25 to Life for Murder — How a Crip Leader's Own Lawyer Betrayed Him

Right after I got sentenced and went to prison, my lawyer was trying to sleep with my wife. I'm from North Dallas, Park Lane, and Ferroze. That's the hood too. I grew up gang banging too, you know what I'm saying? We became five dudes who were gangsta creeps. We was involved deeply, bro. To where we thought we was on a level like we was a mini cartel or something. I had about 30 guys running with me. I was mostly like their leader. So they was down to do whatever I tell 'em to do. Man, I was selling drugs, man. I was getting in a lot of shootouts, shooting in people. Man, I was in them streets deep, bro. So now, my gangsta switch cuts on. Grab my gun, cocking, pop up. The guy reached for him, and did like this. And by the time he did that, I shot. I didn't know the dude died. I took the stand. My lawyer made me take the stand. Thinking I was gonna get self-defense and got 25 years. He was calling my wife, you pretty. Maybe we need to hang out sometime, trying to get with my wife. So the whole time, he wanted me to go down. How many people who've been convicted of murder in the state of Texas have lived to see the free world again? Not many. That's the story of Floss the Boss. A crypt shot caller from Dallas who spent almost 20 years surviving inside the toughest prisons in Texas. Floss was a wild man, growing up as a hardcore five-douce Hoover Crip from the age of 12 years old. Drive-by shootings in broad daylight, crack sling, and home invasions and kidnappings were a part of everyday life for him and his crew. After catching a murder case and then getting screwed by his lawyer who wanted to screw his wife, Floss was sentenced to 25 years hard time. His stories from behind the wall and the way he ran every prison yard he landed on are some of the craziest you'll ever hear. Today, Floss is a free man with a budding rap career. Make sure to check him out on all socials. He'll probably be doing a show near you. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Floss the Boss right here on the connect with Johnny Mitchell. (upbeat music) - Yeah, no, you look like a baseball coach. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Everybody be saying that. Like a football player or something, man, you big. Maybe saying I'm big, I don't even feel like I'm big, bro. - Are you naturally stalking or is this still-- - No workout, too. I work out every day, too, you know what I'm saying? - Still, even though you've been home six years, you still keep that-- - Yeah, I still keep their resume, bro. I know my eating habits got crazy, but when I'm saying my workout empties, I still work out every day. That's how we get. - So you're from Dallas, you know, Houston, San Antonio, even Austin, they have like identities. Dallas is like, we don't know anything about it, you know? - Dallas is, Dallas, I wanna say Dallas is more cutthroat, bro. You know what I'm saying, Dallas is more hard. Dallas is more like, everybody out to get it everybody. Nobody respects nobody. It's more killing, it's more robbing, you know what I'm saying? It's more cutthroat, you know what I'm saying? - Really? - It's more hood. And I notice when I go to Houston, it's more like, everybody together, everybody support each other. You know what I'm saying? It's like a whole different culture in Houston. They got their own little culture. Whereas in Dallas, nobody give a care about you. It's like, man, I give him tomorrow. I ain't worried about him. Everybody try to make a name for themselves. - Well, I know for a worth used to have some pretty heavy gang bag. - For a worth, yeah. So are you for a worth, are you from Dallas? - No, I'm from Dallas, but I've been, I've been for a worth a lot too. - So tell us where in Dallas, how did you come up? - North Dallas. I'm from North Dallas, Park Lane, and Faro's. That's the hood too. If you heard of that rapper Mo3, yeah, I heard of him. Okay, I'm from his hood, but on the creep side. He on the blood side, I'm on the creep side. I grew up gang bagging it too, you know what I'm saying? - Crippin? - Yeah. - Oh, shit. - I grew up five dudes hoover, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I grew up gang bagging, selling drugs, you know, the normal hood stories you hear from everybody that's been in the hood, you know what I'm saying? - And you were rapping though? - Yeah, yeah. - At the same time that you were gang bagging and telling me what to do. - Yeah, 'cause rapping was my outlet. To me, that was the way I was going to make it out the hood. And I had a talent for it, you know what I'm saying? So, but I just couldn't lead the streets along. I gravitated more to the streets than I did music, you know what I'm saying? So I was looking at rap part time and looking at the streets down there for a time, 90% of the time. And when you do that, you're going to eventually get caught up. You're basically going down. - Yeah, you don't want to rap about though? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm been through a lot, bro. My whole life, you know what I'm saying? I've talked about from just crazy stories. You wouldn't believe, you know what I'm saying? A lot of shootouts, a lot of, man, everything, bro. I'm gonna tell you, you know what, we talk about it. We get involved in it. One time I thought I was dead. I thought they was going to kill me. But if they were smart enough, they wouldn't finish the job. But I figured in their mind, they already thought I was dead. - What happened? - I was coming down here, rehearsing Dallas and a great, a great tenant, you can even see in the car. It was like, limo 10. Pulled up on the side of me at the light. And I happened to look over and all of a sudden the windows came down and they started shooting up my car. Well, as they shooting, I hit the gas and I'm trying to, I can't see over the wheel 'cause I'm trying to duck at the same time. So I'm jumping over curve running in and I'm just like, oh, they got me, you know what I'm saying? And they shooting the car up. So I churned like this and ran right into the hotel wall, boom. So in my mind, if they were smart and some real killers, they would have jumped out, finished the job. But in my mind, I'm thinking they thought I was dead already the way I hit the wall. They probably like, oh, we got 'em. So they took off. Came out of there, unscathed. - Did you know that? - No, no hit at all. My car was told fuck up, you know what I'm saying? But I think you hit it all and I knew I knew right then. And I said, yeah, some got to change. I gotta do something about this. I can't live like this man. - You don't find out who it was? - Nah, and I was in two of us so many people. Overdrug deal going wrong to just street shit. It could have been anybody. I never found out who did it. I didn't take time to see because once the bullet started hitting, that's the last thing on your mind is, what am I doing this? - What's up everybody? A lot of you have been asking how you can get on the show. Here's the deal. If you think you or someone you know would be a good fit for the show, email us. Connect podcast [email protected]. That is the only way to get on the show. I don't check my DMs very much. I oftentimes miss messages on Facebook. So you gotta shoot me an email. Let me know why you or somebody you know would be a good fit for the show. Tell us your story and then give us a way to get a hold of you. We check that all of the time and we will get back to you. Once again, it's connect podcast [email protected] and we will leave a link to that in the description of the episode. All right, let's get back into it. Did you get shot ever? - No, never. I've never been shot. All the shooting. I didn't been in probably three or four shootouts and never got hit, bro. God is on my side. And I'm not trying to jinx myself. Forgive me, Lord. (laughing) You know what I'm saying? I ain't bragging. I ain't doing none of that. Thank you. You know what I'm saying, but. - But you hit some people. - Yeah. I definitely did that. I definitely did that, bro. And then it's crazy, y'all. I definitely did that, man. Several times, you know what I'm saying? Y'all, I regret it, but I mean, you know, it took me to go to prison for me to realize, yeah, you fucked up, bro. You gotta get your shit together, you know what I'm saying? Prison saved, man. If a person tells you prison ain't saved them, it's no hope for them. Prison saved me. 'Cause if I ain't, if I didn't go to prison, I'd be dead right now. - That's how, you know what I'm saying? - That's how thugging you were. - I know I'd be dead right now. Prison saved me, you know what I'm saying? And I think God, I hear a lot of guys be like, "Oh, man, I had all that time, man, man." What'd you expect, bro? You do the crime, what? You do the time. So you can't complain about it. You know what it comes with this shit. You either gonna go to jail or you gonna die. So what's the complaint? And I just get tired of hearing people say, "Oh, they killed so and so, they was wrong." And when he didn't have to die like that. But you ain't talking about what so and so was doing before he died. What about the people he's shot and what people he did, stuff too? So he wasn't no saint. - Did you see that with people who got murdered? They were also killers? - Yeah. Yeah, they were straight up murderers, man. So I don't have no sympathy for them to be sitting here like, "Man, they shouldn't have killed him, man." 'Cause he was gonna kill him. You see what I'm saying? But everybody always see the goods. Like they wanna see the good side of that person, which is cool. It's good to reminisce upon the good stuff that that person was. But you gotta look at the bad stuff he was doing too and why he got killed, you know what I'm saying? - So in your neighborhood, like it's bloods and crypts and Dallas. I don't think it's that way in Houston. - They got bloods and crypts in here. - Really? - Huh. So was it like fulking with other cryptsets or was it your neighborhood versus the bloods? - Well, the gang that I'm in, we not love by crypts or bloods. We hooves. We just now adopted the crypt title to our name. 'Cause at first we was five dudes who were criminals. We was anybody killer. We gonna get sent to gang, anybody. So when we adapted on the crypt monitor, you know what I'm saying? That's when we became-- do's Hoover games to Chris. So we beat for bloods, we beat for every game you can think of. Like I said, man, we like, we like, we the biggest target. Still like in California too. If you check California, the ubers is the biggest target. That's because we don't get along with no games. We don't like no other games. We all buy ourselves. But things are changing, time to progress, man, and things are changing now. Things are getting better, bro. Yeah, I mean there were Hoover's in Portland, Oregon where I grew up. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely Hoover's down there. I've been there before. It's Hoover's in Denver. It's really Hoover's all over the world. We big, man. Yeah. How many strong were you? How deep were you in your day when you were in my day? Oh, man, bro, we was deep, bro. We used to go to the mall and terrorize the malls. We was, man, we was tripping, bro. We used to do some crazy stuff, man. You wouldn't believe. And in our mind, we thought what we was doing was right. We thought we was doing good. We thought we was doing, yeah, that's how, that's how confused and conflicting we was. We actually thought we was out. If we robbed somebody, we were like, yeah, man, we did it. We got the money. Yeah, yeah, we got the, you know what I'm saying? Not knowing the cause and the pain we caused to hurt that person. What we do? You rob in drug dealers? Man, we rob drug dealers. We don't, we don't, we don't hurt no women or kids. But we rob drug dealers in any way that we can hit a lick to come up. We gonna do it, bro. We gonna do it. If you pull up in a nice car and you flash and Rolex watches and big chains on it, you've got all this money like you doing it. You might want to, you know, say everything coming over this side, bro, cause man, somebody's going to get you. Are you talking about like car jacking's or dragging people? Oh, man. Yeah, we don't car jack. I mean, I'm a car jack people. Uh, man, I did it all, bro. I had no idea Dallas was like, I mean, I'm diggin' it, you know, but Dallas, Dallas, Dallas is here, bro. Dallas is about that life. And Dallas is big in a penitentiatory, you know what I'm saying? Dallas is the same way in a penitentiatory, bro. We know for the best hands, we know for getting it in with the shames, everything. It's just, it's just Dallas, bro, it's in us. So it's Dallas. We was raised, you know. Is that your car in prison? Is Dallas? Well, probably it'd be a Texas car if he was in the feds or something, but in TDC, you don't have cars like that. TDC, you rock with your game, you know what I'm saying? So when I come to TDC and I see other hoovers there, then they're going to be like, what you is? And I'm like, I'm five dudes hoover. Then that's when I'm rolling. That's when I'm grooving with, you know what I'm saying? Like that. But we don't have, in Texas prison, like state prison, they don't have like the feds do like the cars, you know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, just all about your game, you know what I'm saying? In the feds, it's geographic. Yeah, I'm the New York car, whatever. Yeah, Washington D.C. Card art, you know what I'm saying? Texas car, Louisiana. That's it only in the feds. I've never been to the feds. So how old were you when you caught your case? Man, I think I was 20. I want to say I was like 25, 26. I was still in my 20s. Okay. So that's a lot. That's pretty old though. Yeah, it is, bro. For gang bang and that, that aggressively, that's because that's what they used to say, man, by 25, you're either dead or in prison. Yeah, that's the thing. That's what they say. So I guess you made it right at the cutoff. Yeah. Yeah. I made it right at the cutoff, bro, at all. Man, yeah. What did you have going on at that time? At that time. Yeah. I was getting a lot of shootouts, shooting at people. I'm not going to lie, bro. I was in them streets deep, man. We just take your trips out of town back and forth to Oklahoma with the with the pounds and the cold. We was, man, well, we was involved deeply, bro. And I had a lot of guys with me. I had a lot of guys running with me. I had about 30 guys running with me, you know what I'm saying? And they was down. So they was down to do whatever I tell them to do. So if I tell one of my youngsters, and these were youngsters, too, that's why I was misguiding them at the same time, too, because they wanted to be like me. So anything I tell them, they would do. So if I tell them, say they got right there on me money, man, he been ducking and dodging me. I'm tired of it. Go let him know what's up. They're going to come get you. With no question, with no question asked, they're going to come get you. They're going kicking your dough and they're going to put their gun in your mouth and they're going to get you. Look here, you either come up with that money or something going to happen to you as a member of your family. It was that deep in the streets. You know what I'm saying at that time, man. You guys are the crack? Was it crack? Yeah. It was crack, cold, meth. It was all type of stuff. I didn't really dabble in the meth, but I had partners that did. And they was trying to straight me away from the coke and the crack because it was like, bro, I'm making so much. I think meth, a pound of meth back then was going for like 15,000 a pound. Something like that, bro. So that was like, man, you selling the wrong. You need to be over here with this meth, bro. I'm telling you, my boy turned me on in his ice. Many these girls going crazy for it. But I never did. I never did dabble in it. Probably because I didn't understand the numbers of meth. I didn't understand. What the price was of selling, man. So I probably didn't mess with it because of that, you know what I'm saying? The crack was so culturally inner city, urban, black. Yeah. I mean, like it, I even remember that in the early 2000s, I'm like, yeah, the meth is just like the dirty white people buy it and the Mexican sell it. So it would crack had culturally been the most little thing in the like the black community. So you would go to like a town and just open up shop? Yeah, we go to our spot was Oklahoma. We'll go down to Oklahoma City or a lot in Oklahoma. Something like that. And post up, trap out for a while. Get we trap out of a hotel or if I had a friend down there that had a little spot, you know what I'm saying? We trap out of a dope eating spot, pay him some money or give him some dope to let us trap his spot out. We burn it up and then we bounce back out of town. Yeah. Classic. That's the way it was. And we was making a lot of money, man. We was doing good, bro, but like I said, all good things come to an end. And you're 25. So it's you're the OG. I'm the OG. And you got your young bulls doing all your dirty work. Doing all my dirty work, man. I had them doing things that I shouldn't have had them doing. But they was young and they was followers. They wanted to follow whatever I do, whatever I say. How's going to go down? They with it. Nowadays I regret it. As I look back on it, you know what I'm saying? But at the time, you're not thinking like that. At the time, all you thinking is gold. Money. Let's get it. Let's go. Let's get this done. Let's prove our point to people. Let's prove we ain't to be mess with. Let's set a message out. Like when you come over here, this is what it is. You're going to die easy. And I had started a little click called HBC. It was called headbusting committee. And uh fire. Yeah, we had everything. I was like, I had a t-shirts made, jumpsuits made, everything. And I had all my young kids rocking it. They was like, yeah, we HBC, we headbusting committee. You mess with us. We gonna bust your head. And they were so proud to have this moniker. They were so proud to have this like, yeah, man, they felt like they was a part of something. And you know what I'm saying? Blue? Yeah. Yeah, I'm always like, you know what I mean, I think I got a red shirt in my closet. I'm saying, I'm strictly orange and blue. That's our color. That's Hoover colors. Yeah. So even back then, even when you were hot with the pounds of crack and all that, you were still flagging. I was still flagging. I was still a game, baby. Still all the way through prison. I'm still a game, baby. I'm still going to ride for the sit. Yeah. So I can't believe, did you catch a case before the shooting that sent you to prison? Did you had you had any other cases? I had a petty case when I was younger. Like, I think it was a burglar of a habitation, like breaking in somebody's house. Doing it like that. That was a petty stuff. But you have a big felony though. I didn't have a big felony. I called that murder case. Now I could have all the shootouts I've been in before that murder case. I never got caught for it, bro. Thank God. But I guess God got tired of it. He was like, now, this is enough. I got to sit you down. Y'all doing too much. Because I started thinking I was invincible. So, you know what I'm saying? Well, you're just lucky or were you also pretty conniving? Like, you sounds like you were smart. I was smart, man. I moved different than everybody else did. And I want an easily seen, like everybody else do. You know, people like to be seen all the time, want to be out at the club, want to be in the midst of everybody. That's a quick way to die. Because if somebody looking for you or somebody trying to get you, they're going to, they know I can go to the club this weekend. They're going to be their popping bottles or with a section with full of girls. We can get him, you know what I'm saying? Whereas I stayed concealed. I stayed at home with my family a lot. Or I was out of town a lot. Where people didn't know me. So yeah, so you were a family man, too, like you're a family by this point. Yeah, I had a family I had at the time I had a stepson and my daughter Tijiana my oldest daughter at the time, you know, I'm saying so and I was old and I had a wife at the time too, which we're not married no more, but you know, I'm saying at the time I had a Hispanic lady as a as a wife, you know, I'm saying so good wives. Yeah, good wife. She put up with all my bull shit. You know, I'm saying bull crap, she put up with all my bull shit. Yeah, he's a fuck motherfucker. It's cock sucker. Okay, Jew, whatever, whatever. So you're like compartmentalizing your gang bag and your trap and your sending your base shot calling, you know, yes, and then you're maintaining a family, um, what and you're wrapping still or you had you let wrap your wayside. Like I said, I was wrapping maybe, I want to say maybe 10% and then the streets 90% and that's something you can't do. You either going to do this or you going to do that, you know, I'm saying it's like you can't you can't choose to do wrong, but try to do good at the same time. Like yeah, I'm going to go to church this week, but I still got a silly dope and you can't you can't battle two demons, you know, I mean a demon and being good, you know, I'm saying so and at the time I was wrapping, I would take trips out of town, I would back then it was CDs. So we would go and sell CDs too. Like we'll post like I bought a uh, a logo head with my CD covers on the side and I we used to drive and pull up to like car washes and stuff, jump out, sell CDs, pass out posters and all this and at the same time I'm doing this, I'm like say, y'all looking for something y'all smoke y'all, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to sell drugs at the same time I was doing this, you know what I'm saying? To keep the money, you know what I'm saying, regenerating through the, you know what I'm saying? What I was doing. And um, you know what I'm saying? I did a couple of shows with a lot of major artists, got to meet a lot of major artists, you know what I'm saying? But I just wasn't taking it seriously as I opposed to, you know what I'm saying? I was more keen to the streets. How can I flip this and get this on? How can I can make this happen on? How can I rob this dude? He talking about he got 300,000 stats in the house. We need to try to figure out how to get in there and get that, you know what I'm saying? I was more on that, you know what I'm saying? Did you have any big scores like that? Uh, the biggest score I probably hit, I want to say probably for probably 30,000,000. And that's because I robbed the gambling, the gambling spot back, you know what I'm saying? I lost my money, was mad because I lost my money. Turned around, left, came back and robbed him and got my money in there money. So actually it was over 30,000. It was probably close to 50,000, you know what I'm saying? Tell us about the gambling spots. Yeah, the gambling spots is live, bro. That's where we go on the weekends, you know what I'm saying? It's open every day, but I was mostly going like, probably like Saturday, you know what I'm saying Saturday night when I ain't had anything to do. I'm like, man, let's go hit the spot. And we'll go hit the spot, shoot dice, they in there playing poker, they in there playing, uh, uh, uh, uh, spades, whatever, you know what I'm saying? And there's a lot of tables going on. It's like a after hour spot, you know, it's where, where it was the spot. It's South Dallas in somebody's house. Yeah, well, no, it was more, it was like a after hours club. Well, a little hole in the wall, like a little bar. I don't want to say it's too much of a club because they know body in their dancing. Everybody in there trying to get money, you know what I'm saying? And then the back is where they got everybody playing. They got everybody playing cards. They got tables set up everything, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. We used to go there on the weekends, gamble, shoot dice, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. It was just this particular night. I wasn't trying to lose. I was like, now, now I think that I got hit for like probably like $7,000, you know what I'm saying? And I was like, oh, no, I ain't to do this. I'm for the problem. And you just remember in your mind, you go, nah, yeah, we ain't doing this. You know, I got to go get my money. And then I'm getting any money and everything, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so did you say, all right guys, I'll see you next week. And then you came back later that night. No, I had to rob the Scooby. You went in there strong? You went in there like ski masked up? No, I didn't even have a ski mask on. I went in there and robbed them. I went in there straight like, look, I ain't playing this. This is what it is. Come out the money. You don't, you're going to die. Period. I'm not playing no games and they and half of the people that knew me in there knew me from the street. They knew he's not playing. So y'all better just just give it up now. We deal with it later. Better for to give it now and deal with me later than to die now. And you would have you were prepared to go there? Yes. I was prepared to go there. Well, you figure you rob a gambling spot. A underground gambling spot in South Dallas. Yeah. You better be ready to squeeze because somebody's a killer in there. They all killers. They all killers. But they knew, but if I got the jump on you, what can you do? And plus you know, I'm going to kill you. So there's nothing you can do, but hey, let him get it. We'll catch him later. That's where all the shootouts come in. I didn't ran in the soul amount of people, certain people out there and they was like, oh, I got to get him and I'm not paying attention now. They called me sleeping now. I'm getting my car shot up on a highway or you know what I'm saying? I'm like, who man? But you're like, I wonder if this was the gambling. Yeah, the gambling. Definitely. Definitely. And I do. And who knows? They probably still want to kill me today. But you know, I changed from that lifestyle. Man, I don't do that lifestyle no more. But you know, that's got to be one of the most dangerous places in the street is to run a gambling house. Like an underground gambling joint. Very dangerous. Very dangerous. Because the people you attract is going to be gangster. They all killers. They all gangsters. They all gang banging. They all big drug dealing and they have no fear. So you put in a butt. That's like being in a penitentiary and you sticking a person in a cell with nothing but a pie with nothing but lions. Right. So we all lies in here. How you think that's going to play out? Yeah, because they're the ones with the money. Somebody going to want to be the big dog. Yeah. And the same way with the gambling shake, man, you sticking somebody in this closed space in a bag of a club with nothing but lions. Eventually, something going to happen. So it's crazy, man. It is what it is. You guys are rolling four or five six. No, just seven or eleven. Yeah, seven eleven. That's what I play. How big did those, how big did those, some of those pots get? Oh, man. No limit to amount of money in there. Just depends on who coming there and who ready to lose what they want to lose. Because honestly, it's hard to be like a hundred fifty thousand. Honestly, guys coming at a suitcase with a suitcase with a team with them. You know, they got about five or six killers with them. Case anything happened. They got three hundred thousand in a suitcase. And coming there with big money. Do you have to put your guns up? Is that? I'll be having my gun on me. Okay. So they don't make you check your guns at the door and if you're like, no, no, no, I ain't never, I'll be out of now that you say that. I ain't never been checked. I never been checked for my gun. I always go in there with my gun. I guess people figure we all know each other so they figure everything is going to be cool. But like I said, again, you're in a cage full of lions. I mean, they figured wrong. You figured wrong. You know what I mean? You got all type of different attitudes. And then in the game, let's check everybody yelling. They arguing. They getting mad about losing. Some people can't take it like me. And you want your money back. Yeah. Today's episode is sponsored by Rich. Now many of you have heard me talk about the Ridge Wallet. I own one. It is the best and the last wallet I'll ever own. But Rich is much more than just a wallet company. Now they're a full on tech company. 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We didn't even have a Christmas Christmas come around we got no gifts no toys no nothing I remember times when we was eating sugar bread for a week Serbs saying which is for a week on toes because we didn't have no money My mama tried her best to do what she could you know what I'm saying to to survive and for us You know, I'm saying to the point that it was time she just set up in the room and cry because we didn't have nothing You know what I'm saying and I Think that fed my hunger for I don't want to live like this I'm I'm going to the streets. I got to make something happen from not for just for me but for my family Where was dad? You know, I'm saying mine. I never had a dad my uncle Actually, when I got out of when I got in high school my uncle became my father hmm, you know I'm saying my uncle resting peace ropa Lee Hall that the he's became my father He he started he moved me in with him started grooming me to be a man Because you got to remember at the time man. I'm in the streets. I started gaming at 12 years old You know, I'm saying I start selling drugs at between 12 and 13 years old You know, I'm saying I was in the streets for me and on to now till we're not now, but you know Say when I when I called my case. What did you have family in the streets? Yes, okay? Yes I'm the majority of my family was in the streets You know, I'm saying there was either gang banging drug dealing or doing something You know, I'm saying crown wise to get money because like I said we had nothing and Working at McDonald's. You remember how minimum wage was back then I think if I can remember minimum ways with what five dollars four dollars now or something back then back in those days in the 90s and stuff How you gonna pay bills that way? How you gonna take care of kids that way, you know, I'm saying how you gonna a Job one going to help it, you know, I'm saying so and then the neighborhood that we was living in we was really we from the projects We from the ghetto, you know, I'm saying we from where everybody had nothing You know, I'm saying and most of the people that was in our neighborhood that was what they was doing either robin Killin stealing trying to make a living for that sale. Did your family give you the game? Do they show you how to get money in the street or I kind of I kind of Adapted it from my uncle's far as Watching them and learning as being around when I shouldn't have been around You know saying I was exposed to more than the kids should be exposed to I want to say you know I'm saying I didn't have no business being around adults being a kid and I think that led to a lot of things going on in my life You know, I'm saying sure I grew up fast. Yeah, you know, I'm saying. Yeah, I grew up very fast very fast You know, I'm saying and I called on quick. Yeah, you know, I'm saying and I and I adopted that lifestyle for myself and ran with it and never look back Do you think you were more successful than your your uncles and when it came to the street life? Well, I'm I would say I was the more aggressive than they was. Mm-hmm. There was more I want to say there was more lenient and passive Towards like if somebody owed their money or something. Well, which is way too. He paid me. I was the more on Name if you don't have my money in the next day or so. I'm coming to get you or hurt whoever you with you know I'm saying you gonna have that money or it's gonna be a problem. I was more the aggressor out of them You know, I'm saying taking no shorts taking no shorts, bro Because I want to try to hear it and I always like I tell all my youngins that was under me always led by example You want to teach them how to do something you want to show somebody something you always leave by example? You know, I'm saying a lot of a lot of Leaders was scary. I want to say you know, I'm saying they let all the youngins do they work But in all actuality they were scary They just didn't want to do it because they didn't have the heart to do it and I seen that you know I'm saying I start seeing that at people so they became prey to me. I was like, oh, he ain't getting since he say years You know, I'm saying I'm gonna get him and I'll target him You know, I'm saying that's who I went after because I knew you didn't have the heart to be a killer You ain't got the heart to be like me. So I'm a I'm a feed off that so if you walking around here, talk about yeah I just eat a liquor. I got 300,000 men. I've been grinding. Oh, yeah Now you my target lunch and you see them saying now you my lunch. I'm coming to get you You know, I'm saying I need that ASAP, you know, I'm saying yeah, and that's who I targeted. You know, I'm saying yeah Wow, I would have been that kind of leader. Yeah, yeah, I got to lead by himself. No, no, no, the other kind Oh, the other people to do it. I love the heart. I'm like I don't like violence. Yeah, and see And with the streets that's something you got to you got to become you got to be become a different type of animal You can't be passive. You can't you can't just let things go because if one person get away with it Everybody's gonna start getting away with it. So now you selling drugs and you trying to get your money Now you got a bunch of people walking around like and I pay him when I get ready, man I ain't worried about him. He ain't if it do nothing, right? So what's the point of being in the drug game? If you're gonna let people go in and the old you and don't pay you nothing You know what I'm saying? So you got to become a certain type of animal to be like no No, I'm gonna have to handle this now You know what I'm saying just to send a message. I'm not to be played with and you know like day one 12 years old Off the porch like people try to get into it at a later age. It's like it's not gonna work man No, I was watching Carlitos way the other day remember because my favorite movies remember what he says to Sean Penn after You know, he they he takes him on the boat. They're gonna rescue the the mafia What did he say he goes You ain't alone no more you were gangster now. You can't get a late. You can't learn it in school. Yeah, you can't get a late start You're gangster now. Yeah, especially you just killed a top mob guy. Yeah, you know, I'm saying that's why he kept telling Sean P you just killed us Mm-hmm because he knew the degree of the streets of where you didn't took it now To where this situation ain't going in now You have to go a hundred percent all the way with it now. I used to think about that because like back when I was in the streets When we were selling weed like you know mostly like white boys and in like middle class neighborhoods We would get Rob sometimes and then we would go rob somebody, but I would tell my dude. I'm like my my co-dee. I'm like This all It's fake unless somebody gets killed Because it it escalates. What are you gonna? We're gonna rob him back and then he's gonna rob us for more like It either ends with either somebody has to tap out or somebody has to die And that's when I was like okay We're never gonna be involved in this again because to us it wasn't worth it Did you know was there anybody in your neighborhood that was More even more on 10 than you were somebody where you're like I'm not gonna fuck with that guy Yeah, I had a man and just I had a homeboys that way It was homeboys that was in my clique that I actually watched close Because I was like man. I kind of don't trust them. You know, I'm saying he's just to get he just to kill he do gangster You know, I'm saying what if he turned on me one day and decided to get me You know I'm saying so I always kept him at bay. You know, I'm saying we was locked in close But I kept him at bay. You know, I'm saying because I knew They was the type of homeboys if you get into it with them It's gonna somebody's gonna die. It's either gonna be me or him. Hmm. They was that stone cold of a killer that they didn't have no heart They didn't have no nothing. They didn't care. It was like man killer be killed You know, I'm saying they even kind of gave me a little nervousness of being around them You know, I'm saying because I knew they they straight up cold killers. Right. You know, I'm saying Yeah, so tell us about Now you're 2526 Tell us about what happened A situation happened with a friend of mine who I look at as really like family like a brother You know, I'm saying he was my best friend, but I look more to him. We more looked at each other like a solid brother his cousin That was living with him at the time He had some bad drug deal happening with some guys and um A fight ensued in front of his apartments with him. They beat him up real bad They went they left to go get guns. They's like they coming back. I guess to get their money his mom is in the house My friend mom in the house, you know, I'm saying it was like they're gonna come shoot up the house kill them They want the money whatever, you know, I'm saying I'm at the basketball court playing basketball at the time with a whole bunch of my people that's with me He pulls up. He's peed up. He's bleeding. He's I'm talking about. He told him up I'm like, man, what happened to you? He like, man, they for the kill my mom man. They talking about they for the do something to me I'm like, who he like, man, I just need you to ride to my mama house with me man. He was scared You know, I'm saying so I'm like, well damn come on, you know, I'm saying I tell my young because I like come on man Let's take a ride. You know, I'm saying in the midst of going to his mama house to make sure sure they all right, ran into the guys. Now, take it mine, I'm not knowing these the guys 'cause I don't know 'em, you know what I'm saying? I've never seen 'em before in my life, so I don't know 'em. So, out comes a car, as I'm coming down this way, car goes like this, like them that hits me. So I'm like, oh, I'm like, man, what the? So we turn, turn the look down 'em. They're like, what's up, what's up? I'm like, who, you know what I'm saying, who is these fools? You know what I'm saying, tripping like this. So I'm asking people to call, y'all know these fools? They like, now I don't know these fools. So now, my gangster switch cuts on. Now it's like, what's up, what you trying to do? They like pull over, you ain't saying number, they don't know who they getting into it with. It's what I'm thinking in my mind like, oh, y'all don't fuck, I'm fit to do something to y'all. So I'll whip over, grab my gun, cock it, pop up. I jump out the car. 'Cause I don't want to be trapped in the car. I had a P89 Ruger at the time, nine millimeter. I jumps out the car. I'm like, what's up? They like, what's up, man? Your homeboy, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. I'm like, man, what's up? Man, what the hell that y'all talking about, man? Y'all talking all these gangsters, you, now they ain't got me on my zone. So we back in fourth argument. Well, the guy in the back seat, he's trying to get out with his weapon, you know what I'm saying? So when I called it from my peripheral, I slammed the car door on him, bam on his leg. So he tries to get back in the car, I'm slamming it, and I swing to try to hit him to make, to keep him at bay. At the same time he doing this, the guy reads for him, and did it like this, and by the time he did that, I shot. Everybody in shot, they run to the car, everybody burn off. They burn off this way, we burn off this way. Boom, boom, I take off, I go to the house, I tell my wife, I'm like, man, I just shot somebody, man, woo, woo, woo. She like, man, what's going on? What are you doing? I'm like, man, I don't know, I gotta get out of here. So boom, I take off. I'm thinking, you know what I'm saying? 'Cause they took off that too. So I'm thinking, he just shot or, or if he got shot, I don't know, you know what I'm saying? So you didn't even see where you hit him? I didn't even see, I didn't even see. It, everything happens at the blink of an eye, it happens so quick. And once the shot took place, he was like, everybody was like, let's get, you know what I'm saying? So I actually didn't know the guy died maybe till like, I want to say like two weeks later. So I'm at my dad's house, where my uncle, which I call my dad, I'm at his house. And I get a call from a friend of mine and they like, man, you need to go. I'm like, what is he talking about? So I call my wife and I'm like, man, come get me, man. Come get me. She's like, all right, I'm for the come get you. She come get me. We drive and I get another call. My home, but like, hey, man, you need to get out of town, bro. I'm like, why, he said, man, oh boy, die. I said, what? He like, man, just go, man, oh boy, die. I'm like, damn. So I tell my wife, I said, man, damn, the dude died. So she's crying. She's hysterical about it. And I'm just like, oh man. So I'm like, damn, I got to get out of town. So I shoot out of town. I go to Oklahoma where I'll be trapping it. While I'm down there, another friend of mine, you know what I'm saying? Name E, well, he wasn't a friend of mine at the time. He calls me trying to set me up. He got the investigators in everybody at his house. So he calls me like, hey, man, what's up, baby? I'm like, what's up, homie? He like, damn, that's crazy. How you killed that fool, man? And you shot that fool. I said, what? I said, what the hell? I said, man, I hung up the phone on him. Come to find out and trial. They had the phone bug. They was trying to get me, you know what I'm saying? And is he your friend who got beat up? No, no, no, no. The friend got beat up named with C. Okay. So he was just a homeboy in the hood, you know what I'm saying? So I'm down in Oklahoma now. I'm like, damn, I need to get my money stacked up real quick. I'm fit to go to jail. So now I'm trapping again. I'm trying to get as much as money I can, you know what I'm saying? I call a lawyer. That's what happened. I call a lawyer. I was like, man, I need help. This happened. I told him the situation. He was like, well, let me call the police station and see, it was true or not. Like, it's somebody really died or not. So he called. He'd find out. The investigators told him, hey, you better tell him to turn himself in. Are we going to put a man hunt out for his arrest? He better come turn himself in. So my lawyer made a deal with him, look, if I get him in here by Monday, y'all got a promise. If y'all catch him, y'all won't kill him. You know police, dealing with a murder suspect, they automatically know I got a gun on me. So it might not turn out as well. So, I agreed to come in and turn myself in. So, you know, I tell my wife, look, man, I only want to put y'all through this. I messed up. I'm going to have to go on turn myself in, man. So I ended up going down there. They was waiting on me too. As soon as I walked into the police station, they was like, you know what I'm saying? And like something in a movie, I was like, oh, this is bad. I just remember, I kept telling myself, this is bad. So it's interesting that you turned yourself in, you know, you're this hardcore gangster. And it was like, well, I can't run. Eventually, they're going to get me. You know what, you know what made me do it more? My wife and kids. I was like, I don't want to get caught with them, with me. I'm going to say, say it did turn out bad, say I get surrounded and they don't move. And we stuck somewhere. I don't want them to be trying to shoot at me or do something to me with my wife and kids right there too. And actually, they hit one of my kids or something. So I was like, man, I don't want to put them through this, man. I'm going to put them through enough stress with just my lifestyle alone, living the way I'm living. Right. Remember, they had risk too, because whatever I do, that puts them in a bad position too. What if somebody want to come kick in my door and rob me? Who's at my house with me? My wife and kids. Who's to say they want to rape my wife or hell hurt gun point when I ain't there trying to get some money out of me? So I put them at serious risk too. So it was just time for an end of it, bro. It was time for an end. In your mind, and did you talk with your lawyer? Did you figure? There is mitigating circumstances, you know what I mean? Did you figure like you might be able to get a deal, you know, not life anyways? Well, not life, just I figured, at the time for the way the boys rolled up on me and for the situation in the hand, I was leasing my mom figure and I can leased get some type of self-defense or some type of manslaughter, because you take it in mind. I don't know these guys. They came after me. Cause of my friend. I don't have none to do with him. But like they said in trial, they figured, since I was with him, I was going to help him. Get him too. So it was premeditated. Yeah, it was premeditated what they did. Same thing my lawyer said. It was like, well, how are you going to charge him and they came out to him. They literally in trial said we literally came out to him because we thought he was going to take take up for his homeboy, you know, so they, so the victims or the people that were in the car with the dead guy, they actually took the stand. It was his brothers. And they took the stand and his big brother literally said we came out to him because we thought he was going to help his homeboy and we and he didn't have none to do with this. So I just knew right then. And my mind, I'm like, well, damn, I'm going to get self-defense. They letting y'all know. Basically, they was out. They coming out to me. But they didn't happen that way, bro. You didn't have to worry. You blew trial. Man, end up getting 25 years first degree murder, even the investigator told my, told my family when my family was leaving the trial, he was like, oh, he got railroaded. He got messed over. Yeah. They even seen it. They said in trial, they seen it. They was like, oh, no, he got railroaded. Yeah. You were at fault, but you have to consider the circumstances though. He's gang banging, it's a gang banging crime-ridden neighborhood. You know? Yeah. Everybody's got guns. Everybody's involved. There's some type of something. Did they prove the guy had a gun in the car? I think they found the, they found the weapon at the hospital while he was, they, I remember in trial, the police were saying something about they asked the guys, could they search the, they asked the brothers of the guy, can they search their car? And they was acting nervous like, no, y'all okay, search our car and act nervous about something like, why y'all acting so nervous? If nothing wrong, you know what I'm saying? That's what I remember with the police saying in trial. And I think they, when they did search the car, that's when they found the weapon and they car. Was it a jury trial? Yes. Was it a fair jury? Like, did you have some, I didn't have no, no jury of my peers. No. No. No white jury and didn't count in Texas and, and, and, and basically the lawyer I had, there was a white lawyer as a court appointed, he basically telling me I was going to get railroad. He was like, you know what you had, right? I was like, jail, you know what I'm saying? He was like, no. in Dayton County, they got a 99% conviction rate. And you're black, with a murder case. He said, now in some out of 10, you're going to prison. Right. But they didn't. I was like, well, can I get some type of like self-defense, man, or something? Not no life or nothing like no big. He was like, that's what we working on. Just give us time. I ended up having a fire. He wouldn't come and see me. He wouldn't come in to see me when I needed him too. He was playing it off like he really wasn't trying to help me. Like he was like in his mind. It was already, he's going to get some time to just let it play out. I'm like, oh, no, I got to get in that lawyer fast. Okay. Let him give me like this. But they never serious. They never offered you a plea deal, though. Yeah. They offered me. They first plea deal was they was talking about life. They went to 40 years. You did have a plea deal? Mm-hmm. Yeah. They take it mine. They didn't even, they didn't even have a, they didn't even have a, um, they didn't even have a suspect really. And I'm gonna tell you why. It took him over the time to indict me for the murder case. When I filed for it, like the motion for, you know what I'm saying? Cause you know, at a certain point of time, I can't even remember how many days it is. They got a certain amount of time to indict you. They got to let you go. They went over the time on me. And when I mentioned it to them all of a sudden that night, I got indictment papers in jail. It was like, oh, we did it just, you know what I'm saying? But when I found out in my trial, they didn't even have a shooter. If I didn't take that stand, they wouldn't even have a shooter, bro. Oh, so you took the stand? I took the stand. That's usually not my whole purpose was not to take the stand. Yeah, it's usually not a good thing when I remember I told you my lawyer wanted my wife. Yeah, tell us about this. Okay, tell us about this. The whole purpose in that trial was for me not to take that stand. All the witnesses in that trial, all the recanted they stayed me and said, well, we know he have a gun, but we didn't see him shoot. So they like, well, who's the shooter? Who's the guy? They're like, well, I didn't see him shoot the guy, but he always known for having a gun. They like, but you're not answering the question. Did you see him shoot the guy? They're like, nah, I can't say I saw him shoot him. They didn't even have a shooter, bro. I could have got off scott free. They didn't even have a shooter. I took the stand. My lawyer said, hey, man, take the stand. I said, why? They don't even have a shooter. Who shot? Man, I think it'd be a good thing if you take the stand, bro, and tell your son of the story. Then you went up there and said, yeah, I was the shooter. I went up there, told him the incident. Thinking I was going to get self-defense and got 25 years. That is ineffective counsel. That's ineffective assistant counsel. I end up failing an appeal, one my appeal from ineffective counsel, because right after I got sentenced and with the prison, my lawyer was trying to sleep with my wife. Maybe we need to hang out sometime trying to get with my wife. So the whole time, we supposed to be doing my trial trying to get me off. He and my wife really trying to, I hope he gets sentenced, so I can try to get to his wife. He wanted you to go down. He wanted me to go down. So I found ineffective assistant counsel and I won my appeal. Now, I didn't have no help. I didn't have a lawyer. I didn't have nobody explaining me about law. I don't know nothing about law, bro. I'm clueless to law. I get served in a basement order. Now I know a basement means to lessen, reduce or do or wait with. So when they take me back on a bench warrant back to the county, the judge asked me, well, what do you want to do? I was like, I don't know. Give me a new trial. I don't know what to do. They're like, okay, yeah, we can do that. I'm like, yeah, I don't know what to do. I end up losing. So you went back to trial? No. Something happened when my court appointed lawyer, man, where they want trying to come off the sentence. They want trying to they was trying to do something. He was like, man, you better just think what you do. Are they going to you might get more time than what you, you know what I'm saying? What you got? It was something. Bro I can't remember the specifics of it, bro, but I end up having to do that 25 year sentence. Now the only people dirtier than prosecutors are fucking defense lawyers. Man, they dirty his hair, bro. And, um, man, people, you know, I always talk about how stupid people in Texas are, but I mean, it's, it's really a fact. Like you look at just look at these lawyers. Look at the judges. I mean, everybody's incompetent and corrupt and evil corrupt, bro. Yeah. They all, they all kick you with each other. They all go golfing with each other. Yeah. I mean, my lawyer was like, man, everything good. Bro, I'll be going golfing with him. You know, I'm like, yeah, he's putting telling the judge about is going to bang your wife. You know, I'm just like, dude, come on, man. So whatever happened, I can't remember because it's been so long, bro, but I end up having to do my time. You know, the point is you should have, when the judge brought you in for an abatement hearing, you should have been like, yes, I wanted. I want to either reduce, do away with our time reduction. I could even got a time reduction. How far into your stretch? Did you get that hearing? Years in, were you? I want to say two or three years. Oh my God. I want to say like two or three years. You might have been able to walk. I'm trying to tell you, but I don't know the law. I'm from the hood, bro. I don't know. I don't know nothing about abatement, abatement orders are nothing about the law. I don't got nobody helping me. Nobody to be like, now, bro, look what they gave you. I don't, I didn't have nobody. I'm just going off, man, I'll change, I guess. Look, you know what I'm saying? So, wow. So, I ain't a blow on that, bro. There you go. I'm not having to do my time. You got a 25 year shot in Texas prisons back then, when it was grimy. Today's episode is sponsored by Colchee. You've heard of Colchee by now. They're America's number one predictions market. We make predictions every single day about politics, pop culture, the economy, the biggest stories in the headlines. Well, with Colchee, it lets you trade those predictions in a live market. For instance, I'm about to make a bundle off of this midterm election that's coming up, right? I got in a few weeks ago and I won't give away the personal details, but I am going to come out ahead after those election results. But here's another one about pop culture for all you swifties out there. 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Stayed over there, I think like two weeks because they, I remember they called me the class and they was like, you got to murder case, you ain't going to be here long. So I'm like, damn, they were like, yeah, you going to a farm. So what does that mean when you say, when they say you're going to a farm? You going to a real penitentiary. No more transfer, state jail type of facilities, you going to a where it's at. Code for your veto Ferguson. These type of units, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Polonski, you know what I'm saying? You going to a unit. So two weeks, I go to bird, another transfer from bird, I go to gory, from gory, I was on gory like a week and went straight to Ferguson, my first unit. They were like, you going to F.E. I was like, what's that? They were like, boy, they sent you to a bad mud, bro. And I was like, what's F.E. They were like, boy, you going to Ferguson and me and Wade Texas. They were like, boy, get ready over there, boy. It's it's for real. So I'm like Ferguson. I'm like, okay. So you know still me. I'm playing the tough guy role. Man, I ain't wear by all that stuff. They're like, okay, man, it's real over there, bro. I'm telling you, bro, you know what I'm saying? So get on the bus. I'm headed to Ferguson unit. It's an old school guy on there. His name was F.E. Ford. He was from Houston. He was like, well, y'all going, y'all going to Ferguson, huh? We're like, yeah, man, we going to Ferguson, man, we'll do it. He was like, say, man, when you get here, get a shank. I say get a shank. He's like, say, man, listen to me. Get a shank, bro. It's real over here. I was like, well, he's like, yeah, I just left on medical, but I'm headed back there, bro. Get a shank. I was like, okay, so it's one of them type of units. I said, man, I got to get ready. So now, I'm preparing my mind. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to have to fight. I'm going to knock somebody out. I'm gonna do this. I got to let them know. I ain't Like in the streets I ain't to be playing with you know what I'm saying with the wolf so We get to the back gate. We waiting, you know, I'm saying to get to back We go through the little shower area, you know, I'm saying get unnecessary. He's getting a mad. We hit the hallway Soon with the hallway people walking down the hallway. They're like, what's up? What you with you is homie? You're a bluff. You your crib. What's up? I'm like, what I said, what's up homie? He like, what you with it? I said, if I do's over You know what I'm saying? So now I'm I'm back in the street mode again. So that yeah, we gonna holler at you. I said yeah, holler at me then, you know what I'm saying? So We go we go into the little classification part It's I think the GI name was McQueen. It was a woman. Her name was McQueen. She take you behind his check chalkboard She check your tats see what gang you in with the wolf so She checking me out and she like, oh, what gang you in? I'm like, I ain't in no game. She said listen to me don't lie to me She said I'm gonna tell you right now tell me what gang you in because if you don't I'm gonna stick you somewhere. You don't want to be I'm like, don't want to be I said damn. It's real like that over here. She said you better tell me what gang you in I said man, I'm fine. Do you know what I'm saying? She like, all right. So boom. I ain't no going to G block. That's my first block. I went to Fighting in the day room. I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, I got to get ready. So Do come to my say like, what's up blood? I said, nah, nigga. It's cripple mine. They have five dudes on mine. He like, oh, okay, okay You got some homeboys down here. I'm gonna let them know you up here, you know what I'm saying? So I put my stuff up. They already told me when you put your stuff up immediately go to the day room Don't stay in your cell because that's the side of being weak. That's the side of being scary. So I put my stuff up I'm headed down to the little small day room. I get to the day room nigga. Like what's up, homie? You crib? I'm like, yeah, he like what you is. I'm like, I'm fine dudes homie. He like I'm fine dudes too. Homie We'll do it off from Kelly with the rules. I'm like, what's up homie? Like man, you got to get that man. We got to we got to check You in bro. I'm like, check me in. He like, yeah, and then you got you got to fade the homies I'm like, yeah, he like, yeah, you got to fade the homie. I'm like, what's she? Come on. Let's go get this all with he said we gonna get it over with Just you know, man. So they were like, uh, bring your paperwork out too. We want to see your paperwork You know what I'm saying? I said, see my paperwork. I like, yeah, nigga. We want to see your paperwork So I'm like bad bad. So when they do the end now, I go up there I get my paperwork. I bring it. They check it. They like all you in there for murder homie Well, you know, they really want to see if you're in there for child molestation or some fucked up case You know, I'm saying, you know, that's a no go. That's a no fly. We getting it in a minute. Okay. You want to get into it? Come on Well, yeah, because in my personal experience and from what I've heard With all due respect, I've heard that the black guys the black cars Allow that more than the other races. Yeah, allow child molestation Well, in a lot of places, but I don't know about Texas. So no, no, that's not true Child molestation for whether it's the whites the blacks the Mexicans if you get caught In there and they find out you a child molester you either gonna die You gonna get beat damn near the death where you wish you die and you immediately got to get off the unit You got to go get locked up. You cannot stay on the wing. You cannot stay on the unit. You got to catch off the unit. Okay, so that's Texas law, Texas law. There's no playing river white guys ain't having it Miss kids ain't having it and blacks ain't having it. You it's not for the coming here and mess with no little kid You don't die, you know, I'm saying there's not playing that game with you, you know what I'm saying? So they take your paperwork Go up there fade the homie, you know, I'm saying you got to get my 52 seconds in, you know, I'm five dudes So whatever your city is that's how many that's how many seconds you got to fight, you know, I'm saying I give my checks out the way How many do you have to feed back then it was three you had to fade three people back to back back to back back to back Ain't no play you got to fade them. That's it's mandatory. How are you with your hands? Oh, I'm good with my hands I was always raised fighting good, you know, I'm saying I ain't gonna lie. I'm all I'm good with my hands You know, I'm sitting there ain't trying to be you know, I'm saying because I know I can be whooped It's plenty of people can with me. It's plenty guys. I was locked up with what me, but you're gonna have hell on their hands You know what I'm saying? I believe you. Yeah, so After I get all through that all due to that, you know, I'm saying I mean everything Everything was good. You know, I'm saying we have riots. We had different stuff take place. You know, I'm saying but once you get in prison You in you know, I'm saying that so you to get involved with all the other extra career You know, I'm saying activities going on for us selling drugs getting drugs here messing with the guards or whatever Whatever your thing is, you know, I'm saying it's on you, you know, I'm saying once you win there But you know, I'm saying like me. I had a lot of time So I got to make my time the best way I can and that's howling at the women guards trying to get them to bring something in or you know I'm saying just Adapting to my surrounding, you know, I'm saying basically And there are a lot of other five nine hovers in there five dudes who do servers. Yeah, it's a whole bunch Or hovers really to me man, we are way to we probably are way to all the games to be honest even the bloods It's a lot of five dudes hovers. It's a lot of bloods too, but it's a lot of five dudes hovers It's a lot of hovers in Texas pen and teacher why because it's it's a lot of sex, you know, I'm saying you'd be for one or seven hovers Five nine oh no, you know, I'm saying seven foes. It's many sets of branches of us, you know, I'm saying so we're big Do you think the Mexicans are the most populous gang? Yes, Tongue Blast. Tongue Blast. Yeah, and why I say that because Tongue Blast is straight up murderers You know, I'm saying they don't play bro. They'll kill you, you know, I'm saying they they they they love war They ain't scary and they gonna take care of their business and they gonna carry it out the way they want to carry it out Yeah, and they seem never to give a fuck wow, so what did you have in your mind? What was your hustle man? The holland at the women guards trying to get them to bring something in you are good ladies. I could tell yeah I'm good. I'm very good, but you know what I'm saying? So I used to try to catch them when they come on the wing and what's up, baby Yeah, how you doing and then man you look pretty today or I say any little thing if they bite on it I know I got them now if they say don't talk to me like that. I'm gonna write you up. I know. Yeah, I need to leave her alone You know what I'm saying real tough, but you get you get some cool guards in there sometimes like I don't met a lot of cool guards that was in there that just want to see you go home They didn't want us the conditions. We was living in there. It was like boy be glad we y'all go home to y'all family This ain't it. Y'all need to be fathers. Y'all got kids. Y'all need to be good husband There was a lot of cool guards in there, bro They want to see you win then you had a bunch of assholes that try to take you down so you don't go back to the world You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of them, you know, I'm saying they do whatever they can to give you a case for anything Little just to get you messed off, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, right. Were you your sentence? How did that compare to other people's sentences? Were you about the the normal or were you considered like a lifer? Well on Ferguson you on Ferguson unity it is on Ferguson unit It's a bunch of people with a lot of time. So it was like normal Yeah, but when I hit the boy unit after I came back from my uh my appeal Because they sent me to another unit when I came when I went back on chain from my appeal I ended up being on the boy unit in a T Texas and over there Everyone too many people just had big time, you know, I'm saying that it's people that had time but not not majority You know say it was short-timers there people going home the five year three years same years, you know, I'm saying yeah Yeah, did you get anything in did you ever start a relationship of guard with a guard that proved to be profitable? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I ain't gonna say her name. No, I don't want to know Yeah, but I had several of them where they was, you know, I'm saying doing me favors and stuff You know, I'm saying helping me out, you know, I'm saying whether it was drugs or whether it was just getting free-world food Yeah, you know, I'm saying something something to be closer to the free world Cheeseburger means a lot in there, you know, I'm saying like a free-world cheeseburger our free-world muscle shirt just something that brings you back to the outside world and being locked up in prison, you know, I'm saying Yeah, what was what drugs did you get in there? K-2 at the time K-2 was big You know, I'm ready. Yeah Man K-2 was big. I used to get cigarettes in dip K-2, you know, I'm saying cigarettes is good I come out in there because each cigarette go you can roll up a little Bitty cigarette like this and then it'll go for 150, you know, I'm saying a dollar 50 You know, I'm saying and if you got a big bundle of some bugalers, it's like this. So you can imagine game over what you make it You know I'm saying K-2 K-2 stick five dollars a stick, you know, I'm saying so if you got a bundle like this and they're going five dollars a stick This being you know, I'm saying or selling them two-paste caps like three two-paste caps or something You know, I'm saying that's how we's making our money, you know, I'm saying And you had a lot of guys on the street like you were you were the OG on the street. Did you become that? In the joint eventually I did At the beginning I had to follow play. I had to follow rules. It was somebody else speaking for the creeps at the time The name was D-Lope, you know, I'm saying so I had to follow suit under him You know, I'm saying and when it was passed down to me then it was my time then I became The I'm I want to say the shot calling for the creeps. I don't want to say the leader because I wasn't Leading nobody. I was just I was the speaker, right, you know, I'm saying whenever something go on with the whites or ever Something going with the men's kids or whatever race they come to me and we sit down to talk about it and see what needs to be done You know, I'm saying it's like you're You're administrating all of the the punishments or the the truce is Yeah, yeah Definitely I'm I'm involved in whatever situation go on as my call So if we decide to be like, well, okay, let's let's let the two parties that got into it So we don't have a ride or something go on. Let's just let them look at it and get it out the way look at it in prison means you know fight Let them look at it get it out the way, man And we just watch the whole issue But if it was a serious enough issue where it was a lot of money loss or something where it need to be something go on then We took it there. I was gonna ask you that was there a time when you had to take it there where you couldn't talk it out Yeah, I've been in three riots. I mean in three bad riots, you know, I'm saying whole-ass riots full full of riots with a whole Wing just fighting busted each other in the head with fan motors people pulling out shanks everything You know, I'm saying where was that? That was on the boy unit. What was that over? man, it kept all the the rise with the Mexicans was over Tango blast was going to war with Latin Kings a Black guy involved himself in it which he shouldn't have did he shouldn't have but it is knows anybody calls us to have to go to war with them too You know, I'm saying on medium cut. We was on medium custody at the time, you know I'm saying medium cuts is a level that step that's a step up to where if you get caught trying to holler at a guard or you get caught Fighting or doing something wrong. They seen you to medium custody. You know, I'm saying which is a B and C wing You know, I'm saying on on boy unit, you know, I'm saying it's like punishment Right, you know, I'm saying where you can find in the sale all day come out go to wreck one hour go back to the sale You don't get no privileges like everybody else around the unit, you know, I'm saying right and I've been on medium custody four times You know, so you just said pocket. Let's go. Yeah, yeah far as the riot situation We in the violating the black guy for doing it for getting involved in some business that one is and end up making them catch off the unit You know, I'm saying beat him up made him catch off the unit for getting us involved in this situation But as the fight was going on we all had to fight everybody was involved, you know I'm saying and it happened the way it happened It's wild that you would have to you got to beat up your own guy You're like you could we might even like them. I don't know if you like them I like them a lot, but at the same time prison politics, you got to stand on business, you know, I'm saying it is real You know, I'm saying that he needed to be violated for button his nose in the wrong business that he shouldn't have been in You know, I'm saying look what the outcome was you got us involved in something that had nothing to do with us They go on the ward. That shouldn't have had nothing to do with us You know, I'm saying, but he wanted to be friendly with you can't be in prison You can't be friendly or you gonna be played for weak, and he wanted to be friendly. He wanted man come on y'all man We shouldn't be doing this. Well, why are you speaking? You know, I'm saying That has nothing to do with you. You can't you can't do that in prison This is not like the world and the world you can see somebody fighting in Walmart be like come on y'all man Y'all it ain't worth it and prison you can't do that because everything is segregated You know, I'm saying and if we didn't say nothing to him about it either the one of the Mexican groups was gonna say something to us about it like say man Y'all had a line for half y'all boy Over here, you know, I'm saying button his nose in our business. We at war. What is he got to do with this? He black, you know, I'm saying so it could have been came a bigger issue could have been an ongoing thing from a war You know, I'm saying so he really should have just shut up and just Let him go to war do what they need to do and you know, I'm saying mind your business mind your business You know, I'm saying the prison you got to mind your business, bro It is wild like when you're down and you see two dudes like beat each other to death and you just kind of got to keep walking Like I didn't see anything nothing happened if you in the child hall You see somebody get up and stab somebody's none of your business get them walk up Get out of there. It's none of your business. You know, I'm saying that's how you got to be in there man Remember I told you man. It's like putting you in a in a pile with a full of lines Everybody got different emotions different attitudes and you got to deal with this every day You got to deal with this every single day I got to deal with your emotion every day. You might wake up in a bad mood and mad about you got a bad letter or something and you want to hurt somebody This is the type of stuff we got to deal with every day, you know, I'm saying did you see that you see dudes getting stuck in the child I seen dudes get stabbed plenty of times in prison Plenty of times. I see the dude get stabbed for stealing which he deserved it because that's one of the number one rules in prison You don't touch on me the man's property. No hell no, you know, I'm saying you don't see and he got called stealing and the dude made an example out of him Anybody still for me this was going to happen to you and he was well in his right. Mm-hmm. You know, I said who's the meat telling me oh, man? He stabbed the man. I don't want nobody stealing from me as a shockard that would Would somebody in your group have to come up to you to get the green light to go. Yeah, buck somebody Yes, and at the same time it's hard being a shot caller because you got to make a lot of decisions. You don't want to make right Say you get close to a person so close to where y'all like brothers, but he do something fucked up That's on me. I got to make that decision for everybody. So when everybody we have a meeting and everybody bringing to my attention Say man is dude this man here. He was out of line. He needs to be violated. I Got to see that violation through Whether we was close brothers, friends, however you want to call it I got to mess that relationship up with him because I got to make that call So it's hard being over there because everybody waiting on your judgment They looking at you like hmm. What is he gonna do? Is he gonna get weak about this? Is he gonna let him make it? What are you gonna do? I can't appear to be weak, you know what I'm saying because if I appear to be weak, then how can I be a Speaker for y'all and lead y'all, you know what I'm saying? I remember I told you back earlier. I got to lead by example So I can't do for them what I want to do for myself. Carlito's way Carlito's way the streets is watching Street is watching she is watching all I gotta be there. I got to make the right moves It's wild like like the same mentality when you were gang banging on the street. You're watching people This is just the same thing. You've just brought it over from guns now. It's shanks and fists No guns in there. It's even worse Because now you got to really fit for yourself like a man See it's easy in the world to shoot somebody But what you gonna do when you ain't got a gun And you got to fit for yourself like a man Or you got as these these your pistols. You know, we call pistols in prison are gloves Yeah, my boy Tim told me about the gloves in Texas. We got them hard leather gloves. We'd be getting you know I'm saying from you can get some get some from trusty out on the farm or whatever. Yeah, tell us about those. Yeah, they've real rough man They could they leather they they cut your skin when you hit somebody. You know, I'm saying the right way and we pay We pay commissary for them to get them. So they don't buy them on the commissary. No, no, no Somebody working in the horse barn or you know, I'm saying somebody in stainless steel somebody working wear leather gloves Yeah, you know, I'm saying you can get them. You know, I'm saying and That's what we call our pistols. So when we fight you hear somebody be like hold on Let me go grab my pistol meaning he's running in the sale to get his gloves, you know, I'm saying yeah, that's your pistols in prison Right, you know, I mean you could fuck somebody up worse than a shank almost man, you cut them up, but Yeah, they're not like getting stabbed though. They're shank. I guess it depends what kind of shank depends if they're coming to just Teach you a lesson or they're coming to kill you, right? Yeah, and I have several shanks I made shanks out of fence wires and everything I'm gonna sat on the wreck yard and kept bending for like three days to get an offense wire off the fence and then now You got to sneak it in. You know, I'm saying then once you get it in you take it and you make a point out of it You take it and you get on your ground and you shave you keep doing this going around in the circle with it and Till it becomes a fine point like this now you got a hiding you could either hide it in your mat like me Man, I don't even want to get a game up. I hear mine and my deodorant You know what I'm saying? I used to take my deodorant out to stick my shank in there put my deodorant on put it in my commentary bag come to the day room I never got searched with my commentary bag to where they found it, you know what I'm saying? But that's why I hit my shank all the time. So what's the handle on it though like it is it's been it's a man I wish was here where I could show you the fence wire you know how the fence wire where it's got that loop Yeah, like this on the end of it right yeah, you get it you get it bent like this to where you can hold it in your hand You know what I'm saying and poke somebody Yeah, but it's a poker it's nice. It's this long But the point of it be so sharp you can do like this and bling your finger bleed, you know what I'm saying That's how you know like yeah, I got one, you know what I'm saying, but I'm not seeing people make it out of glass Man, it's so many man. It's people in there with it with it's inmates in there with shanks who like Swords Then they look like they like Spartan Swords. Yeah, like they in that movie 300 I don't see some bad stuff. Bro, I don't see some shame that I cut your whole head off You know, I'm saying if somebody whack you in the head, you know what I'm saying they can take your head off So when you guys went to yard or whenever you are out online movement you guys have to have them on you man I got to keep my shank on me got to because you never know what's going to happen Like I know the Mexican games they used to hide their shanks on the wreck yard in the dirt You know what I'm saying, so it's accessible to get if something happened on the wreck yard, you know what I'm saying The units you were on have metal detector going out to the yard. No, no. They have guards patting you down. But if you got if you got a cool guard standing here and you cool with them, it's like. Yeah, yeah guards are lazy. They don't, you know, they're doing that hundreds of times a week. They're just like, yeah, go for it. Yeah, they just know, you know what I'm saying? You got to have a swore on you. They you know what I'm saying? Did anybody ever come at you? No, no. I had somebody pull the shank out on me though, but I couldn't get to him though. I was trying my best to get to him too. He was locked in the cell. He was being a basically a cell warrior. Right. He was like, okay, wait till the door's rolled. And then he called a guy over that's a part of his gang. He'd be like, and the guy would be like, man, don't do it, man. They didn't feel like they do talk them out of it. I'm like, no, you know, talking out of it. He exposed the shank to me, you know what I'm saying? I got we got a handle that. And then they like, well, y'all just get y'all one on one on it. Just let's leave it alone. I'm cool with that. Then we just go behind the stairs or wait till they call red go out there by the handball court. Have we going to do it going to sail whatever I never like fighting in the cell because the cell so small you hit your hand. I don't hit my hand on the end of the bunk and swole my hand up like this. Busted my look at my knuckles. Fuck. Look at this. I'm a busted my knuckles and everything. So I always like fighting either under the stairs under the TV are on the handball court. Yeah. You know what I'm saying outside it rig. And everybody to make a wall. And you know, y'all get your scrap on with laws coming around there. Y'all like y'all playing handball. Yeah. If somebody was going to get stuck, where would that happen at anywhere, but ideally, ideally on the wing, because we be on the wing all day. But I mean, like I said, if something pop off on the wreck yard, you can get stuck on the wreck yard. They locked the wreck yard gate. So you can't go nowhere. You basically stuck on the wreck yard with everything going on. Did you witness that? Did you wish a witness a ride on the yard where it was like everybody pulling shanks out? I want to say a ride. I want to say just a misunderstanding that got over escalated, but nobody died or nobody. It wasn't to the degree where, you know what I'm saying? People just really got messed off. Most happened with just big old fight break out and people just squabbling and you know what I'm saying? They run out there. Get it on the hand. So you're three, your three years into your stretch where when your appeal goes through and nobody wins an appeal. So the fact that you got to go back before the judge. Yeah, that was a blessing. And I'm wrong. Man, I messed it off being ignorant to the law. How did that? How did you bounce back from that mentally? I mean, that must have been crushing. Man, that was crushing. Bro, it hurts. Especially when I found out what a Bateman was when I found out what a Bateman was when I went to the law librarian. I was just like, you mean to tell me that it was like, yeah, bro, you tripped out. I'm like, well, I couldn't have tripped out because I don't know the law. I ain't got no help. There was like, yeah, you could be at home right now. You could have got a time reduction. I got it, you know what I'm saying? Reduce anything, bro. And when I found out that that really hurt me, bro. Because I was just like, damn, man. Now I'm going to have to do this time. I could be at home. My kids right now. But I'm going to tell you the blessing and they don't. I needed to stay in prison. God blessed me by sending me to prison. And I'm thankful for it. You hear a lot of guys be like, man, I mean, man, God, God, me locked up. Won't let me out, man. All right. They churn against God. Everything. No, I'm happy. God put me in prison. Why? Because God started revealing to me all the hurt I was doing to people, the things that I was doing out in the world. The hurt I was causing my family. And I started looking at myself like, what are you doing, man? What are you doing, bro? Can you believe? I couldn't, I got a shame in myself. Because I was like, I couldn't believe I was that person. And when you moving that fast, you don't see it. You don't take the time to sit back and see it. And I, and I remember I was sitting on my, I was laying on my bunk one day. And God was like revealing stuff to me. Like, remember when you ran in that house and did this and slapped that dude with that gun. And I was just like, man, why did I do that? Man, that's crazy. That was crazy. Then I think of something like when I robbed somebody or shot that somebody or shot the car, look, I'm like, what did I do that stupid phone? So it was like God was playing it to me. And then I started realizing I needed to be here. I needed this. I needed God to sit me down. Because if I didn't, I'd be dead probably right now. I wouldn't have a life right now. If God didn't sit me down in prison. So instead of being mad at God like I did when I first was doing a couple of years in prison, I started seeing the blessing out of it. I started thanking God. Thank you God for having me here. Thank you for getting me from the streets and the lifestyle I was living. Because I could be dead right now. Or I could have heard somebody even worse and be having and be being here for life when no parole. I could have did some crazy stuff like that. You saved me God. Thank you. And that's when I, that's when I realized he's taking start hitting me on me. And I start going to church more in there. I start reflecting back on my life. I start trying to mend broken relationships in the world that I have with people. I start trying to just get it together bro. Like man, I got to be a different person when I get out in the world for not just for me, but for my kids and my family. I got to show them a different person. I can't go out. I can't leave here the same way I came in here. Something got to change. Something got to give. Yeah. And that's what I like to turn and point like in the middle of my sentence. When I first went in there, I was mad at God. I didn't care. I didn't care what was going to take place. I was on war. I was adapted to the penitentiary because you know, you're adapted to your situations. But after I got so being so involved in the penitentiary to where I knew it was like man, it's time that you start getting your stuff together brother. It's time. Quit being involved in these prison politics. Quit getting yourself involved. It's people here don't care if they go home. They got short sentences. So they're going home regardless. You got a long time. You got to start figuring out what you're going to do with your time. So that's when I start making a change and start really just sitting down like, yeah, it's taught me to get my shit together. Yeah. That's what I hear. Talk to people that have really long bids, you know, 20 years or more. It's about, you know, the first half, first quarter of their stretch, they're just acting like they're still in the streets. And then, but it's, it's about getting older too, like, yeah, you mature. Yeah, prison prison help you mature and you slow down and, you know, yeah, it's wild to look back. Even me, I think back to some of the shit that I did. And I'm like, I can't fucking believe I did that. Yeah, it didn't make you think like, what the fuck? Usually involves women for me. But I look back and I'm like, God damn. You know what? It's good thing you brought that up about mature because it's a lot of older men in prison that gives you the game. If you were listening to them, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot of grown men that was in, because when I went in, remember I was young, I was in my 20, but it was a lot of grown men older men in there. That was, that was giving us the game like, y'all still look, man. You need to find you a trade, man. Why is you sitting in here? Just, you know what I'm saying? Getting involved and everything going on on the wing, man. Go get you a trade down there. Go get some schooling. You can go to school down here, bro. You worried about failing when you could be getting a landscaping trade or something to get now making something to yourself, man. It was a lot of guys in there that was enforcing that on us. We were so young and wild at first, we weren't listening to them, but as I got older and got more mature in the system, I was like, man, I need to get in some type of trade or something. So I started taking landscaping. So I'm getting involved in, so I'm getting my time more involved in doing something more productive than sitting on the wing all day arguing over the football game or arguing over the domino table or fighting about something about red or something stupid. And my time started going faster and it started easing up for me. Cause I wasn't secluded into everything that was going on. I was more now in the, man, I need to go take this or I need to go do this or I go to the church house and involve myself in comparative religion and getting a religion class. Or you know what I'm saying? I was doing things like that. Getting involved in the programs that was going on in the prison prison has a lot of programs. Really even it's not all bad, bro. It's bad. It's horrible. I wouldn't wish my words to the enemy on it for as prison. But the programs that's accessible for us, you can get into a program, bro. You can go to school. Even in Texas. Yeah, in Texas, you can go to school, bro. You can get a GD. You can go to getting automotive trade, landscaping trade. You can learn how to do these different trade. You can work at the stainless steel plant with metals and stuff, learning how to do things, bro. They got opportunities. It's just on you. if you're going to take them. It's on you if you're going to, if you're going to do one, you know what I'm saying? I think just the problem is it's run like a slave factory and it's an intensity. So yes, you could tell a guy, look, when you get out, all of this free work that you're doing for us in the metal factory, in the fields or whatever, you can convert this to a profession. But in here, you're going to be working for 25 cents an hour. We don't even get paid in Texas prison. There you go. Talk about it. You don't even get paid. It's free labor. Now, when we bring up the slave part, I would say the whole squad, that's what they call it. It's field squad, but they call it the whole squad because you got a little aggy hoe and you couldn't grasp. I would say that's my land day slavery. They wake you up early in the morning, take you out on a wagon and you go out there, nothing to feel they give you a little aggy hoe with a little blade like this, make you line up in the line. You got a lead row in the tail row calling catons and you lined up in the straight line and you cutting hundreds of yards of field with a aggy hoe, hundreds of yards. I ain't talking about no little distance area right here. I'm talking about we might start down here and in the way down there, down, down there close to where the highway is football fields football fields cutting grass like this, going in the line, we, we, and I'm going to tell you the co-hearted part about it, it's a tractor driver right there watching us, right there with the tractor next to us. But they want us to cut the grass just as punishment, just as punishment, just to whittle down your spirit, just to whittle down your spirit to belittle you then they got a wagon, they got a truck with a like a cage on the bag. If you get into a fight out there, they got the wagon pointed in the hot sun to where the hot sun is beaming on it and they stick you in there while everybody's working. Again, think about Django unchanged that member on the, as punishment, they stick carry Washington the slave girl in a hot box in a hole and just leave her there baking. So what's the, it's the same difference is sticking you on the back of the truck and a cage and you sitting in there hand, cuz why everybody's working, you sitting there waiting to be brought in in the hot sun, sun beaming on you. So who would, who would volunteer to do that? What a whole squad? Yeah. Everybody got to do it. When you come in the system, you got to do it unless you got medical restrictions, your first job going to be a whole squad off the muscle, field squad off the muscle. So you did that? Yeah, I did that for eight years before I got a better job. And you were still gang banging, doing the whole squad and you still had energy to gang bang. That's fucking crazy. How? I did that for eight years before they gave me an SS, they finally was like, man, we gotta get in there SS, I had job, he better here a long time. Yeah, he's going to die. Yeah, eight years, man, in my sentence, I did field squad every day, waking up early in the morning, going out there in some place to take you two halves. Some place you go in early in the morning, come in and launch eat and go right back out there and then come back in and make a day. Like I understand from the administration's point of view why you got people working for free in factories where they're selling shit because they're making money, but they're not making any money, haven't you guys? No money in Texas. Texas don't pay you for nothing. But I'm saying like that the prisons usually get the inmates to do industries where they can. Right. Exactly. You know, there's a million different things in the feds, they have unicorns where they're making shit for the military and they sell it to the military. But cutting grass, they're not making any money off of that. I'm making no money, bro, we out there, we did a human lot more, it's to them is punishment. You don't want to come, you don't want to come to prison then, you want to come to prison and it's the punishment. How did they get away with it? I don't know, bro. I don't know how they get away with that, bro. Well, we were just talking off camera, they just, the Supreme Court just, now literally like two weeks ago, I read an article, they're just mandating Texas prisons, they're making them put air conditioning in. Man, that's beautiful. And I'm happy for them boys because I have been in prison in the summertime for years where it was steam, it was so hot, they had to make respite areas like you can go to the firmerie, school house, lime building stuff like that to get air, cool air, you can, you can put in the eye sensor, get a pass to go because they was literally going around with a thermostat, going in your cell in the cell to be 112 degrees. 112, bro. So can you imagine, can your magic being in that cell all day, 112 degrees? We used to literally went the whole floor, we used to flood the floor in the cell. Put the fans toward the floor like this and lay on the floor like this. Put water all over your body and just lay under the fan like this on the wet floor, the cool off. And for people, it's that hot in there. And for people that don't know Texas, that's three months a year, minimum, sometimes four, this year, this year was four months of 95, 90, 95 plus 100 and three, 102. So if it's 102 out here, you can imagine what it is in that cell with no air conditioner. People die all the time. Man, it's people dying on my unit. I don't witness four people dying from heat, it's all sitting in the cell. It ain't going to do number, cover it up. That's what they good at. I don't watch officers beat inmates up bad. I don't watch officers making mistaken killer inmates, they're going to cover it up. You watch that? Yeah, that's the big cover up. What happened there? Come on in here, breaking in there, I watched one sergeant hold a whole M.A. down and punch you, beat him in his face and knock this tea towel. I witnessed this with my own eyes. Everybody screaming, man, you got me going off screaming, kicking the doors, everything. They going to cover it up. What do they say happened? He fell and knocked all his teeth out. You can imagine what they say. They ain't going to say they did it. They ain't going to say they punched him. Many lawsuits on Texas prison right now for wrongful deaths and all type of stuff, bro. And Texas is crooked, bro. Texas is, man, it's the worst prison in me ever, bro. I've heard about guards throwing inmates off of tears, the tears, yeah, they do that too. They do that too. They got the power. The officers will tell you where they, their own game, they ride for each other. Because they have cameras, surely cameras are picking up then doing that. What have they got cameras? They just now put that in. They got cameras. Now, back then when I first came in, they didn't have no cameras on that wall. For real? Yeah. They didn't have no cameras. Now they got cameras in there now. I heard they even got tablets now. They didn't have no tablets when I was in. Now I wish I had a tablet. Well, what they need is they got to make them wear body cameras to where it's streamed to outside of the prison. Okay. Because if it's just cameras controlled by the prison, yeah, they can they can go and readjust it. Yeah. Or if you're killing inmate, you just go to the captain who's cool and just, hey, just just erase the footage. Yeah. Like they did with Epstein when he got killed in his cell, you know, yeah, it's fucking terrifying. Yeah, that's crazy, man. You're against enemy lines, man, and that ain't just for, that ain't just for blacks. That ain't for minorities. That's for everybody. White dudes get treated the same in there. So I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, man, they do black people wrong. They do the misconduct. They doing minorities wrong. They do white guys like that too. White guys having it hard in there too, you know what I'm saying? I had a lot of white friends that was in there that was that was Aaron brotherhood. Aaron Knife. You would think they was racist. Half of them guys ain't racist, bro. Half of them white guys that's in there ain't racist, bro. They got black baby mamas and everything, but they felt like it was so hard for white guys in Texas prison. So they felt like when they come down there, they got to ride for their own. And I can understand why they feel that way to be honest with you because they're minorities in prison. White guys are the minorities in prisons, you know what I'm saying? Consulate Texas. Yeah. So they got, they, they got to join forces to be able to hold up and battle with all the men's kids and the blacks, you know what I'm saying? I, I think called Aryan, I mean, I obviously started with the Aryan brotherhood, which wasn't racist in California. I've heard it's become more racist, but it's just a brand though. It's, it's just a brand to make it themselves look menacing. Yeah. Like, hey, we're cool with Hitler. Yeah. Like, don't fuck with us. Yeah. So it's just survival. It was just a survival thing, man. Like I said, I'm talked a lot of white guys in prison and it was like, flawless. I'm not racist at all, bro. My baby mama, and I got, I got grandkids this blank, you know what I'm saying? I just feel like when I came down, it was so hard at the time I came down, I had to join, you know what I'm saying? Joining up with the team to be able to, you know what I'm saying, make it all these years. I'm telling you. I also saw that with black guys, the opposite, you know, black guys that were like really anti-white, you know, you go to the visiting room and there would be their white white white white white. And so what? She was a little heavy. Hey, you got to get, you got to get the balloons, so that's what I said, man, I met a lot of good guys. and prison, bro, I met a lot of good-hearted people, bro. And that was from white boys to men's kids and black, bro. It's just all the prison is just all about how you wanna do your time, bro. - Now, were you-- - You know what I'm saying? - Were you rapping in there? Did you start rapping again? - No, actually, it's funny because I get flacked for that till this day. And all my homeboys be like, that was in prison when we be like, boy, you weren't rapping at all in there. You weren't writing and nothing. How you able to come out and still be like you is? For some reason, I lost the neck in prison of rapping, bro. I lost the neck of writing and stuff, bro. It was just like, when I got that long time, it was just like, man, I don't give a care about nothing no more, man. It's over with. I feel like, yeah, my life over with. I don't even care no more what happens. I didn't even care, bro. I didn't care if I died in there. I was like, man, I don't care. Somebody stabbed me up in the ear, what it is, man. That's the life set for me. But then you started getting parole shots. Like that's the interesting thing about Texas is, they give you a lot of time. But then they do have parole. - Yeah. - Like an organ where I'm from, honky state, right? Not a lot of violence. You think it's more like liberal. But they, if you murder somebody, you're generally just getting life without parole. So, but here they give you 50 years, but you do go see the parole board at 20. - Yeah, they give you absence. They give you, like, you might see it. They don't give you your first parole, though. I mean, I see, but I think I got like four or five set-offs before I finally made parole for the, before they finally was like, "How much time do they, 70?" Oh boy, you this time, you don't go home. I had the 17 on the 25, you know what I'm saying? - Well, how far in was your first parole? - 12 and a, you see them on your halfway mark. Since my case is aggravated, 'cause you got non aggravated offenders and aggravated. Aggravated, you gotta do half of your time. Non-agg-offenders, you don't. - What's a non-agg? - Non-agg'd be like drug case. You got caught with some MF grandma MF or something. They gave you like a year, too. - Okay, so like violence. - Yeah, non-violent, I see. But aggravated offenders, you gotta do half of your time before you even come up for parole. So, if I get a 30-year sentence, I gotta do 15 years flat before I even see parole. - I see. - I had 25 years sentence, so I had to do 12 and a half just to see parole, you know what I'm saying? - And they didn't consider your behavior or your. - Yeah, they do that, they consider that, too. But nine-time out of 10, they already told me you was gonna get set off anyway. There was like nine-time out of 10 that was an aggravated offender. When you first come up, you're not gonna go home. And all my set-offs was for the same thing, which they wasn't supposed to do, but they didn't anyway, 'cause like I said, they got the power, they didn't do what they wanted. But all my parole, what I wanna say rejections was nature of crime. So I got to the point where I was like, the nature of crime is not gonna change. I mean, I'm in here for the nature of crime. So what is gonna change about it? That's gonna make y'all let me go home. Like, I'm like, man, God damn, you know what I'm saying? So next you know I look up, get a paper, a thing in the mail, deny it. I'm like, God, ladies, it's gonna keep denying me for the nature of crime. How can I change that? There's no way to change it. And the last time to where I went to see parole, where I made parole, I kind of figured I was going home 'cause I went to see parole and the woman was, she had came in there and she was like, how long have you been in here 17 years on a 25th? Oh, you gotta go home, it's time you to go home. And that right there, I was like, oh man, that might be my shot here, I might be going home. And little dude, you know, I got a thing, say, if I want, you know, if I want me, you go home, I think what 30 to 45 days, oh man, I can't even explain the feeling, bro. I couldn't even explain the feeling, man. I was just like, man, I'm going, I was so much shocked. I was halfway one believing it was true. I was like, no, this can't be true, man. Maybe they messed up or something. All right, you know what I'm saying to my home, but like, man, you go home, man, you tripping. I'm like, no, it's even weirder, something ain't right. They let my boy like, man, you going home, bro, you to does 17 years. You'll probably be happy. I'm just like, dang, it just didn't hit me. You know what I'm saying right away, but at time going on and hitting me, I was just like, man, I'm going home, bro. Man, you know what I'm saying? I get to see my key, look. It's all over. That's got to be a terrifying 40 days, man. Man, I'm talking about on the edge of your seat. You just like, you try to stay away from any little thing possible. I was stayed in my cell, dude. Man, man, I'm trying to stay away from any altercation, any little situation. I'm just, man, I don't want no parts in it. I hear what isn't here, no evil seat, no evil. Oh, man, I don't want to be around. Nothing, leave me alone, please. I just want to work out and go home. Yeah. And the feds out of friend in there, when he went to the guard, he goes, hey, man, I'm two months to the gate. The guard goes, oh, shit, come here. We have to get you in the hole. What? And they send him straight to the hole. You know what, I actually had an officer do that and say that too. They was like, I heard you made parole. I was like, yeah, man, I'm going home with my family. Everything. They're like, I'm going to try my power not to let you get home. I was like, what, I was like, why would you do that? Why would you want to see me? They're like, I'm going to try, I'm going to try to get you a case, everything, so you don't go home. For real? So I tell the other officer in the picking, I'm like, you hear this, right? I just want you to be a witness. So you will know that this person, you know what I'm saying? Trying to get me where I can't go home with my family. Lucky the guard in the picking was cool. They were like, you know what I'm saying? I was like, man, I'm going to play with me. He walked up to you and said, it was a woman. It was a woman. And I know I said it on my last prison story interview with another podcast and everybody was in the company. Like, why you want to say the name? Say the name of the person. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to say the name of the person. But I will say it was on the boy unit and she was a woman. And she literally told me, I'm going to try whatever my power to write to a case or you don't go home. And she would be in serious. She was being serious. No playing. Like, I'm fit to stop you from going home. I'm going to write you any kind of case. I'm just glad she said it to where the picket boss heard it. And was like, nah, we ain't not at that going on. People's lives are so empty and powerless that, and this is why humans are corruptible because you give them power over people. And that's what fills them with whatever they're missing. But it's the lowest energy you can have is wanting to intentionally make somebody else suffer. Yeah, 'cause they ain't getting over. They probably ain't got that power at home. Probably getting beat at home by your husband or getting ran over by your husband cheating on or bad stuff happening to you. So now you put on that suit. You feel like now you're the aggressor. You got the power. Now you finally got some control. Now you, 'cause your home is out of control. Yeah, well, when I was talking about my homie and the feds, the guard did him a favor. Like you got 60 days of the gate. Yeah, get in the hole for your protection. 'Cause on those real rough, violent USPs, you know. I'm not fucking here as you're going home. No, you're not. Yeah, that's the same way it takes the prison. I'm not far as the degree of stabbing you. But nobody wants to see you go home. 'Cause they got a lot of time. So they like, man, you know what I'm saying? So I actually had a situation to where people was actually trying to get me to fight. They was actually trying to get me to miss myself off. Like it could be over the dominoe table. That press issue even harder to where when I wasn't making parole, you were scared to say something to me. Now if I said, you missed a big guy, you know what I'm saying? You missed a tough talk. And like that, and I just laughed at all. 'Cause I'm like, my mind, you know, I'm smarter than that. I'm like, come on, bro, if I want to make a parole, I had you back there under the still bloody dinner month. I'd be back there beating you to death back there, bro. So I'm not trying to hear all that, man. I'm like, okay, okay. Now if you keep playing, it's my kitchen and sale or somewhere, I can't be seen. Better watch how you talking to me, you know what I'm saying? Might get worse for you. Did anybody get the best of you in a one-on-one prison? - Yeah. - No. No. I can never, I ain't gonna say that. I'm gonna say, I had close fights. Like, I don't fall some guys that really had something, you know what I'm saying? And I wouldn't even say I whooped 'em. I say it was more like even, you know what I'm saying? But far as somebody who's whooping me, I never been whooped in prison. And I'm not saying I'm bad. I'm not saying I can't be whoop. 'Cause I know a whole bunch of guys that have massed me out. I just didn't ever get into confrontation with 'em too, fight 'em. But far as me getting whooped, I never got whooped in prison. Never got put on your pockets. - Never got put on my pocket. I never been knocked out in my life, even in the world. I never been put on my pocket. I never been dropped none of that, you know what I'm saying? I fight hard. - I bet you beat some ass though. - Man, I fight hard bro. I fight hard and like I said again, I'm saying, I'm not the baddest person. I could be whooped, I know I can't, but I fight hard. You gonna have to come, you gonna have to bring it. - Man. - Now, I'll tell you a situation that happened to me that everybody was mad at me. about, but it wasn't a lose situation. But on my crib, homeboys was mad at me and the bloods was mad at me because I had gotten to it with this Mexican guy on the basketball court. Now I knew the Mexican guy. He was cool. We was cool. But you know how you know, people you cool with, you get into it with basketball, dominoes, something y'all get into it. So we was arguing over the basketball court. And it got kind of too far. We was calling each other bees and holes. And you know what I'm saying, which you know, that's fighting words, especially in prison. So I'm cool with him. So I'm letting my guard us down. I'm not thinking he's going to hit me because I'm cool with him. You know, I'm thinking it's just a little simple, fuck your, you know what I'm saying? Well, I had my back churn and I was waiting for the ball to be passed to me. He came from Miami and snuck me, wow. Hit was so soft. It was so weak of a hit, bro. It felt like a two year old punching in your face when you mess with your son or something. That's how weak to hit. Well, I was just like, really like, what the fuck? So at the time, that's right. At the time, the guard was coming in the count. It was count time. So my homeboy was like, oh, you gotta get me. I cemented up for the beat this food of death, bro. And I looked at him and I said, you really going to hit me and you know, I'm going to beat you to death. He knew I can whip him, you know what I'm saying? But he didn't want to seem like no hoe. He was also a member of Tango Black. So he didn't want to seem like no ho in front of him. So he's like, man, I got to hit this dude to show him. And we was real cool with Tango Black. As you know what I'm saying? So we on the red guy, I waited to the count go. I said, come on over here, man. So he just rushed me and get to swing it. So it's basically like, you remember how you used to hold somebody head and maybe swing it and you just like, come on dude. Because the dude was short. He was like five, five. I'm five, ten and a half. So I'm just holding him like this. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I push his head and he's swinging while my home was like, no, man, match. They want me to match him. They want me to beat him down. And I'm just really looking at him like dead and you know, I can hurt you, bro. You know, you know, I'd hurt you, bro. And he trying to, he trying his best to hit me but he missing everything. And my homeboy's man and me cause they like, man, match, man, match him. So I finally just give him a little two piece just to let him know stop playing. So I hit him. Boom, boom. He was like, oh, and he went by the weights and he was like, damn, I'm through. I'm through. And I was like, man, go on, man. Just go, bro. And everybody's like, no, man, y'all got to finish that. And I'm like, bro, just go on, bro, go on, bro far hurt you. I don't want to hurt you. Now you making me mad. Just go, bro, I don't got my hurt you. You two little bro. And he like, yeah, yeah, I ain't no hold on. I ain't scary. I'm like, yeah, you ain't scary. Go on, bro, go on. So my homeboys was mad at me. I'm a crib homeboy. They were mad at me. We get back on the wing and I know, man, you should've whooped him, bro. Now, man, that was, I'm like, bro, you want to fight? Don't tell me what I need to do. I'll whoop you. Don't come talking to me about what I needed to do. But they don't know the relationship I have with this little dude. He said, man, come on, bro. He even came up to me after this and was like, man, I know I can't whoop you. I know you could've killed me. I'm like, bro, just, and I ain't nothing, man. Just chill. So his big homeboy, all of a sudden, all of them saw looking at me like, I was weak or something. I guess they ain't mind like all my little homeboy did his thing out there whoop to whoop. So now I'm getting wind of it. I'm like, huh? Well, you know, I could have killed you. I'm like, no, no, hold on now. Y'all get out of line now. So I remember this day, clear this day, we going to necessities. We don't mean his big homeboy and the same wing together. So he decides he want to try me. We going, we going out the door. He pumps me out the door like trying to hold me. So I look, I said, I grabbed him. I said, say homeboy. What's up? He was like, say, man, uh, what's up? What you want to do? Flows? I said, you know what? Let me go and show y'all what this is. So I said, come on back on the wing. So I throw my necessity down. He throw his down. He like, what's up? slaughtered him. You hear me? Beat him senseless. And people that was there about for it. He had a patch on his eye for about three months. Beat him. I try to beat the brakes off of him. After that, everybody was like, oh, yeah, yeah, leave him alone. No, no, don't leave him alone. He ate the one. But it's bad that I had to do that. But they start playing me like after what they've seen with little little man. They start playing me like they think they can play with me. So I said, now let me go and set the standard down. Let me go and cut this off. I'm going to beat you to death just to show them. Yeah, it's real, brother. I just, I played with your little home, boy, but I ain't for the play with you. I'm going to do you in. You big. You're built like a fucking, you're built like crucial walker, dude. Man, everybody say I'm big, but I don't see it, bro. Everybody be like, boy, you being in the mud. I don't see it. He thick, bro, but it's proportional. So it's intimidating. Well, I ain't never been this big, bro. Man, I mostly, I weighed, bro, between like 175, 190. I weighed 241. God. I ain't never been this big in my life. I'm 241, bro. And you never went to the hole for any of these? Oh, yeah, I've been this, I would just say several times. I've been in several times for fighting, for establishing relationship with an officer, all type of stuff. You're not married anymore. So spill the secrets. Were you getting laid in there? Well, I got a girl at home, but I still, you know, yeah, I was getting laid in the joint. Yeah, I didn't hate all type of stuff. I don't got hate on it. I don't do it some self. Now do you bust really quick when you're getting ahead in prison? That's 100% fact. That's 100% truth, bro. I don't know. It's like you sensitive. Well, it's just like smoking weed in prison. Your tolerance is way down. Yeah, it's way down. So you ain't gonna laugh. You're not going to laugh at prison. If you get some head in prison, that's going to be the best feeling you ever felt your life. You know, I'm saying especially after doing 10 years, 15 years, you get some hair. You like, man, that's the wonderful feeling of the world, man. You know, I'll take anything for granted after going 10 years with no head. Man, bro. And you got all the packages through. You never, you never got busted. Never got busted, bro. Thank you, Lord, man. So were you getting money in there? Were you eating at high? Oh, yeah. Man, I had commissary bags stacked up everywhere. I used to get my my cell. He didn't have commissary. He didn't have nobody in the world looking out for him. I used to give him big bags. Yeah. I used to give him big bags out here, bro. He like, no, for real. I'm like, no, for real. You can have that. He like, man, quit playing, man, like, bro. As you, man, you can have that. You don't say, we had commissary bags hanging up everywhere. You know, I didn't even got my commissary took. I remember, oh, they was doing shake down one day because they smelled some smoke on the wing. Came in there, they searched and said, they were like, what are you doing with all this commissary? I'm like, oh, man, they took my commissary from me. I'm like, damn. I mean, man, they do what they want. This is prison. But they, they, they mind they figured they like all this commissary bag. He got to be the one selling stuff. So now they watching you. Now they watching you. Everything you do, you come out the wing. They watching you on the bowling alley. We call the bowling alley the outside. Basically, when you come out the doors, when you walk the child or brick or, you know, I'm saying that's called a bowling alley. So now they watching me everywhere. I move who officer I'm talking to. Why is he sitting there talking to their officer for a long time? Maybe that's the one bringing the dope being. So now you got to know how to move. You got to move strategic. If you see the girl that you messing with, you don't talk to her at all. You walk right past her like you don't even know her until things cool down. Even when things cool down, you still don't want to draw no attention or no heat to her because you got to remember she got a family out in the world. She got people out in the world too. So if you get her fired, you didn't, you don't fucked up her household, but her husband or whoever she went at the house. Because these women got husbands in me and at home. But you got to look at it. Prison is eye candy for these women. You got all type of, when you in there, we ain't got nothing but time to work out. That's what we do on our time. So we chiseled up like we on that movie 300. So when women, the average women be, they don't look good. They see you, they like, oh shit. They know you're not messing with any other women. They looking at your body like, damn, that ain't gonna fire. So now if you grit, you heard that saying, if you're green, you win. So if you're green or give me any type of little attention, you win. So if you show me it, damn boy, you didn't got big up. Oh yeah, what's up? What's going on with you? Now the talk game begins. So if the talk game make it that time, now the kite game begins. I'm a writer at kite. If she don't turn me in, I mean, she good. No, a writer at little kite. You so beautiful. Your eyes are telling what she want to hear. Sneak a tour. If she take it, put it in her pocket. - If you're going to bad through me reading a walkoff and don't tell me on you, you got her. - And then it's hey, well mama, can you bring me in? - Yeah, after you build a relationship with her, to where you get it comfortable, to where you'd be like, "Hey man, boy, I show Miss Sunkers cigarettes, man. I wish I had a cigarette. I got something in the car. Man, man, you can't bring one in on your break. You think you can get one in on your break? I ain't get a whole pack in on my break. Man, bring me all the pack, man, I can smoke, man, damn." But man, it starts with that pack. Once you get that pack, then it's leads to other things, you know what I'm saying, go on and on and on. - And were you cutting them in on the money too? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to. You got to, we help you pay your light bill from prison and everything, you can pay your bill. I don't see any dudes, get officers, and they begin having new cars, real tough. I put that on everything right into the Lord. - See money in there? - Man, what? Prison is a cash car, bro, bro. My home boy, I ain't gonna say his name. I got a home boy in there and he made $70,000 from prison before he left prison and made parole on one home. 70,000. 70,000, bro. - That's a good one. - And it's big money in there, bro. Big money, especially when Cash App first came out. - So that's, I was gonna ask. That's how you guys were doing it. - Because they got phones in there in prison. So you can get, they get, they get people to send you the money to your people Cash App. Once the money confirms, then that person meets this person, the officer somewhere, gives them the stuff, get an officer the money for bringing it in, officer brings it in too, you know what I'm saying? - And that's how the-- - It might be giving you out too much gain. - No, we know this, and the inmates, that's how you guys are, are you trading for commissary? Or are you-- - No, some people do it for Cash money, some people just do it for Cash App. Now the people that are doing for Cash Mer, commissary, they small time. They probably buy little stuff off us, just to sell it and make commissary for themselves to have, you know what I'm saying? But the people that's really big time doing it, and the penitentiary, it's all about dollars. It's all about, you can get people to sneak your, you get your family and visit the Taser, sneak you $100 bills in or whatever, and you can do it that way, and they can pay the officer that way. Or you can get it, like I said, the Cash App deal. - And that's how you were doing Cash App or Cash Money? - Yeah, both. - Both, I can get a $100 bill in it, give you what you want. And then now that made it easier for me, so when I go to the officer, I can be like, here's a $100 bill, bring me three packs of cigarettes in. - Yeah, so now your people on the outside don't even have to meet-- - They ain't got to do it. I can give you the 100 right here, and now you can just take it out and bring me back what I need in. - Yeah, prison is real, man, it's a real cash crop. - For everybody, for the administration, for the dirty guards, for the inmates that know how to hustle. - Yeah. - And then like I said, you got a lot of guards in there that's just cool, bro. They just want to see you go home, bro. Some guards in there that make money, and some guards just, they cool guards, bro. They don't like the way you being treated. So when they say all guards are bad, 'cause they sit there and talk to inmates, no, they're not, bro. It's guards in there that actually want to see you go home to your family, bro. They like, man, I'm tired of y'all going through this, bro. I'm tired of seeing y'all have to deal with these officers in here, cussing y'all out it, locking y'all up and all that, man, you need going to your kids, bro. There's officers in there that give you the game, bro. Yeah, man. - It's good cops. - Yeah, it's good. It's just like good cops in the world. It's good cops in the world. All cops ain't bad, bro. It's a need for cops. Can you imagine what we would not have in the world if we didn't have police out there to protect you, like the police out there to protect you? It'd be okay. I'll say it was a no police system. - It'd be all good. - Everybody be killing each other. - It'd be all North Dallas. - Man, it'd be, that would be crazy. - It would be your childhood. - Everywhere. - Come on, man. Come on, man, everybody ain't bad, bro. Everybody ain't bad. - So you came home during the pandemic, 2020. And now you tell us, tell us what's up, dude. You're back wrapping. Man, I get out blessed by a friend of mine named Karam when I first got out, he gave me $20,000. And man, I had a lot of love. Man, people were just coming over bringing me money, bro. And man, I'm talking about that. He wasn't the only person. I had like five other friends, you know what I'm saying? That I was actually locked up in prison with. Got out. And when I got out, they was coming over bringing me money, bringing me clothes, helping me out. I had a good support team, bro. And I think all of y'all, man. I think everybody that supported me when I got out of prison and helped me get back on my feet, you know what I'm saying? But I didn't start wrapping right away when I got out. I think I started wrapping probably, probably when I got off the ankle monitor in the GPA, 'cause I had an ankle monitor in the GPS system, where I couldn't even leave the house at all. I had to be confined inside. I couldn't go in the backyard. I couldn't go in the garage. I couldn't go in the front yard. I had to be confined inside the house 24 hours of the day. How long was that for? A year and four months. Easy. I think I did a year and three, four, a year and a three to four months. I'm gonna say probably a year and three months. I'll beat prison. Yeah, and a GPS system where I had a phone. Like if I was just stepping the garage, the phone or saw ringing, they're going, what are you doing in the garage? What are you doing outside that house? That's how it was, bro, for a whole year and three months. I was just like, oh, man, I gotta get off this shit, man, for real. Are you off paper now? No, I'm still on parole. I think I got like two years left, you know what I'm saying? Man, well, let this be a lesson to you, everybody out there. But plug the rap in. Tell us where, tell us. Yeah, I had a friend and his son is real deep in the music and he's doing real good, man, for a niggas entertainment. And he called me over his house one day. He had a studio built up in his house. And he was like, man, you rap and see, I'm like, no, man, I ain't broken. I can't tell you the last time I wrote a rap. He was like, bro, you got a man, you're too good, man. You was called, bro, we look up to you. You need to get back in your music, bro. Man, I got a studio in my house. Come on in my house. So one day I went over there, I was listening to today's songs and shit, it motivated me. I was like, oh, you know what now, forget that. I gotta get this. So I did my first song, shot my first video. He helped me pay for the video, get my stuff on. And after that, I never look back. Now, I'm so far in the game, man. I've been with them in every major rapper. You know, I'm on video with all types of different rappers in their videos. All to, I'm man, I've been everywhere, bro. I don't travel everywhere, everything in the game. If you go on my Instagram, floss, underscore, the boss with a THA, you'll see, you can go down and be like, oh, he was with him, you know what I'm saying? I got 80-something thousand Instagram followers, you know what I'm saying? 17,000 YouTube subscribers. I'm doing good on YouTube, everything, bro. - Well go check them out, man, floss the boss. - Yeah, floss THA, boss. That's the D-A, 'cause it's a guy calling himself floss, D-A, boss, the boss. I'm floss THA, boss, floss the boss. - Yeah, still incorrect spelling. - Yeah. - Very incorrect, but you know, it's a regional man. - What a life story, bro. I appreciate your time. - Man, I appreciate you for having me, man. Y'all got to mess with my boy, Johnny Mitchell, man. One of the hottest podcasts in the world, man. And he's gonna always bring you real to you 100%. He always gonna have the real on his show. He ain't falsifying nothing. He ain't sugar-coating nothing. But he gonna always stand on business, man. Y'all make sure y'all check my guy out. I'm telling y'all, man, for real. Peace, peace. (upbeat music)