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2026 Prospect Deep Dive, Changing Opinions + WR Context - Dynasty Fantasy Football

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2026 Prospect Deep Dive, Changing Opinions + WR Context - Dynasty Fantasy Football

The podcast explores the 2025 NFL draft class with a focus on evaluating rookie prospects through a fantasy football lens, questioning whether current hype aligns with actual on-field performance. The hosts critically assess wide receivers like Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Neighbors, and Jordan Tyson, noting that while Tyson has high potential, his injury history and limited production in key games raise concerns. Antonio Williams and Kevin Coleman Jr. are presented as sleeper options with niche skills, particularly as slot receivers, though their fantasy value remains uncertain. Omar Cooper Jr. is heavily scrutinized—despite being a top-tier draft pick and championship performer—due to his lack of consistent production and route-running ability, suggesting he may not translate well to fantasy football. Similarly, Ted Hirst, a Georgia State wide receiver, is re-evaluated after learning his coach was a former NFL head coach and he excels in deep, high-percentage routes, indicating potential as a volatile, high-impact player. The discussion underscores a broader trend: fantasy success depends less on draft status and more on real-world production, target volume, and versatility. While the NFL may value athleticism and upside, fantasy football prioritizes consistency and volume. The hosts conclude that this year’s draft class appears weak overall, with most day-two picks unlikely to deliver strong fantasy returns, especially without a clear fit in the modern NFL’s target-heavy system. They emphasize that draft projections and media hype can be misleading, urging fans to focus on film, production, and realistic development paths before making draft decisions.

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[music] Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's dynasty podcast with Borg Betts and a Baller. [music] Love it back! It's Wednesday, April 15th. Fantasy Footballer's dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Cobb Organoni. I'm joined by Matthew Betts and play off Jason Moore. Playoffs! This is more play-in. Jason Moore, right now. Play-in Jason Moore. Thank you. Specific. Specific Jason Moore. Monically you're calling this out. We're recording the day before. I'm going to the sun's game tonight. My Phoenix suns are in the play-in. But by the time this releases, we'll know just how many points we won by. So yes, I guess we are in the playoffs now that we won last night. We'll see. It's a good look for you, Jason. Isn't the playing tournament in the NBA? Look, I know they're doing it for ratings. Because it makes me want to watch a game or two, not that we're talking basketball today. But it's like, come on, man. We all know where this is headed. These playing teams are not going to advance and take down the thunder or the nugget. It's ridiculous. It's a waste of time. It's ridiculous. I mean, look, I've been a lifelong basketball fan more than a football fan. Certainly not as, you know, it's been a minute. I mean, I was a, I was a boy being like, doesn't just everybody make the playoffs? And then they're like, we got to add more. Like, let's add one more. The only thing I like about the play-in and what's fun is that it's like that, that single game. You know, basketball, you've got all these, you know, whatever it used to be, the five game series, seven game series. It just takes forever. The best team always ends up usually winning because it's the best of seven. It's, you know, take out a lot of, there is something fun about the NFL's win and, you know, or go home. Right. Single game, everything. I mean, that's what's so great about like March madness. I don't love college basketball. But the excitement of like, dude, just show up one day and you're the king today. So yeah, the sun's showed up last night and we're fantastic and clearly won so convincingly. And my son was happy as we, as we left the arena. Yeah. That's a spirit. That's how you do it. I will say, Jason, one of my, probably my best NBA memory is that I once went to one sun's game with you. And it was in the NBA finals. And they won and then they never won. Yeah. Yeah. Was that the way they played the box? Yes, of course it was. That's the only time in the modern era we've been to the finals. But we were up to nothing. Which when you're up to nothing in an NBA finals, at home, you win 90% of the time. We opened a wound in all the wound to your Kyle. Let's talk football. Let's talk football. Let's talk football because we are a week away. Really from the NFL draft, which looking at the calendar this year. You know, we look at the schedule of everything we do for all of our shows. It's like the NFL draft earlier than usual. Labor day weekend, which is when most of the drafts happen. It's like different football season. It's going to start on a Wednesday. Like the calendar is a little different this year than what you've been used to. But I mean, a week away. And on this episode, we're going to talk about some players that we've been diving in a little bit deeper. Trying to at least figure out. I think the second round of rookie drafts is still a mystery to me. And maybe it's complete wasteland. Maybe the players that we're going to talk about, they're not going to matter a year or two from now. But a lot of people in the late first round early second round, I think, have players that can move and shake over the next week or so. And I want to talk about some of those guys, some guys that maybe we're changing our opinions on. Some players are like, please. Just please make it to day two. Like that's all I'm really asking for a couple of these guys, especially a running back or two. Like right now, what's the line at best? I know you've been looking at a lot of these overrunners for running backs. I know in the first round it's one and a half, but what would you set the line for a number of running backs taken on day one and day two of the NFL draft? Yeah, for the first round, it's under one and a half and it's like minus 900 or something like that where it's like basically does drawings make it in or not. And the only place has been mocked is Seattle. So it's like a very thin needle to thread. But as far as day one and day two, I could still see it being just those two with your my love and engineering price. Day two going all the way through round three. Man, that would be so, I put it in a two and a half with those two guys being the two and like slight juice on the under. So we'll see, but I just think this class is not highly regarded in NFL circles, which is the problem with if everybody knows that maybe there's a guy that a team falls in love with me, let me have to take him. But yeah, I think it's going to be a lot of these day three guys, unfortunately, for any back. We're going to learn a lot next week, obviously the destinations, landing spots, some guys stocks will rise significantly in the meantime for the final week. I do think this is overall probably the weakest rookie draft class front to back across all positions that I can remember. That's how it feels a week before. There were, there were guys in previous years, even the best, right? Like we talk about these top four picks, the three wide receivers that we know and Jeremiah love those top three picks. I would not put them in the position where they can't be affected negatively, whereas there have been guys in the past that, you know, Malik neighbors was like. It doesn't really matter where he's going to go, he's going to be, he's going to be good enough. It can be heard a little bit, but there's, you know, I don't know if that's the case this year. Yeah, I think it's worth just zooming out every once in a while, comparing different classes and just saying, hey, your 107 or your 201 is not nearly as valuable as it was in years past. So I do have a quick question for us. And this one comes in off of X, and I love this handle. So I got to give it to him. It's from at billbo's underscore baggan, you know, got a love of good reference billbo's baggan. He said put the top three rookie wide receivers. So take lemon and Tyson into the three previous years rookie drafts. So where would those three go for you guys if we were comparing with. I'm just going to include a terror of McMillan and a bouquet from last year. The year before we had three guys in the top 10 Marvin Harrison Jr. Malik neighbors, Roma Dunes, and then just for the sake of it, I'm going to throw in JSN. He went pick 20, but he was widely seen as the best wide receiver in that class. So if you were putting all those guys together and adding in this year's class, where would you rank them? And let's strictly try to stay with their college production profile evaluation because obviously with JSN, we're going to be like, well, he's awesome. It's hard. You have to take that part out. So bets. I'll let you start the conversation. And then Jason, if you want to weave in the Felix model here, we can do that too. Love me some good Felix modeling. I think for me, and like you said, it's hard to take. Take out what's happened with these guys in the NFL, which is kind of the question is like when they were coming out of school, how do you view? Cardinal Tate McIleman and Jordan Tyson relative to the names that you just mentioned. And I think for me at the top, I put Marv as a prospect. I mean, he was largely viewed as like, can't miss top five pick. Like we haven't seen a wide receiver like this in years, like that was the talk about Marv when he came out. I have neighbors after that. Then I had JSN, then I had a Tatoa McMillan. I was not as high on room. I didn't say as other. So I had room behind those guys, then Ibuka and then the three from this year's class. So I've actually got all three guys in this year's class below all the names on this list. We are darn near as you're talking. I'm just like, yeah, Marv was Marv was my number one if we're just talking prospect. Obviously he wouldn't be now, but mine went Marv neighbors, JSN, Tatoa, so same, same top four. Then I would put Tyson and lemon, then Rome, Ibuka, and then Tate. And this is just as a prospect and only considering fantasy football, not just like is he a great wide receiver for the NFL or you know, going to help your team. But is he going to score fantasy points? Yeah, I feel like Marv and neighbors kind of feel like a tear of their own. JSN was somebody that we really liked. The only question mark going in was there's a year of not seeing him on the field, but obviously his sophomore year was one of the best you can find what comparing production profile. So Marv neighbors, JSN, I feel like are in their own world here. And I would have valued them in those drafts as a 101, 102 type pick, depending on the running backs that went there, but I was so a doons a tough because we traditionally talk about players that are jump all guys and we I feel like I'm maybe the one that's the most harsh, maybe you guys can jump into, but I just I always punish those type of players where I'm like, I just don't see that translate in the NFL. Where McMillan kind of showed a little bit more versatility at Arizona, so would have had McMillan ahead of him. I probably would have had Tyson next. So that's probably where the biggest discrepancy is on our show, compared to the consensus out there, where we're seeing in a lot of conversations online of like teams really like Tyson or this team is scared off by Tyson and he's barely a first round pick. Where he seems to me, if we're just comparing all these wide receivers, like he makes sense as a top 15 NFL draft pick, regardless of the speculation of injury, we could have made that same exact argument for JSN, right? Well, he was injured and therefore we're going to deduct him. My question for you, Betts, a year from now, are we going to care at all about this injury stuff with Tyson? And in hindsight, if he aggravates his hamstring again, yes. But like, I feel like I don't want to double count this right now in this season. - Yeah, I think it's tough. I mean, obviously like the lingering hamstring issue that goes back to this past football season is definitely a concern. I wish that his camp would come out and kind of tell us like, it's just, it hasn't healed the right way and it's really bothering me and I'm having setbacks or it's like, hey, this is a new kind of re-injury because that would provide context around the whole situation but they've just kind of been quiet about it. He does have that workout we talked about with Mike, this Friday is his workout for NFL teams. But when you look at the label that's thrown on him, like, oh, this guy's injury prone, you know, durability concerns all that stuff, I do think it feels a little overblown just based off of the fact that he had a significant multi-ligament injury with his ACL as a freshman came back from that showed he could recover, showed he was productive and then people are also saying, like, I broke his collarbone too and they're throwing that in the equations. Like, any player on any play can break their collarbone if they just fall on the right way. So I, I definitely am concerned about it. Like, obviously you have to factor it in but I do think there's a possibility that we get to like late July, August and this guy's kind of ramping up. Like, he's good to go and he's productive and in the year we're like, man, that conversation was silly. It's funny you ring up the J Ascent thing, right? Because he missed so much time during his final year. I don't know how you state because of the hamstring. Now, he did test like when he was supposed to so that wasn't a lingering concern into April. But the fact is there were still some NFL teams that were like, hey, you know, this guy missed so much time his final year, you know, or should be worried about that. Is this, can we knock him in his overall profile? And so I could see NFL teams doing the exact same thing. But yeah, it's a convoluted conversation. Like I said, I just wish Tyson's camp will come out. I'm kind of explain more about this hamstring. They're just kind of sitting us in the dark here until we get to this workout on Friday. - So, Kyle, you said I could weave in a little bit of the Felix for those of you that don't know or are newer to the show. I've been developing a prediction model for rookies for prospects coming in. And it's a work of progress. It's not out for the public yet, but this is interesting 'cause I haven't done this yet. I have not gone and looked at this year versus how do they stack in? And what was the order of those other guys? Because again, right now the Felix score is using projected draft capital for the current wide receivers. So this will change on these guys. They could drop, I don't think they could go much higher because right now they're projected with pretty darn good draft capital, but maybe they, maybe they surprised. My number one would actually be JSN. JSN would have been number one ranked in the Felix model, which she might be the number one actual. Number two would be Malik neighbors. After that, then Marvin Harrison and Lemon would be tied then Ibuka, then Rome, then Tyson, Tate, and Teteroa would have actually been lowest according to my Felix model. - And that's a pretty good list, like in terms of order. And even I'm looking right now at the model, Jason, like it still gives McMillan a good score. It does, it's not like it's like-- - Yeah, all these guys are, I mean, McMillan was 87th percentile, which is good, everyone else is 90th percentile or above. - Yeah, and I think some of the stuff, just to peel back the curtains, like Jason doesn't want to reveal stuff unless it's like really tested, really matters, really like thought out, like I think across the board here at the footballers, we're not just gonna throw something out there, if we haven't done all this stuff behind the scenes and it's really valuable for people. So because you've been doing this for a decade, Jason, this is a part of our process that's kind of, I mean, we've been doing this behind the scenes, you know, looking at different metrics, what matters, what doesn't matter, but never putting it all together in one place. Like that is a massive project. And I think going forward in the future, it's gonna, it's gonna be awesome. Like it's gonna be a piece of the puzzle. It's not gonna be perfect, but it's gonna be a big piece of what we do. - I hope so. I hope it'll work out this year and we'll find out a lot more information as we go. But so far when I look back at things, I'm very excited. I think it would have helped us find some diamonds in the rough and helped us avoid some poop in the diamonds. - Pooop diamonds. - No pants. The pants weren't on. That's why you can't poop in the pants. That's the problem with that. They were never on. All right, final question with this group here. Because we went through our order, we kind of talked through it. And I feel like the name that we kind of all skated around was like, ah, what? Carnaltates near the bottom of this list for all of us. And I pretty sure he's gonna be the first wide receiver taken of this group. So any final thoughts, I know we're a week away, things can change, but like as of this recording, bets, where are you out with Carnaltate? - We joke about it. It's like, you know, depending on the day, he's wide receiver, one or wide receiver, three. For me, I've said this before. If I was an NFL team, I would take Carnaltate first. It's so hard to find in today's game, a true extra receiver who can win down the field. That's a good route runner that can do all those things that has his background coming from Ohio State. So I understand why he's highly covered in the NFL. But like we've talked about just for fantasy, which is the show we are doing, it's like, give me the guys that have shown they can earn elite volume, which is what matters in the game that we're playing. And McCyee lemon did that, Jordan Tyson did that, and Carnaltate, I don't wanna say never did that, but never was asked to be the guy. And so I just, I don't know if he can be the guy. I hope he can, NFL draft capital says he probably can. And so for me, that's why I lean lemon and Tyson for right now for fantasy, but if the Tyson injury stuff is real and he slips really far, and then I felt as love McCyee lemon the way I do, like I'm willing to change my opinion in a week based off what happens, but as of right now, I do have some reservations that Tate might not be as prolific for fantasy as maybe the general public thinks. - Jason, he's your wide receiver three of this group. You still, I mean, honestly, that's the first time I've ever heard Betts so eloquent and makes sense. Now, everything Betts said was really, yeah, was really perfect. I mean, it's exactly my thoughts across the board. He very well might be the best wide receiver. It's a matter of target domination. He has never done it. He didn't need to do it. You could argue he's never been the best wide receiver on his own team, but then you're coming from Ohio State. Like, that's almost impossible because, you know, you're cranking out first round wide receivers every single year. So it's TBD there, you know, they're all in the same category. I wanna find out destination and landing spot here. - Yeah, so far he's met with the Titans, the Giants, the Browns, the Commanders, the Saints, the Chiefs, all the teams in the top 10 basically. So, this guy's going in the top 10. - That's where we'll go. - Yeah, it's gonna happen. Let's hit Quick Break and then we'll get into some other players. (upbeat music) All right, so if you're one of those people that you've gone through the UDK, you've gone through the Dynasty pass and you look through all of our rankings, you're like, "Man, you guys have spent a lot of time talking about Tate, Tyson, Lemon." You've talked about Jeremiah Love. Who are some deeper names in the class that we can kind of look at in our rookie drafts? We're gonna talk about those today. (upbeat music) - Hey, rookie, welcome to the NFL. (upbeat music) - So this is gonna be a little bit of a discussion where I name a category and then three of us will name a player and we'll kind of bat it around. I will say some of these guys have to thread the needle for the NFL draft in the right scene. You know, the right team, the right situation, be like, "Okay, this is definitely gonna hit." I was thinking back where Skymore went a couple of years ago where it's like the production was there as final year. He goes to the chiefs and we're like, "Yes, this is exactly what I wanted. This confirms what I wanted." And in fact, the chief system did the opposite for him like earning targets. And you could say he wasn't good enough but it's been really hard for chiefs wide receivers not named Tyree Caleb or she writes to really, really be impactful. So landing spot is gonna be a big question but the first category I have is the shooting star. A player that you are rising on that we haven't highlighted a ton in our early shows but you wanna bring them up right now and that's how it will start off first. - Yeah, the guy I'm gonna talk about is Antonio Williams, a wide receiver at Clemson. So I wanna caveat this with kind of the general view of the wide receiver class. And a lot of people have said it's very deep but I don't know that it's that strong. Like the NFL thinks it's strong because there's gonna be a lot of guys taking on day two but as we've talked about on our show just as the course of the spring and you know, late winter, like there's so many guys that you can just be like, "I don't know if this is gonna work in the NFL." And that's kind of the case for all of the day two picks generally speaking where I'm coming from. So when I'm looking at that group of guys and I'm saying, saying, okay, who's gonna go and like the second round of rookie drafts maybe early third? They're like, I could see it because of what they did early in their career. And Tony Williams is one of those guys. Comes in as a true freshman, leads the team and receiving. And that to me is like kind of just a sign of like, this guy's probably pretty good at football. You know, like maybe he's not the most dynamic player in the world. Maybe he's not the best perimeter wide receiver 'cause he played a lot of slot, which in today's game does ding him quite a bit. But I just look at a guy who came in and dominated his team, you know, right away. It's like, maybe there's something there. He also had a season in 2024, two years ago. 75 catches over 900 yards, 11 touchdowns. Like, there's production here that says, he's probably decent enough to earn out a role. Is that fantasy relevant? I'm not sure. But he's a guy that averaged at least 2.05 yards to run in three straight seasons to close his college career. And I also kind of was going back and watching him one more time before today's show. And looking at the way he played in 2024 and 2025, his career slot rate in college was 78% per PFF. That is a yellow flag to me. But when I look at his final season, it was like 90%. So that's doing a lot of the heavy lifting first career average. Just a season ago in 2024, he was on the perimeter on 40% of his staff. So I'm just left kind of asking myself, like, is there more to this player than what Clemson was able to develop with him? Which they have not been developing players at all in the last like four or five years. Clay Clubnick really disappointed. Davos shine of college football has worn off. They're just not competitive. So I just wonder, like, is there more there? And when I went back and watched him, like I felt a little bit of like, Jaden Reed excitement for him that I had to when Jaden Reed came out. He's an interesting comp 'cause Jaden Reed obviously has a lot of issues getting on the field into what are he resets. So maybe this will all be a mute point, but I just think for where he's gonna go in rookie drafts, like to me, he's a guy that I'm willing to take a shot on, maybe mid to late second, early third, something like that. Again, I see a path where this definitely doesn't work, but I just like him, I think more than consensus is the way I put it. - Yeah. - So that's Antonio Williams. I'm just curious, what kind of point was it that was just made? Did you say it was a mute point? - Did I say that? - You did say it was a mute point. You idiot. You're right back. It's a moot point dummy. - Moot versus moot. - She's not watch that episode of Friends. - Not before this, I didn't. - Come on, man. Now you have homework. It's. - Oh, jeez. - What, maybe. - Antonio, I'm gonna pack my things. I do, I want to add this to Antonio Williams because you saw some Jayden Reed. I think in our player comps we gave in the scouting reports, he's a diet version of Christian Kirk, who on the field sometimes you're like, is this like a really elite athletic player? You're like, I don't know, but like earns targets. And was a starting slot wide receiver who got a second contract, had a wide receiver 11 season. So it kind of depends on where he lands. What was Christian Kirk? Cardinals took him in the second, I believe, somewhere around there. - Yeah, something like that. I mean, he's had a good fantasy football career. - His career was Christian Kirk. You'd be like, this is a home run pick for Antonio Williams if that's who he is. But it'll be interesting to see where he goes. Right now it's kind of like, he's third round pick somewhere in that range. So. - Yeah, yeah. I've got a later guy for you. More of a sleeper. I don't expect him to. - It's a fun name. - Yeah, I don't expect him to just completely go out and dominate the NFL and be Antonio Brown. But Kevin Coleman Jr. is a fun prospect to watch. He's a little undersized. His play speed is pretty fat. I think he was like 449, not like a burner. But when you watch him on the field, they put the ball on his hands. They give him some carries. They have him on punt returns, led the team in receptions. And by the team, I mean like there's fourth team in four years. He likes, he's going to a fifth team in five years now when he goes to the NFL. But he is someone that percentage of their team targets and yards, it was an important player, a target earner, seemed a little special with the ball in his hands. I will say when I was scouting like, he smoked and made fools of the real bad competition. Like he looked like, oh man, they can't catch him. And didn't do it quite as much on the better athletes at the bigger programs. And so I do wonder going to the NFL if the cool little jitterbug get open type of stuff will work as well or not. He projects to be a slot wide receiver. Just someone that I think could be a chain mover and is just a fun prospect, a yak guy as well that makes the most of his opportunities. And really it's one of those, oh gosh, we got to keep, we got to keep getting the ball in this guy's hand. I love a player where it was like third downs is like the team knows where they want to go. The defense knows where they want to go and then still finds them. Really good hands. Really tough guy for us. Like I think he's like 179, not a big baroutish tackle breaker, but he sure thinks he is. You know, he's like, he is not afraid. I feel like every single play, he is up in the face of his defender. He makes a play and he gets up and he gives like two quick barks. It always looks like he's afraid of getting a flag after that, but he gets up and he's like, he says something. He says at least your mom are these guys immediately when he gets up. And look, for every Larry Fitzgerald, there are 20 Diva wide receivers. And so give me a little, a little Diva, a little dog in my wide receivers. And I see that in Kevin Coleman, Jr. I realize who he is to you. This is a tank del guy. Yes, I mean, he's got a lot, that's funny because that is when I watch him, I see a lot of tank del. I don't think he's got the, I don't think he has the crisp, clever, creative routes that tank del had, which is really what made him special in his transition to the NFL. But outside of that, the play style, the body type, the attitude, yeah, it's a lot of tank del, which I guess I did like tank del. Before I move on, I do want to point out, you mentioned he's got the dog. He forced per PFF 18 mistakles last year, 26th year before. So for a smaller guy, I mean, that speaks volumes. Yeah. Yeah, in the last two years in the SEC, Mississippi State, Missouri this past year. Cool story, by the way, of just like him coming from high school, went to Jackson State with Travis Hunter and then ended up on four teams because things changed over. I think that's the part, as we're learning these stories of these players, when they transfer, there's NIL money, there's also changing coaching staffs. And there's, you know, all these other situations that like do cause these things. But in high school, he was a baller big deal. We'll see if he ends up a slot. I feel like all three of our answers here are slot wide receivers in Tonya Williams, Kevin Coleman Jr., and I'm gonna bring up Skyler Bell of Yukon. All three players of like, okay, it could work in the NFL as a team starting slot wide receiver. And then the question for all three of those guys is are they gonna be on the field in two wide receiver sets? And I think we're all like, probably as a rookie. No, it's probably not gonna happen. But Skyler Bell, he was the first consensus all-American in Yukon's history. And just to put his stats, his production monster stats this past year and the year before. The only three wide receivers with at least 1800 receiving yards and 18 touchdowns over the past two seasons. Jordan Tyson, Jeremiah Smith out of Ohio State and Skyler Bell. It's a pretty cool, cool list. I don't know if he has a full route tree and Dan Berger had the stat. He has as many drops as touchdown catches in college. So it's not great, but I actually think that he is somebody that can't contribute and tested pretty well at the combine. So he was at Wisconsin, then at Yukon. Got offered a ton of money from a ton of different places, stayed at Yukon. So he's probably gonna end up on that same conversation as these guys of, if you make it in round three, can he be a starting slot wide receiver? So in the second round, he's somebody that I have circled. And that's, are you, we talked about Skyler Bell, are you interested at all? - I mean, I'm kinda like you, like I'm interested, but I have obvious concerns. I will say, I think he made himself a lot of money by staying at Yukon this past year 'cause it's like if he goes to Michigan, their quarterback play was a train wreck this past year. If he goes to Indiana, like he said, I mean, he's competing with guys who are gonna get drafted this year, no Mark Cooper and Elijah Srot. So I wonder if his production by staying at Yukon in the long run was a really good decision by him, but yeah, I mean, he's a fun player. These are the kind of guys though that I was getting nervous about when like the fantasy community in general kinda falls in love with like the same sleeper type. And like I think everybody can see it with Skyler Bell because we all chase in our game, we play a production and he's got it, which isn't a bad thing. It's just, I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL like wasn't as into him 'cause maybe we are as sleepers, but certainly if I'm happy and hoping to be wrong on that, but yeah, there's definitely enough to like about him to throw a dart in a rookie draft. - You're telling me the fantasy nerds out there don't love that he was number one in the class and targets for outrun and number one in the arts for outrun. - They're all talking about it, and by they, I mean, we. - I mean, he makes my spreadsheets look good. All right, next category is gonna be the lone ranger. This is the player that you just don't get it. You don't understand the love, you're skeptical, you're like, I do. just don't understand maybe somebody else sees something and I don't hate this player. I just don't understand how over the top, everyone else says Jason, you're going to start us off. I'll start us off because I'm going to start us off at the top. He is a first round wide receiver, almost guaranteed. And in some of these like Daniel Jeremiah's top 50, I want to say he was ahead of Jordan Tyson, at least at one point, don't know what it is right now. He's Omar Cooper Jr. who I think is fine. I like him. You know, it's ironic. I'm just talking up about little tiny baby Coleman Jr. about they try to get the ball on his hands because he was able to break tackles. And that's what they did with Omar Cooper Jr. The difference is this guy's being seen as a as a first round wide receiver. And that's what I don't really get when I watched his film. It was all deep shots and screens. That's what it felt like at least this last season, this championship year at Indiana. You know, it was like I can respect that and I can appreciate that. And for fantasy football, it's like, okay, this team said this is a guy we got to get the ball on his hands and let him go to work, let him break tackles and he did that. He did that like crazy. But what that means is that he didn't run a great route to get open and demand a target. It meant that the huddle was like, okay, we're going to throw a screen over here to Omar Cooper Jr. and see what his athleticism does. You know, there was some of this last year with Luther Burton. And it was not like I don't like Luther Burton. It was can he be a well-rounded wide receiver? Can he work the middle of the fields? Can he get open on these routes? How is his route tree? And it was just limited to see now in the first year for Luther Burton. It took him some time, but he definitely showed the flashes later on in the year where I think the skepticism is gone. You go, okay, this looks like a complete wide receiver. That can absolutely happen with Omar Cooper Jr. But I feel like it is an unknown and for a first round wide receiver, that's just that's really where I have like if this was a day to pick. You know, if this was a late second early third round guy where it's like, hey, we can use him on special teams, get him the ball while he develops as a wide receiver. Great. When you're drafting a first round wide receiver in the NFL, I feel like you've got to have someone that is coming in and day one is a starting big time contributor in the modern NFL. And I am skeptical of that with Omar Cooper Jr. I worry that he is one of those screen warriors that really padded his stats and speaking of padding stats, you know, like he didn't have a thousand yards. And he had a game with 207 yards and four touchdowns against Indiana state. They could not stop him. The vaunted Indiana state, the Sycamores, yeah. So when you beat up on someone that much, and then you know, I just go through his, his game logs like, okay, two for 52, one for 40, three for 31, two for two, six for 30, three for 39. You know, he has his big blow up explosive games, which is great talent. You know, he's got that. He's got the athleticism. And so that worries me. I had very similar thoughts with Matthew Golden, where it was like, there was a, a game or two in Matthew Golden's collegiate career that was like it put him through the moon. You know, when you go and you do that in the biggest games, that was in the playoffs, right? It wasn't his game against ASU. Yes. Just dominated and all of a sudden it was like he was everybody's favorite. And I'm like, I don't think Matthew Golden was a bad wide receiver, but I did not see him as if I saw him as a third round prospect, not a first round prospect. That's how I feel about Omar Cooper Jr. as well. I hope he can develop into something awesome, but you know, when you go and you win the championship and you get to play late into the year and have big moments of big games, I think sometimes you can get a little inflated over inflated. And when you get to inflated, you can pop. Yeah, I'm just saying you can pop when you get to inflated. I'm glad you brought this up, Jason, because it almost feels like bad to say anything about Omar Cooper Jr. right now, because everybody, like, I thought it was Skyler Bell. Skyler Bell is like the sneaky, like a trendy sleeper. Everybody had, I've talked to, like loves Omar Cooper Jr. And I like you said, I think he's a good player, but this is not a production profile that we generally see for first round players. And so, and Kyle and I have mentioned this too, like the ebbs and flows of the college season matter so much what you do in your final year and what you do at the end of the final year. The NFL is playing catch up just like we are, you know, in some degree. So they're seeing, okay, I you great season. These guys are all awesome. And all of a sudden, you see the ADP data start to spike and these guys go higher and higher and higher. And like, I think it's still work. I think his game fits today's NFL. I've said that a couple times this whole season. But does that mean he should be taken like 16th overall in the NFL draft or wherever he's going to be taken? It doesn't fit. Is all I'm saying. So I agree. I think there's probably more downside to him than I think the general fantasy community believes. And I think people will just say first round receiver, you know, we saw this magical last season, like this is going to work. I would be surprised if it doesn't, you know, I'm kind of lukewarm in him is how I'd put it. So I'm kind of with you. I mean, it took four years to really do anything. In 2024, only a 20 catches you played in 13 games like this is not a clean production profile by any means. So I'm with you Jason and that take for sure. If you're looking all the way back to January, which is when those games were played, he was seen as somebody going right inside the top 100. So like around the 80th pick. And since then, it has been a steady rise where in February 60th overall, beginning of March, all right, 40th and then right now he's 22nd overall player on mock draft database. Put it this way. What if he ends up being a brown or a jet, will you just go, all right, I would be so happy. I mean, that's the guy like I, there's a couple of players where we know the browns are the jets. They're both going to take a first round wide receiver. And I'm just hopeful that they will take a first round wide receiver with their second pick in the first round. And that it is someone that I think is like, give me Omar Cooper and ends all Boston, like 16 and 24 sound like perfect spots for those guys. Yes. Yeah. And just to be clear, I would love to have him on my NFL team. Like if he was on my, if he was on the Falcons, I'd be like, sweet, this player is a fun player. However, for fantasy purposes, the production profile is not great. Betts, you mentioned some of those things and his percentage and just the type of routes that he ran, all those things. So just at least we wanted to have a pause and I'm glad you brought him up Jason because it's not a cool thing to poke holes in somebody that seems like everybody, everybody just loves. So bets throw out another player. I don't get it with Gurmy, man. I don't, I just don't get it with Gurmy for saying his name for people that are just tuning in. Well, it's Gurmy. I mean, that's, that's what you think. Jeremy Bernard, AKA Gurmy Bernard. Why does he about about Alabama? I kind of feel the way that I felt about Mason Taylor last year, like you guys remember the conversation on him and obviously different position and whatever, but it's a lot of feelings. The NFL shared loves Mason Taylor, like I don't understand. And every mock draft and every big word you look at, it's like, Jimmy Brad is like I locked in second round pick and I, I just don't get it. Like I guess I understand where that NFL is coming from where it's like he will help our team enough because he's good enough things. He's not great at any one specific thing. But when I look at this player for fantasy again, the game we are playing, it's like, this is a guy who in his career averaged 1.90 yards per out run. If you are not doing what you need to do for a game in college every year, we get stuck with these guys where it's like, oh, he'll be better as a pro. It just never happens. Like if you can't dominate in college and you don't have production in college, I just am so skeptical that that's going to work in his final season while playing with Ty Simpson who was going to get drafted NFL potential caliber quarterback. He averaged 1.70 yards per out run like this is not somebody who was able to come in and do a lot of things and produce right away. I think his versatility will appeal to NFL teams and therefore will have value in the NFL. But for fantasy, it's like I envision this guy going at like, I don't know, the 205, you know, in a week. And you take him and I'll sit on your bench and you'll plug him in twice a year because of injury or by week and you're like hoping for flex type numbers. That's kind of what I see for him. So I'm not saying I don't think he'll have a role in the league. I think he will. I just, I don't see a lot, man. It took him four years to have more than two receiving touchdowns in college. Like he just, he never did in college and so those are the guys that we shy away from in the pros. You know, it's funny. I feel like you're, you're really on one other than your mute comment. That was, that was terrible. It was kind of what a terrible show, but the rest of it, you've been doing some great work here. Um, I like, I like Jeremy Bernard, the same exact way that I liked Mates and Taylor. Like when I look at my notes of both of these guys, I like them. And both, both of it somewhat what you're saying, which is this is not a fantasy player. Like this is not a fantasy. It is a reliable NFL pro. My notes on, on Jeremy Bernard, the end of my notes, my like final takeaway is not a super athlete, but muscled up plays the entire field and seems very reliable. An NFL wide receiver for sure, not a fantasy star. like that's that is my notes on him. He's going to be on the field. He's going to play, you know, six years in the NFL and get in his second contract and have a have his games where he gets to touchdown and you hope he was in a lineup or whatever, but he's not, you know, I mean, the truth is most rookies drafted do not become fantasy superstars and and Gurmy does not project to. Yeah. We brought out this stat on the prospect show, but this is the second lowest yards per outrun would be of any player taking rounds one, two, or three over the last decade. So this is like, wow, the other names, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer, Jalen Rager, I mean, it's like it's due to, it's it's really, really bad, but he can help an NFL team and maybe that's why are they playing the same game we're playing, you know, right? Yeah. As Mike was saying, so easy. Yeah, Mike, we had a show a couple of weeks ago, Jason, where Mike just goes, why doesn't everybody just fix offensive line? It's just you just do it like you're just the easiest thing to do. I was going to quickly throughout Mike Washington, Jr. I get why the NFL likes him in terms of see what he did at the combine. I get his physique is intimidating like it's like super intimidating. And then I learned his backstory like his dad is a cop. His brother is a marine and a bodybuilder. It's like, oh, this dude's jack because he comes from a family that's completely jacked. And yet he did not force mistackles at all in college like it's it's really low percentile. He's the worst past blocker of this group. And while we're going to look at his combine is counting a ton. It wouldn't shock me if he was round three or round four, where I think everyone's kind of pushed him up to being like he's the next guy right after, you know, price or he's just in that range. I just don't find his film to match his combine stuff. So I like if he ends up round three, I don't really think it's going to change that much of how I feel about him. And I will let somebody else in my league probably overdraft him. Do you guys feel the same way? I do, which I hate. I hate feeling this way about a guy who has. Yeah. I mean, we've said this before. We said this right after the combine when when it when it was just a hint of a sprinkle of starting to feel like excited for my gosh, it's like, oh, this this sleeper, which is obviously not anymore. He's projected to be the third highest drafted running back, which surprises me. But when you are a heavy running back who runs sub four four, I'm pretty much always in, I'm pretty much always in. And this combine profile is one I want to bet on. And I just have such a hard time, the tape, the production, it's fine. It's mid. It's, it's okay. He doesn't strike me like, he does not look on film to me to my eyes like the athlete that tested at that combine reminds me a lot of AJ Dylan, who I like, AJ Dylan tested like Derek freaking Henry. Like you put those two next to each other and it was like, wait, is this the next coming of Derek Henry? And I was like, I didn't see that. I didn't see that on film. I mean, obviously he's a phenomenal athlete, great athlete. Top top tier, you know, 95th percentile amongst these great athletes, but it just didn't play on film to my eyes. And so that's why you kind of need you kind of need both. But I don't know, destination make a big deal. Obviously, if he ends up going to the Seahawks, you pretty much have to be in for fantasy. That's like the whoever the Seahawks draft at running back at 64 or 32 if they pull the trigger there, you pretty much almost feel like that has to be the RB two in this draft. Right. If they take Rashad Penny, you like Rashad Penny. Exactly. Stop Kyle. That's now you're opening old wounds. I feel like he's the guy that will go, I don't know, 11th overall on your rookie draft because of where he lands. And in hindsight, we're like, that was silly. He feels like that guy. We talked about this a lot with running backs in previous classes, like being able to dominate a backfield is a skill in and of itself. This is a player who played five years in college, which were three of more Buffalo. One was at New Mexico State, then Arkansas. He never had more than 167 carries in a single season for his career average just over 11 carries per game. Like he hasn't been a workhorse in five years despite playing it kind of not the best programs. I just he feels so trappy to me. Like and it's going to be scary if like, see I'll take some and you're like, oh, you don't want my Washington junior. He feels so trappy to me. I'm terrified. That team, if you just think about the context of Arkansas, it's like two of the most athletic players that I've ever tested, tailing green, Mike Washington, Jr. They're two and 10. Like they're the team loss. I think 10 straight of the end of the year. Anyway, let's hit quick break. We'll talk about some more players. We're going to continue talking about players that at this point in the process, we have potentially changed our opinions on. We're willing to state here. Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm seeing this player in a different light. Jason, I can't wait to hear yours because you have poo pooed on this player before. Yeah, I mean, that that's the point. That is, that is the point here is finding players that maybe you didn't like on go one that for whatever reason you had to go back and look at again. For me, it was clearly Giardians, Jadarian price, the second running back for the Notre Dame. Why can't I think that what the heck's the Notre Dame mascot? The fighting errors. Goodness gracious. I'm like, if you say no, it's going to come to the love of your boy, she's kind of like slowly dropped off. Yeah. I don't love. I still don't love him. I had him as my right or the play. Yes, the fighting Irish. I just don't love them. No, the, you know, no receiving work in his profile was the backup. I know people take issue with that. They're like, well, he wasn't a bag of they split series and okay, but you know what I mean when I say he was, he's clearly the running back to not like this wasn't a 50 50 time share and production. These were not equals between Jeremiah love and Giardians. And so really the first go round of watching him, I discounted what he did do well as simply and only being the fact that he's off, you know, that Jeremiah love is off the field. And what he did do well was also, you know, which to me was straight line strong speed. He certainly can run through a hole. And if he has that speed going, when people try to tackle him, he's usually bouncing off of them. And I do love that as a quality. I hate that he did not have hardly any receiving work in his profile. That stinks. You know, and when I look at what is he going to do in the NFL as it translates to fantasy, can he be used around the goal line? Yeah, sure. He could be used around the goal line. Can you have breakaway plays? He could have breakaway plays. I still do have a hard time. When you look at someone who is, I mean, he averaged fewer than 10 offensive touches per game in 24 and 25, both, both years. That's like really difficult for me to take a guy like that and then say, well, look how efficient he was. If you just gave him more work, he would be the best running back ever. It doesn't ever work that way. Part of the reason he's efficient is because he's coming in in situations and times of the game where it's not the same. It really isn't. And so I watched him again last night. I can see the speed. I can clearly admit he's probably going to be the second running back taken in the NFL draft, according to what everyone else is saying. He wouldn't be if I was the general manager, but I'm not a, I'm not one of those 32 guys. So I've risen on him a little bit. I still, I moved him from eight to five. I have very little doubt that after the NFL draft next week, he might be my RB two. You know, the situation and opportunity for the running back position in fantasy is is way more important than the talent. When you're talking about a group of guys that are all about the same talent, you know, once you get Jeremiah love out of there, one of these guys is not just so much better than the others like that you have to say rankings be damned. I'm I'm sticking to my guns because I just know for a fact, these better. That doesn't stick out that way this year like like last year with camp scataboo. There was a little bit of that where it's like, this guy's better than what the NFL saying. I'm going to stick to my guns and have him higher. You know, Jonah Coleman, we'll talk about him later. He's my second guy. He's my favorite. I'm not sticking to my guns on that one. If the NFL tells me they don't like him, then whatever I've moved on. I went through the tasks just to see in the Felix model, where would Jardines have ranked among last year's group and scataboo would have been ahead of him and we're using projected draft capital right now. But like he would have been like the RB eight or nine if he was put in that class. And I think that's part of it. Yeah. That's the big discussion you brought it up earlier. That's the context of this year is that all the running max we felt good. Like, man, you could get Juddkins, you know, even if you weren't at Harvey, guys, like at least you know Harvey had the draft capital to back that up. It's like, he would have been behind all of those guys if we're putting that class. So that's the hard part. I did love this quote. I need to bring it up. And Dan Brugler's the beast. They said that he's humble. He's quiet by nature. And some scouts said he's the type of guy you're okay with your daughter dating, Jardie. There you go. What a guy. That's a positive. There's a running back. You want a lunch-pale guy. You have a daughter. You have a daughter. I don't want my daughter dating a wide receiver. That's true. You kidding me? That's true. I don't want my daughter dating a running back. Hard worker. Question in the dog. Head down. Go to work. Yeah. No, no, no. That's fine. I'll bring up a guy that I think Jason is not into. And that's okay. I initially, when I watched Big Denzel, Denzel Boston, I went in with it with a negative connotation where it's like, okay, we've seen these big ex-receivers that are kind of jump-ball, contested catch guys. That worked seven years ago. It doesn't work anymore in the NFL. And that was my first negative stance when I watched them. So I watched them from that light. And I was like, yeah, I don't know. I don't see it. I'm about to watch them again. Dude, I was today years old when I put together. This has to have been said a billion times by others. But I have not seen it or heard it. Are you kidding me, Denzel Boston? He played for Washington. This is Denzel Washington. This is Denzel Washington right in front of our eyes. And I've missed it the whole time. We did call him my man recently. We did. We got to make more of a thing. That's on us. I mean, it's Denzel from Washington. I like him more now. Keep going. Adjust the ranks. But when I watched him the second time, I appreciated more of his game and that there was probably more to it than I initially gave him credit for. Yes, he is a traditional extracurricular. But there were times when they moved him into the slot. And he was pretty productive after the catch. They also had him returning puns. Not a time, but like a handful here. And it's like. We had for a big guy. Yeah, he was huge returning puns. It's like, if this team thinks he's athletic enough to return puns for us. He's probably pretty good. So now he's getting around one buzz. We'll see. Maybe he could be on the fringe of round one. Maybe early day two. Early round two. But I just appreciated more of the fact that like he probably has a very wide range of outcomes. And I do see the downside. I only saw that first. Now I see a path where it's like. Could this guy be a wide receiver two in the NFL and give you like eight to 900 yards a year and seven or eight touchdowns and kind of be like a wide receiver three in fantasy? Like I could see that. So I'm not saying this guy's going to turn into a dominating player in the NFL. But I do think that there is a wide range of outcomes and I see the positive side of that more now than I did. Like two months ago. Yeah. I think it's painting with a brush that just says he's not just this as a jump all guy. He's also a little bit more. Yeah. The part of town returns stuff is cool. Yeah. It's cool to see a player that big doing something like that. Yeah. It was. I actually liked them. I know I just said Omar and Denzel to the Browns and Jets. That's simply because it's not because I don't like those guys. It's just they aren't the big three. And those teams are going to take someone. And that's where like the projected draft capital goes. Now I might my notes on Denzel Boston. You had some incredible games. Huge touch touchdown threat that could translate to the NFL. I think he's good, but I could still see it not working out. That was like my final sentence, which I think is what we're all echoing here. Yeah. That archetype can fail in the NFL does fail frequently. But I liked I liked the tape. I don't think Denzel Boston is bad. I'm sorry. Denzel Washington. There you go. No, Denzel Washington. It's amazing. Are you kidding me? He's cool. Denzel Washington is one of the greats. We just watch remember the Titans with the kids. And they're like, oh, this is a good movie. Again, I was like, thank you for appreciating this. I want to bring up Ted Hearst. A player that I've changed my opinion on. White receiver at a Georgia state. You hear the word Georgia. And I. I want you to hear what I'm not saying. Anybody, anytime somebody's a Georgia boy, I'm going to bring it up. My initial thought was I don't like this player. So I went back and rewatched it. And I did not know this, but this is a really stupid fun fact. His offensive coordinator this past year was Hugh Jackson. Former head coach in the NFL. That's funny. Was his offensive coordinator at Georgia state. But he tested really well. If you look at 20 plus air yard catches over the last two years. He leads all college football last two years. So he's a big play threat. And he's going to kind of be labeled as that guy six, three, two, six. And if you're looking at the comps of players that have been drafted over the last couple of years, it's like Alec Pierce or at the top. And it's like DK Metcalf, which is in his own stratosphere of athleticism. And I bring this up because if you had told me a couple of years ago that Alec Pierce would have gotten a huge free agent contract. I would have laughed at you just saying that's not going to work in the NFL. That skill set doesn't matter. Can you beat zone? And what I'm trying to find out is that the NFL changes over time. It's not the same thing that worked two or three years ago. And I think the NFL is looking for players like Alec Pierce that can stretch the defenses and that can develop over time. So Ted Hirst will probably be a really volatile player in the NFL. One of his athletic comps was Quentin Johnston. Who was like, was he worth a first round pick? I don't know. But he's really important to the chargers and he's had spiked games. And he's probably a better and best ball player. I think Ted Hirst who has met with a ton of teams is going to end up being a round three pick. And he's going to take some time to develop. But all the buzz I'm seeing and rewatching him is like, I think this guy is going to work for some NFL team. I don't know what his ceiling is. But I think he's going to end up being an every down player in the NFL, which is crazy to say for someone who went to Georgia State. Yeah, his top 30 list. It's kind of interesting because the teams that he's meeting with, like you said, like he's not viewed as one of the top guys in the class obviously. But there's some like interesting and like intriguing landing spots here where it's like, okay, if the Saints pass on somebody early on. Like, they need a wide receiver help later. Could he be that guy? The Raiders Dept chart is wide open. Like the Packer still need help and he's not with them. So like, I'm intrigued, I will say, I'll tell you that you don't have to say you like him. Yeah, I'm intrigued. But the reason that we're bringing these guys up is because they kind of all have a wide range of outcomes. Yeah. All right. One more category before we finish off is just the player that you are excited. But in the back of mine, you are scared because we've all been the NFL draft and gotten to this point and then the player drops in value. My famous one is a Kim Butler, who by the way, the other day Mike sent me a sign, a Kim Butler card. Very nice. Yeah. My kids were like, oh, this is really cool. And I'm like, yeah, I guess he dropped all the way to what the fourth round to the Cardinals and then became nothing. So who's a player that you really like right now, but just in the back of your mind, Jason, you're like, oh no. I'll go quick because I've talked about him a lot is my RB 2. I really like Jonah Coleman. I love his hands. His ability to catch the ball. He scores touchdowns in the NFL. I think he is a true NFL running back, little bowling ball of a man. He doesn't have the break way speed. Didn't test at the combine. Didn't test pretty much at all. And I think that has devastated his draft stock. I think NFL GMs, you know, he was, he knew he wasn't going to test as a super athlete. And so him and his team said, hey, I've got enough film. I've got enough production. I've got it on tape. They can go watch what they can get and they can get something special. That's what they believed. Well, those NFL GMs, it seems like they really wanted that data. And you not testing his hurt your stock a lot. So I just worry he drops today three. If he drops to day three and is a fourth round pick, then I hope he gets opportunities in the future. And I will move on from him and he will not be very exciting. My genuine, genuine hope is that he stays in Washington and goes to the Seahawks and the team that has seen him a lot in person right there nearby. They don't need the combine data to tell them that this is a good running back. And if, if any team really takes him early, I still am holding out hope. He's the second running back taken in the draft, which right now I believe he's projected fourth. And it seems like there's no way it's not going to be Jardy in second. TBD on that. I like Jonah Coleman. I am totally willing to below him like a dandelion went like in the wind and just say goodbye. I will miss you. Best wishes. I hope you have a nice career. Let's hope. Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen. The one thing though that I do. I'm starting to believe that that is going to be the path as well. I think NFL teams will appreciate his competitiveness in past row. I don't know if you guys saw a quote. I think it was from the combine. Somebody asked him about past protection. He's like, the guy behind me is getting paid $50 million. I'm not. And like that's just like a quote where it's like that's why he values past protection so much that NFL team will love. Maybe we're worse casting here a little bit, but maybe I'll keep you going here with running back. I just can't quit the past production and the receiving production from Emmett Johnson. My fear is he's a day three running back who's like committee only with like a specific role and never turns into a guy that gets enough work. But man, just looking at his reception. and share 15% and 19% the last two seasons. That just doesn't happen at running back in college. So I can't quit Emma Johnson's production profile. We'll see. He's not with some pretty juicy landing spots. So like Washington, Seattle, Minnesota, like-- - It's a really great name to bring up because if he works, he works perfect for fantasy. Like his skill set and archetype and what he did in college is what you're-- - He's pranking. - He's pranking. - He's pranking. - Yeah, exactly. 200 pound, three down back that can-- - False of the first round. - Yeah, could happen. I'm hopeful for Emma Johnson. I liked his film. My belief is that it won't translate to the NFL. That's how I have him kind of ranked right now, but I'm definitely hopeful. He has such fun film to me. - Yeah. - I don't know that I enjoyed watching anyone much more than him. - I mean, both of these runnybacks, you just brought up Coleman and Johnson are like, man, they're hovering right around pick 100. And we're like, that's not what we wanted or what we sat with when we first watched the film. And we did our production profiles two, three months ago. And yet, if I'm in a rookie draft and he ends up being around four, NFL draft pick, I'll be like, I'm still gonna bet on this. I'm gonna bet on the receiving work for both of these guys. And hopefully they'll come at a discount if everyone else ignores them. But the problem is, there's so few running backs that everyone's just gonna end up taking them anyways. There's not gonna be really be a discount on any of these guys. So I'll throw out one more player. And Jason, I don't know how you feel about Titans and they are a mystery when it comes to projecting and models and, you know, there are certain players, Brock Bowers, you get the draft capital, you get the production, it's like, okay, well, you don't really have to do as much projecting. I feel like the guys on day two, whether it's Eli Stowers or Max Clares, the one I'm nervous about, that like, I like him. I loved his film at Purdue. And then I just don't know if it's gonna matter at the next level. It's just gonna be another guy. One of his comps, Betts, you're gonna love this, is Kate Oton. And it's like, I love like Kate Oton. - That makes so much sense. - But he's not, he doesn't really matter that much for fantasy. So is that just where Titan is? - Reliable, you do it all. Plug him into the right place. It's like, yeah, you're hoping for like, Dalton, Kincaid production. - I feel like a Dalton Schultz. - Which I feel like a Dalton Schultz. (laughs) - Yeah. So. - I mean, Dalton, it was good last year. - No, I know, but it's like, are you, does he matter for fantasy? I mean, to some degree, yes, but like, no one's winning a championship 'cause of Dalton, Kincaid. - Yeah, and you're tight and only league, sure. But, no, not really. That's gonna do it. Next week, we will give our final thoughts right before the draft. And make sure you head on to dynastypass.com, check out all the rankings, scatting reports, everything else we have in there. We'll talk to you next week. (upbeat music) Goodbye. (upbeat music) - Thanks for listening to the fantasy footballers dynasty podcast. If you wanna take your dynasty skills to the next level, Check out the Fantasy Footballers.com

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The podcast discusses the upcoming NFL draft, highlighting skepticism about the depth and quality of this year’s rookie class, particularly among running backs and wide receivers.
  2. Wide receivers like Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Neighbors, and Ja'Marcus Webb are viewed as top prospects, with Jordan Tyson and Antonio Williams receiving mixed reviews due to injury concerns and production profiles.
  3. The hosts debate whether players like Omar Cooper Jr. and Ted Hirst—seen as high-risk, low-production sleeper prospects—should be valued in fantasy football, emphasizing that NFL draft hype often overstates fantasy relevance.

Summary:

The podcast explores the 2025 NFL draft class with a focus on evaluating rookie prospects through a fantasy football lens, questioning whether current hype aligns with actual on-field performance. , Malik Neighbors, and Jordan Tyson, noting that while Tyson has high potential, his injury history and limited production in key games raise concerns. Antonio Williams and Kevin Coleman Jr.

are presented as sleeper options with niche skills, particularly as slot receivers, though their fantasy value remains uncertain. Omar Cooper Jr. is heavily scrutinized—despite being a top-tier draft pick and championship performer—due to his lack of consistent production and route-running ability, suggesting he may not translate well to fantasy football.

Similarly, Ted Hirst, a Georgia State wide receiver, is re-evaluated after learning his coach was a former NFL head coach and he excels in deep, high-percentage routes, indicating potential as a volatile, high-impact player. The discussion underscores a broader trend: fantasy success depends less on draft status and more on real-world production, target volume, and versatility. While the NFL may value athleticism and upside, fantasy football prioritizes consistency and volume.

The hosts conclude that this year’s draft class appears weak overall, with most day-two picks unlikely to deliver strong fantasy returns, especially without a clear fit in the modern NFL’s target-heavy system. They emphasize that draft projections and media hype can be misleading, urging fans to focus on film, production, and realistic development paths before making draft decisions.

FAQs

The NBA play-in tournament is primarily driven by ratings and fan interest, not competitive merit. While it adds excitement with single-game drama, it's widely seen as a waste of time, as top teams typically advance due to their strength. The format provides short-term excitement but doesn't significantly impact long-term playoff outcomes.

Analysts view the 2024 rookie draft class as one of the weakest across all positions in recent memory. While some players show strong college production, many lack the consistency or durability to translate into fantasy success. Early-round picks, especially in wide receiver, are seen as high-risk due to injury concerns and limited upside.

Jordan Tyson's history of hamstring and ACL injuries raises concerns about durability. While his college production was strong, especially in his final season, analysts note that the injury history has led to skepticism. However, some believe that if he remains healthy and develops over time, he could be a solid late-first or early-second round pick.

Sleeper prospects like Antonio Williams, Kevin Coleman Jr., and Skyler Bell are highlighted for their production and unique skill sets. Williams showed early-season dominance at Clemson, Coleman excels in the slot with great hands, and Bell had top-tier receiving stats at Wyoming, though his route tree and development remain questions.

Omar Cooper Jr. is seen as a screen and deep-threat specialist with limited route-running and target-dominance. His production profile lacks consistency, with most of his yards coming in explosive games. Analysts question whether his college success will translate to a reliable, fantasy-relevant role in the NFL.

Fantasy football prioritizes volume, target dominance, and consistent production, while NFL teams value versatility, durability, and ability to contribute in specific roles. Players like Kevin Coleman Jr. or Skyler Bell may be valued by fantasy fans for their volume, even if they don’t fit a traditional NFL wide receiver mold.

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