#2519 - Scott Eastwood

[MUSIC] >> The Joe, Rogan, experience. >> Shroom by day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. [MUSIC] >> It's Kade, good to see you brother, what's happening? You know, back in the seat, back in the hot seat. >> Looking good, dude, look at you handsome bastard. What's this box? This is the best supplements on the planet, sourced from Japan, America, and Switzerland. North Performance, Dr. Masi, do you know him as a Stanford doc? He started the company, I'm involved, I'm getting, you know, heavily involved in the ownership of it, and I'm excited about it. It's a one, you take it a day, like one satchel. It's got all the, all the shit, you know? >> So it's like a pre-pack? >> It's a pre-pack. >> Ooh, I like pre-packs, yeah, one in duck. >> I don't like to think, exactly, do you mean pre-pack? >> Yeah, yeah, I like, I take purers now. I take pure encapsulations, they have those little men's, ultra packs or whatever it's called. >> Yep. >> I take those every day with a bunch of other shit. >> Yeah. >> I'll try your stuff, though. >> Okay, check it out. >> So what's so special about these vitamins? >> You know, it's just, it's more for the person who's like, wants to excel in training. So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines, and then one supplement? >> It's big, you'll see, that's it. >> Okay, pull that bitch out, let's go, let's go, let's go. >> By the way, this is not an ad. I mean, I guess it is for Scott. But it's like, we didn't know you're involved in your aging. >> I know, but I just want people to know that like, >> Yeah. >> I talk about cool shit regardless of whether or not it's an ad. And if it's something's gonna be an ad, I have to approve it. >> Ooh, look at you. >> You need a knife. >> Yeah, let's bust it out. >> Montana knife company, son. >> There you go. >> If we're cutting elk. >> That's a scanner boy. >> Okay. >> Look at that sucker. >> Shave that dog, teach it to hunt. >> The best knives. >> Okay, yeah. >> All right, supplements. So how long have you been involved in the whole supplement thing? >> No, I've always taken them. >> Oh, it's all in powder. >> Yep. >> Whoa. >> But try dry scooping that, you're gonna choke the death. >> That's a lot of powder. >> A lot of powder? >> I believe, okay. Now, at least I'm more convinced. >> Yeah. >> 'Cause there's a lot of volume here. >> Yep. >> Obviously, there's a lot of stuff. If you took every vitamin that I take every day, and you busted them up and put them into a water form, it would be like this. >> Exactly. >> So it's 70 plus vitamins in there. And that's the biggest thing, right? Like efficacy and quantity. You need the right amount. >> Did you just mix this with waters at how you do it? >> Yep. Mix it with a big water. And then you just don't have to think about it. 'Cause I was doing so many a day, as you probably are. >> Yeah. >> It's like, oh, dude. >> Yeah. >> Right under that one. Oh, I gotta wear that. >> So you're involved in this company. Did you guys ever send the stuff out for third-party testing? Do you ever do that? >> It's totally a third-party testing. So my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it essentially for himself. He was like, I want the best of the best. He's like 55, but he's an adventure athlete. And he's like, I want the best of the best. I don't care what it costs. And he's like, wait a sec. I think I can make a business out of this. So that's where I'm at. >> Good for you, dude. >> Okay, so for people at home, what's the name of the company again? >> North Performance. And is there a website they can go to? >> Yep, we're just launching it. It's going to be on subscription-based. Come to your house every month. >> Oh, nice. >> Don't just think about it. >> Oh, I like not thinking. >> Yep. >> You got me. Got me hooked already, son. All the things. Volumes, so I'm believing in it. >> Yep. >> You know, when I know if you're a very reputable and ethical guy, I don't know if you're involved in something, it's going to be legit. Anyway, so that's cool to know. How long have you been taking supplements? You've been a vitamin guy forever? >> Yeah, you know, I cycle in and out like anything. >> Yeah. >> My non-negotiables typically are fish oil, vitamin D, I take MNN or NAD, and then glutathione. My dad was always a massive glutathione guy. >> There's a lot of real health benefits to glutathione. >> I think especially liposomal glutathione, which I think more available. >> Available. >> Available, absorbable. >> Yep. >> That's awesome, dude. Good for you. I think, and don't listen to your doctor. If you have a doctor like I had, my doctor said, "All you need is a balanced diet." Most of those vitamins are just going to pee out. And I looked at him, like, "Dude, you look like shit." I didn't say it. >> You thought it. >> But I'm trying to be nice. We just had a pop belly. Like this is crazy. You have zero muscle. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And you're telling me about balanced diets. Like this is bananas, dude. And now that I've looked back on it, he was probably, how old I am now, you know, and he looked like shit. >> There's a lot of doctors that don't understand that if you want to optimize your health, it's not about what the 100% of the, you know, USDA or whatever it is, the requirements, like, there's real science on what the right doses are. And you can find it. It's just complicated. You got to go online and you got to go, "What's the optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above vitamin D, are there benefits of having a high level of vitamin D?" >> Sure. >> If you really want to do it right, you should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over your blood. Fortunately, we have waist to well in town, so I do it with them. They go over your blood. They'll actually make you a vitamin that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all in pill form, tell you how many to take a day, and they'll send you like a bag of vitamins. It's amazing. I've been actually thinking about doing that test, because there are certain doctors that will tell you your blood type will dictate what you should be eating, and I've never really got that done, or no, and I know certain people just are like, "This is a game changer." >> I wonder how much of that is voodoo. You know? >> It might be a little voodoo. >> It kind of makes sense, though, if your ancestors came from a specific part of the world, you know what I mean? We know that's the case with alcohol. People whose ancestors came from a society, yeah. Both societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, particularly Native Americans, at a really hard time with it, because they just weren't built to metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as a part of their world. I guess if you're in a part of the world where your ancestors ate mostly meat, I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits right in there, and it's come from a place where they ate a lot of specific kinds of grains. I would wonder how much of that stuff is real, like blood type versus what food you should eat. Because everybody eats proteins, amino acids, vitamins, and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables and meat and food, and fish, and eggs. >> I mean, if you're looking at the blue zone, they essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet. They don't just eat red meat, but they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat, and they do drink wine, and they sort of have this diet that is kind of a bunch of everything. And there's a bunch of other factors as well, purpose, physical activity, physical activity, community. >> I think a big one with all these blue zone people is they're just eating real food. That's the real problem. People need to truly get into their head as the majority of the American diet as delicious as it tastes is like it's bad for you. It's actually bad for you. It's not good for you. Real food is good for you. If you go and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado and a nice salad and the glass of sparking water, that's actually really good for you versus if you go and have a fucking jack-in-the-box double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries. That's poison. >> It's poison. >> It's delicious poison. >> I will say, I just got back from Europe. My body there feels so much better, and I eat pretty healthy, okay? I eat healthy here, and I eat pretty healthy there. >> Yeah, everybody has the same story. >> So what's going on? >> It's our food. Our food's bad. There's a guy who broke it down, remember that dude with cowboy hat, Jamie? Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all-day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. Maybe it's Mavilane, remember that cat is a really good at breaking down nutrition facts? He broke down what-- >> The gluten is. >> What? >> The glyphosate, right? >> It's bromine. There's a bunch of other compounds. There's a bunch of preservatives. All that stuff is, again, bad for you. And all these people that live in Italy and live in these Mediterranean die places, what are they eating? They're eating food, actual food, real food. >> But it's not just that. It's like the way the dairy's processed, right? So I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple of times ago and you're up. And I asked, I said, "Why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America?" And they're like, "Well, first off, the process of making this cheese is like four to six hours in the morning every day and it gets the lactose out. Whereas we just slap it in and send it out." And it's like, "That's not what you're saying." >> It's also raw cheese. So I bought a house from this guy who was from France, a really cool guy. He was a doctor. Very interesting, dude. I got to know him, got to become friends with him. And he would smuggle cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California, 2003. - Oh really? - Illegal to bring that cheese into America 'cause it was raw. It hadn't been all the biology and it hadn't been killed. - Okay. - So like when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes, you're getting it, and people could say, "Oh, you are you a baby cow?" You should be, like it's really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats, milk fat, it's good for you, it tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized, pasteurized milk, your body's like, "What is this?" Like this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months, that's crazy. If you get raw milk, I get it on a Saturday by Wednesday or Thursday, it gets a little sketch. It starts stinking, that's the cat. So this dude, listen to the person that the guy says. So he's talking to this guy. - I think he'll be in peace. - This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in New York. - I don't know. - America. - I can't eat it. - That's because in America, what we call bread, can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain in germ or the fiber in nutrients to make flower shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize, therefore many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromide, which has been in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted a ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now your bloated brain fog, tired and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat, soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread, this is. - Shout out to this guy, his name is Denny Doerr. Denny, D-E-N-Y, underscored, D-U-R-E, on Instagram. - Let's get it. - Fuck with the audio there, 'cause that song will. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So what I get for that, and I have seen this, actually. - Damn it. - It's just essentially pure greed. - Yeah. - Keep bread shelf stable for longer. - Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf stable stuff that in the problem is it was green lit, right? So the problem is whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RFK Jr. came in and said you have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals. And they were saying, this is gonna ruin our business. And he was like, you already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada, because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes. The same cereal, they make it in the United States. And it looks not as good, 'cause it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes that give you fucking cancer. But the reality is, it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They fucking hire lobbyists. They hire lobbyists, they get their guys into the FDA, they get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected. And then we keep eating dog shit and we keep getting poisoned. And you go to Italy and you have a spaghetti and you feel great. You don't feel like you got shot with a tranquilizer, Dart. It's kind of amazing. And there's Dart in your neck man. We've talked about it so many times, you go over there and you're like, why am I living the way I live? These people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette, laughing. That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I don't understand. It's just like that gets lumped into that. It's like, no, that's for the betterment of society. Yeah, what? Like why is that a thing? And we live in a weird world, man. A world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideologies. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like when I was a kid, we used to go to the health food store. My parents were hippies and they would buy like whole wheat, bread, and they would try to buy organic food. And that was the thing on the left. Avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because it's all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Jr. There's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody. Because somehow or another, they have this connected to some right-wing anti-science position. Like, God, you guys are getting brainwashed. We should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food. We were not doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fatdest fucking people on earth, while also being the most wealthy country. Yeah, a group think is like a crazy thing. It's like, it's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping onto something they've been told or is in their echo chamber or whatever, you know what I mean? I like to think no matter what issue it is, I'm like, okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kind of look at both sides. Maybe there's like, and maybe there's some in between. Let's, both things can be true. Yes, for sure, and that's a problem if you, if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying and you're rejecting that, because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for everybody. Like, I think the group think that we have to all really align with is the group think of being open-minded, being actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas and also recognize that you are not your ideas. Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. You are you. And if you really want to have a stable you, you want to be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to ideas. You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't based on information, based on the reality of whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter is. But the reality is like, you can't be married to your ideas because they'll fuck you, they'll fuck you over every time. It's like it's not going to work. You have to be flexible and you have to be willing to say, even though I hate this guy, he's right about that. It's very important. - It's okay to be wrong. - Yeah, it's okay to go ahead. - It's okay to go ahead. - It was wrong when he said he lies about a lot of things. But that thing that he's saying is actually true. - Well, here's an even to go even a little more, maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about is they divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitch forks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice and a team, that's when you're like, well, fuck that. They're taking your money, they're paying all these taxes, we're doing these things. And we actually don't have a choice, but maybe that's the reason that there's these teams, red and blue. And it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions, the big money. - Yeah, well for sure, they benefit from people being at each other's throws. They benefit from culture war stuff. They benefit from people arguing over whatever it is, pride, month, or whatever it is. Black lives matter, they benefit-- - Right, right, right, people up. And then people are thinking about this and this instead of, hey, like this is actually going on. - Yeah. - I'm talking about that. - Yeah, I mean, look, every time there's, I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing, like right afterwards. (laughs) - That's the real power, right? - That's what they do. - It's a good move, it's a good move to distract people. 'Cause otherwise that shit's gonna stay in the news cycle until something big happens. So you gotta make something big happen. Yeah, it's a, we're involved in a game and we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place and vote for people that have similar values. That's not the game they're playing. The game they're playing is, let's pretend that we care. Let's pretend that we wanna fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have health care. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're a good percentage of 'em or demons. They're just sociopaths completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are gonna have on people's livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't give a fuck. They care about their own career and they wanna keep on trucking until they become the king of the country. And that's what they're trying to do and that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that. And then there's real good people that get involved in politics as well. Boy, we need them to make us feel better. This episode is brought to you by Blue Choo. I'm sure you've heard of Blue Choo by now. But let me tell you what they've been up to. They've been on a mission to get you bricked up for years and now the number one brand for better sex. 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I was like, "Do you think that maybe that's just to cause for division?" If you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth, when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000 foot level. It's like, you're getting riled up about an idea, about a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth. Like, you're letting that affect you. Right, and it's not affecting your real life, but you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue, but it isn't an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying so many hours. I know. I couldn't think about it. I was thinking about it. I was like, you're this, especially, you know, billionaire and you're upset about that and I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that instead of a million other things we could talk about or think about. Yeah. It was interesting. Well, it's, it's always been a tool. As much as we like to say, no, these are real issues that we face. We really have a real cultural issue that we have to, I get it. That's true. But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by. To find and conquer art of war. Yeah, I mean, it's the from maybe any. Yeah. And it's important. And it's one of the beautiful things about our country is that we have two parties. So it's so easy to do because it's just good guys and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys in between reasonable guys that are pragmatic. We know how to kill folks. I like them. Let's go to the, let's go to that side. Let's go to the discipline side. But no, it's like you, you can only be on the right or on the left. And if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that, you know, have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues and you get lumped in with white nationalists. You get wiped in, lumped in with Christian nationalists. I think that the Ten Commandments should be in every school and no one should be able to practice any other religion as a Christian, Christian country. There's people that really believe pushing that. That you get lumped in with them too when you're just like, "Hey, I think the second amendment's important." You know, like, "Oh, you must be a far right wing conspiracy theorist." Like, "Oh, come on." Like, you can't always count on the cops. You know, you should be able to protect yourself because bad people have guns. It's that simple. It doesn't mean you're going to use them all the time. Like, this is crazy. You could kill people with a variety of different methods. You know, you don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women or women. You have to. There's a whole bunch of. Like, they're kind of moving away from that now. In a big way, they're moving away from the competitive thing, like with trans women competing in school athletics. Because it's like after a certain amount of fucking championships, you know, you just got to go, "Hey, come on guys." That's a guy. That's a guy. You can fight a woman. Be sweet. Those people always exist. But also, you're letting them into the women's room. And now you get a pervert, so just say they're trans. And then go in the women's room too. Like, you didn't think about this. The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the most hated and the most, like, looked out, like, make sure that they don't come near you. Psychopathic perverts. Like, psychopathic perverts that prey on men, guys that want to go in women's bathrooms, guys that want to grab women after bars, those guys have always been terrifying. And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a fucking old school pervert and you're 80 years old. You're like, "Fuck, I missed the boat." Yeah, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of creepy shit. Pretending you're a woman. I think we should just be able to hunt them. Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep. Real perverts? Yeah. The thing is, like, child molesters. Yes. No problem. Just let's go hunt them. Well, they're broken. And I don't know how you could ever think you're going to fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles, they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons. Which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. You have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore all kinds of great. Like, what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs? They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to be deemed as being racist. They don't want to be deemed as being Islamophobic. Okay. Yeah. That breakdown of culture and because of some very extreme groups, it's pretty scary. It's scary. It's super scary. It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too. And if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist. You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care. And we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations that have different plans and their plans are to take over cities. There's plans are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about with Tim Dillon what happened with Dearborn Michigan. All these like liberal people are like, yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing. So they got a Muslim mayor. And the first thing he did is like no more pride flags. It's chit's illegal because he would like a sharia law. Like if you asked the majority of practicing Muslims like worldwide, how many of them would like sharia law? And it's not a small amount, you know, that's their religion. But the problem with that is like you can't push that on other people. If you want to have your mosque and you want to pray five times a day wonderful, you should be able to do that 100%. Everyone should appreciate the fact that there's also some different ways of worshiping God. Great. I don't know who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking over and putting in values that first of all degrossed women. Yeah, grossly deteriorate women's rights. Grossly. That's bad. That's when it falls apart. And that's their culture. And you have to understand that that's they've accepted when they're wearing those traditional headgarbs and body coverings, that's their culture. And they want women to dress like that. And you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like you should be able to do it if you want to. But the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have the same sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights that we have where you can wear whatever you want to wear, practice whatever religion you want to practice. And you shouldn't be persecuted one way or the other. Yeah. But when you get a country like England, it's just let's them in mass migration. And then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder like, are they wanting the society to deteriorate to the point where they can say, Hey, we're going to make new laws to protect you because you need to protect. So you have some master valence everywhere, more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts. I've been hearing about that. It's more than China, more than Russia, more than Russia and China combined. It seems it seems as if, you know, the grab for power is just, you know, done in plain sight now. Yeah. And I hate to say this, but they don't have the second amendment. It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is you're not armed. So like when shit goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know, and what are you going to do? I'll get together with shovels. What are you going to do? Grandpa's got a bird gun. Let's go. Grandpa's bird gun. What are we doing? Get grandpa's bird again. That's no way to keep the police out of your town. Yeah, it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're going to come out on the other end of this. But it's going to be real hard with this right, right versus left bull shit. No, well, but you know, you know, not to like to your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people. And you've pulled in like almost I was thinking about the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a chat GPT now and say, can you tell me about this thing that, you know, and then they'll, oh, would you want to hear to our podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of sets and such. And that's pretty cool because in it expands people's mind much easier than having to, you know, go and read about something. You know, that's an interesting point. Well, I think it's people stimulated. That's great. But the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young. And I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly. And not also like, you know, giving them something that excites them and giving them something that they they can understand why it's important to be interested in something like why I can benefit you, how it can stimulate you, try new things out like, oh, this is exciting. I feel better like feel good like people like tasks. They like that. We should be taught that from the time we're young instead, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers. You know what's interesting is I so I turned 40 in March and I decided I was going to take the year off. So essentially 39 to 40, right? Because I've been working head down for 20 years, hadn't looked up, living out of suitcase, movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I thought it would make me, it would give me better perspective. It would maybe whatever you know, where's the where am I going in the next 10 years kind of my thinking. and I actually got more depressed. (laughing) I was like, "Wait, what the fuck is going on?" I feel more depressed and it kinda just goes back to, just stay busy, get up and do shit. - Well, the thing is, you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love and that is a gift. That's a real gift. We're both very fortunate in that regard. And anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, be keep being carpentry, you're doing what you love, whew, you're so lucky. - Create, go out and create, don't take, be a creator. In anything, like, if you're a plumber, whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes, have a purpose, and create, don't take, there's takers and there's craters. I was actually listening to Pog guys, and the guy said that and I was like, yep, that's it. If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think, 'cause you're giving society something you didn't have. - Yeah, there's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah, and that's good for you, for sure. And I think unfortunately, look, I don't want the responsibility being the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about. - Oh, you're not the only person. - I mean, no, of course you are, you are. - I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and get you interested in things should be in schools. Instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and map down their throats, give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool shit. So, show them cool shit where they realize like, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting. You know, it just has to be something you're interested in. And then they'll realize like, oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something instead of just being a cog in the wheel, like most people feel. Most people feel like, fuck, the economy sucks. I just got to get a job and then you just get home and you just want to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs. And then next thing, you know, you're 35 and you don't know what the fuck you're doing and you're stuck, you know, and that's a lot of people. A lot of people listening to this right now. It's 'cause they were never instructed how to think about things. They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in. - Go into the thing, get the job. - Encourage that curiosity. Whatever it is, man, being a fucking car mechanic, whatever thing you're interested in, there's gotta be a thing. You just gotta find that fucker. - You can get good at anything. - Yeah, and that will produce money. I also part of the problem is culturally, I think we place too much value in like becoming rich and, oh, you gotta do this. And it's like, no, no, no, hold on. Don't miss the point, get good at something and you'll, that you love and then that will produce. If you get good enough in anything, you'll make money on it. - For sure, but the problem is like with kids, it's everything today, they want it fast, really fast. They want ozemic, right? They don't wanna go on a diet. They wanna get, you know, whatever it is, fill in the blank with whatever thing that they wanna get real fast with, scams, crypto, anything they're gonna get rich quick. Whatever they gotta do to get rich quick. Because it's like this TikTok mind culture where people just want that easy quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work. When you think about a job or going down a career path, like acting, for instance, like what you did. First of all, you did it. You would think, oh, great, Clint Eastwood's is dead. He'll help him. - No, fucking, I made it worse for him. - It did. - People are like, nah. - You gotta prove that you are a really good actor for like a long time for people to go, oh yeah, Scott's actually really good. Like, because it's always gonna be your Clint Eastwood's kid. - Oh yeah. - You know, and then he didn't fucking help you. But like, your grind was, I know you. Your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and putting in the work. Most people see that and they go, wait, how long is it gonna take? - What? - 14 years. - 20 years? What? Like, when we talk to comics, that's a big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like, most comedians say a comic 'cause they even really comic 'til 10 years. - 10,000 hour rule, right? - I don't know if that's real. - There's something to that. There's something to reps for sure, but I think intention is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time. - Yeah. - I think you're just mailing it in in the gym. - Yeah. - It's not the same as, yeah, I'm gonna build this or get really good at that. - Yeah, 100%, especially skills related things. Like Jiu-Jitsu is a perfect example of that. Jiu-Jitsu, 100%, you get better the more you do it, but 1000%, if you drill correctly, and you have like mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques, like you really truly understand, like leverage points where you're supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, when there's escape, when there's no escape. If you don't understand that, you're just rolling around and just like resisting hard with people. And you'll get somewhere, so you won't get nearly as far as you will get with focused, really systematic, breaking down of techniques. So it's like the 10,000 hour thing is, it's there's something to it, the more you do it, the better you'll get. But really it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do. That is as if not more important than the time. Like it's about enthusiasm, it's about enthusiasm and your willingness to like look at it as objectively as possible. And especially if you're like with Jiu-Jitsu's the thing, it's like your ego's involved, 'cause you don't wanna get tapped out and you don't wanna get humiliated. And so you don't wanna try things, so you keep a tight game, and you never grow. And your ego actually holds you back by that. And telling people that it's gonna take that long, if you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, oh god, it's too much work. - Well, also I think the thing you realize, as your ego gets stripped from you doing Jiu-Jitsu, is that you realize, like done matter, what level I'm at, there's always gonna be, thousand more guys above that level that will still choke me out. And you realize how much, how like, you're like, no, I kind of am a pussy. I'm not as tough as I, you know, you know now. You really know. - Well, I really know because I work for the UFC. So, I'm always around like every week, a dozens of guys are gonna kill me. And there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like, there's levels to levels. When a guy like Ilya Tapuri knocks out Max Holloway, like, whoa, and then Justin Gagey beats up Ilya Tapuri, like, whoa, it's like there's so many guys out there. You have to be humble. And it's good for you. It's good for you to not be delusional. But what my point was, for young people, they have to get interested in the path. It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long-ass time and try to keep getting better at it with every day, every effort you put into it. Do it, whatever the fuck you're doing. Do it to try to get better at that thing. And eventually success will come. You're gonna have to manage that success. You're gonna chase it. You're gonna have to figure things out. But the most important thing should always be the path. - That's true. - Yeah, I think that's it. In everything, in anything you do. If you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be, I'm gonna sell a million copies. It's gotta be, I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's ever been read. But I also think we need to push because of this whole like quick money and thing. The morals and codes people have are not taught enough to young people. Do the right thing. When you say you're gonna do something, be there. When you make a promise, do it, complete it. Don't just, people just are so happy and this culture of whatever fuck down, we can just do whatever we want. It's like that's fucking terrible behavior to put out to young people. You know, you gotta have a code and a value system. That's my dad, I mean, he was so, you make a promise. That's all you have in this life is your word. So it's like, you gotta do something. You gotta like. - Your dad should have been president. Why didn't he run for president? - 'Cause he did politics. He did, I know he was a mayor of Carmel. - Yeah. - And then he said, never fucking again. 'Cause he didn't tell us. It's people like-- - It would've been a fun president though. (laughing) - It would've been, you know. - I don't know if I would've liked it though, then it would've been like everyone. - No, everyone would've-- - Everyone would've come after me for no reason. - Bro, you would've been Don Jr. (laughing) - Oh Jesus. - You would've been in the box. - Roped up in the sub crypto scheme. - Everybody would hate you. - Making billions. - Yeah, geez Louise. Yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either if I was him. But, you know, like when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people were like, finally. Finally, a guy who like is good at acting. (laughing) I mean, that's kind of what the president is. It's a role. Part of it is a role. Like you're playing a leader. And the way you behave, it's like you have to, it's very formal. The way you communicate, it's very formal, you know. And actors are gonna be better at that, you know. Like Josh Brolin, that guy could be the president. 100%. That dude could kill it as the president. - He looks like a president. - Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie? - Yes. - That's right, he played Bush. - Yeah, he could be president. You know? (laughing) - I know they tried to get the rock to run. - Yeah. - I think he was thinking about it. - Yeah, not really. much. He told me, "Fuck this." Or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kinda, he was telling me he was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna do it." He's very smart with social media. He's a wizard at that stuff, but I think he's too smart to run for president. But in a crazy way, get that giant ass pro wrestler. Get that guy. He should be our president. At least we know that our president could fuck off all the other presidents. I'll be nice. Now that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version. It's like, "Okay, you gotta be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of, like, fight or some sort of physical, like, competition. Because you can't just be, you know, you gotta be athletic, you gotta be. That would be cool. We should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms. Anybody who wants to be president, that'd be good. You do seven grams of mushrooms. We film it. We do it in a dark room with infrared cameras, or, you know, night vision cameras. We know how you handle God, but also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways, right? Yeah. Well, also, I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that like, there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it, and then you have it, and you'll never think any differently again. You're always gonna be like, "Okay, there's a part of this that's not real." No, I trust me. I did the, I did five MEO, and it was, I mean, I was some life-changing stuff. Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, "Oh my God, I killed myself." Yeah. Like, I'm not around anymore. Yeah. And I think what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again. Like, the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind. I mean, I cried. I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it. And I was like, "I'm just so uncomfortable after about five seconds, but the case comes." Like, I could cry on the couch. Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro? You had some bastard. Get off her. But it was powerful. Well, your, your ego is completely shattered after that stuff. And you probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to hug a human. Yeah. And it's the, the feeling of it is so, like, you're a part of everything in the universe. And there is no, there's no, like, particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. And no one ever has ever done it and go, "I didn't think it was that big of a deal." Like, everybody who does is like, "Wow." Yeah. Like, I've known, I know a few prominent, right-wing people that have done it. They've completely changed their life. A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names, but then they want to talk to me about it. And they're like, "Yeah, so I'm a different person now. Whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore." Like, that's, that's because once you know, once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe and it's like all the molecules, everything everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something. Yeah. It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration and it kind of made- it actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so dealing with so much pain or dealing with such a rigid thinking or whatever it is that it could help them. And I was like, "Oh man, that is sad." The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know, I see like grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses and they talk about psychedelics. And when I was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool. You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were trying to just enrich your experience in life and have a better perspective and ego death and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed. It comes up all the time. So the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think it's because of the internet. I think it's really- it really started to change where I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. And it was even before social media because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences and people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular. But then all the parents make kind of stuff that he was talking about DMT and LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all this stuff started getting out there and then YouTube. And with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, "Whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist." Like what is he talking about? He's running a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind? Like what? And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it and they often do. And so that's just a loan gives me hope because I feel like that's a big change in how people view something. Well, was it, and I don't exactly know the history, but I've heard, was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress weed use? The alcohol lobby has. Did they also go to the psychedelics as well? They haven't yet. No. Well, I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized. But the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake. The diminished alcohol intakes measurable. It's like they cost the money. It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies. Explain. Yeah. They lobby prison guards unions. They lobby. There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws keep them on the streets so they can keep locking people up. Sure, because that's a massive business, right? Yeah, their business is keeping people in cages, which is really fucking crazy. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. It's really crazy that someone is who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. And get locked up for something that no. No violent crime. Yeah, and especially marijuana. Most Americans don't think that it should be illegal. It's a large number. It's more than 70%. What amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal? Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into perplexity. See what the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. Legalized. Yeah. What do you think about it? It's all drugs being legal. It's a tough argument because for sure, you're going to lose some people. If you make all drugs legal, look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going to go by heroin. I'm not by infantile. All right. I'm not into math. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up math, I'm not going to pick it up. But some people will 70% 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general according to recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89%. US adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal. And those people need to try it. So look, I'm actually pot never agreed well with me. And I think I have I always I got a little scared and paranoid sometimes where I was like, maybe I have like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenic or something. I was like, Oh, I don't this isn't I was like, I don't like this. This made me kind of go skyco schematic and so it did it just make you scared or did it like distort reality for you in a way that was. No, I don't I don't know if it distort reality. It just got my brain, you know, got my brain so freaked out about things that were out of my control. That's the part I like. Now I can see why because like, you know, mushrooms, they make you face some things that you're going on in your life. Yeah. And I think that's healthy. I don't know. Pot just never agreed with me. I think what I like about it is when it wears off. I like I like that fear. I like like Joey Diaz says, uh, go meet the devil. I think there's some benefit to freaking out because then it calms down and you have more perspective. But I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things you can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis. You got to kind of put your blinders on and keep on trucking. Sure. And then marijuana is like, what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of? And you're like, oh! But I will say, as you know, important, like before the the frontal cortex is like fully developed because it is some danger for young men specifically. Yes, right? Yes. And schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not. I think that's with anything, right? Yeah, I don't know. Too much alcohol causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially people that smoke regularly, it's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And I know that's hard for people to hear because they want to get high, just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's going to fuck your head up. It's just not good for your brain development. And it's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think well. It's very important. - 100%. - And if you're operating system, don't screw it up before it has a time to like-- - And just for he, he's in ha-ha's because you're bored in math class, you want to get high all the time? You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it, and they're okay, but a lot of people have not. And you don't want to sabotage your whole life just because everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old, that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like, don't do it, man. I'm telling you, it is fucking bad for the development of your brain. Whatever your, look, maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain, maybe you're always gonna be smart and you're gonna be fine. But I guarantee you, if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart. You would have been smarter. Your brain would have functioned better. You would have probably had a better perspective. And you know, we glamorize it for kids. Like the kids at parties drinking, having a good time. It's fucking bad for you. Don't do it. But you can't, you also can't tell 'em, don't drink. Because if you tell 'em, don't drink, they just want to drink. They're just kind of being informed. Well, Europe tends to have like a better, it seems as a whole, I'm sure they have their problems too, but it seems better. Much better. Yeah, you know, their ease into it, right? Have a little, like, less is more without like, with anything, actually, less is more. You know, it's not forbidden. So you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not that big a deal. That Protestant culture we have is very rigid. It's like, don't do this, or you're gonna die. It creates drug addicts and hos. People just want to not listen to their parents. This is what I do, something that's fucking dead. Like, whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite. 'Cause you are fucking annoying, and you've been the bane of my existence. As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack. Fuck you dad, you know what you're talking about. So to get back to your question, the problem with legalization is you're gonna have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally. Because it's legal. What about when you're of age, like, I don't know, called 25? Yeah, but even then, you're gonna have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However, what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organize crime, and that's what we're doing now. So in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So how are they gonna get drugs during prohibition? Well, they're gonna get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done. That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition. So what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry, right next door to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through. Like, what are we doing? Are we empowering them, or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits? Block out everything that comes in illegally. Have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment. Yeah, I was also thinking from a quality perspective. That too. Like, hey, that's cool. We get it, people are gonna do this, but we're gonna monitor it and make sure it is what it says it is. Yeah. Look, alcohol is legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act. They say stupid things. They feel like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That will be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics. And alcohol is legal and it's everywhere. And these people will hit bars and get fucked up every night. And their life is gonna be a mess. They're gonna die of liver poisoning. Yeah. That's normal, too. It's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world. Yeah. And you're gonna like trust a little bit. Yeah. It would be really hard to sell to America that cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It would be really hard to sell to them. Yeah. But I think ultimately-- There's other people that need it. It would probably be better for us. Yeah, all those other things. Those are less troublesome. You know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA, but people definitely abuse it. They definitely get addicted to it. They're doing it all the time. Apparently, that whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit. Oh, really? Yeah. That was a campaign. Well, I think it was probably just some internet or shit. Let's find out what it does. MDMA does-- does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. Let's see what Proplexity has to say. Well, they think they've proven it doesn't have the case. There's a couple of therapy, right? I mean, that was the impetus of the whole thing. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. When you hire a landscaper to create your perfect outdoor oasis, you want someone who cares. That's true for every role you hire for. Luckily, it just got easier to find that thanks to Zip Recruiter. Try it for free at ziprecruiter.com/rogan. Long time listeners, you might already know that Zip Recruiter uses powerful matching technology to find qualified candidates fast. But now, they also have a new feature that shows you candidates who are interested in your role first. 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Anti-drug companies popularized dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Still, that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers. That sounds terrible. I chalk up all this. It's like moderation to everything. Less of everything. I disagree with some people that I really trust. What's his name? Dr. Paul Saladino? The carnivore doctor? Yeah, I really like most of what he says. But he's like, "Don't drink." And it's like, "Well, maybe." Also, it's maybe a pretty nice type of glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends. And that's important too in life. The balance, you tip the scale one way, if you're totally extreme, and then you're just like the social life, and you can't go out and really enjoy yourself for a second. That's important. Yeah, moderation. And you're absolutely right about social life being, loneliness kills people quicker than anything else. 100%. Yeah, people that are lonely, they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes. Isn't that crazy? Well, it's bad for you. Yeah. It's being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad. It feels bad, probably bad for you. Feeling good is good for you. So a little tipsy with your friends or your laugh, and I love you. I love you too, bro. It's great. It's great for people. Yeah, you're going to feel like shit. Takes your electrolytes. Drink a lot of water. Get in the fucking sauna. Yeah, don't do it every day. Don't do it every day. Get an IV. Dave should be able to not be that trick. When I was touring with Dave, all he would do was like after shows, they would just get IVs. He would get a vitamin IVs in the morning. They would do it all the time. To big bags of glue to thigh-owned, to deal with alcohol. Yeah. Yeah. You'd go into, like, day would have a room. You'd go into the room to be like eight of us there, all hooked up to IV bags, talking shit. It was fun. That sounds good. But it's smart. Like, that's how you counteract the fact that, look, he takes a lot of, there's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job, right? Like, Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better way to do that than to be talking shit with your friends with a couple drinks in you? Imagine all the things you would have missed that wouldn't have been in your comedy, that wouldn't have been in your life. I got to go home now. It's eight o'clock. I got to go home. You're like, "Oh, that's boring." Exactly. You become a boring person, too. But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize, like, I've done this dance before. I got to get up at six. See you guys. There's good to that, too. You have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like you're saying about vitamin spikes. I'm get off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know? Like that. There's some things that should be non-negotiable. And for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables. All the other things I'll fuck around with. They're all bonus, right? Yeah, bonus rounds. You have to get cardio. You have to hit weights. You got to stretch. You got to get good sleep. Yeah. I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain. Like, a book. Above the body stuff, it's great to keep the body healthy and I'm very aware of that and I think about that as well. But for me, it's my brain. When I have a nice good, hard workout day, I'm so easy going, I'm so free. - Do you have ADHD? - Oh yeah, for sure. - Okay, same. - I think everybody does. Anybody's any good at anything has it? - Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has ADHD. - I think it's a super power. - No, I do too. I always tell people and you're probably just lexic. - No, not too long, yeah. - Okay, 'cause that goes hand in hand quite often, yeah. And are you just lexic? - I'm just lexic. And now so, explaining to me what you see, when you like see text, I jump, I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right. My brain starts and then jumps. And then it goes, is it regardless of the subject matter? Like if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing? - Yeah, and now it just takes intense focus for me to read. And once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better. But, when I'm not focused or there's other things going on, I jump and then my brain has a really tough time so I get tired very easily. And then it's like, oh, and I get a little frustrated, tired and then I fall asleep, like that. - I do fall asleep if I try to read at night, but I don't have a hard time reading, so I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've had friends that have it, and I don't understand. So you see it, right? And you're going through it, but what is going on when your brain, where it's making you jump back and forth? - I don't know, I think it's just losing focus. I don't know. - In regardless of the, like it could be the most important thing you've ever read, you know, like what if you just, like won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail. - Oh, I'm reading that. - You just won $5 billion. And you're like, wait a minute, do I owe $5 billion? What does that say? I can't read this, read this for me. - Yeah. No, I don't, yeah, it's just, I don't know if it's about, it's about the-- - Text messages are cool. - Yeah, I mean, it's all, it's just, it's harder. And now, you know, like when I grew up, they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now it's almost mandatory in schools. If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test taking. They give you more time for reading. They have, you know, teachers that will help put the dyslexia up, there's tools you can use now. - Yeah. - So I got kind of boned. - Check something here, this is something weird. Could be related. I've been seeing this a lot online, and I'm very curious about this. People are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, and histamine levels in your body. And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There is some studies to it. And what I've been seeing is this link, people are taking zirtec and pepsidae c together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking. - Huh, interesting. - And this is where I'm like, I don't like it. - The blocks histamine receptor is located in the blood vessels, airway, and skin, and reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So they're saying that it's a reaction to histamines? - That's the mixture of zirtec. 'Cause zirtec's more like allergies. There's ones into that, pepsidae c is like acid. - I wonder if there's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD. I could see people being easily distracted. But when I say ADHD, the people that I know that haven't, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really fucking focus on. Whether it's playing golf or whatever it is, a thing that you do where you could just focus on that. But other stuff, you're just scatterbrained. And they'll say, oh, you have ADHD. Or you're thinking a million things at once. You can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD. But everyone that I know that has that, it's always whether or not they're interested in the thing. - Sure. - As soon as they find the thing they're interested and they can lock in for fucking 12 hours and forget to eat. - Well, you know some people when pressure, sorry to cut you off, when you squeeze people, they either excel or they fold. - Right. - When you squeeze, typically I excel. So I don't know where that comes from. But when you put the pressure on, I mean, that's why maybe I can do the job I do. It's like there's 200 people looking at you. - Right. Ready? - This is emotional scene. - Yeah. - You've got it yourself to tears or it's emotional. And it's like you squeeze, some people are good at it. - Yeah, but it's also, you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan. You know, that's also part of it. It's like, your dad wasn't gonna help you out. You really were out there. Like if you want to make it in anything, you have to be able to perform. Like no matter what it is, if you're a lawyer, when you're in court, you have to perform. You have to be able to keep your shit together and execute. That's your job relies on that. And if you're a focused person, you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus in that you can execute when it's important. It's like people that avoid things that make them uncomfortable, they never develop that skill. And that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything. It's being able to focus and being able to perform under pressure. It's very important and we're missing that in life. We don't have these life or death moments like that our ancestors had all the time where some fucking villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot 'em and you run back to the fucking camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you go to war. We don't have that. So we don't have like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional. - Yeah, I mean, to bring it to this movie that I've got coming out tomorrow, it's a World War II movie, Lucky Strike. I'll say the name, plug it. That generation of men had that, right? Because they, I mean, World War II, I talked to my dad about it. What it was like, he was only like 12 years old when World War II was going on. But he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening, like you could hear pins and needles because we didn't know what was gonna happen. I mean, people were scared for their life. Even back home in America, they didn't know it was gonna happen. And that, I think, is why that generation of men and women are just from a different breed. - Yeah. - You know, and you know, you've said it before on your podcast, it's like the hard, hard men, you know, easy your times, easy your times create. It's like the cycle that we're in and it's, it's, yeah, I don't know, it's, I don't know, I think we need a little bit of that. We need a little hard, harder men. - 100%, well, we need to stop using this term, toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like, toxic masculinity is the guy who beats people up and robs people in rapes. That's toxic, that's criminal behavior. Okay, masculine behavior is not, it's protective. Masculine behavior is the guy who gets things done, it provides for his family, takes care of people, you can call him at two o'clock in the morning 'cause you need a favor, you're stuck on the side of the road, like, oh, that shit is important. Strong people are good, it's good to have strong people. Like, in this idea that somehow another strength is bad for society, it's like really crazy. It's like, no, the strength needs to be channeled correctly. And that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise and I would say for men, you should at least try martial arts. 100%. It's so good for your brain, it's so good for your confidence, it's so good for your humility. And you're also your understanding of your vulnerability 'cause so many people are fucking delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight, start fights and you're like, do you wanna die? Are you trying to die? 'Cause you're gonna run into some fucking guy who knows how to fight and he's gonna hit you in the face and you're gonna bounce your head off the fucking concrete and you're gonna die. So stop, stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being around violence all the time. Test yeah, not sharpened. Yeah, yeah. Having experience knowing what it actually is and it's dangerous and you should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear. It's good to be nervous. It's like, you gotta grow. And we are, we're in a society where people just want relaxation, they want comfort, they want entertainment and they just want to be sedentary and that is fucking terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis. We're a giant percentage of people who act that way who are sedentary and overweight and not taking care of themselves are mentally ill. You said something that was interesting, the being scared, being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is. For me, it's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing. Oh yeah. And being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side, you've never been calmer. You've never been more zen with nature and clear in your mind about and happy because you've accomplished something. You've pushed your boundaries. You kept pushing them and pushing them, pushing them. How old were you when you started surfing? I was young, 8, 10. Oh wow, yeah, I mean, you know, where it was like, and you know, at first it's, you know, these way of scary you. And then it's, you know, bigger than the room scary you and you go through these and it can be, you feel like life and death experience. If you, you know, if you push, if you're pushing yourself. Have you ever had a shark situation? I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's been like, oh my God, I'm gonna-- Bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, oh my God. I'm on a styrofoam fucking-- Yeah. Well, there's a difference between seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat or seeing a shark you know isn't going to hurt you. What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark? Bro, we're cool, right? No, but if you spend as much time in the water. You spend as much time in the water as the surfer has done their whole life, you kind of understand what sharks are going to hurt you. What's going on here, Jamie? Great white stalking powder borders last week. Oh great. Oh good lord. Do they even know what's happening? It's not up here that way. Oh my god. How did they not see that fin? Not looking behind them. Oh my god. They didn't even see it. Are you sure this is an AI? Oh, it's ABC news. But I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more cameras. You know, there's just more people with drones. Meet new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin. That still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Maybe it's Mabelie. Then cameras, seeing them. Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places where people are, for sure. I think particularly in Northern California, I think in North Australia too. Yeah, well, Australia is a lot out of town, man. They seem to be angry over there too. Their sharks are angry. Everything's angry over there, something. They're crocodiles are angry, they fuck people up. I was reading about this guy who was the first guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830-something. And the story is, I don't know if this is true, Jamie. Pull this up, see if it's true. The guy's name, supposedly, rest in peace, Tommy. Tommy Woodward, he was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas when he decided to swim in Adam's Bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen in the water. His friend pointed out near the dock and his response was, "Fuck that gator." That was the last thing he said. And then the gator killed him. He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas since 1836. Yeah, you don't swim in the Bayou. But that is one of the most Texas fucking things that anybody's ever said. Fuck that gator right before he died. He's probably drunk as fuck. Not respecting nature. Drunk as fuck, he jumped into a fuck that gator is a wild thing to say before the gator eats you. And that's, you know, humility. You got to have a little humility, Tommy. Tommy, don't say fuck that gator. Here it is. Man, Mox alligator jumps in water and is killed. Oh, this is recent. No, no, it's 2015. So what is the story? What does it say? Does it say he said fuck that gator in this article? Fuck that gator. So there's a sign that's posted. It says no swimming alligators. And uh, Oh yeah, it said it. He removed his shirt, removed his billfold. Someone shouted a warning and he said blank that gator. Blank the alligators. Fuck it. He said fuck. Although they say blanks. Why didn't they just write F dash, dash, dash, jumped in the water and almost immediately yelled for help. I could have been with the guy actually quoted, even though he, you know, he wasn't quoting him. Maybe he doesn't feel like saying the F word to the right. Right, right, right. Yeah. Immediately yelling for help is crazy. Oh, no bueno. Yeah, I was in Florida a couple of years back. Uh, we went alligator hunting and uh, they're everywhere. Like it's kind of disconcerting. We were in the Everglades like in the, there's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators. It is uh, they're everywhere. It's, it's not hard to find them. They're fucking all over the place. Like it's how many of them are there that you don't see is the real question. It's a weird feeling because I thought like it would be like hunting elk. Like you got to go find them. Like would be glass and forum. Where's the elk? Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything? Somebody make a call. Yeah. Do you hear that out there? No, no, no, no, no. There's, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one. Or here's a dead one. Here's one. Another alligator killed. They're fucking, look at this. No, thanks. Dinosaurs. Where's this? This is guys tent. Yeah. Oh, guy. Bro, run. Yeah, get that video off. What is wrong with it? Oh, I've seen this. Isn't this in like Brazil? I think so, yeah. This is in Brazil. I think this guy is. Oh, fuck all that. Look all the eyes. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, that was what I was trying to get. Oh, my god. That's terrifying. So they must all come out of the water at night. And this dude put his tent there. Oh, my god, dude. That is insane. That's insane. And you know, they're all hungry. Because there's that many of them. How many deer can they eat, you know? They're not small at all, dude. They all could eat you. Fuck all that. But the weird feeling about Florida being there was just the sheer number of them. And then knowing how many pythons there are. And I didn't see any pythons. But I go, how many do you guys see pythons? They go, bro. Like occasionally you'll be just driving. You'll see something making its way across the road and it's 15 feet long. No, thank you. No crosses. Like a fucking football player's thigh. I don't mess with that. So I don't, I'm, I would way rather be in the water with sharks. Because at least you can, you can, you know, you can open your eyes, you can see, you can have a tree if you're out in the woods. Yeah, but in the bay, I don't know, man. The tree swamp is, yeah, don't go in the water water there. Yeah. But outside of the water, I would way rather be on ground. If you're like, if you have, you know, distance, if you have a gun, you have a lot of things. When you're in the water with a shark, you're fucked, man, you can barely move. Well, you can actually, if you, if you, they're really deterrent by, if you touch their nose. So if they're coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose, they're usually going to turn. For real? Yeah, have you done this? You've got to get so close. So when they come out, you don't flip your legs and scream. No, no, keep them in front of you. Get under water and keep them in front of you. Yeah, pop them on the nose. Pop them. I've heard that before. I've heard punch them. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, here it says, pop the nose. How punching a shark in the face saved this hollow Hawaiian surfer? I mean, it's not good either way. You don't want to be in the water with an angry shark. Well, in Florida, they don't have as many shark problems, but they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this video. There's these guys that go fishing. I guess it's the keys. And they go off of this giant bridge. And it's like real far to the water. So they have to have this like gaff system where they drop a line down and they gaff the fish and they have to pull it up. They're catching these tunas and they never get them to the bridge. They're just getting destroyed by sharks. The sharks fall over the place down there. Yeah, bull sharks are real dangerous because they'll keep attacking. Whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know, mis-confusion right there. They sort of think you're a seal or something. Yeah. And then they bite and they're like, yeah, okay. Bull sharks, they'll just keep coming. They're like little chihuahas. Like pit bulls. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fuck those things. They catch them a lot now. What is going on with this guy? Bull sharks eating a tuna? Oh, really? I thought this was the video, but there's actually no views on that. So maybe not. Well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that I've seen. Is this in the keys as well? I said big shark circling. I thought it was going to be a little more exciting than this. Oh, man, imagine you're pulling a fish in. You see a shark. You're like, you just take it. Take the fish. Jesus Christ. But a lot of guys, they pulled them in. They're cut in half, you know? Oh, yeah. So you can, they bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population because apparently it's a very high population. You know, bull sharks are the reason why jaws was made. Do you know the original story behind jaws? No, I didn't know that. The inspiration was actually bull shark attacks in fresh water on a river in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the weird sharks that can live in fresh water and so, right? Is this the thing in 1916? Yeah, so this is the, they caught that bull shark. And they killed, I think, two people, right? A series of shark attacks. Four people were killed and one critically injured. And since it occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio epidemic in the United States, it drove thousands of people to seaside resorts in the Jersey shore. So they think it's a bull shark. It says there's been a debate, but it's in fresh water. It's not going to be a 40th anniversary jaw screening in that bay and people sat in the water to wash the water. Also natural selection. But they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois. Oh yeah, up the river. Yeah, they make their way up the river. That's scary. That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark and they've found them in fresh water. I think that dude that used to have that show River Monsters. Remember that guy? Oh yeah, I remember the show. Yeah, the guy just caught fish all the time. Like the craziest. The Redneck. No, it wasn't a Redneck. It was actually like an educated guy with a foreign accent. Where was he from? River Monsters. Yeah, I remember the show. I just don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing it. What's it? The River Monsters guy. The guy with the gray hair. He was a fisherman. Jeremy Wade's his name. That's his day. Yeah, where's he from? He's not from a man. America right British there you go yeah British biologist I think he did an episode on the Bullsharks I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch them in fresh water they realized like these things they go way up the rivers yeah way and they can live in fresh water unlike all the regular sharks yeah I think yeah maybe some of them can but I think most of them have to be in salt water like great whites stuff like that they do I mean they've tagged great whites and they go around the world I mean you think they would they thought you know historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns but they're they've found them all over yeah my daughter got really into Megalodons at one point in time so we really started like researching Megalodons you got a big dog hunting yeah not really you know what I mean for the oh no we just got one online but you you start watching documentaries on Megalodons and you know and then there's the people that think that Megalodons might still be out there you know like okay probably not but either way like the fact that that thing actually exists get a shark the size of a whale they're fucking everything up yep like you you wouldn't be surfing if there's Megalodons would you I probably still would I mean I mean I don't I don't know I mean it's not a bad way to die I guess you'll suffocate and get digested yeah they're doing something you love yeah it's a good story I guess for other people I mean it'd be pretty quick you know what's worse what's worse you live this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last five to seven years of your life and you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this that or just bam get it by a shark I don't know yeah I could see it I guess but still the instinct to stay alive is so strong yeah when I'm a hundred years old and in my bed I'm like baby they're gonna have a new drug they're gonna bring me back to life yeah they probably will be able to do that too it's gonna get real weird if they really can take old people like I was watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells and at least in a lab they've been able to take human skin cells and take like 60-year-old skin cells and make them 20 again yeah that's gonna be really weird well I just don't here here's a thing like I'm all about living the best version of your life being as healthy as you can maybe not for like that whatever you get like being optimal but isn't kind of the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite yeah that it's like people say I'm gonna live forever it's like I don't know if I want to live forever yeah no there's something to that man have you seen this trailer for this movie called white whale fall actually Josh Brolin happens to be in it mentioned him earlier what happens he gets eaten by a whale no way it's in the trailer so it's not a spoiler and it's about him surviving is it real she's going to believe through that things because it's not in the whales mouth oh the whale eats them while it's scuba diving oh Jesus and then the rest of the movie is about getting out get now I guess well how long does he stay inside the whale's body real complex five to 95 minutes I bet he's 85 to 95 minutes inside with his scuba tank inside the whale's body this is bananas oh my god it just keeps swallowing yeah I mean that's what the movie oh god damn it is that real is that new this is the real movie oh my god I saw the trailer recently and I was just just really think of it it might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever been made I can't decide yeah I don't know what do you do if you have a knife do try to carve your way out of the whale yeah yeah you have to have a knife yeah you would but how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a whale forever you're gonna run out of air if you have the scuba tank and you have a knife do you really think you can get through a whale and how much I want to take to go to fish but it's not about that it's a fucking bus you're very motivated that's true it's just true but you got to get through rib cages I don't know if that's a thick enough plot to have a whole move this is the big one we're green light this is it this is our jaws god the business sometimes just oh it's so bad how long to take you to carve your way out of a whale well he puts sperm whale and he's got less than an hour of oxygen oh I don't have enough time you don't got to claw it call through 80 feet I think if you kept cutting it up it might throw up if you kept cutting the inside of his tongue just kept slashing and all that he might just throw you up but yeah he might recognize there's something wrong like you would like if something was if you put something in your mouth it started biting your tongue you'd be like you try to get rid of it I would imagine the way I would do that to it I just start fucking up his tongue there you go also that keep you from getting digested just stab him and just pull yourself forward and stab him again you have an exit plan you've got a plan you're not going to cut your way out I just think there's too much bone I don't think you're going to make through it through that bone unless you go through I don't even know where you would go like the neck I could figure out how to get through on an elk I'll go that way I would go where the holes are there's holes back here where the you know the guts are and his holes up here you know like where you shoot him if you're shooting a frontal they're not going to cast you in this movie they're like though he's getting out too quick I don't think I'm getting out quick I think I'm dying of no air I don't think I'm going to make it let's look at the anatomy of a sperm oil here you're going to be okay where am I see I want to get out through the neck see right there that's where I want to get out but all that stuff if you're yeah but you're not it's going to take too long for you to get through all those you go right to the sphincter and just like you know open the little hole yeah just convince him to digest quickly no there's too much traveling okay you're going to want to you're going to want to go through where you came in you don't want to go through the intestines I'll practice no and also you're dealing with asses they're going to burn and I think you want to cut through the front so I think as he's swallowing you you got to dig in and you got to make your way through the bottom of his jaw you got to start cutting and maybe you get out but when he's going to reenlit this movie we need to find out yeah some crazy person maybe it's really good Josh Brolin's in it it's probably kills actually it's pretty popular well like near-term specimen novel oh my oh sounds like a pretty good story because they made a movie out of it there was a whale they spotted fairly recently that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s oh wow yeah that's alive yeah it was alive yeah and it had this harpoon embedded in it so you can find that story that's a wild might be some instant Instagram horse shit oh cousin seven but yeah fairly recently I remember they they found this whale and they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s yeah 2007 Native Alaskan Whalers near Barrow Alaska made a remarkable discovery a 50 foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb lance an explosive harpoon embedded in its neck the artifact traced to New Bedford Massachusetts the explosive harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in the late 1880s so the whales aged by survival surviving the initial attack whale lived for over a century with the metal tip lodged safely in its neck a thick blubber the extraordinary survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whales can live for a hundred to over 200 years did the whale get shot near Massachusetts or did they travel to Alaska with that device that's a good question well they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot so they probably like made good tech like east coast manufacturing and then they probably shipped it off to Alaska there's not as many people up there so they probably didn't have as much manufacturing that imagination in the 1870s yeah they would ship things by train they would ship things by training boats into the air yeah I mean they always had that they always had trade you know you could always ship things not easy but if you wanted to get guns like say if there was you know if the army was in California in the 1800s they had to get guns and they would get the guns shipped to them yeah they do the carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country they can get them shipped to them yeah I went to a shot a movie in Iceland oh god 20 feels like 20 years I think it was 20 years ago what was it the movie yeah it was called flags of our fathers and it was also World War II and you know the whaling sort of trade was it's not wasn't looked at in the same way I think Americans like look at whaling right god how dare you they look at it's normal yeah yeah it's it was really interesting that stay alive yeah yeah and it's like what where do you draw the line it's everyone's got this like oh you can't kill this but I can have my listen dude to live in my heart whaling is on the menu yeah because you need to stay alive like especially way back in the day yeah there was not a lot of resources in Iceland you know they have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that there it's very popular that Bourdain told me was the single most fucking disgusting thing he's ever eaten really and it's a delicacy like they all love it see if you can find this fermented shark thing that we got that whale is here interesting question kind of like what I asked it's it it was even older there's like another problem is that that device would have been used used up by 1890, it says, 'cause they were very popular. I don't know how, specifically what have gotten that will. - Interesting. It says what you don't know is if some Yankee whaler had a harpoon made in 1830, traded it to an Inuit, and then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later, but because the bomb lance was patented and stocks were used up quickly, box stos and his colleagues identified a narrow window, which they believe the whale was shot, somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes. Whoa. Whales generally become cloudy. Their eyes become cloudy as the age. Found only in Arctic waters, the bowhead was in danger, being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century, but bounced back after demand for whale-born, whale-bone corsets plummeted. Holy shit, dude. That was it, whale-bone corsets were killing all the way. Imagine the whales, they're like, why are they killing us? Are they eating us? Like, no, these chicks, they just wanna suck their waist in tight. Guys think that's hot. - Like what? - No, no, they can't be serious, right? - That's what they made them out of. Oh, wow. So it had like spines from the whale bones. What? So that's what it looked like, like a core, they turned into like almost like a strap whale bone. That's whale-bone? - That's a strange one. - What? Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood? - Theal-boning versus synthetic whale-bone. - They probably ate the whales, and then they were like, oh look, let's excess bone we can use. - Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and realized it was kind of flexible. - Oh no, this is whale-bones weren't even made from bone at all. - I went to my buddy's cattle processing plant in California, and they use everything. - I mean, everything. They use the part of the heart, I believe. It's an organ, I can't remember. They use it in medical operations. They pull it out, and then they send it on ice. They use it for some patching of the heart thing. I mean, down to everything, hooves everything. - Wow. - And it's actually like fascinating to see, and you're like, oh, this is super efficient. This uses for a lot of different applications, for hide, for all kinds of stuff. - Which makes sense, because it's all valuable. Why would you not use it all? And it makes people feel better if you know that the whale's being completely harvested, like every completely, everything is used. That's awesome. - Yeah, I mean, if you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food. If you have a connection with a really good ranch and they're real ethical, and it's all grass-fed meat, and animals are raised on a pasture, like they're supposed to be. - Even the way they slaughtered them at this place was super, it was really gentle. And that was the whole thing. It's like, we're taking a soul. But this is part of life, right? Life eats life. And the way they did it was really painless. And it was just bone-bomb, and then it was-- - Was it no country for old men's style? - Oh, the air bullet, and the bullet to the head. It goes back to the-- - Apparently that just shuts the lights off. - Shuts the lights off quick, and then they bleed them out. How bad was that motherfucker in that movie? - Javier, oh my God. - Javier was so good in that movie. - It might be one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie. - Yeah. - Because you believed him, you believed him. When he's making that dude flip that quarter, you know? - I mean, he gives you the chills. - Oh yeah. - That weird haircut. - Yeah, weird haircut. But it's just the commitment to being a psycho. Like that dude's got some darkness in his eyes. Yeah, look at that weird haircut. - Crazy haircut. - God, he just-- - Javier is a bad motherfucker dude. There's something about his bad guys that are like this Cape Fear role that he's in now. - I haven't seen it yet. - I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer made me uncomfortable just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's a good creep. He plays a real good psycho. You know, there's some dudes where you're like, "I believe it." And some guys you're like, "Come on man, you're a nice guy." (laughing) - Also, the original Cape Fear. I mean, Robert De Niro and the original Cape Fear man. - You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you? Like, to play a bad guy or to play the World War II thing, you've got to play someone from a different era, which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it hard for you? You can see you're so nice. - Do you have a hard time when you play bad guys? - Well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was like, you know, the ultimate, right? - Yeah. - He rules. - Yeah, and Rath a man. And it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to. You know, you could like, act out on your impulses a little bit. You know, you think of something fucked up in your head and you're like, "Why did I think that? "I kind of punched that person in the face." "Why did I think that?" You kind of like, you know, to a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything, but you could kind of like revel in your own, like, messed up thinking. But I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think I want to do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Ritchie I'll do anything, right? He's, I think he's one of the best, best, best. - Ever, look at you. - Yeah. And so, you know, I was, I had to kill a kid there. I was, I had to do the dirty work and get it done. - Even look evil there, like, something's different. - Yeah. - Look at your face. Doesn't even look like you. - Okay. - You look evil. - Yeah. - You look like genuinely evil. - Yeah. - Yeah, that was a loose, I was tying up loose ends there. - Is it, when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil? - A little, I'm, look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job. - I know. - I treated it as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos that like, like, let things become distorted in your mind. - Well, you pretend your Abraham Lincoln for six months. - I mean, yeah, I mean, I believe him. - Daniel Day, like I believe him. - I believe him. - So I don't know, maybe, you know, maybe I, you know, if you want to be the best, I think it comes with a price. - Mm-hmm. - And that price, sanity. - Yeah. - A little bit of sanity. - Uh-huh. - You gotta give it up. - My dad was never like that. He was like, it's a job. Like, go to work, do the best you can. Put in the reps, make sure you know your shit and you come prepared and you have something interesting, but I can leave it at the door, man. - Yeah. - You know? You see people like their minds get twisted and we deal with artists, right? Artists are, I can be special sometimes. - Yeah, and they take themselves very seriously. - Yeah. - But there's also a certain amount of, you have to be thinking about how that character would think, right? If you're really gonna pull it off. - And you really did pull it off. - So you have to be having some evil thoughts. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I would love to come to you. - I was like, it was a greedy role. And I was like, I kinda let the greed take over. Which is a little, which is a little scary. - So do you have to think like a greedy guy before the, like when you're getting ready for a scene, like how do you get your head in that space? - Yeah, a lot of manifesting sort of those thoughts and emotions, like what I fucking do. I'm gonna take whatever I fuck I want right now. So you sort of, you know, you play that, but then you gotta let it go. - Right. - And to the day, man, you gotta let it go. - Right. - You gotta be like, oh, that was that thing. And then. - That's gotta be slippery, right? - I think it can be if you don't have, if you value this career too preciously, and you don't realize, hey, we're telling stories, it's fun, I'm so grateful I've gotten to do it. But it doesn't define me, it might have made me, but it's not gonna break me. - Right. - I have other interests and other things, and I know there's other important shit out there that I could do in this life. I think you have to have that level of thinking, because if you think this is everything, and I mean, it's too extreme. It's like extreme where we're talking about before. It can get too, it's not healthy. - Mm-hmm. - Well, a lot of people have problems after roles or done like, apparently Jim Carey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman, 'cause-- - Yeah. - Yeah, I'd like to talk to him about that, because it seems like he got, from all accounts, that people that work with him on the film, he got so into that character, that he was like being Andy Kaufman all the time. - Yeah, we heard a lot of accounts, like it was like, they were like, dude, you gotta chill. You gotta chill. - You gotta chill. - I mean, I've worked with some that have taken it to the level. - Yeah, they said Jared Leto did that when he was playing the Joker, the people were like, hey man, stop. Stop sending me dead birds. - Rats. - You dead rats. - Shy Leboof. - Yeah. - Leboof? - Leboof? - I don't know. - I always get corrected. - Sorry, shallow. - Sure. - But yeah, there's a lot of those guys, they go into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out. - Yeah, it's just, I think just having, also it's like frontal cortex being defined, right? - You get famous too early when you, I was, I worked as a valet, I worked as a bar bag, I freaking did all these shitty jobs that, you know, you kinda like, oh no, I understand how the real world operates. You get famous too early, you get stunted in your growth. And I truly believe that. - I think so too. - And I think it's a real crime when they do it to little kids. - It's 100%. - They never make it out normal. - No. one. Leo Leo made it out. Yeah. Yeah. He was a child actor. That's right. He had good people around him. He had, you know, he's disciplined and he, yeah, he's got a good, like, sense of the world. That's good. Yeah. But he always has, like, 20 year old girlfriends. He's happy. Is it everything? He's chilling on a yacht with 20 year olds. I don't understand. Like, what do they even talk about? But at the end of the day, he's very few. Well, he did really, he really was famous. You were pretty young, though. Yeah. Really? He might be the only one. But I mean, I guess Jody Foster, she seems pretty put together. She doesn't seem like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the world. And these other people and you go, oh, man, I don't think that was really good for them, you know? Yeah. There's, I think also Corey Feldman. You see these people that were like huge movie stars and they're young and as they're getting older, it's like, I don't think they're doing good. Yeah. Their heads all fucked up. Yeah. When you place too much value on that, too. And then it goes away. Yeah. Where's your identity? I had McCulley Galken in here and he was very interesting. Very nice guy. Like, very smart guy, interesting guy. But he struggles, you know, it's like, he realizes he was sort of robbed of a normal childhood, became famous as a little kid, man, home alone. He was little. Yeah. My dad, I mean, could was to my dad because he did really a job of protecting us from that. And very private. We didn't live in LA. Didn't live, you know, we lived in Carmel. We was a very, you know, as normal as it could be. But in the sense that he was like, no, that's, you know, you just, you need to be a normal child and learn how the world works. Carmel is beautiful, man. It is a nice place to grow up. Yeah. They say, they say newly wed and nearly dead. Right? That's what it is because it's like people get married there and then they fucking go there to die. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. It's a little slow for me. But it's beautiful. I do, I do appreciate it. But they have annoying homeowners associations. Oh, yeah. Come on. You were at the day and you didn't know what you were supposed to do. This is off white. This is not white. Your fence is the wrong color. Yeah. I can get a life. Well, people love to control their neighborhood. They get horrible on those homeowners associations. Oh, people who are really into controlling the neighborhood, like, I'm like so bored with that story. I'm like, God, can you just be different? Can you just surprise me with something else? Yeah. And old people like to live around other old people too. Make some feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties. Yeah. So that's why Carmel calls out to them. If you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you got old people living around old rich people. Yeah. Yeah. The most fun. They're the most fun. Yeah. They're the most entitled. The thing they can tell you the most what to do because they used to tell everybody what to do. But still Carmel, fucking beautiful, beautiful part of the country. Yeah. That coast. Oh, my God. And also sharks out there. A lot of great whites. They're all over the place up there. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a California man is one of the most beautiful places on earth. It has so much variation. There's something. You got deserts. You got the beach. You got mountains. You get me get everything. All in this one beautiful state. Yeah. Everyone was, I mean, even in the development of our country, I was like, everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious. It's like, oh, the gold rush and getting out west. And then California, really L.A. It was the movie industry. And that's really what makes it kind of sad now because it's, they've completely driven it out. I mean, good job, guys. Yeah. Barely have TV shows. Barely. It's brutal. It's brutal. Do you still live there? No. You live out here now? Yeah. I kind of, I tell people I live on the road because that's essentially where I am. You know, I was, I was Atlanta. I was here. I was there. I was in Italy making a movie. Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like, they're never, how many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days? It's not done even beneficial to live there. I've never, I don't think I've ever worked on, maybe I've worked on one film, but it was for a week. And it was, we shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah. They make it so hard for people now. It's so stupid. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's a, it's a sad because film is, you know, inherently, like Hollywood is inherently something that we've produced out of California, out of America. And it's like to see that just get completely blown up in the industry. Oh, do you have friends still live back there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tons of California friends. And, you know, I, look, I was never, I don't have a lot of industry friends. I had, I do have some, but actors like sometimes aren't my people. They're just not, right? I just, I don't know, like the, I don't want to intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's like, that's like cool. It's just something I do, but it doesn't define me, you know, some of them are just, they're so self-important. Yeah. And it's, you know, you're, it's not even almost not their fault, almost because they're getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee and everyone's always catering to them. So they, they start feeling like they deserve that from the world. Yeah. And it just gets real weird. It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry, right? It's sort of masked by, masked by like false security, right? Like, it's like, I'm the man. I'm tougher. I'm this thing. You build this eagle up and you're like, yeah. Dude, like, we're just doing a job here. Can you get to set and shut the fuck up? It's just the attention that you get, you know, you get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important. And, you know, it's natural, natural for human beings, but especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living. No, and like, some of the accountability, man, in the industry is unbelievable. You know, I just worked with somebody that, I think it was just without saying any names, but, you know, just, maybe, you know, people just get like too famous for too long. They think the world owes them something. And then it comes till like doing the right thing. You're like, dude, you get just, it's black and white. Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit. You, you can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior. And they're like, fuck that. I can do it. And you're just like, what? Exactly. You could, you could say a name and then we'll edit it out. You want to do that? Well, yeah, I just, you know, we started working on a film with a director and they decided, you know, after we had spent a bunch of money that they just didn't feel like they wanted to work with this other person and, uh, didn't want to do the job, do the thing. And so I was like, okay, well, you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you. And like, I don't do that. And it's like, well, uh, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. That's the right thing to do. So they decided they didn't want to work with another person. Yeah, I do want to work with like another person after we like started pre-production on the film. So they're trying to get the person kicked off the movie or they just left. And they just, they're, it was their, their directorial, their story, their thing. It was just like, bro, you, that you took money from somebody. That's also a good way to get sued. That seems like you, you know, person can get sued pretty easy for that. Yeah, but it's just, it's like, it's just the, the bigger, the bigger thing is just, I've seen some behavior in this business that is shocking, that would not go in other industries. But for some reason, because they're stars, right? Yeah, it's like, what? It's also the thing, there's a thing that some people want to be a star so they can behave like that. They want to be a star so they can order people around or just do whatever the fuck they want to do and just be unpredictable and wild. They actually enjoy that aspect of being famous. Yeah, I, to be honest, I never, I really didn't, like, and people, people think they want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Rich. Yeah. Rich is better. Rich is better. But to be, like, that goal is so twisted. It's not, like, I love telling stories and we're doing a creative endeavor and you move people, whether you'll make them laugh, make them cry, whatever. But the whole other side of that is, like, just really ugly. And it's, and I think I was lucky in some ways because I got to see it growing up and got to see, like, how it's bullshit. Right. When your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time. Yeah. And he's just your dad. Yeah. You go, oh, this is bullshit. It's bullshit. Yeah. Completely. And also your dad is not like a guy who gives into that stuff either. Yeah. He's not a guy who worships that kind of fame or it's not interested in that at all. Not at all. He's just to put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be in a creative endeavor, which is really cool. And gets to use that, you know, use that muscle. But did you hesitate at all about getting into acting because your dad was so famous out? Sure. I think I was always like, I think I was always like, hey, I love town stories. I love watching movies. I love this. I don't know if exactly I wanted to ever feel like just an actor. It wasn't like, "Oh, that's my, my thing." I love the storytelling of it, and I was like a conduit in. I'm doing other things in film now, producing, and I do want to direct. It'd be nice to like show up with my own clothes to work. I'm like, "Where the hell is this work here?" But also, films like director's medium, it's not really an actor's medium. You need actors. It's part of the deal. The making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film. There's a film made in script and development. There's a film made while you're shooting it, and there's a film made in editing. Have you ever directed anything before? I've done, in a creative capacity where I've been a producer, I've had hand in directing. But not like, "Hey, that's my home." That's my name on the thing I'm super proud of it. I just haven't found the right material to go out and kind of schlep around. Do you write? No. No. And it's a backbone of the industry. Right. Yeah, if you could write your own thing. Yeah. I don't know how, like, the discipline to do it for what you do is, it's tough. You have the thought to paper, that doesn't interest you. It does, in a sense, I just don't like sitting. I am really good at collaborating and talking about material and saying, "What about this? What if he's in this? What about this? Can we go this way?" So I think maybe you can have a writing partner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you have a writing partner or someone who you jive with that's creative, and you guys can get together, and you can come up with your own idea. That way you have material that it's exciting for you, and you can direct that. Because I would imagine, if you're even working with guys like Guy Richie and all these directors that you work with, you've got a chance to see the discipline in the highest level. Yeah. You get to see those guys do it. Yeah. You get to see how they piece it together. It must be fascinating. It is. And everyone has a different way of going about it. Like Guy Richie, here's the thing about Guy Richie. You learn the script, then you show up, and he just like throws it out the window and goes, you say this, you do that, you do this. And then you're like, okay, and so if you're not, it doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like this is awesome. Let's do it. What is it? Okay. Let's go. So, meaning he wants you to improvise. He wants you to talk like a real person. It's not necessarily that it's improvising. It's more he's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats. So he's seeing the movie what he's already shot, and then he's like, I actually don't want that scene. I want him to say this and this. He kind of like is molding the movie in real time. And real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer. They have like a blacked out trailer, and they'll watch the movie, and he'll, they'll radio in and say, hey, say it like this, or do it like this, or do, you know, do it one more time. It's kind of like watching the movie as an audience member. It's really interesting. Is he the only one you know that does it that way? Yes. Hundred percent. And then you have guys like my dad who would never do that. They would, they wouldn't even, they're just, they're like right there just going, okay. Have you heard Matt Damon's story? I'm which one? Matt Damon was working with your dad, and he did a take, and he liked it, but he wanted to do it again, because we do it again, Clint's like, no, we got it. Yeah. He's like, but I've been fucking working forever on this thing. What? A lot more go at it. He's like, we got it. Yeah. And he probably said something like, well, if you want to waste everyone's time, sure. And then Matt's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're good, we're good, we're good, we're good. Oh, so funny. Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah. Whatever guy Richie's process is, it works, because his fucking shows, his movies are, some of my all time favorites, right from the beginning, right from locks, dock, and two smoking barrels, and snatched. Holy shit. His movies are so good. And he really did such a fantastic job of almost like, he's like the benchmark for that genre of like British crime genre. Yes. That's him. That's the, you think of British crime drama, oh guy Richie, guy Richie movie. Like there's this dude, his name is Lee Murray, Lee Murray, he was UFC fighter. He was famous in London, in England, for being like a street fighter, and this crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at a really high level, like one in the UFC. And then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK. No way. Oh yeah, this guy was a full on psycho. He was a gangster. Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight, and they made a video of him hitting mitt six weeks later. Six weeks later, he's back in the gym, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, it's, he was crazy person. I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine, but so he got arrested for this crime. Oh yeah. Oh, he's still in jail. He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount of money. And they did it like in a very high tech, like, like, like the movie heat, like that crazy. Like they had full masks on, armored fucking body armor, the whole deal. And how much do they steal? Um, 53 million pounds. Oh wow. Which is $92 million. The biggest, I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history. And did they hurt, they hurt people doing it? They didn't hug them. They didn't help them. I don't know if it killed them. I'm just wondering, like, if the largest peace time cash robbery in world history, wow. So it's worth $92 million, 53 million pounds back then. So that was in 2006. So this is after he had bid in the UFC. So I, you know, I called his fight in the UFC, I was doing commentary back then. They left over 150 million behind, 150 million pounds because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles. Holy shit. How do they get caught? Only about 21 million pounds of the stolen cash has ever been recovered. So somebody made away with more than 30 million pounds. So he flew to Morocco, Murray and several associates fled to Morocco because he held dual British Moroccan citizenship and Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK. He evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall and robot following an international manhunt. Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Morocco. After initially being sentenced to 10 years, Moroccan appeals court extended a sentence to 25 years in prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping and armed robbery. So like, when this guy got arrested and when everyone's your story, everybody was saying, that guy's got to be a guy, Richie movie. Yeah. That's how much guy Richie has like locked down that genre. And I think there was some talk. Is there talk about guy Richie doing a movie on the Lee Murray Heist? Something came out and chasing lightning. It came out. He didn't make that, but something came out. It's like a mini series about it on the Heist. But as guy Richie been connected to a movie about it, because I know a bunch of people were talking about it, saying like, it has to be a guy Richie movie. Like if you're going to really capture who this guy was, like he was a real nut. Like a real world class fighter who would plan like, give me the, because I don't know what he looks like. Jason, they'd stay them. Could probably nail it. Yeah. And there it is. He's perfect. Cast already. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't have the hair for it, but because Lee Murray had a full head of hair. But it doesn't matter. So it's been a rumor for a long time, but he instead did a true time docu series called Diamond Heist instead, which is like a similar story, but it's not the same story at all. Oh. Okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world class MMA fighter, who was also a robber, like a high level bank robber. I mean, you don't still like $90 million without, do they have footage of that robbery? Is there a video footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it and they look nuts. Well, let me, it looks like a movie like, you know, they might, it might be fucking masks on everything. The whole deal. It's just that, when you think about that kind of a guy and that kind of a story, I mean, that is right up. Guy Richie's alley. He's like that show mob land. God. It's so good. It's good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so like, it's like a movie that's like seven hours long or however many episodes there are. It's great. It really is great. Who is he? Who's, do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with? He's, he's got to be up. I mean, he's. Yeah. And he, him, I got to, you know, I got to work with Oliver Stone. Oh, that's awesome, which is like, you know, like sitting with the devil iconic man. George Tillman Jr. He's a great director. I don't know if you remember that movie Men of Honor. Yes. We remember with Kubi Gooding Jr. Uh huh. Sure. There's a lot of, there's, I've gotten to, you know, work with some really cool David Ayers. Really interesting. I got to tough. He, I don't know if you know his story, but he was, he's had a really dark past, but he, he was essentially. He lived on a submarine for like two years like underwater whoa. Yeah, he's on like you got some scruzelos If you lived on a submarine for two years underwater for two years and fuck you up for 200 years I'm like I'm just thinking about getting out how claustrophobic you could get like I got to get out You're squashing that part of your brain way too long. Yeah, I could do that for an hour I don't know if I want I don't even know if I want to get into submarine after I watch the The tin can they just exploded all those people. Oh, yeah, I was like oh, that's not wise Do when you watch the recreations of what must have happened them? They were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean that would be a good way to go Maybe better than a shark quick. It's like that. Yeah, but then people are talking about you're like you're an idiot Like you got in that stupid tin can you're a billionaire idiot even worse I can't go down like that think about all these fucking people that would love to have a just a piece of your money They could go have a margarita in your lake somewhere a tin can it's gonna be great I'm gonna go to the bottom of the ocean and tell everybody I look through a tiny window fuck you Well, I had you know at a conversation with Cameron and Cameron went James Cameron went to the bottom of the fucking ocean by himself No, no, that's not there's so much wrong with that even the bottom of the marion of trench, right? It's like I think he's the he holds the world record for like single piloted submarine vehicle the deepest depths like no And I also I feel the same way about space You know, I'm like I'm a big musk fan, but I don't have any desire broke to go to Mars or go to space Have fun have fun. You do that. Yeah, okay. I'm all good here on this planet It must be awesome to be just I would like to be an earth orbit once just to look down I bet it's not like the Four I think they say you have that experience like all these different astronauts have talked about it It's the overview effect that you when you're above earth looking down on it It just you like oh my god. We're so fragile. It's all just us together. We have to stop who stop all this like you have this Realization of what we really are and what we're really doing and how stupid tribal conflicts are and like a world I mean, yeah, we're a war. Yeah, there's a Yeah, we always keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad actually. It's It's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again a world war I mean, that's the like if you look at the math. It's kind of happening right now It's like what's going on, man. Are we gonna keep doing this? I guess that's what we're doing. It's very disturbing when you're playing a character in A period piece like that. What what do you have to do in terms of like make sure you're behaving like they behave and talking like they talk like did you have to watch film of those old people and Yeah, you tell you you talk to a lot of people in this case this this movie You know was about Geez The guys are all you know most all passed away at this point, but I luckily got Got to meet a lot of veterans because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies So I've gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and hear their stories See like sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories and you realize You realize the gravity Of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War 2 You know so many people that did so many things that Effect like our way of life. I mean and affect a lot of the world's way alive. I mean all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened and So you carry like that weight with you It's it can be if it's a real if it's you know You know the person you can watch tape on them then you get it you get that like luxury But if you don't then you know, it's just I think it's about carrying that weight and just Trying to be as true as you can to that. It's it comes with the cost doing doing these movies because Not only you go and make them, but then you go and promote them and you meet these people I met one of the oldest living veterans the other night at At the Washington archives in DC 107 years old. Whoa Colonel Stern and Got to hold his hand you know and and really quite clear still had it like you mean Like shockingly when he spoke to me. I was like oh my gosh, but you could feel that generation that you could feel that What he had been through and he was he was actually at the battle of the bulge Whoa, and you're like and then damn have him tell us like we got it right and that's what it's like, you know But like brought me to tears. I was like I was like kind of like that was shook But so the moments like that it comes you know, it's like wow. This is this is a great responsibility. Tell the story Now can imagine having a conversation with the hunter Imagine setting your makeup then forgetting it's even theirs Meet new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all-day comfy grip No tightness no stickiness no residue just plump Dewey hydrated skin that still feels like your skin try new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York Maybe it's Mabelie Dirt and seven-year-old guy who's been through war and the war was what how many years ago 1942? What is that? How many years ago? So he would probably would have been 20 yes, so right he would have been like 84 yeah, so he's four years ago And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life Imagine that imagine your hundred and seven years old and your life is kind of defined By something that happened 84 years ago. Yeah Yeah, it's it's it's wild what they went through I mean while I imagine I mean if they're like hey pack up Joe So like we're we're going to wherever it is like I don't know. I write wherever we're going right now And we're gonna have to kill people and imagine the information you're getting what are you getting like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast? Yeah What do you read the show a guy you met a battalion commander during World War two stern his name was Senator Radcliffe. What is his name Herbert Irving Stern. That's his name So it says a battalion commander during World War two stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions in April 1945 while driving through Germany Stern his men discovered a concentration camp with 3,000 Jewish women Deliberated the camp providing immediate relief to the prisoners and destroyed the facility Wow, he's not amazing like we have to celebrate these people, you know like imagine your overseas You're your your kid. It's 1945 and you you liberated a camp of 3,000 Jewish women. Yeah, they're being imprisoned. Yeah, it gives me chills. It's thinking about it. Holy shit, man Yeah, 35 years old 34 years old You imagine we could see what that guy's seen. I mean, I don't know if we want to I mean that would change your whole Change your whole world like look on the world man. I mean, but you have to think that way right when you're when you're playing these guys You have to almost put yourself in their head. How hard is that like what is that like? It's just it comes with like I said it comes with a cost you You go through an emotional journey You You pay a price you have to lend your own emotion and own grief and whatever that is in your life and you have to kind of relive some of that and It's it's part of you know going through what it would have been like to to see some of these atrocities to see What it's like to lose your best friend right besides you to lose people that are you know to see a concentration camp full of women that are you know probably skin and bones and Like it's just you know makes you just so it makes me so grateful for what we have and where we're at It's also it's the humans capacity for evil When you're faced with it like that. It's it's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that and that they still are But they're still going to this day right right now somewhere in the world. There's human beings committing atrocities and killing people. I know it's Has brutal this brutal think how savage we can become like it's and it's crazy because like you think about it It's like we're not far off You take water away for 72 hours and we're dead. Yeah, so how quickly do we turn savage? Fighting each other if we don't have basic needs. Oh, yeah, the civilization is a very thin baneer Yeah, it's very thin and it's very vulnerable and I think most people are delusional and they're Very well fed very well fed and rested and they don't have any idea How precarious this thing that we exist in is I think when you're I would imagine when you're doing a World War two film or something like that like you're forced to Realize you're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition It's sometimes I mean throughout history. It's kind of the defining moments of our past When you think about the history of the world really you're talking about the history of war You're talking about the history of war and conquests invasions and conquests. It's like the most of what we talk about when we talk about history [BLANK_AUDIO] We talk about the various wars and what happened, what was the result, and who was the king, and who did this? What was it over? The need, resources. This war is really, I think, I think why it's so fascinating, why World War II is still so fascinating is because there is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war, really. Right. What they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying, you know, they were exterminating innocent people. And we came together as a world, you know, coalition and fought that evil. And that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here or, you know, you're questioning what, what is this just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like, this was to save people. Yeah, that is that's very different. Yeah, we think of that as our last great war. That is the World War II in most people's eyes is the last just war. Yeah, you know, we think it's like that's the one that needed to be gone because it wasn't just evil people, it was evil people on meth, which is really crazy when you, when we, I didn't know that until like a decade or two ago, yeah, that they were all on meth. And then we had Norman Ol, he wrote, um, how do I say his last name or over? He wrote this book Blitz, and it's all about the Blitzkrieg when they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Poland in like three days. Yeah. And they was all meth. They just gave them meth. Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war. Yeah. Yeah. They had like 35 million doses of meth nuts, man. That is nice. And they gave the guys at the front of the lines, the most math. The guys in the tanks like you guys get the most meth. They wanted to just messed up, just driving for three days, killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine. So like, they're all chilling and like, they could just kept fucked up, man. Yeah, it's just, it's not that long ago. That's what's really scary. It is. It's super scary. Also, what's, um, what was crazy about this movie and, and you know, it's, I learned something new every time I do a war movie. I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America, like live out of life here. And when the war kicked off, there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany. Whoa. Can you imagine that? How many? Like, like thousands. Whoa. I went back and like, you know, and then they were spies and they were, they split a lot of them spoke English a lot of. Have the American culture, you know, they understood and they became like spies. And it was like, can you imagine doing that? Fuck. Fuck. Yeah. Imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany. What? Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, settle down. Hold on. Hold the phone. Don't you know this spot is better? You should be fighting for this. You fucking dumb ass. Yeah. Yeah. The people that are willing to do that, like, that's a, that's a different kind of brainwashing. Yeah. I mean, I'm, you know, it makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays, like, and you kind of think, like, oh, like, you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff. And I'm not, I'm not a lot, but I do see, and we were talking about it today. It's like, how strong is the government to like brainwash, you know, the MK Ultra stuff? Like the stuff where it's like, you get like a patsy or get someone to do something that you want them to do, kill somebody, whatever. Yeah. That's like really terrifying. Yeah, I think you're your own thoughts and emotions, but also if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can coax them slowly, but surely into becoming a different person. You give them a purpose. You give them a direction. Yeah. You can, I mean, they've done it before. It's not, they didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that. Yeah. I've had a guess by some organization. I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction, someone who just, his background is too squeaky clean after it's over. They professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it. All of his hard drives are gone. All of his computers were gone. He had more than one cell phone, which is very odd for a 20-year-old kid and had no social media profile. The whole thing was far. Can you explain to me the, the, the theory is going out with like the Charlie Kirk of it all because I know there's, I've heard a lot of like stuff and a lot of smart people that I, like respect, like, there's something going on with that. We don't know the full. Well, there's something going on with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again and then dismantle it again and put it back together it again. Like, the whole thing makes no sense. They think they have footage of him in a backpack. So, but a backpack doesn't carry a gun. And so the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun and reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly. So the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take, you got to put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore. So you're going to have to, you're going to have to cite that gun in, right? And if you're going to cite that gun in, you're going to want to have targets to practice on. You're not just going to take a hundred and forty-yard shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk, not knowing if your site is on. Because I was hunting once and I fell with my rifle and we went back to the range to test it. It was off on a, so when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all. All you're doing is pulling the trigger. So just to make sure that the gun is on, it was off by six inches at a hundred yards just by moving from a fall. And so you have to check that and then you have to cite the gun back in. You take a, you just take the scope off and then you put it back on and screw it back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing is going to be accurate. And this kid's not like a marksman. He's not like he's got a ton of experienced shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing, the whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is where, you know, he's saying how he did it or he's going to do it, they seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop. Is that verified? The footage that was in a yogurt shop that was like 20 minutes later. The guy's just chilling at a some fucking frozen yogurt store. That seems weird. What about this stuff with like the people that were like right around the shooting and stuff and like is there like some weird. There's a lot of people that think that someone that someone some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time. That's a lot of bullsh*t seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. If if I was standing there and I went like this and at that moment someone got shot. Okay, now we're making them out. Yeah, or if you look at your watch at a certain point in that person gets shot like a lot of movements going on, you could attribute that movement to someone signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself. So a 30 out six. Well, it's not a big enough hole. 30 out six is a big rifle round. And to shoot a guy in the neck with a 30 out six, you would expect. First of all, you'd expect an exit wound and there's no exit wound. It just goes in and it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind of hole that I would expect from a large rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a that's a round that you shoot an elk with. It's a big round. And then there's a video footage of him from the back and it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit. So it just goes in his neck and stops. It tells about him being a dairy queen or very weird. It seems like he was at a dairy queen, but they don't know which one and the one that thought he was at close down, weirdly a couple of weeks afterwards. Okay, but he was there is footage of him at a dairy queen. Yeah, they just which one it was and when it was either way, after you shoot Charlie Kirk, do you really go to a fucking dairy queen? Yeah, right before you go to Charlie Kirk and having the blizzards, you know, blizzards go out of caffeine in it. I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. There's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in or whether or not he said he confessed to his family. You know, I don't know what they're saying now. He hasn't even there as an update as of June 12th in a hearing and this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet. That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if Robinson is convicted. He has not yet entered a plea. How is that happened in September? How is he not yet entered a plea? I don't know. Is that like one of these? They're going over details about keeping you in limbo. The prosecution going on public talking about the bullet fragment found and the defense is saying it shouldn't have done that. There's a whole back and forth about that. - Hmm, I don't know. - I don't pretend to know, but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure, like you said, there's some bullshit for people who are going to go, "Oh, the AC, look." And you're like, "Okay, come on." - Tucker Carlson was just talking about it and he thinks that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of people are saying, "That's ridiculous." And then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover and how many people are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence? I don't know. But he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was gonna get out of the Israel supporting business. I don't know what that means. You know, I don't know. 'Cause apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu who's expressing his support for Israel and so, is that real? I don't know. - It's all these days to just, like, nothing is 100% real. - Yeah. - If it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of its bullshit. And so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe? He was in love with a trans man or a trans woman rather. And so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that, really? - Do you think, like, a younger people don't have, like, a bigger distrust in the media? I feel like now, I feel like that's changing. So it's made for the best. - Yeah, for sure. But I mean, this isn't even the media. This is the government. You know, this is the official position. Like, they paved over the crime scene, like, within days afterwards. - That's weird. - Yeah, but there's a lot of weird shit, man. The Thomas Crook's thing, they cremated him within days after he was killed. You know, where's the toxicology examination? Where's the results? I want to know what kind of psych medication this fucking kid was on. Like, what was he doing? Like, what was happening? Why did he shoot at the president? Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like, what the fuck is going on? And, you know, we don't ever get told, you know? This Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man. It's weird. Just the gun itself alone. I've heard varying depictions getting on that fucking roof with a gun, going through the stairwell with a gun. He doesn't have the gun. So did he get the gun up there already? So they're saying it's in the backpack. So no, it's not, it doesn't fit in the backpack. Well, maybe the stock, maybe the barrels in his legs. He taped it to his pants. Fuck off. Fuck off. You can't put a gun back together. You're gonna make it that accurate. I don't believe that. And then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof with it and then put it back together again in the woods. Is that what they're saying? I don't know if that's exact with some version of it, but any version of it with this guy under a high stress, high adrenaline situation is taking a part of gun and putting it back together again. Fuck off. Fuck off. Yeah, especially someone untrained. Yeah, like not a. And he jumped off the roof afterwards and then escaped. Like, okay, the thing with which one is, this is the first shooting, the professionally scrub department. That's weird detail that doesn't seem to have accuracy. It says right here July 24th, 24th, House Homeland Security Committee hearing, Rep Eli Crane said he had received information that Crook's house was scrubbed, cleaned, and even silverware removed before investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article making the allegation into record and from there, professionally scrubbed and no silverware talking points spread through blogs, forums, ex posts, and podcasts. What officials have said. When Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner Colonel Christopher Paris, whether the home had been extremely clean or missing silverware, Paris applied that he had not been given any such details in his briefings. But see, this is what I like. This is what I love about this parent. This is what I like though. You're fact checking yourself. And I think this is super important because people start, no matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their own narrative. And it's like, no, no, hold on, I could be wrong. And let's fact check, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not wrong. So he was living with his primary residence. It says it was his parent's single family home. Did he have his own apartment? He had a separate apartment. - That he didn't. - It said he didn't, but it says primary residence. - Well, I mean it, that's what you call it. - But it says not in his own separate apartment. Does that mean he didn't have a separate apartment? - That's the question, did he have his own apartment or whatever, right? Well, what about the apartment? - Oh, I see. I see, so it gave you that response. - Right. - The house and surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination attempt. And investigators reported finding bomb-making materials there. Oh boy. So in case it didn't work out with the gun, he had a bomb. Did he think he was going to make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought. Thought he'd shoot the president and just jump away. No one's going to notice. So they had snipers all over the place. They took that guy out, the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing it and convinced him that they had a way to get him out of there. - Yes, and that's the scary thing, right? - Yeah. - The mind control. - Like you said, you know, especially if they're giving him drugs. That's my point about the toxicology examination. So a lot of people were very concerned. They cremated him right away. Because if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and you found out that there were some drugs in there that they give people to influence them. Like maybe they had an LSD in a system. Maybe had something else in it. Some other psychiatric medications in your system that you would say, well, why was he given this, you know? Is this something that we've done when we're working on mind control experiments? Are we giving people these things? Are we still doing that? There was also metadata that connected a phone from DC to his house from Virginia outside the FBI area where the FBI offices are. Back and forth to this guy's house multiple times. Metadata from a phone. Can't say who's phone, who knows? Probably nothing. - Or-- - Don't they know? I mean-- - He's also in a black rock commercial. - If you want to find out who's phone that is. They got, like people could find out who's phone that is. - I would imagine. - Yeah, it's all weird. It's not, I mean, like there's probably a lot of people before the election that want to Trump dead. Phil in the blank, who do you think it might be? But most likely, somebody got a kid to try to do it. And he didn't pull it off. But he came close. - Scary man. - And then there's the real dummies who think it's staged, which is so crazy. - Oh, that, I've heard that. - I was hearing that, never mind. - They let him nick his ear with a blow. - I'm like, what? Do you know how dumb that sounds? Do you have no idea about shooting things at distance? There's no way you could-- - Like, it's performative, so you can blink. - What? - There's not a fucking chance in hell that you can nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate. You can easily blow half the fucking head off, you know? - And, and like what? So, they're gonna take that risk to-- - Right, and that's performative. - And what happens if they don't have that? - Kill the people behind them. - Yeah, focus on the shot, right? - One guy dies, at least one person died. Another guy got shot really badly. And two other people, I think, are suing now. They're suing the government for negligence because of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured, 'cause they got shot. - Wow. - Yeah. And the whole, the fucking, the whole thing where the lady was ahead of the secret service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on that roof, 'cause the slope was too steep. Like, what? And that didn't even make sense because the slope of the building where the snipers were on was steeper. It made no sense. So it's almost like it was set up so that that kid could get up on that roof and take a shot. - I mean, look, it seems like the powers at B are pulling some strings. It's all I'm saying. - Always. - You know what I mean? The powers strings, if you're not playing by their rules, if you're not kissing the ring, what kind of Hollywood is the same way? Hollywood is like, there's a lot of that bullshit. - There's a lot of that bullshit. - A lot of that like, kiss the ring and things. You're like, nah, I ain't gonna do that. You know, bang, you know, sing that. You let, you know, it's like you say, how bad do you wanna be Batman? (all laughing) How bad do you wanna be Batman? If it cost me my soul, maybe I'm good. - Yeah, well good for you, dude. Good for you. You've achieved a nice balance in your life and work relationship and I think that's very important. You know, and like, I always tell people, like, he's like the normalist guy. He's like the normalist guy that's a movie star. Like, that I know, like every time I'm like, I'm introducing to people, they're like, who is he? Like, that's Scott Eastwood, like, what? That's Clint Eastwood's son. It's like, like, he's so normal. There's a lot of their normal people though. There's some great ones. - Oh yeah, you know, like there's some great ones, but they're a few and far between. - Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fucking super normal. - Yeah. - They're like regular guys when you talk to them. They're managed to keep their, as hard as it is. Keep whoever it is, that's them, they're still that. - Yeah. - So, kudos to them, kudos to you. - And thanks for these vitamins. - Yeah, man, I'm gonna take 'em. I'll tell you what's up. - Tell me what's up. - They suck 'em, I'll tell you that too. I'm sure they're great, I'm just kidding. - North Performance, that's what it's called. - There we go, baby. - And your movie, "Lucky Strike" out tomorrow. - "Lucky Strike" out tomorrow. ♪ "Lucky Strike" out tomorrow.