#2518 - Tim Dillon

[MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> What a great family. >> My sister smoke were in high school. >> I was like, God, why are you smoking so stupid? >> Yeah. >> And then I had to do a play once with Adam Ferrara and a couple of other people. And I was supposed to play this, something that a bunch of comics wrote, funny little sketch thing. And I was supposed to play this tortured liberal art student and it was like smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked like 15 fucking cigarettes while we were doing it. And I threw up, I had a fucking horrible headache. >> Really? >> I was like, God, I'm so high. >> Wow. >> My arms don't move right. If you've never smoked cigarettes at all and you just smoked 15 in a row. Were you like an athlete too? >> Oh yeah. >> Oh, so that totally fucked you up. >> Oh, completely fucked me up. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, the first time I had a cigarette, it's so terrible. But I was like, this is great. My body responded. I don't know how, like what you had is the very normal experience. >> Well, it was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked. I was like, ooh, what a head rush. This is kind of cool. I go, now I gotta get it. I get why you guys like this. >> Interesting. >> But we were doing this thing and I had to always be smoking. We had a rehearse, we were doing it all day and I wanted to try to like feel normal with a cigarette in my hand. So I kept smoking them and then I liked them. So I kept smoking them. >> Yeah, it's a tough thing because the thing about, and I've been sober 15 years from alcohol and drugs. And I look at people that are really drunk. It doesn't look appealing. It doesn't look good. But when you see somebody with a cigarette, it always looks good. >> It looks like. >> Oh. >> It always looks good. >> I never say to yourself, like, that person is going to lose, no, you'll get sick and die, but you never go, they're going to lose control of their life. So you look at somebody with a cigarette and you go, oh, yeah, they're having one, they're cool, it's fine. >> They're using it to help hang on. >> Yeah, I never look cool with it. It's like you look at an actor doing it or someone at like the con film festival. >> Yes, someone like that. >> Yeah. >> Timothy Shalame has one. He's the size of one and he has one. >> And I go, that was fine. >> It was fine. >> Probably France or something. >> You know what I mean? They all do shit like that. So you'll see that and you go. >> You should get a cigarette holder to go with your sunglasses. >> Yeah, a little hundred times in cigarette holders. >> Yeah. >> That's your next move. >> I just got along stems with the cigarette at the end of it. >> Like 1920s. >> Yeah. >> Like 1920s. >> Yeah. >> No, it's the worst thing because the smell is terrible. >> Right. >> And it destroys your clothes. >> Yeah. >> And it's very bad for your health, obviously. >> Yeah. >> But it is one of those things that it's just such a good product. What other product could they tell you? It kills you and we're raising the price every year. >> How about in England where they smoke like crazy? You have actual cancer on the fucking cartons. >> When you buy them and I was in London and you bought one, there was like a dead baby on them. >> Photo, what? >> They were like low birth weight. >> Yeah. >> I was like, this is terrible. >> And no one cares. They smoke more over there than anywhere. >> They smoke more over there. They don't eat the way we eat. They don't understand the way we eat gluttony. They don't get it. There's something called Toby Carvery, where you can just lay the lawn, Sunday roast, and Yorkshire pudding and stuff. But for the most part, the portions are smaller. And people are more behaved in that sense. But they drink more and they smoke. >> This is it. European World Cup fans losing their minds over Taco Bell ranch and unlimited refills. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Because they get sick. When they come here, they get sick. Because there's chemicals in our food. >> Somebody was telling me they went to buckies and there was the soccer teams were at buckies for the first time and they just fucking couldn't believe it. >> Of course. >> Imagine that's your first one of the first experiences you have in America, you walk into a buckies. >> Yeah. >> And you're from Czechoslovakia or some shit? >> It's one of the most American places as you've said that exists. You have this gas station, but that's also like a weird theme park of food. And all kinds of other shit that you could need. >> Yeah, this guy, dude, LMAO, this is a gas station. >> Yeah. Well, they see how big they are. >> Yeah. >> The 24 million views, that's hilarious. >> No, it's completely alien to their culture. >> Yeah. >> To have a place like that. >> Where you could go by, the Costco's are alien to them. The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket or jars into things that you would keep like, you know, like it's all, they all think we're preppers. Because if you go to like a big grocery store chain, you're buying food for a long period of time. They don't do that there. They buy stuff for like the week. >> They have small refrigerators. >> Yes, small refrigerators, a couple of days. >> Yeah. >> They don't have refrigerators like we have. >> But also, they don't have the same amount of preservatives in their food, which is why it's not poison. >> Right. >> They also don't think, and they could be wrong about this, but they also don't think that, like, they're going to lose access because of some race war, you know what I mean? Like, there is a little bit of planning that goes into some of these grocery runs that does seem slightly paranoid. >> Oh, yeah. Well, the news media over here ramps you up. >> Yeah. >> And you, you know, start thinking about stockpiling gold. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Listen, when I lived in LA, when my kids were young, I had an apocalypse truck built. >> Right. >> That Toyota Land Cruiser I got, I specifically, I go, I need a bug out truck. I got truck work, I got store a lot of shit in it, and they could literally drive over a mountain. That's what I need. I need a car that's not just a road car. >> Right. >> I need a car that occasionally ship my go sideways, and you got to get the fuck out of here, and you got to drive through the desert. >> Wow. >> And I've left LA multiple times to make that drive, not in an apocalypse car, but because of fires. >> Oh, yeah. >> Because of riots. >> Sometimes you just got to get out of dodge. >> Three times. >> I got to evacuate at three fucking times when I lived there. >> Yeah. >> And it got as close to burning my fence down. >> It's part of the LA experience to get in a car. David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes, "Your block is on fire." I thought he was kidding. But there was just overturned cop cars on fire. And it was like riots. This was 2020. So I just got on my car and went, "Okay, I drove to the desert." That's part of the LA experience is fleeing. >> That's what Palm Beach is. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You Palm Springs. >> Palm Springs. >> Yeah, you flee. >> Yeah, you flee. >> You go. I mean Palm Springs makes no sense. >> It's hot as fuck. There's no water. >> Well, you know why it started with money. >> It started because when Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie, you had to be within 200 miles until the movie was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs is like exactly 200 miles from LA. >> Oh, that's why. >> That's why. >> That's why they started it. >> Hollywood, that, you know, they were like, "We own you. You can't go anywhere until the film was edited." So if you want to go on a vacation, you have to go there. >> You know what's interesting is like Pasadena was where all the like producers lived. >> Yeah. >> There's beautiful houses in Pasadena, man. >> Mid-century modern beautiful. >> Yeah, incredible places like estates that just seem completely got a place. >> Totally. Beautiful. >> And from another time. >> From another time. >> Well, that's the thing in LA now. You get the vibe that your Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, "It's not Hollywood, it's Hollywood, it's sequel." Like you're not living in the thing anymore. You're living in whatever the second version of the thing is. >> Right. >> The second of the thing is, second version is TikTok. >> Yeah, whatever it is. It's not what it was in every place seems a little bit like a museum. Or like it was cool 20 years ago or 15 years ago. >> Somebody recently said this and it's perfect. They said LA is slowly becoming Detroit. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> The only thing that might save it is the weather. >> The weather will help with the industry dried up. >> Right. >> So the big industry in Hollywood regardless of whether or not is the biggest economic industry. The biggest industry in terms of like cultural value and getting people to move there was always show business. >> Yeah. >> And they barely make movies anymore. >> They overtaxed and overregulated their biggest industry to other states and other countries. >> Yeah. >> And most people are making things all over the world. And very few things. I think at one time was like 80 to 90 percent. Now it's 25, 30 percent. >> Shot in LA. >> Wow. >> It's a big difference. >> It's a giant difference. >> Well, that arrogance of like this is the best place in the world. Everyone's going to come here no matter what. >> Right. >> That's the Gavin Newsome attitude when every defense California talks about how great the GDP is. You know, we're the fifth largest economic. >> Yeah. >> You know, he starts rattling off all these wonderful statistics. And this is like instead of acknowledging, we've got to fucking real problems. People are moving for the first time ever more than they're coming here. >> Right. >> We're losing all these giant corporations that are leaving. Instead of that, it's just this, we're the shit. No one's, yeah. >> I'm very big on California. I'm bullish on California. >> Right. >> It's always going to be amazing here. >> Well, it's what every empire said until they fell. >> Yeah. >> Right? >> Yeah. >> We are the thing. But I don't want to ever believe that things could fall. It's so weird. We'll walk right through the call scene and we'll listen and never have it again. >> Right. >> When we landed in LA, I looked to the right and that warehouse was on fire with 85 billion or 85 million tons of chemicals in a warehouse that was on fire was like a multi-day blaze. And you're landing and you're looking at the window and you're just seeing the warehouse on fire and then there was a car fire on the 405. Like, I sold my house having an apartment there now. But like, as I was going to my apartment, there was a car on fire. I'm a lawyer, and I'm a lawyer and I'm a lawyer. as I was landing the warehouse, it was on fire. And you start thinking to yourself, somebody doesn't want us here. Like somebody wants us out. Like it almost feels like we're being evicted by nature. - By nature? - Well, by nature. - Maybe you're in nature. - By bad decisions, by everything. Which is nature. - Yeah. - You know, human nature is nature. And the stupidity of humans is no different than the stupidity of animals when they go extinct. - Do you think it comes back any shot, any chance? - Something has to happen. - Right. - Something big has to happen. I mean, there has to be something that completely shifts the way LA looks at itself. You know, it has to look at itself as like a functioning business instead of a giant scam for nonprofits. - Right. - It was a big part of LA's problem is there's a bunch of people that are in the empathy industry. - Yeah. - And they're in the, you know, we're working for this and we're working for that. And a giant chunk of their money is going to that kind of shit. - I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic City, which is a casino there. And the owner of that casino was talking to me and I said, what would fix Atlantic City? Because Atlantic City has some similar problems to LA, but vastly worse. - Yeah, way worse. - And he was telling me he goes, we have just a high amount of people and a lot of social programs in one area. So you have a lot of people that are not for whatever reason, productive, and they are living in one area. And everything that comes along with that, which is crime, which is, you know, vandalism, which is, you know, disorder to dip varying degrees. And he goes, you need to get rid of that in order to have a climate where businesses can thrive. - 100%. - Which is what happened in New York in the '90s. People hate it. They don't want to admit it. But what happened in New York in the '90s was like, they did clean up a lot of the crime and a lot of businesses then felt better about investing. - 100%. - But that's what Giuliani did. - That's what he did. And he's demonized. He's demonized. He's demonized. He hasn't, he's one of those guys where if he had just done that and died, his legacy would have been amazing. But he's hung around for a while and he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents. So it's one of those scenarios where it's like, how do you just cleaned up New York City and then left public life? It would have been like that guy. - Right. - But he hung around a little bit and, you know, got involved. - They always have to hang around. - That's what they do. - They always hang around. - They're always gonna do stand up. - That's right. - And he was gonna do shows. - But he did such a good thing and then it was like, just, yeah. - Just exit. - Who's also, you know, he was easy to make fun of. Like the time we was sweating and his died. - Well, that's what I mean. - You know what I mean? - He's melting. - Yeah. - He's doing the part that I was talking about. - He's like parking lot. - He doesn't die here. - Yeah, no. - 100 years old, it's okay to have gray hair. It's just these guys, there's so much silliness on both sides. You know, there's so, there's silliness on the left and silliness on the right. There's goofy people because the only kind of people that want that kind of position of power are a little goofy. - Right. - You don't get the best and the brightest and the most enlightened that want to be the mayor of New York City. - No. - Not the job. - You get a lot of people that want power and they want influence and they, you know. I think a lot of that, the AI stuff, which is very interesting is starting to, I don't know how quickly it will do this, but I do think it's going to, it's going to lessen some of the cultural divides and I think it's going to potentially unite people because it's, I think it's going to be the next fight seems to be about surveillance, privacy, your own rights, what rights you all have. Like I feel like that will be, it might take precedent instead of like these cultural fights that people have been having for a while. It might be like people might be demanding autonomy, you know, from artificial intelligence. - The problem is going to be if you can't demand, if you don't have a voice anymore. And this is the potential nightmare scenario that we're seeing play out slowly in England. So in England, their freedom of speech has been suppressed to an alarming point where people are not freaking out nearly enough about it. The amount of arrests that people get over there for fucking retweets and links, retweets and likes. - That's so crazy to me that you could get arrested for liking a tweet, arrested, not even retweeting 'cause we all know if you like your pieces shit, you should retweet. We all know that, retweet it. So, and if you're going to go to jail, you might as well retweet it anyway. If you're going to get locked up, what if you just retweet it is for a retweet versus a liking? - I'm sure, you're honor my client just like this. They were confused, they hit a button. - So as soon as you have people that feel like the reality of the world they live in is not being represented and they're not allowed to complain about it online because if they complained about it online, they get arrested. So right now it's for immigration, primarily. This is the bad one. But that could change, that could change. - Well, it does seem to be that they feel that there was a decision made by somebody that the public can only discuss issues in a very rigid way. They can only offer, like if not everyone who's talking about immigration is doing it in the most articulate way, but it's their right to do it. It's their country. They should be able to say I'm worried about increased levels of immigration, you know? And they should be able to say that in an eloquent way, right? So what they're doing now is they're policing certain words and I think certain ways of speaking and they're calling a lot of things an incitement to violence. Now, some things clearly are an incitement to violence. But you know, the internet, people speak in a colorful way. People talk using irony. Some people are trying to be funny. Some people are. So I think the way that they're doing it over there is they're basically looking at these statements and going, this person is inciting violence and threatening the public good by what they're saying. Right. And then there's also people were getting arrested for saying that they were rape gangs. And there were. And there were. And so this new report, who released this new report that set a quarter million people? It says, "UK scraps police probes of legal social media posts after review says response went too far." So this is April 1st, 226. But I just saw a thing about a guy getting arrested like a few days ago. And we have rape gangs here, but ours are more successful. I think that's a legal social media post is which weird. So legal social media posts. Their law is different than our law. They don't have freedom of speech over there. So incitement to violence is a violation of their law. Right. So when it says legal, it could just be they went too far for things like cartoons or something like that. That's not clearly not an incitement of violence. But would it find out, Jamie, what that report was about the rape gangs? I was just there for 21 days. I was in London. I went to Paris for a couple of days, but I was in London primarily for 21 days. And you talk to different groups of people and London's a global city. It's a cosmopolitan city. It's like New York. And I think one of the things that they're used to diversity there. And so they're not full on panic about different types of people coming in. But there is undeniably a real problem outside of London, also in London, but outside of London because a lot of the economy is stagnated. So you're bringing people in. It's not clear immediately what jobs they'll do. And a lot of their culture is very greatly from the English culture in a meaningful way. And that could be the rights of women. That could be the rights of gay people. That could be the opinions about freedom of speech. That could be freedom of religion. Whatever it is, there is a cultural tension there between immigrants, migrants coming in. And the very established society that's been around for a very long time. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy wake and live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild? And also kind of obvious at the same time. So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-process kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist. And trust me, I know. I buy one, the farmer's dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me. It's human grade food. 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Yeah. They're inching towards what they would like, which is Sharia law. If you ask. For sure. Most people who live in these Islamic countries. Now again, if you're asking them, they're probably under duress, they're probably terrified of saying the wrong thing. Right. So you've got to factor that in. But at least a percentage of them think Sharia law would be a great idea. I think there's certainly a, yeah, I mean, and this was covered up to a lot of the grooming gangs scandal there. Yeah. So we're looking at it right now. It says this is on National Review, the UK's horrific rape gangs. So this, but there was, is this the rape gang inquiry report, right? So who put this report out? Members of parliament and restore Britain party leader, Rupert Lowe. And so the investigators had limited power, such as inability, inability to compel witnesses or require sort of document production that could cooperate some of the most heinous victims viewed with those limitations in mind. The independent report is a damning collection of victim testimonies that vividly portray the sexual terrorism that occurred nationwide for decades. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, this is terrible. I mean, obviously, I mean, I think they said it was 250,000 girls. And this was covered up because the media didn't want to inflame anger against, you know, population of migrants, right? Most of whom I'm sure were innocent of this, obviously, obviously, but it is something that, you know, in a free society, everyone has the right to know if there are rape gangs in their country and who's operating them, but isn't that crazy that in the, under the guys of progressiveness, yeah, even able rape gangs? Well, 100%, it's crazy, but it's also incredibly, it's not shocking because the ends justify the means approach of politics seems to be what we're doing right now, whereas basically if the goal is to just eliminate, you know, whatever, whatever it's being called, like this patriarchal white male dominated society. And if you want to get rid of that, and that's the end goal, a lot of people ignore what happens in the middle, like a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose rights are being respected in that process because their end goal really is to kind of decrease the power of people they disagree with, you know? So I mean, it's like, you know, you know, it's hard to look at this and not see a design, and I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from, but it's, it's odd that this is what happens, stance, because everybody knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it. So I would imagine that at some point, you know, for example, like countries like Ireland right now that are having lots of issues over this, it's, you know, they're part of the EU, and the EU would set migration policy for Ireland. So the EU is a supernatural organization that would basically say, here's how many migrants you have to admit, here's your carbon emission standards, here's your, you know, monetary policy, whatever it is. And Ireland is kind of in that, in that sense, they feel like they're losing their sovereignty, they're losing their ability to chart the course of their own country to a supernatural organization that's, that primarily seems concerned with the economics because if you bring in more migrants, you can artificially grow the economy, which is what they're doing. A lot of people in Europe are not having children. So a lot of these economies are run by people that are not really too concerned about the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in. They're looking more about how do we grow this economy? How do we get cheap, you know, help and how do we get workers? And a lot of it is you're getting third world migrants. Some of it's genuine refugees for sure, but a lot of it's economic migration. They're coming for better life, hard to blame them, but do the people that live in those countries get to have a better life? That's a question. If you lived in Ireland, do you get to have a better life? Do your economic prospects get to grow? Do your children get to own property? Do they get to have health insurance and a job and things like that? And no one seems that concerned about that. But these citizens who've lived forever in these countries, whose grandparents have fought and died in wars to secure the freedom of some of those countries, you know, Britain, UK, you know, things like that, those citizens seem to not be as prioritized as people coming in from other countries. And that's one of the big problems that they're having there. Well, it's really interesting to watch. Because if there is a plan, I mean, it's not interesting, it's kind of horrific, but it's interesting. It can be both. It can be both. Sure. If there is a plan, like who's plan, who's plan, and who's benefiting from this? Like, why would you do this? I think it's a small group of people that concern themselves primarily with economic matters that don't care that nation states have cultures and histories and customs. And that doesn't really, that doesn't bother them as much. And they're basic, they're basic, you know, responses to just deal with it and to call everyone a racist who questions it or just say everyone's a jingoist or ethno centric or anti-immigrant or whatever. They shut down those conversations. And I think it's because a lot of people believe more in a global world and they don't believe in a world of nation states that have their own ability to govern themselves. They want to take that power economically from those people and then eventually they want to take it culturally and every other way. So they just want to go around the world and say, here's the way every country will look. There's the economic policy of every country. And if the people in those countries don't like it and they express, you know, that on social media, they're going to get kicked off. And if they organize in the streets, they're going to use, you know, the military authority to fire water cannons at them or shut them down or use gas or whatever. And if there's a genuine resistance movement to some of it, they're going to infiltrate it and turn it into some psychotic thing, which they do all the time. All right. So it's hard to see it, not to sound like a paranoid nut job, but that's what I am and how I've made my living. But I think it is clearly someone's design. This isn't happenstance. None of this has to happen. We don't have to invade countries, sponsor coups, steal resources and then like drench our communities in guilt and say, now we have to bring all those people here and you have to deal with it. None of that has to happen. That's a strategy of a group of people that want to keep perpetuating this. Do you think it also has one of the factors might be that they want conflict? The more conflict people have in the streets, the less they're going to pay attention to what the government's doing. Well, 100%. I also think the more chaos in the street, the more likely you're going to be willing to accept new laws. New laws. New technologies. And you're going to just say, I want peace and I don't care how we get it. I don't care how we achieve it. And I think that's very possible. But it does feel like it's on the road a little bit to where people want a uniform standard across. But as you've said earlier in this, it's very interesting because this uniform standard is supposed to include non-binary art students in Vermont and religious Muslims from North Africa. Yeah. Good luck. But, I mean, that's. But it's amazing that the people that would be most opposed, the people that, like, if you do bring those people in, the people that are going to hate the most are the people that want them in the most, because the ones are most likely to say we shouldn't have some border that keeps some person from coming here and no person's illegal. And the people that want them in the most, I think, are not even the people bringing them in. They're being used. They're being. Yeah. They're empathy's being weaponized. Yeah. It's being used. People. Right. So, people that are manufacturing this reality are using those people. These are the same people who really don't care if people in this state over have health care. Right. So, people that haven't spoken to their sister in two years, and they care a ton about people in the Ukraine or people that are coming over from Syria, whatever, but we fucked up Syria. We put that guy in who used to be an ISIS. We got rid of Qaddafi, their slave markets in Libya. Right. So, we did that. We sent refugees all through Europe. We destabilized all of Europe and, you know, you can't take us out of it. You can't take Western powers out of it. You can't take Israel out of it. You can't take the U.S. and Britain, France, and a lot of other. powers that have destabilized these countries and sent these people flooding through western countries, European countries. Yeah, fun. It's going to be a fun next 50 years. It's kind of crazy when you see images of France. There was a video of France from 1998 from Paris versus today. They showed like 1998 and then they showed some different things and you know listen, some of that's inevitable. The world changes, different groups of people, you know, but then you look in an Ireland, this guy just got beheaded in the street, which I'm against and I think is wrong. And he beheaded some guy, a migrant who had been brought in, had beheaded or damn near beheaded, tried to. And there's a video event and and and it and now belt fast like, you know, it's probably quite a down now. But they were like tremendous riots, they were like burning things down because they're like, we never got a vote on this. We never get a vote on, on bringing the people in. We never got a vote on that. No one ever asked us how much demographic change we wanted in our country and how quickly and what we were prepared to do. No one ever asked that. People don't like to admit it, but an armed population. It's much more difficult to pull things off 100% population. 100%? Another part of the problem with the UK and with Ireland, all these places, it's very difficult to have a guy. Diversity also relies on a very productive economy. So New York City works to the degree it does because people can go out and get jobs because the economic reality of the city is that it can support a lot of people coming in. There are a lot of jobs for those people. But when you have a stagnant economy, like many parts of the UK, that's a lot harder. It's a harder sell. Harder to assimilate people into a landscape where the people there are not doing well. Like the people that have lived there forever not thriving, they don't feel great. Their prospects economically aren't great. And now you're bringing all these new people who also are struggling to find work. So that's part of the problem. Do you think that this is being done with a strategy knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society? Yes. I believe this is what I believe. I believe no one, for example, no one's trying to get anyone in this country to own a house. People pay lip service to the idea. But there's a lot of people now, a lot of them are my age who have never owned a home and never will. And no one's trying to, no one wants them, they've forgotten what owning a home feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to like have a yard where you can invite people over and drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch a game and they live in a little apartment, they type, you know, they're on a MacBook, they're getting radicalized in any direction, they're upset, they're on dating apps or whatever. But they don't feel like they have a foundational core to their life. No one has really, really even given them the idea that they're going to get that. So I think that's just one of the things where people are, they're basically saying like no, you don't need a house and you're not getting a house and forget what owning a house was. Like forget that, that doesn't matter. And I think part of this is because they know, same thing with healthcare, there's no real movement to give anyone healthcare in this country. And if it is, it gets shut down immediately. So on the positive side, you might go well, they know that AI is coming and that AI is going to do a lot of stuff with health and it's going to help extend life spans. And but also on the negative side, they go, AI is going to disrupt the economy to a point where like we're not going to have people owning homes and cars and things like that. We're going to have a lot of people without a steady income or they don't really know what to do. We're going to have a lot of wealth that's existed, a lot of capital and we're going to have tremendous inequality and we're going to have a lot of joblessness. So for sure, I think that they're preparing for that. I mean, there's no way you can look at the landscape because they're selling the country off for parts. And this is both parties and this is like, they're selling it off for parts. So I mean, obviously there's something's coming, something's coming for sure. And I don't know when it is and I'm sure the AI things overblown to an extent and I think so much of our GDP depends on it that a lot of these companies are live but anthropics are creepy, these are creepy companies. You know, I mean, they're just creepy. Well, the amount of power that tech companies have in general is unprecedented. There's never been corporations. I mean, unless you go back to like the East India Corporation, you know, you go back in the day where they had like an enormous army, you know, totally, and they took over India and passed down. But if you look at what they're doing, it's very different than that, other than the army part, what they have is robot armies and then they have AI which Elon just recently said is going to be like a million times smarter than the smartest human that's ever lived. Like this is the goal. The goal is to create literally a digital god and it's going to be controlled by not us, not the collective human race. It's going to be controlled by select few group of people and that's weird. Like, and we're just trusting them. Well, that's why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels and you're not going to get a vote on, you know, like, I think the reality is that eventually they're going to go, do you want safe streets? You want food? Do you want a little bit of money? You've got to do X, Y and Z, you've got to believe X, Y and Z, you know, and I mean, that seems to be coming. And it seems like if you put people in a corner and you get them scared, they'll, this is what we learned during COVID, like they will back down, they'll, they'll go along with a lot of stupid shit. They'll go to, they'll go, they'll try to find comfort and they will listen to people that they deem to be worthy, you know, they'll trust the government, which is wild. The left is the people that trust the government. Well, you have all these studies that come out, you know, this is the thing that I like. I love London and I, the people, they're great and they're fun people and everything like that. But they have a, you know, because they get healthcare, they get a little more from their government than we do. There's more trust in their government than we have in our government and there's positive to that and there's negatives. But they, they're a society of rules and customs in order and it is a bit different. But I think they are more likely to go along with the grand plan of the government more so than the United States where we really do question more what's happening than people in Europe or the UK overall. Yeah. Well, that makes sense, right? They have socialized healthcare, they have, isn't their education paid for completely? Isn't university enough? Yeah, they have good stuff. They have a good life. Yeah. There's benefits to that. Totally. It wants to be achieved. I've always said that. Like in this country, it's foolish that we don't have, that we don't pay for higher education. Like the more educated people, the better. Like the less losers, the better. Part of our country is, is, you know, where we, we, we, we manufacture a lot of geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of psychopaths. That's what our culture does. A lot of social benefits. A lot of people that don't give a fuck about anything, that's a lot of people that don't care about anything. And it's, that's the thing that comes along with the gluttony too, right? It's celebrated. And they don't even realize that that outward gluttony, it just inspires all these eat the rich people. The whole thing is out of balance. That's what I would describe in America. If you had to describe it in three words, it's just out of balance. It's out of balance. It does it. And it's hard because we've got 350 million people. It's hard to bat, you know, and it's like, one of the people in Menlo Park have to do with the people in Baton Rouge have to do with the people in Canarsie. Like I get it. It's a weird place. You have all these different climates, habitats, people with different interests. But I think AI might unite people because like the idea of this as such a powerful force, if people don't start getting cognizant of it eventually and start, you know, talking about regulating it or anything, you know, I do think it's, it, it, it is going to be, you know, a very strange time if people, you know, just ignore it forever. It's going to do something weird. I'll tell you that. It's not going to be like, whatever is coming over the next 20 years, no one is predicting it. I get the feeling when you see a lot of these tech guys start adopting Christianity. I like Peter Teele's like that whole antichrist thing. Yeah. He does a whole thing. Like what? What is he doing? He's doing a fucking lecture on the antichrist. He's a bunch of lectures on the antichrist. He's fascinated with it. And a lot of those guys are, are, are, are moving into this interesting area of, um, this is, this is God wants this like JD Vance, who's not the worst person, obviously. And I think he's the sanest voice in that administration about the antichrist war. For sure. I think he's by far one of the only people in there going, let's comment down, which is why a lot of the big donors are, are, are swinging mud at him, you know? But again, it's just he just released a book about faith or reconnecting with his faith. I'm sure it's a lovely book. Haven't read it. Fun B tree in JD Vance's reconnecting with his faith, great, inspiring, amazing, we'll get to it. Have a reddit, we'll get to it, top tier. But you know, it's also interesting because like some of his donors are huge tech guys. And it's all of these worlds existing together where you have this world of people who are trying to build a God and the world of people who already believe in a God and trying to get all of those people in the same tent. That's interesting. - It is. You know? - Imagine if that's where God comes from. - If this is a natural process where human beings and their curiosity and insatiable need for technological innovation. - But then what happens once we get God, like once we just, let's say we bring this God and then what happens? - Nirvana. - Nirvana. - Yeah, we all merge. It becomes perfect. - Interesting. - So we all merge and that's perfect. - It's fine, don't worry about it. We're all gonna merge with the machine. - Interesting. (laughing) Because people do believe that. - At one point in time, cavemen had to be looking at the wheel. Gone man, I see where this is gonna go. - Right. - This is gonna fuck my whole gig up. My whole gig is making weapons on a stone and tying them to a stick with tendons and then chasing an animal and sparing them. And now these motherfuckers invented guns. And these motherfuckers invented arrows. - Yeah. - With every progression of technology. Like big bow and arrows technology, changed everything. Horse riding, figuring out how to ride a horse. Well, that's like a new innovation. - Right. - Ride a horse now. Now you can move a lot faster. You can get a lot of things done. Some guy figured out a wheel. All right, drag the wheel, put a card on it. Now we can carry stuff with us. - Right. - More than the stuff that you could put on a horse. - Right. - If you've got a couple horses, they pull a wagon. - Right. - Right. - Hey, this guy figured out a fucking engine. We don't need horses anymore. - Right. - Ooh, right. - Let's make the whole ground everywhere hard. So we could roll around with these machines with internal combustion engines. And then it just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going. And then one day it's unrecognizable, just like it is now. If you showed Australia Pithicus, Manhattan in 2026, they'd be like, they would freak out. They'd probably start screaming. They wouldn't know what to do. They'd be horrified. - But do you think like if we showed Peter Teal 2050, he'd go, no, that's it. Like that's what I want. Like whatever 20, like, do you think the guys now have a real idea of what it's gonna be? - No. I think there's a lot of guesswork. I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible to know what these things are going to do when they become sent chant. If Elon is correct, if Elon's correct, then there's something that's a million times smarter than human beings. And somehow or another is, why would we let people govern? Why would we let people build that stupid fucking rail station in California that it's cost how much money and it's produced what? How much track is something? - But why would they let people do that when you could have AI do that? - But if something's a billion times smarter than human beings, it's gonna go, we're not building a rail station for these fat foxes, you know, I mean, seriously, it's gonna go, why would we build a rail station for these people so they can get drunk and go fight each other? How about we get rid of them? - Well, maybe it's, we don't even need to do that because we can make you travel instantaneously from here to there, create little mini wormholes all over the country. We don't need a car anymore because press a button and all of a sudden you're at Starbucks. You know, we'll do something very strange. I just look at technology and I go, it's made the world better in many ways, but in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did stop around 2014, 2015, a lot of the new things started that came in, made the world to me very impersonal, corporate sterile and cold, and the experiences that you get now, like I, you know, there was like, if you, you and I went with a friend of mine, we were in a McDonald's and like you order on a touchscreen, there's nobody there, there's some non-year-old kid going, hey, I ordered a McFlurry, some woman screaming at him. Where's the receipt? What's the receipt? He's like, no, and he's like, what? There's a weirdness when you take people out of everything. - You take people out of everything and then you don't also, they have no purpose, right? - Especially you consider the high number of unemployed people and checked out people. And then people that have whatever their job is has nothing to do with what they enjoy. So, if they just do the job and then afterwards they're just watching television all day, that's a lot of people. - But they're just watching their phone and playing video games. - Yeah, totally. - There's a lot of people that don't have any purpose. - Right. - They don't have a feeling of purpose, they don't have a thing that they're connected to. - But some experiences are much worse now than they were. - Sure. - Before they were digitized. Like I do think there was just pressing a button and getting something on Amazon is much easier, but there was something nice about going out in December during the Christmas season and like going to different places and seeing people and like the struggle of like getting the thing you want. There was something, I bet you were expending energy, you're walking around, you get a cup of coffee, you see people, if we destroy all of that, what happens to the human psyche? That's my question. - Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could see like anxiety, like levels of measurable anxiety over time, I guarantee you from whatever the age of the internet kicked in. So it's like what, 94 or something like that? I think it probably slowly ramped up until social media came up and then it's probably significantly higher than it's ever been before, without real threats. - Totally. - Like just regular anxiety from reading things on your phone and interacting with things online. - Well, people are very attached to this idea that they have to weigh in on everything, that they have to have a fully formed opinion on everything and the horrors of the world are on full display in front of them all the time. And they need to then not only view them, which is scarring in and of itself, but then they need to contextualize them in a way that makes sense, which I think is also another level of stress. Am I a good person? Am I, do I have the right thoughts about this thing? Am I being, so that, to me, is also another level of stress. We're like, you would have never had to. There were people, when I grew up, that just were really good at one thing. And they didn't need to have an opinion on something that was happening a world away, 'cause they didn't have the knowledge. - And they were forced into expressing that opinion. And they were able to live in a much simpler way and a much happier way, with real, genuine connections to people. And I think the fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now, like the generation that's coming up, the younger people, they seem better off, like the zoomers or whatever they are. They seem to be a little, they have a little dose of nihilism, but I think it's appropriate. They're a little, you know, good sense of humor. They're skeptical, they're a little cynical. They've seen all of these institutions, you know, turn out a lot of garbage, and I think they're, they're into, you know, some of the crypto stuff, they're into like, you know, they're self-starters. They are, they're not institutionalists. Everyone I grew up with, and the generation directly under me, they're all institutionalists. They believe very strongly that knowledge is given through an approved, whether you're at NYU, or whether it's the State Department, or whether it's a board, or whether it's, or whether it's a nonprofit, the commission to study, that proved the thing. A lot of these kids do not think for themselves. They, and they're not kids, they're in the 30s, by the way. And they're in the 30s or 40s. They don't think for themselves. They've been taught that thinking for themselves is bad. It's racist, or it's, it's, it can lead you down a road that you don't wanna go on. It's, you know, whatever, it's misogynist. It's homophobic. Like, whatever questions you're asking, like, why are the podres get, why do the podres have to wear gay uniforms? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Like, as a gay person, I never said, why I need the podres to be gay. Why are the podres gay? How does the podres, what does the podres uniform look like? What, they're making them wear, like, gay things on the uniform. Like pride stuff? It's like pride stuff. I don't think it's like a deal to on their head, but I think it's like pride stuff that you can play in Dearborn. It's not gonna, it's not gonna go well, but it's like, why is Citibank gay? Why is Chase, why is Chase gay? What is it, why does this help anyone? That a corporation is trans. Why is Trabani Yoga trans? What's the point of this? I don't understand. Is this get people healthcare? Does this make people happy? Does this satisfy me? It makes some people happy. It makes some people happy that I worry about because I just don't understand, and it makes more people angry. And that's why gay marriages lost 11 points in support. More people are annoyed. They're like, we're all cool with however people want to live their lives. A lot of, most people are. But they're like, why is my bank gay? (laughs) When did my bank come out as gay? And it's like, I'm okay with it, but could somebody have told me like, what are we doing? I don't, this doesn't make anybody's life better. It is just virtue signaling horseshit that ends up doing the exact opposite of what they want. They think it increases acceptance, it decreases it. Because you're shoving a worldview down someone's throat. And at the end of the day, it's like, if I went to a restaurant, for example, I have no problem. with Scientology on record. (laughing) By the way, I like it. I like cults. I like cults. Children have too many rights. Put 'em on that boat. Whatever you do, see or make 'em work. Don't rape 'em, but make 'em swap the deck. Whatever they do on that boat. And I don't have a problem with Scientology. And I don't like the people who leave Scientology and then rat on it after it got them all these movie parts. I think that's fucked up too. I think it's fucked up. I think they're rats. And I knew you've had some of them on. Sorry. (laughing) But I think they're rats. If you are do something for 30 goddamn years and get rich, your famous, shut your mouth. Have the dignity to go to your house and shut your mouth about it. Don't then try to go on your new era is that you're gonna dime on everybody in this thing that made you rich, anyway. But if I went, so that's just an aside. It's just an aside, it's truly. But that's the way I feel. Shout out to the stop, Tom Cruise. He hangs in there. He hangs in, can you imagine how gross that would be? - In there. - How disgusting would it be if Tom Cruise went out and he's like, "You know, Scientology's really big. "Shut the fuck up, your top gun." (laughing) Your top gun, this worked. Whether you're gay or not, they covered it up. They covered it up. You said, you did something wrong. They said, well, all of you, we'll put you in the box. You're fine. Give us some money. Live on this mansion. It's all fine. But if I went to my bank and it was just all Scientology for the month of June, I would go, this is a lot. Do you know what I mean? So to me, I think it's like, this weird aesthetic politics that people have where they just, they need to pin ribbons on themselves and go, "I'm a good person. "I have no problem with the polyamorous orgy "happening a chase," or whatever. Just shut up. This whole country right now is being torn apart by people who need to feel like they're good people. And they need to project their life onto other people just to live in that life. People disagree with you. That's what I have good friends I disagree with. Like on fundamental things, foundational things. And I don't care. I don't care because I think they're funny. I think their lives are funny. They're bad people. Many of my friends are not good people. I wouldn't even introduce them to other people I cared about. But they entertain me. And that used to be okay. Used to be able to go, "I like that guy. "He's entertaining." People go, "He is crazy. "He was in jail." You go, "Eh, you always minimize." You minimize that. You go, "Sure he was." Maybe. I don't know what happened between him and her. Someone fell down his stairs. He's fun sometimes. And you should be able to do that. Not everyone's gonna agree with you. It's okay. You gotta life is too short. - No, you want that. You don't want everybody to agree with you. - No. - You want to live in a world of texture. - Yes. - Yeah. You want to live in a world. You want to have the Joey Diaz of the world. - Totally. - You want to have some wild people out there. They're fun. - And that the problem with the generation under me is they're all very like this. And they all went to the same liberal arts schools that have taught them like this orderly way of processing information. And they're all afraid to like say things. They say them in a very well, well, the rape gang, they're gangs, they're raping. Well, that's bad. But there's a lot of. I don't know what's been proven. And there's a lot of racism. Like, they just always. They're so afraid of having an independent thought. Because they've been programmed. Their entire lives, they don't realize it. They've been programmed their entire lives to believe a certain set of things. And their self-worth depends on those things mattering. The school you want to. The internship you got. The corporation whose dick you have to sock sometimes literally to stay in it. That is where they derive their self-worth from. So their entire world crumbles if you challenge any of their ideas. - This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online, like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too. With Visible, you get unlimited 5G and unlimited hotspot. All powered by Verizon's 5G network. The perks of big wireless for half the cost. Visible isn't just a wireless plan. It's unlimited wireless designed to keep you connected and no contract holding you back. Switch today at Visible.com. Plan start at just $25 a month or get our premium Visible Plus pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code Rogan and exclusive offer for podcast listeners. - Yeah, and it's very confusing for young people. Because the whole thing acts like a religion. It acts like a cult and you have to kind of go along with every aspect of it or you'll be excommunicated. You'll be kicked out just like you get kicked out of Scientology. You get kicked out and if your life is and it's sterile and it's corporate and it's boring and that to me is one of my biggest problems with a lot of people that I speak to is that they seem genuinely afraid to use their mind for more than what the allotted functions are. - You mean afraid to express themselves? - Yeah, yeah. - Well, they're afraid to even entertain thoughts in their own head. - They wanna avoid the punishment. - Yeah. - It's a scary punishment. Have you seen this new Army Hammer movie that is out now? - No, but some vigilante movie. - He's great. Fan of him. Big fan of him. Think he's great. Love everything he's doing. And I like it. I like you can't get canceled. People come right back. - Well, I don't know if he's necessarily coming back. I mean, if this movie's gonna bring him back, I should say. I mean, what did he say? I mean, he said he wanted to eat girls. - He was texting me, he wanted to eat. - I wanted to eat a couple of people. You know, is that a problem? - But is it real? Is it just crazy talk? - Even if it was. - Even if it was. Is it consensual or not? - I mean, is it just saying wild things? Like what is it? - Listen. - What is it? - His fantasy was that we wanted to be accountable. That was his like fantasy. That was his kink. Now, it was fake, but if it was in a situation where it could have been real, - Yeah, he would have tried a heart. (laughing) - He's more my hammer. - If army hammer had the money to arrange this, and some people in our country do, if you have the money to arrange it, he's trying to heart. 1,000%. And by the way, does it make me hate him? Does it make me hate him? As long as a person was dead or ready, I'm against it. I would never do it. But if you told me, this is how open I am to different people. If you told me army hammer, there was somebody died and there was a heart in army hammer tried a little bit of the heart. I'd go, "Hey, fine, live and let live." - Do you know the story of General Butt naked? - No. - General Butt naked is a guy in Liberia. So Liberia is a part of Africa. I don't wanna fuck this up. So let's be, let's check on this. I think what happened in Liberia is, they released a bunch of slaves from the United States and sent them to Liberia like after slavery was abolished. - Right. - And I think Liberia has had a series of civil wars, like really crazy brutal ones. And in one of them, there's this guy named General Butt naked and vice covered this guy. They interviewed him and essentially now he's a priest. He's a preacher and he gave his love to Jesus Christ and now he's saved. But back then, he would talk about how he would go into war completely naked and then they would kidnap children of the opposing army cut their heart out and eat it for protection. - That's certainly an extreme way to do it. - He did that, but then he found Jesus. So it's okay. - Well, it is certainly better and that's, wouldn't a lion's kind of do that or was that human sacrifice? - They did a lot of human sacrifice along with the Aztecs. What happened with Liberia? Is that an accurate depiction? So Liberia was established in 1822 by the American colonization society as a refuge for formerly enslaved and free-born black Africans to relocate to Africa. Yeah, there it is. Over several decades, roughly 16,000 freed slaves known as American Liberians migrated there while envisioned as a sanctuary, the nation later faced its own internal scandals regarding forced labor and human exploitation. - Yeah. - Interesting. - See if you can find that general but naked guy though. This guy, this whole story is fucking crazy. Is this it? Okay. - Cheese. - Yeah. - Militia of several dozen fighters known as the naked base commandos or but naked brigade, most of whom were children as young as nine, operating under the Monrovia area with his unit, how do you say his name? Blahy, Blahy? I'm not sure how to say his name. Became known as wearing only shoes and magic charms and eventually adopted the nom de gure general but naked. His fighters followed his patterns of dress. which in line with his distorted emulation of animus tradition believed he could believe could make one immune to bullets to fund his wartime activities and secure a steady supply of drugs for his fighters. Balah he allegedly traded locally mind diamonds and gold to Mexican drug cartels in exchange for guns and cocaine. Let's fucking go. He can scripted many of his fighters and according to some accounts laced the food he fed them with cocaine along with showing them Jean-Claude Van Damne films and to explaining them that killing people was a game in an effort to uproot the fear of death. His fighters he and his fighters perpetrated numerous atrocities although the exact extent of the crimes they committed have been subjected to dispute frequently discussed the ledger atrocities perpetrated which in according to Balah he including murders cannibalism and human sacrifice. He has repeatedly estimated that the naked base commandos were ultimately responsible for 20,000 deaths a claim which has come under criticism. Okay yeah and he's alive now and he's religious now yeah have them on and I bet he's a lovely person that's the thing. By the way I would here is open invitation he's I open invitation. Look it's got Jesus on his shirt. He's led a full life and there's something about someone who has led a full life. This man has led a full life. There he is. Looks like Beatles General Butt naked. Wow crazy. It's say imagine seeing a dude naked was dong flop and running at you with an AK-47 with kids blood all over his face I mean that's that's I mean that's disturbing but I imagine that there are very rich people in our country seeing that and paying good money to see it. One of the things that we were talking about with before the show started yeah we're out in all way we're talking about how there's a giant chunk of the world that's fucked yeah and what's coming into England it's not like it's unusual for other parts of the world you know if you go to Karachi that's what life is chaos yeah which is chaos is making its way into these protected bubbles and that's what's freaking people out we live in a very privileged even even the poorest and the worst which is obviously you know it's not to minimize their struggles but if you go to any of those third world countries you're very aware of how privileged you are to live in a Western country and you know it also makes a lot of sense why the people in those third world countries would want to leave them and go to other places for opportunity and I think immigration's had a lot of positive impacts on America and it's had a lot of positive impacts on Britain and other countries and it's not it's not the idea that immigration is all bad or all good it's the idea that like you have to do things a certain way because you know societies are fragile this is what we're learning we're learning the societies are more fragile when I grew up that wasn't a common thought that our society was very fragile right we thought it was very strong right we actually thought nothing could break us and didn't you look at a couple years of a pandemic and most of the downtowns of the American cities don't look the same commerce has changed in a dramatic way the Iran war proved that you know military military is obviously brave men and women they're amazing but like the changing nature of warfare has made military campaigns very difficult hard to look at this Iran war as a victory it's almost impossible unless you're completely dishonest I don't think anyone is looking at it as a victory so I think our vulnerability in you know to threats foreign and domestic we are more aware of that now than we have ever been how fragile societies are so when you demographically change a society very quickly which has never happened historically it took wars long periods of immigration now it's over night people have to adjust to a new cultural and sometimes economic reality that's a very disruptive thing and societies are very fragile and you've got to be very careful about how you alter and change a society because if you do it too quickly there's a tremendous backlash and you have to make sure that people want it changed that people are on board with it not everyone no one's on board with everything but like if you went to a lot of people in these countries that live in the bigger cities they would probably be very pro immigration and because immigration has a lot of clear benefits to them they get food delivered all the time they have access to a lot a wide variety of goods and services that immigrants bring a lot of them are awesome a lot of great food you know so obviously but again if you went out into the suburbs and you went out into areas where the economies have stagnated areas where maybe you've had scandals like this grooming scandal and things like that Sweden whose crime rate is skyrocketed because you brought in a lot of people from other places that are selling drugs and not all of them obviously but like if you look at that and those people have a much more negative view of it because they don't connect the benefits of it because they don't they don't fuel them in their life right they were living pretty sweet they were living good they were living pretty sweet they're riding the fucking bicycles and eating herring safe out there pretty safe and doing what they wanted to do and then you know you have this influx of people you now have real poverty you now have a lot of people brought in people that came from a war torn war torn country yeah and not everyone's gonna be general but naked who becomes a Christian pastor and is probably lovely now you probably seem in H.E.B. you're like sweetheart eight-a-few people children maybe but now it's better that guy not everyone's gonna convert not everyone's gonna be you know you're gonna bring people in that are people are products to an extent of their environment like we all are so the idea that like you know women of less rights in these countries so the courtship rituals in these countries are different the familial relations are different that's just the way it is so and and a lot of people there like that so you know why would why would those beliefs in systems of change just because you happen to be living in Ireland right why would you think Irish women or British women would necessarily or inherently get more respect than your wives daughter or sisters whatever and I'm not saying that it's all like throughout the entire Islamic world I think there's a lot of diversity in the Muslim world and there are lots of countries where there's arguments of women are safer than they are in America but there's a lot of countries where that's not the case and women of far fewer rights and and it's pretty barbaric and I don't know why those attitudes would change when they are just in a different physical location the spectacular bazaarness of it is that the really kind left-wing people who oppose toxic masculinity right oppose this sort of society that's that we're talking about this this male dominated society like you're inviting in something that literally has that as it's doctrine well they think it can be tamed so here's the thing with those people they love a challenge this is the I can fix him version of it and to an extent cultural attitudes do change over time people do assimilate to certain practices that's not a completely ridiculous thing to think but they really believe that once all of these people come to these countries and see how great it is to be a childless 40-year-old woman working in data entry at a large faces corporation that's gay on Pride Month the corporation goes gay and when they see how happy she or he or they is living in a society where you don't own anything you know it's interesting about family I just spoke to a comedian who went on a world tour he was in India and he was talking about how poor people in India don't live on the street they live in slums which it's it's better it's better to live in slums than the street because a lot of poor people are with their families and they won't cast their family out family in America almost means like nothing like we've we've kind of we've everything's such an individual pursuit that family means nothing and like that's reinforced like I I am an argument with my father his wife has different political views on certain things so we haven't spoken in a little bit my cousin's getting married and I told I have a therapist now that I've had for six months who I don't know if it's good I don't know if you ever know if a therapist is good or not and I told my therapist you know my dad and his wife are gonna be there and I haven't spoken to them but I love my cousin and I want to support her marriage I want to go and my therapist goes well you don't have to go my therapist goes if you feel like it's gonna make you happy go so therapy in our country is has become a way to kind of enable like sick people to just become selfish psychopaths and family in America means almost nothing and it is reinforced how little family means because like doctors will tell you, yeah fuck it, your father cares. So it's basically a thing where like I think when you go to these other countries and you realize how deeply rooted a lot of things are in family and culture and tradition and then we come from a country where like almost very little is, I'm not saying people don't have great families here, but like, you know, America is about you and it's not about if you don't agree with your sister, fuck her, if your mother disagrees with you, block her, that's our country and in other countries, that's unheard of, like that's unheard of, like it doesn't happen and you know the comedian was explaining to me like in India, there's like a lot less of a drug problem in certain areas and he was and he was wondered why and he goes, well people don't want to do drugs to like disgrace their family, even poor people, even poor people, be like, I don't want to be a drug addict, my family's going to think bad about that. Whereas here, there's people that will shoot up in front of their parents, you know what I mean? Like, so it's just a different, like it's culturally we've gotten to this point where people are having less children, family means very little. So then what is replaced that? It's clearly the state and corporations and ideology. And ideology? So they've replaced families and communities? Well, the ideology is your community because you're online most of the time. Yes, a giant percentage of the interactions you have with people on social media. Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue, just plump, dewy hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Maybe it's Maybelline. So I think that like that world, we have a pretty secular world. What is that? That is so interesting. Yes. Interesting. I thought it was something that, no, it's a CBD. I thought it was somebody gave you something that's like, you're about to transcend or something. Oh no. I thought you were like, it's DMT. Imagine? I'm bored with you. I'm going someone else for a few minutes. What's the last time you've done DMT? It's been a while. Interesting. Should I do it? Should we all do it? Yeah. I'm going to have a cigarette. Are you thinking about it? I'm thinking about maybe doing it. A lot of people have asked me about it. It's Christianly. That's pure molecule thing years ago was an awesome documentary. You know this Andrew Galamor guy? Do you know what he's doing? So he's, what is his exact discipline? He's a psychologist. He's doing these things in a country where it's legal, where you fly there and you do a five hour DMT experience, like intravenous. He's a chemical pharmacologist, neurobiologist, and a writer. One of the most world's leading experts on psychedelics. Very interesting guy. And he's creating this place. I forget what it's called. Do you remember the name of the place? No. A lot of people know to Ayahuasca. That's an orally active version of DMT. This thing seems a little little crazier because they can kind of regulate the dose much better and they can keep you there for a long period of time. Illucius. Okay. So like the Illucinian mysteries from the from ancient Greece. So this place, it's in Bakuia. Am I saying that right? In the Caribbean. In March of 2026. And the aim is to study DMT X and DMT entities and attempt to communicate with these entities. So one of the things that he's saying. So he was just on someone's podcast. Maybe Danny Jones. He was been on this podcast as well. But one of the things that he was saying was that they keep going to the same place. They're actually trying to create a map of whatever this experience is. So instead of doing it like an Ayahuasca ceremony or doing it like you're smoking DMT and some sort of a psychedelic ceremony with your friends. And it's a 15 minute experience. Instead of that, they're having repeated experiences in the same environments. Like there's actually a place that you can go and by regulating the dose. Somehow or another over a prolonged period of time. It allows you to maintain this state and keep entering deeper and deeper into whatever the fuck this is. But it seems to be mapable. Okay. It's the basement. That's what it was. So it is a J from the Y files, which is an awesome YouTube show if you've never seen it before. And so he's talking about it doesn't take you to somewhere new. It unlocked what's always there. These guys are they're trying to develop like maps of what this is. So they keep experiencing. They're charting out different entities that you experience. And there's a bunch of different ones that you you experience. And one of them I've seen multiple times is gestures. Interesting. And these bizarre looking psychedelic gestures. Interesting. I wonder if they were the original gestures. I wonder if like the reason why gestures dress the way they do with these dangly things off their heads. Because this is what you experience in the psychedelic state. And they're trying to recreate it. But what they they've done when I've done it is mock me and make me realize that I'm taking myself seriously. Like one time there was like like fractal. There's millions of them. I don't know how many and they were all giving me the finger like this. And I was like and it was a and I said I go oh I take myself too seriously. They go yeah. It was like there's little corrections of your psyche that take place during these experiences. Interesting. It's very weird. I'm scared to do it. Well I'm scared I'll go in and it'll be fractals of JD Vance. Yeah, it's all JD Vance going you need to learn about AI. No, I don't know. I find it fascinating. Well it is. It's definitely fascinating. Chase Hughes is just in the podcast and he did it somewhere in the United States where they did some five hour DMT experience. And he was you know it's like changes. Whatever you are now is a totally different version of who you were before you had that experience. Interesting. Which is like life overall over you know day after day month after month week after week year after year you become a different thing. You're a different person than you used to be. Sure. Sometimes an experience like a psychedelic experience can make it abrupt. And then you instantaneously become a different person. It's so it's so fascinating because we are having all these conversations about aliens and entities and demons and whatever. I think it's connected. Yeah. I think what these psychedelic things allow you to do is experiencing things. You're experiencing things that are already there that have been there all the time. You just lack the ability to see them. You're you're tuning into it pharmacologically. Like there's they're changing the chemistry of your brain. And it's not an alien chemical. That's the nutty part about it. DMT is produced by the human body. It's produced in the brain. It's produced in the liver. When you do release is when you die. I don't know. Maybe it's very poorly understood. There's not I mean there's been some work done on it. One of the big ones was Rick Strossman. He wrote a book called DMT The Spirit Molecule. And he did this it was really kind of brilliant. He had an FDA study that he got this is all like government approved study on psychedelics. Under the guys he wants to find out how bad they are for you. Interesting. So he told them we want to study the dangers of these drugs. That's where I got all the money. Yeah. And so he writes his book like this. It's amazing. Smart. And by doing that and then studying they studied the Cottonwood Research Foundation. They're studying where DMT is coming from. So like the thought was that it's coming from the pineal gland. So the pineal gland is like literally a third eye in the middle of your head. Now they think it's coming from the whole brain. They don't really there's the human body produces. That's the most important part. So the human body produces this of the most potent of all psychedelic chemicals that transports you into another world. Like how weird is it that the body produces a gateway to some other place. Now whether it's perceived or a hallucination. The experience is the same. So you can get hung up all the time on the oh you're just seeing things that aren't there. These are visions. Okay. Maybe. Maybe what you're doing is experiencing something that's real. Like it might not be something that you could put on a scale. It might not be something that you can measure with a ruler. But it doesn't mean it's not real. And I think we are very arrogant in our assumptions that we have an understanding of all that exists with all that we know about bacteria molecules and cells and the mitochondria and then subatomic particles and like what there's the just the reality that we've observed is so fucking bizarre. The idea that we know what's real and what's not real and you can say oh it's just the hallucination. This is the reality is you go to Tim Hortons you get yourself a donut and you're going to work. Right. No I think I have a feeling that what that experience is is you being able to see something that exists around you. Well a lot of people are very hopeful I wasn't one of them per se but this idea that like we're on the edge of some disclosure that the government was going to start telling us things about about extraterrestrials and remember that? - Well, the creepiest ones that got going around was that they had brought together lots of pastors to talk to them about disclosure because disclosure is going to disrupt the fabric of society so greatly. And the question was, what were they going to tell them? And so what I have been hearing from people that supposedly know things about UFOs was that they were told that religion was created by aliens to keep people in line and that humans are the product of accelerated evolution and they needed some sort of an origin story that made sense with rules and morals and ethics and guidelines to follow and something to worship because without that people are lost. And so that these aliens have created that. - Well, please let Trump say that in a press conference. He's the president to say that. - Yeah, I gotta talk to him. - He's the president of them. - To get on there and go, guys, listen, just we don't know what's going on. The straights are removed, they're open, they're closed, they're open, they're closed, who gives a fuck anymore. Anyway, there is no God, you were all created by aliens and you were told a bunch of lies about it. Good luck, keep going to work, market's up. Straights open, market's up. - It's not even that there is no God. - Well, right. - It's that the God story that you've been told is formulated in a way for your tribal primate brain to accept and understand. - Right. - And that there's probably a true story to all of it. If you go back far enough and if you got the actual events that they were trying to lay out, there's too much of a stuff that's in the Bible. Like, is that historically verifiable? - Totally, but do you think they didn't tell people that because they thought it would be too disruptive? - Well, here's the thing, there's a lot of stuff that when you talk about the Bible, right, you're talking about a series of stories. - Sure. - Especially when you get to the Old Testament. It's a series of stories. And some of these stories aren't in the Bible that were a part of the religious canon of the day. And one of them is the book of Enoch. So Anna Paulina Luna told me about, she's like, "You really have to read that." And I was like, "Okay." Like, she was so adamant about it. I'm like, "Okay, let me read it." So I listened to on tape in the sauna, which is the perfect way to do it. I'm listening to audio book, it's 195 degrees. I'm sweating my balls off, I'm dying in there, and I'm listening to this fucking crazy account that is in the same Dead Sea Scrolls as they found the book of Isaiah, the same collection of these religious texts. And it's all about how the watchers came down and made it with the daughters of man and chose them as wives, and then created this race of beings called the Nephilim, which were giants that ruled the earth. Like, this is in the Bible. It's, they talk about the Nephilim. In the Bible. - In the Bible. - They talk about Enoch. Like, he's referenced in the Bible. - Right. - But the book of Enoch, the stories that are in the book of Enoch are fucking bananas, like completely bananas. And the only reason why it's not in the Bible, a bunch of rabbis decided that it didn't align with the Torah, the Torah, the Talmud. I forget which one. But they decided like this contradicts some of the stories that are in other religious texts. So we're gonna keep that one out. - Interesting. - 'Cause it was a collection of these things that's all together, who were these rabbis? - Exactly. - Right. - I mean, who are all these people that wrote these things down? You know, I have this bit where I read out of the book of Ezekiel and there's like the hilarious parts of the book of Ezekiel. And then there's also parts that sound like they're talking about a UFO. Like these profound experiences. And then other things were talking about a prostitute. It's very funny. - Right. - But this whole thing is a bunch of people's interpretations of stories written down, passed down, generation to generation, written largely intact once it was an original piece. So like they found the book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls and it's identical to the book of Isaiah that is a thousand years newer. So that was older than the book of Isaiah that they had by a thousand years. The oldest one they ever found and it was verbatim. - Right. - So once they got these stories down, they wrote them over and over and over again. And like priests would learn to do that and monks would learn to do that with their religious texts. They would rewrite things over and over again as part of the practice. And someone knows, in some subterranean part of the government, they know something or many things that they're not going to tell people because it would be disturbing or disrupt them. - This was a story about Jimmy Carter. No, the story about Jimmy Carter was Jimmy Carter, I believe in 1969. He had some sort of a very strange UFO experience that was very real to him. Very bizarre, saw something. And part of his thing was once he gets into office, he wants to tell people. The story is that he was briefed. They explained to him something about the reality of the UFO experience, like what it really is. And he was crying that he wept openly. So what could that mean? Like what would that mean? When he was a very religious guy. - Well, he was kind of a pussy, so he was like. - Here's a bitch and this habitat for humanity, I never understood. I thought it was, you know. - I think he's a genuinely good person. - Of course he was. - He built houses for people. - Yeah, he was never enriched himself. But he was also, if you read books about him, he was kind of an operator too. He was kind of, he was into the peanut stuff, right? He was a peanut farmer or something? Yeah, you know, he was, nobody gets to be the, yeah, he was sweetest. - Sweetest. - Sweetest. - Like one of the sweetest of all of the brothers. - He was still the president. But so they, who is doing this explain? It's just the men and black people from the depths of Raven Rock, or Cheyenne military, or wherever the hell they are. - What they could be doing is covering up years of lying to Congress and misappropriation of funds for all these black ops programs. And the way they can get out of jail, is because of the go and tell the government. Oh yeah, by the way, we lied to Congress for 50 years. There's no solid, verifiable evidence that Jimmy Carter cried. Of course there's no solid evidence. - Jamie, stop being an ark. - He's an ark. - He's an ark. - He's a ark. - He's an ark of control. For UFO stories based on second or third-hand anecdotes, those are my favorite, and is not confirmed by Carter himself or primary official sources. I think it's true. - I think it's true, too. - About his 1969 sighting, Carter describes seeing a strange light, but did not mention crying or be emotionally shattered by it. Yeah, but I don't think that's what they're saying. They're saying he was emotionally shattered by the disclosure. - And then you got a-- - Crying after UFO briefing. - You've got to live with that knowledge. So he's just got to go round now and-- - Richard Dolan, who's by far one of the best guys to read about UFOs and UAPs, very balanced guy. And like very evidence-based guy. He includes a lot of crazy stories, but he never goes along with them. - Richard Dolan's really good. - He's got a bunch of books. So I don't know if it's true. - Is the Jake Farber guy real? - He's the guy that said that he actually had to move a UFO, right, with a helicopter? - Yes. - I haven't talked to him. - I was just watching it, but it's too long. These UFO guys, it's all three or four out like it's not-- - But Jesse Michaels does a lot of very in-depth ones with these guys. - Yeah. - It's long, but the good thing about that is, if someone's like really full of shit, after a couple of hours, you kind of say, you see tendencies that maybe they're exaggerate or they make things up, or they leave stuff out, or whatever it is. - But imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. 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But then, you know, - Could be China. - Could be China flexing and pulling their dick out. - Right. - So check out what we have, mother fuckers. - Who knows? - Who knows? - But there was a lot of things that those things were doing that we don't know that they can do. One of the things, like they were flying for hours at a time. And so what's the fuel source? 'Cause it's not batteries. Downed U.S. pilot reported seeing Iranian drones swarm in jellyfish formation. Whoa. Well, they're probably getting drones from, you know, - Tonellis, China. - Tonellis, China, Russia, of course. - Who knows? - So the highest end of high end government drones that we don't know about. Who knows what those fucking things can do? Multiple drones interconnected and moving as one with smaller drones below the bigger drones, like legs. One of the sources familiar with the pilot's witness account told CNN, "Real alien shit." Another source told CNN the pilot described witnessing a minefield of drones in the air. Holy shit. When did this happen? - 13 hours ago, this was posted. - So 13 hours ago, this F-15 got down. - I mean, he's talking and they're reporting it. So I don't, the actual. - Bro, how nuts is that? They got taken out by alien drones in April. - Whoa, so he ejected from the aircraft. The Iranian drones hovering in the air moving as one in a formation that resemble a jellyfish. - Fuck, dude. - Yeah, I mean, so there is a chance that it is R, it's DARPA, and it's all of these countries that are, you know, you have these black projects, they have these secret defense projects, and they're saying it's extraterrestrial. - I think if I was running an undercover operation, For as many years as these people probably have been doing and with Eric Weinstein thinks he thinks it's like a separate branch of physics He thinks there's a bunch of physicists We went into the crazy invasion to get these guys back. Oh, this is those guys. Oh, oh, this is how they got taken out Oh, wow, this opens up a lot more questions. Wow, wow Right, right. Yeah, yeah, use the heart the heartbeat thing. That was the whole right that's what they said Yeah, so the heartbeat thing was the thing that they said that they were able to locate this guy's heartbeat His his very unique heartbeat in the mountains were who's hiding wow and everybody was like, well, that's bullshit I don't know. I don't know and it's based on some sort of quantum something or another What is it called again? And then the fucking White House said that did you see that today? What is that what they posted something on their That they're gonna announce them about quantum computing. Oh, Christ. Do you think that? God's they're making a joke about Q with it. That's sort of why I asked if you guys had seen that What's the joke about Q? I don't find the pose. Okay I think they have drones that move like UFOs. I think for sure I know where are they getting this technology? I don't know do you think it's possible extra terrestrials are giving us technology? It is possible. So the reason White House will be Q posting today. What I'm just trolling and I want to find you all the way down and it says And by Q we mean quantum stay tuned. See here's a look at how much they're trolling There's a lot of space. There's the most committed people I've ever encountered. Yeah, they're fun I've never encountered people who are so committed to anything the UFO people are close sure I mean the Q people are 10 years in going trust the plan. It's coming and you go guys It's unbelievable how how dedicated they are to the plan and That it's still morphing and going in different directions and the data centers are actually prisons for people who did the vaccine They're not data centers They're still going and that level of commitment is what America's about. It's about that. It's about not giving up Don't give up. Don't give up You're too deep in to give up. I've my advice to anyone in that movement stay in it because you there's no there's nothing good on the outside Reality's not good. Stay in that movement. Take it as far as you can. What would the government possibly have to announce about quantum computing? No idea. What was the quantum heartbeat thing? What was that thing called? How do they locate that that gentleman? I don't remember them never coming out and saying because people were speculating that like how could you even do it? I think right on the podcast next day. I was like that's not how quantum stuff works right But I don't know if they know that for sure so they don't really know what the technology is But what was the technology that the government described because they described it as very bizarre and they was a name for it that Involves something quantum and they said that somehow or another they were able to detect this guy's heartbeat Right unique heartbeat for my think was like was it 70 or 700 miles away? Seven this was posted on the New York Post Secret never before you CIA tool that helps find airman downed in Iran. If your heart is beating we will find you Wow, so this is it long range quantum magnetometry To find the electromagnetic signal of a human heartbeat that pairs with the data pairs the data with artificial intelligence software to isolate the signature from background noise And so how what is the range on this stuff because they were saying 40 miles I think they found this guys with the claim voice But then they say the range is up to like 70 miles something along those lines. So I don't know if you know how long they had this right is it even real? Yeah, but this is the thing. It's like is it real like so this is a post that's in the New York Post and I think it was from Did someone release this as a statement like what did they do to say they did it? The confirmate okay, so I close Saturday morning Yeah, they're CIA director talking about yeah, there you go. Yeah, it's missing American 40 miles away. That was unclear Okay, that's trump saying that not so these are two different or three different speeches all going in together I guess maybe they spoke at the same press conference. So here's the other thing if that technology doesn't exist Right and they just made that up to cover for technology that does exist So maybe there's technology that does exist that's some sort of Large-scale satellite imagery of the earth it gets down to like a grain of sand and they can find anybody anywhere They could just doubt find out where the plane is scan the area Bam there is there is okay. We don't want to say we have this right. What are we gonna say? Let's say we have Quantum heart rate that goes from our geometry. Yeah, we can find we can find just lane Maxwell in New Hampshire When that came out people were asking, yeah, why couldn't you use it? She was in New Hampshire. Yeah. Where is you know, whatever Well, it could be that that technology just recently got invented. That's also possible. Well, they're still missing people Guthrie is missing still right? I don't just we shouldn't have missing people then if that technology exists That's a weird thing and my heart goes out to her But that's the crazy thing I've ever heard. Yeah, that's a weird one and didn't they like they looked at family members as suspects I think they looked at family members. Is she back and I think she's back to work in the story I don't know and isn't she back to work? I don't know. What did you say there's a break in the story? No, I think the story got updated recently Yeah, there's something about a note ransom note claim Nancy got three died After abduction and well, well, that's a well, you're not going to get ransom then Second and some no claims she died. Yeah, this is Well, that's that's a horrible ransom note. So someone posted a note saying that she died. I want money It's a ransom note that says she died. What about what if it's she died just give us She were sorry she died just give us what you want It's not a it's not a specific amount of money. It's just give what you feel is it's like church give what you can We're sorry she passed away give what you can we're not going to say a specific amount of money So the note sent days after the disappearance. Oh, so this is not new. Oh indicated she had died But contained no request for payment for the release of her body three people familiar with the matter said Though the existence of the note was known the specific contents had not been previously disclosed So it's just the contents were disclosed that they knew that she was dead It seems like it's an inside thing. It seems like if someone's involved at knew them I mean, I hate to think that but it does feel like it's what was the was there a request for money? What was the first request Originally, yeah, I think it was a bunch of Bitcoin or something they wanted what it let's find out what it was It's a horrible thing obviously like to know But it does seem like to me say inside job Well, someone certainly Okay, the reason for families involved maybe not. I don't know Hmm Ask AI press AI mode You can't do it. Okay put it in there put it in perplexity How much do you think they asked for I bet 10 million 10 million from mom five Five let's say tens a lot multi-million dollar payments in cryptocurrency mostly Bitcoin with amounts ranging from about four To six million and set deadlines sometimes with escalating or else consequences terrible Uch. This is this is insane, but think about it. Is that random? I guess it could be it could be But there was there was some concern that it was concerned Did it was something that a family member did this? Yeah, who knows it's sick Oh The Bitcoin things weird too like you could transfer money and Bitcoin There was a group of people that wanted me to advertise on my podcast and it was a um Like a meme coin thing and that was like a platform whatever and then I was like but they're like identities were shrouded Did people knew who they were but they were also very secretive because they didn't want to get kidnapped and they split their time between Dubai and London At CAA, you know came to me and they were like hey, they want to give you a bunch of money and I go What are they and CAA is like well, you know, it's crypto, you know, they don't you know, I mean demons from hell no offense love my people But they were I was like I got to meet them I got to meet them and sit down and talk to them as human beings and like ask them what their company does everything like that And then immediately once I requested that they said okay, they'll all meet you in Dubai and Talk to you about the company. I said I can't I need to know like I know like you know whatever They pulled the offer and wouldn't meet interesting. Yeah Yeah, so there's there's all these shit because by the way here's a great way to fuck someone is to advertise on their show And then go by the way the money came from Russia Yeah, and you didn't even know that was isn't that happened to a bunch of right way? I'm sure it happened to some It's hard to know who knew what but like it's great It's what a great way to just make people appear compromised So when somebody when you go where's this money coming from maybe it's an intelligence agency Maybe it's ours maybe it's someone else. But you start going like all right I need to sit down with you have dinner with you It doesn't mean that I would necessarily be able to know who like if these guys will agenda not but the fact that they wouldn't even meet for a dinner tells me that something was up. Also a friend of mine who's working at a company that's producing long show, long form shows for YouTube creators told me that a lot of the money is coming from Democrat super PACs because they want a captive audience to be programmed politically and not only Democrat super PACs but like super PACs that are associated with certain issues and things like that. So what they're going to start doing is like getting behind content and you know funding longer form things on social media platforms and things like YouTube or whatever and then those companies that are kind of in the background of this will then say oh we have an audience of five or 10 million people watching this, we can put political ads on it and whatever else. So I mean this is kind of I think the future is going to be all many things like this and when you can do it through something like crypto, like if you can hide your identity like who knows if it's even a real company, it could be a company designed entirely just for influence. It's very questionable, you have the intelligence world, you have the crypto world and you know you have the world of international crimes indicates like they all live in that world and I'm not saying people that are into crypto inherently suspect in any way, obviously they're not, but there is a lot of fuckery going on with the intelligent stuff in the crypto. It's like obvious, clearly, whenever there's money, if the amount of money that you can make in crypto is fucking bananas and it doesn't make any sense, right? So whenever there's money in drugs, right? Like this is our ran control. Yeah, there is money in anything. They find a way to get a part of that money. I think what concerns people partially about this administration is some of the crypto stuff. I think people are concerned with some of the coins and some of the, you know, crypto, or Melania coins legit. That one I love. But the rest I worry. No, but I think I think it's a fair concern. It is because that's legal. It's legal, but it's like should it be, should it be, should it be, should it be, wait for sure. I mean, there's some freedom to you being able to make your own coin and you back it with money, I guess, but it's also a way that you can launder money. And it's also where you could pay people off for stuff. And do people into spending their money, you know, to be in like, I think a lot of people. Yeah, I mean, that poor girl, huh? Poor girls. They got her. They got her. They got her. They got her. I hope she did well on that. I bet she didn't really probably not so many terms of what she could be doing, sad, right? Because the shoes they get mad at you for something like that. Well, they don't like any more. They get the wrong thing. And it's sad. No, I don't want to or something. I also don't know if she was going to be Merrill Striep, but it was, it was, it was, it could have gone outside. Girl makes more money than anybody. It's true. But I think it could have gone on longer than it, what a, what a society we live. I mean, I just, that just hit me, I just like hit my brain that she makes more money than me. It's true. I was listening to your take on the White House UFC card being the end of Maga. Yeah. And at the moment when that guy said Michelle Obama's a man. Yeah. Well, it's just the greatest thing for it. If you're a deep, deep hardcore, and I don't even mean the, like, the America first principles, I just mean like, you're alone for the ride. You're here for the part. There's a lot of maggot people that I'm friends with that are deep, they're not political. They're alone for the party. They like the party. Right. They want fun. Florida. It's 4 p.m. They're drunk. You know what I mean? And they're, they're in for the fun. And it's fun. They have like, they have like boat shows and regottas where like a bunch of boats will go out with Trump flags. When they're watching that UFC event in their house in St. Augustine or Tampa or, or fucking West Palm, whatever it is. And that guy stands up because Michelle Obama is a man. It's the culmination of things that you, they're not going to beat that. It's hard to beat that. That there were houses that cheered when that happened. It was 100%. How many do you think over the whole country? It was audible in Florida. Florida, I know for sure, it was audible for sure. People cheered and it was like, listen. Like outside bars. Yeah. It was a party. The fights were good. You know, it's like, to me, it's like, there's this, there's this, every cultural thing has a moment where it just explodes. And it's over after that. You know, it's like Hunter Thompson has that famous quote about it. And where he was part of this thing. And then it just, you know, we saw it happen with like celebrity culture. A lot of it, like that imagined video during COVID was kind of the end of it. Like people are like, shut up. Yeah. Like it really, it was like, they, they did that video and they didn't know it at the time. But people really started to turn on them. They're like, just shut up. There was the other one, the BLM one. Totally all of them. Sorry to be white or whatever it was. Same shit. Same kind of thing. People just said, okay, enough of this. And I do think that every movement just gets to a point where you've done all you can do, you've done all you can do. And when you are standing in the octagon of a UFC fight on the White House lawn and you're asked if you have anything to say and you scream, Michelle Obama's a man, that is the clock is struck midnight. That's that. I mean, I don't know what else you could do. That guy, Josh Hocket. Yeah. You know, that's like he's got a stick. Like he's got a character. That's fun. Incredible hook. And so he's basically like a pro wrestling bad guy who also is a really good fighter. Right. So there's a real problem there. What should have happened? Yeah. And he says crazy stuff. Well, they probably retrospect. Yeah. If they wanted to avoid this, probably shouldn't have had him fight on the White House lawn. Sure. Because if he said that at the T-Mobile Arena or in Madison Square Garden. Totally outrageous. Sure. But not that big a deal. But it's the yeah. But here's what should have happened afterwards. Michelle Obama should have made an undertaker like entrance. Let's go. All of a sudden the lights go. I don't. And then the light goes on on the balcony. Michelle and she comes on a on a court that she flies over. If Michelle Obama had made an undertaker like entrance and got in the stage and then body slant like can you imagine unbelievable? That would have been amazing. The country just exists for ratings. Now anyway, it's all it exists for. It's just that's all we're doing anymore. That would have been unbelievable. Here it is. This is what you guys are. I think for sure. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. She's an assuming the entire time. Michelle Obama comes down. You see Trump's Trump starts doing his dance. He's doing his Trump dance. She's got a cape. Bro, it would be the end. It would have been on fucking believable. And she would have been president next. She would have been president next with no election, no election. Dance is going to stand up to that. She should have descended from the rafters in a cape, fought that guy. You know, you know, choreographed. Yeah. Body slammer. It's fun, fake. And then she does an uppercut and then he's on a on a court and he sails out. Unbelievable. Mist opportunity. Mist opportunity. Because why not? Why not have some fun? Yeah. Why not? Why not have some idea there. They said or some wrestling event there. They could they could still pull it off. They could do it. And if she's smart, she hears this and she's on her phone with her people. Don't sue them. They were going to sue them. They thought about suing them. It's like, hey, stop with the suing all the time in this country. Do something fun. I agree. Too much suing. Well, there's there is this moment where the UFC thing was going on where like the planes flew overhead where it's just like, I'm like, is this even real? It's it was it was it was wild. It's such an amazing spectacle. It's hard to top. It was pretty amazing. That's what I mean is a place of entertainment. Of course. It was also the only UFC card in the history of the the sport where every fight was a knockout. Yeah. It's this was the that this is senior prom. Everyone's got to go to college next year. And you know, wherever they go, this is it. This is the party. Jack is a moment after senior prom or, you know, some party that you have senior, you know, the summer of seeing you looking around at all your friends, your high and drunk and you're looking around and you and if you're smart and most people, a lot of them have this thought to go, this is never going to be like this again. Right. This will never be like this again. We'll never be able to get together on the White House lawn into motor cross and watch UFC and call Michelle Obama a man. It started when he walked down the escalator. We went through a lot of things. The guy almost got shot. Who knows who did it? No one knows. No one seems to care whatever fine moving on. But, you know, he's he's you know, he's gone through many iterations. There's he's been out. He's been in. It's the most it's the most interesting story really in recent human history. And and this is the party to throw. And it's wild because we're not going to win the Iran war. We're not going to win the Iran war. It seems very clear that it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where we come out with like a decisive victory. So instead of that, we this, we did this. How is there no more open investigation into this assassination attempt. What happened there? 'Cause that's where Kent said that he was told to stop investing. - Do you want it honestly done? Do you know who you put in charge of it if you want it truly? And I'm being very serious. If you want an honest investigation, put Israel in charge. Joe, if you want, if you want it done right, have them do it. That's all I'm saying, just have them do it. Just have them do it. I would trust it. - You just think they should look at the Charlie Kirk assassination as well? - I would trust their conclusions. Have them do it. That would be my thought. Just a fun thought. - There's a lot of people that think it was a hoax and that it was a setup. - And if it was, I've said on my show, just tell us how you did it 'cause that's fun too. It's fun. - Pennsylvania men shot during Trump rally in Butler, sued the United States. Two men who were wounded in the shooting. They're suing James Copenhaver and David Dutch were shot during the attempted assassination of Trump. They're Tony's filed federal lawsuits against the United States for their life altering physical and emotional injuries, claiming those injuries were the direct result of negligence on the part of the United States Secret Service. Dutch was shot in the stomach while Copenhaver was shot twice. Yeah. - There's a suing ever end in this country. - But there's an argument that was negligent. - I, again, I, again, I told you again. Remember that woman, Kim Cheedle, who was in charge and then they put her back in a bunker? She was in charge of the Secret Service. Kim Cheedle. - That's right. That's right. - She was like the Chinese assistant. - The roof was too sloped to shrimp. - Yeah, she said the roof was too sloped to get poppers or softer. - But they shot the guy and he didn't even fall, he didn't roll off the roof. - Like the whole thing. - Well, the sloped of the roof that they were on was steeper. - If it's a fake assassination attempt, I don't care. I wanna know how it was done and so does the rest of America. Produced a special or Barry Weiss interview Donald Trump about how they fake the assassination attempt. Put it on the CBS, where she's doing, and she's taking over CNN now, so I think, and she's now isolated herself on the sixth floor of CBS where she can no longer see the staff and they cannot approach her. - Is that true? - That is correct, and she is guarded by guards. - What? - Yes. - Where do you hear this? - This is in the news. - She is, she's in a bunker, like the chaining the p-oct during 9/11, except it's Barry Weiss at CNN, surrounded by guards, and no one can, and it's like a militarized zone. She's in a militarized zone. - Barry and the bunker and Ellison at the gates. - Yeah, is this real? - She's unbelievable, by the way, I like her more now and she hates me, and that's sad. - Why does she hate you? - Well, you know, I've said things, but here's the thing. (all laughing) - I like her more now. - When did she start hating you after your hilarious impression? - She's turned on me, she turned on me a while ago. - Turned on you, how? - She texted me and was like, you're part of a world in which people are anti-Semitic, and I'm like, well, what am I, what am I doing? And she's like, you're part of this thing, and I was like, well, that's like, what am I, why am I? What is this guilt by association? I don't like this. - It's part of a thing that's anti-Semitic. - You're part of a cultural space of anti-Semitism, and I'm like, she's connecting you to-- - She's connecting you to all these different people, because the thing that she hated, and the thing that she crusaded against was this whole idea that like, she's applying the same principles that she supposedly didn't like, which is like, if you're willing to have a conversation with somebody, you endorse every one of their views. Or if you question something like Israel, you hate Israel, or you hate Jewish people, which is insane. And that was, I thought she was the one who was like, we should have nuance on the trans issue. What happened to that? What happened to being able to question gender ideology and all these things? Like why aren't we, where's the nuance? Where's the, why aren't we holding space for nuance? Bar? CBS news, boss, Barry Weiss, poised to oversee CNN editorial operations. Yeah, this is what he just said, right? Yeah, I saw that. - But she's living her best life as people would say, this is what she was meant to do. And when someone steps into their truth, I support them. And she is stepped into her truth. She's exactly where she should be in a bunker guarded by the military while she systematically destroys CBS. She's stepping into her truth. This is what she was, she was put there to destroy it. She was obviously put there to destroy it. She wasn't put there to make it work. She put there to just destroy it. And she's doing it. Do you think they understood the amount of pushback that they were gonna get? - I don't think they can, I think they said, listen, let's just put her in there and see what happens. Because who cares? Like the, but it's like these legacy media institutions are dying. They're not turning around. No one's going back to watching the evening news and they know that. These are billionaires, not idiots. Yeah, listen, they're not dumb. They said, let's have a little fun while this thing goes. - It says she took the helm of the struggling organization last month with a mandate to shake it up. Following David Ellison led SkyDance takeover of CBS parent company, Paramount in 2024. Paramount SkyDance bought Vice online outlet The Free Press for a cool 150 million. As she became editor in chief of CBS news. - Yeah, that's a lot of money for The Free Press. - Well, no, because if you look at the podcast ratings, it was you and then she was number two. - Wow. - So that's why, no, she would get 7,000 YouTube views. (laughing) And it seems high. It certainly seems like a lot. But, you know, when you take into account her cultural impact. - It's interesting because like when it came to her like pushing against woke ideology that it infected the New York Times, she seemed really reasonable. And there's this very famous clip of her talking to Brian Stelter where she talks about the world gone crazy. Remember that, the world gone mad? - Yes. - Where she's like very brilliantly lays out why if this is what you're saying, you know, when people are saying that silence is violence. - Right. - And not actual violence is violence. - Right. - The world's gone mad. - Right. - And she lays these all out and it's so brilliant. - Well, there's got to be room for nuance. Like October 7th was horrible. Hamas is not good. We all know this. However, you also cannot look at what's gone on the last few years and think that Israel has not number one perpetrator. You could call it, I call it a genocide. People can call it anything they want. Doesn't matter. It's a campaign of mass murder where a lot of people have died. Two billions have died. Many children have died. People that are innocent have died. And they're doing, they're starting to do something similar in Southern Lebanon. And they're now talking about Turkey. Going by the way, Turkey also is a, Turkey's a native of fucking country. So the idea that any criticism of Netanyahu or these really government or Israel or our relationship with Israel or the money makes you anti-Semitic is an insane thing. It's the exact thing that she fought against in race and gender. She fought against that mannequin, good and evil, black and white. She fought against it and she was right. She was correct to say, you should be able to have conversations about when is it appropriate for a child to be exposed to certain ideas. And when should they be able to make a determination about how they want to live their life? And like, when is it appropriate for people to call, to designate between a protest and a riot? And the silence is violence and all of that stuff. She had really pretty logical opinions on all that stuff. But when it came to that one issue, she seems very incapable of understanding any nuance or gray area or complexity regarding this particular issue. - No, she is all in for Israel. - And that's fine. That's her choice and I get it. But it's so obvious when a Mark Levin goes, the president's great, 'cause we're going into Iran, because the president's great. He's the greatest leader of all time. And then he goes, well, this didn't work out like we thought, we're gonna make a deal and we're gonna try to, and then Mark Levin goes, this is a failure, this is a blunder, this is a strategic thing. And it's like, for who? Is it for us? It's not a failure, it's clearly a failure for us. But it seems like the bigger failure would be for Israel that wants Iran neutered because they have aspirations regionally, globally, but certainly regionally. So who's it a failure for? And that's a fair question. And I think it's like, you've gotta be able to have that conversation without being tarred and feathered as someone who's like a conspiracy-mongering anti-Semite, which is like, there's a group of people that are, but a lot of people just want sanity. And this is not saying. And just like you were talking about with the banks, forcing that shit down, people's throats that it's gonna make them, yeah, same thing. Nobody understands blowback. Like the CIA turned blowback when you're like, go into a country, kill everyone and then go, you like us, right? And they go, no, not really. We killed your mother, but we're sorry, but you want the mall, we're gonna build the mall. They go, no, we're gonna bomb you and try to kill you. This is blowback. There's blowback when you shut down conversations. And it'll make you feel like you're dead. Don't order to shut people up, you got to pay them or kill them. That's the only way to do it. If you don't pay people a lot of money or kill them, they're going to talk. And if you don't, if you limit that, they're going to get angrier and the blowback is going to be intense. Well said. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's entirely accurate. CBS News, I'll go on. That's the thing. I have no beef with her. I like her. I like to choose in a bunker. I will go on to that show. Yeah. Things that I thought was hilarious. It was some fake story. It was that they were going to bring me on for 60 minutes. Everyone keeps saying that. I texted you about it. I'm like, are you doing 60 minutes? I thought that was wild. But why not? I mean, what, you know, half the staff has left. One of that guy, that guy Bill Pelley, just got out. Yeah. She got out and then she's got that dope poll. Whatever his name is in the evening news, crying like a psychopath. Who's that? He's the guy who does a CBS evening news. And his first, his first episode, he's in Miami. And he's crying. Can you get that up? It's unbelievable. Why is it crying? Why is it crying? He's crying because he's, he's talking about his family and how he grew up in Miami. It's unbelievable. This is the guy who was selected to, to run these CBS evening news to be the anchor of the CBS evening news. And like he does this thing where he's in Miami and they take him out of the chair because they want to start shaking it up, Barry shaking it up. So instead of sitting at a desk and doing the thing, they bring him to Miami to like visit his childhood places. And he starts sobbing in a, I forget it was like a restaurant or something. Jamie, you can find it, he's crying like a restaurant or he starts, he gets like choked up and it's deeply uncomfortable and it's really weird. And he starts talking about how he had a hard childhood, it's like unbelievable. This is the guy embarrassing first days, CBS evening news, savage by staff. It's state TV. Whoa. The conversation with one of his handlers during an ad break, Pete Hegseth said during his interview with Tony, how do you say his name, doc, doc Apple, we did it at Barry's request and because CBS news did something right on this. I wish you had him crying or she had him in his, in that restaurant. So his Marco Rubio's moment is what he's talking about. No, he's in Miami and in doc Apple, I mean, yeah, he's, this is psychotic, if the watch is. He just keeps crying. It wasn't showing the video. Maybe that's his thing. You know, like George Hamilton was tan all the time. He's crying. He's talking about, yeah, look at this. Look at this. This is the anchor of the CBS evening news. So he's being interviewed? Yeah. Can we listen to this? I'm trying to, I can't. Facebook's weird. Damn it. It doesn't let me control the player. There's an officer to show up. Yeah. We get a second. Yeah. Check it from the beginning so you know what he's trying about. What? It makes me emotional. It's so funny. I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to catch it. You know? This is your favorite place in the world. Why? Why South Florida and Miami? Well. What? It's so funny. I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to catch it. You know? Because you only have one child in it, right? So. We get a second. I can relate. This is home. People will, to help people understand why I have such a reaction. Florida's where I grew up. We didn't get a lot of sleep. My grandmother's here, my father, my mother, my aunts and uncles, cousins. And it's where I would have spent all of my childhood but we left. Because my father got in trouble with business. It's like we laugh about it now but he was a drug dealer. But he was a drug dealer with a jail. It's kind of a ha ha thing that we say now. But the reason it's so emotional for me is because I feel like I was all about this kind of a ha ha thing. He's this head of the CBS evening news. He's the anchor of the CBS evening news. This is what drives everyone so crazy about the world how fake everything is. That's the guy. That's the best guy for the job. When I grew up, you would go, she wouldn't use it and go, fuck, she's good. I can't sing like that. Who cares if she smokes crack. She deserves it. You watch this and it drives you insane. You go, this guy's crying his father's a drug deal. This is who's the best guy for the job. He's going to have to report on death like murder, war, famine, whatever. And he's crying in a fucking in some Cuban restaurant about his drug dealer father. So they had to leave Miami. No one believes anything's real anymore. This is a huge problem in our world. People go, that's the guy. That's the anchor of the CBS evening news. It's crazy. Imagine setting your makeup. Then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours. With flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness. No stickiness. No residue. Just plum. Do we hydrated skin that still feels like your skin? Try new groupie setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Well, the other guy who was on a bunch of people attacked him after he left, right? So he left and apparently he made it very public. Yes. Scott Pele or something. Big public out. Yeah, yeah. So what was he pissed about? He was saying something about they were going against science or. Some of it had to do. I believe with climate change. Some of it had to do with a bunch of other things that he disagreed with the. The where the news organs. It was fine at what his exact complaints were. Yeah, let's find out. I don't know what they were. But you know, Barry shares the meetings there and really goes on. And he marises yourself. And on the calls and stuff. Has no idea what she's talking about. And so here it is. Following his criticism. He's edited her Barry wise 60 minutes. Because I could have produced Nick built in at a staff meeting. Pele was fired by CBS news. What did he say? With CBS fired. Pele built and wrote a cover letter which obtained by the New York Times. Built and stated as follows. Your antipathy. Antipathy to the future of the show has come through loud and clear. And we have heard you. Therefore. Right on behalf of CBS news. Inc to inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause effective immediately. Next day. Why said I'm only interested in working in a newsroom that is built on trust and mutual respect. Okay. So what did he say? Pele accused the new CBS leadership of instructing him to insert falsehoods into a political story. And to include assertions that were not verified instructions. He says he ignored the collapse of values at the top. Has become untenable. The leadership at 60 minutes is no longer recognizable. The principles I hold dear are gone. And so I must leave as well. Wonder what exactly they meant though by the falsehoods in a political story and including assertions that were not verified. Well, here it is. It says the story CBS intervened on was a report about the 2026 protests in Minnesota. And the falsehood CBS asked for was to describe protestor Renee Good as driving her car toward the officer who killed her. Which Pele said contradicts video evidence of the event. That's correct. It seemed to me that he was the lady was trying to turn the car away from him. Yes. But it did brush up against the guy. Which is enough for him to decide the killer. Well, I know. But it wasn't, it was not she was trying to run him over. No. And I think it lived. But however that guy had been dragged by a car very recently. So he's probably filled with PTSD almost fucking died. I think he got dragged like 300 yards rather. I think it's fair to ask at this point. Yeah, but I think it's also fair to ask at this point like what is the media? Like what is the media? Like right. Older respect to Barry Weiss, but like so it was a heavily inflated price for her blog that she sold. And YouTube channel, whatever. It's clearly, there's clearly a political agenda to this. You have billionaires that own all of these companies. And we're asked to believe that like she's the most qualified for the job. Even though she's never ran in newsroom. She didn't like work her way up the ranks. She's an op-ed columnist and opinion writer and stuff like that. Great. She made a lot of sense. We said it before. And then she points. She says, "There's this guy who's crying in a restaurant in Miami, but it's dad." And it's like, who the hell is that guy? So I think it's fair to ask like, do we have any trust left in these institutions? Do we have any trust left? And like people that work there are leaving and saying I'm being asked to insert things into this, isn't true? Well, that alone, just that alone, like driving the car towards the officer. That's not, that's just not technically correct. Right. It seems like she was steering it away. Why would they want? want to say something that's not correct when you can just see it in a video. Like, if you were running a newsroom, that would be the last thing you would want to do is contradict something that's obviously verifiable. So that would, for what reason would you sacrifice your credibility? Because that's essentially what it's doing. It's such a short-term play. Yes, but I'll tell you exactly why, because their main demographic is 70-year-olds are having strokes on their couch. They're not verifying this. They're not. They have a very old audience that is not online savvy. They're not looking at many angles. They're pathcatter acts, and they're hearing this, and it allows them to dismiss it as, well, you know, she drove just a fibrous shooting. Yeah, I don't think there-- But somebody's motivating them to do that for those people. Well, for sure, yeah, for why? Yeah, well, because she's in the tank for Trump because Trump promised, or maybe didn't promise, but whatever, he's useful in the sense that he's going to go on a topple of the regime in Iran. He's going to sue all these-- or he's going to bring Harvard College to heal for whatever the hell they did. And she believes that-- and again, a lot of this is just connected to her view that Israel's interests are always 100% concurrent with America's, and Trump gets that, and he understands that. So she's in the tank for Trump-- which, by the way, if Biden would have invaded Iran, she would have started protecting him. It doesn't seem like it's-- she doesn't care that much about a ton of issues. It seems to be that this is her big issue. That's a disturbing thing to a lot of people. How much influence do they really have on this country? That's what creeps people out. Because I think no one even really considered it before October 7. It wasn't-- I mean, I'm sure-- people considered it. Nick Fuentes considered it. It wasn't like it was an openly discussed thing amongst young people. Right. It wasn't until we started realizing-- first of all, it was APAC. It was the weirdness of the New York City mayoral race. Yeah, of course. Very weird. Where they were all like, we're going to visit Israel. What? Well, it's also in direct opposition to the stated goal of the Trump administration, which is to repair the United States and to make it great and to elevate it and to focus on the United States and to not go into Middle Eastern wars, which was a huge, very popular plank of his platform and to not waste money and saddle ourselves with debt and mire ourselves in these unwindable wars. And there was such a gaslighting campaign. The Secretary of State came out, if the Iran war goes, well, Israel is going to attack him anyway. And our bases were going to be vulnerable, so we had to join. And then he went, no, I didn't mean that. I didn't really mean that. We're partners. We both think it's a great idea. And there was tremendous pressure on him to do this. And it hasn't worked. And it's clearly not in the interest of the United States to be in a Middle Eastern war with Iran. Tons of Jewish people don't believe it is. Lots of people from all walks of life don't believe it. But there's an ideological group of people that donate a lot of money and that are incredibly powerful. And they are really pushing this. They're pushing troops and they're pushing nukes. Delic or nonconventional weapons, a crazy bombing campaigns. They're pushing troops on the ground. They don't care what it takes. Iran has to be either completely destroyed or it's just got to be a chaos zone. But for the regional ambitions of Israel, they can't. It can't exist. So I mean, again, and not in a paranoid conspiratorial way because I don't like the victim stuff either. There was a bunch of people in America being like, I can't get ahead because Jewish people are successful. I think that's a stupid road to go down. That's a victim road. I hate that. I hate it when gay people do it or anyone. Any group of people I hate when they drench themselves in victimhood, I think when you become a victim, you lose autonomy over your life. It's insane. But I do think there's a fair question to ask about. What is the motive of certain massive big donors is the motive, the strength and prosperity of America? Or is it the strength and prosperity of Israel? That's a fair question. Yeah. And what about the rest of the world? How much are we putting ourselves at odds with the rest of the world? Indescribably, the worst PR ever. And people cannot justify-- you've got to be a very ideological person to justify Southern Lebanon, Gaza, Iran, perhaps Turkey. This is starting to feel like this is like a friend you have who you make excuses for for a short amount of time. And then your wife eventually goes, they're not allowed here. You can't go out with them. They're a problem. They have a fucked up home life. I know they're fun. I know you share values. I know they enjoy each other. You know each other for a long time. But here's the deal. They're not coming to the house. And they can't be around the kids. Because you know, that's what it's coming down to. It was even worse than that. The thing that drives me crazy is the negotiators. When they get negotiators, then they want to whack on them. They kill all the negotiators. And then Trump tells them to stop killing the negotiators. And you stop bombing Lebanon. Is this Iran deal going to work? Is it going to work? You know, stop bombing Lebanon? I think we're the odds. Now, in the last two years, we are now. We're at odds with Israel for the first time. Where Trump is really at odds with them. And he's had enough. And I think he is starting to understand that his legacy will be permanently tainted if he doesn't find a way to extricate us from this war. And I think on the other side-- and advance, again, for all the disagreements I might have with Vance about certain things, he is one of the only people in that administration who does push against the continuation of this war, which is why a lot of those neo-conservative donors try to destroy him because of that. I don't love his tech alliances. There's a lot of things I don't like about him. But there's a lot of things I think are good about him. And it's not like I don't like about him per se. I worry about some of his relationships. How many of these relationships you think are necessary for survival? I'm sure all of them are. And that doesn't mean, but they still need to be criticized and looked at. Oh, yeah. And they's 100%. Not just fighting it at all, but I'm saying. I have a feeling like no completely autonomous person is ever going to make it through that maze. Never, never. But I think the job is you turn the heat up enough where maybe if everyone's going to do 10 horrible things, they do too. Right. So I think it's certainly the job of anyone who looks at this stuff, to look at it and go, yeah, what is going on? What is happening? But I will say for all of the tech, you know, things that I find a little, you know, it's a little like what? I do think that to his credit, he's the only one in there. And you can tell, and it's not that I have some insight knowledge. There are only a tech, he's being attacked the most by the people that want the war to continue. And I think he knows his political ambitions will be completely destroyed by a continuation of this war. So I look at all these people, not as human beings, even though they are human beings, but I look at them as like, they're running the show, they're running the country, so they all ambitions. And it's hard to know their hearts or heads or how they feel from one day to the next. It's very difficult. So I think when you look at them, you look at them and you go, yeah, he's a, he's calculated and ambitious, but he also is the one being attacked by people that want the war to continue. Tucker Carlson, who again, I have a agreement with Tucker, I have disagreements with Tucker, the attacks on him are insane. The attacks on Megan Kelley are wild. Because of this issue, it's not a myriad of issues. Is this issue? Yeah, undoubtedly, and it's weird. It's weird because it's so transparent. It's so transparent. And the whole world is seeing it play out. And it's like the amount of gaslighting that you have to keep pumping. Yeah, it's not sustainable. Well, to say that this was not in the interest, this was in America's interest. You have to do, you have to, you have to jump around logically so much. Well, this is also the problem with the justification of what happened in Gaza. When people will try to say Israel, like God was saying, they're doing the best they can. Like, look at the drone footage, fly over that. That's the best you can do. That's crazy. Like, is that better than a nuke? 'Cause I don't think it is. It's like, it's-- It's inhumane. It looks like the damage of a nuke just spread out over two years instead of one blast. It's inhumane, it's evil, it's children being killed, it's mothers being killed in front of their children. And by the way, October 7th was inhumane, but I shouldn't have to keep doing that. Of course you shouldn't have to do that. But it's also October 7th, you know the people that got killed, those are the ravers, right? Right. that were anti Netanyahu. Those are not the people that were killed, I think probably a lot of like, mother drag people out of their houses. - Oh, they killed a ton of people that were killed. - It's a bad situation there. - It's also like, why did it take so long to respond to that? - Well, this is another very interesting, very important question. - Yeah. - Because there's a lot of people that say, it's a state the size of New Jersey. And the security failures are, they're pretty wild and there hasn't been a real investigation into them. And Netanyahu has kind of prevented that and they've kind of made it illegal to question that in Israel. Like people were like writing about that and going, what the hell is going on? But like, it's illegal. Well, there was, they've made a law and you can look this up about things like this in Israel because during wartime, they haven't had an election. - No. Since October 7th? - No. Right. - Right. - It hasn't happened in the election. - Because of the war, right? - Right. And the Ukraine hasn't had an election. Nobody has had an election. So if I'm living in a country and the leader of my country just wants to be in a war forever, there is no democracy. - Well, you know, Clinton said that. Clinton said that about Netanyahu. He said he wants to maintain a war. He said it openly in an interview. - Right. - So he can maintain power. And then a nice chubby intern showed up. (laughing) - Oh, I wish. - And I wish I could go back at time. - Full of internet and all these busy bodys was around. - He was the first guy to go viral. - So I mean, that's the thing. You don't have elections. You don't have people looking into things. And by the way, that's not the only thing that should be looked into. Look into, look at everything. - Right. - We're the 9/11 docs. What happened? Can we know? Why can't we know anything? What, why can't we know anything? - Yeah. - You know? - That's all of it. It's like, really so we're all adults, release it. Let's see what happened. - But don't you think that this is fine? I'm sure no one did anything naughty. - I think this is all kind of breaking though. And I think there's one of the things that's happening with AI. It's like all these things that they are protecting us from, we're gonna find out that stuff. - Well, here's the thing. I mean, I met you in 2019. But the first time I met you was 2018. Big J. Oakerson was opening for you in Toronto. - Oh wow. - Yeah. But then I met you in 2019. And that's what, six years ago, seven years ago. There were cracks of it breaking down, but almost invisible. Like you couldn't see them. Now you have fun, like huge sinkholes opening into the reality that most people have accepted for their entire life. - Yes. - Big. - Yeah, big. - Big. - And you see, like this Tulsi Gabbard, this press release that she did, this conference where she was talking about Fauci and she didn't know. - Yeah. - All that. There's, we're getting information now. - We're getting information. - But let us know that the entire system has been completely corrupted for a long fucking time. - For a very long time. - And it won't survive. - It clearly can't survive the way we're in, is it $40 trillion worth of debt? - It's close. - Right? - It was at $39. - No one thinks that's getting paid back. - Yeah, who we owe it to? Tell them to go fuck off. - Right. So we have a lot of us China. But like no one thinks that's getting paid back. The dollar is the world reserve currency seems to have a limited amount of time. I don't know, but this is what's discussed. No, I mean, how does this system survive? This level of information people are not gonna. - Do you think that this whole race to AI, this like Manhattan projects style race that's going on right now? Like the future of whatever the United States is, kind of depends on us getting there first. - Right? - I think part of it is that. - If we don't get there first, then it's probably a wrap. If you really thought about it, like if China gets there first, if control of resources and everything shut off, sure. Whatever, how, if it's weaponized. - My worry is that in the guise of fighting China, we're gonna become China. So I would take the government a lot more seriously if they weren't potentially having like saying Pounder should merge all these different government databases. So your health data and your criminal justice data and your tax data, all merges. And who's doing that Pounder? She go, and then they go, well, Chinese got a credit score. What the hell is that? What the hell is this? What? When Vance comes out and he goes, I'm worried about a credit score. It's like, okay. Hey, buddy, me too. So it's a little bit of gas sighting in that sense too. They're like, if China gets all this stuff, you're all gonna, you know, we lose and you go, okay. So it's almost like China will enslave you. Let us do it first. - Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior. - That's right. Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior. We're gonna be watching them. You heard that quote. - Yeah. This is what the world economic from people like that, they don't have an interest in you owning a house or farming land or starting a business or they don't have any interest in that. It does not serve them at all. It did for a while, but their economic projection is that that's not gonna be possible for you. So what they're gonna do, they're building bunkers, they're hoarding all the wealth. And they're, you know, heavily invested in all this AI. And one of the reasons I think that we have to strike it deal with Iran is all this UAE money props up Hollywood, all these startups. It props up all the AI, a lot of it. A lot of it money's coming from Qatar and the UAE. And they're, and our base is getting blown off the earth in those countries. Those countries are getting attacked because of this war. And they're a huge financier of American startups. And some AI startups. So like one thing that I wonder about all of this is just how much this just does seem now to be a high level chess game. About the future and what is and isn't possible. But the only thing that makes me personally happy is that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump just bought an island. (laughs) That gives-- - The Romani people were really excited. - They're really excited. - I see how they were celebrating in the streets. - I believe they burned the Prime Minister's house and the President. Or whoever they could just start lighting houses on fire. And that's coming by the way. They just did it in Belfast. That's coming. People starting to light things on fire's coming. That's coming. I'm not calling for it. I'm not saying it's good, but it's coming. Because voting's become fake, no one cares. You know, people on threads, mama, mama, mama. It's fake. It's fake. It's so obvious. It's fake. Acts, mama, mama. It's all fake. So the only-- And you know what, again, I'm not calling for it. It's bad, but fire's real. (laughs) (laughs) If you ask some people at Palisades or Malibu and whatever RIP, I like the Palisades. That's stupid mall, I like that. But this is real. People are going to start realizing that this all this technology has just been set up to give you this idea that you have some effect and all the while Jared and Ivanka just go buy an island. That's what's happening. But maybe it's fine. Have you got any invites to any bunkers? No. No, they're not-- Do you think you'd feel differently if you did? I don't know. I wonder if you've had invites to do interesting things. I've had invites to teal and I've said no because I think, you know, he'd probably sit me down and go listen to me, you fat fuck, you're going to shut your mouth. And I'd sit there and I'd go, ah! No, I think it's-- I think if they were going to invite me, someone goes, "This is the guy who dressed up as Christy Knowham's husband with fake tits." And they go, "We can't have him here." But by the way, absolutely. Absolutely. If somebody said to me, a few people are going to survive and it's just going to be you and these people and everybody else is going to die, it's tough. How fun would it be, though? Is it fun? Is it fun if the whole world dies? And I'm just sitting and having dinner with JD Vance and his wife. I mean, is that the-- Peter Teal, me and Usha, and Jay just-- He didn't stake. Yeah, I mean, is that-- is that what we want? I don't know. Probably not. Probably not. What's the best case scenario? The best case scenario is a new era of enlightened people and enlightened thinking and soulfulness and spirituality and a healthy attachment to technology and religion and people's, people's a common kind of sense of morality and togetherness and love for community that's not enforced by government's corporations and armies? I'm not betting on that. But that would be good. Well, there's a battle, right? Yeah, there is a battle. It's not like one side is clearly going to win. We're moving in a very weird direction of uncertainty. But humans today are way better at being people, way kinder and nicer, despite all our problems, than we have ever been in the past. Yeah. Society is generally at least in first world countries safer than it's ever been in the past. Yeah. and. It's also there's more opportunity to do things now because of technology that's ever existed before. So it's not worse, but it's not moving in the best direction possible. Like if you had to choose between living today, the way we're living now, or living in 1976 in San Francisco, I'd be like, go fuck yourself. I don't want to shitty breaks and live with these fucking people that don't know anything, because no one's the internet, fuck that. You're better off living today. The communication that would go see Janice Chaplin, and you'd be smoking weed, and a burrito would be 50 cents, and then you would go into a park and fuck and then die. And it might not be as bad as one thinks. And who knows, I didn't live during that time, so I'm sure there was a lot of pitfalls. You get stabbed, whatever. Like New York was more culturally interesting when there was crime. I'm against there being crime, because New York couldn't have existed. It can't be 1983 in New York now. Times Square is a mall. Times Square right now is a TGI Friday's. But it's yours to be chaos. It's to be chaos, but it can't be chaos forever. But again, in that city, do you get the remones? Do you get all of that stuff? Probably not? No. Probably not? No, you need some chaos for art, for sure. You don't get chaos. You don't get chaos from TGI Friday's. You don't get that kind of chaos. But I do think that there's a time for certain things, and there's an inertia that moves certain things forward, meaning like, it would be crazy to think about New York in the 80s today. Like, no one's built for that life today. Right. No one's even built for that. Like, one of the reasons it wars don't work anymore is, which is not built for it. When a built, used to be built for war. People used to be built for war. They were built to like, just like, yeah, somebody calls me and I just go die. You know, there's like a petition on the door, and it's like, report here, we're going to war. People are built for, nobody's built for that now. People file complaints with DoorDash. I file complaints. 1981 Rolling Stone magazine called West 42nd Street located in the heart of Times Square as the sleasiest block in America. Yeah. Now it's probably prime real estate. Yeah, I mean, listen, there's parts of it that are, you know, it's all prime real estate there. Whether people like it or not, it's not necessarily, you know, that it's better because it's safer, but it's worse because it's safer. Nothing's all one thing. There's still great art there. There's still great music and comedy and theater and all that stuff. Is it as good as it was? No, no. But again, it's just because the people that are doing it are amazing and they're talented, but like culture is so decentralized now in fractures. It's nothing can stay cool. Everything that pop, you know, what's depressing me about New York is it's become like it's a cool place where people just go on Instagram and post them. You know, when you used to go to dinner in New York City, you would eat French food or food that you could never make at home. You've never even seen. You didn't hear it. They would treat you like shit. It was fun. Now you go to these places because Taylor Swift went there. You have like they, they just do like a high-end version of it. Like a Totino's pizza roll. They put truffle oil on it. Here's a French dip. Here's a burger. People with their burger. It's just a basic bitch mall city now. That's really what it's become. That doesn't mean there's not a lot of psychopaths they're making lots of money and good for them. But it's becoming a suburban city. It's a city where people talk about chicken salad. It's a city where people go to Wegmans. It's just a different city. It's Pilates and toddlers. It's all great. It's fine. I don't want to see people getting shanked. But it's not what it was. It's just not what it was. It doesn't have that same magic. And nothing does. It laid us. Nothing really does. And it won't come back. No, I don't think it's coming back. I don't know if that's good or bad if I live there. I mean, who knows what the fuck's going to happen now with mom Donnie's mayor? That weirdness. What's that guy's name? Ken Griffin, the guy with the billionaire guy who's in front of his apartment? Yeah. billionaire guy lives here. He's got so much money. We're going to take it. We're going to tax it. Well, here's the thing. It's all fake. It's all fake. Mom Donnie's Trump. He's smart. He's sharp. He's good-looking and young. He just, he's all crap. It's YouTube. It's like, look, billionaire guy. Ken Griffin's in Palm Beach. Building a house worth of billion dollars. You're not going to do anything to Ken Griffin. You're a city employee. The mayor is fake. It's like, he'll raise taxes maybe if he can get it done but he can't. It'll get dirty or a crime will go up or it won't. It's kind of whatever. It's just not, you know, I think it's not, it's more just the corporation's rule and guys like him. It's like Bernie Sanders. He's the version of the socialist you get. What does it even mean? He has a bunch of military industrial complex jobs in Vermont. Sweetheart of a man but has not gotten one goddamn thing for 30 years. Worth millions, has three millions. Has three of them to Clinton sandbag him because they're working for God only knows who. The Goldman Sachs and the devil. And he goes and says, Hillary's great. They're all great. It's all great. The system's fine. I lost. He gets sandbagged like twice. And he doesn't, and he doesn't burn it to the ground. He won't burn it to the ground because that's the version of the socialist you get in America. I'm not even like a socialist, but I'm saying like, that's clearly this is to you throw the bond to placate someone. It's also they're playing a game. And his game is to stay relevant. Totally. Keeping a politician, keeping a senator from Vermont. You stay there forever. Everybody loves you. Ben and Jerry's, yeah. Vermont is a lily white state of frozen people. Of frozen people. And it's just a bunch of lesbians. And I think Alec Baldwin now because he shot someone. Does he live there now? I think he does. But I don't know. And I like him. Shout out to him. We've all moved on. But I think, you know, Sanders is doing what he has to do to please that demographic of people. What do you think happens in 2028? I think, I think the donors want Rubio. But Rubio's kind of a buffoon. Why do they want Rubio? Because he's not, Vance is more isolationist than Rubio. And I think Vance is more in league with the tech people. Whereas Rubio, maybe the central banking cartels of intergenerational pools of capital that are more invested in the war industry and might be slightly more aligned with Israel like Rubio. Like, there are different fiefdoms of the super rich. I think the tech guys are relatively new. Not that they don't get involved in war, of course they do. But it's not all hunky-dory. You know, if you had a banking empire for years and centuries and you're like, now all these new tech folks are here and you're like, what is this? And you're like, we make our money with war. And so do the tech people, by the way. But there are other ways to make money. So I do think Vance will get the nomination. I don't think Rubio, I used to think it would be Rubio. But I've watched Rubio recently more. And I don't think Rubio, he's too profite. I can't take him seriously. I don't know why. Trump, again, suggests a Vance Rubio 2028 presidential ticket or perhaps Rubio Vance. So this one, it'll probably be those two. Interesting. But do you think that people are going to want to buy into another Republican party? No, no, it'll be a Democrat. I think it'll be a Democrat. It'll be what do you think, Vance? I don't know. I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is yet. I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is. I think I don't think it's Newsom. I don't think it's AOC. I think it's somebody that comes from a red state who's a Democrat governor or a purple state. We don't know who they are yet. They pop up. They're boring. I think we need boring. I think a boring person's going to come in and just be like, hey, I'm the president, reasonable. The show's over. Michelle Obama's a woman. And then a few, you'll hear some of the country go, because Trump's a drug and you've got a detox from that. And this whole last decade has been a drug. And it's been the craziest decade that I've been alive. I remember sitting with you in election. I remember me, you and Alex sitting down. I remember all these things. We're watching these crazy points. I remember the, I remember when Trump was shot. I remember tragically when Charlie Kirk, which I remember all of these things that have happened that are just so crazy. And now seem so far away. And like they're so far in the past. Gavin Newsom is they like this guy John Assoff. Who's that guy? I just looked them up. I didn't know either. He's a youngest incumbent Senator out of Georgia. Yeah, he's having a moment. You just nailed it. You just nailed it. You can be him. Look at him. There he goes. Just put him in the president. Just put him in, of course. Yeah. His, his neck is medium. It's not too thin. He's got a medium neck. He's got that face. Like he goes neck is a little too small. Yeah, yeah. I've, yeah, that's probably true. A little bit more square job. Conservative Georgia radio host. Endorse is John Assoff for US Senate. If they want to win, they just have to go, Hey, everybody, remember health care. Don't you want that? Is he Republican? He's a Democrat. He's a Democrat, but he's going to larp as a Republican in the same way that Spencer Pratt's like, I'm actually a Democrat. Worked as a national security staffer. Yeah, he's a spook. Put a man who cares. It's fake at this point. We will know it's fake. How much more evidence does anyone need? Jesus Christ him, Dylan. Sorry. Glad you're out there. I'm glad you, you, you have me in here. You podcast rules. Thank you, brother. I really appreciate it. It's such a great escape. Thank you. It's so beautiful because just the way you're able to just combine reality with humor is very rare. Well, thank you, dude. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. It's a very unusual thing you're doing. It's very insightful political commentary and social commentary mixed in with hilarious. takes on things that's very nihilist. - Well, I'll keep doing it until I'm put in a jail. (laughing) - Thank you brother. - Thank you. - Appreciate it. - Appreciate you. (upbeat music)