#2443 - Filippo Biondi

[MUSIC] >> The Joe, Rogan, experience. >> Showing my day, Joe Rogan podcast my night all day. [MUSIC] >> All right, sir. >> Fine, thank you. >> Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid. And incredibly controversial, very fascinating. And if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all human history. >> Yes, thank you for this invitation. And yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group. And Dean, a professor of chemistry at University of Pisa. >> Did you explain your background please so people will understand? >> Yes, my background is, I am a telecommunication engineering, I graduate at the university. >> What is that word again, say it again? >> Telecommunication engineering. >> Telecommunication engineering, okay, it's like, your English is excellent. But your Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's difficult to translate. >> Thank you very much, Joe. >> I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not mother tongue of English, so. >> It's still much better than my Italian. >> Okay, there you go. >> Yes, I graduated in myself at the University of Lake South of Italy, very nice university. And it was, it is, has the name of a famous Mathematic, Italian, which is Anio de Georgi. Anio de Georgi was living in the era, then John Nash, was living also. And they were one against to the other. And they were, they was both studying the 19 Hilbert problem. And John, Anio de Georgi solved this problem one week before John Nash. >> Ah, interesting, John Nash, who from the famous movie Brilliant Mind, Russell Crowe. >> Yes, yeah, and so then I perform at my PhD at La Sapienza in Rome, and now I'm here. >> And how did you get involved in this discovery? >> Yes, I worked on radar and synthetic operator radar for a lot of time, radar. >> From the Italian military, right, some work, which you can't really talk about, no, right. >> And I was involved in some research where together with the Italian Research Conceal of Bari, always South of Italy, we was testing some special processing that were able to perform something special, and so this is. >> So, this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out, and this is satellite-based technology, correct? >> Yes. >> And it's a radio tomography? >> Yes, it is something, in my personal opinion, very simple. The radar is in Stalledon-Borden, the satellite, the satellite flies in this place at a distance of 600 kilometers at 7 kilometers per second in velocity. So while it flies along the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the earth. The snapshots has to be focused, and this focus in procedure, let's say, in the Azimuth, I take it easy, in the Azimuth direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound, because it is involved at the so-called Doppler frequency. You know, Joe, when you hear noises that are approaching to you, this noise will rise the frequency, because the target has a velocity, a positive velocity with respect to you, and so the frequency is rise up. And this procedure allows us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration information that is always present at the surface of the earth, in terms of evanescent waves that are present on the surface of the earth. So this vibration, which is mechanical vibration, carries inside of this the information that is located underground, and so we did this. And was it a specific idea specifically to look under the pyramids, or was it something that was discovered accidentally? Okay, yes, once we discovered this method, it was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga, and at the time, we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. And so we were talking about something that, if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids, because he needed some information to conclude the research that he was doing, and so I proposed him to use my technique, and we started to work together, and so we focus it in the time on the pyramids. And when was this, what was the first scans, yes, in 2019? And when you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're showing today, where you see the columns with the coils around it? Okay, in, let's say that this research is, can be divided by two. The first one, 1.0, we were concentrating research on the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the Keops pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid. And so we have the tailored, tailored, our processing to watch only inside the pyramids, because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were doing that kind of research. Then once we discovered things in 2020, we published the peer review paper, and we gave a public, the results that we found inside the Kunum Kufu pyramid, we decided to expand our research in all the Giza plateau. Can I, I saw there, the, when you looked in, so we know quite a bit about the Kufu pyramid, and what the chambers are inside of it, did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist? Absolutely yes, because we have detected this multilayer structure that is inside the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the so-called Z, we have discovered it very well from the space, and it is located inside the pyramid. And also we discovered it and the new, we know we discovered it. We gave an image also of the other known structures, like the Grand Gallery, the Grand Gallery. And then also the Queen's chamber and the King's chamber also, so. And accurate, international size and dimension. And also position and location. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid? Yes. We decided to focus below the pyramid because we were, our intention was to expand our research. And then also thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando May, he suggests us to expand our research and scan all the Giza plateau. And so what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid? Yes. In the second part of our research, we started focusing our scans on the Kefir pyramid and like Kunum Kufu. And then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper. And so when we did these very nice things, they began to appear on our results. Well, what did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns? I believe they're the diameter's 20 meters. 20 minutes. So they're huge and enormous columns. Yes. And through your mind? Skepticism. Skepticism. I told, also, Corrado was with me because we had those results in our desk without disclosure or anything for six months because my opinion was that it was not real. I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due by our processing procedures. Did you pause at all that they were so uniform that these columns were in very specific places and they lined up, there was a uniform cap in between them? Yes. And why we disclosure this? Because we started to use also satellites. And once we, at the beginning, we were using only the Italian satellite system that is Cosmos Kymet and Cosmos Kymet's second generation. It's very good, very precise. But we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we were searching, we were searching confirmation, confirmation. So once we had the same results while we was using American satellites called the Capella Space and also other satellites having always the same results we decided to disclose. How many different scans have been done on this area? To more than 200. More than 200. And all with uniform results? Yes. Wow. Yes. A lot of resistance to this, and it's from the usual characters. And it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans. And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things. Like, didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have? Yes. Yes. Yes. I have born in Laquila, which is located in the center of Italy. There is a huge mountain called Granzasso, the Granzasso of Italy, which has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 meters for being precise to 993 meters. And so, there is a tunnel, very, very long tunnel, about 11, 12 kilometers. And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say like that. And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain. Yes. Okay. So, we know it's accurate, we know it works. What do you think, other than what I said, it's gatekeepers of archeological information. It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What do you think it is that is causing this resistance? Personally, it's true, we found a lot of resistance, yes, it's true. But personally, I don't know why. I can say something regarding to my personal opinion, joy, it is something that maybe is too big, too huge, too, to be disclosored like that today, I don't know why. It's confusing to be because it's essentially paradigm shattering because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The great pyramid is 2,300,000 stones, the alignment is the perfect true north, south, east and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built it. This is undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least 2,500 BC, probably even older than that. We really don't know. But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, we don't know anything. We really don't. We know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb. But that doesn't make any sense because there's no hieroglyphs inside of it, it doesn't seem like a tomb, it doesn't look like a tomb. I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work, which he's an engineer and he said it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power. Yes, in this context I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn and I like a lot his theory and it makes sense and so this discovers matches a lot with his and also to other scientists that makes make recast the effective purpose of the pyramid not to be tombs. So today we are sure we are sure of one thing that the pyramids are not tombs. They're not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg. Yes. That's just the top. Yes. Yes, you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored but you have data that shows us that let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about? What was this civilization? When did it exist and what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling? But if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity. Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because what we found, it is something that has been confirmed by our measurements. And at the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we have because there aren't other data. So what we are observing, we are observing, principally, vertical structures. This vertical structure has a pattern, a regular pattern, and this regular pattern is constituted by a so-called spiral nature. I found this. Okay, so what are we looking at here? These are. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yes, that is the Caffer pyramid, and you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the X, so the horizontal dimension, we have the space, okay, space, just the range. And on the vertical, we have the depth, okay, on the top, we have the pyramid, you see, you see the pyramid on the top, and while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down and look, you have the spiral nature of the structures. Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen, so let me see some other images. Because this is just one, right? I know, that's what this is from his presentation, and I didn't know where to get the best information from it. Okay, pack up one. So go, go, okay, again. We have a lot of images here that is recasting all the results that we have done together. So the images that are going around online, that people have seen, are these 3D replicas okay? Pull up some more of these? Okay. Some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath, correct? We have performate measurements, and they are sound measurements that are, that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites, so they are very precise, and they are coherent, coherent, it means that contains a lot of information, so it is characterized to have high entropy. And so when we perform a so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath. Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like. Yes. And how are you getting that from the image that's below that? Okay. So the image is just one aspect of the data, correct? Yes. The image? This. Yes. Yes, it is. Yes. Okay. Here, we are observing inside the coffee pyramid, and inside the coffee pyramid, we are observing those structures there. Those are inside the coffee pyramid. And the image above, yes, that is an artist's recreation of what you think it looks like. Yes. Now how did you make that determination, that's what it looks like? Okay. The 3D model has been, has been retrieved, not observing just only one result, but observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve, so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay. So, observing the results, we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located, starting from the base of the coffee pyramid going down. I've seen other images of scans that are more convincing than the one that's below. So let's see if we can find some of those, what else do you have here? Yes, these are all images that are related to the first. Okay. So this is just an article that's in the news. Okay. I mean, I even went here, I don't know. What is, like where's a good place to get the best versions of these images, like that right there? Okay. Okay. What is this? Here we are watching a wide area of our tomographies look and we see the structures that are going down. Yes. This is much clearer. Yes. Okay. And below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge, approximately having a width and length and height of 80 meters. So 80 meter structures that are below all this. So almost the size of a football field, below all this, that is some sort of a chamber. And see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, how did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery, whether they come in this uniform, that outer end of it? I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils. Okay. Let's see if we find those. Yes. You know which slide maybe? If you go down, please. Yeah. Wait a minute. Okay. Okay. Here. Okay. Here we can observe a regular pattern, so not coils in we go down, please. Okay. Regular pattern and the coils are beginning to be seen then on the third image. Here. Regular pattern. Go down, please. And here, this is in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to the right, the fifth image, one, two, three, fourth image, I'm sorry, where you have a core at the center of the coil at the center of the structure and then we have something that spirals down. So is anybody speculated about what this could possibly be, like what these coils are? Yes. I spoke with two independent, let's say with some independent researchers, and especially with Christopher Dunn and also I spoke also with Jeffrey that he's considering also the Giesa Power Plan like a chemical reactor or something like that. So we have on one side scientists that say, okay, it can be something related to electricity, or we have something related to chemicals or other things. In my personal opinion, me, I can see anything, I can say anything because I just measured what there is there. So it is not my job to do this. My job is, okay, here we have the measurements and now we have to see what there is inside. In my personal opinion, this is the right time to say, okay, let's go there and see what there is. Let's start digging. Yes. Yeah. So, yes, this is very important if you want, I can tell you about this, okay. Because it is the very important research project that I am working now, and it is something that if could be possible, we can go there and without digging anything, we can go below. Right, because belonging between the springs and the copper pyramid, there are some shafts. And there, there are the photos of the shafts where we can go in situ and we can physically go there and watch those shafts. Currently the shafts are blocked by debris and there is also rubbish inside. So we, I performed, I performed a lot of scans at those shafts and you see Joe, the shafts goes down, down, down, down and they reach chambers that are below. And that is the doppler tomorrows. Yes. Yes. How far do they go down? Yes. They go down approximately 600 meters. 600 meters. Wow. Yes. So, 600 meters down and then they reach a chamber. Yes. What is the conventional explanation for these shafts, is there one? Like, what is the current archaeologist, what is academia, what do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second. Yes. It is a 3D model that me and Corrado did and so to observe all the structures that we have find, that we found, evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the Gisa Plateau. So it's not just under the Great Pyramid, it's under all three pyramids. And also the Sphinx. And also the Sphinx. Yes. Do they go down to uniform depth? We found that the moment, the same depth, yes. And they all have chambers at the bottom of it. Yes, absolutely. Yes. And that's the, in my basketball binon, the next thing that we are dealing. At the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are huge chambers. How huge? As I told you before, 80 meters times 80 meters and times 80 meters of height. And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids? Yes. The same dimensions? Yes. Wow. When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning. Because it just makes you think, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism, and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have, because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this rewrite history, because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us. Yes. Because they were able to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the earth below. Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like, one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. That's the recreation of the vase, of one of the many vases that they have that is accurate in its, the way it was made, down to, God, what was the number, a thousandth of a human hair? Something crazy like that? Like much less than a human hair in the diameter, in the uniformity of it, in the fact that it was carved that it's this incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys, they, you know, they're supposedly had copper tools, no one understands it, no one knows how they did it, and it has handles on it, so it couldn't even have been turned on a lathe. Yes. And also, if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise, the chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions, and the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of the universe. Right. They're all aligned to the constellations, there's a lot of like very strange calculations that they were able to make, like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes right through. It's a fascinating place. Yes. So, you started acquiring this data, and you started accumulating it, and then started going over it with the experts, what did that feel like to you when you're, when you're realizing, oh, this is real. Yes. It was something that was very, very nice for me, because, because, when we, the thing was, I was saying, always to corrado, corrado, shall we disclose you this or not? I think for, for now, not, for now, not, but then the results were always the same. So, we decided to disclose you this. How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it? One year. One year. Yes. So, for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like, I have the biggest secret on earth. Yes. Yes. What's that? (laughs) Oh, you have to pass on you with this. That's crazy. That's crazy. Two people having one of the biggest secrets on earth. That's backed by data. I mean, it's not, it's not even like, you know, someone told you something, like you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm shifting structures. Yes. And, I tell you, Joe, I would like to go there and see what there is in person. Yes. Because it's, it's now time, I think. Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it? I tell you, Joe, I didn't find a lot of resistance. I found a lot of resistance in the internet, yes, a lot of the banking, a lot of people that know it's not true, it's not true, a lot of people that were continuing to say, no, radar can penetrate the earth for one kilometer, and they didn't know or they, they purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth. And with that information, we are retrieving tomographies. It's something new that I invented, but it works because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method. And this is 100%. And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired, but that's because you have new patents on better stuff. Yes. So I am under NDA, so we just, I think I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in USA. Nice. Yes. Wow. Have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this further? Yes. Yes. I tell you this, there are companies related to mining and crude oil extraction and then also water. Joe, today we are leaving a particular time because water is very important. We are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. So for me, the first thing that we have to do is to scan the earth and to fetch tool to find, to try and find other, let's say, opportunity to extract not salty water because it's very important. So you'll be using this technology for that as well? For now not, but I'm thinking to do it. Well, it makes sense. I mean, if you can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well. And that would be an even, and also if it's accurate, that will also help garner support for this exploration of whatever is under there. And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me. And so let's see what we can do. And so this is all companies that have reached out after you release the results underneath the pyramids? The most of them are calling me recently. Right. So they've heard about it. They've heard about it. Well, that's capitalism, right? They say, oh, we can make money off of this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's good. It gets people interested. It gets people involved in this. And so we have also a philanthropic project. We are opening a foundation in Malta. We are realizing it in two weeks and we will have a foundation in Malta. And with that foundation, we can operate also philanthropially for the Gisapplato and other ants and the megalithics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything. Really? What is next? Maybe we can see a Pomapunko or other science. Yeah, yeah, go back to the tap, yes. Have you looked at the labyrinths underneath the ones that were described by Herodotus that Ben Van Kirkwick has been talking about on his uncharted X channel where there is a huge atrium with a 40 meter metallic object that's a shape of a tick-tack in there? Yes. They ask me to do it and we will do it. You have to do that. I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice but it requires a lot of calculations. So it is time consuming. So at the moment, we have some computers that are dedicated on Giza and other projects that we are doing and in the future, maybe we will have other machines that can work to do other things. But we will do it. We need time. But we will do it. Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it, has any of that resonated with you and rank true? Is there any validity to any of the criticisms? A radar is only precise. The nice thing that has a radar is the precision and especially from space. In space, it is a very silent environment. You don't have noise, the platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolute precision. And it is recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you have done with various different satellites. Correct. Not just one, so that one could have errors. So you are convinced? I am convinced. And because I invented the method, yes, I know. But I tell you that I am happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I am showing, I am happy. Well, you got there first. Yes. No matter what. I mean, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology, because if you are, you're welcome, but it's just fact. If what you're saying is true, we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century. I mean, that's absolutely mind-bending. Thank you for this. Yes. I am happy for being in this, but not only me, other people, helping me to do my work. Oh, sure. Of course, a lot of people. I didn't put it into my family. Yeah. This, these structures and this whole area, if this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau, but around other parts of Egypt, I mean, there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in sub-Saharan Africa, an advanced civilization that is in the area is not now sand. You could probably do that same sort of research there as well. Yes. I agree with this, and we will do it. Yes. Wow. What is life like for you now having this exposed and now, you know, having this on the internet and all of the speculation and all this excitement? What has that been like for you? Yes. I am not very used on all this exposure on the internet. It is something that I have to get used of this, yes. My life is simple, I live in Italy, but now I repeat this, it is time to go ahead and go on the Giza Plateau and in person I wish to see the effective structure, how they are and the purpose of the, of all the Plateau, what it is. And is there plans to do that in person to do some sort of excavation? Yes. I wrote a project proposal, which is a research and also not a research, a proposal and is now we are, our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities. If you want I can explain you this proposal, we are involving University of Ferrara, Principal Scientist, Professor Esavacaro, Italian Professor in Sheezer Geologist and other, and other governmental institutions that are very clever to do scans, so we are not using my technique, we use the state of the art technique that it is recognized by science today. And our intention is to concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I showed you, that we have seen, because we are not 99% convinced that or sure that those are natural entrances into the structures that are below, because we have the vertiga structures and the, you saw on the, on the tomographies you have also horizontal connections. So there's corridors? Yes. You have. And how large are these corridors? About, they, they are tall, about 3 meters tall. Okay. So about 9 feet tall? Yes. That can, that will, using these corridors, you will arrive directly inside the, the, the coils that we are, that we are visualizing, that we visualize before. So there's passages and shafts and these enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures? The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do cleaning, because now they are, sand, debris, yeah. And is there a timeline and when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff? Yes. It depends when we submit the project. When the project is ready, I know people that are living in, in Egypt, that when we are ready, we can submit the project proposal. Then we are, we are at, when the government, if, if approve the project, we can start. Now would imagine that something like this, something at this scale would require enormous funding. Yeah. How do you, how do you hope to acquire that? We, we can make, we can say people that this, this work is not for me, but is for humans. And so people, we, we, we ask people to help us in getting money to perform the work, to ask people. Have you reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this? I don't know them. Joe. You don't know them? No. But maybe it's a big ask. Yes. It's a big ask. You know asking. It's a big ask. I mean, a few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it costs to, to do this? We, we, we have to do, we did an estimation of the, an estimation about, I don't know for, maybe, maybe belonging for 20 millions or, or more. 20 million dollars. 20 million dollars. And this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath. And because why so much money? Because we are, our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We will, we want to use drones, robots to, to make something automatically. And so go down by using machines. Not humans. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. And that way you can get accurate real time video. Yes. Yes. Wow. With cameras and it will be something I am thinking about this. The most, maybe is one of the most ancient, megalitic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now to live in. And so we can recover modern and ancient together. So you've been giving this presentation now and even going around. What has that been like? What is the reception of it been like? Yes. A moderate positive reception. A moderate positive. So people that are like, if this is true, it's amazing, but you have to show me more. Yes. Right. I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out. You're out. Yes. It is better than that University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important universities in Italy, can stay there and manage all the work. It's better. Right. And I am out. Right. It's there. Show them the technology. Yes. Now, good luck. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And good luck. So tell me about this presentation. So how do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation. Tell me how you set this up. How you? How you set it up. So how you explain it to these, when you have these semi-sceptical scientists that are sitting down there, and you're going to tell them, I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up? Oh, they were, they were listening me very well and they asking me things about how they, everyone, the first thing that they asked me is how it works and that's good. And so I slowly explain, explain them how it works and how I arrived to make this presentation so to have our results and so on and so on and they, they, they, they, someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical. Which is what you want. Yes. Yes. You want healthy debate about this kind of stuff. Healthy debate. Yes. The only way you find out what the truth is. Yes. Only, only having a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I don't want to polarize people for me, you know, it's not my, it's not my job, I know. Well, not only that, it's not, you're just discovering something. Yes. This is something that's there and for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all, it's crazy. Yes. Like, if you're skeptical, we should probably explore it and if you're wrong, okay. Now we know it's not true. But if it is true, it's a crime to not investigate this. Yes. It's a crime to not investigate, yes. And I tell you, the solution to, we don't have to dig holes, ruin the, what is now preserved. No, we have to only clean enough, we have to only clean. And we have to use what there is made, it's for us, because those shafts, they are for us. They are calling us. Our, our rights are to clean them and see what there is. And go down and explore them personally. What just seems like if these shafts exist at a loan and they are at that depth that you describe and they are, the dimensions you describe, it really does lend credence to what you're saying. Yeah. Because it seems like there's a purpose for those things and if they do go down to the area where all these structures are, it seems like there's something there. In my personal opinion, they were built purposely and if you see the, they're access points, probably. Yes, they are access points. They are, they were made probably to, you know, Joe, when you go deep below the earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth that you are going. So the shafts are made purposely to take the, the, the function is to transport air, light and so cool what there is inside. Hmm. That makes sense. Yeah. Yes. Show me some other, other slides and other things that are in your presentation so you can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at. Okay. Yes. This is the Z. This is Mario Pinkerle. He was a researcher that he died on 2011 and he was studying the Z, which is the multi-layer monument. Let's call it a monument, but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside the pyramid. This is the group. This is the outlined image in the lower left hand corner. Yeah. That's the tomography that we, that we have retrieved. Look, it's very precise. Right. It looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What is the, what do you think the function of that thing is? Yes. The function is, is, is this it is, you, you see on the top of the structure there is something like a cap. Yes. A cap, that cap is, has a precise function to attract the vibration, okay. It's an antenna in the, in the vibration domain, okay. Attract the, the energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides, please. Okay. Here I did a simulation. Now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF, but I, I, I reproduced the function of the z on the computer, okay. Okay. And look, on the right side, we have all the vibrations that interacts one to each other to each layer. Look. And you can see that each layer, look how strange it is, each layer on the top of each layer, it is a scattered look on the top of each layer. And the bottom is very flat, it's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter, it is a, it is a low pass filter made by stones, very crazy this, that's a low pass filter. A low pass filter, what exactly is a low pass filter? Yes, a low pass filter is a filter that allows us, that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a stabilizer, frequency stabilizer, and the low pass or a, a, a certain low value of frequency. Okay. Right. And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory that there was something underneath the, the pyramid that there was a chamber that was, they were using to generate vibration. Yes. And the vibration would go through the entire structure. Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer, look, transmits directly inside the, the, the, the so called sarcophagus, that's not the sarcophagus, there. And so what do you think that what they call sarcophagus is immense granite box. Yes. Yes, the granite box, yes, and the inside the granite box was done to contain a man, a body, and that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down. So do you think there was actually a man inside there? So a person would lay in that box. Yes. And what, what happened to them? I don't know. Whoa, so, I don't know, that's a simulation that I did about that is precise. So you don't think it's for a dead body, you think it's for a live body. Yes. And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever. Probably, yes. What do you think it was? If you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration, these kind of frequencies in this resonating granite box? I can say something that is not scientific recognized. Yes, that's what I want. Maybe. Keep it up there, Jim. What do you think? The person was ready to have an out-of-the-body experience, induced, like a gateway, a gateway to the spirit world. Look, on the top, you have the antenna. The antenna is respecting all the vibrations that transmits all the signal below directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting. And what do you think was generating these vibrations? Ah, yes. The natural vibration of the earth and also some, let's say, the flowing of water, also the flowing of water, so it was generated by it. So flowing of water. There was also shafts that were, this was part of Christopher Dunn's theory, these shafts that reached the outside of space, that he thinks were attracting space radiation. Can be. Yeah, there's another possibility. Yes, another possibility. He also had a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration. For this, can be, yes, can be, but we don't mean through the entire structure, and this is creating this vibration, that's the antenna. You've got this filter through it, and then someone is laying in this sarcophagus, tripping balls. Yes. Whoa. That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you imagine that this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out-of-body experience or psychedelic gateway experience? I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic. Really? Okay. I don't want to explain it. What do you do? I was looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at a Cedar Point, which is like rollercoaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience. Yeah. That is only, in reference, you only understand it if you live there. If you've found Disney World now in 1,000 years, you'd be like, "What the fuck, they worship mice?" The fuck are you talking about, this is insane. It looks like a picture of mice everywhere. That's so true. You'd see that giant castle, and there's rides everywhere, and you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like, or the T-cups. It's nonsense. It's fun for kids, but also would make them feel amazing, but also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. You could put them all together and be like, "You could feel like a god." If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, "What the fuck, I don't know. I just had that wild idea one day." It's an interesting idea, because if you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences, and what more novel experience than a 2,300,000 stone structure that's perfectly aligned to True North-South, East and West, aligns to the stars of Orion's belt. Maybe lie inside a stone box, and the vibrations hit you, and you're in that box, "woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah." Not that you go out of the body. What it, who knows what it does to the body and the mind, because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard, and we love music, and just vibration itself. And this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela, supposedly to knock out all Maduro's troops, what could this thing have been? Yes, I am relatively sure that the principal actor of everything can be water, vibrations, so sound, but we are dealing now to the third thing, so the purpose, the exact purpose of this. Maybe it can be also more than one purpose, it's now more than one scope of the pyramids. The pyramids intended to be, now I am 100% convinced that the pyramids can be considered the type of the iceberg, of something very huge, that is composed by things that are below the earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the earth. So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape? Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe, they have to resonate with the universe. The universe, the universe, Joe, it is not complicated, it's simple. Because the universe is constituted by things, the matter, the particles, the light, yes, but everything is regulated by some constants, there are the constants. So the speed of the light, see three times ten to the eight kilometers per second, then you have so the loss of the light, so you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants, that are, that arranges very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to be well related to the place that we live, to the universe, has to contain very precisely the dimensions of the constants of the universe. And that's what you think the pyramids did. Personal, yes, personal, yes. How old do you think they are? Yes, yes, on the, sorry, the data allure starts with, I start speaking Italian. No, it's okay, it's okay. The thing that we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the typical history books. So to see something that, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the ZapTepi. So there's more than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the earth. So the ZapTepi began and in a time belonging the ZapTepi and the Great Flood were built the pyramids. So like what I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting. Yes, so do you have an, do you, do you have an estimation? Like what is your personal belief? Yes, we can't say exactly the year. So ZapTepi, let's explain to people what that is since we're sometimes forget. ZapTepi is the thing that I did to scribe to Zahi Hoas and he dismissed it. But there's this, I've never heard of this. It's an ancient king's list and it's a list of pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years and it's very inconvenient for modern academics and so they like to portray it as myth. And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know of, Kufu and Kaffrey, then they allow those hieroglyphs. But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology. Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that ZapTepi, we have also other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized very old, so we have to deal with that. We'll go back to Tepi, it was a big problem, because more than 11,000 years old for sure. And there is that we saw. So here it is, this is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stella as a linestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid Complex at Giza and the text describes a pharaoh Kufu who ruled from 2589 to 2566 BC, visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. The Stella refers to Isis as the mistress of the Pyramid, a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza plateau were already considered sacred before Kufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the Stella itself to the 26th dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Kufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it betrays the pharaoh as a restore rather than the original builder. Whether inscription provides older traditional reflects later religious interpretation remains debated, but if this is accurate, this describes Kufu as restoring the Pyramids. Now, this exists throughout history, the temple of Tenochitlan, where the Aztecs had. When they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born and they found it. Like people think the Aztecs made the Pyramids, they did not. There was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs. And they built. So there's a long-standing history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this Stella is accurate, and this was also in fingerprints of the gods, a Graham Hancock's book. So I sent this to Graham and his reaction was pretty interesting. What he said to me was that there's a strong suggestion that the Kufu Pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Great Pyramid's Eastern flank and all that looked like damaging evidence against the orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt. It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza Pyramids had been built as tombs and only as tombs. However, rather than investigating the statements from the Stella, the Egypt childiffs, they chose to devalue them in his quotes. They chose to say, "Ah, that's just inconvenient." But if they are describing it that way, that seems like this is a long-standing tradition of people finding things that exist. There is clearly ancient Egypt itself. Dynastic Egypt is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff. But it seems like they're saying the restore. Yes. Yes. I agree with you, Joe. I tell you, there are some facts that we have to observe, because I am used to observe. Before I say something, I have to observe. So, I'm not an expert of Pyramids because I am an engineer. I work on satellites. I am a space engineer. I'm not an Egyptologist like that. But I can observe. In inside the Pyramids, they found a lot of salt that were attached on the world. So, they find salt, why there was salt there. First, second. They shafts that we are dealing now if we want to clean these shafts. Why there is debris? Why they are tupped? So, if the great flood is an historical parameter, recognize it. So, let's say, 11,000 to 1,000 years ago, let's say, something like that. I don't remember precisely. The Zepthepi, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So, between the Zepthepi and the Great Flood, we can locate the Pyramids and these things. Wow. So, the Great Flood, we're looking at 11,000 plus years ago. Zepthepi, you're looking at 30,000 plus years ago. Yes. We can say, I'm an engineer. I put myself in the center between 36,000 and 11,000. So, if you can find some images of salt in the Great Pyramids, because it is quite fascinating. And if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea and massive flooding, which is depicted in every single ancient religion, from Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it. I mean, it's like almost all cultures have a story. Obviously, Noah and the Ark and the flood in the Bible, but this salt. Joe, two months ago, I went for the first time to visit the Pyramids and I found salt. And you think that salt is probably because of water of the sea? Wow. Yes. I forgot to bring it to you. Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. And so, you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded. And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded. Topped off with debris because everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded so many years later, you left with salt everywhere. And that's why the reason that I don't want that people go to work inside the shaft because are dangerous. It can collapse the debris. It can collapse because you can have bubble of air. And so it's dangerous. Right. Robots has to go. Right. Well, it makes more sense. Robots safer. So everything is connected, the great flood, the Zeptyp and the Pyramids. Wow. And they're convinced. Yeah. I am convinced that maybe 18, that I go in the center 18,000 or something like that 20, between 18,000 and 20,000. Well, what's crazy is I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years, which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000 plus years to the construction of those things. That's what he thought. And when Robert Schock from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the pyramid and then excuse me, the temple of the finks, I just think. Yeah. And the water erosion, he's like, this is vertical. Yes. It's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time there was like significant rainfall in the Nile Valley, like that was 9,000 years ago. Yeah. So you're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion. Yes. And it is necessary. And now when that's why this research and this activity that hope we will do, it is very important. Yeah. Because this it is able to rewrite everything. It probably really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts and those corridors, something that you could date. Yeah. And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, what? You know, I mean, this is, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we're getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom, the conventional, the conventional narrative that's taught in schools. Yes, I agree. I agree because, as I told you before, this is time, this is the time to see effective what we, which is the exact date of construction, who made them and how they made them. But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, right? Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them. Yeah. We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing. If you're dealing with something that's 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what's going to be left? All the metals gone, everything is eroded, the earth is reclaimed, most things. Really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy. Yeah. And if we see the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say, the keops pyramid, which I like a lot, the gran gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that is composed in the gran gallery is very exciting. I like it a lot. Did you have any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this or? Joe, I remember when I was young, very young. I used to, I had, it, how you say, I had a personal computer, very old one. And I was always playing, always on something that, and that was the pyramids. They were all the pyramids. And that in that meantime, I realized that I like the pyramids. And so I was very young. So the personal beauty of just researching the pyramids, is that what it was? Just looking at pictures and images. So you always were fascinating. But did you have an understanding or even any questions about the timeline of civilization before this? No, never. So it only happened within the last few years. Yes. I began, I began working, so being interested in pyramids, starting from 2018. So it was right after you started doing this research. And you started saying, okay, what is this? Yeah. And so when you start to research on something that is our history, our past, our origins, because our origins are there. So we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there, because it is important that it is important to research our origin, because in this meantime, humanity does not know, we don't know who we are. We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of who we are. And most of the answers can be found in the studying the pyramids. Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created. Yes. And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting. And it is for me very, it is something that I have it always in my mind only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they have transported the stones, and how I don't know how, how, how, how everyday. That's all, how, how I guess. What gave them the idea, like, were there any previous pyramids? Because it's weird, because the older you go, the more complex the structures are. And the newer ones are kind of shitty. Yeah. So, okay, so we went from that, we showed this antenna, and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What are the things do you show in your presentation that are interesting? I show at the principally all the structures that are, that are under the, the cuff, the pyramids and also under each pyramids. And also, I described the method on how, going, below, without drilling anything. And so, I show them, I show them that there are, the entrances are there on our rise. Everyone can see those, those shafts. And so, why, we, we are not exploring them, why they are so dirty, why they are so without any kind of work, of renewment. I don't know why. Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all. It seems. Yeah. And also, it seems like Egypt, an entire economy is based on tourism, and immense amount of tourism, because it's so fantastic. There's people from all over the world, make a pilgrimage. I also, I also, I also find a method to combine, so not stopping the tourism. So, it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So, we can delimitate the area, inside the area we work, and outside the area, safety, all the people can visit the pyramids. They just applaud. Not only that, I think it will enhance tourism. Yeah. Because if this speculation proves to be fruitful, and you start looking under there, and you find that there is evidence to all this, it's just going to make more people want to go. Oh, yes. I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe, we will find the structures that are underneath. No? And maybe we can try to build a huge lift that carry people downstairs in safety, always. Or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain depth. So, they can also travel along the horizontal corridors, and so they go up from the shafts, and they go up to the Caffer Pyramid, and they go away from the entrance here, and they go intercepting the pyramids. That would be amazing. Yes. Yes. I mean, it would just be much more tourism. Yes. Yes. And also, the all eyes would be on Egypt. I mean, it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archaeology. Yes. Because more young people would get fascinated by it, want to study it. Yeah. And imagine also this, what can we find below? Down there. What can we find? This is a question that I am asking. Because if we watch the slide concerning the shaft that I want to clean, there are things inside it. I am showing that there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. What is that? What are you saying? When we are talking about the shaft, where it goes all the way down to the bottom, and there is the chamber, is that what you mean? That one. Yes. Right there. So that structure that is at the bottom. What's that? I don't know, was that? Right. It's very huge. Very huge. It's at the bottom of the shaft. Look, the horizontal corridors. And so there is more horizontal corridors during the, when you traverse down into the shaft, there is intercept. Right. Other corridors. And how larger are those corridors? About three meters tall. So there is these three meter tall shafts that go to the side. These corridors that go to the side. Yes. Along the way, and then also down at the very bottom. Yes. And you are convinced of this. This is all accurate data. Right. And no one has sent a camera down there or anything. Look, those are human manmade structures, like a ring on another ring. Look, it is very clear. Right. If you observe the structure, those are manmade. Right. And they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is on the bottom. Oh, the debris. The debris. And that debris, you think, was a lot of it because of the flood. I am 100% sure of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the Gisa Plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the working. We don't know which kind of work were used to do, but stopped because of the great flood. So we can go back in time in 12,000 years ago. And when people, the people that don't know, if you're hearing this, like what great flood, that's just not, that's just myth. There's a thing called the Younger Drys Impact Theory. And the Younger Drys Impact Theory group that's been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the earth that are around the 11,800 year mark. And then I believe again, in the 10,000 year range, Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that, but they find high levels of rhodium, which is very common in space and very rare on earth, but there's a layer of it. They also find these nano diamonds that they also discovered during the first trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So it was called trinitite trite, somebody's called, what are those nuclear glass? What is that called? Try tonight, over what's called? Something related to vitrification. Yes. Okay. So this exists all over the world, and it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth. And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been ahead. Yes. Yeah. But I know the scientific indicator is the debris. Yeah. That is the debris. Right. Why so much? So much. Right. Why so much? If we told Carotage drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how deep we can go. So why there is all that debris there? We don't know. Right. But which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water. Yes. That it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft. Yeah. Completely makes sense. Yeah. And I tell you Joe, if we do the chemical, chemical, a chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because we're mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soils. Also you can get dirt from the very bottom. Yeah. And it gets some sort of organic material and carbon date that. And maybe you can get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft. Very interestingly. Yes. It's possible. It can be possible. Crazy if they did that and it lines up directly with the Younger Drys Impact Theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence. Either way, just what it is that we know that there's immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way. Like all of it is just nuts. We saw I was looking at the Osiris shaft here. The shaft. Okay. Just near these other ones. When they found it, there was water down there. They had to get out. And the water is not only cold ice cold it says. It's clean enough to be drinking water. Whoa. And I don't know that it doesn't. I've seen sound like it refills itself. Oh, so there's a spring down there. Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there. And this is through ground penetrating radar to discover this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's a non-known metal. But they built a dam there. I believe in the 1960s and to help the farmers and unfortunately that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose. Yes. And that entire labyrinth is now filled with water. But through ground penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus who described it. See if you can pull that up. Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atrium, these huge passageways underneath the great pyramid area, more complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves. Yes. My God. My God. Like what was this civilization? These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us, just in a different way, just in a different way. Just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is difference between the water table, which of course is composed by drinkable water and the water that they found compounding the Osiris shaft, and the water that transported all the debris. But that water was a salty water because of the great flood. So it was water of the sea, composing the sea, which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids. This is Herodotus's quote. I've seen it myself and indeed words cannot describe it. Though the pyramids begger description and each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks, this maze surpasses even the pyramids. That is crazy. That's crazy that he said that. And if you're seeing any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like, see if you can find some of that, because we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough Uncharted X, it's Ben Van Kirkwicks. This is what apparently is underneath this area, which is just fucking staggering. Wow, how nice. This is all underground. So I think we the next site that we can study can be this. Yeah. And if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is, that's when things get weird. That's when things get real weird because you find a spaceship down there. Then things get really fun. I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space? Who knows what they could do. They're lying in a gigantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. The structures go how long a kilometer of the entire thing into the earth? One point to one point two kilometers into the earth from the base of the pyramid down 1.2 kilometers. Wow. Wow. Wow. This is chain. I mean, from 2018 to now, from you researching this, and does this change your entire perspective of human history and just human beings in general? And my personal opinion, yes. Because before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we can, if we if we are adding also these structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens. Right. More impossible than before. Right. More impossible than, I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology trying to recreate something like that, you're talking about an immense project that cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Yes. If not more. And the engineering involved in it, you're an engineer, the engineering involved in doing something like that. Like how? How they can cut the granite so precisely in place impossible. Is it possible? What's all today? Is it possible? So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics. Yes. And they probably went in some completely different direction. Yes. Because the models science started from a point and then as you are you are saying right, we we followed a direction, which is the direction of light because most of the our inventions, our yes, internal combustion engines and and other stuff. But principally, we use light because we can see it. We can see it. We can see light. Okay. We use light. But other other existence, other people that that was living in the past, maybe use that other things that we don't know. Maybe sound. Maybe sound. What seems like it if this is generating sound and vibration if your speculation is correct. Yes. That they were obsessed with vibration and sound. Yes. They were obsessed in vibrations and sound. Because all these structures that I that I watched inside the pyramids, they are like something that generates sound or they maintain clean the sound. It resonates sound. It echoes and has a very specific echo to it. The zed like that is magnificent. That is perfect. It's a perfect device made by stones. It's very nice. And just how how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this. And this this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression and civilization to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just oh we figured this out and then we figured the wheel out and then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars. But more likely there was some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level probably during Egypt and it was shattered down and it took probably a long time before civilization built itself again. Yes. So then we are we are speaking about modern living but modern living has to be sustainable. Right. I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable. No. No. I mean even our population isn't sustainable. No. We're in population to collapse. Yeah. In many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan, even there's arguments about America itself. That we're in population collapse. Yeah. And we're also chaotic. We also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda. Yeah. It's a lies and propaganda. Yes. But of the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. You have a we have a weird society today. But it's also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before and that is that's the most exciting thing about our time. Yeah. Because there's so much room for discussion. I want to if I can to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things. We have an example of how modern humans are a bit strange because we are not made. It is like that we are not made to research or to find the harmonics in our living. And so I just want to make an example. Do you remember in the 80s when they called fusion? Yes. Yeah. So maybe we are speaking about fleshman and ponds that made for the first time they had the glass of water and inside they made a mini nuclear reactor inside. They had some results that were very very poor results. I know. But was a base to build something stronger. They put away that experiments or they debunked that experiment. It was not good. It is not good because it is not possible. And the example of the cold fusion is how we are because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Why? How it works called fusion? We have two atoms of hydrogen. We start we start to put together these two atoms. But why do we put together these two atoms? There are the atomic forces that tends to, no, I don't want to stay with the other atom. But then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together and it transform it is, they are transformed in helium plus energy because of mass, the mass difference. And so you can do energy by fusion. This is fusion, not cold fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms that they don't want to stay together. So the force, force together. And that is hot fusion. Call the fusion, you convince that atoms to stay together naturally. So today, what method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally? Yes, you have to find a third material that convince that atom to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple, you have a couple, a girl and a man, they don't, they don't want to talk one to each other. If you put a third person between them, at the center of them, and maybe a third person, convince the men and the girls to speak together and they will speak together. So the third material, which is palladium, they use palladium, palladium, has the physical property to make, speak together the two atoms and without force them, they naturally transform into Helium and they generate energy. Because the Helium has a mass lower than the two atoms. With a mass difference, you will generate energy. And doing this at scale is really the holy grill of mountains. Yes, this has always been the quest. Yes. So we have two paradigms, convincing something or obtaining the results using the forts. And so the street that you were speaking before, science had this street we want to have things by using forts, not convincing. Right, that's where we are. Yes. Nuclear power. Yes. Nuclear energy. Yes. Because I tell you, today also hot nuclear fusion does not exist. Because it is very difficult to make a huge reactor that uses the tokamaks or something related to laser that forces together the atoms to be something not natural, cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that, that it is the right creation that was the past. They were the right creation. Yes. They were doing it the correct way. Yes. Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature. And in the universe. And that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. And it's not difficult, it's very simple to read the universe. Okay, show me more, show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here when you go from the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus? Yes. What else? Yes, we can go to that slide. This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject, by far. I have all subjects, ancient history, and particularly ancient Egypt, this is my favorite subject. Okay, we stop to pinkedly. This is so undeniably interesting. If we can go as light up, here we are dealing with something that happened in 2022 after our paper was published, because these results are on our first paper. Look, Joe, that's light there. The lower left slide. Yes. You depict chambers that were previously not known. Yeah. That's the big void. Right, the big void. That's the big void. And then there is the chevron. Connecting with the corridor, the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered at six months later by Zagiawas. Wow. They made the paper, but I depicted six months before you let them know it was there. That's the corridor. That's the corridor. I found it. That's the corridor. Yeah, I don't want to say that I found it about that. Well, you found it. I'll say it. You found it. So your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established. Yes. And again, how crazy is it? They're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century. Pretty spectacular. Yes. That they're just finding this now. And just yesterday, I was too examinetic again that I don't have it. I don't have a slides here. I'm sorry, but there are the results of the skamp pyramid project. The skamp pyramid visual is very good. It is a very nice project project group. And they discovered the so-called big void. But there is a problem. Because they say the big void can be something parallel to the Grand Gallery. Not steady, but incline it. Examinating their results, I was observing something. Maybe, I say maybe, I can say that I am right of this. Maybe they are confusing and inclined new chamber by the top of the they are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery. Like that. I observed the results, but in my personal opinion, the big void is not incline it, but it is located where there is that red blob there. That's the Grand Gallery. Yes, there, and also up. Yes, that's the Grand Gallery. It is not incline it. It's flat, like that is how you say, it's steady, not incline it. Why do they think it's an incline? Because we are not seeing, my technique does not detect, is not detect and incline it chamber on the top of the Grand Gallery. Why do they think there's an incline? Yes, because they found two targets parallel, but I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the lower part of the Grand Gallery. I say. Okay, they have to be careful. Interesting, but it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate because you did describe it. Yes, we can see the results that I obtained on the Granzasso, we can see the Granzasso and the laboratory of Granzasso. That is the perfect benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique. All right, show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide. Below, I think. Okay, okay, we go to Gubio. This is a town where I live. I am. This is Saksohaman. Saksohaman, yes. This is Saksohaman and here I am showing you the next work that we can do once the Giza scanning activity are finished. So this is in Peru. Correct. Yes. And so you want to scan this as well because, you know, we've had quite a few people on describe this. Look, Jo, the stones are like marshmallows. Yes. They are like marshmallows. How they did those things there? Enormous. So, over 100 tons carved from stones that. who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes, right? Yes. Yes. The idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be much less likely to move in intense earthquake. Okay. Go back to the tape. Gubio, just a few words on this city that is small town, that is located in Perugia where I live. Look, the Italian, the authority of the city of the town asked me to perform scanning around that Colosseum, that is mini Colosseum, that is located in Gubio because probably there is a huge Roman city, not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there. So, a lost Roman city that's around that area. Yes. Yes. And I say hello to the people of Gubio. So, is this the next thing that you're going to do? One of the next things. One of the next. But Saksai Huamano. Yes. Saksai Huamano. Yes. And there is also Karakora, also very interesting. The slide 51, please. Yes. Yes. Karakora. Yes. This is located in Russia and there are huge structures inside there. And this is in Russia. Yes. Yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy. And how big are these things? Yes. Just for a couple of seconds. I just like, how big are we? What are we looking at here? Yes. We have 9 plus 16 plus 7 plus 10 plus 36 and they go below. So maybe two or three hundred meters below. Two or three hundred meters. Yes. And there's this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors. Yes. And it goes more deeply. And so nobody knows what there is. And if you look at that image, it's clearly a man-made structure. It's man-made, absolutely. Yes. I mean, look, there's stones. They're placed. Yes. That is nuts. That's crazy. And there's no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it. No. Wow. So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered probably all over the world. Yes. Yes. The nice thing of this is this. Satellites are global. So one satellite flies from, let's say, South Pole, North Pole, South Pole, like that. Because of the angular momentum conservation, the, let's say, the wheel of the orbit remains steady. And the earth rotates inside the circle. The circle remains steady, like that. So at least once a day, one satellite can observe potentially any part of the globe in one day. Also you can program snapshots where you want in all the earth in one day. And how many satellites are up there? Ah, there are satellites that contains, on board of them, a payload composed of advice in dedicated virtual rather, there are a lot. There are different satellites, companies that provide these services. So today it is possible to decide to observe something. Okay. I call the company and they purge for me an image. And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by, manually, by explorers? Yes. And how did they get the dimensions of their people able to go all the way down into it? Yes. That man, because there is only a man that went down, because it's very narrow. But once you go down, everything becomes very huge and large, measure it manually, all those depths. But more than than, you can't go because maybe it's too narrow. I don't know. Yes. Okay. Did you find any images of that, Jamie, online? I'm looking into something. Someone was sort of saying that it's in a different spot. And then I just try to track it down. These are also weirdly only getting talked about over the last month. So I am digging down a different. When did they discover this? I don't remember. 2011. 2011. That's crazy. The fact that they don't know who made it or why. But it is clearly man-made. Yes. You've seen these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other. Yes. And you have the same. Okay. It says, it's currently known from friends, social media, and YouTube style sources rather than former archaeological publications, because it hasn't been explored, correct? 15 years ago. Yeah. Pretty nuts. But I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks, with walls described as straight and polished, suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor perplexity that we run all or questions through. And it's always been very accurate. Said to lie somewhere between in the Russian Caucus, often simply described simply as North Caucus or Caucus Mountains with videos and post presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone working techniques. Crazy. They don't know who made this. There's no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs to describe the site formerly named the Karahora, is that my saying that right? Karahora? Karahora shaft, which strongly suggests a claim is not been vetted by mainstream archaeology, but, you know, look, it exists, whether it's vetted or not. It doesn't matter. Like, who made it? What is it? Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. And it's just, it makes you think like if they just found that in 2011. And manually. And maybe doing a wide research by satellites, maybe starting from there or other sites between that Karahora, maybe we will find other things. Right. It could be a part of an enormous complex. Yes. Who knows? But just the fact that that exists. And that a human made, that are humans made, that that's crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it really doesn't like anybody that, boy, the modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle. Because like, you can't, at a certain point in time, you have to give up and go, I don't know. And that's an, I don't know moment. Like, yes, this and I don't know. What the hell is that? Show me some more images, Jamie, because it's really kooky of the shaft. Yeah, just that what that looks like. I'm trying to, I'm digging down a hole and there's a post here on, yes, not so, this is a like, they're misinterpreting something. This is Jay Anderson, the podcast recently. This is the tweet I found. How about some fat chunk, Karahora, in the Cabardino, Balkria Republic, North Caucus, the Russian Federation, is a different place from Karakoto. So Karahora and Karakoto, so there's more than one place. I'm trying to, I have to have, I can just googling stuff. It's all comes from this one video, it seems like, because everyone's pointing to this video and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff. It's got three million views from 2024. So I can see how it goes. We went viral, you know? But it starts off with just showing that. And I don't, you know, so this is probably the entry to this area. Maybe, but again, no one knows. They can't tell you where that is. All I got a map. Right. Look how precise it is. So this might be, who knows? Yeah, it could be real. It could be nonsense. Well, the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation, it's just bananas. But whatever this is, that's why I don't know where it's from. You know, it could be right. Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through? So here, okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like. And I don't even know. Yeah. So someone else has a narration on it. It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show. God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts. Yes. I mean, it's clearly looks like something man made. Yeah. It's crazy. That's man made. It's absolutely man made. There are also a comparison with the dimensions of the dimensions. Wow. That means it's crazy. It's crazy. And they found it in 2011. Yeah. I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff, I mean, that's one of the things about Go Backly Tepi. They've only observed 5% of it. I mean, 5% of it, they've uncovered. And through ground penetrating radar, they know multiple sites nearby. Yes, but ground penetrated radar has a problem. What is the problem? The problem of ground penetrated radar is the penetration depth is a few meters. So there is a problem of penetration depth, but in that depth you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters below you can't go. Right. But using that method, they have found all these structures. It's a good method for in situ exploration. Yes. And so you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to perform a wide area, rough, let's say rough scanning, you can use my method. So you can find huge things on wide area. For the details, it's okay, ground penetrating radar. Is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think I'm showing you some more stuff. Yes, it's a pleasure. Yeah, please, it's a pleasure for me too. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Okay, thank you for inviting. Kara Hora. Is that how you say it? Kara Kora? Kara Kora. Kara Kora. So this is Kara Kora. So that image, go back one more time to Kara Kora. So that's a legitimate image. That's not AI generated. This is these guys standing in clearly looks like megalithic stones stacked on top of each other. Clearly manmade. Yes, came in made because look you see. Yes, you see the blocks. Yeah, you see the blocks. It's fucking nuts. No, but okay, we can we can understand that it's possible, maybe it's possible to build something like that. Sure. It's possible. The purpose and when and who and what civilization? Right. Like who did that? That's that is insane. What even is that? What even is that? Yeah, I mean, these ropes that go across. So that's what you're seeing. And you've seen this. Where's his arm and where's the rope go to? Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall and that rope goes across and you just not see it because of the darkness. Is that like he's leaning against something there too? It looks like he's got his hand on that wall that opening. There's an opening in that shaft. So what else is next in this in this presentation? Okay. Which way should I go? Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. Go back it up. Then we have goobio and there here we have the Osiris shafts which we use this shaft. The Osiris shaft like a bench mark because we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a bench mark and that we know exactly how it's established, established and so it accurately depicts the Osiris shafts. Yes. What else? Okay, let's go there. Okay. 43, 43, yes. This is the Sangol Tardatannel and here I made an exploration using my technique in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel that it is approximately 2 kilometers below the mountain and the slide 44. We can understand that. In this case, the Alps, the mountain resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain. So it's like a photograph, a photo, pick it up or synthesize it by a sound. And in that case, we can see the slide 45 and 46. We are detecting the tunnel. The tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the earth. Wow. So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique? Yes. This is some really stunning stuff. Yes, I can explain your other experiments. We can go starting from a slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam and it is a very important dam. It is a demosal dam that is located in Iraq. It's very huge. It's 300 meters tall as a height of 300 meters and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a huge amount of water from the upper side. There is the water that contains and below there is the river that the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the musul dam? The musul dam has a problem. It has been built on a bed of jess. So how you say jepsum? Yes. And jepsum is a while in contact of water. It melts. So the musul dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. In this case, there are a lot of, let's call, satellites' methods and synthetic virtual rather methods that are devoted to a perform, that's called, the infrastructure monitoring. And in this case, the musul dam is crucial to be observed by a radar. In this case, I wanted to see the slide 37, please. Here, inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel. And here we have people that are working inside the tunnel. And the task was, my technique is possible to detect the tunnel. We go in slide 38. And we see on the right top, there is the tunnel. Just to explain you, where you see red, the vibration energy is high, so it's red. When you see blue, the vibration has energy is low, it's low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the earth, you don't have vibration, so it's low. And so you see the tunnel. And so we were also able to detect slide 39. Also, the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbinas, the turbines, and other stuff, and all the mechanical machines, this is the mechanical machines that are located inside it. So it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. So this is just more proof that this technique works. And so we go, slide 31, or slide 31. Okay, here, this is the granzasso. How nice is this for me, very nice, because I born here. This is the particle collider. Yeah. Inside the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the laboratory here. And the task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? And so we are now in the slide 32 and 33. Okay, and we can see the facility that is ENFN is the Institute of National, the physical nuclear. This is the shape of it in there. Yeah, National Institute of nuclear physics, the Italian National Institute of nuclear physics. And that's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain. A 1.4. And yes, and slide 35, we can see the laboratory. Wow. Yeah, this is that one out there. That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory. Yeah. Wow. And that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers that goes together and they, and you can study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer. And that's the interferometer. Wow. This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing. And I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey. Yeah. And I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around is just going to make more people talk about it. More people discuss it and more people understand. And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up and that it is without a doubt one of the most astounding discoveries in human history. Yes. So thank you, Joe. Congratulations on discovering it. And thank you so much for all your hard work because I mean, like I said, it's to me one of the most fascinating subjects. And you know, what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia. Yes. And I agree with this with that. And you know, and it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him is because he was right. He was right in the 1990s. And as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct. And things just seem to keep getting older. Yes. It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate your time and I appreciate your work. Thank you for inviting me. My pleasure. Let's do it again when more stuff comes out. Okay. I'm here. If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive? Yes. I have a personal website which is harmonicsar.com. And I publish it. So that again, harmonicsar. Yes. Harmonix. It's a man. It's synthetic aperture radar is so harmonicsar.com. Yes. Filippo beyond. I mean. You're the man. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I really appreciate you being there. Thank you.