#2520 - Tommy Lee

[MUSIC] >> The Joe, Rogan, experience. [MUSIC] >> Thanks for the heads up, so I'm not tripping later on. >> Hey dude, good to see you, man. >> Yeah, good to see you too. >> What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth, is that what's going on? >> Yeah, there's guys. >> Yeah, nice, that's fun. My friend, Cam, just got a gold tooth. And that was giving him a hard time, but then I was like, damn, I said, I won't one. >> Yeah, yeah, you got to get one, dude. >> I'm thinking he got a gold tooth. >> I have a car. >> I had a root canal, I've got a cap out of one of my things, I'm going to swap it out for a gold tooth. >> Do it, fuck it, fuck it. >> Yeah, yeah, I got one of them back here somewhere. It's just that little like, I don't know, that little pirate thing starts to happen. >> I know, it's just a little outcasty. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> So what's cracking, brother, how you doing? >> I'm good, man. >> I'm stoked to be here, so you stoked to have here. >> Yeah, man, shit, I wish I was staying longer now, but we'll make the best of. >> How long you staying, how long are you in town for? >> I'm leaving after, right after this? >> After you, yeah. >> Way ahead, back home, L.A., my son is getting married. >> Oh, congratulations. >> Thanks, thanks, which is such a trip, dude. He's 29, and he's getting married, and I've been kind of tripping out on that, like, dude, where the fuck did that time A go? >> Right. >> And I'm so fucking happy for him that he's been seeing the school for seven years. I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. >> You know what I mean? >> Right, he knows, and they've been, basically, they've been married, you know, and they're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for him, like, I tell him all the time, like, so happy for you, dude, like, you know, you use some patience and some love and, like, mix it all around, and put some time in there, and you know, shit's, like, your survival rate is going to be way better, and that makes me really happy. >> And your happiness, right? I think if you're a kid, and your dad is Tommy Lee, and you leave a fucking crazy chaotic life, it's probably like, slow down. Give me a fucking yard and a big offense, and whoa! >> Totally, totally. That's why, like, you know, in the drift of everything, I'm really surprised, and I'm really happy. He just, like, pumped the brakes. >> That's awesome. >> Like, make sure that what he's doing is the real shit. Yeah, I mean, especially in LA, with a rock star dad, it's like, there's so many bad influences. There's so many ways you could go, where you could just ruin your fucking life. It's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles. >> Dude. >> So easy. >> All right. Because everybody else is doing it too. You're like, hey, I guess we're doing math. >> I know, fuck. >> I'm fucking just, I mean, I know people that are good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole, and they're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason. And then next thing, you know, they're all strung out. And it's like, LA is the hub of that. >> Yeah. >> There's so much of that going on in LA. >> Yeah. And if you have any sort of that sort of shit magnet attached to you, like, you know, the shady friends and the weird-- >> Well, most people do. >> The weird circles you just connect to, and all of a sudden, you're just fucking-- >> Oh, I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to crazy people. Like that world. That is the world where if you're a fucking cook, like you gravitate towards that world, you know? It's probably so hard to find like sane, balanced people. >> Yeah. >> You know? >> Yeah. >> They have to shit together. It's like, it's almost impossible. So like, you're just comparing yourself to the other chaotic people you're around. And you're the fucking drummer and Motley Crew. I mean, obviously, it's supposed to be normal. What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time. You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally a sea of human beings singing along to your music. That's nobody can understand that. >> Oh, no, man. Yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. Like, I put them to work out on tour. You know, just so, you know, we could hang out and spend time. They're like, you know, get them a radio. All of a sudden, they're part, one of my sons is part of the lighting crew. Helping those guys. My other son is like, all he's worth, all he wants to know about is like, Dad, I want to be in charge of all the after show passes. I'll go out while you're playing and I'm going to hit all the chicks. And like, my son is out there just stack of passes. Come on back afterwards. Come on back. You know, and then watching him like have just just running it, right? It just like brings the tear to my eye, man. >> Oh, that's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, like, how much of a dream does it feel? I mean, it's got to feel very bizarre that you, you know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and then you look back on it, like, how fucking surreal does it all feel? >> It's, dude, I pinch myself still daily, literally. And then I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here. I'm lucky I get to do this. I always say to people like, there's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing, there's some luck, some talent, some timing of things. And when those things kind of all line up and it happens for you, and it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where, like, a lot of it's a fucking blur. Like, a ton of it's a blur where you have to have somebody else like, remind you you're like, oh, shit, that's right. I totally forgot we did that. >> You know, like, about crazy times. >> Yeah, yeah, it's a trip, dude. I spend a lot of time, like, hanging on. Right, well, fuck, here we go. Did you get a chance, like, when you were coming up to talk to any other rock stars, did anybody give you advice on how to handle things? Like, what, it's, how weird it's going to be? >> No, I'm trying to think of any sort of a mentor kind of dude on, like, how to survive the shit. Like, no, pull Keith Richards aside and say, hey, man, how about a few tips? I should do this. He's still here. >> Bro, I saw them at Coda, at the circuit of the Americas a couple of years back. >> Yeah. >> They were fucking incredible, man. Incredible. >> Insane. >> They're like, what is, how old is Keith? >> Dude, dude. >> Are they like 80? >> He's gotta be. >> Mick is like 80, bro. Mick is moving around and dancing and singing. >> Insane. >> Insane. >> Dude, and let me tell you a fun, quick little story here. Molly Crew gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween. I forget what fucking year. With some stadium, and I think it was Toronto. We got to open for them. And we were so fucking pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me? We get the fucking do this. Anyway, we play our show back in the dressing room. After we're done, the Stones Tour Manager comes into the dressing room and goes, Tommy, I was like, yeah, it goes, he goes, Mick Brony, Keith, would like to see you. And I was like, Brad, I fucking head over there. And dude, this is 20 minutes before they're to go on. I go into their their world and they got they bring a bartender around with them. So there's a guy set up just sling and fucking drinks. Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie. Dude, they were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty like, hey, fucking ride, just falling over with their guitars. 20 minutes for they go on stage. I'm like, how are these guys gonna fucking, there's no way they're playing. I'm sorry. There's no way, no fucking way. And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos and it was like, let's go to the stage and I'm like, oh, I gotta see this, I'm walking with them, right? They get up there, fucking lights go out. Boom, they fucking, I think they started with start me up. And it was like a switch flipped. All of a sudden, those guys were fucking money. Like 100% fucking rocking out. I was like, how did they just go? They've been doing it for so long that they just, they're masters of the controls. They're like, yeah, okay, I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go. Like, it's okay. I think some guys just, that was a crazy level. Like, I was just, I saw that. You could barely talk. and then they went up there and fucking ripped it. And we just saw that. - Some guys just want to be fucked up to just feel the experience, just to just ride it like a wild bull, you know? - Yeah. - Just wherever you go. - That's where some guys like to do it. I mean, I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down where a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play, you know? You wanna see something fucking inspirational? I'm gonna show you something crazy. - Always. - This is, have you seen Jamie, have you seen Rick Springfield lately? - I did just see him and I was like, whoa. - I'm gonna send you a video and it's gonna blow you away. This is literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield. - If you fucking like. - He's 76 years old, okay? 76. - 76. - 76. And he's singing Jesse's girl like he just wrote it. - Is this video right here? - And he's fucked up. - Yeah, put the headphones on. Put the headphones on and back this up from the beginning. - I can't get the play. - Whoa, he's so good. - Well, I just sent it to you on Instagram. - He's rich. - I just can't get the couldn't. - Click on the other link then. The one that I send you on Instagram. Because you can't, first of all, he looks fucking incredible. Like he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't even understand it. He looks like a 30-year-old guy. - Yeah. - And he's singing the song like he just wrote it. (audience cheering) - Bro, 76. (audience cheering) (upbeat music) (audience cheering) ♪ You don't feel so dirty when they start talking to you ♪ ♪ I don't tell her that I love her ♪ ♪ But the point is probably who ♪ (audience cheering) ♪ She's loving that body ♪ - Yeah, dude. That's crazy. - Fuck. (upbeat music) - Amazing, man. - Amazing. - That's fucking inspirational, like. - Inspiration, bro. - 76 years old. And passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's like just going out there and going through the motions. He's singing that song like he just wrote it. - Yeah, totally. - Fuck yeah, Rickspring feels. - Yeah, good job, bro. - Fuck yeah. - That's amazing. - Yeah. - You send that to everybody, I'm like, fuck yeah. - That is, I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa. - A lot of people in their 76 are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on. Fucking crushing life. - Dude, I love it. I love it. That's gonna be me. - Still 10 years old. - Fuck yeah. - Oh yeah. - Rockin' shit. - Well, I remember in the 80s, there were no old rock stars. Like, no one was out there touring that was an old rock star. - You're right. - And then the Stones released a new album. I think it was like 88 or 89. And everybody's like, wow, they're gonna tour again. It was almost like, aren't they done with this? Like they're older now. And then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while. And now it's not, and people like, why are we retiring? Like why would I stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do? - Yeah, that you love to do. - Yeah. - It was like a thing with hip art, hip hop artists too. They would get to an older age and people just didn't appreciate them anymore. It's like it was like a young guy's game. But now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too. And people were like, oh, these guys are fucking dope. Like I saw a run DMC went on, or excuse me, public enemy went on with, I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes, they're killing it. They're still getting after it. - That's the best, man. You gotta love that. And I think that research, I don't know, you call it a resurgence, or just that style of like, there's certain things that were really great that have stood the test of time. And I really think that the way shit is now, man, there is too fucking much. Like there's too much music. Like Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day, really? Who the fuck is listening to all this music, dude? I'm in the business, and if I can't keep up, how can a fan of music keep up? So I just, I think that the excess of, it's just static, and it's really blown a hole through for, you know, original stuff, you know, really good stuff, because a lot of this stuff is all kind of sounding the same now. But I just, I think that it's been a cool progression that sort of fueled that. I don't know if I'm making sense, I'm kind of kidding. - No, you're making sense. - You know what I'm trying to say? There's so much static now that sort of the. - Something has to be undeniable to break through. - The authentic stuff. - Yeah. - Still fucking holds water a big time. And, you know, well, there's always like one song that all the sudden resonates and just goes super viral 'cause people listen to it like a holy shit. - Yeah. - There's always gonna be something that's exceptional. But I do agree, it's impossible. There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about. And then someone turns me on to it. And I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy? - Yeah, yeah. - And had your friend not turn you on to that. - You never fucking know. - Well, there's no real radio anymore. - No. - Right, so how do you find out? When I was a kid, when I was in high school, like with a new Motley crew song came out. It was on the fucking radio. - Yeah, right. - And then you knew, all right, the new albums out. Let's go get the new album. - Yeah. - And that was with every major band. It was like, then you got MTV. MTV came along, oh, the music video's out, the album's out. But now it's like anyone can just put stuff up. You know, which is great. - Yeah, which is cool. - But it's also, look, it's all overall positive. 'Cause you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do. More people that are making music, which is awesome. But like, it's the same thing with movies. Imagine you had to watch every movie ever made. You'd have to be a million years old. - Until we'd never finish. - Exactly. - It's not a powers in the day. - Yeah. - It's the same, it's the same musically, what's happening musically. It's happening with everything entertainment. - Yeah. - What's the films, television shows. There's an abundance of like, it's just too much. How do people, I mean, people got these, you know, TV packages where they've got subscriptions for a thousand different places and you still can't find anything to watch. You're like, what the fuck is happening here, everybody? We got to like, peel it back a little bit. Make it a little easier here. - Well, there's so many options. - It's almost like dating apps, right? Like, if someone, if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth up and you're like, swipe, like, who's next? Like, people get, they don't get a chance to know anybody. And I think that's also the same thing with movies and TV shows. 'Cause if you're watching Netflix, if you get bored for three seconds, you're like, fuck this movie, what else is on? Bip, bip, bip, you know? Okay, try this one. And you watch that for 10 minutes, not fuck this. I would like to see their numbers of like, how long people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days, most people watch the movie to the end. - Sure. - I bet now it's like 20%. - Oh, dude. - If that. - Yeah, I'm just gonna say a little bit more. - If that, yeah. Everybody, it's short attention span life right now. It's very, very bad for you. - Yeah. - Sometimes you gotta just take something in. - And that affects the people who create the stuff because you realize I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six-year-olds here. (laughing) And if my shit isn't banging within the first, whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within three or four seconds, you're next. - Next. - Right, exactly. - When that's just the world we're in, so then that affects people who make the stuff because they really gotta put the best shit up front. Quick. - Yeah. - Or else you're gonna lose everybody. - 100%. - And that sucks. - Yeah. - That sucks. - They don't have to give into that. - Nobody's got time for suspense or, you know. Ah, fuck that. This summer, the cup is taking over the US and only Draft Kings has you covered every step of the way. 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And perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race. - Right, right. - You know, free bird, when that dude gets going, you see a live and everybody's fucking, the whole fucking place is going off. - Going bananas. - So the greatest guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race, and their record company was like, "It's too long." - Yeah. - People don't have any attention span for this, guys. - God, even back then, people were fucking hating. - Well, it's always the people that are the money people. Because all they give a fuck about is money. And you're in the creative side of it. And the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it. And they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can, because they want to buy a Rolls-Rice. - So they're like, "Come on, suck that dick, let's go." And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation, because then they got fucking Nickelback over here, and this guy over there, and there's always a new band. They can push and pimp. And so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible. So they have always have shitty advice, because their advice is based on making money. - Yeah, and for that reason, when we were on electoral records, they were never allowed in the studio. No one from the label. - That's awesome. - We allowed them once, and he came in and started making like, making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, out, out. - Yeah. - You'll get it when it's done here. - Oh God, so gross. - Yeah, dude. And here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no, not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking song's in. All he knows is it's too long. - Yeah. - And we gotta get to it quicker. - Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason. They're just kind of, they're just involved with other great creative people, and that's what they sell. That's their business is a sell stuff that's awesome. And somehow or another, they think it makes them awesome. - Yeah. - It's very weird, like, you know Zach Brian, he's got a great song called, I think, it's damn cold vampires or cold damn vampires. It's a great fucking song about-- - It's a fucking tung twister. - It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry, and it's about these vampires that are just, just sucking blood out of these artists and was a great song, the great line of song, trying to make an empire of the things that you create. They're making an empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But they, somehow or another, think that they're responsible and that they have an insight. And they're, I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee, and let me tell you something kid, I know music. And that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. (laughs) I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna show you these statistics. - Yes, we've got a guy. - We got the statistics. - We got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He knows when people are to, and when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy. - We got to stop him from tuning out. - Totally. - 'Cause I want to get a bonus egg. I want to get one of them fucking $2 million cars. (laughs) These guns, they exist in every walk of life where one person is like, you know, the creative type, it's not business oriented, and you need a business person. - Yes. - So the business people come in, 'cause someone's got to sell it, you're not gonna fucking sell it. - Yeah, right. - You're gonna make your own record company, you're gonna hire your own executives, and do your own promotion. Get the fuck outta here. - Yeah. - You can't. - Yeah. - So they come along, and they get involved, and they fuck it all up. - Yeah. - And how many guys have listened to them, and ruined their careers, 'cause they listen to them. - Oh man. - You know the Billy Squire story? - So Billy Squire remind me, 'cause I think I- - Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. He had that song, "Lonely is the Night." - Oh my God. - A little Billy Squire. - Dude, the stroke, he was fantastic. - So fast. - And he did one music video, where it was like very effeminate. It was like really weird. - Oh, was it when it was, he was in his pajamas or something? - It was really weird, and everybody was like, nope. - Yeah, what is he doing? - Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea, or somebody else's idea. They just took a wild chance. - Yeah. - I don't know. - No one knows. - I pray to God, it was his idea. 'Cause at least like he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever. - Yeah, fun. - But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in a song, it was like very, the reaction was crazy, because this guy was like a sex symbol. He was like, you know, shirt down, to his, you know, open up, down to his pants. - Yeah. - And fucking say, he was a bad motherfucker on stage, just saying his ass off. - He's a star! - One music video tanked him. - I think it was my condo lover. I think that was the song, where. - See if you can find what the video was. This is it. - There's a documentary, someone made on the Facebook, I found this. - About it? - About this whole thing, yeah. - So like, this is it, yeah. So it was very weird. - What song is it? - Can you hear? - I will, yeah, we're gonna have to cut it out though. - So it was somebody else's idea, is that guy with the face? That guy with the face, it looks like the guy. Looks like the guy down there would tell you. Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands and his knees. It was weird. It was very weird. - Fuck, what song was this? You know, like, if he was like, like, look at this, look at him skipping around, and it was a very odd, that guy. That seems like the type of guy that would give you the better advice. - Something me tonight, it's the name of the song. - I wanna, fuck. - I don't know, I'll look at this. - Not familiar with that title. - Yeah, I don't know either. - But I know, yeah, I guess I remember that. - And everybody's like, nope, that's a rap. And that guy, shit, I had like, fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing. Such an incredible singer, man. - So proud. - Rock Me Tonight, 1984. - Oh. (upbeat music) - I have to cut that out. - Yeah, we'll cut that part out, but you can see him dancing around. - Like, look at this. - Yeah. - Don't do that, buddy. What is this? - He's like, yeah, what? - Oh, dude. - Yeah, we need you on the ground. This woman around. Hopefully, hopefully it was his idea. - Yeah, and he just, my god. If this was somebody else's idea. - Like, I want you to be loose her. I want you to be loose her. I want you to be more, more free. - Yeah. - I want you to be like, I want to feel it. I want to feel, I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you to crawl in. Just what I want you to do. I want you to like this. Like, you barely can crawl. Like, you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl. - Yes, dude. (laughing) - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - Did you do it? - Oh my god. - What did you do to him? - I know. I hope it was his idea. - Despite its major success, the song sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video, which is described as one of the worst ever in a 2011 book. I want my MTV, the uncensored story of the music video revolution. Showed Squire dancing around to bed with pastel colored satin sheets and wearing a pink tank top. Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined and he later fired his managers. He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies while Squire remained steadfast. The video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity. Other commentators are less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember kids in high school going, "What the fuck, bro?" "The fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro?" "That's just gay, bro." "Because Billy Squire was the man." I mean, he could have been another John Mellon camp, he could have gone on forever. - For sure. - Like, what the fuck, dude? 84, one song, one music video? - Ow! - Insane. That is really crazy if you think about it. - Yeah, I don't know what you're not talking about. I'm nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing about, we think about like the success of Motley Crew and bands like from your era. The fact that you guys endured for so long, like still to this day. Bro, if I'm working out in the gym and kickstart my heart comes on, I swear to God, I get stronger. (laughing) (mimicking drumming) - Wow, fucker! Like you get pumped, man, that's long as a drug. - Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you. How fun, how rewarding that is to like sit back and like, I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff you. (mimicking drumming) - Yeah, we gotta cut it out, but I wanna hear it. Throw kickstart my heart on, we'll cut it, we have to cut it out for YouTube, otherwise we'll get docked with the fucking money people coming involved. Meanwhile, we just promote music. God damn it. What Tommy Lee you motherfuckers. Yeah, right? This fucking here. This fucking song. I was just alive. Don't need a live one. Give me the actual one. Bro, that was one of the most American songs that's ever been made. Ever, ever. That song is fuel. Yeah, you know, that that song is fucking fuel. If you were running in a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones, you're like, let the fucking go. That's fucking go. You know, like songs like that, they really do give you energy. They're, they really are like a drug. Yeah, they're, they're definitely, uh, they're injected. Yeah, like changes your state, you know, I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild? The power that music has, like the right kind of song, you know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like a fucking, like I get yeah, goosebumps, bro, if something comes along that just any, it gets inside you. Yeah, it's fucking infectious and all of a sudden you're like, dude, it's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling. Yeah, hair is standing up. And you're like, what is that? Yeah, what the fuck is that? Like, I want to fucking bottle that up and try to recreate whatever that is. Yeah, it's a, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies. That just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like, it's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have, have ever done one of the, one of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is it just make incredible music, because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that, like, they're like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. Like a great joke is awesome. The first time, but after you hear the second time, it loses a little, it's power the third time, it gets a little boring. Of a great song. I can listen to that. I sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, oh, I just want to hear this song one song over and over and over and over again. Where that fucker. I don't care. It's so good. I don't give a fuck. I just want to feel this fucking go. And every time it comes back on, you know, it's like, it's, it changes the frequency of your actual soul, your body gets moved by it. You feel different. You, I want to ask you a question, because you're into all this fucking crazy shit. Um, I saw somewhere recently, and this just goes along with that feeling you for feeling you get when the, the right notes or frequencies hit you. Um, I saw that through sound certain frequencies, like some dude in China, some doctor in China, or is it Japan? Has is this close to healing fucking cancer through, through sound, through frequency. Real. Have you? No, I haven't seen any of this. I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't die there because, you know, it just fascinates me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them 432, 432 hurts. You heard about that stuff. Explain to people. So, well, it's just, um, there, there's some weird, uh, what do you call it conspiracy theories about originally our music like Bach Beethoven back in those days was tuned. To 432 hurts. And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed the, the tuning, the pitch of music. And now everything was raised to 440 instead of, you know, 432. Now it's at 440. It's, it's up. And it's in the frequency is more aggressive. And it was said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking, you know, angst and crank this music. Well, they were also given a math. Between death and kickstart my heart, I'm just curious because I know that you're into that kind of stuff. If the any sound therapy or healing through frequencies, if you've heard any of that, well, I know people do sound baths. Yes. You know, they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie in their back and they have someone like that it's making sounds. Yeah. There's something to it. But just think about like what we're saying with kickstart my heart. Like when you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel. It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. So obviously sound has a profound effect on the human body. And it's not just like you enter. There's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like there's a lot of going on. The voice of the singer, you know, the visuals of everybody fucking rocking down on stage. Sure. That also contributes to it. But the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could provide like therapeutic benefits to like people that are injured, that are healing, sickness. I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music. Wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room? Like, uh, wait. Get me out of here. Yeah, you're inputting something. Yeah. Something nice. Should be a part of your recovery. Yeah, for sure. Getting positive vibes and getting like pods things that give you good feeling and good energy. I do that all the time. And I'll sit at home. You know, when you're in the mood to not really listen to music, but hear music. We're just playing in the background. And I'll, I'll just put there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens and Kyoto or whatever. And there's like high deaf shots of these just beautiful, you know, bonsai trees, koi ponds, big Milwaukee bonsai, like, and it's just so chill. And with that music. And I just, I just put it on and it's kind of on a lot, actually. And I find myself, that's where I go to like, just like, I don't know. Yeah, puts you in a different state puts me in a different space. You know, I dig it, man. You got really into bonsai. Yeah, dude. How did that start? All the, all the times that we've gone to Japan. I, everything, every time I went there, I always went to the, to the Japanese gardens of the temples. And I would just walk around and just be like, my jaw on the floor. Like, I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful and just like, I don't know, it just came over this feeling every time I went, I came over me and I just started studying. Yeah, this is like eight years ago. I was like, I, I need to send my life somehow. I don't know what this is. But let me go down, you know, down the, down the tube here and figure out what that, what that is and how I can get this. I'm just into my life and I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees and I started and I haven't stopped and it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into, man. Like, I'll be out there for hours every day. Like, I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on. And I got like a workshop, dude, it's like a, there's like in progress, works on the bench. There's other ones on bending. There's ones that, you know, the treating for pests, you know, there's a whole world and wiring everything, training it to where you want to go. It's just, it, it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just, I just, I don't know, man, I just, I check out how many years you've been doing this now? I've been probably eight years now. I've been doing it in eight years. And so is a bonsai tree, a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it? Yes. Yes. Okay. And then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful, artistic shape. Year small. Yes, it's what you're, you're basically, you keep kind of dwarfing it. And then everybody gets this confused. And they just think bonsai is like, that's the tree bonsai means tree and pot. That's what that means actually. It doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree and pot. How long has the study of bonsai, how long has the practice been around? Fuck. I have no idea. And you, and you find that other parts of the world now that you get into it. I mean, there's in Taiwan and China. There are some fucking insane bonsai. And I think it actually originated in China. And the Japanese took it and altered it in ways and did it their sort of their version. But I think it originated in China if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Sixth century China. Yeah. See that lamp. Fuck, dude. Wow. Fucking wiki. over here. So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old? Yes, I do. Over 300. I have I have two of them that are over 300 years old. So someone was working on them over 300 years ago. Well, either that or was collected maybe a hundred years ago and then over that time it's just constantly been you know cut back and cut back. But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago. Yeah, it's still it's the same tree. Right. But it's just it's never been it's it's always getting its roots cut. Is that it? Is that your tree? The 300 year old tree? No, no, no, that's just that's just a small juniper that I have. It's beautiful. The 300 year old one is a is a redwood. Wow. It's fucking the trunk on it's like this and it's smashed into a pot about this big. That seems rude. It's about redwood. It seems rude. If you go to like Northern California and you go to the Redwood Forest. Yeah, that fucking spectacular. Yeah, those things are wild. It's insane. That Redwood Forest is so incredible. There's the one that you drive through. Yeah. Yes, they caught a hole in it in like the 1920s or whatever. It's really good. I can't believe they did that. But the tree's still alive and you drive through the tree. It's so crazy. Yeah, that that that that one I showed not too long ago in an exhibition. Oh, so you go to bonsai shows. Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done two so far. I just now just like just this year entered a couple of trees. That's also a rest that these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know. What a cool hobby. Yeah, it's it's fucking rad, dude. It really is. It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star totally like what great balancing tool. You know, I know, man, it's interesting because a lot of a lot of, you know, my my peers, musical buddies, like they're they're all of them super interested. They're like, dude, what what's up with the bonsai? Like I like they're curious. They want to know. Yeah, because maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me. Yeah, I think I want some of that. I'm not sure where there's something about like a zen garden that you associate with like bonsai and peacefulness and clarity. Yes, you know, just peace of mind. Yes, clean mind. If your mind is pure, you're like you're really in the moment rather than just being a fucking mess ordering Uber Eats. You know what I mean? Yeah, dude, like there's something that's very spiritually attractive to people about the those practices. Yes, and that's it too. It really has a lot to do with sort of the the culture of all of it. Like when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to you start to realize that everything that at least the Japanese do is with such fucking purpose. Like you'll notice in, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff until later. I was like, Oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a zen garden. You'll never find a straight path ever. I don't care how far you look. You'll never find a straight path going through a zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve the path to slow you down when you get to when you get when soon as you walk into a garden, the number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no straight path and everything. You don't nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner. So you're always even if they're if you're going across a lake or a pond, there's never a straight very rarely a straight bridge. It's either arct or the bridge zigzags across. There's never a straight line and with that's how that's what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each corner and look out and just take take it in and fucking be present. And then that's to me, it's like that's the deeper meaning of all this for me. It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind of all the time. So, you know, that it's just I get I don't know how to explain to something. It's hard to explain that state, but that's what I that's what I get from it and every day. It's the best way to start start your day, man. It can only get fucking amazing after that because you're you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super rad day like I do know me like yeah, yeah, I'm good. Let's go. Right. Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those zen gardens that's so attractive to people. Yes, it's obvious. There's something going on with that design, with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together. It's very exciting to people. And you see it, man, I don't know if you noticed, you had to notice, you see it in a lot of them like newer architecture. A lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum. Yeah, it's more it's more peaceful, like in the actual design itself versus like somehow some big giant ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere and like yeah, yeah, yeah, and I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views and I mean, the views just kind of view doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having a beautiful winding sanctuary to cruise through, you know, I think nature is very therapeutic. And if you can put nature in an artistic form like a zen garden, it's very therapeutic. That's a way better view. The view of nature is a way, always a way. Look, look, you whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle and you'll see all the buildings like, wow, this is crazy in the center of it. This is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there. Right. I like to visit, but I don't think it's good for me at least. I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees. I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better. Yeah. You know, it's funny, dude. I tell people, I think I think I was a fucking tree like in a past light because I'm like, maybe you were a tree too. I'm like you like the, I don't know if you're like this gnarly about it. But every time I go into a city, the first thing I look look at is the trees. Like whether it's a big city, wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings. I don't look, you know, up and we're down. I'm always like looking for the tree. Yeah. It's just, I don't know, man. Well, human beings are very connected to plants where they're very connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park. Have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and like from the window, you look out, you see the whole park like straight. This is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big and it's, it's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around like, hey, get the fuck out of these buildings for a while. And it's like for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all, it would make them all better. You know, feel better. It's a little center retreat, man. Wow, an amazing one. It's fucking huge. Like, how many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm a guess, a thousand acres. If I had a guess, maybe two thousand acres, how big is it? 843 acres. So this is amazing huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world. And you see all these giant crazy fucking buildings and then none of them in the center. It's beautiful. Fucking props to that. Yeah. Those people or whoever that didn't sell that space. How many fucking vampires are trying to take over that and put a big shitty ass building in the middle of it? We don't need 800 acres. 500 acres. That's plenty. We'll just make those 500 acres even better and no one's going to complain. Yeah, but a bunch of them. Yeah, hats off to whoever listen, whatever we're going to do. Whoever like held that down. Yeah, they've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with Ari Shafir, Shane Gillis and Mark Norman is protect our parks. Oh, but we're not really protected parks. We're just getting drunk and talking shit called protect our parks because Ari, on one of the early episodes was ranting and raving about they're going to fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings and they wound up doing it. They the park. Oh, man, vampires. They just want to suck out all the trees and just make money. These dirty bitches. Oh, man. Pretty soon everybody's going to have no place to go, man. Yeah. Well, I think Central Park is safe. And that's the greatest park in the world. Yeah. It really is. The greatest park in any city in the world. It's so crazy. You mentioned that because on the way here, I was flicking through Instagram. And I saw, sorry, that this happened. Some dude got killed that one of the horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing. Just fucking launched. And you see the dude, the horse flips the cart. Oh, man. The dude gets flung out and he dies. He died on the way to the hospital. Why did the horse freak out? Do we know what happened? I don't, it didn't show it. It just showed like somebody else's had footage of it, like just the horse freaking out. Oh shit. And then peeling out and you'd see the thing flip over and you're like, oh, man, dude, you know, I love horses and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked. Yeah. I get the people think it's romantic to ride on the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's not right. No, horses supposed to be in the fucking fields and the mountains. The horse supposed to be running around and eating around on the asphalt. Oh, oh, dude. Fuck all that. They're not like it. It's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. Yeah. I know cops like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit. It's kind of crazy. But the reality is a horse is not supposed to be there. Just like a cow's not supposed to be there. If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why is this fucking this cow? This was likely an accident because the driver. Yeah, the driver, I guess they call him, wasn't dude. Never spot like left to see. What? Yeah. He left his seat. I'm never supposed to see this as to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage and when the family was climbing back in, horse got spooked. Oh, no. Yeah. It happened very fast. But yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it. Dude, it just peels out. Oh, fuck, man. And you see it just go and just make kind of a hard right in the buggy. Just, oh, fuck, flips over and think, I don't fuck with the horses, man. Yeah, dude, I don't ride them. I have ridden the horse before. I don't like it. Dude, I've done same here, I've done it. I got my ass thrown off on. Yeah. And I was like, I'm good. I'm cool. It's just not good. It's just, I mean, look, if you're a cowboy and you ride horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing. Sure. You know, if you're doing it every day, that's different thing. But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride them. I get it for entertainment purposes. Yeah. It's like, I went to Thailand and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants and the elephants don't mind because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugar cane and you know, you pet them and you hang out with them and they decide whether or not you're cool. And if you give them like peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up. They lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back and they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. I could have just hung out with them. That had been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like King Chimp. King Chimp on them. Big ass fucking elephant. Look at me. You know, it's very weird. Yeah. It's weird. But you know, people like it and they're beautiful animals. Oh my god. They're beautiful. I don't need to ride animals. I get it. People like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it but it's not me. Yeah. I'm ready to do it. I'm with you. Yeah. But horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses like they're bonded to that animal like no other animal. Oh yeah. I know a few that are just like horse whisperer kind of shit like where you're like, whoa, this is this is some next level love. Yeah, they do a lot of there's there's a therapy with that too. Yes. They decline therapy for a lot of people. I did that one time. I had a rehab. They took us to have like a couple of days with just with horses and it was cool, man. I get it. Yeah. Well, again, it's like just like the trees and the forest. It's like something peaceful about horses. Yeah. You know, mostly most of the time they're especially if they're broken. They're pretty chill. They just want to hang out. Yeah. Yeah. You can go up and pat them and they like it and it's like, wow, no. Like, whoa. It puts you in check. Their big-ass teeth freak me out when you're feeding them. You don't like get your fingers in there, dude. People have been bitten by them too. Shompers. If you're peep someone's a dick, you get a horse annoyed and they bite you like that. Yeah. Bro. Oh, dude. Yeah. That's got a fucking. Can you imagine all that jaw power? Dude. The size of their fucking head. Yeah. Just clamping down on your hand. Fuck you. Yeah. I want a carrot bitch. Yeah. Give me the fucking carrot. That's so rad you can smoke in. Yes. Oh. Yeah. I smoke cigars. Of course. I'll fire up with you. All right. How long have you been smoking? God. Forever. You ever tried to quit? I have and I quit for as a few years ago. I quit for like, fuck. I almost made it a year and then I was like, gotta get a feel like after a few months you're out of the woods. Yeah. I don't know. I just didn't it didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man. What brought you back? You know what? Probably because I was drinking at the time. They kind of go hand in hand. If you're on a cocktail or a beer or whatever, you're having a smoke. Chances. Chances are. And I don't know, man. You're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like, where's the cigarette? It's just, I don't know. They're it's like rock and roll. They just go together for some reason. So I failed. Well, why did you quit originally? What was the top behind it? I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything. You know, you just like, I said, fuck everything. I'm just gonna take a break and fucking hit the reset button on everything. I think I was going through that phase because I hadn't ever tried that. I tried everything else, but nothing. And yeah. I don't know, man. It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery. Yeah. And then you got, and then you know, you got guys like Keith Richards who's just ripping cigarettes still. And I'm like, he's fine. And like, I've gotten, I've gotten my fucking, my lungs and done the whole like pernovo body scan to see all your shit. And they're like, you're good. I'm like, are you sure? Wait, let me see the paperwork. Is this a different lease or a different guy? Because that's fucking impossible. They're like, you're good. I was like, all right. So that there's really no reason to quit. Well, it's actually a very small percentage of people. Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer of the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer. But more cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high. So if you like, let's let's find the numbers, put it into perplexity, please. Let's what percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? And I think it's less than 5%. I think it's a very small number. And then you got to think people that are smoking cigarettes. How many of them are smoking two, three packs a day? Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I don't know. And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant. They only smoke like a half a pack or a little bit less. Yeah. Like, so what does it say, Jamie? It's still calculating. It's timing. Oh, sorry. And isn't there something about like nicotine? Like when COVID happened, they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. And I never got fucking COVID. Yes. And it was like, yeah, nicotine. Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes. It's supposed to be like really good to prevent COVID. And it's really confusing. So crazy. Yeah. 10 to 20% of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer with many studies landing about 15%. I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that 15 out of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer over the, but that's estimated from a study. Another analysis found roughly one in seven current smokers develop blood cancer. People who never smoke have a one to two percent chance or a lifetime risk of lung cancer. Yeah. People who never smoke. Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer. But smoking still causes about 80 to 9% of the lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look up. Um, there's some sort of a study that's connecting people that live in Europe that have high polyphenol diets. Like so they have like they, they use a lot olive oil. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And olive oil seems to protect. And it's a very controversial statement because people think, "Oh my God, you're promoting cigarettes." And I don't think they're promoting cigarettes, so just that they're just looking at data that these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes or not have nearly as many problems. Oh, wow. Yeah. Which makes sense because olive oil is so good for you. You got to think it's got to balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life. It makes sense that it would apply to smoking as well. You're totally. Yeah, that's yeah, that's so smoke him if you got him. Fucking it. Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's fucking go dip him. Dip him like shirm. Have you ever tried shirm? A long time ago. Did you? Yeah, I'm fucking high school days, man. People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets, but still, but smoke still face the full very high health risks with smoking, diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It could only modestly improve overall risk markers. But there was an article that I had read that they were connecting it. They were talking about Europeans. Yeah, here it is, especially meditative urine rich plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables and whole grains, tea olive oil and wine. Holly polyphenol intake is linked to more to better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long term heart disease risk and overall mortality in observational studies, because that's the other thing about cigarettes. It's not just cancer. It's also heart disease. And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects, but current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers. Haters. You haven't had some of the vices. Most of the people I know that in alcoholics and on them say fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes. Yeah. Big percentage of ripping cigarettes. Yeah. Because it gets you a little high. Yeah. But it's like a very manageable high. Yeah. Like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm all right. Yeah, it's just like a little light headed. Yeah. Okay. But also like good for cognitive function, you know. Oh, like, you know, Pink Floyd, when they wrote the wall, they were highest fuck on cigarettes. Those guys smoke cigarettes. All day long. What? Yeah. Yeah. Those dude smoked a ton of cigarettes. Get out of here. Yeah. Was that coffee dude? Get in there. Fuck yeah. Thank you, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Tony Hitchcliffe told me that. And he's a giant cigarette fan. Um, Stephen King said that too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing. Oh, whoa. Yeah. He said it. Sidenapses just didn't fire as fast anymore. Whoa. It's like that was one of the things that I really noticed when I quit smoking. That's wild. Yeah. Huh. Doesn't that make sense though? Yeah, it does. I remember quitting for a short time there. I remember everything tasting better. I'm sure. Shit. Yeah. Like everything you just tasted better. Yeah. You know, of course it's pounded in the cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink. It's got it. And I'm the inside of your mouth and somewhere dull your senses. It's something. You're caking it with smoke. Yeah. It's gross. Clog up the old taste receptors. Yeah, dude. Yeah. But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man. Hmm. I think there's there's some benefit to it. Yeah. Hopefully. Now I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many like super creative people. And a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors used to back home. David Gilmore says he never smokes cigarettes. David Gilmore, but didn't Roger Waters. This is the thing that goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their marijuana and hashie smoking. Oh, so Tony Hankscliffe spread misinformation. And here I am repeating it. All right, he might have named. He could have been told though. Yeah, I'm sure he was told. Well, Roger, yeah, we all did hang out with Roger that one night. That was pretty dope. We got to see Roger Waters live. We came on the podcast. We hung out and then we went to see his concert. It wasn't saying. Oh, I bet it was fucking route. He had another legend. It was still like full power on stage. It's incredible. That's the best show was amazing. And it's like he has these enormous screens behind him. So the show is like, it's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing. Yeah. You know, and his is so politically loaded. So it's, you know, you see all this crazy shit like while he's singing these songs, like when they're playing the wall, it's like, fuck. Yeah, I don't remember seeing one of those tours. I think maybe it was, I don't know, but the wall is slowly building over the whole. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. And when we went to see him, Ari was high as fuck on acid and he's crying in the middle of the show. He's crying. It was fucking phenomenal. Oh my god. Dude, I don't know if I could handle that. Yeah, I don't know either. Jesus. Like get the fuck out of here with the acid. We're just gonna go see the concert about doing that. Yeah, dude. Fuck around all those people. I mean, I'd probably, I don't know if that'd be a good one. It's probably not a good one, but Ari's a experienced passenger. He could ride some waves. Good boy. He could ride some waves without throwing it up. Do you ever look back and just say, God, it's a wonder I'm still alive? Dude, I told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. I really do. Like, I shouldn't technically be here. Right. And maybe you shouldn't. I don't know who knows. We all got our thing, but oh man, I'm really lucky to be here. And I think it's because I want to be here. Like, you know what I mean? I want to be here. Like, I want to fucking see. I'm kind of pissed because I feel like we're not even close to where we should be. I mean, the year 2000, where's my fucking spaceship? You know, like, where is that? That it was supposed to be full Jetsons. Bro, they're extremely late or it's never going to happen. I think there's a real problem with people flying around. They lied. The problem with people flying around is you got to catch them. Whereas if they're on the street, just close off the street and then you catch them. It's right. Yeah. If people are flying around like too much freedom of banging, and they just go off like, no, no, no, no, you can't have that for everybody. You got to have people corral in nice, like very clean lines. We can block these lines off. Very obvious paths. Use lights to start to stop. Eye over them in helicopters. Put a spotlight down on them. See, fall them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the Jetson. Like, that's not fuck. I want that, dude. I want my own little, well, they do have flying cars now. I saw something. There's a couple. There's like one company called Jet One. It's like this little, looks like a little, it's like a one-man drone. I'm like, yeah, me and my manager were always like, should we go fucking get a couple of these? You don't want to die that way. Yeah. Let those things get worked out for a few years. Yeah, it's probably in these a little bit more time for it to be soup. But yeah, man, because me think about like how glitchy early cell phones were, you know what I mean? Let that shit get ironed out. Yeah. Let the egg heads work on that for a little bit. Yeah. Polish it up nice. Yeah. That'd be cool. Fix all the bugs. Yeah. It's like, I don't know what happens when those things crash. Like, yeah, warning when they're about to die. Like, do you, do you run out of batteries? Is it run out of gas? Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an asshole and just fly until you run out of gas and die? Yeah. Or, you know, I think I could make it home. Yeah. Like, how many guys have done that in their cars? I think I could make it home. Well, I was in high school. My friend picked me up in his buddies, 1970 Chevelle's fucking amazing. So dope. And I remember he ran out of gas and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station. No way. Yeah. It was like, we shut the car. We got out like, that was amazing. Just because, you know, we're 16. It ran out of gas at the pump. I was like, this is perfect. No pushing. No nothing. Just, but if you're in one of them little drones and that shit goes, goes on E. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking parts. Yeah. Yeah. Not good. Not good. Do you see that documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane? He stole a plane. He was like working at an airport and he stole a plane and hijacked it. And there's a fluid and crashed it and died. Yes. But he's like having conversations with him. Yeah. He's talking and going like, I don't know what I'm doing, man. But, you know, this one's further, I don't know. Yeah. He's just, and they were just like, I could run it, dude. Well, they were trying to get him to land, but they were trying to get him to land it. But the reality was, like, he's no way. He's going to figure out how to land that thing. He's a dead man. The moment he got off the ground, he's a dead man. Yeah. And he just stole a plane and there's a whole documentary about it. It's apparently very interesting. Oh, wow. I have not seen the documentary, but I've seen clips of them trying to talk him, talk him down and he just seemed like he wasn't, that wasn't an option. He just seemed like this. He was ready to wrap it up. He was taking this, this was this, that, that, that one flight. Yeah. He's ready to wrap it up. Yeah. The insurance covers this. (laughing) - Oh, but yeah, I think flying cars will probably be a thing one day. For 70 minutes, the world watched and disbelief as a stolen horizon airplane soared over Puget Sound for crashing on a remote island. Now a new Hulu documentary reveals the man behind the controls. - Oh, I got a quiet struggle that led him there. - Oh, I got a watch this. - What's it called? - Sky King. - What's Sky King? - It's what? - Sky King, it's called-- - Sky King. - It's called Port Dude. - Oh, damn. - Well, at least they gave him a rad title. - Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well. - Oh, yeah. - People are very stupid. - The people are stupid. I just released a song called "Stupid World" a couple of weeks ago. And that's exactly what that's about. It's literally, we have gotten to a place where everything to me, like we are at, just epic stupid proportions where you're just like, not a day goes by where I'm like, that's fucking ridiculous, that's stupid. Like how stupid, like how stupid can we get? - Anyway, I wrote this track, it's called "Stupid World." - Well, just live in L.A. - Of course. - Which is one of the stupidest fucking places on Earth. - Dude, I know. It's fucking insane. I'm like, and I'm doing the same thing too. Like, why do I live here? I mean, I love it there. But in the same way. - It's amazing. There's always in the back of my head is why? - Look, it's one of the most beautiful places on Earth, the weather's perfect. Most of the people are very friendly. Most of the people are cool. You know, it's like, it's only a percentage of the people that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The majority of the people are cool. The problem is, it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit. It's like slowly, the film business is like, it's dried up, completely dried up, television, completely dried up. Late night TV, it's dried up, man. And that was fueling a giant part of what made L.A. special. And it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore. And they make it intolerable. They make you seem like you have to be there. So they just punish you with taxes. And they punish you with regulations. They punish you with, they make it everything very difficult to conduct business, very difficult to be safe, very difficult to just feel fucking normal. And they get surprised when people leave. Like, what do you want? - Yeah. - What do you think you're doing to that place? You guys can see the statistics. Stop fucking gaslighting the world. - Right. - You guys can fuck this place sideways and you want to keep doing it. - And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know, you hear and you see, oh man, fuck a bunch of people who are leaving L.A. And part of me is like, fuck yes. Get the fuck out of here. There's too many people here. So go. But then I realize nothing's really changed and I don't really notice that people have left. The traffic's still the same. A bunch of shit's exactly the same. And you tell me this many people left, I don't see it. And I wonder if that's not maybe a, I don't know, a hyped statistic. - Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis. No, like, the numbers are real. People have left L.A., but it doesn't matter. You could lose five billion people and L.A. is still too big. The traffic's bananas. - Dude, it's fucking retarded. - It's bananas. - It's bananas. If you want to go to Orange County at four o'clock or shoot yourself, like, it's a real decision, try to go to Orange County at four o'clock in the afternoon and you're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy. - Yeah, and don't even think about hitting the four o'clock. - No. - At all, like, no. - No, you're gonna have to go some sideways. - Yeah. - You're gonna have to go some, you're gonna have to use ways. - Yeah, yeah, and even then you're fucked. Even then it's an hour and a half. If you live in like Irvine and you commute to L.A., good, God bless you. - Dude. - God bless you. - Yeah. - How do you do it? - I don't know. - People do it every day. They just want to live in a place like Irvine, real safe, real nice. - Yeah. - I gotta work in L.A. Fuck it. I'll just drive in every day. - Just fucking, just all fucking mad and shit. - I would get up at five in the morning and just go to the gym. That's what I would do. I'd get up five in the morning, drive to L.A. I'd get a membership in L.A. at the gym. That way I'm driving with no traffic, at least one way. At least getting there, I have no traffic. - Yeah. - And then you deal with the home commute. Doing it to both, to and from, fuck you, fuck you, I'm not doing that. - It's too gnarly. I'd rather get up at five in the morning. I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day, minimum in their car. And they really live 20 minutes away. If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes. - Man, that's pretty crazy. When you realize all we have here on this planet is time. And you realize that kind of time, you're wasting. And you're never going to get back. And you're like, "If I do this consecutively, "every single day, I wonder what, add that time up over, "you know, whatever, however many years, "and I'll bet you people would freak the fuck out." - Yeah, you lost years, everybody. - I just lost years of my life in the fucking car. - Yeah. But the good thing is, one thing you can do in the car is listen to books on tape. - Yeah. - Books on tape are amazing. And you know, podcasts too, for some people. But for me, it's a lot of it is books on tape 'cause like you'll get lost in a book and it doesn't even really bother you that much. And one of the crazy, if you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto driving. So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go, I just turn it on and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to stop at red lights. It does everything. - De-stressed. - And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel. Just like this. - You always make it look like you're old. - No, you're supposed to like stay contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road. But you don't have to think at all. You know, you can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know what happens if you just, - I think it shuts down after a second. - It probably starts to recognize is that you're doing that and shuts down. But the reality is, that as a stress decoupler, there's nothing like it. - Oh man, the best. - You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half instead of like constantly hitting the brake, constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the brakes. Now you're just chilling and you can get you just like, listen to your book on Bunza. - Yeah, no, that is nice, man. I don't know about you, but if I start reading a book, just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading, they get tired. So you get more in listening to it an auditory version of it rather than for me, at least sort of eye stressing on reading and doing all that. I get tired and then I fucking lose interest. - Yeah, that's definitely something to that. Well, reading always makes me want to go to sleep. Especially a reading at night helps you fall asleep. But there's also something about reading in your head because you create the voices and you create everything like you use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist with books on tape. But with audio books, I don't have the time. So for me, it's a time thing. Like if I have a guest coming on and the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something, like I need to absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time. So I listen to audio books in the gym. I listen to audio books in the sauna and I listen to it in the car on the way to work. And so that altogether is a couple hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't, I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read. I just, I don't, I wish I did, I don't. So I can still get all that data and that information but I have to be very diligent about actually listening. - Yeah. - That's the thing. 'Cause especially at the gym, you can get a little just distracted and you're like, what the fuck did he just say and you have to back it up and when that happens, I generally, I just shut it off. I might just work out two intents. I can't really pay attention. - Yeah, what do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it? - Yeah, people think they're multitasking. - Right. - That doesn't fucking exist. You really, yeah, whatever. - You're sort of multitasking because you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul. - Thank you very much. - Yeah. - You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing and it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things. And if one of them is very simple and it's like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted. - Right, right. - But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing. You're robbing attention from these things. - Yeah. - There it is. - Yeah, there it is. - Well, I've always found that like my best workouts are in silence. It's like you don't, it's so hard to work out. Like you really need to only be thinking about what you're doing. - Yeah. - And if you add in a bunch of stuff, accept music. Music is always fuel for workout. That's different. - Sure. - With books. It's like music you can listen and then stop listening. You can do it in the middle of the set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics. It just keeps, just gives you some energy in the air. Music is the ultimate companion for working out. - Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. - So much so that David Goggins doesn't use it 'cause he says it's cheating. - What? - He goes is cheating. - Yeah, 'cause he's just a complete. total psycho. Is that like, uh, is that that like, uh, ultra marathon guy? Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought it was the lip forever guy, though. Oh, no, no, no, that's Brian Johnson. That's the guy who like has his son blood injected into. Yeah, that dude. I'm sorry. Come confusing this. David Goggins is a totally different guy. He's the Navy seal who, uh, run. He, I think how many ultra marathons have you run in a month? Something insane. He runs 100 mile races and he's like a insane fitness freak. Oh, well, and when he works out he has these workouts where like famously, he'll take like professional fighters and they work out with them and they can't keep up and they're just throwing up and can't, can't believe how much this guy works. I mean, he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time and they can't keep up. He finished eight 100 mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends. So he ran 800 miles in eight weekends. He's a nut. And he does like, he'll, he'll be like at home and just decide, uh, I'm going to do a 60 mile ruck right now and just like throws on a backpack, gets outside and starts rucking and they'll just do 60 miles. And so he'll go out there for hours and hours just decides this is what I'm going to do and I'm not stopping until I'm done. And he does it all the time. Whoa. He's in insane shape. And he's 50. Wow. He's in insane. He also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed. Oh, from pounding on bone. He said a ton of operations. It doesn't care. Keeps going on on bone on bone. Like, but it's just a maniac. So complete and total man. But he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating. Wow. That's amazing. But that just shows you. I like to cheat. I like to use that music. I like to cheat. I need to cheat to get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it myself. Maybe, but why would I, when I go, I mean, give me that fucking, give me that fucking music. Yeah. We have it cheating. I'm going to cheat at that. Yeah. That's, that's, that's not cheating. I don't think of it as cheating inspiration. Yes. It's an awesome supplement. That's what I call it. There you go. But for him, it's all about mental strength. And so he considers it cheating to use that mental strength. Like to you, your mental strength should be right from your brain. He goes, you can't always count on that music. The music's not always going to be there. Okay. Oh, I guess so he kind of has a, I get it. Yeah. Do what you're doing for what he does. He kind of has a point. Yeah. I could see that. He's focusing. Yeah. No, no, no distractions. Yeah. He says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm gaining knowledge. I'm acquiring knowledge. You must be doing. I believe him. I believe him because he's, he's going into the dark realms of his mind, you know, intense suffering running 100 mile races, eight weekends in a row. He's doing some serious other work while he's running. That's the real, like deep introspective work. You want to find out who you really are, run eight 100 mile races in eight weeks. Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself. What the fuck am I doing? No, dude, you got this, you got this. No, dude, you're an idiot. No, bro. Fuck yes. I think he probably used to have those conversations. Now it's just, now it's just battling demons. It's all just demons. It's crushing down negative thoughts, crushing down weakness, you know, I know. Fuck. It's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy. Yeah, there are. It's pretty crazy out there. You've met every variety of them just about. Oh my God. That's funny. Wow. I know. There's some crazy people in this world. Yeah, there is. But we need all of them. You know, we need our Tommy Lee's. We need our David Lee Ross. We need our, you know, we need our David Goggins. We need all those people. That's what makes the world beautiful. There are so many different people. You can meet someone like, fuck, I never met a guy like him. That's nuts. Yeah. That is what it is wonderful. Isn't it wonderful? I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived practically. Dude, I feel like it. Just about. I mean, you've been famous since what year did Motley Crew really break out? It's like 80. 80. That's nuts. Yeah. Boy, that world was a different place. Borrow. The world was a different place. No internet. No cell phones. No is president in 1980. Was that even Reagan yet? Almost. When did Reagan become president? Oh, fuck. Reagan was president when I was in high school. Who to fuck? That was in the 80s. What year, Jamie? 1981. 81. So 1980. Reagan wasn't even president yet. Fuck. Who was? How did Jimmy Carter, right? Yeah. That sounds right. Was it a Jimmy Carter before Reagan? Yeah. Yeah. So is Jimmy Carter. And Ronald Reagan. Whoa, dude. Wow. And that nuts. 1980. What was that scene like? Bro, that was still to this day. Motley did, we did this movie called The Dirt. And it's based on our autobiography from, you know, certain years from this year to this year. And it kind of like, it shows how it fucking was. And one of one of the coolest things ever is when, you know, I'll see it, you know, emails from fans or questions from fans. And they're like, dude, was it? And these are from like, you know, 18 year old kids. They're like, was it really like that? When you guys were rocking shit, like that. I was like 100%. They're like, fuck. And they're bombed. They're like, we will never ever get to experience that. Fuck. It's like, it was just full on till the wheels fall off. No, you could get away with fucking murder. Literally, there's no phones and no, this was at a time where anything, anything goes. Pretty much. Pretty much. How old were you in 1980? In 1980, I was 18. Jesus Christ. 17, 17. So you're blowing up at 18 years old. How the fuck did you manage? I know too. Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like 1940, right? It's like, it was not in world. I know. Even the font from Motley Crew looks ancient. Totally. Wow. God, dude. What is that? Is that even seem real when you look at that picture? Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop. That's dope. The wrinkles in the fabric. That's at the whiskey whiskey. Too fast for love. Fucking great song. And that fucking drum riser that that right there with the lights in it. Yeah. My dad fucking, and my dad, myself and my drum tech, we built that riser, dude. Like it had fucking switches. My dad was a mechanic. And so my dad built. He, you know, he was like a new drum riser. All right. Let's go. I mean, dude, he would, my dad would built us a pyro. Fucking he, like drilled out these, or cut these big, big blocks of wood, ran electrical prongs up through the wood. And then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder. And we'd be out in my backyard, dude. And the neighbors would be all said. And it's like, fire. There's fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard. The neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on? And my dad, like, he just, he loved it. He's like making bombs, lighting rigs, drum risers. And then he would drive me, he would drive me to the gigs. And in his fan with all my shit, like, I had the best dad fucking ever. That's awesome. Yeah. And here's a mechanic. Okay. Look at this fucking setup, bro. This is nuts. Oh, dude. Right? The hamster wheel. Yeah. That is crazy. Yeah. That's nuts. But you were doing drums like halfway upside down. Yeah. The thing was gyroscope. It went around, you know, right to left, back to front. What is it like trying to play the drums from that position, though? That's got to be very weird. Dude, it is insane. Like, I had to, like, I had to change so many dynamics. Like, think about it. Instead of gravity, instead of gravity, pulling your hand down, right? Right. Now you've got a push. Oh, yeah. Upside down. So it becomes three times harder physically and also you had to make adjustments. So, I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, their foot pedals for your bass drums, right? Well, and those are chain driven pedals, footboards. So when you go upside down, they fall. So I had to put springs. I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taught so they would stay up. You know what I'm saying oh yeah, so I had in with symbols they they they're meant to hang a certain way They're not meant to hang upside down so I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off But we figured it out with the high hat too because the high hat would you know the two symbols it Well, they would just when if you're upside down they just They just go open they all right, so I had to do another spring as well to keep that close So I could manually drive it It's all this crazy shit. Why did you decide to do that? Like what was it just something rad? You know what that all started And it's kind of been my thing throughout history and every year I do something fucking different and crazier of course everybody's like what are you gonna do next year? What are you gonna do next year? That's sort of like that's where it all started and it really started when I went to go see It was fucking Pat Travers Do you remember Pat Travers man now boom boom? I'll go the lights. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah They're anyway. They're cool and I want to go see them and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer and This is before Motley. I'm just like whoa dude. I'm like a fucking kid standing on the chair Right and his drum solo time and and he's about us and he's just he's fucking ripping dude All you see is sticks flying and hair fucking going he's shredding and I'm looking around and And I'm watching people go get a beer people going to pee Going to get a t-shirt going out for lobby to fucking smoke a joint. What I don't know whatever everybody's kind of leaving and I'm like Where the fuck is everybody going that guy is murdering the fucking drums right now and y'all are like He failed to capture their attention and from that moment on I went I need to figure out A how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there because people can't see You can see Oh, there's the that's the rollercoaster that's the that's the that's the crucible. I did that's so dope That's the light the latest one that thing went from in the front all the way to the back of the fucking Arena or stadium. That's crazy dude and look at and then it it starts It starts twirling as it's going down. Oh my god. You're upside down. That's so sick. Look at that dude. That is so sick The audience must go dude. Man is yeah at one point the rollercoaster comes down and it's literally almost Just they could almost touch you. Wow look at that shit dude. That I think that is how do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down Panging on the drums dude. It is so gnarly. I'm I'm wrecked. It's nine minutes total must do up for your core too, right? Dude I'm on the oxygen bottle when when I finish I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards Whoa and go back and do it backwards and by the time I get done I'm sitting there with the oxygen the going Well, Mick does a guitar solo. I just need a couple seconds because I am fucking done. I can imagine man It's an incredible cardio. It's just it's like shadow boxing for minutes at a time hardcore super fast. Yeah I've always admired the physical fitness. Yeah just constantly and you know what that's like man after a fucking minute of that you're like I know the physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy Like if you didn't play drums for like a few years and then picked it up again and started to get it probably take forever to get that endurance back Forever dude because it's so like when you're going off dude. You're so fast But I know it's one of the most athletic things in all of music it really is man and and I had this I was like Okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high school till today right and I'm like That's fucking weird and I eat kind of whatever the fuck on to eat like I don't there's no I don't like Diet or have some strict, you know regimen at food program I was like I'm gonna fucking I gotta see I got one of those This was years ago was like a pedometer you clip onto your shoe like joggers would use it to see how There's like the old version you just clipped it on your on your shoe and it tells you how many miles you did Like a little Tacometer not a tacometer. Yeah, I know a pedometer. Yeah, yeah, so I'm like I get one I clip it on I'm like I'm wonder what how many fucking miles I'm doing after a two-hour show. I don't know fuck who knows I Know I'm sweaty as fuck and I'm I'm after the show all as I hear is ringing in my ear and I'm fucking I'm wrecked I'm done and I fucking took it off after the show and I looked down and it said 13.3 miles and I was like So that's why I don't fucking that's why I'm just skinny fuck and like I just I Sweated I want to have a sparker same deal same deal. Yeah, I mean he wears out a bill as well, but it's like same deal. Yeah, yeah It's like incredible amounts of cardio the amount of I wonder how many calories you burn in a two-hour show It's got to be off the charts. Yeah, I thought I haven't measured just because it's not just jogging I mean, it's not like you're running 13 miles obviously you're sitting still But the pounding of the arms. Yes. Yeah, and the breathing you gonna get a fucking It's like god. Yeah, everything's going man. You're firing on a hole For sure the most athletic thing in all of music for sure nothing even close, right? Yeah, no I mean playing guitars you're moving your hands and everything, but it's not not not neat nearly drums It's like it's more like a sport really is it really is like you don't see a really out-of-shape drummer No, you know, it's almost like you can't be to keep up. No, I know and yeah, everybody's you're kind of like You're the fucking heartbeat man. You're you're really everybody's kind of you know People say you're you're only as good your bands only as good as your drummer and that's really fucking It's really true and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer, but drummer has a lot of responsibility man everybody you all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving I'm I'm responsible for for a lot of that. I'm not saying it for all of it, but you sort of set the pace you know And you you're making people physically move yeah, like and that that's that takes That takes a lot of work, you know, so the amount of energy you're putting out you're getting back and you're seeing it You're like fuck I'm driving here. Yeah, and that's like that's a cool place to be But it is a responsibility and it is physical and it's training, but but it's fucking rat. I live for it And did you take lessons to learn how to drum or did you learn on your own? I I didn't really take lessons like I learned on my own until I mean like kind of early in in high school I played in the marching band, but that wasn't really like drums. That was like more like like a drumcore stuff like rudiments and like you know Drumcore shit. It's not really the whole kit till later I got the school my high school to let me You're sorry my grade school to let me borrow with the drum the jazz drum set at the school And I'd bring it home and then I started just like listen into my favorite shit and I would just play along And I so I never really took any physical lessons. I just Just in me man. I was just like a really good at hearing something and going. Oh, okay. I got it Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks? Do you hold the sticks in a convention away that like like your taught or did you just figure it out on your own? Just I just figured out on my own just Probably just moved on from the the for the forks and the spoons interesting how many great musicians learned on their own? Yeah, like Hendrix Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down left-handed. He just made it work Yeah, yeah, just figured out how to do it on his own. It's really interesting how Like with you know when you just get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of Fuck around with it and figure it out and then doing it your own way Yeah, of course, and then whoa then you got your own thing. Oh, it just that's wonderful man But if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played like like you play or like Travis plays like some of elite drummer plays It's like drums are so much. It's like it's so much more powerful now than ever before. Oh, I know man And then that thing happens. I don't know if you've ever been around like a like a drum circle The more drummers there are like all the sudden it just becomes this This thing it grows into this tribal like dude everybody's just being moved by rhythm. Yeah, and fuck it's so powerful It's like, you know, I don't know that that kind of it's it's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry Playing the piano playing the right chords. Right. I'll watch them cry Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's fine man. There's nothing but better than than rhythm man that's I live for that shit no I can tell I was getting trouble all the time and in school cuz I'd always be like always always did can you stop tapping on the tables yep sorry let's sit back then the back of class and be like making like water drip noises I was looking around for a leak class clown well there's something about drums it's like a part of like tribal culture like from the beginning of human time like people pounding on drums yeah they pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing you know there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship yeah you know to keep make sure everybody keeps pace it's kind of wild and that cool you know that they knew even back then there's something about the sound of drums that's important the heartbeat do you ever fuck around with bongos sure yeah that those a lot of handage instruments bongos congas I just the last couple years been playing a hand drum people call them a hang drum a hand drum you know them if you seen them they're like they look like a fucking flying saucer oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah really melodic really beautiful Zenny sounding instrument that's cool because it's percussive and melodic so you can come up with these really bitching depending on how the instruments tuned and stuff but that's been a lot of fun that that's cool like sort of a different kind of rhythm but it's it's a soothing one it's a total opposite of the aggressive shit right right right well I mean it must be fun since you've been playing drums for so long just experiment with different things I love that man that I'm always searching for a new sound you know a new percussive sound that moves you makes you fucking I don't know they could get inside you right I'm always on the hunt dude I'm such a tweaker like you know find something that sonically sounds like a drum it could be a drum it's not and I'll make it alternate into something sounds like a drum and all of a sudden you know that you know I don't know hitting on these L chords or something sounds like a woodblock but pitched way way down it sounds more sounds like a note going oh I don't know like I'm just I love I love percussion and rhythm so I'm always fucking around trying to find find something that moves us you know that's my job yeah that's correct I'm here to move you man it's a cool fucking job yeah I like it man it doesn't suck now it doesn't suck now when when you're working on a new song when you're creating a new song what is your process do you do you have a beat in your head do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you like how do you do it you know what it's always different I wish I could say I had like a a thing I really don't man like you know it'll be something that happened to me or something I'm experiencing will spark a word or a chant all the sudden you know then that I'll I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like oh this is killer or sometimes they come with a beat I'm like oh this is a fucking killer beat this would be great and then I'll start with a beat and then start then add guitars it's never really there's not really like a format I just kind of go with what whatever sort of inspiring me at the time that feel like a need to write about um yeah there's not really like a way I know a lot of people have a so methodical way like well I start with the lyric first always the lyric first nothing else is important okay dude now why don't we why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words actually no one's gonna like a true drummer no one's gonna even get to these fucking words if you can't get them to stay listening right right or to move it they're like oh this is nice right there's not to like it's not the key moment when you're like ooh this is before you've even heard of a lyric or a melody that's that's kind of my like my priority is like is it moving me yeah okay let's go it seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway yes because there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize right and having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better is gonna give you up more different results right instead of being that okay well it's gonna start to sound the same you keep using the same method yeah when you write do you write down on paper or do you just yeah yeah paper no do you ever write on computer or do you ever like just write in your own head you're just like I use a computer a lot too a lot for excuse me for demos that's a really quick way to you know where I can I can present a song to the band where you know fuck I play guitar saying drums bass so I'll I'll bring in demos that's totally created by you yeah just sound they sound finished you know it's like okay and then you know and we'll go from there so yeah I always try to like you know not not finish everything entirely because you know when you're in a band with three other guys who also create kind of leave it open for that but but yeah I'd use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded sort of produce them it's really beautiful that you know Motley crew hit in 1980 here we are 46 years later and you still love it I know that's so awesome isn't that correct that's what everybody wants in this life something that they're passionate about that remains a passion it stays and if anything grows as a passion still exciting still enticing still captivates you yeah 1980 the world was a different place I mean think about where we were in the universe in 1980 and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy which is spiraling through space like we've moved how many fucking million miles since 1980 I know that's what that's hard to think about you know if you ever seem what the you know we we always want to think about the sun being in the center of our solar system and the planet spinning around it yeah but if you're seeing what the whole solar system looks like like moving through space the whole thing's moving through space it's not stationary it's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around yeah and everybody else is just a fucking whole thing is hurling through space so in 1980 we were in a totally different spot in the universe that's crazy that is the world was different people were different information was different our version of reality was different everything everything was different fuck and you wrote it out from answering machines to painters to fucking sidekicks to iPhones to the internet everything like remember the Motorola brick phone oh yeah yeah dude you're a pimp if you have one of those look at it this is what it looks like this is see most people think our solar system looks like but this is what it actually is doing oh it's how our our solar system actually moves so look the sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space isn't that crazy where's earth there earth is with the third planet from the sun oh the blue one right there so just think about that how many rips yeah how many rips have we done since 1980 bro how we're in a different place in the fucking universe then we were in 1980 how far let's ask this how far has the solar system moved through the universe since 1980 let's ask perplexity that oh my god that this is one of the best uses of AI stupid information like yes yeah it is it is I'm gonna guess a hundred million miles just a wow guess I have no idea I might be off by a hundred million well let me see what it looks like roughly two to three I think a light years a trillion miles two to three light years through space okay how many miles is a light year put that in I didn't say mile right but how many miles is a light year I think it's a trillion oh yeah fuck we're going in. Oh, a light year is 5.88 trillion miles. Dude. Okay. Oh, think about that. Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley crew bust out onto the scene. Dude. Think of that. And a trillion is a thousand billion. Yes. A thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the Earth moved through? So it was like two to three. It was two to three light years. Okay. And each light year is how many trillion? 5.88. 5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly 15 plus trillion miles. Dude. We're old. It's fucked. I don't know about, I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled. We have fucking travel. Yeah. We have fucking traveled. Yeah. But that's that's a freaky thing to think about. How far? We're in a different place in the universe. Well, thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to. I don't know. Just to think about it. Dude, you know how many miles I've fucking traveled, bro. Yeah. 15 plus trillion. Trillions since Motley crew bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? That'd be nuts. It's fucking bizarre, dude. Like I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the the fucking I don't know the keys to the fucking pretty much anything you wanted to do. Try. What was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar? First thing I bought was it was my fucking dream car. It was a fucking 82 Corvette. Two top. Nice. Two tops popped out. What color? It was a champagne color. Oh, nice. Yeah. It's kind of silvery gold color. Yeah. Fucking rad, dude. Like all my. I don't know when you're in 82. The Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying. Because in 82, they were still dope looking. We pull up a 1982 Corvette. Yeah, they're still like. Mustangs look like hot dog shit in 82. They look fucking terrible. They look terrible. Camarels look like shit. Everything look like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope. Yeah, the like that's still dope today. That's the color I had. Look at that. That's the one. Look at that. Make that bigger. Look at that. That is a fucking dope car today. Yeah. It's one of the only American cars from 1982 that looks dope today. Like pull up a 1982 Mustang. This is a 1982 Mustang is going to make you want to vomit. I know a lot of people that are like fans of the fox body. Oh, no. Look at that. What is that? It looks like a bitch. Bro, that looks like a Gremlin. It looks like straight horse shit. That's whatever the fucking Russians did to us. Or really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is. That is fucking disgusting. That is so dude. Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. Pull up a 1969 Boss 429 Mustang. Put up the pinnacle. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that, motherfucker. Yeah, right. Look at that. Fucking look at the difference between 1969 and that fucking dog shit. 1982 extended. Look at that. Look at that. That's a real car. But they blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers from having drugs and they all make garbage except Corvette. Corvette still stuck with that style because Corvettes were fiberglass. So they weren't as limited in terms of like the shapes. You know, they had those cool, swervy lines to them and they kept those until oddly enough, the 90s. They started getting shitty in the 90s. Look at you dog. Yeah, there it is. Look at you dog. Wow, that's crazy. I wonder who's got that car. I don't know. Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette. Somebody they have to. You know, that thing's still running. Yeah, probably. Hopefully. Yeah. Well, there are a lot of those, they take them and make rest of them out of them now. They put like a modern engine and modern brakes and everything. So they handle better and modern suspension. Yeah. By immediately fucking me and my buddy just took that car and fucking put a fucking blower and injection on it. Just fucking insane, dude. In the glove box. This is before like now we have, you know, a bunch of super rad tuned exhaust, you know, uh, you know, straight pipe shit loud as fuck. This is before that. And we we made a couple of cutouts in the in the glove box. Like if the cops were to come, you just open the glove box and take these two. They're like choke lovers. And you pull them, pull them out and the flaps would just connect them and just go straight from the headers out and bypass the mufflers. So just be like, and if the cops are coming, you just push these two choke lovers in and back to the mufflers and I'll quiet. Yeah, they have switches for that now. Well, they don't know. It's like custom made cars. They've exhaust switches that do that, but they don't do it to that extent where it just goes straight pipes. Yeah. Yeah, that must have sounded. That must have sounded fucking amazing. So rad. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Like those are two things that are like completely connected forever. Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got, but I always wanted to was like the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh, yeah. The big fucking pipes blown right just out as fuck like four inch exhaust. Like, yep, dude, that shit's the roadie and just tiny little car, little fiberglass car. Yeah. Go cart with a 427 in it. Crazy power. No weight at all. It weighs nothing. Yeah, it just does burn out the whole time. Yeah, too much. I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts. Like, but it freaks me out. It's like, there's no protection here. If you get an accident, like, it's like nothing to this car. Yeah, you know, like you have no roof. You don't even roll bar. It's like just got this little tiny wind shield and you're you're behind the wheel of an engine, just a giant engine with four wheels. Yeah, you're done. Yeah, one bad move. Pretty dope. Yeah, super rad. Yeah, like one of those, like, look at that fucking dude. I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sick of shit radical looking. Look at the flared wheel. The thing is, too, they make a lot of recreations now. Yes, the old ones are worth like millions of dollars. I do. I know. Yeah, but you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing. Sure. There's a ton of recreations now and they're fucking great. And they look the same. And it's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money. But who fucking cares? It's going to drive it. It's awesome. Yeah, if you just look at that thing, bro, look at that. Carbon fiber. Oh my goodness. Look at that fucking thing. It's all carbon fiber. Oh, fuck. Let's go. Let's wait 14 pounds. Let's go get a couple, dude. Dude, who's making that? Click on that link. Who's making that fucking thing? Yeah, probably is. Well, I know, yeah, classic recreations. That same company that does those dope 67 GT500s. They're making a classic recreations. A thousand horsepower. Oh, dude. Due to waste 2,300 pounds, that's nuts. A thousand? But the body, the carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds. Unbelievable. It's 2,000 pounds of suspension, frame, and wheels, and engine. And that's it. Look at that. That's sick. That's so sick. That's just straight trouble right there. That's going to get in trouble. Yeah. We're not. We're just enjoying yourself. Just fun. Yeah. But it's America. Fuck yeah. Fuck. I love those cars. What else did you buy that? I know. Proposterous. Yeah. What else did you buy? That's nuts. Um, when they first came out, um, me and my bass player bought like almost fucking at the same time of the Ferrari had come out with the test Arosa. Oh, the Miami vice car. Totally dude. Yeah. Had a car broker find me a black on black one. Oh, man. Just like, fuck. Okay. This is insane. Those listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a fucking car for 200 at the time, $250,000 for the test Arosa. Get it shipped from it came in from from Florida to LA. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats as brand fucking new. Back it down the fucking car carrier. And I'm in the dudes kind of show me, you know, what's up? And I fucking, I look into the right of the steering wheel. There's like a like a looks like a cover. So I grab it and you open it up at that where the stereo would be. I open it up, and I go, where's the stereo? The guy goes, oh, Enzo believed that the music that you should be listening to is the sound of the engine. And I'm like, well that's fucking rad in everything, Enzo, but bro, I just spent the quarter of a million dollars, and I wanna fucking crank shit loud as fuck here and break in the speed limit. Like, come on, who does that? And so I had to go, I got a stereo. At the time, there was no subwoofers. There was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop, there's no room too. So you could get a bazooka tube behind the seats and some fucking, you know, for a subwoofer and some other speakers in the doors. And that's decent door speakers, decent. They're only decent back then. Yeah, and Alpine receiver, and I got it to bump, but I just found it fucking just shocking that like that much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo. - It's pretty ridiculous. - Yeah, but they did sound incredible. - And I totally get it. Like there should be a sound that those things make. This is just like, it's heavenly. - It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle car sound. The muscle car sounds my all-time favorite, but there's something melodic about those Ferrari and just, (imitates engine) - It's like a, oh, just like it. - Oh, there's a sound that it has. It's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road and just totally, you know, Bungerno. - Bungerno. (imitates engine) - Fuck yeah, man. - Fuck yeah, man. - Ugh, those things are, there's something special. And again, what is that? It's a piece of passion, it's artwork. It's artwork that's, you know, made into an engineering form. - Yeah. - That we get to play with. - Yeah, basically a race car. - Yeah, you know. - Like a friend of mine, we were talking about like Ferrari. You think Ferrari's worth it. I go, listen, man, rich people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. If Ferrari's weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one? - Yeah. - And I go, no, trust me, they're fucking worth it. Like yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not worth it, really, for a normal person. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that, the thing Ferrari fucked up on big time is that it took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up. - Yeah, that's it. - They fucked that up. Porsche's the only one who kept it. They're the only ones smart enough to realize, like there's a part of the experience that you got a fucking whaah, whaah, the gated shifter where you're clacking them in there in the Ferrari. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Bring it back. Cut this shit. - Yeah. - Guys, I'm just silly. - Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released? - Which one? - The Ferrari? - Oh, it's dog shit. - Dude. - That looks like a joke. It looks like something that someone made for just to get engagement online. Like it's fake, but it's real. - I know. I couldn't, I was like. - It looks as if there's 1982 Mustangs. - Yes. - It looks like a bar as a Ferrari electric car. - Oh yeah. - Look at it. - Look at it, dude. - It looks so boring. - What the? - And so nothing. - Yeah. - Look at it. And even inside, you're like, this looks like cheap dog shit. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't understand it. - I don't get it either. I thought it was like a joke. - I know. - You know, like you know. - Like look at this. It's got suicide doors. It's kind of dope. - That's kind of cool. - But you know what, it's really dope. On a 65 Continental, not on this fucking thing. - Ugly, ugly fucking monstrosity. - That's funny you mentioned that car. That's another one of my favorites. - Oh, 65 Continental. - Oh yeah. - Fucking. - I know a guy who's got one for sale. That's a RESTO mod and I'm fucking really thinking about it. - It's a 65 black convertible with the suicide doors and it's just new. - Dude. - It's mint. And it's got a new engine in it, like a modern engine. It's got fucking a perfect suspension and it looks so radical. - Oh. - There's something about that car, especially in a convertible. The 65. - The convertibles. - Ooh. - That's my jam. - Oh. - Good luck parking anywhere. - Yeah. - It might as well be parking a yacht. - It's like a fucking boat. - It's so big. It's so big. It's so big but it's so sick. It's just, I can't understand how Ferrari can make. Now, I want you to pull up a Ferrari 458 Italia. So I think the 458 is their masterpiece. I think it's the best looking Ferrari that they ever made. There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the 458, it's just, they nailed it. You look at that. Oh my god, look at that fucking thing. That is a work of art. It's so beautiful and it's, a lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. And you draw, it also doesn't have a manual transmission which sucks a fat dick but other than that. Go back to that last picture that you had of that one. Look at that one. Make that bigger. Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture. But god, it's fucking beautiful. Amazing design. - Those are beautiful. - Now, think of the company that made that, also made that, go to that black one right there where your cursor just was. Look at that one. Oh, bass. - So, look how sick that is. - Yeah. So from that, to that electric piece of shit you guys just released, fuck you for doing that. How dare you. - I bought an F8, the Tributo, which is very similar to that. And that fucking car is about us. Now, they make incredible cars, they make incredible, and somehow or another less douchey than a Lamborghini. I don't know how they did it. - Yeah. I mean, it's like, something about a Ferrari that you have when it's sophisticated, you know? - Yeah. - Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like, look at this douche bag, it's fucking like, you know what Lamborghini's are. Awesome. - Yeah. - They're awesome. But why are they like attached to, I guess because it's kind of like, I don't know, I don't know, maybe rappers or something started started. - I don't know, because they- - They started leasing homes too. It doesn't make any sense. It's like, there's something about them that's more ostentatious, it's more obnoxious. The doors, maybe just like, just too shall we. - I know, I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari, he's a rich guy, and he loves Ferrari, so I can't drive a Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just, I don't want, I feel like a douche bag. - Okay. - I'm like, okay. I know what you're saying. There's a real thing there, but I don't know why. - Yeah. - Because Lamborghini's are fucking amazing. - Yeah, they fucking too have an amazing sound. - Oh, yeah. - For Ferrari? - Exactly. - A higher wine year. - But sick. - But they bark, I mean. - Yeah. - Like, what is the latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that they just released last year that's, it's insane. It's as wide as a fucking trailer. - Oh. - It's huge. - Um. - X-Jit. - I don't know the name of it. I've never had a Lamborghini. - Yeah, me either. - A drove one once on a track, it was a little loose. - Which one's that? - Temerino. - Temerino. Temerario. - Temerario. - Temerario. - That looks amazing. - Whoa, dude. - Yeah. - Ooh. - Yeah, that's pretty. - Ew. - Yeah. - That one. Here we go. - Huracon. That's another sick one. - Oh, the Huracon, yeah. That's a little smaller and lighter, I think. - Yeah, dude. - It's also amazing. You give an 18 year old kid that kind of power in a car and you're still alive. And I know, I know, dude, fuck, yeah, those kind of cars will definitely check you, keep you in check, too, because it's not until, you know, over 100 miles an hour is getting closer to 200 miles an hour to where you're in that car and you're like, it hits you, you go. If I make one fucking tiny little error here, it's over. - It's over. - It's over. - Yeah. - The motor is in the fucking back. - Yep. - And this thing runs into off the road or whatever, it's just going to accordion right into me. - And you're done. It's kind of amazing. You just buy one. - You know what I thought about that now, like they have the new Corvette ZR1, it has a thousand horsepower. So you can just go into a Corvette dealership, if you got the cash, slap down some money and you have a thousand horsepower car that goes zero to 16, two seconds and you just go out there and like, bye. Just good luck. Be safe. - Yeah. Like, what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that? Like that, you just have to have a pilot's license to drive one of those things. - Totally. Or just, you know, race track only, whatever. - Right. - You're an 18 year old rock star, you know. - Here you go. - And back then, the Corvette's like yours, especially when you put a blower on it, those fucking things had no traction control. They had no anti-lock brakes. There's no nannies. There was nothing to protect you. - No. - It was just madness. - This is pure madness. Did you ever take it to a track or anything? - No, never did. - Have you ever driven around a track? You ever done that? - Yes. - That's fun. - Yeah, that is fun. I went to, I spent some time at the Skip Barber School. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - Yeah. And of course, the labor in me has to fucking learn about everything about apex and study. Like there's a lot of physical and technical things about driving. Oh yeah. If you don't understand about going into a turn at fucking 100 miles an hour, you're going to fucking die, you know, I was like, I was definitely going to spin out. Yeah. Learning how to do it was really interesting to me. It was really interesting to realize like the lines that you take, like you don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. Know you're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge and cutting the lines to make a quicker time and knowing when to break and knowing when you would accelerate. And it's so interesting. It's a lot, man. Very technical. Yeah. A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You think you're just kind of steering the car like no, no, no, no, there's a lot of decisions to be made. It's a lot going on, especially on a really windy turn, like this, that's what Coda looks like. That's the track. It's a circle of the Americas. And that one is like, there's so much turns and it goes along straight away, you could really fucking get after it. Right. Yeah. And it's not even about the acceleration. A lot of times it's about the breaking. Yeah. I mean, breaking and turning. Dude. But it's like, that's one of the things that I say like is really worth it about having money is like experiencing a great car because it's like an amusement park ride. Yes. Even if you're not even going fast, just driving normal speeds around. It's like if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine, it's like an amusement park ride. You know, it's not, it's not just, you're not just driving a car. You're, you're, you're experiencing something that, you know, the other people aren't, you're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car. You're not experiencing that. No. Yeah. No, no, you're just, you're just grooving on the emblem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they got you. Yeah. That could have been a Hyundai easily. Dude, I couldn't believe it. They did not do this. Well, I hope they rebound. Yeah. I hope they like smack somebody who made that and go, hey, bro, they will. I think one of the designers was one of the guys who was involved in the design of the iPhone and it fucking looks like it. No. If that's what's got, that's why it's got to look on the iPhone. Yes. No. That, and that guy's awesome. How did he do that? That started to make sense. I was like, okay. I would ask him before I even talked him about him, like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car? What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an escort, like, fuck you. Okay. Get the fuck out of there. Yeah. I have a Prius. Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit. Fuck you. Out of the design room. Yeah. You can't, you can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made an iPhone. You're going to make it look sleek and plain. Yeah. No, it's got to look like art, you mother fucker. Yeah. So it's paying a quarter million dollars for this thing. And now, a lot more, I think the electric car is, I want to say, three, three hundred and thirty. I bet they're going to sell two, right, two retards, two fucking super rich retards going to buy that fucking thing. Nobody going to spend $400,000 on this electric thing. Yeah. Meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking. Yeah. I know. What the fuck you guys doing? What is the latest one? What is the, what is their, their main one now? The sleek we can want to look at the advanced version of the four, five, eight. Like the one they have now. Like what is it called? Oh. SF. Oh. SF 90. SF 90? Yeah. SF 90. That thing's insane. Yeah. That's gorgeous. Yeah, dude. That's a gorgeous car. My favorite. How do they go from an SF 90? They're selling that at the same time as they're selling the Sunk of John. SF 90 is one of the best looking cars ever. Yeah. It's incredible. Full public picture. One of those, Jamie. I'm on the website. And if you, dude, if you've seen the bodies, I love the LaFarari, the body style and the LaFarari. Yeah. That's it. That's the one. Oh, dude. That's got some LaFarari in the S.N. Oh. So this is like all the cars they've ever made. I'm on their website. Yeah. Oh. No. No. No. That is gorgeous, man. That is gorgeous. Hit the, hit the LaFarari. Yeah. Dude. Look at that thing. Jesus. What is the F80? Click on the F80. Oh, my God. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Oh. When it says all models, they don't have the. When is it? When I was looking for, I was trying to find what. I went to the website to find the newest car. I know, but I think like some of them, it's not the newest car. Like, it might have been like last year or a year ago. Oh. Well, they would be sharing it somewhere on here. I would imagine. No, it's real, Jamie. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying. Okay. I'm just saying, just Google, um, pull up an image of Ferrari, 2024, Ferrari, uh, SF90. And you'll see it. There it is. That's it. Oh, the wing. That's, uh, that's one that's like primed for racing. But you go to images, please. There you go. That's it. Oh. Oh. So how does a company make that? Like, look how gorgeous that is. Yeah. That's incredible. It's so beautiful. I know. How does a company make that? And then that Johnny IV piece of shit. Fucking thing. There was like three, three dudes. One dude, like, I guess, designed the iPhone. And there's a cup. There's two other designers involved. They probably worked for Lamborghini. They're probably, they're probably spies. They probably, you know, they infiltrated and decided to like ruin it from the inside. Probably the same guy that made Billy Squires music video. Dude, that guy's got to be stopped. Fuck that guy. He's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire. I could do this to Ferrari. Yeah. I can thank them. I took Ferrari down. Yeah. With one, one whack ass. Like an electric car as I sold them a phone design. Yeah. Just, but, you know, that's what happens. Yeah. You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart. Yeah. That are artistic around that are going to look at that and go, hey, hey, hey, hey. No. Yeah, no, go. What's with all the yes, man? There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing? I don't know how to fuck that. Who signed off on that? Ever got Greenlit by someone at Ferrari. Yeah. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made and then look at that one and goes, up on that thing. Yeah. Up on Faction only. No, nobody was doing that. I don't get it. No. But, you know, companies make blunders. Yeah. You know, every now and then a band puts out a shitty record. You know what? It happens. It happens. It happens. I mean, Ferrari's still Ferrari. They'll bounce back. Yeah. Guys. They can always go, hey, we're not on the electric car business. Okay. We fucked up. Well, that's what they probably should. Most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want them. You know, like the porches, the tie cans, like those outies, like the outie ones that are just like a couple of years old, you can get them for like half price. Yeah. Nobody wants them. I know. Nobody wants electric cars, especially use electric cars. Yeah. That's weird. It is. But if you think about it, like electronics, we think of it as disposable. Right? You think you don't want to buy someone's phone from 10 years ago. No. Right? So you don't want to buy a Tesla from 10 years ago, either. No. Right? Be more, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. Get a 10-year-old Tesla. It's a fucking awesome car. Yeah. But you don't want it. Yeah. People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new. Yes. With engines. That's a different story. Yeah. You know, like a 2005 Porsche is still very valuable. People love those things. Oh, yeah. Those things have gone through the roof lately, like the Porsche's. Yeah. There's no so many guys that are just like buying them up, collecting them. Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb, people like they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars. The actual experience of it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's like as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music and everything, people are going to want to see live performances more. You know? No doubt. Yeah. I think they want that experience, the experience of like raw live. Something that makes you feel alive. Something all about the experience, man. All about it. Are you guys are touring again? Yeah, coming up. Mid-July. We're out. How fucked up pumped you for that? A couple months. I was pumped because of actually we've been home. We did this big stadium tour with Deaf Leopard. One all around the world. That tour was fuck two and a half years long. Wow. Like dude, that's insane. So. And I started to realize I'm like fuck. I can't remember the last time I've been home. Like with a with a break. Like we intentionally were like let's just fucking take a year or more than a year off. And it wasn't until 2016 was the last time we had like taken a take in a break. So for me, it's just been fucking wonderful. I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home. Now going into summer now, we're getting ready to go back out. But just having that time at home was really fucking cool. So I'm super pumped. The grass is always greener dude. When you're out there ripping it, you're like, "This is fucking red." And then after a while, you're like, "I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed." And then when you're at home too long, you're like, "Dude, I gotta get out of here." You know, "I gotta go do the shit." So it's, I don't know, it's a weird balance, you know, you're happy until it's too much, and then, you know. Well, it's just achieving the balance, but it's awesome that you still love it so much after all these years. Oh, man. It really is. Dude, let me just tell you, there's nothing better than, "Imagine, let's trade places for a second." You're back there, you're playing drums, and you've been doing this for a while. Long enough to see this is the fucking best in the world. You see, your fans, all of a sudden, your fans have had children. Now, their children are on the shoulders of their fucking parents, who were your fans. Now, they're bringing their kids to the show, and their fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going, "Shout! Shout with the fucking devil horns up!" And you're like, "You're sitting there going like, 'Dude, that kid,' what is he fucking, 10?" And he's just fucking, you know, and just air drumming. Yeah, just to see that you've sort of, you know, you've, I don't know, just you've done a full circle to where now it's the whole other generation that's just now seeing this for the first time. And they're fucking, and you're sitting back there playing and they're like, "That's pretty fucking incredible." It's pretty fucking incredible. That doesn't get old, man, to watch that happen is probably why the become the reason why I love it so much. That really puts a fucking nail in it, you know what I mean? Fuck it, that's like, then that can only be achieved through time, right? So, that's nothing I've ever experienced until recently, the last few years, you look out and you see a whole bunch of kids, man, and they're all just checking it out for the first time, maybe? For sure, some of them, right? And you're like, "Dude, fuck, this is wild!" "Wild!" That's awesome, man. Yeah, that's beautiful. Brother, you've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing ride, and I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much. Thanks, bud, and thank you, man. Thank you for being here, man. It was really cool. Dude, really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me, man. My pleasure, my pleasure. I've been wanting to come by and see you and come hang out and talk shit. I'm glad we did it. Yeah, I'm glad we did it. All right, thank you. I love you, buddy. I love you too, brother. [BLANK_AUDIO]