#2517 - Taylor Sheridan

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day what's happening what's up buddy it's a hell of a fucking belt buckle what is that what is that what's going on there so this one is uh for a horse i have called maverick buzz the tower that won reserve at the futurity and they give you a belt buckle if you win about buckling money that's a dope belt buckle expensive belt buckle so guys like you that understand horses like if you saw someone with one of those you would know exactly what that is right away oh yeah and the year depending on the year i'm going to know the horse it's like you and fighters i guess i guess it's probably similar yeah but that's oh that guy won the thing in 2012 he fought so-and-so and that's the same with me and it's always so interesting to me how these there's these different sort of categories of interests that people have that you know one person might have a different personality and you might not know anything i don't know anything about horses but you're like fucking balls deep you know everything about it's crazy it's such an interesting like pool of knowledge the people that are really into horses and they start explaining oh this is not as simple as oh that's a horse and that's a horse too like there's genetic lines and there's certain tendencies that certain horses will actually pass on to their offspring oh yeah oh it's crazy stuff and and i really like him i've got a number of horses by this day and his name's spook's got a whiz and and they're just incredibly balanced real feely very very quick-footed big stoppers but they they see dead people they see ghosts so like what once every three months for no reason this thing's gonna fucking check out and i mean check out just decide it's not safe here we're going back to the barn you can come with me or i'm gonna buck your ass off or i'm gonna flip over no it's not safe here we're going back to the barn you can come with me or i'm gonna flip over no and his children have this as well yeah whoa just a little quirk and that's but other than that they're getting automatic that's a big quirk that's like if you have a corvette and it decides to drive home yeah a little bit a little bit most of the time you can go to the store we all deal with it because they're worth it i guess but that seems so crazy that the horsey do you really think he sees ghosts he i don't know what he sees some kind of boogeyman they're a lot of them are deaf so really yeah why so well there's a there's a gene typically if you see a horse with a white face and the white goes above the eyes typically that horse is deaf wow and so they can't hear but they can feel the vibrations so like that that could that could set one of those horses off just anything pounding on the ground that might be something chasing it yeah i mean they're prey animals right right right so wow the deaf thing's crazy i wonder if that has any sort of an advantage where they could sort of a tune out distractions you know i would imagine if a horse is at a rodeo yes a hundred percent because you know this crowds are screaming and yelling it's not going to bother them now if they start stomping their feet i was going to show this one horse of mine and i'm about to run in the pen and all these guys are cheering for this italian rider and they're all beating on the side of the arena and my horse checked the fuck out wow i can imagine how weird that is for the horse yeah like it's being told to do something but it's instincts are like no yeah we gotta get the fuck out of here i can't hear anything that's nuts yeah the hearing thing there's a a famous pool player his name is shane van boning he's like one of the greatest pool players of all time if not the greatest and he's deaf and he has hearing aids and when he plays he shuts them off he just goes click and goes into this world and he's like the world the zone just of balls and geometry and just doesn't miss just he's a horrifying person to play and because the fact that he's got that extra sense shut off like the hearing he could shut it off it's not just that i mean he's also obsessive he practices 10 hours a day i mean he's an all-time wizard like he's won the u.s open which is the hardest tournament to win in all pool he's won it five times which is just not there's only one other guy in history earl strickland that's won it five times everybody plays it five times it's just not it's just not it's just not his pool like everybody a little yeah but then the levels to the game like you start getting a professional pool player yeah and they're playing a totally different game it's a totally different just watching it you realize like oh my god what am i doing i'm hitting the ball way too hard i don't know what i'm doing my angles are all fucked up like this guy's playing that with english i would just hit it straight you want you want to spin a backspin it hits over here oh yeah it's just it's the control of the ball it's just like they're a part of the game the the stick is the part of their body the stick and the ball they're all connected in space and time and they know where that ball's going within millimeters yes it's nuts to watch like some of these guys they'll hit a ball and it'll travel it's a nine foot table it'll travel all the fuck away around the test like a 12 foot distance and it'll go in a two inch spot and you just go fuck me it's great and then if you do that and you're deaf too like you don't even hear the cheers you're just still in the zone just hyper yeah just hyper focused autism probably helps too if you have that yeah you know a lot of little oh yeah just to touch i got a little i think i think anybody's good at anything anybody's good at anything is either adhd or autistic yeah yeah they tried to give me medicine for the adhd did they yeah i'm like fuck no how old were you when they tried to give it to you oh when i well they did give it to me when i was a kid really yeah what they gave me and then you're who knows but whatever you're a little bottomized right and then fuck i stopped taking it just because i was no you're just like guys you know and so my parents were like fuck it just let him run around my neighbor's kid they gave it to him when i when i lived in california it was such a bummer he was this wild little kid and they gave it to him and all of a sudden he was flat yep and i was like oh and the lady was like oh he's on medication now because he's hyperactive i'm like oh my god not my kid not my place i'm not saying nothing i just go to work you know i was single back then and i was like 28 or 29 and i just i was just so confused how you could do and then i kept thinking like if somebody did that to me when i was a kid for sure i would have been on drugs yeah if my parents knew about those options they could shut me the fuck up if i had the wrong parent my parents wouldn't have done it but if i had the wrong parents 100 i had all the traits that would have allowed me to get it's a fucking superpower if you understand it exactly it's a superpower yeah if you could find something you love people people say how in the world can you write a script that they say it's not that hard like once i know what it is i can sit you could sit me in an airport around a thousand people i won't hear them and i can sit there for 12 hours straight because you love it i just get i just hyper focus but if somebody wants you to pay attention to the history of pop tarts or something i can't it's not going in there physically can't do it yeah it's not going in there yeah that's that's the superpower the superpower is you could find something you love and focus on it but the way our education system is set up is that we can't do it it's designed is so ass backwards you take kids that are so energetic and they have so much life and you just squeeze it out of them just sit still stay put listen to boring shit and all day they're just fighting this desire to scream and just run out of the building go do something fun wasn't the um like essentially what we call the modern public education system founded by or really by the rockefellers yep as a as a means to create a system that's not just a system that's not just create workers yep yep like that's it compliant workers and soldiers conform just one of the reasons why they decided to start school so early for kids is the earlier you can start them the more you can get them to do whatever you want them to do and the more you can get them to pledge allegiance and get really excited about this that or the other thing including all the trans stuff that you see in school all the pride stuff and teachers are working with preschool kids and they're talking about sexuality and you're like they're fucking six like they don't know what you're talking like why are you even talking to them about that because you can get them early and you can program those thoughts into their mind that this is a good cause and it could be anything it could be your religion it could be your political ideology it could be being a christian being a muslim whatever if you get kids young enough you can talk them into doing almost anything that's why they have child suicide bombers they don't try to get guys in their 40s with a family yeah to strap a vest on they try to get kids this episode of the joe rogan experience is presented by cbs marshalls luke grimes is back as casey dutton in marshalls season two as a part of an elite unit of u.s marshalls working to bring range justice to montana dutton has to balance family duty and everything they cost to battle the chaos around him marshalls returns sunday october 4th kicking off cbs premiere week and streaming on paramount plus the football season is heating up and every week feels bigger with draft kings the draft king sports app is now live in all 50 states so that means every fan is in on the excitement follow every drive 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And, you know, what will really bake a couple of noodles is if you look at, because all these things are funded, all these nonprofits and NGOs, they're off of, but where's the money come from? And when you look at where the money comes from, and you realize, oh, wait a minute, and it's been coming for 40, 50 years from these places, Qatar, for example, obviously Russia, China, all these are enemies, donating money to all of these various groups to divide, to just eat away from the inside. Russia's been doing it since the 70s. Yeah, 60s. 60s, yeah. That Yuri Bezmenov, I'm sure you've seen that video. Anybody who hasn't, please watch it. It's Yuri Bezmenov, and it's in 1984, and this guy is essentially describing what America is going to look like eventually, and he's dead on, just dead on, dead on with the communism, the Marxism, the stuff in the universities, just completely poison their mind, push out any ideas of patriotism being a virtue, all the hate for America that you have, like all the division, all of it engineered, and it's wild. Just look at who it benefits. That's it. That's it. That's it. It's real simple. Yeah. Just look and see who it benefits. Well, it benefits a lot of people in this country as well, unfortunately. There's a lot of people that really love division, and they can profit off of it, and they can work an angle. You know, we're with you. And this is a big part of the problem with the whole idea of nonprofits, because nonprofits, in theory, are awesome. It's a great thing that people are willing to donate their money, like wealthy people who are doing well say, you know what? I think my money. It could be best suited helping out other people. It's beautiful. It's one of the most amazing notions about people, when they can be charitable, when they don't have to be. They do it because they want to, and they really want to help. Then you find out what's really going on, and that the majority of the money is going to overhead and employees. Well, think about this. If I create a nonprofit to go solve – well, L.A. is a perfect example. We can look at the homeless situation that they have there and all of these NGOs that are getting all of this money. And the problem is getting worse. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. But if I form an NGO, and that's my cause, and I solve the problem, then what do I do with my NGO? Now I've got no money. Now there's no reason to give me money. So they don't create them to solve problems. The incentives are totally fucked. Anything exacerbate the problem. Make the problem worse. Make it longer. Make it bigger. Look how big the problem is. We need more money. Some guy was doing a breakdown of the people that work in the homeless industry. I say in air quotes, in California, because that's really what it is. They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem, and no one can account for it. And they tried to get an accounting of it. They tried to do an audit of it, and Newsom vetoed it. Vetoed it. Like, why would you want to know? Let's stop all that nonsense and build this fucking train track to nowhere that's never going to get built. Well, they have a mile of it. They have a mile of that train. It only costs $100 billion. Relax. Things take time. They have a fucking mile. And they're like, well, we're trying to choose the path. How about right beside the I-5? How about that? How about right next to the flat fucking highway? Everything they do sucks. Yeah. How about that stupid fucking road over the highway to make sure the mountain lines are safe? Yeah. It's like over $100 million still not done. And they have them. By the way, that's not a new concept. They have those throughout the West. Yeah. And they don't cost shit. They don't cost much money at all. They fix them quick. They do it quick. Yeah, they're done in a couple of months. Pour some cement. Put some sod down. Plant some fucking grass. And away you go. Away you go. But we're applying logic to a state that doesn't use that. It is as goofy as it gets. And then you think it's as goofy as it gets. And then you hear that Portland just— Okay, so this is going to be on the ballot in November. It got enough votes to be on the ballot. And this is some law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty. Well, who doesn't want to stop animal cruelty? I see. We certainly want to stop animal cruelty. Let's stop animal cruelty. So what does it mean? It means no hunting, no fishing, no ranching, no agriculture, no animals that get harmed in any way. No killing chickens for Kentucky fried chicken. Nothing. No animals die. And this is a city ordinance? They're fucking voting. Oregon is voting on this in November. No fishing. No fishing. What are you saying? Are you fucking high? And no— No hunting? No ranching? Ranching? You can't ranch. You're going to kill a cow? What are you, crazy? That's illegal in Oregon. And here's— That probably sounds like a good idea to one of those people. But here's my question. All right, so let's do it. Let's just say— Let's just outlaw ranching. Let's just say, fuck it. Well, there's 91 million cattle in the country. So what do we do with them? You just leave them alone. Let nature take its course. Yeah, but there's no nature to take its course. It's 91 million head of fucking cattle. And I can promise you this. If you outlaw me feeding them and taking care of them, I'm not going to— Then they're wandering the highway. Yeah. And then the bulls are out? Yeah. So you're going to keep the bulls contained? No. The bulls are going to kill people. Yeah, and make more cattle. Yeah, so now we have 900 million cattle. 300 million cattle in three decades. Yeah, and fuck all your fences. Bulls are going to smash them. Bulls are going to eat your grass. Bulls are going to stomp your dog. Like, what are you talking about? I can't. But it's not supposed to be logical. It's all just a vibe, man. It's like— And it's not even a well-thought-out one. But the problem is you don't have to be well-thought-out to get on the ballot. You just have to appeal to certain sensibilities. And then all of a sudden people are like, oh, that would be good. Yeah. And they're probably on SSRIs anyway. It'll probably pass. Nah. Nah, I don't think it'll pass. According to this New York Times article, it was one guy. One guy? One guy got 135,000 signatures and got it passed to that level. I wonder how many of them are homeless people. He moved to Portland from Denver from Southern California, where I'm trying to figure out what to say. Do we have a photo of this dude? I want to see what this guy looks like. No, I didn't show him, but it said he's a— Of course he's from Southern California. Of course he is. He's a vegan. Oh, that's weird. I would have never guessed. Oh, substitute teacher. It keeps getting better. I lost it. What else? That's all I was saying. I didn't frame him very well. Well, they shouldn't. It's a crazy idea. There you go. Mickelson. Yeah. Substitute teacher, vegan, and petitions organizer. It's to have a system where we're not killing or hurting animals anymore. I love how he said a system. What are you talking about? What does that mean? What's a system? Are you talking about nature? Like, they're going to kill each other. Stupid. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Is it somehow or another less cruel when a mountain lion gets into a pen of sheep and tears them apart? Yeah. He figured the chances of meeting another gay vegan were better in Portland. He's probably right. Probably not wrong. Yeah. It's probably a good bet. Solid bet. Yeah. Jesus. He was sitting there going, Midland. Texas, Portland, Oregon. Where's my best chance to go be a vegan? Go to Portland and take some medication. Just fucking have a good time. There he is. There we go. Hey, fella. He's already gotten too much attention from us. Yeah. There's a lot of silly people in the world. And, you know, like we were talking about with young people, if you get young people indoctrinated early enough to think that these silly ideas make sense, which is one of the reasons why I love that Kevin Costner moment on your show. When he had explained to that vegan lady. Oh, yeah. It's such a good moment. How cute does an animal have to be before you care if it fucking lives? Yeah. Yeah. And what the actual, like what life gets killed when you're just talking about farming, just food. Plowing a field. Yeah. Just plowing a field. Or. Or go build a road. Right. You don't want to destroy some fucking organisms. Go build a road. Yeah. And if you're riding on those roads. Yeah. You're in that system. And then there's the bees. Like. The amount of bees. that die every year so we could have avocados. It's bananas. Yeah, bring them in from Brazil. By the billions. By the billions. By the bee. And they die. Bees and then on top of the, so it's avocados and almonds. Those are the two big ones, right? Yeah, almonds, you know what's fascinating? And we can look it up. Almonds, the amount, it's something like 19 gallons of water is what you have to give to get one almond. Is that real? Yeah, yeah, we can, yeah, it's fucking bananas. My doctor told me almonds aren't even good for you. Well, you know, it's. He said they're okay for you. He said, but, you know, there's. There was a time in the Mediterranean where they were, they were poisonous. They have strychnine in them. 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So you're supporting American farmers and the land itself because regenerative farming restores soil. That were just like so dedicated to that ranch, so dedicated to busting their ass and working all day, hard fucking work and then just hanging out together afterwards. And there's something about that life that's so simplistic and romantic to people that it just really resonated with so many people. They didn't even know that they liked that. Well, it's uniquely American, right? And the amount of freedom that is. So we move somebody out to South Camp and we go, OK, so here you are. There's your house at South Camp. See you in a week or so. Go figure shit out. Keep track of the cattle. And you give them a string of horses and they work their horses and they ride that property. They know every inch of it. And you don't ever, we don't have weekly corporate meetings. How do they get supplies? Is the house stocked in advance? Yeah, they go to town. You know, towns. Which is an endeavor, right? Town's 90 miles away. So you go to town once a week, right? Stock up. Stock up. Go back. Wow. Yeah, but it's. It's a crazy life. And people, not every, this isn't true of every cowboy. There's plenty of cowboys that typically they grow up on that ranch and that's the life that they know and that's what they want to do. Right. But they still go off to college. Like almost every one of my cowboys has a ranch management degree. Like they went to school. Wow. To study. What's a good school if you want to be a cowboy? I mean, there's quite a few of them. Texas Tech. I mean, that's a phenomenal ranch management program. A bunch of the guys on the sixes went there. TCU has a ranch management program. A good one. Texas A&M. You know, we have vets that live on the ranch. Obviously, we breed a ton of horses. And so our vets, Colorado State's an excellent veterinary school for large animal vets. Obviously, Texas A&M. It's a phenomenal school. Texas Tech as well. Dude, how the fuck do you pay attention to everything? You're running a gigantic ranch and you have about 48 TV shows. How the fuck do you do it? I don't understand it. Every time a new Taylor Sheridan show pops up, I say to my wife, I go, how the fuck is he doing this? Like, where does he have this time? Part of it is, if you think about it, so my crew, my core crew is the same crew I made Wind River with. Like, when we had no money. I remember one time, I'm on the top of a mountain with me and my first AD and my DP, Ben Richardson. And there's not a producer. We haven't seen anybody in a week. And I looked at, we're freezing our asses off. It's seven below zero in northern Utah. And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just fuck off to Hawaii and nobody would know for a while. We have their money. They don't know. They don't actually know where we are. They're just trusting that we're going to make this movie. Which we did. Which we did. And it was incredibly difficult. But that's the same team that went over and did Yellowstone. Which is then the same team that went up and did Mayor of Kingstown with me. And then 1883, 23, Lioness, Landman, all of them. And we've promoted from within. I've got PAs that are now first ADs. I've got camera operators that are now directors. So we've promoted from within. So everyone understands the way we do it. And it's so frigging efficient. We don't ever have. And you know. Because you've been in this industry forever. These people will have meetings upon meeting upon meeting. They'll have a tone meeting where a whole bunch of people are going to sit around and try and talk about the tone of the script. What, didn't you read the fucking thing? We have to have a meeting about it? How about we don't have a meeting about it? And then they'll have a. And this is also networks. They love this shit. So that they can have a reason for their existence. Right. All these middle management people. And they want to do a prop show. And tell where someone's going to come show them all the props that we're going to use. Really? Well, we don't do that shit because I'm like, I need your permission to use which which Bic lighter I'm going to use in this fucking scene. How about I just make the decision? And how about we use the same Bic lighter in all these fucking shows and I don't ever have to pick a Bic lighter again. How about that? So we just streamlined it and made it to where it's so efficient. Typically, a TV show will start up and they'll prep for 12 weeks before they start. Filming. We do it in four. Wow. Well, that makes sense. It makes sense that it's streamlined because I've been on shows when they first start out and it's chaos and there's a lot of network involvement and there's a lot of bullshit. But then once it gets going, they go, oh, you guys know what you're doing. Yeah. Leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah. We're there from the beginning now. That's beautiful. We haven't missed. You don't miss. Right. Well, it's like you don't miss like you don't miss with the writing. You don't miss with the storylines like you don't have any duds. This is incredible. It's an incredible accomplishment to have that many fucking shows and all of them be good and all of them be, you know, like very addictive. You know, Landman is so addictive. It's that show. It's about something very serious. And then I can just throw shit at it. Yeah. Let's just take a bunch of old people to a strip club. Billy Bob is fucking awesome. He's a genius. I love that guy. He's so good on that show. It's like it was made for him. It was made for him. I mean, he's done so many things. I went to Billy Bob's. I went to Billy Bob before I before I wrote a word and I told him, I said, if you don't do this, I'm not going to do it because I'm not going to chase my tail. He goes, what is it? I said, I want to do. I said, basically, I want to take your character from Bad Santa and put him in West Texas and run an oil company. He goes, you want the guy from Bad Santa to run an oil company? I said, that's what I want. He goes, that sounds fucking awesome. Well, it's it's educational, too. I mean, a lot of people like have no idea how the oil business works. And you watch that show. You go, Jesus Christ, what a crazy job. It's an insane job. And the other thing about it is we're so completely dependent upon petroleum in every single aspect of our lives. So completely dependent upon it. And we can debate how bad it is or isn't and or not debate it. The reality is we don't have an alternative. Like it does not exist. It simply doesn't exist. And we could sit there and say, well, when did this? No. You sit down with any climatologist and any engineer. They're going to tell you our best hope for a replacement of petroleum fuels is cold fusion. 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If you literally have consumer level nuclear power plants, not with these monkeys, not with the human beings that we are today, our current form, we're not enlightened enough to have personal nuclear power plants in our house. Oh, fuck. Yeah. So we're dependent upon it. That's why we're in Iran right now. Oh, yeah. Also because. Because of Israel. But I mean, we're in Iran. I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil. The Strait of Hormuz it's like I think it's 40% of the world's oil supply passes through there Yeah, Christ. No, that's and and and I think also China mm-hmm. It's a big play against it's a chess piece against China. Mm-hmm That's what I think. Yeah, all of it's fucking terrifying what uh, and I'm not saying we should have or we shouldn't have I'm not commenting politically, but What those guys those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking? Gangster, it's crazy. Whether I'm not saying they should or shouldn't I'm just saying right the team was sent and Then the team I mean, can you imagine if I wrote it in a movie people will go that's fucking ridiculous Taylor, right? We don't have to fly a bunch of SF dudes drop them off on the roof of this high-rise Surrounded by the fucking Cuban special forces and they're gonna kill all of them and then they're gonna fucking snatch him And his wife go back to the roof and just fucking fly away That's what they did and they're gonna do it with sound they're gonna disable everyone with a sound weapon like what? Like there was you remember when they first started talking about that Havana syndrome. Yeah, we're dismissing him. This is horseshit. This is bullshit Yeah, like no, they're talking about people that are in Havana that they've been targeted something zapped them low-level frequencies made him nauseous Yeah, and I think that is a fraction of whatever they unleashed in Venezuela Who knows? The discombobulated that's what it's called classified secret weapon system President Donald Trump claimed US forces used during the January 3rd operation to capture Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro He stated that the weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses preventing them from firing back So it's it's both it disables the people and it disables their weapon system Why that's amazing. What the fuck are we doing? Official silence would ask for specific technical or operational details about how the device functions Trump famously told New York Post I'm not allowed to talk about it He says they press buttons they claim the defense forces press buttons and nothing worked disabling both Russian and Chinese made rockets and radar If weapon affected both mechanical equipment and personnel He also referred to it at he also referred to a sonic weapon being used against Maduro's Cuban security detail inside a heavily fortified fortress fucking a man I Would love to see what that looks like You know, I bet they have video - oh sure. Yeah all we're in GoPros. I'd love to go into a skiff Just show me the video. I won't say no. I want to see what it looks like I just want to watch was look like when somebody gets zapped by sound and gets fully disabled Like apparently they just fell to the ground in agony. They couldn't move Yeah, and they just went in and shot everybody some frickin SF sniper Yeah, get on top of that just raining down on him. It's crazy. Like that guy thought he was safe Crazy and there's a famous video of him saying come and get me. Oh, yeah, bro. Yeah, be careful Don't what bear you poke? Yeah, also, it's like we none of us know what the tip of the spear Technology and weapon systems is available right now. We don't know they don't tell us they don't tell us obviously No one knew this fucking discombobulated thing existed. This is science fiction Yeah, right if this is 20 years ago, you'd be like that's not a real thing. But now you're like, oh shit. They used it It's not just a concept. They fucking used it. What else? What are that? What are they cooking out in the desert in the middle of Nevada? Who knows? Yeah, I think about this for that to be used There's something for generations past that hundred percent. They're playing with now. Yeah a hundred percent, you know this whole UAP world stuff like when they start talking about UAPs All of my bullshit alarms go off all of them It's like I don't believe if you knew things you would tell us so I don't believe you're telling us the truth I think they have some special access programs that they've been working on for decades and decades in some Super high-level shit that involves some sort of novel propulsion system And they have that stuff flying around in the sky. And I think that's what a lot of people are saying That's a lot of people are saying That doesn't discount the idea that there's something else out there because I think there is But I think there's a giant chunk of the shit that people are seeing that's ours. Yeah testing Yeah, testing doing stuff with it. If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled upon our barbaric asses Why would they not go? Hey guys fire up that fucking missile and take we found this blue planet We got to get rid of this thing. Well, I think maybe every intelligent species that's tribal and territorial has to go Through an adolescent period of their evolution And if you look at human history, you know, I was reading about Vlad the Impaler last night Jesus crying how many the Ottoman Turks that got killed and his famous methods of putting people on Posts and separating them down the line on the road so that as these poor guys are traveling to go and fight him They just see the enemy stuck on skewers and in geometric patterns and shit. He would do them in like stars and stuff Just he was a vicious motherfucker and he's the motivation behind or the you know, the inspiration behind Dracula Yeah, and I was reading about that guy. I'm like fuck people have always been awful Yeah, they've always been awful, but they just like as time goes on they get a little less awful Less like we're a little less awful now than we were during Nazi Germany not Totally great not collectively right certain. We're still willing to do genocide. Some of us are But it's less less approved. It's less More people are horrified at it. It's like human beings are getting a little bit better It's it's not as quick as we'd like I think if I was an alien life form I would say you have to wait this out It's like if you have a kid you gotta let the kid fall down and stumble stumble You gotta let him get hurt. You gotta let things happen You gotta let him fuck up and figure it out himself. You gotta figure this out make it right you fuck this up You got to give them a chance to become better, right? I think as a civilization I would think the same thing would apply you have to give this civilization time to evolve and adapt and Get past where it's at right now And I don't think that you do that by intervening and like grabbing us by the hand and showing us the way I think what you do is you hang back and make sure that we don't nuke each other and Just sort of pay attention to all the different international ongoings and just let human beings slowly but surely evolve Yeah, that's what I would do if I was an intelligent life form observing people the interesting thing that we're as a civilization facing now and and it's always happened in some capacity when a society gets Wealthy really wealthy and people start to question wealth and How can we be more equitable and it comes across like compassion? But it really comes down to a debate of what is more valuable to a society is self-determination more Valuable or is equity more valuable and by equity what I mean is everyone gets exactly the same shit Everyone so you take them off them. We're not on a monetary society anymore Now you're working for the collective and you're hearing that word thrown around a lot, right these days the problem with working for the collective is who decides who picks up the trash and Who decides who gets to? Go represent your nation at the Olympics who gets to decide? Who gets to? Is someone gonna let me go make TV shows which by the way, I wouldn't do for free. It's too fucking hard, right? So now I don't want to do it Well, then you got to go do this. Well, I want to do that either and that's the problem And then they force you to do things. Yeah, and then so they do that and so then guns. Yeah, so then so so the you either have self-determination or in your attempts to be Collective you have to surrender that and then you're surrendering it to who? And Now you have a dictatorship no matter what the fuck you thought you had. Yeah, it always comes back to that It always you can you can look at Marxism and Leninism and what? Lennon was talking about his hopes whether they were his hopes or not but it it devolved into an authoritarian regime very very quickly and and you know communism socialism fascism Nazism they're all very very The differences are superficial. I think in Rand said that they're just superficial variations between the exact same thing which is the evil of the collective The evil of collective and human beings desire to control their people Yeah they love to they and in any time you give them a chance where they could feel righteous about controlling people they jump at it and They can they have an opportunity to classify people. There's good people and bad people the bad people you could do whatever you want to them they're the other and that happens with every every time Groups get into power like that and tell you what you can and can't do and you're seeing that being embraced Shockingly more and more all over the world people are embracing more government power and more government control and it's really crazy It's really crazy to see it's unique. I think that Number one I think in 30 years when they look back like we're still suffering from a society society from COVID. still and not so much from the disease itself but from our faith in the institutions around us whether it's government whether it's the media whether it's pharmaceutical companies um and the the way that it was manipulated to gain power for a political group and it was effective and so when something's effective then people just keep doing the same thing until it's no longer effective right um we did that in our military with the winds hearts and minds right so that was all that all comes from japan right we're gonna win the hearts and minds of japanese well the japanese surrendered like their emperor who they looked at as a god he told the people of japan after we dropped two freaking nuclear bombs on them hey we are going to endure the unendurable we are going to surrender it's the only way you're going to survive that we can salvage our nation so they willfully surrender and then our government goes look how great this hearts and minds stuff's working it's not working it's not working at all and then they tried it in vietnam didn't work tried it everywhere else that we've had a conflict we've tried it and it hasn't worked yet because what it was based on was flawed right because they they chose to be subjugated at that time and and making that choice kept them an independent nation so our our our government our and it's so dangerous what we're seeing um you can like trump or not like trump it doesn't people are going to like presidents and dislike presidents but now define the rule of law because he happens to be the head of the federal government and openly defying the federal government the repercussions of that are going to be okay fine you can't stand this man you think he's a terrible president and you're not going to follow his laws but that's the new normal now so when a president gets in that you do support then the other side because we've established this precedent they're just not going to follow his laws either right and now we've eroded the rule of law and yeah and then then what happens the slippery slope is very dangerous it's i mean i was saying that when the ice raids were going on because i was like okay i am not in favor of legal criminals being in this country however we're setting a very alarming precedent where you have masked militarized police with no id that are running around the cities snatching people up like this this could set a precedent that could be used by the left if they get into power for something different than this being then just for ice we've already accepted the idea of militarized police on our streets that people with seven weeks training you're just sending them out to snatch up people and a lot of american citizens are getting caught up in that trap too unfortunately and then they have to get released like that that could be bad if if the next party gets in so if the democrats get in next and they decide like maybe there's a new vac a new covid strain happens some new pandemic happens whatever the fuck and if you don't get the vaccine they're going to arrest you and then they start the situation and then they start the situation and then they start the same yes we saw it in i think it was minnesota or whoever they had the national guard on the streets but they had people enforcing lockdowns and so they had people walking on the streets with fucking guns yelling at people to get in your house over a cold like this these kind of slippery slopes you might think no we're just trying to get rid of the bad immigrants i get it i'm with you i agree however the way they're doing it doing it i don't know i'm not even saying there's another way or a better way i'm just saying you want to get them out all at once yeah that's the way to do it you want to get them out quick that's the way to do it because they got them in quick you're right they open the fucking border they help people get in but now that they're in the if you're going to get them out that way you're setting a weird precedent you're setting a precedent that could be used in other ways yeah that's the the challenge is okay we're gonna we need to enforce the law right or don't have them right they've they've enacted no new laws these are the same immigration laws that were on the books when obama was president and clinton was president the same right the same rules it's the it's the methodology and and uh you gotta you gotta sit there and weigh the pros and cons about okay the pros of trying to eradicate this issue you can't give it a deadline yeah right um it's slippery it is slippery and and again it's what's good for the goose is good for the gander and and and these politicians right now who are doing all of us a tremendous disservice in washington i feel our elected officials um because they're they're not thinking beyond this next election and maybe they never have they never have right but they were better at hiding it maybe i think there's no internet but well true i think that's what it is there was no social media but i think we've reached a point as they as they as politicians talk about eliminating the electoral college they talk about eliminating the filibuster eliminate packing courts all these things because their side's not in power and so we're just going to take the structure of the government and totally rework it to benefit us temporarily but then those same benefits that you have now will be used against you yeah they will 100 be used against you i think the most important legislation that we can pass right now is term limits i think i think 12 years tops in congress and i think probably 12 years in the senate two six-year terms in the senate that's more than enough time yeah that's a lot of fucking time that's enough we don't we don't need any anyone else i mean i don't know how it's become how the fuck is nancy pelosi worth 400 million dollars how the fuck well i know how yeah she gets in on all these fucking ipos exactly right she's going to pass the legislation that allows visa to go public and then she's going to get a big chunk of it and then when she's confronted about it look a reporter dead in the eye and fucking lie to him i don't know what you're talking about i didn't do that no consequences we know you did it we could look at how much stock you own yeah you fucking liar they all do it yes they get people are calling out rocon on twitter today fucking rich everyone's getting rich yeah they get paid 175 grand a year and they're all fucking millionaires super millionaires they're all like like she's intensely wealthy that's that's a that's a almost a half a billion dollars that's nuts as a public servant that's nuts yeah that's it's insanity and it's um you know that's what we're used to we're just we just we know it's bad and we just accept it and people are busy and they have families and mortgages and shit to deal with and so they complained and they keep on trucking yeah i mean i have as we discussed i have other jobs i don't have a pile of time to dedicate to it's tough for me to talk politics because i don't have hours in my day to sift through what's real and not real on instagram or social whatever i'm doing that shit but but i can't it's hard to form an opinion because man i don't know and i don't know where to go to get honest news i'm not the news i know that i can't turn on the fucking news because they've fucking been lying to us they they stopped being i don't know if they were ever impartial but but i know i know that um i remember there was a guy i was a kid he was running for president his name was jack kemp i remember jack and i want to say it was dan rather it may not have been it may have been some other newscaster and there's a debate amongst all these different potential candidates for president and as he's introducing all of these various politicians he's saying so and so harvard graduate and law professor from here and this former senator and this and that and the other and this person here and they get to jack kemp and he goes back up quarterback and born again christian jack kemp i'm like wow you just sunk that dude everyone else you gave what their jobs were and and talked about their accomplishments of this you just said he didn't start at quarterback and he's you call that his religion dude and that's the first time i ever remember i'm like i know your opinion i'm not supposed to know your opinion you're supposed to be you're supposed to be giving me news right you're supposed to be giving me honest unbiased information so i can make a decision and you're making a decision for me or trying to yeah and they've gotten so as news became entertainment i mean cnn's the worst thing that ever happened to news because it's 24 hours and now all of a sudden there's not 24 hours worth of news all the time right there is during a war right you can show us news you know war footage the whole time and talk about the war and why war and why no war but when there's not you got to make some shit up or push an opinion and that's where we've gotten with news now now it's news is piss them off and scare the shit out of them yeah that's how we keep them watching and that's the business model it is now and it's also piss them off and scare the shit out of them but ignore certain things that your sponsors wouldn't like you to talk about oh yeah this is why you know tulsi gabbard and her final act as director of national intelligence as she's leaving she had that she gave that press conference about fauci and she talked about how he lied in front of congress and that he absolutely used american tax funds to fund gain of function research through eco health alliance and through the wuhan lab and wuhan china and you know no one's covering it This episode is brought to you by Visible. 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I've never, you've got fucking news anchors keeping a straight face saying it came from the wet market. Did you ever see Jon Stewart's bit on it? No. No. On the Colbert show? No. You never saw it? No. Oh, we need to play it. Let's play it because it's so funny because Colbert tries to like stop him from doing it and push back. And Jon, he's a great comic. He just gets up from his chair and gets louder and just plows through it. Really? Over Colbert's like trying to cock block his bit. He's like, it's like, it's a funny bit. And he's getting in the way. Oh, I'd like to see if you have information on that. I'd like to see it. And he just keeps going. He keeps plowing away. It's very funny. And it's in the middle of it, right? He was a. This was a courageous step because he was doing this when calling it out and saying that it came from a lab in Wuhan, China was somehow or another conflated with racism. Remember that? Yeah. If you said it came from Wuhan, China from a lab, you're a racist. Yeah. Like, how did you pull that off? Like, how did. It's like, no one's saying anything. It's racist. It's from fucking China. And it seems like EcoHealth Alliance funded it. And it seems like we funded EcoHealth Alliance. Yes. There's a lot of fucking people. It's for work. And by the way, there's studies on the fucking disease that they've been doing that are posted on the CDC website. They're posted on the fucking. My favorite was when you catch all this shit about ivermectin. Yeah. And literally, when that happened, I went, I don't fucking look that up, but look up ivermectin and studies with ivermectin. And a study pops up on the CDC website while people are telling us to not take that shit. And it talks about the efficacy of ivermectin. And antiviral properties, specifically COVID-19. So it's on the government website that the fucking drug works while they're telling everyone to not take it. And they're mocking me for taking the horse steamwormer. Watch this. This is great. This is great. No, you stop. Because he still wants to put out that establishment position. I'd like to see any evidence, if you've got any evidence. I don't have any evidence. Yeah. Well, wild times in the news, because I think from then on, that sort of sent a shockwave through the majority of the population where just whatever trust they had in the news just got severely eroded. Yeah. And if we don't have good news, if we don't have trust in the news, then we're kind of adrift. And then you get locked into fucking conspiracy theories and eco chambers online and you can get trapped in them too. And that's not good either. Yeah. Yeah. Then there's nowhere to go. Get information. Has anybody in NBC, CBS, CNN, have any of those people picked up on that Tulsi Gabbard speech about Fauci and had any sort of a reaction to it? I'd like to know that. Because from what I was reading online, none of them had. But this was as of yesterday. I don't know whether or not that's changed. I don't know if they were preparing an article and they wanted to make sure that they got all their ducks in a row. I would think pretty much any time the head of an institute is begging for a pardon when he hasn't been charged with any crime, it's a pretty good indicator. You might want to look and see if there's been a crime committed. Was he begging for a pardon? I mean, he got. Yeah, Fauci. Fauci was like, he had attorneys. This is part of that deal. He had attorneys reaching out to Biden's camp the last day when he got the pardon. Jeez. The very last. It's just a preemptive pardon is nuts, especially when Rand Paul's questioning him and he's talking to him about specifically about what defines gain-of-function research. And by all account, by every definition, it's gain-of-function research. And Fauci's still saying, you do not know what you are talking about. With all due respect. Even though he's a doctor. Yeah. Rand Paul's a fucking doctor. He's an actual doctor. And then they say, well. Well, you're an eye doctor. Well, that's my specialty. But before I became an eye doctor, I became a general doctor, which means I studied all the same shit that Fauci studied. You had to go through medical school before you go pick a specialty. So four years of studying the entire body before you specialize in whatever you're going to specialize in. Well, it's also then if you read RFK Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, you find out he ran this exact same playbook during the AIDS pandemic. It was the exact same playbook. That's what the Dallas Buyers. Club is about. The Dallas Buyers Club, that McConaughey movie about AIDS. The fucking villain is Anthony Fauci. He's the guy that's stopping them from getting alternative medications. That's the guy that wanted everybody to take AZT. You know why? Because AZT had already been approved. They had already used it as a cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped using because it was too deadly. It was killing people quicker than cancer was killing them. So the first medication they gave people when they had an immune system that was compromised was a chemotherapy. It was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people, and they were giving it to people that were asymptomatic. They were giving it to people that tested HIV positive, and then you know about the PCR testing. So the PCR test, Kerry Mullis, the guy who invented PCR testing, said publicly about Fauci, he does not know what the fuck he's talking about. I don't think he said fuck, but he does not know what he's talking about, and that it's not supposed to be used to detect a disease in a person's body. And that if you ramp up the cycles long enough, just like they did with COVID, where we got some, by some estimations, 80% false positives because of the PCR method, because they were ramping them up so high, and so they cut it back quite significantly, and that reduced the amount of false positives they had. But there's a lot of people that got tested as HIV positive that probably weren't, and they put those fucking people on AZT, and AZT kills you. Wow. Yeah, nuts. Most mainstream outlets are treating it as a serious but unethical. Unproven political bombshell. They're reporting that Gabbard alleges, what Gabbard alleges, stressing the documents are disputed and under review, and highlighting how polarized the reaction is. Mainstream print, Jerusalem Post, Money Control Newsweek, summarize her accusations, emphasize that COVID's origins remain unresolved, and note that the claims about Fauci sparking COVID or lying under oath are heavily contested, not yet legally validated. Many stories frame this as reigniting a long-running fight over lab leak versus natural origin. Listen, that fight is over, kids. That fight's over. If you are in the news, and you are saying that there's still a long-running controversy as to whether it's a lab leak or natural origin, shut your fucking dirty whore mouth, because it's not. The fight's over. It's a fucking lab leak. They say the new documents. We'll need independent scrutiny from Congress, investigators, and scientists before any firm conclusions can be drawn. Okay. Right-leaning media highlight her file dump as vindication for critics, focus on the cover-up narrative, and give prominent space to Republicans like Rand Paul. Why does a more centrist or mainstream outlet present it as a straighter news tone, often pairing Gabbard's and GOP's quotes with Fauci's past denials, and nothing there is so far, no judgment. A perjury or criminal conduct. What I've never understood is how this became a left or right issue. So stupid. When Fauci, who's a career bureaucrat, right, through, I mean, when all this started, there was a Republican president. Yep. Right? And then he served that Republican president. He served the Democratic president before that, and before that, and then he served a Republican president. I mean, he's been there for fucking 50 years. Yeah. He's been there forever. This dude. Yeah. This dude is not political. Yeah. It shouldn't be political. There shouldn't be a right-left side to this. It's, hey, a career bureaucrat fucking lied to us. He used the exact same language when he was talking about AZT as a medication for HIV that he used for the COVID vaccine. The reason why it's the only medication is because it is both safe and effective. The guy's a monster. Yeah. It's a little, like, he's one of those guys, like, throughout history, where you're going look back over time and you go, holy shit, this one guy lies this one guy's aspirations this one guy's career fucked so many people over yeah and I don't and I don't understand why Democrats would want to fall on that sword with there's no reason to align because people are stupid and they just decide that because a Republicans a president and anything the Republicans are pushing has to be bad and that that stupid fucking division it's so it's so silly it's so silly it really is because the same people during Trump's presidency were openly saying are you gonna trust a vaccine that's created under Trump they were all saying it Kamala Harris said it a bunch of Joy Reid said they all said it and then they then they bet their entire political livelihoods on it we deserve better we really do or we don't maybe we don't we fucking think they're good we're so silly it's such a fucking silly group of human beings we are that's fucking wild not all of us though you know I think less of us now I think it's it's gonna be way harder to divide people the way they divided everybody in 2020 it'll be way harder now I think most people are just not buying it and as long as people wake up to this left versus right nonsense it's really just a big fucking hustle to keep you fighting with each other oh for sure most of it even the ice stuff that we were talking about hey folks do you think it's a coincidence that the biggest fucking ice protests were all going on in the same place where they found all that fraud do you think that these organized massive protests were all occurring in the same place where that Nick Shirley cat found fucking billions of dollars in fraud yeah shocker kind of crazy didn't they pass didn't California pass a law a Nick Shirley law to prevent that that specifically that guy from fucking poking around in California yes yes I mean they've even referred to it as the Nick Shirley law that the idea is to keep people from investigating fraud which is outlandish that is outrageous that is a crazy thing to emphasize and the thing is well you know these people are showing up at daycares and looking in right they shouldn't you're right a hundred percent and people random people from the internet should not be showing up at daycares with cameras I agree however when there's no one in that daycare for years and years and years and they can prove that fucking millions of dollars being earned by that daycare and there's no one in there it's a little weird isn't there a isn't that fully passed into law not yet isn't there a video of that kid like walking up to one of these and these dudes get out and like drive off in their fucking Bentleys I don't know if those are real there's a bunch of fake videos that were made by people out there that I don't know if those are real there's a bunch of fake videos that were made by people out there that I don't know if those are real there's a bunch of fake videos that were made by people out there that were just capitalizing on people wanting to click on something like that and so they were just engagement farming by pretending like the guy would show up and they go what are you talking about I have no idea what is bad acting and they get a Rolls Royce like it's just bullshit it seemed like bullshit to me I mean I'm sure a bunch of those guys made a bunch of money and I'm sure there is a lot of fraud just like they're admitting it Minnesota's admitting it they knew it was going on forever I mean I'm sure a bunch of those guys made a bunch of money and I'm sure there is a lot of fraud just like they're admitting it Minnesota's admitting it they knew it was going on forever you know and then how about the fact that there's certain politicians that voted against this idea so one of those ladies that was killed like there was a lady and her husband that were murdered in Minnesota and she was one of the few people that voted against providing Medicare for illegals they were trying to they were trying to pass some bill involving Medicare and illegals and she was one of the ones that voted against it and she was killed by the the guy who killed her said that Tim Waltz sent him to kill them now I don't know if he's full of shit he easily could be he's a fucking crazy person he's a murderer he showed up at their house with a mask on and fucking shot them dead and shot a couple other people too it's like he's you know obviously he's fucking cracked out but kind of weird kind of weird that the lady who wants to vote against this obvious fraud this money that's being somehow another funneled around through Medicare like one of the things that Elon said when he was on the podcast is that Medicaid and Medicare fraud is one of the biggest fucking problems and he was looking into a doge he goes I almost don't want to talk about it because I don't want to get killed he goes it's that bad and this was before all this Nick Shirley shit and now you're seeing it and you're like oh now I get it these hospices that they have these fake hospices in California and then these all the Somali daycare centers on all the different things like these people just make autism the autism diagnoses went through the fucking roof because now they can have these autism centers so they just diagnose their kids as autistic and then they're raking in all this money for treatment it's crazy how much fraud there is hundreds of billions hundreds of billions of dollars and just what a shocker that that's the place where the big ice protest broke out people forget that this episode is brought to you by LifeLock it may be hard to believe but identity theft is the number one crime in America right now millions of people are dealing with stolen accounts fraudulent loans and the exhausting process of proving who they are to banks creditors and credit bureaus LifeLock helps you fight back they monitor your personal 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help out whoever wants a piece of this pie is a juicy ass pie it's a hundred billion dollar pie come get something that'll almost bill you a rail system in California you get a mile of track or a second Google bridge fucking car sales but have you had that guy on no no he wants to be on I'm sure he talks a lot of shit about me at first he was saying Joe Rogan's not a fan of me but I'm a big fan of him he was like saying all this doesn't he have his own podcast yeah because that city that state is running so well he the governor doesn't got a lot of free time it's so smooth if you ask him he'll tell you he'll tell you how awesome he'll give you stats he get the stats statistically people are moving there in record numbers yeah that's not true it's not true it's um it's uh the all the stats the positive stats they were already going on before he was the governor it's it's California's an awesome place the fucking weather's perfect San Francisco has always been an incredible tech hub of geniuses there's always been a bunch of super wizards up there that are creating some of the best technology in the world and that has nothing to do with him has zero to do with him and all these problems that their inept government has caused because that's the real problem with him as a governor it's a real problem with Karen Bass as a mayor it's a real problem with whatever the fuck happened to San Francisco it's bad government it's not upholding the rule of the law not keeping people safe being empathetic to people that are shooting up on the street over people that are trying to walk their fucking kids to school yeah like what you're doing is bad for society it's bad and and it seems to me that for the most part for the most part if you are the mayor of a city and and when I was writing Yellowstone that the governor of Montana at the time who who was a Democrat, I called him and asked him, I said, hey, can I just talk to you about what it's like to be a governor? What did you think it would be and what did it turn out to be? And what he said was, Steve Bullock is his name. He said, well, I thought I was going to, you know, make all these changes and do this and shepherd this. And I learned that I am the CEO of a state and that my job as the CEO of the state is take care of the people who live in the state, the employees of the state, attract business here, attract tourism here and try to make the state make more money and make lives better. That's my job. Infrastructure and city management and people management and tourism. That's my job. And to a even more acutely to a mayor, you're really the president of a city or the CEO of the city. And your job is keep the lights on, pick up the trash, put out the fires, deal with the sewage. Keep it safe. Like, that's it. There's no social anything secondarily, possibly. But run the schools, run the city. And you have in a lot of these big urban areas where they're so agenda driven and they're they're pushing a social agenda. And they're not running the cities. They're not running them at all. And so they're running into the ground. And it's tragic to see because San Francisco, like you said, it's a beautiful city. L.A. used to be. And a place where you could go and make your dreams come true. San Francisco was awesome 10 years ago, just 10 years ago. I filmed my special Triggered in the Fillmore in San Francisco in 2016. It was great. No problems. It was not homeless people everywhere. It was normal. It was normal San Francisco. Go to a cool restaurant. People are cool. Always been like a smart city. Interesting architecture. Always been a great city. I lived there from the time I was seven to 11. Yeah. I loved San Francisco. It's unrecognizable now. Ten years. That's it. Ten years of fucking asinine government. And also this homeless thing, when you realize that it's an industry, the homelessness is valuable. Having homeless people on the streets is valuable because you can get more money to deal with this obvious homeless problem. The more obvious the problem is, the more money they're going to throw on it. They don't have to fix it. There's no intention to fix it. Right. No incentive. They're giving out free needles. Here. Yeah. Get high. Here. And I was just somewhere where my first experience seeing the homeless in this magnitude. And the one thing that's evident instantly is they're all so completely strung out on drugs. Like this fentanyl thing is no fucking joke. Like the zombies leaning against every corner. And to me, it's cruel. Right. Yeah. Like if someone's to that point and you want to help them, don't give them a fucking iPhone and some more needles. How about you pick them up off the street and you take them somewhere and go, look, there's a curfew here and you ain't doing no drugs. We're going to clean you out. And some aren't going to want that. They're going to want to go back on the street and do drugs. And the addiction and the consequences of drugs that are that. I had surgery. They had. Put me on fentanyl. I had neck surgery and they put me on fentanyl. There's high. Then there's that shit. And that was done by an anesthesiologist. I wasn't self-medicating on a fucking parking lot. Right. What'd you get done to your neck? C67. Fusion? No, no, no, no, no. I had the. Dyscectomy? The disc, yeah. Just cut some of it down? Yeah. It's okay now? Yeah. How long ago did you get that done? Was that maybe three years ago? I wish I'd talked to you. Yeah, three years ago. If that ever happens again, don't do that. Don't? No. Well, it'll happen again. Yeah, I'm sure it will. There's other ways. There's a way. Yeah. There's PRP can help it. Regenikine helped mine. I had a pretty bad bulging disc in my neck. What's Regenikine? Regenikine is, they used to have to go to Germany to do it. I know Peyton Manning went there. Kobe Bryant went there. And Dana White actually flew to Germany to get it done. It is, it's like an advanced form of platelet-rich plasma where they take your blood. There's a process to it. Pull it up, Jamie, because I can't remember what the process is. But they spin it in a centrifuge for like 10 hours and then you come back the next day and they inject it and it makes this very potent anti-inflammatory and they inject it around wherever the injury is to the disc. And it provides like within weeks, amazing relief. And for me, it completely cured it. I had a point when my fingers were going numb. Yeah, that's what. German, go back up. Back to where, yeah. So German physician, Dr. Peter Welling, the treatment focused on blocking a specific inflammatory protein, interleukin-1. So they take the blood out, they draw your blood, and then the blood is heated to body temperature to trigger the production of a natural anti-inflammatory protein called IL-1RA. And then they spin it in a centrifuge, separating out the protein-rich serum. The serum is then injected directly into the painful joint or tissue. Dude, it was remarkable. It was incredible for me for knee injuries. I did it a bunch of times. I used to do it at, they moved it, you used to have to go to Germany and then Santa Monica, they opened up an office. It's lifestyle medicine. That's what it's called, right? And then that's where I had it done. And you, it's incredible. Like I had it done in my entire back. Like there's a picture of me on the, on Instagram with a bunch of these fucking tubes in my, that's me right there. Oh shit. Bunch of those tubes in my hairy ass back. And it was incredible. I mean, it really fixed so many problems that I had. It's really great for, specifically for back injuries, knee injuries, stuff like that. There's a lot of good biological options. There's also decompression is very important. I have a harness that I attach to a pull-up bar and it straps under my chin and I just like let my weight drop down and decompress my weight on my neck. I do that every day. And then I also have this thing called a deadlift. It's called the Dex-3, is it Dex-2 or Dex-3? You, you hang forward. It's like Teeter makes it, you know, that company that makes those decompression tables. But this one's even better because you just hinge from the hip. So you're not supporting it at all with your legs and it's just your back. It just goes like pop, pop, pop. Like you could feel it. I made one of those. I'll show it to you. We have one out here. We have two of them out here actually. All right. Right out, yeah, in the gym. It's, they're, they're the shit. I have one at home. I don't, I will not, not have one. I have to have one. It's so good for just decompression. Decompressing your back. But you need to decompress the neck too. Anytime you're doing anything, if you're deadlifting or squat, obviously you're lifting a lot of heavyweights. If anytime you're lifting weight, you got to think all that, all that pressure's on your back, all that squashing down. And you got to do something to stretch it out. Stretch it back out. But there's ways to heal it now without taking away the disc. So the problem is every time they cut away a piece of your disc. You got less disc. You got less disc. Yeah. So the good news is there's some treatments that they're doing now. Where they're actually injecting some sort of a hydro gel. I've heard about this. Into the disc itself. So I asked Brigham from Ways to Well about that. And they're looking into it. And they're trying to, apparently this is not being done widely yet. This is like, this is just experimental. But they, they think they're going to be able to do that. There's also some places like CPI, Cellular Performance Institute down in Tijuana. They've successfully been injecting stem cells into people's discs. And. It causes the disc to regenerate tissue and get thicker and healthier. Really? Yeah. Shane Dorian, my friend, he's a pro surfer and a big wave surfer and bow hunter. He, he went down there and he said it was remarkable. He said within a couple of months, like a 30 to 40% increase in range of motion. Really? Decrease in pain. Yeah. You could feel it. It's kind of an annoying process. Cause once you do it, you can't really do shit for like six weeks. Like once you, I think it's six weeks. Well, that's what the same with the surgery. You're not doing shit for six weeks. Except after that. But you can't lift weights. You could walk, you could walk, you know, it's all, it's a whole thing. It's like, let everything take, like, let it take, let it heal up. Don't do anything stupid. Don't re injure it. Don't aggravate it. Like give it a chance to actually do its magic. Yeah. I'll look into that for sure. But any neck injury or back injury, there's such a motherfucker. Anytime your back goes out, you're like, eh, everything you do is like, ah, it's so hard to do anything. It's like, you realize like how nice it is to be. You're healthy when, you know, whenever you get hurt. Yeah. No back pain. That's, that's what killed my stepfather. Back pain? Yeah. Did he just get on pills? Yeah. Yeah. I have a friend in the family that did that. Yeah. He was in, I remember one time we were fishing up in Wyoming and, and he just, he was like, I can't do it. Back hurts too bad. And he went in and had a surgery and made it worse, which is, which is a real, real risk when you start messing around with the spine. Right. Um, and so, yeah. And then it was, you know, those are serious pain. Now we're talking to Oxy. Yeah. Now you're in just agony. Now you're on a clock. Yeah. And you can only do that shit for so long. Oxys are fucking terrifying. They're so terrifying. Yeah. So terrifying how readily they were handing them out to forever. Yeah. Do you ever see painkiller that the Peter Berg thing that he did for Netflix? No, I didn't. It was fucking great, man. - So, Matthew Broderick plays such a great creep. oh he played the sackler brother the sackler really yeah the head of the family that started this whole opiate problem that we have in this country it's fucking terrifying because it's all real and those fucking people never even went to jail who knows how many people are dead because of them yeah yeah they generated fucking billions and billions of dollars killed a bunch of people ruined countless lives how many lives people that were connected your dad gets hooked on that shit it ruins your relationship with your your family you you wind up being all fucked up because you grew up with a dad who was throwing out on pills no generation yeah generational damage oh god yeah and these guys put their feet up yeah they go to a fucking nice country club and have the lobster yeah cocksuckers there's so many of them in this world there's like that's genuinely evil yes there's real demons there's that's a real demon like people want to think demons live in hell and you know that's that's kind of you know maybe may or may not be real well no they're on earth yeah there's demons they're right here yeah and they justify it they figure out a way to justify it and they're around a bunch of other people who justify it too and they can just immediately dismiss any pain or suffering because they got a huge amount of profit from it yeah yep those are the fuckers those are the fuckers yeah they're out there and it doesn't take many of them to create like real carnage i mean think about that think about the opiate issue in this and it's still going it was the gateway to fentanyl right if you think about it yeah it was the gateway to fentanyl and it was uh it was also it's like they were doing those pain pain management centers down in florida where they just all they prescribed as pills so you would go and like i'm in pain they're like oh taylor we've got the solution it's right next door and you go right next door to their pharmacy and all their pharmacy has like they don't have bengay over there they don't have toothbrushes oxy yeah i got here you go buddy this is the solution yeah fucked yep yep that's the real drug trade yeah right yeah i mean the cartel is basically getting the scraps they're making trillions of dollars off scraps well think about this did you even know what fentanyl was 15 years ago i never heard of it no i don't even remember when we first heard about it but when we first heard about it on a podcast we were talking about it and we found the amount that's lethal they showed it next to a penny and they're like what yeah that can kill you and people are taking that and they're mixing that in cocaine holy fuck and they are bent over zombies on the side of the road yeah philadelphia's bad too there's a bunch of cities that are just real bad with it and it doesn't have to be that way and what's interesting is this ibogaine initiative that rick perry and brian hubbard are pushing in texas and that i went to the white house to get trump to be involved in and they're trying to make this so that it's uh you have a right to use or right i think they call it right to use a right to try for people that are addicted and they're trying to make it more readily available and accessible to veterans that's the thing that could help all these people what is it now ibogaine do you don't know what that is no ibogaine is a uh it comes from the aboga tree in africa and it is this very potent psychedelic that has no recreational use at all it's not fun nobody likes it it's not like you trip you see zombies and fucking hang out with the aliens uh-uh you go into this very dark experience for like 24 hours where it like replays your life to you in a very uncomfortable way and also somehow or another rewires addiction in your brain and for a large percentage of people just one dose is good enough to get them off of everything whatever they're on whether it's alcohol gambling coke whatever the fuck it is but for two doses when they do it twice it's significantly better and it doesn't just do that rick perry who was the republican former governor of texas was staunchly anti-drugs he's said this is his main focus in life now is to promote this this is his goal in life because he did it and he had an incredible reaction to it and he knows so many veterans who have done it it's incredible for ptsd somehow or another it has neuro regenerative properties where he went there and they said he went to his doctor before and you know doctor did a whole scan of his body and he said look you've got a certain amount of age-related brain atrophy it's like it's fine but you know it's normal that you're 73 years old or 74 years old so he goes and does the ibogaine uh sees his doctor a short time afterwards and the doctor says you it's 25 percent less atrophy than when you got the last scan and explains to him the whole ibogaine thing he goes back six months later it's all gone he has no brain atrophy anymore which is bananas so it's regenerating brain tissue it's making his brain work better and it's just pharmaceutical companies aren't going to let that out well they're they didn't like it they didn't like that i bypassed them and went straight to trump and told them about that but trump was very open to it he said what are you looking for you're looking for d.a approval like let's do it like that's literally what he said and then a week later we were at the white house and he was signing it so it's incredible but if so many veterans have had to go over to mostly mexico but costa rica there's a bunch of different places that they go where they can have these ibogaine retreats and these guys have had incredible results marcus latrell he had an incredible result from it he had a real problem drinking you know obviously he's the guy lone driver the the movies based on his experiences over in afghanistan so this guy you know he's he's done it he's gotten over it because of that like there's a long shawn ryan long list of guys who have had this experience and it completely changed them wow dakota meyer did it so many of these guys did it and because of their their stories because all these veterans then it like kind of opened up the idea to a lot more right-wing people that would maybe be like more hesitant to accept something like this then on top of it no recreational use like no one's like boy i can't wait to do that again everybody's like holy this sucked i had diarrhea i threw up i felt i was horrified for 12 hours it apparently just takes you through every aspect of your life like review like a movie all the times you've ever hurt people you see it from their perspective like yeah it's like very it's a very dark experience for a lot of people especially a lot of people that have up a lot of their life you know wow yeah yeah but if those people had access to ibogaine all these homeless people that you see strung out if instead of just giving them needles in an iphone and like profiting off of it if somehow or another these can figure out a way to profit off of these centers we could bring people in and give them ibogaine retreats maybe that would be a nice little exit strategy for all these grifters that have been profiting off of the homeless industrial complex for so long yeah well you know they're not trying to solve problems no no they're trying to make money that's what i was saying earlier when we're talking about charities that's the saddest thing that i have come to the realization that most non-profits are fucking scams like most of them most of them and this guy was like reading off like the average amount that these people that are in charge of the homeless program in l.a are making it's it's extraordinary amount of money it's a great living they're not doing it because it's like some sort of a very charitable thing that they really want to save the world and help people they're making 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squarespace i know because i use it that's right joe rogan.com is powered by squarespace it has all the features that you need to create a standout website like an ai enhanced website builder seo optimization tools and seamless checkouts with mobile payloads pay links head to squarespace.com slash rogan for a free trial and when you are ready to launch use the offer code rogan to save 10 off your first purchase of a website or domain for their performative entrepreneurs if you think about it come up with a problem then go pitch some version of karen's solution to a government and take the fucking money and never solve the problem because as soon as you solve the problem and if you do somehow accidentally solve it then go find another one yeah and i think um that's one of the reasons why shows like Yellowstone in particular that show like people that are proud to work hard and really get like deep satisfaction out of that life and there's something about that that really like it resonates with people like there's a better way than just bullshitting people there's a better way than fraud and and nonsense and all this political horseshit that's pumped down your throat every day no no how about a fucking just a sleeping bag and the stars how about that just lying there with your horse tied to a tree isn't that really what everybody wants isn't it doesn't really ever want to cook their dinner over a fire and laugh with all their friends because that's what they really want that's that's just something good simple something real something that really that's like there's it's not that simple because it's hard to do all that shit but there's something about it that's pure it's pure there's no if and ands or buts you spend a lot of time outside right and and the entire thing's an endeavor right if you go on you go bow hunting you know you're gonna you're gonna practice prepare before you go then you're gonna hike your ass in uh somewhere you have to set up a camp uh and all of these are tasks before you've even gone to do the thing you went there to do which is going to be another task but the completion of them is the reward yeah and the fact that you're doing it yourself everything done yourself i think that's and that's why people are so attracted to the life that's why i've got you know third generation cowboys that went and got a degree in ranch management to come back and make you know three thousand dollars a month and couldn't be happier it's wild isn't it it's really wild when you think about it it's wild what people actually gravitate towards because they say that have you ever seen that werner herzog um documentary happy people no it's called happy people life in the tiger river in uh siberia and uh all these people do is trap and hunt and fish they don't have any other way to make a living that's all they do and they're so fucking happy and they're all laughing together and drinking together and hanging out with their dogs and their dogs are sled dogs and so they're on they're on snowmobiles and the dogs are chasing behind them and the dogs hunt with them and these fucking people have like zero mental illness and when they're talking to them they're talking in russian so it's all translated but what they're talking about like the way they talk it's like that this is how you're supposed to live this is real life and they're all happy there's a guy i'm gonna get his name wrong it's like primager something like that uh and he in the 60s dick premiken premiken that's it yeah yeah the guy who lived in alaska yeah yeah went up said bucket yeah went up into the way into the wild and built by hand a cabin and lived there and and documented it brought a little super 8 camera whatever film the whole thing yeah and filmed himself i mean he he lived for 35 years he was 80 something years old when he finally was too old to to get through another winter when he came down and he just built this cabin and just lived yeah fished grew potatoes had to build yes uh p-r-o-e if you haven't if you haven't watched that documentary it is fascinating it's amazing yeah look at the difference what is it oh they're how much oh this is they've oh but why they show this 2023 um this guy when he documented all of it you know it's so attractive there's something about the way he's living and he's by himself which is also wild like how do you not get lonely no there's that i mean i'd lose my fucking marbles i need people yeah i need to talk to somebody i don't think i'd be liking that but i don't know but it's so attractive but the but the notion of that kind of self-reliance yeah no there's something about it that's like deeply ingrained in our dna it's not just that it's like uh it's a healthy interaction with the wild world there he is look at that guy made all that shit himself that's what's crazy yeah the whole the whole thing i mean he made his own tools he made it it was it's really wild i think he was a wasn't he uh a lumberman or something like that i can't remember if he was look at fucking pretty that is my god this is right in front of his house you just build a house out there alaska's amazing man i mean the winners can suck a dick but the just the actual being there in the place and the people are they're clearly like extraordinary people like when you go just even hanging out in a bar in anchorage like you guys are different they're like more reliable you know no matter where dirtier people no matter where you live in alaska you're gonna have to be tough yeah you have to be and they were laughing about some guy who got stomped to death by a moose because he was throwing snowballs at it in town like okay like that's something you guys have to think about you you might get stomped to death in front of the atm machine or maybe maybe don't throw a fucking snowball at a thousand pound animal yeah well you can catch a cow with their calves and she'll stop or what so it's a book uh preneke says he turned his back on a tedious on tedious 50-hour work weeks and moved to alaska to do a thing to completion he built the cabin when he was 51 and lived there for more than 30 years wow wow where is that area the twin lakes in lake clark national park there's another guy that lives up there that lives uh near the arctic circle um vice guide to travel did a piece on him years ago it's the same kind of deal he lives in a cabin and uh he's been up in that cabin since the 1970s he didn't he never saw 9-11 he saw a photograph of it years later he's just been up there in the woods all he does is he hunts caribou and he has them all like hanging up like frozen because it's frozen outside like that's as outside as his cooler and while they're there grizzly tries to steal his stash and he has to shoot the grizzly it's like it's crazy really what's that called it's called uh vice guide to travel and it's hein mo's arctic adventure is the video series and what's interesting this is like the early days of vice when vice was really cool and they get this fucking nerd with glasses probably from like williamsburg who flies out this guy and uh the guy they said like these journalists were like hardcore these young kids were they knew they were doing something kind of crazy and they would go to war zones like that's how tim pool started out these guys would go to the fucking war zones and get shot at they had bulletproof vests on and shit they'd be doing investigate like real investigative reporting and so this guy did just really went up there and hung out with this dude in alaska for like a week and was talking to him it's like what's what's so great about this and he's a very intelligent guy he's not a the guy who's this this guy hein mo see if you find that do you find it i was looking around there's a i mean they're still posting stuff they've there's a the last alaskan excuse me the last alaskans oh he's still posting stuff they have a youtube channel oh wow heimo and edna oh oh wow he looks older now yeah they're just talking about podcasts here a second ago oh interesting they're talking about podcasts our podcast oh because we talked about them i don't know i mean just i just saw as you were your picture popped up oh that's it that's me talking about him yeah uh see if you could find the vice guy to travel because that's where i found out about him so this guy's he's like one of the last people that's allowed to live up there he has like a notice posted on his um his cabin because he's grandfathered in i don't think you could build a cabin up there anymore yeah that's not this is afterwards 15 years ago might be it but i think it's called hein mo's arctic adventure yeah heimo heimo korth heimo's arctic refuge that's the article yeah i mean the vice website isn't really one of the most well-kept things on the internet these days um um put in arctic adventure i'm guessing that the article was the first thing and then they went and followed up to make a video and that's what this is yeah i don't know yeah maybe that's it yeah see it says it presents heimo's arctic refuge right that's probably it they could have just changed the name on youtube i think they did or maybe i remember it wrong either way this guy's premise is that this is really how you should live this is how people yeah that's the guy so he's looking nerdy cat is hanging out he looks so out of place yep this is it and he's got this uh caribou that he shot and they're hanging frozen and he just saws off a piece and throws the frozen steaks onto the grill cooks it over wood and this is how this guy lives and that's all he eats he's just eating caribou and salmon and he lives up there all year round man and it's uh i mean he's just very happy and that this is the weird part about it is how happy people who live like this are because i think that's in our brain that's That's how we're designed to exist with nature. We're designed to be hunter-gatherers. We still have the same DNA as people that lived tens of thousands of years ago. And, you know, cities started, what, maybe 10,000 years ago in some form, right? Yeah, depending on who you ask. You know, I think we're a little wrong with that too. I think they're starting to change their perspective of when actual civilization emerged because of stuff like Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. They found these immense structures that are 11,800 years old that were buried that this guy who was like, I think it was a sheepherder in the 90s found it. Yeah, he found like a stone that was like sticking out of the ground weird and he kicked it with his boots, like knocking some dirt off. And then he brought in some archaeologists and then they discovered this massive complex. These like. These like huge circles of giant stone columns with 3D animals carved in them. And they carbon dated the ground and it was intentionally covered up somewhere around 11,000 plus years ago. So they're like. Really? Yeah, so like, what the fuck is this? Like, they didn't even know like what the civilization was. Like, why did they build this? What's the purpose of it? There's a lot of people that debate whether or not what's depicted on it is a calendar. Is it a marking of an event? Does it show the flood? Like, what is this? It's weird stuff, man. Like, really weird stuff. And I think there's more of that than you'd like to. That makes people comfortable. And archaeologists are very hesitant to accept it. Well, that whole deal, right? Like, your relevance being upon you discovered this thing. Yeah. When they found the Clovis Point. So then we're dating everything off of that and anyone finding anything else is going to render that guy's discovery less important. Yeah. And, you know, there's. At one point, we thought there was this logical evolution of man from Homo erectus into Homo sapien. And now we know that there were at least four, maybe five species of humanoid living at the same time. At least five. Not only that, it's like really difficult to make a fossil. Most people are going to die and their bones are going to be gone within a hundred years. Yeah. It's just what we've been able to find and we're basing an entire science upon. Incredibly incomplete. Well, we're basing an entire science on a very limited number that can even possibly exist. Like, I think if you take into account how many dinosaur bones they've found and then how many dinosaurs existed and for how many hundreds of millions of years dinosaurs existed and you realize like, oh, like most shit doesn't make a fossil. So we don't even know how many different dinosaurs that we've. I mean, they just discovered a new one recently. There's. We don't even know how many. We don't even know how many existed that we never found fossilized. Yeah. If they didn't run through some lava pit or tar pit or something, how would you know? And every so often some new form of ancient human pops up and we're like, oh, well, what's this one? What the fuck is this one? There's weird ones. They're all over the place. There's a fucking ton of them. The Denisovans. There's the one in, I believe it was in China, the big headed people. They're quite a bit larger. Yeah, these are in Texas. Yeah, that's Glen Rose. Valley State Park. Wow. That's Glen Rose, Texas. That's crazy. How crazy is that? Look at those footprints. That's so nuts. That is so nuts. The dinosaur leptos. How long ago? 113 million year old dinosaur tracks. What the fuck, man? And, you know, we're just lucky. So what is he. That thing and how much did it fucking weigh to imprint into that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is now granite, right? But at the time, it's probably some mixture of mud and ash from a volcano that came together. Right, probably. Some version of that. Right. I wonder what the animal was. Do they know which dinosaur it was? There's a picture of one here. I don't know if it's. I'll just guess that's the one they assumed was there. God, those footprints are so dope. That's so wild. I wonder who the first guy that found that was. It says it was discovered after a drought, so it would have been. Oh. Oh, that's even cooler. So it was underneath the water the whole time. And then they're like, holy. The river dried up completely in most locations, allowing for more tracks to be uncovered here in the park. Wow. That's sick. That's the animal? Believed to be. I don't know yet. They wouldn't know for sure. Belonged to two types of dinos, including acrocanthosaurus. Yeah, I don't think they found any fossils or anything to be. For the record. That's even crazier, right? All you find is the feet. Think about how many died there. Think about how many just got eaten by other animals and shit out. I mean, most stuff that lives. I mean, you know as well as anybody, you very rarely find skeletons in the woods. No, the mice are going to eat them. Yeah, something's going to eat most of what you find in the woods. Within a couple of years, everything's gone. But like, when was the last time. Like, if you're a hunter. Good luck finding a dead mountain lion. They must die. They must die. I don't know anybody that's found a dead one. I've never found one. I've never seen one. There's thousands of them. They die. Where are they? Fucking nature takes care of everything. And that's what would happen to most fossils. Yeah. That's why most fossils don't happen. I mean, when people die, they don't get fossilized. This picture says 1908, a local schoolboy found some of these. Wow. Look at the size of those next to that dude. That's crazy. Imagine you ran home and tried to tell your parents that you found some dinosaur. They wouldn't even know what dinosaurs really were, I bet, back then. How would they have known? Well, there's a lot of people today that don't even think dinosaurs are real, which is hilarious. There's so many knuckleheads online. But, I mean, we have a very limited amount of information that we're basing the entire history of Earth on the planet. What do you describe that as in 1910? Three-toed giant lizard? I don't even know what you would say. I don't. How would you even be sure that that was a dinosaur? It was a footprint. Come look at this, and then you've got to go tell everybody else in the town to come follow you out there to find it. Right. In 1910, did they even have drawings of dinosaurs? Well, I wouldn't think they would have found some of the bones. I'm sure. I think we figured that out, right? I think we talked about that. Didn't they first start finding them in the 1800s? Isn't that what it was? But, yeah, it's not. I mean, if you think about how many different things died and just were absorbed by the Earth, just gets eaten, shit out, swallowed up, just destroyed by time. And erosion, and never became fossils. We're basing the entire history of the planet on a limited amount of information. And that information, it never gets younger. It always gets older. The more stuff they found, like they found a modern version of human beings that pushes the timeline of humans back another 300,000 or 400,000 years. And that keeps happening. Well, they thought that people crossed the Bering Land Bridge. Mm-hmm. 12,000. 12,000, 14,000 years ago. And now they've pushed that back 10,000 years. Yeah, they found those footprints in White Sands, New Mexico. And those are 22,000 years old. It took a giant flood to come wash away layers of sediment. Oh, wow. And then reveal that. That's why it's so muddy around it, I guess. Wow. And then they started digging. That's fucking cool. Wow. That is so cool. And this is in 1952 they did that? No, no, no. 1908. 1908? The pictures are from 1952 or something like that. Oh, okay. They must have just kept, maybe it flooded again 50 years later. Floods do happen here fast. When did they first figure out dinosaurs? Like what was the first year a dinosaur bone was discovered? On your ranch, do you find like a lot of like arrowheads and like Native American stuff? The one I grew up on everywhere. Yeah? Every time it would rain, you'd find these points. That's it. It enthralls me. It's so fascinating. You pick up some arrow. I found one in Nevada while I was on a mule deer hunt. I was in the high desert. We found this little tiny thing. I looked down. I go, oh my God, it's a fucking arrowhead. And you just think some dude, who knows how many hundreds of years ago, shot that at a deer. Thousands. Yeah. We found a bunch and my mother took them to Fort Worth to the museum and they dated them. And some of them, and they could look at them and they'd know various styles, right? And they go, oh, this was made. This was made by, this is 2,200 years old. This is 4,000 years old. This is when they started doing this. We have one here. I got one here somewhere. It's a big one too. 1677 was when the first scientifically recorded dinosaur bone was described. Although it says they've been digging, people have been digging them up for thousands of years, but. They didn't know what the fuck it was? This one, he says, he even thought it belonged to a giant human. This is one from, oh yeah. Yeah. Look at that. A friend of mine got that off of his ranch. Remy Warren told me that's probably one they used for fishing because it was so big. Interesting. Yeah. I thought so too. I was like, that's interesting. Because I guess when you're dealing with old bows that didn't have a whole lot of power, you really wouldn't want a big wide cut because you wouldn't get enough penetration to get through the rib cage unless you were really close. So this would be more on a spear? No, it would be on an arrow. It would just be something that you shot at a fish because it's easier to penetrate. Than like, say, a buffalo where they would use a smaller head. They're just trying to get penetration. That's fascinating. That's just an amazing thing you're finding. finding just this piece of ancient history where people had no internet, no books, no nothing, just flintknapping and using tendons and shit. Sat around and. Yeah. And then trying to practice with those bows and figuring out how to do it while you're on horseback, too. That's. It's crazy. That's wild. So where you grew up, on the ranch you grew up, you'd find them all the time? All the time. What was the oldest shit you found? Man, I can't remember. But I remember it being thousands of years old, a few thousand years old. But we had a. My mother had this wicker basket that was this big, and it was full. Of arrowheads? Yeah. Wow. You'd find them, just toss them in there. That's crazy. Yeah. It just makes you think, how long did people live on that land? How many hundreds, thousands, five years did people live on that land? Yeah. Yeah. And. Or pass through or have battles or who fucking knows. Yeah. Or when you find them like we found them, I mean, every single time it rained, there was this stock tank behind our house, and maybe it's half a mile up to the stock tank. We'd walk that road, and you could find four or five. So was that a trading depot? Was that some place where people went to trade? Yeah. And then I always think, how do you lose that many? Right. As hard as they must be to make. Right. You'd think once you've shot that arrow, you're going to go look for the arrow. Yeah. Because you spent hours making this tip. They must have shot so many for so long. I mean, they're probably shooting them every day. They probably had somebody back at the camp making them every day. Yeah, there's probably some guy that that's his skill. Yeah. Maybe when people got older, they couldn't hunt, couldn't run. Right. You know? Yeah, maybe. They sat back and. Right. Yeah, and that guy makes the arrows, and maybe somebody else makes the bows, and this guy's going out and shooting the deer and bringing them back. When you're doing a show like 1823, how much research did you have to do to try to get that right? Because that was, in my opinion, one of the best theatrical things that I ever watched, movie or television show, that I feel like nailed what it must have been like to try to travel across the country, to be a civilized person living in the city, and try to make your way across the country and just experience the wild shit those people saw. Well, there's a few things, so a lot of research. But interestingly, I had. My family had come. One side of my family had come from Kentucky to Texas in the 1840s, and whatever great-great-grandmother journaled. Wow. So I had the journal. Holy shit. Holy shit. And then I started finding other journals. There wasn't. Some were published. And reading about just how fucking dangerous it was, if you think about it, rivers were the most terrifying thing, crossing rivers. Because no one swam. No one could swim. And most of the people who came into either the port of New Orleans or Galveston, they were European. They were German, a lot of Germans. There were a lot of Central Europeans that came, and they were promised free land, right? There would be travel agencies that they would arrange the entire trip with before they've even left Germany or Croatia or wherever they were. And so by the time that they landed in Galveston, they would meet up with their group and the group would, you know, they'd have chipped in all this amount of money and they've got guides and they would have already arranged for mules or horses and wagons and off they go. And they had no idea. No, and a lot of them had never fucking ridden a horse in their life. Much less fired a gun. Much less, you know, they're in a completely foreign area. Like they don't. And they landed in Texas. Most of them heading to Oregon because that. Because that area was the most similar to where they were from in Central Europe. And then, you know, for whatever reason, they didn't. Some didn't get that far. Some maybe never got past Waco or Fort Worth or wherever. And then off they went. And the dangers were from, obviously, rivers and sun exposure, disease. Obviously, there were issues with bandits and the Native American tribes, depending on the time of year that. The era, right? By the 80s, that was largely not an issue. The 1880s. But bandits sure as shit were a real issue. Because there's no rule of law. Right. Right? And we can look at. There's plenty of bad people doing awful shit today. And we got all sorts of laws. Now imagine if those people had the wherewithal to go to a place to where there's no laws. No law and no enforcement. No help. No nothing. You're on your own. You're on your fucking own. And there was a bunch of people. There was a bunch of people. That had been living like that for decades. Just fucking people up. Waiting for you. Just waiting for you. Waiting for you. Here they come. Let's get them. And that was what their thing was. Yeah. So river crossings were incredibly dangerous. And then trying to. If you didn't have an experienced guide, you're fucked. Truly fucked. Because you could pick the wrong way and run out of water. Go wander around in a circle. You get up there on the Great Plains to where it's flat. And you don't know how to read the sun. You don't know where you're going. People go out there and make giant circles. Yeah. I was reading something about that the other day that people tend to, for whatever reason, always walk in a counterclockwise direction when they get lost. And that even if they're left-footed or right-handed or left-handed, it doesn't seem to matter. Humans, when they walk, if they get lost, like in the woods, they walk in circles. And they almost always walk in a counterclockwise direction. And so this article was explaining that if you find yourself lost and you think you're running into the same places, most likely you should veer towards the right. Because you're most likely looping towards the left for whatever reason. People tend to do that. I wonder if there's like a scientific explanation. See if there's. Put that in perplexity. See why people move in a counterclockwise. It didn't come up with anything. Perplexity doesn't know shit. It doesn't have any. I didn't know what I was talking about. woodsmanship. I never understood getting lost in the wilderness. I didn't understand it. Really? I can understand not knowing where you are. But, you know, but I never understood getting lost. Do you. Well, you must have learned how to use a compass early. Yeah, or the sun. Yeah. Right? If the sun comes up in the morning and you're facing it. Right. then behind you is west, to your left is north, to your right is south. Some people have zero experience in the woods, though. When I ask. People. tend to loop, often counterclockwise, when lost because small errors in our internal sense of straight ahead accumulate. And humans also have a subtle left-turn counterclockwise bias whose exact cause is still unclear. Isn't that weird? Wow. That's so weird. In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people tend to walk straight without landmarks, almost always end up curving into large loops instead of moving in a straight line. People told, rather, to walk straight without landmarks. Wow. Wow. This happens. This happens because without internal clues or external clues like the sun, distant objects, or a visible path, small random errors in balance and body feedback build up until the path bends enough to close into a circle. Wow. That's got to be so disheartening. You've been walking for days, and then you pass the same dead tree, and you're like, oh, my God, we walked in a fucking circle. Pedestrians everywhere exhibit a counterclockwise bias. Wired to walk. Counterclockwise. During COVID, scientists studying social distancing noticed that people seem to prefer moving counterclockwise. That's so weird. Hmm. Tendency is fundamentally individual rather than a collective. What does that mean? So every individual does it, I guess, rather than a group of people just following the leader. Pretty wild. So when people get lost. But some people have just zero experience being. in the woods at all, and they just don't know where to go. They're like, where are we? And they just fucking freak out. And then they panic because they think, what's out there? Oh, my God, I'm going to die. Yeah. And you realize that once you're out there, that nature doesn't give a fuck if you make it. No. It doesn't care. At all. No. It's heartless, completely oblivious to your desire to stay alive. It's not interested in what you want to do at all. Nope. Not at all. It's ambivalent. But that's also part of the beauty of it, right? Yeah. When you're out there. Especially if you take yourself seriously. Yeah. You're out there, you're like, oh, I ain't shit. It'll test you. Yeah. When you're writing a thing like 1823, you're doing all this research, and you read the diaries from. You said your great-grandmother? Like great-great. Great-great-grandmother. Did you ever think, like putting some of those letters online so other people can read them no there's plenty of there's there's any number of published books of very similar journals i know but it'd be kind of dope for people to read about your great great grandmother yeah nothing happened right like it sucked it was cold we had freaking whatever weird shit they had for dinner that night and you know so and so was rude and you know it was this and we you know we stopped in this beautiful valley and it was hard to get across the river and i was scared and you know but no attacks no it was pretty uneventful they got lucky it's just it's interesting just as a window into time yes you know well what's interesting really is how well written the journal was right because everyone was very educated yeah was better educated yes yeah yeah and yeah that's that's weird right when you read like civil war letters and you're like why are these guys so fucking smart i have letters from my grandfather who died in world war ii love letters from him to his to my grandmother um years of them because you know he they enlisted in 1941 and and then went off and became a he they flew a i guess it was the b19 a bomber um and uh yeah and wrote all these letters to her um yeah and i have all those and they're just magnificent the way that people would just be so eloquent in a letter to you know your wife yeah my beloved they would write things like that yeah it is weird like the deterioration of our ability to express ourselves the common person's ability to express themselves like you wouldn't have expected that back then i bet if you could tell people about the future go oh you're gonna have the answer to any question on your phone you have a small device in your pocket it's also actually a device that you can use to answer any question on your phone you have a small device in your pocket it's also actually a device that you can use to answer any question on your phone you have a small device in your pocket it's also a device that you can use to answer any question on your phone you have a small device in your pocket it's also a flashlight you're gonna be able to pick that thing up and ask it anything you want and instantaneously it's gonna give you a result but people must be brilliant no no they're half retarded because they didn't learn anything right right you can ask a machine the machines done all the learning yeah just get an answer that you didn't earn right that's the word earn yeah yeah just like equity the problem with equity is you didn't earn it yeah the problem with you didn't earn it yeah the problem with you didn't earn it yeah the problem with having the same results as everybody else when you don't put the same effort people in the 1800s often spent blocks of time typically one to three hours at a stretch on letter writing and heavy correspondence could easily spend several hours most days wow most people treated correspondence as a regular daily or weekly task similar to a modern email block accepting that it would be take a significant chunk of their time wow I'm I mean, how important was the fucking mailman back then? Everything. The guy was everything. Everything. Some dude on a horse with a fucking bag of letters. Nuts. For a quarter. I mean, how much did they charge? A quarter was a lot of money back then. Probably was less than that. Yeah, probably half a penny or something. Well, they did have a half penny. How much do you enjoy writing that kind of a show versus writing a show like Lioness or like Landman? Do you have a favorite or do you like all of them? No, I can't say I have a favorite necessarily. The fun thing about Lioness, which is sort of, I can't say it's ripped from the headlines because I've tried to guess what's going to happen politically and then fictionalize that. And the fact that I've managed to be right has been pretty fucking wild. I thought surely in season two when I said that the cartels had been listed as terrorist organizations, I'm like, this could be my 18-month cancel vacation coming. And then it fucking happened. 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It takes a few minutes to sign up. Chime is a fintech, not a bank, banking services and Chime card provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to Chime.com/disclosures for more details. There's so many different things that you have to be aware of to write the shit that you write. You know, like, is the Harrison Ford one 1923s I was? That one is fascinating too because you got the guy who goes off to Africa. And, you know, and he comes back and you got all these people that are trying to steal land. So it's not totally lawless, but it's on the border of lawlessness. Yeah, you're watching, you know, Montana in the 20s was fascinating. It's a fascinating place because you've got the 20th century of the Industrial Revolution in full swing. And you have washing machines and refrigerators and telephones and electricity. And then you still, you're still traveling by horseback. Yeah. So very, very interesting. So that, that's a really fun thing to explore. That one dude who was the evil rich guy on that show. Oh, yeah. Fuck, he killed it. Tim Dalton. Oh my God, that's right, Tim Dalton, who was Bond at one point in time, right? Yeah, mm-hmm. Crazy. Yes, yeah. My God, does he play a good fucking creep. Oh, it's twisted. So good. Yeah. I forgot that it was Tim Dalton. That's how good it was. Yeah, my wife watched that and looked at me like, how'd you think that shit up, dude? Like, I got the same. I got the side eye for, there's a couple of scenes where she's like, bro, what are you thinking? Yeah, there's a couple of scenes I wondered myself. Yeah. I was like, this is rough. I was like, that's evil. Some of the S and M stuff is like, Jesus Christ. Pretty twisted. But there's people like that in the world. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, I had to, I'll tell you what, my computer, I just assume that the CIA and FBI have like a whole team because the shit I look up when I'm researching, I'm like, how to make a bomb. S and M practice. CIA hot regions in the Middle East and it's all at once, right? Yeah. Yeah. There's no way they're not looking at your phone. No. They're looking at it going, Taylor's writing something new. Look at this. I think anybody that has any influence, they probably look at your shit no matter what anyway, which is also dark. We don't even know how much actual real spying on people is occurring. We're just guessing. No, we don't have any idea. I think. I think within the world of tradecraft, a tremendous amount. Oh yeah. I think within the world of, I mean, within that world, I think. When you're writing that, how difficult is it to really keep your finger on the pulse of what's actually going on with espionage and like what tools they actually have available? Are you making some up? No. I mean, most of the, I mean, I'm sure there is some extremely high tech tradecraft. Going on. Right. For sure. Tracking devices and various things, satellite imagery, facial recognition, all of these things. But a lot of it's also very low tech by it's by design because it's harder to, it's harder to trace. Right. And, and it's a lot of leverage and manipulation. You're either bribing someone with money or blackmailing them. And that's typically those, those are the two tools that, that are being used the most. Um, in tradecraft and, and, and the spy game. Right. you're it's leverage leveraging individuals and they're all doing it everybody right every single and then if you look at some of the and again i'm not getting on any completely apolitical but from a tradecraft standpoint what the massad was able to do with all those fucking cell phones and pagers and shit like you want to talk about play the long game like build this dummy company sell all these get all these devices to all of these people who are your enemy and then start setting them off years later crazy detonate insanity i mean it's genius it really is insanity not endorsing it but just saying no but if the actual act of doing it to look at the the patience and the planning and the risks and and that they were able to execute that is is incredible shocking when you saw that in the news did you think if i wrote that no one fucking buy it dude i do that all the time with the news the maduro rate if i had written that right no one would no right they'd be like that's too simple the fuck out of here that's not how it goes down yeah even the bin laden raid a helicopter crashed yeah yeah yeah the fact that they were able to and i know it wasn't as as smooth as it was led on to be but the fact that they were able to do it and i know it wasn't as smooth as it was led on to be but the fact that no one died not an american in invading the venezuelan military base in the middle of caracas it's fucking insane it seems like it went pretty smooth do you think it went less smooth than they're saying i'm sure that there's elements of like i'm sure right i don't know how the one thing i've learned with all my research into the military is any of these operations there's there's a there's actually a line in in the upcoming line is where someone says did it go smooth smooth and the the guy says well smooth as these things go right because that's because just by the very nature you start sticking a bunch of people in helicopters with guns and you know shit's gonna happen all right um but the fact that there were no casualties that no one was killed no american was killed is incredible yeah it is incredible it's pretty groundbreaking like this is a like a new benchmark for what could be possible in terms of an invasion at least of a third world country it's just shocking the difference in the technology that the united states possessed versus them well and whether or not they were even available that's no new brother that that stuff was available yeah war is going to change very very quickly um with drones ai and drones are going to alter the landscape of war um we're gonna we're getting real close to some terminator shit yeah and i'm not saying that like it's a good thing no um it's a it's it's a very very you talk about adolescence of of us as a as a species we're seeing an adolescence in the teenage years of new a new type of warfare and and when it grows up it is going to be a beast a beast and i've just think about it you can you can you know now they've got drones that are the size of airplanes that can have a payload that is devastating right beyond just simply a predator drone that's got a couple hellfire missiles or whatever it may have um and someone sitting in a connex in the desert in nevada can fly that thing halfway around the world or don't have anyone fly it pre-program it and the thing flies itself and that's you give give the drone a mission and send the drone off to do the mission and it's fully automated yeah and that's some terrifying shit i bet a lot that's a lot of what this uap is too i bet it's experimenting with that type of technology with some sort of a novel propulsion system because they were working on novel propulsion systems way back in the 50s and the 60s they were working on anti-gravity in the 60s i don't think i don't think we're there i don't know i don't think we're there i don't know i don't know where we're at i don't either i don't know where we're at but i'm not convinced i'm not convinced that they haven't done something in fact eric weinstein makes some really interesting um connections between there's a college in upstate new york university in upstate new york that has a very overqualified physics department and it's connected to a hedge fund that does bigger than bernie madoff type numbers and he's like the whole thing stinks to high heaven and he goes and i have a feeling that there's some sort of an undisclosed or a top secret above you know top secret access program that's going on oh i can promise you there's something yeah i've always thought a possible solution to petroleum as far as transportation goes and i wonder why they've never tried it is is using magnetic force right if you have you take a positive and negative charge they're going to come together but if you take a positive and positive or negative negative they're going to i'm no scientist but you know it's going to repel right we've taken magnets and they push each other away well how can how can we not use that if you had a vehicle and the base of it is essentially a positive charge or a negative whatever it takes to make the magnets repel and then your road base was essentially the similarly charged metal wouldn't that wouldn't that make it some mitch wouldn't you have to redo all the roads to make something like that real or put it in the road yeah maybe i mean it certainly could be a potential source of transportation for the future but i think the things that they're doing now probably relates to some sort of anti-gravity propulsion system and um then there was that you know i'm sure you're aware of this all those scientists that went missing or wound up being murdered yeah dude how sketchy is that oh it's a coincidence from los alamos all up there at the nuclear yeah coincidence yeah yeah who knows i mean who knows what the those people are working on and whether or not they made breakthroughs and they don't want other people to know or whether or not they want to stop the breakthrough because they're aligned with whatever the conventional propulsion systems are and they don't want to lose money this thing makes them obsolete they can set back the science for a few years or is it tradecraft is it is it russian or chinese or yep iranian yeah oh sure and that's the other thing that weinstein was saying is like it's really shocking how little these incredibly important scientists are doing and how little scientists are protected yeah they're just driving their volvo to the university and working on top secret yeah and no one's making sure they don't get whacked by china yeah yeah i'd be curious and when they look into that what was it 11 of them in a year 15 over a course of a few years and some of them people are not they're going out this could be coincidence but there's a few of them where it's like okay these people like this lady was specifically working on spacecraft metallurgy this guy was specifically working on cold fusion this guy was specifically like there's a bunch of them where you go okay something's weird something's weird here yeah enough to the fact that the government's looking into it okay there might be something here the justice department's investigating it they're trying to figure out what the connection is and what could have happened but you know it's hard after the fact to try to figure out who did something especially if somebody got hired from another country like they're not going to tell you like how are you going to know you didn't catch them did you not catch them when they killed the guy okay well you're probably yeah yeah yeah it's it's 15. yeah and they're all from that area aren't they los alamos around i don't know i'm not sure i think that's part of the problem it's like there's whenever you have a thing like this where people start looking for connections they can make some connections that aren't necessarily valid and so like let's say if there's 15 let's say 10 of them 10 of them are yeah that means five aren't if you know if that's true that's a lot it's five super brilliant people that got whacked yeah and it's it's interesting that you'd have that many in this specific field in this period of time yeah and and they're not you know you i would think of a scientist as being pretty healthy right and i don't know about that i think a lot of them are just in their own head you know and they're probably not even paying attention to their body did they all disappear different people died from different things and one of one of the weirder ones was this one lady who was uh i think she's the metallurgy lady where she was hiking with her friend and uh they were just hiking together and the friend turned around to talk to her and she was gone and she was just behind her like 30 seconds before they couldn't find her they brought in cadaver dogs they brought in search parties never found her and i think they might have found her body recently see they found i think there was a report a few days ago that they might have found her body i'd be i'd be looking real close at the friend just that's just me that's the guy who writes scripts hey so so me and joe went for a hike i turned around that is gone hey i don't know what i looked everywhere i mean i swear i had just talked to him 30 seconds ago and he's he's just not there no sign of struggle it's weird yeah yeah like a husband and wife go hiking and the lady falls off the cliff they're like hey buddy yeah what the happened you guys arguing can i see your text messages yeah yeah yeah or the one that just fell off the boat oh what happened there i don't want to say it wrong but i think she i think it was out in the bahamas i read about it she was it a cruise ship one no no no it was him and his lady and they're out on a sailboat or something and oh she fell off the side yeah he had to yeah something something weird they're not they're not buying it it goes all the way back to the natalie wood story you ever look into that one oh yeah that's right her and walking and robert wagner on the yeah and robert wagner and her had a big fight apparently and then she just whoops yep not the same person as the metallurgy oh which one is this lady but she was one of the scientists correct uh i believe she was one of the missing scientists she was definitely missing for a year which one is this lady but she was one of the scientists correct i believe she was one of the missing which one was she i mean i don't know what i don't know which ones are what was her specialty does it say what she worked on no administrative assistant yeah i remember this lady yeah the other one was uh her name is reza and the reza one that lady she was the one that has the uh so she served as a director of NASA jet propulsion laboratory and she was in the materials processing group she specialized in burn resistant high strength metal alloys and rocket propulsion metals it wasn't she one that had like a some weird videos was she had made i don't know anyway the whole thing's creepy as fuck wild and she was hiking in the angeles national forest yeah outside of pasadena hmm yeah that could actually should be a fucking mountain lion it could be you know or it could be a lady who's working on top secret rocket propulsion fucking metals yeah like this lady's a problem wasn't there some some town i want to say it's arcadia in california they the the the mayor of that city yeah yeah arcadia yeah she's a chinese spy i would have to think if you're if you've how many people have you recruited that you finally go well fuck it let's try and get the mayor of arcadia we got everybody else yeah they probably like worked her into position to run as mayor you know i mean and then and then with the hopes of she was relatively young right um maybe you go run for a state rep and then you run for congress and be the fucking president there was uh there was a thing in the 70s called ab scam do you remember this yeah where there were all of these politicians a few congressmen some state reps uh and they were all like russian spies or all or at least on the take right right all of them soviet soviet spies did you ever see that show the americans i didn't either but i heard it was great it was all about sleeper cell russian family that was pretending to be normal yeah that's fascinating yeah that's real they did that they really had russian agents pretending to be american citizens oh i wouldn't say head i would say have oh yeah no yeah i think you're right yeah and chinese yeah for sure for sure 100 yeah no plenty of them 100 yeah boy how many israeli agents are in hezbollah or in hamas like probably or in the irgc yeah probably they probably got a bunch of those guys in there 100 yeah it's just wild fucking it's tradecraft man that's a fucking whole other thing how hard is it to write about that stuff and like get it right to get it accurate i mean you i don't know you you speculate a lot and you look at at the past right because there's been enough it's funny because when they get caught never it's never that big a deal like there are always some uh it doesn't for whatever reason then the news doesn't there's we could pull it up there's been any number of chinese scientists over here and they were stealing this and they call them doing this it happens all the time um see the ones that got caught trying to bring in bio they're trying to bring in what were they trying to bring in diseases or something something i was looking there's another one in vegas recently but it's like they have these bio labs that are like being run out of like an apartment or something ccp linked bio labs in american soil exposes major bio security gaps policymakers must act to improve oversight and biological research activity wasn't there a guy that got busted that was an israeli agent and he was like i don't know what to do with it i don't know what to do with it and he got released and he took a one i think was in vegas yeah pull that up that's the one in vegas yeah so this guy he had all these fucking diseases in his garage 1200 samples conclusion the ep is conclusion of the fbi lab that the community could not be harmed by what was contained in that lab what finding possible biological laboratory in a garage inside investigators found refrigerators with vials containing unknown liquids police said in the immediate aftermath the home is also operated as an unlicensed short-term rental what is this fucking guy doing why is so the question let's go up up yeah so the question is why does somebody have these materials in a private residence it's not a doctor not a lab not a licensed medical facility of any sort and then homeboy got released yeah but check out the names on some of the vials oh boy they located pathogen labeled containers with labels such as dengue fever hiv and malaria along with a thousand mice or according to a federal report federal government never tested the items and the cdc only made its determination based on the labeling what what the fuck so in that case chinese citizen david he faces federal charges for allegedly manufacturing and distributing misbranded medical devices charges he does not face charges connected to the las vegas raid and a trial in california was scheduled for april what the fuck just a bunch of vials of hiv and aids and fucking dengue fever and malaria no worries jesus normal so what was the israeli guy the guy who owned the lab there was a like an israeli guy who they caught who owned and then they released him and he went back to israel and everybody's like hey what that's the same case i think it says feds dropped case against a man arrested in las vegas biolab investigation what's his name ori solomon oh ori what were you doing ori ori why do you have the hiv ori there he is feds dropped case against man arrested in las vegas biolab investigation yeah i mean why investigate let it go guys no big deal yeah he's only charged with illegal possession of a firearm in nevada his immigration status precluded him from owning or possessing a gun well listen if he doesn't have a gun how the fuck is he gonna defend all his malaria people try to steal malaria bro gotta be careful oh boy yeah this doesn't seems like someone made that gun there's too much fucking shit in the world to pay attention to and too much of it is so disheartening the more you look into it the more like is it all fucked is the whole world fucked like what is going on and and my guess is because there are so many different two things right there's so many different there's no secrets with the internet and social media and phones shit's getting out but it's also getting out at such a volume that none of it seems to have an impact right right right so much right think about that in the 1990s right they're talking about that on nightline and this and that and meet the press and chinese spy this is israeli you know uh-huh that's news but now it's just another the news cycles of flood it's like you you you drop a rose petal in the river while floods going by like it's gone yeah it's here it's gone and it's a sensory overload and and and people are tuning it all out they're tuning it all out also because nothing ever gets done nothing happens and the more people like that get released the more people like they throw their hands in there they'd rather just watch sports yeah yeah just forget about it yeah well i can't believe simon schuster didn't send you my book yeah well i don't know what happened but i'll listen to it on audio tape i don't know what happened but i'll listen to it on audio tape i'm glad you did the audio tape though yeah that's important yeah pull up the you're gonna fucking love it it's it's oddly entertaining and informative how did you have the time to write a book so what you're writing 150 different tv shows so so you know what it is do you know anything about it no pull it up i just want to i'm going to try and i don't want to tell you what it's called i just want you to see the title how to not die in prison so here's the so so here's the deal um so when i lived in l.a. there was a gym on Beverly Boulevard right at like Beverly and Sweetser and everybody called it buns on Beverly because they had all the the the treadmills kind of right up there and all the girls are there and if you get stuck in traffic you're staring at all their asses that was my gym so me and a buddy of mine shared an apartment together and we jogged down there work out every day and there was this dude that showed up and started working out in there and this dude was jacked but different than like the West Hollywood fit like this fucker was yoked and had all these crazy tattoos on him and we became kind of like friendly and uh and ended up kind of becoming friends and his name's Tom Nelson and one day I'm like so uh what have you been doing he goes well you know I'm gonna start a personal I'm gonna start personal training here I was working over at the vitamin shop guy's like in his 40s I'm like vitamin shop in your 40s that's kind of weird and I said yeah um um have you always lived in uh California it's like well I've been here for 19 years 20 years yeah yeah I said where are you from somewhere in the southeast I said you always live in LA goes well no I just got to LA see I've been in prison I said oh how long 17 years I said oh and I didn't ask anything else right he does become a personal trainer and I'd see him over one day we have lunch and we're and then I'm like what tell me the deal he's like oh I was a criminal dude like a criminal like a real criminal like biggest drug dealer and in Hollywood and armed robbery and ran over a DEA agent like I was a criminal but now I've you know when I was in I I discovered you know Fitness I started working out and I'm like when I get out I'm gonna you know he got himself in good shape I'm gonna start this is my passion I'm gonna do this so he was a trainer there for a while and then he opened his own personal training gym and uh and I would go work out over there and hang out with him he's a cool dude and uh and it became the biggest private training gym in independent in Hollywood so I go off and I I uh you know I start writing and uh I'm shooting Yellowstone and he reaches out and he goes hey I wrote a movie about my life I'm gonna send it to you so he sends it to me and I read it and it's actually pretty good um but it's sort of a fun 90s kind of they don't make movies like this anymore it's like we it's The Rock but we're celebrating the you know the guy the criminal but it was but it was good I said hey I'll pass it on to some producers and but nothing ever happened with it anyway so covid happens I'm stuck up on this Ranch in Montana and I call him and I say Tom where do you get your gym equipment from because I need to build a gym because we can't go to a gym I can't leave the Ranch covid restrictions the whole cast is stuck on that Ranch and and he said they shut my gym down dude so I mean I'll sell you anything you want so I I sent a flatbed trailer to LA and picked up a pile of gym equipment from him and didn't hear from him again he calls me maybe 18 months ago two years and I and I answer him and he's like hey man I'm in a bad way I'm like what's the deal he goes I got a single father I got a five-year-old kid I got colon cancer I'm dying and I don't I'm I'm tapped out dude I'm a 60 year old fella and I can't get a job I can't do anything is there any work on your movies or or anything that I could do and I said well first colon cancer how bad like what stage what's this he goes I don't know they saw it on an x-ray and diagnosed me and I said well let's deal with that first so I fly him to Texas where I know people and I get him in and he sees a doctor and fortunately the mass wasn't cancer so they they help him out do the surgery get that done and then I say well I mean I get you a job in a movie but it doesn't pay very good in the hours or and you've got a five-year-old daughter I mean you you know to just be a production assistant or something that's not gonna pay enough to off it's it's not a great that's not a plan right because you think you could like just spot me for a few months while I try and figure out and I said I have a hundred percent failure rate of loaning money to friends like it doesn't work right I'm not a bank and and buying you 90 days ain't gonna help so but let me think let me think of something and so it doesn't take me very long and I'm and I'm thinking here's a guy who's been 17 years in prison and you know what I've never read I've never read a how to not die a travel guide to prison so I call him back and I go I got it Tom we're gonna write a book about my life kind of we're gonna write a travel guide to prison for the accidental inmate right somebody who up and they end up and they don't know how to navigate this place he was a travel guide I said I'm going to send you so I bought a bunch of Lonely Planet travel guide to Thailand and Mexico and and I said look at these right it breaks it down it tells you an overview of the country then it gives you a glossary of the terms they teach you the language they talk about the food they talk about where you stay they talk about navigating the country we're going to do that for for prison and he goes I'm in I said great I'm going to write all the intros I'll build the structure and and walk you through it and you're gonna so it's literally a travel guide to prison and it walks you through day one how to navigate the yard being processed in the food the commissary the gangs the diseases prison riots how to get a job in there how to make a shiv how to do everything whoa it's a it is a tour guide to prison how many pages a couple hundred it sounds awesome I'm gonna guess 99 of the people who do read it the one thing it'll do is tell you you don't ever want to go there that's for sure right and typically if someone's going there I even say in the intro I'm like if you're if you're buying this book because you're going to prison finish the book before you get to prison do not bring this book with you to prison or you'll die on day one so leave the book at home but yeah so so then we did I took the we we wrote three chapters of it I took it out um and Simon Schuster read it flipped and me and Tom got a book deal so that's awesome so he you know he he was able to sit with me and we wrote it and he was able to take care of his kid and that's very cool yeah good good for you man for doing that that's really awesome that you did that yeah I know you're busy like you having another project on your plate not not fun probably that's awesome that one was a lot of fun right yeah but not fun to take something else on I mean I'm sure yeah but it was it was it was a very entertaining diversion from you know from my other you know I can about my other job right about something on Landman or whatever and then you know I'm going to sit down and oh we're writing about smallpox today okay there's there's some perspective it's not it's not quite so bad that Billy Bob is an hour late to work which he's never an hour late to work but but you get my point yeah yeah it's a sobering thing it's a it's it's a that's a broken system you want to talk about a broken system yeah the prison Alabama solution on you know the guy who did that documentary on Alabama prison system it's heartbreaking man heartbreaking I used to be roommates with the guy that edited all of those locked up he would go and film those locked up remember those yeah go to Folsom and Corcoran and all these prisons just dude it's tell rough and and not designed to rehabilitate right at all it's an institution that guarantees you're a criminal when you come out that's what you'll be if you weren't a criminal when you went in which you clearly committed a crime and got convicted but you're gonna be a criminal when you come out like the people the guys like Tom who I mean there's an 80 something percent recidivism right in the U.S so for a guy to get out of prison and not go back to prison the odds are four to one against you like it's at least yeah it's probably higher than that right I think it's 80 something 80 something percent 86 80 yeah yeah it's brutal brutal well I'm glad you wrote it yeah I'll read it I promise listen listen to it I'll listen to it in the sauna there you go uh thanks for everything man thanks for all the awesome shows it's been great watching them dude thanks for watching you're the man yeah appreciate you appreciate the guy we have time to talk about one more thing sure that UFC 250. oh man yeah Justin Gaethje dude yeah I just had him on yeah I know I know it's incredible I saw him remember when I bumped into you at that fight in Vegas that's the first time I'd seen him live and I go to a bunch of prize fights I love boxing and I'm watching that guy if he had decided to be a professional boxer he would his striking is is that level like that dude he went to work on that guy now he's a oh man I'm glad he's a MMA fighter because he started out as an all-american wrestler and division one it's like he's a just a great athlete all across the board and just his particular style of aggression is so well suited for mma oh yeah it's just it's shocking that he's that good a striker and he was a wrestler i know he's he's just a wild motherfucker like across the board but for him to pull that off the way he did at the white house was nuts i mean he's some books had him six to one underdog and ilia tapora is so fucking good yeah he's so good and he had him in sick trouble in that second round let's say i watched it again yesterday the second round was brutal i mean ilia was just destroying his liver yeah almost put him down yeah but even in the second round justin's he still bloodied ilia up his face was busted up like he was getting the most damage to ilia's face and that was a giant factor in the fight because i don't know what the accuracy of these reports are but what's being reported is that he had two broken orbital bones and a broken nose so both his eyes were broken and his nose was broken and justin was here a couple days later and he looked great it's just nuts it's just like he's very deceptively good at rolling with shots and you know he's fucking durable as hell and just very clever very clever and how he sets things up and where he finds openings and one of the things he kept getting off is this he does like he does a collar tie into an uppercut and he got that off multiple shots he did that with fazeev too he's really good with that move he's a beast man i'm just so happy for him to win i'm you know i'm a giant ilia taporia fan as well and i think he'll be back better than ever and uh i think sometimes a loss is like one of the most important things a fighter can ever have because they realize like you can be beat and you need to be able to win and you need to be able to win and you need to be able to win and you need to know that you're a human you need to know that you can't just throw caution to the wind sometimes you just engage in these wild scraps sometimes you have to be a little bit more tactical and sometimes you got to realize like you can't take everybody out and and that's the case with justin they couldn't take him out and he almost did in the second round got real fucking close real close but you know that that freaking justin he he can time that transfer of power to the right at the end of the punch and just his hands are so heavy yeah everybody says that too everybody who he's fought has said he's one of the hardest guys that that's ever hit them including khabib who's you know one of the all-time greats said justin hit him harder than anybody yeah he's a fucking animal yeah it was impressive and the fight was like to be there at the white house while that was going on and to have justin so happy like there's something about a guy winning who's an underdog that is just so fucking inspiring he didn't look like an underdog that night no he didn't not after second round he didn't especially the third once the third rolled around he dropped him and then he he uh got a head and arm and snatched him down to the ground was like holy shit man he's he's fucking dominating him this is crazy yeah it was wild wild watch it was wild it was awesome though it was fantastic should have been there live man that would have been a good one oh it was crazy it was crazy to be there live it just felt surreal i mean they had to fly over they all saw that eight jets come shooting over bro they were like separated by like from each other it's i don't know how the fuck those guys do that it was incredible incredible incredible yeah that was awesome thanks brother once again the book is called how to not die in prison yeah and uh available now audiobook everything yep thank 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