207 - DALIA BURGOIN

What's happening to you beautiful weirdos? Jack Roland here and welcome to N2D. Thanks for joining me. Today I am joined by Dahlia Bergoyne. Dahlia is the co-founder of Extraordinaries and organization training in extraordinary abilities such as telekinesis, telepathy and mind sight. Mindsight is what Dahlia specializes in. The ability to see or perceive the world around us without the use of our eyes. The stretch of the material is minded, mind blowing and reality shifting if true. To the end of the episode there is a visual element in this chat. The full episode can be viewed on our YouTube channel. Alright let's get deep with Dahlia Bergoyne. Dahlia thank you so much for joining me. How are you going? I've been very good, like totally blessed and totally busy. So very good. Oh great to hear, great to hear. I've been wanting to talk to you for a while since I saw you on the Danny Jones podcast. A fantastic episode. But yeah I mean so much to talk about. I've been on quite the rabbit hole ever since. Well I don't know. I've been interested in a lot of these kinds of subjects for a long time but I think the telepathy tapes really kind of peaked my newfound curiosity as I believe it did with a lot of people. So yeah a lot to cover but I'm just trying to work out where to get started. How did you get into this unique interesting field of healing exploration? Yeah. How did it all begin? When I was a child I actually believed and I knew that when I became an adult I was going to do something in this field. I used to get a lot of visions and things like that. Even when I was three or four and I have a specific memory when I was about three or four and I was sitting in my high chair or my car seat. And I remember thinking that I am magic and when I become an adult you know using my kid words but I'm never thinking when I get big I'm going to show others that they're magic too. And I remember having those thoughts as a kid and I remember my dad giving a ride to a man and at that time I was having those thoughts and I were thinking like I wonder if I can kind of radiate enough of course I wasn't using those words. But I remember thinking I wonder if I could look like the sun enough or he can tell that there's magic basically. So I remember at that age having this foreshadowing and I had a lot of foreshadowing showing me that I was going to do stuff like this. My whole life I was into holy places and I would go to holy places by myself just as a kid just to feel the energy and I got into meditation and energy work and healing really really young like I was like teenager I was meditating like all the time. In my early 20s I went to college and I studied linguistics and teaching English as a second language and I gave up all of those spiritual stuff. It was more like I kind of just started focusing more on the material world and I remember becoming barely sad but I wasn't making the correlation. I just remember kind of feeling sad and thinking I'm very successful and you know like I'm successful with my work. I'm successful. I'm getting a lot of prestige and I just remember being very successful but I wondered why I wasn't happy and then I thought about it I said okay what is the most important thing to me? What is if I you know if I had it headed to my way what would I be doing all day long and I remember thinking well I've probably been doing meditating and spiritual stuff and praying and then I looked and I saw how much of it I was doing in my day and I was doing like nothing it was like 0% of my day was I doing any of that at the time and so I said okay I need to make it so I'm doing more of what I love in the day which is the spiritual stuff so I immediately started doing these trainings and I ended up finding this one training which I had seen visions of when I was a kid of building energy and I started to do this daily cultivation and I remember doing it because it was the person I wanted to be it was never to make money off of it it was never to show other people or teach others it was just this is what I want to be the person I want to be who does a regular routine of building energy meditating and stuff like that and within a part of that system I kind of taught myself how to wear a blindfold and perceive around me and so I was perceiving with my senses all of my senses and making the more heightened but I couldn't figure out how to see colors and shapes and read stuff like that the way the kids in Indonesia did and I remember thinking one day I'll figure it out there was this one day though I ended up having this experience where I call it like time traveling and I know that all of this sounds like it's out there but these are like side effects of doing that kind of training every day you'll have these weird experiences and one of them was I set up in my bed and I was wearing a blindfold and I knew this was not the real time I knew it wasn't really but I knew it wasn't my normal time because I didn't go to bed with a blindfold and I set up and I looked around and I noticed I could see the whole room with a blindfold and I thought oh my gosh this is now it's the time I'm supposed to focus on this this was just a couple of years ago and so I remember that very day thinking okay every time I meditate I'm gonna wear a blindfold and so I went and did a lying down meditation with my blindfold and I remember my daughter getting into the bed with me and I were thinking oh my gosh it's gonna happen now because in the vision my daughter was in bed and I had blindfold on and I said oh this is gonna happen now isn't it and so after I did my meditation I sat up and I saw the entire room and I said oh my gosh this is a this is a sign that I'm supposed to be doing this this is like this is the sign and so I I set out to look for teachers that could actually do it like you know years before like 10 years before I said I would eventually get to it and now I knew it was a time and so I started looking I ended up going to the seminar in Toronto or no it was in a gotterage Canada and and it had rock-freeman in Wendigalon and it was their second seminar and I remember on the second day they took us outside and I started to see for the first time and this was new to them this was they were brand new to doing these seminars so for me to just kind of start seeing immediately that was a big deal and but I remember at that moment knowing oh my gosh I figured it out I figured out what I was missing it was the light and what I was activating was a light sense all of the other ways I was perceiving was through these other senses like sound it's mel and energy and but this time I was activating and making the sense of light without my eyes activating the ability to be able to get information from light and so anyway after that I immediately was asked by them to demonstrate and teach others and so I immediately it was like instantaneous I became an instructor in this and I had such opportunity to teach others and like hundreds of people within just a few months I had already taught hundreds of people and I had gotten so much experience different kinds of backgrounds people that were sighted people that were blind and so I got I had a lot of experience really quickly and it all felt very aligned and so so that's kind of a gist of how it all started yeah it's pretty it's pretty wild stuff and yeah also just for the listeners I forgot to mention you co-run extra ordinaries with Alex who has been on this podcast a little while ago we covered some really wild subjects and yeah it's I mean the whole blind side thing is this it's something is that what you call it blind side yeah there's there's a lot of words for it you also hear mind-sight you'll also hear extractor vision non-local perception a lot of things yeah I mean they these are subjects that I would have been pretty close to a little while ago they're like like you mentioned you know it's it's it's pretty it's pretty out there it definitely it challenges our complete understanding of what the hell's going on if it's true but yeah so I'm also you you mentioned as you're doing your meditation you mentioned your daughter I thought I'd also just kind of introduce that there's also another incredibly fascinating aspect to your story and and that's that's your daughter can you can you give us just a little bit of an introduction a brief introduction about about about her yeah so my my daughter is leader Vina and she is 15 and we work with Dr. Diane NSE of the telepathy tapes or the first season of the type of space stop of Dr. Diane's work where she worked with children that are autistic savants and so in these children demonstrated the ability to be able to read other people's minds and to get information in ways that we normally don't get information and so these children were able to know things that were never told to them and so my daughter is a level she's she's on the spectrum level of rheatism and she's also able to read my mind or read others minds. She is able to do a lot of things like that, but she is considered a nautistic subant as well. And yeah, her mission in life and the reason we're even out there is because it's her mission to just tell everyone I tell up at these real and to show everyone I tell up at these real. And not only that it's real, but that it's an ability that we all have access to and that we're actually using a lot of the time. We're just not using it consciously. So a lot of people think that we're not using it when we are. So anyway, my daughter is out there saying, "Hey, says a real thing, take a look." And she's blowing the minds of scientists and universities and so it's been a fun journey. Even for me, who has been into consciousness my whole life, even for me, I didn't realize to let the thing was that real. I always thought to let the the was something like, "Oh, I'm reading your, you know, I'm looking at your mood and I'm kind of guessing based on what I'm seeing, based on my understanding what's going on." So I thought that's what to let the was, but to let the is so much deeper. And with her, it's like she'll know exactly the thought you're thinking, the exact words. You can think of an entire sentence and she can spell it out. You could read a book and I do this often and you can read a book and then go and discuss with her like, "Hey, what was your favorite chapter?" And she'll say her favorite chapter and why. And it'll be different than yours. It'll be something you didn't even think of. And so, yeah, it's pretty incredible how deep all of this goes. When you said level three autism, is that nonverbal? Yeah, so that's the kind of autism or it's called it's like a severe case of autism where it's difficult to speak or communicate or to control your body. And when I say it's difficult to communicate, it's even difficult to show that you understand with your emotions and your body language. And so if a person with this kind of diagnosis, if they're feeling happy, they might not actually be able to show it, might look like they're upset or it might look like they're sad. And so, it's like it doesn't show that they can even understand. So a lot of people have this misunderstanding that people on the spectrum at this level are unable to understand or that they're intellectually disabled. And in reality, they're extremely intelligent. And they're able to do a lot more than we can in a lot of ways. Yeah, I feel like in the last few years, the collective understanding of things like autism has just kind of skyrocketed. And it's just, God, it just makes you think about how people with autism who may have struggled to communicate have been treated all through the past and everything. It's horrible to think about really. I'm so glad the progress is being made. But how did you come to, when did the telepathy or the extraordinary abilities kind of start making themselves known to you with your daughter? I'm sure that was a pretty out there kind of revelation. Yeah, well, my daughter, she, she seems to have a lot of extra sensory abilities. And I remember her knowing things a lot. And I were thinking, well, I understand extra sensory hearing. I was trained in that. So she must have extra sensory hearing. So that's the ability to hear when you're outside or you're in another place, you're entirely so here a conversation. And so I figured maybe that's what she's doing because she obviously knows what we're talking about. And oftentimes she'll know something that I'm like, I must have said it out loud. You know, like I must have said it because how does she hear that? How does she know? And so I always kind of explained it away. She couldn't really communicate or express herself verbally. And so I ended up looking, I was looking forever for a way to communicate with her. And when she was 11, I came across for rapid prompting method, which is RPM. And that's the way that you communicate by spelling. And so usually the kids will start with the letter board. And then you can progress from the letter board and do other things like typing. And sometimes you're speaking. And so if you see my daughter now, a lot of the time she's actually speaking. And so a lot of people even question like, is she really like a non-speaker? And that's the other name for these kids as a non-speaker, a limited speaker. And I say, yeah, she actually had to do a lot of work to get to this point. But if we're asking her to talk and do a deep topic, she'll have to usually spell. And so anyway, when she was 11, I got her into that system. And it was just incredible to be able to communicate with her for the first time. And then, yeah, so at first, you know, she was just communicating to me through the provider, the provider, what pulled the board, and later it was spelled to me. And it just took me so long to figure out how to do it. I was just like, why is it just not working for me? And after two years, she could finally spell with me. I practiced every day for 15 minutes with her. And I just wasn't getting the hang of it. And now I'm starting to think maybe it just wasn't the right time. But so after two years, she finally could spell with me. And that's when she started to reveal about all of her abilities. And so the very first thing that she revealed, it was because I asked her if she had any other skills that we don't know about. And I asked her that because she's, you know, she's an artistic, she's super autistic and she's subordinate that as well. And I said, you know, you're really good at art. You're really good at, she has this other ability where she can hear a song and she can sing it backwards. And you know, it's something like you record and play it backwards. She can do perfectly. Even the words, you say some words, she can say it or spell it backwards. And so I said, do you have all these abilities? Is there anything else you do? And then she spells out, I can discern spirits. And I said, what do you mean by that? And then she said, like, oh, I can tell the good ones from bad ones and the different kinds there are. And it was early on. And so I didn't go too deep into it at the time because I wanted to, but because she was still learning, they said if she ever get too emotional, it would make it harder for her to communicate. So I just said, we do, we're going to come back to this. But every day she started to tell me a little bit more. And she started to tell me that she actually would go to this esoteric realm. That's what she called it back then. It's now known as the hill. The fact that she said she would go to this esoteric place and she had mentors every night and they would teach her and help her to keep it together. And she also had friends that she would see. And so the person just sounds so insane. But she also did know a lot of things. And up until then, up until she started talking about the telepathy and stuff. I remember thinking she knows so much and how does she know it. And it wasn't like, people would say she must have heard it at some point. Maybe she has a photographic memory. And I said, it doesn't make sense. When will she expose to half of the stuff she's saying? And stuff about like North Korea, she would say stuff about it. I've never exposed her to anything. She would know all of these details. And she would just know stuff about physics and stuff. And so I just didn't make any sense to me. And so yeah, she just said, yeah, she just has, she was able to read my mind. She's telepathic. And so telepathic to her is more than reading another person's mind. It also is the ability to tap into what we would call the collective, the field of thoughts. I think she calls it something like that. There's also the ability to talk to the teachers or the angels. So she sometimes calls an angel, sometimes calls them teachers. There's also what she calls e-strapers. And so there's a lot of beings that are in the room. And e-strapers are anybody that uses telepathy basically. So it doesn't have to be an angel or a guide or an entity. It could also be a person that can go out of body and and to use telepathy. So she would always say everyone is a telepath, but only a few people use are e-strapers. And so she's one of them. It doesn't mean we don't have the ability. We definitely all have the ability to e-strap. It's just that most of us don't. Did these revelations of her abilities, did they coincide with your, I guess, extra sensory abilities? I mean, yeah, there must be something in your kind of bloodline or something. If you're coincidentally having these other kind of spiritual revelations or this blind start kind of stuff is happening, what's the correlation there, do you think? Well, I felt like it was just a divine timing that it was all supposed to happen. And so it was like her telepathy. All of that happened maybe a year before the telepathy tapes came out. And I was not telling anybody about it. Every couple of, you know, every few people would notice, and then I would have her talk to their angels or something and tell them stuff and to blow their minds. But I didn't tell anybody about it. And then when I was opening up my mind, saying, "Everything, this is really similar." I don't know why, but this is related to my daughter. There's something about it that's related to her. And I just couldn't get it out of my mind, and I'm a retelling people. And that very, maybe two days later, after I kept saying that, the telepathy tapes, the first tapes came out, and we call the pre tapes. And I said, "Oh my gosh, this is exactly what I'm talking about." I said, "This is what Lidu does." And I remember trying to tell people that week. And those tapes came out. And so it got into our spelling community. And you're like, "Oh, have you heard of this?" This is insane. And a lot of people said, "Well, my cake can do this too. My cake can do this." And I said, "It's the same thing." I said, "My daughter can do this." And she has been doing this. And so Dr. Diane's team were able to reach out to me because they heard about that. And they connected me with Dr. Diane. And we started working together. And so this was about two years at the moment we first started working with her. So Lida was, yeah, she was 13 when we started working with her, she's 15 now. She's about to be 16. Happy birthday to her. Yeah, so it's wild. I remember in the telepathy tapes, Cod Dickens, I think she mentioned at one point that they believe that almost, well, I think they say all nonverbal people have these abilities. Is that your understanding? Based on what I'm seeing now, I would assume that. There's no way I tested them all or anything. But I would assume it based on what I've seen. So all the kids that are really good at spelling, the ones that are really, really good, I've noticed they usually, like when I've tried it with them to you and asked them to read my daughter something they're able to do it. And so I'm thinking that maybe all of them are, but I'm not sure. Have you, as you've been developing your abilities and things, has that kind of been in, you know, with your daughter, Lido, at all? Has she, have you, as she kind of helps guide you through it? Or I mean, if she's in, has abilities that are beyond this material realm, is there a feedback there? Most definitely. Lido has guided me a lot in the trainings. And she started from the beginning that this was all gonna lead to us training telepathy. And at first I thought, how are we gonna teach telepathy? I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to access any of that stuff consciously. And, but I am now seeing it. I'm seeing the mindset, the people who get really good at it. They're starting to develop telepathy really well. And Lido, she also is the one that guides the telepathy portion of our classes. So Alex and I do seven, sometimes three, five, seven days, seven hours, where we're teaching mind over matter, we're teaching mind-side, and we're teaching telepathy. But the telepathy portion is totally guided by needed. And so it's very interesting. A big part of the training though is, she and the teacher, so she always says you have to ask the teachers for permission to help train you telepathically and help open the channels at background. So if you don't ask the teachers, that's what she calls them. They're basically spiritual helpers. If you don't ask them, they're not going to intervene or interfere in your life. And so it's more about asking them. And when you ask them, she says, "That's the most efficient way to train is to do it telepathically and have it be done in a background." So the very first thing she'll say to the classes, if you want to have them train you telepathically to it right now, ask them. And then Lido will also be a part of that. So she also assists in training anyone that asks and she'll go to their dreams and she'll do all kinds of telepathic stuff. So that's one portion of the training. The other portion is the conscious training. And that's where Lido tells Alex and me kind of how to guide the class and what to do. Or sometimes she'll sit in the class and she'll tell them herself. She'll kind of spell out what's the next activity. And so I found that it's been really remarkable and it's been blowing my mind. It's been really. It's been really something I've been happy to integrate with. The more and more we do it, the more opens up. And it's just been getting so exciting. Where are you at with telepathy? Have you had any first-hand experiences yourself? Yeah, I'm no more near Lido's level, but. She can't. I also notice whenever someone is getting good at something they always say, "Oh, I'm not good." You know, like so almost students are really good at telepathy or mind-sight. They'll always say, "Well, I'm not good." I'm like, "You're totally good." You're totally doing a hundred. You're doing 10 out of 10, 15 out of 15. You're getting them all right. But it'll always kind of feel like you're guessing at first. So anyway, with me, I have. I'm in that same ballpark where we do can spell out a word and she'll hide it. And then I'll get the word and I'll say it. And I'll get maybe 10, 15 in a row correctly, but I'll still feel like I guess the entire time. But I'm like, "No, logically, no. I'm actually getting these." But yeah, we do trains people so you know the difference between your own thought and getting a telepathic bond. There is a big difference. And so that's the first part of the train. It's just kind of knowing the difference. And once you know the difference, there's these different ways that we practice it. Like that. We might practice it with each other. We might practice it in several ways. And then we start practicing with angels and the teachers as she calls them. So yeah, so my experience so far is it is getting stronger every day and yeah, like she can write down words and I can get them. And that's about where I get them. It's just kind of hard to train when I'm training other so much. It's hard to focus on itself. And so I'm getting, you know, every single time I see a student getting farther and farther, I feel like I've leveled up and I feel like I've, you know, it's like a big part of my training is to see other people progress. - Are there any like really wild examples that you could share that I don't know, maybe really convinced you or things that you're just like, there's no way this is 100% provable now. Or you know, just like, I don't know whether it was something you mentioned communicating through dreams or whether there's, you know, something kind of provable or just really mind blowing that really convinced you in the early days or actually just any time. - Yeah, so if we're talking about the telepathy and leave you, there's just a lot of leave you this time. There's no doubt, there's no doubt in our minds that she's doing that. But one of the earlier things when she was kind of new to it and I heard of the side games and it was just an idea that I came had and he had put it on his face with me and he said, I'm thinking about doing something called the side games where a bunch of people are going to be competing with psychic abilities and I remember thinking, that's interesting and so he had a list of people that he was thinking of bringing on his speakers. And so one of them was someone that I followed at the time Jimmy Aiken and I remember thinking, oh my gosh, he's going to be there. I want to like, I want to go just like, it's me and him and meet him. And so I remember thinking, I want to go for that and I'm thinking as a spectator. I was not at all thinking of competing and I didn't even know how came very well. I don't think we've even had a popular conversation. You think, and so I asked, I said, we'll be, we'll be. I know I don't normally ask you this kind of stuff. But can you ask the angels? I said, can you ask them if I'm supposed to be there? Am I supposed to be at the side games? Should we both go or should I just not go? What do they say? And she said, they said we're going to be there and we're going to be center stage. So she specifically said we're going to be center stage. And I said, oh, so we're going to be important then. And she goes, yes. And then she said, so just wait for an invitation. So that means like, when I saw that they were trying to sell the tickets to sell, I said, oh no, I'm supposed to wait for an invitation. That's what we said. And then about a month or two later, how came reaches out. And he invited me to go to contact in the desert, which is coming up pretty soon. But one from last year, yes, he invited me to go there and to demonstrate my sight. And I don't know if thinking, how does Huck even know I'd do with my sight? You know, I wasn't out there. And so I said, yes. And then when I went to contact, I had this incredible demonstration. And even Huck, he was a prize. I don't even know what he thought my sight was. But at the time, he was shocked. He was just like, what? And it kind of blew his mind. And so after that, Huck, he said, well, definitely. You got to be at the side games. And so I ended up getting the invite that I was talking about. And for sure, I was definitely center stage, like she said, like both of us were exactly like she said. And then, what else was it? I don't know during the side games, a friend of mine. He had driven many hours to go and see me ahead in two of the years. And I remember feeling bad, thinking, I'm not going to have time to see him. I'm just not going to have time. I have so much going on. And I remember feeling bad about it. And but I didn't say anything out loud. I wasn't saying anything. And then after the end of the side games, I don't feel a little bad. I didn't see him. And we're in a plane, leave the spell. And I said, leave it. I said, leave it. I was telling me before we take off. And then leave the spells. Because I always ask her that if she has anything around mind, that she still worry you're going to see him in the winter. And I said, oh, really? And then I said, well, no, she said, you're going to see him here in the winter. And I remember thinking, oh, that's interesting. She knew what I was thinking about. And then I remember thinking, well, I have no plans to come back here in the winter. So we'll see what she means. I know when they just does something like that to just kind of watch. And then about a week later, I was invited to come back to that area in the winter. And so I was like, OK, this is super cool. So yeah, there's just so many instances like that. I mean, even just that one. You know, talk about maybe seeing things that others can't see, but I mean that almost implies that there's a vision into the future. That's beyond mind reading or anything. If all that's kind of true, it almost suggests that things have already played out. I mean, how would someone know that you're going to see someone? Which is, yeah. Yeah, different timelines. Time is all happening at once, according to Lido. And it's more like she can just travel until it pours out somewhere. And time and space doesn't really exist. It does satisfy that everything's already written. Everything's happened. Like, does that even actually, right? She actually kind of explained the space. She explained that there are decision points. So if you think of a video game and you make decisions at video games. So all of these, you know, there'll be a point you reach in a game and there's maybe three decisions you can make. You make one. And as you're making one, that one has a story written out for that path. And then on that path, you might come into four or more decisions. And then, and so you pick one and then when you go on, that one is already kind of planned out. So no matter, it's like you have a lot of decisions, but they're all kind of already planned out too. And it wasn't planned out by some higher being or something. It was like we planned it out. And so my daughter was telling me one day when I was in all of this, I'm kind of like learning, but I remember asking her, I said, what did I do to deserve you as a daughter? And she spells out. She said, like you said, basically she was saying before we were both born. She said, you said you wanted a child that was either going to be a world teacher or disabled. She said, you wanted to experience a life like that. And then she said she decided to do both. And so, and in order to plan a life, there's just so much you have to plan. So many different people, so many events. And so, so yeah, there's like a lot of planning, but there are decision points. And so that's kind of what she says. The pre-cognition thing though, it's really, it's interesting. There's just so much that so many implications. But we were doing some testing once with Dr. Diane. And so what they had me do is they had me roll some dice and they would give me a random word. And a binder, there was like several different ways to do it, but I would get a random word. And then I would go over to Lidoo and Lidoo would have a blank piece of paper. I wasn't even next to her. She's a blank piece of paper. And she would just kind of touch it just as a proxy because she's used to touching a letter board. So she would just touch this blank piece of paper. And she would just spell out the word. And she was spell it and verbally say it to you. So it wasn't just like she was touched the paper and say the letter. And so again, let me make that a little more clear. So she literally would pick a paper and she would go like this, "Hey, what if she would just say what the word is?" And so they're watching this and it's so amazing. I'm not touching her. I'm not doing anything. They have several cameras to show that I'm not actually influencing it in any way. And so she's getting like tons back to back. She's doing really, really well. And then finally, there was one time, as I was rolling on it and I didn't even hear this. Um, legal looks directly into the camera and she goes, "It's going to be this. " And she's not even touching the paper enough that she's just speaking letters into the camera. It's going to be this. I can't remember the word, but she goes, "It's going to be N." And then N and then O. And then she says, "She's kind of like that." And then afterwards I go over to her and then I give her the paper to spell it and she spells the same exact word. And the word that I had rolled out, she said it before I rolled it out. And so, but nobody caught it until afterwards they said, "Oh my gosh, we captured pre-cognition." And so they show the video after and they said, "No of us noticed it, but as I was still rolling the dice, she looks in the camera and says what it's going to be before I went over there." So anyway, so it's just interesting. And so whenever anyone asks Lee, "How does she know like what the words are?" And she always says she sees them, like she sees the letters in the air. And it kind of correlates with what Dr. Dying said the other kids do. The other kids also kind of see it in the air as well. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty, pretty wild. It's a lot to get your head around, you know? Yeah. Let's kind of talk about the blind sight or the blind sight that you specialize in. So as you mentioned before, you can blindfold yourself, no light is getting in and effectively you can see things behind you, in front of you, above you, whatever. You've mentioned you could map out your whole bedroom and you've trained lots of people, blind people. I've listened to various podcasts, even blind people have managed to have some version of sight kind of learned. I just actually only just recently finished the final episode of the season two of the telepathy tapes, which is excellent. And in that, Kair Dickens actually got her children involved in a mind sight workshop or lesson and seemingly having results. So I mean, what are you seeing? What is happening in your mind when you're practicing this? What do you see? What is, you know, you mentioned before there's some kind of, there's two explanations that my brain kind of goes to. One would be a bit more esoteric where, like you said, you're tapping into an information field or maybe there's some kind of astral projection element to it. And the other was a seem to be a bit more scientific, well, not like the others not, you know, but where maybe something in your body is actually receiving and detecting light and that's being interpreted in your brain, that aren't your eyes. So yeah, tell us a little bit about it and what you see and how it's done. Yeah. So the way I train mind sight or extracurricular vision, non-occupular perception, all of these different words, the way I train it is by helping your senses to become stronger and more sensitive. And so I train people to learn how to see with their sense of sound or sense of smell, with a sense of taste, learning how to see with these things. So it's like a trained synesthesia. And so in the end, there's several different ways people are seeing. So one of them is called hyperfantasia. And that's where you're getting extremely vivid mental imagery in your head. And so with that one, for example, one of my blind students, they've shone. He has no eyes. And he is able to easily, he's able to see not only right in front of him, but he's also able to see in another place. If I put an object in a box, he can see that object. If I put it in a book, I've demonstrated this way before where we would put a shape inside of a book, something and he can see it. We, he's been able to read where I go into another room and put a word inside of a desk and he's able to read it. And so that is a little bit more of hyperfantasia where he is actually seeing it inside his head. But he also has elements of profantasia. And that's where you're seeing it show right in front of you, regardless of where it is. And then there, there's other forms of vision, which is one of them is like a transparent vision. And so that's when you're seeing through something. So that's kind of something that happens when you have the blindfold on and you're actually seeing through it. Or anything that's kind of covering your eyes. And so we can develop that ability to see through something. And the other thing is called the, it's like seeing edges, edge vision. I forgot what it's called, but it's when you're in complete total darkness. And you can see the outlines of everything in the room and it sounds like it's even easier to see. So that's one form. And then there is the light sense. And that's the one where it's your sensitivity and all your sensors for light. And with that one, it says if you're using your eyes, it's so what's happening is all of the information that your, your body is picking up from all these sensors is getting translated individual cortex still, even though your eyes are not being a part of it. So usually our visual cortex is getting most of its information from our eyes, but if they're covered, you can train yourself to get the information still. And you're getting it through light and you can still get it and have it be translated in visual cortex and come out like vision. And that can be done in most of the body. So anyway, that's the one that people tend to use when it comes to seeing colors and stuff. But you can see in total darkness too. You can train yourself to see colors in total darkness. It's basically building your sensitivity to even a smallest smidge of light that the eyes normally can't pick up and your body being able to become sensitive enough where you can pick all of that up. And then there is the remote scene. And so that's another thing that kind of shone demonstrates where you can see something that's not in your field of vision. So I've heard of this being used, you know, like classified places where they're taking you out and you're looking for dead bodies with that ability. And you're looking with something that's not in the room. And so it's kind of like remote viewing. I call it remote seeing because with remote viewing people are kind of describing something that they can't quite make it out usually. And there's also a lot of things that I can't really do. a lot of different systems out there unless it's this system, it's not remote viewing. So I kind of just call it remote seeing. And basically, another difference is that, let's say I have a word in another room, he'll see the exact word. So it's not guessing or anything, it's 100% off the word is. And so that one, even if I held, and I have videos of Sean doing this where if I hold a card behind my back or something, he's seeing that card. And it's not like he's seeing my organs and seeing my body, he's just seeing the card. And so there's the question of when it gets down to that point, how was he getting this information? And so a lot of people at that point would just call it consciousness and say it is, it's consciousness. And you know, but when they've looked at our brains, depending on how we're accessing this information, it's different things our brains might do. So for me, whenever I read with my regular eyes, I'm in a gamma and beta state. And you know, I'm just kind of reading normal, but when I, as soon as I put the blindfold on, even in a minute later, I'm, and I start reading, I am in a really high alpha state. And my beta is gone. Usually I'm in alpha and I'm in gamma. So it's like, gamma is kind of like your very own word. And so there's a big implication that I'm seeing external things, but it's coming from the inside, which doesn't really make sense. But it's interesting that with Sean, when he's using the light sense, so that's when he's seeing with light, again, Sean has no eyes. But when he's seeing with the light, his visual cortex is lit up. And he's usually in the delta and theta state. So it's almost like a dream like state. And again, it's implying that he's seeing from within. And so Sean, what's interesting, he's actually seeing light. He's not actually, he's not guessing. It's not like seeing. It's he's seeing like, he can tell. And if you can see light, you can see the wavelength of light and you can see details. And so that's one way he's seeing. And that's like, bleeding, lighting up his visual cortex, when light isn't all, but in piecing in another room, and he's using the remote seeing option and he's seeing in his head, then his visual cortex is not lit up. And so it's just so interesting what we're trying to figure out what's going on here. And so for me, I've seen it countless times. It's very repeatable. It's very trainable. And so for me, it's not about like, is this happening? Like to me, it's like, that's very obvious. It's happening. We've had, we've been researching this for a while. The question now is, how is it happening? And so that's basically kind of what we're doing. And so we're trying to figure it out. And it's just, it doesn't always make sense to what we think it should do. Like, for example, the light sense doesn't behave the way eyesight does. And because, for example, if someone holds something in front of you and you're using your light sense, you might not know it's in front of you might, or I'm sorry, behind you, you might think it's in front of you because you're seeing it in front, but it might be behind you, it might be above your head. Some people might think something is close when it's really far. And so that stuff doesn't actually match. And you can actually calibrate yourself. So it's very similar to normal vision. But no matter what, if you tested along with eyesight and for behavior, it's always acts a little different. So what do you see when you do this? Do you see the edges? Do you see the light sensitivity? Are you able to have any kind of remote viewing aspect to it? Is it just within proximity of you? Or are you able to hone that attention into another room? Yeah. So the one I'm the best at and the one people normally see me do is the light sense. So when I'm utilizing the light sense, it's like, it's the same as using my real eyes except better. But I can see the entire room. It's as if I have no blindfold on. That's what it looks like. So you could see distinct features of someone's face? Yeah, most definitely. And it looks like a normal vision? Yeah, it does. Unless you test it. Once you test it, it doesn't act like normal vision, but it very much looks like it. In fact, it looks so much like it that people think they are using right their vision. They think they really are using their eyes a lot, especially if their eyes are open. They'll say, oh, I must have a hole in a mask. There must be something wrong with my mask. Good. And a big part of how we train it, we train it a way where we're developing your sensitivity to the light. And so once you get sensitive enough where you can see, it happens like out of a need versus you'd consciously try to make it happen. And so it happens unconsciously all of a sudden, you see. And so when it happens, people think, oh, it must be like a hole in the mask. It must be something like that because they don't remember it. They don't remember actually opening it, doing something specifically open. Sometimes you can. I can pour some person to see doing little exercises. But it's just a lot easier to just kind of slowly build a sensitivity. And when I say slowly, I mean within an hour or so, it doesn't take very long. Some people might take a few minutes and some people might take a couple of days, but it doesn't take very long. What's the initial jump of your training someone? Because I imagine if someone's blind, for example, they're going their whole life without seeing something. So it doesn't seem like it's just a kind of accidental ability that someone might stumble across. I've heard people on podcasts, sorry, talk about it almost like a muscle, it doesn't need to be trained and built on. What's the initial phanomies like me? How would some kind of mind sites be initiated? Yeah, so going back to the blind and a lot of blind people do initially, and they're stumbling upon it and doing it. And then they're usually told, no, you really not seeing, you're really not. And they're told constantly that they're not, that it turns off. And don't forget, they'll just think, oh, they must have been imagining and their mind will come up with a story. But once they start seeing again, they'll say, you know what, I remember being able to do this before. And my parents tell me, no, it's not possible. And so a lot of it happens out of need, but one of the things for the lights and specifically, what I would say for a beginner, and this is how I began, so I'm just putting like a blindfold, and making sure it's not too tight. So that's one of the mistakes that people do is they think that any kind of light is getting in, I'm not going to be able to develop it. And they focus so much on that that once they actually start opening and their actual ability opens, they're going to misconstruine as light getting in the mask. And so it's just make sure the mask is actually kind of secure and comfortable, but it's not too tight. So that's the first thing. And just quickly on that. So I'll just, if people want to check out your Instagram, because you have, you know, obviously it's difficult to discern through a computer, when you're, you know, through, through, you know, a screen, it would be a lot easier to like test this if you're a person to person, but on your videos on Instagram, you often put on like seven different layers of blindfolds. It's like very thorough. So yeah, what's your Instagram if people wanted to check out some of your videos to see what you're doing? Yeah, so it's just like Dahlia underscore per going. And so I have actual videos of me putting on several layers or seeing behind me. And I talk about future events coming out. But, but yeah, so what I would, so yeah, the first thing, make sure the blindfold is not too tight. And then if there is like getting it, like, there really is, but people will think that there is. And I'm still test to see if you can see colors. So you're going to try to, you're going to try to do an open technique. So, you know, let's imagine an angel came down and you see this angel. So imagine what your face does and what your body does and your energy does. You're going to go, you're going to go like that. You're going to go into a state of awe. And when we're in that state, we perceive, we go beyond our normal judgments and our normal filters, our normal brain filters. And we start to actually perceive everything. And we, that's why we remember so many details of incredible events. And so, that state of awe is what you kind of want to do when you have your blindfold on. It's also an anchor that means it tells your brain, hey, when I do this, I want to see. And so, when you put on your blindfold, go into that state of all that meetings. You're going to open your eyes really wide. And you can train eyes closed. It's just a, it's a bit of a hump. There's, there's a little bit more training involved with that. Because we have a natural condition response that says, when I open my eyes, I want to see, when I close my eyes, I don't want to see. We are naturally embedded with that. So it would take a couple of tricks to get over that. So I'm saying, just kind of put on your blindfold. You're going to, and you know, the mindfulness are, they're, they're, they're really good for training. You can actually switch to any blindfold after your windows are open. These ones have been tested so much by scientists showing that there is definitely not enough light getting into for the eyes to pick up even a little bit of color. If like we've tested, you know, on Caroline Corey's superhuman movie, the first one, they tested, they said zero light was getting in. Recently, they've been some tests in, in Spain. And so when they're doing the open technique, well, that's what I call it, but when people are kind of smiling and they're open, they're noticing.002 lux of light is getting in on average sometimes. And just for information sake, that's nowhere near enough to be able to see. We need to be able to see color. We need three lux of light at the very least three lux. And even then we're not picking up all color. And so again, we've tested so many people on only 0.002 of light is getting when you're doing that open technique, not enough to see color. And so we don't want to, so just, just know like when you do like that, you're good. It doesn't matter. So anyway, you're going to put it on. You're going to do the open. You're going to open up your eyes and smile. You're going to go into that state of all try to act like you're in a place where you're looking at an angel or something or something in the state of all. And then you're going to just test yourself and see if you can see the colors or have somebody else test. Can you see the colors. And then you're going to say what you can see, maybe you can, maybe you can at all, maybe you can't see a single color. And so if you can see colors, there's a very few that are automatically kind of open. Then you ask them if they could see shapes and usually they won't be able to get to that point. And so that's the first thing is seeing where you're starting from because once you start to see people will forget where they started from. They'll come up with a story that they could have done at the whole time. So it's really important to see that so you know where you progress to. So after you see where you started from. Then I would. And then it's about getting yourself sensitive to light. And so what I would do is I would go outside. You can also use a flashlight, but I just for just for simplicity's sake. Go outside with your blindfold and look at the sun. You're going to notice all kinds of cool stuff happening. You're going to know it's quite a scope and stuff. And then hold a piece of paper up where the sun is shining on the paper against you. And you'll start to see the colors. If you're open and you're shining it, usually you need an instructor in mind need to be open or they might say smile or something like that. Struggle. Another way to train. So that's one way to train. Another way is to develop the sensitivity to the dark. And that's how I first trained. And so you would put on your blindfold. And the first thing you do is you would kind of move your hand in front of it. So our eyes can actually pick this up to not just our whole body, but our eyes have the capacity to pick up movement really well and complete darkness. And so you'll kind of focus on just seeing your hand moving. And then you can actually practice. There's a lot of progression in this, but you can practice going around in your room and tapping on objects. And then you can open and closing a door and you'll start to see it forming and eventually you can get so sensitive to this that you can walk into an entirely new room. You've never seen and you'll be able to see where the desk is and where the door is and the door knobs and you'll be able to see where all the furniture is. It's so fascinating. So that was the first way I saw and I called it dark walking and so I was able to just get around without ever having to turn on the lights pitch total darkness. To me, it's really fun. It's almost like sonar edition, but that one because sound actually affects it a lot. How much you can see. So it might even look like it's your imagination making it happen because you know where it's going to be, but eventually it becomes more than what you might be imagining. So we've got the blindfold there. Are you able to do an example for me now? I understand that we're on, you know, a Zoom call and it's we're not in the same room and you know, it's a but is that possible? I would not planning on that, but yeah, we can do that. Okay, thanks. Appreciate it. Yes. Thank you. So see which blindfold. Okay, so I can do this one. I like this one because it has a bunch of tape on it. I will talk about why I'm giving the tape later. Okay, so what do you want to show me? Okay, so what's behind you? Okay, so you want to do behind me. Like, it might be better to do a front because I know what's behind me and. I know there's a big door and all of that stuff, but maybe if you want to hold something. Okay, sure. All right. What's written on this glass? There's something written on it. Oh, oh, oh, my gosh. That just showed up out of nowhere. Is it Luis? Yes. Is that what's in Luis? Correct. I didn't see anything and then you said it and all of a sudden I saw black and I was like, what the? How many fingers am I holding up? Oh, you're going like like this. Correct. What shape am I making? You're going like that. Okay. Can you see beyond what the screen offers? So could you see something else in my room? Yeah, I have been trained on that one right now. That's okay. Yeah. Behind you, there's a poster. What's above the poster? It's the, my light. Is that what you're talking about? How many lights are hanging vertically in the vertical strip? On the vertical strip. I'm not sure. Let me see. Let me, let me change my blindfold. That was well. Once I can. My back. Oh, now I saw it. My back vision. Hold on. Let me give you a second. Let me. Can I say that blindfold as well? Sorry to. Just. Just here. This one when I just did. Yeah. There's tape. And you can see there's tape. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. I don't think I have shape parts, but give me a second. Like, let me see. Is that why not prepare the demo? Sorry to put on this point. Let me a second. I want to see if I could do this. One second. I have no demo cars. I have. Actually, give me a second. You have something. Let's see. No, but I do have these. So I'm going to have any blindfold. I'm going to have a blindfold. I can do that. Yeah. Either one. And. I'm a shopper. Yeah. Yeah. It's not coming in clearly right now. Probably because I'm just like on the spot really. I'm just going to show you some colors. I'll kind of explain what's happening. I'm just going to shuffle. But this one's like an orange probably. Is it orange or? Yep. It's orange. In the random line. This one. This one. What is this also orange? I don't know. It's not orange. I don't know. It's not orange. It's not orange. Is it orange or pink? Pink. Okay. Pink and orange. Look extremely similar. When your mind says. Opening up. Orange again. Is this orange? No. Is it yellow? Yes. Okay. Oh, my goodness. I don't know if I have enough. I don't know if I can see. There's all the orange. That's all right. That is orange. Okay. Oh, my gosh. Okay. I know I got it. Do I have any other colors besides orange? Yes. Yes, you do. Okay. Let's do another one. Okay. This one looks a little different. This one looks like it's probably green. Yeah. I'm nearly enough. The reason I went like this is because if I was looking this way, I could totally see in the front easily. Right. So my friends are extremely developed. So I've gotten them very sensitive. They're very developed. My back ones because I don't have an attranger for me. I haven't gotten them long distance. And so they're kind of weak. I was looking at these parts. It would have been better with different shapes. They all look similar. They look extremely, they look the same to me. Yeah. Yeah. They look just the same like the 12 and the 15. No, like I'm not going to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when I'm training people, I'll say, and I'm going to have to get going. Sure. What is this? If you see this, just say red or orange, because it's going to look exactly the same way. First training. You're not going to tell this one. I would say green or yellow. This one. This one. I'm not going to tell you that. I know what was happening, so I don't use these windows enough. Well, thank you so much for doing that. I know you've got to get going. Do you have time for just another question before you go? Just one more. Okay, sure, sure. And if it's too big, just that's totally fine. But I noticed, we've kind of talked about a spiritual aspect. So there's a big question. But we were kind of talking about pre-cognition and with Alex, I spoke about possibility of simulation theory. I noticed you've got a crucifix on the wall in the background. Does this all work within, like, the framework's like religion and God and those things? Can they be an explanation for some of this stuff? Or you've mentioned angels as well. I'm just building a model of reality. There's so many different models of reality. I don't even know how I'm reading this question correctly. But what the hell is going on? And does the idea of God sit in with that, I guess, is my question? Most definitely for me and Levy, the idea of God, does sit in with that. And most of these kids that are in the telepathy kids, they all have some sort of kinship with God and angels. And there's different names for the beings. And Levy will switch the name depending on the person she's talking to. But sometimes she'll say the teachers or sometimes she'll say the angels if they need to hear the word angel. But it doesn't matter the background under religion or anything. We all have these abilities. And some religions understand it a little bit more and some don't. And with, like, there are some religions like they have, like, monastic and hermetic background, they'll have mystics. And so a lot of the times the mystics actually do understand a stuff. Like the mystics, for example, they understand by location, they understand a mindset, they didn't call it a mindset. They just said, hey, when I close my eyes, there's this area where I can see. And so there's a lot of mystics, especially like in Catholicism's past that have that ability. Or there's a lot of monasteries. If you ever heard of a Mount Athos, that one's a re-borthodox. And they are doing the most incredible things there. They're levitating. They have the ability of sight. They are able to heal a lot of them or live into 150. I know a lot of people have gone there. And a lot of them are like, yes, I saw this person levitating. And I tried and meet on the monks. I tried to record it and the recordings never work. So there's a lot of religions that kind of focus on it. And they have an idea of it. But yeah, we're all just kind of-- these are all abilities we all have. We all explain it in different ways. I do think if anyone is focusing on asking their angels for assistance and asking the spiritual help of their assistance, they're probably going to have more experiences. Because likely they said they won't intervene if you don't ask them to. So yeah. And a lot of it is kind of like a simulation, like you said, where I like to say our intention plays a big role. And it's almost like an AI prompt. If you ask for something to happen and you expect it to happen, it's like it will happen. And that's actually something that's written in a lot of spiritual backgrounds and vital and all of that. But for example, like Alex probably told you that we do a lot of things that seem impossible in the class. And one of them is magnetizing metal. And so people are shocked that you can just do that. We can just tell the metal to become magnetic and it becomes magnetic. And you're testing it. And not only that, you're seeing the progression. You see how at first it's really weak and then all of a sudden it's strong enough. Like for example, I've been every time I do a call I play with, I play with things like that and I make them magnetic. But here's an example of needles I was just playing with. And so one second, see if I could do that. Now it's not like it's you. See if I could pick it up with something. I'm not wanting to do it of course. But it's going on here. I should see they look they're magnetic with each other. So I usually start by pulling them. If I'm wanting to make magnetic, I'll just tell it to pull. And then as I'm pulling, I'm saying it's getting stronger and stronger. But this one's kind of weak still. So anyway, I just start kind of a pulling and then you start to lift it up once it gets strong enough. But anyway, you kind of see that it is doing something. Yeah. Yeah, we end up doing it to the point where you're picking up night. Like you'll have two knives and you'll pick the other one up and you make it that magnetic. Yeah, I really did it. Dalia, thank you so much for your time. I could obviously talk for hours more. Let you go. Really, really fascinating stuff. How can people find you or kind of get involved if someone was curious to take some of your courses or anything? Yeah, so if you go to my website, dalia. I actually have an events page and it tells you everywhere I'm going to be. So it might be at a small workshop. It might be at a convention. It kind of tells you where you can find me if you want to do a small introductory course or a little class. Or if you want to actually take a full seminar. Cool. Thank you so much. Thanks for your time. And thank you everyone for listening. Take care.