it just, it really helps. It helps everybody. It just, it's so important to be around other great comics, you know? And that's why these hubs like New York is so great for that, LA, and now Austin. It's like these hubs are so important because you really, we go on the road on the weekends, right? That was the thing about the store. But on Tuesday and Wednesday were some of the best nights because on Tuesday and Wednesday, it would be Jesselnick, Diaz, fucking Greg Fitzsimmons. Dom Irera, over and over. Murderer's Row. Burr would pop in. And maybe Chris Rock was in town. It was like, God damn, these nights were insane. They were so good. I'll tell you the reason I moved to Austin and the thing that continues to be the greatest challenge for me here in a good way, in a constructive way, because people say all the time to me online. And shit, they'll be like, oh, you, you moved to Austin to, to, for kill Tony. I'm like, I didn't fucking move to Austin. We go to, I knew Tony and I were friends and I had done the show. I didn't become kind of a part of that show until after I lived here because Tony started to put me on and we started to have fun. And then it grew from there. You and I were, were buddies, but like, we're much tighter as pals now than we were. Well, we're around together all the time. Exactly. Yeah. Um, so I, I moved here primarily for, well, number one, I love Austin and I always, and I used to live here and I always wanted to go back. And once you could do comedy here, it was like a reason to go back. Right. And you could work. The other reason was I was, I was like, I did New York. I did LA. I want a new challenge. And there's a new scene now and all that stuff. But the thing that puts me on my toes the most, uh, and still does is this is the best place for young comics. To be able to pursue comedy because they can actually live here. They can afford it. New York has become unaffordable. LA has become unaffordable. A young comic can come here, can live like a human being and pursue their dream. And those are the guys that keep me on my, because you're like, dude, it doesn't matter if I'm the only guy on this lineup that has done TV or whatever. You got five people going up that are fucking swinging for the fences because when you're young, you're not going to be able to do that. You're not going to be able to do that. When you're young, you really are like, I got to fucking prove myself. So you're following, even if it's four unknown people, they're doing their A shit. They are trying to kill as hard as humanly possible. And you're like, all right, I guess this is, I got, I got to fucking bring it. There's that. And it's also their enthusiasm for it, you know? And, and the thing about Austin is we have a real system at the club that actually develops talent. Like we have two nights of open mic nights and we have a real talent coordinator. Adam really watches everyone. He watches the open mic nights. He gives people advice. He gets them spots. He helps them. He gets them on showcase nights. He puts them on, he gives them sets, gives them feedback, and then they get to work all around town. There's five other fucking clubs on the same street, man. It's crazy, dude. You can walk from your place to Sunset, to the Creek, to. Vulcan. Black Rabbit, to Vulcan. And then if you don't mind walking 20 minutes, you can be at Roscoe's, East Austin. It's fucking nuts, man. It's crazy. And then there's also Cap City, which is on the other side of town, which is fucking awesome. Yeah. It's amazing here. Yeah. And, you know, there's so many young people that have moved here now. And then the Kill Tony thing. The Kill Tony thing is so huge because it's, first of all. You have one minute. You have no room for virtue signaling, no room for fucking claptor. Shut the fuck up. Just, where's the jokes? Come with the jokes. And then no one takes anybody. No one's taking themselves seriously. Everybody's getting cracked on. Everyone's cracking on everybody. It's very fun. Yeah. It's a fun environment, and it's just emphasizing funny. What is funny? What makes people laugh? Yeah. And there's a bunch of different styles that do it, you know? There's a bunch of different weirdos that go up every week and. Most of them have no chance, but there's some gems. Yeah. And that's the thing about having, like, a true meritocracy, where all that matters is if you're funny. That's it. It doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter what your background is. There's. I mean, Kill Tony is, like, one of the most diverse lineups you're ever going to see. For all the people that think that Tony's a Nazi, it's kind of hilarious. It's insane. Because it's trans people, disabled people, you know, people from all walks of life, homeless. They started a career because of Kill Tony. Yeah. Literally homeless while they're doing it, sleeping in a car, and the next thing you know, they have a career. Yeah. Yeah. It's a truly amazing thing. It's. You know, we just did. He just did MSG, and I was there and did the show, and then paddled with Jimmy Carr and Attell, and it was nuts. Do you know how crazy that is that Kill Tony sells out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row? It's crazy. When I first did it with him, we did it. We did it in the fucking, the belly room at the store, and the only people in the audience were, like, comics. There was nobody in the audience. There was, like, 10 other people, maybe. Dude, I remember. Excuse me. I was down here to do South. It was when I still lived in New York. I was down here to do South by Southwest, and Tony hit me up, and he goes, Buddy, are you in town Monday? I go, yeah. He goes. Okay, he did his voice. Yeah, he goes, Buddy. He goes, come do Kill Tony, right? I go, okay. I hadn't seen him. I hadn't seen him in years, you know? And the last I saw him, I did it in the belly room. Maybe the main room. I don't. You know, whatever. But it was at the comedy store. Dude, I walked into the fucking Vulcan, because it was before Mothership opened. I walked into the Vulcan. It was like fucking Thunderdome, dude. It was two levels of people. Like, you could feel the excitement. Dude, I walked in the green room. Tony goes, there he is. I go. What the fuck is going on? dude, what is going on? I go, is it like this every week? He goes, it sells out in one minute. I was like, what? I go, did these people fly in? He's like, yeah. I was like, dude, it's broken our ticket service multiple times where it's just the overwhelming demand, the people that are trying to get tickets versus the tickets that are available. It's so crazy. It crashes the system. That's nuts. We had to revamp the system multiple times just to deal with it to kill Tony Sales. That's fucking nuts. It's nuts. Well, it's just because it's so good. It's that simple. And if you've gone, you want to go again. It's so fun. That moment, it was like, remember in Casino when Pesci goes out to Vegas for the first time and De Niro goes, and this is whatever Sharon Stone's character's name is, and then Pesci looks at Sharon Stone and he goes, holy shit, Ace. What? What the fuck you been doing out here? It was that. It was like I saw that crowd. That crowd was Sharon Stone and Tony was De Niro. And I go, what the fuck you been doing out here, man? Well, the Vulcan really opened up our eyes to the fact that we needed a club. And what happened was no one had done any standup at all for months. And then Tony and I did the Houston Improv, which was great. It was a lot of fun. We did a weekend. It was in the middle of the COVID. It was in July and everyone was scared. And I didn't. We did it and it was a lot of fun. I hadn't done standup in months. It was so much fun. But then I started thinking, what if I get COVID and then give it to one of my fucking guests and kill them? That was back when people were really worried that COVID was going to kill you. Sure. I was like, oh, no, because I have like these people that come in. Some of them are older, you know, and I had this lady on who was a scientist and she was older. And I was like, what if I gave her COVID and killed her? Yeah. Because that was back in the day. That was also, but people were really convinced that you could be asymptomatic and still spread it, which turned out. Really, what was going on was there was a lot of false positives for the PCR test, 80 plus percent false positives. Right. And so I said, let me just take time off. I don't want to do that. This just feels totally irresponsible just because I would want to get my comedy fix. Let me just ride this out. And then we wound up moving to Texas. And by the time we moved to Texas, it was around November. And Dave and I were doing these outdoor shows. Remember that Stubbs, right? Yeah, we were doing shows at Stubbs, which was a lot of fun. But everybody had to be tested. People had to wait in line. You know, it was like it was a big deal. And a few people tested positive. We had to kick them out. Right. Then the Vulcan just started doing shows. Fuck your tests. Let's just go back to the way it was. And this is in November. And Ron White went up and he hadn't gone up in like eight months. He hadn't done any stand up in eight months. And he went on stage and the audience went fucking berserk. They went berserk. Like people were standing up. Yeah. And he murdered. I mean, Ron White just laid it down for 15 minutes. I'm sure. And then he grabs me by the shoulders off stage. He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. He goes, you got to open up that club. And I was like, all right. OK, we're going to open up a club. And that was when I decided, Mike, that's it. We're going to open up a club. And then I immediately started looking at real estate. I immediately tried to find a place. Wow. I didn't know that. I didn't know that that's how the whole. That was it. Ron White grabbing me because Ron White is why I moved here in the first place. So I knew Ron moved here in 2018. And, you know, me and Ron were talking on the phone. He's like, I fucking love it here. And, you know, he's telling me how great Austin was and everything else was locked down. I was like, look, if I move to Austin, if no one's doing stand up again ever, at least I can hang out with Ron. Like, sure, it'll be a comic that I can hang out with and live in a place where it's like more relaxed and it's easier to get around. And sure, you don't have. You don't have to wear a mask everywhere. It was like it was at least it was more chill here. Yeah. Even if we never do stand up again. And so him doing that and just grabbing me and saying, we're going to we're going to fucking do this. Whatever the fuck we have to do. That's what he said. He was just on fire coming off stage, just on fire and just grab my shoulders. And I was like, OK, we're doing it. That's fucking great. And that's when I did it because I was we were talking about it. We should open up a club. And I looked at a bunch of different places, but they kind of sucked. And they were trying to fuck me. They were. They were asking way too much money for these places. Like during the beginning stages of the pandemic, when everyone was moving here from California, everyone got crazy with real estate. They got really nutty. Oh, it was it was batshit. They got really delusional. The prices went up like 100 percent in a lot of places. Yeah. I'm going through it now because I bought a condo here and I'm trying to sell the condo and buy a house. And it's very tricky now because the market has shifted so much and values. There's way too many condos for sale. Way too many. Way too many. I'm worried that I'm going to end up buying this house, not be able to get rid of this goddamn condo. You're going to have to keep the condo. I don't have any need for it. I'm like, I don't know what I would do with it, you know, but I also don't want to live in this condo anymore because originally. That's where you take sketchy women. Women that think they're going to do you think might rob you? Because I know you did a lot of sketchy girls. Take them to the condo. Have a house where it's like calm and peaceful. A little bit off the track. Get a little yard. You know, get some peace and quiet and take it to her car to the condo. She goes, why is there only an air mattress in here? How come you only have four pairs of underwear? It's not a bad. It's not a bad point. You make a few people in my condo. I don't want them coming to this was a mistake. Give this address away. Once you have people showing up at your house. Oh, no, it's it's. Oh, wait, you were just you were talking about. Starting the club. Oh, oh, what's so weird is it's it's it's an odd like kind of full circle moment. But when I lived here in 2000, your club was the original Alamo. Yeah. And the Alamo Draft House at that time was the only movie theater ever in the country that served food and alcohol during a movie. And I remember that being a place that I went to frequently because I thought it was so amazing that you could get food during a movie and the kinds of movies they played. I loved. And then on top of it, I was I always saw that as the reason that I loved Austin. It was sort of just it was just sort of a symbol of why I loved Austin, the concept of it all. And it's so weird now that I've moved back after all these years that that's where the mothership is. And now that's my symbol for living in Austin and being a part of this. This club and that club begetting all these other places that we get to perform in this scene and all that stuff. It's a very weird, like kind of full circle thing I didn't realize until right now as we were talking about. We need to have a birthday party for the building. The building turns 100 next year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We have to have a birthday party for the building. Yeah. Yeah. You absolutely should. Yeah. Yeah. We should do something. A lot of history in that building. A lot of cool shit. You could feel it. I felt it when when you never got to be. When it was bare bones, but when it was bare bones, when it was just the movie theater before we did all the renovations and raise the ceiling or lower the ceiling and raise the floor and changed it and made the tunnel and all the structure that we put in place. When we first got in there, like you could feel it, feel it like baked into the walls. I mean, Stevie Ray Vaughan performed there. What was it before the Alamo? It was a bunch of different things. So at one point in time, it was like a punk rock club. Wow. So like Black Flag performed there. Like who's this? Chili Peppers in 86. Chili Peppers in 86. So so that's why all of those punk flyers are in this green room. The green room is all flyers from people that performed at the club. Their shows. I didn't know that. Yeah. I thought it was just a cool like decor thing. Yeah. That's pretty cool. It's that too. But it's also look at he's got the sock over his cock. Rob Butthole right on our stage. There you go. Yeah. All those things on the wall. All those different people. Willie Nelson. All those different people perform there. That was their flyer for the show that they did when they were at the club. There's so many bands on that wall where I'm like, I love that band. I love that band. Butthole Surfers. Yeah. It's tons. So it was a punk rock band. It was a punk rock club. It was a rock and roll club. It was a pool hall for a while. It was a nudie movie theater. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. And then obviously it became the Alamo and then the Alamo went under, I think before the pandemic, it went under and then it was available, you know, like a year later. And I looked at it and I was like, it's like too much work. And then that was from what year? 74. Wow. So that's Fat Man. Yep. That's what it used to look like. Fuck, man. I mean, it looks different, obviously, but it doesn't look that different. It looks a lot. It looks a lot more narrow. Yeah. What I don't understand, like what, what happened? I wonder if it was two rooms back then. I don't know. It looks different. It looks very different in terms of the, like that looks more like it. Right. Not the same one. Oh, different one. Yeah. Um, yeah. The middle one looks like it. Oh, yeah. There's also multiple the Ritz's as I was. But the middle one looks more like it. Go back to that again. Yeah. That looks more. more like the dimensions. man we fit 250 people in the the big room but i think we could fit a lot more if we have seating like the comedy works in denver which i think is the best that's what it looked like when we first got there we first got there it looked like that and we walked in and we were like holy shit the stage was really high obviously because it was like movie theater sure and the seating was uh at an angle a very sharp angle like a movie theater and so we had to raise the the floor up um so it was flat in the center and there's just a slight raise in the back and then we kept those two balconies go back up to that picture right there those two balconies that we have obviously we have the green room balcony and then the vip balcony which is such a dope thing to have yeah because it's always always friends that come by that want to want to come by and see the show and you always have 40 seats yeah you know you could always get 40 people up there so there's always those balconies fit 40 people totally yeah holy shit that's crazy we always can stuff plenty of people back back up in there that's fucking wow i had no idea the building was as old as you just said it was yeah i had no idea all that other shit was 1927 is this still the main room or is this little boy so it's kansas city so okay sorry similarly looking but you know we we tried to figure out how to do it do we do it just like like initially we thought we thought well maybe we should do it just like this like have seating like movie theater seating and then we're like no we should probably like raise the floor up and make it flat in the front it would make more sense you know and then we had to figure out like what to do with the stage and then louis gave me some really good advice we were going to keep the ceiling the way it was and louis was like how can you lower it and i was like i think we can lower it like and still get some view out of the balcony so we had to figure out how to lower the ceiling and then we had to figure out how to lower the ceiling just enough so and it made a difference and then he said lower the ceiling in the little boy too and we did that and then we also made the stage smaller in the little boy this is all louis advice and he was dead on i was like tell me what you think i i left listen to everybody everybody had got a say in what to do you know what to have like brian simpson it was his idea to have the the lights in the green room the light that shows you someone's got the light in the big room someone's got a lot the light in the little room and then i think it was tony's idea to put the timers one or the other maybe it was tony for the lights brian for the timer i forget but everybody had a little piece of the like i think it was uh brian's idea to have monitors it's like everybody got a say in how it's done that's what it looked like when you when we first walked in now what does it look like now i never go in through the front i know go to go to what it looks like now it looks you can find an image of the mothership similar and it's been redone obviously but it looks similar enough that you can see oh yeah you can see the bones yeah yeah i mean it's essentially it was set up perfectly for two um rooms there's no pictures of the the ufo that's kind of crazy so we have a big ufo as you walk in yeah there it is that's the ufo and it has a projector so the ufo is a projector and up on the screen it projects all the people that are coming soon that's it's been amazing we've been open for three years now and it's uh been the most fun thing that i've ever been a part of it's hilarious dude i've walked under that projector a thousand times and i never realized or the ufo i mean and i never realized it was projecting shit yeah it's a projector that's so funny yeah we just wanted to wanted to make it cool and it's also i think it's a fire extinguisher i think the center of it is a fire i think we had to have one so we put it in the center of the ufo that same that same time i was talking about during south by southwest and um and when when i did kill tony the it was me and adam ray were on panel and and the next day eric invited us over to see the club and it wasn't done yet you know but he walked us in i remember him walking me through little boy and being like we're gonna do this we're gonna do this yeah and i remember he goes you're gonna play here and i go i fucking hope so i hope so um but yeah it was it was wild seeing it like you know in the construction room and i was like oh my god i'm gonna play here and i phase and and and whatever and then seeing the final product and remembering like oh I remember he told me they were gonna change that it's been really fun yeah yeah yeah I mean and you know it's it's you know it's it's I think few people are in a position to have created a club that can operate the way a club ideally should operate and you're one of those people and you made it work which is well you have to do it not to make money you have to like my goal in the beginning was just break even that was the goal like let's just break even so the idea is everybody gets paid what they're supposed to get paid particularly the comics get that's what everybody's here to see they're not there to buy drinks in an empty room they're there to see the comics so the comics should get the most money yeah that's you know what I used to always think when I'd go to other clubs I'd be like this is crazy like yeah but I would always tell comedians be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one like you don't you don't want to be right the guy that has to run these fucking yeah places and deal with these maniacs yeah come in and especially some of the nuttier ones on the road you know I could you imagine if you had to run the funny bone in Columbus Ohio fucking animals that show up just miss their flights and they're fucking they do ecstasy the night before they can't read yeah yeah it's 8:30 the headliners not there yet what he's trying to score coke yeah it's it's I I I always I always said that too as I was I would never want to be in a position where I have to deal with comics from that side of it especially comics coming up there's like most established comedians once you've been doing it a long time you have a career you're like you're reliable you know you know I'm saying like if you book you know fill in the blank yeah you know whoever it is it's like national headline they're gonna show me up yeah well also to like the the profile and and correct me if I'm wrong but the profile that you were able to bring to the club probably helped you circumvent some of the horseshit that club owners in Idaho have to deal with with agents and all that shit where it's like hey man sorry there's an improv there so we can't take our guy out of the improv or what and now you're there's a whole other battle now that you have to do well there's that if you pay people more they'll go to your place yeah that's what they have found out yeah and it pisses off the other clubs but look that's not my fault like I this is I am a comedian I I made a living doing this for a long time and I know the value of the comedian I know the value of the comic the comic should be getting most of the money yeah you know I don't deserve most of the money we can make money well we're gonna make money on 20 percent of the ticket sales and the liquor and all that jazz we'll make plenty of money right like let's not be greedy let's just make an awesome environment right and that's what we wanted to do so the goal was never to make money so most people when they start a business their goals to try to make money yeah and this was a conscious decision to just not lose money yeah just make it cool it's it's again yeah you were you were in a in a very advantageous position to make it the right way like I kind of had to do it that way because I had the resources and it's like look you're supposed to do the right thing this was this is the thing you should do but what would you like someone in with that has your kind of money to do I would like someone to make an awesome club for comics like you're you're a comic you know how important it is make make make the fucking the best creative environment welcoming everybody pump everybody up yeah that's what you should do dude it's it's it's funny because I always say if you're if and you did this as a comic right I always say with them with a movie star right somebody who's got you know real movie star bank I'm just like man why the fuck don't more these guys that have endless cash start creating film situations that they want to be a part of not I don't mean like we're gonna do the next blockbuster thing or we've got a franchise whatever it's like why don't you take 10 million bucks and make the fucking art fucking movie with all of your friends that you always wanted to make because who cares you will break even you will break even at the at the very least I never ever ever understood why more people in that position don't do it I don't get it because rock stars do it all the time rock stars start a little label yeah and they start putting on other bands that they love and they do passion projects to because they want to work with their friends I've never ever maybe not never but it's very rare that you ever see a movie star do that and I'm like why not do it for years American Psycho was the big one the Bret Easton Ellis novel why haven't they made an accurate adaptation well the studios don't want to touch it because it's too violent it's like somebody with 500 million dollars who's a movie star fucking go I'm gonna do it and I'm gonna do it the way it's supposed to be done and it's gonna work because that's what people want to see and fuck it man like I just I don't get it do you think that the uh Christian Bale version was not accurate I like the Christian Bale version a lot But it is not the book when the book is fucking dark. It's brutal. Yeah They're shitting that book. Oh, yeah, I was reading that book and I was like Bret Easton Ellis has murdered somebody There are details in here where I was like, I don't understand how you would know this like This episode is brought to you by visible Why does it feel like summer ends as soon as it begins one day? 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Joe Rogan calm is powered by Squarespace It has all the features that you need to create a standout website like an AI enhanced website builder SEO optimization tools and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links head to Squarespace dot-com slash Rogan for a free trial and when you are ready to launch use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain is one of the darkest scenes in that book is when um he goes to get rid of the body and the real estate guy sees him in in the room because they're selling the apartment yeah and so he realizes the real estate guy's already gotten rid of the body yeah and they look at each other and he just leaves yeah and you're like oh god yeah and there was by the way i was just joking about bready snells i don't think he's murdered somebody i feel like we have to say that it's very important to clarify yeah yeah i was just joking just humor um but but the thing the book did and they cut up they cut a major scene out of the movie it's the one extra scene on the on the blu-ray and i don't understand why they deleted it but there's a scene in the movie where his friend says they're at the club at the beginning and his friend goes i'm out of here and the guy climbs up like these like rafters or whatever and crawls into like a fan vent in the club and you never see him ever again and that's the part in the book that makes you go is this all in this fucking guy's head what he just described happening is nuts and this guy is now gone and nobody knows where he is and i'm like is it that's such a key scene and they cut it out of the movie and so whatever they're remaking it now again oh they are yeah who's gonna be uh american psycho i i think maybe adam driver is connected to it i think maybe he'd be good at that um he's got a lot of psycho behind his eyes but the shards is the new brett aston ellis adaptation on on fox what is it it's his last novel and it's a it's uh it's a it's a fictional autobiography where he the main character is him as a teenager and there's a serial killer loose and all these murderers are happening they're targeting teenagers these brutal fucking murders and there's a cult happening that's reminiscent of the manson cult and then he's also coming of age and realizing he's gay and like as he's trying to deal with the fact that this murder thing is happening and he thinks he knows who it is and it's a wild story but they're and he's he co-created it with ryan murphy the tv show the adaptation it's really fucking good so far really so it's a period piece yeah it takes place in like 83 or 84 you know i could tell the ferrari yeah old ferrari oh wow but it's one of the adaptations where i was like i feel like they're really capturing a lot of what's actually in the book because less than zero is a cool movie but it's not the book rules of attraction is a great movie and that's he said that was the closest thing he that anybody had gotten to the books are it's one of his books american psycho would be very hard to capture the darkness of it because you also are capturing this guy's internal dialogue you know what's which is some of it yeah it's dark so what would you do would you have a guy narrate the internal dialogue you're missing something well they did that with bail he he narrates the entire thing i know but you're missing something there it's very funny you you how do you mean because i i think instead of hearing it when you're reading the internal dialogue you you understand that there's no you don't hear the voices right you know i mean like this guy's got some fucking creepy shit going on in his head i mean yeah he's a fucking sociopath yeah psychopathic murderer yeah it's like you get into his head in this way that i don't think you ever do in a movie like you're in his head when you're reading it because you're imagining it all happening in his head you're imagining how he's viewing like the real estate scene like he's locking eyes this real estate guy there's this a creepiness to it that it's like he plays the best scene acting wise in my opinion in in that movie is when when they're comparing uh the business cards and they're like they're like one-upping each other look at mine man it's bone white and whatever and christian bale starts sweating and he gets like hoarse and he's like it's fair it's nice it's nice because it's this fucking pissing contest who has the best business card and he's so upset that he doesn't have the best business card yeah that he wants to kill that guy yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly i'm listening to this podcast about luigi the the guy who murdered the uh health care executive it's a very very interesting uh podcast um you know it details how they caught him the whole deal but one of the things they brought up was one of the first things they thought of after that guy got assassinated was it was probably somebody he worked with really yeah they they had to find out whether or not someone had some sort of a grudge someone got recently fired when you know because when people get murdered like that you oftentimes think it could be a murder or something like that a co-worker i i have a core former co-worker i have a question for you about luigi i'm glad you brought it up i'm so sorry i have to pee really bad uh why don't you go pee really bad i'm gonna pee really fast i'll be fair question question about luigi my fucking manager does it it's everybody does it it's really fucking annoying sorry joe is it more annoying than boiling your own coffee no not no nothing's more annoying than that the um turning on the stove filling the pot when does it end when does it end what were we luigi luigi yeah this is what i wanted to ask you because jamie has a theory well there were all the okay not publicly there were all the people you know that luigi sparked that whole debate about justified violence or whatever which i thought was bullshit um but everybody that was rah-rah-ing luigi going he's a hero and how many people is this and i'm like oh my god i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna do that i'm a health care guy killed and all that bullshit i wonder now what everybody's saying about the fact that luigi is doing the insanity plea and it's like well he didn't really stick to his fucking i mean if that was his thing and he was going to be the big crusader for him he's just playing the legal system i mean that's the smart move play the insanity well it's the smart move if you're also might be accurate but also is it the smart room if you're trying to i know it's the smart move i'm saying if you're going to go out there and go i did this because it was justice and whatever and then go oh wait actually next i was a little crazy but here's the point if you did shoot a man who had nothing to do with you because you thought it was justice because he was a health care executive i don't know how he picked that guy i don't know the details of what that guy has done he was was he particularly bad he was killed i think he was a ceo no he was he was it was it was definitely targeted that this man is this man is responsible for decisions made was he the ceo jamie of united health care is that what he was so um if you think that you should go murder somebody like that that you should you're probably mentally ill if you think that that that kind of violence is justified the problem that a lot of young people are having right now and a lot of people that agree with you know what luigi did and they celebrated it is because everyone knows that the system is rigged and no one is doing anything to change it and this is what drives people fucking crazy if you get health insurance and their whole business model is to deny as many claims as possible even if they know that your claims are justified because they want to make money so they're really in the making money business and they're pretending they're in the we're going to take care of you and give you insurance business yes so they're not really in that business yes they're in the business of making the most amount of money if they can fuck 10 of the people over or 20 of the people over that's 20 more money and that's how they look at it and that drives everyone nuts and rightly so and if they don't fucking correct that people don't have a whole lot of options i agree as to how to lash out and how to get back and especially if like let's say it's your wife let's say your wife gets injured or or gets a disease or something and they can treat her and they deny the claim or maybe she needs a surgery some crazy surgery and they deny the claim and it bankrupts you and she dies you want to murder somebody and it makes sense because you're paying for this fucking insurance all this time thinking that you're insured if something goes wrong that's the whole reason why you give them money you don't give them money for freebies it's not it's not for no reason it's not because you you like them you want united healthcare to have a yacht yeah no you give them the money because it's supposed to be an agreement i agree with that completely i have no beef with the concept behind his his motivations for hatred of of a health care system healthcare ceo i have no problem with that my question is is it is it does it take away from does it take away from the people that were rah-rah-ing him for him to now go oh it's just crazy sorry i don't think it does do you know what i mean i don't think it does no it's trying to not go to jail and a lot of those people think you shouldn't go to jail that's interesting i think you should go to jail i don't think you should be able to be walking up to people on the fucking street and murdering them right but i can understand where your anger comes from sure i get it i really do and and there's a there's a thing about capitalism right there's a thing about corporations in particular that are you're you're beholden to your shareholders you have to make more money every quarter that alone that motivational loan it motivates sociopathic behavior the people that are going to be the most successful are the ones who are going to be the most ruthless and they're going to squeeze the most money possible without without crushing the company's reputation and that's their goal and in the healthcare market the problem is like what are your options there's no one amazing option where they always take care of everybody and they're real it's ethical capitalism they're just trying to look we make plenty of money giving people real insurance and really taking care of them and really paying for and so let's make less money but let's make everybody healthier nobody does that no nobody so your options if you have to get insurance are very limited you're just giving money to psychos so which psycho gets my money which psycho that doesn't give a about me or my family or anybody i love if they get hurt or sick every year every year that i don't do a writing gig on a tv show which is not every year i don't do it frequently i do it sometimes but every year i don't do a writing gig on a tv show or i don't act enough to clear sag insurance i have to make a decision is this worth 600 a month for health insurance is it i don't know i don't know that it is especially now with just imagine how angry you would be if you paid all that money right then you broke your ankle or something like that they denied you yeah you're like what yeah and this is why people cheer about this luigi guy there are a ton of stories of people who had treatable illnesses and they were denied coverage they had surgeries that could have been done to save them they were denied coverage there's a ton of stories like that it's a dirty game it's a dirty game and it's not it's not the game they're pretending it is they're pretending the game is we're going to help care of take care of you you're going to have a safety net so you pay a little bit of money and hopefully nothing happens you never need us and that's our gamble our gamble is if you do need us you're going to get more value out of it than you put into it yeah and they don't want that health insurance has become like the uh the protection plan at best buy when you buy a tv you want the two-year protection plan in case anything no i don't fucking know because no well some places have a good protection plan though they just give you a new tv health care is not even that it's not even that it's worse it's worse than best buy i don't know why you just went well some places have a good protection plan they do some places you bring them the computer they give you a brand new one this thing sucks it broke yeah hold on i file out this fill out this form we'll go get you get another one every time i've tried to utilize it i bring it in they go oh well actually oh really yeah this doesn't yeah the screen's cracked that's not really part of it you probably broke it the fuck you probably did something stupid they make it do it's probably your fault they make it i probably throw it across the room in a fit of rage because i had to boil water in the morning uh but you know it's it's um it's it's it's a dire you know when when when the nemo smart when the nemo marcus gang thing was happening where these kids were running into nemo marcus and stealing shit which again i don't think is is an okay thing to do but you know like my mom i remember was being like can you believe these kids are i go mom they just told an entire generation of kids they'll never own land right they're fucking hopeless yeah they're hopeless like what do you what where does your head even go where's your i have a in my act i have a line it's it's not even a joke i just go where the gen z and they clap and i go you'll never own land and it gets a huge laugh because it's so true isn't that crazy and it's like it's fucked up and then they hear that private equity companies are buying up houses so they could lease them out and so they'll own all the houses like fucking what and the parking lots yeah they're buying up all the fucking parking lots you can't park anywhere for free or for cheap you know it's fucking crazy man it's we we are living in a rent to live culture anymore well it's really just about it's again what we were talking about about maximizing the amount of money you could squeeze out of people and that's their business and it doesn't have to be like that but it does have to be like that if you're public it's almost like we're better off with a bunch of private corporations and if you're private you could do whatever you want like there's private court like look you could decide i'm gonna do you know i'm gonna give x amount of my profits to this i'm gonna give the y to that i'm gonna i'm gonna do whatever i want because it's my money i'm gonna do whatever i want because it's my money i'm gonna do whatever i want but as soon as you have shareholders as soon as you you take that ipo money yes oh baby that's a big windfall though you got all this money all this stock all this capital has been invested in your business your business is going to grow and the business does grow so do your fucking problems yes they've ruined shareholders have ruined i'm not saying shareholders inherently are evil but the board of directors and shareholders and all that shit they have ruined everything they've ruined everything it's like everybody goes why the last three star wars movies have ruined everything they've ruined everything they've ruined everything they've ruined everything kathleen kennedy came out and said we were met with demands by the shareholders to rush the fucking sequels out and we couldn't make the movies we wanted to make so that's that's how imagine if they did that at jim cameron you can't do that fucking rush that guy imagine you rushed avatar fuck you fuck you that movie takes that forever to make that's why it's awesome this there's certain things that you can't do just for money and health care should be one of them it should be one of them well you know what and i don't say this uh to ball wash you in any way but you just said it 10 minutes ago about the club and for all the criticisms that people can level at you whatever the fuck they want to say whatever it's like hey man here's a guy i know that has a lot of money that started something that helps other people in the industry he works in and said i'm not worried about making money i'm worried about breaking even and i want the people that i'm working at my club to benefit you actually did it you actually did the thing that we're complaining that other people don't do you actually did the thing where you said i am not going to try to turn massive profits off of this club what i'm going to try to do is create an environment where people can make what they deserve to make that's fucking pretty awesome and pretty crazy well the thing is anybody can do that that's successful already yeah you could all you could all choose to do that you could all choose to run a business that way and a lot of people do i'm not unique in that way there's a lot of like really ethical like moral happy people sure and you make a happier environment too that's the other thing like the environment the club is very happy everybody gets paid really well everybody's making money the waitresses waiters are all making money everybody's happy yeah that's beautiful you go to a place where people are happy to be there that's that's what you want you don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and everybody is in hell and that's a lot of people that work in corporations and that's what you want you don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and that's what you want you don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and that's what you want you don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and that's what you want you don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and that's what you want you don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and you're working way more hours than you should you never see your kids you're constantly fucking stressed out your cortisol is through the roof you're about to have a fucking heart attack but you bought a house in the hamptons yeah look at that i got a fifteen million dollar house overlooking the bay how about that right you fucking win i got the new ferrari you want to see it yeah and meanwhile you're dying yeah right but that's that's the environment of just chasing money i think you can make plenty of money i mean obviously i'm not i'm in an unusual situation but i think most business owners that do well once you're doing well what is enough like it's make it just make it better for everybody what's enough what's enough money what's enough you know if you're running a corporation is it really good to cut back on the ingredients and fuck people over i was seeing this thing about powdered sugar some guy went to a grocery store he took all these bags of two pound bags of powdered sugar and he weighed them they're like 1.3 pounds 1.2 pounds 1.2 two, seven. They're just fucking you. You telling me that's not on purpose. Your machines are so off that it doesn't know what two pounds are. But this is this mentality of just squeeze the most, squeeze the most. I don't think you have to do that. I think if your business is successful, just it should be like, you're good. You're good. Let's keep the ball rolling. Don't try to just keep making the most money possible every quarter. And that's what they do in corporations because they have to. If you don't, you're a bad CEO. You'll get kicked out. Like, hey, good news, guys. We made the same amount of money this month as we did last month. Like what? This guy sucks. This guy fucking sucks. Where's my return? We're going to vote him out. And then you get a board meeting together and people complain and you have to do that. That's their job. Yeah. Ideally what should happen is, you say, hey guys, we made more money this month than we did last month. But the reason we made more money is because we made a better product that brought in even more customers and it was beneficial to everybody. Right. And it's not that. It's not we squeezed the same amount of customers out of more money. Yeah. Yeah. It's the fucking potato chip thing. Well, it's the other thing, you know, this avocado oil scandal that's going on right now. So all these people that are buying things made with avocado oil, they think, oh, this is going to be super healthy. Turns out a lot of these corporations are fucking you over and they're using seed oils and fucking safflower oil and rapeseed oil, all these different oils. And they're pretending that it's. Yeah. Coconut or it's avocado oil. I watched a thing about food where they talked about, by the way, what I meant by the potato chip thing was when you we were just talking about this in the lobby before we started recording. When you buy a bag of potato chips now and it's all air. And of course, the excuse is, well, no, that's so it protects your chips and just get the fuck out of here. Fuck off. Give my chips. Yeah. Don't crush the chips, you fucking idiot. Yeah. Maybe pack the chips and ship them properly. No, no, we can't do that. Have you ever had those Vandy chips? No. What's Vandy? Oh, they're chips made with beef tallow. Okay. They're just cooked in beef tallow. It's just beef tallow and salt and potato chips. They're the best potato chips you've ever eaten in your fucking life. Where do you get them? You can buy them online. I buy them online. Yeah. A lot of these are so legit, dude. If I want potato chips. Oh, they're so good. And you don't overeat them. It's crazy. Like when it's real food, you eat enough. Yeah. You know, especially they're like soaked in beef tallow. They're so rich and fat. Yeah. It's actually probably good for you. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the thing. Most of these quality food products that we want to buy and enjoy now, you have to buy them online. You can't buy them online. You can't get them in fucking stores. You can get them in some stores, but the problem is they get bought out. You know, so say a company comes along and you're making something that has like really healthy ingredients and people really get into it. And then Pepsi buys you. Exactly. Some some fucking Kellogg's buys you and they turn it into something that's just close enough. They change the ingredients, make it cheaper. Did that happen with is it Rouse, R-A-O's, Pasta Sauce, R-A-O's? R-A-O's. Yeah. Yeah. R-A-O's got bought by, I think like whoever makes ragu or whatever, Nabisco or some shit. R-A-O's made a great talk. Is it still legit or is it they fuck with the ingredients now? I don't, I never thought there was any jarred sauce that was awesome. Like, you know, they always have Steve Sharippa's when he had his. No. You know, Steve Sharippa from The Sopranos. Do you know Steve? Did you ever work for him? No. I worked for him when he was the booker at the Riviera in Vegas. I remember that. Before he got on The Sopranos, before he ever did any acting. That's hilarious. Yeah. I was friends with him a long fucking time ago. He's the best. I love that guy. He is the best. So he had an amazing sauce. It was, I forget the name of it, but it was all organic and it was, you know, like really super top shelf ingredients. Okay. It was fucking delicious. Okay. Such a good sauce, but it was too much of a pain in the ass for him to keep the business rolling and he got rid of it. And I'm like, God damn, dude, that's, that sucks. So I think he had a problem keeping up with demand too, because it was like, he came on the podcast and talked about it and then he eventually just bailed on the business. Look, man, it's one of the reasons I left my sandwich shop was because I felt like operating in New York was too hard of a thing and we had to keep the four years, five years, whatever that I did it, we had to keep kind of upping prices and, and whatever. And it wasn't, it was not out of greed. It was out of, there is no way that we stand a chance to turn a profit unless you keep up with what the demand and the economy of New York city is. And I just got to a point where I was like, you know, man, it's just not what I thought it could be. You wanted it to be fun. You want it just to be fun. Yeah. And it, and that was it. And it was, I wish them well, but, uh, they're still going, but, um, it was, it just, for me, I was like, I just can't like, this isn't, you know, so that what happens is with a lot of these, um, companies that get bought up, it's this Steve Sharipa thing where it's like, Hey man, I'd love to keep doing this at the quality I'm doing it. And at the, at the, you know, the tick that, which we're moving at or whatever. And then somebody comes along like Pepsi and goes, we'll, we'll buy out for 50 million. And you probably go, you know what? My ship just came in, take the fucking, I don't know. You know, I can't, you know, so I don't blame people for selling to us. I don't blame people. So I don't blame people for selling to a big corporation. It's kind of the position you're left in, you know, this mom and pop thing is, is going away. Uh, you know, Well, COVID put a big dent in that. Oh, destroyed it, destroyed it, destroyed it in terms of like small restaurants. I know so many of them that went under in LA. I think at one point in time, LA lost 70% of its restaurants. It's that it's the, the, the meat monopoly thing is, is brutal. You know, what, like what happened with prices of meats and because they saw like, oh, actually we can say that there's a demand and, and low, uh, low product availability and all this, and just charge everybody this much more. But there also is a demand and there also is low product. I mean, there's also the reality of the marketplace. Yeah. Well that, what I think it is, is there's the reality of the problem. And then, and some people are affected by that very genuinely, but then there's a lot of people that go, this is a chance for us to capitalize. Yeah. And squeeze. Squeeze. And that sucks. Yeah. That sucks. Yep. That's the thing. And you know, once you escape the world of need and you're in a world of decisions based on what you enjoy doing, then you could choose to do a business where you do it however you want to do it and don't worry about it. Right. You know, because you're not doing it for money. You're doing it because it's a cool thing. Right. And ideally that's what we would all like to do. Yeah. Ideally. It's not, obviously it's difficult to achieve. Yeah. But if you can get there, that's the way to do it. It's just that everybody has this thing about chasing the fucking, whatever number it is, whether it's number in your bank account or the address that you're living in or the car that you're driving. Everyone's always chasing the new thing. This is a new thing to justify why you're pumping all of your energy into a business, you know? Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's the unfortunate, uh, other side of, of capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism can be good, but- Yeah, this is, this is why it's, capitalism's fucking great. It's way better than everything else. Well, that, that is- It's just- That I agree with, but we're just talking about- The problem is, yeah, it's got flaws. Yeah. And it's, the flaws are human nature. That's the flaws. Is there a way, do you think, is there a way to have the free market with capitalism but actually have some sort of regulation so these problems that we're talking about can occur? Or is it just you have to take the good with the bad and that's all there is to it? I mean, there should be, definitely be regulations without a doubt. Uh, but I think too much regulations, then you stifle business and that's what California has. Mm-hmm. If over, over-regulated, because the government is just too huge of a business there. I think at one point in time, California, during the pandemic, they lost a bunch of people, like a bunch of people moved out, but they doubled the size of government. They just keep adding more government and more, like, that's where they create jobs. They create jobs through government and just keep adding, adding programs, adding government, and then you just keep siphoning off tax money and then it's a slush fund and, and there's a whole economy based on it and those people are the people that are in charge of running the city and they don't want to let it go. Right. Because that's how everybody's getting paid. Yeah. And nothing's getting done and the fucking homeless crisis never gets any better and the streets never get clean, the schools never get fucking funded correctly, but yet they keep growing their fucking business, the business of being a fucking person in government. Yeah, it's, I, I, one of the things I learned when I worked for the, because when I lived in 2000, I worked for the Senate, uh, during the legislative session, it was the 76th legislative session. I think I was a media reporter for the, for the Senate media department. But one of the things I learned was how low a Senator's salary is versus what they actually make in a year because of donations and whatever the fuck else. And I was like, of course these people don't want to ever step down from the seat. This is a fucking, this is a, this is a fucking joy ride right now. Yeah. And once you're in that position, now you got a problem because now it's like, well, who's actually in there to do something versus who's in there to keep the job. And if you to keep the job keep the constituents happy well how do you do that well then you start compromising things and cater and you learn how to be a good bullshit artist oh yeah you learn how to say the things they want you to say that's why people support ridiculous positions because they fucking lick their finger and find out which way the wind's blowing and that's the way my constituents want so that's how i feel yep you know i think god's non-binary like whatever they just start talking yeah they start saying things you're like what why are you saying this this makes no sense they're saying it because they think it's gonna help them and get them to win kooky stuff man yeah man and nobody wants the job that's the other thing when nobody no really successful person who would really be good at it wants the job it's too much work it's it's a hassle you're also dealing with insane corruption once you get in there try untangling all the fucking webs that have been spun for decades where they've been moving money to this and moving money to that and you're like oh my god i'm not gonna be able to do this i'm not gonna be able to do this and you're like oh my god i'm not gonna be able to do this and you gotta pay a little of this and you gotta pay a little of that yeah did you ever see uh charlie wilson's war tom hanks movie no it's great you'd love it mike nichols directed it char uh tom hanks and philip seymour hoffman it's my favorite philip seymour hoffman really performance ever it's a fucking awesome movie uh but it's about how when uh we were sending arms and funding the afghanis when russia was attacking afghanistan and he's in there he's like these people are getting fucking taken over the russians are coming in blah blah blah and he does all this good thing he gets all this funding to them he helps them there's the the afghani starts shooting the russian copters out of the fucking air and all this shit and he's like this is great and then all of a sudden the powers that be are like we're cutting the funding and he's like what are you talking about we just help these people liberate themselves we can't cut the funding now we have to rebuild and they're like yeah we're not rebuilding they're we're not spending any more money in this and the end of the movie is philip seymour hoffman telling tom hanks that he doesn't say the name but he says the fucking loonies are in the hen house he's talking about ben laden it's now taking over afghanistan and this is going to go real fucking sideways on us and it's just such a great encapsulation of that's how it works that's how it works you do a good thing and then all of a sudden it creates an even bigger fucking problem than they've ever anticipated because of funding it's a it's you also why were they doing in the first place why the fuck are they funding the mujahideen and that's how ben laden turned against us right that's what what it was all about he realized how dirty our fucking politics are and what we're doing we're doing regime change in other countries and proxy wars and all all the insane shit that we've been involved with forever it's fucked up the way it's portrayed the way it's portrayed in the movie is the russians are attacking these people it's going to be this genocide it's blah blah blah blah that's how it's framed in the movie in real life you know i know there's always multiple sides both sides i mean there's probably a lot to that too but it's it's just one of those things where i brought it up because you said who would ever want this job and i watched that movie and thought that i was like who would want the fucking job of this guy right that he thinks he's doing the right thing and then it just blows up in their face you just hope that good people come along and want the job that's what you hope but for the most part they're swimming in a sea of egos right yeah well the question is is that is is if a good person does come along can they stay can they stay pure or is the system just built in a way where it's like now there's no way to do this you know it's i was equated to the hollywood thing it's like it's like in my opinion there's no way to become or it's a very hard thing to become a massive movie star and maintain your morality and your ethics and whatever you're you're playing in a system where you're playing in a system where you're playing in a system where you're playing in a system that is so fucking foul and so dirty and whatever that's why we're like it's so rare to meet a woody harrelson or something like that who's a genuine person and nine out of ten of those guys they don't fucking live there they're out they go somewhere else and they dip in they do it they get the fuck out again um so i always wonder like is there we always say like if only a decent man would come along and lead us or or or take this seat in this office where is it possible to even remain pure at that point i don't know or is it just hey this is how it works this is all there is to it and you either play this game or you will be phased out and that's it you know well the hollywood game is interesting because you have to have the same political opinions of them yeah if you don't any variation whatsoever if you're like hey maybe we shouldn't take this weird experimental vaccine you're cast out of the kingdom like you have to be full compliance full compliance to whatever that they have because they're completely in control they get to choose whether or not you work the beautiful thing about comedy um is and music is another version of that but less so i think is that you just make what you make and if people like it they come see you real simple real simple you get a chance everybody gets a chance everybody gets a chance to open mic nights everybody gets a chance if someone says hey joe you're really funny we you want to open for me on the road also oh my god i'm on the road yeah everybody gets a chance to do open mic nights everybody gets a chance yeah and the thing about the movie business is it's not that way like you could be a really talented actor and you never get cast in something you know maybe they don't align with the way you think maybe you didn't kiss their ass enough when you went in for the audition maybe you don't have a good agent whatever it is right you might not ever work yeah i there's there's a great um oh what is it called it's the documentary i think it's just called frank it's the documentary about frank stallone sylvester stallone's brother oh and frank stallone is an immensely talented guy and he sort of got reduced to he does stuff he works and he seems like a happy guy but there was a big part of frank stallone where he kind of got reduced to the punch line of like sly's brother yeah exactly but you know that was charlie murphy i was just to say that about eddie they talk in the documentary about frank stallone they go everybody's like how did this guy not become bigger he's so fucking talented he was a musician he's a great actor he's this he's that and they say in the middle they go dude it doesn't just happen you have to have a team of people operating around you that make it fucking happen it's not just dumb luck it's not just oh he's good if you don't have the people strategically let's put it that buying you through the system right it doesn't fucking happen it just doesn't happen it's like look at when people get nominated that the process of getting nominated for an emmy it's like you you get the consideration vote and then i would see it when i was living in la and then people would do these pr campaigns just based on the consideration oh yeah those billboards for your consideration yeah you'd see them everywhere then you get nominated and then that's a whole other thing that's why i thought it was such bullshit when um and i'm a big fan i'm not knocking the guy but like when the the whole thing happened with like brend the year that brendan fraser won for the way wale was the same year the kid that played short round one for everything everywhere all at once do you remember that year at the oscars and they both it was like it's the year of the comebacks at the oscars and they're up there going i thought i was done and here i am it's like you fucking had a campaign like this costs millions of dollars to get you here this is not some underdog story this is this was this was orchestrated that's how it works it's crazy it's crazy nobody's like oh yeah i was driving a cab then all of a sudden i got nominated i won that's how it fucking works that's bad shit yeah well it's a bad shit business it's it's it's it's the worst and best business of all time it's the best that we it gets us to get to do what we want to do sorry but it doesn't stand up as a better now it's like stand up and podcast is such an easier pathway yeah than that that was the old pathway you had to be a part of that i was i was talking to tony about it after msg we're at the after party and he you know tony it i love this is what one of the things i love about it he gets you have a few drinks and it's a real love fest he's like but he's like buddy we're doing it man we're doing it they told us no and we're fucking doing it and i go tony here's what's wild i go the mainstream of entertainment could become the for lack of a better term wokest whatever that whole thing could come back of pc culture and whatever and they could tell any one of us or all of us you guys are out there's no way you're gonna get anything on streamers or anything anymore and we'd all still be fine because we all said we found another lane so fuck it it doesn't matter it's a bigger lane too way bigger it's way bigger way bigger yeah because it's authentic yeah it's real and it's not curated yeah it's real it's simple people that's what people want if hollywood could send a missile to destroy youtube they would meanwhile it's come up with some of the fucking greatest talents like that guy who made obsession came straight out of youtube yeah dude i gotta wrap this up oh okay uh your special speaking of which yeah joda rosa i never promised you a rose garden available right now on netflix on netflix uh where'd you film it we shot this in phoenixville pennsylvania it was on my youtube channel and it was on my youtube channel and it was on my youtube channel and it was on YouTube, Netflix scooped it up. It's still on my YouTube, but please. go watch it on Netflix and, and, uh, I hope you all enjoy it. And then, and then my, my podcast violent horrendous is, is now out YMH network and at Joe DeRosa comedy on a YouTube, uh, is where you can find it. So please listen. And I hope you watch the special and enjoy it. Thank you for having me. My pleasure, brother. I love you. Love you. Bye. Bye everybody. Bye.