#2498 - Brendan Schaub

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day hey what's up brother my man good to see you what's going on this is a good time for you to come in man right after this weekend holy shit brother bro for i mean everybody's talking about the sean strickland hamza fight and the debate but before we even talk about that bro how fucking good is joshua van and he's only been fighting about five years that's what's scary crazy five years crazy and he has some holes for sure that that certain guys are uh you know exposed but five think how he's not the best on the ground he's also 24 he's all 24 yeah crazy athlete but his fucking boxing it might be the best in the ufc it's up there it's him or ilia yeah well ilia it was pretty about ilia's ilia's one punch night night that's the difference it's tough at flyweight to be a knockout artist but then also josh davison figueredo true true he was starching people he was but with josh too again he's 24 but in tutsi or tyra he also just was blocking punches with his face well that's the other thing like his defense was so bad i think he was that joshua van's offense was so good you know what i think it's a combo of both yeah it's a combo yeah yeah for sure because tyra is primarily a grappler i mean he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter and he he did strike i mean that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water he did strike pretty well it's just the counters came so clean so sharp like i re-watched some of it today and i was like good lord that's pretty so good he looks so good and again 24 and you know it took all the stink off of the way he won the title yeah but the and not not me i'm sure not you but there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered oh for sure pantoja's a motherfucker pantoja and look at that you're like okay how would he do against pantoja hey man but again his stock went up after this fight i'll tell you that look it was oh it was always up right but tyra was a real threat tyra got him on the ground wasn't able to submit him joshua van pieced him up on the feet man but again at 24 so let's say the pantoja rematch whatever q4 and let's say pantoja gets that win all good he's 24 right he's gonna be your champ for a very long time and how long how old is alessandro pantoja at this point not young in flyweight years he's 67 yeah flyweight stop 36 36 yeah that's tough yeah that's tough if he was a middleweight you'd be like that's the beginning of the slide right that's the beginning yeah but at flyweight oh bro it's crazy yeah heavyweight is like oh he's in his prime oh we're cooking it look at francis yeah francis is like 38 or something yeah yeah 38 yeah francis is in his fucking prime flyweight nobody looks at francis it goes eyes over the hill oh never not at all no there's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing especially now the heavyweight divisions how old volkov 59 honestly i used to train with volkov as old as back in the day champion m1 champion he was a bellator champion in the early days of bellator yeah and remember he had in bellator and when he first got the ufc he had that moana tattoo on his back and he changed it into that japanese mask yeah i like this the new one looks dope the new one looks so dope i like to think i'm the one that kind of bullied him into doing that because i it's all i ever talked about for like six years when he fought and he comes out with just this dope ass samurai tattoo i'm like yeah there well sometimes you realize like this ain't making it i gotta fix this yeah especially that people like bro why do you have a fucking stingray on your back bro speaking of tattoos how many tattoos does sean brady have that motherfucker's feet are tattooed bro like his entire body's tattoo how good did he look phenomenal this thing my phenomenal i always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights and i mma's tough dude mma's tough to fucking pick yeah so uh with the joaquin buckley fight the reason i i told my brother i'm like literally put your mortgage on sean brady because joaquin buckley did an interview like a week before i was like i'm not working on grappling i'm not wrestling or grappling i'm just gonna keep this thing standing knock this motherfucker out i was like oh buddy no way he really said that yeah you can find it out there but that could have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get sean brady because sean brady probably saw that interview too yeah and was like cool say less and just i know but i mean 10 seven rounds three of them i know it was nuts but i mean you could say that i get i hear you if you were just playing mental games i get you but maybe he actually did that and it appeared so it well hard to say because that's how good sean brady is hard to say it's just tough when you lose like that because you go back to the you go back to the locker room you're like fuck we're not even in the same ballpark no like i'm what am i gonna do you look at your coach's staff you go what are we gonna do i thought i was a top five guy right i just got 10 six three three rounds in a row okay i was gonna bring this up so i i have some insight to this so there was a very strange betting behavior um it says it turns out to be meaningless bet online cited abnormal betting patterns as buckley moved uh from plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight so this is what happened um there was money that moved very quickly before the fight and uh the ufc obviously because they've been through this shit with the bts and the fbi investigated it they got concerned and so um i believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online so you couldn't bet big money anymore i don't know what the let's find out what the cap they put on it was um but then you um they they were going to go ahead with the fight but they wanted to make sure that sean brady wasn't injured so this was the fear the fear was that some inside camp word got out sean brady's got an injury and then all the money jumps up because that a lot of people don't believe it because they don't believe it they don't believe it they don't believe it they don't believe it they don't believe it a lot of times that's what happened but they they did it right because i before they would just cancel the fight like we don't know what's going on machine cancel fight no just take the fight off the betting sites well they only did that one time they did that one time with the alexander hernandez i don't remember who he's fighting i don't remember who alexander hernandez was fighting but they did that with that fight and i thought that was really crazy crazy they asked alexander like are you okay he's like i'm fine like i am planning on winning this fight but for some reason he became an underdog like nothing came out from it either no like i wish they'd be a little more transparent like hey we look into it it's our bat this you know but they just cancel the fight and so everyone now we just assume something happened something happened somebody's being dirty yeah but then hernandez fought again and lost his next fight um who did he fight he fought someone on a fight night it was a very good fight very close fight the dude was very good but i'm glad they're not just pulling the fight oh michael johnson it was supposed to be michael johnson yeah but they didn't have that fight and then who did he fight next instead so let's just go over this real quick before we figure out who he fought amid suspicious betting movement so what what is suspicious betting movement like what if you and your boys all go it i'm going all in and you just decide to bet a hundred thousand dollars on buckley will that change it that dramatically i don't i think we're talking according to this i think it's that they had certain they have i don't know i don't know i don't know i think they have uh certain accounts that they knew oh we're shady yeah not shady but i mean they might be particular whales or whatever that are certain bettors that always were betting you know two hundred thousand dollars a fight or whatever and maybe one or two of them changed two of the judges scored that fight trying to see 20 25 abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts interesting highly monitored accounts is interesting bro you better get a new account they're on to you but they also said that they called sean brady here at the bottom i was gonna point out so someone called him to let him know and he's like well i'm fine i love it he goes i'm gonna beat the out of this guy what are you talking about like yeah you're good to go i think that's what alexander hernandez said too that's a bummer yeah it is a bummer but you can also understand you can also understand from the ufc standpoint being like because when it happened especially then they're like whoa whoa whoa oh yeah no they're in a bad spot right now with that because until that gets resolved the look the fight game has always been connected to shady people always that's the marlon brando movie on the waterfront i could have been a contender yeah you know yeah it's that's who he lost too oh that's right hafa garcia very good fight very good fight hafa did a phenomenal job this show is presented by draftkings think draftkings isn't available in your state think again the cage is set and draftkings keeps the full card at your fingertips in one sports app live in all 50 states download the draftkings sports app and use the code rogan new customers can spend five and get 200 in bonuses within 21 days that's code rogan spend five get 200 in bonuses in partnership with draftkings the crown is yours gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER 1-800-MY-RESET connecticut called 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org on behalf of boot casino in kansas bet tax pass through may apply in illinois 21 and over void in canada event contract trading with draftkings 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It has all the features that you need to create a standout website, like an AI-enhanced website builder, SEO optimization tools, and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links. Head to Squarespace.com slash ROGAN for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the offer code ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. But I think, too, back to the betting, I think that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters are getting so much hate. Because if you, you know, you have a 9 to 5 and you make $1,000 a week and you put 500 on, say, Hamzat, and he loses that 500, that's why it's so toxic now. Because, yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money. So I think that's why fighters are getting so much more hate these days than they did even when I was fighting. Betting wasn't a big thing. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Rafa? Why am I saying it wrong? I feel like it's Rafa. I think so, too. I think I want Brazilian on me. I get it. Yeah, you made a real good point about the betting because that's why people are getting so upset because they are betting money on it. It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want. And now it's like a polymarket and all these different things. You could bet on, you know, fucking anything. Anything. Anything. Anything. Anything. How about that fucking soldier that got busted? Tight move. He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped. Dude, if you don't. But my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting on his team to win. Right. This dude was betting on his fucking team to win. Right. Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a part in your goddamn mind. Well, I don't. That guy's awesome. That's a weird one. That's a weird one. But I mean, why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked. Oh, my God. Like that. Bro. That's crazy. Like, if you get mad at that, people, what a hypocrite. You're also dealing with a special forces guy who it's not like they're compensated that great. Right. And he was like, oh, I'm going to bet the house that we fucking get this idiot. Right. And by the way, he's betting on himself because it didn't have to happen. That's what I'm saying. It didn't have to work. They could have all got killed. It's like Pete Rose, too. It's like keep him in the Hall of Fame. I think they're going to let him in now that he died. But. Oh, great. Yeah, cool. That helps. Thank you. But it's also like he never bet against his team. It's pretty gangster. I don't know if that's true. I'm pretty sure. I don't know. Jamie, look that shit up. I read something online. Really? He might have bet against his team at least on one game. I don't know if that's true, though. I'm rooting for Pete Rose. But I just read something. I mean, there might have been a Pete Rose hater. That's what I thought. That's what I heard. It's good. I mean, if he only bet for his team, I feel like that should be legal. That's like this special forces guy. What? You're trying to win harder? Yeah. Yeah. Because you want money? Yeah. That would be good. That special forces guy. Like, dude, you're really into this. Yeah. He's like, fuck yeah, dude. I got a million bucks right on this. No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team. There you go. The Cincinnati Reds, though there's some speculation. All official speculation. I must have read speculation. I mean, what the fuck? You say, personally, Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point, John Dowd said. Even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. So, I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter. I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player. Why not? Why not? You're just betting to win. Now, betting to lose. Different story. Different story. But, so, if you're just saying, is that because you can't tell them how to bet? Like, if you're going to let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want? Like, man, I don't know if I'm going to win this fight. Man, I'm not going to win this fight. I'm going to try. I'm going to try, but I think I might lose. So, let me just see if I can make a little extra money just in case I lose. So, I try my hardest. I lost, but. Still made some money. Made some money. Yeah, that's good. It just opens a can of worms you don't want to deal with. Well, like, nobody's bet. Right, because then, what if you won? You're like, I won, yeah, but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself like an idiot. Yeah, you're an idiot. Right? You made no money this fight. You have to be a fucking psycho to try to win. It's going to cost you money. Like, your whole camp, paying your fucking trainers, your manager, everything. Dude, fucking nightmare. What's like the Hamzat-Strickland fight? You and I, right when that fight got announced, we texted each other and I went, good fight. Good fight. I know everyone's going to, you know, Hamzat's a big favorite, but we both went, I don't know, man. I can see it. Yeah, I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man, and he knows how to survive. He can survive. And the thing about Hamzat is, if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not expand a lot of energy like he did with Drekus. That's an issue. You can't do that with Sean. Sean is not going to sit still. He's very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grappling. Super underrated. You know, we saw he almost threw Hamzat, like, later in the fight, you know, and he did wind up on top multiple times. Like, it's, he ain't easy for anybody. Far from it. And he had a blown out shot. On the shoulder. Boom. That's the other thing. Everyone's like, well, you know, Hamzat was compromised because the weight cut. It's like, well, hold on. Sean had one arm. Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamzat. No one wants to talk about that. The most significant punch was in the second round. Yeah. He flash knocks out Hamzat. And Hamzat's like, oh, shit. And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain. And still defended it. I noticed he was doing this at the beginning of the fight. Before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm. So he's warming up. He's doing this. But he kept doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's what I do if my shoulder's hurt to see how hurt it is. Yep. How does it feel? How does it feel the range? Yeah. How does it feel? And he was only going to here. He was only going to here. He kept doing it. But deadpan killer look on his face. That motherfucker still won. Yeah. Still won. Here's my thing about it. Still fought. A lot of guys would have pulled out. Couldn't agree more. A lot of guys would have said, I can't use my arm. I'm pulling out. Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland, too, now that he won, people are like, oh, is he a Hall of Famer? 1000%. 100%. He's a Hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland, too, it's like, he's going to be a bigger star now more than ever. I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger. The thing about Strickland is he's the guy that's not supposed to be here. Like, everyone, when we talk about, you know, Chechnyans or Dagestanians or wherever these war-torn countries are from, and they're like, this is the only way they made it out. Dude, Strickland grew up a poor white kid in America. Disenfranchised. Dude had an abusive father. God's are so against Strickland. So against Strickland. And this motherfucker beat, arguably, the best striker in the weight division of all time in Izzy Adesanya. Beat him at striking, at fucking striking in Australia, and then they give him, arguably, the best grappler of all time in the weight division, and he beats him. So he, we're, all of you listening, all you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who tries. Trains his ass off. He's a blue-collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 4-4. He doesn't have a 40-inch vertical. He's got one bad leg. From a motorcycle accident. He's almost ruined his whole career. Dude, I get chills talking about him. Dude, he's the guy, he's that blue-collar guy through hard fucking work, is a Hall of Famer, bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the greatest middleweights of all time. And was under, in all his fights, he's an underdog. Fluffy, underdog. DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight. But Hamza, massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog. Second fight with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up, too. Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. Crazy. Crazy, dude. Crashed his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told him he had a fight. So he had to take the fight. So he had to take the fight with a fucked-up shoulder. And one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in this fight, I notice they were awkward sometimes. Yes. Sometimes they just looked weird. Like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something. He was compromised. Yes, 100%. And I saw some of that in the second, Strickland, the second DDP fight. you know where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird you know which sometimes he does anyway because he goes around the guard it's awkward it's strategic yeah he's throwing shit that you're not going to block correctly and then he's going to land you clean shots but when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him like he had this giant break because he punched somebody and some fucking low-level promotion oh that's right so they gave him like eight months suspension something like that six months suspension whatever it was um so you see him against hernandez when he's perfect and he looks fucking phenomenal his striking look phenomenal everything looked phenomenal and i'm like oh god he looks like a better version of the guy who beat izzy he looked better best we've ever seen and then he beats hamza with one shoulder you this episode is brought to you by ketone iq i don't care who you are 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read anything by the way i really read the headlines and then i move on you'll be careful with journalists i'll listen to former fighters it's in this or people have been around the game a long long time if you have hamsa winning yeah okay nobody was raw but i can give you a pretty good argument why strickland won that fight yes you know i can give you a damn good argument it was like i was talking to him inside the octagon before the fight said what do you think and i said it was really close it was really close because you really never know with judging you know we've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge so you don't know so you know in my opinion i would have to go over and watch it again because when i call fights i'm just calling it's tough i'm not really scoring them super tough it's weird because like what you're trying to do is make some entertainment out of moments and put some weight to it and express maybe to people that don't know exactly what's going on listening to your other exactly partners in the booth right well dc's great at that dc is the best at explaining shit to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to like wrestling in particular because he's such a elite wrestler and there was a lot that was a lot of wrestling moments in that so like that's what you're doing so you're not really judging the fight if you're judging you'd be silent like eddie bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the ufc in the early days and what eddie would do was he would write he would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy and then he would have categories strikes land kicks landed punches landed take down submission attempts he would he would mark all these different things like every time something would happen he would mark it down and then he would also go by who landed the most damage and he was really good at it like he was very accurate in terms of like i agreed with him i was like that makes sense but if your intention is to score the fight like you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating i can do that it's like i do commentate for a game bread and there's a fight fight of the night and jimmy smith is going who do you think won i said dude this isn't the time to ask because i was entertained by the fight we're doing our thing right right right i'll go home and watch i'll let you know exactly who won right it's such a close fight i don't know dude especially wars especially a crazy war it's so hard to figure out who won some some wars like like let's you know think of like what if tyra and um joshua van had made it to the end that's a tough one that's a tough one i mean joshua van definitely did more damage 100 which is number one thing they are supposed to right judge it so i would judge that in favor like we had a conversation about the gomez fight uh who was gomez fighting um uh pat sabatini so pat sabatini was fighting gomez and all pat sabatini did was clinch him and try to take him down took it down a couple times but when they were standing up gomez pat landed a few strikes definitely it wasn't like he was completely outclassed in the feet but gomez landed more so i'm like okay i know pat spent the majority of the fight in control the majority of fight clinching the majority of fight working towards the takedown but but it was unsuccessful for the most part gomez bounced back up to his feet every time never took any damage on the ground never got close to being submitted and then he was like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know and then when they stood up gomez was the one who was going after him landing strikes i don't know if it was enough to win though because it's like there wasn't a lot of damage it wasn't like he hit pat and pat got rocked and pat went down and there was none of that but gomez was doing better in the stand-up which when it comes to damage that was the only damage of the fight but but the other thing you got to take into consideration it's like i love dc's one of my favorites but dc has an extensive wrestling background so he's usually gonna not that he means to but because he has such an extensive wrestling background uh if you listen kamara usman henry suhudo most of them will score that fight for hamza because of the wrestling involved but if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background it's more of a striking background most of them score it for strickland so you always gotta i take it with a little bit of grain of salt when those guys heavy wrestlers if there's wrestling but they weren't successful like takedowns were successful they're like that's a takedown like but he didn't do shit with it though man there's also the strickland fact that he didn't do shit with it there's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way boom and they don't want him to win because the wild shit that he says off stage listen sometimes he goes too far he said he went too far he apologized for going too far but god damn did he sell some tickets i like what you said they said don't apologize you're selling a fight yeah that's my thing too it's like whoa no no don't apologize don't apologize for any of that because on monday i was so excited to get in studio i was so excited i felt like for first time in a long time the ufc's back i felt back man it's like you really think the ufc has gone away no no no i'm not saying that don't get to it i'm saying as far as like uh conor khabib like bad blood big time couldn't wait right like i dude i was count i was tech day before i'm taking i can't fucking wait it was like i was so hyped for this fucking fight dude yeah it just felt like you know there's there's conor day khabib days those those are over but this one the magnitude of it and i usually can tell when the fights can be really big because i'm always at baseball fields and football fields and dads will come like dude do you think strickland has a chance i'm like you watch fighting like oh shit i was like this can be huge dude this can be fucking big dude it was huge and it was huge because of the way sean sold it 100 not just that sean has a ton of fans for sure you know but it was the way he sold it the chaos people love it they love that and especially casuals they love the chaos i love it too i love it fun he makes things fun makes things fun and then people get so mad you know some stuff he says but it's like there's a lane for that hate to tell you there's a lane for that and i i think strickland you've been around strickland he's a good person yes he has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that which is fine but remember too people go ufc doesn't have stars and then you get a kid like strickland who's building his name and he's like i don't know what to do with that i don't know it's gonna be the most watched fight one of the third most watched waynes of all time so he's trying to be a star so you guys are complaining there's no stars and then when he's doing the damn thing you guys are hating on him you know so it's like pick pick your poison well they're hating by the way he's doing it right that he's making things super personal and but this is what connor did i mean that's what connor did with khabib connor crossed the line many times with oh buddy the lines here connor was all the way over and there was no apologizing after that i mean that was the brawl afterwards where khabib you know jumped in the crowd and fucked up dilly that was my favorite that's my favorite picture of all time i need it framed in my fucking suit when khabib's literally flying off the fucking cage about the fucking but remember before that fight in the fight khabib was all professional he was all good as soon as that motherfucker ended he's like yeah now it's time to get to work yeah dude that is a crazy motherfucking world world champion just got done stopping conor mcgregor and he's leaping into the fucking crowd just like his nickname and super he's the eagle yeah the eagle his talons are fucking out for this i mean you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dude you know how dan henderson has that flying punch that he landed on when he was down that's like his logo that should be khabib's logo 100 with like wings on it like a flying eagle fucking animal dude that was god i love that guy i love him oh we you know we appreciate him while he's here but maybe not enough but but with with hamsat too i also think a couple couple of factors that went against him uh Saturday night he's been in big fights but he hasn't been in this big of a fight defending the middleweight title you have this wild boy talking so much shit so I just I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level and then also Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue because remember when I went to his camp I called you I'm like bro I've never seen someone so fucking I'm talking vicious fucking everybody up destroying him I was like oh my god so there's an issue with him and I don't know what it is where that's not translating inside the octagon well I can tell you right now first of all first part of the issue is the weight cut yes 100% dude he cut 22 kilos listen to me they he got 40 something pounds they were making it so that he was going to fight Yuri Prohaski at 205 right so he starts bulking up and he's eating like a fucking animal and he's dead lifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit he said he was 230 I think he was above that yeah yeah he was somewhere north of 230 and so then he's 230 whatever and so then he's got to drop down to 85 which is bananas that's so hard to do he never got fat so what happens well your muscle gets eaten away yeah your body deteriorates you can't recover and he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut I heard it was horrible did you hear his brother today was like yes yes we thought his body was going to shut down yeah so they took an hour off weight cutting and then they went back and he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point which is what is that was that like five pounds no no I mean two pounds two and a half pounds right two and a half what is it's 2.2 okay so somewhere around he was 230 that's a lot though if you're already dying you gotta lose two pounds of water oh it's a nightmare 216 ounce bottles of water when he was let's say 230 or maybe 235 how many weeks out was that do we know I don't know because because when Strickland beat fluffy they were like hey forget this year he fight you're fighting at 85 it's a few months it's a few months but you know when you have muscle and not fat it is a problem it's a real problem it's not the same problem so if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights like Strickland there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly yeah he's heavy and he makes fun of himself he's like that's different to lose you can lose that you can lose that that's not a problem to lose when you're bulked up your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time so your body's using those muscles all the time so if you want those muscles to shrink they literally have to eat themselves yeah so you have to fucking starve yourself or you do a radical dehydration which brings you to the brink of death that's what and it seems like that's what he did probably a factor but my thing is I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know it's a giant factor dude it's a factor for sure there there's also a factor but it's not like in the DDP fight in these other fights not like he's going in there tenacious finishing guys well the DDP fight was uh just him in control it was just him grappling him in control and no attempt to finish that's my issue with him true he just wanted to secure the win I think it's here what could be it could be and that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's so durable and has such great cardio and can you imagine if you're in a fight and you're can take the fight into deep, deep waters and always does. He's always going after you in the final round. Like the final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy, come on, let's fucking go. He gets better as the fight goes on. Yeah, and Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round. Part of that because of the beating that he took in the first. Correct. He got super close to stopped, probably concussed in the first. I mean, that fucking straight punch that he landed, where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many fucking left hands in a row? 15, 20 left hands in a row? I mean, let's count them. Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy. He just bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed. You're compromised. Probably you have a concussion. Yes. Just by the way he went down, his head spun around. It was a right hand, right? Wasn't it a right hand? It was a right hand, yeah. Picture perfect right hand. Wow, wow, wow. Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect. And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand. And then blast him with all those punches in the clinch. You're gone after that. You're a shell of yourself. You're gone. I think my thing with Hamza, too, is after, again, you could chalk it up to the weight cut, that second round, when he doesn't land that takedown and falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked. Dude, I think his body was shutting down and he realized that he went real hard in the first round, but doesn't have the gas tank. He said, let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm going to try to finish this guy. It might have been a strategy. And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round. Right, because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big deal. Like, he tries for a takedown, can't get it. He realized, like, oh, Jesus, I'm not going to be able to fight standing up like this for five minutes after that first round because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago, it is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport where we allow these people, we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way. You pretend, oh, it's a 185-pound fight. The fuck it is. Yeah, both those boys are over 200. 100%. And Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him. Strickland's a big boy. Strickland, that night in the cage, is a bigger dude. Well, he definitely looked healthier, right? And I think part of that, you could attribute to the fact that Hamzat is killing himself. Well, what Hamzat say to Dana as soon as he jumped out of the cage, he goes, I'm done fighting now. I'm going to 205. But apparently now, all he's talking about is a rematch. It's back on. It's back on. So what he's got to do is he has got to limit his calorie intake, and he's got to literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that. So you would have to talk to someone who's an expert at that, but my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is he gets himself down to like 160 pounds. And the way he does it is he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way. And he looks terrible when he does that. He looks so tired all the time. But it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight. But that is slow running for days. Correct. That's a different thing. We can't do that. Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy to do that. You have to be a healthy person. You can't just be big, right? And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's really what's going on. And we think these, oh, these guys can recover. But how much do they recover? Well, they fucking for sure don't recover 100%. Not 100%. Not 100%. That's why I'm excited for him at 205. Like a lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them. Like if the weight is an issue at 205, if he's 100% Hamza, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100% Hamza could be a lot better than the 70%. That's great. Strickland ain't going to do it. He's going to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time. Oh, 100%. He's going to talk mad shit. It'll be fun. He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm. It's going to get crazy. You got to fight him at middleweight, but he's got to go to some expert in losing weight. Oh, no. I'm not saying Strickland Hamza at 205. No, no. Oh, that's what I thought you were saying. No, no. Strickland's going to stay at fucking 85 and dominate. This episode is brought to you by Visible. As fall hits, we enter another season of change. Time to shift gears. 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Or to your. your point he has to maintain a weight that's realistic we can still perform but he has to figure that out he's got to stop lifting weights right so whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever whatever he was we're guessing right that's what i'd heard that he was north of 230 whatever he was doing he's got to not do that and he's got to do mad cardio just just cardio like working out like wrestling hitting a bag hitting pads and cardio i'm a big uh proponent of do do your sport get your cardio from your sport like i see it across the board like i get a little a little hesitant when i saw all these videos of hamzat you know hitting the the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs like yeah but i'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top level guys and fucking get after it dude because what's strickland do do you see strickland doing all this heart rate monitor no no why is why is this card is so good because he fucking spars like a madman all the time so the strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon there's no issues meanwhile you got these guys you know run their hill sprints and do it i'd rather you get your cardio in uh in your actual sport i see it at the the lower level too uh with with kids i coach football baseball these dads like i don't get it man i'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week can't catch football i'm like because because they're we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder who can do it the fastest we're catching footballs dude do you think there's balls if you want to get better at football a hundred percent but do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose yes but not not close to the fight interesting because usually what we would do is out like uh let's say you do have a week camp before the camp starts we're doing a lot of that stuff and then once we get a camp where the focus was the cardio was getting it in in your training um you know who agrees with you aljamain sterling aljamain talked about this pretty good pretty good how good did he look against alal dude best back control in the game so i and i don't why is he so underrated i don't get it why he doesn't get his loss pure yawn it's fucking crazy it's the win the victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot people hated on him from then on out i think i'll get even against evil i know he's amazing that was a fucking split decision some people thought he won yeah yeah he could have easily won that motherfucker so good yeah aljamain's the man yes um but i don't think he's going to win i don't think he's going to win but he said that marab does the same thing now who the fuck has better cardio than marab i would say nobody nobody alive ever in any sport i've ever seen maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever's four minute mile or something but as far as what yeah but he ain't getting taken down exactly punched in the face people should just go to marab's camp like what are you doing he's like i'm wrestling i'm fucking wrestling he does run he does run and he does lift some weights every now and then but he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff and one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was cub swanson i shouldn't say spoke out against it but what he did say was that when he did that because he did some of the training lab stuff he said he was too broken down he said he was over trained and he said he was just too tired when he was going into like fight camp yeah like it's tough to recover you're doing all the other stuff too you're you're still boxing you're still kickboxing i have to you're still wrestling and he said he did badly in those fights which is interesting because you know the marv marinovich approach was very different with bj penn and that was the best bj penn ever the best bj penn ever but they literally did no fight training what they did is all plyometrics and it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff's doing because the training lab stuff he's doing bicycle work and all this different because that's what sam calavita came from came from a cycling background what marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine he's like bj yeah you already know how to fight fact you're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks right fact but what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank and one of the things that always fucked bj up earlier in his career is that he wasn't when he was training himself or when he had you know wasn't him and his brother yeah it wasn't the most different things yeah he was phenomenally talented and freak freak and one of the things won the world the mundials at three years in to jujitsu as a black belt like nobody does it's a black belt it's a black belt it's a black belt that's why he's almost a bad example you know what i'm saying it's like yeah right but what he the problem with really talented people and i'm sure you'd probably agree with me they tend to not work as hard yeah right like sean although he's a world champion he's not a guy where you see like oh my god he is so talented like what he does is like no one can move that way no one can do what he does like you know there's certain guys that are like that stuff is hard work hard work so the guys that are super talented it comes a little easier for them to do it for them and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up they're not used to getting pressed so when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners over and you're exhausted and when you're doing that hell they don't like that no so some guys avoid that shit they just want to be tuning guys up spot on yeah and so those guys when they're fighting a george saint pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level they might fade yep because that guy got there and it threw a different path i mean george although he's a phenomenal athlete one of the best wrestlers in mma ever and didn't even come from a wrestling background i mean george one of the all-time greats there's not like one thing that george would do that would make you think like that guy is a freak athlete there's never been anybody like him like that no far from it to your point far from because i trained with george forever and when we did they would have to do some stuff like i did in the nfl like sprints and verticals and stuff like that and i was like okay i'm going to do this and i'm going to do this and i'm going to do this and i'm going to do this and the agility drills like nothing nothing crazy no but bj was bj was crazy bj's crazy bj could do stuff where you're like how the fuck can you do that bj bj could jump out of a pool and and land easy you know um bj couldn't he has insane flexibility like the way he moves his legs his balance is nuts there's a video of someone trying to take him down and they have a single and they are driving across the cage and he's on one leg hopping and he's on one leg and he's on with zero fear of being taken down like but to your point like bj's that talented john's another one yep where it's like right right exact exact perfect they're so fucking talented so fucking talented and then the difference being like john always figured out a way to win and john if he had a bad camp for one fight he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody yeah right like the gustafson fight first fights with gustafson he doesn't train at all i talked to craig jackson he's like he barely showed up at all barely showed up in the gym and then has a five round fight war and pulls it out in the final two rounds it's crazy crazy gets taken down for the first time we see him get taken down by gustafson like oh my god gustafson might be the man and john pulls it out so the second fight comes around and john trains hard and john fucks him up i mean fucks him up in a way like this is what would have happened if i tried yeah if i prepared the way you prepared this is how it goes you get a fucking beating you know and this is the dance of like who's the greatest of all time and that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that john is the greatest of all time because john was all those things super talented and when push came to shove and he had to get back and into work and get he would do it he would do it and he would pull it off against dc he would pull it off the steep a fight was i think that was not steep a that was no that's when you like when you talk about his resume like all right you know steep a is the steep a that you know ran through the heavyweight division the steep a that knocked out alistair overeem that beat fabricio verdun for the title beat francis when francis was just crushing everybody and i think that took a lot out of his chin that francis fight i really changed them forever because dc knocked them out right after that and you know wasn't the biggest punch in the world no it was a big punch but i mean he had taken bombs from francis yeah back to john being the greatest of all time it's like when you look at his resume it's just like it's phenomenal phenomenal youngest ever ufc champion crazy but as far as like uh then josh barnett did josh barnett win it earlier no i think john's the youngest john's the youngest and josh barnett was the youngest joshua van second now and those boys were well it didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids that is crazy it's like when wwe you guys get busted you're like oh come on like bitch you ain't testing everybody you just don't like josh the way to get him out i love josh it's a way to get him out but back to john it's like you look at his resume grace to ever do it yeah beat the very best in murderers row murderers row yeah now you know it's not not even comparable to today's you don't think so no well listen close when alex especially at heavyweight when alex was the light heavyweight champion it's certainly comparable alex is light heavyweight champion the alex that beat magomed off the alex that knocked out yuri prohaska the alex that starches everybody that fucked up jamal hill like that alex perera and john jones in his prime would have been insane that would have been insane oh man tough to beat the wrestling of john like john's wrestling was on a totally different level his reach his iq - The wrestling would be tough, Ralph. What did he do to Cheryl Gone? Crazy. I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like a book. Bullied him. Bullied him. Got all of his neck and like, I'll take that. Dude, if you go back and look at John, my fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division, 1 through fucking 15, good luck. That's true. Especially heavyweight. True. Good fucking luck. But at light heavyweight, okay, so. Not a lot of those guys are ranked in the top 10. How do you think Yuri, well, let's think of Alex. How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafsson? Very tough fight for him. You think so? Yes. Gustafsson in his prime? Yeah. You think so? Yeah. And do you think that based on the Teixeira fight? Because he pieced up Glover. Remember that fight? Yeah. Bro, that was a video game combination. Brother. He knocked out Teixeira. Alex is one of those guys, similar to DC, that when John just reigned as champ, it's like if Alex was just born at a different time, maybe five years before, five years after, he's our John Jones. He was so fucking talented, huge, 6'6", 6'7", great wrestling, great world-class boxing, good at everything, dude. Great card in the division with the GOAT. You're fucked. Yeah, you're fucked. Your mom and dad decided to have sex same time John and his parents did, and you're fucked. Look at what happened with Ilya Teporia. Think about the guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway. Think about Charles Oliveira. Think about Alexander Volkanovsky. And he has blasted all of them into orbit. All three of them. First guy ever to stop Max. It's like, if you're in that guy's division, what are you going to do? Especially at 45. I don't know what it's going to be like at 55. Obviously, the Oliveira fight was a one-punch knockout. That was such a bad knockout. Crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger. Justin, big cat. He's quite a bit bigger. That's a tough fight. It's a different fight than Oliveira. It's different. But fuck, then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max. You're like, good lord. Oliveira's a fucking beast, man. He looked phenomenal. And he couldn't do none of that to Ilya. Yeah, the only thing with all that is the 55 division, no one's in the prime. Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good. But not prime prime. And the issue is Ilya's just getting to his prime. Just getting to his prime. He's getting to his prime. Surging. And already one of the greatest of all time. He's a fucking problem. Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so completely focused and dialed in. Great at everything. Great at everything. Great at everything. And the crazy thing is didn't even start as a striker. Crazy. Started as a grappler. Crazy. Now, his toughest matchup is Armin Sorokin. That's the motherfucking fight. 100%. Oh, but that's what I was going to say. With Hamzat, he's not active. I know I'm jumping around a little bit. But with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that octagon, weight cut 100%. Clearly, there seems to be a mental block when it comes to finishing fights because we're about gassing out. RAF, take a page out of fucking Sorokin's book. Just wrestle all the. Sorokin, I think he's wrestled like eight times this fucking year. I know. Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. He makes six figures every time he fucks somebody up. But he's active. He's staying active, staying in shape. Competing. Yeah. Yeah. If he's going, yeah, go ahead and do it. So for Hamzat, dude, because he fights once a fucking year, which is not good, dude. Right. So it's like, stay active over there. Stay active like Armin Sorokin's doing. Keep your weight down. Yeah. I don't know if he's interested in doing that. He signed with him. Yeah. But what was the fight that they signed that he was going to wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you remember? I think they want to toss him like an Olympian, which is. That's where it gets dicey. Yeah. Here's my fear. There was a recent event. There was a very weird event. I don't know. I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jujitsu. Have you seen that? No. Get the fuck out of my face. It was weird. Yeah, I know. So Glace and T-Bow was fighting. I apologize. I don't remember who he was fighting. And he takes this guy down, and the guy catches. He's trying to avoid the takedown. He catches his knee in a weird way, and it blows out. So that could happen to fucking anybody. Wrestling's a little safer, though. I don't know about that, because this was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down. Yeah, but those guys aren't exactly high-level wrestlers. True. RAF, it's top-tier shit. Oh, yeah, no doubt. And it's so good. No doubt. It's so good. But wrestlers blow their knees out all the time. True. It's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement, and a guy is coming after you. But it's kind of what you sign up for. 100%. So for a hot spot, it's like, dude, we can't fight fucking once a year, and then you have weight issues, and clearly there seems to be a mental block, and you're getting finishes because of your cardio. Let's do RAF. Let's do RAF. Let's do RAF. He gets this rolling, keeps your weight down, keeps you active, also keeps you in the limelight. Armin has blown the fuck up, dude. True. He's a massive star now. True. Especially online. I don't know how much that translates to the general public. It's for dorks like us. Dorks like us are riding his nuts. He beat Giorgio twice. It's such a good point. Is it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that he tech-falled, which is nuts? Nuts. Uriah Faber threw over the fucking. That was crazy. Why'd you do that? What if you both got hurt? What if you hurt Uriah? That's crazy. He's a bit of a mainhead. Well, he's a psychopath. Yeah. He's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's rich. Dude, he's so rich. Like, literally wealthy. Do you see him on that stream? They go, so, like, if you wanted to, like, buy a car, like, $500,000 car, what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad. Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money, but he's not lazy at all. No, he's not. He flies in the face of this, like, long time. He has this outstanding belief that we all had that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter. Yeah, dude, he's Batman. It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto. He's going to fuck you up. He does not give a fuck. Like, some fucking dude who's like, I'm from the favelas, you know, like, good luck. Cool, man. Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath. Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach. Yeah. Fucking he can't be off. He pulls into L.A. I watch his YouTube videos. Yeah. You know, shows him training and all the different stuff he does. When he lands in L.A., he goes immediately to an exotic rental car. And rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab. Bro, it's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off. Bro, good luck with that guy. Good luck with that guy. Go ahead and make fun of him for being rich. Built like a Greek god. Yeah. Can wrestle like a fucking elite top tier wrestler. And he can strike. And he can submit you. Good luck. And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilya. Which is the best thing that ever happened to him. You think so? Yeah. Yeah. Because look how. Much because we were fucking dorks and we knew who he was. But the general, like especially online, no one, his profile's so big now. I think it's just with dorks. I mean, I think. But those dorks, the equal sponsorship. Yeah. Money. Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants to. He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive. It's not. He has no reason to be upset. Well, I'll tell you what. Armenians. Look at the fuck. Shut the fuck up, man. Great body. Just shut up. Great body. That's ridiculous. Great body. That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day. Or get you in that fucking kind of shape. I'm kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Or just get ripped. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. We've all been there. Staying up late. Stressed about the future. Maybe you're worried about finding a job or a looming deadline. 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If Ilya gets past Justin. If Justin beats Ilya, it is not only one of the greatest upsets of all time. It is one of the greatest caps to a career of all time. Like if he, all through what he's been through, wins the interim title, wins the BMF title. If he does that and caps his career off, you go, fuck yeah, dude. Way to go out. Brother, if he beats Ilya Teperet at UFC Freedom 250 in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American. He's the only American that gets the belt. It's bigger. It's beyond just MMA, UFC. Miracle on Ice, fuck off. This is. Imagine the headlines, dude. Yes. And if he beats that guy in his prime who's knocking everyone into the shadow realm. He says to Charles Oliveira, I'm sorry, it has to be you. Has a celebration party the night before the fight. At a party. At a party. Was drinking wine and shit. No, he wasn't. Was he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking. wine no i think it was water no i'm pretty sure he's drinking wine imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched. Yeah, and he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. Yeah, dude. Checks all boxes. Checks all the boxes. It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for Justin. I love both of them. But just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos at that, in front of the weird elites watching the fight. You don't know what the fuck's going on. It's going to be great if Justin pulls it off. Yeah, if Justin pulls it off, it'd be one of the greatest upsets of all time. One of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire, Teporia plans to celebrate before the Gaethje clash at the White House. Of course he's going to celebrate. Whatever he's doing. That's his move. Whatever he does. He's doing it again. Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight belt. We're going to celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized. My team has already taken care of that. That's some mind-fucking-a-half when you're in your hotel room, you know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram, thinking about 24 hours from now you're going to be fighting, and you're like, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing. That's how sure he is he's going to beat the fuck out of you. He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? Yeah, and when, did you see when all the fighters are at the White House? Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. You're like, oh fuck. Why would you give your friend his toughest test? Well, for Gaethje, that's the last fight. I mean, if this is really going to be his last fight, that is the last fight. And it's smart. It's smart because that patty fight is. is, you know, entertaining fight for the casuals, but as far as technical-wise, it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy. Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do. Which he should do. He just wanted to just go fuck you, and just come at him and just throw caution to the wind, and just almost fight like he did, like, back in the PFL days. World Series of Fighting Days. That's what it was, right. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what he should be doing. And that's exactly what he should have done, and for patty, it was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done. But you can tell, like, and it's all good. This isn't a knock on Justin. All the years, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen, it catches up with you. 100%. It has to. And now here's Ilya Toporia. But, again, I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest upset we've ever seen at the fucking White House. And Trevor Whitman, Justin has an awesome series, The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on YouTube, and it's all talking about him preparing, and it's all videos of him training, and Trevor Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Namajunas when she beat Ioanna Jojecek. Sure. When she beat Yong Wei Lee. Same thing. Like, they love being the underdog in those situations. Like, stopping Wei Lee was nuts. Crazy. You know, that she was the underdog, head kicks her. Yep. Crazy. And that. This is a little different, but I hear you. It is different. It's different. But it is. It's similar in ways. It is. The. Zhong Wei Lee is. Because Zhong Wei Lee was fucking everybody up. Scary. There's no one like her. The physicality of her at strawweight, she was a fucking monster. Like, her training was bananas. Crazy. I'd watch her training, I'd go, good lord. Who's gonna beat her? She's like. Her shoulders and shit. But the way she trains, she trains like a dude. Yeah. Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? Like, women. That's a haircut to show. And it's not a knock on the way women train. I'm not saying that. I'm saying, like, the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like, she's trying to kill somebody. She probably is, Joe. She might be. It might be natural. It might have slipped something into her noodles. Did you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh, man. I took my husband's vitamins to just have these steroids. Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids. He fucked up. Is he an active fighter? I don't think so. No, he's probably just some meathead, and he's like, yeah, I guess this works. I hope so. Yeah, me too. Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck? Now we're both fucked. Yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing. Yeah. But back to Whaley and Rose, the difference with that is Rose was still pretty in her prime there. Yes. A hundred percent. That's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimblitt fight. He looked like he was just being an animal. And Pimblitt's a fucking good man. You see what Pimblitt did to Bobby Green, and granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking sensational. He looked good. Against Jeremy Stevens. He just keeps doing the damn thing. But also, that style is so fun. Talking shit, pointing at you. He's fun, man. So fun. He's one of my faves. So fun. How about at the end of the fight, when I'm interviewing him, he's like, come walk with me. And he takes me over to Dan. He's like, yo, Dana. Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given him a bonus. He was just talking about how he's one of the most exciting fighters he's ever done. He's done it. He's awesome. I'm like, everybody knows that. He's like, well, I didn't get my fucking bonus. Yeah. But I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus. Dana goes, well, we do it also your strength of your opponent. Zell Huber was good, dude. He beat Zell Huber in his last fight and stopped him. Badass fight. He should have got a bonus. He should have got it for that one. That's what he was talking about. Well, but for this last fight, for his last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fight. Great fighter. But, you know, compared to, like, the other guys on the card. Yeah. That's why Dana's like, well, strength of opponent, too. No, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying, because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for the Zell Huber fight? He got 25K, right? Didn't they change the rules? If you get a finish no matter what, but he wanted the big boy bonus. The big boy bonus. Yeah. I'd hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. You know, look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. Like, this is a $7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. Yeah. The shareholders would have me fired. Yeah. I wouldn't. You don't want me. I run that bitch like affliction. Yeah, you don't want that. You don't want me running the UFC, because I treat it like I was a communist. I'm also, yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it, too, because I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, man, I feel like we could give some over here. But then, if you talk to somebody in the know, they're like, oh, do ya? Well, look at this, motherfucker. I'm like, oh, my bad. My bad. Okay. Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year. He worked very hard. I'm sure he did. But that was from the UFC, from TKO. Right? That was his payout. And he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy. But is he the reason they sold for $7.7 billion? He's a big part of it. Probably a big part, right? 100%. And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal. You know, the whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for. Without the fighters, there is no UFC. It doesn't exist. It is the entire product. The thing you're selling is entirely fighters. And it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime. They have 10 years or whatever they have. And when they get out, you know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say. You see like tics that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys bodies and the consequence is their health and it's for the rest of their life. And so if you're doing something that is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people. The amount of money that is left over for the other people the people that are making the money that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love. And I think they should be compensated more. Yeah, I don't think you're, I mean, obviously we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fighter. It's not even about being biased. It's just fairness. It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace and Well, the thing is, it's such a dicey thing. I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk and I get sick of it too because I don't know what you can really do because It's simple. Well, I go is it though? Because here's the thing. People will go, okay, they made some.7 billion. Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on. But it's like if the UFC's the only sports or combat sports promotion to ever make money. Ever. Right. Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit. So my thing is like, is this just what it is? I know some people are like, you're such an idiot. They have this leftover money. I hear you. But all I'm saying is there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction. world series we can go through the list one championship none of them are around someone like their last leg no one's ever been able to sustain it so all i'm and i'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money all i'm saying is is this just how it goes in the fight business i don't know i'm not businessman i know people are yelling right now you're fucking it i'm just saying i don't think it's it's fighting different where hey man that's just it's not the nfl it's not the nba it's not mlb in order for us to continue this rise this is what it is it's 18 to the fighters i i don't know joe okay well that's what i'm saying i don't know good points first of all let's just give the ufc its flowers because without i love the kids say that these days give it give flowers yeah good saying have your daughter started using buns yet oh yeah they use that yeah i just found my my son's bad buns is bad yeah i didn't know i got a new truck my son's like i think it's buns i'm like is that good what's that saying it's ass yeah i know but buns are always like cute buns yeah i know yeah we're young jamie yeah you want jamie but what were you saying um the ufc is the greatest organization in combat sports history period there's nothing even close the product is so much better than any boxing promotion and my friends that i've brought to the ufc that are boxing fans like my friend josh dubin he was like the fucking productions incredible he goes it's so much more exciting than any boxing event it's so much better that is 100 true they've also been a consolidated organization forever right i mean it was a different owner it was bob myrowitz back in the day in 97 when i worked for them but from 2021 on so for the last 25 fucking years it's been zufa right they sold zufa now zufa sold sold to ari emmanuel tko and but the same people are running it right it's still dana white it's still all these people behind the scenes that's a another conversation yeah it's still anik it's still me and dc and michael bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary and you know dominic cruz and paul felder and laura sanco it's still the the team's the same the team behind the scenes is the same it's so polished there's never a problem when i show up at the ufc everything's so smooth you go and say hi to everybody i show my badge to the fucking security people i say hi we sit down everything is smooth we got a minute it's okay great everybody's there the the sound guy's on point well everything is on point it's so easy i've been close and it's like the production in the truck is so fucking good they always have the right angle giordano is always on the case when it comes to like getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for replays if i ask for something i got it right away like like i'll push the button you know let me hear his corner yeah because it's boom they're right on it it's they're the best high level they're the best the best and you notice that when you see other promotions it's like the other promotions the camera works on it's good it's like things are good it's the machine is so good and it's become like the nfl like i know the xfl exists i've never even fucking heard of a game i've never even heard of a game one player no one's even brought up a game that's gonna happen never i know it's a thing never and the problem with casuals that's the same with the pfl even though the pfl's fucking got really good fighters there's really good fighters in the pfl far cry from the ufc but yeah some of them are good fighters but they're not good fighters they're not good fighters some of them are really good man that cat that just knocked out hen and farrar the guy who's the um the heavyweight that is uh fedor's protege oh yeah yeah the russian cat bro he's good bro he's good in the ufc's fucking shallow ass heavyweight division we could use that we could use them i'd 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they're the best by the best organization by far and they deserve to be rich because of that they've made an incredible product so do the fighters though i think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters now this is my position with my comedy club so my comedy club pays different than every comedy club the fighter the fighters the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door that's how it should be but let me ask you this joe and if it's too much we're like dude get the fuck out of it but but is your is the mothership compared to the comedy store the improv are you guys crushing them it's doing really well i mean the comedy store is always going to be one of the great clubs on earth it's a legendary club it's dependent upon who's there the difference between the way the comedy store does it and the way we do it is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend like the weekend it might be david tell yeah this week is tony rock is there another club that does that is there because it's a little different because you have your regulars is there another club that does that sure most clubs do that for the weekends but the thing is they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays yeah i know the weekdays we've got shane gillis we've got shane gillis ron white tony hinchcliffe kill tony's there every monday it's a different that's what i'm saying is there anybody doing that because the comics have to be but my whole point is what however you run your business it's like is is the model where you're doing it where the comics are making the majority of the money is that a sustainable business 100 it makes money if if we take it if we take joe rogan out of it and you and some dude want to start a club and did the same thing is that going to be profitable no you have to have the talent but that's the difference it's like the thing with the people who do it it's like the people who do it it's like the people versus the ufc you have to have the talent right and the reason why our club works is because everything look it's pure luck it's pure luck everything had a lineup we had to hit every green light it had a covid had to happen the comedy store had to get shut down all the employees from the comedy store had to get fired we had to not be able to do stand-up in la i had to be worried about my family and like the the crime and the the riots and then the covid shit where everyone was wearing a mask i was like this is bananas and then moving to texas or just visiting texas but you gotta give yourself credit like luck yeah yeah but you were also the guy that had the idea to do it yeah most people wouldn't pull that trigger you didn't have to do that that is true but it's all a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time it had to happen at a time in my career where i had a lot of money you know so it happened it had to happen when the spotify deal took place so i had all this money yeah and then it all had a lineup where i was already the number one podcast in the world so i had to do it and i had to do it and i had to do it i could easily get people because of you joe i understand but it had the line humble no no it's i'm just being honest like it had a line up so i couldn't have done it on my own i had to come here and ron white was already here so ron white's a big reason one of the club i mean he was one of the main reasons why i moved no i know because it was like yeah even if i never do comedy again and i was really wondering if we're ever going to do comedy again ron's here i'll hang out with ron we'll have laughs yeah so when i moved here and then all of a sudden tony was here and i was like tony moved here and then tom segura moved here and brian simpson moved here and asan moved here and brian and derrick posted moved here and it was like oh shit we got something cooking and then tim dillon came here and then it was like oh my god and then duncan trussell moved here i was like holy shit so they're moving because you're here i understand but they had a mothership right but they had to do it before the mothership even opened take a shot they all moved before the mothership opened shane moved after the mothership opened but they all came in early and trusted me so i was like okay these guys i i owe them what they took a chance with their future i have to throw everything into this and all together we'll do it yeah so it's our club it's really our club but it had to happen in a way where i had this disposable money i had disposable income where i could do it and it wouldn't hurt me yeah and then i could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money so that way you encourage people to stay so there's so many people that are there all week and they're like oh my god i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this during the week, they don't have to go do shows other places. can make money at their home club you're doing it right i guess my example like can the ufc do that because because my example for you it's like can these other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money they could in new york and they might be able to do it in la so i don't think you could do it in la right now because the store is open and the store is always going to be the premier club in the world it's always legendary so it's on sunset strip even though la is falling apart it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy it's one of the main reasons why i was excited to move to la it was mecca it was when i was a a beginner and an open miker in 1988 they would talk about the store like it was mecca like you had to go to the store they still do though i don't think that's ever going away of course it's you know the store comes and goes in cycles like it always does it always goes in cycles depending on who's in town who's there it's a very it's all comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays and if you don't bring in talent on the weekends that's the difference like so the store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does i i told um scott scott shore i was like i think no that was peter sorry i told peter shore i was like i think you you guys should do that i think you should like but do they have to go because you can still go on a saturday night and you'll see you know yes big names you will but big names but you could have those people there still as well like they could also do shows with that person and you have two other rooms and that's what you guys you have the or and you have the belly room you have the three rooms in one location like you could still have the or filled with top talent because they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage of the little stage in fact most of us prefer the little stage the or is an amazing room yeah but the thing is it's like you have to have enough talent in town and a lot of people moved out of la a lot of people moved out of joey diaz moved out of la like a lot of people moved out of theo moved out a lot of people moved out so the problem is you would have to have enough talent there and then you would have to have talent that was there all the time like us like we're at the club all the time i think and going back to if the ufc could do this like they're profiting so much now there's no reason to that's the other issue this is the problem you want to hear my idea though rational you want to hear my idea yeah and you might be like you're out of your fucking mind okay and it's and again i'm not anti you have nothing i you cut my fucking wrist right now bob o'reilly spills out i fucking bleed the ufc it made my entire career yeah when that paramount deal was announced and i'm a wild boy when that paramount deal was announced what i would have done is and this is the issue why things will never change i would have talked to all the managers all the fighters and said we're not fighting another fight they just signed a huge deal 7.7 million if you guys want to get your equal share nobody's agreeing to a fight bout to a fight card unless we get i don't know someone's gonna figure out 30 so it's 18 percent of the time we're going to get a fight card and we're going to get a fight card and we're right now if we go up 30 which they're still going to have profit if they agree to that then we'll fight but they there's no deal if we don't fight right those days are over now so you missed the mark now you're gonna say yeah but they can get other guys to do that and i'm saying across the board we all agree as fighters we're not gonna fucking move a inch if you can get fighters to agree to that it would work that's the problem it'll never happen not in a million years that in a white has this thought about fighters that when they get paid too much and they get rich their careers end earlier but that's that's the other armand sarukian and he's right yeah and he's right well there's arman who's yeah bruce wayne but for the most part he's right don't go through anybody's career he's kind of right he's kind of right but it doesn't matter that's on that's on them yeah agree that's on them yeah that's fair yeah i mean he's right but you can't protect them for unless you have a bonus that you're going to pay them out when they retire and then they're not going to do that but the other thing i think sean shelby said this uh might have been mcmain you're one of them was like the other issue we have is when guys get paid a lot and then we offer them fights we're not getting the fights we want to make once once they have that goose egg like i'm not fighting that fucking guy it's a nightmare i know but again you can't base it off of that because i'm sure there's some guys who will do it yeah and you fuck with them but it's not a reason not to pay him listen it's all this is hippie talk but but i feel like if i would if i was on if i owned the ufc i would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly this is just my feeling and i'm not a good businessman if you want to be a good businessman you got to make the most money possible i don't know joe you've done pretty fucking well bubba a lot of luck a lot of luck you gotta quit saying luck you're driving me nuts no but it's a lot of you work harder than anybody else well i work hard when i listen i i stick with things and i have a lot of time to do it and i have a lot of time to do it and i have a lot of work ethic that is true but that's half the battle yeah yeah but i'm not like a businessman in the sense of like if i was running a business like that i wouldn't treat it the same way i wouldn't say i'm trying to make the most money possible i would say i got money and let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it yeah but again i don't know the in and outs i don't know if you can run a organization like that and be profitable i don't know well it'd be profitable but it wouldn't be as profitable and that's the thing so when you have shareholders you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits and and and this is this is the only knock on the uci i have is in order to get that 7.7 billion dollar deal you have to put on whatever it is 45 fight cards a year right so like those fight nights so now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards but because you made this deal with paramount now you're getting just you know you're signing these contenders series kids who have three fights four fights where 10 years ago those boys ain't sniffing the ufc it was so hard to get in but now because we have to fulfill those cards you're getting a lower level of talent yeah well here's what's interesting so um one of the players in the purchasing of the ufc of the rights of the ufc was netflix they're one of the players they're one of the people that were thinking about doing it um so there was negotiations with them there's negotiations with espn and ultimately paramount was like this wild dark horse they came around with the big money and i like paramount i have no issues yeah look the ads are weird but whatever i love mob land i love land land man yeah mob land is fucking great everyone's that fuck yeah fuck yeah dude is this audi is r6 in that so bad me too i was trying to convince my wife i never wanted a wagon until i saw tom hardy drive that they're fucking sick they're so sick it's a great show yeah but paramount has awesome shows so it makes sense i already had it great perfect i love the fact there's no pay-per-view but what's interesting about netflix not doing it because i think netflix didn't want the i might be talking out of school but i'll just say it i believe what i heard take this here's the caveat is that netflix did not want the small fights they did not want fight night good for them they only wanted the big ones well some of the fight nights are fucking awesome we like them because we're degenerate right the public's like who the fuck are these guys apex just no one there yeah i love that netflix like what take these i love the apex fights i've been planning on going to an apex fight card i'm trying to find the right one just to go and watch i'll go with you let's fucking go i would love that i just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me yeah i feel like i don't have any enemies anymore i kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume that's it that's how i said which we understood from the get-go uh ted sarandos who i love um bella bajaria i don't know her name i don't know her name i don't know her name uh we're very up front with that we're looking for big events so the fact that you could give us one pay-per-view which is just we were just going to put on the platform for free as long as you're a subscriber as long as you just give us that we're in we'll pay premium for it but we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights they said we don't want the bullshit yeah here's the thing but then where would those 30 fight nights go that's the question but then then that fulfills pfl bellator or you fight pass yeah fight pass i could do that fight pass but to to again the business side of it the zufa or tko is going well hold on the reason we get such a big nut 7.7 billion because we offer so much content right you guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago which are just one big fight every every once a month which for the fans is fucking awesome it makes sense for zufa and it makes it makes sense for netflix i get it and all of it made sense it just wasn't a fit but what i was getting at is now it's interesting because netflix has got a lot of money netflix throws some money around right and netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers and now netflix is in the mma game i'm glad you brought that so have you heard anybody talk about it keep going it's us dorks like you and me keep going no no one in the real world is talking about it to me but that's okay the point is they're gonna do it and just because it's on netflix i guarantee you millions of people will watch it i bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets let's see if it's sold out it's definitely not and the tickets are 88 dollars um but this is where it gets tricky because the the more places fighters have to go the better because ufc has no competition right it's a monopoly all good right which nfl is mba is i have no issues with that right so if fighters big name fighters have a place to go and can get paid i'm all for it right the issue is netflix and getting mma it's like my thing is i'm not going to get paid i'm not going to get paid i'm not going to get My thing would be, the plan here? So Ronda and Gino fight this weekend. You got two four-year-olds fighting the main event. It's going to get good numbers, but again, and you know this. You've been in business with Netflix. They're not going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers. No, they don't tell you shit. They don't tell you. You did great. They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like, really? Did he? So they're going to say. Well, Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that? Netflix said this. Oh, they said 400 million people watch it? Some bullshit like that. How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have that many. I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people. That last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers. So 100 million people were pirating it. So say 100 million. Yeah, yeah. So say 100. And right now, and I get Ronda's being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, we're going to destroy the White House. I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will tell you they did. Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua George, 33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. That's really good. I don't know what the Sean Strickland Hamzak Chamayev numbers were. They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers? I'm guessing. I might be wrong. I think they have like 60 million, right? How many subscribers does Paramount Plus have? But this is what you're not taking into consideration. Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in Canada and like Paramount in Europe, there's not a thing. So what are those views now? You know, like when we're adding all this up. Can they get Paramount in other countries? I don't think that Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal. Oh, interesting. And then Australia, I think, still has pay-per-view. Interesting. I think you're right. Okay, 79 million subscribers. So that's a big difference between, it says globally. Yeah, half of them are in the U.S. 35 million are in the U.S. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's put that into. Yeah, but I still think that UFC deal was just for the U.S. Yeah, it's just for U.S. Just for U.S., okay. Because U.K. is Sky Sports. So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight, if that's an accurate number. 33 million. They're never going to get to that. But remember, the White House is also on CBS. That's different. How many people are on CBS? How many people are watching regular TV? That's wild. Maybe they might, 30 more views? Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk. That shit's on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado. Use your rabbit ears. Pick it up. They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy. Crazy. Like, some people have to fucking move the antenna. The signal's coming in bad. Crazy. There's some people out there with regular TV. Yeah, hell yeah. That's wild. Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy. And they're just getting their news from, like, fucking, you know. Robots. Fox and fucking. They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. That's right. Yeah. Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. They can swear on Fox. Can they? I believe so. Because if it's on cable, I think you're allowed to swear. Oh, wow. I think so. Yeah, but I don't think Fox is. Well, there's a broadcast version of Fox, though. Right, but is it. regulated? If it's broadcast, it is. That's the whole. But Fox still is cable. Right, but broadcast and cable. So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version? So there's a version. It all has to do with over the air. What's available through the air? Right. That's what the FCC is regulating. So the broadcast version meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna? Yeah, there's, like, a local Fox station. Oh, okay. Okay, you're right. You're right. You're right. Okay. It came way later. That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable. Channel 31. And I remember we wanted it for the Simpsons and Married with Children. Yeah. Simpsons, too. Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I am. It was hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of signals in most places. Oh, okay, but it was always broadcast. Okay. But mine have fucking times changed now because there's, like, you talk about Mobland. There's so many dope shows. There's so many good shows out there. Yeah. But it's, like, hot for, like, a week. And then something else comes. There's too many things. There's too much. Like, I don't. Like, there would never be, like, Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's, like, the entire world shuts down. Right. We all just kind of binge it when we want. True. And there's a new show here. It's not good, man. True. That's fact. That's fact. Try selling a show right now. Like that. I was talking about my Gearhead's Gone Wild on Tubi. Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers. They're big. But trying to sell a show these days? 300 million subscribers on Tubi? Tubi's fucking massive. I didn't know either. When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. A car show? Tough, dude. I didn't know Tubi had that many subscribers. Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating this episode. They surpassed 100 million monthly active users. How many subscribers do they have in total? I know the numbers are alarming. Is it a subscriber thing, or is it, like, a YouTube thing where you could just, like, view it? I would imagine it's tiered. It says a free ad-supported streaming service. Yes. Rather than a subscription-based model. It's free, but they have subscribed, and then you can get the non-ad paid where you pay, I think. Oh, okay. So you can just get it for free. Yeah, like YouTube. YouTube Red and YouTube. YouTube is probably the biggest. Well, like, they probably have the most active viewers worldwide. Not even close, right? But then remember they tried doing, like, shows, and it just ate shit? Like, YouTube Red. Remember YouTube Red? Oh, yeah. They're, like, making offers. I remember YouTube. Remember that? I think they did. That is crazy. It's interesting, because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well. Like, Mr. Beast. Yeah. But I think YouTube Red was, like, kind of a little before that, right? And they're, like, put your shows on here, and, like, what the fuck? They jumped the gun. Yeah. They jumped the gun. Mr. Beast was, like, or I'll just put my shit out, and everybody in the world will watch it. Yeah, the thing about it, if you put your shit on YouTube, there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. That's the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see. Like, the recommended for you is completely what you're interested in. Everything's niche now. It's like, there's people out there we don't even know, and, like, my kids are like, Dad, he has 60 million subscribers. I'm like, what the fuck? I've never heard of this fucking guy. I know. You know how much money he's making? Yeah. But it's all niche. Everything's niche. Part of living a healthier lifestyle means being extra careful of what you put into your body. AG1 Pro gets that. Their formula was carefully crafted with vitamins, probiotics, and superfoods your body needs, plus enhanced support for your workout and recovery, including creatine. 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And so what that means is, say if you have millions and millions of subscribers and then you look at the views, the views are hundreds of thousands of views, then you look at the comments, like five comments. Six comments, like what the fuck is going on here? But it's a weird thing to do because in order to make money, YouTube's seized the back end. So if you're trying to make money off your show, you're not gonna make money. But it'll get bigger because of the number. So here's the thing. So if you go to like, brendanchob.com, if you did that, if you have Brendan Chobb's YouTube channel, and I looked at it, I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers? Well, I should fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it. And they'll click on your views or your videos more often. Because they think they're like missing out. Like, clearly this guy's doing something right. Of course. It definitely, I don't, I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views. You'll get because of that. But it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. And If you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, you're like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube. Like, oh, this guy's big. That's true. This guy's big. Yeah, it definitely does. But then they're like, but there's three comments. Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio only. Oh, yeah. And then someone came and regulated it. Exactly. But it's not like we were all in on it. No, no, no. It was someone who was running because we're all kind of using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, dude, we have 30 million fucking audio. 30 mil, dude, this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then someone came in. I was like, actually. Yeah. What it was doing was like every time someone clicked on it, it would count so that like I'm talking completely out of my ass. If they started and stopped it, right? It counted. It counted over and over again as multiple listens. That's right. And. And I think they do that with other things, too. Like, so you have to figure out, like, who the actual number of people. But people have been accused of making like you can you could pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers. There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact that some people have done that. But doesn't Instagram in the background, doesn't YouTube, don't they try to shut that shit down? They just deleted millions of bots over the weekend. 100%. And I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it. Well, lose like 100,000. Yeah, I lost 100,000. Yeah. But there are bots. 100%. And there's a ton of them and they catch some of them. But some of them are more sophisticated in their approach. And then they adjust. So once they realize what gets them caught, you can run an AI program. Yeah. So if you run an AI program and you have a like if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts. And you can have them even commenting. And you'll notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative. And it seems like a fucking person, man. Wow. But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob567254. And then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's a person. And then you go to Bob's account and you're like there's almost no chance that Bob's a person. But meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time. And most likely. What this is, is it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement. Dialogue back and forth. Me and Sean were talking about before you got here. I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The streamers paying for the next level of what you're describing. So it's not AI doing it. I've heard of Clippers. Yes. They're paying for there's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload of money. A ton of money. And they're posting. Because you'll think certain people are bigger than they are. Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like, that's all by design. And you can pay for that, too. So that's probably legal, right? No? I mean, why would it? Should it be? Right. I mean, it all depends on what are you doing? Are you getting money from it? Are you getting advertising revenue from it? To your point, it's a false sense of fame. Because to your point with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know him and he's getting views online. But does that equal? Actual fans? I think it reinforces the fans that already love him. Yes. And a few people are going to hop on board. But as far as, like, your general casual that will tune in for a UFC fight card, no. Not necessarily. But it's also a younger demo, right? Like, have you ever watched a stream? No. You're older than me. No, I've never watched a stream. I had a talk with a streaming company the other day. I'm like, dude, what? Wait, wait. You want me to, seven days a week, turn on a camera? And you're my, just, like, breakfast and shit? Like, hanging out with my family? Well, the streaming thing is nuts. Where people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back? And you're just ranting and raving and talking online all day. Can't be good. But then, like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it, making stupid money. Yeah, but, you know, it's a good move for Rampage. You know, he's not fighting anymore. Yeah. It's a good move. Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast. That's doing well. It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different things. He's crushing on there. And he's also got a great podcast. He's got a great personality. He's great. He's perfect for it. Perfect for that. But some people, you know, it ain't their thing. Shouldn't be doing that. But streaming's, like, the biggest thing, yeah, Jamie? Yeah. I get me sounding old as fuck, but I don't. We're old. Yeah. Also, you know, it's also, it's like, what are you doing with your life? Like, I got things to do. I know. I can't sit in front of the camera for five hours a day. I don't understand how anybody does it. But also, is it that entertaining? Like, my life's not fucking lit. Like, they talk a lot of shit on camera, and then they watch a bunch of things and react to things. There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them, like, for our channel, there was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming your shit? Streaming my show and commenting on it. Like, reaction videos? Yeah. Getting mad about things we said. There's a bunch of good, yeah. But they were doing it through the, they were playing the whole show out. Oh. Yeah. That's illegal. Well, it was very shady. It was very weird. I see that. Because they were. We're commenting on it. But it was like, your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content. But, you know, it's weird. You know, you're dunking on me, or you're pumping me up, or whatever you're doing. It's, it's, there was a lot of that going on. And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's Mr. Beast's show and commenting on that, or other shows are commenting on that. So they're watching stuff online. Someone will send them a video of a guy getting in a street fight. They comment on that. Yeah. It's reaction videos. And they're interacting with all these people that are in. In the comments. And they're making money off of it. Yeah. And they're talking to these people that are in the comments. It's like. It's weird. First of all, if you think that social media is bad for your mental health. Oh, my God. Dude, yesterday I was driving down. I dropped my kids off. And I was going somewhere. I was going to this car shop. My truck's in the shop. And I was driving my father-in-law's car. And I see a high school bus. Lake Travis High School. I live right by Lake Travis. I see a Lake Travis High School bus pull up. I just look over every single kid. Staring at them. On their phone. Yep. Not talking to each other. No. It bummed me out so fucking bad. I know. It's weird. You know the fun we used to have on that bus? I know. And no one's talking to each other. I know. The bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong. Well, it's not just the doing it wrong. I want to jump on that bus and be like, hey, listen. I know I'm the old dude. You guys are fucking up right now. Well, you're right. But it is also where human beings are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the digital world. And this is the first steps. These are the first steps. These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day. But we know it's not good. Oh, yeah. No, it's not good. So we're just going to continue to go down this shit road? You don't think there's anything we can do? Nope. Nope. People are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I don't see anything changing. I think, if anything, it's going to get more invasive. And then it's probably, I mean, who knows? Just guessing what the next technology is going to be. But as this technology moves forward, it's going to get more and more invasive. It's going to get more. You're going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is. However they're going to do it, whether it's going to be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset and you're reading each other's minds or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality or virtual reality. And you don't think anybody's like, man, we're headed down a terrible road. They're not going to. No one's going to. They're going to keep doing it. Just too much money? No, it's just everyone's addicted. And everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information. I get all my ideas about how the world is working from social media. Not social media commentary, but social media stories. Well, someone will post, like, this is going on in Iran. This is going on here. I get it off social media. I get it off of X. But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right? Yeah, it's dicey. And you've got to find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement because there's a lot of just click bait. Bullshit. Majority is. Yeah, there's a lot of that. But you also find breaking news. And you also find things that you wouldn't know about, you know, like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and certain really crazy stories. They're like, how am I not hearing about this? This should be fucking huge. But you don't think it's going to be like, and I know we have to use it. You don't think it's going to be kind of like cigarettes, like in the 60s where everyone was doing it. And then eventually the parents of those kids, I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the fuck? This is so crazy. Is it so bad for you? If it was a substance, I would agree. But it's addictive. It is addictive. But the problem is it's all facets of your life. It is your calendar. It is your email. It is how you take pictures and all your memories. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people. I don't even have their phone numbers. I just, they DM me and I DM them, you know, I have friendships with people that are just DM. So it's, uh, there's that, but that's basically the problem is that. It's, it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes never really were. We're relying on it. Yeah. You could, there was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even when people smoked cigarettes, like let's look this up, throw this into perplexity. Young Jamie, please. Um, during the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked? Let's guess. God, back in the, back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the fifties or whatever, I think it was 50%. That'd be high, right? Crazy high. - 30%? - Crazy high. like 33 but it might be higher because those old days man everybody had a cigarette in their hand johnny carson show everyone yeah people walking on the street smoke on planes smoke on buses smoke on trains yeah everybody's walking down the street smoking but what percentage of those people were doing it okay 40 to 45 wow in the mid-1960s the height of cigarette use in the u.s roughly 40 to 45 of adults smoked which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults wow that's a shit that's incredible that's incredible american lung association summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around from around 40 to 43 percent in 1965 to about 11 to 12 percent in 2022 i think it's back i think people are really i feel like it's lower i think people are smoking i see it a lot now outlawed it in san francisco outside that's hilarious that's gay that's that's san francisco that's gay that makes sense san francisco tree well you hear what they're doing in the uk if you were born um before uh or after a certain date you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21 just to stop people from exactly so people that were born in like fucking whatever year whatever year they they set it at when they turn 21 they will not be able to buy cigarettes just trying to eliminate but you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you're born a different time they say oh you're retarded you don't know anything better that's so stupid it's there it's communism it's it's socialism didn't they just uh run out the fucking were they prime minister or the fuck they call he's still there i thought they ran him out they're bringing somebody else in they probably want to but they haven't yeah but the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism it's like they're it's the government telling you what to do when i say communism i don't mean like they take all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually too but what they do is they tell you what you can say correct they tell you what you can do they tell you what you can take it's all socialized medicine they tell you what to do and what to say and how to think and they're gonna protect you protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking bananas so dumb it's bananas it's dumb but but uh england's lost their way they've lost their identity it's a fucking shit show well they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis primarily also other things but criticizing the government and the government and the government and the government and the government and now they threw away jury trials for those things so now it's a judge and so you don't even get people like you your peers to sit there and go no this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail his daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said some wild shit about immigrants and no he shouldn't be in jail for that but my thing if you don't like what's the agenda just to ruin just ruin the fucking control so um shrink you down to 15 minute cities that they're probably they're probably going to try to move us all into eventually but if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency then you have what they have in china so in china if you fuck up and you do something stupid guess what fuck face you can't buy a plane ticket that's wild yeah you you can't get a loan you can't get this for a house and it keeps people in line and then the government can do its job without protests dude can i piss real quick let's piss two fucking i gotta piss energy drinks we'll be right back folks ah so much better i know it's hard to concentrate when you have to piss bro you were talking i was like oh man i really want to hear this moment to piss my pants what were we talking about let's talk about your show um so we have cigar brother yeah dude last time i last time i smoke it i smoked it backwards i got roasted so hard online i know i didn't know i didn't notice but maybe i just smoke them backwards from now on switch it up it is funny though but it's really the same it's just where the label is yeah man what are these i'm a rebel smoke it backwards you are a rebel there you go thanks brother here's the clipper you know how this works yeah thanks make sure you clip the right spot that one there you go yeah on that this this cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one so the other one you could get more confused because both ends were pointy do you know how to do that yeah do you need help no i got a big time you know what no i'm dude you know me cigars i smoked only in here oh you light it that's right um so your show so your show is on 2b 2b hey so light this part yeah the well no but this part which yeah like this one it's fucking dude it's tricky right no no like just retarded like yeah light the part that you didn't cut um what is it called what's your show called gary had's gone wild oh that's right just like girls gone wild same text and everything is that a problem no hell no that guy's i think in fucking on the land in mexico i think we're good is he really uh is he hiding yeah i think so either way we're good didn't he get like kidnapped and they fucking here's some dicey shit yeah yeah it turned out pretty sad for him it's a car i mean it's shit with we would be doing anyways you know and then they wanted to make a tv show out of it so like i went to calvo calvo vipers he scared the shit out of me calvo vipers i went to the biggest porsche collection in austin i'm obsessed with porsches man oh you like those god those off-road ones you know i think russell makes them russell i forget the exact name but russell does i i don't know what the fuck it is when it's an off-road like that uh that just that vibe i don't know what it is dude i fucking love them man why do you love uh i don't know i don't know is there a dirt track where you could take a porsche off-road car to oh i'm sure where i bet i bet especially in california like johnson valley and all that oh yeah yeah yeah here there's there's place out here people have been hitting me up about right but when you take when you go off-roading generally you're going off-roading with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit you can't really do that in an off-road porsche that's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt yeah that's a jacar russell built fab oh that's dope dude some dad had one at the base that's a 993 yeah oh wow so they took a 993 and and oh that's a 993 that's my favorite thing in the world i don't know why look at the wheel wells that's crazy wow perfect daily driver too don't have to worry about you know i have a fucking problem with those extra front headlights they stick on the hood i do not like them i think it fucks up the lines of the car agree you could because you could put those on that front there just take them off night in the dark shut the fuck up bitch you ain't really off-road i mean you're off-roading but you're in the woods oh don't get twisted nighttime like all my trucks i have that ram 2500 av that thing's never seen the dirt right but that's different that's a truck that looks fine with the extra lights on it yeah but still i agree i think it's like whenever i see those old 911s like the 1972s and they have those extra headlights on the hood i'm like ew yeah what are you doing you're ruining the lines of one of those beautiful creations like a bad set of fake tits you're like what are you you got two fake tits on your fucking yeah you get some fucking collarbone tits like get those out of there they don't belong there more is not always better and the shape of a porsche especially those long nose porsches oh it's so beautiful the best when you have dumb ass fucking headlights on the hood like yeah it's just not meant to be yeah get out of here yeah i like different shit i don't like i agree those that those those headlights do fuck up the lines but like uh the other thing i'm like i like when they swap the ls's in the porsches too oh yeah that's dope yeah just the sound that chop yeah yeah i don't know it's shit like that man i like those a lot of people think that's heretics that's like oh my god what you should go to jail for that oh dude i brought a cooled ls engine in a porsche this guy's like he he's the head guy for porsche driving he's driving me around and i go man you ever you ever driven one of those ls porsches and he was like what the fuck do you say and i'm like you don't get down the road you don't get down the road you don't get down the road he's like fuck no i'm like yeah those are gay so gay no they're awesome yeah i just like different shit man yeah rutledge wood had one of those he had um one of those um what what's the fucking japanese cat that does the y bodies oh i know you're talking about i saw rwb yes yeah yeah he he had one of those with an ls in it that's pretty sick and there's there's companies that do that yeah yeah they're sick and it sounds incredible it sounds like an american but yet it's in a car that's like 2 000 pounds dude and all i do is search facebook marketplace for rs swap porsches god you can get some good deals because no one really wants them isn't that crazy yeah because everybody wants the air-cooled because the air-cooled has that raspy they are the best it's a wild great it's a wild sound that air-cooled sound is a wild as i'm getting older too it's like uh you know i've had trucks with 1400 horsepower i've had cars with 1100 horsepower and then if you just get an old school Porsche air-cooled with 250 horsepower manual it's all you need dude they're so fun as you get older you're like oh why am i chasing this fucking horsepower yeah because it's just about driving enjoyment it's not about you're not racing it no you know you're not on a track oh dude i knew i had issues when i was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game and my car was running hot my trx 1400 horsepower was running hot i converted to twin turbo uh hellcat engine it's like 1400 it's running on e85 fuel there's no e85 out there i'm in the middle of fucking like dripping springs i had to pull over on the side of the road because it's the engine was smoking i just went what the fuck am i doing man who am i doing this for it's not like i'm taking it to the track yeah who am i doing this for well a hennessey has a thousand and you can drive it everywhere yeah that's probably the way to do it hennessey trx yeah they're great hennessey raptor yeah i almost bought one of those and then i got that av ram and i linked up with diesel r and we're doing a randy's transmission i got a freaking stuff bigger turbo on their fast fuel system oh bro let me get my pants off oh yeah i don't know if you're into that stuff but i'm picking it up today it's finally done dude that sounds fun oh dude i can't fucking wait that sounds fun yeah um so the idea is you're just driving around going to different places having people do different things with cars yeah like check out what people are doing yeah different mods they're doing yeah and it's like that old school like car shows that people throw up on like it'll throw up facts about porsches and about the car it'll just pop up with that stuff and that's like our boys like uh gordon ryan was on there with his trx he's like 120 000 miles on it that's it really dude that thing's so busted up but he just drives it every day he off-roads it he just we go in his car i'm like dude i said no gordon i'm gonna tell you the same thing i tell everybody when i get in the car with him i know it's for tv i don't need to show off nobody's trying to get hurt he's like i got you man and was just fucking ripping the car out of the car and i'm like dude i'm gonna tell you the same thing i tell everybody when i get in the car with in this thing dude i'm like i flip one of these things man it ain't fun bud it ain't fun but it's uh yeah just shit we like you know and then someone's like you want to do a tv show i'm like yeah let's ride man it's interesting how much that's a male thing there are women that are into cars but i don't know any women i mean i'm sure they're out there but i don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars no no um some of them some of them like cars they're into some but like for me it's like that is one of the one things about having some money that is worth it like i always tell people having a nice house is great it is great there's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house but after a while it just becomes your house yes and if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big tv and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on you're set you're kind of sad yeah like the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a knife nice house is not much different okay the difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride you're taking a ride you're taking a ride a ride to work you are at disneyland yes you would wait in line to get in that car and you're boom boom and you're fucking shifting your own gears and it's fun and the shit you have dude i live through you because you know obviously we're in different tax brackets you know i gotta do my thing on facebook marketplace and shit i picked up tires the other day he goes holy shit brendan shaw buys tires on facebook marketplace yeah dude who doesn't want a fucking deal man put those in the back for me dude but uh yeah you got one of those poor i think you're gunther porsche yes and you took a picture you're like dude i'll just sit in my garage and stare at it i'm like dude i've never i do i stare at it sometimes sit in the garage and look at it oh it's a fucking piece of art man yeah all carbon fiber yeah dude some when i when i see like that that that that type of porsche like the gunther work or i'll see a certain car i'm just like i i can't even describe the it's like fuck dude that is so sick yeah do you see the gunther works made a twin turbo slant nose i sent it to you peter nam sent it to me too the owner of the company sent it to me oh you know yeah well i bought it off him i bought one off him not that not the slant nose i didn't know if you're dealing with like customer service no no i deal with peter he's awesome but that's it that car is insane they raced that one against a gt3 rs and it buried it buried the gt3 rs buried it yeah they did uh some rolling race like from 30 miles an hour and literally it just shot ahead like the other car was 1067 horsepower it's nothing it weighs nothing what does it weigh um please search what does the the new the slant nose gunther works way because they're carbon fiber 100 they're carbon fiber 2000 something yeah yeah i bet it's about 2400 pounds 27 27 so it's close but the the engine's probably super heavy well i don't know if it's super heavy but there's a lot of jazz in there but what engine are is it the um i think it's a liter twin turbo flat six yeah and it's air-cooled which is so nuts a thousand horsepower flat six air-cooled engine is crazy brother and people everyone like you talked to anyone like i want a thousand horsepower you think you want a thousand horsepower now it's not like your zrx uh zr1x it's not like that like if you buy it or like at my demon 170 if you get it from the factory you're good when you have a trx or your corvette or you know i've had other trucks about my ford lightning if you're reaching a thousand horsepower buddy you think you want those problems you do not right it's a fucking nightmare and then every week i was in the shop calling buddy doing something i'm like this is exhausting well this won't be like that like the gunther works ones are reliable i've never had a story no those are great but the the question is does that have any traction control hopefully not like jamie could you please look up whether or not these uh new gunther works porsches have traction control i don't know how they can do that now i know they can do it there's like a computer thing that you could buy that is gunther's in california where they at i believe so yeah 99 sure dude you should connect with him because i'd love to do an episode with him a wooden shift knob pays tribute to the porsche's motorsport carriage modern electronics like motorsports grade abs and traction control oh okay well that's good it's nice that it has abs too that's dope that's you're gonna need it you're going yeah but see if you can find the race between the gt3 rs and the slant nose bro it is hilarious crazy and the sound it makes is orgasmic it's i can't imagine how much that thing is wonderful oh it's got to be a million dollars yeah yeah here's my problem with porsche is even 20 years ago when i my very first car i bought when i had money i got it from podcast my says 15 years ago i bought just your base 911 went to the porsche dealer bought a base 911 i could afford it it was i don't know 80 grand now porsche has become it's almost like what ferrari was 10 years ago where just the base porsche is so expensive man it's pricing out their market so now it's become and we've been on porsche for how long like we've always talked about forever forever it's our shit watch this oh my god it's top gear oh it's top gear yeah great great channel yes so these guys that they do a rolling start i guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million dollar car way safer watch this watch this when they get to 30 and look at that interior dude watch this go bro it's not even close it's not even close it's not even close that's insane and the gt3 rs is a fast car motherfucking car but this was not his car obviously this is you know someone else's car that they're letting him test and so whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars how much did they cost 1.2 1.2 million dollars yeah that again that's my only issue with porsche because if you want a gt3 rs they're so expensive now man it's like well people flip them a lot of people flip them because they're really hard to get too yeah yeah it's just a lot of demand for them it's tough yeah we're back in the day you could if even if you're a porsche you could start somewhere and you'd be okay and now it's almost like ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people well you know what a lot of people are doing six what's four hundred thousand dollars more it's 1.6 million that cars 1.6 is crazy worth every penny if you got that loot if you got that one of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight porsche 911 t you know the t yep and they're taking that and juicing it up to like 700 plus horsepower and you know putting some mods on it now you're talking my language yeah because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo yeah and you're getting the same kind of speed but you're also getting rear wheel drive yep and you can get them for a pretty pretty i don't want to say cheap but man to get some of those like the gt3rs is you gotta be allocated or it's like 150 over markup like it's tough these days in the porsche business they're they're crushing it it's good for them right but again for like my kids hopefully they're fortunate enough where they're making good money but it's gonna be really tough to get into porsche man it's just it's a different the porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day it wasn't that it wasn't no you know it used to be much more affordable it was the more affordable supercar and a daily driving supercar but you know the market in the It's also things change, right, because now everything is twin-turbo. They're all twin-turbo. Yeah. Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin-turbo. Yeah. Yeah. You know? I think, too, one of the reasons I went away from Exotic, because, I mean, you know, I even modded my GT2 RS like I'm an idiot, but it loses value in it. When you mod them. When you mod them. Yeah. It fucks them up, and I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why I went so heavy into American shit, because, you know, the C6s, all the American stuff, you can mod the fuck out of, and there's a market there, you're not losing your ass. Yeah. And they're cheaper to mod. Like, when I would mod a Ferrari, buddy, exhaust, whatever the fuck, turbos, if you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man. Nightmare. Yeah. Well, it's all, to me, it's all about enjoyment, right? And so, like, what are you getting out of it? If you're not, like, racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and fucking correcting, you're not really doing that. With most cars, you're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me, I love the feel of a V8. Like, I have one of those Shelby Supersnakes. Yeah. It's a six-speed. Didn't you get the Supersnake R? It hasn't got it yet. It's on the way. Whee! I fucking love that car, because it's a modern muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old-school muscle car, but it's all modern. And perfect, starts every time, interior's great. Love that car. And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed. Just normal speed. Just driving to work. Not speeding. Just. You feel like you're doing something fun. It's exciting. And do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X? No. No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on another planet. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far. Like, when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Koda, I was like, this thing is crazy. Crazy. It's so fast. And it handles so well, and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not shifting your own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that. The driving experience is about engagement, and if you're not using a manual, you're missing. You're going to have fun. Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're going to have a lot of fun. For sure. It's a great car. But shifting your own. You know, they finally started making a gear, a manual transmission for the C8. Really? Yeah. So it's not. Is the Grand Sport coming in a manual? I don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette. I don't know if there are in the future. You can swap it in. But you can buy one now. So see what the company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw that and were like, oh. Because that's the only knock I've heard on actual car guys with ZR1X. They go, fast as fuck. It's great. But it's kind of doing it for you. Like, the drive's different. Like, it's so. It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker. Yes. Does not offer a manual transmission. Tremec. Okay. Tremec has developed a six-speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers it not real for production. What does that mean? But Tremec makes it. But they make it. Yeah. Are they selling it? Is Tremec not selling it? Or did they make it just for funsies? I have no idea. Because Tremec made the transmission on my Superstack. Tremec's great. They make the best transmissions. Tremec's new six-speed manual transactional. Opens the door for manual swap vets and other creations. So. They can do it. This is what I would do. What I would do is get a Z06 and put a fucking manual in it. Now we're cooking. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette. I get that Z06 and that orange they make. There's no word yet on price, timeline, or who's going to cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a three-pedal transmission. That is the problem. Because you're going to have to. And the ECU. Yeah. That's a big problem. Yeah. The biggest problem I've had is with the ECU. People don't realize, you know, the guys who do all the mods they do. But it's like, I got a 2024 Ram, and right away I'm like, right, what mods am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's Transmission, Banks. I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R, and they're like, you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah. What's up? Low miles, man. They're like, I fucked up. I'm like, why? They're like, because 2024 and up, there's no way to unlock that ECU. Like, you have. You have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Because everybody wants that. You're looking at seven grand for an unlocked ECU? Whoa. And that's. That's the ECU? That's not at any power. That's just to get it so you can add the power. Oh, my God. That's crazy. And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way. Well, how about this new law that they just passed where your car's going to monitor you, and then they're going to have. And then they're going to have a kill switch in your car so to keep people from drinking and driving, or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, they just fucking shut your car down. I think that's. Even more reason to buy old shit. Yeah. A lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that, please, into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed and what the law entails. Because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know what the exact version of it. It's going to pass in California first, for sure. Well, it's going to pass in California. It's passed nationwide, and Thomas Massey voted against it, and I think Fetterman might have voted against it, too. I'm not sure. Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah, but this is how it starts. Yes. The problem is if it has a kill switch. Ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it. I mean, it probably is going to be in here if it. Right. Okay. Why people call it a kill switch. Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired. So, that's a kill switch. So, that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving. That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your car and you're, you know. But that's the Trojan horse. Like, they get you in with that. It's for safety. That's the thing. May is a key word in there. May be able. Well, the thing about that is I think they already have that with the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car. Correct. You can shut it down. Right. So. That's a security. If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chobb is running from the law and you're trying to get to Canada. But can't they do that with your Teslas? That's probably. I mean, it's a computer. It's a computer. Of course they probably can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla has canceled the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show. Oh, they could all go away and I wouldn't give two fucks. I know it's your boy, but I just don't care. Shut your mouth. Do your thing. I drive it all the time. I love it. With all the cars you have. I love it. It's the one thing I'm like. I love it. Listen, I love V8s. Look, I drove my Raptor here. That Raptor's badass. Woo! A fanboy would say that it's going to be replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet. Yeah, but the Roadster's a two-seater. My car is a four-seater, four-door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds. But why would they get rid of it? I've never had four-seaters in my car. You never what? I've never had four people in my car. Okay, so you haven't, but like. So like the other day, I had to pick up my daughter because she was being driven and the car they were driving got a flat and I was on my way home at the exact same time and I picked her up and her friends. Yeah, that's dope. So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front. Yeah, I got everybody in my car, no problem. I like having a four-door. I have a family. I know you're a single guy. Like for you, a Roadster would be fine. That's just a. Not for you. It's a small little car anyway. I think the X is pretty dope too. They also cancel the X. I know, the X is dope. I actually like that. Tiffany Haddish had one and she showed me that it could dance in the parking lot. I've never seen that video. I was like, this is crazy. This is crazy. To your point, I only do four. I don't have anything two-door anymore because kiddos. This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. 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Chime is a fintech, not a bank, banking services and Chime card provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to Chime.com slash disclosures for more details. I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can and it has to have four doors. Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always have to have a sedan. I like a sedan. Your kids are older, though, too. If I didn't have a Tesla and I had a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac, the CT5V Blackwing. Let's go. Preach. And you can get a manual. You can get the new one. The F1 is only in manuals. The highest horsepower, 685. I don't know why I couldn't say that word. 685 horse. I know you do. We both suffer from marble mouth. Brother. 685 horsepower and it's only manual. Just take my fucking money, dude. I want an automatic if it's that. Yeah, manual sounds fun, but if you're driving all the time, it can get a little- Especially if you live in L.A. Yeah. Depending on where you live in. Yeah. Jamie, that could be you, bud. We were just in New Jersey. Bro, that's you, Jamie. I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like, I'm going to drive it 10 miles a day. It does. It's an awesome 10 miles. Dope. Dude, the feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine. You can't go anywhere on 35 in traffic. Give me some fucking volume. Let's hear what he's driving. Yeah, well, Jamie's not really a car guy. Driving to the golf course, but like- Yeah. That's once a week. How much better you play? The sound. Look at that fucking car with all the carbon around it. Let me hear it drive. Here it is. Drive it, bitch. Let's go. How have you reacted to that? We'll find out. We'll find out. We'll find out in the video. Oh, why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video of this and not have- Yeah, you want to sell cars or not? Play it for me, please. Here it is. Just click that, though. That's the black one. Oh, there we go. Oh, my dick just got hard. And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it to me for a day, bubba. That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine. Nah, you got to do it. You can get it really loud, but the thing is just that alone. There we go. Come on, dog. Yeah. All right. I mean, it's not bad. Yeah. He's in. Yes. Dude, you don't understand. Oh, cammed out, baby. I feel- Oh, that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts. That's what you want. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack those up above 1,000 all the time. Oh. And it's going to get robbed out here then. No, bubba. No, come on. We're not going to Texas. No. Where are you parking? You going to the ghetto to buy crack? Yeah, I don't drive anywhere. Where's he going? Come on. Where's he going? He's buying crack. You live in a nice place. I don't need it. Are you buying crack? She got covered parking. You don't need it, but it's fun. I just think of Gone in 60 Seconds. When you've got a dope car and people know you've got a dope car and you're seen driving that dope car, they're going to follow you in that dope car with our friend. He got followed. What's wrong with you two? Oh, Julio? What's going to happen? I don't need that. I'm just going to have a fucking dope Tesla. He was in Dallas buying tacos at three in the morning. There's a million Teslas all over the place. Bro, I drive- And he's got a Ferrari. I drive crazy shit. A Ferrari is different than a Cadillac. I've never had- Have you had any issues? Especially out here. No, you can catch an issue every now and then, but the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. You can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your fucking life. It happened on Fifth Street a block away from the club not too long ago. So we got carjacked? Yeah, right in front of Eddie B's. People get carjacked at every stop. City, that's a fact. That's where I live. It does happen. I don't like having targets. That's not where I live. Come on over to the Burbs, dude. So you think if you have one of them Cybertruck- So supposedly Cybertruck is coming out with an SUV. Maybe. I don't know. Allegedly. That'd be cool. Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me shit. He knows I don't have- He won't tell you? I got a big fucking mouth. There's numbers online. People have showed things, but we don't really know what it looks like. What have they showed? Potential. It looks a little bit like the mix between an X and a Cybertruck. See, that would be a smart move for them to make- Make a Cybertruck that's an SUV. It's a smart move, because you already have the shape. Just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using- Yeah, extend the seats. Yeah, have the seats back more, and you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could, or you could just say, fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango, because Stellantis does- Hellcat's back, baby. Those are pretty dope. Hellcat Durangos are pretty dope. The godfather of the Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge. Yes. Thank God. Thank fucking God. Dodge is crushing it. They got silly with that electric thing. They had some French guy running it. Is that what it was? Yeah, and he killed all- He hates America. Facts. That's what it was. Boom. He wanted to destroy America. Facts. That's why he went Poiton to beat Serogon. It was like the most iconic American V8 powered cars were Dodge. Dodge Viper, well, that's a V10. Dodge Viper, you had, but just big engines, right? You had gasoline. Gasoline engines, you had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Redeye. They crushed it, bro. Crushed it. Are they going to discontinue the Challenger? No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So they fucked up and came out with a Challenger, all electric, and it ate- A Charger. Wasn't it a Charger? And a Challenger, too. They did both, right? You can't change- They're coming out with a Charger that's gas powered. Yeah, the Charger's dope. I've seen some reviews of it. They look pretty cool. It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck. Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you think of that? That's not too bad. Oh, okay. It's the 20- It's more of an SUV. Here we go. It's a straight SUV. Look at that, Jamie. Here you go. Those clubs fit in there easily. Yeah, now we're talking. The Durango kept the Dodge afloat. Look at that fucking engine. That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8, like a fucking Hellcat. You're going to come in here with a fucking hairy chest? Fuck yeah, dude. Goddamn American. Yeah. That's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're onto this now. We're onto this. We're onto this. I wasn't- This is also- People love these. This is a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that. Trackhawks are great, dude. There's not that many of them yet, and people are after them. How about you get a Hennessey and tell them to leave the badges off? Hennesseys are so fucking sick. Just have Hennessey do it and leave the badges off. Bro, did you see? It just looks like a regular one, a sleeper. I'd just be worried the whole time. Oh, my God. What world are you living in? Dude, did you see Hennessey did a super duty? Hennessey finally did a full super duty? Fuck, I love it. Hennessey does dope. They do dope shit, dude. They do dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take the Blackwing and fucking- See, that's why with Tubi, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go. They do good. Do you know John? Me and him had a conversation. You should do a show with him. He's great. I want to do a show with him. I want to go to Gunther. Yeah. But John's great. He's up the fucking road. He's great. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine. Me and him had a convo because when I was building my Raptor to get to 1,400 horsepower, I called him. Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. They're great. Peter's very cool, too. Durango smokes his track, Hawk. Yeah, dude. Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat? He started a little fast and he smokes it. Yeah. And that's probably not a Hennessey one. Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat in one of those fucking things. You're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower. They're awesome, Jamie. And it sounds incredible. The Red Interior, it's fucking awesome. Bro, we're salespeople. We're selling Dodge to Jamie. No, that actually might have been. And the track, Hawk, on the right. Okay, whichever one it was. Either way, pick your poison and just fucking get one. I would 100% drive one of those. 100%. Fuck yeah, you would. I might get one, too, if you get one. Shit, make it three. Let's go. Where do you charge it? Let's go. Charge it. How dare you? You son of a bitch. How the fuck do you do that? You know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. I was on the phone with him when I came to the studio. He told me that gas is $7.90 a gallon in L.A. right now. And that's down from what it was. I was out there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up to $8.40-something. Here's what I don't understand. Are we getting oil from Iran? No. That's what- So maybe 3% or 4% is from Iran. So are they just fucking us in the ass? Yeah. They just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war, we can increase the gas price, so we all just go along with it. Is that real? Is that real, or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go, and so they need to make that money? So they just, fuck you. Isn't it funny? They're like, we're going to make money no matter what. Yeah. The American people are going to lose money, so we make the same amount of money. And also- Fuck you. You need oil. My whole thing is, even when we go to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like, how much fucking money do they need? They're all rich anyway. American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply, plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining distribution. In Texas, biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran war. But what if we got all our oil from America? Which we can do. Well, if we did that, why would oil go up? Because, look, American fuel prices are tied to global oil markets. We would just start selling it. That's stupid. Yeah. The market. Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch of crooks. Yes. We should have a national oil company and only sell in America. Keep it in-house. Yeah. Yeah. So no matter what foul shit we do outside the world, They can still sell wherever they want. Yeah. Even though U.S. is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price. And it fucks us. So high world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President, please fix that. Fucking tax them. I don't know if he can do that. They'll kill him. They tried to kill him three times already. You try to fuck with that oil money, and all of a sudden, President J.D. is crying on TV. J.D.? I'm going to miss Donald. He was a great mentor to me, and I didn't always agree with everything he said. And I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus. Dude, what the fuck are you doing? Hey, you know what's crazy to me? There's been like three legit assassination attempts, and it's in the news two, three days, and we're just like, yeah, it's crazy, and we move on. Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack J.D. You remember that guy? I know. Yeah, see? I know. I'm part of the problem. This guy showed up. I think it was at the White House. I think some guy showed up at the White House. You see this guy who just got killed or got shot in Cambridge? So this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three years ago, went to jail for three years, got out, and was walking down the street in Cambridge, just unloading his gun on passerbys. Pop, pop, pop, pop. Yeah, just shooting random people on the street. This guy had gotten in a shootout with the cops. Only did three years. That's insane, dude. He had a shootout with the cops. I think 20 bullets were exchanged, and he only did three years. Bro, here's the other problem. As I saw, they took, again, whoever's doing these polls, you've got to be an idiot to get stopped on the street and do the polls. Look at this guy. This is wild. He's just walking down the street shooting at cars. Bro, by the way, I'm running that guy over. Oh, a thousand percent. Especially for my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not going to mess up my car. That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was. In Cambridge, though, I'd probably go to jail for life. A hundred percent. You're fucked. Yeah. For defending the public. But I saw a survey that said one in four Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake. I wonder what percentage think the world's flat. One in four. Yeah, the people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the president would let some guy know. So dumb. So dumb. That is in the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life. That guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody that thinks that that staged is out of their fucking mind. Or the guy that the correspondent who rushed in. Yeah. They think that's fake. It's like, hold on. So you think this guy who's a teacher, educated, clearly kind of had his shit together, threw away his life? Well, Tim Burchette, who I have. I had on the podcast, the congressman. Yeah. He thinks that guy was like some sort of an MKUltra type deal. And he says he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that. I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal. I'm sure he has way better points than me. But if they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Manson, the Unabomber, you think it stopped? Right. And you don't think they've gotten better with it? Exactly. So you just think they're like, okay, the public knows we're going to shut this down. No, dude. Yeah. They just, they expand. It gets better and better and better. For sure, they're still doing that. And that could have been Thomas Crooks, too. The guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Yep. That one was weird as fuck. That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no social media. Black rock ties. And have you heard anything about him? Nope. Gone. How weird is that, dude? Vanished like. What about the Charlie Kirk guy? What about the guy who killed Charlie? Right. We haven't heard anything. One interview with him. Is that not weird, dude? It's super weird. Nearly one-third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least. 30%. At least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were staged. Wow. I've done 54%. For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure. 54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure. And that's the problem. Only 38% of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking ruining people's brains. That's the fucking problem. Rotting their fucking brains out from inside their heads. I know. It's not good, dude. Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok, it's all like traditional dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects. Yeah. It shuts down for kids after 10 p.m. Yeah. And like Americans, have fun. Yeah. They are. They'll rot your brains. They're doing such a great job. Crush it. And then they sold it, right? So they sold it to that American company, and they're just going to continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most. Make the most amount of money, which is rotting people's brains out. Don't give a fuck. Wouldn't it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you, and what we're going to do is promote exceptional people doing exceptional things? Don't you think they would get more users? Because as a dad, I'd be like, okay, you guys can have TikTok. There's some rules there. It's an educational thing. Now, not a fucking chance, dude. No, it wouldn't get more. It would. Everyone would go right over to Instagram, which is like, Instagram's all assassinations. What if they did across the board? You would have to have no one cross that picket line, and they all would, because people are addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now. Like, my algorithm is all, like, people fighting in parking lots, and there's so much of that. Man, mine's just trucks, cars, and fucking fights. On Instagram? Yeah. So my problem is, me and Segura. Every day, send each other the worst thing, what we find online. I don't want to start my day like that. I don't. I don't either. I don't either. I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time. And then I'll check my. You've kind of gotten off of it, right? Yeah. It's just so much better. I feel so much better. I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like, what's trending, what's happening. But you're not, like, reading the comments and all that shit? No, no, no. Or mentions? And I don't even go into the news feed, because I used to go into the news feed, but I didn't I find things about me all the time. Like, I don't want to hear what a douchebag I am. Yeah, that's a bummer. Like, come on. I'm not here for that. I know, it sucks. So I can't avoid people getting mad at me, or even saying nice things about me. I don't even want to read that. No. I think what's better is I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. Yeah. So then I'll click on, like, what the fuck is going on? And I'll check that out. Like, that's how I found out about this guy with the gun. And you feel so much better, right? Way better. But I'm also more. More often than not, now, not going there for my news. And I've kind of curated my Google news feed. Smart. to be much more interesting. Like, I get more stories, and it'll show me stories from X. Yeah. So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X. That's cool. to read the story. And did you stop drinking, too? I did, and then I went back. I'm back. How back are you? Not back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. All right. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back. Dude, I've been sober over two years now. That's nice. Almost three. Feel good? Feel great. Never been in better shape. Yeah, it's. I feel fucking awesome. It's definitely better for you. But I do like a glass of wine or two with dinner, and I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then. But I just. I was doing it too much. Me too. And then I recognized, and so I stopped. Yeah, just. It wasn't benefiting me. And then also, you know, I have an addictive personality. Like, if I do something, I got to be all in. Like, on cars, like, literally one day I woke up, I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half of them are trucks, and they're all the same. You know? It's just like, when I get into something, I get so into it. But as I'm getting older, I'm getting better at checking myself. Good. That's good. Getting better at that is very important to managing your life. Grown up. It's really important. It's grown up. Well, it's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all, and then other ones that are really beneficial. So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you. Yeah. Facts. You know, but that's the problem, is that a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're just not good. They're not good at it. And so they just get caught up. It could be anything. Oh. Preach. That's me. But it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff. Correct. Which is weird. You know? Like, if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything, like, there's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time, I probably can't hang out with you. And it's not good. Yeah, not good. Yeah, because that same obsession is what led me, got me to the UFC or football. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. All in on something, I think, is where, that's where obsession can lead. The scary one for me, I think, not for me personally, but when I see it, is gambling. Super scary. Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich, that gamble big numbers. And it freaks me out. Like, big poker games and crazy amounts of money they gamble on stuff. And I was like, I don't like that. But you get your rocks off in other ways. Yeah. And I think for those, like, super rich people, like, that's kind of, like, they can buy any car, they can buy any house or go on any trip. In order to get their rocks off, that's how they do it. Yeah, but it has to be a big number for them to feel it. Because the juice has to be so high. If they bet a hundred bucks on something, they don't even know, that doesn't mean, they might not even cash that ticket. Like, they don't feel it. You know how you and I are similar with obsession. Do your kiddos have that? Do you see it in anything? Oh, yeah. In a positive way? They're super driven. But it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in, and if your parents have. a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind generally speaking that's how your kids come out yeah i think that so when i see shitty kids yeah i generally genuinely think that it's at least part of it is from the parents dude i coach my son's uh baseball and football teams the crazy parents i deal with buddy dude and i it for the kid and i try to talk to the dads because most of them respect me so i'll go hey can i give you some advice man you gotta back off dude but they can't they can't it's that they can't you'd have to change who they are and i tell them i'm like i'm i'm trying to help you out here you're you're you love baseball whatever you love football your son has told me he wants to quit now the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun right he used to love this game when i first got here nothing he loved more than football now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him you fucked up dude and who's he likes football you're you're not gonna be able to watch your kid play football dude could you decide to make it not fun you're gonna fuck up your relationship with your kid facts i don't try i don't force my kids into doing it other than they have to go to school i don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do if they're not interested in it you don't have to do it but find something you are interested in that's my thing whatever you're into let's ride i don't give a fuck what it's just so happens it's baseball football cool let's ride man yeah but if you're gonna do it you gotta do personality for that and that you're very encouraging your kids but you're not you're not it's just it's not you thinking that like your self-worth is not tied up to your kids performance you just want your kids to have fun yep the problem is with some people their kid is almost like their racehorse or something you know what i mean like it's like their it's their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete brother and and now it's worse because especially in base right it's like uh it's it's a business now it's over a billion dollar business so now it's like there's these travel ball when i was a kid you have to be really fucking good well now every parent wants to say their kids travel ball so there's the majors and there's two teams of the majors there's three triple a three double a three single a i just want my i don't need the best 10 year old i just want him playing so i don't give up he made the majors team i don't give a fuck it's majors triple a wreck we're playing wherever have fun have fun and apply yourself to something and apply yourself and i don't give a fuck whether what level we're at we'll play at all and some of the parents i'll come back from a tournament like oh you played double a i'm like yeah it's baseball man you what you think he can only play majors so what i can sit around the cool with a water cooler and brag to you guys i don't give a crazy that people will like talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids oh it's like what do you but you know that's the it's like stage moms you know there's a thing like that with actors to your point yeah again he's tired of it he's tired of it up in there but they what they don't realize is they're fucking it all up oh yeah it's all gonna get fucked i've seen that with a lot of young uh actors where their parents were like super involved in their career and then the kid just did not want to do it anymore and generally like i've seen it a few times and one of them that i know really well where the parents stole money from the kid fuck dude yes he stole like six million dollars i'll tell you who it is after the show that's terrible oh it's awful it's awful it's like devastated him to find out but it's like the kid is a piggy bank they quit working they relied entirely on the kid the kid's acting and the kid's pressure on the kid 10 oh i gotta afford all this so we can fucking live and i'm nine not only that but then you know the kid starts feeling like hey this is my fucking money yeah i'm the fucking man yeah i can't have cereal go fuck yourself he's the boss yeah i mean he he had problems with it too they all have problems with it and then on top of that it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10 years old and they're like oh my god i'm not a man horrible and also for pretending horrible famous for pretending that's what how's that gonna affect your personality yeah well there's a lot of parents out there man they're just um but i don't understand you're you're developing a human being and one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well correct they're fucking nuts or the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played right and they're like man you'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent and then it's they're the worst did your get into cars you big time oh that's nice big time gotta teach them how to drive so they don't do something stupid when they get old that's what i tell them all the time all the fucking time yeah don't oh no they're gonna learn how to drive a manual it's the easiest way to do your car jamie you want to make sure your car doesn't get stolen by a manual the criminals these days don't drive one sure oh he's gonna burn that clutch look at him i haven't done in a long time you could figure it out yeah especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day perfect candidate i just don't want to do it right now i don't want to do it right now i don't want to do it right now i don't want to do it right now i don't want to do it right now i don't want to do it right now uh it's disappointing yeah no my kids know their right there yeah i mean there's another there's so many other cars in the world it doesn't have to be that one what do you like i don't that's what i don't i'm not driving anywhere we know you like track okay okay okay but let's just put all that aside what what cars do you look at you oh i like that or do you look at a car that you like and go that's a target no it's a if it's one i like it ends up honestly being like uh like an x6 somewhere in that range x5 x6 amg gle okay now we're talking like that i don't know yeah there's somewhere in there those are i'll tell you what looking whoever made the new grills on the bmw should be dick slap into the hospital like like what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grills and they hit like the m4s like blah yeah what did you do it's they they're just trying to switch it up you know and they miss but they fucking let that go through bring that up with that the only one that looks good or looks decent is the 7 series there's something about the proportions of the 7 series with that big grill it doesn't bother me that m2 is fucking tasty too though okay that's dope those things you cook but they didn't get it goofy with the grills yeah come the fuck on with that they've sort of fixed it as time's gone by but it's still got a big gap like that's yeah i don't like it the earlier ones were the grossest ones but look at that right there with the lower i'm sorry the that one's good but the left one the white one the white one yeah that's it look at that's perfect that's perfect that's pretty that's perfect do you still have the m5 uh no but i do have uh the e46 m3 oh yeah those are cool the 2005 that was fucking awesome that one's fucking great that was literally a perfect car that's a great car like like that one that one's gross that grill the lower right one the bronze colored one black yeah my brother has that new m2 manual and that thing fucking oh m2s are amazing those are amazing the bmw to their credit is still making manual transmissions which is a little better do they make a manual in the m5 they don't right i don't think so i think the m5 is only does it make a manual the m5s are so heavy now that's their issue yeah it's like manuals not the first thing coming up yeah i don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore see if it says manual transmission that one's automatic yeah i think they make the m4 manual yeah oh six speed but that's the e60 v10 that's an old one those are dope the v10s are cool v10s they sound amazing yeah they sound amazing my uh e46 is not that fast there it is that's old yeah yeah so the last that's those are the last ones they made in the manual but my e46 is small it's it that's what you want it doesn't weigh a lot it handles really good it's got hydraulic steering manual transmission and you know it's a dynan so it has a supercharger on it so it's a little faster so it's like 400 something horsepower but monster dude it's just fun it just you feel it while you're driving it and they look weird and i was trying to track that said that when that were unless there's only two vehicles here was the same might be it might be just not an american thing does that make no those are old no i know i'll tell you what i saw oh that they so put put in 2026 bmw m5 manual i just saw that we got two versions of the bmw m5 with a manual that the rest of the world missed out on that's what i saw i was clicking on when does that though if you click on it i think 2025 right but i think they're talking about old cars i think they're bmw still has two versions they're talking about older cars bmw still has great interiors too oh yeah some manufacturers still fucking do it right bmw does it right they're they're really good it's a solid car then the m the new m5 even if it isn't a manual is a fucking screamer of a car they're monsters yeah but they have to make them hybrids now i know it's because of all the fucking all the environmental trump got rid of the the engines the engine start you know how when you stop oh that's good yeah that's i don't like that drives me nuts and i don't like that in some cars i have to press the don't do that at every red light don't do that i hate it don't do that hate it you're not saving anything all you're doing is cooking my starter yeah because the starter's gonna start how crazy trump was like i'm getting rid of that it's so annoying parking next to one of these oh boy those are cool in person they're really nice oh those are dope that's a beautiful car why don't you get one of them well what's up i don't know I'm worried about the attention. I just had a tire problem. I didn't go that far. The Model S tires just fell apart after 10,000 miles. I know. That was weird. The way your tires fell apart was weird. That didn't make any sense because he said he had a flat tire, and then he got a look at it, and it was like there's the wires around. He'd worn down the tread at 10,000 miles. Well, that's the problem with electric cars because they're so heavy, so you're going through tires faster. But I didn't think it would be that fast. 10,000 miles is crazy. Jamie might be driving like a maniac. Fucking nutty. I bet he is. I bet he's going sideways. The wire, dude. You know how ratchet you got to be to wear down to the wire? I think it's the weight. Yeah, it's the weight. Because we looked it up, and it was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot. A little more lead foot. Lead foot, Jamie. Just a sign to get out of the electric car. As he gets older, we're still calling him lead foot, Jamie. These are dope. Aston Martins are dope. Fuck yeah, bud. Now we're talking, son. Come on, Jamie. You know some good shit, dude. Here we go. I don't like Blackwing, Cadillac. Okay. Okay, you don't like Cadillac. Okay, that's fine. Aston Martins are fucking awesome. It's fine. Everybody has different tastes. That's fine. As long as you like that. You like something. Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get you Track Hawks. We'll get you Aston Martins. He's got to get something. We got to get him something fun. Let's know the budget, dude. We'll get something. He seems a little hesitant. But he does seem open to it. Yeah. Well, you drove race cars before around the track. Yeah, that's fun. That's fun. I do that all the time. But you could buy a car that you can drive your own. We're going to have a studio at the track. It's more fun to not drive your own race car. That's true. That's true. You don't worry about fucking it up. That's a good point. So your show's on Tubi. Show's on Tubi. Gearhead's gone wild. There's four episodes. And are you releasing new ones? You can binge watch all four of them right now. And then if the four do well, they're going to order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessy, Guns to Works. I got some big boys lined up. And how long are each show? I think they're like 28 minutes each. Yeah. OK, cool. And it's Gearhead's gone wild. Yes, they're on Tubi. On Tubi. Yep. So it might be the first time I ever go to Tubi. I've never been to Tubi. Please do, buddy. I'd only heard about it like a year ago. I just found out about it three months ago. I just can't believe it has that many fucking people viewing it. When they're like, we got a buyer at Tubi, I'm like, OK, let's fucking do it. They've been awesome. That's great. It's easy to watch. Yeah. Well, someone's going to be watching it if it's that many people. But it sounds awesome, dude. It's fine, man. I'm glad you're doing something that you enjoy. I definitely will. Yeah, I love cars. 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