211 - Bigfoot Is the LEAST Scary Thing Hiding in the Woods

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This podcast is brought to you in power by Sunday Cool. Watch this. Or listen. I'm not going to be completely honest guys, we almost canceled this podcast because of Dolly. Okay. Dolly's passing. And I feel like you guys would have understood. We completely understand. Yeah. I mean, as long as we get it, we'll have a moment of silence for it. Yeah. And Tim Curry. That was a rough one too. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bad day. We got headphones if you want headphones. If not, you don't have to wear them. I don't mind. You got a face shield? Yeah. I'm going to mask up. It's the man of a thousand nicknames and I've given him most. Where are some of your favorites? I probably shouldn't say. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Big fizzy started and it kind of stuck. Big fizzy? Big fizzy because he loves like fizzy water. Oh. Yes. I mean, when I say water. The fancy boy water, huh? Yeah. Like St. Pierre over here. It's like, yeah. It's like water next to TV static and he like orders it online. He used to come into the studio all the time with like a different water every time. I'm like, and then we started a lot of review like Dave Portner does. One sip with those rules. That's right. So then I started calling him big fizzy and then we started calling those little boy little fizzy. And then it just, yeah, it's, but yeah, he's just a man of a thousand nicknames. It's a good rap name. Big fizzy. Yeah. Little little fizzy. Little fizzy. P.H.I. ZZY. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Hey guys. Colin Kim. Here with expanded perspectives in the building. It's been a long time coming. We got, we met you almost two years ago, right? Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That was the time that we met Bigfoot around the campfire with Joe Manamale. Mm hmm. It was an epic night. Epic night. I took a picture with Tim Albrino and he had no idea or what it stuck up to him. That was exactly like I was talking to him. We were like, is that Tim Albrino? Oh my goodness. Yeah, I didn't know who he was either when we met him that night. That first day in the green room. Mm hmm. I was like, who's the Indiana Jones guy? You know, like, I had no idea. And then it was like six months later, I was doing some research on a story about the Peru Face Peelers. Oh, yeah. And I read his name. And I'm like, holy cow, that's the guy. I wish, like, so many questions I would have had if I knew that. I know. I was asleep in the green room while he was, while he was sitting there. I was legit, he was like, out. And he's, I'm like, oh, hey, man, he can't help me. I guess I should hung out with him. Timothy Albrino. I'm glad. That was all he was on Rogan, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, he's a really cool guy. Because that's when we started talking about the giants and stuff. Because that's kind of how me and Nate Henry became friends, as we both had a big love for the giant stories. Because I remember when I first read about those, I was like, dude, what? Yeah. I just thought that was a story from the Bible. I had no idea that all over they'd been finding these things for a very long time. I know. And you start researching it and you start looking at it. And you start getting into the, they have copper crowns they've found. Yeah. And they've even found a skull with horns on it. No way. Yeah. It's called the satyr of Pennsylvania or something. You could probably pull it up. Yeah, I'm gonna need a photo of that. Yeah. I'll show you a picture. Oh my. Interesting. Yeah. You start looking into it. And they're like all the mounds and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. The mounds is crazy. The quote that he put on Rogan was that the Abraham Lincoln quote. Yeah. And he was talking about Niagara Falls and the mounds of which the giants would stand. Or they're now buried in the mounds. Yeah. And it's like, what do you mean by that? Yeah. And Jamie on Joe Rogan's like, he's probably talking about the, the, the, what are they called? The like mammoths and stuff. Yeah. It's just like Jamie, stop it. Jamie, she's a hater. Jamie, I love you. It's stop. Come on, Jamie. Yeah. And they find them all over the New England and stuff. What was it called? The satyr. I think it's called the satyr of Pennsylvania or the satire. I don't know how you spell it, but. I don't know how to spell any of the words. Is it S-A-Y-T? I don't, just look for a, just look for a skull with horns on it. Everybody's spelling right now needs to stop. You see how I accidentally got that conversation real quick, right? I knew my limit. I mean, I aren't saying a word. We're like, yeah, we know what you're talking about. It was cool about the word. I don't even know how to spell that. You could spell that. And those giants and some of those mounds, they'll find a giant, but they'll have like two or three normal sized human with them. So it's like, but if you think about it, if you're like, you had a party, then you had the leader. Of course, the giant would be the king, you know? Yeah. That's just why I don't think that was right. And we're not talking ridiculous. We're not talking like 15 footers or something. Yeah, but like 10 feet, 9 feet. That's ridiculous enough. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you'd necessarily be the leader. I mean, I just saw Elf, buddy, the Elf was the tallest guy in North Pole. Does it say when that was nowhere near being the leader? Dude, that's it. I believe it was in Pennsylvania. That was found in the, like they dug that up. I think so. Oh my gosh. That's terrifying. Imagine finding the army's doing that. And I think there's more than one that found. Now it could be just a deformity, but I don't know. Yeah. Well, either way, that deformity is terrifying. It's insane deformity. Listen, we want to be inclusive. We love everybody, but hard to miss. Hey, I like your hair. Yeah, it says that they're horned human skulls or from seven foot tall skeletons. But there's like a ton of people debate the legitimacy of it. But in the 1880s is when they were pulled up in sayer. Sayer. Pennsylvania dang. This thing does not cut the S's. Yeah, that sucks. Dude, thank you. This is our sound board that we use for when we have more than four people. Oh, yeah. And then we don't like it. We've got to get a new one. Well, this is the best one for multiple people as far as we last time we moved. I literally probably two weeks really. Yeah, because I'm so sick of this. There's got to be a way. I've watched it a podcast the other day that had like 12 people on. I'm like, there's got it. They got those big old boards. Yeah. Sound engineer behind the thing. We just got Andrew. Not saying that's bad. Careful. Just saying that that was bad would be his full time job is learning a sound board. Yeah, we have a sound board guy. That's all he turns on. I actually have the skill. I just refused. Yeah, I don't want everyone to bet that. Oh, my goodness. I'm glad you guys are here. Dude, we're pumped. Yeah, we've had a great time. We're going to dig into some fun stuff today. Yeah, hopefully we get some unsettling stories. Yeah, we're going to rank fast food restaurants. Oh, we're going to go over. Favorite tea time. Tea time. Yeah, we're going to. There's a hundred. Coles cash. Coles cash. Big time. We're going to get ready for black Friday sales. Yep. So there actually has to be a comparison that's our. That's our content. That's so. It's so boring. There is definitely is a cold cash conspiracy. Yeah. And if there is it we're making one up because it sounds too good. Dude. Well, it's not you made up a conspiracy. It did come out to be true. Yeah, do you ever hear about that? No, I had. I had a. This. I plan a big conspiracy about how pandas are spies. Because there's. Well, there's these. Uh, people. There's these bears that look like humans were inside of them. And then I was like, I made it up like it's connected to pan express. The people that own pan express that came in Burbank. And then, you know, China leases us. The pandas. Right. We don't own. Yeah, I've heard that. We pay them to keep them here. I'm like, we're paying for spies to be in this country. And I connect all these dots and it's like whatever. Two weeks later, China revokes this like 40 years of diplomacy. And they say, we're taking our pandas back. And I'm like, we're on to them. They, we call them. Yeah. Look, we saw their cards. They're pulling back. So. Andy, the moon has figured us out. You're on a list. We had no idea it was this part. No. Um, speaking of Chinese people. Yeah. What's that? Do you guys want to song? Yeah. In Chinese accents. Absolutely. I'm down. What do I even need? Well, the one he's on. And we had. Yeah. Shushy. Kung Fu theater playing. This is all we got. I love it. We got it. Put the vibe. It's all to make Andrew feel comfortable. Yeah. Like he's at home. We did Ancestry. I am Chinese. One percent. That's enough. That's all we need. Got that con in you. Mm-hmm. Right? It gives us the pass. Yep. Well, wait a minute. All right. Let's see if we can do this. genre. What genre would you guys want? Oh, man. I don't know. We'll leave it up to the maestros. Come on. You could just. We can. Check some out there. Well, text makes. Text makes. Text makes. That's gotta be a genre, right? Text makes. Yes. I know it was genre of food, but. Yeah. I've never heard the music. Yeah. Like, Marty Robbins kind of. The text is tornadoes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You start looking at Doug Somme and a bunch of his stuff, yeah. Okay. Well, I guess have you heard that guy on TikTok? He's from Mexico. But he sings a song. I don't. Dude, he's so good. I would say that's text makes. Kind of, yeah. I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. Like a country where he's. Voice is insane. - Is he Mexican? I thought he was part native. - No, he's Mexican. He moved to the United States like five years ago or something. And he sings like. - It's crazy. - A country angel. - Oh man, that's incredible. Anyways. - Do you know who they're talking about? I don't either. - What's this guy's name? - I don't know. - After the song, I'll look him up 'cause he sings a version of "Hurt" by Johnny Cash. - Oh yeah, yeah. - It's good. - All right. - All right. See what we got. (gentle guitar music) One evening as the sun went down, I went off walking. I looked up then, I saw a creature that was talking, come and take my hand, let's go away, let's go bathing that fountain. So I went with him to go first, and with Bigfoot in the mountain, with Bigfoot in the mountain, it's a life that feels all right, where we both sleep inside bushes, and he tucks me in at night, where our bellies are always full, and all we do is play, where the tall ones creep while the campers sleep, and steal all the jerky at the hikers' keep, with Bigfoot in the mountains. With Bigfoot in the mountains, you never pay for rent, all the raccoons taste like bacon, and there's no need for a tent, 'cause the hikers, they are scared of you, and they leave you alone. Oh, I love it here, where my friends are dear, 'cause I'm never sad, don't shed a tear, with Bigfoot in the mountains. So I'm gonna stay, have fun and play, with Bigfoot in the mountains. - That was fantastic. - On core. - Thank you. - Thanks, guys. - That was great. - That was great. - You guys should put out an album for real. - We've talked about it. - Let's just talk about it. - There needs to be a Christmas album. - Yeah, like, remember the old commercials back in the day when it was like, "Your favorite love songs?" - They taught you how to love. - Michael W. Smith with Jingle Bell Rock. - Yeah, you guys should do that, that'd be good. - 80s power ballads. - His name is Fabrizio. - Kiss with the little drummer boy. Kiss the little drummer boy, yeah. - We thought about putting out a calendar one, remember we were then dressed up in different outfits, different poses. - Just do all kinds of crazy calendar stuff. - Good times. - The guy's name is Fabrizio. - Fabrizio. - Music. - Instagram. - Check him out. - Fabrizio. - Maybe he's Italian. - Maybe. - Fabrizio. - Hey, it's your laugh. Tell it every moment. (laughing) - Oh my gosh, I'm gonna be sick. - Don't be sick. - He's curfewing tiny soda pants. - By the way, every time we throw something in the trash can, you need to add a glass. - Classic. - A glass sound. - Every time Lily throws, like this. - Cats. - Are you okay, Josh? - No, I'm not. - Okay, listen. - Oh no. - No one knows that you drop something water on your laptop this morning. - It's not about that. - It just doesn't know. They're not judging. - It's not about that Andy. - But what is it about, man? What are you upset about? - We can't do it. - Don't. - I don't want it. - They're friends of mine. - I know. I like you guys. I like Kyle, I can't. I really do. But we gotta do this. - Let's just get out of the way. - Yeah, he's ripping off like a band-aid, man. But guys each week, we have to ask a question. We don't want to do this. We hate doing this. - Yeah, obviously. - But it's not for us, it's for you guys. 'Cause we care about you. And you guys really want our opinion. - They need it. They don't just want it, they need it. - They need it. - People's lives are at stake. Kyle and Ken, people are at stake. - Let's just get on with it. - Just spit it out, man. - Yeah, again, this is a yes or no question. - What is it? - Don't rush him. - You can't rush me on this, man. - It's driving me crazy. What is it? - My palms are literally sweating. I'm freaking out. - Are your knees weak? Are your arms heavy? - Stop, that doesn't make sense. - It'll be okay, just-- - This is a yes or no question. You can't elaborate on it. We don't make the rules. Today's question is sent in by a viewer. Should we expand on perspectives? - Yes. - Yes. - Oh my God. - Guys, I'm gonna put on my laptop. - Today of all days. I'm sorry. Get it expanded. Put an expander. - You know when this video's coming out? - I didn't know you were recording. - We are. Today, obviously, when this comes out, today that we were never supposed to forget, apparently someone did. 911. And if we're going to expand on perspectives, what about the perspective of Osama bin Laden? Should we expand on that? Should you guys expand on that? 'Cause he thought he was in the right. - Yeah, let's-- You know what Kamikawa's saying? They're like, "Oh, it's here his side first." - Yeah, let's-- - Let's not rush to conclusions, guys. - I hope the troops win, both sides. - Yeah. - I support all the troops fought from Texas. - They'd be patriots. - That's what I thought. That's what I thought. - That's why we brought him here. - Oh my gosh, I feel sick. - Don't. - I feel sick. - On today of all days. - I'm gonna never forget this day for the wrong reasons now. - Never forget, never forget when Kyle and Cam came on to get some better flights. And they wanted to hear Osama bin Laden's side of the story. - Yeah, but I'm still waiting to hear his side. So if he can tell me-- - He just admitted he's looking. - Yeah, this is-- - Osama bin Laden, Tom's talking to you, what do I do? - Bye. - Yeah, I can hear you. - Well, thank you, no-- - No, thank you. - No, thank you, Mr. Bin Laden. (crashing) - No, turn to your first. - I don't know what to-- I don't even know-- - Never forget these guys. Welcome to the show. (crashing) - Can I save you, Chuck? - I'm in. - What the fuck? (crashing) - Oh my gosh, I'm in trouble! - I said empty your mind. - You were! - Watch the Lord! - Poppin' jaws out there! (crashing) - Thanks, Ultra! - What are you picking up the knife for? - I just-- - No joke. - Just protection. - Just, I feel like-- - From who? - I felt-- - From Hooper? - I just felt a lot of energy. Look. (crashing) - Andrew, you have one job at a top of your 1,000 other job at one job. - Yeah, one job and I've failed at it every freaking week. - He's got a piece of garlic on the end of his sticky hits that with-- (laughing) - Oh, all right, now the show's started. - Here we go, baby. - Here we go. I am so scared because when I started talking to these homies about coming on the show, they were like, we're gonna make going into the woods at night terrifying for you. - Literally said that. - I'm already afraid of the woods at night time, so yeah, why not add to that fear? - So, yeah. - You guys came out, just came out with a book, too. - Yes, sir. - "Glimmerman". - The glitter-- - This is a glitter man. - It's a romance novel, right? - Yep, it is. - Yep, it is. - Two young couples. - Fan fiction. - It's a vampire, right? 'Cause he glimmers in the sun. - Well, that's what it's about. - Sparkles, yes. - Sparkles, okay, God. - This is what I am in the light. (laughing) - No, so when did this come out? - February? - February? - Okay, cool. - So people can get it anywhere. - Yeah, Amazon anywhere. - Cool, perfect. - We're actually writing a book called "The Glitter Man". It's about Andy when he goes clubbing on Friday nights. - Yeah. - Nice. - Covered himself in glitter. (laughing) - It's a mystery thriller. - Like gold dust, remember the wrestler, gold dust? - Yeah. - Oh, yeah. - That's it. - Yep. - That is a real good twist at the end. - Yeah, yeah. - Shout out to you. - A lot of people see it coming. - No, but this is rad. - I stole one of the stories out of it. The fact that you had-- - You didn't steal it. - Well, I did. We charged for Patreon and we sold your story on Patreon. - We got a check for you. - Yeah, 520. - But no, the fact that you had a freaking encounter? - I get a cap. - Oh, was it a glimmer, man? - No, with the-- - Oh, the orb? - Yeah, absolutely. - What the heck? - Okay, so that's the only paranormal thing that's ever happened to me. I was hunting with my father, uncle, my cousin, and one of his buddies. This was back in the 90s. And it's a couple hours north of where I live. And there was this plateau. It was on a couple of hundred acres. And back then, my dad would walk me to the deer stand, drop me off. And then he'd say, "I'll pick you up when the sun comes up or when the sun goes down. I'll pick up." So I was out there one evening and the sun was going down. It wasn't all the way down, but it was getting close to that. And it was this big open pasture. And I had my rifle. I was hunting with a Remington 270 at the time. And I saw something glowing, like moving through these mesquite thickets. And I couldn't figure out, I'm like, what am I looking at? Is that like a kite? Is that like a mylar balloon? Like, what is that? So I kept seeing it and it was a green glowing orb about the size of a basketball. And I pulled my scope up to take a better look. And it wasn't crystal clear. It looked blurry, but glowing, green, clearly glowing. And the thing that was odd about it is it was moving against the wind. So the wind was coming from my left to right and it moved from my right to my left. I watched it and it went behind some esquite trees, some cedar breaks, and then I lost sight of it. It wasn't making any noise. It was completely silent. I was like, man, I don't know what that is. It's kind of freaked out about it. But I didn't want to be judged by the other hunters 'cause as a young man, you know, you don't want to be thrown from the group. So I just kept my mouth shut and I was like, I don't know what that was. was I'm not saying nothing, if I come back to deer camp, they're all gonna make fun of me and they'll probably throw me off the place. You know, you're trying to be tough as a kid with one of the most men. I didn't say anything about it, but then it was like, so there was like eight different deer stands on this property. And as a group of hunters, we would rotate, so I'm going to this stand one day. Well, I'm going to try this one tomorrow. So we would rotate one. This was a couple weeks later. One of the other hunters was hunting in the stand where I had that observation. I was hunting in a different stand. When we got done hunting that night, he come running back to camp and he was freaked out. And everybody's like, what's going on? Like, what's wrong? And he was like, man, you're not gonna believe it. I saw this green glowing orb moving across the pasture. And when I heard that, I went white because I'm like, well, you are, but yeah, well, wider than white. I was like Hooper's t-shirt white. Yeah. And I like, I was freaked out. And I was like, dude, I saw it too. And they're like, well, what do you tell me? And I was like, I saw the same thing weeks ago. And I just never said nothing about it. So we're all kind of freaked out about it. Well, it turns out one of the guys talked to the landowner. And up on that plateau, he said he believes it was a Native American burial ground. Yeah. No, thank you. And so now I'm after hearing that. I mean, I'm 100% convinced that what we saw was some kind of spirit or nature spirit or soul or something. So you all as podcasts, you get people that send in stories of crazy, yes, hunters and all that stuff. Wasn't how it started though. Okay. So like it's been an evolution. Like we've been doing the podcast for 13 years. Wow. So when we first started. So I worked for myself. I'm in my car all day long. Can't work for the local municipality. And he was in his car all day long. And you know, you get tired of listening to the radio. It's the same 20 songs on a loop. And so he started, you know, you try to listen to sports radio. And it's just people arguing about the local teams. And it just got real old back then podcasts were kind of a new thing. Yeah. What year is this? Well, we started a podcast in 2013, but like the origin story of the podcast was probably like 2010. Oh, wow. That's a lot. Yeah. So I remember one day we were talking because we always called each other on the phone. We've been best friends since the sixth grade. And because we're bored listening to the rate, we would just call that so for like three hours a day. Cool. Just talk about everything. And one day he was like, man, do you know what a podcast is? And I was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. And this was back in the day where you'd have to go on like iTunes and like find it. And you would download it back then. My iPod was like, it looked like a big lighter. It was not of an screen on it. It just had like a dial with a shuffle. Yeah. And so he started downloading stuff. And then we would, okay, download this episode and listen to it. And then call me back. Tell me what you think. Cool. There was only a handful of paranormal shows back. Then they were, you know, they weren't very good. The audio wasn't any good. Wasn't the technology. And then so we started doing it. And then we did that for about a year and a half, two years. And I remember one time we were sitting at his house around a bonfire. And we were like, man, do you think we could do something like that? I was like, I don't know. I don't even know how you do it. So we started looking into how you did it. And I remember back then, I'd go into like a tar center and try to buy a microphone. And they'd be like, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, I need a microphone. It's like, we would say podcast. They didn't know. So we said, like internet radio is what way we would describe it. And then we just slowly started acquiring the equipment. And it wasn't like it is today, but there was no books really telling you how to do it. So I would watch YouTube, try to figure it out. And so we started off doing mostly interviews. And we were doing stuff like ancient history. Okay. You know, like how alternative history, like, you know, like what you were taught is not really the way it was. That's how we got into the giants and the Nephilim and all that stuff. And over time, because of the, it was growing in the fan base, we started getting emails and people started sharing their story. So when we would tell a story about a Sasquatch, somebody would send in their story, I had one too. And that just kept building. And so stories just started piling in and it just snowballed. And now it's formed it. And now basically all our show is is telling stories that people send us. And that's how the Glimmer Man started. Cool. So the first time we ever heard the original Glimmer Man story, it was like, what the heck is that? And the people don't know what the Glimmer Man is. It's basically people see, have you ever seen the movie The Predator with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Oh, yeah. So you know when the alien cloaks itself, that's what the Glimmer Man is. No one's saying it's an extra treasure, but people turns out have seen what looks like a translucent humanoid in the woods. And when we got the first story, we're like, well, that's wild. Told it on the air. Next day, five people emailed then, dude, I saw the same thing, but never said nothing about it. That's thought it was crazy. And then every time we would tell those stories, other people would send in there. So expanded perspectives is kind of like a safe place that you can tell your stories. We're not going to judge you. Yeah. Because we don't have any idea what you saw. We don't have any answers. Yeah. So we just collect them. And then it turned out to be had like a hundred and so stories were like, no one's written a book on this phenomenon. Cool. So why don't we just compile it and release it? Well, what is the Glimmer Man do? Like, is it just people see or is it? Oh, you're here. I guess. What do you sound like? My name is Pam. And I just tag along. Basically, the Glimmer Man seems to be a watcher. Whoa. Okay. There doesn't seem to be any interaction. If in all the book, there's a few that take place inside of like homes, people wake up and actually have them in their house. But that's very few. Most of them are seen in the outdoors, whether it's even in town or in the woods. But they're the only type of interaction that they seem to have is just like tagging along, watching, watching from a distance. Is this like all over? Or is it like, it's primary spot in the United States? It's all over the world. We get them from different places, bunch of different countries in there. We get them from it's not as much. But of course, you don't really know what's coming in. But yeah, it seems to be these people, whatever they're doing, just notice something that's out of the ordinary and they start looking at it and then they can see it move. And then you realize that you're like, that is a humanoid shape that looks like it's made of cellophane, right? Because the way it's, yeah. And they talk about it, it distorts just like in the movie The Predator, the whole thing that you can tell. And they also, what's wild is you get different sizes. Like you would think, okay, they're all this big, no, we've had them from four foot up to six, seven foot. So there's a variance of size and shape, but they all hold true to the humanoid form. Do people ever communicate with them or interact with them? And like, or is it something that's just ominous? It's just ominous. It's just, it's like they're just keeping tabs on people. It's observing and it almost, a lot of people describe this when they notice it, it notices that you notice it and then it usually leaves. Oh, no. Yeah. So I wonder what the, yeah, do you guys talk ever talk about like, like what? Maybe those people had in common that saw? Like, because well, it's hard to, I mean, you get so many stories. Yeah. I will say this. And we were talking about this several times when we brought it up this morning. There are, there's two triggers of all stories that you can kind of, that's wild, that tie together. People walk in their dogs. You're going to see a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff and people smoking cigarettes at night. Interesting. So that's a common denominator. Yeah, it's weird. Like there are so many stories of people. And I don't know if it's the fact that that really means anything or if it's the fact that it's, they're just, they're calm. They're in the moment. You're just kind of there. Sure. Yeah. You're taking time because you talk about people go outside, smoking at night, notice things in the sky fly by. They notice things around them because they're not, they don't have all. They're not like over thinking anything. They're just like in the moment. They're just there. Yeah. That's funny. Cause outside, I didn't see a glimmer, me and I saw a glimmer plane or craft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was when me and my wife were walking our dog. We looked up and there's this giant V just flying over us. And it was like translucent. Yeah. And it was just like kind of like that distorted looking thing. And we're like, what the heck is that? Right. So there's people don't know what it is. They always don't know like what is it? Well, there's, I mean, there's a lot of theories. Some people think it is an extra terrestrial that's camouflaging itself and walking amongst us, looking around. Some people think it's demonic. Other people think it's a time traveler. Like if you could go back in time and walk around the streets of Egypt, but you would be completely camouflaged. What kind of sounds like, um, like interstellar that scene where they're going through the wormhole. Yeah. And there's that it looks like the predator, where it's like something is moving the space around it, something like invisible. But it was him from the future in that like Tesseract, yeah, Ford dimensional thing. Right. And there's a reach out towards. Yeah. Yeah. And there's people that think it's like some kind of US military secret camouflage that they're testing. And I'm like, but you really wouldn't want to walk in someone's house and test it because if it went wrong, you would know that they have that technology, right? Yeah. We get shot. That's an easy way to get shot. I shot the forever man. And then some people that think it's even loved ones that are coming back and visiting. Yeah. Some people think it's got your guardian angel. Yeah. There's a lot of theories. Nobody knows because it never harms anybody. They just see it. And like most people have only had the sighting one time. There's not like repeat occurrences of it. And like I said, when it notices you see it, then it quickly walks away or retreats or disappears. Has there been tracks or anything like that? No. I mean, I will tell you a strange thing that people report is some say they're like, okay, we saw it jump like from tree to tree and the tree moves. Like you can see the limbs move when it hits. So you can see it. And then others say we watched it jump hit and it the tree didn't react. You can see this thing jump into it, jump into it. So like one is physically interacting with what we're in. And one just seems to be able to do whatever it feels like crouching tiger hidden drag. And like there's like physically that branch shouldn't be able to support the weight of whatever that is. But yet it is. And these happen all over. We've got from every state. We've got them from other countries. I mean, I'll give you one off the top of my head. There was a young college girl. She was going to the University of Florida in Gainesville and Go Gators. She was living in a dorm and stuff, so she didn't have much money and she had a dog but she said one of the things she liked to do because it was free was she liked to walk a dog in this particular park. She was out there as a typical day, walk in the dog just like normal. And then she said all of a sudden the dog started noticing something and was like becoming concerned about something in the tree and she looked up there briefly. I was like, what are you looking at? I don't see anything. But the dog was persistent and just was like transfixed on what's going on in this tree. And so she just was like looking and studying the branches and all of a sudden she saw it and she said it looked like a man that was completely translucent. Like the invisible man, but you can see him. You can see his like rough outline. Yeah. When she said it was peering around and going around in the branches and then it was like peaking behind the tree, like watching them and she's like, man, what is that? And she said she watched it for a few minutes and then it just kind of retreated and that was it. And she had no idea what that was. Kind of put it away, never talked about it and then she heard a story that we were told on the show. And she's like, man, I thought I was crazy, but I saw the same thing. Wow. And that's what most of the stories are like. So it's a really strange phenomenon. We don't know what it is. I mean, some people think it's just ghosts. Yeah. What was the connection someone who worked on the film? Predator. Remind me of that because that tripped me out. This is the best. Okay. So when we started getting all these stories and collected them and we'd read them and try to wonder like, what the heck is going on? So I started doing some research on who created the special effect for the cloaked predator in the movie The Predator. So I looked up in the guy that was responsible for that. His name was Joel Heineck. And I'm like, Heineck. What have I heard that name before? That's a weird name. There was a UFO researcher back in the 60s. His name was Jay Allen Heineck. And he was hired by the government to look into UFO stories. And he was originally a skeptic. He had, he thought it was crazy. It was nonsense. But over the years, after interviewing thousands of people, he slowly became convinced that the UFO phenomenon was in fact real. So I always wonder, did his dad tell Joel something, the dinner table, that he later created? So was the father's son? Yeah, was his son? No way. That is crazy. That's a fun conversation. I don't know that that happened, but I mean, I've always wanted to. No, but how that's too connected to not be the case. Hired by the government to study UFOs. Doesn't believe in him. And then literally invents what it looks like for an extrovert. It had never been done before. You think about all the movies, they'd never done that before. Yeah. And he comes out and drops it. Gee. That's a fun connection. Pretty well. That's very fun. That's a good intuition. Just like, I'm just going to look into that. Yeah. And then the name Heineck is so rare that I'm like, well, that's weird. That's a good honey. Yeah. I do love that speaker predator that what's that one new one on Hulu that came out a couple years ago? Oh, pray. Pray. That was so great. But it's like that whole cloaking stuff. It just gives you the creeps when you watch that, man. And it's just, I mean, I can't imagine coming in contact with something like that. And knowing that there's another being that doesn't want to be seen and you then recognizing you. Yeah. You're seeing them. And vice versa. That whole interaction right there. Well, that's probably the scariest thing I've heard in a while. Like that whole premise is terrifying. It makes me think of that the glimmer man could possibly be fey. There's a lot of a fey encounters. Fey or fairy. Okay. Nomes, trolls, things like that. People see. It's the same kind of thing. People will see a gnome or something. And then it's like, uh-oh, the gnome. Why can you see me? Like it, it, it startles the fake creature because you're not supposed to be able to see it. But you clearly can. And then it escapes. So I'm wanting you to glimmer man. Another type of fey. I don't know. Did you get your stories of the fey stuff all the time? I love those stories. I would like to hear some. Yeah. What's your favorite fey story? Well, there's. They're endless. Well, my favorite of always like little people. Yeah. You see the little people of the woods. I tell them the little hunters. Oh, man. This is good. This one. This could go. Yeah. Yeah, do it. So I've got a friend of mine. And I haven't talked him in a while. But we're still friends. He's a little older than I am. I've hunted on this place with him years back. He was hunting on a place in South West Texas. Deep. It's called ozone. But I'm ozone and senor and all that. And it looks just like he would. If you ever seen no country for old men. That's what it looks like. Okay. Cool. He was down there. And what's funny is like this had been happening. And I didn't know anything about it. And it wasn't until his wife was like you should tell him. Because of the. He'd known about the podcast and all this. And when I say we're friends, we're friends. I'm not super close. But we've hunted together and all this. He goes on to start telling me a story. He's like, okay, he starts laying out. I believe the first interaction he had had was during spring turkey season down there. And it's just mosquitos and rock and just draws. It looks just like it does. It's just rough country. He was where he was hunting was like loose sand. He was moving into where he knew there was a water trough. So a lot of times down there in that in that country. There's not a lot of water. Right. So they will dig water troughs. They may even have them like sometimes they'll have windmills. Sometimes it will just be. It'll just come up out of like a well system and have a float to keep it going. And they run sheep out there because there's not enough grass or not enough browns for cattle. So they'll run a lot of sheep out there. So they have to keep this water going. So the water troughs are naturally only this tall. Right. They're only six inches above the ground basically. They don't get a lot of rain out there. You don't have to worry about all that. So they keep it going. All the wildlife comes because it might be a 15 or 20 foot long water trough that's six inches out of the ground. And they swarm it. So you know everything is going to be there. So you always go by there and check to see. So he's hunting around there. There goes up to this spot. He's looking in the sand around this whole deal. And he notices tracks that he said look like children or child's footprints about this big. Oh wow. So nowhere a child would be. I mean this is in the middle of, I think it's like 6,000 acres in the middle of all this. Like there's Texas desert. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's always a big saying, big thorns, big horns, right. If it's rough, rugged, terrible place, that's where the game's going to be. He said he didn't know what to do at first. He's kind of freaked out about the whole deal. So he starts following these tracks. He was like, first of all, how do baby get out of here? Like what's a toddler doing in the middle of this? Yeah. His brain wasn't in the encrypted world. Not at all. And it never is. That's the thing. It never is with this dude. So he tracks it. He can't find it. It gets into some of the grass there by this creek and it's a dry creek. Because he was worried that the child could be in danger or something. Yeah. Like well if the kid found this water, like what did he get? You never know. Was it illegal? Did one of them get separated? Like what is going on? Yeah. Got to figure it out. So he goes to does all the tracking, loses it. As it gets down by this creek, that's it. That was the story. He's like, hey, that was weird. Then he said that things started going missing around their camp. Like the top off of like a like a spray bottle like say WD 40 or something, just a plastic lid gone. And he was like, that's weird. And it was all in this one building they kept their corn in and all their tools in. He talked about a socket going missing. He was like, little things just silly things but missing. And he'd ask the guys were like, no, I didn't use it. And he was like, well, somebody took it. Didn't think anything of it. Fast forward. Like, it's like a year or so after this had gone down. Maybe two. And nothing else had happened. He's hunting on his, he's bow hunting. He's in the far back of the property upon a big flat ridge. Okay. And he said the back of it falls off to a valley in the neighbor's property. So he's, it's probably 809 hundred foot decline down into this big valley. He can look off and see the other side behind him. And then he turns and he's hunting this big mosquito flat. Right. And he's just watching all of this out here. He said, for some reason, he's sitting there. It's cold, you know. He's sitting there and he starts, I think I'll look behind me. So he turns around. He's looking back there and he sees something moving. And he was like, wow, looks, does that have a Lena? Like, what is that moving up this hill? So he gets his glass and he starts glass it. And he said, at first, he was like, well, that's a big raccoon. And then he starts looking, he's like, oh, there's three of them. Well, then he really, it dawns on him. What he's looking at is three people. He said they probably couldn't be more than maybe 18 to 20 inches tall. What the heck? And he said they look like little cavemen, like little, they have furs on, like stout. Yeah. Like little hunt, look like little, I guess you could say, you know, Iceland, look a little cavemen. But they're all been shrunk down. They're all completely proportionate. I mean, it's not like, it fits like tiny people. They're wearing all their furs. They actually have, like little, he can see little bags of something. One of them is like, it's got a walking stick. And they go up and over this ridge. And he's probably 800 yards from him as he's glass. And he's like, what is that? Yeah. You know, and he could tell and he's like, I could see stuff on him. But I didn't. So he didn't say anything about it. He was like, I don't know what this, this makes no sense. No big deal. No chance, they're kids. No chance. Yeah. No chance there. Because that's the first thing you think is what. Yeah, for sure. That's the kids. Again, fast forward. Another, I think it was another year or so. He's out there. Again, after this, nothing. Nothing else happened. Nothing was missing. It was just like, that's well. Another spring turkey season. He's back over by that water trough area in that creek bottom. And it's a dry creek bottom. It's full of sand. Grass everywhere and all this. He starts making his way down there. He's tracking. He's calling turkey. He can hear him. Here's the Tom Goblin, the Tom's moving. He's like, I'm gonna cut him off. I'm gonna get in this creek bottom and run down through that sand. He can't hear me, he can't see me. I'm gonna get way around in front of him. He said, so he's moving pretty quick, he's bow hunting. So he's got his bow, he's fully camoed out, everything. He's moving along. And he said, he turns a corner. And when he turns a corner, he said less than 20 yards from him, about halfway up the bank. Like it knobbed like a little walk for whatever the sheep came down. So it's like a little trail going up back to the top. He said, I turn the corner and I come eye contact face to face with what looked like two Native Americans from way back in the day, standing there. And he said, but they're 18 inches tall. He said, one of them has got a rabbit tied up on him like it's carrying a cotton tail rabbit that looks like he's carrying a deer on his back. They have what looked like little weapons, little bags, little pouches. He said, the thing that floored me the most was like that lid, what looked like the lid that had gone missing is hanging off one of them's hip, tied on like they don't know if they use it for a cup. He doesn't know what is going on when he sees all this. He said, I freeze and we're just making eye contact like we're doing right now. And he said, I'm less than 20 yards from him, right? - Oh, look at these things. And they're looking at me and he said, something happened and dude, he's not like an emotional guy. He just, he's one of the most cool guys, right? He just doesn't, he said something happened to where I felt this was a gift instantly. He said, I felt the piece. I didn't feel anything crazy. I didn't freak out. He said, I just looked at him and they just froze and looked at me and he said, we stood there. I don't know how long, just staring at each other. And he said, they could see me and he said, I just nodded and turned and just kept going. And he said, they both watched me go and then they just kept going. And he said, I never felt peace like that, maybe in my whole life of just being in their presence and then left. And so I'd gone on to ask him other questions and he was like, that's it. And it's been years since he's seen. He goes, nothing went missing after that. And I've not seen any sign. And he said, I'm afraid they're gone. That they, we ran into each other and they just moved to wherever they were going. But yeah, he had three different little things like that happen out there. Oh my God. You're just seeing that. Dude, that would be crazy. Yeah, right. How do you see that? Yeah, I think the last time it happened to him something. I think that was like 2014 or 2016 was when all that went down. 18 inches tall. Yeah, he said they weren't more than like this big, maybe not two foot, but yeah. He said, and they look like bigger versions of ending in the cupboard. Yeah. It kind of sounds like it could be your dad. I mean, same genetic. It's all out there, yeah, yeah, exactly. So when we heard that story, you thought, man, that's wild. So we started looking into it. And there's actually Native American tales of that being a thing. And like they kind of know about it. And it's even more so like in South America, are you familiar with do Wendy's? No, I know Wendy's. No, yeah, you do. We can tell. Easy. Yeah, so like in Brazil, do Wendy's, that's what they call these little "failite creatures." And over there, it's widely accepted. And we got a story after we told that one of the horse that there was guys doing some land surveying. I think it was Arizona. New Mexico. New Mexico. And they had some Brazilian guys working for them. And they were working out there in the pasture. And they-- what they thought were raccoons turns out it was those little guys with like pelt's on. And the Brazilian guys were freaking out. And they were screaming, "Do Wendy." And they ran down the hill, and they quit the job. Whoa. And they went home again. They had walked back in a ranch doing seismic survey. That's what it was, seismic. Up in this ranch. And they said they noticed the guy that it's in his story was running the crew. And he said, "We noticed they was like carvings in the rock wall up there, you know, it's like old petroglyphs." He said, "Man, I didn't have any idea that this was out here." And he said, "Then they noticed what looked like sod homes, but they were little." He's like something to make in a maybe like a coyote den. But it's like some may put a little extra work on that one, you know, and kind of laughing. And he walked right up on it. He said, "I thought I walked up under raccoons." And when he said, "Walked up," he said, "I was 10 foot from him when I walked around this trail." Dude, we just cruise it and he goes, "All of them, look up at me." And he said, "They're very brown. They're dark haired. They're wearing raccoons' skins, the whole thing." And he said, "They, he just took off." And you know, the whole deal. But yeah, he said, the residents, they wouldn't have no part of it. That they went up there and they've been talking about something up there this whole time. Well, it's interesting that we have seismic. Like if they were, if there is stuff coming from underground, like they were literally blasting down. Is that the theory, maybe, that they dwell on a ground? No, if you think of something that had the intelligence of a human being that was well versed in the outdoors, but is 18 inches tall, good luck seeing it. Yeah, sure. I mean, it could literally be hiding in your backyard right now, you'd have no idea. Don't say that. No idea. Looking in your window while you're trying to sleep, are you talking to your children? And it's just something about the one with the dried in house and the chalk line. Oh, yeah, another one down there in Southwest Texas. Dude was basically remodeling an old barn to make it like a house, doing some work in there, and doing all this. And it left his tools in a five-gallon bucket out. And this is, again, South Texas. Sonora, Ozone, down in Southwest Texas. He said, he gets up the next morning. They're starting early because it's hot, right? So they're getting started before daylight to try to get everything set up. He said, I come into that house. And he said, I walk in. And at first, he said, I hear stuff scrambling around. I think the raccoons are in here. They make their way out where the windows open, boom, boom, boom. They flyin' out. He goes, my tools are scattered all out. He's like, what are the coons doing just dragin' tools out of a bucket? And his chalk line's missing. So he's like, why would you need a chalk line? Yeah. So he goes looking at, as sun starts coming up, he can see part of the line in the grass. Then he notices, again, three or four of these things, these little dwindies or whatnot out there, watchin' and one of 'em's got it. And he takes off with it. He was like, I watched four, what looked like tiny, like ancient Native Americans running around outside that house and run off with his chalk line. Wow. Yeah. And he was like, and again, he never saw him again. It was like, the one deal, they have this interaction. It's like, they're smart enough to know, I can't go back there. Do the Native Americans do they interpret them as like a supernatural thing or just like another race? It seems to be more like another, kind of both. Yeah. But it's almost like they are the keeper of the woods, the way they look at big foot, the way they look at all this is they know, they call 'em puck wudgy, as you go up in the North like it's a puck wudgy dwindie, they know these things are there. And see, in Western society, we don't really talk about it that much, but if you go to places like Scandinavia, it's all what's well understood about the little people. Yeah, they'll move roads around rocks and mountains and all that, not to disturb the faith. If they know that's there, they're gonna build their road around it. 'Cause they're like, you don't, you don't wanna disturb 'em, because they are trickster spirits in general in the faith. 'Cause they'll always tell you, don't accept food, don't accept anything from them. But the weirdest part to me of the whole thing is, when you get to people, it's talking to people that have experienced psychedelics, where they start talking about these small machine elves or whatnot, they all report the same thing. They all see the exact same thing and they all talk about these little people basically reacting to them like, oh, oh he can see us in that. Like we got ya. - Interesting. - So it's like you get to peer through the veil for a little bit and then that's it. And we've had stories, we had a woman write us in that she was like 12 or 13 with this happened with her and her sister, down by a river they were playing. It was here in the state somewhere and she said they started hearing like laughter, they thought, but it was like very subdued, like very quiet volume laughter. She makes her way around there and there's like three, if you could think of garden gnomes that are maybe not even a foot tall and as I take this punch to this microphone, they are fighting to get something like a little jar out of the mud on like the bank of a river and they see her and she's like, they are dressed exactly like red caps, like brown, everything, right? Yeah, and they're like, ooh, and they get it all out and take off and they-- - Get her. - Yeah, exactly. The girl screaming run off and she's like, they went back, there's little tiny footprints, there was little hand prints on stuff, like it is, you've seen a raccoon track. You can tell the difference between a raccoon track and an infant's hand print. And that's what they were saying is like, those are human hands, they're just like this big. - What in the world, man? - I don't even know what to think of that. Like when you think of, we see these aliens or the hat man, we're like, okay, that's demonic. Like when you run into things like this, like what are you? - A little native image. - As a Christian, what are you supposed to think of this? - Yeah, it seems like they're harmless, but-- - And yeah, yeah, it's seen. - I mean, the garden gnome, everybody knows what that looks like and those images are what they look like is because these have been seen for a long time. It's just over here we don't really talk about it in the other parts of the world. It's widely accepted that that's just a thing. - That is interesting, 'cause we've talked about before, like, sightings of like giants and stuff like that. Like that's such a common narrative throughout the whole world. - Yeah. - And apparently, so are these little people. - Yeah, and they people talk about doing things. Like if you want your garden to grow good, like offer gifts to the fay. If you offer little bits of alcohol or tobacco or stuff like that, like all of a sudden, you'll notice that like all their pests in your garden will go away and it's like, it's weird. - It's weird. - I'm just gonna put some like fireball whiskey a little bit more bottles of like other garden bed. - They take thimbles. - I handle. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah. - And they do like liquor for whatever reason, right? That is so funny, but it is interesting like how Especially America, we really like to characterize all of these real things that, you know, people that was very real to a lot of people like we look at witches, you know, how they, it's comical now, you know, like we make them in movies and we draw cartoons of 'em, gnomes or host, like it's "travelosity." Exactly. That's what they've got. Like all these things, but-- Yeah, you wonder if it is on purpose, though. You know, like, 'cause it, I mean, I don't know, I mean, even the fact that, like, this is probably a dumb theory, but like the idea of, like, you know, how sometimes they coin phrases, so whenever you look it up, it, you know, like the whole Disney frozen, when you look it up, you're like, "Oh, you're gonna get the frozen movie, not Walt Disney was frozen." Yeah. Stuff like that, but, like, I mean, the whole push with, you know, like little people. Little people like-- I mean, when you search little people now, you're not gonna find anything on these stories. You're gonna, you know, I mean, yeah, but it's just interesting. How we-- America's really chosen to pick out certain mythical creatures or actual stuff from our ancient societies and just missed it to make it funny or, you know, like, oh, it's just-- We dismiss it. And for whatever reason, we dismiss natives, like, their traditions and stuff, we're like, "Oh, that's not real, because they're Native American," or, "Oh, they're not-- they haven't really seen a dinosaur in the Congo, because they're natives. They don't know what they're talking about." Just crazy. They're like, "Why dismiss it?" Yeah. 'Cause they were here first. They're the locals. They don't think it's insane when you talk about it. Oh, yeah. Just like, if you go to, like, an old Native American grandmother, they'll be like, "Oh, yeah, skin walkers. That's a real thing." Yeah, when they go. They would know. Those are real. Yeah. And they deeply believe in it. Yeah. Not that-- they burn sages. They do things to not have them come around. The totem poles? I mean, like, all that, dude, it is so weird, man. They bring Tolkien back up. I mean, he literally wrote a book about little people living in mounds in the ground. Yeah. And all his other stuff is super watcher, Anokian, where Anokian's a different word. I found that out googling. It means something else. What I've been using Anokian on this podcast is-- I mean, the Book of Enoch. Like the Book of Enoch. Yeah. That's me trying to sound smart and having it totally wrong. So some-- Anokian. Anokian. There we go. Yeah. Which the Book of Enoch is wild, man, if you read that thing. Oh, yeah. Dude, if you guys got some stories that tie in the Book of Enoch, I'm freaking be down to here. But I got a pee right now. Okay. We guys are in here first. We're going to be back with a lot more spooky stories. Well, how do I say it? Watch his head. 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No, so you have to reapply and reapply and they're like, no, I'm like, okay. That's insane. Do what? I'm air dropping you something. Okay. Don't take it. It's a photograph. He took it this morning. This is called the fairy census. We already got a fairy in this room. Our little fairy boy, fly away, glitterman, set over there with a big red cap. Our little fairy boy, dense fairy boy. You feel good about yourself, Josh? Yeah. No wonder you're not verified. Tell you to start being nice to your co-host. You will remain unverified. And put that in a router. Is it recording? Yeah. Yeah. We're good. Never mind. We'll discuss this later. All right. Ferry's watchers. What's the creepiest story that has come across that can be, I guess, multiple people have seen it? Or, I guess, yeah, because I like it when there are stories where there's multiple people at CX, to me, it gives more validation to it, I guess. Or what's just the creepiest story that's you guys have come across? I don't like to try to lump them into where you have to validate it by the number of people spotted. Okay. Because, and the reason I say it is simply because of this, you could have something happen to you, whether it be spiritual. Yeah. Prove it. Yeah, yeah. So everybody else was sitting around you, they didn't experience proof it. Yeah. It doesn't work like that, right? There's one off that we just can't explain. And that's what makes this whole subject matter so infuriating to people that want to dig in and get to the answer. You're never going to get to the answer, right? Just like we, we don't know. We have no idea. There, I guess it's as far as creepiness, though, and really unsettling, it would be whatever you personally find, unsettling. I will tell you this. There's a lot of things. Oh, the majority of my life, it's usually has to do with some sort of form of skin walker when to go or like those crawlers, when you start getting into those three things of people because they are the most unnatural thing you're going to come across. And when you start reading about pale crawlers or the watchers, some California where they start talking about up in the mountains, that all look kind of the same. And then people start, I mean, they was just to report a couple of days ago as a guy was out near skin walker ranch, a trucker driving by and saw something on the side of the road. This is like two or three in the morning, saw something on the side of the road. And he's like, what is this? As he gains, gets near, it's what he said was a crawler, a pale crawler eating on the body of a coyote that had been hit and that it like sees him in the lights, grabs it and drags it off away from the road. This just went down. So it's like the crawler, so he's like, and he was talking about like hat man and all that stuff. Shadow beings are terrifying because where we're sitting right now, there's shadows everywhere you look. Right? They're all around us. They look at well at this studio. Is there shadows underneath this couch? I've experienced a shadow being once in my room. Oh, you have. Yeah. No, thank you. Share that. I mean, it was just, it was, it was probably our second year in doing this podcast. I've talked about before where I was just getting way too deep into it of just like learning about the occult and like, just kind of like, oh my gosh, like this is the creepy stuff. Like I want to get a story from this. I just started like doing more and more research and do that. Just open the floodgates for everything demonic, truly. You come in knocking. Yeah. And we joked about like my house being cursed, but it was just weird like trees were dying and like weird stuff was happening. There was again incidents with owls. I have always had a weird thing with owls. Really? Yeah. The reason I say really is there's a phenomenon we can talk to you about. Oh, please. I need validation in my owl fear. Well, it's not good. Yeah. You're seeing owls all the time. It's not necessary. It's not a good thing. I know that. I know that. Deep down. But no one believes me. I believe you. Okay. Well, the one owl thing was, we've talked about before, but we had these neighbor boys and they came over like freaked out and like, they're like, Miss Lilly, they're like, look at that owl and we have a fence right in front of our door. It's like, I don't know, 40 yards away. And there's just an owl sitting there, just like this, just staring at Lilly, just like this. And we're like, what the freak bro? Okay. Nope. But there's just weird encounters like, I was dealing with like mental stuff and like just like ultra depressed and like anxious and all that stuff. And I was just like praying one night, well, giving my daughter like a bath and I'm just like, God, please just get this out of my head, like what the, these thoughts. And then in my kids room right next to the bathroom, just all the toys on the shelf just just. No. I'm like, what the freak bro? But it was in that kind of month period to where I woke up one night, just like afraid, but I like kind of couldn't move. And just at the end of my bed was just this dark shadow thing and I just sort of praying and they just went, just out the door. I'm like, there's some things they can't find. I can't. There's some things they can't beat up. - You gotta be careful 'cause like you were saying, when you're researching and studying stuff, it's like it almost notices that you're looking into it. - It does, yeah. - And then it'll kind of mess with you. - What's this saying, and you look into the void, the void looks back. - Mm-hmm. (laughs) - That's not all right. - Yeah, and that's what it's waiting on. And it is, it truly is. If you start giving it energy. - Yeah. - Which is kind of another reason that we don't go too far down any of those paths. - Yeah. - We love sharing the stories and the fun, and we're having a great time. You veer off into it. It's crazy, it starts pulling you that way. - Yeah. - And then as it starts easing, that's what it wants. - It's kind of like the knowledge of good and evil, right? That desire. And you're just like, I need to know. I need to know what this is. And so that. - The best thing in life is we need to get to that point to where you're like, I'm okay not knowing. - Yeah. - I would just as soon go, I know it's not good, and that's good enough. - It's a good place to be. - It's just people. - Yeah. - And I'm not looking. - The shadow people, I mean like it is, it plagues people that are usually down on their luck or going through depression or something bad's happening to them and it's like it feeds off that energy. - Well you think about the interactions that people have with it. It's not physical. It's their feeding off of your emotion. That's what it's for. It's sent there to drain you. All of these shadows, sightings, that's what it all is. Everybody that talks about a sense of dread, I beat this horse to death on the show. People always are like, I had a big foot sighting and I felt dread or I had this and I felt dread. I'm like, because that's what it's doing. If it wanted to physically do something to you, we wouldn't have these stories. We would have missing person stories, but we don't. We have stories of these people that are emotionally conflicted and drained and damaged by this. Because that's its job. Its job is to show up for whoever it works for. And come in there and harass you and beat you up spiritually, emotionally, try to drag you down. That's its job. - Okay, tell me about these shadows. - Okay. - So a lot of people who are abducted by aliens claim to have a lot of encounters with the house for whatever reason. And they believe that when the extraterrestrials abduct you that they're trying to familiarize you with something that's not them and the closest thing that they can mimic is what looks like an owl. And they don't only, people don't know that till they go in and have hypnotic recession and they've turned out it's not an owl. And there's a guy that wrote a whole book on it. His name's Mike Klelland. He's got a lot of sightings in there. And people describe the same thing waking up in terror and they look out their bedroom window and there's an owl looking in or walking and they see a large owl. In fact, sometimes the owls are larger than they should be, like five foot tall owls and stuff like that. - So my mother, my whole life, my mother's obsessed with owls. She's always had them since she was a little girl. She has figurines, paintings, I mean, just everything. Always with the owls. This was probably 10 years ago, probably close to 10 years ago. My mother calls me and she was like, or it was right after we had Klelland on. It wasn't too long after we'd talked to him and my mom was like, "Hey, do you know anything about big owls?" And I'm like, "What are you talking about? You're the owl person." She's like, "Yeah, but I mean like big owls." And I'm like, "No, I have no idea what are you talking about." She goes, "Well, I forgot what she was doing out "doing something late one evening." She was working in the barn, do whatever she's messing around with. She goes to walk back to the house and she looked down the driveway down towards the mailbox, which is probably 75/80 yards from where she was at. And she says, "This is like 10/30, so it's dark. "Get the security light down there by the front gate." She was like, "What is that?" She says, "It's an owl." She goes, "I can tell instantly it's an owl." I'm like, "Oh, that's awesome." So she kind of walked towards it to get a better look. She goes, "It wouldn't until I was about halfway there. "I realized that I thought the owl was closer "because it's about four-foot tall. "Stand down there at the end of the road, "just looking at her under the lights." At this moment, she was like, "Nope." And started backing up, went back in the house. That was it. She was like, "Get in the house, I got to know that it's gone." Nothing had ever happened after that, but that was the first, and then of course we were, I'm like, "Yeah, let me let you in on the whole owl thing." Like, there's probably a good chance that you may have taken a ride in the ship. Like, there may be some things gone there, right? Just letting you know. - You still my mother. - Yeah, letting you know, like, "You had your passport." - You had mentioned, Hooper, that you saw, but looked like a translucent V-like shaped craft. - Yeah. - Have you had sightings like that your whole life? - Weirdly, with stars, there's time in high school where I was like, can't pray and to see a sign. Stars are moving, then they disappear and stuff, and then it was, what, three years ago? We were in Tennessee, sorry to everyone, 'cause I've told the story so many times, but we were at an Airbnb in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. I was sleeping in the living room 'cause all the bedrooms were taken. So I went and peed off the front porch in the middle of the night. It was like, I don't know, two or three in the morning. I'm peeing and it just felt like something was watching me. And I look up and it was just like, it looked just like a crazy bright star, right above the trees. I'm like, that's weird. And as soon as it's like, it's almost like, it noticed me looking at it, and it goes, boop, moves over there. I'm like, holy crap, and I'm peeing on my foot at this point. And it just goes, do, do, do, and then boop, shoots off. And then you have owls too. And then owls. You have missing time? Have you ever had any moments that you, oh gosh, don't, I don't know. (laughing) You ask. I don't know. Yeah, you ask. I've always, I mean, from a very young age, this is a yes. The spiritual realm has been a part of my life, and I'm not trying to say whatever, but seeing demon possessions when I was five or six, and dreaming about it before, and just crazy stuff like that. So I don't know. He's one of those. He's one of those. What is that? Well, you know, we all know. There are certain people that are attuned to certain, it's crazy, it's like vibration. Like there are, we all know somebody that you're like, "Man, I've known that guy my whole life, he has the worst luck." Like everything he does just falls apart, he makes bad choice, like the whole thing, right? There are certain people that are seemed to be more attuned to whatever it is. Always a little of the fact that we only have a very small group of senses. Yet we already know dogs can sense more in cats. So what else is around us that we are physically too dumb to be able to pick up? So some people are more attuned to those things. And some, so you may be a little more attuned to that, which is the reason it reaches out to you, the reason you feel it more emotionally, the reason it's more spiritually the way you feel it, whereas like I am a moron, and nothing like this happens to me. Like I walk through like D, D, D, D, D, D, bumping into shadow creatures. Sorry, my bad. And just moving on, like they don't even mess with it, right? Because I just, this guy's too dumb to be taken. But you, yeah, you, I mean, it, I mean, it literally may be. So every time we see now, he should just be flattered. All right. Yeah. Or start talking to him. Be like, yo, bro, what are you doing here? Like what do you bring me back? What do you, what do you, what do you watch? And I'm like, what do you, what happened here? Is he talking to that owl? He's back outside. She's out of here. I hate you. He's showing that Alice off the front. [LAUGHTER] But it was also at that on that same trip where Andy was walking in the driveway. And he heard something in the gravel running at him. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. Oh my god. Oh my god. So saying that-- Here we go. He was walking up there. I literally forgot about that. He was walking in the driveway. Your cone is white. So I was on the phone with my wife. And it was dark. Look at the look on the screen. There's only like a, like a porch light. It's only like part of the driveway. It was like lit up, but like barely. And the gravel was like straight at him. And then you say you saw like a shadow or something, right? Yeah, that, you got to get on the mic. You got to get on the mic. He don't want to. I was so scared there for a second. You just reminded me of how I felt in that moment. How did I forget about that? You described it as like, what was it? It was like a animal ran after. It was immediately after. It was heavy. It was heavy too. It was like almost as if someone was like, if you sit, like, it was because it was thick gravel. This was a nice place that just had like, it looked like gravel. It's almost as if someone had heavy boots on. And was like running their feet through the gravel, but fast towards it. And dude, it was, that's so scary. That's because you just buried that, man. It was in this for sure. Yeah. That's why I don't do your DMR. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. Yeah, they were taken. That's what I think. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of the two at that table's been above the planet. You need to look back at that episode. It's not both. Yeah. Yeah. You've had encounters too. We don't need to go back through that story. Well, yeah, but it was kind of different, not in the same realm, kind of the view of that. But yeah, I mean, there's just, it's just weird stuff, man. It's, I don't know. I don't know. You might be sensitive to it. I mean, like lots of people that have crazy sightings, they it's like a lifetime of experiences. It's like somehow they're just more perceptive to it. We have a really, really good friend that's, that's, he's that way and his, one of his kids is the same way. Really? The weirdest things in the world happen to them, like very, like, I mean, so much so the way he had a dream that his twin boys had come in and one of them had come in and talking to him when he was little and then he woke up and the boys had not done that and he had all kinds of stuff on his hands and had like, yeah, like he might have been taken and come back and he's like, I can't wash it off. they were trying to get it and then the same thing like two nights later it happened to his oldest son woke up and was like you know what is this on me there like somebody put something on me while I was asleep and like what is all this like dude I don't I don't know weird yeah you want I if you like unsettling let's go I'll give you an unsatting story this happened probably let's say mid 80s probably 85 86 when this was told to me yeah 87 at the latest so yeah I was like 11 or 12 years old my dad's to preface this my dad's an old cowboy that's what he's always been ranching rodeo and that's all he's ever done horse his cows that's what I grew up on the whole deal one of his old cowboy friends grew up in a town called coming outside of a town called Kamachi which is south of us and his granddad lived under all of them and when and of course at 12 years old I thought this this old fellow was an antique and he was probably 60 right but I'm like this guy's 118 years old right he saw the son get made so turns out and and when he ended up his name was Fritz and when Fritz passed away I think he was almost 90 at the time so he was pretty older whenever he told me the story and it was one of those things when they didn't just tell me told my dad and it was so funny how he brought up because they're not those kind of guys they're just not like that's this stuff never crosses their mind it's just nonsense right was the way it was I forgot what it led to it if we were we were at Fritz's house they'd got done or open we were all sitting around and it was people left it was just my dad and I and Fritz and his wife was in the house they were talking about something I don't remember if we'd seen a coyote running out across the place or what it was but just out of the blue Fritz is like I'll tell you a pretty crazy story that happened to me as a kid he said I had gone to stay with my grandfather and he said I was probably 10 years old so this would have been you know probably back in the 40s 30s 40s somewhere around there he said I'd gone to stay with my grandfather and his grandfather and grandmother's grandmother had passed away his granddad still lived in the house but they didn't have electricity or running water in the house right so it's just way out in the woods it's and his granddad would ride a horse into town if they needed to say he was like I would always ride horses my grandpa in the town they had talked about seeing a albino coyote like people had reported that there's a one and they had seen it around there and they'd been terrorizing some sheep for terrorizing you know cattle this whole thing so the granddad was like always carrying his rifle I just 30 30 with him they're riding well they end up seeing it one morning was there going what not so his granddad he takes a shot at and hits it the thing takes off he's like okay we're gonna get down there so they get done what they got done and they come back and he's like let's go look for it let's go see if we can find this this one it's getting towards the evening they get out and they start blood trailing this coyote and they track it and track it and track it until they get to the property of this old house that the granddad said yeah this is where the old Native American woman lives and said this woman's lived here forever you know and the granddad had new over and was like everybody stays away from her and the guy was like the granddad was like this might be some of her doing whatever this is like so it's going back to her place they track the blood back to her house and the granddad is like banging on the door nothing lets himself in and she's dead on the floor oh my god and Fritz straight up was like he's like nine or ten he was like I'm looking at this woman shot right where my granddad shot this coyote the blood trail the whole thing they ride in the town get to sheriff tell them what happened come out the sheriff goes and gets a few other guys they all come there do the whole thing and then that was all that came of it is they were like it's almost like some of them new oh my goodness so yeah so he admitted shooting he straight up said I shot a coyote my grandson was with me this they took him to the blood trail where it started this is where it was this is where we shot it there's the tracks it leads to this house and there she is dead on the floor he's like explain this to me yeah and like I'm telling you he told me this story my father and I this story just like I told it to you just plain and simple moved on and he never brought it up again he was just like yep that's what happened and then that was it so he wasn't like one of those people that loves it just no he never told stories like that at all he was an old failure he had retired from where he had worked over and the metriplex somewhere and he'd always been a failure part-time and it was full so he was a shoot horses that's all he did so like yeah this was just salt of the earth oh boy he was just like yeah I don't know what that was still to this day I have no idea what that was holy moly yeah and seeing she was Native American and they believe in like yeah the skin walkers yeah so yeah we've talked about skin walkers quite a bit on this show they're they're definitely truly one of the creepiest of things to me well and I know Andrew had talked about that thermal story yeah right we had gotten another thermal story so you want to you want to tell what Andrew would talk to better I'm sure I'm sure they all remember basically a dude saw one moving while he was hunting with thermal pigs see something leaves the tree moves back that thing comes to the tree and sniffs where he's at looks around starts coming adding call the noises he starts ripping shots at it the thing starts juking around that's a long and short of it we get another story sent to us when we were on ducks unlimited one of their people sent us one it was like his name's Greg and Greg's like I have something I have to share with you guys Greg worked on radio towers out in the middle like like out in the middle of nowhere cell phone towers right so they've got the little building in the the fence the privacy fence around it all chain linked up you know security stuff but it may be out in the middle of somebody's property in the middle of 10,000 acres they just rent this area to have this antenna so he said what was so great about his job was not only being in the outdoors but he said that he could he would ask permission if he found great places to hunt he would ask the landowner permission to hunt there he goes man nine times out of ten they're like yeah dude go ahead so Greg hunted out of a tree saddle so he would you know hang in the tree and just set there and all so it was easy to carry and he also used one like that for climbing so he was like I would bring my rifle and you could climb the radio tower he said I get up 20 30 foot hang my tree saddle then I can just brace off and shoot deer because where that tower was he said they was the road in they might be a ride of way over here it's like dude it's perfect and he would pull in and park inside the fence in area everything is used to trucks or whatever being inside there nobody thinks anything of it so he got this spot to hunt and he was pumped he said it was a great place guy said it's cool so that's what his plan is he shows up early one morning like you know an hour and a half to us for daylight he drives into this whole place gets in parks takes his time gets set up works his way up the up the the the radio tower gets everything set up got his rifle he's just hanging out and when you're up above all that even with it's dark you can start seeing stuff moving below you right because you're getting that light coming in from all above you're not so trapped with everything around you so he's watching and he said he notices two deer moving he's like oh so he gets his rifle he's got a thermal on it so he pops that thermal on he said oh there's a doe and there's another doe and this doe's limping it's like I couldn't tell if she had you know he got chased and bid or hit or whatnot but she's got a pretty bad limp said they start working their way and he's just watching minutes still you know he can't shoot it's dark so he can't do anything so he's just watching him he said movement to their left catches his attention and he said so what it is see if I remember this like if he's looking back to the road that he came in on that's his 12 o'clock these deer come out at his like three two two o'clock or so start making their way across he said is they're coming out at this point he's they're less than 200 yards from him me and watch him and he said they start kind of making their way that way real slowly he catches a glow behind him he's like oh maybe we're gonna have a buck following some like let's see what's going on he starts watching that and he said this glow follows him and then he starts noticing it's moving in a gate that's human yeah so he's like well this shouldn't be anybody out here especially in the dark there's no lights just walking around like it's no big deal he said this thing steps out from behind the tree and he can tell it's a man and it's naked so he's looking at this naked dude in the dark in the middle of the woods he said the deer get about 12 o'clock right in front of him back by the road that he says and they've kind of been angling towards him he said this thing drops down on all fours and starts moving boom boom so he's watching he's like what is going on this thing comes out till the deer see it and then the deer take off he said is the deer take off down this road running this thing starts loping and keeping up with him so it's gaining on them as it's moving across this this down this road he said the healthy one splits so it breaks off runs off to his left he said the crippled one is what it's singled out and it's chasing he said this thing obviously knows what it's what's chasing it because this deer is running full tilt in the dark into that chain link fence it hits right where he's you know looking right outside there hits it throws it back on the ground it's squall and here comes this thing and he said you can hear it moving too as it's coming it closes on the deer gets on the deer he's still got the gun he's looking at it he says some profane words to himself uh naturally what is and he's kind of whispering it to himself you know because he's looking through the scope he said no sooner than I got those words out that this thing froze and he said it just slowly turns its head and looks at me on this antenna And he said, I'm like, okay, and then he said, I hear this. What the, and he's trying to repeat what it's saying to him. And so he's like, what is happening right now? And he said, it starts out as that rough voice till it starts almost sounding like it's mimicking his voice. He said, at this point, the thing walks past the deer and just eats up onto the fence and shook right over the top of the fence and lands inside next to his truck in that enclosed area. Greg's no nonsense. He's like, all right, cowboy, pop, pop. He sends two. He ARs him in the chest, knocks it down and then head shoots him on the ground. He said, at that point, he just, you know, slings the gun and he said, I'm losing it. I'm hanging on the side of this thing and he's like, I'm trembling. I can't focus. I can't breathe. He goes, I don't even know how long I was holding my breath. He's like, I'm falling apart up here. Gets his gun up and looks, all right, everything's good. He said, I'm sitting there, I'm trying to catch my breath. Maybe 60 seconds go by, right? He's like, well, I probably ought to get down. At least I'm going to have to make a phone call. Like, I don't know what's going on. Pulls his rifle up, it ain't there. He starts swinging around. It's hanging on the side of his truck and it's limping and it's trying, of course, to get away from him, right? So it moves around to the other side. So he readjusts. He puts the gun, get swung back around and runs the rifle through the, the whole antenna so he can brace off on it. He's like, I'm hitting the head. I don't know what's going on, but I'm putting this thing down. He said, in the time that he spent bracing to get around, this thing had climbed back out of the, of the thing and was booking it. And of course he's like, you know, nothing is this thing runs off. He said, he waits for it to get daylight, climbs down. There's blood on the ground. You could see wherever all of this stuff had taken place. He gets in his truck, leaves, sells all of his stuff, never goes back in the woods. He said, I gave up hunting that day. I gave up camping that day. He said, I never go on the woods after dark. I don't do any of that stuff anymore. He said, I've just quit it all out. He goes, I don't know what that was. I have no idea. But he said, I shot it twice and there's nothing shakes that off. And this thing got up and shook it off and climbed back over an eight foot chain link fence with razor wire with the constant team wraps up on top and took off. Yeah, dude, I'm picturing that whole thing. So look up, dude. That yeah, the head till look at all the mimic and the mimic. Yeah, the voice, that's that thing, right? Yeah, well, and I had brought it up too is like you always hear them. What all the stories you hear that these crawlers and the mimics, it's helped me. Help me. Yeah, yeah. What do you think the last words they heard was God? Oh my God. Yeah, what the freak don't say that. That's the last thing they hear. You're going to be screaming help me as those things drag you down. So that's how they know to mimic it. Oh my gosh. And we get wild stories. And some of them aren't even paranormal like I was talking to you guys yesterday. We had a hunter sent in a story and he was bow hunting in central Texas. And he was up in his stand one evening when he said out of the cedar breaks. He saw a full-size Bengal tiger. What? Walk across while he was hunting and walk off into the bushes. He's in a 12 foot tripod bow hunt. He called his buddies on the cell phone and said, I'm not leaving the stand, bring the side by side to me and get me. And they looked into it and somebody had like a feline sanctuary, like a couple miles from there and it must have gotten out. Oh, full-size tiger. And he said like the only thing I can think of is how many mornings I walked in the dark to my stand. That thing was possibly there just watching you. Let's not forget tigers are bigger man killers than lions. Everybody talks about the lines of Savo. It was one single solitary female tiger killed more people into Paul. The note those two lines combined. They killed almost 500 people in like seven years or something. Those videos, those tires getting loose in those small villages. That those things are aggressive. They're angry at something. If we didn't have tigers and a spaceship landed and tigers got out, we'd try to kill every one of them. Yeah, there's like almost there are monsters. There's like almost two thousand of them in private. Ranch is just in Texas. Yeah, there's more in Texas than in the wild 2000. Yeah, you can Google it. I'm not trusting. Yeah, there's more in Texas than there is in the wilds. I got a story when I was telling that one that I need to tell. We've told it before I think I was on ducks unlimited. This one's great. This was sent into us by a young woman and something that happened to her father and the guys that they worked with. They were working somewhere and they had a corporate job pretty boring. And one of the guy's names was Roger, I believe. And he'd never been hunting his whole life. He was a city boy, but her dad and uncles and everybody always hunted. And so this Roger guy would constantly pester them like, man, I want to go hunting. You think he can take me and they're like, yeah, sure. We'll take you sometime. You know, and they just blew it off. Well, this went on for a while, a couple of years. And they were like, Roger wants to go hunting. Roger wants to go hunting. So they're like, all right, all right, Roger, we're going to go meet us here. We'll take you out to our deer camp. They take him out to the land. It's daylight. He's never fired a rifle before. So they show him how to use it so he can become proficient with the rifle. Like this is how you shoot. This is how you aim. So you work the cycle of the bolt. They get him shooting in that first. You know, he's not too good, but he practices for a couple of hours. And he's on. He's good enough to go hunting. Yeah. So they take him in the side by side and they got a box blind. And they're like, this is where you're going to hunt. All you have to do is get in there. If you see deer shoot it and we'll pick you up. And he's like, OK, so he's excited. They have an early dinner and they go to sleep. They wake up in the morning. Everybody's going to go hunt their different stands. They take Roger to the stand, get him up there. Make sure he's OK. And they're like, all right, man, we'll pick you up at like 9 a.m. Just stay here till then. He's like, OK, cool. They leave. Well, as it's going, Roger's sitting in his box blind. It's still dark. The sun hasn't come up. And he's never done this before. So he's a little excited, a little nervous. And he said that the stand would rock every few minutes. Like something's bumping or rubbing on the stand. And he's like, man, is this normal? Like, I don't know. And he's like, it keeps happening every once in a while. It's just like something shaking it. And he's like, there's a hole in the bottom corner of the box blind. Now I'm assuming that's for people a year and eight out of. Yeah, you know, because you don't want to leave the stand. So he's like, man, I wonder if I can shine my flashlight on my phone down in that hole and see what the heck's bumping or rubbing on the stand. So he's like, all right, that's what I'm going to do. He takes the rifle, sets it down in the corner, gets his cell phone out, turns the flashlight on. And he bends down and he starts trying to shine it through that hole. And up through the hole, this big, hairy hand grabs his cell phone and pulls it out. Oh my gosh. And he's like, do what? So he freaks out. He grabs the rifle and he starts shooting through the floor of the box blind. Yeah. Well, the guy said it just dropped him off. This was just like 20 minutes ago. And they're like, what the heck is Roger shooting? It's dark, the darkness, total darkness gunfight breaks out. So they're like, well, we better figure it out because this guy doesn't know what he's doing. He's clearly just shooting. So they jump on the side by side and they drive. Well, they don't even get to the stand. Rodgers running down the, the two track. And he's like, big foot stole my phone, big foot stole my phone. And he's clearly agitated. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, what are you talking about? Like, first of all, give me the gun. What are you shooting at? He's like, I shot big foot, I think. So like get, get inside my side, stay right here. We got to figure out what's going on. So they go up to the stand. Well, sure enough, there's blood everywhere. And they're like, well, he clearly shot something. They're like, yeah, you think he's crazy up into that. Yeah, yeah. So they start looking around trying to figure out what the heck he shot. And not 20 yards away. There was a dead full size gorilla gorilla silver back. Yeah. So they called the game. What? Yeah. Oh my god. What? There's they called the game warden and the game warden said, yeah, there's been an escaped gorilla five miles. We've been trying to find it for weeks for oh, I'm not expecting that. Roger's a legend. Imagine that's your first time hunting. He shot silver back. You think you could get it mounted. Oh, no, laughs asked. Yeah, he would have. Oh my god. So Roger never liked the poachers category. And that's what you get that. Well, you get him Roger never went hunting again. Yeah, he's like, clearly this isn't for me. Claire, you clearly it is though. Yeah, you got a gorilla. I go bad for a deer when it came out with a gorilla. I wonder how they eat. Oh my god. I spoke well. You have that hand. You have to have the big smoker to put one of them on there. Dude, I go back to the guys that took him. Yeah, imagine those guys. You take somebody that's never been in the woods. That's never done any of this. And you put them out to you would panic yourself. Like what is he shooting at? Why is he shooting so much? There might be cattle out here. There's like what has got him so geeked out that he can't deal with it. And then you get there and hear that story and you're like, Oh, something spooked him. Like always being silly. And then you're like, there's blood everywhere down here. Yeah. And then that's when you're like, the most. This is a problem. The emotional rollercoaster of that. Oh, and a godly man, right? Oh, that's good. I picture it because I know like all of my brother laws, the guys I hunt with would be stoked for a new guy to kill a gorilla. That's what I'm saying. You would just be like, you killed a gorilla. Talk about it. You just walk on the wall and hunting camp. Oh, I can't silver back. I can only imagine the how scared Roger was because like this is your first time hunting and you're at the dark. You got two options, man. And Ron is you got to go back to camp and cut your underwear off. Yeah, so your day is ruined after that you either live up to the legend are you quit? Oh, you're just like me. He quit. I can't deal with this. I don't want to go hunting. What's the worst? I can happen Well, what Colin I talked about is what if he didn't stop with the phone? What if he'd have grabbed him by the arm? Yeah, what if he grabbed it? You're gonna come at yeah, you're gonna come at crazy thing to me though Box points typically what like at least 10 foot off the ground. Yeah, this was probably at least maybe 15 or so Yeah, I'm so the hand. I mean that thing was climbed up and then that's what that shake through Yeah, I think of this if he'd been they said that the grill had been missing a couple weeks two or three weeks For all we know he was raised in captivity Yeah, so this gorilla is looking for any person. Yeah, that would where he was like. Oh, why you got to make it sad Well, that's what I'm I'm just saying. That's what it is He could have been hungry. He could have been thirsty or he just knows interaction with people because he's used to it I know if I get there. They're gonna feed me. I like they're gonna do something. I like this story better when I thought he was getting attacked He might have been I mean, you don't we don't know I don't speak gorilla. We don't know I mean like the story was sent to us by a listener so we don't know Yes, the other time we hear Roger go Roger Yeah, like Clayton the gorilla killer. I also loved your reaction a gorilla I was very lily of you. Yeah, I got another one if you like that's kind of similar. We're a hunting situation didn't work out Oh, yeah, my sister-in-law her brother he's a big hunter and his daughter's play softball and He was at one of his daughter softball games and one of the other girls on the team her father and brother same kind of scenario They've never been hunting and they want to so they're constantly asking him. You know, can you take us hunting? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, well he gets annoyed and finally his wife is like just take him hunting man They'll leave you alone. He's like all right. Yeah, I got some land out here Meet me here and well, I'll take you hunt so similar thing He's like well, first of all, what do you want to hunt for it's not deer season? So like you only got a couple options you can shoot pigs or you can shoot coyotes are you interested in that and the guys like sure man I just want to take my son hunting. He's never been. I've never been and we just yeah, we're fine with that He's like, okay, cool. We'll come out here. I'll bring my fox provide here. We'll call some varmits and something we'll probably show up They're always out here. So he takes them kind of shows them the same thing. They're not real familiar with firearms But he shows them how to work it and they're using a thermal scope And they're gonna sit there and try to call in coyotes or some predator bobcat whatever So he sets the fox pro out there and it's dark out and he's calling and stuff and Nothing's really coming in He's like, yeah, all right. Well, we just sometimes it takes a while. You know, this is the way it goes So they're like, you know, is this normal and he's like, well, sometimes it is and sometimes it's not so they continue to call Anyways, they sit down there for about three hours and then finally he's like, give me the give me the gun He's looking through the thermals every once and a while after they do in their calls to see and he's like, oh, oh, yep There's one coming in. I see it here. Take the gun. He gives it to the kid kids like 13 And the kid trying to find it in the thermal scope. I don't know if you ever use one of those but they're kind of hard to use It's not like a regular scope everything's off proportions and distances. Anyways, the kid ends up seeing it and the kids like When do I shoot and he's like, whenever you want to and he's like, okay, boom takes a shot and he's like, give me the gun Give me the gun. He's looking and he's like, oh, yeah, you got it. Good shot in the dad and the kid or high five. And yeah, yeah This is awesome. Good job. You know, and he's like, all right, y'all stay here. I'll go up there and get it and bring it back and they're like, okay, okay? So he walks out in the pasture and walks up on it and there it is. It's dead. Problem is it's not a coyote. It's a German shepherd. Oh, no It's got a collar on and everything. Oh, my God. That's terrible. That's somebody's pet. Oh Yeah, so the father and son quickly realized they didn't shoot a coyote. They shot someone's pet and They went from really excited to really bummed out and they's like, I don't think hunting's for us Yeah, that was it. Oh, that's brutal. So sometimes you're trying to do something nice. Yeah, take somebody introduce them to the outdoors and just terrible for that. Welcome to my game room I got a guerilla holding a German. That's my wall of shame I'd have him mounted life size. I'm look real a blind with the German shepherd leading them Oh, yeah, it's I mean, and then we get stories of like, you know, of course bigfoot. That's always one. Oh, yeah, and a lot of them are just One-offs like it just something simple happened, but then there's people that are like really truly They're affected by it. You know a guy that quit hunting. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I used to hunt with a guy that had an encounter We were up hunting. This is what this is back a long time ago We were up there for turkey season spring turkey season. Of course you nothing get dark till like nine o'clock at night So you're hunting all even We my brother-in-law and I had gotten to the lease a little late So they had already been out there hunting and this fella comes tearing back into camp We all had travel trailers up there. You know what the camp and all that he comes tearing back into camp on his full wheeler Way early really did you get anything? He's like, no, he's really not talking to anybody not saying much, right? He goes into a trailer and he comes out and he's packing all of his stuff now literally he's been there for like a day Yeah, and he's loading everything up and I don't mean like coming home I mean throwing stuff in this truck and it just he gets his full wheeler loaded up the whole thing We're like, were you going something happened? He's like, no, I gotta go. I don't want to talk about it Just kept going them. So everybody was like dude. What happened? Finally got him to tell the story is he was setting in his stand had his rifle leaned up had his binoculars out up in a In a ladder stand or in a box blind and he's glassing He was looking for pigs. He doesn't really. You know, he's maybe turkey But he's mainly just hunting pigs and he said he saw something moving. He thought it was cattle moving through the cedar trees Because that's when he noticed that this thing was sticking up above some cedar trees and It's this two arms and it's this head and it's just pushing its way through cedar trees as it's walking And he was like is that a bear what what I'm so he's watching. He's like it looks like big foot And he said he sees this thing move across go down in the bottom like it was going towards the river pop back at Probably less than 500 yards from him So he's got a perfect view as this thing is pushing its way through cedars and mosquitos walking and it walks up and over another Ridge and down to the river. He said the minute that thing got he goes first of all He never thought about grabbing the gun to talk to even take a shot at right. He's just watching it like I Can't believe this is even happening. The minute it got out of sight. He went down loaded everything up He he hunted fished his whole life Loaded all of his stuff up through all of his friends giving him a hard time the whole deal. He left that night Came had somebody else one of the other guys bring his trailer back later. He sold everything. He went hunting He quit a shame. He never went to the outdoor. He never did camp nothing He ended up passing away of cancer like seven years later. Hmm. He that He was steadfast in his decision that whole time. He never changed his story never changed anything He was like that is exactly what I saw and that is exactly what happened So just it just freaked him out that bad. He was so freaked out by that he just couldn't That's why I think it was a real thing because like he totally changed his life. Yeah everything Everything he loved he quit so like it was he making up a big-foot story It seems kind of crazy just to quit. Yeah, and not like you know He's not like he's going on local news right right like it's like never he didn't want to tell you the story never He would quit no matter what. Yeah, you knew that story or not. Yeah, and that's what a lot of sightings are or people are scared of coming forward Because they don't want to be judged right so a lot of people I don't think it's much safer now with the invention of podcasts People are more willing to share their experiences But you go back a couple generations like my grandfather who would never tell me if he saw that like that no So I used to work with a guy that was a contractor for the state that we would work together about every quarter he would come in and we would And he grew up in East Texas name was Darrell Darrell grew up out in East Texas He was a little older than I was he was talking about it was one of those things that he didn't know anything about our podcast years back We got to talking and then he brought up East Texas and I was like oh you run into the big-foot out there right at East Texas and he was like Why do you ask that you know and I'm like bro. It's East Texas. I'll just so then I told him about the podcast So he leaves and he I guess he started listening because the next quarter he had come back He's like I got some stories I need to tell you and I'm like all right. Let's hear him So he tells me where he grew up He's like we didn't have any money so we lived way out in the country in an old farmhouse and it was one of those big old creepy farmhouses And he was he stole me straight up. He goes I was an accident He was like my brothers like 12 years older than I am 14 years older than I He was like I'm a legit an accident, you know, and his family was much older So he was like I was kind of left to myself, you know and had a few friends But they were we lived miles apart. Yeah, so we would all get together the way that works He said so one day One weekend he was pumped because his brother that he was closest to he had like two older brothers and they're the oldest It's substantially older, you know But his older brother had come in from the military and was visiting and coming and he said all I wanted to do was be A military dude like my brother. I just wanted my brother was a tough guy That's what I wanted to do and I think Darryl was like nine at the time So Darryl he said, you know, we're all sitting around the table He said eating dinner and all that and kind of talking and discussing He said we'd been having trouble with something getting our chickens We weren't sure if it was foxes something coming in coyotes whatever it was was getting chickens So he said we're sitting there doing all this everything's great We start hearing the chicken start going crazy. It's dark at this point He said so my brother jumps up grabs the pistol goes out the front door He said well my brother's doing it. I'm gonna be a hero too So he jumps up and he said I go out the back door He said so I'm going to run around and he goes I don't know what I'm gonna do I'm just gonna be part of it right my brothers there. He's like right He said, "I run around the back door." He said, "I'm booking it in the dark to get around to the chicken house." And he said, "Mom, it hung a rug on the, like the clothes line." He said, "I run smack into it." Just whacked and knocks him flat of his back. He said, "It was wet and dirty and all this stuff." He's laughing about it. And he was like, "Man, my brother comes back." And he said, "I walk back in and my mom and dad are laughing." And they're like, "What happened to you?" And he was like, "Mom had that rug hanging up in there and I run into it." And she's like, "I don't have a rug." He's like, "Come on, it's just instantly." He was like, "What?" So they get up and go back out there. There ain't no rug out there. So Darryl said when he was a kid, he ran into something that was smelly, wet, dirty. And it had leaves and sticks and all this stuff. And of course, he knocked him over. And he legitimately thought he ran in to a big rug in the backyard. And he goes, "We got there in the light." And there ain't nothing out there. It's just empty backyard. So he was like, "Oh, fast forward a few more years." He's like 12 or 13. He said his friends would come over and all that. And he said there were certain times of the year in the spring. His dad wouldn't let them go out because the mountain lines were out there. You could hear them calling. And he was like, "Yeah, it's time it's spring, they're breeding." You don't need to be out there whenever these territories are overcrossing like there could be a problem. He said, "So I tell you that story." He goes to fast forward to this story. My daughter is in junior high and she has to do a report. She picks mountain lines. So I'm like, "Oh boy, I've got all kinds of stuff to tell you about them." So he starts telling her about the stuff that he'd seen and things he'd gone to and all that. And she puts together like a PowerPoint for class. She's on YouTube getting their sounds, right? So she could put them all on there. He said she's going through all that and he was like, that ain't what I heard. So he's just sitting there and he won't tell anybody. He was like, this doesn't, this something's off. He was like, "Okay." He said about three or four days later, his son's online and he's watching one of those finding big foods. And he hears those calls. Oh my gosh. And Darrell was like, again, didn't say anything. He waited and he goes to his wife after the kids go to sleep. And he said, "I need to tell you this." And he had told her all his whole life about the mountain lines and all that, but he had never listened to him. And she plays that and he was like, that's not what I heard. He goes, "This is what I heard." And he goes, "Now it makes me wonder what my dad knew." What did my dad know? Where he knew not to send us out there. Like when they're out here making that noise, because he said they would only come by, make it that noise a few weeks twice a year. That was it. And that's when his dad wouldn't let us out. And that's when his dad was like, "Y'all can't go in the woods right now. Y'all can't go out there and do any of that right now." Hey, man. Quick keeping secrets. Yeah. Let's talk more. If you accidentally shoot a coyote that turns out to be a native American woman, let's talk about that one at once. It's time in your life. Yeah, can you bring it up? Yeah. But again, that's old school dudes, right? Yeah, that's what's like. Yeah, that's crazy. That's just is what it is. Yeah. And Darrell, he had crazy, like he had a buddy of his. I've told this, one of his good friends was bass fishing. This guy taking his dad bass fishing. They're out there and he's takes us on one of the lakes, cruising around right at dark. You know, they get up right before the sun comes up. He said, "I'm in the back of the boat." Dad's on the front running. He said, "I'm back there munking around, sitting down." He said, "Dad's just casting up to the bank, dragging out across from the bank." He said, "We're probably not 20 foot, 30 foot off the bank. Just real slow working around, right? Just bitching over there to do it." He said, "I hear water splashed, boof." He said, "I look up and dad's just standing on the front of the boat looking." Just he said, "I see movement. I think we spook pigs." He said, "Now, he said at this point, something real large leans out from behind the tree to start checking out what's going on." They both see it. They're like, "What is it? Is this a bear? What is it?" The dad said, "No." Whatever that was was at the edge of the water. And when it stood up, it just kept standing up. No. He said this thing was massive. They're both looking at it. Sun's up. It's just starting to peak. It's crystal clear. He said, "We're probably not 50 foot from this thing behind the tree looking dead." And he goes, "We both didn't say anything. We're just looking at it. Dad quit fishing. We watch it." He said, "We're still just trolling by. This thing stays behind the tree the whole time." Watches him. He said, "We don't stop. We don't go." He said, "I'm watching it. It's watching me. Dad's looking at it." He said, "Dad, just goes back to fishing." He goes, "We get around the corner out of sight." Dad goes, "I think that's enough for today." And he was like, "Yeah, I think that's enough for today." And they just go back. He goes, "We didn't talk about it to our almost home." Dad's like, "Was that a bear?" He goes, "Do you think it was a bear, Dad?" He goes, "Well, I hope it was a bear." And you know what? He was like, "Nope, that was it." That was like, "God." Not saying another word about it. I said the joke when I was like, "I'm stoked they're coming on." And I was like, "It'll be funny to do this before hunting season opens." And like, I really do regret it. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's the worst part. Because we get them all the time. And like, like you're saying, when deer season comes, I'm like, "Man, why did I have to read that?" And then I got to walk out there. And I've got a recurve bow, which I'm not very good with in daylight. Yeah. I'm in the fish. And I just read some story about a big-foot. You know, Hunter. You know what I'm like? I don't want to. I don't want to do this. I'm like, "Maybe it's too cold. I've tried to talk to myself at it in the morning." And I'm like, "Nah, I think it's too cold. I'll just wait until another day." Well, you. You all know the one about the bow hunter in Arkansas? No. I don't think so. You could just assume we don't know. Okay. This is one of my favorite stories, too. A dude kayaks in bow hunting, like way back in the woods. He has to kayak in. He's up in Arkansas. This is where he's been dying to go up there. Back out here. Got his bow laying in his lap. He's 12 foot up in a ladder stand. He said, "There's enough moonlight you can see stuff through the trees moving." He was like, "All right, here we go. This is going to be pretty cool for the sun comes up." He said, "About this moment, he can hear stuff behind him." He was like, "Oh, maybe we're going to have a little action." Within a few seconds, he goes. The only thing he can think of is the reflection from the moonlight on his broad head. Because what was making this cover because he's or this shimmer, because he goes no sooner than I'm sitting there. It quietly quits down again. He said, "The hand, the size of a catcher's mitt, a hairy hand reaches up and grabs that broad head because it can see that shine." He said, "When it closes its hand on it, it starts screaming just roaring behind him and then takes off through the brush." So whatever this thing was was tall enough that it could reach up to 12 foot or so at a bow on your lap and grab the arrow without touching the ladder. And then he's like, "It's a noise of like a bull's beller. Like you hear an old bulldozer, but like 10 times louder. This roar." He said, "This thing starts making racket. He goes as soon as it's daylight enough for me to see, I'm gone." He goes, "I get down, get back in the act, dip, like I don't want no more part of this." Insane. Yeah. I'm using a freaking light this season. I went in all last season without a light. I'm getting to my freaking tree with a flashlight. Well, I used to go hunting for like weeks on it every morning after work as well in East Texas, when we lived up there and I didn't know any about any of these stories. East Texas? I don't know. I wasn't afraid at all. Well, I should have been because there could have been a gorilla. Oh, yeah. At least it my worries. Could have been a German shaper. Yeah. It was. You know what I always tell everybody, people get shocked. It's the second largest forest in the United States, only to Alaska. The green curtain in East Texas is the second largest forest in the United States. Wow. So that's how much land's there. Interesting. So you can get back in this place and there's crazy stories that come out of there. Like Bigfoot campsites where they have found campsites destroyed people missing blood and nothing else. And they're like, "What did this? Like there's been multiple stories of those stuff going down. I'll tell you my favorite story." Which one is this? You're probably getting the Gary story. Before you get in there, I've got another hunting story. I'll make it quick. It's nothing. This one's not paranormal at all. This guy was hunting. I think it was down by Colleen, Texas. There's an Air Force base or Army base. I don't remember him. Oh. Yeah, Fort Hood. Fort Hood. Yeah. He had a dearly stand there and he was up there and it was early one morning. He got in the stand early before daylight and it was dark and he was rifle hunting and he said. He was just sitting out there and there's always these helicopters flying around, I guess from the base. And he said, "One morning he was sitting out there in this black hawk helicopter was like circling around and doing weird things that he never, never usually sees." And he said, "It stopped and it started hovering." And all of a sudden he saw this green looking laser shoot at the ground and then go up. And then the helicopter left and he was like, "What the heck is that?" It's weird. He said a few minutes. He was flying that same helicopter comes, hovers, shoots that laser in the spot again and flies off. And he was like, "I don't know what they're doing." He said, "45 minutes later, the sun starts coming up." And right where that laser was shooting, there's a big buck bedded down. It stands up and he shoots it. It was looking at it with the thermals. The pilots in the helicopter were shown, they could see the hunter and they could see the deer and they were showing the hunter where it's right where it was. That's hilarious. Right. Shot a big ten point that morning. That's great. That's awesome. Thanks, guys. That is hilarious. Shoot it. Yeah. Go ahead. So this is the one that, this is probably my favorite big foot story of all time. All right. We had a guy on the show. His name is Gary Christensen and Gary was a field researcher for the BFRO. He was retired, he was a retired pilot out of the military and then he'd gone on to be a commercial pilot, retired out of that. The cool thing about Gary is he really knew nothing about big foot till way later in life, although he had some strange experiences with himself in the 50s in Oklahoma. He'd been fishing and had rocks thrown at him. And he thought it was kids messing around this whole time. He's at the middle of nowhere fishing. He had no idea until much later in life when people started talking about him. He was like, oh, that was a thing. So that's kind of what drew him to it. So Gary goes on a pheasant hut. I believe it was in South Dakota or North Dakota. One of the Dakotas, he goes up to this pheasant hut. And he's got some family that lives up there invited him up. You know, so he's hanging out with all that. Something along the lines is they find out that he's doing some BFR-O stuff and getting into that. - What is that, sorry? - The Bigfoot research, the deal, the money, yeah, the whole Bigfoot research organization. - Yeah, that was the BFR-O was the thing from finding Bigfoot that money maker had started and did all this. So Gary's like, I forgot how it ended up going, but he's talking to somebody and they're like, hey, you need to go talk to so-and-so and ask about the Bigfoot that they saw when they were kids at the school. And they were like, ooh, I do need to go talk to 'em. So Gary shows up, knocks on the door, he starts talking to the first person, he ends up talking to a lady. The lady says, yeah, we were in kindergarten. And she said, we were all out on the playground and having a great time, everything was, we were just living our best kindergarten life. And we start hearing roars and apparently, where this is also back when there was no fences around the playgrounds, right? We were just school and everybody went crazy. They was a creek that ran along the outside edge, kind of was like almost like the dividing line of you don't go past to the creek. You know, this is your playground for the school. They start hearing roaring and calling and all kinds of stuff coming from the other side of that creek. They said, out of the creek, during this roaring comes Bigfoot. This thing comes crawling up out of the creek, grabs a stump like hurls it at the kids. The teachers are running around, the kids are freaking out, cops race up, somebody called the cops, the cops race up, jump out, start whipping rounds at it with their pistols, kids are everywhere. They're in front of the, you know, boom, the kids are watching the cops shoot to Bigfoot, everything's going crazy, right? Bigfoot runs off, that was the deal. He was like, was anybody else there? Can I talk to anybody else about it? And she was like, yeah, there's like three of her friends that went to school, they're still living in this town. She gives them all this. He goes and talks to each one of them. Same story. Like they remember, he's like, you know, we don't camp, we don't do anything in the outdoors. Like these people are messed up from this stuff here. So she was like, one of the last people that he had talked to said, you know what, our teacher, she's still alive. They'll talk to her, she's here in town. So he was like, oh, it's going down now. Like I'm gonna get a different perspective of what went down. - An adult's take. - Yeah, an expanded perspective. - Exactly. - Some might say. Some might say. So he goes and he knocks on the dirty store and the woman comes out and they sit down. They start having some tea and he's, you know, talking to her, quizzing her about all this. And she was like, yeah, every bit of that happened. Every bit of it. But you need to go talk to the principal to get the full story. And he was like, yeah, and she was like, yeah, he's just right around the corner. So he's still alive. This guy was in his 80s at the time that Gary goes to speak to him. The gets there and he was like, I'm here because of this, this and this, you know, this whole story, I just told y'all and these people have sent me there. What can you tell me about it? And he was like, yeah, it was me. And he carries like, do what? He's like, I was the big foot. He goes, they don't tell you it was Halloween. He's like, we set this all up with the cops to do a thing for the kids to scare him. Yeah. And Gary goes, did you tell the children? It was a joke. And he goes, nah, I don't guess we ever did. He goes, do you realize what you did to several dozen human beings? Like the four that live in this town are terrified. It has completely changed their lives from that experience as kindergartners. This is the stuff that stuck with them. Imagine they were telling everybody they know. This is the encounter I had with Bigfoot. I watched police in my town try to kill it and it ran off. I'm not going to the woods. Like that's not happening again, ever. How many therapists you just funded? Oh, yeah, exactly. So he was like, Gary's like, have you told these? So basically Gary collects all this information and then personally goes back to each one of those kids that are adults now and says, man, yeah, because that teacher was like, yeah, it was all a thing for Halloween, but yet they failed to tell all the kids. Yeah, and the reason it's my favorite and how I talk about it all the time is it's the exact same thing with all the stories that I've just told you. It does, you don't know if it's real or fake. But the way it, what it does to you is exactly the same. You're still affected by it. So they know now for a fact it's fake, but they've been affected by it for over 40 years of their life. So they're traumatized and that's what it is. It's the way it affects you. So we have no idea. Like there's no way unless it's happened directly to you that you would know it was real. I thought you were about to say all the stories we told were fake. No, there was a man in that gorilla suit. Yeah, it was the principal. It was a little person, a little principal inside that German jet. And we finally got him through all that stuff. They finally got the principal. Amazing dude, thank you guys so much. Are you guys down to talk about a couple more creepy stories on our Patreon episode? Of course. I want to go in. We got stacks of them. He teased some DMT stories. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So now I want to dive into that a little bit. Let's do it. Yeah. Patreon.com/Dinges Our Butterflies. Yeah. Kyle Kim. Thank you guys so much for coming. Thanks, man. Thanks for having us. Go check out expanded perspectives. You guys have anything else you want to plug? The Glimmerman book, and of course we have a Patreon ourselves. Expanded perspectives. Elite on Patreon. You can follow the podcast on any pod catcher there is. We've been doing it for 13 years, so. So today was just a tip of the iceberg. Like while it's far stories, you guys. Oh, yeah. Please go check them out. Go subscribe. Go to their Patreon. By their book. That was so fun. Yeah. I'm scared a little bit. I am too. I was picking up my nails. That was crazy. I was like, consciously. I was like, oh, okay. You should see, I was literally picking up my nails off. I'm going to be thinking about the frickin' injured deer story every time I go in the woods. Oh, that was. That's what, thanks for that. I could do. You guys are great storytellers. I just want to give you that compliment. I'm picturing the whole thing every single time. You guys. The only downfall is that's what's in our minds when we walk around in the dark. Yeah. Like literally I try to convince myself, you're brave. You know what? I am strong. Am I brave? Am I? Who's saying that? Yeah. Then I hear a voice behind you. I am brave, too. You're like, well, great. Well, I guess it's both of us now. You know, I have to start a hunting YouTube channel for content, really. I just want like someone else with me. That's it. Yeah. I need a cameraman. Yeah. It's okay. Start asking your listeners to send you stories if they had any experiences. Yeah. They start rolling in for you too. I don't know that I need more of them. No. That's a good idea. Guys, do you have stories like that? Please send them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Just do some expressions. Scary. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.