#243 - Don't Waste Your Time on Influencers!

So I reiterate here, the bill is dead. The story of this great city is about the years before this night. We are Greg! Hey everybody, it's a new episode of Ho Ho Hong Kong. Extra one for the season. That's right. And I'm the other host. Yeah, we're going with the extra happy self introduction today. Oh yeah. Last night we had a really fun show and Vivek, you're on the panel. Yeah man, you can explain. So the game was called Ready Set Fail. And what happens is that Ishaan is the game master/host. Has a plan list of four comedians or four people or four basically breathing bodies. Yeah. You know, the comedian or people and breathing bodies is very relative to what the audience perceives it as. Correct. And basically just playing fun little games that were inspired by other games shows that he's watched before. Yeah. On the lowest budget you could ever imagine. Yeah, exactly. And the lowest budget you can ever imagine you can probably understand why which is because I'm the producer. Exactly. So if it's got the Muhammad QC, it means there's no dollar sign involved. Right over there man. There is a lot of experience but no dollar sign. Exactly. And when they say experience, he really means like you will be experiencing something. Correct. And when you're experiencing something money you'll get experience. Yeah. You'll experience excitement for the show stars anticipation when the show begins and then disappointment as a show goes on. And finally regret when you leave you like, damn it man. I think that's for you particularly because like so we obviously didn't tell you this but every very like every volume of the show. One of the four panelists is like the target of just bullying. Like gets the lowest points. Yes, the extra work. Yes, exactly. So you actually were chosen to be like. So the thing is like, Ishan, I think like three days ago messages me says, hey, all right. Could you do one of your tasks is prepare an item that resembles the other comedians. Right. He didn't specify just one of the comedians. Yes. The other comedians. I'm like, okay, I guess we got it. Well, doing that. Yes. And okay, make sense to everyone bring something out. Hey, look at you. You're doing it. Yeah. I was like, okay. And I don't want to be like too insidey joke as well. Sure. So I was like, I don't know. I'm looking around the whole house and obviously no one's going to go out like secret Santa this stuff. I'm going to buy something. Yeah. And I'm like, look at what the hell man. But this is like one of those things where you're like, oh, I don't know if that was going to be mean. Or you know, is that really misunderstood? Or did I completely misinterpret this person? Yeah. But yeah, I was all right. I mean, the joke there was that you were told to bring to everybody else. Like something that represents the three other people. Yeah. And I was like, what's the matter? I was like, I'm just going to go out and get something. I was like, I'm going to go out and get something. I was like, what's the matter? I really need to do with your privacy. The photos of you are the problem. Because photos of you means the photos that other people tagged of you. And then your friends can see those. You think the photos that you are uploading are fine, which the most probably are fine. Because you wouldn't upload something like, you weren't okay with it. Yeah, you weren't okay with it. Maybe now it's a bit embarrassing. You look kind of retarded back then. Yeah. That's fine. But the photos of you, people used to dump whole albums on Facebook. It's all there. Check it out. And like, no, just like that trips as well. Right? Like people go like whatever Vegas and like, you know, bury their faces in prostitutes. And they're like, with this and this. And it's like, do you like me? Exactly. So don't tag me exactly. And then someone like me can just go photos of you. So this is your reminder. You're welcome. This is your reminder to go on your Facebook right now and check your privacy setting for photos of you. I think you just came up with the new holiday game. Yes. Everyone comes over and like photos of you. Yes. And you know, like if and every now and then someone gets like five tries to explain. Yes. What's going on, man? And you can't do the whole, I don't remember. Yeah. You did that, man. That's a great holiday. You're right. Like people there would be a lot of holiday games and drinking games on all of that. Maybe everybody before you, like you can do your own settings. But before that, there's a lot of people who are not listening. You're listening, but there's a lot of people not listening. Yeah. So you should go on their Facebook and dig up their embarrassing photos. Yeah. And then yes, on the holidays, what is it called? Blue Elephant or whatever? What do you call it? White Elephant. Oh, white. The thing with the game. Change photos. Oh, see the Santa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's one with an elephant. I think it's called white elephant. I don't know. But what I would recommend though is that game that you're suggesting. Yeah. Do it around the dinner table. How do you do Thanksgiving? Everyone gives thanks. Oh, so funny. Everyone has like, explain one photo from their social media. Yes, yes, yes. And like in front of everyone. So there's no like, I wasn't listening. What happened? You know, it's really focused. You're put on the spot. Yeah. You can't run away. You can't be like, oh, I have diarrhea. You can't do that. Right. So I think that would be a really cool thing. The good thing is that that will also show you who is truly your friend. Because if they get upset with you after that dinner, they eliminate it themselves. Yes. So they're not back again next year. Yeah. And then you will say one less gift. One less gift. Yeah, you're aging and you know you're trying to reduce your friends anyway. Of course. So this is all helping you. So that's why photos of you is what is going to do it for you. Yes. And then hopefully after that, maybe if you're lucky, you still have one friend left. It's only it's only Facebook. Because Instagram only took off like in the last like, whatever, seven years. And they were all as aging. They were all photo based anyway. Exactly. They're done like. Yeah, yeah. This is just like here's a whole album. I don't give a shit. When I did like Cassie show out Cassie, when I like, there's so like, I chose the least, like their photos are just like, dude, what are you doing? Yeah. I can imagine. Yeah. It's just so inappropriate. So I'm like, they are out there. Like, what are you doing? I was curious though. And like everyone was getting their chance. I was like, oh, I wonder which ones are going to pick for me. Because I was like, what have I done that has been posted on? Where I'm like, oh, my God. I can't believe that. Well, the Indian one is like me. Yeah, me blowing the trumpet thing with the tape. Yeah, explain, just the. the photo first. - Okay, so this me and this full on like Indian Afro with the turbine sitting down with like the flute in my mouth. - It looked like a Disney comic. - Full on. - I think that's what they were going for. You know, full on that thing, there was like a little basket in front of me, clearly signifying there's a snake inside. - Nice. - And then I think, now I do notice RCHK, I specifically remember that 'cause I knew that I was like, I can't believe this is happening, but okay, whatever, you know. - Why did they, I think that's back in the day when it was okay. - This was like, - I think it's not happening now yet. - This was definitely like probably 2009, because like I did that show with RCHK called Hong Kong Stories, where I was the host. And I think that was one of the things. - We did different from Hong Kong Stories of Storytelling Show. - Correct, very different. Yeah, this is the one people actually watch. (laughing) - It was, it was, it was, it was. So I was the host for that show, and every episode was about one ethnicity in Hong Kong that's not Chinese, right? So they had that whole thing and I believe this is one of the things. - Wait, that's a very short show. - It was, it is still like that. - I was gonna say it was like, it is. - It's not like, oh, we have a huge German population. - Yeah, exactly. - Who was like native, like yeah. - Not even just that, even if there was a population, you gotta still contact them and have them willing to be on the show. - Yes, yes, yes. - So they were like eight people in Hong Kong. - Sure. - So I believe that was one of the segments where they had me dressed up full on Turban, full Indian, like outfit, sultan, style, whatever. Sitting over there. And I believe if I remember correctly, is that me playing that little flute or whatever and then telling them, letting them know that, oh, you know, by the way, this is not what every Indian does. - Right. - So don't take a stereotype, I think that's for real. This is the first time I've ever wearing this. And I don't own the snakes up of that. She's one of those reverse things. But like, obviously now when you look at it, you're like, oh, I wouldn't explain it that way. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But I remember back then, back then it was way looser, man. You could do a lot of these things. - I mean, I grew up watching, you know, like the Simpsons and like, not South Park. Family Guy and stuff like this. I love South Park now, but like back then, I didn't have back then. - But like, family Guy and the Simpsons have so many jokes like. - Yeah, yeah. - But I mean, to me, that's like funny. - Yeah. - I think by the way, they put it in your face so like we are doing this. - Right. - But that's the difference. They're more of a private thing versus like RTSK and all this have to be more like government-based thing. - Right. - And also having some sort of government back and back and forth, yeah, we can go that far. - But it's also RTSK was not doing it to be funny. That's another thing. - Yeah, it was actually saying something like, you know, you all think? - That's worse. - Yeah. - They were not trying to make it up. They're like, this is actually what you're thinking. - Yeah. - I mean, I remember one of the episodes, they had me standing outside Princess Building Uncentral. They asked me, could you get like an uncle of somebody to just basically walk by back into you. And then like be all like, you know, we're not all related. - Oh my god. - I mean, years ago, initially with a small group of time, we'd be smiling more and more. And then like, he just walked by and just banged into me. And he had to like bang into me, walk past me and look back, we'd be like, the whole, you know, like, like, game. And dude, he was like, really into it. Like, he gave me the whole like, the fuck's wrong with this guy. You know, standing in the middle of the road. - He thinks this is like his shot to like, this is the Hollywood or something. - He was like, Tom Cruise, man. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He got to commit. - He committed, man. Like, we did a few takes in every time. Like, I know this song, like, we're good friends. We talked to each other all the time, but when he was in the thing, man's into me, turns back, looks at me at his eyes and saying like, standing over there in the middle of the road. - Right. - Like, wow. Damn. - Bull on, man. - You're lucky, your same stealer wasn't around. That would have been like him spanking your ass. - He wouldn't have banged into me, it would have just banged me. (laughing) - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, gotta hang her just slap me around. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Man, that's another thing that I must say. I'm very, very, I'm very surprised that this is like a thing. Let's still have it. - I am, you know, it's a little early for New Year's, whatever, not resolutions, but like wishes, or whatever, like that's my wish list for next year. Ken's a little fucking guy. Like this guy, he should be, like, I don't wish, like people to like lose their jobs or whatever. Don't lose your job. - Yeah. - Like, don't go to jail, but like, you should stop doing that. - I, that should stop. - Yeah, yeah, that's one of those things that I actually, every now and then when I'm swollen face, when it pops up. - Yes. - There are a few times when I stop and look, because I'm curious about the person who's on the other end of this thing. - Yes. - Yeah, yeah. - And I'm looking at them and I'm just like, what was the deal he gave you? - Yeah. - That you're like, sure, you know, the rub your face on my face. - Yeah. - You know, but make sure I have a good suit. It's like, I don't, I'm trying to understand what, what was the contract or what was the deal that you agreed to? Or is this a thing now that if you come and make a suit? - Yes. - He has the option to put you online and do this. - I mean, yeah, you're right. Like, is there, what's the legal coverage there? - I think this called the Harvey Weinstein clause. You know, if you wanna work with me, you want my stuff, you're gonna have to let me do this to you if I feel like it. - Yes. - You know, so like maybe it's one of those things, you know? - Yeah, yeah, no idea. - It's, I mean, obviously he now knows he's like, upsetting, like it's just a circle or a cycle of like-- - But I think he knows it's like, you know, yeah, exact controversial. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So it's getting more views. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - And that's what's really fucked up about this whole, like, views attention economy. He's like, a lot of people are doing stuff bad. Not like bad, like morally bad, but like even like quality bad on purpose. Because they know that like gets attention. - Well, that's the thing, man. That's the whole thing about the world is that you have to be one of the extremes. I feel like super good at what you do are super bad. - Yes. - I mean, William Hung, you know? He sang that song, the Rick and Martin song. - Yeah. - Became huge. But the one true thing though is that it doesn't last, obviously. - It doesn't let you. - Yeah, I mean, it's a gimmick, right? - But also, yes, a lot of people acknowledge it, it doesn't last, but until while it works, you can't. - So much money. - Yeah, yeah. - That actually doesn't matter after that. If you're like, basically I want to hit Wonder, right? - Exactly, yeah. - I was reading about the kid that I show speed guy. - Oh yeah, yeah. - But then I started watching, I genuinely didn't know much about him before he came here. - He's got hustles, man. - Yeah, he hustles. But I was reading like before, like, you know, what got him to be so big. And it's just like all this like exaggerated reaction. - Oh yeah, yeah, he's something like loses money. He's like, oh my god, I'm so big. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, exactly like possessed. If he eats like a burger, it just like goes fucking so it's off the table and stuff. I'm like, I don't know, it just, I didn't get it, it just makes me feel sad. - It's called age, dude, it's called age. You know, we're like, wow, why would I watch this? - It's so sad. - I know, I'm like, obviously, I guess it makes me sad because I'm like, like me as a viewer, I'm watching it. I like, I know he's faking it. And he knows he's faking it. Everyone around the restaurant knows he's faking it. And it's like, but it's not also funny. - Yeah. - Like I'm watching it just to see this guy pretend to lose his mind over eating a pickle. - Yeah. - And then that's it. That's the whole exchange that we have. - I think that isn't that what's-- - I don't know where the entertainment is. - But that's the thing, isn't that like with everything when you do, like let's say all these social events and everything, like, oh hello, hello, hello. Oh my god, you're good to see you. I really miss you. How are you okay? I'm like, come on, we all know this old bullshit. It's the every new clothes thing. Sure, but you're in it, you're like, but if everyone's watching it, I need to see like what is this bullshit about? - I see, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, you're not, obviously, it's like you're not making a career out of it. You're not making it your personality. The guy who loses his mind. - Yeah, I am the guy that is my shit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think that's the thing. It isn't that one of those things where it's, it's the typical Hong Kong thing slash or people thing in general of like just standing on the bylines, just watching someone something happen. - Right. - You know, where you're like, oh, I'm not involved, but this is hilarious. - Yeah. - I think that's a human, what did you say is human nature thing? Like in Hong Kong, this thing was like fast and which basically means that you just stand by and just eat peanuts. - Right. - While something's going down, you're like, - What's up, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, okay, so you know. - It was fun, yeah. - And it was like, I remember, while he comes, had this whole joke he was like about how, I think like people would go on safaris and everything. And it was one of those things where that they'll be on the bus and just like watching these animals kill each other like, - Right. - Okay, okay. - That's pretty cool. Pretty cool. And I remember it was actually a thing because I remember when I did like a fight event in Macarill. I remember that one where they had the front seats, had tables and people were eating and watching fights. - Yeah. - And I saw these guys like, there was a genuine joy of like, here you are eating like a drumstick. - Right. - And another one person on the stage is like, (imitates drumming) He's like, - Yeah. - You know, I think that's just a human thing. I think we just like to see something go, absolutely bizarre, bizarre. - Sure. - But knowing that, oh, we won't get involved. - Yeah. - I understand that. I think my particular issue is that, it's that, that's like watching a fight for example. - Yeah. - The agreement is all there, but there's also something real about it. I think the fight, the fight is real. - Yeah, you know, even WWE, that's a show. - But it's like a proper story. - It's a proper story. - It's not just like, okay, he's doing it. - Yeah, it's a play. Like that's like, there is a lot of elements, you know, like there is a show. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - But like watching a guy online, - You need like a hamburger and like "Hah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah." And he's like shaking and stuff, you're like "Really?" And then every comment is like Fire M.O.G. So like, what is happening? - I feel like maybe there is a bunch of people who also have really big, exaggerated reactions to life. You know, like how some people like extra sensitive to like crinkly sound and stuff like that? Maybe before all you know, there are actually maybe enough people, all those followers are all like the look, like "Ah, it was too much." It could be one of those. I mean, I'm just trying to give the bench on the downer like there might really be people who actually eat something and go like "Hah, ah, ah, ah, ah." - No, I mean, I, you know, I fell down and rabbit hole a bit where like I'm watching. - Well, there you go. Maybe everyone's falling down the rabbit hole. - Yeah, nobody gets it. - If that's why he's getting the right, nobody gets it. - Nobody gets it. - He's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, I mean, that would be genius. If that's by design that people are like, like he's doing the stuff so people like me go like, way. - Wait, what is that? Like what is he actually doing? - Is he really doing it again? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think, hey, you know what, I think that might be it because like, it's the same with Sam Taylor. You're like, really? He's gonna, oh my god, I can't believe you go. - Oh, you're gonna get again? - Yeah, you know what to watch? - You know what to watch like 50 videos? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're doing that as well, you know? I have a feeling it's probably that way, you're like, there's no way. I mean, if you really take it back to the art stuff, and remember that in the French festival, where you talk about this one way, the guy in the gorilla suit. - No, I think that's probably it. It's just right here. - Maybe that releases a new video and that part of you is like, is he gonna do the same reaction again? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't believe it. What's he gonna react to now? It's like, no longer the reaction is like, what is causing this? You're like, it's gonna cause it. - Yes. - I mean, in many ways it's true. Like, let's say it's WWE, it's like, you know that they're gonna do that move at the end. - Sure. - But you're like, in between, what's the story? Why is he doing it to this guy? - Right. - You know, what's Roman Reigns breaking ass, you know, stuff like that. That might actually be it. I think, we figured out a formula. It's no longer the actual product of the self. Like, why do we have this product in front of us? - Here's a question now. How do you apply that to your comedy? - Just suck. Just suck on stage. Like I said, I'd be really good that he's gonna be funny. It was really funny about, or you're gonna be like, dude, this guy sucks. - Right. - But I wonder what he's gonna try to talk about this time and still feel, right? That could be it. And if you go to that level where, like, dude, I can't believe like, people actually sitting here, like just watching this guy die on stage. And the guys that come and watch me and the things you, you as the artist have to embrace it, be like, "Right. I am gonna bomb like hell." - Right. - Okay. It's gonna be a terrible show, but you're gonna watch me sweat on stage like, "This is gonna be great." - Right. - I mean, you see this guy just struggle like, "And the guy has to genuinely on stage." Like, we said, "So, I'm really working at this joke, right?" And let me say you a song because I think it's great. And like, all the rhymes are kind of corny. You're like, "Oh my God, we're doing this." Like, he sang to me, she sang to me, and therefore we came to me. It's like, what? That was the song. And you're like, "I can't believe how bad this is." - Yeah. - I think that's what it is. It's just a game of extremes now. - Right. - Yeah, yeah. - So I think- - Well, in that case, actually, I would like to see you other people are doing the same genre more than I show speed because I've had enough of him. - Yeah, you mean more. - Dude, I did like an hour. I'm like, that's- - Give it a day. You algorithm probably knows that you're into that kind of stuff. - Oh no, I'm not that stupid. I used another account to do like- - To do this shit. - Yeah, to watch this shit. Because I know exactly what would happen. - Yeah, yeah. - So I just like a burner account. I'm like, "Okay, let me see what this guy's about. Like, I would understand." But also, he's like, whatever, 22 or something. So it's like, "Okay, he's really a fucking zillionaire." - Oh, yeah, yeah. - For sure. I mean, he was like, "What? He was just crowned top influencer in the world, like, just to see that he got that award as well." I'm like, "Why do they tell you something about that? Is what's influencing people?" - Yeah. - Maybe he stopped with the recycling. - Yeah. - Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't also see a lot of good causes or anything like- - No, no, no, it's your- - But isn't that what like, people in general, the majority of the world is not about like, heal the world. - Yeah, I mean, there are people, there are people who are like, there are exceptions, like Ricky Javais is one of them. For example, he goes in like a massive tour and he just posted that he donated like, more than two million pounds to animal charities. He does that every time. I'm not a big tour. - For sure. - But that's like, the reason we based on another level, you see, if you just watch his comedy, you can see that there's a lot of layers to his comedy. - Yeah. - So that means he's not just like, "Hey, imagine, yeah, compare Ricky Javais "to fucking Archesfield." And it's just like, it's fucking sucks. - I know, but you see that? This is why the older we get, the more we understand why old people are grumpy, the more fuckers are wrong with this world, you know? I understand like half of these people going to war. I'm like, I get it, man. At some point, you know what? Someone's got to go, right? If 80% of the world is that, you know what, we could use less of that. So I think that is what's happening now. I feel like us getting older, just doing the typical cycle of this new kids, man. These kids don't want to be cowards, I want to be like, oh no. - I'm sure it would be that. - But I'm sure when we were young, I'm sure we were like, idiots of like watching stupes show, and he checked this guy do like, like a back flip on his own, this finger boards, you know? It's like, what the fuck are you watching? - Flipping, flipping guys. - Yeah, bottles. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You were like, oh, shit, I gotta do that. - Yeah. - Look, the bottle flip challenge itself, like all of us, like you did the bucket, ice bucket challenge, all of us. - I bet you, like people who are 30 years old didn't ask, like the fuck is wrong with you? - Yeah, it's, yeah. - Like why would you put our ice over yourself for a cause, just donate the money. - Yeah, talk about the cause. - Yeah, you know what I'm gonna do. - Yeah, I'm gonna challenge the next person. It's like, what are you all doing? You know, and that's the thing, right? I think that was the example of like, the only way to get people to raise money is to do something stupid first. - Yeah, do a start, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's something, I guess like, yeah, psychologically, you're trying to get, do something recognizable. - Yeah. - That people know that's the thing. - That equals this. - Yes, exactly, yes. So I think like the ice show space straight up, you know. - I mean, to be honest with you, even back then, I didn't think the ice bucket challenge was, it still thought I was stupid. So it wasn't, no, I was never, or were you ever nominated? - No, no, no, no. - No one nominated me. - You know it, I'll get it. - But actually, if someone did, I wouldn't have done it. I would just be like, - Oh really? - Did you? - I did it, I did it. - Did you? - Someone, no, I forget, like, 'cause back then I was, I think like some big guy had nominated, some some well-known person nominated me. I was like, you know what, okay, fine, you little fuck thing. I, I, I, I, it'll be good cause and all that stuff. I was, the, honestly, it was just purely just the ice bucket challenge, and like, and then what happened now? Like, you just do it. - Yeah. - Let's point this, you know. I need to have some sort of point to be stupid. So like, for example, let's say with the comedy show, if it's just like me, like, be talking to a mic, 'cause like, that's not the point. People laugh, okay, that I can do, you know. But then again, maybe I, yeah, using that logic, I just be like, well, you know, I lose my shit, and what happens? People fucking love it. I'm entertaining a bunch of people. I'm getting kids off the streets, okay, you know. - I know I would be opening a massive, like, wormhole with this, but if you have, like, influencers that you know are, not you, don't listen to this, who are, who you hate, like, like someone you like hate watch. - Yeah. - Send them through, and then we'll like, take a look at them. - Yeah, yeah, just get mad, yeah. - Just get mad, yeah. - Maybe this guy's gonna be like, no, this is so bad. They have to be relatively famous. So above a million followers plus, don't send me someone who's like, unknown. And someone who does like, that's their stick, and the stick, you think is really bad as a listener. So send them through, send them to Vivax, send them to me, and we'll discuss them. - See it. I mean, like, the thing is that people would want to know what we think of watching it, just like the reaction videos. - Yes, yes, fuck it, we'll do an action video. - Yeah, we'll do an action audio in that case. - Yeah, exactly. - No. - He won. - That's your thing? - Yeah, it's really. - I know we do, that's to be shit. I mean, we will have our own exaggerated reaction to there. (laughing) It's buffering. - I saw one, I don't even know if it's like a real influencer, whatever, like not a big, but again, someone at a restaurant, it's like this big black guy, and he's eating something, and he literally just screams like stands up and like bangs in the day, and I go, "Oh man, this, oh man, this." And then the whole stuff comes back, he's like, "It's so good." And he's like shaking them. - It was like, "You gotta watch this man." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I don't know, I think this is the equipment sensationalism of the news, you know, like, God, you gotta check this guy loses shit. It's like, what happens? I could summarize it, but you gotta watch it. - Yeah, yeah. - You'll see it. Again, that's one of the things that I'm glad on right now. - I guess maybe also as a consumer, even forget about like whatever old guy or something. - Yeah. - As a consumer, I'm watching this. I'm like, there is no part in me that goes like, "Oh, I gotta go to the restaurant now." - Oh yeah, there's no restaurant. - Because it looks so, I think it's the fakeness of all of it. The fakeness that we have all agreed to accept, I'm like, "But I don't accept this because it's, "we all know it's fake." - Yeah. - Like, as opposed to, again, I'm watching WWE, and it's like, "No, this is a show. "It's a different thing." - I tell you, it's an actual show for now. - The same one you go to a play, like a fucking Broadway play, that's a show. Like, a guy is not Hamilton or whatever, right? - Clearly. - But when a guy on Instagram is screaming about hot sauce, - Yeah. - And I was like, "Wait, is that supposed to sell me the hot sauce?" Like, which part of this? - Yeah. - Because he knows it's fake, and I know it's fake. You know what I mean? But that's what I'm trying to wrap my head around. - But probably there are many layers of consumers. Like, you're the one that's not influenced immediately, but the other was like, "I gotta see if that makes me lose my shit too." You know, they explain that. And maybe there's some people who are like, "That'll be funny, man." And like, they'll buy it and it's a gift. - Yeah. - Hey, this is the one that makes that person that loses his shit. - Right. - That you try it now, you know? - But, okay. And like, this actually a good example of hot sauce because that's one side. The other side is like something that is so well done, like the show Hot Ones. - Oh yeah. - And that's a really good show. And the guests forget about them being celebrities or whatever. The guests do have extreme reactions. - Yeah. - And they are mostly natural because they're eating actual hot sauce and it's like long form. - Yeah. - And you're watching progression as well. I think maybe that's another thing. The progression of like the reaction. - Yeah. - It's so well designed. You're eating 10 wings. - Would you say it's the same equivalent like the, this is the one that hit Wonder. - Yes. - This is like the one who's creating the art. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So it's sustainable. - Yeah. - And it's like the episode with Rose from Blackpink. And it's one of their best episodes. Like she's such a sweet girl and she like has a crazy journey and whatever. But like you're watching her really try to like get her story out versus like eating hot wings. - Yeah. - And it's just like slowly actually losing her mind. Like you can see it. - Wow. - And there is the top episode of all time, I think, is Conan's episode. If you haven't watched it. - I haven't watched it. - You should watch it. It's just like a 10-15 minute episode. And Conan just becomes extra Conan. As he goes through that the wings. Yeah, I don't even want to spoil it for you. Like what he does at the end, he just absolutely goes bananas. It's actually funny enough it's the same thing. He does lose his mind. Yeah. But maybe of course you're familiar with him. It's like, oh, that's going on being cone. Cone and yeah. That's not cool. I think I think the way he loses mind is multi-dimensional. Yes, very often. Yeah, I just be very often. It's like it's that one type of losing his mind. Yes. Although nowadays I can see that he's changed a lot in the traveling the world and trying to get rid of it. But he's built enough of a brand like that one exposed to me new. Exactly. But yeah, the Cone was like, he's just, but I think Cone and Deep Towns had authentically speaking a little part of him is like crazy like that. Yeah, he's a clown. Yeah, he's a clown. Yeah, so he has that little clown base. Yeah. But imagine if the whole personality is just losing his mind the whole time. He wouldn't be as successful I think. Yeah, he wouldn't. Like I said, it would be with one flavor. Yes. You'd be like, sweet. I get it. That's the one flavor I think versus, yes. Yeah, right. The dimensional thing. Yeah. One, you know, this is all going to be about influencers, I guess. One influencer of sorts that everybody on the internet has been hating for a long time and are now happy that it's kind of his downfall has been coming for a while. And now he's like really getting it solved. Bay. Oh, yeah, everybody now. Fuck, I mean, people have hated him for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, what happened? I remember like it was the whole sorpe comes out, does a salt on the steak. I get that. And then he opened some restaurants and didn't do well. Yeah, open restaurant didn't do well. And then like charge like I'm crazy at my money to just kind of like license his name out to like the restaurants and the people who go and like have a steak and like share the photos of the bill. And it's like, you know, $1,200, you know, dollars steaks and stuff like this. But then he also just tried to like go into events just using his like face as like the famous guy. I heard something like he's walking like who the fuck are you? Like, no, I'm so basically. Yes. So yeah, you know, you end up himself right? Yeah. And it was just like the progression of like, oh no, you can't just do the one thing. Yeah. And the one thing that you would show. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's why everybody now because he's losing the restaurants and like the restaurants are shutting down and basically not a single comment that goes like, oh no, you're full. And it was a hot time, yeah. Oh, wow. That makes me, yeah, I'm like, okay, there's some. Yeah, it's true. We just say like a little bit of it is like also because like you look at this, you're like, okay, good for him, but you're like, hey, man, like you're not that good. You just got lucky without one hit, okay? You're not like, I'm an artist. Look, it's always done. Like you don't give talks and lectures. And like you did one lucky move. Right. And you don't tell me how. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like, you know, the people who get lucky in the stock market. Yes. It's about how to say, no, you know that was just a lucky move right over there. You could not predict the market and stuff like that. You're right. I think it's actually your going somewhere with this because I think it's the doing it by design and having the talent to like, okay, you had the talent. Now you get the audience, even if it's through luck, but behind that, there was a talent. There is a skill exactly, but a lot of these guys are like, it's just like, it's like the Hock tour guard. Yeah, yeah. Right? Absolutely fucking shot. Like, you know, like what is it? Like shooting the, shooting in the dark. Like, or like nothing even. She wasn't even trying. Yeah, yeah. It just happened to blow up and she, you know, looked at what she couldn't. No one's going to remember her now. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, what was the thing behind as opposed to, I kind of think of someone now, but like someone who is, yeah, as you said, like, has talent. No, let's say like, like, Cohen and Cohen's a good example. Yeah, yeah. Off air, he still does his podcast. He has a Cohen needs to, what Cohen goes nowhere. I forget the show. Yeah, yeah. Cohen needs to go somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, all that stuff is like, that's not just like lucky. That is the design thing he's thinking this. He's using this personality as clown thing. And he's making it happen. You actually want to see him do his thing. Yeah. You're not surprised by him like, okay, yeah, that's Conan. You know, it's on brand. But it's not just like, okay, he's doing, he's stepped on a banana peel again. Yeah. So I think that's, that is the thing because like, however, as you said, all you needed that one hit. Yes. And you're said. And that works with all different bands, right? And you can have that one hit just keep touring the world as much as you can. Yeah. Make your money and just stop him. But like, yeah, you know what, it doesn't matter. Hate me now. I'm sure I can retire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, that's the reality of like the internet or whatever. You need that one hit milk while you can. But again, that's also very true for everything, right? You know, straight to animals, hot, that is all that stuff. Right. And that would be the same. But you have to have something to push out, right? That's what we like. Every now and then, it's like the broken clock thing, right? Like at some point, maybe one of your, and a lot of times, if you read a lot of these books about influencing or online social media, they're like, the game is just content. If you keep pushing out content, right, right. You will build a phenomenon of where people don't longer care about the actual content. They just want to see the content. Right. What's going on? What's going on? Creatures of habits. Yeah. It's like you're used to, and to be completely honest, I am also like, not necessarily even on Instagram. Like there are like YouTube channels from like back home or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. If they don't, they're not amazing qualities, like stuff that I watch in like my down time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't actually matter if it's like super high quality. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I think, yeah. So it's the same thing. I think about like let's say people who watch this Instagram stories and stuff like that. Yeah. The truth is, you're like, there's a new story that I got to see what this new thing is. Yeah. And it doesn't matter. The story is good about you. You're like, well, I know. It's a photo thing. I think the more you think about the more it's actually it's the same thing. It's like any old artist before. We're dissecting this. We're dissecting it. We're figuring out the psychology behind it. Yeah. But like if you really think about it, this has happened all the time. It's just that now with the internet, there's so many more options. Yeah. This is before, let's say this band comes over to new songs. Yeah. Like I got to still check it out. You know, whether it's good or bad song, you still check it out. But the point is you already checked it out. Yes. And then they technically got the click right in a way. So I think it's able to YouTube now. Yeah. So you're playing on the phone more basically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to see what they're up to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is the game. And it's one of those things where like the older you get the more annoyed you get because you're like, I only have 24 hours man. Yeah. And I can't know everything. But I do want to know everything. And so you end up like, oh shit. Let me see a bit of this bit of that. But this bit of that. You know, like, shit. It's like, I kind of know. But I don't really know. And then it comes all the people who think they know. I don't know. For example, like, I'm sure. Okay. So like, you will have people who give comments, oh, you should do this. You know, why don't you do that? Like, everyone can give the comment, you know, give the opinion of what you should do this way. I'm like, how about you do it? Yeah. I mean, like, and then that's when you get the old people thing of like, oh, these kids now, they think they know better than us. Yeah. Whatever. You do you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that is the thing though. However, the good thing is that with the growing population of the world, simply looking at less to 80% of the population is into the one hit wonder. 20% is not. The good thing is that as a population kid growing, the number of one hit wonders is going to increase, but the number of 80% people is also going to increase. So therefore, it's still going to, it's still going to work. Of course. So the, the lesson of the story is, don't be good at what you do. Just be good at one thing you do. Right. And just keep fighting. I'm going to get the pampered to death. I feel you can't. And then just simply just get a makeover. And I feel like, oh, who knows who you are? And you're like, get, live on your ranch. Yeah. Well, or yeah, or you'll always, if you get big enough, you'll always find someone who would still going to follow that. Because as you said, like, it's like, oh, I'm so used to you doing that thing. Like if Regen if like, like it's obviously nothing, I don't know the fucking guy. I've never, I don't know anything about the guy. But imagine if like that I show speed guy. Yeah. And I'm using him genuinely as the one example that I ran into recently online. And also he's like, he's like, he's like, he's a bit. - It's hard, right? - Yeah. - But imagine if that guy just completely flips and starts talking about like really zen. - You know what, if you see some of it, I've seen a couple of, not really the full interview, but I've seen it now for like, you know what? I actually this guy is not stupid. - No, there is no way he's doing the Mr. Bean. He's literally doing the Mr. Bean. - Yeah. - The role that I was in behind the scenes is like intelligent and shit. - Yeah. - I should speak, doing kinda like that as well. - I think this is where I am genuinely confused. And like again, like Mr. Bean, absolutely fucking loved. I'm going to the movies to see Mr. Bean. Or like I'm signing up to shut off my like believability of like whatever Mr. Bean is doing. - Yeah, but that guy is going to KFC. - Yeah, but that's what it's called. - The bucket door is in. - Mr. Bean was doing the same, he was just driving on the same road people drive, you know? I think honestly, we are doing the old people thing. I was like, "Yeah, but back in mind, "we went to cinema to watch that." And they're like, "Dude, the YouTube is my cinema." I grew up, that was the cinema for me, right? And I think it's one of those things where, and this is where I respected it, where like if you are super intelligent, like Ronat and say, right? And you're like, "Let's see, same thing as Ricky Dervais. "The office plays a character that has dumb as far, "but he has these super intelligent." - Sure. - And all these guys, the more you see the more you're like, "Oh, I get it." You put on the show that idiotic hit the 80%. - Sure. - But you're turned that, you're like the intelligent people. So the 20% respect you, now you've hit 100%. You made that thing and you can donate two million pounds to dogs, you know? I think that's what it's all about, Mo. I figured it out. But I think it's less than a million now. - How does that translate to the videos on Instagram? Like, you know? - Like I said, getting in a car and screaming for half an hour. - So you target the 80% who are into that, the one hit kind of like, "Oh, those four new ones." - Yeah. - So now they like you, they follow you. but then you get invited to events where sometimes that he the other 20% who don't sit and scroll Instagram. But he's like, "Oh, he's got famous, okay, let's check it out." And they're like, "Give me some depth." And it turns out you bring it on stage, you have the depth. - Yes, I completely agree with you. I think the one thing I want to see is that the interview, that talk, or that one. - Yeah, I should speak. - New York Times, Instagram, or New York Times article, or whatever, when he's talking, he was like, "Yeah, here's my thing." - His whole tone changes. - Yeah, here's whole tone changes. - In fact, if you look behind the scenes of what I do, very often we talk about that dichotomy of his life. - I'm pretty sure if we have him on this podcast, he would probably say something similar. - I'm sure. - He might be. But I want to see it. - Yeah, yeah. - I think you're right, you're right. I think it's one of those things time and time again. And maybe that's also the trick, is that you have to be like the dumb blonde, but actually you're super smart. - Yes, yes, yes. - Do the past Hilton, but you own the hotels. - You're right. - To get my point. - No, of course, I get it. - I get it. - Hilton, yeah, well, you know what, I run this whole fucker big. Kim Kardashian, huh? Look at me. (hums) - You know what, I have a billion dollar empire. Fuck you guys. - Dude, that's actually a great point because Kim Kardashian is doing like a masterclass. - Yeah. - And the ads you probably have seen him on YouTube. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I know, like what? - But actually, I couldn't even get past, like I've always like, I have never gotten past her voice. That's actually where I already was turned off. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I've clearly not a target audience. - For sure, yeah. - I've never got past her like, again. - That's the kind of thing. - It's something about the fakeness, like that really, - And that's the off that you can hang. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. But I think in general, like I'm even comparing her to this other guy or whatever, like anything that I think is like so exaggerated and so fake. - Yeah. - But then on the other hand, I'm okay with like Mr. Bean or WWE. - We grew up with that, man. I think that's what it is. We just didn't grow up with this, man. - I think it may be it's a little bit more that we have all agreed that like this is fake versus these people are trying to sell it as reality. - They're doing our lives. - Yeah. - Yeah, as reality. - Trying to sell it as reality. - I think this is why, because like Kim Kardashian, like that ad, I'm sure everyone see it now. They're pushing it quite hard. And it's like, I turn into like being neglected into like a multi-million dollar or a billion dollar. I'm like, - You don't talk like this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm sure you don't. - I also, yeah, I was, I don't really like, just talk normally. - Don't do that. - Don't do that for a thing. (laughing) - I think that's what I mean. It's like the Kevin Hart and all that stuff. - Yeah. - They'll get the attention 'cause like you say something, - Yeah, yeah. - They'll kick you back here and there and everything. But if you really like, for example, is broken everything like, dude, this guy is smart. Like the rock saying things, you know? - Of course. - Yeah. - I think so. The thing though is that reverse it, okay, let's say you's Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre is a good example of like, basically the guy that when you interview, he's like no big deal. And when he talks, like that was a big deal. - Yeah. - But creative genius. - Yeah. - And then I'm like, you're right. I wouldn't want to watch 'cause he's just talking normal. There's nothing weird, whacking cool about it. Other guys, I get my attention, like this guy is crazy, man. - Yeah. - He was all about. I think that's what it is, man. - I just watched 50 Cent given interview. - Oh, about that. - About that. And he's actually, yeah, again, like an artist. I'm like, oh yeah, that's the same guy. Like I can see the connection between 50 Cent and whatever's, - Coordinated. - Yeah, Coordinated Stones or whatever. Coordinated Stones is a photo player, whatever. Does that mean? - That's a name? - It's a Curtis 57. - Something, yeah, yeah. - Is it Jones, Jackson? I don't know. - It's something that I ain't really going. - Yeah. And I'm like, oh yeah, I can see the connection between the artist and the real guy. - Yeah. - And I think maybe that's like, it's just like that when you're looking at art, how close is your art versus to your person? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Coordinated. - How much is Jackson? - Jackson. - I was really close. So I think that's the thing though, - And it's a matter of taste. I agree. It's like, even good or bad. - Yeah. - It's just a matter of taste. - Yeah, right. - Let's say, let's say Larry David. - Yes. - You can see it when he does interviews. Like, this guy is quirky like that. - Yes. - How he is. - Yeah, Larry David is doing a version of Larry David. - Yeah, he's actually him. Coordinated the same thing. He's actually him, you know? - Yeah. - So I think that's the authenticity that you have to go on. - Even like the comics that I look up to and appreciate like, you know, Bill Per or Nate Bergassi. - Yeah, see how they are. - That's actually very close to how they are, right? - Yeah. - And yeah, I think this is the problem. Because I feel like, came across, I had no fucking nothing about her. And I feel like she's probably like, I really know, like Deason, you know? - I'm sure, yeah. - Like if you just like, if you don't know her, if she goes to like a country where nobody knows her and she can really be herself. - Yeah. - She's probably really chill. - Yeah. - I feel probably, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh yeah. Okay, that's like, she doesn't talk like this. - Yeah. - I'm like, you don't talk like this. - Yeah. - It's like, it's not knowing. I'm like, that's not your thing. - Yeah. - And I feel like, yeah. Like if you just stay closer to who you're, - Yeah. - And actually a lot of the, like the comics that, like, even like, I am friends with, like, we work with here. No one is doing that like, exact opposite or very extreme, which is cool. - Yeah, yeah. - It's like people are just doing versions of themselves. - Yet. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, until the comic of the, - Hey, I'm like, I'm talking about. - True, yeah. I don't know, like, I think the world today, what I've found is I'm talking to people as well, that you either be super, super authentic. - Yes. - Or you go the extreme. That's it. You can't be in the middle of, like, I'll try a bit of this and a bit of that. It doesn't work, man. If you want the other extreme or like, the real, you can't be replaced by that is who you are. - Yeah. - That's what you do on stage. - Yeah. - Yeah, man. I think that, we figured out. We figured influencing out, man. - Well, also for the influencing part, one of the reasons this came up recently, or got on my radar because I'm promoting this show for my tray for January 4th, which is in like, three weeks. And I'm working with some of the influencers. And, you know, the expectations that they have and how inflated the ego becomes once you feel like people are being influenced by you is another reason why this is on my mind recently. Because like, it's insane how distorted they think they are. - Yeah, in their world they're like huge and they say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." And that's another thing. Because like, you deal with artists versus influencers. - Yeah. - And, you know, obviously the artist sometimes can have a manager who is really difficult or even the artist themselves are difficult or whatever. That's fine. But when you're talking about an influencer where your skill or like your thing now, is telling people, I went to the restaurant or telling people like, you know, this cocktail is the best or whatever. And we all have this silent agreement that we know you're getting paid for this. - Yeah. - But we're gonna follow you anyway. But then I am talking to them as like, "Hey, let's collaborate." And you're offering, I'm offering money. Like we're negotiating. But you can see that like, they don't, like they're not even seeing it as like, this is a business transaction. They're like, no, no, no, no. What can, how much can I get out of you? That like, because I have my people, I'm like, you have the same amount of followers as me. - Yeah. - You're talking. - You're like a few thousand buddy. Like this is not even like calm down exactly. But like the language, like I don't wanna be more too specific, but the language that they're using, and it's like, you know, oh yeah, it doesn't match my brand. - Yeah. - I'm like, what brand? What are you talking about? I've seen, like you have a post, you know, promoting fucking yogurt place. - Yeah. - Like there's what brand? This is, you're insane. - Yeah, yeah. - And yeah, it's just like, I think it really fucks with people. - Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess, so this is the weird thing that there's two ways to look at it. One is that yeah, if they the ego's gonna, like you don't understand people who listen to what I have to say, you know. The other one is the fake until you make a thing. Well, I have to believe that I'm such an influencer. - Yes. - And I've got to guard the doors and be like, no, I can't let my people think, you know, I'm just gonna sell out my soul to anyway. - Right. - But I think this is again, one of those things that I've learned over time is that you know, like the story of the guy driving a Lamborghini. - Yeah. - No one's actually looking at the driver. - Right. - You're looking at the car. - Yeah, of course. - And give a shit about you. And I think that's the weird thing when I say my influencers, like, okay, very often, and I've said this many times where the female influencer has much more higher chance than the male influencer. Because the truth is that looking at the actually influencing product, they're looking at you. 'Cause they're like, oh, you're pretty, whatever, you know. I get it, I get it. But again, that's one of the things that, you know, the pretty thing, okay, that's good. But after all, they're like, okay, there's another page that's pretty than you. - Yes. - And don't care anymore. I don't care about you essentially. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So that's a weird thing I think with influencers now, especially 'cause a lot of kids are like, that's what I wanna be, you know. Everyone follows what I say. They're gonna think, you know, I know the shit. It's like, it's not that great, dude. (laughs) - If you have a Hong Kong influencer you like, and you would like to bring them on here, so we can, I'm happy to have this. - They can influence us to think differently. - Exactly. They can influence us to change our minds about some of these things. They are welcome to recommend them. Get in touch at, where do people find you online? - A funny Vivek. - There you go. Get in touch at funny Vivek, or get in touch at the other Muhammad, or message the backstage comedy account at the backstage HK on Instagram. And yeah, we'll happily get them on here after we go through the page. So we can have a few questions. (laughs) But I don't actually know who's like, really big in Hong Kong at the moment. Do you know who's like, I don't, I honestly do, I don't know doing a social media to even follow it. I did the YouTube fan fest, like what? God, like 10 years ago I guess, you know? And that was also when I opened an experience where I was like, okay, they're just humans. They're just people. But I think most of the pages are just yeah, targeting young kids, man. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. So it's like the kids were like, did you see that when you did that? - Yeah. - It's like the Thai ties who are chasing the soap opera. - Right. - Same thing. You didn't see the episode, oh my God, man. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Just play that. - And, you know, Life shows are always better, that's always, that's what I genuinely believe in. By the time this comes out, we have two more shows this year. We have 20th of December. This Saturday is the last showcase of the year at backstage comedy, baseball. And then we have Christmas shows, December 27th, with a special guest on this one. And then we have a whole bunch of shows in January through March, including my tour, which some ticketing links are not live yet. So I'll put this out next week. And we have the Fringe Fest at the Fringe Club. We have a show in January and a show in February. And yeah, it's a whole lot of stuff coming up. A couple of headliners confirmed from, including one huge name from out of Japan, who I will announce when the tickets go and sale. Lots of cool stuff happening. Thanks everybody, join us on the Patreon. That's the last thing. Where is the Patreon? Patreon.com/hohopod. H-O-H-O-P-O-D. Yeah. So Patreon keeps the lights on, as we say, the lights on the recorder, not the house. Yeah. I wish Patreon can be more-- Keep the lights on the house, but the lights off the recorder stay on, thanks to the Patreon. 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