#2511 - Terry Bradshaw

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day pull up onto the microphone mr bradshaw they're catching uh rainbow trout oh yeah killed him i've been up this our fourth year you fly fish yeah oh yeah but you're not fly fishing you come back in july for fly fishing this is fly fishing but you've got a fly bobber it's a fly and then you got that tiny tiny bug i mean you can't even see it and that's what you catch them on so you fly you're using a fly rod yeah but you have a bobber and a little tiny the bobber the bobber is a basically a big moth or something okay holds it up right right bobber bobber cork yeah yeah so it's just a different kind of fly fishing what you're doing because you're not you're in a boat you know fast that water's moving right and you just go down through there and they move it to the jets and jetties and stuff and so you find like the pools where they're waiting and you just like you just find that goes boom yeah man oh brown trout yeah it fly fishing is a completely different thing it's very it's very skillful i like fly fishing too we did that last year in july and didn't have near the didn't i mean we didn't catch hardly anything to be honest with you yeah i mean maybe five or six a day that's a lot for fly fishing we caught almost 110 hours really yeah a hundred trout that's crazy don't say where you were people are all going to swarm that place i don't know i don't know i don't know i didn't bring my phone i'd show you pictures yeah it was it was crazy wow i tell you something funny i carry i carry oh yeah we're filming i figured we were i carry a baby jesus with me let me tell you what happened you carry a baby jesus baby jesus like from the manger yes jesus right jesus we call it baby jesus okay okay oh so it is yeah grown up jesus has a beard and catch anything. So I reach in my pocket. I don't know why, looking for my knife. I don't know what I was doing. And I had this baby Jesus. I said, oh, my son-in-law's in the back. I said, I got baby Jesus with me. And I set him on the box facing me. You ready, Joe? One, two, three, four, five, six. Six giant rainbow in a row. So my son-in-law's in the back. He's going, turn baby Jesus towards me. I turned around. I took baby Jesus toward him. I went, nah, this. We caught 12 rainbow anywhere from 15 to 20 inches. That's big. Yeah, that's big. That's a good rainbow. So. So the guide, I mean, he got a little tripped out. He said, hey, man, you're kind of messing with me here. That's kind of got me a little screwed up. I started laughing. I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here. So we kept it all day. Before I left, I gave it to him. So he said, I'm going to use this every day. So it was kind of fun. I don't think that's something you should use every day. I think that that should be like for special trips. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish. I don't go fishing every day. But yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying? I didn't. I didn't need. I wouldn't normally need help. But trout fishing, you don't need help. I'm bass fishing. And yeah, I'm pretty good on my own. But if things get desperate, I'm not. I mean, I don't want to push it. I don't want to push it. Oh, by the way, Jeff died to me. Say hello. Oh, you know Jeff? Yeah, I do. I know. I did two years of. Better late than never with him. Oh, I love Jeff. Good dude. Solid dude. Man's man. What's with all the whiskey? Did you bring that? Yeah. I was wondering. You don't drink. I'll drink. I quit and then I came back. I quit for eight months. Not really like I didn't have a problem. I just health reasons. I decided it wasn't a good thing for you. That's smart. Do you have your own Terry Bradshaw whiskey? Yeah, we've had it now. Come on, son. We've got to have a glass of that. Seven years. Do you drink? Yes. You better. I drink this. You're selling whiskey. You better. Yeah, I drink this. Let's have a drink. This is our 12 year that just won all the Golden Awards and Spirits. Oh, nice. Yeah, won all of them. So age 12 years? 12 years, 13 now. I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that and they're like, we have a dude. Well, yeah, that's what you drink. But once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that unless they're a sponsor. They are a sponsor. Okay, there you go. And they're nice guys. Okay. And I respect them. I mean, that country, that company's been around long. Long. Long. Longer than America. Long time. They started in 1773. I mean, when you go back to study whiskey. Yeah. Well, they claimed that Elijah Craig was the father of bourbon whiskey. And they do research and then they don't have it back that far where they can actually say, because Elijah Craig was a preacher. Oh, really? Yeah. So that frees me up. A preacher who made whiskey. Yeah. Wow. So anyway, that's. That's award-winning 12. Jim, can we get some ice and glasses? This is our original. This is our two-year. This is the original brand right there. We still have that. What is the original? It's two-year aged? Two. Two. Then with our yeast, we were able to make it taste like four to six. Okay. And so now. And then we don't do that anymore. And then this is the. This is the good stuff right here. What's that stuff? Six-year. Six-year? Oh, yeah. That's good. So you got 12, two. And six. Yeah. Actually, 12, four. Can you really tell the difference? Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, I'm going to tell you right now. This is 145 proof. Whoa. Okay. That's a lot. This is 108. 103.8. This is amazing. This is a. Why does the older stuff have more alcohol? Is it because of the. Is it because of the process of aging? Yeah, because it's also. This is a bourbon that. It's a single barrel bourbon. And when we brought it out, you leave it in there, and this is what it turned out to. Now, we could dilute it by simply putting water in it and dilute it down. This is 103.8, and it's 51.9 proof, or proof alcohol. This, this, 149. Bust it out, Terry. Let's go. If we bust it. How long are we playing on talk today? Let's talk for a couple hours. We may not be able to make a couple hours. We'll give it our best shot. Okay, we'll do our best. We'll do our best. Who can open this? I don't have a knife here. Jamie got a knife? Oh. Yeah. So we started this. Jamie throws everything, but he didn't throw the knife. No, I'm mad, Mark. Good man. A lot of. You know what I noticed coming over here today? A lot of tattoos in here. Yes. Yeah. A lot of tattoos. You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo-free. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of tattoos. He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back. Are you still doing that, Jamie? Is that like a bullseye? Stand up. Wait for a good drawing. We've made a deal. I'll do his face, he'll do mine. Oh, my God. Anyway. And I'll have, like, young Jamie and, like, gothic script on my back. You know, the thing about bourbon, I don't know how to explain it. I don't know why I fell in love with bourbon. I find it to be. First of all, it's the only thing that's. It's only in America. Bourbon is only bourbon if it's in America. Right. And I think it's only bourbon if it's made in Kentucky. A lot of Kentucky people feel the exact same way. I mean. You ready? Yes, sir. Okay. Let's go. Time to party. I'm just gonna. This might be the best show you ever have. All right. I'm excited. Yeah. You will be after you drink that. Let it sit. Smells good. Let it sit. It smells good. Let it sit. This is the 12-year-old stuff. And what is it called? Rachel Bourbon. That's the name. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is presented by CBS Marshalls. Luke Grimes is back as Casey Dutton in Marshalls Season 2. 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We only have. Bradshaw bourbon. Look at that. We only have 15 cases left. 15 cases, I think they told me. So this is a limited edition, and then we have to come out with some new stuff, but this is actually 13 years old now. So you obviously started this project a long time ago. Right. I did. You've been aging it for 12 years. Well, I did. Cheers, sir. Thank you for being here. Here's to you, Joe. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. Thank you. What happened. I don't know why. I went to my. Hey, wow. You got to let it sit. Yeah. That's got a kick. We're going to try this, and then we'll try this. Okay. And you'll definitely see the difference. But I was going to my. I went to my dad, who's father. Someone's driving me home today. Yeah. My father's father was an alcoholic, and I went to my dad prior to him passing, and I said, hey, dad, what would you think if I got into the spirits business? And he says, you know what I think. And I went, well, I'm just asking you. And he says, absolutely not. And I said, okay. So I shut her down. My dad died. Oh, wow. It's 12 years ago he died. My mother died two years ago. So anyway, so after his passing, two or three years, four years, I was sitting around, and I was trying to. I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen, he says, what do you do to make a living? I said, well, I work on Fox. I'm a broadcaster. And he says, is that it? And I said, well, I'm a horse and cattle breeder. I raise registered cattle. And he said, well, I'm a horse and cattle. And I've been in the breeding business, training business with quarter horses. He said, oh, okay. He says, is there anything else? I said, well, I get public. I speak for corporations. So he was trying to find out, and he took a liking to him. And he says, basically what he was telling me, you should brand yourself and not have to travel so much. Yeah. Because I travel. 250 days last year we traveled. That's a lot. That's a lot. But my wife travels with me, so that's good. That helps. Yeah. What do you want to do with. Baby Jesus. Let's sit him right here. Sit him right there. See if any fish flop out of the sky. I got him facing you. We'll see what happens. And anyway, so he said, basically, you ought to brand yourself. Get into something that you can. And I said, well, I don't really know anything. I know football. I can talk football. I know how to make people laugh. I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a program in the speeches. I know quarter horses. I know how to. I know how to select horses, show horses. I know how to train them. I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now, and I have people for the breeding part of it. And I said, in cattle, I know the bloodlines and things of that nature, but I got people doing that. So I just got this. I never forgot that. That's William Cole. He's a pretty smart dude. And so we're. I'm home. I think it was kind of a rainy day, and I'm sitting there, and my little brain's going. I'm going, you know, what do you want to do? For some reason, I was going, what do you want to do? Because I remember one time, I remember one time I got real uncomfortable because I didn't have a normal job. So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company, and I said, do you have a job? Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry? And he said, yeah, yeah. He gave me $5,000 a month. So I had to go to work and put a tie on. And a coat, because I wanted to be like everybody. Everybody goes to work, but me. I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be a week, two weeks apart. So I got two weeks of golf, and I got, you know, and I just got. When was this? This was 30 years ago. So 30 years ago, you decided to get into the cosmetics business? Yeah. Just to do something? I wanted to be. I wanted to have a job. Really? I know. Wow. I wanted to be like, I wanted, I think I wanted to see, I wanted to see how America works. People get up and kiss their kids goodbye, and their wives or husbands, and they go off to work. And I, for some reason, I felt guilty. I didn't have a job. I know it's stupid. I know. It's interesting. So I got a job. Now, here's the thing, Joe. My office was right on the road across the street from the office. I was in the office. I was in the office. I was in the golf course I was a member of, and I was watching my buddies come up the fairway, and I'd stand at the window, and I'd look at them, and I'd go, I should be playing golf with those guys right now. Yeah. So. How long did you last? Two months. I couldn't stand it. I'm telling you, man, I couldn't stand it. Most people can't. But I can't explain it other than I just felt. Guilty that, you know, people say, well, athletes, they got, you know. It's true. They got all this money, and they got this, and they got that, and. You smoke cigars, Terry? I do. You want one? Yeah, I do. All right, let me get you one. I want a really good one. You got them? Oh, yeah. Hey, I. I love. Hey, that's my wife. I've got the only. I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house. Really? You married? Yes. I can't smoke in the house. Oh, see there? Everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads and all the crazy artwork and Jimi Hendrix and all that jazz. Yeah. It's like I let her decorate the house. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's beautiful. It's very. My house would look like a 16-year-old boy won the lottery. That's what it would look like. Well, I can understand that. I don't know why. Racing simulators and fake werewolves. Why my wife lets me smoke. But if she said I don't. She loves you. Yeah. That's why. Oh, you're saying yours don't. No, my wife loves me too, but we make concessions. Okay. All right. So anyway, I. But I have a pool room, like where I play pool. In the house? No, it's out. Oh, outside. Out in the barn. And I go out there and I smoke. I have a cigar. Yeah. This one, sir. Oh, bless you. Yeah, this is good. You smoke Cuban cigars? I do when I can get them. But you know what I mean? How? There's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban. They're lying to you. There you go, sir. I think out of all the counterfeit stuff. This is going to be the greatest interview I've ever been a part of. You're going to have a good time. Not only are we going to drink award-winning bourbon, Bradshaw bourbon, by the way, and we're smoking. This is an amazing cigar. Yeah, shout out to Foundation Cigars. Wow. What is this? Dominican, I believe. No, Nicaraguan. Yeah. Is it Our Fathers? Is it Our Fathers? The name of the company? Yeah. No, it's Foundation. Foundation Cigars. I've got to get the name right. This is called the Tabernacle. This is his. Foundation Cigars. Yeah. Good, right? Oh. Legit, right? Yeah. If I had your kind of money, I could afford these. Foundation. I'll have him send you a box. Give him to me for free. Seriously? Yeah, he's a friend of the show. Can I get like a monthly delivery? Yeah, I bet he will. I bet he will. Just make a little Instagram post or something. He'll be happy to hook you up. I got this friend. He built our house. Huge elk hunter. What? Which I know you are. And so, he goes out and he shoots this massive elk. I mean, this monster. The bottom of his horn was like this big round. Just massive. Seven by seven. In Idaho? New Mexico. New Mexico's big. And look, Joe. Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico. Yeah. Shot him with a bow. He's a bow hunter like you. And so, he brings it home. Now, he's got his fireplace. All right? He's got. Two over here. Two over here. Well, you got to balance it up, right? Right. One right in the middle. So, he gets his horn. You got the European mount? Yes. That's what he does. So, he gets his step ladder. He got his horn. He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do to hold it. And he's putting it up. And he's looking at it. And he's like, oh, this is good. This is good. He takes a ladder and he moves that, he goes gets in his chair and he's admiring He's firing his trophies. And it falls down. No, no, no, no, no. The wife walked in. Oh, no. And she says, what are you doing? He goes, look, babe, seven by seven. Look, two, two, one in the middle. Perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here. Oh. What? Get that out of here. That's not going up there. Baba, get it out of here. He had to take it down. You know where it is now? Where is it now? Garage. I know. It kills him. That's not good. I said, give it to me. I'll hang it in my living room. My wife doesn't care. That's not good. Massive. Yeah. Get it out of here. That's not what you want to hear. Fight night is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet. 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Redeem one non-withdrawable reward. Availability varies. Predictions offer void in New York. Ends June 28th. Terms at dkng.co slash audio. I only have one in my house. It's the first one I ever killed. Yeah. I have that on my wall. That's pretty impressive. If you shoot an elk or anything with a bow and arrow, you're close. Yeah. It's a lot of work, man. Yeah. It's not easy. It's not easy. But I look forward to it every year like nothing else. Do you go out for two weeks, a week? A week. Usually a week. A week at a time. Yeah. You go to Mexico? I haven't been to New Mexico, but I want to. New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there. That's supposed to be like one of the best elk. That, Arizona, spots of Utah just for volume, spots of California. Montana's got big elk. I don't know about Wyoming, I know Idaho, Utah has huge elk, I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this because the one time I went elk hunting, I gave my trainer, my horse trainer, my tag. Oh, really? And I just followed him. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was cool. And he shot this huge six by six. Oh, that's cool. So you gave him the tag and just went along with him? Yeah. I just went along, stayed behind when they had, we got down, crawling around. It was, hey, it's an impressive animal. Impressive animal. You've never done it? I don't hunt. You don't hunt at all? Just fish? I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff. I get it. Yeah. I get it. I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat. Okay. Or, I even have a hard time killing a mouse. Really? Yeah. I don't know what it is. Snakes scare me. Centipede? I'll crush a centipede for all he's worth. Then put him in a grinder in the kitchen, and grind that sucker up, and he might still be alive. You ever been to Hawaii? Got a hold of some centipedes? Joe. Joe. Joe, hear me. Loud and clear. They're dangerous. Yeah. Some of them are. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Oh, they're gross. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I'm not hunting. My brother's a hunter. My dad was a hunter. All my uncles are hunters. I don't know why. I never did mine. Hey, nothing wrong with that. No. You don't have to do it. It's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store. I do that. Yeah. But if you wanted to get it yourself, it's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoy. It's like fishing. I'll go fishing with you. I don't have to fish. I love to fish. As long as you're catching fish and having a good time, that's as much fun for me as any. Oh, mercy. Whoa. A big island man caught a foot-long centipede. That dude caught that on the big island of Hawaii? Hey, check that out. Hey, bud, look here. Right here. That's crazy. Yeah. That's. I didn't know they got that big. Oh, gross. Is that an invasive one? That can't be native to Hawaii, is it? Yeah. Hawaii giant centipedes. Whoa. How you doing? Is there a secret to this? No. Yeah. You flip the top. The other way. There you go. That's it. Now what? Pull that button down. Oh, this? Yeah. Oh. There you go. Sorry about that. No worries. That one, for some reason, that lighter confuses the shit out of people. Yeah. It's a pretty good lighter, too. Yeah. Yeah. That was gross, huh? Ugh. Yeah. You just don't want to kill an animal. No. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. But the thing is, if you don't kill them, they get killed by something. It's usually either winter or mountain lions. We raised 27 mallard ducks, my wife and I. You raised them? Raised them. Raised them. And so I told her this morning, flying down here to Austin. So I told her, I said, "We've got five ducks left." What happened to them? Stupid ducks. Now, we live way out in the country. What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing the river. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing. Stupid ducks. What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road. Oh, they get crushed. And they're getting hit on the road. Oh. Why? Why, I have no idea. But we have five left out of 27. Are you raising them for eggs? Or you just. No, we're just raising them for fun. For fun? Yeah. Just to have ducks hanging around? Yeah. That's cool. We have ducks, chickens, guineas. Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them? I'm not eating a duck egg. I don't know why. No? They're darker yolk. I know that. Yeah. You ever had a guinea egg? Guinea. What is it? Guinea. Like a guinea hen? Guinea hen, yeah. No, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. It's good for you, but. The duck eggs are weird. They coat your mouth. No. No. Like when you eat them, it tastes different. No. No. But apparently, it's massively high in protein. Yeah. We were talking about eating buffalo and elk, you know, coming in today? Sure. And I said, "Well, I've had buffalo and that elk that might. " Yeah. "Train her, kill." I can have all of it I want, and I got one little steak. My wife won't let me cook it. She won't let you cook it? No. So I have it. So it's still sitting there. It's just no wild game in the house. See? I know. But it's just meat. I know. You met her earlier, didn't you? Yeah. She seems like a lovely lady. She is a lovely lady. I don't understand why she has a problem with wild game. When we leave here today, go and say, "Hey, Tammy, how about we go over to. " Go over to the house and have a nice little elk steak and. That ain't going to happen. Some people have a bad misconception about wild game. They think that it smells bad or tastes bad. I think it's taste. I don't like deer. Really? I don't like deer. I like buffalo. I think it's how it's prepared. I guarantee you, if you had deer from someone who prepares it well. Do you eat duck? Yes. Do you eat duck? Yes, I do. We tried to cook some duck. Yeah. It's horrible. See, this is what we're talking about. Horrible. No. I think it's just how you're preparing it. Really. I don't know. I do know this. Mr. Chow's got some of the best duck I've ever had. Right. Mr. Chow's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills. Yes. Yeah. I've had that. That's where I eat duck. Fantastic duck. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now, that's good duck. I think they probably do a better job of preparing it. That's all it is. We tried to do the roux, the roux that you cook duck in. Yeah. It ended up looking like tarf. Right. Do you guys. But do you know how to cook? Well, we thought we did. We found out. Is your wife a good cook? Yes, she is. She is? Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them, because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good, and he got mad at them. He's like, "Listen, listen, listen. Don't say that. It's not that duck doesn't taste good, it's that you don't know what you're doing." And on the show, he prepares it for them. Got it. And they're like, "This is fantastic." Yeah. And they're like, "You prepared duck. It tastes really good if you do a good job." Mr. Charles got it down. Yeah, they do. They're chefs, professional. Yeah. But my wife and I, we got it out of the computer. Oh, okay. You got a recipe. Yeah. Yeah. So we got. A friend of mine sent us five mallards. Right. I think we got two of them out, but we didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what? I don't know. So you got to make a roux, right? You know, the sauce. Right, the sauce. Right. So we got the big pot out, and we're putting this in, that in, this in, that in. Right. Now you heat it, get it this and that, then you stir, add this and that, and we stir and we stir. And the more we stir, I end up looking like a rubber tire. It was horrible. It was seriously. But Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube. Never played football before. "Oh, let's figure out how to play football." We're going to watch a YouTube video on how to play football. Apples and oranges, Joe. And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit, right? Right. That's the same thing. It's like you learn how to cook from a recipe if you don't know how to cook. I've got a book out called "The Bradshaw Family Cookbook" and. So you can cook? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't cook stuff like that. Make a roux. Now my son-in-law, you met Noah? Yes. He's a world renown. Not a world renown, but he's number one. And voted the number one chef in Dallas. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's from Hawaii. What restaurant does he cook at in Dallas? Ham's. They hire him. Oh, okay. Does that make sense? They hire him. He does these, goes out and cooks for companies and people. It's amazing. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church and I said, I got some, I always mess up pork, pork chops. I love pork chops, but I screw them up. And he said, what you got temperature at? I said, 350. He said, 20 minutes, take them off. That's all I needed to know. Perfect. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. You just got to learn how to do it. That's all it is. But it's not that the duck tastes bad. Here's the bad thing about it. I know my, I know my banker, who's the one I got the ducks from, his name is Drake Mills. His name is Drake? Drake. And he has- Drake Ducks. And he has ducks. Ducks. He's a duck hunter. But his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. I know, but he's- How ironic. Serious duck hunter. Serious. He plants 500 acres of rice to shoot ducks. Oh, he's serious. Okay. Then he's on the phone with me bitching. It's 80 degrees. Ducks don't- I mean, they aren't coming in at 80 degrees. Right. His rice, and he's got water issues. Does he know how to cook duck? I guess. I never, he's never asked me what I want to eat. He's a duck, but I asked for some duck. He told me one day he had plenty of duck. And I said, well, tell me how, we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck. So he sent us five duck, ducks, you know? Mm-hmm. And that's so- So that's what you cooked. That's what I cooked. He cooked his ducks. Did you ask him how he cooks it? No, I don't think so, no. Probably shut up. No. Probably a good idea. Well, I mean, don't, the book. Right. The book, come on, Joe. Yeah, books are okay. The book says a quarter of something. Really, the right way to do it is to learn from someone who is a really good chef. I got to tell you, I got to take a break here. This is pretty dang good. It's pretty good. Have you had any more? I have. Cheers. We need to bump again. Let's go. I'm telling you, when this is over with- Let's go. You'll be sitting over there, and I'll be sitting over there. Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's 135 proof. Oh, it's good. But I think duck cooking, like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad. It's the best tasting meat in the world. It's just how do you cook it? That's all it is. You eat turkey, wild turkey? Yes, I've had wild turkey. Dang. Oh, you're crazy. No. It was delicious. I mean, the only way wild turkey, you eat squirrel. I've had squirrel. Yeah. Now, see, I grew up on squirrel. Now, you tell my wife that, or you tell any of my kids that, oh, God. This is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken. Would you agree? You're a stand-up comedian, so is that a funny? No, it's kind of chicken-like. It's almost like a- Squirrels taste like chicken? Well, it's not like a red meat. Do you eat the brain? I have not eaten squirrel brain. Yeah, none the brain. I've had lamb's brain before. Yeah, my Uncle Vinny used to cook it. They used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside, like sliced in half, and they'd put two halves on it. They'd put two halves on the grill, and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey, I was like 10. I don't know. Yeah, my brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head. Now, I don't want to- The squirrel head used to fight over it. I don't want to gross out our viewers out there. Too late. You take them, and you hit them with a spoon and rip it, crack it open. Delicious. I mean, now, would I eat one today? No. How old were you when you were doing this? Oh, I was- I know at least 15, up to 15. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think anything of it. Brains are sketchy. Like, eating brains can get you in trouble. Like, that's a- Can I honestly say this? Is this the first interview ever done where brains, eating brains has been brought up? Probably not. Oh, not? Have we talked about eating brains before? We have, yeah, for sure. We have? Yeah, definitely. Oh, for heaven's sake. Yeah. Well, I'm not special. Because of prion diseases? I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not. I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is. Oh, okay. Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows, cows. It's basically the same disease that cannibals get. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not familiar with that. Yeah. I know about mad cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas. Some kind of disease, yeah. Oh, the screw worm. Screw worms. Yeah, yeah. Bruce told me about that. Which can bother me. New world screw worm. You, horses, dogs, pretty much everything is screw worm. Yeah, yeah. It's apparently a huge problem. They had it in America, I think in the 80s. In the 80s, and they pushed it back, they got rid of it, so hopefully they can get rid of it again. But it's apparently a really dangerous parasite. Yeah, it's a parasite. I mean, I got in trouble one time for seeing people were having during the COVID thing, they were taking ivermectin. You may have taken ivermectin. And I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But ivermectin, I used to give it to the cattle. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I had, not speaking of brains, this is true, we were in Hawaii, I run into a brain surgeon. And he says, "Are you okay with the COVID thing?" And I said, "I had it, got over it, you know, I'm all right now." And he says, "Well," he says, "Boy," he said, "I take ivermectin, man." I said, "Brain surgeon." And I said to him, obviously, I said, "Really?" And he goes, "Well, it's a cattle dewormer, ivermectin kills parasites." So I just left it at that and I walked out and I go, "Brain surgeon?" I never could rationalize that kind of thinking, but you know. Well, you know, ivermectin won the Nobel prize for human beings, for use in human beings. No, I didn't know that. Yeah. It's good for yellow fever, dengue fever. It's an antiparasitic that also has antiviral properties. Yeah. I didn't know that. Obviously, I wasn't as well informed as you are. Yeah. Well, I got in trouble for it. So did I. Well, I got in trouble like publicly, like on CNN, the White House talked about it. I got over. You don't know the story. So, and for the people that know the story, I'm sorry, I have to repeat it. But during the pandemic, I got COVID and we had, me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville and I had to cancel it because I had COVID. And so I made a video saying. Yeah. I was saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows. I had COVID. I was sick for a couple of days, but now I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies, and one of the things that I took was ivermectin. Yeah. So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people saying that I was taking horse dewormer, well, human medication prescribed to me by my doctor who also took ivermectin, also got COVID, also got better. But they didn't take all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin, they made my skin look green on CNN. Like no bullshit. Oh. No bullshit. They AI'd you. They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green. They would put a cow's head over me. I honestly did not know that a human. Takes ivermectin. But I will say this- It was actually invented for humans. Yeah. I actually didn't know that. And I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody, and he wasn't the only one that told me that. Well, the problem was that was a narrative that was all over the news, is that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, with cows- Cattle. I only knew it was cattle. Yeah. It is a dewormer, but that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No. Well, they use penicillin on animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines. That's what ivermectin is. It stops viral replication. And that's the benefit that a lot of people- But was it proven to stop? Was it proven? There's a ton of studies. There's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it, but there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. Here. You need this? I got one over here. Thank you. But the reason why they wanted everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money. And that's what they did. Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money. A lot of money. Yeah. A lot of money. So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up, because I got caught in the crossfires of the ivermectin bullshit. This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe. Some security systems aren't that secure. Say a burglar breaks in, alarms go off, police are called, but they still have time to grab stuff, damage your property, and get away. So yeah, not very secure. 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but i took you know i'm one of those guys that if they say i mean when i when i got uh covid i was sitting in my dressing room at fox felt fine felt fine we got tested every every sunday morning we got tested they came in and said you got to go you got to leave you got to go you got to leave what happened oh you've you got you got covid i'm like what did you get sick no oh now here's the thing okay here's the thing the question that came to mind later was okay the guy that drove me over here the guy that's going to take me to the airport how am i getting home right do i stay here in the hotel for 10 12 days that was my dilemma what do i do but i did get sick i did eventually i did yeah it took me about four days and i got real sick yeah did you do anything during those four days were you taking vitamins nothing no why not i don't take vitamins what i don't know how come you're married to a doctor i never i never have taken vitamins i don't know why really no even when you're playing no not take b12 shot okay but i gave it to myself you give it to yourself yeah intramuscular uh yeah okay little tube we take it after i just had him in a big bag okay that's good friend yeah but there's tired hot tired but yeah sure well other vitamins too though i don't have a problem with mri machines pet scans surgery no no i got a bad hip right now i'm telling you joe it's killing me yeah and i got it injected with stem cells with the injection no no i don't do stem cells why not i don't believe in stem cells you don't believe in them no but you believe in little baby jesus absolutely this i do believe in go ahead and laugh that joe you don't want to laugh when i got baby jesus pointing at you better cut that listen bro you better shut that down if you and i go fishing i'm gonna beg you to point that baby jesus my way i'm gonna give you one i got hundreds of these if we go fishing i really want to point my way i believe yeah i believe that little baby jesus works but my question is how come you don't believe in stem cells i had too many people based just on people that went did stem cells uh-huh and what happened they went back and did it again okay did it again right then what happened what happened they went back and did it again okay then what happened what happened they went back and did it again got it okay right why'd they keep going back because it didn't work okay didn't same symptoms came no no no it worked it worked for a little bit right well what are these people dealing with what's wrong with them they're going back and back and back mostly knees right ankles okay so you're probably talking about our arthritis yeah probably talking about degenerative knee conditions ankle conditions so the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells you're going to get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone but stem cells work i don't you know good i'm glad i'm glad they work you do stem cells 100 what what hurts well i had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away now that's at least a year that's what you say at least a year i had a full length rotator cuff tear i got stem cells shot into a full tear full tear my doctor told me i 100 was going to need surgery i went to an orthopedic surgeon that the ufc recommended so they sent me to their guys joe excuse me please go but if i finish this i'm probably gonna believe you you don't have to believe me or not believe me i'm telling the truth so i went to this doctor he said you have a full length rotator cuff tear you're gonna need surgery he goes you could rehab it if you want you could try maybe make it a little bit better but ultimately you're just putting off the surgery so i get this stem cell treatment in vegas dr roddy mcgee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment and then six months later he gives me an mri and he says the rotator cuff tear is completely gone he goes i've never seen anything like this in my life he goes it's gone it literally the tear doesn't exist in your pocket no i had science all right hey it works you'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people don't know about this and the reason why so many people are doing it and the reason why so many people are doing it is look it's not a miracle it's not going to fix things that are unfixable like like bone on bone arthritis it's not going to fix that but it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief which is why these people keep going back again and again and again when i got cancer i had to do um certain treatments and i have rheumatoid arthritis now if i were still on my rheumatoid arthritis medicine which i haven't been for three years now um i probably wouldn't be having the pain that i'm having but you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation and so do you want to risk that plus plus i kept getting all these um cancer things what do you say you had two types of cancer right you had skin i had bladder and merkle cell which is two percent of america has two has merkle cell both of them the bladder cancer was was uh i went to a doctor in dallas he checked me and he says well you got a little blood in your urine but that's fine that's normal or something like that and i kept complaining i just went on finally i told my wife i said boy something's not right and so she researched and found the best doctor was at yale university yale so i went up to new haven connecticut for testing went in exploratory biopsy came out and said you got bladder cancer wow it's a funny story about that funny story now there's nothing funny about cancer but i the last time i got divorced you ever been divorced no okay good good for you so the last time i got divorced my wife calls me and she says i need for you to sit down i don't love you anymore i want a divorce oh all right end of that story right so my wife's the wife's sitting outside after they get she gets reports i didn't know she got the report she says honey i need for you to sit down i ain't sitting down i don't want another divorce that's the first i laughed into my head the last time i heard a woman tell me sit down i need for you to sit down my ass is out of there at five o'clock that afternoon oh yeah oh yeah boy hey that's a lot yeah that was i wouldn't sit down she said that day she said you got bladder cancer and i said all right all right at least we're not getting divorced i deal with bladder cancer i can't deal with another divorce you want to hear a crazy story about stem cells and bladder um let me ask you something let me tell you something let me tell you something about stem cells they made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells she had uh some sort of a bladder issue i don't remember if it's cancer or what it was but she had to have her bladder removed they made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue and she had to remove it she had to remove it she had to remove it she had to remove the tissue put it back in her body and now that's her bladder so stem cells work did that make the news yeah oh sure there's articles written about it peer-reviewed papers you've been here no she has not been here nor has the doctor that did it but uh i'm aware of the story it's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl i don't know how they did it because i'm a moron but someone someone very smart when it comes stuff like that someone's very smart figured out how to make a bladder but it works for you and you believe it or who am i to what do you mean believe it like she she's got a bladder now if you believe what fine but i mean i mean fine that's listen if you ever get injured holler at me i'll bring it away as to well get you some stem cells and then we'll have another conversation afterwards you're like wow it fixed it that we're not arguing here no we're not arguing what i'm saying but i just there's there's real reasons why these people travel to tijuana and go to these different places and they die in tijuana what was a great actor that went to mexico to have all the stem cells done and who did that um he was uh the ghost uh what was his name uh the actor uh also um went to mexico died two two actors went down there for stem cells when stem cells first came out you know they they wouldn't do it remember when they wouldn't do it in america yes so they were going to germany uh-huh and they were going to mexico yeah germany was a lot for reginokine yeah they were going because i know different couples was going to germany well i mean kobe bryant went to germany peyton manning went to germany they went to germany yeah for reginokine yeah which is like Yeah, that's not stem cells as much. That's something. What is it? It's a very advanced form of platelet-rich plasma, like PRP. It's like PRP, but it's way more effective. I had that done, too. That cured a bulging disc for me. Now, one of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is. I don't know how we got on this, by the way. Stem cells. Yeah. But cancer is now, what's it called? Where you go in, they spin your blood, and they then put it back in you. And what is that called? Do you know what it is? PRP? Is that what it is, PRP? That's what we were just talking about, platelet-rich plasma. Then reach it and put it back in? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Look. Well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma, phoresis, that's another thing. They take the plasma out. I don't know why. And I'm not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy. All right. You did it. You wouldn't be the first. No. You did it. You believe in it. It happened for you. You know. All right. I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot all day long. Okay. You put anything in your body with a needle? Anything? Not anything. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it. Yeah. I would hope so. Yeah. I don't just try it out. No. I just want to see what happens when I put this in my body with a needle. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's, look, I got a sister-in-law, this one, that's totally this way, and I'm totally that way. You're one way, and I'm, and that's good. That's what makes the world go round. What does a sister-in-law do? What do you mean? What does that mean? Is she a liberal? No, absolutely not. Very much Republican conservative. Yeah. Okay. So how is she different than you? What way? Well, if it works, and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it. Right. I was, when I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, and I'm laying in a hospital, and they take me, and they isolate me. Isolate me. Because they didn't know what was wrong with me. Test, test, test, test. Boy, I'm in a hurry. Then to go in and do, I want to say stem cells. I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind. Went into my knee, and I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine. And then they released me, and I went home. And I was home one day. And in the middle of the night, I was in the hospital. In the middle of the night, I'm screaming and hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up, and thank God, at that time, I owned a plane, so I could get on the plane and get back to Florida. And got down there, and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis. And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with me. So is it only the knees? Yeah, only the knee. Okay. Only the knee. That's where the knee, I never, there's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. Really? None. You can't find it anywhere. But isn't rheumatoid arthritis systemic? When most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought. Well, yeah, but look at. But if you have it in your. Yeah, but look. This finger's just turning. That thumb's just now turning. My hands, right now, because I'm not, I don't take any medicine. The only thing that hurts in the morning before I take, I take a, do you take Celebrex? Do you believe in Celebrex? What is Celebrex? Celebrex, anti-inflammatory. No, I don't take that. Okay, I take an inflammatory. I take an anti-inflammatory in the morning. That's all I can take. Okay. Okay. I take an anti-inflammatory, and that makes, that takes about 80% of the pain away. It doesn't hurt anywhere else. Now, my hip is, you know, starting to kill me. My ankle was killing me. How about, how many years did you play football for? 14. 14. Professional. That's four, that's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional. And I, and I played back in the 70s when, I mean, come on. Yeah. Shit hit the fan. It hit the fan back then. Right. What were the surgeries like back then? You know, you, I mean, it was tough. Yeah. Back then, they'd shoot you up. You know, you, you're going to play. That's how it was. Right. You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles, and they would shoot me up before the game, and then at halftime, I'd get shot up again. What were they shooting you up with? Stomach block. I tore, I tore the, the oblique. You tore your oblique, and they just made you keep playing? They didn't make me. But you wanted to. I wanted to keep playing. You wanted to keep playing. Cortisone or something? I don't know. Stuff? Stuff. I don't know. Joe, I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor? I'm not a doctor. Hey, let me just say this. I can play, all right? I get it. I didn't have a problem with it. Okay. It worked. Scary. You don't want your legs up in the air, and some doctor coming in there, and didn't give it, didn't give it a thought. Okay. At all. You know? Just, it's, it's kind of the way it was. It was the unspoken bravado. You got it. Yeah? You know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Football players, they, back in the, can you imagine the 50s and the 60s? Oh, my goodness. Jeez, Louise. Well, what year did you start playing professionally? 70? 70 what? 70? 70? 70. 1970. Wow. Yeah. I'm 77. Wow. You're what? 50? 58. 58. Almost 59. Yeah. I'm 77. Yeah. Wow. I'm 78. So, I just didn't think anything about it. I said, well, how'd you get used to all that? I grew up with it. When you grow up with it. It's true. It's normal. Normal. Yeah. It's all part of the, you play. And as a quarterback, I think back then, or any time, quarterbacks play. Coach has got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there, and no matter what. And I even had one coach say, hey, you always play hurt. You always play hurt. Yeah, I do. No, no. Shoot me up. Block it. Shoot me up with stuff. Yeah, let's have it. Stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You don't ask what it is. You just, you know. I, I, you want to hear us. We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the game, there's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up. Whoa. Yo. Yeah. It's just normal. And you don't know what they were shooting them up with? Well, we played, didn't we? I told you. Stuff. And you didn't think anything of it. Nobody. Right. It was just normal. It was just normal. Normal. Normal. Normal. You got to play. Yeah. He's a doctor. Hey, it's part of the, you know, everybody, hey, you know. Did they have steroids back then? Yeah, they did. Yeah. I just didn't, I didn't know why, why one player was built like Atlas. Skin tight, muscles bulging. Didn't know, you know, didn't know anything about it. Howie Long, you never had Howie on the Howies. No, I've never had Howie on the Howies. Howie's amazing. Now, Howie tells this story. Howie, he was a rookie defensive tackler, no, defensive end at this time. He lined up over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around, and he was, had like a 22-inch waist, massive legs, ripped, every muscle. You could see the muscles in it. It's the most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. And he put his, he put his arm, he put his arm down, you know, getting in position. And Howie lined up over him, and Howie tells us Howie's the best. And Howie goes, you. God, I'd be effing kidding me. He said he'd never seen anything like that. So, I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that, but he was something else. But he might have. Might have, I don't know. He might have. Some people were. Yeah, might have. What year did steroids enter into sports? Well, I think it came, I think it became an issue after the 70s, correct? Well, it was an issue in the Olympics. And one of the things they were noticing was Eastern Bloc women. Yeah, I'm going to do an interview. Okay, Nancy. They were very womanly. Yeah. They seemed to. And then those women reported about it. They talked about it back in the day, you know, that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life. Not good for you, that's for sure. Oh, especially for a woman to take, you know, hyper male, for sure, for a woman to take hyper male. You and I could probably sit here and talk about certain athletes that have had such a body change. Mm-hmm. All right? Yeah, for sure. And go. You know. Yeah. You've got to be kidding me. Yeah. And then I think, rightly or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that. Wouldn't want to mention that. I'd say it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know a lot of guys who have taken steroids. Wow, man. Especially because of the early days of the UFC. Yeah. Everybody was taking steroids. Yeah. You can't. And Pride in Japan, everyone was taking steroids. Yeah. Not everyone. Not everyone, but most people. Rampage didn't. But there's a good percentage of people that did. And what you found out later, that steroids are not good for you. They soften the tendons, the ligaments, and then all of a sudden, these athletes start having problems. Mm-hmm. They start getting hurt. Yeah. Start getting hurt. I think what happens is the muscles are too strong for the tendons. Oh. Because tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation. But I don't know anything about steroids. I don't know. I don't know. The dynamics or the physics of it. Mm-hmm. I know the muscles get big. Right. But the tendons don't grow to match the muscles. Exactly. Okay. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured to heal. So what happens a lot of times is these guys develop these massive muscles, and they can move so much more weight. But the tendons haven't really caught up to what the muscles can do. Yeah. And a lot of times- Tomsey's Guys wind up blowing out tendons. I mean, that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of those guys look like an Adonis. Oh, yeah, especially back in the day. Hey, Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger, yeah. Was there? Yeah. Well, he's open about it. He took a lot of steroids. You know what? We know it. Someone say it. Yeah, yeah. We're not stupid. Well, that's a sport where it's required. If you want to be Mr. Olympia, there's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids. It doesn't exist. What about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that. I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that. But I'm sure a bunch of those- No, no, no. Okay. No. But I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it, too. That's how you get big. And if you're a wrestler and you want to be on WrestleMania, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it. You've got to take steroids. It's not a normal physique for someone to attain. And you don't get tested for it. Yeah, exactly. That's why the early days of the UFC, there was no testing. And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions. And then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commission's testing because it's only one day. So it was really more, they would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test. Yeah. And so then they started using USADA, and USADA would just randomly test people. And then they started catching people. And that's when physiques really changed. Yeah. You know, that year, I'll say it. That year when those baseball players were hitting 60 home runs like it was nothing. Yeah. And you're looking at them, you're going, sheesh. Summer is great, isn't it? It's the perfect season for adventures. 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I met Barry when he was normal-sized. Yeah. When he was like a normal athlete, and then he just got giant. But also, he was a great baseball player first. First. And then you give him all those steroids, and now he's got all this muscle, and he's just cracking them out of the park. Those are the good old days. They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away. Boy, I'll tell you one thing. I don't see nothing. They should have. Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go. That's from Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen. That's me. I said it. We'll be back in a minute. The problem is, it's the great American pastime, and you don't want to associate the great American pastime with what people think is cheating. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Look, there's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the Hall of Fame, and they're getting barred from the Hall of Fame. That's true. Barry's one of them. Barry was a great player with that. Fantastic player. Yeah. Mark McGuire. And so was Mark McGuire. And so was Sammy Sosa. Yeah. Didn't need it. No. I don't. Maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed. Maybe they didn't think they'd get caught. Maybe. These guys got giant. I don't know how they didn't think that people would notice. They got enormous. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, hey, it is what it is. I mean, it was a fun time, though. Yeah. Fun time for baseball. But, you know, I remember people asked me, they said, you didn't know your guys were on Star Wars? And hell, I didn't know what Star Wars was. I remember one time I was at the Hall of Fame. Someone said, that was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know, but not antibiotic steroids. Right. You took cortisone. Yeah. I didn't correlate the differences. And one guy comes up to me, you idiot. There's two types, at least we know of. And I went, I didn't know. That's actually funny. You know what? Let me tell you the truth. Tell me the truth. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, what's he on? I didn't look. I just, hell, they're lifting weights, brother. They're just lifting weights. God bless them. You know? Well, that's a good attitude to have. Yeah. And then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well, if that's the case, it wasn't illegal. Everybody was doing it. Right. Not only that, but let's be realistic. Most teams were on steroids. Because you're professionals and you want to do your best. And if you got a bunch of guys and the way they could do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be, they're going to take steroids, especially when it's legal. Yeah, it just. Especially when it's legal. You don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence, it was. Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you're going to have a bunch of people that want an edge. And, you know, there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids. Right? Yeah. Creatine is a very. Beneficial supplement that everybody should take. It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for muscle. I heard blueberries are good for your brain. Blueberries are good for your brain. Frank O'Hara, she used to tell me, Brad, are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, Frank, you're not going to believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you. Yeah, it's good for your brain. Good for your brain. They are. And I love blueberries. Yeah. A lot of antioxidants in them, too. Yeah. Yeah, blueberries are just great, period. Yeah. But, you know, when you're doing things for your body. When you're a professional athlete, it's, of course, there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids. Like, yeah, if you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it. Like, what are we doing here? We're lying. Do you think they do it today? Do you think they don't do it today? That's the real question. No, I asked you. They definitely do something. They do whatever the fuck they can get away with. Do you see how big these kids are coming out of high school? Well, there's also genetics. Like, people change. Well, kids, kids in our days are eating better, training better. Eating better, training better, more nutrition. Exactly. Yep. Exactly. They're huge. They're huge. You know, I think my offensive line in the 70s averaged about maybe 260. 260. Wow. 260. That's like a hundred pounds difference in today, right? Yeah. Now you're loving these coaches. My offensive line this year going to be 65, 372. And you go, whoa. Now, can they move? And then they'll say something like, but got quick feet. Okay. Got quick feet. I love quick feet. It's crazy when you see some of these guys doing the 40. Bob, you've been on the sideline. I've watched videos. I haven't been live. Go to the sideline. Go to the sideline. Seven feet tall, 440 pounds. That is crazy. Got quick feet. Look at that. Seven foot 380. Oh, my God. Look at that. As an eighth grader. Go back to that picture. Oh, my God. As an eighth grader, he was six foot 10, 450 pounds. In fucking junior high school. Junior high school. Yeah. Desmond Weston. Look at that. Desmond Watson. Look at that. Where's he going to school? He's 464 pounds. Where is he now? Heaviest player. Wow. Oh, he's in the NFL. Yeah. NFL history. 464 pounds. That's so big. Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could put on their pants and nothing rolled over. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. They were flat-bellied. They were in shape. Because we ran a. Our game was all about motion, traps and specials and leads and stuff like that. They had to run. They had to run. And they ran. And if they were 400 pounds, you're going to pull this guy at 400 pounds? I mean, so if I were coached today, just my thinking, what I want, I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I don't want a guy that you go, all right. We're going to do gassers. Billy John, William Earl, y'all go ahead and go on and get a shower. No, 380, whatever they can. They can't run gassers. Right. Right. You know, or run the mile. We had to run a Steeler mile every year when we got to training camp. Well, if you're 325, 35. Now, I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started. And I turned to Howie. Howie's always said, we're always together. I went, holy. Isn't there a utility, though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big, giant dude that maybe can't run gassers, but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall? Right. Maybe he's only got to go five yards. That's what I'm saying. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But that wasn't how I was brought up. Right. I understand. That wasn't what I was taught. But obviously, you're a fan of the game still, and you still watch the game. Yeah. How much has the game changed from when. like 1970, your first year in the NFL. - We're talking about it. - But like-- - Big! Could you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game? Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. Joe Green made the Hall of Fame at 275. Wow. 275. Jack Lambert, 218, admitted linebacker, Hall of Famer. How big was Jim Brown in his prime? Jim Brown? I never played against Jim Brown. Right. It was before your time. How big was Jim Brown? Probably 220, maybe 215. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. So, I always say, size-wise, we can't do it. And then, of course, if you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that. Right. But size-wise, size-wise. Now, I will say this. The wide receivers, the quarterbacks, the running backs could play today, and probably the tight ends. But then when you get, my center weighed 252, and I always say, since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull. I'll take my Angus bull over your center. I'll take your Charolais bull any time. Your Charolais bull is going to be, or Simmental, is going to be huge, up off the ground. But my Angus bull is going to get under him and be able to control him with technique. Wait a minute. You got bulls fighting each other? Is that what you're saying? No, Joe. You're not listening. I'm trying to listen. You're okay. You get some rest last night. I did. Okay, good. Fully rested. Worked out to me and everything. Right? Yeah. Got a big bull. The little bull can get under him. He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bull. Got it. The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little bull. I understand what you're saying. He's got all the mass and the weight outnumbered him. Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime. Woo! Right? That's a bad sucker. Bad as it gets. Baddest man ever. He came in a restaurant I was in and he saw me and he came over and he pulled up a chair. There was an owl and I'm sitting over here next to the wall and then there's dinner chairs here. He went over, he pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the owl, and we talked about Johnny and Ninus for an hour. Wow. Mike Tyson. That's pretty cool. Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes. That guy studies, he studies warriors and athletes and former generals. Really? Oh, he knows so much about Genghis Khan. Me and him, we had this long conversation. He knew his original name, which is Temujin. You know anything about Genghis Khan? Yeah, I did. I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I got pretty obsessed. There's a guy named Dan Carlin. He's got a fantastic series called Heartless. Hardcore History. Yeah. It's a podcast. And he had this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan. And that got me obsessed. That opened up the door. And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries, and I got obsessed. Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy. But he knew so much about Genghis Khan. He knew his original name, which was Temujin. He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand. Mike knew everything about it. Yeah, Mike studies, like, conquerors, you know? People wouldn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. He's a very smart guy. Yeah, people wouldn't know that. Mike is a very interesting guy. He's not what people think of. If you think of Mike Tyson as being this, like, mindless destroyer, no, he's very intelligent. And you ever think about. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. 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But prior to that, that wasn't out there. It wasn't out in the press, was it? No, I mean. Maybe later in his career, but. You'd have to. You'd watch a guy fight like that, and he fought so brutally. And if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand, like, the amount of thinking that has to take place to get that good. Like, it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right. He's cutting angles like a middleweight. He's doing things to these guys that they. They've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager was a guy named Jim Jacobs. A short guy. He was like 5'11 in his prime for a heavyweight. There's the bull issue right there. Bull, like 20-inch neck. I mean, he was a tank. Powerful. And his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian. And he had all of these old film reels of everyone from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchell to. Jack Dempsey, like all the old-time fighters. And Mike would watch those all day long. So he would train and he would watch these guys all day long. So he had an access to film footage that most fighters. All you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live back in those days in the 80s. There was no VHS tapes. There was no real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then. So when Mike. This is when Mike was like 13. So Mike was 13 years old and he's watching film. Of the greatest. Sugar Ray Robinson. The greatest boxers of all time. Willie Pepp. Rocky Marciano. He's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles. And figuring out, like, it takes intelligence to do that. Like, it's not a. That's not what a dumb guy would do. A dumb guy wouldn't see, oh, when he does this, it's because of that. So he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him. Beautiful. I'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to find those patterns in sports. I always thought, because you hear a counterpunch. Do you know how hard it is? And I'm not a boxer. But when someone. You watch their training and then they're like, when does this counterpunch? Do you know how fast that brain has to work for you to counterpunch? Oh, you have to be lightning fast. Lightning fast. And you have to have trained it a thousand times. You want to be hit all day long in the face and the stomach. It's a tough way to make a living. But so is football. And especially back when you guys were playing, when they would just shoot you up with stuff. Well, it was different for sure, but not boxing. Holy cow. I met Muhammad Ali one time. I was 6'3 1⁄2". I'm 6'1 1⁄2 now. And I was looking up to him, and I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed. And, you know, we had a great first-time meeting. He was a fan of mine. I didn't know it. And it was like, whoa. That made me great. And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at, and he would send notes down to me to come down and say hello to him. Well, you know, I'm going to bother him. And I'd go down, hey, champ, how you doing? It's Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, yeah. Hey, have you heard this one? He'd tell me a joke. A joke. That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali. Yeah, but I loved Muhammad Ali. That was an incredibly intelligent guy. And also the first guy to figure out how to get attention. By talking. And we hated him for it. I didn't like him. Did you like him? I loved him. But I was younger. Yeah, I didn't like him. I grew up in an era of respect. Right. You respect your opponent. You don't say anything bad about him. You give him all the praise when it's all said. You don't showboat. You don't do anything. You don't run into the end zone. You don't do this. And that's the way that I was. I was raised. And that's how. And actually the way I was coached. And I had a hard time. A hard time. When Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone. He'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all. And Billy White Shoes is a good dude, you know. But I didn't like it at all. I just don't like. I don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself. If you're playing tennis or golf. Okay, that's one thing because it's you. But when you're playing a a team event. Somebody else had to do that job, too. I just had a hard time with that. I see what you're saying. In a team sport. But in boxing, boxing is just one-on-one. But you still didn't like it even in boxing. Bragging. Now I look back, of course I love it now. But he knew what he was doing. Well, it's psychological warfare. That's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Liston so confused before he fought him. He would show up at Sonny Liston's house in the middle of the night and stand on his lawn and scream at him. He was just fucking with that guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and making sure that all day long he's thinking about him. And he also thought he was a legitimate insane person. The way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person. So he was worried all the time. So he was worried that you're around this insane person. You ever see the video where they met? Listen, if you can do that and back it up, which he did. He did. He did. Then I tip my hat to you. Did you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino? No. So Sonny Liston was at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards. And Muhammad Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, came up behind him. And he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy shit. And Sonny pulls out a gun and shoots it into the air. And everybody scatters. It was a blank gun. But he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him. So he said, I'm going to scare the shit out of this. You think? You want to play crazy? Let's play crazy. See if you can find that video, Jamie. The video's amazing. It's amazing. Because he just pulls this. And then he shows. He shoots. Here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. Grab these headphones. Yeah, pull it up. Bring it back to the beginning. Drawing a gun. Whoa! Yeah. The whole situation finally came to a head when Clay approached Liston at the Desert Inn in Las Vegas, where the champ was shooting craps and losing. Liston was in no mood to be harassed. He was stunned by the mouth from the south. Drawing a gun, Sonny fired, frightening his young tormentor into a hasty retreat. The gun was filled with blanks. So he shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank. That is crazy, though. So he was prepared. Isn't that funny? He had blanks. That's crazy, brother. That's pretty smart. Is it? Yeah, because you got this guy's acting crazy. Like, I'm going to out-crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody. But I'm going to out-crazy him. Give me a gun with some blanks. And just pull it out. Alex Baldwin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody. I mean, that's. Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns. Yeah, exactly. But. Well, okay. That wasn't even Sonny Liston. What do you mean that wasn't Sonny Liston? That absolutely was Sonny Liston. It says it's from a movie. Bro, that's Sonny Liston. Sonny Liston himself dramatizing retelling of his own life, the man with the gun is an actor, not Sonny Liston. Let me see that again. The casino is a movie set. What? That's what it says. So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened? There's no real footage of Liston firing a gun at Ali. What? The dramatic clip circulating online, the one in nearly every rare footage post, is a scene from a 1977 film called The Greatest. Oh, I saw that movie. So, let me see it again. Can I see the video again? That's crazy. There you are. That's crazy. I would have swore that's Sonny Liston. You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator over a narrator. Wasn't Sonny Liston bald? No. No, Sonny Liston wasn't bald. No? Oh, that isn't Sonny Liston. Well, the video's so blurry. All right, there you have it. Wow. That's not Sonny Liston. Oh, my God. I feel like such a dumbass. Find footage of Sonny Liston training. So, he was, back in the day, he was the scariest heavyweight. Sonny Liston. Sonny Liston was the guy. He was. Wasn't he in prison? What's that? Wasn't he in prison? Went to prison? Yeah, he went to prison. But it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson, it looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good. That good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought that he was going to get killed because, you know, Ali was a very good fighter. He was up and coming fast, really fast with his footwork and his movement, but everybody thought that it was going to get him. It was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. I recognize that guy, that actor. Is that the actor that was in Magnum P.I.? I think it is. The actor's name is Roger E. Mosley? Yeah, Magnum P.I. Aha! Look at you. Look at me. You proud of yourself? A little bit. I feel slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sonny Liston. So, find some footage of Sonny Liston training. Even on this, some of this I think has already got some AI footage in it. Oh, really? Well, there's footage of him hitting the bag. There's Sonny. There's footage of Sonny hitting the bag, and he would just put these holes in the bag. He had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy, and everyone was scared of him back then. You know, because he was this towering, hulking figure, Dr. Brianna had massive hands, and I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean, Sonny Liston was putting people away. I mean, he, look at the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands, and tremendous power. But, you know, Ali figured out a way to just fuck with his head. It didn't even look like the punch that took him out was even that big a punch, did it? That's the second fight. That's the Lewiston-Maine fight. Oh, that's the second one? Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston-Maine, and that one is very tricky because in that, so he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His hands were so massive, and his power was so extraordinary. That's just something. Were you boxed? I did some boxing. I did it one time. I did kickboxing, but I didn't do any, like, sport boxing. No, no, no, kickboxing. Oh, you get that. Bad enough you hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any part of that, but I boxed one time, one round. Yeah? And I said, that's it. That's it. Yeah. Again, it's like cooking duck. It's something you've got to learn how to do. You can't just jump in and think you're going to be good at it. Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it. Not only that. I didn't want to be hit. Yeah. Yeah, not fun. Well, back in the day, in your day, the way guys would treat getting hit, if you got hit, there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated. No. Nothing. Concussion protocol. Hop right back in, son. Are you awake? I played against the Minnesota, no, the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game, and I got knocked out. And I mean, knocked out. And I got hit. I guess I came, too, in the fourth quarter. I went back in. Played pretty good, too. Wow. Not bad. Lost the game, but yeah. So you got knocked out, woke up, and then they put you back in after you woke up. Well, something like that. Wow. I went out in the first quarter, I think. I scored on touchdown, kept it, got knocked out, and came back in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Different. Different. Different. Oh, yeah. Nowadays, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off? They get KO'd. They go into a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL, so they'll tell you to get him out. Right. And they go into a tent, and they get evaluated. More than likely, if they've been stunned, they're not going back in. How much time do they make them take off before they let them play again? But they have to get evaluated every week, so it could be. What is that? Little baby cigars. It's when you don't want to finish a big one. Oh. Little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos. Oh, okay. I like these sometimes. All right. So, but when they do that, and these guys are KO'd today if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30-day rule? No, it's not 30 days, but they do go. They go in, they keep getting evaluated, and they have to. You'll have some guys. Jamie says, there's no set timeline for discovery. There you go. Well, for recovery, rather. Players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms. Symptom-limited activity, prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise. So, with the UFC, when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them, like it's a 90-day hold. And then some of them have like 60-day no contact, so they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days. If you get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that, the best game I played in high school. The best game I played in high school. A guy by the name of Larry Brewer, I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Menden High School. I'm rolling to the right, and I think the ball hits my leg, and it hits the ground, and it's going, broom, broom. And I'm chasing it. And by the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it, I pick my head up, boom, out. Out. I don't remember anything. And then I'm back in the game, and I mean, it's the best game I played in high school. Joe, dead serious. Best game I played in high school. Maybe I wasn't worried. I don't know. That's what I was going to ask you. It's crazy. I wonder if that's it. I went in. Listen, I've been to a couple of clinics just for brain work, just to get all the tests that they could possibly do. possibly do, extensive test. i was having trouble remembering that i opened the gate that i opened the gate this morning right right where i did i opened the gate i'm sure i opened the gate and i pushed the button and when the button's green the gate is moving and then it goes red it stopped i mean it goes yellow it stopped then i push a button it goes red it's holding it's staying open six times i remember six times and i'm like did i push this button then i remember i remember okay there's something's wrong a second someone got checked yeah how long ago was this years ago years 30 plus years and did they do something for you um golly did they uh no i don't think so i don't think i i don't think anything came i remember testing i got tested and found out i had add which was which was not a shocker but was a shocker because i i think everybody has that yeah yeah everybody's any good at anything has it yeah creative people have add creative people and people that are like really into one thing yeah like full-on into it well they said well you're focused on this that yeah but when i'm fishing i'm focused right when i'm showing horses i don't have a problem exactly but if i'm taking geometry you're going to check exactly yeah no interest exactly no interest yeah yeah so that if i'm learning something i'm not interested in i have no focus i mean you're gonna sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people right right and i know you got to be interested in them you have to be interested yes you got to be but then i think there's people that don't have a problem being interested and they can study anything and god bless them i'm not one of those people i have to be interested in what i'm you had bradley cooper on love bradley yeah he did uh he's awesome with uh um the brain guy the atom bomb um oppenheimer oppenheimer he was in that movie well he directed it that's right and he was in it he was he directed it right i think no he did he did right he didn't direct it what's that that's right it's christopher nolan directed but bradley was in oppenheimer yes yes what was his role he's been at so many things i forgot in oppenheimer okay oh my bad what are you thinking of the music guy yeah he directed that and starred in it oh yes oh yes phenomenal i was i was trying to agree with you i was like what was bradley in oppenheimer i haven't seen oppenheimer in a couple years i was just checking to see if you were on you're paying attention that dude who played oppenheimer uh he won an oscar did he win an oscar at least he was up for it right yeah that guy is phenomenal and what cillian murphy cillian murphy well anyway he's phenomenal in piggy blinders anybody that can act has got my attention because cooper bradley's well real acting right real acting real acting i've done some sitcom acting that shit's pretty easy and you were probably joe right i played joe and i'm jerry bradshaw and i've done like five movies and people say oh man you're not no no i'm no actor but um like you know daniel day lewis type acting whoa that's him that's crazy yeah that's crazy that's bradley my god he was in makeup he was he was amazing in that movie isn't that crazy that could make it look that realistic that is nuts leonard bernstein hell there you go yeah did you see the movie amazing you see it i did not oh when you had him on here did you tell him you saw it i did not i would have probably i'm like oh yeah no it's like i had a guy we went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years i didn't know his name and this buddy of mine how you doing man get over here i'm like he knows this and they're going on give me give me a give me a hug you know you son of a gun and for why he did this i'll never know he goes what's my name what's my name he said that to him what's my name and i'm over there and i'm like oh my god this is hilarious that is hilarious he didn't have a clue he didn't have a clue well he probably forgot if he left the gate open too you know i mean give the guy a break may have give the guy a break but still he's had a few head things if you you know what i do all the time and i'll tell people this what look i don't what's your name again joe joe hey i i may ask you again right what your name is and then i may ask you again but i'm going to get your name right i don't want to sit here and and not know people get mad at that that i don't think people should get yeah i don't think i don't think you're gonna get because here's what it's just a thing that happens to people and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people oh do you know do you know what dunbar's number is no this episode is brought to you by chime and i know people don't usually get excited about banking but chime is doing something different and it's worth paying attention 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amount of relationships a person can maintain oh so yeah which one are you whoa whoa whoa where are you where you mean where where are you in the in the five you are zero your patient zero and five are the people that are very close to you so that's your support people okay and then 15 are your sympathy group they're not quite as close as like the closest people to you but they're pretty close and then there's a close network of 50 people now then you have a personal network of 150 people you have 500 acquaintances and then 1500 people that are recognizable you know what's funny i'll make this bad habit we all have bad habits my bad friend of mine i know henry winkler i know henry i know henry winkler too i did a movie with him once he's a great guy sweetheart and my my wife says and i'll say i have his number i have his number in my phone and i do have henry's number but i'll say well so and so oh because i've met them i automatically associate them with being my friend i do the same thing yeah yeah it's just my wife will say uh when you talk to him last well i haven't these people i haven't talked to for years and years and years they're still my friends yeah yeah i like a lot of friendly guy yeah i like a lot of people i do but in my circle we all surround ourselves our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with and we share common values common likes whether it's horses cattle my whole world is you horses and cattle horses and cattle the people that booked me for speeches are dear dear friends of mine howie dear friend kirk menifee different different different i work with him i love being around him tell him i love i have a heart i have a habit of telling you i love you joe i love you man i love you too i love you man and i do the same thing yeah yeah okay we're see do you really love him i do what it means it no what it means is i like you more than i just like you're just yeah i love elevating you a little bit here and my wife is so smart she's just like you really got their number i said yeah i got their number and their friends are yours yeah when's the last time he talked to well i hadn't talked to him in a few years hey but if you're friends with a lot of people sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody all the time there's friends that i'm friends with if i see him i'm gonna hug him but i haven't talked to him in years you ever you ever you ever told someone this you ever told someone this hey you know what before you became really famous we used to be really close and now we're not you ever said that No. Okay, I have. So before, when they're famous or you're famous? Joe, I've been famous a long time. Long time. Long time. Yeah. Long time. Long time. But I've actually, my problem is, if it's a problem, is when I like somebody, I really like them. That's a good problem. I like being with them. Yeah. And then you don't ever hear from them. But if you text them, they fire right back. And after a while, I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I? And I take it personal. Do you really? Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive about stuff like that. I mean, if we swap numbers today before I leave, and I'm going to text you and say, hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's the elk hunting? How you doing? Fine. And we get along great. And then two or three months go by. Why? I haven't heard from Joe. Hey, Joe, how you doing? Man, it's good to see you. I mean, how you doing? Oh, so you get upset if you're the one always initiating. I don't want to always initiate. I understand. I want someone else to feel the same way towards me. And that's insecurity. I know. I just finished this book. And the whole thing is, I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them. And that's not always the case. Well, you're a very friendly guy. I am. Yeah. I wish I weren't. Why? I don't know why. It's great. I like being friendly. Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story? Yes. All right, here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off the pain, because you've got to block the pain. And so you go on a 90-day trial and error. So I do the steroids, and I'm eating my ass. Boy, I'm eating everything. I can't sleep, and I'm eating. I'm doing a good job. I'm eating, and I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like 60 pounds. Whoa. Huge. Go to Hawaii. My wife and I are in Kmart. Nice Kmart. It's closed now, but it's a really nice Kmart. So we're in there, and we're getting stuff for the house and stuff. And we're going down the aisles, and people are like, hey, Terry, how you doing? You know, I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm on steroids. I put on quite a bit of weight, as you probably can see. You know, I'm a little embarrassed, but, you know, it's going to get it balanced out. Oh, yeah, sorry to hear about that. Hey, Terry, how you doing? Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm taking, you know, I'm on steroids. I got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to take steroids and get your balance. And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe, three or four times in Kmart. So we walk out, get in the car, and my wife, my wife who loves me to death, says, honey, honey, honey, listen, when people say, how you doing, Terry, they don't want to hear about steroids. They don't want to hear about rheumatoid arthritis. They just want to hear, hey, how you doing? They don't care. They recognize you, and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. I'm like, am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby, you're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe. I'm like, oh, oh, my God, I can't believe it. We cross the highway, and we go where? Brand new Target, massive Target, awesome Target. You know, yeah. Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do. I shop at Target. Do you? Yeah. I love Target. You go to Walmart? I've been to Walmart. It's been a couple of years. Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas, in Walmart. We get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart. It's nice. Anyway, here we go. We go to Target, and my wife's daughter told me, so we go to Target. I'm pushing the buggy, and we're going down the aisle. How am I doing? I said, man, you're not going to believe this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis. And I've been taking steroids, and I'm really put on a lot of weight. I'm really puffy. Now, I stand up. Joe, no kidding. And I lean down, and I pull my pants. I put this leg up where my sock is, and I push my sock down. And you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding. Right. And when I put my hand down, and I see that ring, I start laughing. I can't help myself. I just start laughing. You big idiot. They don't give a shit if you've got rheumatoid arthritis. I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing. Caught me. Caught me. Well, you're just a genuine guy. Yeah, what are you going to do? There's nothing wrong with that. No. Nothing wrong with that. No. That's way better. I'm not apologizing. Yeah. But sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with me. Yeah. But it's way better to be super friendly than the opposite. Is your wife super friendly? She's friendly. Yeah. She's friendly? Yeah. Is she friendly as you? Yeah, she's pretty friendly. Yeah. Can you go anywhere in Austin? Yeah. I mean, you talk to a lot of people. Yeah. You don't talk to a lot of people. You don't talk to people, but most people are really nice. So it's not a problem. That's what I think. Yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say hi. Yeah. Hey, how you doing? Shake your hand. Yeah. Give you some knuckles. Yeah. Take a selfie? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Take a selfie? Yeah. I like selfies. I mean, I don't see what the problem is. There's no problem. You're just a friendly guy. Yeah. But that Dunbar's number is what's going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's really all it is. I mean, you think about, you're Terry Bradshaw. How many people have you met in your life? You've probably met a million people. Like, literally a million people. But if you were in bad shape right now, you've got people you'd call. You've got a handful you could call. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. They really care about you? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that's how everybody is. Like, a handful. You have a handful that you really care about. And you know what? To take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort. It does. It does. And if you. 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man. You wear yourself out. I think we all. We start here and we. Yes. Yeah. Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately. Man, love. Are you kidding? Yeah. That is. Have you ever. Have you ever just thrown all your trust and love into your buddy? And then that sucker, 15 or 16, whatever, and just boom. Some of them, yeah. You go, whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen, but there's some people that just don't make it along the way. And then I'm the first one to say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I'm sorry. Look, I told you. I'm sorry. I had no. Then they do it again. Yeah. Look. Yeah. I said, I'm sorry. And then hang up. That's it. Well, some people just don't want to be happy. And some people. They don't. And they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or someone wronged them or something's disrespectful or something. Yeah. It's just distractions. Yeah. Most of it is distractions. It's a personality flaw. I had. This just happened yesterday. Did it? I'm not going to mention their name because they're. Okay. So I tell this. I tell this person, they had a stallion of mine, a young two-year-old, and they were showing it and they did a great job. I brought the horse home. Horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the World Show, which is the Super Bowl, but he needed another year of growing and training. So I brought him home. Crazy about these people. I've been with them years. I mean, the trainer was my first trainer ever. And that's been 40-something years ago. Anyway. So I'm over there. They came to church. I got them to come to church. I was singing in church the last two weeks ago. And they came. I asked them, come, I'm singing in church. And they said, okay, great. So they came to hear me sing. They loved our preacher. And they said, we're going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday. All right? They came back yesterday. We have a meet and greet during the service. I got up. I went, oh, man, it's great to see you. And not even thinking that. They had had this stud for so long and did a great job. I said, guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Bradley. And saw Bradley fell in love with him. And I sent him home with him. He's going to show him. Oh, Bob, it wasn't pretty. Got mad. Got real in church. Got mad. Got upset. And I just cold chills went over my mind. And I got to thinking, what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking. I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer. And they got this horse looking as good as he is. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer. And I'm telling him, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you. It hurt them. And it was obvious that they were very. One of them was really upset with me in church. And so the preacher's up getting ready to start. And I had to go get back in my seat. And I went to him and I told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man, I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with some of the trainer. I said, God, I would have never done that. I would have never done that. Had I been thinking, I wouldn't have said a word about that. Not a word. But since they had had the horse, I figured it was no big deal, right? My horse, I do with it what I want. Throughout the service, which was a great, great service, I was picking up on what the preacher was saying. I found myself during that service, you ready for this? Praying that God would help me go make things right with them. Because I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much. So when the service was over, and they were going, I went and grabbed, said, I am so sorry. I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking. I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and make that right. Because it just killed me. But that's great, Terry. That means you're a good guy. That's great. I hope so. Yeah, no, you're a great guy. That's a great thing to do, because you care. If you didn't care, if you were like, ah, screw them. What's wrong with them? Oh, I ruined my service. That's because you're a good guy. And I drive a long way to go to church. I really believe that. You wanted them to feel better. Absolutely. And I bet you did make it right. And I didn't do it. You didn't do it on purpose? It wasn't exactly. Of course. Of course. Well, sometimes people don't think, you know, I mean, some people wouldn't bother. You ever done that? You ever gone to someone and said, hey, I went to a guy. I told him 100,000 times how sorry I was. And I want you to know, he was my best friend at the time. And we have not spoken since. That's now. Well, some people are not that kind. That's not on me. No, that's on him. That's on him. Some people are not charitable. No. And they don't want to forgive people. They like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people. And generally, those people, their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person. This guy's life is not a mess, but I just. Well, why is it so touchy? Look, if you tell. Hey, look. It's not a mess. It's not a mess. It's not a mess. Let's say you say something here today, and it really upsets me. You're probably going to know it now that we've been getting in your process. Hey, are you okay with this? And I'm going to tell you, you know, no, I'm not. I'm not okay with that. Well, then I would apologize. That's what I'm. Yeah. My point is. And if you said something that pissed me off, I would. I think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately, too. But you've already said, I'm a good guy. I'm not going to do that. People don't mean to hurt people's feelings for the most part. Some do. Some people. Some people do. But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place, and you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them. No. But when you're close to someone, you love someone, you got to have some forgiveness. You got to realize that people are human, and humans make mistakes. Well, you've been friends for as long as I have been with this one person. I have another person. What was the issue? Issue was I made fun of him on the golf course. That's it? Yeah. I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I suck. I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad. No, I love to play, and I love to play with my friends and have a simple little $5 bet, and it's not much. Right. But I love to say, oh, nice shot. It's fun. Me. Me. I know I'm an asshole. Right. You know the bad side of you, right? Mm-hmm. You know that you're a bad side. I know mine. I know mine. Yeah. My wife calls it Roy. Oh, you have a different guy inside of you? What is that movie? True Grit? Primal Fear. Oh, okay. Do, do, do. Do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do. And he looks at me at the end. You go, had me fooled. You go, holy cow. So I took on the name Roy. So when I'm going into a dark area- Edward Norton's character? Was it Roy? Yes. Yes. I think it was Roy. That movie was great. Oh. That turn at the end where you're like- Oh, did it have you fooled? Yeah. Oh, I'm- 100%. I was like, what? I know. Great. At the end of that movie, I'm like, whoa. Whoa. That's another very smart guy. Edward Norton. I had him in on the podcast. You've had him? Oh. Yeah. Very interesting guy. Yeah. I find actors in general very- Well, they're really good ones. Yeah. They're- They are Cooper, I love. McConaughey, I've done a movie, I love. He's great. Great guy, too. Who else do I- George Foreman. Also very smart. Yeah, very smart. George Foreman, we did a show together called Better Late Than Never. Never got to know him in two years. Two years. Really? How come? He totally didn't associate with any of us. We had lunch, he'd sit over here with his son. Had dinner, he'd sit over here with his son. It could be, I would only guess that he's shy. He didn't like the fact that we drank. Oh. He didn't like the language that was used, because he's a preacher. Right, right, right. And I asked him one time, I said, George, how big's your congregation? He said, 120. I said, really, how long you been doing this? I think he said something, maybe 20 years. I said, because I've been taught as a Baptist and as a preacher, your congregation grows, right? Right, right. Right, your congregation grows. And I said, so how many, 120? I said, oh, wow, it's small. I said, you're building, you're growing. He said, no, 120's enough. And I went, 120's enough? I said, so George, when do you start preparing your sermon? Do you start on Tuesday like most preachers? No. Oh. You don't, so when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday? No. So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says, when I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say. Wow. Okay. You're going to argue with George Foreman? I'm not. But that was like, all right, brother. Yeah, I'm not arguing. But yeah, he was, I wanted to get to know him. He was friendly, but he was just. He was blocked. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time. A long time. And he's probably figured out how to block people out. And also, he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years. And, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him, you know? He knew better when he lost the thrill in Manila. He knew better. It was Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah. Okay. Well. Yeah, that was in Zaire. They both rhyme. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? They definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. He knew how to promote a fight. But he knew better. He told me that the hit that I took was nothing. But he said I was so tired. And I went, you're kidding. He said, yeah. He said the hit was nothing. Nothing. But he went down. He just, thank God I'm down. I can get some air and get some breath. He was definitely exhausted. Oh. That was a strategy. But he knew better. He knew what was going on. But he thought with his power, he'd break a rib or something. You know. Well, he had so much power. Oh. I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch. I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. Quick. He hit so hard. Yeah. George was. How can you be that quick? I mean, that big. Boop. Yeah. Well, that's his job. Impressive, man. Yeah. Oh, he was very impressive. Yeah. I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. I mean, that was another fight where Ali. He's expected to lose, just like the Sonny Liston fight. Yeah. And it was such an upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out. Really? Because Ali was his hero. And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time. So they flew him over there to cover that fight. See, you threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball. Because I'm going, Hunter, okay, yeah, okay. Who's Hunter? I had no idea who that guy was. You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is? No. Why would I know him? You never heard of him? The gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson? No. The very famous journalist. Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No. The Angus Weekly? No. No. He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You never heard of that book? No. The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson? He did write that. It's about horses. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of his best works. Really? It's a fantastic story. Hey, listen. That's Hunter Thompson. He was a maniac. When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex-wife, and I went to a big cattle sale. To your point about me saying, I don't know who he is. Now, I just played it off, all right? I didn't want to embarrass myself, but then I got to thinking, I don't know who this guy is. Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care. I get it. So I go to this cattle sale, this auctioneer. This auctioneer is out there, and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw. So I got my ex-wife there, the auctioneer, and a couple of his ring stewards, and we're sitting there talking. So I asked a simple question. So tell me, Mr. Auctioneer, what do you make the most money on in auctioning off stuff? Terry, we're really hitting a home run right now with limousines. Limousines. Now, see, my brain, I'm at a cow auction, and he's a cow auctioner. He's a cow auctioneer. Right. He's not supposed to sell cars. Right. Cars. When you think cars, limousines. That's what I would have thought. I was about to say to him, oh, my God, you mean to tell me you sell cars? And my ex-wife goes, you mean to tell me that you sell cars? And he goes, oh, sweetie. And I'm like, this is the funnest shit here, boy. That's hilarious. That's a dumbass. And he goes, no, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle. Oh, that's a limousine cattle. There's a limousine right there. You know what I like about this show? What? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen. That's Jamie. Jamie, you're amazing, man. He's the best. When he's sober, he is numb better. Serious. When he's sober? When he's sober. You should see him when he's drunk. Oh, my God. He's even better. But anyway, I thought, you know, I should write a book about some of this stuff. You should. I should. Why not? I don't know. I think I've got enough time. Yeah, maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone and have them tell all these stories. Yeah, you're thinking nobody would care about these stories. Sure they would. Nah. Absolutely. Edit them up. Do a good job with the editing. Should I start a podcast? Yeah. Terry Bradshaw experience? No. You know what? Joe, listen. You started this 15 years ago or something? Something like that, yeah. Do you have any idea it would be like this? No. No. So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on? Well, you would only do it if you like doing it. I would not like doing it. Well, then don't do it. I don't want to. Look, I got enough on my plate right now. Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you. And besides that, who's going to come on my show? A lot of people would come on the Terry Bradshaw show. I came on your show when you had a TV show. Did you? Yeah. What show was that? Remember you had a TV show? Yeah. Yeah, I was on it. I was a guest. When I had. The Fox show? Whatever that talk show thing you did was. Get out. Yeah. You were one of my star guests? I was a guest when I was on news radio. That was a sitcom. Yeah. Oh, well. I believe it was news radio. It was a long time ago. Oh, I remember. No, you don't. No, you don't. Oh, no, no, Joe. Yeah. You were great, by the way. No, I loved you, man. You were great. We talked about limousine cattle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hunter Thompson. What did you drink? Oh, you're drinking coffee now. It was a hoot. You were smart. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun show. I don't remember you. But you could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to, but you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast. I did a radio show once. How was that? It was good. It was good, but it was just hard to get people. Really? Yeah. That doesn't make sense to me. I will. Where were you doing it out of? L.A. Oh, so many people in L.A. How is that hard to get people? When I had my daytime show in L.A., I couldn't get anybody. Oh, really? I got Whoopi Goldberg one time. What are you laughing for? How was she? Was she fun? Yeah, she was a blast. Yeah, she was. She was the biggest thing we ever had on the show. She's probably fun when she's not on The View. Yeah. I don't know about The View. All those hands get together. I watched that show. I'm like, ladies, go outside. Hug a tree. I had Whoopi. You know who I really. Yeah, Charlton Heston. Ah. Now you're talking. How was he? Oh, fabulous. Yeah? I couldn't. The show could. I could have done three hours. I was just fascinated. He was so nice. You know, is there anything worse, Joe, than thinking you. And that's my understanding. You won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with. No, if I'm not interested in talking to them. Yeah, so I'm very honored to be here today. But can you imagine. Can you imagine. Can you imagine. Can you imagine having people on that are just jerks? Yeah. Ugh. Or interviewing them. And it's like, ugh, God. Where can I go here to get something out of this interview? You know, it's just, God. It's just. But, yeah. But Charlton Heston. I had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous. I gave him the whole. I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour. Just me and him. It was. That's awesome. It's kind of like this. He was amazing. Yeah. He was like one of the first big actors that was like publicly conservative. Remember? He was like. Well, he did the NRA. They caught hell for that. Yeah. Yeah. Was he the head of the NRA at one point? No, no, no. It was a part of the NRA. Part of it. I think he was. Did something with the NRA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he was. Yeah, he was huge. He famously was like, you can have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it. Yeah. My brother has. I don't know how many guns. I said, what do you do with all those guns? Man, you got to have guns. I said, Gary, he's got those rifles that shoot 5,000 rounds in 10 seconds. You know, what are those things called? AR-15. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. He's got five or six. Yeah, you never know when you're going to need a gun. There's a lot of people like that in this country. Oh, my God. They are. Yeah. Yeah. And I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all away. Everybody gives me guns. I don't shoot guns. You don't shoot guns at all? No. No? No. My wife only let me put a gun by the bed. I've been burglarized six times. Have you really? Yeah. Where do you live? I got shot at with a shotgun. This is how I can tell you that when you get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun. Flames. Flames. And I'm running in the backyard to get in my car, and this guy goes around the backside. Boom! And flames. Where was this? And BBs. And I get in the old GTO, 1970 GTO, yellow and black. Oh, man. Get her done. Yeah, boy. This is nice. And I got in. But I'm used to pushing the button or in reverse, you go down, right? Right. I pull it down. I turn around. I hit the brake. I go forward right in through the wall. Realized you got to go one click. Ah. Yeah. It was not good. It was not good. It was not good. Not good. But my wife won't let me keep anything. So where did you get burglarized six times? Ruston. Ruston, Louisiana. Really? Mansfield, Louisiana on my ranches. Yeah. On your ranches? Yeah. So they came onto the ranch. Yeah. How big was the ranch? 400 acres at the time. Oh, so they had to do some driving to get to the house. And they had to go through the gate. The gate I locked. So how did they get in? And you ever, let me tell you something. You were laying in bed at night. And it's 1 a.m. in the morning. And you feel the presence of somebody else in your house. All right. And a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this. I can't even begin to tell you. You can't breathe. And you don't. And I'm laying down like this. And I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're too young to know this. Remember, well, the princess phone. You know what the princess phone is? Princess phone? You know, everything we've been talking about today. You've been throwing all kind of shit up here. And you don't know what a princess phone. Do you know what a princess phone is? Are you saying prince phone? Princess. Princess. Princess. Princess phone. It's a phone. It was one of the first push button phones. You didn't have to. Okay. It's a princess. So I took my. Look at you. It does. That's a princess phone. There you go. Oh, thank you so much. Did you know what that is, Jamie? No. Look, look. Look, Joe. I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand. And I slide it over to my princess phone. I take the receiver off. And I take my fingers and I go across the dials. And I dial. And my uncle, who lives 200 yards away, I get the phone. Pull up to the microphone so people can hear you. Oh, I'm sorry. I pull the phone up. I'm laying back, trying so he can't see me or anything. And I said, Bobby. I got a burglar. He's at my bedroom window. He says, all right, I'm on my way. So I take the phone down. And you can see the guy hears my uncle coming. And this guy takes off. And he chases him down through the pasture. And he loses him out through there. I had another guy go through my house tearing up my kitchen. Same place? No, different place. Wow. In college, tearing up my dishes in my kitchen. And he was looking through the dishes? He was making noise. The only thing I could figure was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in a Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town. Come to find out, this guy was living in the attic over the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer, up in the office. So the only thing I could figure was trying to run me off. He ran me off. Or he might have just been drugged up. I'm out of there. I don't know what he was. He might have been on drugs. I wouldn't have been on drugs. I'm trying to find out. I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house, taking off. Same house? Yeah. Yeah. Six. Six of these I had. Jeez. You ever been shot at? So you were running away from these guys. What's his name again? I forgot his name. Jamie. You can call him Young Jamie. One more time, son. I'm going to ask you what your name is. Okay? All right. One more. I told you three times, right? All right. I got you down now. So this same place, why'd you keep getting broken into, this one place? I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. Oh. Another guy came down. He stole all my stuff out of my garage, all the chainsaw. He got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wipe me out. No security? No. No security system? Nothing? No. Nothing? I got dogs. Now, and now I, I have had, since Tammy and I, 22 years now, and I got a guard dog. But I will not leave my wife at home. My wife and I, in 22 years, have been apart two days. I will not leave without my wife. What kind of guard dog did you get? German Shepherd. I got him from Wayne Samanovich in South Carolina. Okay, so you got a trained guard dog. I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then I bought him, I got a female this year. Her name is, we named her after the Viking character Freya. Freya, the queen. Freya. So I'm going to breed those because I'm tired of spending $20,000 for it. So I'm going to raise my guard dog. Nice. Nice. And you know what's great about them? They're guard dogs. You don't play with them. Right. You don't rough them. You don't grab them. You don't tackle them. They do work. They don't mess around. Right. They're serious. Yeah, they're serious. They're soldiers. Yeah, exactly. You got a dog? Yeah. What do you got? I have a golden retriever. I love them. They're great. But he ain't guarding shit. No, I know. You're probably, hey, y'all, come on in. There's ice cream up there. If y'all open it, we'll share it. He'll let everybody in. And I have another dog. I've got eight dachshunds. I have another dog that's a King Charles Cavalier. You know what those are? The little tiny dogs? Yeah, I do. Oh, my God. He's so adorable. Yeah. He jumps in the pool, and he's just started. He's a year old. And he started swimming. Over the last couple months. And he gets so excited that he whines like you think he's in pain or something. He's talking. He's talking. He's talking to you. Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water. Really? Oh, he loves it. Two of my dachshunds talk constantly. Oh, really? Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason, these two, they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl. One's a black miniature dachshund. The other one is an Australian shepherd looking black and tan, you know, spotty. Oh, they are precious. But Baby Girl likes to get on my chest. When she's got to go outside, she gets on my chest, puts her chin right under my mouth. Aw. And I wake up, and I know exactly what's up. And I sit there, and I go, what time is it? And I'll go over, and I'll get the TV control, and I'll shake it. So the light will come on. Oh, my God. It's 11 o'clock. So I'll take them outside, and they'll go potty. And it's just good. Once, normally, a lot of times, never. But once, max. Last night, three times. Three times. Oh, yeah. 1.30. 1.30. Oh, what? You've got to pee again? So I slide to the right. Down off the bed, these two come. We go outside. I'm so sleepy. I sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole, and I'm like this. Their heads are in the doorway, and they're looking at me like, what are we doing? I'm like, you've got to pee, right? No, not really. So I go back at 3.30. Here I go again, and then they went to the bathroom. But this is, you know. So sometimes they just want to wake you up. They just, yeah. I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay? Me too. I got nine, ten, ten dogs now. Do you really? Oh, yeah. I got a- Oh, so ten dogs and two serious guard dogs. Two badass dogs. Yeah, so those are not pets. Well, the one guard dog is badass. The other one's going to be badass. Yeah. It sucks that you have to have that. And you know what? When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but I, what are you doing? What is that? This is Ultra. It's nootropic. Do you know what that is? No. It's essentially brain vitamins. Why? Because you don't swallow it. Because it's a pouch. Like a nicotine pouch, same kind of thing. Oh, so you're like, you've got a smoking addiction. Yeah, but it's not- You've got a nicotine addiction? This is not nicotine. What is it? You said nicotine. No, it's nootropics. Nootropics. Is that one of those things that you're into now? It's vitamins. It's like brain vitamins. Is it like ivermectins? No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients. Sorry. It sucks that you have to have- Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Listen, we're not friends anymore. Yes, we are. I'm upset with you now, and I'm never going to forgive you. You'll probably have me back on again. Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make fun of a guy playing golf, and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that? I was shocked. Yeah, you got off light. And I had another friend. You got off light. Yeah, I had another friend. That's a sensitive- Another friend I spent four days a week with, because like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job. We hung out. His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time, and then one day I thought, hey. We just recently passed away. I said, hey, man, I got us a tea time from Maura at 1.30. Call me back. Nothing. Hey. Nothing. Two days, three days, four days, five days, a week, two weeks, a month. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Never heard from him again. What happened? His wife didn't like me. Whoa. That's what I found out. His wife didn't like you. Yeah. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy. Yeah, I don't understand that. Not at all. Yeah, I think she's just jealous of our relationship. Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that. Will they separate you from your friends? That's a real fucking problem. That's a giant red flag right there. That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends, that's crazy. 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That's promo code JRE. Or go to LifeLock.com slash JRE for 30% off. Terms apply. Well, that's how it's supposed to be. And we had so much fun. Yeah, and that's what people like watching, too. I think so. I think you're right. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. People want to watch people that actually are friends. Yeah. That's giant. And we have fun. We had this one. I mean, you learn where you can go with your friends. Yeah. All right? You learn. Don't go here. Don't go there. Which is fine. You want to make sure that, because we're on live television, so you don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television. Of course. So you learn where to go. And you build that trust. And then that trust, because you have the trust, you become, you bond. You become, hey, how you doing? Hey, man, how was this week? How's your daughter? It's great. Hey, how's your wife? Great. I mean, it's just, you just get to, everybody hugs everybody. Hey, how was your week? I mean, it's, I can't even begin. The day that that show is over for me, and I hope I die on set, which is, I've always said, if I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe. Think about it. If I die on set, seriously, if I could just get a couple of words out before I go. A good one. I don't want to just. It's one last good line. I really do think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl. If I could just get something out. Yeah. You know? Forever. Immortal. Right? Right. Ah, great. Yeah. So I said, that's what, and that's the way I feel. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do, you should. This is awesome. To get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically. Yeah. Politicians don't agree with you. religious people, whatever, and you just sit there and you build this you know you get to know these people you ask all these questions or in my case i'm i'm just jumping around here that's what i did well he hadn't asked me about this i like a jump around is it simon jamie jamie i told you jamie just that's it no i got it oh no i got young jamie no you're thinking like van halen jamie's crying whoa whoa jamie's crying remember that song look i got it here jamie jamie young jamie jamie you married nope attaboy free man free ladies how old are you jamie old enough what do you say old enough what's that what's old enough old enough to know so how old are you jamie 43 hmm okay got a girl not right now oh okay he's free right now yeah ladies okay young jamie's on the prowl jamie you on the prowl sure all right where's your you there's a lot of good looking women in austin texas jamie there is it's a good good place you need some help good place to be a single guy for you bub let's go out tonight i guess we need to move on right yeah let's move but anyway i'm so in talking about that show it just well having a show like that where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer it is you want to listen do you want to turn on this a show like a pregame come on pregame shows right i watch them i go oh god especially if it's you ever done this shut up right shut up announcers pre guys doing game shut up right or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football yeah and you hear them talking you're like you know what they're talking about what are the stats yeah they get it all right here yeah you know and let me tell you something yeah i hate stats i hate them they're okay occasionally if they make a real point yeah but if all you got is well 50 and run third quarter when the wind's blowing out of the southwest yes if it makes a point in a big but otherwise right right right i remember once well anyway i was talking about all the guys and i love telling this story on howie howie is is my best friend on the show without question i mean we are we are so different he went to villanova i went to an engineering school at louisiana tech i got a college degree howie i'm sorry he didn't graduate i'm sorry howie don't hate me for his big ass what are you telling everybody i didn't grab hey i love you i shouldn't have said joe i didn't say that anyway so we're doing this show and we had jimmy johnson on the show jimmy's great oh jimmy was awesome so jimmy's telling this story all right and jimmy's jimmy tell it's a funny story and we jimmy starts laughing we all start laughing stray hand we're belly aching that's funny that's funny jimmy michael stray hands next director we got it all worked out it goes jimmy michael terry howie jimmy howie yeah howie so michael stray hand he adds to that story and it's even funnier oh my god stop stop right now okay oh now it's my turn now i've got it i've got it i got it you're a comedian you know you gotta you gotta match it at least right or do it one better i'm adding to what michael said to what jimmy said and we're rolling oh god stop oh this is fun this is killing me oh howie's turn how he looks at the camera the outside linebacker for seattle bucky buck halter sprang his ankle in pre-game warm-up and he won't be starting today for the seahawks uh jasper uh julian will be in his place out of kansas state what and i'm and we go to commercial break and i'm like three ha ha ha one i'm looking at howie and i'm staring at how i'm just like this he's turning he feels me he turns around and says what i said you can't help it can you help what you know what i'm talking about no i don't what are you talking about and i said you're boring i wouldn't have said it if i didn't know i could get away with it right and for the rest of the show he was hilarious because he said well you know being boring let me say and it was funny but yeah it was but you can't do that unless there's trust right you know right and strahan we made the first day strahan was the first day strahan was the first day strahan was the first day strahan was on the show we gave him half a cake he said why am i getting half a cake well you just got divorced you lost the other half so that's hilarious well if you can't joke around with people that's no fun no that's not a good relationship well you better know you better know who you're joking around with yeah but it's like you can't if you can't joke around with someone like what's the point that's what people do it's part of fun in life you should be able to take a joke you should be able to give a joke you should be able to have fun with each other just gotta know when just gotta know when sure i mean friends friends know when sure i mean i you know i i talk to howie all the time all the time and his son kyle just got signed with cbs for their today show which is oh that's awesome great great for him and he's good how we did movies for a while right how he was voted the up-and-coming star and he had these three young kids and he says i don't want to raise my kids in la where's the best place i can raise my kids and they found the school system charlottesville virginia he moved to l.a. virginia and took his kid there and quit good for him yeah that's having your priorities together i remember reading something about him talking about it like his experience with movies like he didn't like it well he didn't like hollywood he didn't like the whole thing and he he could have been didn't someone hit on him too hit on him i think some guys hit on him a guy hit on yeah is that he did find out that's true i don't know if i'd find that out yeah maybe don't look that up forget it don't look that up but the point being simon i mean jamie jamie i don't think jamie don't look that up because yeah don't look it up i think i might have made that up or somebody might have told me it might not be true but the point is like he could have been he did a bunch of big movies yes and he was on his way to being a big action star he was action star yeah sure i mean of course a giant guy yeah handsome good looking guy yeah great body perfect action star yeah and then just i like it when a guy realizes like this is you know life you didn't want to raise my kids in yeah also it's just like you don't want you know it's what what you think that life is it's not listen it's also like 16 hours a day i've done five movies and you've done i don't know how many and look i don't want to sit around yeah all day long and go and deliver one line exactly and here's the other thing i'm not ever going to be a leading man i'm always going to be terry bracho right right and that just sucks seriously you always want to be joe rogan no no no you would like to be given an opportunity to really act well if i actually wanted to act yes well yeah but but i mean some people they just don't like to do it and i think with i think with howie it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money it looks good on paper and then you start actually doing it and you realize like you're gonna be away from it and you're gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna five months filming this he was away all year one year doing um the firestorm and he was filming in vancouver he was flying in on saturday from vancouver and leaving on a red eye to vancouver and filming all week and i think it breaks you down three little kids yeah it breaks you down yeah it's not good for you you don't like it it doesn't feel good and i applaud him for that and he's not only is he a great husband great dad he's a great grandfather i'm a terrible grandfather you got grandkids no hey why are you terrible you know i just i'm gone all the time and uh it's kind of like getting that job yeah i gotta have a job i gotta go put a suit on if you have to travel you were saying that you give corporate speeches right what do you do like what are the what are those about speeches like what what do you speak about well i'm talking to a bank morning so i'm preparing a bank speech and then what do you say that like what do you say to a bank to a bunch of bankers uh i know what i know it's about leadership like i know yeah some of it's about leadership it's about it's basically it's basically all the things that i know joe have to do with ambition dreams drive goals failure overcoming failure how to deal with failure how to rise how to deal with success how to treat people so it's a little bit of motivational a little bit of psychology like you used early with me When did I use psychology with you? You know, you know when you did it, you know, right? Hey, Bernie, Bernie, he knows. And so you do different ones for different kind of corporations? Yeah. So it's like kind of like a team building thing. They get together and you give speeches. Depends on what they want. Interesting. When did you start doing that? I've been doing it 43 years. Really? Wow. I know. It's amazing. That's crazy. And how did you get into that? I gave a speech in Destin, Florida for Frito-Lay and it was taped and they paid me $5,000 and I was doing speeches for $1,200, $800, $50 and they offered me $5,000, $5,000. Are you kidding me? I go down there and it's for Frito-Lay. So I build this speech up and da, da, da, da, da, and I go give this speech and the speech is really good and they taped it and they sent me a VHS copy and my then wife put it on one day and thought, oh my God, this is really good and it's funny and so on. So she found out where the bureaus were, who books speakers and there were 10 really good ones and she sent this tape and a bio to 10 different speaking associations. All right? We got that through Fran Tarkin. Fran's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us on to it. So I come in and she says, I sent this off. I'm getting calls now for speeches. I'm like, what? She says, yeah. She says, we got, you want to do this? You want to do that? And all of them were for $5,000. $5,000. Are you shitting me? I'm getting five grand? Five grand. I'm like, oh my God, five grand? Really? I'm like, amazing. So I started doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for five grand. Wow. So I go to Hawaii on vacation and I'm in Hawaii and a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, WSB, they speak nothing. They book political speakers and they had Joe Theismann and Jim Valvano and maybe Lou Holtz, the three guys they had. So they call it the rainy day file and they've got a big box where they get all the. You know, people send them to them all the time. Hey, Joe, we want to come on your show. Okay, put it over there. Put it over there. Put it over there. And eventually you go through it. Oh, we ought to have them on, right? That's kind of how it went. So one day they're looking at these tapes and they're going, I don't know, spitting. Spitting it. Then they came across Terry Bradshaw. Hey. Hey, I hear this guy's pretty good. Really? Well, put it on. They put it on. They went, we want to sign him. So I'm in Hawaii. I get a phone call. It's in the morning. Hello. This is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We think you've got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Da-da-da-da-da. Please call us back. I thought, what? So, you know, it's Hawaii. It's, what, 7 in the morning? So it's what? It's 1 o'clock there at times. I call them. And they said, look, we think you've got great possibility. And we think we can book you and book you a lot. And I said, well, I'm being booked by 10 people right now. Why wouldn't I want to go one, one person? Well, we're going to guarantee you 50 speeches is $7,500 a speech. Excuse me? Did you say $7,500? I'm like, holy cow. So they said, we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, D.C. And we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal. So they did. And I did. We sat down. Fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a proposal. 50 speeches, $7,500. Add that up. That's a pretty good chunk of dough. So I signed. I'm with them exclusively now. And they said, we'll have you at $10,000 in six months. $10,000? You're going to book me for $10,000? Are you kidding me? That's crazy. Sure enough. So that's how you got into speeches? Yeah. So when you do speeches, like say of like a tire company calls you, whatever it is, do you write it out for that company? I never write it. I do not write a word. I cannot write. I write here. So how do you plan out a speech? I write here. You just sit around and think about what you're going to say. Exactly. And over time, what speakers do. Because I asked Jay Leno this one time. Oh, you're doing 100 stand-ups. And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year. And I do it. I don't change anything other than the name where I'm going. And so I'm like, oh. So I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno. Takes the same thing and then put tire company in there and build it around that. And what else I started doing? I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship. leadership um you know one of the guys i that came to hear me speak here in austin mcraven admiral mcraven oh okay have you had him on yet no oh my god the guy that gives the 10 points of success yeah i've seen those speeches texas oh yeah amazing fat the uh um osama bin laden he that's his that's his raid the whole thing was him he designed that whole raid amazing human being he's right here in your backyard you haven't had him you ought to be ashamed of yourself joe there's only so many days in a week you could do shows you know can't have everybody on okay man do you do a show every day four days a week okay what's the day off usually friday but it shifts it shifts depending on you know what i got going on but you know so i i i I build a show according to what they're doing and through all my reading um and i'm naturally i think i'm gifted enough humor wise that i've incorporated a ton of humor and i mix the humor in and i'm and i incorporate the audience and so did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better i wanted to get smarter i wanted to get smarter i wanted to be be yeah i wanted to be a little bit up on things you know i took psychology and marketing and all that in college but i i thought hey if i'm gonna make a career out of this get all the gather all the knowledge you can gather yeah and so that's what i did that's very smart i started reading all these self-help books and and you know what when you do read all that you find out it's pretty basic there is a common there's a common there's a foundation a common denominator that all of them have and i don't still i don't still material but i do still i do program my speeches i've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company that i did that once i did that once um i went on stage in vegas for a huge 5 000 people and i went out there and i'm you know i've got a style about me it's a freelance it's hey you know i work the crowd i get to know them i'm having a good time feeling good and i haven't even started my speech in the the meeting plan to the guy that only can let's give it up give it up terry bradshaw terry but thank you terry thank you so much terry bradshaw they escort me off i 10 minutes 10 minutes so there's three what happened why did they escort you off he he thought i didn't he thought i didn't know what i was doing i guess but that he obviously didn't look at my tapes and but i was just i was just having fun with the crowd before i you know i work my sometimes i sometimes i'll go right into it uh-huh sometimes i won't sometimes i'll hey hey you know i mess with them right i'm just having fun yeah yeah he out of there wow oh and very what kind of company was that um someone could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech yeah bad well some people are very impatient you know bad it was bad and i asked my wife in the car going to the airport you know when you what's wrong and i said what i do something wrong she said you did nothing wrong this guy just doesn't know your style oh so they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting excuse me i would imagine that i would think i would think name alone has a lot to do with all my you know 100 but that's what i was just gonna say you know and if you went for super you know pressure you know up and down you know how to deal with you get in the huddle how do you manage a huddle how do you do this how do you call plays yeah and i make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearm number four number four where i had to go second and eight okay look second and eight here we're there this one let's go let's go and they're like no no no wait a minute wait a minute no no i don't want to run that let's go this and this is it i've totally ran the huddle the whole thing what do y'all say can we do that no we can't what do you want to do that i ran the huddle i was smart enough as the chairman of the board in the huddle to say i don't have all the answers i i thought i did we're not doing very well here i'm going to try this play but what do y'all think and i got input oh is there anything better than input is there anything better than the people that are doing as a as a sales team you got a sales manager and sales teams going back said no no no no no this is not a good uh this isn't working they don't like this data and you change smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos right competition and that's how that's how i ran i ran the the huddle the huddle and speaking speaking is i know where i'm going when i walk on stage and once i get on stage i can tell within five minutes i'm going to change my direction and i can't been doing it 40 something years right i got you know eight hours of material not to mention all the new material i'm getting every week so i can change it and i've got to tell you you're stand-up comedian is there anything better than getting on stage and deliver a performance and they are just laughing at everything just rolling just rolling just rolling and you walk off and they're screaming joe joe joe and you're like god man i nailed it tonight and then you walk off and they're screaming joe joe joe and you're like god man i nailed it tonight and then you walk off or going out and go hey did you hear this then the other day what about that and everything falls flat and when you leave and you go off stage and you're are you not miserable miserable miserable sure you don't want to be miserable no you did everything you could to make them enjoyable i'm entertaining them i i want this to be a great experience for them and when you fail it's devastating devastating yeah yeah yeah so yeah they pay you what do you think they pay you to be it they pay you to be entertaining yeah poor jamie poor oh jamie sorry jay i'm sorry man yeah i mean i would imagine that it's a completely different thing but uh but having a guy like you go and talk to a corporation it's got to be very fun for them you know because you know your guys won the super bowl your guys like my speeches my speeches are do you know who joel holstein is i know the name he's the he's the preacher and joel olsen oh what did i say holstein like the cow olsen you're right olsen olsen right right yeah he doesn't go to church he doesn't know it's olsen yeah that guy he's a feel good does the giant yeah stadium preacher yeah god look at the mountain you see the mountain one of those good guys you know it's a good guy and people need that and they're going to need it in their life uh-huh i like to say it's there's another mountain out there but if you continue down the path you're going and i want i want i want my hand spanked you know i don't need it spanked i know it should be spanked but i want him to spank it's fine with me speaking when i go out to speak i'm a feel good i i want i'm a feel good guy you know unless they say to me here's where we're struggling and we need you to add this this and this oh so sometimes they'll give you a direction oh always they always give you a direction okay so they have like a purpose you always know where you're going yeah you always know what your audience is yeah well it sounds like you really enjoy it but that's a lot of you so is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year you're doing a lot of those oh i do yeah a lot of tuesday wednesday of this week then i'll get off i do 30 a year which is plenty that's a lot yeah yeah that's a lot when you're getting five million a speech i mean you got to think about it what do you think buck oh buck's over there he's like i'll be so glad when this boy's off oh he likes you terry thank you very much for being here man this was a lot of fun i really enjoyed it it's great to talk to you me too i'm uh thank you thanks joe been watching you enjoy you're smart thank you you're insightful you do your homework i helped you today though you did you helped me a lot yeah doing what you do is not easy i found out about limousine cattle yeah you taught me some things i know i know yeah you know how to fix a prolapsed uterus what's that show him jamie i'd rather not um so tell everybody how they buy this whiskey is it everywhere can you get is there a website we're in 11 states right now you can go terry bradshaw um bourbon.com you'll find out where we are in texas terry bradshaw bourbon doc there it is look at that there it is that's not a good picture i should have had oh look at the cigar joe solid picture yeah cigar that's an old man you're 58 yeah and look at that you got a serious whiskey sifter there what are those things called snifter those are good yeah that's like with your serious taste you know it it is the the thing about now people think boy he's making a killing off that whiskey i'm not i may make six thousand dollars this year six but we're building that we're building it it's slow whiskey is bourbon is slow man it has to age you go down you go down that aisle yeah five thousand and we've won all these awards all that we beat them all that's all beat them all congratulations thank you i'm so proud of that and the thing about the juice is mine i created this it has to be something that you love doing yeah that's not something you know it it could be it could be any other product i think it's just the fact that i get to go out and sell it i like well it's an aged product it's a different like if you were selling vodka or tequila something you could just make real quick no this is it's a different thing aged whiskey is a very different it took me a year and a half to get the blend right the blend the juice took me a year and a half before i agreed to put it in a bottle then when i put it in a bottle i wanted this is no gun smoke sit it on the count i wanted a gun smoke bottle and this is the original label and that's gunpowder gunpowder gray and uh the super bowl stuff is put on there by you know the bottling company which i didn't really i i that wasn't part of it it's you know joe you ever got to a point in your life when you go can i not sell something that's really good without having to be me right i know what you mean well it would have been like that if i had to be me i would have been like that if i had to be me i would have been like that if i had to be me you terry right can it not be just because it's good you certainly could do that yeah yeah my stud horses i have the best stud horses in america you know best and they're breeding world champions and i'm so proud of that and if the business is good you know but i don't have to sell them they're selling they're we have offspring that's but this is bradshaw whiskey this is this i there it is there it is all right but thank you thank you thank you so much i've been a huge fan for many years and me and me and thanks we didn't get into politics which i'm very thankful for i'm glad to yeah me too i bet you are i know i am enough enough enough of that in this world thank you terry that was fun all right bye everybody © transcript Emily Beynon