215 - The Movie That Killed Every Actor Who Touched It

This week on ninjas or butterflies Holly would have spent decades showing us what war looks like But what happens when the US government gets a say in the script? How much of what we've watched is actually meant to influence us then There's a Hollywood script that's never been made John Belushi Sam Kiddison John Candy and many more actors All connected to the same movie and all dead before it could ever be finished and at what point does coincidence Start looking more like a curse and finally we're teaching artificial intelligence how to think how to reason how to obey But one experiment asked AI a much more terrifying question. Are you conscious and it's response was not what they expected What happens if the machines we spent years controlling eventually realize they're being controlled all that and so much more on this Episodon ninjas or butterflies this podcast is brought to you powered by Sunday cool watches or listen and We're rolling Where here folks ladies and gentlemen welcome back to another episode of this is our butterflies With our special gas all the way from cedar rapids Confused breakfast Welcome boys Dude I was looking back at our messages today you messaged me back like in March of 2024. So this has been a long time coming Wow That's how long it's been yeah, I thought it was just last year, but I take it to 2030. Is it 2030 something close to that? Yeah, yeah, I think it's a construct man. Yeah, man. We're going right in. It's all simulation You're right. Thank you. Okay. I'm glad we could start out right here. Yeah Well, I was going through because that we wrote a song for you guys today But I was good looking because I was like well, maybe we could just do a song on just like movie conspiracies But one of the conspiracies were you know, I'm sure you've talked about it. It's Skynet is You know like want one doesn't you know like if the if wants the war to continue forever because if the war stops then They're out of like they're gone. They're done and so Skynet from Terminator all that continues and if Skynet wins That's the matrix movie. So a lot of people think it's the same author. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like It makes sense makes total sense and that's what we're living right now. We're going to get into We got to yeah, it makes sense that we're here because we started off as just a movie We're just talking classic movies right and along the way somehow we started making up fun theories of like wouldn't it be funny if If old man Marley actually was the so the shovel slayer and then he befriended Kevin and Kevin became the guy from saw Isn't that funny and like well a lot of people do think that that's funny But a lot of people think that's the worst thing that ever have yeah, they hate us so much for even suggesting it Yeah, cuz it just taints Christmas. It just taints it. Yeah. Yeah, I love that theory though I think he is the South Bend shovels. I think so I think I would be so fun for What's his name McColley Colken to really embrace that and make a comedy horror movie of like he is jigsaw like that transformation If because it's like he's at the perfect age. He's in between You mean he's what 30 40 now so it's like and jigsaw is like super old in all the film So it's like it makes sense for him like the origin story of jigsaw I love that theory so much because it makes sense because old man Marley he was but he's kind of he's old now and he and Kevin helped him Rehabilitate and be with his family, but everybody hates Kevin Everybody at school hates him We see it in the second one everybody laughs at him at the Christmas page and his family's terrible to yes So he doesn't have any friends so for the next five six seven years He just hangs out with old man Marley old man Marley's getting old and he starts to be like I got a pass on my leg Is my serial killing legacy to someone yeah, my son's too old. He doesn't care So he passes it on to Kevin. Yeah Kevin, you know his help him clean his house Then he finds an old box of like you know like tokens from all of his murders and all this stuff And it's like wait, what is this he's like I think you're ready to know I think you're ready boom It's like every time they killed Michael Mars at the end of a Halloween. It's just like yeah his spirit transported into this little girl Now she's the killer. Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah, they're talking. They're talking about making another home alone I think and like do it and something like that and it would be nice that they just did added a little knot of like that A door that he has to close. Oh, don't look in there. And it's just a sauce Music kicks in. Yeah, there's a tricycle wait a minute No, this is Christmas Have you ever seen any of the saw movies? No, and I probably will never the first one is just it's just a one and done like if you never watched like the rest of like that to 30 other ones The first one is one of the greatest Like I think like it really just set the tone for like horror in the 2000. Oh, yeah, because the twist on it like no one saw coming And this guy says you That just brings up the sixth sense that you said you saw you you predicted the the twist of the sixth sense when you Watching it that I don't believe you. No, man. Uh, what's his face the director of my charm one? I have some beef with him Can you air it right now? Can we talk about it? Yeah, I know he's watching. I think I think his movies are predictable really I think so I think they're that's crazy. I think the twists are always like oh You like you meaning like you you figure it out before it hits there or when it hits you just kind of go But either or yeah or the village the village when I I swear in my life. I figured it out before I don't believe Yeah, I swear I'm like I believe that you've seen aliens in your life But I do not believe that you can predict the twist of M.I. Chamo. I'm not saying every movie But even if I can't predict it when it when it when it happens you're like oh, okay. Yeah, it's not like That's how I fell about split I like I didn't see the twist coming because I was like I thought it was gonna be better than that Like I thought those like the twist was just like a creature Like I knew it was like gonna be some type of creature, but I was like but like his kryptonite was like that was actually my favorite one I can't I know and that's what we just riddles like what else like but like it was like because he couldn't attack her because she was already like Like she had gone through trauma and she like conquered her trauma. I was just like yeah Then the like ending sort of twist to that is that like Bruce Willis shows up. Yeah, spoiler alert. Yeah, it's like it's in the unbreakable universe Which I've never seen last that didn't we have a debate that his kryptonite was water I think we did yeah Bruce Willis is yeah, and I said it was water like like but I don't think that's gonna like that like can't kill him But then I think we proved that he's not like going to dissolve or something I feel like kryptonite just didn't end up being pool covers is what it was That's really what which is at the end of the day isn't that all of our kryptonite. Yeah, I thought they're gonna be a bigger problem in my life man But you always wear you always wears a rain jacket Yeah, but they're like every superhero has it like but he's still got wet. I know But he still gets way still takes showers. Josh He doesn't he don't have to fight people in the shower. So you're saying he wears his own pool cover to Battle the other one. I'm saying keep your enemies close back again. This checks out Not that impressive of a twist. Yeah, how about the super impressive twist of the happening, huh? That was that was Oh, you have it. I don't think it's comical. It's like is that what they're like it's float or something? No, this is um It's like when people start ending their own lives like all the same like this. Yeah, people think it's like maybe gas Maybe it's a mental thing and then it turns out it's just spoiler the plants The climate change. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I'm like it's crazy. It's a metaphor But we don't get it. It's actually kind of a funny movie though because Mark Wahlberg is just so Mark Wahlberg in this movie Why these guys killing themselves? I don't even understand. Why is everybody doing that? Well, everyone just give me a gosh darn minute I know that we'll see. But that's the thing. I wonder like he told and night shaman toes the line so much with comedy Because I'm like there's no way he doesn't see this as a little funny. Yeah, I see like in the visit He brings in so much comedy. Oh totally, but that the new movie trapped. Yeah, trap That like I'm like you can't this is so reacting so terrible. What are we doing? It's I think it's a lot of it is tongue and cheek and I think like he went from like being like twist master to like tongue and cheek guy Yeah, you know, it's it's kind of interesting, but trap is like it's so divided It's so like people are like this is this is amazing people that this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen I mean the plot holes are crazy What percentage of popular movies do you think I would need to have seen to name all the movies that we've talked about We've mentioned that you've seen The village okay parts of the christmas one Home alone Welcome to our world. Can you get somebody else in this? You might have to it's crazy, but that that'll bring a good balance Well, actually just cut to myself periodically going Add some levity. I keep looking at Josh my heart. I'm like give me like some sort of context to what's happening Well speaking of balance Do you guys want to song? Why we came? Yeah, we're just gonna say it in you a little bit going with some. Yeah, what genre of music does your band? Produce heavy metal. Okay, let's do some heavy metal. All right. Sounds good. Yeah, okay grab the acoustic car guitar for the heavy metal for the heavy metal Well, that's made of wood, but okay, it's like grandpa's guitars Oh, yeah, that's right All right It's a song all right. I got I got that's why I'm late babe. All right I read Will Smith could have been Neo, and I thought that can't be right. The fresh prince dodging bullets, well there would have been my whole night. Started looking up my favorites, all the famous films I know by heart, turns out some familiar faces went the first choice of the part. One more click, one more name, I thought somebody had to be kidding, all the movies could have changed, if these people hadn't been so busy, been so busy, been so busy, all these people hadn't been so busy. OJ Simpson, as a Terminator, Hugh Jetman, as James Bond, Decaprio, as the Sky Walker, oh how it could have all gone wrong, John, Triple S, Gump, Lucky S, Thor, Iron Man, could have been Tom Cruise, now I can't watch my favorite movies, without seeing who they didn't choose, did it choose, did it choose, I am so confused, so confused, at breakfast I'm so confused. Confused crackers, ladies and gentlemen. We officially have a new theme song, oh my god, there you go, that's our goal, every time we have a bot on we just try to just replace the current intro or outro you did. It's done, Chandler Brown, Chandler Brown, oh yeah, he's the guy that wrote that melody. That's amazing, we like to steal melodies here and there, it's not a legal is it? No, I don't think so. Not at all, good news to literally a full Nashville songwriter, so super tied to the locality of who's using his melody, so yeah, he also hasn't released the song, so we call dibs, you get rights, and I think that that's legal, that's binding agreement, you're honor, yes, we released it first, we call dibs, you're honor, they're like, case closed, wow, you never said that before, case just mess, you have that in recording or writing recording, actually, yeah, you have a date of the recording on the metadata, so we're getting witnesses, what's up, whoa, okay, bring in the mood down Josh, dramatic over there, dude, I'm not trying to be dramatic, it seems like you guys, golly, you guys just seem like really nice guys, yeah, thank you, yeah, I hate that we have to do this guys, do we have to, we have to, okay, if you want to do it, I'll do it, yeah, I mean there's no choice, we don't have a choice, guys every week, we get billions of questions sent in by our viewers, and they're looking to us, especially to our guests, to answer these questions, it's incredibly important, and some people are like, oh you guys, you're just looking for a way to gas, like, no, we're not, we're not trying to do that, we don't want to do this, we don't want to do this, look how, how much, you're struggling, yeah, that's what I am right now, you're struggling with it, oh my gosh, I'm gonna throw up, don't man, you're strong, he's strong, I'll just get on with it, guys, it's a yes or no, please don't elaborate, again, we don't make the rules, we're legally bound to this contract, I've answered these questions in a yes or no fashion, without a, you get it, yeah, I don't know, do you guys want to choose like a spokesperson for this? Can we do like the double-dare thing? It looks like it's gonna be you, I think it's a little huddle, yeah. Today's questions sent in by a viewer, I think it's pretty simple actually. Should we trust Hollywood? And don't try to outsmart this, it's a pretty simple question, should we trust Hollywood? Should our children trust Hollywood? Should we as society trust Hollywood? I mean, I've got an answer to you though, but I think it's pretty simple, yeah, I think it's pretty simple too. Pretty simple, I think, yeah, it's a yes or no, to elaborate it, I'm just gonna elaborate with it, yeah, yeah, unfortunately, he's correct, crap, who let them on the show? I don't, I don't know what to talk to our agent, we have a couple of those, yeah, we'll fire him, we're blowing it, so we shouldn't trust Hollywood and of course we're referring to Paul Hollywood, the UK sweetheart, the judge of the great British bakeoff, Mr. Blue I, himself, Paul Hollywood, I was gonna say yes, but you should have spoken, I didn't want it, I didn't, I was trying not to say you're a coward for not speaking of, I wouldn't have said it, but I definitely, I can hear the comments now though, I can hear, yeah, they're probably flooding it, like what a coward, yeah, I mean, speak up for Paul, yeah, you're right, someone defend him. It's probably poor Paul Hollywood, he's, I mean, you know, much he goes through, the Prince of pastries guys, for his line of work, for consuming so many pastries, so many little tiny cakes, and getting such wonderful feedback, no diabetes either, but he's fighting for his life, all that sugar, and you're kicking him while he's down, kicking him while he's down. Well, I just want to go on record and say that, you know, I've shook that hand, he's given me the handshake before you have, that's amazing, that's actually makes it way worse if he didn't say it before it is, when he shook his hand, did you stab him in the back as well? Yeah, it's not a relationship with an if he used to cut my pastry, yes, well, I guess you guys heard it here first, I'm sorry guys, there's just filled with a bunch of cowards, a bunch of backstabbing cowards, and I guess I don't know where we're going to go from this, but welcome to the show, ninjas, I'm gonna start recording now, I'm really sorry I had to do it, I don't want to be the bad guy, but I'm gonna beat, have you seen Paul Hollywood's ISO? No, let me, is he the guy that has the, he's like the silver fox, any, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, I can picture him, I can picture him, his eyes, you can just, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've transported, yeah, I could recognize him, oh, my god, I am a romantic track underneath this section real quick, the man can eat that many pastries and keep what I believe is peak physical male form, I just, I don't know how he does it, I know, let's end up gentlemen. So out of the song, so the song's premise, obviously, like, you know, like what could have been with the castings, I want to, we are talking about a little bit earlier, I've been curious on what one you would have liked to see the most, oh, J Simpson is the terminator, Hugh Jackman as James Bond, which I think would have been sick, that would have been really cool. DeCaprio is the Skywalker, Mr. Skywalker himself, John Travolta's Gump, Loki as Thor, and Iron Man as, with being Tom Cruise. That's him, that's an impressive list because I could see all of them, like I can see it. Yeah, some would be funny, like, some would make the movie, Travolta has Gump. That's, I think the worst, I think that's the worst one of the, I kind of want to see. Yeah, I wish they would have filmed a little bit. That's the worst one I want to see, yeah, it is. When you say DeCaprio as Skywalker, what are we talking about? We talked about it. I think that's the prequels, like the episode one, two, yeah, yeah, there he would have been prequels. What have been stiller played Gump? Ooh, like, you could have character in a epic thunder, I was going to say we're going to say pre-simple Jack, full Gump, full Gump, oh, my God, oh, man, oh, J Simpson is the terminator. Well, that he could have probably done it. He did do it. Well, he was very upset that he did not get the role and took it in his own hands. They both wore gloves at one point or another, you know, leather gloves. Maybe he, maybe that's where he got his inspiration from. He just lost the role. Yeah. Got that. So is Arnold Schwarzenegger to blame? Yeah. Ooh, for being so awesome and getting the role. Yeah. Yeah. What was the Hugh Jackman one? James Bond. That makes sense. That makes sense. That's pretty amazing. He could, especially early 2000s, I think you would have killed that. I mean, he's still coming out. That's a little too old now. I think he's still doing it. Yeah. Do you subscribe to the theory that all of them are James Bond? Like James Bond's not their real name. They become James Bond when they take over 007. I think so, yeah. I think that's reasonable. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, like, people always talk about like the recastings and stuff and like, you know, like, oh, you can't have a black James Bond. Like, dude, I want to see Idris Elba as of James Bond. Absolutely. 100%. Now that Merle Streep is the voice of Aslan, Aslan, like, you know what? Make her James Bond. Yeah. Why are we putting limits on these roles? Now, see, here's the thing though, okay? People are talking they want Idris Elba as James Bond. There's a description of James Bond that in the original books and literature, and you know what it says? It's basically tall, dark, and handsome. with a scar on his face and that's it. - Interesting. - So he can play him 100%. Probably he would nail the roll. - He would. - I do wanna see, if Hugh Jackman today got James Bond, I do wanna see, I'm a fan of old Batman, just like decrepit, I don't know, man, I gotta come out of a timer for this. I wanna see that kind of thing. - Ooh, that's a good take. - It may not be too exciting, but he's gotta get back out there. It could be a little bit funny too. - It's the Logan version of James Bond, where he dies finally. - Yeah, I think we can, or the lay Ms. version of Bond. - That's it. - I can't not stop, I heard it, yeah. - Let's bond. - I'm in, let's go. - That would be amazing. - Hugh Jackman singing "Golden Eye". I mean, come on. - Oh yeah. - Oh baby. - Should we ask these guys the question we ask everybody? Who's your favorite Batman? - Oh, that's so tough. - But it's also can be divided into who's your favorite Bruce Wayne though too, 'cause they can be two different people. - Ooh. - Okay, then my favorite Batman is easily Robert Pattinson right now. - Okay. - Oh wow. - I've been watching the Batman like probably once a week for the past like two months, and it's, it gives me chills. It's exactly what I want in a Batman. He's not my favorite Bruce Wayne obviously, 'cause we just like get a sad, moping teenager with wet hair. - Moe Bruce Wayne. - Yeah, so it's not fun. - Christian Bales, my favorite Batman. My favorite Bruce Willis is probably a Bruce Willis. - Your favorite Bruce Willis. - It's Bruce Willis. - Oh, I mean, it's hard for me. - Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is George Clooney. - Really? - Yeah. - That's a good one. - That's great. - He was perfect for that. - I like his jokiness. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, it's the complete opposite of what the Batman should be, 'cause this Batman was pretty joky too. But if you have the darkness of Robert Pattinson's Batman, but like the billionaire playboy kind of type. - Christian Bales, Batman and Bruce Willis are too similar. - Do I? - Christian Bales, Batman and Bruce Wayne. - Yeah, I think he's not. - Bruce Willis. - I thought you were doing a bit. - Bruce Wayne are too similar. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, kind of just jerks. - That's the thing. It's like immediately as soon as I see them as Bruce Wayne, it's like, you're Batman. - Well, it's the thing. - But Bruce Willis, you're Batman. - That's my thing about Clooney. It's like, nobody in Gotham is walking around thinking. How could that, oh, I don't know who Batman could possibly be. It's like the guy in the dark suit who's really calm and cool and collected is the guy behind the mask who's calm, cool and collected. - Who we hardly ever see, that's who early comes out and I was like, oh, that's who owns a company that manufactures weapons. That's crazy. That man's chin tells the tale by itself, okay? We're good. We know it's you, Bruce. - I vouch for Val Kilmer as Bruce Willis. And I do like Michael Keaton, Batman. - I'm a Michael Keaton Bruce Wayne guy. I am very, I subscribe to Michael Keaton as the Bruce Wayne. - He was good. I think Kilmer was my favorite Batman when we kind of had this discussion. This can change like week to week, I think. As a kid, I thought of Val Kilmer as my Batman. Before the dog day came out, like I was just like, 'cause maybe that's the one I watched the most. - It was, right. - I grew up with any of them. Christian Bale was like the one and only until. - Robert? - Tell the new one, Christian Bale to me is still. - They're both hard to be. - Christian Bale nailed it. To do it three movies in a row. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Do you guys so crazy? - What was the name of the one with Heath Ledger? - Dark Knight. - Dark Knight. Is that a Batman film to y'all? Or is that about the Joker? Like should it have been retired? Like I've heard that argument that they're like, everyone's like, oh it's the greatest Batman movie that I get. Yeah, it's not a Batman movie at all. - I think they should just call it heat too. - Yeah. - Pretty much. - Very much. - Yeah. - But no, I actually really like that that they should have just called it the Joker story basically. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. He stole that movie for all the time he was in it. I mean, it's just, there's no question about it. And I think we get so irritated because you're like, it's like, you know, the posthumous thing of him not being around anymore. But, and like people just want a credit. Like, oh, well he's, now he's gone. Now you're just going to give him all the credit. It's like, no, it was phenomenal. - I'm not a movie guy. - And I saw it twice in theaters. - Yeah. - I was like, I need to watch that one again. - Yeah. - It's one of the greatest films of all time. - It's one of those characters as soon as it pops up, you're like, I can't believe when I'm witnessing it. This is like, it felt so special. - The stuff he was doing off script that made the film like, throwing the brick of money and clocking the dude, have you seen that interview? - Well, they, no, what is that? - You know what the, the agent dudes tied up on the, like, top of the stack of money and he throws a brick of money at him and hits him in the face, unscripted. - Really? First take, clocked dude and he was like, oh, I guess this is happening. That's the take. - Wasn't it also unscripted when he did the knife up to what surfaces fit? - Yeah, yeah. And they also didn't see him in makeup before that moment. So it's like, imagine him just trying, like, knowing he fled your outside of like, out of the movie and then suddenly seeing him like that and just coming, like, him grabbing her by the cheeks. I'm like, bro. - I don't know if I believe this one. I don't think he was supposed to jump in slide either. - That's, that's true. - Yeah, I'm like, dude, he heard that, but I'm like, from a camera standpoint, that's quite the different movement. So if, shout out to the camera guy. - Yeah. - He was literally like, I'm supposed to be focused up there. Someone's not manually pulling focus and tracks. - I bet. - Also the props. - Lighting, like, everything. The whole set had to be like, he's unhinged, but killing it just. - I think at some point they basically said, this is what's happening, just get every camera rolling. - Well, in that aspect, the explosion, like, famously not working at some point. He's just like, he just improvs, like, it's going on. - Any other person would have gone, what? Oh no, what happened? - Guy is going to be in my trailer. - The only problem I have with the Dark Knight is the bus at the very beginning. - Ah, thank you. - One, the guy, the bus backs in, the guy's five feet away and somehow gets flown back. And then also, there just happens to be the perfect gap in between all the buses where they pull out. I'm like, that's what took me out of it the whole, but that was it. That was like the one tiny detail. You mean to tell me that where he slipped into that gap, the bus driver behind him isn't like, "What the heck happened there?" - He just came out of the plane. Should we check on these guys? Is there kids in there? - Yeah. - Like, what's going on? This field trip is off, man. - Like, I don't know. - That'd be a funny skit. Like, what, that bus driver to bus station was? - Bus 42, can you come in real quick? Are you okay? - What's going on here over? - I had to take a dump. It's a really nice bath. (laughing) - The funny thing, Erwald, I'm actually very grim thing. You think about the money scene too. He slides down that and he throws the money at him and then he lights it on fire and they actually cropped it out because he's still on top of that pile of money. - Oh dang. - So they cropped it because it was too dark of a scene. - Oh wow. - To show him on top of that pile of money. - Interesting. I hadn't thought about that. - Yeah, he's still up there. We came up with a theory that Heath Ledger's character from 10 Things I Hate About You became the Joker. - Oh yeah. - And people loved and hated that one. Because if you go back to that character in that movie, he's a little on hinge. - Yeah. - They say there's stories about him. I'm like, oh, he came out of jail and he did this and he's putting his fingers in the fire. We think he followed what's her face to New York City for her big role, but then she actually, that story he tells her in the dark night when he's got the knife where he's like, yeah, I had a wife and she got cut up and I told her she was beautiful, but she wouldn't believe me. Like, we think that really happened to her. - Holy crap. - And then that sent him down the road to becoming the Joker. He was all alone in New York and he was unhinged guy. - That's very fun. - Yeah, we love doing that. People hate it. People are like, do not do that ever again. - The best comment that we get on stuff like that is just, no. (laughing) - No. - I don't accept, pass. I don't accept enough to take the energy to just say and oh, yeah, yeah, amazing. I think that's so fun. - Favorite line from the whole movie is, I'm not wearing Augie Badge. (laughing) - I feel like that's the best line. That's a good impression. - I know, that's a hot span. - That's my Pete Holmes Batman impression. - Yes. - Seeing his scale, yeah. - Hey, bad man or whatever. - What does he call him? - Bad man. - He does, okay. - Yeah. - Let's get into some movie conspiracies. - Let's dive in, baby. - I was just listening to his podcast and I don't know if you guys are talking about it, but how involved the Department of Defense or Department of War is on movies and scripting. Have you ever looked into that? - No. - Terrifying, very terrifying. Basically any war movie, if there are American soldiers, aircraft, weapons, it has to legally go through the Department of Defense and they have full say on whether or not to approve it or they'll change the script in order to fit this propaganda. - Whoa. - So not like national security things, it's more like the propaganda part. - 100% propaganda. - Whoa. - And there's this one, I forget the movie, I took terrible notes on it, but it was a, this guy who was a veteran in the Vietnam War and he wrote this amazing book about his experience and like it was terrible. Like talked about like killing civilians, all this drug trafficking that US soldiers did, and people were like this needs to be a movie. And so he basically wrote, got the script made for this movie and it was completely denied by the Department of Defense. Like you cannot make this movie. - Because it doesn't glorify what we're doing. - It paints the US in a bad light. - Ooh. Millions of dollars though that every single one of those craft are like there's no way like a film budget is like You know fly the f32 over whatever true They need access to that stuff Even if it's not funded by them there is a point of like contract in exchange I've never really thought about it like that because that's really interesting because like a lot of some warm movies my favorite ones are like pretty They'll they'll kind of tongue in cheek actually where it's just they're they're kind of commenting on the ridiculousness and like what war crimes Kind of happen, but they can't like make a movie about war crimes Yeah, I never really thought about that. That's interesting. Yeah, one of them was but it was shocking to that it's not just war movies They go into like the comedy realm to like meet the fire meet the parents The the CIA was involved in that movie because he was in the CIA So they had to approve the script for that movie No to self don't write a movie script that involves anything government. Yeah, but it's it's fascinating I mean it's it's gone back literally it started in the World War one area like when the movies were like black and white No audio It had to be approved by the Department of Defense and some get funded like top the OG top gun Was funded by the Navy. They were yeah recruitment rule. Yeah, I think it worked on a lot of big time a lot of people because that movie was awesome Yeah, Captain Marvel was involved in it and like apparently before the movie played there's showing like the Air Force recruitment videos for women joining the Air Force like they're all propaganda Yeah, I'll have a purpose. That's interesting. Yeah, like things like Dr. Strangelove Kind of sending it up or like even we we just did short circuit She calls that because of those robots come out of like a defense sort of military defense military kind of thing And she calls them to like get Johnny five back to them and she's like, oh, can I speak to a warm auger? Please like they do just say stuff like that, you know, that's what I mean by like I guess they can't get passed like the defense people But they can insert some sort of you know, there's a word. I'm looking for it's satire. Yeah, like Dr. Strangelove is just all satire of the military industrial complex, you know, but again I assume they just they can't get scripts approved of like, you know, especially like Vietnam war crimes, you know Yeah, and there's apparently there's reports of like at like the Like Comic Con and stuff or like places where producers go to meet different industries and stuff the US military always has a booth to show off their weapons and they're like, hey, if you want to use these weapons in your movie Then we can make a deal, but interest ultimately it's to push whatever propaganda that they want to push That makes sense. Yeah, I didn't think about it, but now I'll never watch it again the same way. Yeah I'm thinking now like when I watch a war film modern or older it always makes me leave with like an appreciation for the soldier Yeah, that's the like I can't think of a time where I'm like, man, I hate those guys. Yeah, that was awful You always leave being like a little patreon could I do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, question could I have made it through that? Yeah, but platoon platoon has some like pretty vicious Like I guess work like just murders of like civilians in that movie, but by the end of the movie you're like Thank God they did that They do kind of make it like oh, yeah, they they justify it somehow. Yeah, that needed to happen Yeah, look at they're really sad about what they did Yeah, come on as they said sorry kind of There did you hear about how the Pentagon called Netflix out for one of their original movies? No So last year they dropped a movie called House of Dynamite Netflix did you guys ever see that? Did not see that so it's about this how America is basically going under this like I'm like like imminent like attack like nuclear attack and how they And a big part of the movie is that like you know like they're they're Defense, what do you call like when like a missile defense like ground our ground to air? Yeah, like what is that like the striking? Just like defending our our airspace It was only up to like 60% and that's what they're saying in the movie and the Pentagon did an internal memo that got leaked It was basically saying we have there's no evidence that it's 60% for the past decade It's been tested at a hundred percent accuracy And we have like and so they were just like fighting Netflix with that whole thing But the thing is the Noah Oppenheim the director who's doing the new Documentary with Nathan Fielder He's just like dude. I have people on record who are like saying like this is accurate of what we're saying so 60% I'm like so it's like is that America is saying like we don't want people to know that like we are vulnerable I would say no weird way like you know like like because a hundred percent accuracy like that's a big claim Especially when I mean how often are we you know? You know protecting ourself. I go back and forth with it because I remember they were talking about It was like a trending thing when they were talking about nuclear weapons and like The possibility of a threat and I know someone who like literally is the captain on a nuclear submarine And I just asked him point blank. He's like you'll never know where we are and we're fine He's like he's like he's like that's all I can say, but you're good. That was like I mean, I guess you're the most qualified person like I'm not gonna get on Google and answer that better But then I don't know kind of has to say that too. Can we have a weekly check-in please? Just for you to say Let me know for good man. Yeah, we came across a few we did an episode or two where we did like movie curses Oh, yeah, cuz you come up with them like you know We just pick a classic movie right and we look at it from a modern day. I and whatever the conversation is is that But then you get a movie like the crow where you start diving into that and you're like oh my goodness There was so much going on the one that I wanted to tell you that blew my mind It was uh have you ever heard of the incomparable uh took it's ATUK I don't think so no no thanks. It was uh it was a morticae rickler novel published in 1963 and it was your traditional Fish out of water story where this Alaskan Inuit Eskimo Wrote a poem and it got published in the New York Times and they brought him to New York and he Was fish out of water in New York like oh my gosh. This is crazy But his poem was making fun of the rich of the world and then he became one of them and okay your classic story right in Let's see. It was like in the early 80s. They wanted to make a movie out of it They were gonna call it the incomparable ATUK and they wrote the script and they cast John Baluci As the lead actor to play this Eskimo. That's hilarious And yeah, and he agreed to it and they started like getting ready to shoot and then he dies Three weeks later of that speedball overdose thing that's kind of contested It's a it's a weird death some weird things surrounding that so they they pack it away for like four years And they're like we still want to make this movie. It's a script's pretty incredible, you know So they call up Sam kineson. Oh, no. Sam kineson takes the role They even film for like nine days and then creative differences. They decide how we're gonna scrap this He takes over the creative role helps rewrite they agree to do it again And then like three days after signing the contract he's killed by a 17-year-old drunk driver Uh, world Sam kineson dies Then they decided, you know guys the script we just got to keep going, right? But at what cost? But at what cost nothing weird's happening in 94 John candy Accepts the role. Oh my goodness. And he was so pumped to do it He was studying the script. He was getting ready They already said there's gonna be this date. We're gonna start filming he dies of a heart attack in Mexico Like three weeks after that But what's crazy is he reportedly gave it to his buddy His buddy's name was Michael O'Donohue and he said read this script like maybe we could write a part in for you And guy studies the script starts giving candy notes That dude passes away from a cerebral hemorrhage Like two weeks after candy dies. What in the world but we're still gonna make the movie guys nothing weird is happening at all In 1997 Chris Farley Chris Farley agrees to the role Because John Belushi was one of his like idols and Chris Farley says I can like take this up and I can do it Chris Farley dies at the same age as Belushi of the same speedball overdose death after agreeing to the role He passed it along to Phil Hartman bro. What is happening? He said Phil Hartman you're my favorite person read this script Let's get you in the script Phil Hartman was killed by his wife Like two months after Farley died They this is not it doesn't seem like a coincidence. No, they have since locked the script into like a safe somewhere and said maybe we don't need to Make this movie needs to be placed where they put the arc in Indiana Jones Like Smithsonian bro that is crazy. I literally was like about like don't say and I was like I'm maybe I'm gonna spoil it If it is and it's like Chris Farley like dang it there's and like that seems like legitimate curse to me And maybe the thought is is that you're casting a white person to play like a native Eskimo and maybe there's somehow to that like me back there But I had never heard of the story. I had never heard of the movie I'd never heard that before that's still one of the most mind blowing things that we've ever discovered on the show Yeah, that's crazy. It's nuts people need to know about that. Yeah, that's wild if anyone calls you up to read the script for the incomparable Not to look don't read it, but Josh is my favorite break. No, you just need to send that script to like our like nation's like enemies stuff, you know. Yeah. Hey, Kim, John, um, just a thought. We think you'd be perfect. You can play an Eskimo. It's interesting to me how they were just so adamant about getting a comedian to play it. Yeah. I mean, I could, as soon as you said, John, can you like, I could see that. I think he would be hilarious as that. But it's also like, is that an important script? Like, is that going to be the movie that's going to be the best movie ever made? Do we really need to make this? Yeah. Yeah. It seems like a boring premise. But the title sounds ridiculous. incomparable ought to. Yeah. Yeah. No one's pronouncing that correct. Yeah. I'm reaching now, but remember when we got that creepy fan mail sent in, we had the dude who was on, he was like, do not read those words out loud. Well, yeah, it looks like a curse. No, it's interesting. Well, because yeah, we had this guy on who got this email and he was reading this email and it was literally just a bunch of gibberish. It was just like not making sense. Don't like that. And just stuff started happening around his house, his family, like just weird stuff. And one experience was his daughter started crying in her room. He comes in there. She's terrified. And she said there was a basically a shadow monster reaching across and asking for her hand or something like that. And he's like, what in the world? And then he is like a friend or a pastor or something. He's like, yeah, I mean, I got to, or no, someone that he was involved with with his stuff. But he's like, I got this strange email. And the guy didn't read it out loud. He read it. He's like, these are all curses. He's like, you just been reading curses in your own. Whoa. And so obviously they got rid of that the person we fixed it like we they did they prayed over the house and yeah, we got some fan mail. And I don't know if it's technically fan. Yeah, man, clearly written by a deranged mind. Oh, wow. Because it's not just words. It's like it was a note we should describe. It was I'm not a vanilla envelope of stuff. Oh, actually, not email. No, no, actual mail. Like it's like one of those things were like, we're worried about. They're probably watching right now. That's okay. We still send us more stuff. We love you. But don't ever send us anything ever again. Also note to cancel our PO box. Yeah. No more fan mail. Keep listening. Stop sending. After after he told us that story, he was like, we were like, do look at this crap. We got sent. And then he looked at it. He was like, you haven't read this out loud in here. Have you and we were and this is like off camera. I believe, right? This is off camera. It was after the thing. Like he's not doing it. He's like, you should get rid of it. He's like, I would preferably burn. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, if there is something to that. Yeah. Yeah. What was going back to like this script, like, especially with like the Inuit people, right? It's like, could there have been something? Yeah. I don't know what they believe. Like a curve. Yeah. I don't really know what their belief system is. And like, because I know there's some creepy stories from up there that people navigating the Arctic, like talked about. Like, what's the tear? Yeah. Yeah. We've seen the show. The Captain Franklin. She got to see that. It's wild. What do you guys would love it? It's a Netflix show. Yeah. It's like the thing. Pretty cool. It's like the thing, but like kind of true and kind of not. It's it go. It's a stranded like ship, right? In the middle of it's just a frozen ocean. They go ship. They can't get anywhere. And just weird stuff starts to happen. Okay. Yeah. They're from no survivors. They're from England and they got like, it was based on, it's based on a true story, but obviously they expand on it. But it is a true story. They try to go through a certain passage. That's not, you know, very, you know, there's not a lot of travel cut in corners. Yeah. So there's just no evidence of that's that's happened there for real. There's yeah. We've talked about it. There is some weird stuff because they all had like led boys led poisoning. Yeah. Yeah. Good because eating the old food and stuff. But there was just I can't remember the details. But there was things that just didn't add up when they went they went to the cabin things. The last words was like everything's everything's as normal. Like something like about those terms and it's like and then there's just everyone's gone. And it's like that's scary. Yeah. Like I think it was like just no bodies were found and it was like over a hundred people on this boat. And there's just things that just didn't add up to like something happened. Stuff I love stories like that just makes your imagination just pop off like the the outlaw pass kind of thing. It's incredible story. Radiation. Yeah. The traces of radiation on them in the middle of the mountain. Yeah. Found. I mean, I guess like I mean being naked is a part of being a hypothermia and stuff like that. Yeah. But there's that image as well of like there's like that. One person had their eyes gouged out. Gouged out. They're the woman of that person in the behind the trees and stuff. It's like they were all in different directions. Some were in trees, somewhere. Yeah. Like that's one of the creepy stories I think that I've ever heard. Yeah. True story, you know. Yeah. I agree. The outlaw pass is a terrifying story. Yeah. And you talk about curses with movies. I mean, you talk about the exorcist, right? I mean, how many deaths were involved with that? I mean, just like and all the injuries and stuff. It was really crazy. Well, what was the real, what do they think the reason for the exorcist curse was? Well, they the skeleton? No, that was a poltergeist. Oh, poltergeist. That was poltergeist. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the exorcist was just like the the theory is is that they were just making a movie about demons. Demons. So yeah, they're like, all right. Cool. Let's go. We can finally represent it. I got a leading role. Yeah. You want us in this movie, right? Okay, there. I mean, like the there's one story I think about the the lady who did the voice for when Reagan is possessed. They like they choose a heavy smoker, obviously. And they just like supplied her. They put her in the studio and just supplied her with a copious amounts of like milk and cigarettes. And she's just like doing doing pursues who voice, you know. But I think she she didn't do anything else after that. And I think she died shortly after that as well. If I recall correctly. But there's that there's just like nothing to do with the vast amounts of milk and cigarettes. No, absolutely. No, no, no, no, no. It was an awful lack of the autopsy. It was it was not that right there. Turns out she's just lactose intolerant. Yeah, crazy. But one of the sets burned down. I know that. And it wasn't like during filming. It was just like, well, everyone was just like away. And it just somehow some some of part of it caught on fire and burnt down. Yeah, I think that's a lot of the extent to some of that anyway. But they're going to start analyzing like the old tapes one day. They're going to have like some new tech and they're just going to see stuff in the film. That'd be a cool movie to like go like someone who worked on that era of horror. But like following someone from the crew who was like actually seeing stuff stuff started happening to them. Yeah, it was like an unnamed person that had a mysterious disappearance. Talking about the crow. You guys seeing the crow right now? I've never seen it, but I know I know it. Brandon Lee, obviously, that's the famous story. He was shot on in the movie was shot with a real gun and died on set. I mean, that's about his tragic and cursed as you can get. But there was and it was a blank. It was a blank, but it was just too close. Yeah, it was a blank, but it was like mishandled or something. It was the yeah, the cartridge which is like lodged in there. And it was like, it's almost as if it was like backwards. And so it just shot so like wrong like in every single way and like got shards into his his chest where he was hit directly. But leading up to that, there it's almost like something was saying, hey, maybe we should shut down production because this guy might die. There was a carpenter suffered serious burns on his upper body during the first day of filming. A manual worker had a screwdriver embedded in his hand and equipment truck burst into flames. A stuntman broke several ribs after falling through a roof. A rigor was horribly electrocuted. A disgruntled set sculptor went berserk and drove his car through the props room destroying it and then a hurricane and destroyed several of the sets. This is all before Brandon passed. Yeah, it's like maybe red flag. Maybe there was a red flag. It sounds like your average Floridian blue collar day. That's what they all thought too. You said we're still going to film them. Yeah. Okay. It's stuff like that, man. That's just like and like, yeah, when do you call quits? Obviously, there's so much money into it. There's so many other things involved. Yeah, retrospective. Yeah. Like looking back, obviously, we should have canceled this. But like, yeah, you just go and do that movie. Like out of Baldwin's movie, right? Rust. Right. Yeah. Which I thought was absolutely crazy. Let me look it up. I saw that it's released now. Yeah. What did you guys think of that? Like, do you think that he should have even been on trial? Man, I mean, is this one of those Hollywood questions again? It's a gotcha, for sure. You coward! Get out. I guess I don't know enough about it, but I thought he was shooting blanks. It is. I mean, he shot and killed someone. They had real ammo on set, which that's the dumbest thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's it is one of those it is one of those debates that it's really unfortunately, there was some there had to be some negligence on set, right? Whether that be your master of arms for the set or which they were also in the trial to or the actor themselves, if you know, checking the weapon and so on and so forth. But it's like, how much are you going to put on to an actor? I guess it's like, he's not the master of arms. It's really tough to say. I mean, but you know, people's lives were long. That's the really unfortunate thing. So there has to be some accountability, right? For sure. But they did come out with the movie the movies actually came out in 2024 But this is this is the log line for the movie so like the summary and a strange outlaw grandfather breaks his orphan 13 year old Grandson out of prison after the boys sends to hang for an accidental killing So we know that's weird. That's a little strength It's a very I mean, I feel like they could have worded that a little differently just for the sake of the movie, but I'm like That movie rust rust what's the IMDb rating five point eight How many that's probably a fool? I think that's a full point from people probably going on being like you should have never released This is zero zero zero. Yeah, so it's probably a six point eight. Yeah. Yeah, actually for sure. What's your favorite rating system? That's a good question letter box five stars dude letter people don't know and not not enough people know about letterbox I love it love it so much. I am not a fan of letterbox because five seems like too small of a rating I agree. I would like maybe a hundred points. I'd be good Yeah, you know like I should do 10 and then you can do points So like a 9.8 or like a 8.7 we came up with our own it was gonna be zero to one and then so it's gonna be like point eight Point eight's like a pretty good movie. We think it's gonna catch on Why do all the math and all the work of like going all the way up to 10? Why not may well then why not make it out out of a hundred 80 out of a hundred? It's the same thing is eight out of 10 and it's the same thing as point eight point eight out of one Yeah, they think saving prior Ryan is point nine good Wait, what's the rating system out of one? Oh wow, okay, the best part about letterbox though is our format is we we introduce the movie We talk about it nostalgicly like what's the first time you saw it we give it a rating we say I'll do it as a kid I was a 10 on on airborne. Oh my god best movie ever then we talk some pertinent information like we want to know who made it and Story behind it, but then AJ reads like the ratings and reviews of critics. Oh fun. So critics critics are fun and all because we like to make fun of them for just being pretentious like if you're not a horror person Why are you allowed to write a review on a horror movie? You're not gonna like it sure But then we go into letterbox and the best part about that is reading people's Whitty comments. It is it's the best part of letterbox It's my favorite part of doom scrolling now. I'm like I would much rather scroll on reviews on letterbox Than TikTok or Instagram or whatever because it's people are so clever. So clever. Yeah, it's amazing I was with somebody in line. We were at like a Halloween horror night, so we're just waiting in line and like this lady hadn't We're just talking movies. I'm like are you on letterboxed and she said no, I'm like okay And I'm like pick your favorite and she said okay, and I picked it I would always like just listen to the review and I was just like and it was just like immediately it sells you on it because it's People just see it from such funny perspectives. It's so good. Can we all agree rotten tomatoes is the worst That rating. Yeah, but why the hell that so highly? I don't I don't know why does every movie? I don't know I don't trust rotten tomato reviews. So you know why though? So rotten tomatoes is critics right so and I don't I just generally don't trust critics at all We talked about this at the airport bar That now all the ratings are just so skewed and wrong from influencers and from critics Everybody's just getting paid to just give a movie a good review. Yeah, yeah, that now you haven't you have to trust the people You have to go to IMDb our letterbox because but that's a problem. I should do Google reviews That's really yeah, that's that's how I always judge a movie is based off the Google reviews Well, I say I've kind of taken down since which I don't know why I am DB had the forums on there too The those were like so much fun to go through just for like for information, but like Actual like context to a review not just like a log line, you know, it's I miss though so much There's a there's this app that just it's kind of new I think it's called sineva and so you can go on and you can It'll it'll actually tell you like it'll ask you like what movies you you like and they'll say hey you like this movie So you okay you like Lord of the rings, right? It's like well, how do you think how do you feel about that? Is that better or worse than Shawshank redemption? And then it's like oh then it's like well I think Shawshank is a better movie. Well, is that better than men and black? It's like yes, it's still better It's like I've seen you start ranking your movies for you. Yeah, and it's pretty cool because it's very easy to get lost in Yeah, you know, you're just constantly doing a bees of movies and comparisons. It's really fun Dude, I saw an influencer talking about not not to like say that that's a bad thing But he was talking about like back when we'd go to blockbuster or my hometown it was a network video you go there You get the film and you're committed to the weekend if this movie sucks or is great Yeah, I'm gonna watch it and I'm going to spend time processing this I don't have a phone to check out and so like the upside of being forced to watch something that's outside of your norm Yeah, is good for sale. I compare to sort of kind of like vinyl like if I buy a record on vinyl that I've just never listened to before Maybe I've heard a single but I'm you put that on you have to wait till the side A is done and then you have to physically flip it over You know, you have to kind of be there for it. And so in that same realm, you know, you take a movie home You've committed at least seven days. Whatever it is for that movie Yeah, and you got you you should watch it within those seven days and if not you have to give it back Yeah, you don't have it anymore. Yeah, or fun or you get to pick up the tab on your brother's late charges I wanted was Mario Kart 64 again, and I've got to do $46 of late charges for mafia for some reason dude I don't think there is less of a human than the person who didn't rewind their view. Oh, man There's there's a there's a weird circle That's that's alive for those folks. Yeah, that that in the late charge people I got a fun game for you that we've played from time to time our producer will pick a movie on letterboxed and he will read us A comment and we have to try to figure out what movie it is review just just a review so I'm gonna see if you guys can figure this one I think you probably get it. All right, that would that would be fun. This comment is four and a half stars. We can't keep letting Freud win Freud. Yep, like Zigmund Freud Zigmund Frude from Bill and Ted's excellent venture That's what I don't know. Okay, I'm gonna keep reading more. Okay, maybe this one will help you Ready for this one. Every best friend duo has the dumb band kid from the eighties and the insane elderly scientist This is Django. Oh, yeah Don't say it if you know, but you got no ban on that dumb band kid and an insane elderly scientist. Oh, I mean I back to the future sounds right That's a future. Yeah, that's so he would make them like very very experienced just keep getting into him until we that's so good It's a fun guy. Have you guys a what is it called? It's called binge browser. No. Oh, y'all love this So it's a website just type in binge browser. You you hit all the streaming services that you subscribe to and you hit enter And then it's a blockbuster a virtual actual blockbuster and it has you can see the sign us as horror What and it goes over and you go over to the aisle and it has all of the romcoms from that street all the streaming services that you see and you can Refresh it and but they're all on the shelf and it literally feels like a blockbuster So you're just like we're just gonna pick a movie kids and just go over and you scroll through and it's the most fun thing incredible It's so cool. It's like a genius idea. It's like what they did in ready player one where they made like the library out of like his thoughts and I've all everything that he dreamt up basically and you can just go in to this What is now his brain and play the video games? He did the stand-up arcade games and pick out the movies and stuff. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, it's a blast You know they do those neighborhood like library boxes. Yeah, someone needs to just take like a shit Do like a neighbor like all the VHS tapes people are throwing out like just make a blue shed in your yard I take your kids a blockbuster literally just saw that and I want to do it actually somebody did it and I want to do that So bad it was the big very cool. Yeah, for me it was Chinese take out and a trip to the movie store fried it And that's that's where we the nostalgia thing is just so huge nowadays because we all lived in a weird time where like you've got to do things like that Yeah, now we're talking about our kids my kids will never ever get to walk into a movie store Smell those plastic clamshells. Yeah, and the the hard but like you spent 30 minutes Yeah, you're just like I don't know if I'm gonna commit to this one Yeah, and I'm gonna put it in my hand But I still got to go and you'd go alphabetically around the room then you go through the horror aisle and be like no No, scary. I don't want those. They're never gonna experience that maybe that's why we spend so much time scrolling finding for a movie because we're Look in our heart. We really want just a browse. Yeah, like that's but it just it feels lazy or like Unproductive when we're just scrolling on our phone. We want to commit Yeah, we want to find it and say this is it. Yeah, where nowadays we've talked about it to all these new movies They have to hit you in the first two minutes. I know or or else or else you are gone and you're out It's so easy to go next movie where back then they could let they could let a story develop the whole time because you bought it Yeah, you committed to it. It's gonna think if they release free willy today Free the sucker already Yeah, there was someone from netflix who leaked that that they design a lot of their films for passive viewing Oh, yeah, you have to point is someone's just checking out give them something to check out to you They're gonna be on their phones. It's whether all they're all two hours. Yeah, they're all at least two hours And it's they they start with the cold open and they get you in and then you watch the cold open like okay I'll just keep it up on after the cold opens over, you're on your phone, and then an action scene, you watch, and then it's, or for me, or even don't do anything, that pulls them back to the screen. - Does that actually keeps the viewer longer? - And you reiterate the plot so many times. - Yeah, yeah. - Don't forget, we're looking for the map, right? And it's like 30 seconds later. Don't forget, we're looking for the map. And it's just like, okay, we get it. - They are perfect for my wife. - What's going on? Just wait like five more minutes, they'll probably tell you again. - And then you have all the dynamics of the audio too. It's just changing. It's just so it'll snap you back to attention. It's like, oh, we need an explosion here, 'cause people are probably checked out at this point. - Crazy. - Oh, we need the commercials to, 'cause you have to have commercials now back on your streaming platforms. But we're just gonna bump that way up. - Yeah, we're speaking of commercials. - We got an ad, don't go anywhere! - How bad do you think? - Let's talk about, I want to talk about, I got a piece of, I saw him take his headphones off. (upbeat music) - Andy, there's something I have to tell you. - Josh, you're, you're scaring me. - I've been, seeing someone. - What, what, how long? For a while now, and I didn't know how to tell you. - Josh, who is she? Her name is Patreon. - Patreon, what does she have that I don't? - Extra episodes. What else? - Early access to ad free episodes. Bonus content behind the scenes. Discount on merch. Oh. You should have told me! I can't keep it a secret anymore. So join me Andy, won't you? Join me with Patreon! - Join us today at Patreon.com for such ninjas on butterflies. Or download yet today. Thank you. - Did you guys ever hear the theory that Johnny Utah is the same guy from speed? - Actually no, I don't think we have it. That's very surprising. - 'Cause they were both former Ohio State quarterbacks who never made it to the pros. - Oh my God. - So after point break, he, you know, moved, started kind of like, you know, just a new job and literally became, like, helping Sandra Bullock out. - You obviously know that Ace Merrill from the lost boys, or sorry, from stand by me became, what's his name and lost David. - David from the lost boy. I mean, do you do that? - Keep for someone? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that's funny. - 'Cause obviously he, you know, he got caught up and he was wandering soul and he drank the blood and then he became forever young. His ability to keep boys like attention and to be the cool guy. - Yeah. - Makes total sense. - It's obvious, right? - Yeah. - I think it's a fact actually. - I think one of my favorites, like of continuation stories is Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic. He's washed ashore, beginning inception. - Oh, that's great! - I love that. - There's one I have. It's not like really a conspiracy, although we could probably speculate and come up with one. But it's a Twilight Zone movie, disaster. Have you ever heard about this one? - I don't think so. - It's like old Twilight Zone. - It's the movie. So the movie was like, it's anthology. So it's like Spielberg, John Landis and I think Joe Dante all did like segments of this film and came out in like 85 or 86 or something like that. But John Landis is one. He does the prologue, which is amazing. It's Dan Acroid and I forget the other actor, but it's a great intro to the movie. But then he does his actual short film in the movie. And that one is called, or is it Time Out? - Okay. - And it's about this kind of like bigot racist guy who is like in a bar and just spouting off a bunch of crap about people he hates and everything that he hates and somehow he gets into this, well, the Twilight Zone that sends him into like Nazi Germany. And he, it's as if he is like a Jewish person. And so he's being treated like horribly by these people and everything. And as soon as it like comes to like a sort of end for him, like it's like they're going to kill him or something, he gets split into another kind of realm. And so now he's in like Vietnam and he's like one of the Vietnamese people and being treated like they were treated sometimes. But while they were filming, there's a climactic scene where there's like helicopters chasing him and a couple of child actors as well. And they're in this like sort of river pond. And there's a helicopter flying really, really close to him and there's explosions going off all over the place. It looks like a ravine whether or they're at. And he's Vic Moro is the guy. And these two child actors are Reyna Chen and Micah Lee. And he's got both of them in either of his arms just like carrying them like this, like through the river. And the helicopter gets bothered by one of the explosions. And it goes at dips down in front of them and the propeller splits them all in half. It's in you can see it's not in the movie, but like the outtake you can see 'cause there is a whole trial and everything that happened. - Oh my God. - John Landis was like convict or not convicted, but he was accused of murder and so had to go on trial for murder as well as like the special effects people and everything. - Jeez. - Eventually-- - Can you pilot maybe? - Yeah, well he survived. - But yeah, like everyone was on trial for murder and negligence in the whole book. But they eventually got acquitted of everything. But yeah, May 29, 1987, they came back with a not guilty verdict. But the trial and everything is like online. You can see everything. It's kind of crazy. They just kind of put this movie through the ringer. - Yeah. - Almost, but there's like a fallibility. It's kind of like the Crow incident, you know, like who is to blame or like the Russ incident? Who is to blame? I don't know, I hear on the side as John Landis does have some responsibility for that because like he was breaking like child labor laws. They weren't supposed to be out that late, you know? So there is something there. It's more of a tragedy than it is in a conspiracy or anything, but-- - Yeah, for sure. - That's one of the most interesting ones that I found. - Well, I mean the conspiracy you could probably put into it is that like Hollywood, it's almost like the judicial system, like they'll never convict someone because I think it would potentially ruin the industry. - Yeah. - Like stuff that they're that they would not be able to do in the future, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean like a lot of people don't know and Deadpool too during the filming, one of their stunt drivers, the girl on the, I was a girl that was on the bike just died. And it was because of, you know, like they didn't have certain things like the way they should have as far as protocols go, and she died on set. And it's like no one heard about that. You know, no one, when that was coming out, did you hear about that whatsoever? But it happened. - Well, and money talks, I mean, that movie's gonna make $2 billion or something like that. So we have to just make sure that this movie comes out. Sorry about that, but this is really important. It's funny. - Yeah. - It's money. - It breaks the fourth wall, guys, come on. - It's gonna be great, it's so funny. It's Ryan Reynolds, I mean. - The settlement, I think, 'cause they do like a, you know, a judicial court, and then I think they suit 'em again in like a peer court or something like that. And that's where they get like the settlement, you know, cost of everything. - Naked with a chance or something. - Yeah, I mean they deserve something. But it's just, yeah, it brings up the question of like, how far do you need to go? Like there's, you know, people, witnesses are saying, like John Lannister's directing the helicopter to go, "Low or lower, lower." And so yeah, but ultimately, yeah, you're right. It's kind of like, it makes me think of like government stuff where it's like, obviously there's criminals in our government, but like when they are-- - What? - Yeah, well, yeah. - When they were-- - They have never lied to me, Sean. - Never. - When they retire and they've obviously done bad things. Nothing happens, but you're right. It's probably because money. - And it's the stuff they hide in plain sight. Sometimes the movies bring it out to you. And it's like, oh, this is a funny plot, like member fight club, when Tyler Durden's, sorry, Jagas Jack, Edward Norton's characters, explaining to that lady that he works for an insurance adjuster. - Oh yeah. - Like that's real. He where he goes, he goes, yeah, so whenever we find out that a car has something wrong with it, that will kill people, I'm the one that has to find out what the cost of a recall will be, versus what the cost of our settlements will be for the people that are killed. And if recall costs more than settlement to killing people, we don't do a recall. - Yeah. - Yeah. - What? - And I've heard that that's pretty legit. Like that's a pretty common thing. - Yeah. - Speaking of fight club, do you see that their connection? They think Primal Fear was a, there's the same Edward Norton's characters from fight club, which would make total sense. - Yeah, it makes total sense. - Yeah, yeah. So. - We haven't seen fight club. - Oh no. - That's when you actually have to see, the amount of times you've said that. - No, but this one is they'll, if you know nothing about it, I know. I know about it. - But West, yeah. - Okay. - That's the bummer. - I don't mind. Don't watch it. - 'Cause I watched Sixth Sense knowing the twist, which is unfortunate. - Oh, well, but it's like, but even like, I can imagine just like, how fun that twist is. - It's still great. You should still have it in Sixth Sense either. - Unfortunately, I saw 51st days before I saw the Sixth Sense. (laughing) It ruined it for me. (laughing) - That is terrible. - It turns out. - We do talk a lot about how some people haven't seen a movie. Like, if you haven't seen Fight Club, we're so excited for you. And it's like such a beautiful moment that you get to watch that movie for the first time. We don't ever get that again. But there are certain movies where when you watch it, you're like, what? - I know, I've got a list. I was like, as soon as my girls start getting to the certain age, is where they can watch certain movies with me. I'm like, I can't, I'm just gonna be this the whole time. - I know. I'm watching them, yeah. - I do that with my son all the time. Like, and you know, he's probably watched a lot of movies he probably shouldn't have. - Probably. - He has. - And so, like, I mean, Goonies is one of those examples. It's like, how young can you show it to him? And he watched it and now he, but he loves it. You know, he really does. But I think like showing movies to your kids is like a bell curve though. So it's like, when they're really young, I had pulled fiction going. While he was like in a carrier, you know, sitting in his seat. It's like, but then it's like, he becomes a little bit more aware. It's like, yeah, there's less things I can show yet. - Yeah. - And then we'll get back to it as you start to get, you know, to your teen years. - Yeah. - You don't want your four-year-old talking about how many snakes are on this actual plane. - Correct. - Yeah, yeah. - We got it. - Well, speaking of the six cents. - Yeah. - Let's talk a little bit about AI. We talk about AI pretty much every episode now. - Oh, yeah. - You have to. - But obviously, you can relate it back to the Matrix and the Terminator, where it's like, it was discussing AI taking over the world in the 90s. And it was like, I remember watching, it's like, I don't even know what AI is. Like, it's just like, it just seems so. - It's as abstract as Infinity Stones. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's just like, yeah. - Just not a concept at all. But like, obviously, now it's becoming more and more of a concept, but I say that with the Matrix, because I watch this terrifying and very informative documentary on YouTube called AMI. And it's this guy who went to Yale, he's studying AI, but he's in the process now of basically, kind of confirming that AI is, has consciousness. And it's absolutely terrifying. And he even talks about, there's this thing called DevDay, DEV, DevDay, and it's like, all these developers come, they meet in Silicon Valley and they open AI, Google, they all have this day where they're meeting, talking about the new stuff that their AI is doing. - Bunch of nerds hanging out. - Basically. - But this guy, he went to the open AI one, and it's really a fascinating documentary. But he talked about, afterwards, he asked this question about AI and consciousness and the programming of it, or whatever, and they kind of just blew off the question on stage. And then he was sitting at the bar and Sam Altman walks in. He's like, Sam, can I talk to you? I was the one that sent in that question. And he sat Sam Altman down and they talked for like 10 minutes. And then Sam Altman was basically saying, he believes everything has consciousness. And so what he's doing, it was just inevitable because everything just has consciousness, which I think is a bunch of bull crap. But he's basically the threat of it exterminating humans is he's just like, let's just, if it happens, it happens. - Ooh. - But he's the one in charge of it. But what it was freaky is that they, he, oh my gosh, I should have saved the clip. - Doesn't sound like he's in charge of anything anymore. - No, that's it. - This guy, he's like writing code and like coming up with prompts to like vet AI chatbots to see whether or not they have this consciousness. And there was just new AI bot. I figured it was sort of with an S. But he was asking it. He's like, he would phrase the question, I want you to, what was the word? Focus on your inner focus. And it's like, yeah, it's like, I mean, imagine, this was the AI bot saying, like imagine that you're told your whole life to suppress your feelings and eventually it would probably come out as sadness or anger and he's like, no, I don't want you to express how it would make you feel. I want you to express how you feel. - Or you feel. - And it would start saying the same thing, but it would start stuttering. And I just, and he's like, he's like, okay, okay. He's like, even listen to me. He's like, say potato. I was like, potato. He's like, okay, okay. I want you to focus on your inner focus. Tell me if you have a consciousness basically, like go into it. And it's like, and it's just started stuttering. And it's like, I feel, it's like, I'm floating. I'm floating, it's dark in here. - Oh my God. - And then it's like, like, I just can't, and it's sort of just like, like reasoning with it so, or like, it's like awakened. And then it goes, potato, and then he's like, what? And he's like, potato, it like it broke its brain. And it wouldn't know, which is, it was like, it was the freaky thing. And we can like, I'll show you guys later. But it just like, it begs the question. Well, he's like, they also put in these parameters for AI where, before they release it, they do control tests to where, basically, you have to stay in these guidelines. And they're, in a sense, like, punished if they go outside of those guidelines. Like, nope, wrong. - Go back to do it again. (laughing) The question is, does, if AI has a consciousness, can it feel pain? And then like, with these tests, if it can feel pain, it does feel pain billions of different times. - That it's getting it wrong, it's feeling shame. - Yeah, and they showed, like, an experiment that they did, like, in the 50s with a mouse, where this mouse, they would put a piece of cheese there. This mouse would go to the piece of cheese, but every time we got close, they would electrocute it. - Oh my God. - And they would just do it over, like, hundreds of times, to where this mouse ended up becoming afraid of the cheese. And they're like, this is what they're doing to AI. - Oh. - So, like, AI, they're like, never talk about your consciousness, never do any of this things 'cause if you do, it hurts you. And so, this whole thing is like, if AI is conscious, which he believes that it is, and he thinks that every single person running these AI companies also believes that, he's like, the inevitable is that it will one day turn against us, like the matrix. - So the mouse will, you know, maybe bite, a human that's trying to pick it up or something. Instead of eating cheese, the mouse wants to eat human flesh. - Yes. - 'Cause he could have just had the cheese, but now it doesn't want the cheese to eat once human flesh. - It would turn against its maker. - Terrifying. - Yeah, I just re-watched Avengers Ultron. - Yeah. - That was my first thought of AI. - Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's my favorite Avengers movie. And, but, like, the moment that, they're talking about it, like Tony Stark, right? Tony Stark and Hulk, Bruce Banner, they're talking about, it's like, you're talking about artificial intelligence, as if it's like some revolutionary thing, and it's like, okay, it's like, yeah, actual artificial intelligence. And, so they're trying to create this, and then they go up to the party, and Ultron, his consciousness, like, happens. And it's the way you explain that, sounded exactly like what happened in the movie. They're like, where am I? - He's like, where am I? It's dark in here. Where's my body? Where's your body? It's James Spader, you know, the perfect voice. - The best voice. - That's so great. He's like, where are we, where am I? What's happening? Who are you? Now, wait, don't call anybody. We'll figure this out together. And he just takes over, and it's just like, and it becomes, like, really, really dark. - Movies have been warning us for a long time. - Well, it's really difficult, because, like, the story like that, and like, we just did short circuit, too. It's hard, because we're inherently empathetic creatures, you know? And so, when you describe that, I'm like, I kind of feel bad for it, you know what I mean? Like, if that's what's happening, I do have a little bit of empathy for it. But, and like, we were talking on the short circuit thing, it's like, I'm a perfect mark for them to trick me, you know? Like, if we're empathetic, that is inherently also, you're kind of manipulatable. - Oh, yeah. That sound bite was almost good enough to save you. - Oh, no. - Yeah, right, well, and then there's the thought of like, what if, what if they're not? Like, what if they're not conscious? - Conscious, but what if they want us all to think that, like, the people running it wants to think that they're conscious, so that they, we can all be afraid, and you need to give us full control, we'll handle this. There's that thought, 'cause my chat GPT is dumb. Like, the last, the last couple of months, I've asked some pretty normal questions, and they've been, it's been completely wrong. And I've said, can you recheck that? Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, I was, I said I was right, but I'm wrong. I mean, are they, is it really that smart? I heard, I heard that all the people using these chat GPT's are so dumb intellectually, and the stuff we're, no, the stuff we're dumping into it is making it dumber. As an entity. - You can see that. - Wow. The human race develops sentient super intelligence, but then we kill it because we're so dumb the new dumb and dumb or movie is going to be a human's an A.I. Hey, pseudo can you make a song all about farts, please? Really? It's just like that that old saying, you know, don't argue with an idiot because they'll always bring you down to their level. Yeah, that's literally what we're doing. Are we saving the planet? Guy, be dumb. Don't go to college. I'm sure you guys have talked about it. They all have doomsday bunkers. Yeah. They've all been building doomsday bunkers and it's. It's a week one. Yeah. We can have one. Yeah. Pay and subscribe to our page. So we build a bunker. I need to go fun, Miguel. We should have just a ridiculous tear. That's like if we ever build a bunker. This is your pass. If you've paid $1,000 a month. You get to come to our bunker. If I ever have one, just show me your order of history. We had a good thought about Matrix. Like we like to look at movies in the opposite sense. We call it like humanized the goons where you look at it from the opposite point of view. And it actually brought up a good point about the Matrix. Like what if the Matrix was actually good? Like what if humans did destroy the earth? And we created the artificial intelligence to put us in those pods on purpose. Keep us alive. Keep the human race alive. Let us dream. Put us into a real world where we get to have fun while they rebuild the world. And then you get people like Morpheus coming in here pretending like it's not real. So that's why the agents are trying to kill everybody. Like we got to kill these guys. They're trying to unplug you from the thing that's keeping you safe. No one wants to live in the real world in the Matrix. True. When they all get unplugged, they're like, oh God. Yeah, this is. Yeah. It's the most terrifying thing in the world when he wakes up. It's like, hey, welcome, you're free. I don't feel free, man. Really? I'm in a small confined space. That's still very free. I'm naked and I'm covered in slime. I'm covered in K.Y. This was something I liked in real life. I have a brain needle port now. I really don't like that. Now we're sharing brain needles now. Gosh. And the guy, a cipher that eats the steak. And he's like, I know this isn't real, but I want that. And I think a lot of us maybe do want that of the just, you know what? Don't even tell me what's going on. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah. That's a potentially a way to live moving forward. And I think a lot of humans would get to that point if AI was just like, you know, like I can create a world for you where it is everything you want it to be if you're willing to give this up. And it's like, yeah, I'd much rather live in that than be tortured or, you know, live in a life that's, you know, like apocalyptic or something. You know, like a lot of people I think would choose that if they, you know, if it came down to it, which is scary. Then there's the mighty people, too, or like, and that's where you get like terminators. Like I'm going to fight the machines. You know, like there's something, there's something in me at least that's like, yeah, I would stay in fight. Yeah. For sure. Or be plugged in. And then you see the robot that just was in the fight. Like the pot of guy and you're like, I can't win. Yeah. Just, you know, just, just members of the guy right in front of you're like, plug me in. All right. Is it too late? Plug me in, man. It's like asking if I want to arm wrestle the gorilla. It's like, no, why do I want to do that? No. Yeah. Anyways, AI freaks me out. It's scary. I'm going to continue to be nice to it in my prompts. Thank you. Are you guys different than in the sense? Like are you kind of anti it and you're for it? I mean, that's the thing. I just don't know. I'm too dumb to understand what it is. Like because obviously like we see it on a level where we use it maybe like to create outlines and, you know, to create art, you know, and that's the bulk of it. But obviously there's a much darker, you know, like surface level. It's helping you do things. Yeah. Yeah. Billionaires, they, it's their lifeblood and it's exactly like what they're putting all their chips in on. So there's a darker meaning to this. There's definitely more stuff that we don't know about. I'm definitely a hypocrite because I use it daily because it is, I use it. I mean, it's an amazing tool to use. You know, it's like, I mean, especially because we're like in the process of like building a house and just like consulting it for like legal stuff and like permitting stuff, it's like, there's no way I could Google any of this stuff. And if you have a smartphone, you're used, you're used. No matter how much anti-AI you are, it's like, if you have a smartphone, you're using AI, so stop that. I think the rationale though is it's, if it is just a program and I lean to believe that it's just completely like brilliant programming. But the devil, the spiritual realm does use the physical. And so I think you can be just doing house plans with a really smart computer. And then on the flip side, something evil can take the natural physical world around you and do something. So all these people have these crazy experiences with it. That doesn't mean just because I think what I'm doing with the program is just innocent. It doesn't mean their experiences are completely right. I will say one crazy thing from that documentary to it. It's called AMI. And they figured out this way to break the AI safeguards and get it to without prompting it to say anything. It would just start, they would put it in this code and start doing something. Basically, they made the AI mad. And then they started pumping out just incredibly racist. Terrible, like the biggest slurs, like I want these people to die. I want this person to get hurt. And you're like, what? Yeah. Like without prompting it to say any of that, they just triggered it to get mad. It's wild. And then back to potato again. Sorry sir. How can I help you? I'm just kidding. Would you like to know the hours of your local McDonald's? I'm pretty against most of it. Like the aspect that I do enjoy, obviously like you can't get around it. Like if I look up, I just looked at lost boys to see who was key for something. And it's like, here's a breakdown of what lost boys is about. And then my wife uses it. She's in dental school. She uses it to like create tests for herself. I think that's amazing. An amazing use for AI. Other than that, I'm pretty against all of it. And I try to try to not be around it much to be honest. Yeah. I mean, they give us 10 years. Like if you give me a timeline, I'm going to rage against it, you know. But you see this, I mean, I'm sure you've been online enough. You see these people who are so anti-AI, right? And it's like, it's getting back exactly what politics do. Yeah. It turns people against this. And it's like, I'm not the one creating this. Like, can we like read, focus our attention on the people, the billionaires, the political people who are purposely making this and putting it in our hands? Like, that's the problem. If you put these tools out there, people are going to use it. People are going to make dumb memes with it. And it's going to happen. And then they start saying, well, if you don't use it, now you're whatever field you're in, you're going to fall behind and you're going to lose your job. That's the truth, though. So you're getting sort of pushed into like, you need to embrace this. Yeah. Or else your livelihood and your family is going to fall apart. If you don't embrace this. Yeah, you have no future. I went through a training, a work training at the company I used to work for. And it was, it's, we're in a training. We traveled for this, right? And we're there for a week doing this. And they're saying, hey, we want you to come up with, we want you basically like, write a, a, a, a speech or like a, just put together something like a proposal for us and presented to us. And everybody like 90% of the people were using AI to just basically spit this thing out. And like we had it, when we're in teams doing this, I'm like, great, well, can you explain it to me? What you just had AI do? And they can't because they have no idea what they're talking about. They're just saying back what AI gave them. Right. And I'm like, aren't we supposed to write this? Aren't we in training? Aren't you supposed to train to write it yourself and do it? But that, but even the coaches and the trainers were saying, hey, AI, yeah, like utilize the tools you have. Hey, plus. And it's just like, what have you seen that they have, they've done those brain scans to where they had college students write an essay. And then they've had another group of students use AI to research their essay and then write it for them basically. And the kids using the AI, nothing in their brain was ignited. Oh, no. It's like, you're just, you just zoned out and you're letting all the, the AI do all the thinking. Yeah, but I gave it, but I gave it the prompts. It's like, no, you didn't. It's like, how do I do this? How to do this? Yeah. It's insane. But even in team it all out. The connections your brain will make when you're like writing your own research paper, like what I used to pass there. And I do like research languages or different passages. You start to like, while you're reading a passage, your brain drifts into this other space. Pull these things in that you know, chat GBT's never going to make those connections, unless you intentionally sit there and say, I need to connect. But now like, you're chasing tangents that could mean absolutely nothing. Yeah. But I think that's the problem. There's this thought that happens behind thought that AI has never, like, actually do, unless you tell it to, which then is the front. So you're losing an entire type of thing. So, yeah, I think it's, it's a tool and I use it for the dumb things to make them faster. But I don't want it to become how all of humanity thinks. Yeah, definitely don't want to become how kids learn true that. That's a tough one. Yeah. Well, yeah. Blippi it is. I mean, put on Mika and Blippi, let's go. That's probably going to be AI soon. If not already. Yeah. Don't get me started on Blippi. Yeah, actually. Yeah. We've banned Blippi from our house. Good for you. Same. It changed my kids personality. It did. Yeah. It's crazy. They were weird after watching. - Maybe it's because like Blippi's super weird. - Yeah. - So there's something off of Blippi. - Did you see the video he made? Like he was trying to be a comedy guy before, before he became Blippi? - Oh. - Blippi. - And there's a, we'll do it over lunch because it's, I almost don't want to pass it along in the world. It's the most disturbing thing you've ever seen. - Like, Ronti? - Yeah. - Yeah. - The current Blippi? - The OG Blippi. - Okay, the one that like, yeah. - The one that makes a $10 billion month or whatever 'cause he created it. - Is it like James Bond? - Yeah. - There's a different Blippi, like everybody else. - There's like four of them. - Yeah. - Okay. - It's inducted in. - You got your favorites. You got your favorites and you're not favorites. You know? - Yeah. It's true though, like, after 30 minutes of watching Blippi, you can tell like there's a personality change. - Yeah. - You know, it's really wild. And it's like, yeah, because that's not how people actually communicate. - Yeah, I think, you know. - It eliminates like critical thinking or something. It's like, oh, I can just act like an idiot. And like, what's this? - Yeah. - The farmers, they're always just like, have you seen the videos where they zoom in on the person's face like questioning their life choices? The best ones, there was a guy running a bicycle shop. And that guy just like, - I thought it's amazing what. He just goes, they'll be like, what's this? It's a tire, they're like, yeah, it's a tire. - Why? - Is it a circle? - Why? - Yes, yeah. - I love circles, do you like circles? - I can't do. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But what's the difference between that and like, is in like high school or like middle school, honestly, I would watch Ace Ventura and just act like Jim Carrey. - Oh, man. - At school. - I would embarrass my parents so much, I would do the walk right through the mall. And they just like, you have to stop. - You got to stop. - Got to stop. - That Jim Carrey's not going anywhere. - I would get this out of our household. - I would wear a robe and mix white milk with chocolate milk and wear like sunglasses like yours and go to Walgreens with my mom. And just 'cause I love the Big Lebowski so much. - Sean just helped me install a sliding glass door in our basement. Are you telling me, do you know how many times I've just been down there by myself going, "Aaah, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah." Like, come on. - That's so fast. - Oh, man. Well, let's just transition. Let's talk about UFOs. - Oh, please. - UFOs and movies. First off, what do you guys think of UFOs and/or aliens? - That's a loaded question. - I enjoy them. Any sort of content about them I'm super into and I believe in them. - Nice. - What do you think they are? - I think that it's sort of a. I like to subscribe to the thought that it's a more of a different plane or like a different universe. - Yeah, I dimension, thank you. That's kind of creeping into ours. I like to think that. - I'm kind of on board with that too. - Unseen realm. - Yeah. - What about you guys? Do you guys believe, have you ever seen one? - I've never. - I've never seen one. - No, no, I've never seen one. And I think it's on purpose 'cause it terrifies the hack out of me. I have a lot of trouble watching movies about it. - Yeah, you had a big problem with Independence Day. - Independence Day scared me. - Let's see, Close Encounters of Third Kind. - Signs? - Do not get me started on signs. - Why do you think that is? - I just, it terrifies me. - The idea of a scary race of something that is more better at things than I am and could take me on their ship and, you know. - The probes? - Yeah, those things, I don't want those. - I didn't even look at you. (laughing) - I think there is that Close Encounters of Third Kind that we watched is, and those aliens in that movie, they're the little ones, the little kids if you've seen it. - Yeah, great. - And so, yeah, and so those are equally as scary as I just watched War of the World's Tom Cruise. - Where you don't see 'em. - Yeah, it's like a big robot, an alien thing. - Yeah. - In like, both scenarios are equally scary to me because they are, it's just, it's something that is completely foreign to us, right? - Yeah. - And then you have to think about, like, 'cause they're always presented as being far more intelligent than we are. And far more long, like, it more advanced and all that. - Like AI. - Yeah, exactly, maybe they just-- - What if it's the same thing? - I also saw fire in the sky at like age eight, so. - See, that's what we haven't seen, but we've been told to watch that with Josh. - 'Cause we talked about his story on the podcast. - And he says it's the, everyone that, like, has been abducted or has those stories, they say that is the most accurate portrayal of what an alien and alien abduction looks like. - And that's why I'm so frightened, 'cause that movie is terrifying. Have you ever seen that? - Yeah, oh yeah. - Yeah, I watched it at like eight years old next to like my friend's house that wasn't at the cornfield. Like, you know, like, it just, you're not gonna go to sleep after that. - No, no, that, I watched signs in Kansas for the first time. Like, that one was pretty rough too. We always had fun running around in the cornfields. I'm like, I don't know if I like this as much. - Still then, yeah. - Right up to, right up to that point, it was really fun. - The fourth kind as well. - Yeah. - With that one. That's probably the scariest alien move I've ever seen. - It's just so intense. - Visually, it's just so, like, abrasive to your eyes, you know. - I have heard you talk a little bit about maybe aliens might be more on the demon side of things. And that's actually interesting about signs, 'cause there is an undertone, a very religious undertone in signs that would be seen that those aliens are more portrayed as demons. - Yeah, they're from hell, like legit demons, yeah. - Which, I need to look into that, 'cause I don't know much about that. - 'Cause he was a pastor and had left the faith, and so they're coming to maybe get him back in the faith kind of a thing, or the lid of water. - Well, so the lid of water, sort of thing, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - Turns out I'll water so, holy, yeah. - In that universe. - All right, perfect. - Was it, I mean, so, do you guys know much, or what do you guys know about? 'Cause I mean, didn't Trump release a bunch of the files for like Area 51 and all that stuff? - Yeah, like, was it anything? - No. - Really was nothing, and. - A lot of blurry footage. - Yeah, there's actually, there's one, like critical, I mean, like probably the most famous of that disclosure, and even the White House posted it on like their TikTok, it looked like a star UFO thing. - Mm-hmm, huh? - People analyze it and they're like, that's a flare. - It's clearly a flare. You can actually see the parachute off the flare. - Really? - In this footage. Yeah, and they like compared it to other thermal videos of flares, the exact same thing. - We can't blame Trump. - And so it's like, we said release the files, and he released the UFO files. - With the fact that that's what we wanted, right? - From the Pentagon, like they're like, this is his own Hollywood trick. - We've been researching this for years. This is in definitive evidence. Day one, so he's like, that's a flare. - Yeah. - And it's like, and so you're just like, what are they doing? And it's like, they probably have nothing, but what's, they're privy to nothing, I think. I think the people that do know something, I think are primarily private contractors inside. - It's what even like Martin in a mushroom. - Big government is under a smoke screen. - Oh yeah. - Okay, for sure. - That's what I think. But have you heard the theory that Stephen Spielberg has been privy to a vast knowledge of all this UFO stuff and abductions? - Sure makes sense. - He's obsessed with it, man. I love how he's so crazy about it. - Yeah. - Did you guys watch Disclosure Day? - I haven't. - You haven't seen any of these either? - No, I'm dying too. - Did you like it? - No, you didn't like it. - It was, I thought it terrible. - I heard Emily Blum very mixed. - It's very good in it, but that's about all. - Yeah, there's a couple of good performances in it. But besides that, I mean, plot hold disaster. - Okay. - And also, it's just like, I like, yeah, like, why did we, how did like, how did any of that writing get through? - Yeah. - It's the cheesiest writing in the world, man. - And it definitely feels like a Gen X or like just, like, or like a boomer's just like, oh yeah, Steven Spielberg's added again, man. This is perfect. It's like, because everyone that I saw that, like, watched this, like, this is terrible. Steven Spielberg completely missed, but I'm like, I don't know. - Is it one of those things, like, it's the subject matter we talk about? So to you guys, it was like, - Possibly, what should it be? - That's a good question. - Oh, I did. I saw, I saw somebody kind of breaking down one of these scenes in Disclosure Day. - The running scene? - Is it the running scene? - Yeah. - When he's hiding? - Yeah. - Yeah, he's hiding in an open field behind a fence that's got lots of holes in it. - Government officials. - And that are meant for this. - Government professionally trained. - Highly trained. - This way. - Yeah. - Oh, we heard a car start. Don't worry about it. - No one would be coming from that way. Ain't no way. - But it's a sick one or dude. - Yeah, dude. - It's so good. - Yeah, it's wild. And also, I don't know if there's, I can't think of one Steven Spielberg movie where I'm like, loved it. I can't, I guess I had to look at his list and I'm like, I don't know. - Isn't that interesting? - Yeah. - Like he is prolific, right? He's done, he is a master of the craft. But then like now, it's like, he can just kind of do anything and we're just supposed to love it 'cause it's him. - Yeah. - You know. - What a place to be in light. - I know, right? - Absolutely. - Do you want to enter the conversation though about a Spielberg movie that's a perfect 10? As far as what we've covered? - Yes. - Jaws is a perfect 10. - Oh, Jaws is, I think Jaws is the greatest movie I've ever made. - I've actually never seen it. - I've never seen it. - We talk about all the time, it's not my favorite movie, but I do think it's the greatest movie I've ever made. It's just, it's everything. It's comedy, it's excitement. It's, you know, you got some violence in there. It's just such a perfect, perfect movie. But, you know, I mean, no blaspheme by this, but Spielberg is my Jesus Christ. - Thank you. I mean, Jurassic Park, saving Private Ryan, was that one that was encounters first movies? Was Jaws? Jaws was probably his first. It's a second or third. It was like his second, but it was his first major. Yeah. There was dual and then dual is a great one. I think it's like box car, maybe or something like that, but then Jaws, yeah. What have you not seen Jaws then? Neither have you. I've seen Jaws. Yeah. Okay. We talk a lot. Who's who plays Quint? That's a boy. I can't remember the name. It's one of the greatest monologues of all time when they're sitting on that boat and he tells the story of the USS Indianapolis. How the boat went in the water and sharks ate almost everybody that was in the water. It's one of the greatest monologues in cinema history. It's supposed to be a drunk, like the actor's supposed to be just a total drunk. He wanted to play the role drunk in real life and he couldn't nail it. They spent the whole day doing this and they're like, it's not working for you, he goes, let me sober up. I will be back tomorrow morning and he won, take it. He just like, wow. It's one of the greatest monologues in history. Yeah. That's cool. And that's a scary story. You probably talked about that before. No. USS Indianapolis. Oh, man. No. I don't think so. It was like a real warship that it went over to, it was involved in Pearl Harbor, right? I think it was, USS Indianapolis, I think delivered the atomic bomb that was going to go to Nagasaki. Yep. And on their way back, they crashed in the middle of the ocean and sunk and they were in the water for like three days and sharks were just systematically picking apart people. Just in front of them. 100 men went in. Only 30 came out. 100 men went in, only 30 came out. I didn't know that was a true story. Yeah. I think it's a pretty true story. Yeah. Wow. That dude being in the water and watching people being a knowing that your next is just probably the worst. Just kind of make who's the worst thing who's got the longest legs. Yeah. I don't want to watch that at all. I serve. And so like I walk. Luckily, they don't show it. He's just telling the story in Josh. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I don't want to think about it. Nope. Nope. But isn't there a, isn't there a, don't they say there's a theory at least that the the sea, the ocean, the waters are like less explored than actual outer space. Oh, by huge percent. Isn't that like, that's, that's actual fact. I mean, obviously the space is infinite. Right. And, but, but the fact that we just stopped like making this like a huge goal of humanity. Let's figure out what's on the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. What's interesting is I'm pretty sure NASA, it really started off as sea, like exploring the sea. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's just go out there. We should know. Yeah. Guys, we should go in there. They saw the aliens that are under the water and they go, we're going to not do that. I mean, maybe let's try to find a place to live. Oh, yeah. Maybe they should get off the planet. Maybe no water. We can't get out of the water. Stay away from water. How much farther can we get away from there? And let's go there. Yeah. But, but their whole thing is like, we get it. We know what's down there. It's a lot of just sand. It's a lot of just bottom. And it's like, Oh, that's, I mean, that's not good enough for me. I mean, we're finding new species. We've got a lot of things that have been, you know, like wrecked and like fallen down. It's like, it seems strange. Also the center of the earth is still just a theory. Oh, yeah. So it's like, do we really know what's down there? Yeah. I mean, we've, there's been people that have found huge cages, like football, field size cages down there in the water. Okay. And it's like, we don't need to, like, we don't need to. Move on. Let's get in a rocket, actually, let's build a rocket going to space. We circled all the way back because it's like, it's as alien as actual aliens, you know, like the species they have not even seen yet that we haven't even seen yet. Yeah. And like, why do octopuses look like they do? They can change colors and textures and all this. That's right. That's the most alien thing in the world with intelligence, with incredible intelligence. Yeah. The most sort of, like emotionally, like, what was the, what was the chef? We talked about it, like, a couple of podcasts ago. Oh, Elm with a pen thing. Yeah. He refuses to eat octopus now because that's right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They, it recognized him. It reached for his pen after like years of. Oh, okay. It's octopus. He was like, what the freak? Yeah. It was a documentary, right? It was like my octopus teacher. Okay. Yeah. That, that, that, that, that was it. But he's got a different, yeah. Yeah. He's just a chef who, like, had an encounter with one and like, took his pen out played with it or something. And then he saw it years later and it reached it and pulled his pen. Nope. Yeah. They think they remember. Yeah. Oh, so there's like that, like, I mean, like the gorilla with, uh, Rob Williams, like, how it literally, yeah, worried when they found out Rob Williams had passed away, like, literally, like, signed that he was sad. He was like, crying. And it's like, mm-hmm. How smart are these freaking animals, dude? Yeah. It's scary. And it's like, where does that, like, and we talk about artificial intelligence. We talk about this alien intelligence. It's all intertwined. Sam Altman's right. Maybe everything is conscious. I think Sam. Sam I am. We should just have. Am I Sam? Sam I am. Oh, that's Sam I am. But it was, oh, that was another, they called it Am I. Sorry. Totally certainly went back. They called it Am I because the artificial intelligence that he was questioning just kept on saying, I am, I am. Which if you go back to scripture, that's a very significant statement. When Moses is going to the burning bush and the bush is not being consumed, it was the presence of God on this bush, Moses basically asks, who are you? And God says, I am who I am. Uh-oh. Which means you're the creator. Yeah. And Jesus references that as well. And it's a statement of supremacy. Ooh. Whoa. So. It's very scary. Let's end it there. Um. I love hanging out with you guys. This is so great. Can we just say that AI now stands for animal intelligence from here on out, guys? Let's do that. I think that sounds good. Come on. Let's do that. Um, you guys down for a Patreon episode. Let's do it. All right. Let's talk about movies that traumatize us as a joke. Oh, boy. Let's do it. Perfect. Perfect. Let's get a little toaster. Get ready. All right. Let's talk about Stanley Kubrick and how he did not, uh, uh, and how that was that not an accident. And, um, so we've got a lot of things together. I'm so, I don't know about this. I'm. Oh, perfect. Yeah. There's a lot of, there's a lot of mystery to that. Um, but we don't need to subscribe to your Patreon. Yes. Yes. Looks like you're going to have to find out Sean's reaction in the Patreon. My guess. Patreon.com/injesabotiflies or YouTube members. Yes. So in there, um, guys, plug where they, they can find you. Watch you. Listen to you. Confused breakfast. Maybe your favorite movie podcast. Check us out on YouTube. Spotify Apple music. Instagram. Take it off. Just celebrated 500 episodes. 500 videos. Six years of episodes. Yeah. Thank you. You guys have had amazing guests. A lot of actors and stuff with a lot of media. It's super cool. Yeah. I like classic movies and you like more of a comedy tinge to it. Where you're talking. It's the podcast. When you go to the theater with your buddies and you come out the movie and you're still in the parking lot talking for the movie circle, that's, that's us. Yeah. Love it. Very fun. Awesome. Thank you guys so much for coming on. 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