206 - Paul Bock EXPOSES Steven Greer & The Demonic UAP Disclosure Agenda

This week former Green Beret Paul Bach has spent years serving at some of America's most classified missions. Today he investigates something even stranger. UFOs, shadow people, and the entities people claim they've encountered. After years of interviewing intelligence personnel and investigating the UAP phenomenon. Paul says that there's one question that every single person on this planet needs to be prepared to answer. Not whether UFOs are real, but what they really are. And if he's right, it changes everything. This is Ninja's our butterflies episode 206. This podcast is brought to you in power by Sunday Cool. Watch this or listen. All right, ready to rock and roll. Paul Bach is on the show. I'm tired of talking about me. You talk about me. All right, Paul Bach is in the building. Welcome. We're here. Thank you. Thank you. Very, very comfortable. You see my cop racker. Oh, yeah. So that would help, but obviously he's not here, so. But Josh promised me a good rub down. Yeah. Yeah, that was the payment for that. Yeah. How do we feel about men giving women massages at a massage place? I would it want a massage from a man. Oh, well, what about your wife getting massage from a man? I mean, I don't love it, but I, but I understand it. Because it's like, I wouldn't want a massage from a man. So I wouldn't think a woman only asked that because Lily just got a massage and it's from a man. They can get in deep. Yeah, she's not out. She said he did a very good job. And I'm like, okay. You don't have to tell me that. You can just say it was okay. It's like, it was a really good Christian guy though. I'm like, that doesn't actually help. It was really funny. He was really thoughtful. It was like, he was very tall too. Am I right? She'll out. She'll out. So he was like, six, four. I'm like, okay. All right. Was it me? I had something like that. Something something European starts describing his hands. We can feel very good right now. Just sit back and relax. Breathe. All right. Hans. Your husband doesn't appreciate you. Okay. All right. Okay. Relax. Oh, man. Paul, thanks for coming, man. Yeah, I know. We appreciate it. You got a book out. The disclosure agenda. It's not out yet. It is. It is coming out. So let's let's be exact. Yeah. Yeah. Don't want people to pick up our words. But you can pre-order it on Amazon. Yes. Yes. Amazon. You printed these in the Amazon. Yeah. There's a lot of trees. Yeah. So there's lots of sources for paper. People. People don't like that. But, you know, you got to do what you have. The world we live in. Exactly. There's lots of regenerative. We're going to dive into that book. We're going to dive in. We got a lot to talk about today. Paul. That's the goal, right? Yeah. Hence why we have microphones. Yeah. Headphones. Well, if we didn't mention any, we just talked about our favorite link foods and stuff. Because that's what I'm into. You know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about steak. Scalps. You're just talking about love. A whole time. Oh, we could be a love island. Rewatch podcast. Speaking of. I've said in so many audition tapes of that show, it's ridiculous. You know, people said on it. Oh, they bet on anything, dude. That's crazy. Was it Calci? And all the other dad. Yeah. Yeah. That's not bad at all. Hey, let's just advertise gambling to all the children. To get them hooked at the age problem. Been saying this for so long. Oh, my God. It's a huge problem. I get so many ads for it. It makes me just like turn more off to it. Like, I have no desire. You know, it is cool, though. I just found an app this morning called, um, little, little, little, this is not a sponsor. I just thought it was really cool. And I want to do it with you guys. Well, while he is looking for that, you guys do know the statistics, right? Of what? Uh, gamblers. No. 90, 95% of gamblers tend to quit right before their big win. Yeah. Wow. Of course, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants, nobody likes a quitter. And whenever they, and whenever they quit, you got to celebrate by doing some gambling. That's why I still have all of my doge. Okay. This app is called steppa. Steppa. And it's basically you go on and you can put in like 45 bucks and it's a challenge. It's a walking challenge. Okay. So like this one, the prize pool is 15 grand. And it's a 15 day challenge to hit 8500 steps every day for 15 days. And you don't get the full amount. Whoever wins in that, they split it up the pot away. Yeah. That's kind of cool. I'm down for that. That's not so much gambling as it is like a challenge, right? Yeah. I feel like that's different than gambling. 8500 steps a day. Yeah. It's easy, right? It's not terrible. As long as you're walking up around down your house, all that stuff, you'll hit that pretty quick. That's about 2000 steps a day, so you mean you said the big back office, right? Oh, yeah. You make the other people do the steps. Yeah. That's right. I'll just take my apple watch. I'll probably attach it to my kids and get my coffee out of there. That's what the dog is. That's probably what they're doing, dude. I mean, money's on the line. You're probably throwing that on your kid, your dog. What are you going to do? That's what Josh has done in our hike to Mordor. Dude, no way, dude. I don't cheat. Dude, I was so far ahead of you and you've dusted me. We have this app, it's called, um, I don't even know. It's the fantasy hike. Yeah. You can get in Mordor. Yeah. The Lonely Mountain. We're all racing and I'm like a hundred miles ahead of Andrew. Well, that's the thing. I went to Disney. I had a kid. I was ahead. I have two kids. I was, they run around. We went to Disney. We got back in the car after Disney walking all morning, right? And Demi's like, 'cause she has a watch too. She's like, how many steps do you got, Dad? Because she tries to beat me. And I look at my phone because I didn't have my Apple watch. Zero. It's a negative 8,000. So that's the thing. It's not even tracking me now. So it's like, I have to reset everything. I'm losing all these steps. Yeah, you're going to reset it, man. I know. Sure. I'm sure there's a loss here. Right. You could go like, hey, you lost me money. Yeah. You lost me back. Ooh, yeah. I'll see you in court. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mr. Stepa. I'm Mr. Stepa. Um, speaking of going to court, uh, do you want to song? Bard. Enter. Play a song. Play me a song. Play a song for the dollar bill. Do you have a genre in mind that you would love us to sing? Anything. Uh, nice. It was just improvised something. Yeah, it's improvised. I'm a yelper, so if it's not good, you're going to lose a star. Hey, I'm OK with that. I want honest feedback, but give me a genre. Hip hop. Oh, OK. Hip hop. That's easy. Yeah. All right, here we go. [MUSIC PLAYING] Every civilization has its legends. Stories passed down from one generation to the next. Human still stories of monsters under the bed, of ghosts and the dark, of creatures that come in the night. But far beyond the skies, the aliens tell only one story, not to entertain, but to warn. Every night before the little great children close their eyes, their parents gather them close in whisper. If you're good, he won't find you. Because there is one name, feared in every galaxy. One warrior, the Hunter of Aliens, his name, Paul Bach. He marched through the desert with no shadow state. The stars themselves scattered wherever he prayed. He captured a saucer with nothing but grit. Then sent all the pilots home from trembling from it. The grace all retreated whenever he'd stand big, foot, feet, his pants, when he shook his hand. He stared at the moth, man, it begged him for peace. Nothing could stop him, nothing makes him cease. Aliens all high when they hear a knock. Because they know who it is. Oh, no, it's Bach. No, Bach. Hunter of Aliens, their of saucers, terror of Mars. Paul Bach, the green beret, ledge, and the reason of the galaxy locks all its doors. [SINGING] In almost 7th night, the heavens fell silent. The stars refused to shine. Not because darkness was coming, no. But because they knew, Paul Bach was awake. Paul Bach, Hunter of Aliens, breaker of UFOs. Keeper of Earth. Paul Bach, last of the warriors, a legend of the cosmos. He still fears the day. [SINGING] A slew of physics game. - Hip hop ladies and gentlemen, that is hip hop. - That is hip hop. - So I would say, I would say, this is just my personal review. It's having somebody that played classical piano for a very long time, that well done, more of a mix of tenacious D and high lung. - That's fair, that's fair. - I can see the attempt and I can give you grace. - See, now I'm gonna go and post. And I'm gonna add drums and I'm gonna make it hip hop. - Oh, there you go, there you go, there you go. - I'm just gonna talk about, I'm gonna pull the hip hop. - Screw that guy. - Yeah. - Very good. - Very good. - You get sung to a lot? - I sing to myself. - Yeah. - I count, you know. - Yeah, it's not the same though, right? - Quiet at night, scared, new hunt and aliens. - Yeah, yeah. - What's your, what's your go to? It's cool, calm the nerves. ♪ This is a rhythm ♪ - Probably zombie by the cranberries, maybe. - Nice. - Classic, classic. My five year old loves that song. - It's a good song. - She loves it. - I mean the 90s, I mean, back, the music, they don't have bands like that anymore. - No. - You know, the Ricties in the Weekly Top 40, you got the, we had actual legit bands and all this frickin electronic. - K-pop crap. - K-Oh. - Just kidding. - I just insulted an entire country. I'm sorry, South Korea. - Yeah. - No, no, I'm not. - It's not my K-pop. - I'm not sorry. - You know what? - Say more. - Say more. - All right. - Here's a list. Look, just don't put the shovel down, man. Just keep digging. - Keep digging. - Gotta keep digging. - Man, this is gonna be a great episode, but unfortunately we have to get into the, we gotta get into the weeds. - Well, ask me the question. - Oh. - Hey, pop that cherry, man. Let's get it going. - He knows, he knows the drill. - All right. - You want to give it to him? - Yeah, I'll give it to him. I'd wear it then. - Yeah. - So we get billions of questions in and every day. - I see the telegrams all over. - Yeah. - Everywhere. - I wanna high keep it straight. - I mean, letters just flood in. Billions. - And when they found out Paul Bob was gonna be on the podcast, they're like, we have one question for you. - We have one question. Collectively, they all came together and asked this question. - Which is really incredible. - It's really incredible how they were able to mobilize like that. - Yeah. - I'll just get on with it. - Paul, today's question's sent in by a viewer. - Is it possible that aliens are demons? - Doug, yeah, let me preface it. Let me preface it's a yes or no. We don't make the rules, Paul. - We wish we did, but we can't. - It's just a yes or no. We just don't expound upon it. - Is it possible? - Yeah. - Given what we know about natural evolution, the answer would be no. - No. - No, it can't be. Due to evolution and what the science says, I mean, clearly they're a higher evolve to entity. It's here for our benefit, so no. - He's dodging me out. - So you're saying they're an entity? - Yeah, they're entity. They're a higher evolve species. So given what science says regarding evolution, I would have- - I would have hoped. - Yeah, of course. Evolution is true, guys. We know this. So I would say no. - Higher evolved entity. - Keep going. I mean, these are the words that Paul is using to describe. Aliens. - Yeah. - And obviously we're talking about- - Well, I'm just going with the science, man. I'm going with the science to say, they matter. - What are we talking about, Andy? - We're talking about what the government would call illegal aliens, and you're calling them higher evolved entities. When they're just people, at the end of the day, so you're gonna denigrate them? - No, I'm not saying anyone's angry at all. - Oh, don't try to flip this on as far as possible. - Don't try to flip this on. - I hear some privilege coming through. - Wow. - Time out. Hold on. - Hey, Pot, are you calling this guy black? Well, yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - You're calling it black. - I mean, Andrew, he's Chinese. - Right? - He can. - He sure is not Korean. - You mean, you were just slamming that one. - And now you're assuming his Korean. - Wow. - That sounds like privilege to me. - That sure does. Well, I guess you guys heard it here first. - Andrews, Korean. - Andrews, all things Andrews Korean. What the heck? Welcome to show. (laughing) (screaming) - Can I say ninja? - I meant-- - Beautiful. (upbeat music) - You were? - Watch the Lord. - Pop ninja's out there! (upbeat music) - Sash ninjas. (laughing) - Beautiful, that was beautiful. We are a fully expecting you to say yes. (laughing) We had to pivot. - Yes, we did. - Yes, we did. - Yeah, something about turning that to Asian jokes and making me hit a gong this way. (laughing) - We're gonna be races if we demanded you hit it. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, we are so fortunate to have an Asian on the show. - Yeah. - That's we're privileged because of that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You get to get away with it all. - So, Paul, in the song, we mentioned a couple of things. One, you are a green beret. - Yes. - Can you tell us about that? - Yeah. When you wanna know, background, just how it all went down. - Yeah, I'll be completely honest with you. - Yes. - We're up in a military community. My dad retired Air Force. We were in Earlbert, Eglund, Duke's, Ray, Air, like that whole area. - Yeah. - But I did have to chat GPT. Please explain to me exactly what a green beret is. So I would rather than trusting AI, let you unpack what that means. - So, green berets, obviously, you have special operational forces. You have seals for the Navy. You have, you have CAG for the Army. Then you have like dev group and all that stuff. But then, Rangers are special operations forces. And then green berets are specifically, we actually hold the title of special forces, the US Army special forces. Our basically bread and butter is what we would call unconventional warfare. So, whereas you have people like the seals that are shooters kicking down doors, doing missions like that. You talk to seals, you're gonna say, "Hey, I'm a shooter." Or that's kind of tending to be the missions that they take up. Plus all the underwater stuff that they do. For green berets, we really came out of the OSS. When the OSS kind of went away, it split. One part became the CIA. The other part became the green berets. And we were used very heavily in Vietnam because of our ability with unconventional warfare. Basically, there's multiple steps within unconventional warfare to train. You meet up, there's different, like seven different steps. You prep the environment, you make link up with a group of people in regards to say, it's an insurgency that you're trying to build up to cause chaos within a certain country. Go after and go after infrastructure, things like that. You, the reason we are so successful is that we don't just train people to do things by doctrine and we train category. So what does that mean? Yeah, so it's like train the trainers, basically. So by doctrine on unconventional warfare, I take you three. I wouldn't train you to go, "Hey, go hit this piece "of infrastructure, go hit this building." Whatever, I would take you. And then my other guys would train as well. And we would train you to train other people to do it. So you'd take 10 guys, you'd take 10 guys, you'd take 10 guys, and now I got 30 guys. And from that, I can, excuse me, caffeine. We can basically be like cancer, spread out, and hit a lot more things. So unconventional warfare is kind of our bread and butter, buy, with and through, working alongside different forces. Now obviously there's, within unconventional warfare, that's one of our mission sets. We also have, when we're working with partner nations, training along their forces. So an example, when I went to Afghanistan, and we actually went and trained alongside the Emirati Soft, and we're going to Afghanistan with the Emiratis. We trained with Jordanian, so for me specifically, right, I was a fist-special forces group. Every special forces group is responsible for a different area of the world. So in the qualification course, you're learning languages. Part of that's part of the training for languages in that region. So seventh group is responsible for South America. They learn Spanish. We, fifth group, Middle East, were learned in Arabic. So in that case, when it came to Iraq, we were going in, and either standing up elements, training Iraqis, working with their armies. We, for my team in Bayji, an example, the Bayji SWAT, is where we were in Bayji in Salah Hadin province. So the Bayji SWAT, their local major police force, in a sense, it wasn't the exactly police, they were just the SWAT. We worked alongside them and ran missions with them and trained them up. We also stood up a commando element for our region. So the Iraqi government, for their military, wanted a commando element to sit up. So we ran the whole training POI, built that out, and trained up and stood up that commando element to then be able to go run missions. So we, a lot of working with people and networks, and things like that, so there's, and that's just a bit of what we do. We're not really door kickers, while that is part of our mission set at times, that's not the primary. The primary thing that we're doing is building relationships, building rapport, working alongside people to accomplish the task and basically train, and then use them in order to accomplish the mission together. - Well, so Bayji, it sounds really easy. - Oh yeah, it's super easy. - Yeah, it sounds biblical when I was looking at, 'cause you're not. You guys run in 12 man groups, right? - Yeah, yeah, I like to say Jesus was the first. - Yeah, I mean, that's what it sounds like. - Clearly, it's a good disciple. - It's a good disciple, it's a good disciple. And then what to do, and then they went and replicated. - Well, that's super cool. - Yeah, that's, that's generally what Green Brage do. And then we have a, it's kind of, one of the things you learn when you get to group is it usually takes about two to three years to really get your feet under you. 'Cause it's just, you know, it's just so vast. 'Cause the things that you're doing have massive, third and fourth order effects with an entire regions and nations. You know, you've got to maintain rapport with people. - Yeah. - And with your local populace and you're dealing with cultures that are very, very different. So you kind of have to integrate and become a lot like them. - Wow, so this, without naming like different, like who's been in office or a specific timeline, I would imagine whichever president or whichever person in charge. 'Cause like I've heard stories of different presidents wanting different things mobile. And then another president comes in and kind of completely will change their form policy and things they wanna be doing. That has to have tremendous effect while you're in a region, right? - I mean, it can, you know, one of the things again, you'll have some teams deploying into a war zone and other teams are going to another nation that's a partner nation to just do training with their military, you know? So it varies, man. And it's always changing. It's always changing. 'Cause the environment always changes. The missions always change. The national policy always changes and you just adapt and do whatever you're gonna do in whatever capacity you have to. - So you're in Afghanistan for a while? - Yeah, I did three trips to Iraq, one to Afghanistan and then one to Syria. - Were you there? Do you know, like the Kandahar giant stuff? - You ever been to Oman? My dad set up the relief base in Oman while he was services in the Air Force. - I was not in Oman. - Yeah. - I've been to Qatar, I've been to Jordan, I've been to UAE, I've been to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. - Gotcha. Dang. That was when my dad was, he was setting up the relief base over there and he literally like, this is like when it was harder to get phone calls here, but I remember he called me. He's like a bunch of dudes over here play music and I have no idea what to order. So I got to like pick all the instruments. He set up like a stage. He was like music is like therapy and like relief. So he actually like, if someone was over there and like did, came through Oman after like combat, high chance that like the instruments they were playing. I got to order so I was like super cool. - Yeah, yeah. - So I'm just curious 'cause that's what your whole life is fascinating. I mean, starting off, I mean, being a Green Beret, your unconventional warfare, counterterrorism, all that stuff. - Yeah. - And now you're investigating UFOs, simply put. Like, how does that transition happen? - Yeah, so basically when I got back from Afghanistan, I'll kind of walk this one back a little bit 'cause I have to give a context to it and how it, 'cause it's all God, man. Like, ultimately, it's all God. I mean, you guys know this, Josh, you and I talked about this, how God, you have these things, right? Proverbs, right? Man, he makes his plans, but the Lord directs his steps. So we can look back and say, yeah, I had no idea that God was gonna draw me into this, but he did. So after my dad, after the towers went down, went back into the army and he was deploying to OIF III. And so I wasn't really doing much with my life. So I was like, all right, let's go do this thing. You can't be the only one that gets to have fun. We talked about some different things. I actually was gonna be going into a reserve unit for the firefighters 'cause I was like, "Hey, I'm not doing anything." You know what, I wanna go look at firefighting, and so if I get in a reserve unit, I'll get the training, then I can go onto a department somewhere in Indiana or somewhere else in the country. Really felt that that was not where God was calling me. Just, and even though I wasn't fully walking with the Lord, you know, I was saved, I had trust in Christ for salvation. But a friend of mine heard fiance was in the 18 X-ray program, and that program is basically set up. So if you meet certain qualifications and you pass certain gates, you get a chance to go to Special Forces Assessment and Selection. So that's the path that I took. Made selection in '05, hit, ended the qualification course in April of '07, hit Fist Special Forces Group, deployed. Ran the trips to Iraq, ran it to Afghanistan, came back. But for the other time, even though I was a Christian, I wasn't really living it. You know, it's one of those things like, if you put me up on trial for being a Christian, there's not enough evidence to convict me through that. So on that trip, it was, when I was burned out, right? I deployed, you know, 708, 09, 10, and then hopped to Afghanistan 11 to 12. So you're talking five years, basically, four rotations. I was burned out, I was tired, lost some friends from different groups, guys that I'd known very well. And then right before Afghanistan, my wife had lost a pregnancy. And then in the middle of the trip, she lost the next one. And she had to carry the baby for a little while. And so that was really hard for us. But then on that trip, it was fun. But it was, it was kind of the perfect trip for a guy. Like we were showering every seven, eight days. We had 82nd kids with us. It was just nasty, moon dust everywhere. But they didn't want to have fire fights with us because basically they, what we were told, 'cause we actually had a Taliban guy come to one of our sure as, and he said, hey, like we are not going to fight you bearded ones. But if the British come, we will fight them every day. They're still pissed off about the end of the caliphate. But so what they did instead is they put pressure plates everywhere. And so every dad, gum day, we had a Navy OD tech, Chad Reg, and then we had our dog handler. And we were just going out every day, getting all the pressure plates. I actually, I actually almost stepped on when I was about a quarter inch off. I see this little red thing. And I'm like, Reg, Reg. And you know, it's 20 pounds or it's been your legs. Like, oh, thanks bro, you know, but so we were getting all the pressure plates taken care of and, but so what they did is they did a command debt on us. They daisy chained three IEDs together. And as my team was walking through, they clacked it off on us, shot my buddy Joe in the ditch, and then they killed Reg. Oh my gosh. So come home off that rotation. I'm burned out, we just lost Reg, lost the pregnancies, my other friends. I'm just like, yeah, I'm done man. I'm, I'm fried like I'm burned out. So I'm just literally getting alcohol every day, coming home, drinking on the way home from that trip, though, as we were working on getting home, a buddy of mine, my medic was like, hey, have you ever heard of the Bible in 24 hours? I chuck Missile. I'm like, no, never heard of it. So we're sitting there playing battle toads on the emulator, just listening to it. And I'm just mind blown, right? I've never heard this defense of the Bible, defense of the gospel. I didn't realize the depth of the text. And as I'm sitting there, rotting on the couch and I'm playing Gears of War, and my God bless my wife who's just dealing with me at this time, because I just, I don't have anything left to give her. You know what I mean? And I'm not doing what I need to do. So I was listening to some commentaries and I was like, I want to listen to Revelation. I'm interested about that book. I've heard about it. I think I've heard a couple things I really want to know. So I was like, just chuck Missile or have a revelation commentary? Oh yeah, he does. So here I am, just getting hammered, playing video games. And in that process, one of the things that he presents is the crucifixion, not from the viewpoint of the sun, but the viewpoint of the father. And having just lost the kids, they did just, dude, that just crushed me. And so I was so done. I actually was in the process of getting out of the military. God did some things was like, no, you can't do this. So I'm driving into work one day, just balling my eyes out. Like I don't want, like I'm fried. Like what do you want me to do? Like I know I'm called the ministry. Maybe what does it even look like? Like am I supposed to get out and go to college? How do you do this thing? Yeah. And God very heavily kicked me in the teeth and said, the military is your ministry. You've been living for yourself. And so he started to bring back all the people that I had not witnessed too. That was no longer with us. So I had to eat that pretty heavily. And then that, with that, I was like, OK, I submit. I've lived for myself. It's time to live for you. This is my ministry. I realize how I've failed. Now I've got to start walking this thing out and really pursue you. So I fell down the eschatological rabbit hole for about three years. And it was one of those always being a barren, right? Going back to the text. No matter what anybody says regarding all the differing viewpoints. Because there's a lot of different viewpoints on eschatology. What does the text actually demonstrate? What lines up with the text? Well, obviously Chuck Mistler was one of the people I'd listened to along with Covenant Theologians and all that other stuff. And he had mentioned how he believes aliens are part of the end time deception. So I'm like, ah, maybe let's see what happens, right? So for about a month and a half, I just started digging down into that. I was reading secular non-Christian sources. I was reading Christian sources. I was looking at methods of interaction, hearing some major people in the space. You know, again, from the standpoint of what are the overarching narratives, methods of contact? What are these people saying? What does the church say? What does the text say? Let's take everything. And like Paul says in first list, that's only in five, twenty one, test all things. Hold fast to that, which is good. So I'm going to do that and take all this and test it against the text. And by the end of that month and a half, I was like, okay, this, this, everything surrounding this violates what the tech states, you know, as far as methods practice as narratives, it all points away from what the text. So I was like, okay, I'm pretty satisfied. This is really not of God. So shelved it, you know, every down, then you have random conversations with people, pull it off the shelf. Well, when I was in Syria, I was the obstargent. I ran down to Jordan, Metadude. We got really connected. It was like two in the morning, wasn't sleeping, just a random meeting. Well, that turned into a really close friendship for the next five years. And a few years ago, he calls me up. He's like, hey, what are your thoughts on this? It's like, well, 20-minute conversation, gave it to him based on my research shots on aliens. Yeah, like an UAPs and stuff like that. He's like, hey, there's an opportunity to help with some things, national security and fill some gaps. Because obviously, national security is a big thing for us, right? We live here. We like it here. And you know, it's interesting because you have a lot of people like, like, give us everything. It's like, do you want our enemies knowing about our capabilities? Like, are you insane? So, you know, render to Caesar, what is Caesar's to God, the things that are gods. You know, so basically that's how I got pulled into the whole program with that. And it was just very much a random meeting in 2017 in Jordan that led to all this. And then God just started opening crazy doors. So that's kind of how I got pulled in. When your buddy called you and he asked you the question, what do you think valiance? What did you think that conversation was going to go? Because it was already being talked about in Congress, you know, we had some whistleblowers that had come forward. We had, you know, there was, there was more in the media a little bit. If you're tracking it, so I was just thinking he's like, ah, okay, they're talking about it. What, what does this mean? And so just based on that, one, you know, due to some of the missions I ran, my training and capabilities, especially on the commside and some other stuff, I basically said, hey, there's an opportunity one in. So I go, okay, let's go. Did he tell you stuff in that meeting to where you're just like, holy crap? No, no, that did stuff just kind of, you know, you go where you go and stuff manifest and you just do what you do. Interesting. When you were deployed, did you see anything? Because there's a lot of stories of like people seeing, especially in the remote desert. So I, I did not. My team sergeant Mike, when I was on 75, he was real strong Christian. So I can't remember what town they were at when he was, it was before he, before he was a team sergeant. But they were having lots of firefights in this town. It was just chaos. And but every night he'd go up on the roof and pray. And what he told me was that this one night, he went up on the roof and then this dust devil just starts. And he said, it was literally like a tornado of sand just around him. And he starts here in a, a pig getting, like it was a pig in slaughter, just screaming out in the village. And so he's like just, and he just feels this dark presence. So he just keeps praying and praying and professing the name of Jesus. And he said it finally just, the sand just stopped, the screaming stopped. And he said after that, like the firefight stopped, the, they said that it just, it was a completely different environment, environment going out in the town. And then my buddy, Glenn, they actually had an IED go off on their vehicle. And he was telling me that it basically the way it blew should have just shredded all of them. Right. And what he said was that everything was destroyed, but nobody was touched. So there's, there's lots of stories of people like having experiences and seeing things and just divine protection. Yeah. I have a buddy. He, uh, he wrote, what was it? He was a cheese of chaplain, one of the most intense people I know. He was in the triangle of death. And what's that? Sorry. It's an area in Iraq that was just really hot. And so he was going out there as a chaplain. He was out with some Marines. And they were up behind a sniper blind. And he, he said this, this dude, there was a blind shot to the sniper blind hits the dude in the head. He goes down. So the firefight starts and kid just sits up and he's holding this kid's helmet. He's got a hole in it. He's got a line where the, uh, the bullet had traced around and he broke, goes, bro, God's got a plan for your life. And then just like a Marine, they're just, oh, no, sure. That happens all the time. God dang it. That's crazy. Yeah. There's, dude, there's tons of stories like that from people. You know, I know we had, God definitely protected us a lot, a whole lot. I had a sniper take a pop at me. I was pulling security down Market Street in Beijing and my fox and my captain were over here. And I felt the round go right past my neck and in between him. You know, it's just like, I'm just sitting duck, right? And so just, but every time we go out, like even, again, even though I wasn't living for him, like I should have, like that Psalm 91 prayer, man, every time like God drove before us, lift us up, give your angels charge, concerning us because, you know, that's all you can do. You know, you, you walk with death every day. You never know when that time's going to come. But you just got to, you just go out, operate, work mission and whatever plays out plays out. So all you can do is trust God. You know, that's, that's all you can do. That's amazing. That's crazy. Uh, can you pull your mic up just a closer? Is that better? Yeah. There's just a little bit of, sorry. I feel bad. No, you're good. So since getting into this realm and stuff and your book and all this stuff, have you experienced anything spooky? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. That typically happens, right? It's like, once you like start like, yeah, exposing something then. So obviously, one of the things that you, you start opposing the enemy, he's going to start doing certain things, right? Yeah. That was not our expectation, uh, from the standpoint of seeing anything. Um, we were just operating, right? And well, so when you're doing things within this realm and human intelligence and things like that, you know, it's all about networking, right? It's about connecting people with people. So as we're going in this process, one of the people that we connected with was Stephen Greer. And the reason that we connected with him, because we obviously have people you connect within the, within the government in different places. Um, but you also want to go, if you're going to do it right, you want to talk to everybody. So this guy is, you know, he's got supposedly all these contacts and people that want legit programs. And so we went out to his place a couple years ago and we're just having these meetings with him. Seeing if they are you blowing smoke with Stephen Greer. Yeah. Like, are you legitimate? And I'm going to caveat this whole thing first by saying like, the man has truly good intentions. You know, he was a, he was an ER doctor that gave that up to go after something and try to help what he views is very vital for the saving of humanity. You know, he has good. So people can just say, oh, he's evil. It's like, I mean, I know the man. I've had a lot of conversations with him. Like, he truly does have good intentions, whether or not they're, you know, his conclusions and his practices are right. He does have good intentions with the information that he has and what he believes. So I think rather than just slamming people, we should, as Christians, be praying for them because, yeah, like, he's a lost soul man. Like, that kind of has to matter to us. Yeah. So as we went out there, we're having these meetings, just getting information. Like, who do you know? What validating evidence do you have? And during some of the breaks, some of the guys that were out there just witnessing to them, you know, reasons for faith. A couple of them were actually Jewish. So I was giving defense on why Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, like from the text. And so it was, it was really good conversations and just an opportunity to sow seeds and water. And one of the questions that was asked, I remember by one of our guys, he said, okay, if what you're saying is true, if all of these things about the crimes and these compartments and this and that is true, why aren't you dead? You're just, you're just a dude. And he said, well, I'm protected. If anybody tries anything, they will be dealt with quickly. So like, okay, Steven said that. Yeah. So our second night there, we were there for two nights. The second night there, I have a dream. And it's never had anything experienced like this before or since. And in the dream, there is a doorway. And there was, I just remember it was, it was black, very, very black. But it's, it's, it's not like a black like your, your light thing. So it's hard to describe the black void. Maybe. But then there's light around it. And there's light around the edges. And there's things standing there. And he just says, you can have anything you want. So I'm like, as I'm viewing this and processing this in my dream, I just start saying, I reject that in Jesus name. I reject that in Jesus name. And every time that I would say that and begin to say that, this thing started going like careful, careful, careful. And so I pulled myself awake and then something jumped on me in the bed, whoo covered my mouth up. And I, it was like this pressure on the chest. Yeah. And it just like, like, and I'm like physically fighting just to say the name Jesus. I'm like, so I finally about 15 seconds of struggle. I finally get out Jesus. Go. Like, and I can just feel the pressure get off me. My mouth is uncovered. And I can just, it's almost like I get the best way I can describe it is that I could feel this presence leave the room, go down the stairs and out the front door. So obviously I'm very, very shaken. Because I've, was this at Stephen's house? Yes, it was at Stephen's house. Yeah, I was in one of the guest bedrooms. Is that the thing that's protecting him? Well, yes, I guess maybe, you know, and that's, and this kind of goes into the next dream. So I'm praying and I am worshiping and because obviously I'm really shaken, right? And finally, really kind of just calm down, feel peace come, just spend time with the Lord, go back to sleep. And I'm in a crowd. It's kind of like the matrix, you know, that, that crowd that's walking. And there's a woman standing in the middle of the crowd and Jesus is staring at me. So I see it, somebody walks by her and in movies, you know, when people like, they walk by and the person disappears, instead of that, she turned to this like 12, 15 foot thing. Feminine, feline, like that's the best way I can describe it. I actually don't, there's no real way to describe what I saw. So I wake up and I'm like, okay, clearly I had a demonic experience. Clearly I was attacked. That's probably why I had that dream. Well, then I went home the next day on Sunday, went back, you know, slept in my own bed. And in the dream of that night, I was back at Greer's place. And when you walk in his front entrance, there's a big, there's a kind of study to the left and there's a big door frame. And the same woman is standing there. And somebody, again, walks by her and again, same thing turns into this thing except the difference was I could feel just hatred, like I can't just cry a bit other than to say, I just felt like this thing, if it could murder me, it would. And I just started saying in my dream, I'm not scared of you. You can't touch me. You have no authority over me. I'm bought by the blood of Jesus. And then I looked over and Greer was this dead body just leaned up against the wall. And if you've ever seen dead bodies that are sitting, they have a very different look than people that are sleeping. So just leaned up against the wall, dead body, and he was completely black. So I wake up and I call my director and I say, hey, so this thing appeared to me twice. This is what happened. You know about the whole thing with the initial attack in the bed. And so he's like, okay, you remember that question we asked about him being protected? I said, yeah. He said, I dug down into that later on Saturday night and I said, what did you mean by that? What do you mean? People will be dealt with. You're protected. And he said, well, I have these basically entities, remote viewers can see them, certain type of scanners can see them. And he said they protect, protect it. So at another time, I visited his house and because there were some stuff going on. And I presented an edited version because he's, he's not Christian, right? And so, and I'm just trying to be respectful, but also I'm working. So you know, I can't just say, oh, hey, this happened, right? Because he would view that as a a siop or people are telling me I'm wrong, whatever, right? He's very hostile to that stuff. So I gave him an edited version stating what happened and he said, oh, those are the warriors. Yeah. So he, I mean, that's, you know, what he told me, of course, my question was, well, why, why did it appear to me? You know, and he gave his statement and talking with my director, we both felt that the reason that occurred was because I was sharing the gospel, kind of on enemy territory. The, as far as other events, whenever we would go out to do mission, especially it ones where like the gospel ended up getting shared with certain people in different compartments or that are deep into this world, stuff would just start happening with our families. My director, like, somebody would try to commit suicide into family or an animal would die or like literally one night, I've got to get going to the airport in a few hours. My wife falls and breaks her arm well. And then after I had a meeting, we had a meeting with some pastors to discuss this stuff, what was very interesting after that, we all stayed in contact and in pairs, they would start having things happen at their house. And it was only two at a time, but it was always like at the same time. So one night, my daughter comes in, she's super shaken and she said, I'm in a dream, well if she was having a dream, she's like, hey, she's, you know, she's young, she's 13. And she said, you know, we were sitting at the kitchen table, you and mommy were there. And then there was this shadow figure with red eyes at the, in the living room, staring and it started walking. And she told me that she just said, started saying, get out, Jesus, get out, Jesus. And it just left the front door. So obviously 13 year old, she's super shaken up. But later that next morning, one of the pastors texted and said, hey, guys just so you know, last night, I heard this banging downstairs. So I went downstairs and I saw a shadow figure jumping between the rooms and then it stood and stared at me. So, you know, like, and anybody that has friends that are missionaries, you know, I've got those stories. Everybody, South America, Haiti, everybody knows about the shadow people. I've experienced it once in my house. Yeah. And it was terrifying. It was terrifying. Yeah. So, so we have had experiences like that, it's, but ultimately it's, the fantastical stuff of it doesn't matter for us. We just use it as, okay, we're, we're clearly on the right path. Satan's trying to bump us off, scare us, deal with our families. You know, it, give you any excuse not to continue or hey, I can't go out on this mission, whatever. You know, so I, I would say that those are the, the crazy stories. But for us, like, the stories, all they are for us is the confirmation of, of the spiritual nature of what we're dealing with. And that, you know, because ultimately for me and my director, what matters most is the gospel. What matters most is reaching people for Christ. And so for whatever reason, God decided to open insane doors to us that we should never should have had to be able to walk through this. And yes, we had experiences, but get information, see things that are going on. But more importantly, I think what that was for us too is it, it really put a burning in us to, ultimately, to see the church is not ready for this, right? People have talked about this for years for this disclosure. Well, yeah, and it's not even the disclosure stuff. For us, it's the belief system that's forming around it, you know, and that, and that really is the basis of the book, because you can, you know, just kind of whitewash the phenomena. Oh, it's demons. Oh, it's crazy. Oh, it's the US government. Oh, it's China. Oh, it's, you know, you can slap whatever label on you want. That's not my concern. The fact is it's real. Our government, our government has admitted it. So our concern is that as the government has been talking about this for years, people have been talking about this for years. Joe Rogan's been discussing this since he began his podcast, you know, so there is, there's been ever since Roswell, really, there's been a fringe element that has discussed these things. And if anybody studied the New Age movement in the '70s, yeah, like this was a major part, right? There's a lot of prominence to the whole UFO stuff. That kind of died away, but it was always in the minds of the population. And so what we saw was that this was, this discussion was becoming more mainstream. And as it was becoming more mainstream, it wasn't fringe anymore. People are openly discussing this, our nation is discussing this, society is discussing this, the government is having hearings about it. What we saw and what we were most afraid of, which has actually come to pass, was that as this is discussed, they're not providing context. People want answers. Yeah. They want to know what is going on. So you have all of these people over here that are not Christian, that are not lining up with the text description, and they are providing answers. And that is what our concern is for the church. It's not about the fantastical experiences. The only reason I speak on those things is to say, look, this is what we experienced, right? It's not about the story. It's about the fact that we went into a world and some serious spiritual attacks happened, which for me and for my director and my family is validating that we're doing the right thing and that this is real. This is that there is a spiritual component to this. Our concern is that as the world gives answers that are very convincing, that are very true, and I'm not talking truth of the Bible, I'm saying it's real. They can guide you into experiences. They can help you make contact, that this is a belief system that's come about and the church has completely missed it. Yeah. So now the question becomes, how are you going to have gospel conversations? How are you going to defend the faith in the midst of a belief system? And they wouldn't necessarily call it a belief system. Diana Pasolka, who is a PhD at UNC Wilmington, she says it's a religion, and I would say that she is of an authority and scholarship to be able to state. I'm watching a religion form. - Yeah, 'cause that's her studies. - Yeah, it's all about relationships. - Exactly, so in American Cosmic, she presents that. In encounters, she presents more encounters. And she's a phenomenal scholar. Have you read her work? - I haven't, no, I've seen a lot of her interviews. - Okay, she is a fantastic scholar. And I really commend her in her books. She really does a good job of what scholarship should do. And that's, or should I should say, what people want scholarship to do is just just present your research, right? And so she does that. She does a very good job of that. But in the midst of that, what she is doing, she says she's watching a religion form. She goes through the practices. She goes through the narratives. She, but she doesn't provide anything beyond that, right? There's no challenge to it. There's no affirmation, really. She just say, "Hey, guys, a religion is forming." So the world is saying, "A religion is forming." That is what matters to me. It's like Mormonism. When Mormonism was spreading massively across the US, Walter Martin stood up. If you've never read Walter Martin's kingdom of the cults, or familiar with him, would recommend. So what he did is he became one of the foremost voices against Christian cults, against different New Age practices. And he stood up and he said, "All right, "here's the theology of Joseph Smith. "Here is the theology of Brigham Young. "Here is the core Mormon theology. "This is what the text states. "Does it rise or fall? "No, it falls." Yeah. Right? Because as he states, he doesn't hate Mormons. He loves Mormons. And the theology is keeping them apart from God for eternity. Yeah. And that is what matters to me. That's great. That's what matters to my director. Yeah. So the reason I wrote the book and the reason that we're having this discussion, it's not just about the phenomena. If I'm running a deception operation, I'm gonna provide validating information. The government's talking about it. Disclosure is here. There's no longer this talk of, well, if disclosure happens, no, it's happened. Yeah. And I would actually argue that it started and true disclosure started with age of disclosure on Amazon Prime. The reason I would argue with that and argue that point is because we had people from the intelligence community and Marco Rubio talking about this and some of them on there said, this is not of this world. This is something else. This is beyond, not all of this is human-made technology. Right? So they're saying that. But they're not giving context. They're releasing videos in these tranches. They're not giving context. So now you have people over here, like Stephen Greer, like Chris Bletsso, like Diana Pasolka, like Jake Barber, like American Alchemy and Jesse Michaels. News Nation, they are giving answers. So what's the church's answer? Yeah. In the midst of this belief is exactly. So you have to understand what the theology is that's forming. You know, and here's the whole thing with it. You can't just whitewash and say, oh, it's all demons. That doesn't answer people's questions. Yeah, it kind of just puts it in a box. Exactly. You have to take, let's look at the methods of interaction. Let's look at the contact protocols. Let's look at the messaging and narrative surrounding it. Does it point to Jesus Christ as defined in the text of scripture? Third member of the Trinity came, manifest as man. He is the God man died on the cross, rose the third day, ascended to glory, seated at the right hand of the Father. Does it profess that? Does it point you towards that? 'Cause as I see it and as you take again, a look at the whole of what is being stated, it doesn't line up with this. Yeah. Why in Deuteronomy 18, you have all these practices that the people of the land are doing. That Israel is told, do not do these things. They are an abomination to the Lord. Yeah. And it's for this reason, these people are being cast out of the land. Why are those things that are forbidden what are used for contact protocols? Channeling, divination. You know, they can talk about the downloads and doing these practices to receive information. Dynapasoka talks about that a lot. Now, she, again, to her credit, she's not gonna say, you should do this. But she gives enough detail about what Tyler does to be able to replicate. That's a little, that's dangerous. Stephen Greer. Are you familiar with his CE5 protocol? Okay. So his CE5 protocol is something that he developed when he was cast like bringing it out to yourself, right? Let's say he's proved to me, show me. Well, no, so that is Chris Bledso. So Stephen Greer, what happened to him, he was actually contacted by these things very young. He had a near-death experience. Post that near-death experience. He states he was taken up into a craft and a couple of these entities, together, and they meditated together. And together, they developed the CE5 protocol. And the CE5 protocol and our close encounters with the fifth kind, as he defines it, is human-initiated contact to non-human intelligence. So you are going through, and it's like a whole mix of like meditation and transcendental meditation Eastern practices involved in this. Wow. To reach out your consciousness. And basically, they describe it of, I'm not going to get into the steps, but to get these things to show up and arrive. Now, why is this dangerous? Well, obviously, clearly, you're reaching out to an unknown entity, you're popping your head in the spirit world saying, hey, contact me. Something will answer you back. But here's what everybody's missed. Jesse Michaels on American Alchemy, when he was discussing Jake Barber's book, "Set Nils of Ether." Four weeks ago, that's at 900,000 views. And in that YouTube video, he walks you through the steps of how to do it. And then he actually says, hey, guys, this isn't here into us as humans. What the government's been trying to hide, it's in you. But the occult and the secret societies and the priests, or I can't remember exactly his quotes, but he goes through all these different things. They've been doing this for years. We can do this. So you've got 900,000 people just on YouTube alone who have been taught how to do this. That doesn't matter. - Wow. - Yeah. - It's like, well, it's people's attorneys, man. It's crazy how it's sneaking in like that, though, because it's not like, 'cause people, I feel like, I mean, even Christians, they can see like the old plain stuff, like the occultism and like witchcraft and all that stuff. And then it's like aliens like, oh, let's talk, 'cause it's such a foreign, that's because we as Christians we pay lip service to the supernatural. But in our day to day, in our interactions, in our responses, how we live, we live like naturalistic atheists. - Hmm, well. - Let's be honest, stuff's going haywire in your family, stuff's happening. Has anybody had it where you're getting ready for church? And then just like stuff blows up with your kid or your wife? Maybe it's spiritual warfare? - Yeah. - That's the thing. Like, we act as if these entities, those that are loyal to the God of the Bible and those that are hostile, while all this stuff, man, that's the Old Testament, that's Jesus' day, that's ancient history. Please show me in the text where these things stopped. - Yeah. - I'd like to see it, 'cause I can tell you, when I went down to Haiti, to pull out a missionary family, the things, some of the things that we dealt with and that he can tell you about. Like, it's still very active. - Can you talk about that, Lord? - The trip to Haiti? - Yeah. So, should we get into that right after our little break or do you want to go right now? - Yeah, let's do that real quick. - Yeah. - Don't go anywhere. We're going to talk about some crazy, more crazy stuff. (laughing) (upbeat music) - There are rumors of a place hidden beyond the edge of the internet. Most people think it's a myth. Those who made it there, never want to leave. Some say the content just keeps going. We've spent years trying to find it. Turns out it was our very own Patreon. Every bonus episode discounts on merch behind the scenes content, early access, and uncensored conversations. - Join the Ninjas Our Butterfly's Patreon today. - We'll see you on the other side. - But yeah, if you could get your mic close, just so it doesn't-- - Is it not close? - Yeah, I feel like why you're like-- - When you get passionate, you're not here, you're good. But yeah, just try to-- - We have good sound technicians, right? - Yeah. - I'm thinking of all the solutions-- - Well, then do better. (laughing) - Oh. - Oh, he needed you. (laughing) - Well played, good sir, well played. - And this guy's a ton. - Get him out. - We were not airing this. Sorry guys, it's a disappoint. - Just a montage of all the things I'm supposed to cut. (laughing) - I'm excited for you to get back into that Haiti story. While you were telling a story of the dust devil on the roof hearing the pig's wheel, it maybe think back to my brother. - Yeah. a mission trip in Haiti, very similar description of what started happening right outside the compound, yeah, them and all the other church kids were in, like clearly something, yeah, spiritual evil was happening involving some sort of sacrifice. So like, immediately my brain parallel to Haiti. So for you to bring it up, that's really interesting. No, it's got that also reminding me of there's a story of this guy, his name's St. Paesios, he was a monk on Mount Athos, and there's a story like him literally, he just went and just like did a week or plus of just fasting and just praying on this mountaintop. And it was like, when you started picking up and he started here and screaming and like literally at some point they were pushing them down and then scratching them. I'm just like, yeah, this is there's so many stories like that, man. Yeah, it's so insane. Man, but let's let's let's talk about your Haiti story. This because I've been to Haiti. Okay, um, it is a dark place. We like order prints and like, there's one sort of mind, I promise he's not going to be nearly as interesting as yours, but we were in one of those like, um, market areas in port of prints. And like, you can kind of just like feel it, you know, like the presence or whatever. And I just remember walking and there's this old lady sitting on this tabletop, like literally like crisscross applesauce. Yeah. And she's just staring at me. And like, you just knew. Yeah. Bad juju. This was scary stuff. Um, so I'm excited to hear about your story. Yeah. They so the kid that we went to get out, it's his story is insane. The kid was 19. And he's like, I'm going to Haiti. Like they his family had gone, you know, years prior before I got really, really bad. And you know, when you think about, you know, think about all of us at 19. It's like, I'm gonna go serve the Lord and Haiti. Like dude, balls, man, this any loves the Lord, ended up marrying a Haitian woman, Mika, she is just phenomenal. And they had a kid. Well, they were trying to get out and could just nothing was working out with like the state department, all these things. It was just chaos. And they'd been trying for a while to get them out and get the paperwork done for Mika. So they reached out to the org. I was working for project dynamo at the time. And what years is this? 25, I think it was 25. Okay. Honestly, okay. So I may be a bit, as I talk, I may be a bit fragmented in some of my memory. And because I got hit by a truck four weeks ago, telling us up. Yeah. So just so everybody knows spiritual warfare. At least you have an excuse for just fragmented. I've been blown up a lot, you know, lots of head hits. So what's one more TBI? So I submitted the transcript for the book and got a call that my mother-in-law had fallen. Ambulance came. She wasn't able to get up. Ended up having a broken arm. And then five days later, my father-in-law and my daughter and I went up to Ohio to do a little bike trip up there. Goba, which I would recommend everybody go on Goba. It is a fun. It's so fun. Goba is a bike trip where basically you bike between towns. You camp. They have a route set up. Oh, very cool. You get hit by a truck. Yeah. Which is funny because my wife grew up doing it with her dad. And she's done rag-brie across Iowa, Florida, Kansas, Ohio. Never had anybody hit by a vehicle. So you know, I'm the lucky one. You are. You know, I'm one and a million you could say. So when we were up there, I was all I all I remember is biking up this hill. And the next thing I know I'm I'm face down in a ditch. So so scary. Yeah. And like the bike was trashed. I mean, just frames bent like it might how much totally cracked on the one side. And my short term memory was just done for like the next four days. And so it's been like just trying to recover from the TDI. But so I apologize for any like stumbling or fragmentation. But with Haiti. So Zack's mom reaches out to us. And she's just kind of like at her wits end, right? They're trying to get this done been trying for a long time. And God just worked it out. Man, that's over the next month. We got everything. Everything just kind of fell into place. And we flew into Cappation. I coordinated some things with this company out of the DR. And that was the to get the helicopter. And so we were able to grab the helicopter. They flew us about 45 minutes to St. Mark landed in the compound. And you know, us not thinking we had bags and stuff like that. He's like, well, obviously, there's a weight. You got to take weight into account. Yeah. So and plus with the take off, like it wasn't a big area to take off in. And the pilot was awesome. He was like an old Venezuelan military pilot, like just cool dude. Yeah. So we're literally just shucking stuff out of our suitcases, giving them to the people on the compound. He was working for Y-Wam. So we take off and he's like, well, we did not know this me and James who are in the back was Ak and Mika and the kid. But Mario is up front. He's here and he's talking to the pilot. He's like, it's either the electric lines or the tree. We're hitting the tree. So I have a video of us actually taking off and just slicing that tree. I am not happy at this point. So like, and then that 45 minutes back to cap Haitian, that engine is not the same. And I'm just like, Oh, God, please, please. So get there. Lots of prayer landed. Go through the process. We grab the plane and you can't just go directly from Haiti to the DR, right? So we go, we do what we need to do. And it was a couple hours out. Then it was just a couple hours back. No problem. Well, I look up and James is in the front seat because he's the tallest of all of us. So he's got to have the leg room. We're a little piper Aztec and I see the GPS go. That's not supposed to happen. I just put my head down and I'm just, I am just like, I'm in my Bible. I'm studying Greek. I'm listening to worship music. I'm just praying and because I'm looking up and I see James face and it's just like not like he does not look happy. And when it up happening, we lost two of our three GPS's. We were down to just the dude's phone. A bunch of the instruments just like, dude, you could feel the warfare around the plane. It was so insane. And I think part of it was because of the testimony that Zach has, you know, is this 19 year old kid that goes and does ministry in Haiti. They're having impacts. It's pretty incredible. But what we didn't know as the pilot is trying to fix the instruments, we're also slowly rotating 90. So we're almost 90 degrees and James realizes it. And so just so happen. And for those that are just listening, I'm using air quotes here. James is a pilot. So he was able to take over flying. And he's the only one in that time that connected to the organization with dynamo that I was in that could fly. And it just so happened. He was on this trip and in that front seat. So he took over flying so that the pilot could do what he needed to do. And what was terrifying to us is that the sun had gone down. So we didn't want the sundown. Could you got mountains? Yeah. At one point we wore off course just going over the ocean. So when we finally landed, it was like, kiss the ground. Thank you God. And that's kind of the story of Haiti and what happened with that. A lot of lots of warfare. And then post there was tons of warfare once we were in the DR spiritually, you know, just satan trying to negate the things that you're doing. So there was a lot of prayer with that. But you know, just one of those things that God got set those things in motion, you know, for whatever purposes. And we've seen fruit from that, which is just absolutely incredible to see. You know, that's one of the things I love when when I was retiring out really hard time for me because I got medically retired. God has a really interesting way of answering our prayers. So after Afghanistan, I went to the schoolhouse. I volunteered to go to special warfare center in school because I trained other nations. I bought another nations. I want to train former future green berets that are going to go train or go serve alongside my friends, right? So do I want some guy I don't know training them or do I want to go do it? And I wanted to sew back into the regiment because I love the regiment man. And ended up happening. I didn't get the job that I ended lined up for me. I got stuck in an office job for a little bit because it was getting rebuilt and the Sergeant Major knew me. And so he's like, hey, I want you here for now. I know it's not what you want. I'm like, okay, cool. But God worked that out because in January of 14, I was at my sister's wedding and I saw a commercial for St. Jude's Children Hospital. And I was like, do my heart broke. I'm watching these families, these kids, you know, I, you know, obviously with having lost the two pregnancies. I'm like, God, I just, I want an opportunity to witness and minister to people with cancer in their families. But I didn't know at the same time was my wife in a prayer journal was asking God to use her given new testimonies. and through two weeks later she got diagnosed with leukemia. There's a whole lot to that leading up to that that night prior that God was doing. They're just insane Obviously um about midnight. I couldn't sleep. She was a PRN working newborn nursery NICU and That about midnight as I'm praying for peace for her God just kind of says a go look up Francis Chan like I've heard of this dude. Okay cool. I look them up on YouTube The first Video was called if Jesus was your pastor. You probably wouldn't go to his church. Mm-hmm The whole video was about counting the cost Have you counted the cost to follow Jesus? What if Jesus walks down this road Walks down the aisle in our church and says hey follow me and we walk out there's a hill full of crosses Have you counted the cost or what that actually means? So Five o'clock my wife walked herself down to the ER 8 a.m. She got diagnosed Well, so we had to walk that at UNC Chapel Hill and then It was where her cancer ended up being worse. They're like hey with your mutations. You got to go to MD Anderson You're gonna get a bone marrow transplant and I remember man like You know as a husband world husbands, right? You give that to me. I will I will I will take that burden like yeah not my like and so You know I'm having a husband. I'm I'm able to protect. I'm able to you know This capable operator you could say, you know Uh, I can't do anything for her. Yeah, I can only pray and encourage and God definitely taught me like dude She ain't yours. Well, she's mine She's a stewardship so Walked that out at MD Anderson and when we did we did ministry we ministered to people we we love people We shared the gospel we prayed with people it was it was a an opportunity to be a light in a very dark place and Uh, you know, I It was an honor to That God found us worthy You know, I get emotional sometimes I apologize, but um, you know, it was an honor that God Found us worthy to be used and to suffer that for his sake so that we could reach others So get back and I go I go to special worst selection. I go to SFPC As far as like being an instructor, I come back. I take over as the oxygen. I come home Syria and Gods like you're done man. You're done like what do you mean I'm done I got seven years on this contract my wife's worth 2.3 million After I stopped counting the bills or when I stopped counting the bills like I I need this and I I want this like I'm gonna take a team. I want to I want to I was an option I took guys over to Syria, but I want to go then take a team So some people said some very very specific things to me and I stopped fighting I said okay God if you want me stay in the military I'll keep doing I'm doing But if you want me out I'm ready. I'll go to ministry outside, but you got to do it because I'm lucked into this contract and the next day I saw the dockies like bro your back is done and Then three weeks later they diagnosed me with epilepsy and I was having up to 80 seizures a day So what I thought was actually what what I thought was optempo and just be entire lack of sleep just years of stress Was actually me having seizures. I had my first major on a night raid to know nine We thought I was just concussed, but I actually called my turp Over in Sweden because he had gotten out After the war he was like I got to get out of here So he went over Sweden and I call him up and like hey man like what you see when I pulled me out of the ditch And I he's like uh yeah, man you were floppin like a fish. I'm like we needed to know that So uh turned out I was actually all those years where I was having these weird experiences was actually me having focal seizures But so God answered my prayer in 18 all the way back in 2009 That obviously was was very very difficult because we You know we Now now I'm not functional right I'd been a caregiver for my wife taking care of her because that's like the recovery for that was really hard No, the one oral chemo she was on just killed her short-term memory for about a year she couldn't go in the sun for two years You know then it's the oh hey you wanted a big family you can't have kids. Oh hey you're a nurse Yeah, you can't be a nurse anymore. Oh hey Like you we think you're going blind because of grass versus host disease and so like all this stuff we walk through then now It's like oh flip now she's the caregiver. She's I'm frying out. So she's helping me get cleaned up. She's helping me get stressed shower all that stuff All right, eat and I'm just I don't remember name half the time and on top of that I was having really bad PTSD from this especially from this area. We all you know PTSD, you know it's just you go through things And you know you get hypervigilant you just All the different things that just occur but for me I'd have nightmares and they were like ah you know I'm pulling the trigger like stupid guns not working. I'm freaking doing what I need to is not working or I'm shooting It's not hitting the people just stupid things like that, but um in Syria me and my buddy My medic he and I worked a we had a lot of kids a whole lot of kids And that was that was difficult a lot of blown up kids shot kids kids scorpion bites and Like you know, I remember this one kid use if and it's he basically his sister and him came in and they Had third-degree burns. He had it over 80% of his body and so We had my medic. We had a Joe from another team medic. Thank God and like we're doing ex-garotomies, you know Really slice the tissue. So because it's expanding so much to help with the swelling They start losing airways and we don't have crack tubes small enough for their throats So dude Joe it was it was awesome He grabs these frickin tunitle-dead compression needles which are for like attention normal thorax And he just throws them into their throats and we get airways and it's like oh my god. I like dude like we're like yes Um lifelike comes in Goes uh use of doesn't make it so get him back and I've got the body and I'm just holding them and uh So I just tell him like man, it's gonna be okay. It's okay. It's okay use And um, it's holding them talking to him So that uh, you know wait for the for the family. So I can give him over or just give my hey I'm sorry. You know apologize couldn't do it So get back from that rotation and then um the uh my nightmares changed and And I was having these nightmares wear and it was like every night on very other night just Kid get shot kid gets hit I'm like running. I'm ripping my med pouch open pulling out my turn of kids whatever and it's my daughter And so you know my daughter's there she's saying daddy daddy. Please just don't let me fall asleep. Don't let me fall sleep I'm like it's okay, baby. It's okay, you know You know just can't save her well, so um you know I'm working on her and It's never saved her just watch her die over over and so that's terrible Fortunately, I went into EMDR. I had a really amazing therapist that uh dude EMDR's phenomenal yeah like So like instead of hearing kids cry like and I get like this just rage like it's like okay I'm sad, but it's like a healthy sad. Yeah EMDR's phenomenal. Yeah, um So but but what God did in the process of that is that he I'd already seen you know with the loss of the two pregnancies the cost of the father from that viewpoint and that even more really solidified that like Just just that that love he had just man like I it's killing me like watching my kid die It's destroying me and I'm I'm giving the pain over him and I'm just trusting him like god This is just but at the same time. I'm just like Man like what was that like for the father like I can't do it's it's so beyond what we can even comprehend The depth of love it's like dude like you love me so much you were willing to watch that and endure that And it's you know if I say if you three it please the Lord to crush him Like we have no capacity to understand what Jesus actually endured Yeah, and what the father went through as well and that's the amount of love that he has for us Yeah, it's nuts. You know, and so I say all that That whole thing comes back to the book why because we If Christ and god the father loved us enough to do all that for us Why are we withholding anything from him in the world Why do we keep back from him this row this belief system that's come about It's got legs. Yeah, I brought up American alchemy They got 900,000 people just on that um that's not including all the people Stephen Greer has reached Chris Bledso has reached they've been on Joe Rogan. They've been on Sean Ryan. They've been on Lex Friedman They're on news nation their message is going out and they are evangelistically fervent They are reaching people and people are listening when Did souls stop mattering to us? There's a quote It uh, I think it's attributed to George Whitfield It says the torment of burning like a livid coal not for a moment not for a day But for millions and millions of ages at the end of which the soul will realize they are no closer to the end Then when they first began and they will never ever be delivered from that place How much do we just not love the Lord Pendulet said it back if you believe that I'm going to a place of eternal torment apart from God, and you have the one thing I need, how much you have to hate me. Yeah. Not to share it. That was a powerful video. You've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. We have to get that back. Oh yeah, it's incredible. We have to get that back in the church. The book is not about the stories. The book is that there's a belief system that has got legs. People are dying. They're going to hell. They're headed to an eternity apart from God. Yeah. I wear this bracelet specifically of the ones that the multiples that I have, because these are the guys I didn't witness to. I'm never going to see them in. They're hurts. Yeah. I love them. Through my brothers. I fought with them. You know, we suck together. We were miserable together. I owe my life to them. I'm never going to see them again. I did not give them the one thing that they needed. Yeah. It's between them and God, but I did not do my part. What is God through the prophets say? If I say to the wicked man, you will die in your wicked ways and you do not warn him, I will require his blood of you. That is terrifying. Because that tells us that God is going to require the blood of the unsaved at the hands of the saved. Wow. If we do not warn them. Now, why all the stories about everything that I went through? Because I'm going to tell you that all through the text, we are promised suffering. It has been granted to you. Philippians 129. It has been granted to you not only to believe, but to suffer for his sake. We, what we are airs, joint airs with Christ, provided we suffer with him. Peter and John left the council and they praise God that they had found worthy to be shame for the name. Suffering is promised. And as John Piper states, we live in the Disneyland of America. Christianity costs you nothing. You go to your Tony Robbins Sunday service. Get your fill. Go back to your life. But in Deuteronomy, it states, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your might." Teach these things to your children as you rise up, as you walk by the way, as you lay down at night. We have got to stop acting like this is something that, oh, I do. And start getting back to the fact that this is who we are through that. It doesn't cost us anything yet. It may not. But what matters is the end of the day, you're going to stand before Christ. And you're going to give an account. And whatever you've done is going to either burn or remain. That's 1 Corinthians 3. At some point, this has to matter to us. And I'm sharing all of this with you guys about what my family's gone through because all of this was an answer to prayer. It's been hard. It hurts. But I will tell you in the midst of that pain, there's joy, there's fulfillment, there's peace. When you are at the darkest moments and you are, you are, your family is struggling because you're watching your wife, your wife, good 25% chance to live. I'm facing that. I've got a 12, 14 month old kid. That number is true of the four that went in. My wife's the only one that survived the transplant. This has cost us heavily. It cost me my cognitive function, pretty heavily for a while. It cost my wife or health. We wanted a big family. Can't have that. So whenever my friends get to have kids, man, I love it. To follow Christ, what's you say? Count the cost. We haven't counted the cost. That's what I love. That's one of my favorite verses is John Sakes. He's talking about the cost of discipleship and you have these groups of people just walking away. They're like, I can't handle that. And then Jesus looks at them and says, do you also wish to go? Like given them a free pass, like full on, you can leave if you want. Not a big deal. You have the choice. Yeah. And then Peter looks in and like, where would we go? Yeah. Like you have the words of eternal life. Yeah. Like it's just like, yeah, I probably want to go. I probably don't know if I can handle this, but it's like, how can I when I know the truth? I know who you are. It's like, I can't do it. Exactly. So if we know that, if we pay lip service to that, why do we not do that in our lives? This whole thing, I don't care if you buy the book. We don't know our Bibles. Only 6% of professing Christians know actually hold a biblical worldview. Yeah. The average American spends three to five hours on social media day. It only takes an average of 70 to 75 hours to read your Bible all the way through. That means that you could read the entire Bible all the way through and still have time left over to doom and scroll. But you know, yeah, there's no your book. There's a systemic problem. I won't call out the place that I worked, but I worked at a Christian bookstore for a period of time and I got in trouble because people would come in and hey, I'm dealing with X. Can you like point me to something? And my manager found out that I'd been taking people to the Bible. We're trying to sell books, dude. They were like, take them to this news. And I was like, oh, no. Yeah, 66 books. I actually got trouble for that. I actually know that I actually worked at Christian store and you had to get people to sign up for perks. And I didn't give it. I was like, I asked them, they say, no, I'm not going to pressure them. Well, your perks, your perks, number of ships are down. So we're going to have to let you go. But the point of this is like, buy the book, don't buy the book. Know your Bible. And the reason that we need to know, there's a couple different things here. One, if you're going to walk this out, you better be willing to say count the cost. And John Piper said at best, when asked, how do I prepare to give my life and die? He says, or how do I prepare to suffer for Christ? Was the person asked? He said, you'd be willing. You make the choice to give up to your life. Anything left is a bonus. So you make the decision. Christ, I'm going to follow you, no matter what. Know the truth. Know what that text says. Why? Because Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5, test all things. 1 John 4, test the spirits, whether they be from God. The Bereans are commended. Why? Because Paul presented them the gospel. This is the Apostle Paul. He presents them the gospel. And it says, these were more noble in those in Thessalonica in that they received the word with alreadyness of mind, but they searched the scriptures daily, whether they were so. So they had an open mind, but they searched the scriptures. I don't know how to test anything. If I don't even know what it says. So no matter what comes out of the government, no matter what manifests, I can't tell you what it's all going to be. I don't know. But what I can tell you is, I know how to test it. Do you? That's what matters. What matters is one, and this is again, what's important to me. First, if the church does not discuss the religion and the beliefs and the nuances of not all the crazy nuances, but basically the belief system that's forming, people are giving answers. If the church does not provide answers, people will go find them. So what are you going to do if people start apostatizing? I've seen it in encounters. Pasoka talks about it, people that were in the faith, and then they had an experience and they did their research and they walked away. It broke their religion is what she says. If I remember correctly, that don't quote me on that. Test me. But you know, so we are having explanations given. Oh, these people in the Bible, they just had a UFO experience and they were just writing it down within their cultural and religious context. Or this non-human intelligence just manifested itself in the religious context they understood. What's your answer to that? How are you going to witness to somebody that's in this realm that's having experiences that's listening to Pasoka and Greer and Bledso and Barber and Jesse Michaels? These are gospel conversations. Yeah, it's going to cost you. It's going to cost you freaking being popular at church. The problem is is that we've got a bunch of Christians that got strong thumbs and weak backs. I want to feel good. Let's get our numbers up. No. The souls of the lost have to matter us. We as Christians have to start caring about what the commission was given. Make disciples of all nations. Preach the gospel. Yeah. Again, I don't care if you buy the book. Don't give two rips. I care that you read this and know what this says. So no matter what comes, no matter what anybody spouts, you know how to test whatever comes and is said. I give examples. I give the overarching narratives. I give methods of contact, all that stuff. All I do is take it and test it against the text. You don't need my book for that. True that. But that's why I wrote the thing. That's why for whatever reason, God decided to pull me into all this. That's amazing. I mean, it's just that you laid it out so well of just like your story and like your background, and like. just dangerous situations and then getting mixed into something that is so prevalent today, which is the UFO stuff and the alien stuff and all that. And that your message is not heard enough of that counterargument of like testing the spirits. And like I just think it's really cool how you you painted it too of just like this whole movement that people that are answering for it are not believers in Christ. And it's like it is forming a new religion. And that's like that's something you don't really think of. You just think it's like all kind of like I don't know it's you don't view it as a new religion, but it is truly turning into a religion of its own. Yeah, that's spooky. And I like how you got into the like how in the Viking where the Viking say if we were talking about dealing with entities and they presented a certain way and then after something happens, the entities get smart. They're like, okay, like yeah, can you tell us about that chap? Yeah, so the Viking is a guy who my director was connected with through some very, very advanced special operations that they were doing kind of the minimal personnel type stuff with approval from very high levels. And so they hadn't really connected on this space for a while. The Viking is just the name you've given. Yeah, the Vikings because one, he follows Norse mythology. There are a lot of guys in the military and the police, right? It's why it's warriors, right? We was at when what's his face the CIA director or FBI director, Cache Patel said he'd be in Valhalla. Yeah, like that's one thing we say, right? I know it's but we say until Valhalla, right? Because dude, I get to go fight wars with my brothers every day. Cool. So there's a hunger for purpose, especially within the special operations community man, like I'll be 100% honest, the church ain't ready for that. The church is not ready for men that have made, as my buddy Jeremy says, that have made war. Like we have really feminized and softened the church. We have no place for these people. I can tell, like I know in some churches, for me, fortunately, I've got a lot of SF guys and military guys in my church, like my buddy Tony Tim in North Carolina at Rockfish. They've got a lot of Cag and SF guys. But you know, the majority of the church guys go out and there's no place for them. But with the Viking, he is actually a follower of Norse religion. And he was doing some of these things for different departments. And then obviously on his own, he was also doing it. Sometimes it was meditative. Sometimes it was through DMT or ayahuasca. He would go on these trips to gather information. And I mean, you can check all this stuff out. It's open source. You look at stargate, sun streak, that stuff. Like I'm not giving you anything that the government hasn't released. So he was doing these things and he's got no religious background to provide context. And he states that the entities he's meeting are called they'll mullik and ishtar. So he's like, you know, we hear that. We're like, Oh my gosh. Oh crap. Like, okay, this is this is very not good. And he has no context. No context whatsoever. He's just, well, it's kind of like the people that do DMT, right? Why, what is it that's terrified some of the people actually working it? These people keep having the same experiences and meeting the same entities. Yeah. Well, that's kind of an impossibility if it's just in your mind. Right. So when it comes to this, he's having these experiences, the problem was that it started to manifest outside of just those experiences. They had a mountaintop property a few hours from me. And they're, as I was talking to him and his wife, they were definitely kind of like not doing well. And four-year-old daughter, according to them, had started speaking like foreign languages. She was telling them things that they should know, things from history, things from the Bible. And whenever that they would say, Hey, how do you know this? She'd like, Oh, the snake, the sneaky snake from the garden. Oh my gosh. So, you know, and this is a family that's suffering. So we really tried to witness to them. My director had him down where he was at. And he'd stayed at a person's house. He didn't realize all this was going on yet because they wanted to connect dealing with our platform due to some capabilities and connections he had. That's when he found out what was going on. And that person's stuff was going on crazy at the house. Like the cat died, stuff was flying off the walls. And he's like, you know, he went from this very high level, very just incredible operator to just a shattered man. Like he's, he's looking around. He's like, do you see them? They're there. You know, he's like doing like the bowls for the, the tones and burning sage. And it was all this stuff. And so anyways, long short of it, they, the activity around their cabin got so bad, they just up and left. So we tried witnessing to them and just sharing Christ with them. But unfortunately, they, they kind of wanted to continue down that path because even though they were suffering, they did this weird synchritization of like Christianity and new age and like shamanistic riches. It was really weird. This path, they went down. I buddy on mine actually, because they were trying to sell the property. So they're like, hey, can you go pray for it? Pray over the property. And it's like, well, yeah, heck yeah, man, because I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know. If you're going to sell it, I don't want people walking in to have to experience anything. And Odin just sitting in your yard, right? Whom do you claim? But so we go up, me and my buddy, and we get out of the, of the vehicle, and we, and dude, it was just like this wall. That is the only way I can describe it. We hit the property, walk, and it's just like this wall of darkness that we feel. It's just a force. Yeah, it's just something man. It was like pressure and darkness. It was, it was so deep. And so my buddy looks at me, he's like, do we got to start praying now? So I pull out my Bible and I'm just starting to read Matthew. I'm just going through Matthew. And he's like just praying and like in the name of Jesus, we take this. You know, we command you to leave. And the name of Jesus Christ, we plead the blood of Jesus over this. You know, and just going through and so we're I'm walking the property he's praying and he walks over to the wood pile. And he's like, hey, hey, there's something on the wood pile. There's, I just feel like there's something here. And about two minutes later, the Vikings wife hits me up and she's like, hey, just so you know, there's one entity that likes to sit on the wood pile or like to hang on the wood pile. And as they do, as they do, right? And that was, so that was kind of like the thing. And dude, my heart breaks for a man, they ended up like they ended up going like to South America. And now he's actually got hooked up with a shaman. They're building a retreat center. It's like, dude, like like the ayahuasca. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, man, it's just, you know, it's a shock, dude, because it's like, you know, you obviously like, that's their choice. But man, it's just want to shake it too. It's like to wake up, man. Like, but the thing that's so scary to me is you started out like they were, you know, oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I appreciate that. I can't buy a vehicle. You're good. No big day. Hey, look, here's, this is what made me so angry about them medically retiring me with epilepsy because I argued I could go to full auto faster than anybody else. Just problems the aiming. But in that fish, but in that way. But the, uh, so we met him in DC. This is after we had talked with him. And I did pray with him, you know, because you're just you jump anything to try to like, to turn to Christ and turn to Christ. Uh, so we meet him in DC. And we're talking, he looks better. And he's like, Hey, you know, how's it going, man? We're like, he's like, we're good. How are you? He's like, Oh, it's great. I'm talking to Joseph of Avera, Mathia. And we're like, Oh, no, no, you're not. So like, as he was starting to go towards the Christian, but with the synchronization of all this stuff, then they started appearing to him as biblical figures. Oh. And so it's, it's, that's what happened. So again, it's, it's what messages were they giving him? Man, it was information. It was lots of different things. I'll be honest. I don't remember. Yeah. You know, uh, an example, we, we got a guy, uh, down in South America, who's doing some, some stuff on the side for us. And he was in connection with a tribe in Northern Brazil. And these entities were like, you know, appearing to them that are supposedly non-human intelligence. And their message to them was, I'm just giving this example of like some messages people receive. Right. So, uh, this tribe was being told by these things. They were being led into practices to better communicate with them and commune. It was like fasting and different. Other, I don't remember what all was involved. But one of the things that they were saying is like, Well, Jesus, he was real. He was a true person. He was really good, but he was created. So he isn't, you know, he isn't God. So, you know, the thing is that within this space, man, and I will, I will state this, the best way I can describe all of this and the Viking falls into it. There's a flavor for everybody. There's also a lot of complexity and a lot of nuance that is very, very, very difficult to understand. And ultimately, you're not going to have the answers for. But we want our answers. Well, are they Norge? Are they Grace? What's their source? Like, who's working with this one and all that? We dive down so deep. Let me ask you, how does that change your mission? If you know what it is, if you know, does that change anything about my life and my day to day? And what crisis called me to in my operational environment? There's a book that I would recommend everybody read called him using ourselves to death. And what he presents is that with television, and it began with a telegram that people started getting inundated with all of these disparate facts that have no connection to their day to day life. And they are consuming it. So now you're at a constant level of stress because you're seeing all these, because let's be honest, do good thing cell or just chaos cell. Chaos cells. So you're getting all these disparate facts of, oh, this person was murdered on to the next thing. You're getting this lot. And you can see on Instagram, you can just watch people get their faces pounded in, people get killed on X, all that stuff. Yeah. Like you're just getting inundated with all of these things that have nothing to do with your life. And we're consumed by it. And we completely ignore our local population, our local areas. And so rather than actually taking part in local politics, things that we can actually do to affect our environment and our operational environment, we retweet, we make a comment, we make a post. I'm doing something. But the whole point of that is that we are consumed by needing to know. You're not going to know. Don't get sucked in. The purpose of a lot of this, and I view it, and so does my director, from a satanic standpoint, deception is to suck you in. I got to know. I got to know all the details. Again, why are you studying the book of ENOC if you don't know this? Yes, I get where we're consumed by the esoteric and the interesting, but we're completely missing what we're called to do. And all I can do is affect my operational environment. Like all this stuff over here, I have no control over. Maybe I need to be aware of some things, but I cannot put my time and energy into that because it completely pulls me away and distracts me from this. Yeah, that's very hard. I mean, even for myself to just accept that fact of like, you don't, you won't know. Like, there's no need to know. That's hard. That's really hard to accept, you know, because it's like every fiber in my being wants to be like, I want to know exactly what it is. Yeah. And like what it's doing. And like, why is it doing it? And it's like, guys, just like, I think, yeah, he's just like, you don't need to know. Yeah, all you need to know is me, right? Exactly. Yeah. So it's interesting too about the story you told about the Viking. Is that as soon as like you begin to understand what's going on? They're like, all right, switch it up. Yeah. And so like everything you gained going that direction, now it's changed. If you're looking at it from that perspective, where you think you're actually going to figure out an enemy who's been active long before, yeah, yeah, we've been making personally been making war against my buddy, Luke, he's a retired guy. He runs, what's it? What's it called? I can't remember. He's got a bush crafting in survival school in Tennessee. And it's pretty phenomenal. But he had an experience and he was talking to me about this experience. He had as a kid, he says, you know, these things are very old. They're very knowledgeable. They're very wise. But they're also very weak because of the name of Jesus from a little kid these things had to flee. You know, and that that really comes down to the core of all this. All this discussion we're having and everything you guys are doing, everything I'm doing, you got to know Jesus. You have to. What is your calling? What is your mission in life? Who are you affecting? Who are you sharing the gospel with? How are you edifying the body? If you're a pastor, are you, is all of the ministry being relegated to you? Or is Paul states in Ephesians four? Are you equipping the saints for the work of the ministry? Because that is the job. It is not the minister does the ministry. It's like, no, you are called to ministry wherever you are at in whatever capacity. So when it comes to all this, it's ultimately what all of this discussion comes down to. And I will tell you the operational environment is changing. We know that. We can demonstrate that. This belief system is real. People are talking about it and it's got legs. So how do we? What do we need to do differently? What do we need to know? What do we need to start to address? How do we need to change so that we are effective in the current operational environment of this war? We can't ignore it anymore. We can't. We got to just, I think that's one of the main things is like when we're talking about what do we need to change? And I think I'm just so minimalist when it comes to my beliefs where it's just like, it needs to stick with Jesus. And like, I think we just need to get better at explaining who Jesus is and who he calls us to be and who he says we are. Like, that's a big idea. You know, we just look at the youth today. Identity is a huge problem, right? Like just not knowing who we are. And the world around you is going to tell you point your finger in their face and say, this is you, you find this to be, you know, important, right? You know, all these things and this is who you need to be. There's one of my probably like my favorite quote of all time. It says, if you need to build a boat, you don't just drum up the workers, drum up the supplies and slowly just start putting together a boat. You teach these sailors to yearn for the vast and endless seeds. Like, we just teach these people who Jesus was, make them fall in love, like lay it all out there and just like, this is who's madly in love with you. Like, you have a mission. Go do it. And they do whatever the gods got on their heart to accomplish their goal, their mission, their path, whatever they got to do, they're going to do it. Yeah. We just have to lay it out better instead of, I mean, like you said, like you have churches that don't even have places for guys like you that have, you know, it's like, that's, that's who we should be going after. You know, people who are passionate, who want the gospel to be spread at all costs. And it's like, that's we should be empowering these people. Yeah. Identity hits it perfectly. And the reason identity hicks it perfectly is because that is what a lot of guys from my community struggle with. You know, you, you live in breathe, special operations. You're with small groups of guys. You know, uh, uh, Sebastian Munger in, uh, his TED talk, wiseholders, Ms. War discusses that whole thing. He's like, think about this. You're 18 years old. You're going to warfare. You've got dudes. You may not like each other. But I, I'm going to give my life for you. I know I can trust you. I'll give my life for you. I know you'll give your life for me. You go through these crazy, horrible, insane experiences. But you know, you've got each other at the most impressionable age as well. Then you, then you get out in the civilian world. Who's got your back? Who can you trust? That, uh, he was talking about one of the guys that were at, was at Restrepo with him. And this lady asked this kid. He's like, we know, what do you miss about it? It's like, I miss almost all of it. Like I can tell you like, I, I am very comfortable over there. I would go back in a second. I talked to my buddies like, we would all go back a lot of times because it makes sense. It's easy. We got our guys that we can trust. But you really does, even if you try not to, it becomes your identity. As much as I tried not to, it, it, it still becomes who you are. It shapes you. It molds you. So the problem is that guys get out. I'm, I'm not running operations anymore. I'm not taking care of my guys. Hardest day in my life was when I had to walk into the office and say, guys, I'm not going to be with you anymore. I can't protect you. Because that's the thing is that teams aren't, you want to protect your guys. Yeah. You know, you, you take ownership for them. You rob them. They're your kids. And so the issue is is that the only identity that matters and that can truly fulfill is founding Christ. As my Paul says in Galatians, it's no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. In the life I live now, I live by faith and son of God who love me and gave himself for me. Your identity is in Christ. Your job is to die. And then you take that mission set. You put it in a kid or a guy like me and say, all right, here's the mission. They will press it. LeBère free the oppressed motto of the special forces. All right. These people are oppressed. Free them. Give them Christ. Go out on mission. Some of the strongest evangelists and people in the faith that I know are military guys. They don't really fit in everywhere, but they are very on fire for Christ. And they will tell you, my buddy Tony prior, I got a silver star back in Afghanistan called bucket because his head's like mad. He's blind as a bat. And I still wouldn't touch the guy. His hands are like mallets. He came from Oregon logger stock. The guy is just freaking Massive, but you know that was we've had a lot of conversation him and a couple other guys and we just discussed like all the things that we did and how man apart from Christ I don't know how you make it man like because apart from him we're nothing and so when you're talking to the kids your identity is in Christ the world yes the world will try to shape you but that's where I think you know look at the Mormons they're very successful right it's every Mormon kids dream to be a missionary yeah and they are putting us to shame as far as the number of missionaries they have going out in the field why because again we've replicated this environment of comfort yeah right yes obviously we need to take care of things yes you're going to go through struggles so what is the biblical answer how do you work through this in honor Christ what is the text say there was a girl I heard speaking and she basically was raised in a very very fire and brimstone type of environment never heard about the love of God and so what she did to really start to believe like she wanted to feel the love of God she wanted to know and believe that he loved her it took three years and she said what she did is she wrote down all the verses about God's love and whenever she started to feel like that God's angry with her and she hates her or whatever she said she would just pull out those verses and just read and read and read and read and just allow that to transform her mind and submit to it and she's like I don't feel it but I submit I don't feel it but I submit I give this to you God your word says this with kids with special operations with anybody identity your identity should be in Christ that is the only way that you will be satisfied in your identity if I was to tell you I'm a terrible person my buddies will tell you they are terrible people and apart from Jesus Christ bereft of all righteousness and capacity we are not good people we are not good people give the things that we do and have done Paul Paul goes himself the chief of sinners exactly hey so I'm in good company right yeah but it doesn't matter if you're in Christ you're dead to yourself you should be die to yourself allow Christ to live through you living sacrifice man holy and acceptable to God Amen so good Paul you're all pumped I'm going to go shoot some people love are you down for a Patreon episode after this it's like a 30 minute thing sure all right because I want to talk more about we touched on it a little bit but I want to hear more about your take on crisp blood so and stuff yeah man because I have some thoughts on crisp blood so but uh do thank you so much for coming on yeah man awesome go get his book or don't get it or don't get it I don't care get a Bible get in that thing if you don't have a Bible don't buy his book but if you do have a Bible buy his book yeah exactly August 18th it drops is there any other thing that you want to plug kind of push yeah just look guys I love you like you guys if you're Christian you're listening I love you you're my family like we are going to stand before God we're going to give it count you mean so much to me I want you all to hear well done good and faithful servant because when all this burns away and we stand before him what are you going to hear and who's going to be there next to you and if you don't know Christ and you listen to this man God loves you he died for you he sent his son so that we could have forgiveness of sins and be made alive but if you reject that you are headed to an eternity apart from him and I don't want that for you and that's all man hey man you're a man Paul thank you so much we love you guys we'll see you on patreon we do a quick thumbnails we just move the mic and then a couple of expressions straight down