#2463 - Steve-O

[MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> Yeah. >> You don't know when it's going to fuck it. What's up, dog? >> Well, dude, it's been a roller coaster for me, man. >> Since the last time I saw you? >> A big time. >> The year of 2022, last time I saw you, I think it was 2023. >> What's it that long ago? >> I think it was, man. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And, man, I was on high, the year of 2022, like we had our Jackass movie and theaters, number one, the big, like, you know, my profile was all, you know, like, white and white, the world just opened up from the pandemic and everybody had stimulus money and there were just revenge spending. Everyone wanted to go out to shows and there were no interest rates. Money was free. It was just like a perfect storm for me to have the most successful year of my life. Like, more than double what my next most successful year was. And then, like, I don't know, maybe I just got like super, super high on that, you know, like, and it was just like, I was just kind of printing money, you know, like selling merch, like crazy, and like, everything was just going so well. And, I don't know if maybe you become more successful and like, people get angry at you, you know what I'm saying? But there's a point, like a point after that where I felt like, man, the internet turned on me kind of, you know, like I saw a lot of negative comments, people saying that all, like, all I do is promote merch, you know, like there was, there was a bunch of different stuff and I legitimately agree, that's my thing is when I see negative comment about me, if I agree with it, then it really bothers me, you know, and I got to do something about it, you know, I think, and I've heard you say that, that, you know, that taking criticism constructively is like super helpful. It's very helpful. The problem with the internet is, it's overwhelming. It's too many voices, too many different people. That's why I would never recommend for a person like you to even read the comments. Right. What I did was, do you have a dick tattooed on your right hand? Is that what that is? That's exactly what I'm going to have to keep that for. I don't have to keep it for any amount of time, but. Is that better or anything? I mean, it is a bet. How long has it last before I get it? Lasered off. And is there a money value to this bet? No, it's more of an experiment. Oh. But I've been doing really well with it. It's not even a good dick. It's like a weird dick, like a banana dick. It's pretty awesome. Are you about to take criticism? It was done by a post-mellon. Oh. It makes it even better. It makes it awesome. Yeah. I don't expect to keep it forever, but I was very shocked when I got it that my life didn't really change a whole lot. Yeah. It's you. You know what I mean? Like if. You know. I mean, you know, I mean, I think I'm going to have to do that. I think I'm going to have to do that. I mean, it was it was an exercise in promoting his beast games on prime, which by the way is the most phenomenal TV show that I've ever watched. Yeah, my daughter was just telling me about it. She was saying it's so good. It is unbelievably good. And I'm not being paid so much. He's a wizard, man. That dude's very smart. Yeah, I got to be. He's like a really interesting guy because he's kind of open about what he does and he tells people how to do it. Right. You know, like how to manipulate the algorithm and how to get people to get excited and click on your link based on images and the text says and he thinks about all that shit. Yeah. I was able to have him on my podcast, like right when the thing came out. And he was telling me that he was pretty close to recording a podcast with you on the top of the pyramid. Yeah. I couldn't make it out there. Right. I didn't have the time. Yeah. He's amazing. And I thought when that thing came out, I was like, man, this is just going to like be life often. Well, there's the thing. People got mad at him. They got mad at him when he was filming in Egypt because he was filming with Zahee Hawas. And Zahee is the, what is the head of the ministry of antiquities? Is that what it is? Or he was at one point in time. He was one of, you know, my most controversial podcast guests. People did not like him. Wow. He's kind of, he pushes a narrative in defiance of all the evidence that has been sort of uncovered by all these other people. It's like there's this evidence that shows that, you know, the pyramids are going to be killed by these guys. Okay. So you're not talking about these guys. You know, Mr. Bees. Cosmestribes did something with him and a lot of people on lot of mad at him for having this guy on Zahee Hawas. And it's the guy who pushed out. Like nobody knows how they built the pyramids. And he's like, they built it because it was a national project. And I was like, come on, bro. Like that's a fun thing to say, but that doesn't tell me how they got all those rocks there. How they got two million, three hundred thousand stones that went between two and like 80 tons. And they moved into the mountains. Some of them 500 miles away. Like tell me how they did that. Tell me how they aligned it to true north, south, east and west. Four thousand five hundred plus years ago. And it's more likely plus than minus. I mean, nobody knows. So he, so that was really controversial. A lot of people mad at Mr. Bees for that. What in the like the algorithm that I have, people who go on a chill and letting this guy say nonsense on your show. Wow. Okay. So that's the point. It's like, don't listen. Right, right, right. Don't he give you shit? No, none of Mr. Bees' fans like we're going to abandon him. Yeah, saw he a lost hog. He's beating out propaganda. Kill me, kill me, cares. There's just too many voices. And if you look at yourself, if you feel like kind of hoaring out my merch too much, just back off of it. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. He gets shit for everything because he's Uber successful. Right. So everything he does, like it could be like, can we give away a million dollars from charity? Like, it's fucking ridiculous, man. Like they'll never make all those people happy. They don't want to be happy. That's a big part of what's going on. You're jumping into a pool of mentally ill people and trying to stay clean. They'll wash it. Hey, God, God, God, God, let's be reasonable. They're not reasonable. They're fucking suicidal. They know what a gun tastes like. They've had it in their mouth recently. This is not a place where you're going to get like, right, discourse. Right. But again, it's when I agree with stuff that bothers you. Right. But do that to yourself. Right, right. Just look at yourself. Take a moment. I don't know if I was burned out, like if I was touring, but like, there was a point going through 2022 in particular, 2023, where like, I just, I would lose my mind over people being disruptive in the audience at my shows. Like, I don't even want to call them hecklers because I think like, heckler has like a connotation of witness to it. I'm talking about just drunk shits, just yelling, yelling out and disrupting the show. And I would take the position, I'd be like, man, you know, this whole audience of people paid their hard earned money to come see this show. And this one person yelling out is just fundamentally disrespecting everybody who's here and I'm not standing for it. I'm trying to hire you now. Right. And I would be like, I would snap. I would be throwing people out. What happened was everybody thought I was a dick, you know, and like, maybe so, like maybe when I was burned out and it was like, you were overreacting. Overreacting. And like, that's another piece of criticism that I really, really took to heart. And now it's been over two years, like well over two years since I even scolded an audience member. That's cool. That's great. And I'm going to put that energy out there at the beginning. We're all here to have a good time. You know, we're all here to have a good time. Let them know. It's like, like if someone's yelling out, like, come on, man, keep it to yourself. Stay, stay, go. All right. They're holding it together. If I get like really pushed from it in a grigous situation, the farthest I'll go is I'll say, hey, you know what, guys, I used to get really bent out of shape over people being disruptive. But I don't do it anymore. And that tends to, and as soon as I stopped reacting so much, I was like, I'm going to get the problem out of it. Well you got to realize like your entire career, you've kind of been a disruptor. Sure. So it's kind of naturally that disruptive people would be attracted to come to your show. Of course. Of course. And then you're saying, please be polite at this moment in time. Right. Yeah, like you're about to see me put some things up my butt and I demand respect. Was that what you're doing in your show? You put stuff up your butt? Wait, it's a multimedia show. So it's like it's. Of course you put something up, it's multimedia, I mean that. So I'm exploring, Tori, Jamie. What's with the questions, Jamie? Oh, God. Right. But I still to this day cringe when Tim Kennedy choked you unconscious and then let you drop. I wasn't mad at him. Yeah, that was mad at him. He didn't have to let you drop like that. I did ask him to drop me, which one? I would have said no. Yeah. I was said no. If you made me do that too, first of all, I would have tried to talk you out of it. But then I would have said there's no way I'm going to let you drop. In hindsight, it wasn't particularly funny. Not only was it not funny, it was like super disturbing. I would have put a cushion on to you at the very least. Right. Like a nice, like one of them judo pads, where you throw people on. Being choked out in and of itself is not bad. Not that bad. It's not really the biggest thing. Probably nothing, that's where. Right. Yeah, I don't know what the data is. I don't think a lot of jiu-jitsu people have done double blind police placebo controlled studies on tap or no tap. What's the best for your brain? Right. I can't think it's good that your brain gets shut off for a few seconds. I can't think it's good, you know? One of the gnarliest things I've ever done in my life, if not the gnarliest, way back in 2003, we had just had the first Jackass movie come out. While filming for the first Jackass movie, one of the bits that it was never used because it was too dark. Too far? Too far? For Jackass? For Jackass. Right. Do you have a clip of this? Of what? I'm sure that it exists. Okay. But you'll appreciate this. The legend's gene lebel. Oh, judo gene. judo gene, the legend. Real legend. Yeah. He had gene lebel, they lined up the whole cast of Jackass and he just went down the line. Just choked it off? Yeah. And like the swiftness with which he got-- He was a brutal man. I mean, it was just like-- Yeah. Super nice guy, but a brutal man. Right. And it wasn't even brutal though. It was like general. Oh really? I mean, it was just so fast. It was just cruel. His style was known for being particularly painful. My friend Silvio Pimenta was one of his students and he was one of my first jujitsu instructors and he taught me a bunch of gene stuff and I was like, "Oh, what a mean guy." So, the stuff was so mean. It was like knuckles in your neck and like a real crazy shit that gene would do to people. Yeah. So like particularly pain. There you go. There you go. Out cold. Oh yeah, that looks gentle. Super gentle. No, I'm not even kidding. Like the way he's doing it. I mean, he's this technique is so flawless. No, that Chuck Lidell was really good at it too. He checked out one time. So. So who did he punch? Who did he punch in the arm? Full blast. Someone like that. One of you guys. Oh, that would have been before Jackass. Was it Jason Ellis? I forget who it was, but someone let Chuck full blast right hand them in the arm. I'm like, well, that arm's useless for a couple of months now. That's not like your buddy punching you in the arm versus Chuckle. He's got to rip some stuff apart in there. Yeah. He might blow your shoulder out. Like that's crazy to let that guy hit you. Yeah, what a sweetheart too. Oh, he's a great guy. Chuck was the weirdest because when he was in his prime, like you look at him, he was so scary because he's tall. He was fucking building a brick shit house. Mohawk tattoo in his head. Super kind. Like you talked him. Super calm and relaxed. And. He spent a bunch of time with great fucking guy, great fucking guy. Okay. So Jean LeBalde, like choke, just lays us all down one by one. Okay. Like they consider it too dark. They didn't even like just because he went unconscious. Yeah, just like what year was this? In 2002 that we've been used to being choked out yet. You actually didn't really get big until 2005. Right. Because of Chuck. Really? Yeah. And well, it was really because of Stefan Bonner and Forest Grisha. Right, right, right, right. That one fight on the old. That's crazy. One fight on the ultimate fighter changed the course of the history of the sport. That was the premiere on Spike. Uh-huh. Because it was a good fight before that. Diego Sanchez beat Kenny Florian. So that was before that. That was a really good fight too. And then, but, but that was like, you know, Diego beat his ass. Whereas the Stefan Bonner Forest Grisha fight was a crazy like, like completely even fight. Yeah. And two dudes who knew each other really well, they were fucking going for it. They said that during the time, you know, like maybe a million people were watching it at first and the peak was like six or seven million, which for them was nuts. So what that meant was everybody was calling their friend and go, dude, turn on Spike TV right now. Right. This is crazy. And like, what is this? Like, no one knew what it was back then. Like they had heard a hoist Gracie, but no one knew that it was going to be on TV and they're like, boom, that was it. And then they had Chuck as the champion, which was the perfect champion for an emerging sport. This guy was just a seeking destroy psychopath with a tattoo like Congee tattoo on his head and a Mohawk's fucking starching people. Woo. I remember that air time. Wild time. I mean, you're 2000 was when Jack has came out on MTV. And I mean, at that time, you couldn't watch video on the internet. That was the dark times. That was when it was banned from cable and you could only watch, I got direct TV because there's the only way you could watch the UFC. Yeah. Because why I got direct TV. And the media just wasn't so fragmented at that time. There were only so many TV channels. There was no social media, no video on the internet. Right. So when something hit on a basic cable, it hit big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it was the most, the most concurrent viewers on MTV that we got was like 4.5 million. So, and that, for cable, that's a lot. That moved the needle in a big way. That's unheard of now. Right. Which is really kind of crazy if you think about it. Yeah. So much things have gotten diluted because there's so many show. It's impossible to watch everything. Right. Every time I turn on Apple TV, there's some new interesting show. Yeah. And a million of them on Amazon Prime that you've never even heard of that are really good. They're all over the place. Right. You know, I had a really great conversation with Mark McGrath, the guy from Sugar Ray. Oh, really? Yeah. I just fell in love with this guy. Had him on my podcast. And he made such a valid point about how the 90s, 90s nostalgia is so rad because it was really the last time when everybody watched the same shows on TV together. Right. You know, like all the albums came out on the Tuesday or like whatever. Like everything, it was a communal audience for everything. Right. You don't have that anymore. There's only one UFC 326 this Saturday and on Draft King Sportsbook, the number one sports book for live betting. Once it's over, your shot to get in on the action is gone. Draft King Sportsbook is built for live betting, not just pre-fight picks because in the UFC, one moment can flip the entire fight, one punch, one kick, one take down. New to Draft King's new customers can bet just five bucks and get $200 in bonus bets if your bet wins with the code Rogan. 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Yeah. You know, like I remember, I was headed to a gig with this dude, God, I wish I could remember his last name. But he was really funny. Johnny something, fuck. I'll remember it eventually. But we were on our way to this comic from Connecticut. We were on our way to a gig together and he's like, have you heard of the brand new Hevis? And I go, no, who are they? He goes, it's a jazz band and they linked up with a bunch of rappers and made this Hevis rhyme experience album. It was fucking incredible. I'm like, I would have never found out about this. It's sick. Oh, it's sick, dude. There's one with a gang star that's great. It's getting hectic. It's fucking great. Because it's like, you got this music that's like this like real live band music. Sort of like how that tiny desk show does it now. See, I don't even know the tiny desk. But like, you got like cool, edgy rap. Oh, cool, cool, gee rap. That's it. Johnny Rizzo. How did you do that? That's right. How the fuck did you do that? Shout out to Johnny Rizzo. Is he around still? He was a funny dude. He had like a rubber face. The dude could make the craziest faces. It was so funny. Yeah. Back to the choking out thing. I think the reason why it was a dark and disturbing. Because you guys were twitching when you got to choked out your twitching. And that's a little bit up. That's just waking up. It's a little bit upsetting. That's hilarious. All the shit you guys did that they left in. Well, yeah. And another big problem is that with the choking out, it's particularly imitatable. That's something that we don't like. If it's something that little kids could like pretty easily imitate, then that's more problematic for us. But in that whole experience, Ryan Donne just came away feeling qualified to start choking people out himself. Oh no. I don't know the Ryan Donne had any kind of combat sports background. I kind of doubt it. I think it was literally just from this one experience with Gene LeBel, kind of watching it happen. And he was just trying to make the experience himself. He just started choking people out. And back then, I had a wildly different style of tour. But I was on tour nonetheless. And Ryan Donne would be with me on tour. He would say to the audience, "Who wants to get on stage and get choked out?" And even back then, I was like out of my mind on drugs. And I was like, "Please don't be doing this." You really bothered me. It made me so uncomfortable. I would leave the stage when Ryan Donne was choking out audience members. Oh, that's so crazy that they signed up for that. Right. People would be jumping up and down. Like, please, please, please. Did he let them down? He didn't drop them down. He did let them down. That's very kind of him. But it bothered me so much until the one day when I had been on cocaine for like three days in a row. And I was feeling a little bit self-conscious about how little, like, very intense footage that I had been generating. And I was like, "You know what? Today's my day. Ryan Donne choked me out." And so he did it once. And then he did it again. We spent a little holiday. Six times in a row. And each time it became more like a violent throwing me down. So that's number two. It seems like he's having fun with your body after it's out. He sort of just ragdolling you. Yeah. Dude. Six of them. In one day. That's too much. Oh my god. The last one. Oh, imagine that rarely happens in training. Actually, you tap out. Yeah. After this one, I think there's two more. The last one is just so upsetting. This one? Yeah, it's the one where he threw me on my head. Oh, dude. Yeah, like right. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I landed right on my face, dude. Fuck, man. Why did you do that? I'd be because it wanted it to be more exciting. I think that it did like- In the cocaine. Yeah. There was cocaine falling out of my nose in the shot. Because I put it there. It needs to suck my- [coughing] Right. It's, I think that's probably the narliest thing. Yeah. But in any case, so- Did you get hurt from that at all? I think I had a broken tooth. The repeated tooth. Oh, from falling your face. Yeah. Did you get hurt at all from the repeated chokings? I don't think so. No. It's pretty amazing, given what I've put myself through. Oh, incredible. Both professionally and personally. I have good recall. I've put pretty- How many times did Johnny Tommy's been knocked out on "Cardia 16 Times"? How many times do you think- No, I'm not at that level. I got knocked out in the WWE ring on Monday Night Raw. This was a heavy one, man. Which he hit with. It was an elbow that really put me out. Who hit you? The Maga. This is the cause of his fight or name and the WWE was the Samoan bulldozer. Bro Samoans got some happy bones. Yeah. You don't get it by Samoan? Yeah. I mean, dude, I bet you can bring that one up. It's really good news. The Monday Night Raw, Steve O. and Chris Ponyas. We were promoting the second Jackass movie. So we're going to get in the ring. We're getting in the ring. We're doing a home match. And it's fascinating the way that they block out what the matches are. It's kind of like a jam band. You know, like a jam band that you've got the kind of ten pole moments and then you just kind of fill it in. But it's like, this is going to happen, this is going to happen, this is going to happen. And what was to be the last move, it's called a splash, where this 350 pound Samoan bulldozer is going to jump off the top rope and with me laying on the ground and like body slam, you know, off the top rope. But what I didn't understand, what I didn't know, is that the match for it to be over, that means the person who lost, like stops moving. You know, like not the only way. Well, you're not supposed to move around after that. Oh, you moved around. I moved it so like. So he put you to sleep. Like he jumped off the top rope and it was such a devastating blow that it could not but react. You know, I was like, oh, you know, like, whoa, like in a laughing and rolling around, like I can't even believe it. And he's looking at me like, oh, now I'm disrespecting him because I'm moving around. So he hits me again. And I'm confused because I understood that what just happened was supposed to be the final move. But now he just hit me again. And I'm like, what are you doing? You know, like, but he's like, if I'm going to move around, he's going to keep hitting me. So I told you that. Right. So then he hits me again. And. Yeah, we got pretty radical on. Yeah, there's a kid is this is. He drops his elbow. They didn't even show the end of the match. They went to commercial because it was too dark for the WWE to show. See right there, not supposed to be over, but. But I'm moving around. And so that is. And I was kicking me and I'm like, wait, that dude, I think that elbow was what put me out. And they they cut to the commercial. I don't remember leaving the ring. Wow. Yeah, that elbow looked pretty fucking hard, dude. Yeah, they right there. But it's also all the other banging of your brain. I mean, this is a lot of banging of your brain. The body slams a banging of your brain. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely got a concussion from that one son. Yeah. Those dudes get concussions all the time. You don't think about it because you think, oh, it's wrestling. It's pro wrestling. But just the physical contacts on the void of all those guys. And Hulk Hogan came in here, man. It was one of the saddest things. I'd met him a long time ago in Beverly Hills. I ran into him in front of a cigar bar. I was like, holy shit, he was gigantic. And then I met him the second time when he did, well, I met him another time when he, he and I did a spike TV thing. It was awesome. And then he came in to do the podcast and he had so many back surgeries that he was like six inches shorter. Oh, wow. It was crazy. It was because they have to fuse all of his discs. And he had a cane everywhere, man. He was fucked up. And he said it was from that thing that he would do. We would drop down on his ass with an elbow. So every time he did that, he fucked his back up. I mean, think about how big he was in his prime. Three hundred plus pounds, right? So every time you're dropping down, your body's taking the shock on your ass bone of 300 plus pounds flying through the air and bouncing off the ground. So all of his discs got herniated. You gotta get them all fused. It was horrible, man. Those guys get fucking busted up. The rock is like a weird, he's an outlier because I don't know what kind of physical issues he has, but he doesn't even have any. I got worked out with him. He's mobile. He could do stuff. He looks amazing. So I don't know how he got through that insane long career and not got busted up. Yeah. I feel like a strong called Steve Austin is in reasonably good shape too. I don't know. I don't know about that one, but I know a lot of those guys, man. They leave that career and they have fake hips, fake backs fused. Everybody has something wrong. Yeah. I've been pretty lucky. Like for the most part, I've had some hardware and my ankle. I've had hardware and my collarbone. I had meniscus surgery on my knee. That's it for your knees, just one. Just one. And it was an elective one, too. Like it was a partially torn meniscus. Why'd you decide to get it snipped? Because I was told that it would be better. I don't know. In the long run, my knee would be better for us. Yeah, I had it done on my left knee. And it was pretty good until a skiing accident a few years ago. It's been like irritating the shit out of me since then. None of that a few other little injuries with it. But the thing about it is that cushion, once it's gone, it's gone. It doesn't come back. And that cushion is kind of important. My knee always felt a little loose. That cushion really goes banging around in there. They do replace meniscus. They use cadaver meniscus. But it's not 100%. It doesn't always work. I don't know. I think they have to cut the entirety of your meniscus out and put up cadaver one in there. And then sew it in place. Recovery from that meniscus surgery was rough. Really? Yeah, like that. I thought that was one of the easiest ones. For me, man, my knee really hurt for quite a while. Were you doing anything for it? How long ago? In 2006, so what you said? Oh, well, not that. How long was it? The meniscus was recent. That was 23. Oh, okay. Well, get on some peptides. That'll probably help it. I was. I was doing peptides. Yeah. Donald Cironi. Oh, there you go. He got me dialed in with the folks at Transcend. Right. He works with those guys. Right. And that's how you got super jacked after you retired. Right. I just travel so much that like all of these things that need to be refrigerated here, traveling with the ice pack. And that was like, I get it. It's just like kind of too much. I just like. You know what a simple solution though is? What's that? Just get yourself like one of them little Yeti thermoses. Put some ice in there and put your peptides in there throwing your bag. Simple. That's it. Okay. It keeps it cold, seals up. Right. Right. I was doing testosterone too. You stopped? I did. Why did you stop? I just kept forgetting. I was like, oh. And I didn't. I mean, I don't want to say I didn't notice anything because there are different things going on in my life that I could have attributed. See, but like having stopped taking it. I don't notice really any difference. And did you get your blood work done before you took it? Like, dad, I got my blood work done by the folks at Transcend. Right. And you know, they prescribed it to me. What did they say your levels were? I think my testosterone was like 300. That's pretty low. Yeah. It's on the low end of the normal. There's stuff called, you know, need to take in peptides. But there's other stuff you could take that could ramp up your natural testosterone. Right. And more like strength training too. And I know that that does it. Yeah, that does it. Yeah. There's a bunch of different things like dead lifts and squats. They ramp up your testosterone, especially zircher squats. I could certainly get back into all that because I love the idea of like being super healthy longevity. Yeah, it's good for you. Feel better. Feel better. Think better. Yeah. And my baseline's pretty good too. Like, I've got my wound band and, you know, seeing you with a wound is kind of hilarious. I'm a little concerned about my health. I love it. I'm sorry to all my actions for the past 40 plus years. Right. I love it so much. And it's great. Right. You get so much data going off your sleeping well. What's your HRV like? I don't know. I don't have a more than one in a while. Right. Because it's pretty good. Like today I'm 113 HRV. I don't know if that's good. Is that good? It's super good. Yeah. And like that's awesome. My average is like 90. I don't know. That's great, man. So you're working out. Yeah. Take care of myself. Boy, those blows to the head, son. Yeah, for sure. As far as you get older, it seems like a lot of people only get older. They're really hard to recover from. Right. Yeah. The last Jackass movie we did, the fourth one, Jackass Forever. They had this huge treadmill. It's like treadmill for horses. And they got us, they got to just hum and all of us, they got a bunch of us, the cast, dressed up in marching band, like with marching band. And like for marching, playing our instruments, and one by one we jump on this treadmill. Right. And it was hilarious. But dude, I got knocked out so cold. I wonder if you could bring that up, Jamie. Like I was out out for like a, you know, probably maybe the longest ever. How did you get knocked out? What happened? I hit my head. Did that fail? Like as I got spit off the end of this treadmill. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. You just kind of jumped on it. So it looks like Knoxville went for it. Oh my God. Oh my God, dude. So everyone is awake and I am like super not awake at all. Oh, Knoxville's bleeding from the head. Yeah. You guys are so ridiculous. What a silly way to make a living. Yeah. Don't do that anymore. Yeah, that. Oh boy. Yeah, that was, that might have been my worst concussion. But there's been, there's been like more than that even, you know, not 16, but. The one that hurt me the most was Johnny Knoxville when he was in that store and butterbeam beat him up. Yeah. Oh my God. That was crazy. That one bothered me. Because if you know how hard butterbeam hits, that's just a silly thing to sign up for. That guy beat the shit out of you. And then even after he's down, butterbeam, how to get back up and put him away. Like don't let him do that. Right. Especially butterbeam, man. That guy. There's a highlight reel of input and giant men to sleep. Right. You know, I do not want that guy punched you on the chin. Talk about sweethearts too, man, what butterbeam. Yeah, up until that moment. Right. This is a thing with those guys though. They're so accustomed to hurting people. Yeah. You want to sign up for this? You sure? I'm sure. Okay. Right. And they're just going to do to you what they've done to a bunch of other people that decided to box them. Yeah. Man, looking at that trip, that really was gnarly. No, I was. Not good. I mean, you were flying through the air and landed on your fucking head. Not good. Yeah, good. Yeah, that guy. That's probably why you forget to take your peptides. That's they I've read a story about Jim McMahon, the football player. And that's his name, right? The guy from the Chicago Bears. Yeah, Jim McBarrick was the quarterback, right? Yeah, the quarterback. And I think it was a sports illustrator article and they were talking about it. He can't remember anything. He'll be standing in the middle of his living room, not knowing why he's there, where he was going. Doesn't know where his keys are. Doesn't know where his phone just like can't. It's just like hurt. Like it just blacks out, comes back, blacks out, comes back. You'd imagine that that would be more for like linemen because every single play. Those days though, the quarterbacks got taken out back in those days. That's the 80s. You got to think how much harder the game was, but I'm not obviously not a football, aficionado or expert by any means. But from what I've been told, the rules are much more favorable today to protect the quarterbacks. Right. And those dudes got it. And it's not just that, man. It's also all the different years you played. Those all count. Like just because you're only getting knocked out a couple of times as a professional in the NFL, what about all the times you got knocked out in high school? What about all the times you got knocked out in college? Those guys, man, I have a massive amount of respect for football players. I mean, I've watched a lot of high school games in Texas and I watched a lot of college games at UT. And it is a fucking brutal sport. I mean, it's no wonder that's the American pastime. Could it is a psychotic fucking sport? I love it. It's fun to watch, man. I've become a fan. What really, I think, was the smartest thing the NFL did. They got into the routine with the NFL YouTube channel. At the conclusion of every game, they upload a video to YouTube, which is a condensed version of the game that runs anywhere from like 10 to 15 minutes. So you can watch super digestible, more than highlights, like more than sports center, but like, you're only seeing the awesome stuff. Man was involved in Nexus. This is one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history. Oh. He's got slammed after the play. After the play slammed on his head. Yeah. That's crazy. I think this ended his season, this play. I don't know which game of the year it was, but that's not cool, man. Look at him. Oh, my God. That's crazy that they do did that. And what did he get like a one game penalty or something? Back then. Back then it was probably pretty good. Yeah. Back then they probably gave him extra steroids. Good job. But I hope this reaches the NFL when I say this. Is that as much as, and by the end of the season, whatever it was, 2023, 2024, like I was so invested because I was watching these digestible YouTube videos. By the time the playoffs rolled around, I was subscribed to every single different platform because now, like, the states are so high, I got to watch the whole game. Like they really converted me. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it was the smartest thing I did. That's wise. I mean, because you think about there's a lot of downtime and football, in which I play, a lot of this, a lot of that. People talk. The best thing, but I have a really, really important thing that I want the NFL to know is that they were the thumbnails. A lot of the times gave away the outcome of the game. And this was a problem that the UFC had for a while. Like, I would be doing my shows, especially if I'm in a comedy club. I've got the second show on Saturday night. So I've missed the whole pay-per-view event. Now I get back to my hotel room and I'm going to watch everything the whole thing. But then when I go into the video on demand and the thumbnail shows like the winner of the main event, like, celebrating, you know, like it's like, "Oh, so I reached out to Dana. I'm like, Dana, the thumbnail are giving her way." And he's like, "To curve it, man, just got up to the phone with the head of Disney, the president of the. That's nice of that kind of pull." Right. And I wish I could do that for the NFL. And they don't always. Maybe they will. Maybe they will now. Yeah, they don't always give away the game. And for the love of God, please make the thumbnail neutral so that. Because of the reason why we're clicking on this video is because we want. We don't want to know what happened. We want to watch it and enjoy it. Right. And so how long are these condensed games? Anywhere from like eight to 16 minutes. Wow. That's smart. And it's so exciting because if you see, like, a punt or a kickoff, you know something awesome is going to happen because they'll never include a punt or a kickoff unless it gets run all the way down for a touchdown or if there's a turnover or something like. Right. So it's like, "Ooh, you know, you get excited when you watch these videos if there's a punt." Right. That makes sense. Yeah. You have to see does a good job with. They do these videos that show like all the knockouts from a particular event. Yeah. So anybody who just wants to see knockouts. Yeah. I've been seeing that. And, you know, I've been in situations already since the Paramount deal where I got to go back and watch the whole card. And Paramount, like, it's pretty awesome, man. Like on ESPN. It's not very intuitive. I got to say, it's a little clunky when you're searching for the show because you go to like live TV to watch it. And then if it's not on live TV anymore, like if you go out and you pause it and you come back and try to. And you click on it, it doesn't work. And then you got to find it. And then you got to go to home. And then you got to go down to the UFC. And then I search out each individual. And then it brings you up a grid of all the stuff that's on TV right now. And then if you click on that, it's not playing anymore. So it tells you it's not on. You got to go back again to home. So like where the fuck is it? Like just have a little UFC thing where I could click at the homepage. And it shows all the matches. What's live? What's not? Just a little clunky. I think ESPN Plus kind of had it down. And I'm just starting to get. You know what I know about when the ESPN Plus was, though. What? Is that you scroll through to get to the main card. They would have each fight individually up there. And you got to like blur your eyes because on the thumb it says the duration of the fight. Right. You got a little time stamp. And it's like, oh, damn it. I mean, I just saw that the. You got to not look at that. Yeah. You got to unblur your eyes, look through the cracks. The problem is when you play it, it'll show you how short the amount of time is. You know how quickly the time is going. Right. You can't like. You can't ever skip anything because then the time bar will come up. Do you watch anything else other than UFC? Ah. Sports wise. No, it's just fighting wise. Oh, man, I. No. No. Not now. I've been trying to get down to why to do a striking league. I'm trying. Because like, you know, people still boo and complain when things go to the ground. And if the UFC has time to do like slap fight, which I'm not really into, but if they have time to do that, like, do a stand-up only league because there's other organizations that are doing that. You know what? The Mike Tyson Jake Paul thing. I understand that they had 100 million viewers. Is that real? I think they did. And then the Jake Paul Anthony Joshua had like maybe 30 million. Right. So it was nowhere near. But God, I thought that. I thought that. Would you get those numbers? Just whatever. I just saw it in the. Because I don't know if Netflix gives those numbers out. Or maybe they did. Did they say it? 108 million. 108 million. Paul Tyson had 108 million. And then John Anthony Joshua, I think it was like 30. Interesting. 108 million is crazy. That's a lot of fucking people. It's a lot of people, but what a blown opportunity when you think like, okay, now Netflix had. They knew they were going to have that many viewers. Or not that many. They knew they were going to have a lot. They had the opportunity to take the boxing model and fix it. And I don't know, like. The Netflix did? Yeah. Netflix has only had a small handful of events though. Understood. Right, if you look at the UFC broadcast, just how. There's just not downtime. Right. People care about the undercard. You know me. I'm there. Yeah. For the first fight past pre-lim. Some of the undercards are the best fights. For sure. Yeah, especially. And that's why the content of the series is so good. Particularly, yeah, right. Exactly. Especially when you see some of these guys coming out of the content of the series that are so high level already. There's guys that are getting matched up in the undercard that no one's ever heard of. There are two undefeated fighters that can be world champions. For sure. There's guys that are that good now. Right, and that's what's so great about the UFC is that the whole card's good. The production's insane. There's no downtime. It's just like. You can sit there for. Fucking six hours. Right. And I would like. Right, right. And be thoroughly happy that you're watching the whole time. But with boxing, there's so much time in between the bouts. Yes. Yeah, they don't do as nearly as good a job. But UFC, without doubt, is the best promotion in all of COHPS sports in terms of entertainment, production value, the people in the truck, the experts, like they're the best. That's from saying about Netflix is that they. They could have fixed it. Well, Zuf is trying to do that now. Right. You know, Zuf is trying to do that. They're basically using the promotion machine behind the UFC stuff, promoting boxing. And they're just getting rolling right now. But they signed some really big guys. They signed Conor Ben. They signed Jay Apateo, who's a fucking beast. They signed some legit boxers. So it should be interesting. Yeah. Boxing is. It is a fascinating sport. It's a mess. I mean, as far as the broadcast goes. Well, I think there's a few companies that know how to do it right. And HBO is the best. And when HBO went off the air with boxing, it was a real bummer. Because HBO boxing had been around for decades. They were the peak. That was like the best production team. It was Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant, rather. Roy Jones Jr. sometimes, George Foreman sometimes, and different fighters would sit in sometimes. And it was the. Jim Lampley is the fucking best. It was the best. It was like the smoothest production. They were the best with the cameras and the production quality. They'd get you hyped up about the fight with the little pre-made videos. They didn't drag it out. They knew how to do it. HBO did it right. They did it right. But I guess it was like either it was not profitable or something. They just decided that when they canned HBO Boxer, I couldn't believe it. I was like, after all these years, it's such a crazy thing to do. They were the best. If you had an HBO boxing card and it was a big fight, fuck, I was pumped. It was like the quality of the product was so high level. And they only put on really great fights. I give it got to HBO. That was going to be a great fuck. Right. Well, comedy specials were the same way, right? Sure. Yeah. And now it's weird, because it's like the landscape is so filled with different platforms. And some guys take money over visibility. Sure. Like, there's young guys that have gotten offers for places and I was like, listen, man, I think you should put on YouTube. For sure. You don't take any money, but you got to think about that money investing in yourself, because I think you're really good. And I think that this material, if you put it on YouTube, it's going to go viral. It'll spread around way more people will know. Sure. I sorely regret my approach because my comedy specials are multimedia. And like, I got stuff in there. I mean, the whole point of my comedy with the multimedia is to have stuff that you can't even show on jackass. You know, like just like super extra naughty jackass movement and collides with the standup show. Right. And I love that. I have so much fun with that. And when I put up my last one, I did a, this thing that Andrew Schultz did the moment, you know, like to pay wall. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like my, this is company moment. Right. And that was me trying to make money off this special. I mean, I spent so much making it, you know, but whatever. I wish that I would have had no paywall whatsoever. You know, I can't put it on YouTube, but put it on my website so that I could get the eyeballs because I think in the long run that would benefit way more. Why can't you put on YouTube? Because the content? Because the, like, too extreme. New to the violence. Like, like literally, that's going to be hard to distribute anywhere. Or even on a website, even on your website. That's just hard. That's just hard to get out. Now I have my multimedia specials on my website with no paywall, totally free, like no ads. Yeah. Just go to stevo.com and check out. Well, Andrew did it very smart. Like, you want to see it now pay. And then I'm going to put it on YouTube and X amount of months. Right. A lot of people got mad about that. People get mad about everything. Understand. You gotta always remember that, man. Right. You can't concentrate on that. I think that, uh, maybe they're a little bit more of a, of a window. Because for the people who are like, man, I just spent, you know, tell them what the window is. Right. Just, if you want to do it that way, just tell them. I want to put it on YouTube in three months. Right. Understood. But it, it, it, it all is like how successful are you? Right. So if you're a successful comedian, you do that. And then your fans are like, Hey, why do you need more money on me? Well, I can't just release it. But if you're a successful comedian that's been kind of banished, like Louis C.K. It was for a while. And then Louis C.K. has done a brilliant job of putting everything on his website. Like, Harold and Pete is animated show, Lucky Louis, all the different Louis episodes. So what he did was really create his own thing that is like a one stop shop of all things Louis C.K. And it's really good. And his mailing list. Yeah. I'm on his mailing list. Me too. And, and whenever I see an email from Louis C.K. I absolutely click on it because he doesn't. Yeah, it's going to be funny. He does it so masterfully. Yeah, it's interesting and funny and it's entertaining. It's an entertaining little thing that you get and then he lets you know what he's doing. And he's never pressuring you into that. He's, he's the, out the perfect balance, I think of like capitalism and still being an artist. Yeah. You know, it's the way to do it. But you know, everybody's at their own little path and the problem with someone like Andrew is he's already like really successful. So it's like asking for money for a special. At this point, people are like, come on man. Just fucking put it on YouTube. My next one, I'm absolutely determined to have no paywall. Stan Hope always said it best. He said, basically, your special is just an ad to get people to come see you. Bill Burst said that. Yeah, that's that's that's really what it is. Right. And you know, it's also like you got a retire material. Yeah. You know, just let it go. What's so hard about it? You see you light it on fire. It's hard for me. Of course it is. I got. Of course it is. It's hard for everybody. Yeah. But it's probably even harder for you because a lot of your stuff is physical. Right. So you have to like come up with new things that you could do to yourself. Stable your lip shot and yeah, well, dick to your asshole. I'm so I'm so happy with what I've got now. That's good. Yeah. All right. And I'm thrilled with it. Okay. So. So I was, I was telling you like I spent the, this. And you know, a couple of years like really feel like in the darkness in the kind of in the darkness. Yeah. And and being a feeling being very mindful to adjust my approach in a way that I felt really good about. There was a beginning of 2025. And I got like really heavy on like, you know, spirituality and faith. I like it. I'm that way anyway. I really, I really care about that. The January of 2025. I get this opportunity to have Mark Wahlberg on my podcast, right? Like, and I'm on there and he's very like big into his face. Very Catholic. Yeah. Very big into his Christianity. And and I was in the thick of it too at that point. I was like, man, you know, like I've been criticism for being too much of a shill and this and that and like really bothered you that much. I kind of did. Yeah, because I think because I was well, because it was accurate. It was accurate. It absolutely for example, last time I was here, I'm like, Joe, my butt wipes for my butthole and you're like, that's bad for the plumbing. It is bad for the plumbing. Right. And you can flush those things. Dude, I like. What I wish I said in that moment when when when you'd said that how it's bad for plumbing, I had seen on a package of dude wipes. He said, only flush one at a time and you'll be okay. Uh-oh. You remember me? That's true. Now they've got a day. I stopped selling those fucking things. Don't flush anything other than toilet paper. Period. I talked to any plumber. Okay. I'll tell you. But dude, like the the internet had a field day when when you shut down my my butt wipes plug out here. See? And I didn't even know about it. I love that. I love that. And um, this episode is brought to you by ketone IQ. The demands on my time, energy and focus are immense. 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And they had a field day because like me with the sheeling and you with the point about the plumbing and it was just like and like fuck, I just I stopped selling those fucking things. I stopped selling everything. I'm not sponsored. It's not a sponsor anymore, but I want to tell people to get it anyway. It's a thing called Tushy. You put it on your head. Yeah. Oh my god. My fit dude every single time I promote Tushy on my podcast, I say it is my favorite podcast sponsor that I've ever had. And then I know that that's not a wise thing to say. Like if you're if you think of all the other sponsors, I don't care. I don't care. Well, it's not even our sponsor anymore, but but I tell everybody it's not expensive and it's legit and it cleans your bottle and then you just need a little wipe to pat it down. And you're just drying it off. Also you feel better. Like you don't feel like you smeared shit all over your bottle. Like I don't know if you have a hairy ass hole, but I do. Yeah. I'm hairy. I do. It's chaos down there. If I don't trim it. So it's like you getting your wipe and shit on the ass hairs and like. Sure. And that's you know, that's what like as soon as I started using the Tushy, then I'm like, oh my god. Now if I ever find myself having to take a shit and there's not a bidet right now it's a crisis for me. I know. Now you like you know I've got a problem and that's why having the wet wipes, the butt wipes, like became so important because if I don't have the bidet, like I get it. But if you had shit smeared all over your fingernails in your hand, would you be happy just using a butt wipe and then having a sandwich? No, you would not. You would want to wash your fucking hands, right? Butt wipes are okay. It's okay. It's better than not having them, but you have to throw them in the garbage. So then you have a shit smeared wet wipe in the fucking garbage which is kind of nasty. You walk and they can smell the shit and no one's cleaned it yet. And so then you have to have a plastic bag liner on your garbage can because otherwise you get. Yeah. Those Tushy things, I have one. We have them here at all. It's not a Tushy but it's another company. On all our toilets, we have it at the mother's house. Oh my God. It's the rest. You have to have those things. Let's change it to your life. Enter it. And when you get the Tushy Ace which has the heated sea, the warm water is the key. And then it blow dry to your butt all my life. Nice. It's ready for presentation. Okay. So I sit down with Mark Wahlberg and I'm talking about this and I say how like leaning into faith like really just like it's so important. You know, like it's so important to me. And I had this meaningful conversation with Mark Wahlberg about that. And then the day the episode comes out, it didn't even occur to me until the day the episode came out. I was hiking with my dog through a fucking state park in Tennessee and it strikes me. Oh my God. I had the audacity. I knew that the episode went out that day. I had the audacity to cut from this thoughtful conversation about faith with Mark Wahlberg to an ad for gambling. I was like, oh my God. I was like, I don't have to be in the comment section to know to see people saying what a hypocrite. Like, oh my God. William, how's gambling make you hypocrite? I mean, I just, I don't think that makes you hypocrite at all. Right. Listen, the gambling thing online, which I probably addressed this, is a very hot topic. And a lot of people criticize people for promoting gambling sites online. The problem is not gambling. The problem is people who are addicted to gambling. So the problem is self-control, right? And I'm not saying I'm a person who's immune to being addicted to gambling. I am sure that given other circumstances in my life, given I could have easily gotten addicted to gambling. But I'm not. And I don't mind gambling on stuff. I think sometimes it's probably fun. The problem is people, you saw uncut gems, right? Oh my God. Best movie ever. That is gambling. That is the problem with gambling. That's so good. That's so good. Fucking a man's movie. Adam Sandler killed it in that movie. It's such a good movie. Never felt so good about it. But the whole movie, I'm going like, oh, yeah. I don't get it. I'm like, fuck, are you doing? Man, don't do that. Right. Oh, Jesus. Adam. You know what? There's like, I made a decision on that day, hiking with my dog. I said, I'm not going to put anything in the list. It's good for people. Why? Good for you. I said, I said, like, I don't want to do harm, man. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do harm. I think it does harm if you let it do harm. But I think food does harm if you let it do harm. I think alcohol does harm if you let it do harm. I think marijuana drugs, all kinds of things do harm if you let them do harm. Right. But it's just that it's in your face. I understand. I don't want to participate in that. I get out. And I just haven't done it since then. I feel good about that. That's good. So all these different things that I've done to be mindful, to be to feel more good about like how I approach my life and my career. That's good. And then coming into this year, 2026, I was like, oh man, like now with the Mr. Beast come out, I'm like, oh, this is going to change my life. We got a new Jackass movie coming out. Like I feel really good about how I've restored my integrity. Like I feel good about myself for myself. And then Joe, oh my god. Then I have Harland Williams on my podcast. Okay. This guy is the most genius. Like them, it's just sort of like you can't even understand the guy. Like he's one of the weirdest funny guys. He's like, this snake is on this desk because he kept it in his pants the entire episode. Tell us that he had a tapeworm and then he pulled it out the end of the episode. And I've left it on the desk ever since. And when Trump was in here, I left it on the desk and he got so excited. He goes, hey buddy, thanks for keeping, what did he call it? I think for keeping Demetri on the desk while Trump was in there. He's just such an odd boy. He's so magnificent. Such a great guy too. And I record my podcast in an RV. I got like three different RVs that I use for it. And one I keep in Los Angeles. So we get to Harland Williams house. For some reason I'm driving. Now I'm the fucking worst driver ever. And he's got this small driveway. I'm trying to maneuver it around. And I get out of the van and I'm like, I don't know how I can be such a fucking bad driver. And just like that Harland Williams says to me, he goes, it's AIDS, Steve, you have AIDS. He's like the most fucking absurd thing. And so like going into this podcast and like, all right, like now we're entering the realm of the absurd, you know, like let's play with Harland Williams. Okay. Okay. At some point in the episode, the most fucking dumb idea that I ever popped in my head. But you know, you want to be like a step ahead and like figure out how like we're going to keep this going. Like what do I, you know, what's where we going to next. So I say to Harland Williams, I'm like, I think at one point I said like I said, how about politics? You know, like just thinking to myself, this absurd guy, if you ask him about politics, like, like how does his absurdity like navigate that? And that's what motivated me. So then somewhere in this back and forth, like effectively I say like, oh yeah, well all this shit with ice makes perfect sense because like, because the majority of immigrants are murderers, right? This is the most badly fucking absurd comment that I've ever made on the podcast. And yet after it comes out, it gets clipped on its own. And it genuinely looks like I'm not kidding. Even though you cut to Harland Williams, but it genuinely looks like I wasn't fucking kidding. And then I open up my phone and it's like basically rotten hell used it that like, you know, like you think like all immigrants are murderers. Like Joe, I could not be more the opposite of that. Right. You know, like you're being sarcastic. I would say I could not have been more like I could not have been less serious. Right. It was the most absurd fucking deliberately sarcastic thing I ever said. And dude, I just like, nah, nah, and I was in this place. I was so excited like, and I was so excited about doing my podcast. It was going, you know, and then now I'm just like deluged with this tsunami of hate. And that's what so, you know, did you respond? I did. Yeah, I just say this is just fucking around. I posted on my Instagram. Okay. Like, like for clarification, I said, I can't even, I said, I was so shocked to believe that this absurd comment that I made was like taken seriously. But like just, you know, I can't believe I'm going to have to do this. But for the record, you know, less than 0.1% of the population is ever going to commit murder. Of course, the majority of no group of fucking people is going to commit murder. But if you want to know how I actually feel, if there's a group of people that's more likely to murder someone, it's ice agents. You know, like, and so then as soon as I post that, now like the whole other half of the world fucking eats. Yeah. I wouldn't have said that either. Right. But there you go. You know, like, and my sister is my voice of reason. She's like, I was like, hey, what do you think about this? And she's like made like one small tweak. She's like, go for it. I was supposed to that. I don't even mind. You know, like, I don't even mind that. I feel like if people are going to hate me, let me hate me for like how I actually feel. You know, like, as I watch, how dare you? Yeah, that's my dad. I probably should not disturb. Maybe your dad goes through because he's like one of your friends. Yeah, yeah, he's on my speed dial. But yeah, so it was just a terrible fucking episode that I just went in. And we set this up like a couple months ago. Like this happened like maybe three, four weeks ago. So I was like, when I was texting with you, I was like, oh man, I was in a shitty place. I feel really rad. It'd be great to get together. And then now since then, I'm like in a shitty place. Yeah, well, you know, obviously that ice subject is a very hot subject. People got mad at me from high-techs on as well. You just, you have to do it. Right. And you know what? You should speak your mind. If I'm honest, I regret all of it. You know, like, you know, I could have, I could have worded my clarification in a way that made a lot more sense. I just, it bothered me so much to be so badly misunderstood. Yeah. You know, like I'm a lot-- Well, when you talk sarcastically with a guy like Harlan Williams, when you fuck around and you say things you don't really mean, that's gonna happen. I'm like, Duncan is the best at that. Like Duncan Trussle. Like he will have entire podcasts where he pretends he's in the Illuminati. And we'll talk to another comic who pretends he's one of the Rothschilds. I love him. A friend Tony gets, Tony sees gets on his podcast. And what does Tony pretend? A Rockefeller or a Rothschild? A Rothschild. One of them. So he, I think it's a Rockefeller. I might be wrong. But I mean, he dies his hair for the episode and everything. And like, it's so ridiculous. And people think he really is. One of those people called me while he's a doorman at the mothership. But Duncan will go through an entire podcast without breaking character. And they'll talk about how important it is to control the population. They'll talk about how important it is to spread misinformation and keep people in the dark and how stupid the plebs are. Yeah, I just-- Like I'm too fucking sensitive, man. You know, like-- Yeah, well, it seems like it's not just that you're sensitive. It seems like you're seeking out input. You're seeking out feedback. And I just-- I think you're a little too famous for that. I just don't think it's healthy. I've known so many people that are loved, loved by so many. And yet, they'll still find the people that hate them and dwell on that. And I've seen it with like very successful people. It's just-- It's just Louis said it best. Louis C.K. said it best. He said, the internet is just talk. It's just written down. So it seems more real. Right. Because it stays up there forever. But it's just talk. Just like people talk at a bar. Fuck that guy. You know, people say things. And they're not necessarily rational. They're not necessarily-- their opinions aren't necessarily valuable. Some of them are. And some of them aren't. But to go through all that and figure it out, the problem is your brain only recognizes threats, danger, and people that hate you. So you get 100 people that love you. Right. But one person who says you fucking suck. And you'll just think about that guy. Oh, no. That guy. He used to be a fan. Like-- Right. I unfollowed him a long time ago. Oh. Right. Yeah. That makes sense. And you know another thing to that point. Here, I thought that when this Mr. Beast came, video came out. And I won a million dollars. I gave it to doctors without borders. Oh, no. I just thought, oh, man, this is going to be life altering. And like, it came in-- like, I had one kid come up to me in an airport and say, dude, you're Steve over Mr. Beast. And I was like, oh, wow. Different generation. But other than that, like, I thought it would be life altering and it really wasn't, you know? Yeah. And then so now, like, in this little-- like, this-- whatever you want to call it, backlash, this thing. To me, it feels like the whole world hates me, you know? Like, when in reality, it's probably not-- No. Reality. Everybody feels about you the exact same way they did before. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. Because I'm like, I'll walk around and think, like, man, like people don't know me. Maybe they hate me. I was talking to a friend of mine who was one of the earlier ones to get canceled. This was quite a few years ago. This was like more than 10 years ago. Something happened online and someone said something about something that he said that was patently false. But a lot of people believed it. And he made his own statement. And then he said, everywhere I go, he goes, I know this was small and it was only in the comedy community. But everywhere I went, I felt like these people hated me. They knew who they were. They were judging me. So it was like-- it was tainting my feelings everywhere I went. Now, imagine being Monica Lewinsky. Oh my god, I know. So no internet, right? So this is like, there's no way to tell whether people are siding with you or not. And everybody knows you suck the president's dick and you're 20. And you have to go to the store. You have to date guys. And if you don't blow a guy, he's like, what the fuck? You're like famous for it. Right. Yeah. Every time she's probably giving head, she's thinking, oh my god, why am I doing this? This is what got me in all this trouble in the first place. I imagine that kind of weirdness. Do you remember she did an HBO thing? She did an HBO thing way, way back in the day where she sat down to talk about what this experience has been like for her. And it was weird because there was a guy in the audience that she was taking questions, I guess. And a guy in the audience was like, why are you doing this? You say you don't want attention, but here you are just getting more attention talking about it. And like, you could tell she didn't really think that through. Like that someone was going to have that kind of a response. And it was like that was the end of the thing. I think that when you're in that kind of situation, you want to on some level clarify-- Right. You want to say-- You're side of it. You're right. So your side of it, ultimately for most people, is going to be trying to make yourself look better. And I think that's a problem. That's a problem. That's very transparent. And people kind of know what you're doing. I think it's always better like what you just did where you said, maybe I did overreact. Maybe I shouldn't have done this. Maybe that's a stupid thing to say. Much more real about how you feel about things. Oh, I fucking blew it, Joe. I don't know what it means. That's what it doesn't matter, man. I'm telling you, this is all in your head. Everybody still loves you. You're the same guy. The people who love you will always love you. The people who hate you. It's like it's very rare that someone who really loves you hates you. If they do, they're usually mentally ill and they want to. I remember when I was a kid, people would get mad if bands became famous and be like, fuck those guys. They're jealous. And I remember we were in high school. I go, let me get this straight. This is me at like 16. I go, you love them. You think they're awesome, right? Yeah. I go, but when more people know they're awesome, then they're not awesome anymore because now they're mainstream. He goes, yeah, I go, do you know how fucking dumb that sounds? Either they are awesome or they are not. If they are awesome, more people should know they are awesome. Right. And we're all just sitting around and a couple of my friends go, yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, this idea of like being underground is fucking retarded. Like, why would you want that? If you're great, people are going to find out about you. Right. It doesn't mean you sold out. It just means other people found out you were great. Like, you recognize something and you think you're unique in your talent to recognize really good music. And only you can appreciate it. And if other people appreciate it, then all of a sudden, it's not good. That is the dumbest fucking way to think I've ever encountered in my life. I mean, to be fair, I think that the criticism at that point is when they change. When they're trying to reach a more broad audience. But there's a lot of bands like, for instance, that are not doing that. And then just they just fucking hit. Like, people are mad at Nirvana for getting big. Like, OK. Right. I couldn't agree with Demor. I'm just being in devil's advocate. Well, I get it. I mean, but my point is it's a human inclination where you feel like you're a part of a small select group that really values and appreciates something. And all these normies, these fuckheads, listening to fucking Debbie Gibson or whoever they're listening to, you don't want those assholes listening to super cool music. But if it's like Nirvana, guess what? It's so good that everyone is going to want to listen to that. And then it becomes big. And like, fuck those guys. If fuck it sold out, it's just a dumb-- you're just mad at yourself. You're mad at your life. You're mad at your position in this universe. Well, I think that life is just getting really difficult, too. Well, this is now true. But we're talking about people who are doing this back and fucking ladies. They've always done this, man. This is just how people behave. And you add that to the internet. And it just-- everything's accelerated. Times 10. Times 100. Times a million. Whatever the fuck it is now. And this is just the beginning. We're at the brink of something really crazy. As soon as AI takes over our society, which is within years, we're going to experience the most radical change this civilization is for. It's like it's literally a perfect storm with just the unsustainable debt. Well, that's part of it. It's, I mean, that's a big part of it. Yeah, I mean, that's part of it. But it's like, even if there was unsustainable debt, you have an artificial life form that's emerging that's infinitely smarter than human beings. What I'm saying is that-- And it has autonomy. The unsustainable debt, like already, over a trillion dollars, just paying for the interest alone. Like, all the now, like, other nations, central banks, whatever, like they want to de-dollarize. They're not buying the United States treasuries the way they were. And that's like how the United States has been able to overspend is because they can sell the treasuries. Now, without people selling the treasuries, the only buyer of the treasuries is the Fed. And they're buying the treasuries with printing money. Is that accurate? I think it's pretty-- I think it's-- Other countries are buying our treasuries. It's less so. It's becoming less. It's, of course, there's still, like, the United States treasuries is the most liquid, like, you know, but less so. So when it becomes more difficult for the United States to sell its treasuries, they got to increase the yield, which means bigger interest payments. So at a certain point, it's like-- just paying the interest on the debt is like a crippling thing. And by the Fed printing money the way they're printing, you can't inflate the money supply without devaluing the dollar. So inflation more and more is going to be a thing. Maybe not why more Germany or, like, Zimbabwe inflation, but still, inflation is not going to go away. You just can't have the money supply increase without that being the case. And so people's purchasing power goes down. Their wages aren't going up. So people are getting more and more squeezed with how much money they can afford to spend. And then on top of that, AI comes and wipes out all the jobs. Yeah. It's spooky. It's spooky, because no one really knows exactly what's going to happen, or how it's going to happen, or how people will be compensated in order to keep society functional. Elon has this utopian vision of universal high income-- Yeah, UBI. Universal basic-- No, no. Oh, universal high income? Yeah. No. His utopian vision is that so much money will be generated from AI that you'll be able to give people universal high income. So they won't have to work. And so they'll be able to do whatever they want to do with their life. That's the ideal perspective. The problem is, obviously, that people find a lot of identity in their work. Sure. Especially if you went school for it, you love it. This is the thing you've done. You've been a lawyer your whole life. You've been a doctor your whole life. You've been a this your whole life. And then also an AI comes in and wipes that out. And like, what are you going to do? You're going to play golf all day? Right. And then you have a fixed income now. Because even if it's universal high income, there's no incentive for you to work harder and get more things done and make more money, which is what drives a lot of people and drives a lot of innovation. So then, is all innovation left up to artificial intelligence? Is that what we're really going to do? Because that seems kind of crazy. It's so great. I got to wonder what keeps you going. I mean, like, like you, you're in here doing these podcasts all the time with the UFC with like, you know, like, you don't have to be doing this. Everything I do is fun. I do everything I do for free. And I do all the time. I do stand up for free all the time. I do guest spots all the time. Everybody does. Every comic does. Oh my god. Did I have so much fucking fun at Killtony last night? Oh, it's the best show. It's the best show in the world. So unbelievably talented. Like, he's the best host of any live comedy show rather of all time. There's no way he's so good at it. Like the, like the, the amount of time when something is presented, the he nails the funniest possible thing that you could react. Yeah. Like it's written. Like you had a team of writers sitting there for 100% a week coming up with the best line. And it bus off the top of his head. And it's always mean. He's the best. OK. He's the best. I know that he's sensitive about, oh man, he wouldn't have wanted me to say I was on it last night. Why? Because before the show, he'd ask the audience, don't give away the secret of who's the guest. It doesn't matter. All right. Then I'll say one thing because it was so-- Don't say what happened. Because this show's going to come out before that. Right. Don't do that. I'll tell you how. Then it's just suffice you to say that Tony Hinchcliff has got to be the fastest, widiest fucking comic I've ever-- Well, he's the best at that format. And he created it. Right. So it's like a genius idea. Have comics do one minute? Well, dude, comics have done one minute. The first time they've ever been on stage at Madison Square Garden in front of 16,000 people and fucking eight dick. Right. It's a great show. And then he has guys like David Tell, Shane Gillish, and you fucking Harlan is one of the greatest guests of all time. Donnell. Yeah. Donnell is amazing. He's got-- I mean, there's just so many. There's so many. Right. And Kyle Dunnigan, who does like five different characters that are incredible. Yeah. Such high level comics. Uh-huh. Adam Ray. I mean, maybe-- well, right. But I'm saying like high level feature comics. Uh-huh. Who aren't super known. Who do one minute as well? They're seeking out to go. I brought my opener from tour. And a guy who's not like widely known, but I just love him. And he's so funny, he's so good. Like he-- And he put his name in the barrel. Put his name in the barrel. That's the thing, too. If people ask me to get them on Killtony, I cannot. No one can. That is true. That barrel is legit. You reach into that barrel. Tony grabs whatever piece of paper his hands touch. And he pulls it out, and that's how it's always been done. And that's how he's always going to do it. Because people come to him all the time. Hey, could you get my friend on the show? He's like, I cannot do that. That is the show. Thank God. It's got to be chance. It's got to be chaos. That's part of the fun of it. Right. And then every now and then, someone that you've never heard of comes up and does a minute and everybody goes, fuck yeah, that was awesome. Right. And they kill it, and also, and they have a career. Right. It's great. OK. It's the cornerstone of standup, too. It really is. Because it's wild. It's like there are no rules. It's no holds barred. And you've got great comics on the panel. And it has launched careers. For sure. Because of that, it is so important for us having Killtony at the club. It's so important. Because it sets the tone for all these comics to know, like, hey, this isn't just some random thing of, I don't know what I'm doing. How do I figure it out? How do I get seen? There's a pathway. And if you can get on Killtony, and if you can work your ass off before then and build up a real solid routine and go on there and kill it, you can have a fucking career. It's real. Yep. And then the club has two nights of open mic nights in this real development program, in the real talent coordinator, Adam Egan, who watches sets and gives feedback. Yeah. The opener that I'm talking about, and he drove all the way from Tampa to be there last night. Hi, his name's Chris Harvey. I love-- he's 6'4, 4'180 pounds, like missing tooth beard, funniest guy. Where's he from? He's from Ohio. Is it Daytona? I'm not sure where we're not, but I was at a comedy club in Fort Wayne, Indiana. And they just set him up to open for me. I watched his set. I was like, what are you doing for the next three weeks? Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. So he get up on the open mic night. Yeah. That's where I texted Tony. Like, hey, I've got this opener. Can I get him on? And Tony said, I can get him in the bucket. Who knows if I'll pull him out. But I can also get him on the open mic to perform for the booker. So he did that. Nice. Nice. And yeah, it's important that you can't just get on the show. Yeah, that's great. Because then his phone would be just overrun with people, get my boy on, and then some of them suck. And that makes perfect sense. Yeah, you have to just let it happen. If they suck, they suck. They don't-- you know, it's like anything can happen. And that's part of the beauty of it. It's like a real magical moment when you reach into that bucket. And you pull out a name and Bob Smith. And then Bob Smith comes on out and gives it a shot. And the characters. I mentioned it was that I just had so much fun, man. And I don't like being on the end. Because you're too close to these psychos. You never know. Like, I'm always on edge. That's a funny-- you want to be protected by one body. Apologies to Tony for giving away that I was on it last night. He's on good to care. That you know what I want to talk about. I watched Brian Callan's special, very recent, at the mothership. Like, it was like-- you got all these people-- whenever anybody puts that thing about fucking comedies, it's so subjective that it's just-- anybody can shit on a special if they want. And I saw these YouTube videos. Like, all of Brian Callan's, and this is the most worst bomb, is going to end his career. And I was like, come on. Like, let me watch this. I fucking enjoyed the hell out of Brian Callan's special, is one that he just taped at the mothership. That's great. You guys stop paying attention to people. Yeah. I enjoy-- Just people want it to suck. I-- yeah. There's people that think-- Shepelle's last special sucked. This people-- oh, my god. Can we talk about that? I haven't seen it yet, so. OK. The-- But I heard it was awesome. The re-odd-- For people that I trust. The re-odd comedy festival, right? Like, it was such like an apocalyptic, fucking nuclear bomb. Did you go to that? I didn't. No. But like, there was so much backlash from people who went to it. And there were like, individual comics had their own way of kind of defending their move to-- you know, a lot of comics were very defensive about how they went. And a lot of them, and maybe like, were seemed a little bit disingenuous about like-- about in their defense. And then, dude, Dave Shepelle puts out this special. And so unapologetic about him being at the re-odd comedy. It was just like-- It was so fucking masterful. He's a master. The way he was just like, oh, like, I went to re-odd and got paid like a fucked out of money to do comedy. And like, so unapologetic, and it was just like, oh, my God. Well, the idea is that you support the regime by doing stand-up over there, which I think is crazy, because you're doing it for the audience members. And the audience members have no saying who their government is. They're literally-- You know what? I'm not even-- I don't even have a judgment whatsoever, especially because have I ever not watched a UFC event because it happened in Saudi Arabia or-- Yeah, or do buy or whatever. Right. You don't do that with sporting events, but you do it with comedy. I think the idea is that comedians are supposed to be social commentators. And they're supposed to like carry a baton for free speech. And the one of the particularly egregious things that's been attributed to Saudi Arabia was the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, who was a journalist from the Washington Post, who was killed at the Turkish embassy. And they cut him up with a fucking bone saw. And that's a dark shit. Yeah, I get it. I get the criticism. And I get people saying, well, I'm going to perform for my audience and my audiences over there. And if they say, I can't make fun of-- I think you can't make fun of the monarchy. You can't make fun of the leaders or the government. And you can't make fun of Islam or religion. I think maybe it might just be religion, period. Yeah, I think it was-- You can't be disparaging of Islam or the royal family. Yeah. All right, well, you got to decide then. If you know what those parameters are, if you maybe it doesn't fit with your act at all, or maybe you're like, I don't have any bits about the royal family, or I could just go over and do my act for a bunch of people, uncensored. Right. I thought about it. I don't-- I see both sides. I don't give a shit one way or the other. My only input here is the Dave Chappelle checkmated. Of course. He handles everything perfectly. And again, he's not on social media. He's not paying attention to people's opinions of him. You cannot, because there's so many people that have decided that he was a horrible transphobe for telling a story about his transgender friend. Like, I mean, literally told this story about this person in his act. And people didn't care, because he made jokes about trans people. Like, of course, it's in the public-- This idea that you can't joke about something is-- If there's a thing you can't joke about, that thing is fucked up. And that's why the Lakota used to have a sacred clown. They called it a heoka. And a heoka was like a member of the community that was supposed to make fun of everything. And if you couldn't make fun of anything, then you knew something was wrong with that thing. Because if there's a thing that you can't joke around about, that thing has been compromised, right? Because you can kind of joke around about everything if it's actually funny, no matter what it is. Sure. Even tragedy given enough time, you can joke around about it. Yep. I mean, you could do it. Not a leaven joke right now, and no one's going to blink. Oh my god. Do you remind me of what I think was the funniest fucking tweet that I ever saw from Jeff Ross? Going back the year, I want to say, was like 2016. The Magic Castle in Los Angeles. There was-- I think in the magicians, you know, a magician was found hanging in a closet in the Magic Castle. Yeah, he committed suicide. Taken his own life. Yeah. That morning. Jeff Ross tweeted that his last words were, "Abrah Kadaver." [LAUGHTER] That's-- Jesus Christ. That's fucking funny. That's such a Jeff Ross type joke. That's a Tony Hitchcock type joke, too. Yeah. Abrah Kadaver. Yeah. I mean, if there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing is usually bullshit. And if that thing is trans people, then you're-- you are ignoring that there's a glaring hole in this narrative that you're trying to push, and whether or not people are accepting that narrative. You know, I'll be spilling out some of the stuff that I have in my current hour. And I really don't mind. For me, I feel like the bar has got to keep getting higher and keep getting higher. So as I went into putting together this new hour that I'm touring with, one of my multimedia bits ended up not being a really great idea. But I thought, I'm going to get a fucking boob job. Oh, yeah, I heard about that. Right. Did you do it? I didn't. I did it. I was within 10 hours of being under the knife. And the universe just intervened, right? Because they have to cut your muscle, man. Right. Well, I'm like-- I mean, you know the-- Don't think? Or do they go into the skin? They go into your nipples. You can do it in multiple different ways. I was told-- I was interested in just the idea-- because I'm now in my 50s, right? And so my whole new hour is the theme of it is how the fuck is Steve O supposed to be in his 50s? And so with putting the stuff up in my butt section is the importance of where at an age we got to get prostate exams, colonoscopies. You know, that's a real thing. And so I'm trying to like de-stigmatize the prostate exam. Wrong. That's what it are. Right. You definitely not put things up your ass for entertainment. I'm blending it together, and it's pretty awesome. And you know, one of my things is like-- you know, it's a right of passage for men in middle age to one day you realize, holy fuck, I'm getting to it. Like I-- I noticed it one time, like I'm fucking-- I got dimples, you know? Like actual fucking under-boob over here. And it's fucking like this wasn't supposed to happen to me. And so like that kind of was my motivation. I'm like, if this is going to happen, then like I'm lashing out at father time. I'm going to get a boob job. So I had the guy, famous plastic surgeon from botched, Terry Dubrow, on my podcast. Now it's like-- Does he want those guys to fix his people? Yeah, botched. He's great. I love that guy. Happened to be brothers with the lead singer of "Quiet Riot" too. No way. Uh-huh. Come on, feel it. Terry Dubrow and-- That's crazy. He was epic. So on the podcast, I was like, hey, I'm thinking about it for Wild Crazy stunt. Like get a boob job and then just like film a bunch of pranks and stunts and then get it out. You know, like Wild publicity stunt. I feel like the whole world's going to know about it. And he had me take off my shirt. And he's like, yeah, your skin is already loosened up. You could fit double D implants. He says, but you got to get him out within two months or the stretching would be unmanageable. And I'm like-- Oh, boy. And in my head, I'm thinking this is the loudest fucking craziest-- like this is where the bar is at. You know, like-- You need better friends. That the level-- You really do. The level of commitment to do something that fucked up. I just thought-- And I was really into the idea. And I got super cold. Call me next time. She was fucking call me, dude. You know, Dana said the same thing. Yeah, don't do that. Dana said the same thing. But now, like I had blabbed it to the media, which is why you heard about it. So there are all these articles. It's the night before my fucking operation. And I get a phone call from the doctor's whatever guy. He says, hey, buddy, we hit a snag, man. Like the anesthesiologist backed out. We got to reschedule the surgery. I'm like, fuck, man. So now the next day, they're trying to reschedule it. And I'm buying groceries in the supermarket in LA. And the person ringing me up on the cash register is-- like, seems pretty evidently transgender. And I'm just like, dude. It's like the fucking universe has given me signs over here. And so I asked this. Didn't even occur to me up to this point that I'm going to-- that I need to run it by anybody, because I'm like, fuck it. My body, my choice, who cares? I'm doing a dumb stunt to be crazy. But in this situation, talking to this transgender person, like, hey, can I run something by you? And I spoke with them. They described to me a level of oppression that genuinely fucking broke my heart. They said, hey, let me tell you. Like, I am not allowed to use the bathroom at my own place of work. We've got like-- That's not true. They're just not allowed to use the bathroom. It doesn't align with their biological sex. OK. But you got to realize they're not all-- listen, I genuinely think there's people that feel like they are in the wrong biological sex. Right. But there's also people that are fucking perverts. And they have a thing called auto-gonnaphelia. And what that is is they get a turn on by pretending to be a woman. They get excited by it. And they want to be around women. And they're creeps. And so you give them a fucking Willy Wonka golden ticket to go into the women's locker room, and the women's bathroom, and stare at women to pretend you're a woman. When you're just a crazy man, and you're actually into women, that's real too, man. I don't doubt that that's real. And I know that it's a super complex, nuanced thing. And-- Yeah, but here's what's not complex. What is your chromosomes? Great. OK. This is the same thing for competing. All these fucking mental gymnastics that seemingly intelligent people do to justify biological males competing with females. Oh, I'm with the-- I don't think anybody is starting to have that. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. And especially as speaking as a man who has daughters, like there are creeps. And if you give a creep-- and I'm not saying all trans people are creeps-- but a lot of these fucking people that are in trouble for going into women's bathrooms dressed as a woman with a fucking beard and a heart on are just that. They're creeps. They're crazy men. And these crazy men, their entire life, they would get beaten up for that. And now all of a sudden, they have to be accepted. So you've got two things going on at the same time. For sure. And people would gender dysphoria that genuinely wish they were a woman or genuinely wish they were a man. And by the way, it's men that are the problem. No one gives a fuck about trans men going into the men's bathroom. Come on in. Who cares? Who cares? Oh, a girl's going to shit next to you. Or what is she going to do? She's going to pee out of a funnel. What is she going to do? No one's going to get hurt. This is the problem. When you allow perverts to have this whole pass to go into women's locker rooms and bathrooms. So you can't say you're not allowed to use the bathroom where you work. That's not true. You're just not allowed to use the women's room where other women are in there because you're not a woman. And I know you wish you were a woman or whatever's going on. But you're not. You make a very, very good point. If you're a woman, talk to most women about this. And it's-- unless they're insanely captured by this woke ideology where they can't see reality in the fact that perverts are still a real fucking thing. And this loophole-- you've given loopholes. There's men in prison. I think it's like 47 biological males in California are housed in women's prisons. Some of them are sex offenders. Some of them in Canada-- there's a guy in Canada-- that they had a pay for his boob job while he was in jail for being a sex offender. And they put him in a women's prison. Yeah. I'm not arguing with you. There's men who have pretended to be women, gone into women's prison, had sex with women, and impregnated them. There's men who have sexually assaulted and raped women in prison that are pretending to be women. With functional dicks, all they have to do is identify air quotes. When you just have to identify, that's it. No operation, no nothing, identify. That is bonkers. And do you think they're giving them estrogen when they get in prison? Do they give hormone replacement therapy to people in prison? I don't know. I don't know. But even then, it's still a man with estrogen. You can't escape your fucking chromosomes, OK? And until you can-- until there's some sort of a crisper thing that you really want to be a woman, we can turn you into an actual woman. Until that happens, what you're dealing with is a form of gender dysphoria, which has always been classified as a mental illness, until people became much more empathetic and sensitive to people that have this problem. Right. And you make a completely valid argument. Nobody should be able to tell you you can't do something fucking stupid, like get a boob job, because they are transgender. I understand. Understood. My experience was that I didn't get any of this sense that this was a creepy pervert, anything like that. I just thought-- They don't have to be a creepy pervert. Right. But it's still a man. I understood. I just thought, man. I heard what they had to say about politicians trying to put them in tournament camps. Who's doing that? Who's-- what politicians are saying they should be putting in tournament camps? I think there was some kind of-- There might be one cook out there that's saying that to try to get attention. There's no movement to try to put transgender people in tournament camps. OK. Well, then I'll land on this. Do you know who's killed more people than ice this year? Trans shooters. Do you know the majority of these high school shootings have been transgender people? I did not know that. Yeah. How many of them? There was one recently. And yeah, it's a lot of them. You know why? Because they're giving them psych medications, they're giving them a bunch of crazy hormones. And a lot of them probably have mental struggles already. And they're ostracized from society and fill in the blank. And then they're empowered by thinking that the world has done something bad to them. And that there's a genocide against trans people. And they attack JK Rowling. And they attack all these people-- Martina Navar-Talova, who's a famous lesbian, for being a bigot, because she doesn't want biological men competing with women in tennis. It's nuts, man. And it's like, either you go by biology or you do not. Either you go by XY chromosome, or then you're in this weird fucking gray area where someone could just tell you they're a woman. And that's how you get men in women's prisons. Yeah. All right. You've convinced me. Doesn't mean you can't be kind. Yeah, it doesn't mean you can't. I try to be kind to everyone. And if I meet someone who's trans, if they want me to call them Stacey or whatever, I know a couple trans people. My friend Jim Norton is married to a trans woman. Yeah. Super cool with them, hug her every time I see her. I'm cool with that. But at the end of the day, if I was a woman, I want biological women in my-- I think the solution is individual bathrooms that went ever feasible. And if you want to have an all gender bathroom-- good luck with illegal ramifications of that if it's a bar, because then any guy can fucking go in there and any guy and girl could go to-- it's a multiple-stall bathroom. But the solution is x, y, chromosome. And the solution is if a guy walks into the men's room with a dress on and he's trans, just leave him alone. Leave him alone. Let him go to the bathroom. Like, what is the big deal? Yeah. At the end of the day, we have to understand that what is more important? One person's feelings or the safety of all these women. And the safety of all these women is much more important. So you've got to be kind to people. But also, you've got to have rules. There's a reason why there's a woman's room and a men's room. It's because some men are fucking creeps. And if you allow those creeps to just put on a dress, well, you-- and again, I'm not saying all trans people are like this at all. But you can't have that loophole. Let's say you can't have an open border. Doesn't mean that all immigrants are murderers and you don't think that either, right? I don't. But some people that sneak across the border if you don't check are going to be murderers. It's just a fact. Yeah. So you have to have a fucking close border check. And you have to have a gender border, too. Yeah. Well, goddammit. And my only takeaway from my experience that I was relating to you is that it made me feel compassionate. Well, that's-- And I want to be a good-- That's good. A better reason would be it's fucking stupid. You've got a boot job. Don't do it. No one's going to like you more. I think you're cool because you've got a boob job of 52. Right. I'm glad. I'm glad that-- Hold, you know? 51. Yeah, that's too old for a boob job. Yeah. Even if you're a girl. I'm-- Unless you get just got divorced, you're like, I need some new dick. I'm going to go. I'm really glad that I didn't do it. Yeah, me, too. But if you were here with a boob with two giant boobs, I'd be like, I don't know what to say to this guy. This is so stupid. You know who was-- who was into the idea? I thought it was fucking really funny. It was bird. Of course. Of course. Also, he has his own boobs. Right. Burke goes back and forth, but he's light now. He's-- he quit drinking for like six months. Oh, man. And he has a little bit of a health scare. His fucking sitcom and Netflix is really good. He's so good. He's a funny man. He's a fun dude. It's just like he's another guy that is like a little overexposed. He does so much promotion and so much stuff like you. You know, like to talking about that thing where you get the feet, the negative feedback. He got a lot of negative feedback for overpromoting shows. But don't listen. Don't watch it. Who cares? If you think he's promoting himself too much, just don't pay attention. Let me run this by. There's shit to be angry about in the world. Right. Burke, Chrysher, promoting a promy special is not on that list. Right. Let me run this by. OK. OK. OK. So I decide, like, I'm only going to promote things that are healthy. Or at the very least, don't do harm. OK. Felt really good about that. All right. So are you promoting that you have a problem with? Well, I see this guy, Brian Johnson, the-- Oh, the guy wants to live forever. Yeah. The guy wants to live forever. I'm fascinated by him. OK. I had him on my podcast. And I-- you know, he's a unique guy. But I see him. He's on this warpath against AG1. And I'm like, god damn it. I'm like-- But he sells a competing supplement. Right. That sounds-- Here's the thing about it. For what it's worth, I drink AG1 every goddamn day. It's a vitamin. It's a multivitamin. It's not the end-all be-all. It's going to fix your health. But vitamins are good for you. And if you can get vitamins in a simple travel pack, like AG1 has, and throw them in your book bag and take them with you places, it's better than not having vitamins. Period. That's it. That's all it is. Yeah. I think part of the problem that people have with AG1 is maybe they overstated some of the benefits of the probiotics and prebiotics. Like when people have analyzed the nutrient density of these packs and what the ingredients is, that's been their criticism. But criticizing a multivitamin that you're taking in a liquid form seems kind of silly. Is it going to be the best thing that you've ever done for your health? No, being in shape and eating well is the best thing you've ever done for your health. But having some sort of nutritional insurance, some sort of a little thing that you add to your food every day, to your, you know, your-- It's designed to fill in the gaps in your diet. It's a good thing to have vitamins. Period. That's it. Vitamins are good. And it tastes good. I like that. It's simple. A lot of people say AG1 doesn't taste good. I like the way it tastes. And if you think it's too expensive or you think it's not good enough, then OK, don't take it. Whatever. But if you take it, it's not bad for you. There's a lot of things that are bad for you. AG1's not bad for you. It's fucking vitamins. It's pretty simple. Pretty simple stuff. OK, good. Take it or don't take it. Who cares? You know, people worry too much again about stupid fucking shit. You have a brief amount of time in this. You're halfway dead, Bubba. You know how much time on this planet to be worrying about stupid shit? Thank you, Joe. Yeah. Thank you. Don't. Don't do it, man. OK, I want to-- I just want to be a good guy. Yeah, that's my thing. Then just be a good guy. But don't worry about it all the time. Good. That shit ain't good for you. Yeah. Don't be in your head. You know what? If you're in your head worrying about your public image, you're in your head worried about where you are and your career, you're in your head, just do your best. Yeah. Just do your best all the time. Yeah. If you enjoy what you're doing and you do your best, everything's going to be fine. Yeah. Or not. Or you die. You know, like you can't control that either. So what do you-- just keep going. Yeah. Just stop being in your head. Everybody is like, you know, you've got this all mapped out and a lot of what you're mapping out as other people's opinions of you and like, oh, there's no better way to fuck up your life than to live for other people's opinions. There you go. Yeah. Do self-auditing. Do some self-assessing. There's many times in my life when I'm unhappy with myself. And so I don't-- I fix it. Figure it out. Fix it. Do better. Do fix that. Fix this. Don't do as much of that. Do less of this. Do more of what you think is good, you know? Yeah. Try being a nicer person. Try to be kind. Like, it's like you can-- but don't sit around worrying about what each individual commenter thinks about. God, that's crazy for you. You're absorbing too much negativity. And this is the message that it gives everybody. Look, there's a great benefit to social media. It's an amazing tool and it's changed society. However, it's just like gambling. It's just like pornography. It's just like food. You can get wrapped up in it and it can be your whole fucking life if you let it. It's been over a decade since I watched porn. That's awesome. Yeah. Good to-- In some people, it's been about five minutes. Some people are watching porn on a split screen right now while they're watching this. They're jacking off right now to a gangbang where they listen to Steve O talk about how-- Oh, you're missing out. You know how many people are subscribed to OnlyFans? We were looking this up the other day. It's like, what are the numbers of Americans? It's something shocking. It's some insanely shocking number. It's like 100 plus million subscribers to OnlyFans. Man. And then with women, it's somewhere between the ages of 18 to 20 something. It's like 10% of the population is on OnlyFans. As content creators. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what's weird. It's because if you think about it, if you fuck on camera, you're kind-- you're a porn star, right? But maybe you're only fucking your boyfriend. Maybe you wear a mask. But are you doing it for money? What if you have sex with other people for money? Is that prostitution? So what if they just said, well, let's just legalize prostitution? Do you know how many fucking people would become prostitutes if they got desperate, like Uber driver prostitute? Right. What do I do? There's a lot of people who would go into prostitution. And some people think they should have that right to do that. And it should be freedom and freedom of expression and freedom of occupation. And then other people go, that might not be the best for society. I had this crazy thought at one point. What are the numbers for OnlyFans? There's no official numbers. It's somewhere in the range of 100 to 150 million, but only 4% of those are actually people who pay. Oh, how does that work? They're free accounts. Oh, okay. So what percent is people to pay? Sorry. 4%. 4.2. 4. Oh. So there's 100 million people accessing free content and 4% of the users actually compete paid transactions. Wait a minute, but does it cost money to join? Nope. It doesn't cost to join. It's a person who's making the content. So is a paid transaction mean you subscribed? Depends. So if you go on OnlyFans, you have to subscribe to each person's content, right? Yes. Okay. So it's only 4% that are doing that. So over 100 million creepers, they're just checking it out. Well, that's where you go. People have multiple accounts. Right. That's a good point. Why? Well, various reasons I wouldn't get it. James got multiple accounts. I never. I've never subscribed to One OnlyFans. Of course not. I was joking. But I mean, so 4% is not as much, but it's still. 4 million people that are paying 4, 5 million people. Yeah, still a lot. Paying and. And what are the percentage of young girls that are on OnlyFans as content creators? And they're not all showing the coach. Some of them are just real nips. They'll slip maybe just a bikini shot. Sure. You know, G-string, bend over. But it's still. But then you've got like the bad baby chick make like 50 million dollars on their. And no, that's crazy. What did she do on there? I don't know. I have no idea. According to these numbers, four to 4.6 million creators worldwide with 1 million of them being in America. Oh, that's it. So when they said it's 10% of girls 18 to 49, what percentage of girls not 18 to 25? I think that was the number. What percentage of girls put that in 18 to 25 in America are having account on OnlyFans? Percentage of girls between 18 to 25 in America have an account on OnlyFans. OK, let's see here. Let's see what it says. 10%. 14% of American women, age 18 to 24, have an OnlyFans account. That's crazy, dude. That is really crazy. That's crazy. That is wild. It's just to estimate, though, just for arguments, like, yes, there are not official numbers. I don't think in any way. I had this crazy thought hypothetically. That's a crazy estimate. Hypothetically, if you had like a brick and mortar establishment with a bunch of chicks in there-- Or else, I mean. Right, yeah. And ordained minister so that a guy could walk in, pick out a woman, and marry them on the spot. So then now that's your wife. And you are consummating your marriage that's got to be totally legal. And then as you leave the establishment, you will know the marriage. Is that not just-- That's a loo poll, that's a prostitution loo poll. Well, one thing you could do is you could have a thing where you could fall in love immediately and get married and give someone citizenship. Right. But as soon as you-- But they come and visit you. They want to see if you're really in love. Like they're like, how long do you guys know each other? It's crazy. Let me see your whole hands. I know. Let me see it kiss. I know a bunch of people who have gotten married for just citizenship. Oh, yeah, I know a dude who married a girlfriend citizenship. Yeah. I bet, but you got to stay married. Yeah. It was-- he did it for her. She was-- Fuck, where was she from? I forget. But they didn't even really have a relationship. I think she was from Russia. They didn't really-- They seem to attend to be from Russia. Yeah, it was just like they made a deal. I think it was a financial deal. This is the '90s. She's dead now. OK, I want to ask you, do you believe in reincarnation? I don't not believe in it. I think that there's pretty solid evidence. If not, irrefutable. But you got little kids that are giving details that check out total-- And they know-- There's another alternative. That alternative is genetic memory. And so we know that some memories are transferred through genes. And this is one of the reasons why a rack nephobia exists, a rack nephobia is an irrational fear of spiders. Right. The idea is that at some point in your genetic lineage, someone got really fucked up by a spider. Either you witness someone dying from a spider bite, or you almost died from a spider bite, and that memory is transferred through the genes, the same with a phidiaphobia, which is a fear of snakes. There's irrational fears that some people have that they attribute to a possible genetic memory. And then there's also-- there's genetic memories that are in animals that we know for a fact. A dog does not have to be taught. I have a golden retriever. Marshall. Marshall, he's the best. And you don't have to teach Marshall to bring a ball back. He's a retriever. He has some sort of a genetic memory. And he also-- I didn't have to teach him to pee on a bush and lift his leg. He knew how to do that. It's in their system. There's a bunch of things that are in their system. There's they see animals that get excited. They want to bite them. It's not a learned behavior. That dog's super well fed, but he will fuck a squirrel up. If he catches it, why? Because it's in his genetics. It's in his-- It's very instinct. Right. So then with humans, think about all the different things that humans learn and think of all the different fears that humans have and how many of them are programmed. Like, Rupert Cheldrake had a really important point once about what children are afraid of. He goes, do you think about it? What are children afraid of? They're afraid of monsters in the dark. They're not afraid of child molesters or murders or rapists and Mr. Car accidents. They're not afraid of-- they're not afraid of things that really can harm them. They're afraid of monsters. And most children, especially living in a city, have never seen a monster. So why are they afraid of this thing? Well, it's because there's a genetic memory of us being preyed on by cats and big cats who killed people forever hid in the trees, they hid in the dark. And you would go out to get water and they'd fuck you up and kill you. And so that is in little kids' memories. So if there's these kind of peripheral abstract memories or really radical, sharp memories that don't make sense, like a racquet of phobia and things like that, it's so possible that it's not just those things that are transferred through the genetics, but also learned experiences and maybe even information. You just don't have a way of expressing it yet. It's one of the reasons why you'll notice that a lot of the children of talented musicians are really talented, even when they're adopted, even when they grew up in different families. They might have never even been around that parent, but they have some sort of innate musical talent or literary talent or something. I think there's some things that get transferred in DNA that were not totally aware of. It's not like you get a menu list of all the things that you got from your parents. Oh, look, my dad was into history. That's why I'm into history. Look at all these things. I think there's a lot of stuff that transfers that maybe gets filed away and maybe other people have access to those memories that you don't. Like there's weird levels of memory retention. We were talking about Mary Lou Hanner from Taxi the other day. What's that disease she has? It's not a disease. It's the opposite of a disease. It's an amazing ability. She has this incredible ability. You can tell her July 2nd, 1976. She could tell you it was a Tuesday. She could tell you what happened. What was in the news? Who did what she did? What color she was wearing? Highly superior autobiographical memory. Now, imagine if that, whatever that is, that incredible memory is passed genetically occasionally and passed into some children. And then they don't just get the memory of their own life, but they get the memory of previous lives that other people have lived. So you think about how many different generations of human beings had to exist before Steve I was born. You have all of this DNA and all of this information inside of your gene supposedly. Maybe you can access some of that. And that some of it that you're accessing might be what we're calling reincarnation. - Okay. - What is this, Jamie? - This is the doctor who is a specialist in reincarnation at the University of Virginia. His name's Dr. Jim Tucker. He's continuing the work of a previous doctor. I think Hammond is his last name. - Interesting. - He's the two most repeated stories. I've heard about that. That people talk about as a kid that repeats stories of playing crash when he was a pilot. - Mm. - He's got a lot. There's further videos I've watched on this kid. So many details are insane. - Details verified against historical records of a pilot who died 50 years earlier, matching exactly despite no prior family exposure. Okay. Well, that's very different. So-- - So-- - So-- - And recognize them, I think, and even point it out. - Oh yeah. - And there's-- - Okay, so that, but here's the thing. If that kid is not related in any way to this person who died from the playing crash-- - I don't believe so. - Then we're talking about something totally different then. - But what you are getting at, there is discussions of this kind of overall work. I think it's on here where people talk about that. It's Deepak Chopra says it's a little bit like quantum physics. So how this happens isn't known obviously because this guy even says it starts at the end of the time. Like age two and by age five or so, all the memories are kind of gone and they don't remember this stuff anymore. - Wow. - It's very fluid. You can't really ask a lot of questions. They have to just tell you. And if you start asking too many questions, they freak out something that kids start crying and they don't want to, like, it goes away. - Whoa. - It's very odd, but there's-- - Well, it's really odd. - It's like it goes away. - Yeah, that's really odd. - As you were saying with Mary Lou Henner, hers doesn't even start until she was age 11. - Interesting. - Yeah, it's always a little kid. - It's always little kids that have memories of past lives. And they're supposed to name the Dalai Lama based on a kid having a memory. You know, it's supposed to be a reincarnation thing. - Wow. - You know, I'm fascinated by that. And also kind of in the same vein of it, so many irrefutable examples of where consciousness is evident separate from the brain. Like, you've got the, you know, like people with no brain activity whatsoever, you know, like they're officially dead. You know, they're in the hospital. And they wake up, come back to life, or whatever the case may be. And they're explaining to the doctor what was happening while they were unconscious. And to the extent that that can maybe be explained for what they were in the room, a lot of these cases, they wake up and they say what the doctor was doing in a different part of the hospital, you know? Like there's a case with a guy, a doctor, he was like, you know, had a patient. And, you know, he's in the cafeteria at the hospital. He gets like spills spaghetti on his shirt or something. He's like, oh man, I gotta stain on my shirt. And so he like puts his lab coat, you know, over it and then does it up. And then the patient wakes up and says, oh yeah, it's how you spilled the shit on your shirt, you know? Like there's a lot of evidence of consciousness like operating separate from the brain. And I had the most fascinating conversation with Duncan Trusswell about the idea that the brain is not a generator. It's not a transmitter of consciousness. Yeah, it's an antenna. Yeah. And that explains a lot of stuff to me, you know, about the soul. I was saying like to Duncan Trusswell, imagine that we're more of a radio, like an antenna. You know, like you can take a radio and with a sledgehammer, just smash it to smithereens. You've done nothing to disrupt the actual signal. So that signal can now tune in, be picked up by another radio. And that kind of explains reincarnation to me on some level. And Duncan Trusswell hears that, he goes, yeah. And he got so many fucking people walking around. They don't realize they're a radio. They think they're the fucking Beatles. (laughing) That's hilarious. (laughing) Yeah. Duncan's so funny. He's so good. He's an ecumen. Yeah. And so all of this stuff is super fascinating to me. It is interesting, but there's no answers. So it's like, there's a reason why so many societies and so many civilizations for a long time have believed in reincarnation, afterlife, that there's some sort of disembodied consciousness. There's a reason. Conscious. But then it gets really weird. It's like they've also believed in beings that have come down from the heavens. So what are those experiments? Yeah. (laughing) What are those things? What's that about? Who are those people? How about near-death experiences? Well, near-death experiences, you could attribute to a lot of things, right? One of the things you could attribute to is an endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals that we know the brain makes under stress. And one of the big ones is dimethyl tripamine, which we know your body makes. And there's a lot of people that think that it's sort of a chemical gateway. And that what you're doing is getting a peak into the afterlife. That when you're having these DMT experiences and that when you're having a near-death experience, that's your brain flooding with DMT to prepare you for leaving this world. Okay. It's just weird that they all have a very similar thing about going through a tunnel and a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like this, it's a journey. And what is, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience. I don't know what it's like. You know who had one, Jeremy Rinner. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. With the snowmobile actually. Like I'm so fascinated by near-death experience videos on YouTube. You got thousands of people who have had the experience of dying, been on the other side. And they describe what's called life review. Okay. Like there's the saying that everybody's familiar with that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes. However, the way that these people describe it, it's that on the other side of death, like as a spirit, like somehow the concept of time is like doesn't apply anymore. So you've got like, it's not like that your life flashes before your eyes because time isn't like, there's no time constraint. So you've got like unfathomable immersion, you know, without time. And that it's not that you're, you know, experiencing your life as you experienced it, but rather they describe experiencing your life in the most like, you know, I guess an important memorable moment from the perspective of the people who you are influenced. You know, the people who you had an impact on. And it's not just from their perspective, but in this near-death experience life review, the way that they describe it, you are those people, you know? It's like, and every, you know, all the scriptures, all the spirituality, like there's this idea that separation is an illusion. That at the end of the day, that there's only oneness, we're all one thing, we're all eyes in the same head, you know? We're all the same thing, wearing different costumes. - Right, so that begs the question, like why are we separate? Like what's the purpose of these things? - For experience. - Like the, as I understand it, the way that, you know, what I've bought onto is that the universe, you know, everything, you know, like God, in the absolute form, God as one thing cannot have experience because there's nothing to relate to, you know? And so God in the absolute sense is kind of a, it's pure love, it's this pure, awesome, but it's very lonely, you know, proposition. So the idea of the separation is the universe, God, like blasts itself into infinite different things to create the realm of the relative. So now there's, you know, we have the separation. So now we can relate to it. This allows for God to experience itself. Which you would never be able to do. You would never be able to have up and down or, you know, and like anything. And so it's like the whole point is for experience. - Right, but what's the benefit of experience for God? - To know itself. - So this is in regards only to human beings or to all animals? - Um, different, like the souls, and I go down these fucking rabbit holes, dude. Like I particularly recently, I did this whole audio book, a modern English version of a book that was published in 1857 by a French dude named Alan Cardek, who, it's called the Spirit's Book. And, you know, you've like gotten all these mediums that you're communicating with and putting together of this like, you know, definitive book on spiritism. - Right. - And the way that that book describes it is that animals have souls, but not souls that with like moral implications of the growth, you know, the purpose of our separation and the purpose of our experience is to have free will, to have the choice to do good or bad or, you know, whatever. But to evolve as a soul, where you evolve towards being loving and, you know, - Where was he getting this from? - From mediums. - From mediums. So the spirit world was telling him this. - Yeah, and like, crazy, like, like, a lot of, like, it's good. - The problem with mediums is the problem, it's the same problem that you have with trans people using the bathroom, some are legit. (laughs) - Sure. - And some of them are just not, you know, and that's the issue with anybody saying that they know exactly why, you know, and what is the difference between the way animals think and behave and humans think and behave? - Well, just, I think with animals, there's, you know, it's that they're like-- - They're in the wild, they need survival. - Survival, you know, where like, where humans have kind of a higher level of like a higher bar to meet because we have like more, there's more moral implications to the way we conduct our lives. - Yeah, well, we've also figured out shelter, right? So we're a little bit, we have doors. And so we're not, we're separated from the wild world, which has allowed us to have a lot more time to innovate and think. It might be correct. - I think that-- - It's just interesting, 'cause it's like, the problem is people, like, they buy in to things as being like absolute truth, and especially things that are exciting, like spiritual mediums and spirits and channeling and all that shit. - I think that with the near-death experience, you know, all these thousands of people have had the accounts. There's a society of near-death experienceers, like, you know, official, like whatever, you know. - What if any frauds slip in there with a fake story of almost dying? - I don't think so. - I bet they do, yeah. - I don't doubt it. - I think the consistency across all of these accounts, it's like, it kind of like lends legitimacy to me, you know. - Well, that's the case with the alien abduction experiences. - Right. - That's another weird one. It's like, I wanna dismiss it out, you know, I haven't had it, so I'm like, "Ah, fuck these people, it's not right." But man, it gets weird. It gets real, especially when you go, you read like Jacques Valais' work, and you realize this stuff has been going on in the 1700s, 1800s. They just had a different way of talking about it, 'cause they didn't have the idea that a physical craft could fly in the sky that's made out of metal to them that was alien. - Right. - It didn't make, I mean, for lack of a better word, but so they didn't describe it that way, but they did describe meeting these creatures and being taken away and waking up. - Sucked up in a light. - Yeah, it was things like that. It's like, there's so many of those stories, and then the actual stories of people that have been supposedly abducted, that have these stories of these encounters. If they're oddly similar, regardless of where they live in the world, which is real weird. - Right. - And it's one of those things, if it hasn't happened to you, you really wouldn't be able to describe it. - Sure. - And if you didn't believe, and if it did happen to you, you'd be like, "How am I even gonna tell anybody about this?" - Right. - 'Cause no one else has this experience, so this is gonna be a crazy thing that I'm gonna talk about. Everyone's gonna think I'm a cook. That's been a lot of people's experience, I think, up until recently. So now, with the way that people describe the life review, and they describe things where they said something nasty, and whatever, they did something, hurtful. And in their life review, they are the person, they feel that sort of, and they come back with such, maybe remorse, maybe more, like heightened compassion, like less interest in material things. And I just think to myself, "Oh my God, in my life, "when I was such a fucking nightmare with drugs, "and sex and all that fucking crazy, "just like I did a lot of, I created a lot of wreckage. "I think I was harmful and hurtful. "I've been better, but even like, coming up, "I'm almost 18 years clean and sober. "Even in those 18 years, I've had a bad temper, "or whatever, like overly, and-- - You're a human being, man. - Right, the trajectory of my life, I believe, has been much, like, upward improvement, which I'm really grateful for. But when I hear about these accounts, when people describing the life review, I think, "Oh my God, I gotta. " - You're worried about a comment section in heaven. That's literally what you're sitting here tweaking out about. - A little bit, like a little bit. I view the remainder of my life as an opportunity, like a big gigantic opportunity to stack the good, and, you know, like, bit, just be more-- - Well, that's good. - So I'll just go around-- - Look, anything that gives you motivation to be a good person is great. - Yeah, that's great. If that's how you have to do it. - Yeah, I'll keep like a big fucking water cash in my pocket so I can just give 20 bucks to every Uber driver, every homeless person, like, you know, and I think, like, yeah, maybe that's just. Selfishly, I won't have a better life review. (laughing) - Well, if selfishly wanting to have a better life review makes it be a nicer person, then it's worth it. - 100%. - Yeah, that's all. - I care about that so much. - Okay. - Yeah. - So you're in your own head a lot, huh? - Yeah, it's a pretty nervous-- - Do you have anything else you do that, like, where's you out? Do you do anything physical? Do you like hard workouts? Do you like drain you of anxiety? - Do you, you know, I do yoga every day for 30 minutes? - Oh, that's good. - That's good. - And I got the perfect push-ups. You ever do those? - Sure. - I just got this killer strength machine at my house in Tennessee that I haven't been to in fucking two months. - Yeah, for a lot of people, that's a relief from anxieties like hard workouts. Like this, 'cause, look, there's benefits to having regret because you course correct, and you become a bit-- - Right. - But after a while, you can't be thinking about it all the fucking time. Because then what you're doing, you're addicted to self-analysis. - Right. - And there's a lot of people out there addicted to self-analysis. There's a lot of people that love going to therapy so they can talk about themselves and talk about their feelings. And some of that is really good for you. And some of that is very beneficial, 'cause you could develop tools that could help you manage your life. But there's also people that are just narcissists and just like going to a place where it's all about them for an hour. And this is a problem with self-analysis and living in your own head. As you gotta get outside of your head. This is the benefit of psychedelics. They get you outside your head. And living in that whole, what does everybody think about me, let me check, or what do I do? Oh, my bad guy. (humming) - Right. - Not good for you, man. And not just, it's not productive. Like it doesn't allow you to do the things that you wanna do in life efficiently and effectively. - Yeah. - Whoa. - What is it saying here? Serious listening? Why don't you have that thing? Get rid of those fucking watches. Those ridiculous. Watch, tell you the fucking time. That's it. It should be breeding emails too. You have a phone. Stop. Stop, oh shit, they carry around with you. It's all right. - I feel like you're seeing right through me, Joe. Like I do, my head is very fucking mean to me. (laughing) - Well, it also could be the kind of people you surround yourself with. You know, if you're around other people that think more along the lines of, look, you gotta have radical self forgiveness for your past. You gotta let it go. You're not a loser from, you're not the guy who got stuffed into a locker in high school. Okay, you gotta let that go. And it's hard for people. There's people that were so bullied in high school that they will go to high school as a fucking grown man with children and they will get anxiety and panic in that same high school because they still associate themselves with who they were back then. And you know, at a certain point in time, you have to move on. You know, you have to let it go. - Yeah. - And you know, it's good to recognize your flaws and want to improve upon them. Up to a point. And then you gotta concentrate on what you're doing and what you enjoy doing and just doing a good job at everything that you do. And one of the things that prevents you from doing a good job at everything you do is constantly being in your own head. - Right. - You can get in the way. - Yeah. You know, I got this, I moved out to Tennessee. I got this big property. - You got Nashville? - 45 minutes north of Nashville. - Okay, so you're out in the woods. - I'm out in the woods. Yeah, all of the fancy, like-- - Do you ever hear a yeehaw in the middle of the night and get worried your shotguns in the distance? - No, but I've got this great neighbor's man like, - My name. - My name. - My neighbors are so awesome. - That's cool. - I got the place in September 2023. So I've been out-- - How did you choose that area? - You know what it was, like, I got the, I started hearing about people getting notifications from their insurance companies in LA that their homeowners policy wouldn't be renewed because of the risk of fires. And I was like, dude, I live in the Hollywood Hills, like my, it's just a fucking exercise and waiting for my house to burn down. Like I've got this fucking house is uninsurable. You know, and like, I was like, man, I don't wanna be waiting for my house to burn down. And I wanted to have a bunch of land so I can open up an animal sanctuary. You know, that's my deal. - Oh, that's cool. - Yeah, so I knew that I wanted to get a place outside of California and it was supposed to be quarry seeing Hagen against Islam in Nashville, Tennessee. And I was like, oh my fuck, it ended up-- - There are different weight classes. - Oh, okay, no, no, no, no, okay, yeah, not Islam. - Who's Omar? - Omar and the mayor. - Omar? - Yeah, Omar. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah, good, good catch. It was supposed to be Omar. Like I was like, oh my god, I gotta be there. So excited. I ended up being coerced Hagen against Rob Funt because Omar backed out somehow, rather. - Oh, got injured. - Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, all right, I'm fucking going out to, I decided that I'm gonna go look at properties in Tennessee just for a weekend and the only motivation was to go for the fights. - Oh. - Could I fucking love the UFC, man? - Oh, that's awesome. - I love the UFC, so I went out there. - Good one, the Skinking, coming out. - Yeah, right, the BMF. - Yeah, that should be exciting. Max Holloway versus Charles Holabera. That is a great fight. - And do the whole fucking card. And all the way down the prelims. Like get the fuck out of here. - Yeah, some of the names on the prelims. - Yeah, so I looked at properties. We went down like in All Around and when I got to this one, 44 acres house with the fucking additional dwelling unit like apartment on the garage, like, and this trail that goes through the woods in a perfect one mile loop, they drove us around that trail, it's like, I got it. - I'm like this place, they can get me for work because I have to have it. They're just gonna-- - Well, it's good for a guy like you. That's probably a great thing to have too, is just get some peace. - I do it. When I got out there, I was like, oh my God, I'm not chewing on my lip. I'm not like, I can breathe. - Now the problem is that I'm not there very much because I'm always fucking touring and working and chasing and writing. - Listen, that's the touring and working as a gift. You have the ability to do that. It's way better than wishing you could be touring and working. - Right. I mean, that's how it was when I started doing comedy. So I got sober in 2008, right? Up to that point, I was 33. And up to that point, I never thought I was gonna fucking make it to third. You know what I was just like, it's just-- - You were chaos. - Yeah, I was literally just never even imagined. Like I wasn't worried about saving money, I wasn't worried about, like I was just, ah, I'm gonna be dead. And then all of a sudden I got clean and sober. And it's like, wow, now I'm ceasing to like actively kill myself. I'm starting to take care of myself. Maybe I'm gonna be alive for decades to come. - Right. - And like holy shit, like 2008, like whatever I had saved at that time was just, you know, like, and I'm like, how am I gonna fucking eat? If I'm gonna be, like, I'm only like less than halfway through my life, I burned every bridge in my career. And, you know, they're telling me that if I wanna like be, you know, clean and sober and have any kind of a good life, I've got to deflate my ego, I've got to practice spiritual principles. How the fuck am I supposed to be? Steve O. Advocate with a deflated ego and on a spiritual path. I didn't know if I could continue to have any kind of a career as I knew it. So now I'm like, how am I gonna eat, you know, like my savings just got blasted and I started doing comedy, going to the lab factory, like, they'd give you like 20 bucks, you know, like sign here and they'd be like 20 bucks. And then like, when the JackS3D came out, I went on the Howard Stern show and I'm like, Howard had been in the comedy club every night, I'm having a blast and just by saying that on Howard Stern, my lawyer called me up like in the next week or so, he says, I've got comedy clubs all over the country, Colin trying to book you like, what's this about? And they're offering like all this money, I'm like, wait, you can make, what, you can make that much money, like go into a fucking comedy club for a weekend, like holy shit. I'm like, I gotta fuck and figure out how I'm gonna eat for the next, you know, 50 years maybe. So I just fucking started grinding. - Yeah, we've talked about this. - Yeah. - It's, you know, I think that anybody wants to do comedy, should do comedy and there's a weird thing that happens with comedy where there's a lot of gatekeepers, like, oh, what is he doing doing comedy? - Right. - Which I think is gross. But yeah, I mean, I'm glad you found something else, but it's just being yourself, you know? - For sure. - You could still be on a spiritual path and still do it. - Oh, 100% I figured that out. I figured that out completely. And I think that the point being that I, like that, in 2011, like Jesus, man, like I'd have been, you know, 52 weeks of the year, like, no way that I wasn't, like, full on fucking engagement for, like, 45 weeks of that year, you know? - That's awesome. - Yeah, and just by doing it that much, like the repetition, it's like, oh, okay, now, like I'm developing a craft. - Yeah, if you care about it, if you care about it and you get into it, you get better on it. - Dude, I care so much. - But it's harder for a guy who, like you, that's already famous to start out because, you know, some people, they're already famous, like, I went on the road with Charlie Murphy when he was doing that. And it was like the ballsyest thing ever. Like, Charlie was famous for being on the Chappelle Show and then starting out doing comedy. When I went on the road with him, I think he'd only been doing comedy, like, two years at the time. I'm like, man, this is such a ballsy thing to do. Because you're, there's so many expectations of you, A, your Eddie Murphy's brother, which is nuts. You see, your brother, one of the greatest of all time. And then on top of that, you're already famous from one of the funniest comedy shows of all time and you're a beginner, which is wild, you know? - Yeah. It's a blessing in a curse. Because you can self-tick it's because people know you they wanna see you. But, but you're a-- - A lot of guys, they get together with other people that can help them formulate an act, maybe help them write, help them piece together. Maybe if they don't even writing for you, at least they can help you consolidate your thoughts and, you know, put together some, like, if you're smart, that's the way to do it. Like hire some people that can help you. - I've never been able to have people write for me. - Well, that it's not necessary, you don't have to. But it's a good idea for like, you're a little bit different than a traditional stand-up comic though. You have stand-up comedy, but you also do multimedia stuff and stunts and silly things. For people that just, like, Charlie was just doing comedy. - Right. - I started out doing that. I would do like a set of stand-up and then I would have like a set of sort of repeatable stunts and tricks at the end. - Right, so this is not like lap factor when you're one of the people on the line. - Right, right, right, right. - This is when you're doing your own shows. - Right, right. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's how the tour began. - Oh, that's awesome, man. - Yeah, I'm just fucking stoked. And you're in a good place. You just gotta get out of your own head. - Yeah, my head terrorizes me a lot. - Yeah, you gotta get out of your own head and probably surround yourself more with people that also are not in their own head. - Right. - You know, because that's just contagious. Just like being a loser is contagious. Like if you're around people that are losers, like that's chicken rub off on you. But on people that sabotage their life all the time, you're with them, like, ooh, then you're wrapped up in their shit and you're not progressing, you're regressing, because you're like constantly with this guy who's like fucking his life up all the time. - Right. - Real, you know, some people have to cut ties. Just try to surround yourself with people from your yoga class. Like go to a solid yoga class and find solid people. Like just that is like be the type of person that solid people wanna be around, but also find those people too. - Right. - And both of those things will benefit you. 'Cause if you're in your own head and you're on other people that are like worried about their career too and they're in their own head and they're freaking out about their comments and you're freaking out about your comments like, geez. - Right. - Stop, this is not good for anybody. - Yeah. - Yeah, and it's helpful to look at the facts, you know, like whatever I've been through, whatever, like a-- - But even that is thinking about yourself too much. Think about your stuff. Think about what you're doing. - Right. - Don't think about like, I have accomplished so much and this is why I don't have to worry. Like, eh, that don't, you don't get me. There's no gas in that. - That's right, right. - I don't know that that's what I meant, but like what I've been going through over the last few weeks I was telling you about. - Yeah. - And to the fact that like our Jackass movies and fucking full bore, full force. - There you go. Doesn't change the fact you have a dick on your forehead. - Doesn't change that. Yeah, like nobody has, nobody who matters to me has voiced any concern about any of these. - That's all that matters. Then it's the people that are close to you that really matter. It's just like, you're just a little too in your own head, bro. I hope this helped. - I, you know, I really fucking did it. (laughing) - It really good, dude, Ben. It shouldn't be worried. - I care. - I know you do, but it's the reason why you care is because you're a good dude. But your brain can hijack you. - Yeah. - You know, your thoughts can run away with you. I mean, we've all had it happen before. - Right. - You get a thought, it runs away with you and then you gotta bring it back. But you gotta get better at corralling that bitch. You know, it's like being a dog trainer. You can't have your dog shit in all of your house chewing up your furniture. You're like, hey, hey, stop. Those mean you don't love your dog. It's like, you don't want them shitting on your couch. Look, tell 'em not to do that. Be a good dog trainer. Be a good stevo trainer. Like, don't let stevos brain run away from them and piss on the TV. That's crazy. Same kind of thing. Gotta train yourself. - Yeah. - I think that that's perfectly fair, man. And I'm super grateful for your brother. - I'm grateful for you too. Like I said, I just hate seeing you in your own head 'cause you're a great guy. You're fun to be around. You're always very thoughtful and very friendly and don't worry about it, man. It's gonna be all right. - Well, thank you, dude. - And then you're gonna come back as a butterfly or some shit. (laughing) - Right. Maybe you'd come back as a World War II pilot. Maybe you go back in time. That'll be wild. You have memories of the future. - Oh, dude. - You haven't heard about that. - Yeah, it's 'cause if reincarnation, if time's not linear, if time exists all at once, like maybe reincarnation is not linear either. Maybe there's people that die and then they have messages from the future. You know? - Imagine you're in the trenches of World War I. You're like, are you fucking kidding me? Are you seven? I had a watch that was, my dad was calling me on it. - Right. - This is so stupid. Now I'm worried about getting eaten by wolves in this fucking trench. - Right. I mean, the idea of quantum physics, quantum mechanics. - Containment. - All possible realities all exist. - Yeah. - All in one moment. - Allegedly. I don't understand it. I've tried. - Right. How's Marshall? - He's great. He's great. - How old is Marshall? - He's nine. - Wow. - Yeah. It makes me sad that I worry that he's only gonna live for a few more years. - Right. - That's what spooky. Golden's when they eat well and they're well fed, they could live like 15, 16 years. I just gotta take care of them. - I just like, it's just like thinking about him not being around. It's like, it's really hard. We were playing today. Now I take them in the yard, throw the ball with them and we're hanging out and cuddling and I just can't imagine a life where that dog's not around. You know, like he's, he's just a big love sponge. He loves everybody. Everybody comes over the house. The first thing he does, he runs up to you. He waxes his tail, he rubs up against you and then he lies down because he knows you want to pet his belly. He's like, come on. You know what I'm petting me? (laughing) He's just so used to being touched by everybody. - Right. - Like that's his existence is just love. - I was in Peru in 2017 with Chuck LaDelle. We were doing this-- - We found that dog. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That, I still have Wendy. - That's awesome. That's awesome. - She's at this point like 11. - Wow. - And just like dogs. - It's like dogs, it's so sad. They don't live long enough. I know. But did since Wendy's now retired, living on my ranch in Tennessee. - That's cool. - And she has become the narliest country girl. Like she'll just go out on the property and come back with like a fucking gnarly deer leg. - Did she just sit there? - She just sit there. - That's normal. That's dog behavior. - And I got this ranch cat that I'm pretty sure. Like he goes out there and like hunts squirrels or whatever. - And everybody comes out. - And then he brings them to Wendy. 'Cause I was trying to figure out why I was Wendy getting so fucking fat. I'm like tell my ranch hand. I'm like dude, we gotta like not feed Wendy so much. She's like kind of fucking getting fat. She's like dude, I've been like feeding her less but she just seems to still be getting fucking fat. And we find her like she cruises up with like just some big ass rodent. - Oh. - Big s-- - And this is gonna kiss you when you're at-- - And she just hold breath. - Just crunching it. - I watch her house a whole fucking squirrel to the face. - And she just swallow the whole fucking thing. (imitates dog barking) - And I know that she's her old fat ass wasn't fast enough to catch a squirrel. The only way is it's gotta be the cat's killin' it and give it to her. - So the cat kill the squirrel and it's like, hey friend, I got something for you. 'Cause cats just wanna kill. - Yeah. - They kill so much man. Wild, if you let a cat go wild, you basically, you wanna do harm, let a cat go loose. That'll kill thousands and thousands of things. I saw a cat the other day on a ranch. It was really wild. I turned a corner and I saw it right as this cat pounced. So this cat was in the grass and it was doing that thing where their back goes up and the butt starts wiggling and just flew through the air and landed. I'm like, how happy is this fucking cat living out here? Like just be able to jack all these poor little unsuspecting animals all day long. That's what they wanna do man. The guy brought the property from, he said, you will never see a fucking mouse, a fucking rat. He's like this cat, 'cause we inherited the cat right here. - Oh, that's cool. - He's like this cat takes his job fucking seriously. - It's way better than having mice around. That's for sure. But they are mass murderers. - Yeah. - Do you know that like house cats, wild house cats, feral cats kill billions of mammals every year, just in America? Billions. - Feral house cats. - Wild cats. - Cats that get left out time. - Regular old cats. - Regular cats, not like coogers. - And they killed billions of birds and mammals. Be-I, billions. Billions. They are so good at it. They love to do it. I used to have this fluffy, she was like, I forget what they're called, the kind of cat she was, but she was just a ball fluff. Like she was just purr when you pet her and like, that little bitch was a murderer. Hey, literally outside, she got a bird. Like this is crazy, she's jump up a snag a bird out of the air. I'm like, oh. They're, and they would, she would sit by the window and she would see a squirrel outside, and her teeth would start chatting. (laughing) Like she just couldn't wait to bite it. (laughing) They would make these weird noises, staring at birds and squirrels. Like, it's just in them, man. - Yeah. - They're little killing machines. - Yeah, I got a good fucking, I got to, I'm gonna have so many fucking animals. - That's awesome. - I think it's a point, it's pigs and goats and cats and dogs. - That's dope, dude. That sounds like a great life. And a great balance to the chaos that you have when you were younger. And also a great balance to touring, right? - Right. - Tooring in all these cities, you come back home. - Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet. Oh, dear, I love it so much, man. And it's a, I'm all set up. It's an official 501-C3 nonprofit animal sanctuary. - Oh, so you can take in animals. Like if someone has a dog that's been abandoned or a goat that they can't take care of, and you, oh, that's cool. - Yep, that sounds really cool, man. - That's called the Radical Ranch. - Ah. - Yeah. - And the website'sradicalranch.org. - Oh, you have a website. - Just went live like last month. - Oh, cool. - Like a month, like in January, it went live. So yeah, like people can fucking donate or whatever, see all the animals on there. It's pretty rad. - That's dope, brother. There it is. - There it is. - There's Wendy. - Oh, look at all this little animals. How about a good time? - Believe it or not, that's Photoshop. (laughing) - You're not getting all those animals in one shot? - That's Photoshop? - Yeah. - Oh, okay. That's deceptive. How dare you? - Well, I mean, I wanted to get-- - You're having a party, just like a Disney movie. - I wanted to have all the animals in one shot. And, yeah. - That's actually makes sense. Otherwise, I was like, why didn't that dog chase those goats? (laughing) - Why is the goat dealing with the dog being right there? - Right. - All right, brother, well, I appreciate you very much. - Dude, likewise. - It's always good to talk to you. - Yeah, I try to be pretty sparing if I'm gonna hit you up or try to make sure that it-- - Don't worry about it, man. Just be you. Don't worry about it. - Yeah, well, dude. - It's all gonna be fine. - I appreciate you so much. - I appreciate you too, brother. - This was fucking important. - I did something. (laughing) - I'm playing. All right, bye everybody. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)