#2514 - Cameron Hanes

Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. We don't have camera hands. We can use headphones or not. We don't need them. Okay. Whatever you think. We have to wear your sweet hat. I don't want to fuck it up. There you go. Just got it. Look, we got an American flag. We got a skull. We got camo. What the fuck else do you want? Are you American or not? Look at this. Oh, nice, dude. You're all in for 250, the 250th anniversary. It's also the only socks I brought on this trip somehow, so I wear them every day now. You only brought one pair or one style? No. One pair of socks and no underwear. Oh, God. I've done that before. We have to wash your socks in the sink with shampoo, with hotel shampoo. Yeah. And then wear them when they're wet. And this, like I went on a run here. It is muggy. Oh, yeah, baby. I sweated my ass off. That's the fear of this weekend at the UFC. Yeah. Because it's East Coast. It gets very muggy. Yeah, for sure. And D.C. So these guys are all working out outside right now. I saw a video of Eamon Zahabi working out outside and Ilya Teporia is working out outside. And, you know, you have to feel that heavy, heavy air. Air. It changes things. Oh, yeah, man. I remember when I was a kid, I went to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. I see those thunderstorms, dude. Oh, yeah. We're fucked. Fuck. There is a canopy that's over the cage. They put a canopy over the cage. Well, if lightning hits that, that's not good. Well, if it hits the canopy, I think we're okay. I mean. I think I'm more worried about a terrorist attack than I am a fucking lightning. Yeah. No, that's true. But I probably should be more worried about lightning. I actually have friends that have been hit by lightning. We do. Remy. Remy got hit by lightning. Yeah, for sure. So I know. That was full. I don't know anybody who's been hit by a terrorist attack. I almost got hit the other day, I think. By lightning? Yeah, we had crazy storms here, you know. Were you playing golf? No, but I was outside. Oh, thank you. I thought the storm was over, and I was out on my balcony, and I was like, wow, this is cool. Oh, that's not a good spot to be. And then one hit. I'm 500 feet in the sky. I'm already up there. And then it hit, and I started hearing sizzling near me. I'm like, holy shit, I gotta get inside. Like electricity sizzling? I was like, what the fuck is that? Where is it sizzling? Oh, my God, that's so scary. That's such a fucked up way to go. Do you ever see that one video where the guy is walking down the street, and he gets hit by lightning? He wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further, he's recovering, and he gets hit again. Dude got hit by lightning twice. Twice. And like, I don't know if it's time lapse, or I don't know how long he was out for. Because it's like one of those ring cams that catches him. This guy got fucking cooked twice. You know you're having a bad day. I forget what Remy said happened to him after he got hit, but I remember his hearing was fucked up for a long time or something. I can imagine. Something like that. We do the mountains back home, like run them. We were up on Diamond Peak, me and Tanner, last year. And a storm, you know, kind of like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever. It wasn't supposed to be a storm. It wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling. And you're like, God, is that coming this way? And it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think lightning can hit from 10 miles away. Really? Yes. It can go sideways. So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right? Well, me and Tanner were up there, and we still wanted to get to Summit and then bomb off. Well, we're up there, and he goes, Dad, he goes, watch. And we had trekking poles. And he had them like this. And they were like ticking, like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. From electricity in the air? Electricity was in his trekking poles. Then I said, let's get the fuck off this thing. And so we bombed off, and there's these kids down that were like, they said, should we go up? And I said, I'd wait a little bit. And the girl's hair was standing up. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. Yeah, it is nuts. Fuck that. Yeah, so they— This guy died in Florida last year. They call blue sky lightning. What? Yeah, it can—it jumped from several miles away. Whoa. He was just standing on the beach. There was a blue sky above. Storm was in a year then. Yeah, and I think it can go— Whoa. I know I looked it up after that, because I was like, well, I need to know. I'm in the mountains all the time. His death, nonetheless, serves a grim reminder. Florida led the U.S. in both lightning fatalities, 12, and strikes per square mile, 76. Holy shit. By the way, did you see that guy in Florida? That he was running from the cops, and he got killed by an alligator? No. Did you see that one? Uh-uh. Dude, it's body cam footage. The cops got the gun out, and he's like, stop, stop, stop. The guy's running. He's going in the water, and all of a sudden, boom. I'd rather get shot. I'd rather get shot. I'd rather get shot than get killed by a fucking dinosaur. Oh, my God. If you get shot, the bullet's going to hurt like fuck. You're going to be in shock. You're going to realize you're bleeding out. You're going to have to say, I wish I was a better person. I'm going to miss my family. But that fucking alligator's going to take a while to kill you. It's going to roll with you. It's going to drag you under the water. You're going to realize you can't get free. You're going to try to poke its eyes. It's not going to work. Fuck. It's going to be a miserable existence until it's over. Did you see that one video of a dude? He got attacked by an alligator, lost his arm, so he bit his fucking arm off, and he made his way back home. They're talking to him. Right when he got out of the swamp. And he got one arm. And he looked like there's not a chance in hell he was sober during any of this experience. He looked like he had been methed up since the fucking 12th grade. Oh, my God. Yeah, this is the dude. He just fucking lost his stump. Yeah, that's where I was. He wandered for three fucking days with one arm. Oh, my God. But first of all, how do you not bleed out? I know. That's what I was going to say. Did you keep pressure on that thing? Yeah, we can listen to it here. What did he say? What was he saying? What was he saying? On my right-hand side, so I went to swim, and she got my forearm, so I grabbed her like this, and like she's trying to roll, but she snapped her head, so my arm went backwards like this completely. He says he fought for his life. She drug me under three times. I like how that area comes in so important. I can just imagine them in an editing bay. Should I do that again? Is that good? No. I know. Yeah, we got that part with the no arm. I went in and assumed that. He fucking wandered through alligator and snake-infested swamp for three fucking days. Thanks for telling us what we need to be believing here. You know, when I went alligator hunting out there a few years ago, you know, that alligator that we shot that's in the front? Bro, they're everywhere. Yeah. If you ever want to come, it's really fun. I'd like to. I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting, but they need to be killed. Yeah. They're vastly overpopulated. But you can't do a bow? You can, but it's. Yeah. Well, that's like everything. It's pretty sketchy, but this, you know. That's a grizzly hunt. I know Dudley's killed alligators with a bow in Florida. Yeah. You just got to catch them in the right spot. You got to basically hit them like right behind the head. Yeah. And I think you'd probably hit them with a fixed blade, right? Yeah, for sure. Like an iron will or something? There's a. You got to brain them. Yeah. So there's like that bump back there, then it's like halfway in between the eye and the bump, something like that. So you want to be like 20 yards. Yeah. It's going to be close. You can just fucking X it right in there. For sure. The good thing about that, if you fuck up and just kind of ricochet, it's going to be fine. You know what I mean? It's like. It's not making. If you go for the lungs and miss, hit it in the stomach, that's not good. Right. It's going to be pretty sick and miserable death, but. It'd probably still live. Those fucking things are such monsters. They're such monsters. I was saying, you know, we've killed bear. Kip killed a bear up at the rivets with three legs. Oh, yeah. And I'm just like, how? One of them will eat the other one's leg. Yeah. They'll bite their fucking legs off. But, like, how do you, you know. How do you survive? Yeah, we have to get antibiotics for, like, a hangnail. I think our whole biome is probably all fucked up from washing it all the time. Yeah, probably. I mean, it completely makes sense, right? It's like. Yeah. Animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections like we do, unless they're farm animals. Right. Or, like, occasionally. Well, it happens all the time in the rut, right? Like, when you're dressing an animal. You find all these holes in the side of it where they're, like, pussy. I remember one of the elk that we shot at Tohon had his back leg was just filled with pus. Like, the whole back. It was all pus. Because he had gotten stabbed. It's usually in that back. Because usually they turn because they know they're getting their ass kicked. And so it's in their hindquarter. It's like the dominant bull gets a jab in before they go. And you've seen those Tohon bulls, those 1,100-pound fuckers. Imagine one of those stabbing you in the head. No. And also. 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And then one of them gets hit with an arrow. They barely react. No. That'd be like, what? What was that? Fly landed on me? It's crazy. They're just so, just locked into war. Especially if you like get in between the ribs and don't hit anything. Right. Just slices right through. Just like that bull would be like, ow! Wait, what? What was that? Nothing? And all of a sudden, woo, I'm feeling woozy. Yeah. And then it's over. Hey, did you find that video? See if you can find the video of the guy with the body cam footage getting killed by the alligator. It wasn't very good. Like, it's hard to see it. You can see it a little bit, though. I just think it's exciting. It's just. You love watching chaos online. I don't know why, but I do. Put the headphones on there. Let's see what. I like the music. Okay. So here it is. The cop's got his gun out. Oh, this isn't a very good. Yeah. See, the cop's got his gun out. Yeah. And he's like trying to think of what to do and this dude's getting jacked. Oh, there goes the alligator to him. Yeah. Woo, shit. Yeah. Oh, did you see that line of the alligator? Yeah, back that up a little bit so you can see it. So the dude's trying to swim away. And look at the alligator. Boom! That's a wrap, son. Did he put his hands up here? I don't think so. I think he just. Like right there? Back it up a little bit more so you see the guy swimming away. What's that? It's a different version. Another same lady narrating. That's when a gator slammed right towards him. And that's not good. And the gator bit him in both of his arms. I mean, it was a full-on attack. It was a full-on attack. Like as if, what, a halfway attack? No, they were fine. It's a fucking dinosaur. Look at this. There was another story in Florida a few years back where a guy was running from the cops. I think it was a high-speed chase. Gets to a bridge. Stops the car. Throws it in park. Jumps off the bridge. Boom, alligator gets him. Literally like landed right on a fucking alligator. But that's the reality of the water. All the fresh water. All the fresh water in Florida is filled with alligators. They have to check Disneyland all the time. Or Disney World. They have to check it all the time. Remember a little kid got killed there a few years ago? Imagine you take your kid to fucking Disney World and it gets killed by a dinosaur. Rough. And also, it's like, you know how, I don't know, you have dogs, but are they ever around when you're eating? And like something falls on the ground. They're always checking the ground. Well, that's what alligators do in the water. They're just sitting there just chilling. They're just going out. They hear a little splash. They're like, oh, like a dog. Was that a crumb hitting the floor at the dinner table? Yeah, exactly. So they're just over there and they'll just eat whatever hit the water. Especially if something seems like it's struggling. Yeah. Oh, I got you. They're such opportunists. Yeah. So they're just chilling, just waiting for shit to hit the water, which is, that's what fishing is too. You know, you see the flies hatching. You try to match it, try to put it on there. And they're like, okay, got one to hit the water. Right. But yeah, alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity. And every once in a while, something comes off a bridge and, hey, big meal. And it's really shocking how many of them there are in the Everglades. It's like, you know, I went, I guess it was three years ago. And when we were there, it's like everywhere you look, you have to look for an alligator. It's like nothing I've ever seen. I thought it'd be hard to find them. I thought, like, we'd go out there, you know, you look around, you probably glass a little, see eyeballs pop up. No, they're fucking all over the water. Like, how many would you see? We saw 15, 20, maybe more. Just chilling. Maybe 30. You see, like, some movement on the water and then they dunk under. And you're in the fucking swamp, man. It's sketchy as shit. Yeah, never done it. It's very weird. It's very weird because you're like, this is a mess. Yeah. Like, the feeling that you get there, like, oh, this is infested. Like, you're infested by dinosaurs. And then, meanwhile, you go an hour and a half later, you're in Miami having a steak, drinking an iced Pinot Noir. You think you're in civilization. You're fucking a half a day's drive from monsters. An infested jungle filled with monsters. And imagine if you weren't in a boat. Like, what if you were to somehow, something happened to the boat? Oh, you're fucked. Yeah. What would you do if, like, the boat sank out there? Well, we weren't in a boat. Oh, okay. We drove out. We were with guides and we drove out in trucks. Okay. And they know, like, where the lake areas are, where the, you know. You know, it's very dense out there. It's very thick. It's just hot and muggy. And these fuckers just, you see them pop up. You see the eyeballs pop up. You see some motion. But you fucking see them everywhere. Yeah. And then you look around at how big the Everglades is. Yeah. And you go, how many of them are out here? Yeah. Millions. Because it's not like we found the honey spot. Right. It's like the whole Everglades. And they're, when I was a kid, you know, I lived down there in Florida when I was 11. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was 11 years old, from 11 to 13. I lived in Gainesville. And there was alligators back then, but they were endangered. And so you weren't allowed to kill them. And so they would kill people's dogs and shit. I remember this lady in my neighborhood, her dog got jacked. She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it just snatched her dog and took it away. Jeez. This is like the late 70s. And we were feeding them marshmallows. So you'd go to the dock and you'd throw marshmallows and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows. And it was, you know, it was weird. Yeah. It's kind of cool that they're there. It freaks you out a little bit, but they weren't dangerous. Right. Cut to all these years later. Now, because no one hunted them, because they basically were making shoes out of them back in the day. And they almost hunted them to extinction. And they should probably start that again. Yeah. We need to bring alligator shoes back. Something needs to happen. Like back in like the 70s, like that was the cool shoes. Like in the pool halls where I used to play pool, like the old guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up. He had his gaiters on. He looked good. He had a nice suit. His gaiters. I got gaiter boots. Alligator shoes. Lucchese. Yeah. Yeah. Gaiter boots seem to be a different thing because it kind of almost makes sense because like you get boots that are made out of like snakeskin and ostrich and like that's kind of a cowboy boot thing. But alligator dress shoes, you got your gaiters on, like very hard to get. Yeah. Polish it nice. That's Ric Flair. Black. Oh, yeah. That's right. That's right. I love that. Bro, I got to apologize to Ric Flair. He got scammed. So some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast and that he was going to come on the podcast. Oh. I think Tim Dillon, this happened with him too. It didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're going to have you come on a podcast, but they need your bank information. Yeah. They'll pay you. Sometimes it's like 3,000 bucks. Right. Because I've got those too. And what it really is, is they're just going to empty your bank account. And it's just a scam. So if you get an email like that from me, it's not real. Sorry, Ric Flair. So Ric Flair, I don't know if he lost his money, but Tim Dillon, they tried to get him on Amy Poehler Show. So that's the scam. The scam was they reached out to. He talked about it on his podcast. Yeah. The scammer reached out, said, "I'm representing the Amy Poehler Show. We would love to have you on." And he was like, "That doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Poehler. I don't think I'm a good guest." Yeah. He was like, "I don't think this is real." Set this up. Yeah. And then it says, "We need your bank account information." And so many people just don't think about it or they're boomers or. Well, they make it seem legit because I know Pat McAfee. I got an email from them about coming on the show. And I'd been kind of communicating with some of those guys before. And so I'm like, "Maybe." I mean, for me, it's like a big deal. like a big deal, like ESPN and Pat McAfee. He's like, to me, he reminds me of you. kind of does what says whatever he wants does he's free if the bosses say whatever he's like fuck off i just love that unfiltered like true thoughts and he's a guy that's got fuck you money that says fuck you that's what i love it's just it's beautiful so i mean i celebrate that's that's a you know first amendment in his glory right there and he seems like a genuine good yeah yeah i don't know him but it's i don't know him either but when you hear a guy talk enough yeah yeah you can assume or you can like put the pieces of the puzzle together but and they've wore my stuff on there so i'm like oh maybe this is real right and so the guy i asked uh he's just a a.o uh he's just a great guy but he uh he said no it's not not legit but they had me because it was like it almost seemed real fight night is here title shots debut killers and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet and only draft kings has you fight night is here title shots debut killers and the rising contender nobody's talking about every step of the way the draft kings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are no matter where you're watching you're always connected and in the game with one app new draft king customers sign up with the code rogan spend five bucks to get 200 in rewards within 21 days that's code rogan in partnership with draft kings the crown is yours bet with dk sportsbook gambling problem call 1-800 gambler 1-800 my reset new york call 877-8-hope-and-wire text hope and why connecticut call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org on behalf of boot hill casino in kansas that text pass through may apply in illinois 21 and over void in ontario event contract trading with draft kings predictions involves risk of loss sportsbook bonus bets expire in seven days fifty dollars in predictions dollars issued weekly for three weeks expire in one year redeem one non-withdrawable reward availability varies predictions offer void in new york and june twenty eight terms of dk and g dot co slash audio yes somebody asked me like a you know they said will they said uh. can you do anything about it unfortunately i can't but there's nothing you could do other than tell people it's a scam i don't want to tell you how i get gas i don't want to like give up the process but uh. i have a guy and i have this guy reach out to people and you know i i don't want to talk too much about it cuz i don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's how they do it but i hear yeah email asking for your bank account information it's not me now it's probably not anna ferris or amy poller or tim dillon or any of those other people it's all bullshit now this scumbags out there unfortunately if you say you have some alchemy you'll share that might be real nope alas i share with friends and family that's it i'm not giving it out to weirdos but uh. you bring in some bear meat i know and uh. dude you're i said you're in trouble i know we got got a lot of notes we got notes i got i got shit we're going to discuss today they're like i had a scientist on yesterday he had less notes less i know i'm i'm ready we had some first of all before we go any further what's going on with your tooth why you got a gold tooth i love it yeah it's uh. well it was it's kind of a joke but i've been like for years obsessed with like perfect teeth right that's a adam green shoes always bust your balls you know i did like the the white strips and all this other shit and like i always cared about what would just probably care too much so now i don't care what i look like but um. what what changed I don't know. I've just like been playing the game too long. Now it's just like, I'm just done. And the game's not over. Unfortunately, even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore, game still goes on. So it's like, I'm still part of it. But anyway, I was getting this. Okay, long story short. I had, I broke this in high school. So I had a fake tooth since high school. And yeah, this is like long story, kissing this girl, basketball hit me back in the head, broke the tooth. Anyway. You broke the teeth on her teeth? Yeah. So she had pieces of teeth in her lip. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. It was Jack Devereaux did that. But anyway, we, so I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it. Finally found one that looked good. Well, I go in there. I hadn't been in the dentist in forever because I just hate going. And they said, oh, you got a cavity under that, whatever, composite is what it was called. And I'm like, okay, cool. So we got to take it off, fix the cavity. And you get a whole nother one. And I'm like, whatever. So I go back in there and next, next appointment, they take it off, no cavity. But now I just have this like whittled down regular tooth, just like a, like a post of a tooth. So because they removed the cavity? Because there was no cavity. There was no cavity. Jesus Christ. They thought on the x-ray there was. So they had the, anyway, the cap or the composites gone. So they said, well, you need to go and match the color of your teeth for your new fake tooth. And in Springfield, swing by this Springfield, whatever they do there for, for dentistry. So I go in there and they said, the girl there goes, hey, my husband, Nate, makes some really cool gold teeth. He does a really good job. Do you want a gold one? And I was like, wait. And so she's like, we'll do a white one too. But a gold one might just be fun. And then I'm like, yeah, it'd be fun. So I told Trace, I'm just going to do it just a day or two. So this has been months now. You're going to keep it? I don't know. I kind of like it. I kind of like it too. I kind of like it. It's like everybody, you know, everybody's got regular teeth. Nobody's got gold teeth. Not anymore. It was a thing back in the day. Remember Mike Tyson had a gold tooth for a while. Well, this is like my savings account because I figure that I'm going to lose everything because I'm such a fuck up, but I'll still have this. I can sell that. Just pull that sucker out and you can buy a cheeseburger. Yeah. If I get in a bind, right? It's like, hey, well, I got this. I have one crown. I have one fake tooth back here. I cracked one of my molars. I had a root. Now. And then, um, it, like, so then they had to put like a crown on it and then it cracked. Yeah. And so now I got to get another one because I got a little piece of it missing. I think I'm going to get a gold one. Nice. Get a gold one right here. Do it. Do it. I'm going to. Now you're inspired me. Also, it's in the back, so you won't see it all the time until I, until I give you a big cheese. Yeah. Well. I'm going to get it. I'm copying you. When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile. So that'll, when people see it, that'll be fun. Fortunately, I laugh a lot. I know. I live a happy life. Yeah, you do. You're, you're crushing it lately. Oh, it's just keep, keep your foot on the gas. It's just same old stuff, right? Just keep going. I can't believe, I look at your guests and it's just like nonstop, dude. It's like, it's, people see like all your success. You'd think most people would be like, okay, I'm good. I'll, your foot off the gas. You don't. No. You keep, I mean, you, you work your ass off. Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do. And very few human beings get this opportunity. And I feel insanely fortunate and also very responsible. Like I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know people are addicted to it. They love it. They want the variety. They want scientists. They want guys like you. They want athletes and fighters. They want all this shit. They want to hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives. And it's a huge obligation, you know, and I feel like connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to. I talk to them all the time. I don't want to say, but I feel it, I know it, and I'm dedicated. So I just keep my foot on the gas. I never, I never say, oh, I can't believe I have to do this. Oh, I can't believe I have to show up. I just, yeah, I always try to reset every day and go, God, I'm so lucky. It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not like make the most out of it. Because I know that it's like very few humans. It's like very few human beings in the world. Well, I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always gone like back and forth. I've had it for like six years now. Yeah. Six or seven, might be seven years now. And it's like, I'm not, I'm not keeping my foot off the gas. No. I'm going to do exactly what I'm doing. I'm going to do it my best. I'm going to keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off. That's like people have said, like with bow hunting and stuff, like if you, you know, you work. You're ass off to get this place where you're respected. Right. And then there's going to be people that want your position. And like with your attitude, my attitude too is like fucking come get it. Yeah. Come try to take it. Cause I remember I'm working my ass off still. We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude. This dude was, we were all just fucking around. I really even forget who it was cause it didn't matter. And he said, yeah. And after that, I'm going to challenge you to a race and you go, good luck with that. It was so cold. You go, yeah. You didn't even remotely take it seriously. It was like a five-year-old saying they're going to kick my ass. Like, okay, good luck with that. Yeah. I mean, you get, you get confident when it's something you do. Yeah. Further down the line than anybody. Yeah. And so if you're going to take my spot. Right. I mean, it's been a grind, dude. It's 40 years. Yeah. The whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's. On their own little journey and you could look at it in terms of, I'm going to take that guy's spot and maybe that's your motivation and that's cool and all that, but there's a negative attached to that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are, you're wasting energy. I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true. Like you're that energy instead should be. be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme limits just and excelling at whatever it is whatever it's fucking playing guitar or doing stand-up comedy you should look at those people like wow what are they doing that i can do to make myself more successful or better or what where where can i get to a point how can i get to a point where i'm like them but most people don't do that most people like fuck that guy that guy fucking sucks this sucks and fucking he's a pussy and he's a this and he's using steroids and he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs and it's there's always going to be people like that and i'm telling my message to the haters i was a hater when i was a kid i was 100 a hater 100 like all the other people like when i was fighting everybody else was a pussy you that guy's i'm gonna fuck that guy up he's got nothing i could never celebrate people even like national champions people with the right i couldn't celebrate them right it's a waste it's a waste of energy yeah and you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it it's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find something that doesn't them you know fuck that guy fuck this and fuck that it's a waste of energy you have to you have to be selfish with your energy your energy is very critical it's everything in life yeah everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy and for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego driven direction just because you're too weak to recognize like oh this guy can kick my ass oh this guy could shoot a bow further than me oh this guy runs way farther than i can run oh this guy's way better at playing guitar than me what the fuck can i do to get where he's at yeah you gotta just that's a it's a trap because not only does it take away energy it takes away progress it takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future right it's bad all around yeah there's no good to it at all no i i agree with that and it's like that that energy is a resource that we have to protect i think that when you talk about like you talk about all the outliers that you you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you and i think your attitude and how you look at things like in that lens that makes people want to come on like you said you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say people want to hear what they have to say to you because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way because your attitude is so pure i think like even if you didn't believe what you said it was still if if you just said like i want to be positive but your questions were all negative like in tone or like confrontational in tone people wouldn't want to be on here like they want to be on here now you being positive and looking at things like how can i get better how can i grow how can we all learn and and um um get better from this that's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world which means people are attracted to you people are attracted to the guests you have people are attracted to the show and so yeah that energy we even though even if we don't admit it we're attracted to it you know what i mean you seek it out and um i know when i'm i like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope i don't want to hear about how fucked up everything is all the time right i want hope how can i have hope because hope gives me purpose i'm like okay i can do this i can i get get to work and this will this will pay off yeah so i i think it's like it's more complicated than we than we think but there's a reason why you're number one have been number one and it's your attitude and it's it's how you speak to people it's a little that it's also i got in really early right so i got in at like 2009 and there was hardly anybody doing it back then yeah so you could you could also i wasn't as famous back then so you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it right so you could get good at it so you could hone your craft right you didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through you didn't have that you just did it if you started now maybe you wouldn't be number one no i wouldn't be you know what i mean because there's there's so many there's i mean how many podcasts are there now a lot yeah like what's the number 10 million five million let me check those like seven or eight million it probably keeps growing every week so because everybody thinks they can do it because everybody can talk well and and the people starting now they might be you down the road oh yeah for sure there might be some you know well they'll be them incredible conversationalists that they'll be them they'll be a different thing than me right but they'll be amazing at it but you had because you had this insight or you know you saw tom green or whoever it was that like oh maybe i could do that you started this process of this decades of honing your craft to where it is now and now you've been on top for six seven years right and it's just because of all those reps that you did it's no different than anything we always talk about it's everything everything is reps yeah and it's just like you want to get good at something keep fail keep doing it archery is reps pools reps martial arts are reps it's all reps it's all experience and it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do whatever it is yeah i think like i even think of you know i love sean ryan and he's has an incredible podcast but i i get i get why this is happening he's pretty down kind of on a lot right now just with government with israel with epstein with all that which is by design almost they want us to be hopeless and i i don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but they do want us hopeless because we can be controlled but sean his podcast lately has taken more i don't want to say dark because it's more real but it's like it's darker so i just think that attracts less people in a different type of person than yours you have every reason to be dark about things and you are sometimes but that's not the theme of you well i think these it's like endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and quick game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at netflix.com slash house this episode is brought to you by txu energy for the first time ever texans have an energy plan 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talking shit and talking shit is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny yeah and you make each other laugh and you're like oh my god i'm not talking shit you talk about how many dicks you sucked last night you know what why is your mouth so sore you know like you you fuck around you say things you you're silly you know you talk about oh you know it's hard doing all this meth you know you don't you're not really doing meth right there's you're you're not really having gay sex right you're fucking around yeah and when you can't fuck around there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing yeah for sure and there's a whole like like get out of jail pass like let's have fun let's loosen up a little bit a little here well and then you can't loosen up you're serious right and then where does the conversation go back to the serious part which changes it it's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement yeah and that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world and it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world you certainly shouldn't but if you only focus on the bad of the world it's kind of a trap because it'll fuck your head up too you're just swimming in negativity all the time that's what i see sean that's a feeling i've got with sean lately whereas with the differences with you there's a reset there's always this reset back to good the message is good yeah i think and i don't think you're i don't i don't think you that's not by design that's just who you are yeah no it's not by design it's just uh that's how i think yeah like you can only dwell on negativity so much most of your day is not negative in fact yeah it's there's things that you need to be aware of and need to be prepare for them and the problem is is no it's not but our voices are oftentimes negative so it's easy if like if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative it's a lot of negative dude yeah so it's like knowing that you know i can go down a negative rabbit hole pretty easy i'm I try to avoid wading in that. Well, sometimes it's like you just get fed up. You're like, where the fuck are these Epstein files? Who the fuck is this? Why is this redacted? Where is it? Who the fuck killed JFK? Right. Like, come out with it. Who the fuck? Who fucking killed Charlie Kirk for real? Yeah. Like, what is that? Why is that fucking story so clouded in mystery? Why did they pave over the fucking ground right after the shooting? What the fuck is going on there? See, now you're making me in a bad mood. It's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy to get locked up in there. Do you see my notes? Look at my two on the very top. What does it say? Stay positive. Be nice. And what does that other one say? You have terrible handwriting. Be positive. Oh, be nice. Be positive. But your handwriting is terrible. It is. You should be a doctor. But no, I have to remind myself, like, because if you start mentioning those things that you just did. Oh, it's hard. Dude, I will fucking lose my shit. Yeah, it's hard. Because I'm so pissed. I know. And you should be. And we're all pissed. We're all, you know, we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was going to be released right after the election. It's going to we're going to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles. And well, the first term was more like that. That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term, there was some draining the swamp going on. I felt then we had the Biden disaster. And now the second term has been I don't even know what this is. I don't even know what it is. Well, it would have been a whole lot different. First of all, if we didn't buy it. If we didn't bomb Iran, I feel like we bombed them the first time. We were good. The second time was like even the first time I was like, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah. And then when they were saying, like, this is it. The escalation is over. We're going to work this out. Like, oh, yeah. And the second time when we bombed him, I was like, oh, fucking great. Now, and the most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in the country don't want to know. Look, I'm no fucking foreign policy expert. I don't know what's going on over there. But I do know. I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're fucking super happy about it. And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first or people that are like no new wars that really thought that we're going to change things and this is all just for money. We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people are all upset. I don't know really what's going on, though. That's the problem. And I really wish I understood Iranian politics more. I mean, I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I follow one schizophrenic. My name is Dolores. I am the real granddaughter of JFK. The gold that's in the basement is all mine. They're trying to stuff shit inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night. Crazy people. Not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago. And again, I might spend like 10, 15 minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. I'm like, I got to get off of this. There's no reason. It's interesting. It's great. It's crazy. That's what gets you hooked. I got this one lady. She was a hooker, and she's a crackhead, and she thinks everyone's a man. So she'll show up photos of all these different people. That's a fucking man. She's just fucking out to lunch. One guy thinks he's the rightful president of the United States, and he wears this dirty old suit. And you look in his eyes, and he's out there. The dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do, and he's on Instagram. Yeah. And he's watching sometimes street fights. Oh. I watch a lot of those. There's a lot of those out there, or the pranks, or the jokes, or pets. Pets are cool. And then it's just like. But they. It's just a trap. It just keeps you there. And then an hour's gone. And you're like, "What did I do for an hour?" It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, I'm just so much healthier. When I take full days, days off, I feel so much better. I bet. I bet. I'm in Hawaii. We went to Hawaii a few years back, and we went bow hunting for axis deer on Lanai, and I broke my phone. I don't know if you remember this. Yeah, I do. My phone just started calling people. Yeah. I'd be like, "Look at this. This is crazy." I'd hang up, and it'd start calling a new person. Hang up. So I had to get a new phone, and it took like three days. And it was like three of the happiest days of my life. Yeah. And I'm like, "Oh, I should just get rid of my phone." I was thinking that, but I was like, "Oh, I can't wait until my phone gets here." Well, where it's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And capturing those memories. Yeah. And if you have a question. Yeah. I love it, because I always have a question about something. I love that Siri now, you can just press Siri and ask it a question, like, "How many minutes are in a month?" And it'll just tell you. Yeah. Like, right on. Ooh. Like, you'd be driving on the car. You have a question. Just press a button, and it gives you the answer. Yeah. It's fucking nuts. How many times did you have a question, and you're just like, "I'll probably never figure that out." Exactly. But now, no question goes unanswered. Now, it's literally instantaneous. Yeah. And I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask you questions, because I'm just driving around, or I'm sitting at home, and I'm like, "I wonder how that happened." And then just, now you know. Yeah. Like, instantaneously. Yeah. But the dealing with all the people stuff, that's where I checked out. I'm like, "I'm not interested in that." I don't like. It's like, if you get a bowl of soup, and there's little pieces of meat, but most of the soup is shit, all right, I would recommend not eating that soup. Yeah. And that's what social media is like. It is. It's like, I get some meat out of it here and there. I get some interesting stories about science, and some new discovery from the James Webb Telescope, like, "Whoa, this is fucking cool." And it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole, where I'm studying things, and getting excited about things. And then I'll just deal with some fucking kooks, and crazy people, and shitheads, and grifters, and people that are mad that people are white, and people that are mad that people are black, and like, "Oh, fucking Christ." It's exhausting. It's too much. It's exhausting. Yeah. It's just eating soup with shit in it. Yeah. It's just like, it's not worth it. Yeah, well. Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Oh, I know. Grab some of that, son. And so, a lot of people are of the opinion that a black bear is not an edible meat, and that is incorrect. I've got a grizzly cobra here, full of all sorts of. People can't hear you, unless you're on that microphone. Okay. Give me something. Okay. So, also, this. No one can hear that, either. You gotta get to the microphone. Also, this. Put that thing down, and have a seat. Oh, there we go. So, do you know who Casey Brooks is? I've heard of the name. So, he killed the world record elk. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That giant. That thing is crazy. So, he does. This is like, super hot stuff. Oh. So, here's what it's called. What is it? Everything you need to know about Choletan, whatever. See, our Choletan- Everything you need to know about- Whoa. It's all worn out. I know. Maybe on the other page. Small, but mighty Chilean chili. Yeah. Okay. So, it's a type of chili? Yeah. You put that on, like, when you're cooking steaks. Where's that knife, Jamie? Here's one. Thank you. Look at that. Ooh, sweet. Oh, look at that fucking elk, man. Yeah. I know. That thing's giant. Oh, my God. That's nuts. That thing is literally nuts. What was the score on that? It was like 386 or something? No. 486. Or, no, 486. Yeah. Yeah. 386. So, 500. Yeah. Whoa. This smells strong. Does it? Oh, my God. Yeah. So, these are the chilies. Oh, so this is a- Yeah. He said you don't need much. It says- What did it say? 480? It says sprinkle this shit on everything. Okay. Yeah. This is cool. Yeah. So, I brought- And also- Ooh. Do you know his son? His son is a really good elk caller. I mean, I don't know. I know we don't- Oh, he makes calls. Yeah. We don't usually mess around with that. I learned how to do these just last year. His son is Beau Brooks. Yeah. I learned how to make a female elk call. Perfect. Because I had a little one that I blow on. Yeah. So, I never learned how to use a reed. Yeah, the mouth reed. I definitely don't know how to make an elk set with a tube. I'm fucking terrible. Yeah. Well, let me see that knife real quick. My. Yeah. This is the old packout skinner from Montana Knife. But, here's the good stuff right here. So, we got some of this. Tell me what you think of this. I've had it the last time you brought it. It's from the same- No. Butcher company? No. This is from White's. White's up in Portland. And, this is Ronnie. Ronnie's the man, dude. Portland, Oregon has a good wild game. Yeah. I think it's more like Gresham. Processor. But, it's so good. Oh, that is good. Tell me what you think of that. That's fantastic. Yeah. Thank you, Ronnie. And then, this is- No trichinosis, right? Hell no. Is trichinosis free? This is- Have you ever tested yourself for trichinosis to see if you have it? No. You might already have it. Yeah. You might have it and ignored it. So, the jerky's so good. And then, also, like this says White's on it right here. White's Country Meats. So, we've got sausage. Oh, you made trichinosis. breakfast sausage yeah it's so good nice um and then we got some rendered bear fat right here oh wow actually that so you can cook with that it's dark yeah why is it so dark i don't know um that's crazy yeah clay newcomb gave me something did he yeah okay have you ever used it yeah i cooked uh steaks with it okay it's great for searing steaks you know just like even beef yeah but it gives it a different flavor for sure definitely so he did it's like and also like the the bear in the spring their fat is a little different so it's it just reacts differently for me making the pepperoni and in rendering the fat it just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there this is one of the big bear i just killed and uh yeah so it's just perfect timing for i guess rendering fat and making sausage i was watching those videos that jen was making from bear camp yeah where she smoked that bear for like 24 hours yeah so good god looking insane it looked like so good they're like she's like a gourmet chef now with bear yeah and then they had the meat church guy up there this last week yeah and um so they were like you know bear meat when you put a whole back ham on the trigger so she she let it soak marinate for four days right and i saw people saying oh if you did shoe leather for four days it'd be good whatever i'm just telling you what it was four days and then 20 hours of a slow cook on the trigger best meat you've ever had it's like incredible that's bear and you know there's like people talk about the settlers back in the day they would eat bear and just kill deer for hides isn't that crazy to make clothing because bear was superior meat so people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good and it's amazing well it's because of yogi yeah yogi fucked us probably yeah yogi and the the one that tells you not to eat bear meat is good and it's amazing and it's amazing and it's amazing to start fires who's that guy smoky smoky smoky the bear yogi yeah they fucked us yeah they did then disney disney fucked us you know if it wasn't for those um anthropomorphizations of animals where they turned them into sweet you know beautiful creatures that talk to you yeah we would have a completely different idea of animals and then oh yeah much more realistic idea of animals for sure which i think most hunters have you love them you respect them but they all have to be managed i said whitney cummings a video that they got in um santa monica the other day uh of a mountain line in someone's backyard big fucker just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in santa monica man yeah there's i mean i don't know if you know anymore but um i can't eat too much people get annoyed oh yeah that's true it's good though it's that's a jalapeno cheddar how's it taste can you taste it the one the first one i had was jalapeno cheddar yeah it's fucking great it's really good so good yeah and i know what people think about it but i don't know what people saying oh you can make anything look at that that's the cat in the backyard oh man that fucking nuts man look at his eyes yeah fuck you man fuck you yeah it's uh meanwhile they build a stupid bridge for them and it's uh way over budget it's over a hundred million dollars now for this stupid fucking bridge so they can cross we have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway safety trust i am of a completely different opinion i say put one of those fucking big ass grills on your car like i have on my land cruiser yeah and let's hope we get a few of them yeah so they don't kill people's dogs look it was right there in the middle yeah it's 14th it says nocturne that is bananas look where it is like look how dense look how dense the housing is there is a mountain lion right there and they think a mountain lion is going to go find this bridge well they they probably will eventually find the bridge but there's a bunch of retards it'll still make their way across the highway and they're supposed to get hit that's that's nature yeah let's figure it out yeah figure it out or die yeah figure it out or die yeah there's too many of them they they're so unrealistic about their mountain lion numbers yeah there's way too many of them they're all over california yeah because they don't manage them that's what we talked yeah we talked about that last time and it's like i just wonder what is you know what's the goal because now you know i wore this shirt today because now public land is again back in the crosshairs i don't know if you saw that yeah what is going on this mike lee guy yeah that same guy same fucking guy from california from he he's trying to like this is the utah guy right the utah guy um so right now it's like there's this this bill that was going to be introduced it was like talking about wildfires essentially um but it's like uh it's what he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it like they always do there's always these other provisions tied into with all these bills right right and uh you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not um but he he put in this uh roadless area section because there's 400 or 45 million acres of roadless area that he wants access to basically they're not saying this they're saying for some other reason i think oh here's what they said we have so many acres of of roadless area that to fight wildfires we need roads okay they don't care about fighting wildfires they care about resource extraction or development right maybe development but development it's a tough sell in a lot of those wilderness areas but what's not that's what they tried with this remember remember the affordable housing yeah like oh just the areas to say that's what iran is that was supposedly affordable housing which like years ago i went back and talked to jason chafis he was uh he was a representative there in utah and i went back there and spoke to him and at that time it was about uh surplus acreage so there's three million surplus acres nobody's using someone told me that has something to do with with the mormon religion that the mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy they might i'm not sure public land i'm not and i think somebody told me that see if there's any reality to that that that the mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land i don't know if that makes any sense this is not my thought someone told me this and i was like wait what and i don't think i ever looked it up right that i do that too i've like i i'm like i need to look that up and i never do and then i never know anything more but yeah so i went back talked to jason at that time it was uh surplus acreage then this time it was affordable housing now this time is wild wildfire fighting which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires it's there's the national forest service already has 10 billion dollars of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now so they're saying you're going to add more roads to the 10 billion dollars worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on don't think so um what what they're going to do is and then also if you make roads this the stats say 85 to 90 percent of fires are started within a half mile of road of a road so it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there that's hardly any fires back there it's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain that's where the the fires are starting right because it's usually people it's it's human cause 90 of the time it's lightning it's that's only like a small percentage of fires that can't be fought here it is some utah politicians who are members of the lds mormon church have pushed proposals to sell or transfer federal public lands but this is a political movement not an official lds church program and other mormon groups openly oppose it so utah's see more disinformation somebody tried to feed me yeah and i kind of helped spread it right utah's federal land 42 of the state is managed by the bureau of land management alone even more under other federal agencies because so much federal so much of utah's federal fights over whether to retain transfer or sell some of that land is especially intense there yeah this next part is about mike lee which conservative utah republicans such as senator mike lee have proposed budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of western public land eligible for sale arguing it would boost housing or local economy the housing thing is like hey man fuck you no you're not putting houses in the mountains i don't believe you well i think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there or something it's a i mean they don't care about first of all they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mountains which you know water power that's not going to happen what is this wyoming thing says that wyoming case would have been the first time a registered national historic site was sold into private ownership which is why it drew attention what what are they referring to though uh a national historic site among oregon trail could end up in the hands of private owners at the request of members of the church of jesus christ latter-day saints oh so the church tried to purchase public land so down down to that next one it says lds teachings require strong stewardship and specifically advocate preserving and protecting public lands so okay that goes so it's just politicians like what he's doing and i think he's like beholden to trump trump's like his errand boy for this public land thing because trump doesn't give a fuck about public land but his son does this is what doesn't make any sense like his donald trump jr does he listen to anybody i don't know i don't think so to me about psychedelics well that okay we'll talk to him about this thing is that it again with sneaky roadless rule amendment yeah well maybe if i see him this weekend well i will see him this weekend but maybe i'll talk to him about that but i don't think there was - There was a sentence in there that I just saw, it says, Ninety nine percent. Right here. Right in the middle. Ninety nine percent of Americans oppose repealing the rule this rule. OK, so why they work for us, isn't it? Isn't that right? So the reason why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions. It's like, why don't they listen to people like the public? The public would say, yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them manageable. I don't think the public of California would. I think I'm opposed to that. Right. I'm opposed to ballot box biology. No, no, me too. So they got wolves in the Colorado. But I'm just wondering, like with this, this roadless rule, they didn't ask the public anything. Right. And ninety nine percent of the public oppose it. Yeah, that's way. I think I would say way more people oppose that than oppose any kind of hunting thing. Yeah, I I'm good with. OK, so on your point, then I want biologists making the decision. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I don't want politicians making the decision on land use. A hundred percent. All right. So that's that's all I'm. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. It's like, let's have experts in the field decide these things. It's like, who is the expert in the field who decided the White House needs a ballroom? Me. I called in. But it's like, how are these decisions being made like this roadless rule? This was like a last minute add on that the public did not get a chance to vote on. How is that? How is that OK? No, it's not OK. It's it's super fucking sneaky. And I think all of our position should be like your T-shirt, the Teddy Roosevelt position. Yeah. Not one acre. Like we have a amazing system here. We do. The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world. It's very different. And the fact that you can go out there and that is your land. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, public land is your land and you have access to incredible wilderness, beautiful places. And if you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no fucking people and it's unbelievably pristine wilderness and it's owned by the entire country. And we got to keep it that way. We can't we can't let that slippery slope get get into play. As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll they'll fucking keep going. It's not one acre. What once once you lose something, you don't get it back. Ever. And this especially with this public land, like at this time when when we all came together, it was outdoorsmen in all regards. It was hunting, hiking, fishing, whoever, recreators. Yeah. Like what? It's like people who just love and appreciate public lands. We all came together, shot it down. And the public sentiment was was vicious. Right. And they couldn't ignore it. We need the same thing now, because at this time, I know we did so much. Everybody came together. But when they do these, they wear us down with these these last minute deals and add on these things, because it's like, how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting? And you're like, I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already? And now it's back. Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they keep so many fucking balls in the air at the same time is because you can't fight at all. You know, it's like, do you really care about the Epstein files or do you care about UFO disclosure? Yeah, I know the UF UAPs. We're going to have a big meeting on Monday. We're going to have a big release on Wednesday. So I think they took to me. It seems pretty nefarious that they're like, say, oh, we got all these fucking dipshits worried about this roadless rule. OK, we can distract some of them with aliens. Got an alien stuff. All right. OK. Oh, we could we could distract some of them with fighting. We got the White House fight coming up. OK, that's. And now all of a sudden now it's way quieter because they've distracted some of these core groups with this other bullshit. Right. And it's the bread and circus thing. Like, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell, who said this, that it's not for the White House to be putting on sporting events. That's not we hire the government to run our country, not entertain us. True. Yeah. No, I look, I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That said, it's going to be sick. I have to like people think, oh, Rogan's negative. Nope, I'm not negative, but I'm not positive either. I don't. If it was me, if I was running the UFC, I would never run the UFC. But if I was running the UFC, I would have never wanted to do it. Yeah. I would have said we can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship fight. We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me. It's going to affect the grappling. It's going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's going to be sweaty as fuck. Oh, yeah. It's going to be completely different than, and also your endurance is going to be less. No, no submissions going, probably going to happen. Well, maybe, but also you can get under a neck way quicker. Oh, right. It's like a greasy neck. Slide your arm through there. Yeah. If you could cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweaty, you get, get it right under the chin. Yeah, that'd be tough. It's like, it slides in there. But most grapplers would not prefer that. Most grapplers would prefer an air conditioned arena like normal. It should be fucking 72 degrees, just like it always is. You know, it should be air conditioned like it always is. But even the, the controlling the hands, cause you know, like if you're top or bottom, like the big part is like the risk control. Yeah. Like if you're sweaty, that's tough. I mean, it changes. Well, back in the old days, dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. Yeah. And then they would wash it off. And so then they would, you know, get warmed up. And then when they would start sweating, the baby oil would come out of their pores because it's like, when you soak in baby oil for hours, you're going to get that baby oil out of your pores. I'm not accused of getting individuals doing this, but I know for a fact it happened. And guys would be completely greased up and you could wipe them down with a towel. It wouldn't matter. I mean, the grease is everywhere. It's in their fucking pores. And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a hold of them. It's like trying to hold onto a fucking salmon in the middle of the water. They just slip right out of your fingers. Well, that happens too if you eat McDonald's all the time, just kind of grease out your pores. So they should try that. Maybe that'll work. I think that'll affect your performance more. But the sweat is going to be a big issue. The outside, the bugs, that's going to be a big issue. The thunderstorms. Oh, yeah. It's going to rain. I'm looking at another forecast. It says starting around 2 o'clock, rain. 3 o'clock, thunderstorms. 7 o'clock, rain. It looks great. Oh, by 8 o'clock, it's only showers. Don't be a pussy. Just showers. Dude. Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it. Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors, it'd be better for everybody. I don't like it. I think the idea was like they want the. The octagon, the White House behind it. Yeah. For image and everything like that, it's going to be dope. The card is sick. It's a fucking amazing card. The card, I mean, it's only seven fights and all of them are bangers. From the opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez, bam, right off the gate. It's like Bo Nickel and Kyle Dawkus, bam, right off the gate. I mean, it's going to be a sick fucking card. The card's amazing. That does look incredible. That's the lightning catcher that they put over there. Yeah, it's going to be nuts. It's going to be nuts if it happens, but if it rains like crazy, you know, but I mean, everybody will love it if it rains. All the people who hate it, yeah, rain on those mega fucks. Oh, God. You're ruining our country, man. I know. It's a very divided time. Oh, it's nuts. Yeah, but like I said, my concern is for the athletes. A fighter's career is very short. A loss is devastating. And to not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think it's crazy. But it's also going to be sick. It's like being there is going to be nuts, and maybe it's worth it. I don't know. We'll find out. Well, you got to hand it to Dana for going big like he always does. He always does. I mean, you know, they- He always does. He was at the Sphere in Vegas, right? It's like, wasn't- that was out of the box, but it was amazing. Yeah, that was sick. That was a one-time only thing. That was so much money. Yeah. But this is a one-time only thing, supposedly, too. But apparently, Trump doesn't want to take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up. Really? I don't know, man. I think it'd be great. Have guys, like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple weeks. That'd be the next gimmick. I don't know. I mean, why not? Fuck it. Yeah, it's just- The whole thing's chaos anyway. It's a crazy time. I mean, what, Biden could have a giant LBGT flag in front of the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out. Remember that? Yeah, I knew. You know, like, they had big Pride Day. They had a big Pride flag in front of the White House. I'll take this over that. It's like, all of it is silly. Yeah. It's also- that should have nothing to do with the White House. This should have nothing to do with the White House. Right. But, you know, and then there's a lawsuit right now. I saw that. People are trying to sue to keep the UFC out of the way. They'll probably lose. Yeah. I don't- I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. But I would imagine they're not going to win. I'm a huge fighting fan, UFC fan. You know, Dana White is, like, an icon. I love all the fighters. I just love everything about it. It's- I just, you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him because he has a lot of takes. But on this one, I kind of get it. And, yeah, I mean, I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping at this opportunity. No. They have to do it. It's like, the whole world's going to watch. It's going to be probably the most watched sporting event maybe in history. Mm-hmm. I mean- And it's on Paramount, so it'll be on CBS as well, right? I don't know. So it'll be probably available- Is it on CBS? Yes. So it's on CBS as well. So it'll be available to everybody. And then all the haters are going to watch it, too. Oh, for sure. Because they're going to want to talk shit. Yeah. So it'll probably- covered on CNN what a disaster it was and they already talked a lot about how I'm not into it but I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into I can't just agree with something if I don't agree with it I'll be respectful I'll you know I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC and it's always an honor to work for them and I love it but I don't like it but I'll still yeah when I'm there I'm like oh this is sick oh and maybe after it's over I'm like they were right or maybe it'll be like oh it fucking rained it was what a shit show yeah it was lightning that canceled the fights was a huge disaster for CBS it's live sports it's like you never know I mean if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the canopy now I'm in yeah that's like apex style now I like it yeah I like it no crowd just us just me DC and Annick oh that'd be pretty fun now I like it now I like it and you know we're protected by the rain but everybody else isn't so they all have to leave so they all have to leave. Fuck yeah. Because I think it's going to be also a lot of like, look at me. People are going to dress up nice for it because they know they're going to be on television. Oh, yeah. You know, I get it. But it's really, for me, it's about the fights. There's gigantic fights on that card. The Justin Gaethje, Ilya Teporia fight, I am very interested in that fight. I'm very interested in that fight. I really wish it was like at the T-Mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever, but who cares? I mean, that's a fight I have a lot of questions about. I need to see that fight happen. I mean, Justin's quite a bit bigger, but Ilya is so skilled. Bro, he is. I watched a whole, I watched his entire career last night. So there was a, the UFC put out a video about Ilya saying, is Ilya Teporia the goat? And it goes from his first fight in the UFC to his last victory. And you watch every single fight of his career and you watch him get better over time. And, you know, it gets deeper into his career. And then you see his last three fights and you're like, good Lord. Yeah. He was awesome when he first entered the UFC, but he just kept getting better. So the use of the law fights, the first fight that goes to a decision, you know, and then you watch the progression. He starts KOing people. His last three KOs. This over the biggest stars. There's some of the greatest of all time. Max. Yeah. Charles Oliveira. Yeah. Charles Oliveira, one of the greatest of all times. Max Holloway, one of the greatest of all times. And then Alexander Volkanovsky, the greatest featherweight of all time. Yeah. Like fucking crazy, man. Knocked him out. Knocked all three of them out. How? That's one of the greatest resumes of all time. CBS won't air UFC White House event. Viewers would need Paramount Plus to watch. What happened? Did they back out of it? This is news to me. I just saw it. Oh. They would not televise it. That means you. I wonder if like Paramount, White decided, cited the plan to tell America's story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved. What? The plan to tell America's story. What? That doesn't even make sense. What does that mean? We don't want to talk about America's story on CBS? No, because there's only X number of fights. And it starts from the first one. White said, we start at the beginning of time. And like the Mexican Independence Day fight, we're going to have the story of America from the first fight to the last. So, no, they'll all be on Paramount. So, it's going to start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone smallpox. And then you're going to see all the Indians die. And then we're going to go, oh, look at all these buffalo because there's no one there to kill them. And then we're going to see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other. It should be fun. Yeah. Sounds like a good story. It's going to be a very accurate story. Of how the United States started. It'll start from back when we fucked up Mexico in like, what was that, 1861 to get Texas? No, what year did they? No, it was like 1821, wasn't it? Like that Mexico owned Texas. We'll start from the beginning. We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for like 50 bucks. Yeah. People love it. It'll be good. It'll be good. It'll be great. Yeah. I don't know. It's going to be a spectacle for sure. I'll be tuning in. Yeah. Beat the heat. This episode is brought to you by TXU Energy. For the first time ever, Texans have an energy plan that combines free nights all year with daytime summer savings. It's called Free Nights and Cool Summer. You get free nights every night all year long. Plus a 25% bonus toward your daytime use all summer. It's a first of its kind plan created for how Texans actually use energy. Discover how much more you could save with Free Nights and Cool Summer. TXU Energy. Energy for everything. Visit TXU.com for more information. Rep number 10004. I'll be there. Yeah. You're at the White House all the time now. I've been there a couple times. Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks, my experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately for everybody else. Like. You know, if he likes you and you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around. Yeah. He says a lot of fun shit. The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does. Like, he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom because he wants. Like, he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just there is not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the president of the United States that's loved by everybody. Yeah. But his. The issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for. And that's what people are upset about. The war. The war specifically. That's. I don't. You know, we voted for protecting the border. Uh-huh. And they did that. Yeah. It's American manufacturing, protecting America's interests, like with trade, with just protecting. We're protecting people's jobs so we have a way to work and provide for our family. America first. That was what. That sounded good to me. And it feels like this isn't any of that. Like, it feels like even his administration at first, I was just like, oh, fuck, these are some. Right. This is good. But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone. Well, it's that for sure. And then it's also, you know, the amount of political pressure. You know, you have to make deals, right? So you've got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there. And then you've got the oil companies trying to squeeze that. And the military is trying to squeeze this. And there's a lot of compromises that have to be made. And that's where things get dark. Yeah. Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're going to fix this and clean that. Like, I've had long conversations with RFK. And that guy's in struggle all day. It's a battle all day. Yeah. It's dealing with all these pressures. And. Yeah. Look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with peptides. They've made a lot of headway with eliminating some of these unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to. But they lost with glyphosate. That was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one. It's poison. You know, I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it that's going to talk about it soon. And it is. The people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue, we don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume glyphosate-ridden products have. We don't know how much it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your immune system? What is it taking away from. How much is your body processing this fucking toxic herbicide that's in your system versus. I mean, how much of that is contributing to people's health problems? There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy shit is. That people are just reacting to. Yeah. Bromate and pesticides and herbicides. But what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glyphosate, basically, with all the agriculture there? And then that's like the hotbed for cancer. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. You don't have to look very far to see that connection. No, you don't. No. Well, you know, that was also back in the day when people talk about the polio epidemic. You can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of DDT all over the fucking country. Because DDT. And poisoning has the exact same reaction. The body has the exact same reaction as polio, as paralytic polio. Polio. Wow. Polio. Polio. Yeah. You know, the disease. Like, there's this woman who wrote a great book on it. Suzanne Humphreys. It is called Dissolving Illusions. And it's all about that and all about, like. First of all, they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing. And people were getting polio. I remember seeing kids running through it. But it wasn't just people that were getting polio this is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio animals were getting polio like animals were getting polio but they don't get polio it doesn't spread to animals but the horses and fucking cows were getting paralyzed they were getting the same symptoms because it's fucking ddt poisoning yeah yeah now here's the craziest one what percentage of polio is asymptomatic mean you get it and you have no symptoms i don't know 95 to 99 percent really yeah so it's people have it this it's ddt yeah yeah ddt that i mean look it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromised get polio and get fucked up and die of course polio is bad thousands of people die every year from the flu flu's bad right yeah okay but you know what else is bad ddt yeah you know what else is going on when everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic fucking spraying ddt everywhere and most people are ignorant to it yeah and you bring it up they call you a conspiracy theorist but it's fucking fact yeah it's undeniable well i i was like you know the controlling the weather i was like that's conspiracy but then i started seeing the planes like laying the fucking clouds out have you seen have you seen it yes and no okay so i actually did a show on this you did yes i did not an episode of the podcast i did an episode of joe rogan questions everything now that show that i used to do back in the day we did a whole episode on chemtrails and one of the things we found first of all the reason why it looks like that this is just a fact the reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere you have a hot jet engine it's passing through this cool air and the hot jet engine and the cool wet air creates clouds yeah those clouds are real it's artificial clouds right also they spray shit in the air yeah oh two things are happening at the same time yeah because you see the normal planes you see the normal jet stream you're like okay checks out then you see the other ones and it's a different jet stream yeah but it doesn't matter the the condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent but they're making just like clouds are inconsistent you can we watched them the other day make laps yeah but it might not be the same plane it might just be a route right you're not watching the entire plane go all the way down land and come back no no right but you're watching consistent right plane travel routes yeah but that's why it looks like that but it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere dude i'm telling you listen those planes if you're looking at a southwest flight and they're not spraying okay but some planes spray shit yeah and there are some weather modification experiments they do that are completely top secret they don't let anybody know about it they do cloud seeding they cause floods right what happened with fucking dubai right ever see that dubai shit where lamborghinis are floating down the highway yeah that is people fucking with the environment that's what i thought was conspiracy before which i don't know no it's abu dhabi does it every week abu dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding and because they're rich yeah like fucking make it rain and so there's there's real weather modification now that's there's cloud seeding and then there's experimental shit like some of the shit that like bill gates was talking about like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the sun like hey fuck face yeah who are you to make a decision for the whole world to cool the you didn't even graduate college shut the fuck up like this is crazy and also the unintended consequences of any action that has never been taken before like cooling off the fucking planet what if this dipshit starts the next ice age and everybody fucking dies right i know i mean it's get the fuck out of the air leave us alone stop playing god you don't know what you're doing and also do you have any money invested in any of these projects that are attached to this for sure so we talk about all this stuff you know oh i didn't want to say this so for public land i want to say this part of my notes call your senators say you want the roadless rule kept intact say we don't want to get rid of of the 45 million acres that that are going to be protected with the roadless rule but to call your senators is 202-224-3121 say say you uh you want the roadless rules kept intact and we have to we have to let our voices heard our voices heard and we have to voice where was heard on this not one acre we won that one we have to do it again you have to call your senators and say and and just voice your concerns it's a slippery slope yeah you can't let them have any ground but like what i um here's what this thing was really pissed me off because as i said the administration at first i thought okay we got some we got some good pipe hitters in there it feels like they do what trump says if they don't they're gone they're like they're the scapegoat for whatever failed they're out of there um you can see the writing on the wall like i don't i was i wanted tulsi to get in there and kick ass because i knew how she felt about the war in iran and and like that would uh how detrimental that would be so i was like i i believed in her and now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there but it feels like people are it's like if you stand up for something you're gone and now they got this mark wayne mullin in there and they're like i don't know what to do with this i don't know what who just two days ago for this road roadless rule he unwinded 31 laws that were going to protect the the public land right just 31 laws he just said yeah those aren't going to apply anymore because we need to they awarded a 1.7 billion dollar contract to build a wall in texas that big bin national park 1.7 million billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build a wall in big bin national park here it's like how the public doesn't want that we don't want to fucking wall for they're saying for border protection and if you look at like where the border crossings are it's not in the middle of the fucking park so what do you think that wall is really for i don't know fucking up national national park one of the most pristine places in texas i don't know what the goal is but have you read into it though is there any arguments pro and con that the walls i'm sure there's a lot of arguments but i don't know what the goal is i'm sure there is i'm sure it's for border protection i mean maybe jamie can look it up yeah let's see if there's is there like uh there was no public input on it again right that's a problem and then the problem is again they can come up with reasons yeah why you know they have to make some new laws because well we got to protect people yeah and that's how the slippery slope began it was a covid like you know safe and effective protect your communities it's like do this for safety well it's the same thing trump administration will buy pass environmental laws for border project in big bend national park so what is does it say what the argument for it is according to preliminary federal notice latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than 100 miles of u.s mexico border so it's a border wall yeah from near close near the closed canyon trail in big bend ranch state park through the entirety of big bend national park into remote parts of southeastern brewster county in the notice home land security mark wayne mullen wrote the administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border while u.s customs and border protection continues to insist it will not build a 30 foot tall steel border wall in either the state or national park the agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers surveillance technology and patrol road upgrades in the parks as a part of a project uh dubbed big ben four so this is like not not listening to the experts again six former superintendents of big bend national park penned a letter to mullen urging him not to take such steps so again not listening to the experts just like the ballot box biology just doing whatever the fuck they want doesn't matter what the public or the expert things they're gonna thanks they're gonna do it award these bids to the probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for 1.7 billion dollars with no bids it's like how is this how is this okay yeah it's very i don't understand it is there a lot of crossings in there no there's not that's the thing they have where all the crossings happen there's like this tiniest percentage in that park because it seems like it's probably a very remote area of mexico that it connects to as well right so it'd be very difficult to get through that way and also if you're going to get through that way like good lord right you're going into like a tough country to get through that way and also if you're going to get through that way like yeah and you know that's that's good elk country down there i know people who hunt west texas good good bulls yeah yeah so it's like i just i don't know it's uh so if you look at the millions of americans who treasure big bend you know they don't want construction down there and especially if if we voted on it fine if there was a reason fine but it was never voted on yeah it says uh the horrific plans are an affront to the millions of americans who treasure big bend lake and jordle uh an advocate with the center for biological diversity said in a statement politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place yep yeah and that's you know i've heard somebody you know pretty close with trump tell me that he's never walked on dirt before trump has never walked on dirt he plays golf has to have walked on dirt grass baby that's very grass and sand dirt so not on his course but but the point is it's like somebody who's never walked on dirt has to have walked on dirt who doesn't appreciate public land, they don't give a fuck about this no they don't give a fucking they don't they're not going to see it and they never would see it but there is a border walk on up there too though there as well same spot yeah look um they have to protect the border but if there's not a lot of crossings there and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border like who's getting the contract yeah and just to award that with no bid it's just not that's not i were i was a public buyer that's not how it works you're spending public money you can't just spend public money without a bid right i mean but they bypass all this shit that has the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money and they bypass it all and then you know who suffers here it's the people who don't have like some people they go to the park for mental health they want to go camp they want it's like they might not have two nickels to their name but they're not going to go to the park for mental health they're going to go to the park for their appreciating nature that's why public land is so important because that gives purpose to people like me who's less like i got to get out of this shithole city and go recharge right so for people who don't appreciate that or care about that that's that's wasted land it's like we could have a shopping mall we could have investors doing this we could have make this work because right now they they would say that well not everybody can can um take advantage of this because you have to hike you have to do these things so we want to make it more accessible so more people can enjoy it no yeah that's that's not how it works you're gonna fuck it up yeah you can't just have helicopter landing plaids all over the fucking woods there's there's your yeah there's your contract spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with gop white house ties construction contracts including 2.6 billion dollars awarded this week are being awarded to at a historic scale through a streamlined process that could provide a chance to put trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall yeah see that streamlined process that was bypassing 31 laws and so what's there now like what is the border now between mexico and the united states in that area is it just land like you just walk right across it's probably the river look what is it what is the border can we find that out jamie does it say okay let's just look go up the map okay yeah let's see what the map looks like okay let's say so that's where it is so is that the river that blocks it well the river blocks the whole bottom of the border technically right there's certain parts of the river i mean it's not that hard to get across that river that one well well i mean people aren't going to go there to cross that's crazy look how beautiful that is it's amazing god that's so beautiful no they're they're not going there to cross yeah that's all mountainous i don't know i mean it's hard to see actually where is the most border crossings well for a while it was like where they had that road where they were just letting people through most border crossings are actually in arizona really yeah i'm i'm almost positive so i'm sure jamie's gonna find it here well i'm asking it how many have you seen the border crossings through big bend endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at 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crossings by visitors per year and it's a very big border crossing and it's a very big border crossing and it's a very year plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other parts of the u.s mexico border what exists in big bend big bend national park shares about 118 miles of border with mexico along the rio grande the only legal port of entry actually inside the park is bokeha's crossing small pedestrian only crossing to the bokeha's del carmen mexico national park service information and travel videos describe bokeha's uh as handling roughly 10,000 people a year yeah those those are mostly all legal so 734 uh border patrol sector sees only a fraction of total southwest border crossings one report cited 300 734 people documented crossing in that sector by more than 27 000 along the entire u.s mexico border uh in a given period and like what year was that where it was uh 734 was that before they shut down the border crossings yeah it was the border was really crazy how many people came in the country oh i know the fact that over four years it's north of 10 million and i've talked to people that think it's 20 it doesn't say oh wow and it it just shows those out of the 27 000 but doesn't say they're illegal so it's not a hot spot across the last the last slide there said it says the smallest fraction is illegal of that 734 those were like the smallest fraction of those that were illegal like total crossings in that area a smallest fraction was illegal so it's no it's not as bs right it's bs and they're just gonna do it because they've got a nice contract and they want a wall beautiful wall yeah but why giant wall in the national park no um the washington post reported last week the skyrocketing border wall contracts now totally more than 19.4 billion in the last six months have mostly gone to bernard and fisher that's prompted a lawsuit against the trump administration from a would-be rival border wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities yeah all right see that's illegal i mean but that's what they're doing yeah no bueno no and and so but but as i was saying they distract us with all this other stuff and push through shit like this like who knows what a senate what the senator house is voting on on a tuesday well it was this public land thing you know just add it in in the middle of the night we have no no say on it we're distracted with all this fights at the ufc with israel doing whatever the fuck they're doing and it's just like oh we just lost all this public land too and it's like it's it's impossible to keep up on that's what's frustrating you know it's not frustrating this bear meat it's pretty fucking good yeah that's that's amazing that's a man that's legit but what okay so that so what can be done this bill hasn't passed right no now it's going to go to the senate so it was in the house this and then here's what here's the problem so this was originally this uh roadless rule is bipartisan everybody agreed let's protect this now with mike lee adding this language in there now it's turned um now there's lines in the sand and nine Republican senators voted with the democrats on this to to allow this the roadless rule to get to be in there so now it goes to the full senate now they're going to need whatever the the percentage is six i think 60 percent of a full senate vote um for it to pass so we'll see so now the scumbag lobbyists get involved yep and they start pressuring people and help you do this and i'll do that and help me here and i'll be there when they get overwhelmed because the switch boards if people call that 202 number like i said then that makes it to everybody and what's that number again 202-224-3421 say you're you want to keep the roadless rule intact you don't want to sell off public lands you don't want to this is all bs um but they they do this and um yeah the lobbyists get involved and what happens is like what happened with the big beautiful bill is this part was in there and trump wanted it in there but it was caused such a friction he was just like i want my big beautiful bill passed these guys are fucking it up with this public land stuff pull that out let's get this through so they did they pulled out this we saved the public land who knows what we lost that that was also attached but anyway we saved public land at that time they were gonna for affordable housing same thing has to happen here he's got this language added into the shit that are already working on that changes you know we've had we've had this in place for decades and and it's worked right so we've had this in place for We have to say, no, we're not down with this. And they have to pull it out again. Well, I hope we can get it through. We'll push it. You got it up on social media where people can. Yeah, I will. Cameron Haynes. Yeah, I will for sure. But it's like, you know, it's this is so important because it's so important to people without a voice. So it's like I feel sometimes like, how did I get in this position? I know you do, too, like where you're at the White House. You're just like, how the how the fuck could somebody like me earn this opportunity? Right. You've earned it through decades and decades of work, of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of caring. And now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you. That gives you a platform. You've the most powerful voice probably in the world at some times. And so you get invited to the White House. And I know like for me, I know they've used me there before. Like, yeah, I created value in myself. They invited me there for Veterans Day. And I said, no, I'm not going because I don't fucking agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree with all the shit. I don't want to go and have a picture in the fucking White House so people could be like, see, see, you you fucking you're part of this. You know, because we did. We we thought that Trump was the best option at the last election. I did. I 100 percent believed he was better. The thing is, he might still have been the best. He might be. But and that's fine. We don't know what would have happened. No, the Kamala Harris administration. This is a continuation of the Biden administration. I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions. I didn't want that. I didn't want, you know, the celebration of transgenderism. I have no problem with transgenders or crossdressers or I have no problem or gay or anything like that. I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth. That's it. I don't want youth getting surgery that their parents don't know about because they can't have a say in it now. I don't. I didn't want any of that. So, of course, I'm going to vote for Trump. Right now, I don't like any of this shit. So I have my right is to say, no, I'm not down with this and I'm not going to the fuck. I'm not going to be in your picture at the fucking White House so you can use it. And all the people who listen to me would be like, oh, fuck. So they wanted you to go for was Veterans Day. And what was the premise of having you there? I don't know. But but you're not a veteran. So what was the premise? It's only because I have a big platform. So. They're going to celebrate Veterans Day at the White House. And they just said, let's get some famous people. Probably. I mean, it's it's, you know, remember the Epstein files where all the influencers had the binder? Well, it was Pam Bondi. Yeah. But and there was a but there's there was a few other influencers. But they use they they they can use people like us for their messaging. And then they invited me back again after. Now I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care. And it's like, I don't have to agree. With fucking lockstep with the person I voted for. That's our right as citizens to be like, I voted for that. But I don't agree with this. And I'm not happy about this. And I'm and I want you to know that's that's our right as voters. Would they invite you back again? This was back. It was for a public land thing. And I'm like, yeah, I'm down for it. But I just know I had this this kid on Benji Backer. He's like has this this page, this nonpartisan something for outdoors. But I did this show with him. And there was. It was, you know, bringing different people into debate public land or like to share why we care about public land coming from different places, but it's still all important to us. I did the show with him. Well, he went. I had him on the podcast. He talked about his how he's working hard to protect public land. He went back and Trump signed an executive order, something about public land. And all it was was a pomp and circumstance photo op to get executive order. Nothing has happened to it. Nothing. Happened with it. No action has been taken. It was like all it was was just they can make a press clipping out of it, a theater and nothing's going to change. Nothing changes. Nothing's protected. So that's what I feel like. A lot of these times, if I get invited there, it's for that is to is to make my base. If I have a base, I don't have I'm not a politician, but to make my people, like, feel a little better about whatever's going on. And I understand that's how it works. You want powerful people on your side. Right. I'm not saying I'm powerful, but I have a pretty big following. I just I just I went back there because it's a huge honor. Like the few times that I've been back there and is amazing. And it's like being in the White House. Somebody like me should never be there. But I've created value in my name in some ways that I get that opportunity. But that opportunity comes with a price. So now I have to think about, am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this? And now it's too. There's too much for me that I'm not. I'm not happy with it. I can't ignore it personally. So that's I feel like they use they use opportunities like that for, you know, for press. Well, it seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie. And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want. Or what about the military drones? Those contracts when this war started. That's. You can look into who who made money on that one. Who made money on that one? Should we look it up, Jamie? Drone military contract. Let's see who made money. I don't want to say. But, you know, huh? OK, well, I don't know. So I'm going to be surprised. Yeah. So maybe maybe not. But like when you follow the money, it makes a lot of sense. Of course. When you follow it does when you follow a pack, you're like, why is this politician always pushing this shit? Where do they get their money? Oh, I know. I know this guy back home. He's running for like this local politician thing. His name's Adam. He's like he goes, I don't junior. What? What, Jamie? What did you find? Wait a minute. What did you? Are you? This has got to be a mistake. Eric and Don Junior invest in military drone company amid Iran war. Jamie, where'd you find that? That seems like propaganda from Iran or something. Is that a cartoon? Are Iran's cartoon propaganda again? No, but so anyway, you start, I was talking about this local guy back home and he said that he goes, I need to call Israel. He goes, it is so hard to get money for like to run as a in whatever. It's just a local election. But you go to a business, they say, yeah, here I got $18. I can contribute. Right. Where so you see these big politicians, you see how much money they're getting. It's like, wait, what's this? A pack thing. Why did they get millions? Oh, then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like, just making a lot more sense. It's like, where's the money coming from? Yeah, they're going to they have to take all that out of politics. Oh, my God. I don't know how you could at this point. But when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for, who gets put out into the public eye and in a great light, in a positive light. And then you realize. And then you realize that there's just all this money from corporations to get this person in or from other foreign countries to get this person in or from lobbyists to get this person in. And you're like, wait, would that why that's not serving us now? It's like, well, how do you stop that? When did OK, here's a big question. When did money officially become a problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question, but put that in perplexity and see what it says. I think the Citizens United thing was a big deal, but I think it was 2012. What thing is that? Citizens United. Citizens United. That was 2012. I think so. That changed it a lot, but it was always a problem before that. And there was always been like, when did corporations become a real problem? When did APAC become a problem? When did when did APAC form and when did they start donating to American politicians? Yeah, it's a first of all, I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to a foreign government should have any influence whatsoever on American politics. I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is to Israel. That is crazy. I've heard people say that to 2022, 2022, not direct directly start donating to U.S. political candidates until 2022. Fucking Jesus. So if I if I don't I mean, if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take. Any money from Israel his first election. And now he just gave an award to somebody you can see who he just gave an award to or give an award. What kind of one of the big ones? One of them nice ones. They put them around your neck and you stand there in the Oval Office. Yep. Who contributed to it? He just won the Olympics. Who contributed 250 million to his last election. Oh, so do you want an award? That's how much you got to pay for an award check. Good. I don't I don't really want an award. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. So. To me, that is so you said, like, if 2022, I would imagine APEC would is around. I would if I didn't know that, actually. But when I look at like if you look at Thomas Massey, he got in the crosshairs of the president for whatever reason. Right. He got they had a candidate they wanted him to lose to. And he did. He did lose. Yeah. So here's the thing. We'll get to that in a second. - Here's the thing, Citizens United decision is widely seen having created serious problems in U.S. politics by vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency. And so this was what year, Jamie? I want to say it was 2012. Oh, okay. Or 2011, 2010. 2010. So 2010, Supreme Court decision further tilted. Yeah, tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's when we got fucked. Yeah. I think that's when it started treating corporations like a person and gave them rights in some way. That was Obama. See that second bullet point? Supercharged PACs, which can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors to spend unlimited amounts. So that's how they control the elections right there. And that was the Obama administration. Dark money. Dark money from groups that don't fully disclose donors have exploded. Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns. So we need to just fucking tune the way back machine to 2009. But even then, like 2009 is after they bailed out the fucking banks. Yeah. Well, 15 years later, Citizens United defined the 2024 election. Yeah, there it is. Yeah. Fucked. It's a slippery slope. Yeah, that's so I don't. That's like Ruth Ginsburg right there, called it the worst ruling of her time on the court. Whoa. Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disproval of the ruling with at least 22 states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it. Citizens United reshape political campaigns in profound ways, giving corporations. And billionaire funded super PACs a central role in U.S. elections and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics. And yet it may only be now in the aftermath of the 2024 election. We could be to understand the full impact of the decision. And it's perfect, too, because Citizens United. So this is like the language they use to dupe us like, oh, Citizens United. We're together. This is good, right? Just like the Patriot Act. Yeah. Or like in Oregon, that the hunting thing. It's called the Peace Act. Oh, yeah. Talk about that, because that one's bonkers. Yeah. So this is not. So this is the same thing. It's just it's follow the money. If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money. So the IP 28, this is a crazy thing. They want to. Here's here's where I just explain Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a Petri dish for these crazy ideas, for these political ideas. Like if you think of. Legalizing recreational drug use. You know, we did that in Oregon, like heroin, meth. You can have that. It's fine. It's whatever. I think they turn that back. Right. But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon. Yeah. It didn't work out so well. Right. Now, this is another crazy one. But they try it in Oregon because it's very. We've got a huge liberal population in Portland and Eugene and some of these in Salem. But not just liberals. Retards. Yeah, they're they're more than just because I'm gone. I'm friends with liberals for sure. They're gone. They're they're at the far end of the political spectrum on the left for sure. They're full on communists. Yeah. Socialists. No meat. Everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody to get bitten by that tick. Yeah. I mean, so much. We should talk about that, too. We'll get to that in a minute. But so the law, the new thing, the bill they're trying to pass. I'd be ban ban. First of all, was it was it the May who was it? The governor of. Washington, which which governor was it, Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a fucking license to paddleboard? Oh, probably Washington. I would say you fucking imagine telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe. Yeah, well, you have to pay the state money to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe. They also made it like during covid, like some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake. I think he got a ticket. That guy got arrested when he was surfing by himself in California. Right. So you're going to get sick out there in the middle of the ocean. So it's just silly. But this IP 28, they bill it as, you know, on there. So they'll they'll do the same. I go to get these votes. They needed one hundred and seventeen thousand votes to get this on the ballot. So to to get one hundred and seventeen thousand people to sign your petition, basically all I said was stop animal cruelty. All you have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter to say, hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty? Right. OK. Yeah, I love animals. Well, I love animals, too. Oh, he signed this. So they didn't tell you that it's making you know, you can't fish, you can't hunt. You can't raise animals like backyard chickens. You can't raise backyard chicken ranchers, just like even ranchers who sell beef. You can't do it. They're making it like even the breeding of animals like we breed cows, we breed horses, their stud fees. There's different things. It makes better race like like racehorses. But there's also better product for for beef. Right. So we control like when when a cow goes into heat, when he gets bread, things like that. That's part of like being a rancher. Well, they want to make that like because a cow didn't agree to it. It's like rape. It's like sexual assault. Like you can't control when animals breed. So that takes away ranching. There is no ranching. Right. So they want to make it to where. They're not going to make eating meat illegal, but if people can't raise it, you're buying it from some other state at a higher price to get you're eliminating ranches in or in Oregon. Yeah. So it's killing the whole industry. And they could say that, like, even if you if you heard an animal, I don't know what like you could get charged with assault. So this is they want every animal treated like your family pet or dog. Oh, and but the thing is, like chicken for food, you go to jail. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering, like, if you know how you drive in a car and like sometimes a bird flies in front of you, right, you get arrested for that. That but you're responsible for your vehicle. You killed that squirrel. So this guy who introduced this, this is the third attempt at doing this. He knows he's not going to get the vote because how it worked to get on the ballot, they take six percent of the votes cast in the last governor governor election. So six percent of the last votes casted. So it's a small number, but it's one hundred seventeen thousand. They can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty. Now it goes to the ballot. But he knows this is his third time. He knows this isn't going to pass, but it's like it just tells them what they need to work on, what language they need to change. It's all part of this long term process to get hunting and fishing stopped. Right. Because I think like in general, the government, they like consumers, they don't like people being too self-sufficient. They like him relying on that. This is another step. Like if we can get rid of ranchers hunting and fishing, don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff. Then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you. Bill Gates owns all this land. You talked about Bill Gates before him making decisions on shit he doesn't know anything about. He dropped out of college. But did you say he dropped out of college or. Yeah. So it's it's they want to be able to control who's who's providing the food, who's making the money, what type of food it is. You know, it's like it goes back to the whole WC thing. It's like you will own nothing and be happy. It's like that's they want these smart cities working towards that to where, no, you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore. We got it. Right. And they can use these nutty, progressive people as just useful idiots to push things through. That's all it is. And then you get a bunch of people that are pushing money packs that are pushing money towards these people to fund them to push these wacky ideas. Right. So why would they do that? Well, that's why they do that. They do that because they want you dependent on them. Right. And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight. And this thing won't won't make it into law for sure. But they'll see where they're at. This will be like, OK, here's where we're at. Here's what we need to change on our messaging. Here's where the biggest pushback was. And they adjust where. Can we do that on the other side? It's like I know there's there's farming or ranchers or organizations, but like it's it's money, it's like who's giving these people the money. It's usually coming from out of state and they have more money and they're more organized than people who are working. Because when you're a rancher, you're fucking working all the time. You don't you can't go get signatures and shit. Yeah, you got work to do. These fucking these environmental people that are just crazy, like extremists, they get paid for doing this. So it's like that's that's their job. You know, a rancher has a he has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't have time to go out and and knock on doors. That's the really fucked up part is a lot of these people that are these protesters, these organizers, that is their job. And that's hard for people to really understand. And until you listen to people like Mike Benz, where he breaks down how NGOs work and how they fund things. And the fact that like most of these things are a fucking scam, most nonprofits are a fucking scam, and it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of nonprofit like, oh, my son works for a nonprofit. Oh, he must be a good guy. Yeah. He's like trying to help. And maybe he is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy. But then you're corrupted by this system that you realize like, oh, no, the nonprofit is essentially about supporting the nonprofit. And most of the money goes to the supporting of this organization. The overhead, the structure, all the infrastructure, all the people working there. They all get paid very well. And then. little piece goes to whatever the fuck it is the people starting the non-profit will be like okay first i'm gonna need this much money exactly oh you want to be my vp i can count on you i'm you're gonna make this much money so that's what happens and then whatever's left is like that's their you know that they can't write off that's what they contribute yeah um what did i see this oh this is another one that i saw about non-profit hospitals do you know that non-profit hospitals are the most profitable yeah yeah for sure they can just hide that money they charge crazy amounts for how crazy is that like non-profit are the most profitable yeah so this whole idea it's all just bullshit it's all most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really like the bill gates stuff yeah there's a great book called fuck what is the name of the book i read this book control of garks and it's all about how a lot of these guys they they realize that they're having public image problems like particularly bill gates like during the uh antitrust lawsuits with microsoft yeah then he pivots to this bill and melinda gates foundation where it's all about philanthropy but they're philanthropic capitalists all the different philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable like he made 500 million dollars allegedly off the covet vaccine off of his investments in this vaccine it didn't even fucking work well yeah i think trump got paid paid with that too but it's like uh yeah it's you know the money thing i don't know the citizens the regular citizens are the ones that pay the price for this yeah it's it's dark and so here it is put you put your headset headset on real quick listen this this guy talk about congressman recently described some non-profit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds persons say that non-profit hospitals were like hedge funds with hospital beds and i was like i bet they are what's going on here because in the united states more than half of our hospitals are non-profits but hospital world doesn't feel very non-profit-y and then i read this book and i was like what's going on here and i was like i bet they are what's going on here and i was like i bet they are what's going on here and i was like what's going on here article by scott hodge in the washington post that talked about how they need to be taxed and it turns out that the total revenues of non-profit hospitals in america in 2023 so three years ago was 1.3 trillion dollars and it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money in fact three years ago so this is probably a lot more now non-profit hospitals were making 45 billion dollars worth of profit and as i mentioned we taxpayers give them a bunch of money in fact in 2021 we gave them 38 billion dollars 11 and a half billion dollars and a half billion dollars of it because they don't have to pay any taxes and that was five years ago so this is probably more like 60 billion now and the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity but there was a study that looked at almost 1500 non-profit hospitals and found that 86 of them provided little or no charity and that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance is either private health insurance or insurance from the government only three percent of people don't have health insurance and it's not like they're going to have to pay for it but they're going to have to pay for it the hospitals give them a deal turns out that the government was checking this out around 2009 the hospital spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squashed so now it's kind of the honor system so i was like where are those billions of dollars going that the non-profit hospitals make in profits turns out it goes to executives like these ceos who are getting paid about four and a half million dollars a year meanwhile their nurses make about 70k four and a half million a year here apparently manage with consultants getting billions of dollars from non-profit hospitals and here's a guy robert at a hospital in new york who paid himself 15.3 million dollars a year non-profit hospital and there are really good non-profit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve low-income families and people in need like saint jude or like the shriners but it looks like about 86 percent of these non-profit hospitals get 50 or 60 billion dollars from u.s taxpayers like you and me because they're supposed to do some form of charity but they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity and some of their ceos are making 15.3 million dollars a year while we subsidize them with like 50 billion dollars do you think this is right i saw this okay so this is p davis jones on instagram motherfuckers so it's like it's again it's just like the ufo thing yep it's there's distractions there's so much to pay attention to there's so much fucking fraud and there's so much chaos this is what elon told me when he started getting into the doge stuff he's like it's impossible to describe the amount of fraud yeah he's like it's insane that's what nick shirley found in minnesota when he went to investigate the daycares and also found in california with hospice care centers there's entire uh motels where every room was supposed to be an office for some fucking non-profit and they're all just siphoning money so it's madness so that's like that's what it makes money regular people like me like what's the answer it's like what's the point to all this aliens meanwhile i'm i'm paying out my ass and taxes for shit like this yeah and or for war it's like yeah all of it's gross yeah every single yeah i mean uh what we're gonna have to have is some side sort of like radical transparency where all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably with some ai program and no one's going to want to turn that on right they're never going to want to turn that on exactly how much fraud and how much fucking terrible management they've done with our money oh like the pentagon's never passed an audit once no not one no zero and you look at you don't pass an audit you're going to jail for sure yeah not look at yeah how much we're in debt all the shenanigans they do with the public money it's just like that's over exaggerated we're only in debt 39 trillion dollars that's not a big deal isn't that crazy you know the thing is they could just print 39 trillion and it's done yeah just pay it off the reason why they don't is because they have really good money and they don't have a lot of money and they don't have a lot of money good control god you're doing a great job it's a one thing on this hunting thing i do have to give credit to dan gates and how it's like they've done a good job in colorado like fighting this this has like been um we've won a few things there um have they tried the same thing with oregon and colorado the same kind of thing well no what dan is doing he's um he's got out there initiative 302 and it's going to make hunting and fishing in colorado a constitutional right mm-hmm okay so hopefully that you know how these just like this this lobbyist and this ip28 they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kind of planning for the future well if dan is successful with this initiative 302 passing that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing because if we can go through there this is like the litmus test for it then okay maybe we can do this in other states also so this is a big one coming up they're savvy politically to when they're doing shit like this we have to be more in tune you know and educated on it it's such a bummer though because like the people that i know like mike benz that do this all day i do not envy terrible i mean mike benz makes these live streams where he's just exposing and they last for hours like who's going to go through them all well and he's exposing all these different companies be nice be positive we didn't do any of that how do you how do you how do you talk about this it's hard in a nice and positive way it's very very very difficult very especially because these are real problems i last on my lit well i don't know what's up on the list but uh um oh i do want to talk about the spoke one i want to shout out ryan callahan from backcountry hunters and anglers you know cal sure sure great guy busses ass for this shit martin heinrich which is he's a senator there in new mexico he's i think he's a senator there in new mexico he's a senator there in new think he's a democrat i don't give a shit about democrat republican whoever he just fights for public lands and he's a badass and then also ron wyden there in oregon who normally i'd probably never agree with anything on because you know it's just different but he is he does get i want i want to give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against this public land sell-off and mike lee and um this energy resource committee which is you know that they're beholden to a different set of values usually it's money related and these guys are kind of fighting for for the guys like us who just enjoy being out in the mountains so you're being positive yeah i just wanted to tell those guys are doing great but um i i was gonna bring this up this is like the whole scandal i've been involved with recently which is feels like a lot for me which i don't like but i my point on it is i feel like um um i feel like i'm on the right track but i don't think i'm on the right track but i feel like i'm on the right track but i don't think i'm on the right track but i feel like i'm on the right track endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off 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TXU Energy. Rep number 10004. Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that. So you won the Oregon Marathon in your age category. Yeah. And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC-157, which is a banned substance. So you would take, for people that don't know, as ridiculous as it sounds, Cam broke his foot like two years ago. You broke your foot like two years ago, and you never got it fixed. So all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken foot. And you went to Ways to Well. They treated your foot with stem cells. And they inject. They injected BPC-157 into your foot to help your foot heal. Is it healed now? Is the bone fused up? Yeah. What did it do? It just grew back? Yeah, finally. It took a while because I didn't stop running. So what does it look like now on an x-ray? It's like kind of the bone is – it was a big break, like a pretty wide break, which is why the surgeon didn't know if the bone was going to be able to make it across there because I kept moving it. Yeah. And he told me, he's like, you know, with this, this is – I just had the same surgery done on my thumb where the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right? So your ligaments and tendons are very strong. The bone fractures. So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race and basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone. So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from because bone-on-bone healing is much bigger. It's better than ligament-to-bone. It's like quicker, right? So we need a piece of that bone. Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece I broke off was, so there's a chance that it wouldn't reattach through surgery, which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it. It's called a Jones fracture. It's on the outside of my foot. And hope it connected. But that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where it's supposed – by design. So it probably changed the function of your foot. It would change. It would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot – and I run. I have a good stride. I run well. And he said there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should or that, you know, you'd need another surgery if this doesn't work and then another one to get the hardware out. So I'm just like, I really don't want to do two or three surgeries. Let's see if we can try other treatments, less invasive. If I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal? And it has. So I always like – I don't know. I was like very interested in not getting the surgery based on – you know, he's a renowned surgeon. He does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's a stud. Totally trust him. But I heard what he was saying about like, hey, there's no guarantee this is going to work perfect. And I took that to heart. When did you have the injury? How long ago was it? It was June 16th of 2024. Okay. Yeah. Quite a long time ago. Right. So – Basically a solid two years. Yeah. So I went in and I dealt with it for – I mean it hurt for a long time. I just didn't want to stop. I just didn't want to stop living, you know. And I'm like, okay, if it's just pain, I have a very high pain tolerance. I don't care. I'm going to block that out and just do what I do. So I did. I did everything. I did all my hunts. I did races. And it was terrible. But I made it. I made it through and my foot's healed. So broke it in June. Went into ways 12, I think, in July. Went back in November, which is when I got that stem cell back in it. And when they put in the BPC there, that one. One time in November. And so that was like – that was a thing. And all I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene Marathon time for me. I'm healthier than now that I've ever been. I've retired. I've done more specific training. All these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right? Like almost like Lance Armstrong. Well, you've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional runner who's also a vegan and has been very vocal about you. He's been very vocal about you in an anti-hunting way. So he's got that. And you're also – your time, your running time, he's – is he 18 years younger than you? Yes. And your running time is very similar to his. His last marathon, yeah. Yeah. And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won in your age class, is quicker than last year's by quite a bit. Yeah. What people don't understand is last year your fucking foot was broken. I didn't. I didn't run last year because I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year before. Right. Yeah. Was your foot broken then? No. No. Okay. So your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot. Yeah. That's amazing. It's – But how much quicker? Ten minutes? It was – my best time was in – my very best time was in 2006. Me and Lance Armstrong, we did the New York Marathon. I didn't even see him during this one, but I ran 250. I was like 21 in New York. I ran 250 quite a few times, like Boston. When I ran with Lance in 2008, I did run 250 again, and that's when we finished together. And, you know, Truett and I were talking about this, too, just the other day, because Truett, my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than a 216. So we were talking about this, and it's just my training and even his training, because I'm not a coach and I don't know. I just run to get in shape for bowhunting, okay? I don't – I'm not a pro. But – and I had him run, and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him either. So he hired a real coach. And when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it and why you do certain exercises and why there's certain stimulus from – I mean, I just had the winner of the Eugene Marathon on my podcast, and we did a really fast run. We ran a 506 mile, which I had never done. A mile seven of an eight-mile run. And then he said, okay, my – his name's Jack Siddell. He's, like, an amazing athlete, has 1,400 followers, which is kind of crazy that this amazing, talented people have a small amount of following, but their talent is incredible. So he won it. I ran with him just the other day, and he said, oh, I need to do eight 100-meter strides, which is simple – essentially sprinting. After we ran super hard eight miles, climbed 300. So he did a 3,000 – a 3,000 – or 2,000-foot mountain and did this fast pace, but he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do, which is qualify for the Olympics, right? So the stimulus is what I've never done before. I've never got on the track and did it – all I ever did was just go run. I just run. That's what I do. It's like, how do I move this needle in the right direction in a positive way? I got to put in work. How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after mile after mile. Some days. 20 miles a day because I felt like that was a noble sacrifice for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which was bowhunting-related, not racing-related. Well, with Truett taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's been doing the stimulus, hired a coach, and like, hey, Dad, you need to do this type of stuff. You know, you get on the track. You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but you do because you need the stimulus for your body. I had never done any of that. I had never got enough sleep. I would sleep. You know, if I was going to do a marathon a day and still be at work 10 hours a day, I'd have to get up at start at 2.45 a.m. And I did. And sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight. I didn't care about sleep. You'd have Dr. Matthew Walker on here. I'd say, fuck that dork. I'm not listening to sleep. It's like, I don't need sleep. I can still perform. Look it. I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two hours of sleep. But I wasn't performing at my best because I had to overcome my body fatigue. So for decades. I would work. Didn't miss a day of work in 26 years. Never called in sick once. Always get my miles in. Always get my work done. I was leading the cruise. People relied on me to be a good leader. I had to be there. I'd still put in this work. I would not get any sleep. My body was so depleted. I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I could, given those circumstances, was a 250 marathon. All right. Tired three years ago. Now I'm getting sleep. Now I'm doing sauna, cold puns. I get, you know, I spend, let's see, spend 2,000 bucks a month on massage and body work. And now with more specific training, like last year I ran with Truett. He ran 238 in Boston, 234 in Eugene. We went on a run right before that. He said, dad, I can't keep up with you. You should be going for the sub 238. He's trying, he was trying to break 230. He goes, you should be going for the sub 230. You're, you're faster than me. So this was last year, but then I got hurt. So last year I was going to break this same record. This year I've been healthy. I knew I was going to get my fastest time ever. I put up a post and I said, PR or ER. I'm either getting a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room. I'm sending it. So I said, PR, ER, and I got a PR. I got 239.11. One of the fastest ever. For a 58 year old. And it's like that caused people to pay attention, which I get. It's a very fast marathon. on for somebody almost 60 years old, but you have to look at the, at the full picture and say like, this wasn't some just guy who just started running, been running. I've been running since I'm five years old. I'm 58. I was running, pushing myself at five, running further than any other kid in school winning an awards. That was 53 years ago. Okay. I've been doing this while I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care. And so this guy said, Oh, have you, you know, he's like mad that I was so fast. He's talked shit about Truett. I don't, and I'm trying to be nice and positive. So I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to, I understand people who want to protect clean sport. I applaud USADA. I applaud WADA. I applaud clean sports. I love it. It's, it's, it's required for the Olympic athletes to get their just due. Um, for me, he, he said, you know, he's talked shit about Truett, which he's already on my radar. Cause I remember Truett said, Hey, there's this elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon. Cause I have no chance of getting the standard. And you know, I said, who, and he said, why is that dishonoring the marathon? Cause he was saying like true is so far away from his time that it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal. My, my point was he's a runner just like you. He has a big dream, just like you had. Why shit on his dream? Somebody says that this dream, they want to do it. You're a running coach. How would it be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition? That was just words. The words are associated because he's my son. So that's all that amounted to. Um, but he was on my radar for that because Truett told me and I said, who, and I hadn't, didn't even really know who it was, looked him up. I'm just like, yeah, fuck, whatever. So anyway, I knew the name. Well, he comes on my page after this and he says, something like he dug up this old post from like 2011, which is still up there. And it talked about the shit I was taken from is like complete nutrition, which is like GNC. And it was, you know, if you go to GNC, it's like, you know, mass gainer 2000. So like everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not fucking steroids. You can't buy steroids over the counter. Everything that on that thing that I was doing us sponsored by complete nutrition, all over the counter supplements. It's like, there's no, there's no fucking EPO on here. It's like what these people try to make it sound like. It was just shit that I was lifting weights from 15 years ago, 2011. It's a, it's a blog post. He still has it. It's like, like I said, prating around like a trophy. It's like fucking over the counter or whatever. So he said, I said, are you still talking about that? This is like late at night. I was kind of irritated. Didn't doesn't guy irritates me anyway. So he said, could you pass a, you saw it, a drug test. He said, I have no idea. It has nothing to do with me. I don't give a fuck. Probably not though, because I, I didn't actually, I didn't even know, but I know it's very restrictive and I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show. We don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like, we just go running. Well, what, what stuff would you take? Had you taken that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test? Like the stuff you're taking now, what supplements can you not take? Cause there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally. That you can't take. Well, peptides are one of them, right? Certain peptides. I think you can take certain ones, but I don't even know. Cause I just, I had never looked at the list. I tried to with this when this came up. Well, there's the other thing is a lot of people fail just by taking supplements because there's third party, there's contamination of supplements. That's, that's what happened to sugar, Sean O'Malley, Osterine. It's happened to, you know, a lot of athletes with this. Most of the stuff that you would buy at like a GNC, probably an Olympian couldn't take, or they'd have to check it out. Right. Cause it's like, how clean is a lab? How, you know, susceptible is to contamination. So a lot of them, like they're thinking about this shit every day. Like it's their whole life. If they get, if they pop hot, their career's over. So it's, it's a huge deal. I had Jordan Burrows in here and he wouldn't even try a Killcliffe CBD drink. He was like, I don't think I can take it. He was like, I don't think I can take this. Well, I had Cheeto on my show and I said, Hey, you want to try a ketone? He's like, I don't, I don't know. So he called Jeff Novinsky and he said, could I take this ketone IQ? And Jeff said, well, depends on what batch is approved. So the batch of the ketone IQ that was made has to be approved. The other batch might not be approved. So you could fail from that other batch. I didn't know any of that shit, but he called him right, right before we did it. So he didn't take it. It's just like, so there's things like that where it's just, it's nonstop. I don't know if I can take this, this, that I've never been in that position. Cause I'm, I just run to bow hunt. I've never looked at these lists. I've never done anything, but a lot of stuff that, you know, Sudafed is on there. ADHD medicine is on there. You can't take, or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption. So say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone, you had low testosterone, you had low testosterone, you had and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption. That's very interesting. You can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate performance enhancing. Yeah. Theoretically. I don't know if they'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and like, if this was real, well, you're supposed to take a very specific amount. Like this was the issue with the UFC when the UFC had TUEs and they had TRT, VTOR, those, those days. When guys were taking like large amounts of that shit. And that's actually what stopped the program is that people started testing like off the fucking charts with testosterone. And they realized like, okay, these guys are straight up juicing. Yeah, for sure. So, but if you're a 60 year old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone, it's legal. Yeah. Yeah. It, and it, and it should be, it's like, um, the TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways because we know these doctor patient relationships, you can, you can say, Hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this? Right. Of course. And that's, that's always going to be the case. I'm not even, I'm not even talking. All I'm saying is like for, and I've talked to Olympians about the situation because I want to make sure I understand it. Right. It's like if, if I'm as a regular citizen, so there's 9,000 runners in the Eugene marathon, are we all going to be held to the standard of Olympic athletes? That's right. Are they testing everybody in the Eugene marathon? They didn't test anybody, anybody, so there's, there's prize money that that's paid out. There's Olympic trials, qualifying standards, which are met. So now you're in the Olympic trials. And I, and I don't want to shit on the Eugene marathon because he's small, smaller marathons. They don't have the money to be testing 9,000 people or probably these tests are expensive. So there there's something to like, if it's a USATF, so United States of America, the track and field association, if it's one of those events and it's for like a world championship or it's for like a, a, a team position, I get it. And it does need to be for the Eugene marathon with 9,000 people. It's not realistic to say we're going to drug test everybody. Or if you're taking whatever you need, a therapeutic use exemption, because do you think USADA could review, say if people are taking three or four different medications times 9,000, they don't have the resources to, to go through all those TUEs, right? It's not realistic. So there should be, in my opinion, two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in, and you got your elites, which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements. And that's totally fair. And I get that. And it's kind of why I've waded into this and said, I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that I took BPC 157 to try to avoid surgery on my foot and whatever the fallout. Whatever the fallout is, is what it is because this needs to be discussed because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all this stuff just to be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is running or competing in races. And everybody like on the other side on, you know, say the clean sport side, which I am on that side too. Trust me. I want to, I want clean sport, but they're like saying that like my time was so fast. It's almost into this. They talk about this age graded thing. Where like this guy who brought it up said age graded. Like, so what that I think is what that looks at is like in my prime, if I ran a two 39 at age 58, what was my potential when I was in my prime? Right. And it would, it's super fast. Like, you know, like world, like two 10 or two 12, which would have won the Olympics back when I was 25. So I understand why my time is just like, I'm almost too fast as a regular citizen. It's supposed to not take certain supplements. That's supposed to be stated in, in the marathon signup, right? yeah and it's not yeah and i and i don't i've never i i hardly look at that but there's now after all this i looked at the waivers because you know usada's been they sent me two really nice emails just lovely emails that i haven't responded to um and they they're trying to do the best they can but if these waivers say um i looked at the waiver for i did two races this year eugene marathon and cocodona 250 and the waivers mention liability and insurance things doesn't mention anything about usatf or drug testing or any of these requirements there's no mention of it's also what the the thing that doesn't make any sense is first of all bpc 157 is not a performance enhancing substance yeah what it it helps heal soft tissue injuries it's very good for recovery from injuries that was what that's one issue the other issue is it was two fucking years ago there's no way that's affecting you in this year's eugene marathon that is no it's long out of your system it's a smoke screen you know we've talked about smoke screens here it's what he's doing is is basically he's accusing you because you took bpc 157 and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things i've been called a liar a cheater a doper uh stealing it's like yeah but it's all fine but this is essentially what we were talking about earlier yeah what we were talking about earlier about people that are outliers that are like super successful and they build things up and they're not going to be successful and they're not going to be successful and they're not going to be successful and they're not going to be successful and they're not going to be successful fuck that guy that guy cheats that guy this that guy that same fucking thing yeah this guy can't appreciate that here's a guy who was running a fucking marathon a day while working an eight hour job i was your friend then yeah this is real i know you did this i was always telling you to quit your job yeah yeah that was the first guy telling you quit that fucking job you're killing yourself i was worried about you because i know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could actually fail and you're not going to be able to fail and willpower is really important um having a strong will will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to pass they will not be able to break through but will could also get killed you know and it could also ruin your life you could hurt yourself to the point you know you hurt your back or something to the point where you never recover it never comes back like you have to there's like a fine line between mental toughness and and just you know being able to see the big picture and go it's actually smart to not be tough here and it's not to deny my toughness i gotta know that i am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself that's why i was always worried about you because you were doing things with no fucking sleep and i saw it i know you did it i watched that guy's not doing this and you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has or a guy like goggins has where they can do things people go no one could do that the fact that you're not they can't like how many ufc fighters have you seen go and train with goggins and they're like israel adesanya world champion world-class guy throwing up at a fucking garbage can can't keep up with him tony ferguson like who is known in the mma world for fucking superhuman endurance tony ferguson would just walk people down in his prime he was el kukui he was the fucking the boogeyman because he never got tired yeah and even if you heard him it didn't matter he was going to recover and come back after you he's coming he was coming for your fucking soul that guy was breaking down everybody breaks down and it's he's doing it in silence no one even knows he's doing it with no music he's doing it by himself no one's pushing him yeah he's a fucking full-on psychopath they are real yeah there's real people out there that are really living like that this guy should look at that and take inspiration from it but he's got these ideological differences with you because he's a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel and you're an asshole and you're killing animals and meanwhile he needs to eat one of them fucking bear sticks they're fucking delicious give me another one i want i want another one fucking awesome they're they're great but it's just it's just what we're talking about it's if you and that guy actually had a conversation thank you if you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was no cameras and it was just two human beings having a conversation i i guarantee you probably have way more in common than you do not you know outside of the i don't know i don't know i don't know ideological differences about hunting and veganism and maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails but it's because most of it entails large-scale monocrop agriculture if you're if you're just buying plants you are responsible for the death of a fucking countless number of creatures yeah fact end of story especially if you start talking about bees yeah avocados and almonds oh i'm eating almonds i'm healthy you fucking killed 100 billion bees all right stop yeah uh outside of that what are you both doing you're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability and maybe if that guy had a bear stick or two and had some real protein he'd have a better time well i i mean too right yeah i'm i need some real fucking protein i am friends with a lot of people just like him and belief and like on the political spectrum or even the diet spectrum and i it hasn't affected our friendship at all because what i focus on is what do we have in common we love the mounds we love to run we love to push ourselves i don't need to align with everybody a hundred percent so i'm i'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them it's like has nothing to do with anything it's uh but for for him you know i was on the radar for a few different reasons this gave him like the reason why like bpc 157 is banned for olympians not for a regular person right we all know that bpc 157 is banned for olympians not for regular people can take it right so i'm just like he's like do you know what the rules are and i'm like i don't give a fuck about the rules so then he turned that into like he doesn't care about the rules he's going to do everything anything he wants i'm like no i don't care about rules that don't apply to me i'm just like whatever so the rules that apply to me are is this rule and it's like if you want to talk about rules i follow rules like i talked about purchasing you know when i was a the the buyer at my old job for 20 years i had to go by laws and rules every day and so i'm i respect that as if it has to do with me if it like affects me i'm like okay i understand it well this one you start bringing up these usatf sanctions and what i need to know when i sign a waiver for a race and i look at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this this says if the ustf sanctioned event is you know if we're talking drug testing it says related public materials must contain the following language so when i see that it says that must contain the following language in my contract days i'm like well that didn't say should or didn't say may because should and may means it doesn't have to right when it says must it must so it says it must say this athlete who participate in this competitive in this competition may be so objected to formal drug testing in accordance with you blah blah blah so basically it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is their rules their own rules say it must be included i've never seen this language it was never included in anything that i've agreed to with these in regard to these races so there's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are if it's just the waiver even if they had a link like okay right and so if they said if you are going to race you must be held to a waiver right so if they said if the standards of this race right you can go visit them on this website that's fine i would be like oh that was my bad i didn't do that right they never mentioned it so if somebody said like i didn't know bpc was banned for olympians at all before this i just thought that it was another maybe you could get a tue for i or i didn't even know what tue was but because i just it's not my world my world is bow hunting i just try to get in as good shape as i can you're not trying to do it for money you're just doing it i've never won money i've never been on a national team if i wanted to be if that was what i was going to do i would know everything about the rules everything about what i could take or what i couldn't take i mean you can't take thc you know i mean they say you can take it but not on the day of competition so you know how long thc is in your system yeah so you took it the day before but you didn't but you're still going to test hop for it run high yeah but but as long as that lasts in your system how are they going to prove if you took it that morning well they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race and they could determine whether or not you actually intoxicated during the race that's how uh nick diaz got popped oh really takanori gomi they said his fucking levels were off the charts and that was you saw it probably um i don't believe it was uh i believe that was i think that was pride and i think it was the first time that pride had an event in the united states and they had it in vegas i believe see if that's that's right it was a long time ago i want to say this is god i want to say like 2005 it was a big win when nick beat takanori gomi takanori gomi was one of the big stars uh over in pride and uh nick uh he got him with a go-go plato which is a crazy submission off your back when you use the shin against the guy's neck and you're grabbing your foot from behind his head and god nasty but uh they said he was off the charts they said he was high as a kite when he was fighting which i fucking love you yeah you're not allowed to do that and i think for good reasons i don't think you should be allowed but look um the the reality of these drug tests are is that if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition, and they're a regular user, they're going to have a lot of THC in their system. They just are. And also, you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race, and you would still be intoxicated the day of the race. So what year was this? Apparently, the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at 175 was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. Dr. Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that, so it was Nevada, a result of 15 is considered positive. But the Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of 50 test positive for THC. They feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in Nevada is treated as positive. Truly positive. Mr. Diaz was 175. This creates a unique situation. I was there at the fight. I believe you were intoxicated, and that it made you numb to the pain. Did it help you win? I think it did. I don't, you know, listen, Diaz is going to be numb to the pain anyway. He's one of the toughest fucking dudes that's ever lived. I don't know if you can make that argument that it helped you win. I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it. You know, he probably could go out there high and fight more in his element. Yeah. He could fight in his element anyway. So he was one of the best fighters on earth at the time. He's a world-class fighter. The idea that that helped him win is like, prove it. Prove it. He was beating everybody anyway. It's a stretch. It's like, I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing 9,000 people or having them, you know, like. Well, it's also be realistic about what you're saying. Because what you're saying is if all you did was take that drug, it's not even a drug, take that peptide in 2024, for a broken foot, there is no fucking chance that helped you win a marathon two years later. It does not help other than the fact that it helped to heal your broken foot. That's not performance enhancing. It's just not. This guy's kind of a hater. Not even kind of. He's a hater, which I understand. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I admitted that I took it and it's like at that, and I actually, that night, I remember I didn't even know when that was. I fucking can't remember when I go, went to waste. Well, it's like, I don't, I thought it was like six months ago. I couldn't even fucking remember. So then I got ahold of him. I said, no, I need, you know, the details of my, my treatment. And it, you know, it was in November of 2024. And I'm like, okay. But anyway, that night I said, yeah, I've done stem cell. I've done TRT before and mentioned BPC one, five, seven. And it's like, I didn't know when that was, but I just kind of, because he was like coming at me. I'm just like, no, fuck off. It's like, I do all this. I don't know whether it's approved or not. It doesn't has nothing to do with me. I'm not any elite athlete. I'm fucking bow hunter. So I was like, kind of wanted to just let's shit on him at that time. Well, he got what he needed. Cause admitting to taking BPC for like Olympian is a huge deal. Cause it's banned just for them, not for me. And that, then he could go to USADA and say, oh, this guy took a ban and they're, you know, now they're like, it sucks. It's like, they're in a position where, I don't know. It's just like so much, the public knows about it so much. It's like, you know, I got articles about me and talking about all this crazy shit. And I'm just like, I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries. It's just like, I'm not trying to win a fucking the, my age category of marathon. And then they'll turn it into like, well, that's not fair to the other people who are, are performing. I was just like, I'm not even in this field of this elite field where this is all I did was admit I was truthful. Everybody else just lies. Yeah. Well, maybe, maybe lies, maybe doesn't. But the, the, the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to help heal injuries. And if you're going to run marathons, like the way you run them with very fast times, you're probably training really hard. If you're training really hard, you're probably going to get injured. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just, but it's a hater thing is what it is. Or he's accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar, but so this is the thing he's, he's attacking your character, but it's also the fact that, you know, that quote that I love all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. This guy's an elite athlete. No one knows who he is. Yeah. You know, that's part of the problem. And then when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times, like, that's like, how, how's that possible? He's 18 years old. Older than me. Fuck this guy. No one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them. No, no. Or yeah. I mean, and I get that. I mean, I I'm a human too. I understand how that can happen, but like to call me like a doper trying to discredit everything I've, I've done. It's just like, it's so not even real. The approach to use is to just be honest, lay it all out and leave it alone. Yeah. I don't think like going after this guy and talking, oh shit is in any way beneficial. I don't, I don't want, I want him to, I want everyone to succeed. I don't have anything personal against this guy. I didn't like, he was talking shit about Truett. I didn't even that it's just, it's just haterade. He just sees Truett running with those fucking perfect jeans on and looking all handsome. He's also a little too buff to be a marathon runner, which drives people nuts too. Yeah. And then he also won the world pull-up challenge. Like, look, when someone breaks the world record at pull-ups, that isn't a fucking extraordinary human being. Period. And for you to discredit that person in marathon running after they've done that, well, you're a fool because this isn't just a regular person, right? This is a person who broke the world fucking record for chin-ups or pull-ups. Yeah. That's a crazy thing to do. Yeah. To do thousands of pull-ups in 24 hours, rip your fucking hands to shreds. Yeah. That's an extraordinary person for him to not recognize that he's being a bitch. Yeah. It, which is fine. It's characteristic that a lot of human beings have. Yeah. And especially ones that are not getting their needs met in terms of the attention they feel they deserve and who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter. What the, the traction he's got is because it's almost like if you say, you know how some people would say, oh, you're interested in border security, like protecting the border. Racist. Right. Right. Racist. You're a Nazi. Right. You're a cheater. So to, to say that I'm a cheater or a doper, you don't have to say anything else because like, oh, that guy. So now I'm kind of tainted by, with that language when the fact of the matter is this is years ago. I don't take any, I mean, I take plenty like fish oil, magnesium, all this other bullshit trace gives me, but the, like the level of doping I know about, I don't know shit. I don't even, I don't know EP. I know we've talked about this before, but I don't even know really what a EPO does other than make like more red blood cells or something. So there's more oxygen. But I'm so like illiterate on performance and like PEDs. I'm just like, I don't, I don't even take testosterone anymore because I run better low, which is weird. And I didn't know if this happened because they say when you run like long distances, extreme long distances, your testosterone drops. I almost think that's by design because I look at like how these women have been performing with low testosterone or higher estrogen, they perform better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe I don't need the TRT maybe. And so I haven't, like I had, I had, I got a prescription filled like last September and I still have four of the things out of 10 and anybody who's a doper, they don't got dope sitting around. Like if you had, you know, if I don't care if it's meth or fucking testosterone, if you have it, you take it if you're a doper, right? So I haven't done it because I'm, I operate better with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run, but low body weight too. That's a big factor. Yeah. I'm like one 48 is what I got down to when I read right now, like 52. Wow. When I met you, you were in the eighties. Yeah. I was just lifting. I just, I always ran, but I'd run like five miles a day. And I wanted to be like, I thought like for hunting, I needed more muscle to perform because I need to load loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for, for like one 48, still very strong compared to like a normal one 48. So I, I'm still able to do the tasks I need to do, carry heavy loads when I kill. You've optimized. Yeah. So, well, this is the big factors, the weight, cause I'm pretty heavy and I noticed the difference, you know, like I've lost a, when I hunted a few years back, I got down to the one nineties early one, like, like one 92 or one 93. And I felt way lighter. Yeah. Like you would think 10 pounds cause right now I weighed 202 this morning. You would think 10 pounds is not that big of a deal. It's a big deal. Yeah. It's a big deal. When I work out and I put a 25 pound weight vest on, it's amazing how much harder it is to do chin ups and pushups and dips. It's amazing. Yeah. And it's only 25 pounds. And you think about how many people just normally carry 25 extra pounds. You're walking around all day with a weight vest on. You know? Well, and I've told truth is too, it's like he's heavier, but every guy lining up to run them the olympic trials qualifier or like when they run the olympic trials for the marathon there won't be anybody over like 140 so i said which totally makes sense you're fighting gravity yeah i mean you got to be light yeah so i said you can't be 160 and compete what is he at now he's like 58 and what is he trying to get down to he's got to be in the 40s got to be like 140 you'd be good oh my god he's gonna look like skeletor the guy the guy who i just ran with who ran eugene and set the course record and all that he's 135 probably like six one whoa that's just the name of the game right you like the east africans super light the guy who just broke the world record of the marathon he's like 135 or no no 115 geez a tiny little guy so it's like makes sense that's just that's just performance right that's just what it tastes a huge engine a light body right and uh so like to to paint me this way when i was turned avoid surgery haven't taken bpc since then um it's just it's kind of just i think all you can do is state your case and i think you just did and you just did it really well and i know you and i can speak for you you are as honest a human being as i've ever met in my life you don't lie about anything and you are and it's also why you work so hard you work so hard so you don't have to lie i mean you're you're an insanely hard worker i didn't i didn't lie about this either yeah i did i didn't remember when but looked it up here's when it was whatever you know this guy's got to get over it maybe you should have a conversation with him on keep hammering collective yeah i mean i don't i would talk to talk to anybody i don't you know i talk to people who feel differently than me all the time people there's a there's also a problem where people don't know someone and they don't communicate with them and so you kind of form a narrative and then you fight that narrative you know you attack that narrative you attack a creation of who the person is rather than the person who's the person who's the person who's the person who's the actual person and people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon yeah they like to turn someone to an not even a person that's how people have to do that with war they love to do that with it's religion it's easy to garner support with keywords using keywords that nobody could defend would be like okay we got that that'll work right there and so that's where you know the nazi or the doper the racist that's why those words are always out there yep it's like because they're powerful exactly that's exactly and when and when you you know when you get boxed in a corner you can use those words and it buys you some time yeah there's that and there's also you know there's a lot of people that don't have a good personal insight they don't understand what they're doing really they think they're justified in what they're doing really it's just a bunch of bitchy bullshit one thing that i did i think part of this um i i don't want to be demonized about like with the peptides because it shouldn't be demonized but one thing i think a lot of people because i as you said a lot of people are taking these peptides a lot of people are doing the trt stuff i think that there was a big shift when covet happened as far as distrust in the the health i mean basically our health and wellness category like it started maybe with obamacare people are having trouble getting in their doctor doctors quit because it's too frustrating so people we've had a hard time getting medical treatment like to be healthy and then covet happened and then they were shoving down you know the vaccine down our throats and turned out like it wasn't as safe and effective as they said so i think people like they see that the writing was on the wall they couldn't get in their doctor the doctor was like just writing prescriptions so then the wellness clinics popped up right and it feels like it was after covid for now like you got a ways to well and there's other places like it where you can go in and they care about how you feel they want you to they want to help you feel better like live like an optimized life like you're old but you don't have to feel old and so they're like they can do the blood panel where getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while it's like no we don't need to do that but you go to a wellness clinic they'll do it and they'll tell you yeah you're deficient here this this is that we could add this we could try this um and then also you start to feel better and you're like well these people care about my health the doctor what he care about writing prescriptions and then the doctors they're playing a totally different game as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched and they're like oh my god i'm going to right so it's no wonder that ways to wells and like these these other treatments maybe bypassing surgery and let's try this peptide i i see that it's kind of evolving and it's changing and the sport of ultra needs to also and running needs to to be on board with that because most your field aren't elites and aren't olympians right they're regular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy and that's me while they're working a full-time job most of them yeah well i think you laid your case out and i gotta pee yeah so let's wrap this bad boy up and bring it home uh congratulations on your bear hunt those you got two giant monsters oh yeah we got john and jen yeah shout out to john and jen rivet yeah i'm gonna try to come next year i swear love those guys love those guys um i love that place they have up there too it's crazy and uh for people who don't know um those these these bear uh have no natural predators other than grizzlies they have to be controlled they are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves they they they're ruthless predators opportunistic hunters they eat each other just to put that in perspective in alaska they're flying out of helicopters shooting bear yeah because there's so many not enough for getting killed so they wipe out all the ungulates yeah so it's like it it's an issue you just don't know about it you people don't know that alaska is flying in helicopters leaving bear after they kill them i know and everybody thinks of bears as yogi yogi and boo-boo and you know come for a trip take a trip to alberta i'll show you some real shit yeah yeah i know it's i remember when uh you know i've told the story you know jen and i ran into a grizzly once when we're out there just briefly we only saw it briefly and we're like let's get the fuck out of here yeah they they don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies so that's like it's crazy that's quite a ways from where we hunt now just because isn't that crazy a grizzly starts coming in the bait yeah that's gotta get out of there especially i like to sit on the ground and they need to start hunting them up them up there too and you know this is uh the when they changed that law in bc they made it a fucking disaster up there there's so many grizzly now yeah and it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any encounters with them and they're it's ballot box biology it's people that they're trying to be good people do you want to outlaw trophy hunting yeah these cruel assholes they just want to shoot this animal for its skin yeah fuck them they just want to show what a big man they are by killing an animal like that guy calls me a trophy hunter like he's like he's like oh i understand deer and elk hunting but not bear it's just like well you don't know what did you just eat how is that bear we just ate how is that any different than deer and elk my daughter went to school one day and they were asking what your favorite food was and she said bear candy because steve ranella taught me a uh recipe called bear candy how to make this like it's like a you make it with brown sugar and you cook this bear and it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal but with bear it was fucking delicious and i i served it for my kids and my daughter i think she was just trying to like jostle people up a little bit i ate bear well jen makes some badass bear stir fry oh it's fantastic i mean i was like her bear meat is fantastic i was just thinking to myself mountain offs has those new freeze-dried meals maybe i need to get some right dehydrated get some bear meat in there yeah yeah those things are good own food he does it all in a dehydrator then rehydrates it and in camp he's vacuum seals his own stuff some of those meals do yeah what's the best way to do it too if you want to eat clean if you want to eat clean in the mountains oh yeah get a dehydrator for that energy because just like in ultras and performing what you're using for calories matters 100 so especially on a long hunt if you can like we had i had some mountain ops uh freeze-dried in there like chicken alfredo that's just fucking good good calories 100 and also electrolytes boy i it changed for me when i started using it i was like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die use an element when i started throwing element my water when i was out there giant difference get those electrolytes that's the first thing i drink in the morning is an element yeah because i know i'm because i run every day i know i think i've been also like low on sodium for a long time just because of how much i run for sure like i run so much like i get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat and wet clothes sitting on my skin has makes all these sores from running for hours and in a wet shirt that's crazy and so guys wear their nipples out they have to put that yeah that happened i wear like a band-aids i wear like a bra sort of well it's like a little uh running pack but it holds my shirt right there on my tits but this here bounces and it's like just being wet but that's crazy it's big sores on your skin just from a t-shirt it does just from being you should start running in silk just from being warm but i think that i was sweating so much that when i do that element first thing in the morning it sets me up for the whole day to to be able to perform at a higher level yeah even just some sea salt in your water like you need you need minerals everybody does need electrolytes all right let's wrap it up yep all right brother i love you to death love you you're awesome glad you had an opportunity to come on here and this is all very important stuff to talk about and uh one more time that number for everybody i want to call that number i know call you call your centers two zero two two three four three one two one say roadless rule needs to keep stay intact mike lee can suck a big fat one i think america fuck yeah bye 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