Speaker 1We really need to shift our mindset from a lack mentality to an abundance mindset, because I believe thoughts are powerful. What you think about, about yourself, about the world, you attract that energy, right? So if you think thoughts of abundance, positivity, and you're speaking those words and thinking it, then what tends to happen is that God, the universe starts to generate those resources and bring it towards you. So welcome to the Profitable Graphic Designer Podcast.
Speaker 2My name is Katie Sandel, and this episode was brought to you by Aventive Academy, an online business education platform that helps brand graphic and web designers get more clients, increase their pricing, and build a profitable design business. We have online programs, courses, and templates that you can use, and you can find out more about starting and growing your freelance design business at AventiveAcademy.com. Welcome to the Profitable Graphic Designer Podcast. Could you introduce yourself and share a little bit about who you are, what you do, and who you help? Sure.
Speaker 1Thanks so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. My name is Jeremy. I'm an Aussie guy from Sydney, Australia, lived here all my life, but I'm currently a brand identity designer and content creator. I work full-time from home, and I love helping young designers and creatives, you know, run a freelance business and actually get better at graphic design. And I do a whole bunch of courses on Skillshare, so I teach my tips and tricks that I've learned over the past 10 years. I also have a YouTube channel where I share valuable tutorials that are really easy to get started in. So that's a little bit about me. I also do have an eight-month-year-old and a wife, which work from home as well. So, you know, home life is always pretty hectic, but I love what I do. And yeah. That's amazing. That's a lot of different things.
Speaker 2So we have a lot of different things to cover today. But today, we are talking all about having an entrepreneurial mindset, especially for creatives and designers, and how we can use that mindset to grow our businesses. So can you tell us a little bit about what you do? Can you start us off by explaining what is an entrepreneurial mindset?
Speaker 1Yeah. So for me, an entrepreneurial mindset is all about solving problems and seeing opportunities. So it's all about how can I see a need in the market, whether it's in culture or society or in a community or, you know, whatever, there's something that there's a problem, you know, an entrepreneurial mindset tries to find a way to fix that problem. Okay. And so I'm going to start us off by explaining what is an entrepreneurial mindset. And so when it comes to design, obviously it might be to design better design or create accessible design for, you know, so it's more inclusive for people, or maybe it's for creating designs, uh, environmental friendly, like stuff like that. And so it's about thinking outside the box, solving big problems and, you know, building wealth as well. I feel like being an entrepreneur, it's about serving as many people as I can. And in the process of serving people, the by-product of that is building wealth. And creating income. And so that allows me to have financial freedom. It allows me to grow my family, allows me to have a certain lifestyle, but it also allows me to give back more because I had that time to think and create better solutions for the world.
Speaker 2Definitely. Have you always had that entrepreneurial mindset or do you think that that's something that people can learn as they go?
Speaker 1Yeah, for me, to be honest, I feel like it's something that you learn on your journey and you have to really be hungry for it. You have to be seeking it. And so for me, when I was early on, I was like, I'm going to do this. When I was early on, like, yeah, I just liked being creative, drawing little pictures and, you know, doing, messing around online and stuff. But then as I started to get involved into business and listening to mentors, you know, different people, you know, my pastors, other people online on YouTube, you know, business gurus and marketing people. And once I started to listening to all these different people, I started to feed on different type of knowledge, right? Because what you feed on is what you become. So I started. Thinking about, you know, business, how to generate income, how to make passive income. How can I help people? How can I build a six figure business? How can I create content that's valuable for people? And so from listening to all these different materials, investing in courses and books, I feel like anyone can do that and anyone can learn to develop this mindset. And so it's available to everyone. You know, there's so much free information online. You can actually consume it and grow.
Speaker 2Yes, definitely. And I can totally relate. To that, because when I before I started freelancing, I had a nine to five job, but I was constantly like, what else can I do? What else can I do? Even though I was a graphic designer in that science and printing company and I was helping a lot of people, but it's just like, didn't feel like that's it. So I was like, how can I build a business to the side on the side? What else can I do? And then I started freelancing. Then I started growing that to, you know, the next level, opening an agency, even opening a coworking space. So like so many different things. And even now I have ideas. I'm like starting my skincare line. That's like, yes, let's do it exactly. So I feel like once you become like a freelancer or a business owner or entrepreneur, like it just makes you like, you have to have that entrepreneurial mindset. Like you have to, it is something that you can, you know, you can either like develop on your own or find the best parents instill it.
Speaker 1When you're a kid, you have parents that maybe own a business and they teach you their principles. Like I think that's, that's one reason. Why I want to do it. So I can teach my kids, you know, what I've learned and then they can do better than me.
Speaker 2You know? Yeah, definitely. I love that. So do you have any stories like maybe from earlier in your business where you weren't using an entrepreneurial mindset, like maybe, you know, like early on and like, what did that look like for you?
Speaker 1Yeah, for me early on, I feel like I was running along really with my parents point of view on the world. You know, like they would pressure me, go to uni, get a, get a job. Yeah. Work in an agency or whatever. And so I had that mindset of being a worker, right? Nine to five, just work, you know, work your way up the ranks, go to uni, get a, the certificate. And, um, I had that mindset early on. And so I did start freelancing slowly, slowly. I'm like, no, I can make more money. You know, I can do something more creative than just sitting down and working for an agency and doing what I'm told, you know? Cause I felt like I was a robot and like my opinions are not appreciated on my creative thinking. So early on it was, you know, I was like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And I eventually, you know, started freelancing a little bit, but a hundred percent, like, I used to just take whatever job I could get, you know, on the side just to make money. And I wasn't the best designer. I wouldn't know what I was doing. You know, I was just figuring it out as I was going, you know, I was just constantly trying to figure out what I was doing. And I was like, I'm going to do this. And then I was like, I'm going to do that. You know, I was just figuring it out as I was going, you know, I was just copying templates from online, like how to invoice clients or whatever it was. And so for me, I just experimented. I learned as I was going and, and yeah, I had to really break out of this like worker mentality and start thinking like, how can I be a business? How can I, you know, shift my mentality from just, I'm a small freelancer doing little logo jobs to, or I'm actually a strategic designer that helps businesses grow their brand and impact society. And so, yeah, it was a bit of a shift, but early on definitely went through that journey.
Speaker 2Yeah. And I, again, can relate to that because my parents, they never finished college. They didn't have like nine to five jobs or anything like that. Like my mom was a stay at home mom while my dad was a painter, like painting houses and whatever. And, and they had that, like, oh, you have to finish the college. You have to finish the college. But luckily, like I knew that I wanted to be a graphic designer. So I did finish the college for, you know, with a degree in graphic design, like the Academy of Arts. However, I am not sure that that actually helped me to be at the level where I am right now, because at college they don't teach you anything business related. They don't teach you anything freelancing or entrepreneurial. Like they don't teach you anything. They just teach you, oh, be creative. But they never tell you how to talk to clients, how much you should charge, how to even figure out how much to charge. You know, you don't have to give me the number, but tell me how, how, like what's the next step. So I feel like it was fine, but in those four years, I, I feel like you can put those four years maybe into a year and then give me, you know, more free time to actually, yeah, exactly. Okay. That's a great point. So I think that's a great point. I think that's a great point.
Speaker 1being positive you're not attracting you're not doing great work like you know you got to shift that mindset to abundance to no opportunities are coming my way open doors are opening for me my business is accelerating and growing so so having the right thoughts having the right words and then you put in the work by applying the actions based on how your mentality is thinking so i'd say that would be the first thing and so the second thing as well is like start positioning yourself as a agency or business owner so you know obviously you can brand yourself with your own name and whatever but you know have a website have a social media presence and start generating content you know that is actually valuable but make it so niche that you're focusing on a specific target specific industry so you can be seen as an expert in that field because if you just try and do everything and you and you be a master of nothing then it can be a bit confusing it can take a bit longer to get clients obviously experiment and stuff but i'd say yeah niche down position yourself as a business owner you know with your brands with your messaging with the way you communicate professionally through your dms through your emails you know on cause and yeah and start like getting on phone calls with people get sales you know and be confident and um i'd say that that's what i'll do to really build that mindset yeah and just to
Speaker 2go back to the law of attraction that you mentioned because i know a lot of people don't believe in that that oh if i'm positive i will get a high paying client well it's not just about thinking but that's where it all starts from because if you are focused on getting another like a logo client for 500 that's what you will get but if you're focused on getting that high paying client and getting like hitting the six figures then your actions will be different so you know it all starts from how we think and you know where we see our like next opportunity so yeah i just wanted to add that it's not just about like oh i'm so positive and then i'm gonna sit home
Speaker 1and do nothing yeah exactly you have to put in the work and that's the thing a lot of people they don't put enough action you know and they don't audit themselves like i feel like you gotta reflect like is my design look actually good am i actually doing the right things you know am i actually getting on cause with people or am i just like you know on youtube or facebook just mucking around like i that's the thing we have to switch our mindset to i'm i'm just a hobbyist or this is just a hobby to like no i'm a business owner i create solutions i'm going to build this brand that i have and create value for people yeah exactly and it's
Speaker 2not just about us making money even though it feels good but it's about like really helping people because then it comes back to us as well yeah that's it yeah so how does the designer's mindset affect their experiences with their clients now that we're already talking about clients and getting making money and all that so for example if a designer is confident versus if a designer is maybe nervous or not confident does that change how their business is going to look like and how they're going to change their business will operate how much they will charge and you know like how their freelance projects will go yeah i
Speaker 1really feel like if you have a strong mindset you'll get you know a lot of clients that will trust you more because you know you'll sound professional you'll be more trusting they'll be willing to work for you but if you're scared and nervous and i understand starting out can be scary you know freelancing or doing a business yeah you know when we're young you know all a bit shy we're just learning but you got to get a hold of yourself you got to get a hold of that like you got to mature you got to grow up you can't say a baby a child right so you know you just got to take action and do the thing and that's how you get better so your first call might suck but then the next one will be better the next one will be better you know and so having confidence even if you don't feel confident but just project that that expression that personality because that's how you develop as a person okay so having that confidence you'll be more willing to say a higher number instead of saying oh 500 you're gonna say hey this is actually gonna cost 5k and this is the value you're gonna get we're gonna help you solve your problems etc etc so it's like the confidence is gonna help you to you know ask for a higher price it's gonna help you talk more about business and not just about design but like strategy and business and how you can actually offer suggestions and ideas for the your clients and so definitely i feel like confidence is a big key and a lot of people will get imposter syndrome or they'll be scared and so we need to grow and we need to develop by taking that action and it's gonna completely change you like when i started getting more confident yeah like i just like it was so much better because i was just i knew what i was doing i was confident i can get the results because i did it with my previous client so each client i got better and so i'm gonna ask for more money i'm gonna offer more value i'm gonna offer more services etc so yeah
Speaker 2because basically you practice with each client how am i going to talk to them next and you know like i at some point i even like developed like a sales sales call formula that's how i call it or whatever yeah exactly so like i would have like four or five questions that would actually feel good every single time like you feel better and better every single time at a new client yeah at first like i remember when i wanted to ask it was like a long time ago i remember i wanted to ask like what is your budget for this project and i was like so what would you say approximately maybe possibly your budget it's like you don't know how to say that and i also remember when i wanted to ask like i don't know it was like ten thousand or twelve thousand for a certain project and then i would be like oh well it's ten thousand but to be also include and then you know website oh there's no confidence right versus now i'm like oh well it's ten thousand dollars this is what's included this is how long it takes and does that fit you know so easy you know it's not
Speaker 1so easy you know exactly like when i feel like the clients are more willing to just accept it straight away because it's like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like okay boom boom boom like you have the you know what you're doing you got it all laid out the process is set
Speaker 2you know yeah and i'm also not in um in that mindset where i'm like oh what if i lose a client because now i'm thinking if i lose that client i mean it's not even losing a potential client but whatever let's say if i'm losing that potential client that means i'll have more time to find a better
Speaker 1client correct sometimes you have to say no to good things to say yes to great things
Speaker 2exactly but i do also understand when you're at the beginning of your career so you're saying yes just because you have to you need the money
Speaker 1you need to go right exactly and that's fine that's totally cool we all do that and then eventually you gotta grow and yeah evolve yeah
Speaker 2exactly okay so i would love to hear your thoughts um how our mindset affects our rates and our pricing which we kind of just talked about now like so many freelance designers are you know i'm not a freelancer i'm not a freelancer you know i'm like under charging and part of this is a mindset issue it's not just that their services are not great i mean there are so many designers that are way better than i am but i still am able to charge more exactly so like what designers need to believe in order to charge more what will you say yeah so
Speaker 1you really need to have a good relationship with money you need to see money as a tool and not a bad evil thing you know it's it's money is a is a good thing it's it's for value of it it's a value of exchange you're exchanging value right and so you need to have a positive view on money you know money is a tool it's great don't see it as a bad thing if i ask for more don't think you're prideful or you're greedy it's not about that it's actually you know you're actually helping someone's business which can change their life right and so and you you put in hours and hours of work you know you you pay for subscriptions you pay for adobe you know you have to pay for your computer you got bills you might need a high as someone right and so all these you know costs start adding up and so you need to think you know beyond just or how many hours it's going to take you because hourly is is just it doesn't is not effective so it's like you know start seeing the whole value the holistic approach see that you know everything in your thinking your value the services you know production costs all that take into consideration and then also like make sure that like back to the like whole lack thing it's like don't be scared if it's like don't be desperate you know because when you come off as desperate or needy to a client they'll think oh you're just trying to coerce them or you're trying to manipulate them just to get the job and so you need to have that just relaxation and just be peaceful like it doesn't matter you know if that client says no or pushes back that's okay it's okay to negotiate you know what i mean but yeah just having that mindset you know think bigger picture and just say see how to number that you know each time just double it you know with a new client just double it and see what they say and if they say oh it's a bit out of my budget then you can craft a package a smaller package and so sometimes what you can do is do a tiered package approach where you do three tiers one being the the master brand package whatever that can be like ten thousand or five thousand whatever it is and then you have the middle package and then a smaller package with maybe less revisions less concepts and it's a bit more within the budget range so you're giving an option to them and so you're not putting too much pressure like you're just going to like to have to do the best package so yeah hopefully that answers your question but there's probably heaps of other methods
Speaker 2but yeah yeah yeah and so what would you say um like how can they improve that so let's say you know they don't have confidence to say that number but should they how do they practice if they don't have the you know if they don't have like that many leads like how would designers practice saying bigger numbers
Speaker 1that is a good question i'd say find someone that is a designer or a creative or someone who's an agency owner or something like that it could be a friend or family or whatever and do role play with them you know we've seen chris dodes this a lot role play i think that helps you do it even if you have a girlfriend or wife or whatever it is practice like let them listen to you and you know practice going through saying the number and just say it over and practice over and over again and i feel like that's one way of doing it another thing strategy you can implement is that you can offer free work or like a free strategy session or something or something with a client and so you can tell them like hey i'm just practicing this i'm learning and i want to run this with you and that's one way to just like you know if you're going to offer something new or do something you haven't done before that's one way of doing it with a real client so just say hey i'm offering this this part of the process for free because it's new and yeah i want to try it out with you i'll just appreciate it if you can just you know yeah spend the time and and um and give me feedback that's yeah yeah and so
Speaker 2here's my secret how i practiced in the past i would literally look through the screen or look at the screen and i would constantly like before the call before i have that that call with my client because most of the time now with potential clients we have calls over zoom i don't remember when was the last time that i had a call over a phone it's always over zoom because i just like try to to have that like human interaction where it feels like more personal and all that and so i remember practicing like literally just like looking at the screen and saying it's fifteen thousand dollars it's fifteen thousand dollars and i said that like so many times because before the call and then throughout the call i don't even think about it we talk about something and then when when i say it's fifteen thousand dollars i feel like i already said it like i i don't feel like it's totally different now when that person is there and i really try not to look it it does look like i'm looking at the client but i'm actually looking through the screen you know kind of like i'm like oh i don't know how to say this so which is like it's fifteen thousand dollars and then you just like stay quiet and then you see what happens after that you know i'm not going to explain what's
Speaker 1in it yeah exactly you know and so and like the reality is like really like recently i had a client message me they're like oh you know we loved your work we saw your world we wanted to get in touch with this logo and a website or whatever and then just a simple like landing page a simple logo and then i'll just talk like i was on the phone i'm like yeah hey it's on a b6000 and then he's like i'm like is that something that you can work with and then i waited he's like oh yeah and because he told me that they're a venture capitalist company so they're an investment company and so they they're like oh we've received 160 million in um you know revit like investment right and so i was like okay cool like and i just said a big number because you know he's like oh money's not an issue so i just said it in the end i followed up three times nothing came of it so he must have went with someone else cheaper or whatever or maybe i didn't communicate probably but i just want to tell people like no matter just because you know me and katie are at this level you know we still deal with clients like that sometimes where it doesn't go through that's fine but it was a learning experience and i just practiced that saying a high figure you know six it's going to be six grand even if it would just because just for a basic logo and a landing page so you just gotta just do it and trust me when you do it it's like oh that wasn't that bad that was pretty easy you know and so you can just keep going up from there because at the end of the day like you might think a million dollars is a lot but it's actually not like there's billionaires out there elon musk is like you know on his way to a trillion so it's like money it's it's it's just a tool exactly
Speaker 2and you just have to find the right people because there are so many like for example now that i specialize in you know branding mostly for skincare lines and you know self-care wellness products there are skincare lines who are going to pay me thousands and thousands of dollars for rebrand because they see the value but then there are also skincare brands who are just starting and they're like small family yeah exactly they're like husband and wife duo trying to start something and they have 5 000. so either i'm going to accept that client or not there are other designers and that's totally fine if that doesn't fit my schedule and you know my my timeline so that's totally fine yeah yeah
Speaker 1and i feel like um have that mindset of like i didn't lose the client or i'm in you know i did something wrong just see it as we weren't a right fit you know this we want to write for you there's probably someone better for them that's all so it's like you know don't see it as a negative take it as just like you know a positive experience and you
Speaker 2always learn something from just that one tiny conversation
Speaker 1100 all the time and
Speaker 2then you can create content based on that what you learned right yes and you say how and you create a title how i lost
Speaker 1five grand in one
Speaker 2day or something yeah yeah but it's not always easy to have that positive mindset what are your tips for when our mindsets like start to slip maybe when we feel uninspired or like nothing is working unmotivated you know when and and you know we start to go down like that path of thinking like negatively like how do we get back on track yeah so
Speaker 1for me i'd say like invest in yourself because self-development is so important you know what i mean so you know jim rohan says your level of income is a dependent on how on your your personal development like if you develop yourself like you'll always be at a higher level you know your values will increase so if you feel like you're lacking invest in a community or a that i have the same goal like they want to get to seven figures or six figures so you know their mindsets will be you know in the growth mindset space invest in a mentor or a coach i feel like sometimes that helps us get out of a rut or because they will inject positivity into you and faith and hope and that will help you want to take action so yeah for me like i would like investing yeah in a coaching program or people that i know that you know have a strong mindset and have a lot of faith and belief and are doing high you know doing things that are going to help you you know you're going to get there you're going to get there you're going to you know you're going to get there you know you're going to get there you're going to get there you know you're going to get there you know you're going to get there you know you're going to get there you know you're going to get there you know you're going to get there you know you're going to also it's good to take breaks you know sometimes it's okay to step back you know revitalize take a rest take a vacation we don't have to work all the time and sometimes that helps us reset our mindset and get clear-headed because sometimes i feel like we get stuck in the whole comparison or this design is growing so fast on social media or this guy just got a new client you know and i'm not getting anything so it's like shut off social media get out of that zone and take a break and yeah get connected to other not designers but get connected to other people business people and strong people yeah
Speaker 2and it's very important to mention that what you see on social media is just in in a way like positivity people don't post oh i don't have clients people post when they have clients they don't post like oh my client didn't accept this logo no they post my client accepted this logo so like we just have to remember that that it's not always that great and you know like for example a few days ago i didn't feel well or whatever or my daughter was sick and the day was a mess i didn't post that on social media but then the next day when we went for a happy hour i posted that on social media so you know so it's just like really important to know that and i love that you mentioned breaks that is kind of like my new maybe not like new but now already a couple of years instead of like looking for more and like searching for that inspiration like looking for a new thing on youtube that i can watch or new meditation or new something i'm like okay step back i'll be back in two hours nothing's gonna change in two hours and i should go to a pool take my pen and paper and like in case i need to write something but often i don't and it's just and then i come back after two hours and i'm like okay now i'm like it's like a reset you
Speaker 1know yeah 100 and i want to add to that like i think that's so cool i think for me as well like having the right diet and also getting sunlight getting energy and i think that's so cool exercise for me helps me so much and in the process of that i actually get ideas sometimes doing that but yeah like i eat a lot of like good healthy protein beef and like a lot of fruit um i try and stay away from processed foods because and like a lot of carbs because that just drains your energy and it's not good for your gut etc so yeah eating healthy and then exercising for like 30 minutes a day like whether you go to the gym or walk at the park or do calisthenics which is just like for free you know or chase a toddler yeah exactly like yeah i play the kids that's tired of it and i'm like okay i'm gonna go to the gym and i'm gonna go to the like my kids getting heavy as well like it's hard to carry but i'm doing those things help like so much and it's helped me get like keep my energy levels high as well
Speaker 2so yeah yeah definitely i do exercise not more than like 20 minutes a day but it does help like a lot yeah yeah and we also go very often for a walk i think that clears my mind as well yeah i
Speaker 1think it's a bit one of the best
Speaker 2ways yeah exactly yeah so what would you say that are top two three or five whatever mindset shifts that you think every freelance designer or entrepreneur needs to make so that they can be successful and maybe make more money in their business yeah
Speaker 1so yeah i'd say number one is you know don't have one income stream invest in multiple income streams you know so create leverage leverage income so income that doesn't require as much work you know some people call it passive income but it does take up work up front but build multiple income streams and one of the trifectas i love using is that you have client work products and teaching so even if you just have those three things that's three streams instead of just client work which is one you can have three so get out of that mindset of like oh i'm just trying to get clients but no like you can help beginner designers you can teach designers or you can teach business owners like what you know and so you can package it up in a course in a video in a webinar in an ebook you know anything like that and that's going to generate income so make sure you have multiple income streams it's going to help you grow and also like have the mindset of like believe in yourself like remember you have value to give you know every single person has a gift, has talents, has skills. Even if your work, you're still learning, that's fine. You still have value to give to someone else because that business owner might not be creative and you can offer that creative mind and ideas to them. So always remember, believe in yourself. Don't doubt. Don't have fear because doubting and fear and worry does nothing for you. Complaining does nothing for you. So why not just believe in yourself, take action, take a leap of faith, take a step forward and just produce results and learn as you go. Because at the end of the day, like we never really fail. It's always just learning, you know? And so have that winner's mentality. Don't see yourself as a loser. And so lastly, I'd say have a good positive self-image about yourself, have a high self-esteem. So get around people that talk you up, that uplift you, that want to make money, want to help people, want to grow their business. Because if you change your environment, it's going to have an effect on you. So if you're in a bad environment, you're going to have an effect on you. So if you're in a bad environment, position yourself in a new environment, get new friends. So then you can actually position yourself to constantly have a positive mindset about life, about business, about relationships, and just have that mindset that you're a winner. And so those three mindsets will really help you if you adopt them.
Speaker 2Yeah. And it's really important to connect with people who are on the same or similar level when it comes to mindset or people who are going to lift you up. And there's so many groups, either networking events that you can go for, you know, in person, not just like to get but to make friends because, you know, business owners, entrepreneurs, like we should all be friends. And then also there are so many like online groups that you can join, you know, like private communities. And there are many, you know, like more and more online communities coming, especially after COVID.
Speaker 1Oh, there's so many, you know, and I feel like, yeah, like as you said before, like that interaction with people, I feel like is very important. And like, yeah, find your tribe, find your people where you can get feedback, you can get help. And if you have to invest, even if it's not free, there's heaps of free groups, but like sometimes it's good to invest. So you get a high quality of relationships. But yeah, people are important, build relationships, and it's going to help you.
Speaker 2Yeah, definitely. Well, thank you so much for joining me today. Is there anything else that you would like to share mindset or anything else business entrepreneurial related?
Speaker 1I feel like I'll just finish off with this thought. I'd say like, at the end of the day, it all requires patience. You know, as Gary Vee says a lot, you know, we need patience. It's a long-term game. So don't feel like everything's going to happen overnight. You know, there's no such thing as overnight success. Like for me, I've been in the industry for 10 years now. And so it was a slog. It was a journey, you know, I made mistakes. And so take it easy on yourself, you know, have live, be joyful, you know, see every learning experience as an opportunity to learn and grow and just take risks. You know, you have one life, why not just use it to the best that you can. And yeah, just keep pushing. Don't give up. You know, discipline, perseverance and faith will carry you so far. But remember, yeah, have patience.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining me. And can you tell us where can our listeners connect with you online, like your website, social media and anywhere else you might be? I know we met on Instagram, but.
Speaker 1Yeah, I appreciate our friendship. Yeah, you can find me on Instagram @thejeremymurrah. I'm also on Twitter @thejeremymurrah. If you want to check me out on YouTube, just search up my name, Jeremy Murrah Design, and my website is jeremymurrah.com. You can find me on Skillshare and basically LinkedIn and everywhere else. So yeah, if you want to ask me any questions, happy to chat or if you want to learn something new, let me know and I'll send you a few resources. Appreciate it. Thanks so much.
Speaker 2Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you for joining us today on The Profitable Graphic Designer. In addition to this podcast, we have created some amazing online courses to help you set up your business, get more clients and scale to the income level you desire. If you need help developing your freelance portfolio so it stands out, if you want to learn how to create proposals new clients will say yes to, if you're still trying to figure out how much to charge for your services, and if becoming the go-to designer for your dream clients is your goal this year, then I invite you to enroll in my signature 12-week program, The Profitable Designer, or one of our other specialized online courses. To learn more about the programs and get started, visit aventiveacademy.com. See you next time.
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