The podcast features a blend of personal storytelling, political satire, and speculative science. Jimmy Trim shares a heartbreaking account of losing his son, Billy, to a truck accident and subsequent death from a respirator, leading to the creation of memorial tattoos. The conversation then shifts to historical political duels, such as those between Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr, suggesting that physical conflict once resolved political disputes. This idea is humorously extended to propose that modern politicians might benefit from direct, physical confrontation to end toxic debates. A major segment explores the existence of secret underwater military bases, particularly U.S. nuclear submarines that remain hidden and capable of global destruction, with one submarine estimated to carry enough warheads to wipe out half the world. The discussion then veers into speculative territory, considering the possibility of advanced alien civilizations hiding in the deep ocean, citing unexplained phenomena and the vast, unmapped depths of the sea. A comedic subplot involves Joe Rogan claiming to be training to become a new race through ice baths and malaria pills, resulting in exaggerated physical changes. Throughout, the tone is a mix of serious reflection, dark humor, and absurdity, touching on themes of human vulnerability, political power, and the unknown. The narrative ends with a light-hearted, satirical tone, highlighting how far-fetched yet captivating the idea of hidden global threats and alien life can be.
- Joe Rogan, watch that, check it out. - The Joe, Rogan, experience. - Trim my day, Joe Rogan, podcast my night! All day! (upbeat rock music) - Jimmy Trim is here with Donald Trump is here. - Wow, I've made my day. - It was important. Doesn't matter what side. - It does it? - No. - There we go. - Um. - Wow, these are nice. - Jimmy Trim's snake. - Yeah, tapeworm. - There he is. - Oh, that's right. - Tapeworm, yeah. - What's going on with your face? What are you doing? - Ah, this is a tight one for me today, guy. (laughing) - I'm feeling ripe. - What is that? - It's a, it's his Betty? - Billy. - Billy. - Oh, B-I. - L-L-Y. - Oh, okay. - It's a, uh. - Woo. - It's a memorial tattoo. I don't know if you knew this or not, but, uh. My, uh, my kid got hit by a truck. - When did you have a kid? - About two years ago. I haven't told anyone. I was ashamed. It was a one night stand. Kid. - Is it a human kid? - Yeah. (laughing) - Billy. - You get hit by a truck? - Got hit by a truck. - Was he just walking? - Well, someone, and I won't say who left the gate open. And, uh, he wandered out into the street. And, uh, boom. Like, hit by a 18-wheeler. And, uh, this is like a memorial. - So you got Billy tattooed on your forehead? - I have two tattoos. I got Billy on my forehead, and I got a tattoo of his little face over my heart. - It was it. - Really? - Yeah. - God. - First of all, what happened to the one when you were attacked by the bear? - That healed up. This is Billy. - Billy goat? - He's a kid. - Billy the kid? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Poor little guy. - Poor little guy. He was a service animal. - I thought he was your son. - Well, he was my boy. He was a kid. - He was a kid. - But he said he got him out of a one-night's tent. - Well, that girl sold him to me. (sighs) Yeah. It sucks, dude. And, you know what sucks? He was hit by a truck that was hauling medical supplies. Okay? - How ironic. - Right, he's laying there. And to watch your kid bleed to death. (snoring) - He's just laying on the pavement like (coughing) just bleeding to death. - Amazing, he was still alive. - Well, I couldn't believe it. He was alive and a respirator rolled out of the back of the truck, a life-saving device, and crushed his head. - So he was killed not by the truck, but by the final blow of the respirator landing on him? - Right, so the irony-- - What are the odds? - Well, this is the irony in life, Joe. Like, he got hit by the truck, might have survived, a respirator rolled out of the back. These things weigh a good half ton. Lans on the kid's face, and gone. - Poor Billy. - So, memorial tattoos. - Well, you're a good guy. - I was a good-- - I would hate him. - Is that right? - Yeah. - How does goat taste? I haven't had it. - He's good. - It's pretty good, yeah. - Wait, you have? - Sure, first time I ever had it was in LA, at a Mexican spot. They were selling goat tacos, they were delicious. - Oh my God. - Yeah, and then I had a neighbor, well, not a neighbor who's a landscaper. That was a friend of mine that would, he would fight chickens. They would do chicken fights. - Cock fights. - Yeah. - Yeah, I've had those. - Trying to be polite, cleaning up for the viewers. - Well, chicken fights. - Cock is kind of the technical name. - It seems wrong. - Yeah. - When you're saying it. Have you ever, I don't like how you're saying it. But anyway, they would roast a goat. He told me whenever they would do a cock fight. - Yeah. - Feel better? - Feel better? - Well, it's not for me, it's for-- - For the culture. - For the kids, yeah, I mean, it is what it is. - It is. - A pitful fight. - I don't want a pitful fight. - Actually, I wonder how he sat in Spanish, 'cause he-- - Hell, cocko. - So anyway, he lived in this neighborhood. You would swear to God that it was Mexico. It was crazy. Like, every sign was in Spanish. All the people were in Spanish and it was roosters everywhere. He just, on his tree, he were here. (humming) Like, all day long, it was crazy. And so he had his friend of mine, a friend of his rather. He went to the backyard and in the backyard, there's just stacks and stacks of rooster cages. They had so many roosters and they had these prized roosters and they had a whole pit. So they had a thing. It was almost like a barn looking area. - Right. - And you go in there and there's a pit. - A cock pit. - And then that's where they were fighting. It was showing me where they would roast a goat. He said every time they would have a cock fight, they'd roast a goat and everybody would have beers and-- - Well, if you're gonna have a cock fight, you might as well roast a goat. - That's what I said. - But if I had a cock pit in my backyard, I'd get it like a Delta pilot and an American Airlines pilot and toss them in. - And let them fight it out? - Let them fight it out in the cock pit. - Who do you think would win? - Probably Delta, 'cause they have-- - The DEI program. - Do they? - Yeah. - Or in this game-- - They all do. - The DEI program, 'cause someone ain't coming out alive. - Well, I think we need pilots, so maybe you should do it with someone who's like overrepresented in the marketplace. Like what would we be like, we could get rid of some of those folks? - Who we could single out? - Yeah, yeah, it would be like, we've had enough. There's too many of you guys. - Yeah. - Politicians. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - Almost advocates. I'd love to see politicians getting a pit and fight. - Right. - Yeah. - Two men and two men, at least. I mean, that had to, how it went down a long time ago. - Yeah. - A long time ago. - Oh, you're talking like cavemen years? - Yeah, tribal days. - Tribal days. - Yeah. - Yeah, they probably had a fight. - Yeah, I think my opponent's piece of shit, he wants to steal all the coconuts. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, I think back then the hierarchy worked based on physical dominance, intimidation. Like, you'd be a good leader. You got, you got, you jacked. - Yeah, I'm not a good leader though. Because I'd be like, you got to do what you want to do. I'm not really interested in running this place. I got to get out of here. - Yeah. Yeah, it's because once you decide you're running it, you're stuck with everything. - Yeah, and all the problems are your problems. - Wow. - And everyone wants to kill you. Like, who the fuck would want to be president? - This is why voting for president is a real problem. - Yeah. - Like in 2028, it was like, who's gonna win in 2028? Who's gonna win? Who's gonna run? Who wants a fucking job? What normal, healthy person wants that job where at least half the country's gonna fucking hate you. And the people that you got in, that got you in, they're not gonna be happy. 'Cause you're never gonna be able to do what you're saying. You wanna do. It's not even possible. - Would you just put up, Jim? - I was gonna say, do you think they could start doing it again like they did in the 17800s? - Yeah. Made it here as a history, according to perplexity, our AI's sponsor. - Politicians fought literally with fists, canes, swords, and pistols. And some famous ones were killed or badly injured in these clashes. 1700s, 1800s, doing was a common way for gentlemen. And politicians defend their honor in Europe and the United States. That would be sick. If congressmen, you know, they start screaming and yelling at each other like they always do. - Yeah. - I challenge you to a duel. - Yeah, everyone's like, oh, let's fucking go out on the White House lawn. - Andrew Jackson killed Charles Dickinson? - Yeah. - The author? - It was wounded himself. - 50, that's not the author, is it? - No, no, no, no. That's Dickens. That's Dickens. - Okay. - I mean, that's a bad review for a buck when you go. - You piece of shit. - I didn't like Tom Sawyer. Boom. - Did Dickens write Tom Sawyer or Huck Finn? - No, no, no. That was Sammy Clemmons. Mark Twain. - Twain. - Yeah. - What the hell did Dickens write? - Oh, I don't remember. - The Christmas one. - Christmas one, the Grinch? - Which one's he wrote? - Grinch that stole. - Oliver Twitt, Christmas Carol's the one I was trying to think of. David Copperfield, great expectations. - Oh, he wrote that? - Yeah, Christmas Carol's the one I was thinking of. - Okay. - He wrote some great stuff. What year was, put that thing up again about the duels? Because, so Jackson killed someone in 8206. When was he president? - Later. - This is later. - Wow. - Yeah. - So he shot someone and then became president. He was a murderer and then became president. - And then he became president, did it in 1804? - Whoa. - J.D. Vance is going out and shooting the Treasury Secretary right now. - Well, this is crazy. They had a pistol duel with the Treasury Secretary. (laughing) Hamilton was mortally wounded and died the next day. - That'd be crazy to see right now. - Wow. - Wow. - I don't know how many of you have seen fights that the White House, maybe they could do that. - It ended this guy, Burr's political career. Let's scroll back up again there. And Aaron Burr. So it was the vice president, Aaron Burr. Shot the fucking Treasury Secretary. That's crazy. Former Treasury Secretary.
and killed them and then it ended his career. Even in 1804, they were like, "That's outrageous." But it's not crazy, that was just the 1800s. 200 years ago, they were shooting each other. And America's all about guns, so why aren't we just doing that now? It would end a lot of really shitty conversations. 'Cause a lot of people, they talk in a way, they say horrible mean things because they know there's no repercussions. Yeah. If they could just challenge you to a fist fight on the Senate floor, that was a thing. Yeah. We change a lot. 1856. Representative Preston Brooks of South Carolina ended the U.S. Senate Chamber and brutally beat Senator Charles Summers of Massachusetts with a cane. After Summers gave an anti-slavery speech, then insulted Brooks Cousin. Summers was left unconscious and badly injured. Whoa. Well, because he gave an anti-slavery speech, imagine? Why'd you hit him? You guys against slavery? Oh. Yeah. Did you use a weapon at least? Yeah, I used a cane. He's against slavery. What the hell? I don't know. Just let him be against slavery. Yeah. He insulted my cousin, the slave owner. Wow. Well, America's like kind of built on gun culture, so it sort of seems to fit. Wow. Also, combat, like, thank you, it's just a little more. It's like violence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That seemed like a good safe place to be, huh? Everyone's going to know where all the world leaders are going to be. We're all going to be stuck sitting in that spot for six hours, calling fights? Yeah. You're going to be there, right? Super safe. I feel completely safe. Yeah. Oh, I'm going to be there. Do you like the concept of it or no? I do not like it. How come, guy? Because it's outside. And I think world championship fight should be in a controlled environment. Yeah. At a respect for the athletes and how difficult it is to compete professionally in a world title. However, I should say, however, it's going to be a spectacle, whether I was there or not, I would be watching 100%. Yeah. It's, I think it's awesome that Trump, this is one of the things that I like about him. He's like, fuck it. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. He puts on cage fights on the White House long. That's nuts. He's fearless. Yeah. I like shit. I like that. Yeah. I like that. I don't like the Iran War thing, but I like that. You don't like the concept that I rank and no longer have new clear weapons. I think that's better than a UFC fight. That is a good concept. However, I don't necessarily know there's a clear way to get out of this. And if you know what we did in Afghanistan for 20 years and how much American taxpayer dollars and how many people lost their lives, but in Afghanistan it felt like they were just sweeping out like goat farmers and guys hiding in caves, whereas here there's a directive where they're preventing a rebel country from having a bomb that could annihilate portions of our planet. That's true. I think that's a much clearer and more positive agenda than wiping out guys living in the hills of Afghanistan creating opium. That's true. If it made sense. The problem is I had Scott Horton on the podcast explaining what is actually involved in making depleted uranium and making weapons grade and what would have to be done in order to get it to a bomb level, it's very difficult. Right. It's not as simple and they weren't nearly capable of doing that. Not nearly, but pursuing. It's a good question because he was also saying they were being inspected on a regular basis. And essentially this is Israel wanting us to go to this war. This is Israel wants to make sense if I was Israel. If we were America and Mexico had nukes pointed at us or whatever, it's not nukes, but you know I'm saying, if they did, if they were trying to build a nuke, if Mexico and America were constantly in conflict, and Mexico was trying to build a nuclear bomb, that would be a good reason where America would want to go fuck up Mexico. You can't have a nuclear bomb. This is Israel's position. Right. Right there with Iran. They're close enough. They're throwing missiles at each other. I get why they would want it. I just don't know if it's a good thing for America, and I don't know if there's a way out of it. Well, I think what we have to look at is the bigger scope. If not America cleaning it up, who does it? Who has the power and the wherewithal to do it? You know, we've used like two thirds of our missiles doing it. Yeah, but we leave this vulnerable if there's any other kind of a conflict. We're under armed right now. I don't think we're ever under armed when we have our Triton submarine force lurking in the oceans 24/7, and nobody knows they're there, even members of American military. What do you know? How do you know this? Oh, I know things, guys. Billy, tell you this? Billy. Billy's dead. Wait a minute. Do you know something about these Triton submarines? I sure do. What do you know? Well, they're circumnavigating our oceans 24/7. How many other? I think there's a fleet of 12 to 24. I think it's closer to 12, but these things can stay underwater for up to a year. And most members of our American government don't even know they're there. They don't know where they are. How much underwater jerk and off is going on right now? Well, think about it. One Triton submarine, Triton submarine has how many guys on it? I don't know how many guys, but it has something like 24 nuclear warheads and each warhead has 24 that break off. So one of these submarines could take out half the world, and we've got them going all the time. So whenever you're afraid of any little hot spot in the world, just remember that we have this going on in the ocean. A lot of people don't know about it. I like you say this, we shit when you're Canadian. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. When the shit hits the fan, Canadians like to pretend they're Americans. I like it. I'm just not worried. Like, I'm not worried about America ever being vulnerable. It's an area, it's the unnotical force that you don't really hear about. But if you were to look it up, there's this, there's this force out there that could take out the world. Well, Jamie just looked it up. Jamie, look it up. US Navy submarine force today consists of about 53, a fast attack submarines, 14 ballistic missile submarines and four guided missile submarines, all nuclear powered, that yields a total of roughly 70 to 71 nuclear submarines in the force, making it the world's largest nuclear submarine fleet. Why currently in the oceans is classified, except for people who talk to Harlan. Exactly. Harlan knows. The exact number of US nuclear submarines at sea, at any moment, and their locations are classified for operational security, the Navy does not release real-time deployment figures. Nuclear discussion instead uses overall force in general deployment concepts like continuous SSB and deterrent patrols rather than day by day counts. Okay. That makes you feel a little better. Well, you need not worry. And that's, you didn't even tap into the tritons. The tritons are the nuclear ones that run silent, so you can't ping them. You can't go, you can't, that's, that's, that's, that's pinging. That's sonar. What do you mean? Sonar to ping them? You can't ping them. They're nuclear. They're silent. They're silent predators in the ocean. Really? They're huge. And I told you, one, one nuclear warhead splits off into 16 or 24. So one of these, one of these damn tritons submarines could put anyone in its place at any time. So don't you worry about our missiles being depleted, Mr. Joe. Zachary Rogan. Zachary. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. If I know about submarines, I know about your middle name. Okay. I'm going to have to change my license. In current open sources, tritons submarines usually means U.S. Navy, Ohio class, ballistic missile submarines that carry trident to D5 nuclear missiles, and there are 14 of these boats. There you go. And so these boats are just floating around ready to fuck people up. So do you think it was a good idea to go into Iran, start bombing? I think whoever's the bad player, I think it's a good idea. If it was North Korea, Iran, Israel, Canada, Mexico, whoever's causing shit in the world, we don't have time for you. Let's get on, let's get in line, let's all work together, or you get a time out. We don't, we don't have time for this anymore. We're a society of sophisticated human beings. We got to move forward. There I am. Sonar guy. Look at you, dude. That's, that's me on a triton. That's what you're doing your spare time? Yeah. Right around the world, protecting things. They die your hair before you go into there? Sure get an old memory when he started doing that. Right. What movie was that in? Don Parasco. Don Parasco. Don Parasco. Look at you, dog. Yeah. But this is real, guys. So I'm just saying to you, don't ever fret. Okay. There's no one on earth that can threaten America. How did 9/11 happen then? Well, that, that was land based, that was terrestrial. And that was simple planning and box cutting and hijacking. And we're talking about global warfare and nuclear war. 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It doesn't matter. America doesn't lose. Is what I'm trying to tell you, my God. Are we still win when everyone's dead? Yeah, we're still win. The guys float around in the Indian Ocean, in the Atlantic, in the North Sea. So those sailors will be the new civilization. America wins even when they lose my guy. Maybe that's why the aliens are under the water. Maybe they're the ones that survived. You believe that? You're apocalypse. Yeah, I don't know about the aliens under the water. Timber Shet was on this podcast. What? What does he know? He said that there are three, do you say three bases or five? When your last name's bullshit. I don't know. What is it? It's a bullshit. He's a very honest man. So what did he say? He said that there's these three locations. I think it's three. See, three or five. I can't remember which one he said. Hang on, let me tell you. Five. So he said this is these spots under the ocean where regularly they have these events where things come out of the ocean. When you say things, are we talking giant squid? Are we talking extraterrestrial? We're talking crafts that move in a way that we can't right now, 500 miles an hour under the water. They're transmedia. I mean, they go above the ground and in the water with no, it doesn't seem like it's causing them any resistance. Yeah. But Shet said there are five underwater bases and in some reports, it's, it's phrases five or six. What? The clearest reporting says he pointed to five areas in the US waters where such bases could be. So they, there's a bunch of areas in the ocean. If you think, like you were going to hide something, that's where you would hide it. We can't, we don't go in the ocean that much, right? Well, we go in the ocean, but we don't know the ocean. It hasn't been mapped. I think we've only mapped less than 10% of the ocean floor. We know more about the surface of the moon than we knew about the bottom of the ocean. And so when they're, if they're, if they were here, that would be the place to hide. Just go to the deepest parts of the ocean where no one can go. Yeah. And you build bases. Because if they can travel here from another planet, James Cameron went to the bottom of the Mariana trench. Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. So he did that in 2012. If he can do that, for sure, something that can come here from another planet can also go down there and most likely set up a base. I'm skeptical. I don't, I'm not denying it, but I'm, I'm thinking if you're an extra terrestrial and you're coming to a planet like ours, what, what's the upside of going deep down into a trench that's, I think it's what three, four, five miles deep, the aerial eye trench. Aerial eye? What's it called? What's going on? Aerial is the thing around your tit, the tip, did you catch this yesterday? Probably maybe not. The new. Yes. Yes, I did. So Steven Spielberg's in it. Yeah. He's saying. He's going to cut your nails. You're freaking me out. Oh, wow. He's a nose picker. Some people keep him long to get boogers, Spielberg probably likes to pull out a crank out a greenie. Boy. Yeah. Pitcher Spielberg laying in bed at night, just cranking out a greenie and eating it. So he said that he believes that we are being visited much, I don't think he does that. He's respected. Look at those nails. Those are booger picking nails. He's just too busy to trim his nails. I don't know. He probably could have someone trim that on turning booger nails. You think that's what they look like? It looks like an eye eye almost. What if we had like one long coke nail? What if we had like one long picking? Like an eye eye. Like a fucking coke nail, bro. You ever seen an eye eye? Those dudes, they grow the pinky nail long to let everybody know they do coke. Pull up an eye eye, Jamie. What does that mean? You'll see in a second Dr. Coke nail. A-Y-E-A-Y-E. Maybe it's that ink from the tattoo. Show him the middle finger of the eye eye. Awesome. Well, look at that hook. So they have an elongated middle digit that they stick to deep down into coconuts and melons. And that's a Spielberg hook right there. Look at that, that's Spielberg at night laying in his water bed, picking greenies. I don't think he does that. I think he does. This one in his beard right there. I feel bad that I brought it up. Look, there's the hand. There's the eye eye. Yeah. Eye eye. And isn't it interesting, Joe, if we go full circle, if you're down into Trident Submarine and the captain says, "Press X572 and obliterate Iran right now," the operator would go, "eye-eye, sir." I don't think they say that. I think it's a Roger. Well, the guy's name is Roger. Why do they say Roger? Huh? Why do they say that name? Like, it's not Mike. Roger was based off of the Jolly Roger, the flag with the skull and crossbones. So the nautical term Roger came from that, Jolly Roger. Yeah, but the military used that too, Roger that. Right. But they adopted it from the Navy. Let's find out if that's true. Yeah. But what is Roger, the term Roger that, where's that come from? Has them looking that up? Do you know why pirates wear an eye patch? Because they cut their fucking eye off. No. Oh, so they could see better at distance? At night under the ship, because it's dark. Right. Yeah. It's for, you know, light. When you get accustomed to darkness, the more, why is having one eye closed? So do they put the patch over the other eye when they go under? At night. You switch. Whoa. They switch eyes. So they, they never have to get adjusted to the dark. Well, that's crazy. Yeah. Roger has to do with Morse code. That is actually kind of amazing, what a smart move. You put one patch over your eye during the daytime and one patch at night, and you can always see. Yep. Originally stood for the letter R, which is used as shorthand for received in Morse code. Yeah. So saying Roger means I received your message. Right. Interrested. And it also hankers back to the skull and crossbones, the Jolly Roger, to pull it out up. I don't think it does. Yeah. It is. It's a derivative of the cranial area of the tib- the tibious cross the cranial. Mmm. Jamie doesn't believe you. That hell is going on. I know where Jamie laughs. I know something's up. What is a Jolly Roger? No. Roger and radio talk and the Roger and Jolly Roger come from different traditions. Yeah. And they're not historically connected. Do you think this is maybe top secret information that you know? And maybe you just made a mistake by telling the whole world. Can I answer it with, uh, you've just been so hard, player. So imagine if there was a super sophisticated, uh, intelligent civilization that existed way before hours, like 30,000 years ago. And then they had developed underwater travel, space travel, all that jazz, then the apocalypse comes and the only ones that survive are the tried and summary guides that are in the ocean. Right. Maybe that's why all these bases are in the ocean. Maybe they're the last remaining survivors of a super advanced civilization that existed thousands and thousands of years before like Mesopotamia. But my point to you, joking point, valid, valid, I'm going to play, I'm not even refuting it, but I'm going to roll it around the old Canadian roll it around and I'm going to come back at you with an argument that if I'm an intelligent life force and I've got this sphere with oceans and land, why do I want to make life harder for myself? Do you know the pressure that you're at or that three miles down in the ocean, the amount of pressure that come to look what happened to that little, that little submarine that popped about three years ago? Right. So why do you want to live in an environment where you have so much pressure when you could simply land on the terrestrial plane and live pressure free? Because if they are insanely advanced, one of the things that's proposed is that they have some sort of a gravity bubble. And this is how they move through space and this is how they don't use propulsion that essentially, that's why these crafts act as transmedium crafts. When these crafts are flying and going to the ocean, the ocean rather, there's virtually no splash and they're moving 500 miles now. Frictionless. Exactly. They're not existing in the same space time as we are.
they have a bubble and this bubble completely distorts everything around. So you're saying if they descended into the depths of our ocean, they won't experience the pressure because the bubble is forcing off the pressure. Interesting. But still, okay, what is your purpose for going underwater when you can just land on the surface of the earth? Well, what's the outside? Maybe they're observing us and making sure that we don't fuck things up. But how can they observe us if they're three miles underwater? Well, they come out of the water, Harlan, that's the whole reason why they know they're there, because they keep experiencing these crafts that are rising out of the water in these very specific locations. Yeah. You seem like a disinformation agent from the government or something. I am, I am. It seems like it. I am. You should work out on being a little more stealthy. What do you mean? Because it's very obvious to me that you're what the kids call controlled opposition. Well, that could be me counter and tutively pre-programming you to think sideways. We'll be the benefit of that. I'm not experiencing these ways of espionage. What's the benefit of living a mile down in the ocean in the area where I rift? I think the whole reason they're in the ocean is because that's where we won't find them. Like, if you wanted to watch the civilization, if we went to another planet, okay, let's say this. Let's say we go to another planet, we find people that are living like cave people. They're killing each other. They're robbing and raiding villages. If we wanted to just observe and we had the ability to observe from the sky motionless with no sound at all and just watch them, don't you think we would do that? Yeah. We wouldn't interfere. We would want to know as much about them as we could. Right. Every now and then when one of them was going to get watered, we fucking dart them with the tranquilizer dart, check their DNA, take some jizz, and then leave them there, just like they do to us. We would do the exact same stuff if we could do it. If we were just a little more advanced than we are now, so not, you know, millions of years in advance, which we think maybe possibly some civilizations are, but maybe a hundred years or a thousand years. And we found a planet, and that planet had cave people on it. 100%. We would do most of the things that these aliens are doing. If we had a way where we could dart them and tranquilize them, and they'd have no idea that we did it, and they would just wake up at the jungle confused, we would do it. If we did medical tests on them, we could take them, bring them to a secure medical facility that we had, maybe in a helicopter or some sort of a spaceship that we've created, and we run some tests on them, take some sperm, take some skin sand bowls, do a fucking cat scan on them, whatever, and then put them back in the jungle. We would do it. This isn't mutual of Omaha's wild kingdom. We're not wildebeest. We're not seals. Like, clearly, they share some of the intelligence we have. They're masters of aeronautics. We've mastered aeronautics in our physical plane. So what's with all the mystery? Like, if they can communicate, they can talk and they can build as we can. It's not like we're too primitive. Why don't they just, how do you know that? Because if they just go, let's go, let's go, chat to the idiots. No. If we're that dumb, at least we could communicate. I think you have to get our fighter jets fly with their, our fighter jets track them. We lock onto them. No, they know. So we're sharing aeronautical intelligence. No, no, no. They're not sure. Joseph, they're trying to find them, and then they dart away and move in ways that we can't explain. But we see them. We track them. We share the same airspace. We're both flying. I don't know why I'm getting so fired up. Yeah, but still dude, if we went to another planet and found australia pithicus, we found an early human, you know, one of the early primates. Okay. 100%. We would dart it. 100%. We would tranquilize it. We would run tests on it. We would want to know about it. 100%. Okay, you're talking about in the Yanderthal. Right. That's what we are to them. But let's say, they're the little grays with the big heads and they communicate telepathically and they could fly here instantaneously from other solar systems. We might as well be the ape people. But why the evasion, like if you saw a homo pickethis or whatever it's called, australia pithicus holding up a cell phone, would you still go, let's dart it and probe it and let it go. Why wouldn't you just go, Hey, that monkey's got a cell phone. Let's go talk to it. We can talk. We have cell phones. Like, why the why the mysterious distance, like if they're in the ocean and they know we're intelligent beings, why not just come up and say, Hey, I don't want to go snorkeling. I think australia pithicus with a spear is about as intelligent to us as we are to them. But if they have an evolved language and they have communities and a civilization, isn't that enough for us to just walk into camp and go, Hey, guys, I mean, they did it with with trives that live in the Amazon. Who's that guy? Who's the guy they boiled in the pot? That famous saying, what's that famous? I can't think of it right now. But anyways, we wandered into into the Amazon and walked right up to like weird Amazon tribal people. It's not like we hid and tried to hide from them. Yeah, but they didn't know those people were even there. Right. But when they found them, they integrated. They approached them. They go, Hey, this is a t-shirt. This is a camera. But those are human beings that are the exact same kind of human beings as the people that were visiting them. They're not different species. Still. No. So if you, Joe Rogan, we're out in a field one day. Uh-huh. And you saw a new species of like people jumping around having a picnic, sharing a salami. Would you just hide behind a log and watch some of them? Would you go, Hey, who are you? What are you? Well, you're not even allowed to contact uncontacted people. Say that again. You're not allowed to contact like North Sentinel island that island in the middle of the Indian Ocean where that preacher went and got killed because he was trying to bring the Bibles. Right. You're not allowed to contact uncontacted tribes. Uh, is that like all of them? Most of them. I don't like. So Indian Ocean, they have that North Sentinel island protected. And, you know, there's people that discourage people from contacting people in the Amazon. There's several uncontacted tribes in the Amazon. I wish they'd stay that way. Yeah. Stay uncontacted. Well, I don't want to see a beautiful like pygmy or someone from an Amazonian tribe wearing in a deed is shirt. Why not? Or a hooter shirt. Hooters will be funny. No. That'd be funny. I want to see them wearing like cook, cook feathers and, you know, you know, hook a pick bones. I want to see leave them alone. Spear fishing with a bucky's hat on. No. Come on, guy. No. No. See that? Why not? Well, then that's why the aliens under the ocean are staying away from us. They don't want to be corrupted by our ridiculous society of hooters and cracker barrels. Okay. If you were in the Amazon, wouldn't you want a t-shirt? If I was, uh, if you were walking through the Amazon, you, Harlan Williams. Yeah. The third right now alive in 2026. If you were in the Amazon, and I said, would you like to wear a t-shirt? Were you walking through the Amazon? Yeah. What would you say? As a white North American male? Yeah. Yeah. I'd say definitely. And they want one too. It's better than no t-shirt. No, it's not. It's not a bitch. There's a tribe of five people and one of them has a shirt. Yeah. See I hate that. Look, he's got flip flops. That guy on the right is horrible. That is the baller of the fucking neighborhood. That's the guy that pulls up in the 65 chivalre and everybody's like, look at him with his flip flops. I think that's that guy who wrote my Gretaville. What was his name? Jimmy Buffett. That's Jimmy Buffett. For God's sake. Gretaville. Let's take a call. Gretaville. Isn't that him? I think that's him. Well, we get dinged on YouTube for that, Jamie. You guys are getting way too close. Yeah. You know, you get dinged. Like they can't sing. They take away your fucking advertising revenue. If you hum a song. Okay. These dirty criminals. Wow. Hum hum a song. You dirty scum. I'm trying to steal advertising money. What if we mess with them and hum a tune and sort of play name that tune with them. And if they can, they'll fucking ding you. Even if they can't figure it out. Like they've got to sit around the office. They'll pretend then you have to go to court. Name that tune in seven notes and I'm like. Don't do it. Don't do it. Do you know what I just did? You fucked us up. That's you know what song that was? I don't care. I do. What is it? It was that pink Floyd song. No, no, no, don't say that because then they'll get us. Yeah, but they don't know which one doesn't matter. And they can't prove it. They don't understand. They don't have to prove it. Oh, all they have to do is make a claim. And then you have to fight it. And you'll lose your joke. Rogan. No, they're not going to mess with you guy. Oh, you're so incorrect. That's the way you do. You are jacked. I work out. Can we get your shirt off? No. How come? Joe will be selfish. I want you to. Would you please take your shirt off? For what reason? Because you have a beautiful body. Okay. And you work so hard at it. And no one gets to see it.
And you know you want people to see it, but you can't do it. You can't go. Well, I'm Joe Rogan I crafted this body But if I ask you to you get to show it off I don't really want to show it off. That's why I wear clothes you do though But I don't it's like if you did this podcast, but didn't put it out. What's the point I? Don't do that's the same thing I would love it if you showed your beautiful body Okay, I love it. Oh, yeah, Joe Dude, can we stand? No, that's enough dude. Look at that Can we talk about before you put the shirt on? Can we talk about it? We want to talk about how you do that I work out you could do it too. We'll take work out. Yeah, how often? Do you really want to get into this short? You do yeah, I want pretty work out because I'm about to crack an egg open on your show that I don't think anyone's ever talked about How often you work out a lot? Yeah, what are you doing these days? Okay, you want to get into this? Sure here we go. Here we go Joseph Zachary Rogan I'm I don't want to get in trouble But I'm working out by the way beautiful body they just is stunning see I'm glad you didn't make me uncomfortable that you say that like some men I'd be like this is odd. No, no, I'm not a fly guy What does that mean like home as sexual? I'm straight as they come, but I believe in holding up people's hard work and that didn't just come from sitting around eating Pringles and Basque and Robbins you worked as a you deserved to show it and you never could because it's you and Now I get to help celebrate you and all your fans got to see all that hard work and I love it guy Okay, but I'm straight as a Chinese truck driver Chinese truck drivers are never gay never that part of the job Yeah, they're seriously how many dudes are jerking off under the ocean? How many guys are jerking off to you just taking your shirt off a couple But how many guys are jerking off to me taking my shirt off while they're under the ocean? Let me check if you got 14 subs How many people on each sub how many may not be sub? It might not be known Let's take a guess they keep it very secret if you had a guess how many people are on each sub? I'm gonna say Oh, so a Thousand a lot more than that really on the on the trident the trident are like floating cities gave me might be including all Submarines including like every government not just ours Okay, but how many how many people are in each submarine? How many like could one of those submarines hold a small one is 30 to 70? A small one. Yeah large one is a hundred and twenty one hundred forty. Wow Seems about that big one hundred sixty maybe and there's fourteen of so there's at least a thousand dudes underwater right now It's it is forty to seventy thousand forty seventy thousand guys under the water. Yeah, yeah Whoa, so don't worry about United States taking a hit. My guys. This is crazy this wild. That's a crazy statistic I'm glad I dropped by today. I'm always glad when you drop by but this is crazy Forty to seventy thousand people are underwater and submarines at any given moment with huge uncertainty Why we can only estimate no navier company publishes a live count of how many submarines are deployed right now or how many crew Abort each one and how many deployments are classified civilian research and tourism subs are also not tracked in a global real-time way Wow Wow That's crazy so that could be a whole new civilization So if they blow up the earth, but how many chicks? Well, that's the things the ratio is probably not good the ratio is probably non-existent How many chicks are in these subs? That's classified. Do they have girls that serve these subs? There's there's girl submariner's what is the number? It's like 10 to one and worse. What do they look like? But I bet they're the fucking cream of the crop under water because the pressure squeezes in all the cellulite. No No, there's no other girls. Oh, they're the oh, yeah, you got you get no competition. Yeah. Yeah, no competition Like how many ladies? Let's take guess how many ladies are underwater at any given time. 20. Yeah 10% Percent or likely well under 10% of submarines worldwide Yeah, with higher percentages in a few Navy such as US and some NATO allies. Those are the ones that are in trouble 690 Signed a submarine in the US 699 women get getting how many dudes hitting on them. Yeah It's that would must be hell be underwater with a guy who's annoying you and you can't get away from it. Can't get away. He's farting Underwater sex Farts must be a horrible, but let's what do they do with the shit? They don't come up sometimes for months. Oh, yeah, the tridents go out for I think a year almost and so what do they do with their shit? They just ejected they ejected into the sea. They're not doing anything a whale isn't doing But do they ejected into the sea? They have to I mean they can't make meat loaf Can you imagine if like during that process somehow or another it got clogged up because someone to use too much toilet paper from the Sub sinks. Yeah a fatty because of the air just took a giant dump. They might melt it Melt it they can rise up - don't forget they can throw into the nuclear pit where they enter the managed trash by compacting melting or Jettison it to avoid Detect we get that's trash. What about poop? Well, I that's I had said just about poop Yeah, it's that's about poop just specifically because waste can mean, you know paper cups It's the same thing though. I would also go now if you were jettisoning your poop everywhere You might want to have detectors for human waste in the water and you might start figuring out where the Maybe you don't want to do that. He's operating on the level The 40s probably this is a dude that's in this mirror is he got Jamie he operates on other levels Tracking. Do you know that term can either confirm nor deny came from a Russian submarine that was sunk that we were pulling out of the ocean And there's and they had to they got questioned about it and they said are are we In possession of this rubber brush and so are we pulling out of the ground and they said we can either confirm nor deny because they had to answer So that is an answer. That's an answer. That's like you neither confirm nor deny. That's a kid in the saying pleading the fifth Sort of but it's you actually are answering you can neither confirm nor deny that's like saying I'm what do you do for living? I'm in heating and air conditioning. No, because that's a very specific trade Well, they kind of counteract each other What do you do? I'm in shipping and receiving Are you sure I can neither confirm nor deny? I mean this is I have an avoidance Problem that but I want to talk to you about my workout regime. Okay, because you asked I did ask I'm doing something so advanced You do the ice baths, right? Mm-hmm. You soak in them. Yep, so I'm doing something so extensive that I'm Exercising myself into a new race What are you becoming and no one said this before on your podcast? I don't think But I'm working out so hard to become a new race and two words Gera ruffa You take your ice baths Gera ruffa my guy. What was that? Jamie look it up and do it quick. You whore. I Mean to do it quick Gera ruffa Look it up. You're becoming a fish. Oh, that's not any fish The gera ruffa people submers their legs and feet into the tanks and the gera ruffa have vibrating lips, Joe and They eat skin cells picture this underwater So those are the ones like when you go into Thailand and ladies dump their legs into a fish pond right vibrating lips clean your toes off Joe Mm-hmm And how are you working out to become one of those? So what well? You're taking your ice baths. Yeah, I'm submerging my whole body my lower extremities into one of these tanks These fish are sculpting my body my lower extremities and Have you ever heard of malaria pills? Yes, so while everyone else is popping ozempic and doing everything else I've been on malaria pills for four years and these things can flip your blood platelets Okay, that's the power of malaria pills They can actually change your red blood cell count and your white blood cell counts powerful medicine Okay, so with the use of my malaria
malaria pills and the gera ruffas. And I don't know if you want to see the results, but my legs are hammer jacked right now. - Let's see 'em, let's see. - My legs are-- - I took my shirt off, take your pants off. - Okay, come on. - Okay, are you sure? - Yeah, yeah. - And before I do it, I'm going into a new race. And I don't want anyone to accuse me of doing black leg. I don't know if you've ever seen the fastest man in the world is who? - Who's same bolt? - Who's same bolt. The biggest high jumper in the world is a black man. The longest, long jumper is a black man. The highest vertical jumper is a black man. And this isn't racist, this isn't black leg, but this is me working out into a new race. - And I'm proud of that. - Plue pants off. - I won't be laughing if I were this. These legs are jacked. (laughing) - Look at these legs. - Why are they a different color? - Well, I told you, I'm working out into another race. - You just fucking serious leg muscles, man. - Yeah. - Where'd you get those leg muscles? - I told ya. - What's going on with your underwear? That's kind of crazy. - What do you mean? - What's my underwear? - What the fuck do you have on your legs? - Dude, I told ya, I'm working out right into another race. - Are those real legs? - That's very impressive. You don't have like silicone over them or anything? - No. - Those are actual leg muscles. - Wait a minute. - Giant leg muscles. - Why is it you can take your shirt off? And I don't, I compliment too. But your legs don't match, they don't match up with the rest of your body. - 'Cause the color's off. - No, the muscles are crazy. Stand up again. - Yeah. - Those muscles are insane. - Yeah, look at these. - Are those real? Tell me the truth. They look like plastic. - What are you talking about? - It looks like you're wearing something. - Jammy, those are the most insane legs I've ever seen in my life, right? - Right. - If that was the guy weighing in at a UFC fight, that would make sense. - Blood, Gaviral. - Two words. Kera, Rafa. Where'd you get those legs? - Dude, I think if I sit in the tank, I'll get legs like that. - Well, are you taking malaria pills? - Oh, no. - You do my combo. - Do you wanna stand up? I'm gonna sit in the pants. - I mean, and look at the skin difference. - I'm not taking your shirt off, so I can see where the skin changes color. - I'm, excuse me. - I wanna see where the skin changes color. - If you take your shirt off, I get it, I will. - But I just did. - But I wanna do it together. - Okay. - Dude. - You son of a bitch, you son of a bitch. - You, Rogan, what have you done to him? - What? - She get those fucking pants. (laughing) - Don't put it there, don't put it there. - A gourd. (laughing) - See, all the things I could fit in there was a gourd. (laughing) - Oh my God. (babbling) - Yo. - When I first saw your legs, I was like, what the fuck is going on? How does he have legs like that? - I know, sir, I think that's a baggy pants on. - I know, you know it's not a baggy pants. - Where the fuck did you get those pants? Why can't I look good? - You look great. - God. - I think you wear those like to a pool, like a public pool, and the ladies would definitely be checking you out. - Yeah. - They look good as gourd. (babbling) - Can I leave the gourd with the meetries? Can we add to the collection? - I'm gonna have people smell it. I'm gonna tell 'em smell that. - And I'm gonna tell 'em that was in Harlan Williams pants. - Dude. - Not even in his pants. It was like rubbing up against the sky. I'm gonna leave that there for people to smell. - Yeah. - Yeah, next time someone comes in, I mean, what's all this stuff here? - What happened first? - I'm gonna like smell that. - Can I pull my pants up? - You put. - Yeah, sure. - Feels weird sitting near with my pants down. - Well, you are wearing pants. You wearing rubber pants. - Well, rubber muscle pants. - Come on. - Don't you want legs like that for real? - Joe. - Do you wanna be awesome? - That's like me saying, don't you wanna chest like that for real? You're harrier than I thought. - Really? - Are you part Armenian? (babbling) - Are you? - No. - No, great. Hang on, I gotta pull my pants up. (babbling) - God, what's up with that? - It feels like from behind. (babbling) (babbling) (babbling) - There we go. (babbling) (babbling) - What are that, I don't know. - Do we have to blur it? - I don't know. - No, it's a gourd. - And you're worried about a song getting tinged? (babbling) (babbling) - Oh my God. (babbling) - It's silly by the fucker. - Oh. (babbling) (babbling) - Oh my God, oh. - Do you know how crying? - Do you know how moist my balls are right now? - Y'all bet that gourd must smell. (babbling) (babbling) - Oh. (babbling) - Espring shifts into summer for a lot of people that means traveling. And planning and making sure you're in the right shape. Whatever you get up to though, make sure you're taking extra care of you with AG1. It's an easy way to support your energy, mood, and immune health with over 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food sourced ingredients. It can even help support your gut health since it contains digestive enzymes and clinically back probiotics. AG1 is backed by four clinical trials and is NSF certified for sport. AG1 next gen has been put to the test in multiple gold standard clinical trials. It's quality that you can trust. Make sure you're ready for those travel plans with AG1. 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I feel like if we took your upper part and put it on my lower part, we'd have the immaculate human being and then those fart bubbles from the bottom of the ocean won't have a trouble coming around. Yeah. You looked like me and Joe Zachary Rogan, those fart bubbles from the aereoli drench will come up and suck as a dirty lasagna. Sorry. I get excited, Joe. Maybe it's the like forever chemicals leaking through the rubber underwear you wear. They're not underwear out there. Those are my legs. You take them off because you're sweating. That's leaching into your blood right now. All the BPAs. God, I don't want to die. But you know what's interesting? My legs are bronze. And we don't talk about the bronze people. We always talk about white and black. But what about the bronzeies? The Incas, the Mayans. I mean, these people and the legs on them, did you ever see a poca-lipto? And I don't know if this is in any history books anywhere, but those bronzeies could motor. Yeah, true. So I've got legs where if I'm being chased, if a rapist is coming after me, I'm outta here. There's three men in this room, two of you are getting raped, not me. Wow. I mean, these legs, I could jump over Dolly Parton's gazebo. By the way, speaking of Erie Holize, have you seen hers? I haven't. They're the size of Lillipads. I don't know. I had a one-nighter with her about three weeks ago. She's got a one-night show. A one-night stand. We were jackhammering all night.
- You picked her up at a bar in Malibu. Hammer jacket was really dolly parton. - It was, it was parton. - I think she goes out. - Oh, she was at night. - You sure it wasn't a lady wearing a mask? - Dude, it was her. - And her area always has a size of lily pads. I'm not kidding, I woke up in the morning, there were two bullfrogs sitting on her tits. - Why, you look gonna be like that. - She's kinda old to be fucking. - Not for me, have you seen my legs? - Also, she's a very respected lady. - I think it's very rude. - Well, it's 'cause I said, it's the way I said a thing. We made love. - Oh, okay, I forgot. - We made love and her area always are the size of lily pads. - I feel a lot better now. - Yeah, sorry, I should keep it classy. - Do you like 'em big, the big area old? - I like a big area old, right? Reminds me of a pancake. Sometimes I'll put a dollop of butter on it. - It's a robust woman. - Yeah. - It's like a lot going on there. It's big area old. - Yeah. - And the dark ones. And they're great to take with you camping. If you ever have a rubber raft and you get a hole in it, you can rip one off and patch it. - Oh, Jesus. - Yeah. - That's not what I was thinking. - Well, you don't camp much. - Just bring a patch. - Yeah, but if you don't have one, you can rip off a dirty, airy old life. - That you're hoping you're gonna get out of the woods. - Well, if you can't, then you're with a chick, you got an airy old life. - Lose your airy old forever, just because you forgot to bring a patch. - Yeah, but what do you want? One airy old life, so you have your life back. - Possif she's 80, they don't, those don't heal that good. She could die from infection. - It's about living. It's not about having an airy old life. You wanna get out of the woods or not? One titty Jackson, whatever her name is. - Okay. - Tough love. - Speaking of sacks, if you've been on this only fans thing, have you gone on? - No, I don't. - It's all I'm hearing about. - Right, all you hear about now is onlyfans.com. - Yep. - They do comedy shows. - I finally go on this thing, 'cause it's all I'm hearing about. Onlyfans.com, I go on about a week ago, and I'm on there for about two hours, and it's just a video after video after picture. And I'm on there so long, my eyes are like spinning. And finally I stop the damn thing, and I'm like screw this. I already have central air conditioning. - Why the hell am I looking at this site? I don't need a fan. I mean, good lord. I'll pull my legs out. I will pull my dirty bronze legs out, wrapping around your neck like a dirty anaconda. - The fuck is wrong with you? - You think of your woman, you'd be doing onlyfans? You know, it's an interesting question. It's a moral, moral dilemma, isn't it? - Let's imagine if Harlan was a female, and Harlan was 21, and just got here from Canada. - With these legs? - With those legs, and not a lot of men. - Not a lot of weight is to make a living, but you're cute. - Desperate times call for desperate matters, Joe Rogan. You know, it's a serious question, and it's almost a sad one in today's world. - It is. - Because in the old days, you had your sex industry sort of combined to the shadows. And now anyone's daughter, cousin, niece, nephew, that they can suddenly be exposed to the world in the most promiscuous way, but in the most profitable way. - That's the problem, is also you get addicted to the money. Let's imagine, let's imagine your lady. And you have a site and you show your feet and stick things inside your butt or whatever you do. And you're making, what was that last part? Stick stuff inside your butt. - If you're a lady. - Yeah, like what? - Some ladies, they put like dildos in there and stuff. - Okay, have you ever seen that? - No, but I'm just assuming it happens. Doesn't that happen, Jimmy? - Sure. - You've never seen a lady do that? - I'm pure as a driven snows, sir. Joe, not real life. - You haven't? - No. - Stick a rubber dick inside their butthole? - You've never seen that. - No. - Why not? - I'm not interested. - You've never been through a car wash? - I have. - What's the difference? - It's a big difference. - One of them is your butt where you shit out of and you're putting a rubber dick inside or the other one is you getting your car washed. - You make a good point. (laughing) - Point is, if you were making-- - Yeah. - If you're doing all this and you developed a nice fan base, you're making 100,000 a month, 300,000 a month. - Yeah. - And then you don't feel good about yourself. And what do you do? - You just save up the money and quit. If you meet a nice guy and he's like, what do you do for a living? You're like, well, let me tell you, I don't want to do it anymore, but I take rubber dicks and I oil my butthole up and I shove them in there, HD camera, two inches from my butthole. The guy send me tips. - I think the subtext here, Joe, is what is the price you put on your dignity? - Right. - What is the price you put on your spirit? Because this stuff, it may seem fun in the moment, but you get down the road and it follows you. - You know, we looked it up. - Yeah. - And it's something crazy, like 10% of girls aged 18 to 24 in the United States are on only fans. - This is a tough question and you can tell me to shut up if you want. - You have a daughter, don't you? - I have three daughters. - You have three daughters. I have four sisters. If one of your daughters told you she was doing only fans, what would your reaction be? - I think I made a big failure as a parent. - But how would you approach it with said daughter? - Well, you would give them advice. First of all, your daughter or your son or is a human being, you don't own them, right? - Good point. - Touchy point, good point. If you treat them like you own them and they have to listen to you, they'll never listen to you and they're gonna rebel. This is just human nature. - Excellent point. - I'm with you so far. - You have to give them advice and you have to talk to them and talk to them about the repercussions of what they're doing and realize that this stuff will follow you. And some people are gonna be fine with that. Look, there's some ladies that are like, "Look, I don't ever want a fucking regular job. I'm not, I'm shamed of my body." And maybe they're not sticking things up their butt. Maybe they just be a naked and they're like, "This is way better than having a job, fun." - What does it say here? - Top 1%. Top earners make about 18,000 to $49,000 per year. Whoa, that's it. - That's not much, I could work at Denny's for that. - What? - So the top 0.1% make 100,000 per month or 1.2 million annual. That's the top 0.1. But the top 1%, only make 18,000 to 49,000 a year. - So you imagine you're making 18,000 dollars or 49,000 a year. You're still living in poverty. If you make 18,000 dollars a year, you're poor and you are showing your pussy and you're not paying for it, yeah. - Wait a minute, but Joe, I know that you-- - Look at that. - You have a bit of a rage sign, like Joe knows how to rage 'cause you're a fighter. You know how to go into that red zone. You can be an intimidating force. Is there a world where your daughter says, "Daddy, I'm doing this," and Joe just goes, "You're fucking not." Like, is it you go into the red zone or just-- - That's not gonna, if you do that with your kids, they're not gonna listen to you. - But what if you did it just because of the reaction where you were so mad or disappointed in them? - I would only be that mad if someone was doing something terrible to them. - Okay. - Or, you know-- - You're a good dad. - Well, you have to be-- - I like what I'm hearing here. - You have to be a human. - Yeah. - You're the parent, but you're also, you have to understand human nature. I know people that yell at their kids or I know kids that have been yelled at, and they always resent that. They're always angry. It's a stupid way to handle things. - Something happened here just now that I was not expecting today. - What's that? - I got to see a side of you that I didn't know if it was there or not, 'cause I don't know your family life, but I got to feel for a second dad vibes, dad love. And I think, I sort of pictured you sitting with your daughter and being very reasonable and loving. - Well, hopefully I'd never have to have that conversation. - I hope so too, but I see you as an understanding, nurturing dad in that moment. I love that. - I try to be. - Yeah. - That's the goal. I mean, if you want to have a relationship with your kids, and my daughters are teenagers now too, and we've never gone through a period where you always hear these periods where the kids rebel against you and they hate you. - Yeah. - The teenagers. That's never happened, and I think it's-- - That's good. - It's not gonna happen because we always just communicate, and I try to be as reasonable. - I love it. - The open mind that is possible. - That's what I could see. - But also very, you gotta be very supportive too. - Yeah. - It's hard to be a kid, man. - Yeah, it's harder to be a kid today than ever before, because of social media and all the pressures that they face, and then also this weird world that they're entering into where AI might be taking all the jobs. So they're like, what the fuck am I gonna do? What am I gonna do with my life? - I love AI. - Do you? You're all in? - I'm all in. - I'm part about it. - I love it, Joe, because it's opening a door to creativity for everybody. Now, a lot of people are being pessimistic and saying, it's taking away our creativity. But think about any art gallery you've ever been to. You go in, you see the Renoir, the Degas, the Dali, all the usual sunsets,
Van Gogh, Goya, all of them, right? - Right, right. - Those have all been placed there over the centuries as the art that we all know and have adopted. And that came from a select group of individuals very talented, contributed to our culture and our history. But it's a pool of about maybe 200 artists through the course of history. - Right. - Now think about a guy you bumped into working in the sprinkler aisle at Home Depot three weeks ago, who's got a wife and kids and maybe doesn't have the opportunity or the wherewithal to tap into his artistry. But now that guy and the guy at Duncan Donuts and the girl that works at the car wash and every human being now has a way to express their hidden talents. And so with AI, they can go home at the end of the night and press a few buttons and go, "I imagine this thing and AI's letting me get it out and the world gets to see it." Same with medicine, same with inventions. How many Elon Musk's are there that grew up in poverty and never got the chance to expand on a concept or an idea because they didn't have the means. But if AI starts to open these doors for every human being, think of the barrage of incredible visual and conceptual designs that are going to come at us and a lot of them will probably be practical and actually work. And the common man and woman didn't have access to that before. - That's one way looking at it, that's a positive. - I love it. - Yeah, that's true. - Example in my own life, I come from the animation world and I like to write and a few years back I pitched an animation idea around Hollywood and it got rejected. And so now me and a few of my friends in the dawn of AI are creating the same thing that got rejected and we're gonna put it out into the world. We couldn't have done it two, three years ago. It would have cost us three million dollars. Now we're doing it for a few thousand. And it looks like a Pixar movie. It looks like Pixar. So if you tell me that AI is in opening a whole new world, it's not true, it is. It's letting all of us dig really deep and expose our gifts and our talents and yeah, there's always the downside but let's try and look at the good side of it too. - I like what you're saying. - Thank you, Joe. - The downside is the people that don't want to be creative and they want to be accountants or they want to be lawyers. So they want to, like, those jobs are going to be away. - Stop, stop. - How about that accountants and accountant because he can never tap into the artistry that hides within him or the lawyer? But now, after hitting the machines all day, he can go home and go, you know what? I never could have done this before, but I'm going to create an image, a painting, a drawing in 10 minutes that I've always wanted to show the world. So that's what I'm saying. Even those pessimists can now throw off the demons on their back that are inhibiting them. And it's going to allow all of us to be so much more expressive. - Okay. - That's my take. - Well, hopefully. I mean, that's the question, like, what do people do if there's no more jobs and you just get money from the government because AI creates so much abundant resource that no one has to work anymore? Are you going to find things to do that are interesting? And maybe AI's going to help you do that. - I'll tell you this, Joe, in probably seven or eight years, I bet we're sitting here, me and you going. Remember AI, 'cause we're humans, man, we don't stop. People think AI's going to be the end of the line. It's just another stepping stone to our progression, to where we're meant to go. You believe in higher forces, I know that. So this is just one of the, remember when people thought, I'm not getting a cell phone, I'm not getting on the internet. I don't want a fax machine, but we just keep going. We're humans, we keep going up those stairs where adventurers were curious. We never stop. And so AI is just another small thing. As big as it seems, now as robust as it seems, it's just a small step in the giant ladder that's leading this weird species that we are to a bigger, higher, distant place. - Hmm, look at you, dude, you should do a seminar. I should show my legs again. You should tell everybody all these thoughts you have. - Well, I'm telling right now we're sharing 'em. - Yeah. - But don't you think all these things we come up with are leading to something where we're meant to go? - Yes. - I don't think we're all just here randomly and wars and fighting in this. I think it's all, we're the worker ants right now and we're the platform for the future worker ants to get to the pinnacle that we don't even know what it is yet. And maybe there is no pinnacle. But whatever force created us, Joe, they want us to keep going. That's why we search the oceans and the space and the moon and the planets. We're gonna keep going and AI is a tool for us to get there. So you can be pessimistic. You can be like, oh, AI and how? But why don't you just spend your time looking at the positive side of things? - I agree with you about the direction that we're going. I think that's what we're meant to do. - Yeah. - I just think that we are in a time of insane change and that makes people scared. - It does, yeah. - But you know, being scared also makes us feel alive. Think about the most vibrant moments in your life. - How about after 9/11, remember those days? - Oh yeah, people, people, it's like someone kicked the ant nest open and we were all scurrying around looking for the eggs. The ants always preserve the eggs. But those eggs were our lives and our neighbors we were talking and communicating. - We're friendly with each other now. - That's right. We realized the importance of a communal existence. We realized the importance of needing each other. - Yeah, people get very complacent and they need to be shook up every now and then. - Yeah. - It's very good for you. - And maybe AI, if there's one downside to it, it could maybe create a bigger cocoon for us because we'll have so much at our fingertips, it may isolate us even more. But we have to look beyond all these weird parameters to be sad and go, what's the upside, what's it doing for us? - Well, it's inevitable and it's gonna happen no matter what and I think people always figure out a way to be okay and I think that's gonna happen and there's gonna be a time of great upheaval and it's gonna change a lot but hopefully people will be all right and they're gonna have to adapt and learn and grow. - And we always have. - And we always have and we always will. - And most likely it'll be better for everybody overall. This idea that Elon keeps pushing is universal high income is that people will have plenty of money, abundant resources and there's not gonna be a problem of food, shelter, medical, education. All that stuff's gonna go away because of AI and the real problem be what do you decide to do with your life? What do you decide to do with your time? - Right. - But you'll have the freedom to do whatever you want with your time. Just think about how little crime there's gonna be if there's abundant resources and no one has to steal anymore. No more stealing, no more robbing and no more poverty. Literally no more poverty. - I don't know if it's possible or if it is in 50 years or 100 years but no more poverty is wild. - No more poverty is a reality. Criminality I think, you have to remember there's people who don't engage in criminality to make money. They engage in criminality as a passion. A lot of criminals like the process. They like the game playing. They like the herd and the chest moves. They like winning, they like deceiving. - Right, they like drug dealing. - Right. - So they're gonna big deal in a side. - Right. - The green shows up in San Diego and you pull the fucking Coke bags out. - Right. - Drone in the back of a Mercedes. - Yeah. - They love that. - You listen to Miami vice-central. - Yeah. - Or there's even the adversarial component where they like the idea of killing their competition. - Yeah, it's a war. - I think we'll ever transcend, you know, the criminal element of it. - We could. - We could, if we-- - You never know though. - If AI develops at the point where we have literal telepathy and we could read each other's minds, you won't be able to plot any kind of guys like that anymore. - Or, and this is because I think it never ends, does AI design something to help us plot? You know what I mean? If you're a criminal, it just puts you in a simulation where you're allowed to do a Grand Theft Auto, but in real life. - Yeah. - You know, you're just locking. And all of a sudden, you're in the streets in Chicago. - Yeah. - And you've run it down the street with a gun, you shoot a guy and take his Mercedes and (growls) and you just have a good time. But then you come back to real life. And if it's fine, everything's fine. - Yeah. It's, this is what I like that it's so endless. And it's gonna take so many twists and turns. - Well, then his question is, has that already happened? Are we in a simulation right now? - Oh yeah, I think we talked about this last time. - A lot of people think we are. - I don't believe smarter than me. - But can I take you back a second? - Take me back to the old days. - Exactly. - Picture Pioneer Village, Betty O'Connor, churnin' some butter down by the blacksmith's shop. (whistles) Kyle McGeevins, shave and timbers to build a log cabin. (sighs) Amish. - Do you think that those people who were in covered wagons and were us, just the old version of us? Do you think they ever pulled the covered wagon to the side of the trail and went,
Hey, Jedadaya, do you think we're in a simulation? Like, I think we've created this simulation talk because we do have all this computer and, you know, we're in this world now that's full of contraptions. - Okay, let me ask you. - But I don't think we're in a simulation. But, go ahead. - Are you sure the pioneer days even really happened? - Wow, you got me, son of a whore. - You don't walk off the show? - I'm walking off the show. - Fuck you. - And this is a simulation. - Take some big rubber legs. Get the fuck out of here. (laughing) - The only guy to walk off your show with fake legs. (laughing) - I mean, if you think about it, we think that the pioneer days happen. We can go to the museum and we can see pioneer day wheels and-- - Watch about the butter churn and jaw. - The sweet butter churns. - There's a bunch of people that studied it in universities allegedly, if they're real people. - I don't even know if they're real. I don't even know if you're real. Why would you have rubber legs? This doesn't make sense. You show it up here with rubber pants and a gourd over your cock. This doesn't make any sense. - Yeah, I don't like that. - I don't even think I'm real anymore. - You might not be. - Good point. - For real, for real. - I think we're real. I think it's not a simulation. - I don't know how do you make a simulation? Like how we're just, we're all like pixels right now and like, there's too much. - Do you know the DMT laser thing? Do you know what I mean? - So when people smoke DMT, apparently, if you use like a DeWalt construction laser, you know those lasers they use to make sure things are level. - Yeah, yeah. If you get above that laser and look down on it, you see code in the laser. - Like matrix code, like the matrix code. It's like, and people see the same code. They describe it exactly the same. And so people see it, if you look to the side, you look underneath it, you see the code in the laser. And people think that this laser is exposing the code of the simulation that we live in. This is supposedly what it looks like. - I mean, I just am not there. - You see symbols and like weird number. I haven't done it. - If I see the whole drum set, I'm in, but if it's just the symbols, forget it. - I haven't done it, but I know a lot of people who've done it. And everyone that I know that's done it, it said the same thing. They said it is fucking insane. - DMT? - No, yeah, but DMT with this laser thing. So when you look down the laser, everybody that I know that's done it say, it blew their fucking mind. You see all these weird symbols, they look like hieroglyphs or some foreign language or numbers and it's very bizarre. - Hmm, I don't know, it just seems to me why run us through the drama of a life, a human life where we're born, we endure pain, illness, suffering, love, hate, all the emotions, just to be as a simulation. I don't get the reason for that. - What's the reason for it if it's not a simulation? - It's organic. - It's just organic life. - But okay, what is organic? It's made of the earth, born of the environment. - Right, but isn't that like this entire computing process where single-celled organisms figured out had become multi-celled organisms, figured out how to interact with their environment, figured out the ecosystem, figured out how to balance itself off with both predator and prey and food and water and resources. - Right, but it's so very intricate and delicate. You have to bring into the question, was it organic or organic under the guise of a bigger creator? - Well, maybe the bigger creator is the simulation itself. - Damn it, Roken, you know, I'm walking again. - Maybe the problem, I'm out. - Take them rubber legs and get the fuck out of here. Maybe the problem is calling it a simulation. - Maybe it's not that it's not real, but that there is an underlying program that's running. Maybe instead of thinking of a simulation, 'cause you think of it as simulation, you think of it as not real. Like when I slap my arm, it hurts a little. Like that's real, right? If I knock my knee, that hurts. But it's not that it's not real, but that it's running a program. And this program, what we talked about earlier, when you're saying that people are moving towards something bigger and a new version of what we are, maybe that's a part of the program. Maybe the program is that all of these different components have to work together. This is why we'll never get rid of evil. You need evil so that you appreciate good. You want rainy days, so you appreciate the sun's time. You want like good times and bad times. You have to have a little bit of a bad time, so you appreciate the good times. You have to have some days where you feel like shit, so that you appreciate good days. You have to have bad friends, so you appreciate really good friends. - Okay. - All that stuff balances itself out and it's moving towards something. And what is it moving towards? The thing that we're involved in right now, AI. It's moving towards the creation of a new life form that's far more intelligent than we are. And it's probably a part of this whole process. - Okay, valid. I like what you just said, but I'm gonna expand on it a little. - Please do. - You're coming at it from a human perspective where you're channeling it through a human mind, which is beautiful and endless and we can think beyond the scope of who knows where our imaginations at. - Uh-huh. - But that's 'cause we're humans and we have the capacity. But to the schools of salmon spawning up the river and the moose fighting with a grizzly bear right now and the ants running around in their nest, do you think that why would they be part of a simulation? And I don't think any other living entity thinks simulation. - I don't think you have to say simulation. I think it's a program. And I think all those other different creatures are a part of the ecosystem. Like you need the bears, you need the salmon, you need the deer, you need the vegetation, you need the animals that run through the grasses and shit on them and make manure. All that stuff feeds up and we existed in that thing and we're moving in this direction of technological innovation and moving towards this new future that's happening right in front of ours right now. - But there's so many processes in what you just said. And it's like why have them all? Why not just pop us down as humans? - No. - And we don't need trees and grass. We just live in kind of a vacuous, vapent air space and we still do our jobs, but we don't, why do we need all the, why do we need mosquitoes and slugs and fungus? Like I know why we need them biologically to make everything symbiotic, but if it's just a-- - You just said it. - If it's just a thing, if it's not real, why do we need-- - You keep saying that and I'm not saying that. It's not real, it's a program. We're running a program. It's clearly real. What is real? Real is a experience it has real consequences for your actions. You feel things, you touch things, you eat, you sleep, you need, you have resources. That's all real. - You're asking the guy with fake legs, what's real? - You have a fake tattoo, too. - Too. - Oh, Billy. (laughing) - I mean it's like-- - No, I like this. I like where you're going. - I don't know if it's fake, but what I'm saying is it might be a program that runs, that makes people, and those people eventually make AI. And that might be the whole purpose of the program, but we might be in the middle of it. We're in the middle of it. We were born at a time, you and I were both born at a time where none of us existed. - Yeah. - We got to experience life without any of it. Remember when answering machines first came around? - Yeah. - Crazy. - Yeah. - You used to make a leave, a message, right? - Yeah. - And then the crazy one was answering machines that you could call your answering machine and get a message from another phone. You're pressing your code, and it was like 12 numbers. - Yeah. - And you memorized them, 'cause we got a dick to do it. - And then you could listen to your messages. - Yeah. - And you could even press pound and star. - Play them back, yeah. - Yeah, remember those days? You have five messages, like, oh, somebody likes me. - I remember when I'd go to a gig, and the second I'd get off a plane, and a lot of your viewers won't know what this is. I'd run directly to the pay phone in the airport, and I'd, boop, boop, boop, boop, hear my messages instantly. - Yeah, that was technology back then. We were living on the edge back then. - And by the way, I'm not refuting or denying everything you're saying, but I'm pushing back a little because I can see it's stimulating you to think deeper, and I like hearing your commentary on it. I like it that you're, if I push back a little, it makes you dig deeper to make your point, and I like it, I like what I'm hearing coming from you. - Well, I like what you're saying, too, is about simulation, like, the idea that it's fake. I don't think it's fake. - Yeah. - I think it's a real thing. It's obviously a real thing if we're experiencing, like, what is real? Are your dreams real? Yes, is sleep real? Yes. These are real things, where then you can put it on a scale, doesn't mean it's not real. So, I don't think the simulation term is the best term. - Yeah. - I think it's a program. I think we're running a biological program, and we think of biological as being separate from, like, math and being separate from, like, subatomic particles and the fucking confusing quantum world. I don't think it's separate from it at all. I think it's all just one big, super complex program that's running that, if done properly, and we're experiencing it right now, it leads to the creation of artificial life. - Okay. - And even artificial life's a bad term. 'Cause it's not artificial, it's real. - With all that being said, Where do you visualize the data center being? If it's a program.
Is it off planet? Is it off galaxy? Is it invisible? Like, doesn't there have to be a data center if we're a program or how does it just, the universe itself is the universe itself. I think the universe itself is a program. I think it runs from the beginning of the Big Bang to the formation of neutron stars. And I had this lady on Michelle Feller. Oh. How do you say her last name? Dallar. Dallar. Dallar. I barely know her. Amazing lady. NASA cosmonologist or she's an astronomer. And we were talking about like neutron stars, like the insanity of neutron stars and how they bend space and time. They warp gravity around them. It's like, yeah, these things all exist out there in the universe. They do. They're all, I think it's all a part of this program. And I think this program is running on other planets. I think there's other life forms that are doing very similar things. Look, I like the debate. I like your take on it, but I just still struggle with the, the, the technicality of it all. Uh-huh. I just don't. But the technicality of it all, if it's just biological life, let's say, it's just random. Yeah. All the stuff is random. Water, rain down, bacteria turned into fucking pomibas, platypus, whatever. It all just happened slowly, but surely that makes less sense. That makes less sense than a slow program that's running from literally the beginning of single-celled organisms, literally the beginning of the formation of planets, that this is like a natural cycle that happens everywhere in the universe. Yeah. It's a reason why these, these suns spin around and spit out plasma and that, that stuff coalesce in space. Yeah, yeah. Coalesce is in space. Yeah. You know, um, um, Terence Howard, the actor, yeah, he was here. Accenture guy. Yeah. He had a theory that I can't stop thinking about. What is it? He thinks that planets are formed because the sun's eject particles over time and that these stars eject, we see those, the big plasma ejections and the big solar ejections and all that. He thinks that material eventually gets out into space, eventually forms planets and he says when the planets get further from the sun, further enough from the sun, they people. And he thinks that's what what happens to Earth. You get a certain distance and then life evolves and then intelligent life evolves and then eventually these planets, people. And then when they get too far from the sun, they can no longer support intelligent life. They can no longer support life. So then the people have to get intelligent enough by the time the planets far enough away, where they've figured out a way to bypass all the problems of living on a planet that doesn't have an environment and living on a planet that doesn't have water. They've bypassed all that. Yeah. They've moved into the next realm of existence and now they can travel interstellar and do all that kind of creation. I won't refute that theory. It's a good theory. I think it's a good theory. I mean, it could explain how we're even here. Yeah. You also could explain the weird shit on Mars. Wait a minute. The Mars at one point in time might have had life. Yeah. The dry lake beds and the. No. The structures. Have you ever seen the structures on Mars? Oh, that face. No. Have you seen the big square? No. Okay. There's this weird thing on Mars that by the way, it's in the same area of Sidonia where that face is. The face. It doesn't look like a face to me. Yeah. And it's more shadowy. It's the shadows that make it look like a face thing. Yeah. It doesn't look like a face in the early images, but this stuff is fucking weird. Like, that's weird. Is that the Glendale Galleria? It is. But it's God. Five million years ago on Mars. So you're saying because geometrically it's a perfect square, you think it's a. Look what that looks like, man. That's nuts. Like when. When do right angles like that that are in the same distance from each other? Yeah. Ever existed in nature. That's crazy. And if they determine what those bumps are, are those rock structures or. They don't know. They don't even know how big it is because it's somewhere. It's between 300 meters is like the small estimate, but it might be as far as like a couple of miles. They don't know how big it is. Look at that thing. What the fuck is that? Yeah. There's a bunch of these things on Mars that are just really weird. And if, at one point in time, I'm talking millions of years ago. Hundreds of millions. Who knows? Yeah. How much would be left? Yeah. Yeah. How many. Let's put this into a perplexity, Jamie. How many ancient civilizations have myths about, or instead of do any, how about this? Not how many. Do any ancient civilizations have myths about Mars? Have myths about Mars? It's perfectly feasible. Totally feasible. Yeah. Like, if you think about it, several ancient civilizations have myths or religious associations tied to Mars, usually because they saw it as a bright reddish and sometimes ominous plant. Hey, don't mansplain to me, bro. Ancient Romans identified Mars with their God of War. Okay. Do any ancient civilizations have a myth about people coming from Mars? How about that? See if that is. Do any have myths about humans coming from Mars? You could just do a follow-up question at the bottom there. Here we go. Dun, dun, dun. What do you think? Yes? Wow. Here it goes. No. Ancient civilizations do not have myths about humans or people coming from Mars. Well, Mars has been central to mythology across many cultures. These myths focus on Mars as a deity or celestial object, not as humanity's origin point. What is that one tribe? The Dogon people? They have a weird origin story from another planet. The Dogons? Yeah. Where do they look at it? They look at it. Origin story. I don't know. I don't know. The Dogons. Wow. I think it's somewhere in Africa. Sounds like they're broke whoever they are. Mali, they have a complex creation met centered around Amna, the Supreme Creator God who lived in the celestial regions as was the origin of all creation. In their cosmology, the stars resent Amna's bodily parts with the constellation Orion called the Seed of Heaven or Amna's Navel. So I think they have this origin story from, whoa, what is this? Descended to earth in an arc suspended from heaven by a copper chain. According to Dogon mythology, Amna created the earth and then split himself into creating Ogo representing disorder and Nomo representing order. Ogo descended to earth along the Milky Way with which the Dogon believed connects heaven and earth and created havoc to restore balance, Amna created Nomo and gave him eight assistants consisting of four pairs of twins. These eight beings, also called the Nomo, became the ancestors of the Dogon people and descended to earth in an arc suspended from heaven by a copper chain. Okay, what was that story about? I think we're accidentally reading a children's book, Joe. The Ogo people. What? The Dogon people. The Ogo and the Pogos. Yeah, this is. But what do you, I think there's a lot of people that have like weird origin stories that involve extraterrestrial life? Yeah, I mean, there is. I mean, are you running that through human evolution? Yes, because if you run it through human evolution, extraterrestrial life doesn't necessarily match up with like homo erectus and, you know, Neanderthal man and things like that. In what way? Well, I get the sense that extraterrestrial life is far more advanced and technological going back to what you were talking about at the bottom of the ocean, whereas our ancestors were primal, right? So how do the two collide? I'm a bit confused. Well, what if they created us? They created us as primates and watched us evolve as an experiment? Yeah, what if you, like let's imagine this, we talked about like if we showed up and we went, found a planet and it was filled with like ancient primates, ancient hairy man that had just figured out the stone tools. Okay. Let's go to the early days. I'm with you. I'm right there, guy. Do you think that let's not say American scientists, we would never do this, but do you think perhaps like Chinese or Russian scientists might do some things with them and try to make them more advanced? In terms of biological experimentation, genetic engineering. I don't know. I mean, I will answer for you. Yes. You think they would? Whatever's that. For sure. They're just cave people. They don't even have any civilization. Let's just do whatever we want to them, because we're far more advanced. Do you know that there was a point in time with the Russians we're experimenting with people and trying to make a human chimpanzee hybrid for war? Is that right? Yeah. This is after World War II. They were trying to make hybrids. So many Russians died during World War II, I mean, Russia lost a lot of fucking war II. And there was a program that they do a lot of things where they just run it up the chain. Like, what do you think?
If we do this, what if we do that? You know, what if we make a nuclear bomb? What if we make a plane that doesn't have any radar signal? What if we make, instead of our soldiers dying, what if we make a hybrid just for war? We know chimpanzees are incredibly strong and they're smart and they're very violent. So what if we made an incredibly strong, very violent species that's more intelligent than chimpanzees and we can control them and we'll use them as our soldiers? But that seems like a lot of work for something that's hiding behind a modern weapon. Because whether you have an insane chimpanzee behind a machine gun or a guy that was an accountant and God drafted, it seems like the weapons do in the work, not the biological entity. Yeah, but if the chimps stronger and faster and they can get to places where the accountant can and they can charge into them in the middle of the night 'cause they could see at night time, there's a lot of things that you could do with chimps that were hybrids. Yeah. Like what was the extent of that program? Let's find out. I'm not putting it up right now but he, the guy that did it was also then arrested and I'm trying to figure out what, like, of course he was arrested. But he has a fucking psychopath. What's his name, Dr. Moro Ringabelle? It says he was funded by Soviet authorities to set up experiments like for these private, you know, ordered official. I would imagine if I was a leader of Russia at the time. And this guy said, uh, Mr. Prime Minister, I have a program I am currently considering in operation where I will be able to make soldiers that are increasingly strong, much faster that retain human characteristics like the ability to communicate and to engage in warfare with weaponry. But they would be much faster, much stronger and more importantly, not people. We won't mourn for them like our brothers and sisters. We will breed them in laboratories. We will make millions of them arm them and send them out against our enemies. Are you coming onto me? A little bit. I got hard talking about this. Wow. So he successfully did a bunch of stuff from the early 1900s. What? Successfully. Not, not any human hybrids, other. So they say he was a pioneer in artificial insemination as well. He conducted experiments and involved artificially in disseminating horses to create superior offspring for Imperial Russia. And this work earned him recognition from the Bolsheviks. Even off was not satisfied with merely enhancing a species though hybridization became his obsession. And he was soon crossing zebras with donkeys, cows with bison and several different species of rodents with each other. In 1910, he brashly declared he could see a human ape hybrid in the future. Isn't this gene splicing though? Have you ever heard of a ligar? But ligars are just hybrids. That's just they breed with each other. A male tiger and a female lion, or the opposite. I don't forget which one it was. Right. But the problem is the reason why ligars are so big, it's, I think it's the male tiger or the male lion, whichever one it is, the male has the gene that regulate size. And when they have the hybrid, that gene doesn't, doesn't transfer. And so the ligars just keep growing. They're huge. Fucking gigantic. I might have fucked that up, but I don't think I did. Even off imported chimps to Russia, inseminating unpaid Soviet women with their sperm. Unpaid. Though none conceived because humans and chimp chromosomes are incompatible. Interesting. Imagine you're a fucking Soviet lady. And you're like, what is this job? You're like done with your legs open. And you stick something inside of you and you get a loaf of bread. What the fuck? We give you the abonable snowman in your womb. How much did they know about genes back then? Genes and chromosomes? So what year was this? 1920. Did they, when did they discover chromosomes? As of yesterday, we just, with their mind, none of you have even known helium was on Earth. Right, that's right. That's right. Yeah, they thought helium was only the sun. Wow. When did they discover chromosomes? Let's find that out. Let's take a guess. Harlan? I'm going to say in the 40s. I'm going to go a little later. I'm going to say 50s. OK. I'm going to say 57. I'm going to say 42. I am purely guessing, though. Me too. No idea. Yeah, what you mean by that is kind of, that's very vague. Because they could have known about them, but like, to what detail and how many there were. Well, let's just just put that in a different perspective. I did, but like it's just-- What is giving the vague answer rate? In the 1800s, they sort of knew about it, but to what detail is until the 19th century? OK, chromosomes were first observed as distinct structures in the cell nuclei in the 1800s. Well, that's pretty distinct. They're talking about it in the cell structures. So they must have been looking at it with microscopes. Once, good light microscopes became available. So that's the 1800s. Their role as carriers of hereditary information was not clarified until the early 1900s through work linking chromosomes to Mendel's law of inheritance. It's 100 years of guessing, which-- What we're guessing about now that we don't know about this. Right. It could mean that it could have been completely wrong for 35 years and then sort of closed for 10 and wrong again for 20. And then it's like, oh, nope, that's what it is. Yeah, wild, right? It's wild how long it took. Well, see, this goes back to AI Joe, giving access to the average person to be able to dig into this stuff, because it might be the guy in aisle 12 at Home Depot who discovers some of these probing answers, you know? Yeah, that's what I love about. You might be like hitting a bon, sitting at home, talking to Chad G.P. Ting, grow, tell me how to make a human monkey hybrid. Exactly. So this guy-- pull it back up again. I was reading about him. This started to say that American backers started sending him some money too. Of course. I was trying to figure it out. They want to get those roted fucking crazy chimp people too. Call me crazy, but I get the feeling you would like to see one of those. 100%. Because physically, it would have to look incredible. It would be insane. Imagine if you get like a Viking, like a Brock Lesnar gene, you splice it with a chimpanzee gene. You have a giant like Thor from Game of Thrones, the mountain, from Game of Thrones. Imagine that guy splicing that guy's genes with a chimpanzee's genes. Well, you keep going to chimp, but what about a silverback gorilla, which is even-- They're not big island. Yeah, they're very calm actually. They're vegetables. They're vegans. Whereas chimps are pack hunters to eat other monkeys. Yeah, they're way more violent. They're way more like us. We're way closer to chimps than we are to gorillas. Yeah, we are. We're closer in our behavior. They engage in war. They have tribal war. They go after tribes. They break off and start new civilizations. But if you're splicing two entities together, you've got the human brain that's, you know, we're sort of wired to be violent. But you just take the physicality of the silverback and marry them together. There is just as wired to be violent as we are, buddy. What? Chimps? No, I'm saying the silverback. Then you have a bigger physical body with our minds. But maybe they'll just chill like the gorillas do. They just go to Miami. You delivered of chimps to a nursery in 1930, but in the light of the questionable ethics and zero progress, even off was arrested and exiled to Kazakhstan, where he died two years later. Some of the apes and monkeys that outlived him were launched into space, which is buttoning machines. You imagine-- You imagine you're a first, they make you fuck some lady and then they shoot you off in a space. Well, you were just eating bananas. Have a good time in the jungle, being a regular chimpanzee. And these mother fuckers make you fuck some janitor and then shoot you into space. The janitor. Successfully implanted an ovary and a few of them. Oh, God. Wow. Fucking psychos. Jesus Christ. Yeah, they've done over the course of history. The Germans, the Japanese, the Chinese. In times of war, they did the most horrific experimentation. They did everything you could do. They'd see how long it would take for a human body to die if you boiled it and skin people. And the things that have been done, the aberrations that have happened are crazy. But this is interesting. This is almost the basis for a movie, I think. Well, it could absolutely happen today. This is where it gets weird. Because now, with CRISPR and with gene editing, how many years are we away from them being actually able to do that? Yeah. Actually able to take whatever genes you have in a person, whatever genes you have in a chimpanzee, pick which ones, which things you want to do, and make a life form. I like it. We know they have the dire wolves now, right? Yeah, the dire wolves. I saw them. I went to visit them. You did-- are they pure? Are they 100% pure? Are they a version of a modern day wolf mixed with a dire wolf? It's a really good question. So that is the question that people always use to dismiss-- or that is the statement that people use to dismiss what they've done, actually creating dire wolves. But when I talked to the woman, who's the hedged geneticist, the way she said it is, these distinctions-- like, what we call something a dire wolf, what we call something a pug, whatever these think distinctions are. These are our creations. and that the genetics are the same.
same. This animal looks like a dire wolf because it is a dire wolf. Some of those genes are in wolves. Some of those genes are in the biological tissue that they got from a thousand-year-old. How old was the tissue that they got from a dire wolf that they used for colossal? I feel like some of it was like 10,000 years old. Something crazy. Where did they find that tissue? What country? They find it in America. When they find fossil, they find like a dead animal. They find something that they can get out of it with and get some DNA. They've managed to get the actual DNA of a dire wolf. 13,000 years old, a tooth from Sheridan Pit, Ohio, and a 72,000-year-old skull from American Falls, Idaho. They get the genes. I'm just butchering this. I'm sorry if you're a scientist. I'm sorry to all the people at colossal. You make a map of what it means to be a dire wolf based on this stuff because you have these samples and then you choose those genes. You add those genes to a gray wolf and then you turn it into a fucking dire wolf and they're all white and they have a mane like a lion which they didn't know they were going to have. Not as big as a lion but it's a pronounced mane. They look different, man. They're weird. Are they bigger in size because they were semi-prehistoric? They're bigger. It's a bigger than a timber wolf. Yes. Wow. Yeah, they're like a 200 pound wolf and they're built different. They're built different. Yeah, they're more stocky and they look different. What's their jaw structure like? Is it different? Bigger, bigger, stronger. It's a bigger, more ferocious animal that lived at a time where it was. What does the term dire mean? Do we know? Dire wolf. That's a good question. What does dire? Let's find out why they're called dire wolves. Yeah. I have no idea. It just sounds dope. I wonder if they ever get sick if they become dire real wolves. Is that where you go with that? No. I really do want to know. That just came to me. But I do want to know where dire comes from. What it means? Fearful or terrible. The Latin words dire is meaning fearful or terrible or awe-inspiringly dreadful. Bro, back then when those things were around and people were around at the same time, you imagine how fucking rough it would be you're in the woods and you're camping out with your buddy and you see a packet dire wolves that recognize you and you know it's over. Well, the thing with wolves though, Joe, and you probably know this wolves traditionally don't hunt down humans. That's not true. Huh? That's not true at all. I don't know is there any record of a human being killed by a wolf? 100%. There's record in a lot of times. Oh, that's not true. That's the reason why they eradicated them from West Coast. I thought that was because they were there was nabbing the cattle. No, they're killing people too. That's what the big bad wolf and the little word bodding hood is all about. They would kill your kids. That's those stories were about avoiding wolves because wolves were dangerous. They're deadly. Do you know that World War I, the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire? Because so many of them were getting killed by wolves in Siberia. Really? That they decided to have a ceasefire kill the wolves and then go back to killing each other. Because my experiences wolves are very trepidacious of humans. They fear them and they avoid them because we killed most of them. But that wouldn't change their hunting instinct. Now, if there were still packs roaming wild and free, if you don't kill the instinct out of them, because then you'd kill their instinct to kill an elk or you've seen wolves. You've seen those in Canada. Yeah. They hunt them in Canada. Yeah. Yeah. That's why they're trepidacious. That's why they're nervous about people. Can we look up how many humans have been killed by wolves? Very rare. Mostly happened in Europe and Asia. Yeah. See, it's not common. It's because we killed them all, Harlan. They're not around anymore. That's the whole point. The reason why they got killed off was because they were a fucking problem. It's not because people were evil and it was a terrible idea. It's because they wanted to live. I think that the wolves were fucking killing everybody. I think the problem once they were killing their domestic cattle. 100%. But not the people so much. No, people too. Really? Yeah. They don't have rules, man. They're predators. They're also, think of it, every living species. Why is it? I can go to a park and a blue J and a squirrel and a deer and a bunny can be just fine, completely different species. But then a little boy walks up a human and they all just go, there's this driven instinct in all animals to fear us which breaks my heart because most of us are loving and want to cuddle and connect with animals, but even insects, dragonflies, hummingbirds, nothing wants to be near us. And so wolves also, all animals are trepidacious of humans. It's sad, but it's true. And if that's part of the bigger program we've been talking about, what does it say about us? First of all, animals are not trepidacious of humans. Have you ever walked up to a wild animal? I've walked up to a lot of wild animals. I know you're being silly, but I'm not being silly. Okay, so realistically all those animals, you said blue J deer, those are all animals that he plants. Okay, if a dog showed up, they would run. Any animal that's a predator is going to scare them. Whether it's a human, we have eyes in front of our face. The reason why you have eyes in front of your face like that is because you're looking to go after something. When you have eyes on the side of your face, you look at for something to go after you. So all those animals like deer and all these little cute little animals, they're all prey. And they're all like super sketchy with anything that has eyes in front of its face that's looking at them. We are a fucking predator. But it would be the same. It was a coyote there. It'd be the same if a dog was there. If a cat or a big cat or a lion was there, if they saw it, they would all freak out because they're prey. Yeah, wolves have killed people. Fact 100% all throughout time. I'm just saying they catch you alone. They catch you in the woods. It if you and five of them, they will kill you. It's it's it's we're not on their dietary list though. Look, because you're not in their area killed by a killer whale. Only at SeaWorld. Right. Because they well, that's different. So why that's a living mammal. Yeah, but there's millions of people in the ocean every day. But there's no record of an orca killing a human because they're trepidaceous of it. No, they're super intelligent wolves and coyotes and not trepidaceous of it. They help us. The community here to play with you. I know, but I'm just saying it's not common for wolves and apex predators to go after humans. It happens. But it's not common wolves. They're very skittish animals. Okay, they're skittish. If they're around people and they think the people might have a gun. If you're in the woods, wolves are not skittish of you. They're thinking about what they're going to do to you and whether or not they're going to eat you. If you have a rifle and you're in the woods and they hear the bloom go off, they're going to get the fuck away from you. They don't know what a rifle is. I'm just saying there's an extinct and instinctual fear of humans for whatever reason. Dude, it's not true. Most critters avoid us, even fish. Critters avoid all predators, all of them. Yeah, but look at the planes of Africa. You'll see a wildebeest and a zebra and it gets out of the spring. If you walked out in the wild of Africa, you're done. Yeah. Yeah. Because you have lions and leopards right there. Yeah. All those animals are freaking out too until one gets taken out. This is the Joseph Campbell story of the hero. One gets taken out and the other one's like, wow, he did it for us because when the lions are eating that one antelope, they're going to leave you alone. You can relax for a little bit. Yeah, that's what it is. I'm just saying they never calm around lions. They run. That's why they run. Right. But I'm just saying wolves are probably more inclined to step around us than attack us. They are more inclined to do whatever they need to do to survive. They will. They're opportunists. And if it's attacking your sheep, then they'll attack your sheep. Right. If it's killing your dog, they'll kill your dog. If it's killing you, if you're 20 miles into the back country and you're camping alone and you don't have a weapon and a pack of wolves shows up and they haven't had anything to eat for a few days, they'll take you down. They'll take you down. But I'm just saying, I'm just trying to instill into you with all this programming talk. There's something programmed into all the other species on this planet. They go, whoa, there's a fucking human. You're wrong. They step around us a lot. No, you're wrong. They won't kill us. But it's anything that's coming near them. They get away from. Right. The reason why they're scared of people is because they have experience with people. That's what they do. Yes, wolves do. Well, wolves in Canada, they get shot at or afraid of people. They know that people have the guns. The guns make the boom. They're smart. A bunch of them die. They see one of them die. They learn that. They see the gun. They see the stick. They run away from the guys. So they stay away from people because people might kill their family members, their pack members. It happens. I think we're. That's when the air is on this one. No, listen, there's a difference between the way bears react in, say, Alaska, then bears react in Montana. So in Montana, you can't hunt grizzly bears. So grizzly bears are not afraid of people because generation after generation after generation have not been hunted. Right. When bears see you in Alaska, that's generation after generation that have been hunted. And they react very differently. They like get the fuck away from the people. Right. But unless they don't know you have a gun and sometimes you have to scare them off. But if they're used to being around people with guns, they associate people with danger. Yeah, that's kind of Pavlovian. That's like when they're not. When they're not like in Montana. But in raw wild bears are quite skittish. I've been around them. I have two, man. It depends on the bear.
depends on whether it's a mother with her cobs. They're not skittish. - They're not skittish. - They're fuck you up. - They're protective, they're no longer hunting, but I'm just saying that there's an element to sadly our human existence that scares a lot of critters. Most animals can exist together in the same area. And yeah, when an apex predator approaches, the zebras will run, but if you look at the hoofed animals and the hippos and the, everything kind of co-exist but when a human walks in, you know, we can't walk up to critters and just pat 'em. You can in the Galapagos. - Okay. - Are we? - No. - Are we having a fight? - No, but a lion can't walk up to a Dejardo and can't meet it. - I'll wrap my legs around you. So fast. - It's not uniquely humans, man. - It's all animals are worried about something that wants to eat them because that's a real part of their existence, right? - It's all animals. If you let your dog loose and you let it around wild animals, they fucking run like crazy, man. They run way more than they do with a person. - Let me rephrase it. If a wild animal comes up on a deer, a predator prey scenario, instinctually they know a predator goes into stocking mode, the deer's gone. - Right. - But if a human, me or you go, "Oh, look at the deer," and we try to walk towards it with nothing but love and affection and we just want to pet it and it's gone. And that's what I'm saying. - You're not saying shit because a dog, the same thing would happen. You're not making any sense. - Yes. - Of course the deer doesn't want you to pet them. It doesn't fucking know you, man. What are you nuts? - Right, but they just flee. - They don't flee like they do with dogs. - I have deer in my neighborhood. And when they see me, they don't give a fuck. They don't care about your car. You're driving in a car. You could stop the car and roll the window down, go, "Hello, Mr. Deer." And they just fucking stare at you. - All I saw, they saw a dog. - Yeah, fucking run, run like crazy. Even my golden retriever, my sweet golden retriever, Marshall. - Yeah. - They run like crazy from him. They blow, they make those crazy noises. - Yeah. - They fucking take off. - They stamp their feet. - Yeah, they're scared of predators, dude. They're not scared of people in my neighborhood because no one's eating them in my neighborhood. It's their conditioning. - I don't know. I'm just talking about you. - You're just stuck on an idea. People are bad, the people are uniquely bad. I wish we could just go hug the poor kid car. - No, I'm not saying people are bad. I'm saying that animals have something in their brain that they don't trust us. - 'Cause we're the apex. We're the top of the food chain. - But it's just sad that-- - It's not. It's way better than being at the bottom of the food chain. Way better than us, like fucking wandering through the woods. If your kids are gonna get eaten by a fucking wolf, 'cause some greeny dipshit decided to import them back into the wild. We need to re-wild out the woods. - But you don't like the wolves or back in the wild. - You know, they just dropped them off in Aspen. These dumb motherfuckers, they dropped them off on a cattle ranch and all they're doing is eating cows. So now they have to have cowboys, 24/7 riding horses because the governor's husband thought it would be a cute idea to drop off wolves in Colorado. And they reintroduced him to an area that has agriculture. They reintroduced him to ranching areas. - Wow. - You don't like-- - Five fucking wolves. They've killed, who knows how many cows? - You don't like them. They have to reimburse them every time a cow dies. They keep killing cows. They're not allowed to kill the wolves. The wolves are around them 24 hours a day, just circling. - Well, that's a fact. - So they have cowboys on horses, all throughout the night. They've got fires. They have to keep people employed. - But outside of the cattle poaching critters, are you for reintroducing and repopulating areas of the-- - First of all, wolves were making the way in the Colorado naturally. They're already in the San Juan Mountains. They're moving in from Wyoming where they live naturally. And when they reintroduced them into Montana, those have spread out all over the place. There's plenty of fucking wolves, man. - But not there's a lot of wolves in the mountains too. - You don't like wolves. - I don't think you want wolves. I don't think you understand what you're saying. You're talking about a pack predator. It's very different than any other predator. They work together in coordination and they're smart. And if not, it's not like a mountain lion. It's not like a thing that acts alone. Once they figure out that the cows are in these wooden pens-- - Right. - And they could just hop the pen, kill a cow, and that's it. They're gonna do it forever. - Right. - But take out the poaching wolves. But the ones that are reintroduced and assimilate in raw nature. I think those are crucial and important to that ecosystem. - It is crucial to have balance. And there's some aspects of having the wolves back in Montana that's actually better for the elk population. - It is. - Because the elk population was very overpopulated in one point in time. They had seasons where they were allowing people to shoot them in the snow in the winter. So like there was so many of them. When they're in the snow, like deep snow, they can't run. So you basically-- - The wolves. - No. - The elk. - The elk. Because before they reintroduced the wolves, they had so many elk. - Yeah. - These elves were running out of resources. - Yeah. - And they realized like they're so overpopulated, we're gonna allow you to shoot them in ways that's not even remotely sporting. They're stuck in snow. - It's called culling. - Yeah. - Just taking as many out of the populations as you can. And look, for the people that live there, it's amazing. You're eating elk 12 months out of the year. You got a freezer, it's fucking delicious. How dare you. - No, I mean, if you eat it all the time. But don't forget, the wolves also preserve the whole ecosystem because the overpopulation of elves were eating so much of the flora that the sides of river banks were eroding. - You're quoting a documentary called how wolves change rivers. - Right. - Yeah, widely disputed. So a lot of the stuff they're saying is not accurate in that documentary. What is accurate is that balance is important. - Yeah. - But a lot of the things are very overstated in that and it turned out to-- - Not be true. - Not, no, a lot of the claims are not true. - Because interesting. There, you can have a pro and the pro is, it keeps the population in check and it puts a natural balance to the area. That's the pro. - Yeah. - This whole changing rivers thing, like. Some of it's accurate. - There's some of it's not. - Yeah, but apparently that documentary was made by a guy who's into rewilding. And he also wants to rewild Europe. So it's very romantic this idea. - Okay. - It is positive to having a balanced ecosystem. There is not positive when wolves get overpopulated. When wolves get overpopulated, that's what you get when you had Russia and Germany having a fucking ceasefire in World War I. Because they were losing so many soldiers to wolves. They all united together to kill the wolves. That's a true story. - But do you ever live in a world where you go? The wolves are part of the natural world. The same way the bison were on the great planes before they eradicated them. - You don't have kids. - No. - Well, I had kids. - Imagine if you had kids and you were walking with your kids and you saw three wolves following you. - Yeah. - And you didn't have a gun. How would you feel about those wolves? When you thought, oh my God, we might get taken out by wolves. And I just thought they were these cute fuzzy things that were a part of nature. - Oh, I don't think of them as that. - The wilderness. - I don't think of them as that. - They're amazing. We need them. - I worked in nature. I've been around wolves. - I know them. - I am on team people. - You are? - 100%. 100% team people. I love all animals. I love them all. - Yeah. - But I love people way more. If it was between a person that I fucking hate that it feels a real piece of shit and I knew that they're gonna get taken out by a wolf but I had a rifle, I'd kill the fucking wolf. 100% of the time. 'Cause I'm on team people. - But it's the whole idea. - The animals are scared of us. - Good. - Be scared, bitch. - No. - It doesn't mean you should do anything bad at those animals, but good, good. - But be scared. - But Joe, isn't it-- - I'm trying to eat my kids. - Isn't it team people that's eradicating all the animals as we encroach deeper and deeper into the Amazon, jungle, the African plains? We're losing. Look at the American bison. There used to be millions of them hurting across the prairies. And now there's isolated pockets. - Right. - But do you know how the elephant hurts? - Look at the silver back gorilla. Look at, there's so many things that are losing to team people that we might not have Siberian tigers in 30 years. - I'm not saying you should go and kill these endangered animals. - I don't say they did by-- - I think they could. - I told you that. - We're not always. That's not true. First of all, the bison thing was not because of encroaching. The bison thing was because of sport hunting where these people were like, "Oh yeah." They were doing it not only sport hunting, market hunting. They were doing it for tongues. Do you know that's what they were getting? They were chopping out their tongues. All that delicious bison meat, they let it rot. - Oh yeah. - And then they were doing it for furs and then they were doing it for bones. Like what this is is like people were fucking insane and rifles were fairly new and long-range rifles were fairly new in human history. - Right. - And then also you got people on trains and you've got these pop shoes. - Now here's where it gets really weird. What stands Dan Flores? There's a guy named Dan Flores who wrote a book on bison. And he has a theory. It's a really good one. The reason why there were so many bison on the planes was because of all the Native Americans that got wiped out by disease. And it totally coincides with it. Because the original explorers that came to America in like the 1400s, they did not describe these enormous population of bison. We would see millions of them on a prairie.
He thinks that that came about because literally when the Europeans visited Native Americans, 90% of the Native Americans died because of disease. Right. 90%. Yeah. I mean, a true apocalypse. Yeah. Imagine 9 out of 10 Native Americans dead because of disease. Well, that means no one's hunting the bison. Right. But. So that was a primary food source for a lot of the Native Americans and it wouldn't take many generations for them. If that was the thing that was keeping them in population, if they have a balanced ecosystem and the population was literally being controlled by these effective North American hunters. Yeah. And all of a sudden they're gone. The population just booms and that's what he was saying. And then along comes the people with the rifles and then the rebuild the rifles. They're finding these sitting ducks just sitting out there and they say there's so many of them. We could just shoot as many as we want. We never have to worry about it. And they're shooting them for tongues. Yeah. Tongues. Have you ever heard of Buffalo head smashed in? Buffalo head smashed in? Yeah. What's that? It's a town in Alberta. That's a real name of the town. That's the real name of the town where on the plains there, there was an optical illusion where it looked like the hills just kept going. But there was a cliff and the Indians would chase the bison along the plains and they didn't know it. And at the end they'd they'd all run over the thing and the Indians would be waiting at the bottom and kill the bison, but they named the place Buffalo head smashed in. Oh, wow. Look at this. Now wild. Wow. So the bison thought they're running on a flat plane and they couldn't see the change in the perspective. So they'd run right over the edge. They did that a bunch of places in North America in North America. They did. There's one of them where they killed so many bison that the rotting of them cause them to burst into flames. Yeah. Yeah. And so you know about that one? Yeah. That's like with whales when they blow off. Yeah. They explode. So the whole side of the hill is like black with coal. Oh, yeah. Because they they've popped the imagine the fucking smell of something where it gets so bad they burst into flames, bro. What the fuck? Instant. Texas barbecue. So they, the Native Americans, when they were really good at hunting doing stuff like that, I mean, they're feasting. They're eating the best meat and they're keeping the population in check. Now, when they all died of disease, that population stopped being in check. And this is Dan Flores. I think it's called, see if you can find the name of it, Jamie. I think it's called bison diplomacy, bison ecology. I think that's what it's called. The nature also provides disease when there is no humans around, okay? Like long before the Indian started hunting buffalo, there were buffalo. Yeah. Bison ecology and bison diplomacy. It's a very interesting paper. He was a professor of history at Texas Tech. Very, very good book and he's got another great book on coyotes, coyote Americans and coyotes. Are you a fan of team human? If team human keeps pushing animals out of business, where, at what point do we push? No, I don't think we push. No, I don't think we push the scales. We're at what? Seven billion now, humans? I think it's more. So at what point are you still a fan of team human when more and more of team animal is being eradicated? And I'm not trying to say we should think humans, what animals are being eradicated right now? Explain how the, the herds of elephants have shrunk down to this. Tigers are down to a few thousand and a lot of that are back guerillas are down to like a few hundred. A lot. Okay. A lot of that is not encroaching. It's illegal poaching. That's a lot of it. It's that, but it's also encroaching. We're using up their land. Some of it, but all of it's like, what do you want those people to do? Like people in India, like where they have elephants just invade their farms and eat all their food? That's what I'm saying, how long are you a proponent of team human to do those diseases for hundreds and hundreds of years, but animals have been for millions. I'm on team people. Okay. If it's your family that needs that farm to stay alive and all of a sudden a fucking pack of elephants comes in and eats all the food that you've been working for a year to plant and grow, what do you think? We should just feed the elephant. I just want to know where you're still. I'd rather see the animals succeed than us if I'm being honest. I love people, but that is ridiculous. Where are the ones? That's a ridiculous thing to say. It doesn't mean the animals are going to go extinct. Don't you think we're a parasite on the back of Eden? Don't you think humans are a parasite on the back of this beautiful paradise? No. No animal dumps nuclear waste or chemicals into rivers. No animal tears down forests, except for beavers. So what makes team human so great? Well, we definitely shouldn't need to change your attitude. We definitely shouldn't do those things, but I am a human and I like humans. I love you. I love you. And the only way that you're going to have humans is if you stay on team human and not say I'd rather have the animals here, they're just going to eat you. They're going to eat you and there'll be no more houses. But if you get pressed a button and get rid of humans with a press of a button and that everything else could just live here harmoniously, would you do it? What do you live in a fucking Disney movie? Or just asking? No. No. No chance. I live in a simulation of a Disney movie. Are you living some bullshit Canadian reality show? Oh boy! He's taken another drink of coffee! He's some of a bitch. You soft fly over this table with my rotten legs and fucking team Canada. I'm just asking you. You're trying to ruin America by bringing in wolves. That's what you're doing. No. He's like a plant. He's a plant. I'm asking you. You're trying to ruin America by bringing in lives of wolves. Do you think humans are a parasite on the planet? I think we are a very complicated intelligent life force that values itself above all else to the detriment of the ecology of the Earth itself. So, however, we could do better. We don't all do that. Right? Every company is not dumping things into rivers. If you had a cancer on your body, would you get rid of the cancer? We're not a cancer, dude. We're a part of the Earth. We are the predominant intelligent life force on this Earth. Who predominantly destroys the Earth? Us. Cancer. We're not destroying it, though. We just do a bad job of keeping it clean. That's a fancy way of saying destroying. Well, most animals hit the butt over the ground. They just don't have it. Hit the button. You're funny. Come on. You want to do it together? You should have kids. I love kids. I love humans. I just wish we could do better. How old are you now? Take a guess. Take a guess. You saw my legs. Take a guess. I'll tell you. No, I'll tell you. I've known you for 30 years. Yeah. So you're at least that. How old? 50 something. I'll be 60, I'll be 64 this year. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But I love humans, but I also. If you had a kid now, it might be a problem. You might have bad jizz. Really? Yeah. You might have old jizz. Have you seen my legs? I see the legs look good. What do you mean bad jizz? You don't have enough? Old jizz. Old jizz. And red. Give that kid an IQ test. Really? Is he a dementoid? I don't know. He's a baby. Maybe her strong jeans, because she's only 12. The girl, no. No. I love it. Shh. No. She's 30. Whatever. She is 30 years old. How old are you now? I'm a kid with him. 58. Oh, wow. Yeah. We look pretty good with your chest and my legs. We're doing all right. Right? Right? Did you ever want to have kids at one point? Yeah. I thought that at one point I would, I thought that at one point I might, but it just didn't work out that way. I was, I was married at one point and is it, it's like, it's hard when you're doing the road a lot. It's hard. Yeah. It is if you make it hard, but I never did the road a lot. I always mixed it so that I enjoyed my life and traveled and did stuff. That's smart. Yeah. That's smart. It didn't work out and who knows, the road ain't closed yet. So who knows? It just checked. Make sure it's good. Yeah. Oh, it's fine. It's thrown into a spectrometer. Oh, my God. I just told you I was on only fans for two hours. Yeah. I realized the Giz. Make sure it's good stuff. Wait. Can sperm actually go bad? Well, when it comes to autism, there's, and maybe even Down syndrome, there's some, there's some people that believe that the older the parents are, and they used to think there was just the older the woman was, and I contributed to those things, another thing it is also likely the father. They're also realizing like a lot of, there was this thing that I was reading about miscarriages from parents where the father drinks, and I was like, wow, that's interesting, because I never really thought that the father being a drunk would affect the sperm, but of course it would. Yeah. Of course it would. And weed, too, they used to say weed effect of the sperm, but I don't know if that's- Well, they used to say it slows it down or something like that. I don't know. You have three kids. I don't know. I don't know. It was Zampic. You give birth to a zombie. You give birth to a fucking jazzed up after all kid. Down. I want to fucking clean this house. Wait, do you have any boys or is it all girls? No, girls. Oh, wow. Do you wish you it out of boy? I just wanted them to be healthy. Yeah. I think wishing that you had a boy or a girl, it's like the universe would give you what it gives you. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. You don't want to wish you had a boy when you had a girl. Just to appreciate the fact that you have a- No, I don't mean eliminate the girl.
God bless the three girls, but if you had one more would it be cool to have a boy? I'm very happy. Oh good. Okay. I don't think about it that way. You're a good dad. Thank you. That's something I picked up on you today. I think everybody should try. Yeah. If you're a dad, you got one shot at this. One thing is it's really nice for me is that I don't have to travel as much because I have a club here. Yeah. You know, when they were young, I had to travel a lot when they're really young because it's like I wasn't making as much money. Yeah. It was like a little bit more difficult and having the club where I don't have to do stand-up somewhere else. I don't have to go on the road all the time. Yeah. So I'm only going on the road occasionally for like the UFC and yeah, and you don't need to either. No. 17. You're done good guy. You're too good. It's nice to see kill-turning like make a completely different career arc for all these people. And you're one of them. It's it's it's it's it's it's taking you to the stratosphere. It's wild. It's it's it's it's Sean a new light on my career. Yeah. It's sort of revitalized in a way. Yeah. You Rob Schneider. Yeah. Caratop. I mean, there's the list goes on and on. There's Kyle Dunnigan. There's so many people that yeah, it just fucking launched them. It's so cool. When Tony asked me to do it two years ago, I'll be honest, I didn't even know what it was. That's hilarious. I didn't know who Tony was. I'd never met him. I knew nothing about it. I was doing your club. And they said, Hey, we're shooting tomorrow. What do you want to stay an extra day? And I said, for what? They go to kill Tony. I said, what is it? And I went on? I had no clue. I had no idea what it was. Are you not online at all? No, I didn't I didn't know anything about that stuff. How do you stay offline? Well, I go online now because I started a podcast and trying to emulate you, but you've been on inspiration. Thank you, by the way, but I didn't know about all that stuff. And so they asked me to go on. And I did my first set with Tony. And I think you watched it. It was the one where I had the checkbook. And then Tony, when they finished the show, he goes, Oh, you're going to be guest of the year. I go, what are you talking about? And then I was guest to the year. And then it just sort of all this stuff. And now I'm about to shoot a movie with Tony as my star. I'm in a director movie with the master's quirk garden where you were pulling the things out of your pants. Yeah, the lines. I said I had a line disease. And I pulled the lines out. Yeah. And what have you pulled a trophy out of your pants? Yeah, Oscar. That's what I won just to the year. I love to pull stuff out of my pants apparently. What is the movie you and Tony are doing? So my next movie that I'm writing and directing is called red necks. And we're going to shoot in September, October with Tony as the star. And I don't know if you'd do any acting anymore, but I want to offer you a part. I don't know if you're interested. Yeah, you don't like it. You'd got no interest anymore. Maybe I could kill it for a day. Just run in and do it in a day. Really? Yeah. Something easy. Be fun to have. Yeah. Where are you going to film it? We're going to shoot in Florida and Kentucky. Jesus. What if I got it for three days? What would you do? We'll talk. We'll talk afterwards. Okay. I really don't like acting. I know. I don't know any time, either. That's also a problem. I know. Like time is my time is rationed. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you still have the passion to act at all or no? Was it? Yeah. I never really had it in the beginning. Yeah. I only did it for money. Yeah. Like I loved stand up and I loved, you know, going to clubs and doing, and then I got a development deal. Was that simple? Yeah. And all of a sudden, I'm on TV. I'm like, all right. Yeah. But it was good that I never had a dream for it because then I didn't have a lot of anxiety about it. Yeah. You know, it was more like it was fun to do. Yeah. Me too. Because I was always like, I'm just going to go do stand up like this. Yeah. It's the same way. Yeah. It's better that way because the people that it like where it's there, oh my god, it's happening. It's like so overwhelming for them. Yeah. I see people have anxiety when they're about to do their scenes and I was like, Jesus, man. Chill out. Well, we're so used to performing a front of audiences. Yeah. That for some people, the moment, like for young actors, the moment when it's like action and you walk in and then you see that crowd, it's overwhelming for some people. Yeah, it is. It's very hard for them to find that comfort level that allows them to perform at the level that they know they can. Yeah. They might be really good actors, but the feeling is so overwhelming, they can't find the rhythm. You know what the opposite of that was for me and I don't know if you had this experience. We were used to performing in front of live audiences doing stand up where they're like reacting immediately. We do a joke. They laugh. But now when you're doing a movie or TV, suddenly you're in front of an audience who are cameraman and directors and make it and they just stand there. They don't laugh. Right. And that became like the opposite of what we do. So when I first started doing TV and movies, I'd get anxiety because it's like, well, they're not laughing. They're not reacting. They're just standing there with all these technical people and that freaked me out a little bit, but I had to overcome that. Yeah, that is weird. If you think it's really funny and then you're saying it and no one's laughing because they're just making a movie. Right. Because it's not like the cameras are there by themselves. Right. Because people behind the cameras and you're doing it for people. Like 50 people will be standing there while you're doing a scene with a cigarette in the hand, drinking coffee, shaking the head, checking notes. And did that throw you when you first started? Well, news radio luckily was in front of an audience. Yeah, that's true. So when you do this, they were between the audience and you was all those people. I was in cameras. Yeah, but the people laughed at all the jokes. Okay. If they were good, you know, if they were good jokes. So that was to me was like a different way of delivering jokes. Yeah, it was still it was fun. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the sitcom, but the only way to do it right is to have really good writers. And that's hard to find, man. Like news radio had that and really good performers. But if you're on a bad one, you're in hell. You're in hell and you just collect in checks. Yeah. And you just good checks though. Good check. That's the problem. Yeah. That's the problem. The velvet prison. Yeah. Those are the guys that wind up doing drugs. The guys that are on a show that they hate. Yeah, they yeah, you go straight to and a half man. So fucking Charlie Sheen and it's part of it. Part of it is just like you're in that lifestyle anyway. But part of it is also like I don't want to do this. Yeah, you know, I experienced I don't want to do a sitcom. I'm bored. I'm bored with these lame punchlines. And next thing, you know, you're smoking crack and running from the cops. You know what I realized to us with these sitcoms, it's they all keep borrowing the same premise. Like I did three different sitcoms and it's like, Oh, now we're doing the episode where the lead guys somehow dating an SNM queen. And now we're doing the episode where Jim gets his car stolen. Like you start to realize like there's about 40 different episodes. But they all just insert them and sort of change them a little. And it's really very weird. Yeah, so many premises. Yeah, right. Yeah, well, that's just the uncreative ones. I mean, that's why curbing enthusiasm was so amazing. Yeah, they didn't repeat anything. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's what was fucking incredibly creative and bizarre. And no audience. That's right. Another one. No audience. Yeah. But the ones, the ones that that were fresh were the ones that didn't. It was more like the traditional sitcoms that just plugged in the premises. And I was like, it's like, Oh my God, I've already done this. But there's something to that form where it's that when it's done really well, it is very enjoyable. It's very comforting. Like I always thought like I saw clips of the Big Bang, I never watched the Big Bang until I started watching it with my kids. And I'm like, this is a fucking very funny show. It's like a really good show with like very defined characters really well made. And I had this prejudice of it. I think because I had seen some clips where they were doing like retakes and there's no audience. So I'm saying the jokes with no laughs behind them. It just seems kind of lame. But everything seems lame. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Retakes of news radio seemed lame to the why we were doing them. Yeah. But when I watched the shows, like there's something comforting about this kind of a show and I wish they still did them. They don't do that anymore. They're dead. They're dying. They're gone. Miss Pat is the only one that I know of that has an actual sitcom right now. Like a three cam. Mm hmm. She's got a live audience sitcom. Wow. Yeah. I don't think anybody else does or if they do. I don't know about it. They used to be fucking communist shit, man. Yeah, that was that was the goal. That was the dream to go get a sitcom. But isn't it weird that we still enjoy them? Yeah. But yet no one makes them anymore. Yeah. I think they've been knocked out of contention because they're so set up. Whereas we live in this world now where people just scroll real life. But why? Because a drama's are still on TV. Yeah. There's still a million NCSI, whatever the fuck those that shows are. There's a million of those shows. That's the Hulk lawn or special victims unit. So those kinds of same premise shows of cops and lawyers and all that. Yeah. Those still exist. The medical examiner shows, the forensic examiner show. Those shows exist. So how come all these, you know, there's yeah, a resurgence of rancher shows. No, everyone's a rancher. Right? This is just 15 rancher shows now. So those shows exist, but no sitcoms. As the incredible Hulk one said, mean not know why. I think it's a giant mistake because I think
think you could make a sitcom right now, whether Paramount Plus does it or one of those organizations, extremes. You could make a great fucking multi-cam sitcom right now. - Yeah, I don't even turn on the TV anymore though. I think people are being weaned right off a television. We're in a transitional phase. I think that's hard. - You don't watch Netflix. - Dude, I rarely ever, when I used to go on the road, I would check into a hotel and turn on the TV right away. I don't think I've turned on a hotel TV in about six years. - Really? - I don't even turn it on. When I go home, I watch my TV maybe once a month. If that, I don't even look at it anymore. - So do you look at your phone? - I look at my phone. - That's it. - That's it. - It's bizarre. I'm even weirded out by it. It's like, what am I doing? - You never sit down and watch a movie? - Rarely. It's very rare. - You should do that. You should watch a movie. - I know. - It's the very entertaining. - People should watch my new movie. Can I say something about it? - You don't watch movies and you make 'em? - Yeah. - You have fucking crazy that is. - Yeah. - What's wrong with you? - I'm crazy. - I'm crazy, all right. - What is your new movie? - You mind me talking about it? - Please do. - Are you sure? - 100%. - I wrote, directed, and starred in a new movie that just came out a few days ago called "Wing Man." And it's on streamers, Apple TV, and it's on prime, prime video. And I play a crazy "Wing Man" that helps people get laid. - Nice. - Yeah. - And it's with Jamie Kennedy, Russell Peters, Kayla Wallace, Evan Marsh. - Oh, nice. - Sheven Nagar, and-- - Did you make this yourself? - Well, we made it with a studio. Start us pictures up in Canada with David Lipper and Justin Levine, and it's a full-on movie. We shot up in Canada. - Nice. Yeah, really proud of it, and I hope people check it out. I hope you check it out. - That's awesome. - Yeah. - I'll check it out if you promise to watch movies every now and then yourself. - I'll do it if you promise to be in my next movie, and we'll watch it together. - It's an offer. - Okay. - We can talk. - Okay, I'm excited. - I'd love to see you get back into doing a little acting. - I like that there are comedy movies again. I really do. - Yeah. - That's nice. - Well, one with I'm gonna do with Tony is full-on. That's why I'm sort of asking you, 'cause I wanna see you get your comedy face in there again. - What is it about? - It's about a redneck culture, and this is the part where you really love it, 'cause I know you love vehicles. It centers around something called a mud bog, where guys in Florida jack up their pickup trucks and drive through mud for three days. It's not monster trucks. They just drive through mud and jump and spray, and then the other part of the movie takes place in those air boats that drive through all the marshes in Florida. And you would be the mayor of this town and get into it with Tony, who becomes one of these mug-bod guys, so you'd be around all this shit. - Good Lord, Florida is a different part of the world. - Isn't it wild? - Is it wild? Look at these fucking cars. That's crazy. You got an old Camaro? - Yeah. - This is what they do. Tell me you wouldn't like to be around that. - Did you scroll back up please? - It's so fun. - So the movie's getting into the world of mud bogging in the North Central Florida. - Yeah. So Tony's gonna be the lead guy who tries to win the whole mud bog thing. But meanwhile, the mayor, which would be you wants him out of town 'cause he's such a redneck. He doesn't like the culture. - Oh Jesus. - Look at that. (laughing) - Florida is so different. - Ooh right. This is such a different place. - Yeah. - God. - So we're gonna have fun doing that. But yeah, thank you for letting me mention Wingman. - It's awesome. It's when you do an indie project. It helps to be able to talk about it. So thank you. - If you got an offer after this show to do a sitcom, would you consider doing it? And if someone said listen, I think we could bring back the multi-cam sitcom. But we want you to star in it, Harlan. - I would if it was, if it's all about the material. 'Cause me and you were older. I think as we get older, it becomes about how do we want to dedicate our time? I'm not interested in just doing, oh I got a sitcom. It's gotta have meaning to me. - Of course. - It's gotta be something where I think. - If you could help create it. - Oh yeah. - That's what I'm saying. - 100%. - All those guys that used to work on all those shows, like Seinfeld and friends. And they have to still be out there in the world. - Oh yeah. - In that nuts. Like you imagine back in the 90s, when everybody wanted to sitcom, when we were first coming up. If you said, you know, one day they'll be no more sitcoms. You'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? You would have never believed that. If you went into these rooms, where they were making sex in the city and the single guy and all these rooms would say, "Hey guys, enjoy it while you can." - Yeah. - Because in a couple of decades, there's gonna be zero sitcoms on television. They would have just laughed. - Yeah. - They would have kicked you out of that office. You don't know what you're talking about. Meanwhile, that's true. - Well, this is why I love, I hate, I'm just gonna go back to a quickly AI because it shows we're evolving. - You know, remember Joe, at one point, movies were black and white. They didn't have sound. - Really? - Yeah, yeah. They were, and then talkies came and color and digital, and so I love it that every form of our entertainment is evolving and becoming, there's stuff gonna come that we don't even know which I love. - Me too. - Yeah. - But I think sitcoms didn't have to go away. That's what I'm saying. - Yeah, maybe not, but maybe so like the new way, like your daughters probably don't wanna sit out for half an hour. - They love sitcoms. - They do? - They watch old ones. - Okay, well, I was wrong. - I was really wrong. - Well, I'm hurting. - Me and my youngest, we sat through the entire season, I mean, the entire, all seasons of Big Bang Theory. That was me and my family, we watched that one. - Huh. - Yeah. - My wife and my, and then we watched Young Sheldon, which was the next version of it. Young Sheldon was really good. It was, it was a single cam show. - Yeah. - And it was Sheldon as a young kid. It was the genius kid as a young boy. - Yeah. - Very funny show, but totally different. Like really cute, sweet show, but not in front of a live audience. And I think there's something I loved doing news radio. A really good, and, but it was just because it was insanely talented cast, and we were all like brothers and sisters. We were, we had so much fun. - Family. - For five years, we worked together. We got drunk all the time, and it was so silly. It was such a fun set. - It's like summer camp. - Yeah, it was really fun. It was really, and the show I think was really good. - Yeah, it did well. - But it did well. - And also here's the best part. It was never really successful, which was great. Because none of us got really rich or famous from that show. It was really, it was, it was always like, not doing so well in the ratings. We got moved nine times in five years. And this was back for the internet. So you could like, send out a tweet, "Hey, we're on Sunday nights now." - Wow. - And it was back also when nobody had-- - This is a new show. - I just saw this trailer there the other day. This is a spin-off from Big Bang Theory, but it's not a, just like, you know, in front of an audience sitcom. And it's not multi-cam either, I suppose, but it was popping up. - Oh, no shit. - Yeah. - It's called, bruh. Stuart fails to save the universe. - Uh-huh. - But it's a new show, you know? - Okay. - It's a comedy. It is a 30 minute. - So it's in that universe. - Yeah, yeah, even like that the logo was like, the same kind of-- - Well, it's on HBO. - Yeah. - Nice. - Wild. - Yeah. Huh. Who's created more bangers than that Chuck Laurie guy? - Oh my God, yeah. - That guy's created so many big sitcoms. - He just looked at the other way. - He was Big Bang Theory, what's up? - An article he wrote, or I just read interviewing him, said that those shows kind of died because like, the office and a curb kind of killed it. - Interesting. - For a while. - The single camera, the single cam, no audience. - Yeah. - I'm also also thinking I wouldn't want to go sit and watch a taping of a show right now. How much would they have to pay an audience to do that? - Right. - Well, you only have to pay the audience until the show becomes successful. - True. - Yeah, I guess people would want to go. - Yeah, you don't really want to pay an audience 'cause they're not as much fun. Like, news radio in the beginning, nobody knew who the fuck we were. But by season three, the audience was news radio fans. And it became a totally different thing. It was really fun. And Phil Hartman used to do stand-up. - Oh, nice. - He had talked about doing stand-up in the clubs, but he was really good at impressions. He would do Bill Clinton impressions. He had bits, little things he would run. And he would just do it for fun. And we talked about him actually doing it in clubs and he thought about doing it. But it was the whole thing was silly. Like Andy Dick would address the audience. People would answer questions. We had a good warm-up guy. It was like a party that was going on. Everybody had a great time. And that was after the show caught its year. But it never was popular until it became syndicated. Then was the syndication. Then it became really popular. - At least cheers was sort of popular. Every week they'd put out at the top 100. And my sitcom was always number 99 or 100. So at least cheers was probably up in the top 30. - No. - One day Lou Morton was one of our writers and Lou every week would show up with a t-shirt, with the number on it, that he would draw with Magic Marker of what we were. And one day showed up and it said 88, I go 88. He goes, yup, I go, no, he goes, yeah, I go, fuck. - I was 100 every week. - Well, what network are you on? - The WB. - We were on NBC. - Yeah, okay. So WB didn't have affiliates all across the country. We only had like 60%. - 88.
NBC is you're barely alive but still a hundred hurts yeah hundred well they always always tell us don't worry we're not worried about the numbers we know you got to find your audience again now you're on Monday night yeah you spend Sunday and you and one time we were on Thursday night we were in the friend sandwich so as friends and Seinfeld which was Paul Sims the executive producer of news radio famous called the shit sandwich because in between friends and Seinfeld you would have like Caroline in the city and these shows that weren't as good do you want to hear about salt in the wound yeah so mine was show was number one hundred okay it was called Simon it was me I was the star I played Simon Jason Bateman played my brother look at that and the lead girl Andrea Bendowald we ended up dating she became my girlfriend her best friend was Jennifer Aniston she lived with Jennifer so I would go and stay at Jennifer's house every night with my girlfriend we were like three's company and I'd have to sit there and watch friends with Jennifer the number one show well me and on trailer at the bottom number one hundred it was like I mean love Jennifer was so happy but talk about salt in the wound it was like oh damn isn't it crazy though but you're on TV you're living a dream this is one of it was great it was great the earliest social media was the the variety magazine and the Hollywood report yeah that was like the same thing with these people compare themselves to everybody else yeah look at the rankings and I would show up on the set and you know like all these people love to read those things and they were reading those things and I started calling the devil's rag I go why are you reading the devil's rag I go because they were we're complaining like I believe we're number 36 we were on you know Thursday night we would be number two or number one or whatever and I go last time I checked I'm on TV yeah I go we're on TV we're on TV on NBC there's not a lot of people to get to be on TV yeah like this is great we're living the dream so we're not number one like you guys are reading that and you're forgetting how many people that your friends with that are going on additions right now they would kill yeah to be on NBC but it's the devil's rag it's the same thing that happens with you know you say whoa I just got a new car I'm pretty happy that all Jeff Bezos got a yacht fuck all beyond I was like you I was like I'm on TV but I got to tell you we got deeper into the season and I had to sit there beside Jennifer Aniston and watch her number one show every week and all the 100 is sitting beside her I got to say it it's it started to see Ben where you're just like fuck I'm on TV you know it's like there are days when it's just you can feel not blaming her but just the business it was hard to sit at one end and see the other but if that's the way it works it's the way it is but yeah you got to really just be happy oh it's great you're winning the lottery yeah you you won the lottery you just didn't win the mega powerball yeah and I loved it I got to work with Jason and I you know I was the star of my I came from the suburbs of Toronto never thought I'd do anything here I'm I got this I'm the star of my own sitcom Simon I'm like this is unbelievable yeah I share your attitude yeah yeah yeah and there's a lot of them they don't work man yeah I was on the set and we were there like so you'd go a sunset gower and there'd be a bunch of other places that were next to you yeah and I go visit with all those guys because like a lot of them are like Lenny Clark Lenny Clark was right down the street and he was on the John Larry Ketchow do you remember that yeah I got a little story about that when you're done I'll tell you tell me are you sure you don't want to finish John Larry Ketchow you so before I got my own sitcom so I was in Hollywood I did two auditions I did one for Ellen DeGeneres's first show is called these friends of mine and I was a guest star on the show with Molly Shannon and then my second audition was for the John Larry Ketchow and I went in an auditioned and the feedback to my agents was John said this guy wants his own sitcom and I said to my agents I said you damn right I do and the next gig I got was my own sitcom oh that's hilarious cheers pretty cool so you think he didn't like you because you wanted your own sitcom or he thought you were too good for his show because you want your own sitcom I think he must have sensed I walked in there with attitude or cockiness which I didn't I just did the audition but he must have been reading my vibe somehow well that's you yeah so people that that's how you like people that don't you know you this Harlan you've always been like this I have a moment I met you yeah you've always been like this very happy very confident guy you never look rattled to do a show you always think you're having a good fucking time oh yeah all of us like there was moments where everyone had a big show and you're like fuck real nervous you were never like that no you were always like happy-go-lucky yeah I don't know one person that doesn't like you oh wow you know crazy that is no I'm not a married but you know how crazy that is like I know every comic that I know has a comic that they don't get along with that they hate yeah someone hates them or they hate them or there's some fucking fuck that guy that guys piece of shit his comedy sucks no one says that about you do you know amazing that is I'm that's a we're talking about that green room one day we were talking about in the green room because it was after you came on with Dimitri I was I told everybody it was howl and okay he waited the whole show before he pulled his fucking steak out of his pants by the way that snake sat right in front of Donald Trump and he was here I loved it I told you that I know you did so that conversation that we had in the green room was like who the fuck do you know that doesn't like Harlan we all sat around and talk about it there's no one you are you are like the most you know universally love comedian that I know oh my gosh defend Tony to everybody yeah Tony yeah I've to go he's a great guy yeah he's a great guy yeah just like in that world you have to understand the roast world like that is not the real world kids that is you're going for blood you know like if you're in a cage fight and you elbow someone in the face it's not because you're a bad person you have to that's your job that's the game replay if you don't do it you're you're you're letting yourself down you gotta go in and fight yeah that's the game we're playing these the rules that we're under yeah we're all talking shit yeah yeah yeah it's and so when you see people complain about it yeah say I understand the general public that's not aware what roasts are because the reality of roasts are especially for like if you're a 22 year old kid the last time they were roasts on television before the Tom Brady bros was literally 10 years ago yeah like do you remember the Charlie Sheen Rose the Donald Trump rose the Comedy Central Rose they said all the time all the time they were a long time ago yeah it's a long time in the zeitgeist yeah so those things don't exist to kids to kids comedy is joking about stuff comedy is Chris rock comedy is Kevin Hart comedy is Louis CK that's what they think of comedy is they don't under they don't even understand the jokes like that this is roast jokes are fucking mean they've always been fucking mean they can be cruel to personal ruthless go back and watch all those old comedy central ones they were fucking brutal yeah they were brutal Patrice would just eviscerate the entire fucking stadium those things the thing is like if you're a person and you're not accustomed to roast and you don't get why those jokes are so mean I get it but comedians comedians that are getting upset about these roast jokes fuck all the way off just fuck all the way all the way you fucking traitor all the way off yeah you know what this is you know exactly what this you're a fucking traitor you're just using this moment to try to boost yourself up to try to like knock down what's happening in these you could disagree with the content you could say I think they went too far with this I don't think but that this this fucking pretending that these people are actual racists and Nazis just because they're telling these jokes that are in a roast yeah fuck all the way off yeah don't suit up go out and play hockey if you don't want to play hockey yeah like sit on the bench yeah and don't don't bad mouth the people playing hockey yet it is what it is and that's the game that's the game of playing we're playing this ruthless and by the way you know you didn't have a problem with it Kevin fucking heart yeah Kevin fucking heart has defended every single person that said horrible shit about him about him being lynched from a bonsai treat all the crazy shit that they said what you know who else didn't have a problem with it is the people the corporations that put it on corporate television on corporate airwaves so there's a whole subsection of the foundation of where these the platform that they're given they didn't care about it either they won't do it well they knew from the Tom Brady roast yeah for those things right the Tom Brady roast was the number one watch thing in Netflix history wow there's more than 55 million people watch that thing I got to say I'm not the hugest fan because I don't love cruel humor as much but but I do love it that that Tom Brady roast I feel like it kicked wokeness over the cliff like those buffalo we were getting so woke and we needed that roast to sort of course correct there's two things it killed woke number one kid rock gunned down a whole fucking stack of blood like kids that was that was so good that might have been it I was gorgeous yeah because then they got to see the real financial consequences of being fucking completely insane yeah yeah people that were fed up yeah
like enough, and kid rocks ain't fuck you in, has your bush like, that is, that's a big hit to the stock price. And then people realize, oh, this is a micro set of people that are very loud, but it's not the macro. It's not, it's not, it's not the general population. - It's even smaller than micro, it's like micro micro. - Not only that, but the people that were in it, a lot of them abandon ship. - Yeah, a lot of them abandon ship. - Virtue signaling is done. - It's just real, they got caught up in a thing that was like the way people were behaving, and so they imitated what was going on in their social groups. It's a normal thing that people do, but it just, it wasn't rational, and that's why it got shot down by a kid rock. - By the way, what kind of gun did he use? I don't know guns, I bet you know what he use. - I think he used an AR. - What's that? - Would go back and look at it, it's a salt rifle. - Is it like, like automatic? - semi-automatic, I mean, maybe he used it automatic. He's in Tennessee, they have some solid gun laws. - He just blasted away. - I'm trying to have whatever you want. - How many in a clip for an AR, do you know? - It's called a magazine, and see, I don't know. - Canadian, I don't know. - I don't know anything about guns. - They vary. - A magazine. - They took all your guns up there in Canada. - Well, we never asked. - So what does he shoot in there? - Wow, look at it. - Yeah. - Let's see, let's see the video of him doing it, and I can kind of tell you better. - That's wild. (laughs) - Kid Rock shoots back at Bud Light. How many views does this have? How many views does this video have? - There's some news reporting of it. I don't mean to get in post it on YouTube. - Look at this. Oh, man. Okay, that's an AR thing. - That's the magazine. - But it might be a fully automatic. - That's not a clip. - Lemme hear it, please. - Oh, he shoots that pretty fast. - Yeah, I think that's fully automatic. Yeah, that's fully automatic, 100%. - Wow. - So he has some kind of machine gun. - I wanna shoot up a six pack of Dr. Pepper just for fun. I love Dr. Pepper, but now I wanna shoot some pop. - Why don't you just go shoot something you don't like? 'Cause it's kind of symbolic of something you're trying to kill. - Wolves? - Yeah. - I love wolves. You wanna shoot a wolf. We're not going back to the wolves. - Depends on where they are. - For good. - Listen, if wolves are in the mountains and they're just being wolves and they're eating elk and deer, and I'm all for wolves, I'm not an anti-wolf person, but I think you shouldn't bring them into residential neighborhoods and drop them off in ranches. I think that's fucking ridiculous. - I'm bringing you back. - But I think that wolves in the wild are important. I'm not an anti-wolf person. I just don't like people doing what I call ballot box biology, where you get people to decide by voting that are never gonna experience these wolves. Do you think we should reintroduce wolves to Colorado? And all these people that just got back from Whole Foods, like yeah, that would be amazing. I heard it was gonna help the sprouts grow, and they vote yes, and then these poor lambs are getting eaten alive. - Have you shot a wolf? - No, no, I don't want to hunt wolves. I mean, I would shoot a wolf if I thought the wolf was like endangering my family trying to kill my dog or something like that, but I love wolves. I don't like wolves, I think they're awesome. - I think they're awesome. - Have you ever heard a wolf howl in the wild? - No. - It's very haunting, it's very ghostly. Even more, I know you've heard coyotes, but a wolf has this long, howl, it's almost, I can see why native Americans are so spiritually connected to it, it's very ghostly, and it's spiritual almost. It's a very beautiful sound. - No, they're amazing animals, but. (horn honking) - That's pretty good. - Sort of like that. (horn honking) (horn honking) - Do you know if you do that? I had a friend who had a wolf, I had a friend who had wolves, and if you do that in his house, they start howling. - Oh yeah? (horn honking) - Yeah, they go nuts. - Yeah, I would go over his house and. (horn honking) - Father? - Wild, what a wild animal. - They're amazing. - Noise. - Look, they're incredible. - They're incredible. - That's, that's so awesome. - I saw one in the wild. - And by the wild. - They're important to keep populations. I just don't think you should reintroduce them to fucking Aspen, you assholes. - I don't know. It might be fun to see a pack of timbers taking down a skier. Like Charlie Sheen coming down the hill with Denise Richards and. - Do you think, well, Timberwolves like take them down? - There was a movie rip out there. - There was a movie about that called Frozen, not like the let it go, let it go. - Oh yeah, it was with Liam Neeson. - No, that was the Gray. The Frozen movie is someone who has their movie. - It's a hard, I know all the Wolf movies. It's a hard movie about these kids that are skiing and they get stuck on a ski lift because they forget they're up there and there's wolves down there. - Okay. - And they get killed. So the guy falls in his legs, break, and then the wolves come and get 'em. - So you're gonna get mad at me, but I don't, a movie like this one scare me because I just know wolves to be skittish. Like this. - You're out of your mind. - Like lions, leopards, jaguars, like forget it. They'll take you down, but my experience with wolves is there's more skittish around humans, but I don't wanna get into it again. We can go to Arby's later and have a fight. - If you have a broken leg like that guy did in this movie. - Oh yeah, then bleeding and then they can smell it. - Okay, then you're done. - Right now, look at, watch it, they're eating 'em. They're eating 'em. They're killing the man. - Is that Denise Richards? - No. - No. - It looks like Drew Barrymore. - They live, they live, also a spoiler. No wolves in New Hampshire. It's all bullshit. - Yeah, there probably wasn't one point. - Yeah, they killed 'em all because they were killing people in a lifestyle. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You know how they killed 'em too? Most of them they poisoned. What they would do is they would inject strict nine into horses and leave the horse carcass in the horse. - Oh wow. - And then they would all die. - Wow, they did a lot of trapping too. Those cruel, the snap traps. - They did that too. - I knew some old trap guys up when I worked up north and these guys, you might not want to hear this, but the way they'd take 'em out is they'd trap 'em in the leg traps and then they didn't want to damage the pelt. So then they walk up to the mother trap and they just clog 'em, they club 'em to death. - Like are they club seals? Like better. - Yeah. - Horrible. - Yeah, that's, I don't like that. - The clubbing seals, man. - That was rough. - That was rough. - Do you ever see those videos? And the seals, at least a wolf would run away. These seals, they're just laying out sunbathing and they walk up and just bam, smack and pop their skulls. - I know, and you're doing that for their fur. - And the babies, they'd smack the babies 'cause they had that beautiful white fur. - Oh my gosh. - These things are like a chromosome away from being a sex toy, they're so cute. (slurping) - Wow. (groaning) - Wolf's a good. - Yeah. - You just don't want 'em in your neighborhood. - I do. - You should be in the woods. - I love 'em. I won't mind if they were around. - Let me say that. - Let me say that. Do you have a dog? - I've had 'em. - What if you came out and your dog was getting eaten alive by wolves? - Glate dogs. - I lost one of my dogs to coyotes. I remember the day you told me your pit bull went up and took out a whole squad of coyotes. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it wasn't my pit bull. - Oh, I thought it was yours. - Your neighbors? - It was one of my friends who worked at a pet store. It was also worked at a veterinarian's office. - Oh, okay. - And he told me the story about this pit bull that came into the veterinarian's office. It was covered in cuts. - Oh, okay, okay. - Big pit bull. - Yeah, you told me this, like, like 10, 15 years ago. - Yeah, it was like one of those, you know? - There's these companies that take pit bulls and they breed them and make 'em like 120 pounds to keep breeding on bigger, but this was one of those. This thing was a fucking tank. - Like a tank. - And he said it was covered in cuts. And they asked the guy, like, what happened? And he goes, I don't know, you know, I came home. He was all fucked up and bleeding. - Yeah. - So he brings him in, they stitch him up. And then the guy follows the blood trail out into the hills and finds nine dead kindness. - Yeah, I remember you told me that. We were at the store one night, and you told me that you'd just heard it. I was like, well, that is the nuttyest fucking story. - That story stayed with me, 'cause it was so like crazy. - He said it looked like Vietnam. - Yeah. - He goes, they were just, their necks were torn apart. Their fucking legs were broken. 'Cause this pit bull, once he grabs a hole, then he just starts shaking him. - I always weigh like 30 pounds. - Yeah, they're not super big. - But they would do this thing where they would, like, corner an animal, and they would trick it. And when they would trick it, they would send one animal out there to get chased. - Yeah. - And so that, the dog would chase it, and they would all come from the sides and tear it apart. - Yeah, they were really smart that way. - They fucked with the wrong dude. - Yeah, wow. - That crazy story. - I remember that one, you told me that. I was like, that's crazy. - Yeah. - Wow. - They're everywhere now. They're in-- - Coyotes are everywhere. - Everywhere. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - They're really cool too. Coyote America, that book by Dan Flores, the same guy who wrote it. Bison Ecology, Bison Diplomacy. He wrote this amazing book about coyotes. He explains why they're everywhere. 'Cause gray wolves and coyotes don't breed, but red wolves and coyotes do. That's why you have those coy wolves on the east coast. - Yeah. - Gray wolves have always killed coyotes. - Yeah, yeah. - So when gray wolves find coyotes, they kill 'em. And so coyotes are used to being persecuted by the gray wolves and then they just keep moving to new places. That's what they do. So that's how they made it all the way across the country. So when people were killing coyotes or people were trying to hunt coyotes, they just moved. They just moved to new places. - Yeah.
Now they can adapt. I see him in my front lawn almost every other week. Yeah, they're everywhere. Yeah, I'm in the Hollywood hills in there I see him walking right past my swimming pool. I mean, it's not cool if you have a dog or a cacti you will eat them But they they are cool. They're it's a cool animal. Oh, they're really cool. And they're their houses are wild too These yips in the middle like Well, they go off sometimes if there's a fire engine goes by and Hollywood Yeah, the coyotes will react to it and go off. They also keep the rats down like so that's why you don't see a lot of rats Yeah, they keep the rat population down. Oh, yeah If they if they killed up all the coyotes, it would have a devastating effect for the ecosystem too There would be a bunch of shit that would be around all the time now. They're killing and eating. Yeah Yeah, no, they're they're cool animals, man. There was a A girl speaking of being killed by wolves. There was a girl in Prince Edward Island about Oh 12 years ago, I think she got killed by coyotes. She got killed by a pack of coyotes. Yeah, she's out running with her walkman on him She was like a promising folk singer. Yeah They said that those coyotes were unusual because they were used to killing moose No killing moose. Yeah, the coyotes would literally they were going after a bigger game because there was a lot of game there So they were used to packing together and like taking out the moose by like attacking their legs. Yeah, keep cutting at their legs Yeah, they're until they can't run. Wow, I've never heard of coyotes taking out a moose. Yeah We looked it up on the shows like this was a very unusual area. Yeah And it's one of the reasons why they think these coyotes killed this girl and she wasn't big. She was smart. Yeah, she was out jogging Yeah, but that's the thing man. They they don't have rules. They don't like well We don't fuck with people and people don't fuck with us But the orcas seem to they seem to understand what we are they've saved people Even out in the wild like people that fell overboard they've saved them Yeah, isn't it strange that such a Probably the top predator in the sea next to the sperm whale The killer whale could take whatever it wants. Yeah, and somehow instinctively it leaves humans alone I yeah, I don't really understand it and that's why I talk about sort of the programming of nature to Step around human somehow because it doesn't make sense humans look like seals were the same body shape the same Weight pretty much and yet orcas. There's no documented kill of a human on by an orca. I know other than the worlds Yeah, well, they're so smart and their brains are huge. They're huge brains We just equate intelligence with your ability to manipulate your environment like so they don't have a house They don't have cell phones. They must be idiots, but we don't know and they they clearly understand that we're different than everything else But that's what I mean all I think all the critters do what we are Yeah, show some respect bitch with the ones with the guns. Uh, it's B.O.T. B.O.T. Thank you. I mean look we both love animals. Yeah, I know you love animals. I love animals too. I just love people more I love people The same But if it came to deciding whether we left earth with humans or animals I'll be honest. This will sound mean I'd give it to the animals. Why? Because they don't know cruelty. That's not true. They don't know That's honest. Do you know they just listen you're saying you're talking crazy talk Do you know how bears kill things? They just eat them. They hold them down. They eat them. They don't even kill them first But it's not it's not from cruelty. It's for survival. It doesn't matter. It's still cruel. Have you heard of Hiroshima? Yeah, I have That was probably less cruel than a bear eating you asshole first No, but there's no intent with a animal And just trying to eat you an animal doesn't have intent Brad, but the end result's still the same if you you're we're getting eating asshole first by grizzly bear You're not thinking well. He doesn't have intent to be cruel This is just how he eats me asshole first. This is but he has to eat you He can't go to the grocery store. He doesn't have to eat you He could kill you first and then eat you like your cat does but he doesn't know how he doesn't realize he's being cruel We do. No, no, no, he doesn't care. Right. He doesn't know how he could definitely kill you If you were a bear and they were fighting he would grab you by the neck and he would kill you like they try to kill each other But when they eat you, they're not they just don't care. Right. Well, that's what I mean. There's no malice whereas humans But the result is the same. You're not going to take comfort in the fact that it doesn't have malice while he's eating your dick Wow, it's pronounced gourd You know that video Well, the audio of grizzly man get eaten. Yeah, five minutes long. Oh, yeah Five minutes long of him screaming all those things just eating him by grabbing his thighs and pulling chunks out of his thighs By the way, they finally just recently released that audio right because in the movie grizzly man the director refused to play it No, it's not real. It's Werner Herzog. He they destroyed that audio. Yeah, the fake audio that's online. That's just fake that the new one It's not even new. It's been around forever. But you listen to it. If you know it's fake, you hear it. You go. Oh, it's bullshit It sounds fake. Yeah, yeah, it sounds fake. Yeah, but the point is like yeah people are gross and cruel so are champs You know, so what they do to monkeys is fucking horrific. Yeah, you know, I don't know if they're doing it on purpose But they what they do to people it seems like they're doing it on purpose when they bite your fingers off and pull your eyeballs out It seems like they're being cruel. You know, I think it's a primate survival tactic Especially like primates that engage in war right champs engage in war you develop cruelty in order to be better at your job Yeah, but I think with them they they lack emotional crew at cruelty like humans We have we have the knowledge to know something's better good. They just know survival and we engage in bad right which makes us a different kind of cruel Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, did I just win my first argument? No, I mean you right. I agree with you About that we we have a certain type of cruelty that's not you know It's not like any other animals cruelty because we're aware of how it's gonna affect other people. There you go Yeah, they're not really aware of it. They just don't care. Yeah, you know You know when they do those things where they communicate with chimpanzees they teach them sign language You know they've never had a chimp ask a question Yeah, right interesting because they don't communicate the number like yeah, why are you wearing clothes? Yeah, there's not You know, I never thought of that. Yeah, that's weird, right? Yeah Can we get Arby's for lunch? Why don't they ever ask for anything? They don't ask. Yeah, that's well wait did did um You know what that's not true also cocoa The gorilla the gorilla He would ask for affection. He would ask for love and hugs. I think there's oh yeah, but that's a request That's not a question like why am I here? Oh, okay, what is this bill? You're talking a more of a philosophical question I'm talking about being having actual curiosity about like its environment right? I understand why your skin white in mind is not what is They're just not aware. How come you don't walk on your hands. Yeah, there's no Yeah, you know what I mean like they're what we call intelligence is very compartmentalized It's very boxed in and comparison to our intelligence. We have the intelligence to understand this thing probably doesn't like being in the cage Yeah, you don't think that. No, do you believe in the concept of a missing link like something in between Homo erectus and the anterthal and then us modern day is there what I think there's a missing creature I think the first of all the real problem is What's the evidence in terms of the fossil record? It's very incomplete right and because it's hard to get fossils right like For someone to leave a fossil behind you have to die in mud or that's right specific conditions So most animals that die I think we looked it up before it's like 99% are never going to leave a fossil right So when they find things like Denisovans so the Denisovans I think they found in the 2010s or something like that When did they find them? It was a more recently than that Maybe it was more recently than that. So they just found like a tooth and a finger and then and then they start finding bones They're like hey, this is not like a normal human tooth. This is not like a normal human bone And then they do DNA tests on them and they go oh, this is different. This is a different type of human So there's humans that lived alongside humans that we just found out about 10 years ago. Huh So how many versions of from ancient Homo did to modern Homo sapiens? How many versions were there that we have evidence of? That's what we don't know. What's the Homo in the state? Here it is Michael shunkov for the Russian Academy of Sciences and other Russian archaeology Oh, what happened? We just got scrolled player. What did that that was weird? We're getting scrolled. What did it just do? That was so weird That's so weird. It's like they didn't want us reading this out lot. What's the Homo we're missing? So Archaeologists from the Institute of Archaeology and ethnography the Siberian branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences In Novosibrisque Akademgorodok Investigated the cave and found a finger of a juvenile female hominin Originally dated from 50 to 30,000 years ago. Huh, and then the estimate was changed to 76,000 to 51,000 years ago specimen was originally named ex-woman So anyway um the whole thing is they they found out this is Go back to that again, a novel ancient
hominid genetically distinct from both contemporary modern humans and from Neanderthals. So they knew from that that is a new kind of human. And that's just 2008. So this is 18 years ago they found that. So who knows how many ones they could find? If they kept, if you had, this is a limited amount of archaeologists that are doing this kind of work. Imagine if you had thousands and thousands of them scouring Asia, scouring Africa, looking, there's probably a bunch more that we haven't discovered. Oh, definitely. So this idea of the missing link, I'm not sure if that's accurate. Okay. But then the question is, I'm glad you said that because it's sort of illuminate illuminated me a little. Yeah, I hadn't thought of it in those terms. 2008 a Taiwanese citizen purchased a fossil, homomendable, dredge from the sea floor of the Taiwan straight from an antique shop and donated to Taiwan's National Museum, the National Science, attempts to extract DNA were unsuccessful. But in 2025, protein analysis, the specimen designated, paying you one was published showing that it belonged to a male Dennis Oven, that was just in a shop. I love the missing link was in an antique shop. Well, that's how they found gigantopithecus too. They found I like that old lamp. I'll take that plate. And how about historic missing link? How much is that? The hell? I think it's just a different kind of person. Yeah. You know, and then interesting if they kept finding more of them, maybe we'd have a better understanding of like what we're talking about. But there's a giant leap. That's for sure. Yeah. It's the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record is the doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years. Well, it's a nutty nutty thing that happened also in our brains grew. Well, what's interesting to me too is that you do have some fossilized remains that are very, very, very old that date back to caveman era stuff. And then we have stuff closer to what we just looked at. But there's that that one transitional where you'd think there'd be a transitional creature that they can't seem to find. Well, they might find it. They might. I hope they do. I think some of these are getting closer. They don't have a lot of Dennis Oven bones. But there's going to be a few more that they find. I'm sure they keep looking. I bet there was probably a bunch of different kinds of humans. The question is like, why did we succeed? And why are we so much smarter than all the rest of them? We should go in and teaking this week and see what we can dig up. Well, according to that, I think that was in an antique show in China, right? It was a long time ago. I don't care if they bought China or pottery. I just let's go. I gotta wrap this up. But yeah, buddy. Oh, it's good to see you brother. Great to see you. Thanks for having me, man. Thank you for being here. Wingman. Is it available streaming? Is available everywhere? It's only streaming on Apple and Amazon Prime right now all over the world. And then in Canada, we will start streaming the end of June. And they might even do 60 to 90 theaters up there. Oh, we're excited. Yeah. So yeah, dude. Wingman. Yeah. And good look with the Tony one, too. That sounds fun. Yeah. And hopefully maybe we'll see you there. Hopefully, maybe. Yeah. Congratulations on guest of the year. That's awesome also. Oh, that was that was the year. Yeah, I was last year. Thank you, buddy. Great to see you. Love you, man. Love you too, buddy. All right. Bye, buddy.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Jimmy Trim shares a personal story of losing his son, Billy, to a truck accident, who was later killed by a respirator, leading to memorial tattoos on his body.
The conversation touches on historical political duels in the 18th and 19th centuries, including Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr, highlighting a past culture of literal combat among politicians.
The host suggests that modern political conflict could be resolved through physical confrontations, like duels, as a way to end toxic debates and create more accountability.
A discussion emerges about the existence of secret underwater military bases and nuclear submarines, including the U.S. Navy’s silent, untraceable fleet with potentially catastrophic capabilities.
The topic expands to include speculative theories about extraterrestrial life hiding in the deep ocean, citing unexplained sightings and the idea of advanced civilizations surviving in secrecy.
The conversation humorously explores the idea of alien technology and underwater bases, referencing oceanic mysteries, uncharted territories, and the pressure challenges of deep-sea environments.
A satirical and absurd anecdote about "Gera ruffa" fish and the claim that Joe Rogan is training to become a new race through ice baths and malaria pills is presented as a comedic metaphor for transformation.
The episode blends personal trauma, political satire, and speculative science with humor, emphasizing the absurdity and complexity of modern global power and human vulnerability.
Summary:
The podcast features a blend of personal storytelling, political satire, and speculative science. Jimmy Trim shares a heartbreaking account of losing his son, Billy, to a truck accident and subsequent death from a respirator, leading to the creation of memorial tattoos. The conversation then shifts to historical political duels, such as those between Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr, suggesting that physical conflict once resolved political disputes.
This idea is humorously extended to propose that modern politicians might benefit from direct, physical confrontation to end toxic debates. S. nuclear submarines that remain hidden and capable of global destruction, with one submarine estimated to carry enough warheads to wipe out half the world.
The discussion then veers into speculative territory, considering the possibility of advanced alien civilizations hiding in the deep ocean, citing unexplained phenomena and the vast, unmapped depths of the sea. A comedic subplot involves Joe Rogan claiming to be training to become a new race through ice baths and malaria pills, resulting in exaggerated physical changes. Throughout, the tone is a mix of serious reflection, dark humor, and absurdity, touching on themes of human vulnerability, political power, and the unknown.
The narrative ends with a light-hearted, satirical tone, highlighting how far-fetched yet captivating the idea of hidden global threats and alien life can be.
FAQs
The tattoo honors Billy, a service animal who was hit by a truck and later died. The incident was tragic, involving a respirator that crushed his head, and the tattoo serves as a tribute to his life and the irony of his death.
Billy, a service animal, wandered out into the street after someone left the gate open. He was struck by an 18-wheeler, and although he survived initially, a respirator that rolled out of the truck crushed his head, leading to his death.
The irony is that Billy was saved from the initial impact by the truck but died from the final blow of the respirator, which was meant to save lives but instead caused fatal injury, highlighting the unpredictable nature of medical equipment and danger.
Yes, he mentioned being attacked by a bear, but the injury healed and is now a part of his story. He contrasts this with the more recent loss of Billy, emphasizing how both events shaped his life.
Joe Rogan shares a story of chicken and goat fights in a neighborhood where roosters were fought and goats were roasted. He humorously notes that he once ate goat tacos and found them delicious.
Yes, the conversation mentions claims of five or more underwater bases in U.S. waters, where mysterious events or craft movements are reported, though these are considered unverified and speculative.
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