2026 Kansas City Chiefs Preview: Roster, Odds & Win Total
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The podcast hosts analyze the Kansas City Chiefs' 2025 outlook, framing them as a "buy low" opportunity with a tough roster. Despite being AFC West favorites, the Chiefs' 6-11 record last year was marked by an inability to win close games, a poor rushing attack, and Mahomes' ACL tear. The hosts argue the roster has glaring holes: the offensive line has multiple question marks, the wide receiver room lacks proven talent, the tight end group is aging, and the secondary lost key starters like Trent McDuffie and Brian Cook. They compare Mahomes' recovery to Tom Brady's 2009 season, noting that even elite quarterbacks need time to regain form, and express doubts about his mechanics and the team's overall "aura." The offseason additions—Kenneth Walker, Justin Fields, and draft picks—are seen as partial upgrades, but the team remains incomplete. The hosts rate the offense around 5.4, defense around league average, and overall as a plus-3 rating, slightly below the market. They plan to bet against the Chiefs in Week 1 against the Broncos and target later games against teams with strong passing attacks (e.g., Rams, Bengals, Patriots), expecting a rough start and potential market overreaction. Ultimately, they see the Chiefs as a team with a wide range of outcomes, not a true title contender this year.
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are your AFC West favorites, Andy. Sometimes when you have a team that underachieves to the degree
that the Chiefs did last year, and they have, you know, a relatively, you know, their rating is tied
to a man perceived as the best quarterback in football.
Who tears his ACL? The next season is a little bit of a buy low opportunity on that squad,
because people are like, you know, what have you done for me lately? You went like five and 11 last
year, five and 12, whatever their record was. And that's not really the case. The respect for the
Chiefs, who went six and 11 last year, excuse me, has not really diminished at all. I think in the
exact same breath where we were talking about how people,
I think, are perceiving the Broncos record last year correctly, which was it was a little lucky.
It was a little schedule driven. It was a little bit winning the close calls. People are correctly
assessing the 2025 season with Mahomes under center as very unlucky. It has been broadly
pointed out that they were unable to win one score games last year, which had been a staple
of the Andy Reid-Pat Mahomes experience to that point in life. So it was a surprise.
And so here we sit now with the Chiefs favored in a very competitive division with clear, obvious holes on their roster.
Like, we just covered the Broncos. We just covered the Chargers, Andy. Is there an obvious hole on either of those rosters?
Like a hole?
On the Chargers?
Either of the rosters that we've covered and of the contenders in the West.
The offensive line right now for the Chargers.
Okay.
And I think, and if you want to. I wanted to point out negatives on the Broncos. It's like, Nick's probably isn't that good.
You know, he's still, he's still just a mediocre quarterback who looked really good in a good
system. And that the defense, defenses are hard to, it's hard to keep a top five defense
year after year.
Yeah.
Aggression comes for everyone. So, you know, the, but those aren't like huge gaping.
Showstoppers.
You know, unless, you know, unless Slater's fucked and then the Chargers might be in a
little bit of trouble.
Yeah.
I think the kind of the point I'm trying to make though, is that like broadly, those
rosters are pretty complete.
Yeah.
No, very good rosters.
The Chiefs rosters, very much not.
And nobody's really kind of taking that seriously.
They're just kind of assuming that Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahomes may be more even
so than Andy Reid, will elevate all of these pieces to minimum.
slight favorites in this division which i find pretty fascinating yeah they've they've been
trying to fix the same holes for a few years just wow you know the it's been the what's the tape on
the the water tank the flex that you know offensive line and corner um as they just continue to try to
solve those issues for and then you know you had the disaster i would have said we can't win those
games the bros who you know well wide receiver as well yeah but the bros who just made a bunch
of money always betting on mahomes late when they were down yeah for a couple years gave some of
that money back like oh why didn't they win that game they also in that game it's like it's not
gonna it's not a gravy train that lasts forever bud yeah um i'm i'm definitely uh i definitely see
process failure with this front office
they put a lot of assets into trying to address the offensive line and wide receiver room
and to me it doesn't look like it's clearly born fruit they have some they have some new line they
have some warm piece you know they have they hit they have some hits like just don't get me wrong
i would say is your best center in football um your mileage may vary in your opinion of josh
simmons um but he surely clearly possesses talent if he chooses to play um the wide receiver room
it doesn't look like there have been many answers found um the tight end room continues to age out
of relevancy one of your wide receivers was rehabbing injury in prison is that good it's not
great i mean i'm glad he was working on it
um in order to uh turn around the most stagnant rushing attack in football you had to pay
super bowl mvp a lot of money uh and because of making that decision in terms of allocating
resources you lost your entire secondary to the same team two of them then yeah but you lost three
what three two corners in a safety that started yeah and the only guy that's consistently been
able to generate pressure for your defense is chris jones he is now entering his age 32 season
getting up there um no edge help for him uh you've had to make some tough decisions on how
you're going to allocate your resources and the reason you've had to make those tough decisions
is because winning so much every year and
you've had to make some tough decisions on how you're going to allocate your resources
drafting at the end of the draft this puts you in a precarious situation where you've had to take
some risks you've had to take some swings you haven't hit on a lot of those players and as a
result this is now a a team where you have an elite quarterback in the homes a coach with a
track record that people will go to war with as a top three coach in the nfl without really sweating
and uh and a lot of problems on the roster in my opinion
yeah there's a big question mark in like every section yeah i think you can say that yeah even
even the one we feel the strongest is going to be your strength maybe your two strengths coaching
slash play calling and quarterback there's huge question marks for me there offensive line has
four question marks skilled skill group definitely has some question marks and overpay um defensive
line you know who's doing it beyond jones and carl off to us and i think it's going to be a
lot of fun uh yeah secondary is a bunch of bunch of replacements i don't want to say replacement
level players but replacements to last year's starters so a lot of this feels like a team that
has a wide range of possibilities for this yeah and one of them is they get the shit kicked out
of them by the broncos week one and that's just who they are like oh the homes homes looks good
all right so the if you haven't been playing paying a ton of attention in camp that was
something that everybody wanted to see he looks fine like he didn't play in the preseason game but
anything i've seen stuff from camper reports from camp seems like he's confident and able to plant
and move around in that leg that knee so i hopefully that's not an issue but who knows how
how that goes you know they say injuries like that a lot of it's mental you know getting into
a game going up against a live defense and having confidence to take a hit
to you know plant on that leg they say it's it's you know after months and months of feeling that
leg not being able to hold you up or do what you wanted to do trusting it so so it was interesting
to see someone come back because it goes one of two ways it feels like it's like oh they're
they're clearly not the same person or adrian peterson isn't smart enough to know that his
leg is hurt and he's gonna run for 2 000 yards what's the most uh kind of compelling comp for
back off of this acl in your opinion you're hoping it's the brady season right remember when he came
back are you that's fun it's more fun if he's good the league is more fun if patrick mohams is patrick
mohams i agree i agree i was hoping you were gonna say that brady season um for those who don't
remember uh tom brady in the first game of 2008 when the patriots were healthy favorites to win
the super bowl uh
towards acl what was the guy's name that got him do you remember i forget the guy who got him it
was like 2007 man 2008 yeah uh anyway brady goes down patriots uh end up uh going 11 and 5
don't make the playoffs with matt castle uh brady comes back in 2009 patriots win 10 and 6 lost in
the wild card round um they were they won their division at 10 6 oh great call again where's your
come at that back it up there you did um yeah so 2009 coming back off of um uh the acl the
patriots won their division lost in the wild card round um all in all it was
it was a uh i think as good as you can hope as you kind of are laying out uh for coming back
off of an acl um i just do want to kind of point out in that season um the patriots struggled pretty
a couple times early on uh you know just up and down play before they unloaded a win against the
titans 59 to 0 uh in the snow uh week six and then it was like all right brady's back right
so like the clear and obvious point i'm trying to make here is like it doesn't matter how elite
of a quarterback you are like sometimes coming off of uh you know an injury like this is you
cannot expect week one to look like week one on you know this the in a normal year the difference
between that team and this team in my opinion is that that team was loaded loaded loaded you had
julian randy moss and west walker that was your wide receiver room uh you had you know ben watson
was a solid player and he was a solid player and he was a solid player and he was a solid player
and he was a solid player and he was a solid player and he was a solid player and he was a solid
you had you know ben watson was a solid player and he was a solid player and he was a solid
tight end you had an elite offensive line with matt matt light logan mankins dan kopp and steven
neal and nick kaiser uh and you had an amazing defense with guys like vince wilfork and gerard
mayo uh and uh adalius thomas you know just just tons of tons of uh of stars across that team
that's not what this cheese foster looks like it's not
yeah well this world work is not you have at least have chris jones i guess um but yeah
vince wilfork is not on this team um so i think what i'm getting at is that like expecting that
that's where you're gonna land in a tougher division with a weaker team i think is asking
a lot out of my arms this year and i would also say the um that that this is just like
setting the goal posts right we're setting the goal posts for for what to expect right
have you have you watched have you watched the clips of them so far
yeah again it's you have you've seen a good amount of his clips throwing not not really
i've seen a few like i want to see him plant more than throw i want to see him comfortable
in his legs but i've seen i've seen some and it's one of those things where i'm fine he looks okay
he looks good he looks like he's coming back but like you mentioned what can we expect from
the rest of the team around him because that is a huge part it's the most important position
in sports but you've seen good quarterbacks not get it done because the rest of the team
and the roster assholes so i don't know it'll be it'll be interesting i i feel like two out of
every 10 clips i've seen of him throwing there's mechanics problems going on with his lower body
i don't know i guess i'll have to watch more i don't know he seems like he's planting on it fine
there's always kind of a there's a he's always kind of a warm
wonky thrower anyway he throws from wherever he wants to he yeah that you know he doesn't he
doesn't need to be you know in the in the stance of you know like why a tittle on a football card
well i uh i didn't want to go like mega negative here on my homes but i i do i mean i i worry a lot
about his arc and his progression carrying you know into you know into uh the future uh
as an elite you know elite passer in the nfl if his mechanics are suspect and i do think your
point about he always had a little wonky mechanics is true and i think that's a negative um i think
it became like the arc of my homes and i'm not trying to get too you know qualitative here but
early on where he had just an absolutely elite arm paired with an elite weapon
in tyreek hill and in just brilliant play design and play calling by
by the way i think that's a good point i think that's a good point i think that's a good point
by reed was just you know it was it was um match made in heaven some of the best offense we've
ever seen uh hill leaves my homes has to adjust his game he's able to overcome the loss of the
elite weapon and in my opinion it wasn't because he was attacking different parts of the field
which i mean i guess he was he was attacking a little bit shallower because the you know he
was adjusting to the defensive trends and he was but he was still just be truly
spectacular hitting the 11 to 20 yard passes on the sidelines consistently uh and you know
exercising the advantage he had with kelsey against linebackers and safeties which you know
was you know another cheap code um what made him even more special in my opinion was his ability
to extend plays his ability to scramble when it mattered uh and you know just in just was
unsackable uh and uh it all kind of
added up to a like a you know an aura um a vibe uh that every defense in the nfl feared and
respected and independent of his injury andy i feel like that's faded a little
do you agree
maybe not say it or are we too old to say aura and vibe no
i don't know
we're not it feels to me like it feels quantify that though yeah well i think you can look at his
completion percentage over expected last year look at some of the uh you know some of his accuracy
on deep balls is uh falling off um i think the um there were a couple of statistics last year
that were not in the luck category for mahomes before his injury that had people scratching
their head
um
,
did you engage in it yeah i mean it was a little bit because i mean look at the what what week was he injured drew
week 12
later 13 i think it was later i think it was later than that yeah it was the it was a colt game
yeah what was their record they were six and five with an overtime win over the colts in that game
yeah i mean it's not like they were
running away with the division and then everything fell apart that one week like they were
they were a middling team at that point by record and by results like it didn't it didn't feel the
same i mean again in vibes and whatever else and you can go look at some of the advanced stats and
he wasn't doing some of the stuff that got him to win those close games so you wonder if he was
carrying something before the big injury too
hmm
i don't know it's hard to it's hard to put a a fact on that but i don't know it's it's hard to it's hard to put a a fact on that but i don't know if he was carrying something before the big injury too
i don't know it's hard to it's hard to put a a fact on that but i don't know if he was carrying something before the big injury too
it's hard to it's hard to put a finger on exactly what
what was going wrong other than they didn't win close games
um i think it was a lot of the efficient i mean i okay my complete and total transparency what
went wrong for the chiefs last year and why they didn't win close games was because the rushing
attack was atrocious and it put the passing attack in in disadvantageous situations where
it was a must-pass situation and he had wide receivers that couldn't separate and he was
less efficient and less accurate frankly and uh you know they're basically we we the limit
does exist for how much mahomes can you know how much mahomes witchcraft can overcome in terms of
adversity and i think you found it last year before he got hurt and i think that the general
setup of the way that this team is rostered does not set up for a quick bounce like step forward
bounce like step forward
bounce like step forward before we really compete for a championship
before we really compete for a championship
before we really compete for a championship again next year to me i think it's going to
again next year to me i think it's going to
again next year to me i think it's going to be a longer arc uh and i want to be ahead
be a longer arc uh and i want to be ahead
be a longer arc uh and i want to be ahead of a mark the market expecting everything
of a mark the market expecting everything
of a mark the market expecting everything is just going to be fine for mahomes i
is just going to be fine for mahomes i
is just going to be fine for mahomes i want to be in the situation where
want to be in the situation where
want to be in the situation where this first stretch of the season could
this first stretch of the season could
this first stretch of the season could look much worse than people are used to
look much worse than people are used to
look much worse than people are used to seeing from him
seeing from him
seeing from him because of this combination of being a
because of this combination of being a
because of this combination of being a little bit behind physically and working
little bit behind physically and working
little bit behind physically and working with pieces that are not very good
with pieces that are not very good
with pieces that are not very good yeah it's funny too because what you're
yeah it's funny too because what you're
yeah it's funny too because what you're saying makes sense there's a perfect
saying makes sense there's a perfect
saying makes sense there's a perfect world where everybody is here
world where everybody is here
world where everybody is here we come into the season everybody sees
we come into the season everybody sees
we come into the season everybody sees it downgrades it reacts and then six
it downgrades it reacts and then six
it downgrades it reacts and then six eight weeks into the season it's like
eight weeks into the season it's like
eight weeks into the season it's like they've been oversold they're
they've been oversold they're
they've been oversold they're underrated mahomes puts together a
underrated mahomes puts together a
underrated mahomes puts together a couple of special performances he starts
couple of special performances he starts
couple of special performances he starts to build his way back and then you know
to build his way back and then you know
to build his way back and then you know it becomes an exercise and
it becomes an exercise and
it becomes an exercise and you know how do you price them for 2027
you know how do you price them for 2027 gone there's no reason to fear this guy
gone there's no reason to fear this guy
gone there's no reason to fear this guy right i'm i i disagree that it's going
right i'm i i disagree that it's going
right i'm i i disagree that it's going to happen outside
to happen outside
to happen outside because of pat patrick beat me to it
because of pat patrick beat me to it
because of pat patrick beat me to it and only because he's allowed to just
and only because he's allowed to just
and only because he's allowed to just type things and i had to wait my turn
type things and i had to wait my turn
type things and i had to wait my turn but yeah that it feels like there's some
but yeah that it feels like there's some
but yeah that it feels like there's some spots in that schedule early where it's
spots in that schedule early where it's like oh this team's fine you know yeah
like oh this team's fine you know yeah
like oh this team's fine you know yeah they they had a tough week but that was
they they had a tough week but that was
they they had a tough week but that was week one and my homes hadn't played in
week one and my homes hadn't played in
week one and my homes hadn't played in so long and that's a tough defense and
so long and that's a tough defense and
so long and that's a tough defense and uh we're not gonna worry about that
uh we're not gonna worry about that
uh we're not gonna worry about that game and then they're gonna play some of
game and then they're gonna play some of
game and then they're gonna play some of these easier games
these easier games
these easier games and people are gonna be bought in and
and people are gonna be bought in and then i do worry and
then i do worry and
then i do worry and kind of the overarching theme of me
kind of the overarching theme of me
kind of the overarching theme of me rating especially the offensive side of
rating especially the offensive side of
rating especially the offensive side of this ball was
this ball was
this ball was i kind of got to give them the benefit
i kind of got to give them the benefit
i kind of got to give them the benefit of the doubt
of the doubt
of the doubt because of the
because of the
because of the you know the
you know the
you know the the body of work
the body of work
the body of work for i mean even
for i mean even
for i mean even reed spagnolo b enemy mahomes if you
reed spagnolo b enemy mahomes if you
If you want to put the body of work on those four men,
that said it's one of those teams where you know you talk about this a lot where
hey i'm not going to adjust this team really hard because of well who they're playing first off or
the situation i know it's a tough game against denver and it's it'll be hard to not overreact
if they go up there and just you know the offense looks abhorrent against what could be a top three
defense but i think overall i'm going to be quicker to adjust this team down if it just looks
like it's not so much the defense it's he's not back the mechanics look a little jankier and
the offense just isn't as crisp anyway especially in wins against some of the softer teams throughout
that first quarter of the season it might be hey we're not upgrading the team because
like you won but
uh
this is the best team in the dfc let me uh let me let me crystal ball this for you then
okay first um eight weeks of the season against the bad teams
ugly wins fueled by kenneth walker getting 35 touches a game yeah against the good teams
non-competes that's what i'm saying like i i can't upgrade them against some of these
bad teams
teams if it's just hey no i'm just saying no no i'm saying like if that's the reality like what's
the what's the temperature in the market for the chiefs like are people literally just like i'll
sell it a lot like i like they can't they can't they can't even beat bad teams like this is this
is concerning i don't know people people still i think there'll be a group in the in the market
that's still willing to buy in because again of the history the body of work if they have a good
enough record even if it's you can clearly see that there's a lot of people that are willing to
be hey that was a bad team and it was mostly the running games and spags spags was in his bag
against a young or bad quarterback and they put a good defensive scheme they won 14 to 3 like
clearly not the you know not the team that we saw at the peak of the kc powerhouse so it's it's
gonna be a team it's gonna be easy because it's super it's not like the jets where we have to
catch them on the one o'clock you know gotta go find them on sunday ticket like they're gonna
they're gonna be in your they're gonna be in your face they're playing on thanksgiving they're
playing on uh they're playing on primetime one two three four five six six standalones this
year for them yeah so and a lot of high profile games too it's a tough schedule
uh which is another part of the equation here so i guess where i'm kind of at is i think we're in
a moment that we're we're willing to downgrade this team quickly if it doesn't feel right oh for
sure and i think and also even more than that like i just i want to be a slightly ahead of the
negative downturn in opinion on them to then kind of catch the crest of the wave at the right time
and it might not be this year yeah there might not be a buyback spot where hey we're getting
back in yeah you might just be like no we're fine this is yeah this is never being yeah yeah that's
this is a team that could go six and eleven against the spread this year and you know how
many of those 11 losses are going to be in my account zero like i'm not going out of my way to
bet on the chiefs with uh against any of the bad teams or uh you know in any of the coin flippy
spots they were really good they were not like this team that covered a lot you remember that
it was it was always like ah they won but oh of course well yeah because they just they just
smothered their opponents in second halves yeah yeah they were never any fun to bet on because
it's like hey this was a game they were never ever ever in danger of losing but they were never
going to cover eight and a half yeah like it just was not in the cards yeah yeah um so what did you
think of their offseason overall uh good they added a quarterback they added a quarterback
okay patrick mahomes he's a good quarterback too roster at the end of the year that is important
um yeah they added two quarterbacks andy yeah to be fair they did all right so justin fields yeah
then the negatives we went over all the negatives but creed humphrey and chris jones are still very
good bolton had a good season carl loft is a little underrated you kind of shit on the pass
rush i'm a carl loft this guy and you know what kelsey 1.47 yards per route run in a season where
we've done for a few years we're like is he done done done done
still found it at times so we'll see if we get one more of those i don't know it's it's harder
to believe every year the secondary secondary wasn't wasn't great and then it got torn apart
as a as as it was in the offseason anyway you kept shamari connor who was a terrible coverage
grade if you want to go there so uh the tackles didn't play well xaver worthy existed and played
to be fair do you remember what was it was it like friendly fire was that the injury for his shoulder
we ran into like kelsey or something uh no he got it was like a third play of the chargers game i
think it was defense but it might have been friendly i thought either way the friendly fire
one was rishi rice yeah yeah yeah so um but yeah worthy had a labrum that needed to be repaired
anyway so the offseason was good i think it was a good game i think it was a good game i think it was a good game
yeah i think it was a good game i think it was a good game
go overpaid for kenneth walker whatever you haven't been able to draft the right running back
it's an upgrade justin fields is a pretty good backup honestly if you want to give him a little
bit of daps for that it doesn't hurt to have a backup who can play football um he started plenty
of games he went and got aloha gilman the safety from baltimore and kadir kohu from miami because
that's who you want to go pick your defensive secondary pieces from the miami dolphins
uh but hey you lost starters if you squint the secondary does it not give you 2025 dolphins
flashbacks a little bit like a lot like kind of a lot right it's not it's not there's no storm duck
it's not i was just gonna say we need to get in the building yeah but uh there's a lot of guys
here with a lot to prove that they can handle these roles um tonga
what's your thoughts on tonga uh he's a good player yeah run defender you had a good run
on paper that makes sense putting him next to christians we'll see yeah uh emmanuel ogba
from pussy with jacksonville last year uh he's been with a few teams
i believe this is actually his second stint in kansas city another defensive end and then
as you mentioned the exodus in the secondary uh trent mcduffie was traded to los angeles
jalen watson followed in free agency brian cook your safety safety brian cook that's
yes safety 890 snaps went to cincinnati it is a lot of snaps that's a ton of snaps uh
that have left the secondary isaiah pajako was replaced and upgraded at what cost though
and then you drafted
uh mansoor delane this is a what pick did they have true uh they had pick number nine that they
traded up six to get the crazy it's just jarring to see pick six for the chiefs when it was so much
of oh pick 31 32 oh they took they took clyde edwards delair good like they actually drafted
somebody who can play and they needed to again they you need a mcduffie replacement so you made
a good pick for cleveland you took monster delay in the lsu cornerback you took peter woods
from clemson later in the first round that's an interior rotation piece it's gonna probably
you know right beside chris jones there especially when you're looking on uh uh pass rushing
downs i believe uh edge from oklahoma mason thomas he is apparently pure pass rush that's
gonna be the guy who's gonna rotate through on the edges you got another corner safety
uh nickel competition kennedy jaden kennedy from oregon a running back for nebraska maybe a change
base third down guy if he catches on a slot receiver from cincinnati named cyrus allen and
then a quarterback garrett nosmeyer a developmental piece behind justin fields and pat homes pat homes
pat mahomes from lsu um they have not retired his number at lsu either
so far in my notes andy reed is on year 14 spagnola is retained again the enemy is back
although and i i hate to delve into shit like this that's not football related but
uh the enemy having a a weird camp slash off season as far as uh some of the distractions
there i can't imagine no shit i can't imagine i just think about you try to put yourself in
those shoes and obviously we have much lower uh stress
jobs than nfl coordinators and coaches who are working 100 hours a week i think about like times
in my life when like my dad had some illness or like
something bad happened and trying to concentrate on my job.
And it's like, Oh, I'm just not going to be productive this week.
Like it's just, I, it would be very hard to need a personal day or two.
It'd be very hard to be really focused in on, you know,
getting this offense ready for the season with some of the distractions.
It's hard to do that when there's a really good Monday night football game.
I get distracted by like, Oh, I get, I get vacation plans in three weeks.
I should start packing. Um, anyway, uh, he is back.
And then it sounded like when he was out,
Joe Blamire ran the offense passing game coordinator when the enemy was,
uh, out dealing with that stuff.
Uh, the entirety of the offense to me felt like we can't solve all the
problems in one off season.
So we're going to have to pick and choose where to allocate.
Our problem solving.
Yeah.
Did you deal with the rest of the problems later that they know any,
any offensive lineman fixes in that, in that long stretch there?
No.
I mean,
apparently Cyrus Allen is the answer at wide receiver,
according to everyone who's at chiefs, chiefs practices.
Um, is that good or bad?
Your fifth round wide receiver choice is,
is showing up all of the wide receivers in your, in your depth chart.
Is that good or bad?
I honestly,
uh,
I read that as bad.
I hope Cyrus Allen has a great season is this a long contributor here, but,
uh,
I don't know.
Like it's probably for the most part,
if you have a guy who's drafted that deep and you have some established names
and you're excited, more excited about that guy, it's usually bad.
But I, I try to,
I try to take it with a grain of salt or what's the opposite of a grain of
salt.
I try to look at the silver lining is people find diamonds in the rough
sometimes.
And maybe,
maybe they don't,
maybe they don't even realize Jacoby lane as a diamond in the rough for the
Ravens is a good sign.
You know,
it could be,
Hey,
we got a puka,
you know,
sometimes it works out.
You never know.
That's fair.
You could be generally bad.
That's generally bad.
Uh,
the,
uh,
uh,
hopefully that bite anybody.
Yeah,
that's fair point.
Um,
yeah,
the Rams might not have a puka to start the season.
We'll see.
Um,
all right.
The,
uh,
I think they have the off season to me felt like we can't solve everything in
one off season.
Um,
so we're going to address these now because it makes sense to do so with the
resources at our disposal and we'll address the rest at a later date and hope
my homes comes back and can ultimately get back to his level of play by the
end of the season.
Um,
we shall see if that is a fair bet.
But,
uh,
again,
like this is an incomplete roster.
This team is not contending for a title.
If my homes pulls off a title,
contention run with this squad of players,
um,
I will retract recant and retract all of my aura and vibe commentary with extreme prejudice.
Um,
so this is funny from the chat.
It says these quick,
small wide receivers over form in camp every year.
Most don't pan out.
Um,
you wonder if that's like,
Hey,
we're just not,
we're not hitting in camp yet.
So yeah,
150,
pound slot receiver,
who's twitchy.
He's doing good because he hasn't gotten laid out.
Yeah.
But like when he embarrasses your first over your first pick Minnesota Delane,
like,
is that a good sign that he can embarrass a good cornerback?
Or is that a problem with your cornerback?
These are questions we need answers to,
um,
Andy,
let's go to ratings.
But before we do,
uh,
be sure to give serious consideration to signing up for the professional football contest at circus sports.
This,
NFL season,
uh,
I first con first,
uh,
uh,
this is millions eight,
right?
I think this is millions eight.
Um,
I've done seven of them and I will do as many of them as they continue to offer them as I am living on the earth.
Uh,
it is an extremely fun contest to throw your hat and try to prognosticate at a 65%.
Uh,
I think it's a really good thing.
I think it's a really good thing.
Go 10-6-1.
Is that enough?
yeah that's 17. uh the rice and worthy worry me kelsey's 36. kenneth walker's great but are we
really crafting an offense that's built around running the ball it sounds like they are that's
that's crazy to me i'll bump it up if we are because i think that could work
maybe we'll see with this offensive line which brings us to offensive line where i'm
probably high i actually the more i spent with this today i hate my number and i want to go below
five i'm at a 5.2 and it's honestly because they have standout play from their center creed humphrey
and i i still believe in trey smith i think trey smith is a good player um simmons simmons is a
wild card very very very strange that no one in the kansas city media really felt
that it was um
reasonable to inform the public as to whatever was actually going on with him last year
just i mean it's private decisions had some it was personal stuff i did a freedom of
information act request and got nothing back from from a guy from a guy who's who's draft
who slid in the draft process because people questioned his commitment to playing football
elected not to play football for half the season and everybody just yawns and lo walks past it
what the i really don't get that anyway it was weird i'm at a 5.4 a lot of it is just
having the best center in football in creed humphrey um simmons played eight games trey played
12. trey was above average uh jalen morris who projected right tackle um
i don't hate that right side i guess how what's what's here are you a negative are you a negative
on i like trey smith more than i like jalen moore are you a negative on kingsley yes suah matiah yes
kingsley is a minus jalen moore is a minus simmons is a neutral creed is a plus plus trey is a plus
i get to 5.2 okay 5.4 for me and i might bring this down depending of all my numbers across the
chiefs
probably the one i'm not gonna touch i think that's probably i think they're right at five
maybe a little buff i could i i could very very clearly see myself
ticking with the other ones that i have but that one's gonna be five um they are the fifth
best offense by my ratings it's 67th percentile um i say my ratings basically to get the market
number get close to regressing close to the market number is how i got there um and yeah it's uh
i don't know i guess i'm going to be surprised if they're top five will you
yes
where are you for overall i'd have to get it you got to be pretty close to top five you gotta be
like top eight i mean yeah just having that high of a quarterback oc number kind of elevates you
there oh like ninth eighth yeah um i have a i have a
overall yeah it's like a 63rd percentile offense okay uh their defense again was very tough to come
up with fairs i think i probably undershot the run stop based on the addition of uh tonga um and i
probably overshot the coverage so it'll come out in the wash but i'm at a 4.9 for run stop 4.8 for
pass rush 5.0 for coverage if chris jones gets hurt pass rush for me would drop into the high
twos low threes yeah um coverage for me at five i want to just give you a quick defense of this
and see if any of this checks out to you okay um noel williams n-o-h-l williams when i saw
his name on the depth chart i was like uh-oh that's our cb1 he's good he's good i was kind
of surprised he only played 430 snaps last year but his coverage grade was good i'm not not like
whoa this guy's changing the position but like he's he's not hurting you he's not hurting you
he's not hurting you um this uh the guy he's next to uh chamari connor he should not be he should
be sorry on an nfl team he should not be starting he needs to he needs to gain 20 pounds and play
more in the box honestly the guy that's behind him on the depth chart jayden hicks is like is better
which is hilarious we'll see if the spagnol presumably will identify that and make that
change if that's the way that goes um lloyd gilman i don't love but he's and again you have no
continuity it's it's so many yeah gilman from baltimore cove from miami delaine from a college
team yeah it's just it's a bunch of guys playing back there yeah in a defense that asks a lot from
from yes yes uh yeah it's always been good we've always been impressed with what spags has done but
yeah so delaine is delaine is a wild card with the pressure yeah delaine is a wild card and then
this other guy the starting nickel chris roland wallace he does not look very good he's now that's
a tiny sample size delaine sample size is zero so we're kind of shooting and we're kind of guessing
here but like if we get through if they get through and we get through and we get through and we get
they go up against a couple of good quarterbacks which when we look at the schedule you'll see is
gonna not gonna get this feedback for a while but when they go up against some good quarterbacks
if they get cooked um i don't think we should be surprised
there's some problem there's but there's three potential problems three weak links i think in
the secondary here i'm lower than you i'm at i'm at 4.7 you know why i ultimately bumped back up to
i was i was coming in low i bumped back up to the five because both um drew tranquil and nick bolton
are good coverage linebackers they're both good so like you're gonna be able to cover the screen
game well you're gonna be able to cover tight ends reasonably i think you're just gonna get
your you're just gonna get reamed by anyone with a good quarterback and and good weapons in the
passing attack right like the patriots man it's a shame they're not on this schedule what what fun
it would be to bet
the patriots against the chiefs this year with like the drake may combine with the uh the weapons
in that passing game that would be fun um there's not many teams on their schedule where you're
really excited about the wide receivers though especially weeks three and four
so lucky who knows maybe he mixes it up but we're gonna go a bunch of
uh what they call the amoeba front yeah the amorphous
hey there's seven guys and four of them we're rushing four on every down but it's gonna be a
different four and we're expecting a lot of man coverage we're rotating out of the you know you
you go too high safeties you rotate to you rotate to a man man coverage back there and you're
expecting a rookie uh a nickelback we don't know much about and a strong safety to just play a
blitzes corners and safeties at a pretty high rate too so it's gonna be very interesting to see what
the spags does with the secondary secondary is kind of the crux of the what happens to this defense
because pass rush is going to be fine to slightly above average based on what carl off just says i
think chris jones is gonna be great carl off just is good and then you have i i kind of miss
char mike dana in this spot i'd take him i guess
uh carl's gonna be great i think he's gonna be great i think he's gonna be great i think he's gonna
be great i think he's gonna be great i think he's gonna be great i think he's gonna be great i think he's a man who was
on this team at one point but yeah ogba he's 32 you have a 32 year old pass rusher you need more of
those so i'm probably a little high with my 5.8 and then run stop i'm higher than you as well
because of the the tonga thing and you know chris jones isn't great against the run but doesn't have
to be okay we don't overall we have it's a league average overall it's a league average defense for
me it looks like you're going to be above
league average by a hair i'm right at it um your coaching number is lower than mine um i thought
there were some i i think i hold i still hold andy reed up as kind of one of the better second
half coaches to bet on as far as adjustments go and it can be adjustments to put away a win it
can be adjustments to uh getting back into a game but uh i think he's a good in-game adjustment
guy and i think the chiefs were generally better than average in terms of go for it
um pass over expectation was pretty solid if they run when they should be passing this year because
they invested in kenneth walker maybe i uh maybe i'm coming in hot special teams you're at five
i'm at eight well i'll change mine to five uh and overall you're at a 61st percentile i'm at a 63rd
percentile that puts us both right around plus three fair rating for the chiefs
what is what what's your market number so about three and a half four uh market fair on chiefs is
2.96 so you're just a shade lower you need to you need to drop your number if you want to you're
talking
the talk let's walk the walk let's make it let's make it a zero so i gotta see more clips in the
homes if he's just sandbagging these practices because he doesn't want to hurt himself and he's
ultimately he's uh it what's the meme uh what's the uh the uh the funny line from star wars uh
if he's full if he's fully uh operational uh and i i don't want to be sorely mistaken week one so
um what is what part of star wars is that from i think it's return of the jedi is fully operational
yeah oh no no yeah when your friends get to the moon base they're something i don't know
that's jedi jedi it's jedi when the emperor is going on about that yeah he could be very
you know he could be fully operational week one and i'm gonna be pretty bummed if i'm
exposed yeah um the
because i guess like the thing like here you're right here's here's here's where here's where i'm
at you ready if i use the kind of what i think are i will adjust to for quarterback and oc if
we get some signal that my homes isn't quite right and if i use the skill position number
that's a little bit more like 55 you know 50th percentile my chief's number is a 0.76 which means
week one against the denver broncos i would have the broncos favored by a meaningful amount as
two and a half point dogs and i don't know that i love the idea of one of my biggest
side bets of the season being week one broncos against the chiefs
i'm sorry i'm distracted because we remember when you see it porn bots
i haven't blocked this guy because i'm trying to figure out what he's about
are you seeing these comments from eric
um is he talking about i don't know because i'm gonna read one
maybe prince harry should have a child with a chinese lady since 1776 660 000 u.s military
personnel have been killed in combat the uk forgot about stonehenge and then became one
with a tranny jesus not quite sure what the message is
anyway run that back by me one more time i'm sorry it was very distracted because if i use
seven insane comments and basically if i'm not regressing to market for my homes
and the skill group then i have the broncos favored week one yeah i i'm going to bet on
the broncos and i'm not dying i know i'm not but it like the kelly bet size for that would
be pretty substantial and i'm not really dying for the
make or break bet week one monday night football game betting against my homes
oh just just regular steak don't get we know we don't do kelly in week one
because week week week one's too much of a it'll get you okay all right um we'll see i don't know
we don't talk about that much but i do change the staking on my games based on my edge
of course not not week one week one is if i have a few games i like it they're all the same
because i'm usually very wrong and very right out of you and it'll all come out in the wash
okay we're just gonna i don't want to be wrong on the wrong ones let's look at the uh schedule
monday night football opener casey hosts the denver broncos right now it's actually two and a
half point favorite for casey in that spot they then get three games where they are favored by
more than a field goal hosting the colts where my homes tore his leg last year at miami where
they're seven point favorites and at the las vegas raiders
right now denver has a good enough set of wide receivers that i think they can put sincere
pressure on the kansas city defensive backfield i don't think the kansas city pass rush is good
enough against the fully healthy denver offensive line to cause pressure and problems for nicks
i think denver outscores casey there and i think it's actually
not it's it's a good bet on denver week one that's where i'm at um week two indies wide
receiver root group is all kinds of things that i think they can put sincere pressure on
who knows if they'll be healthy and be able to test your your defensive backfield but if they are
that's a good spot to bet against casey miami has no wide receivers las vegas has no wide receivers
the chargers have weak wide receivers seattle has one ride receiver so it's going to be a while
before you're up against an elite quarterback with good wide receivers to really kind of put your
your um uh your secondary into a bind in fact it's probably not until week 13 when you play the rams
and then rams is going to be a good spot to bet against casey miami has no wide receivers las vegas
since he new england bam bam bam those are the three games that i'm excited about
where you have pretty positive matchups against casey in a perfect world casey somehow beats the
buffalo bills on thanksgiving everybody's like all my homes is back casey's rating is back up to a
plus three and then you can just dump on them for the house you can just dump on them bam bam bam
like that that's that's the best case scenario here i don't think it's two and a half would be
electric don't yeah don't even don't tempt me with it don't don't don't
tempt me with a good time um man that would be fun we'll see yeah it's crazy they don't have a
terrible matchup against seattle you're right even though that's at seattle that's a tough one if you
win that game you have a decent chance to just you're five and two through eight weeks with just
two losses against denver that's kind of wild right because denver denver might denver might
have two no over you and be like three and four yeah if you lose that first game against denver
i don't see how you're bouncing back
at denver on a on a bit of a uh slightly shorter week yeah that's a nasty spot at the at seattle at
denver yeah that's crazy yeah you'll lead the division but you'll be oh and two uh you need
you need that chargers win though you gotta you gotta win against the chargers yeah oh to be like
five and three oh and three in the division or four and three that'd be it'd be a tough hang
i mean eight and two through 11
weeks is not out of the realm of possibility with the two losses coming against denver yeah
i just want a world where we can bet on the rams bengals and patriots all with uh
kind of decent prices against uh casey there those are the only three teams they really play
though that have exactly the right recipe to hurt them you know what i mean yeah a bit of a
soft landing to where we're at right now
where four three out of your last four games are at home some tougher teams but you do get the
raiders to close things out at home if the other side of the coin andy what happens if through eight
weeks you've lost twice to the broncos you lost to the chargers seattle beat you and going away
you couldn't you couldn't score 10 points on seattle uh you had a tough time with miami and
vegas and uh indy came down to a made field goal in the last seconds one way or the other
right like if that's where we're at with these guys through eight weeks
is the market below zero on them or are they still holding on to a mom's tax probably you're
in neutral you're a neutral i would think you're still a league average team jets atlanta arizona
catching points against these chiefs if if those are kind of heavily bet favorite spots are you
gonna maybe not the jets i might skip man that's not a great matchup but uh i would i'd consider
the cardinals just can defend the run that's fair
they're covered yeah you gotta see what the offense what what exactly is the offense at
that point as well we'll need to know a lot more about that before i can say yeah i'm gonna take
the jets in week nine as i look down this schedule i worry about kc scoring into the 20s when they're
up against a team that can stop the run i worry that they are going to get gashed when they're
up against a team that has a good quarterback and good weapons and those are i think the times
those are the times you want to either bet under on a chiefs game or bet against the chiefs on the
side and it may be a lot of times for me this year there's no matchups as i look at this entire
rundown where i'm licking my chops to bet the chiefs tell you that much is that the worst
patrick that's is that the worst three-game stretch we've seen on the on a schedule yet
buffalo ram cincinnati all on the road all in a row like i probably
is teams teams it's rare that teams have back to back to back many teams do not have three state
road games you know plenty of teams do but i'd say majority teams don't even have a three-game
road stretch anywhere on their schedule much less against the favorite for the nfc the favorite for
the afc and joe burrow like your easiest game there is hopefully the bingles aren't good you
that's your third stretch one of them is a uh two of them are thursday games so you go thursday
thursday sunday that's a weird stretch man and then the monday night football game after that
you're at home facing last year's afc title winners uh off of extra rest yeah yeah who's
covering aj brown in that mashup by the way who's covering jamar chase is it noel williams
guess it is yeah sam good point too you're going to upstate new york
back to fly over country out to LA.
back to fly over country to Northern Kentucky,
and then back home again to face the Patriots.
Finally,
I travel a lot of orange.
All right,
man.
Any preseason bets in this team?
I don't have anything.
West.
No.
Comeback player of the year.
Mahomes.
No.
Ooh,
that's an interesting minus 300.
See if we can find that on the Cal cheese.
I'm going to start calling it the Cal cheese.
Like that just means prediction markets.
It's going to be one of those,
like how you call it skills are Kleenex.
Yeah,
this is,
this is a total non sequitur.
And I know we've already gone over an hour,
so sorry to make us go longer,
but there's been a bunch of chat GPT commercials lately.
And including one where they're that chat is encouraging an old lady to
call it chat GPT.
Why not just brand a chat?
Everybody would know what you're talking about.
Lose the,
the it's cleaner.
It's cleaner.
Just call it chat.
What the fuck are you doing?
Like I,
yeah.
Especially for old people.
Yeah.
Like it might be,
it might be a little dystopic.
Chad GTP or GPT GP.
What does GPT stand for?
What does GTP?
Stand for it might be a little set.
It might be a little dystopic and sad,
but like for this might be a pretty good tool for,
Hey,
this is a super companionship that like,
guess maybe they don't have any family.
It's not just,
they have a shitty family that doesn't visit them.
It might not have any family.
And like it can,
it can make them quite a bit happier.
Cause well,
the couple,
the couple of commercials I've seen were written by a chat because they
made no fucking sense.
They were,
it's so ridiculous.
My,
as long as I get some time,
as long as we're,
as long as we're whining about my least favorite thing is everybody
making their graphics.
And it's like,
so,
so readily apparent.
Do you remember the first giveaway that something was,
was AI was the M dash because the M dash is actually quite useful.
If you don't always want to use a comma or a semicolon,
it's tragically underused.
And then it became,
uh,
quite a bit used by any quickly knew like,
Oh,
there's three M dashes in this paragraph.
This is the giveaway.
Now,
now the AI giveaway is that fucking font that you know,
you know,
the font,
you see it with the slide.
It looks like it's scribbled on there and everybody's poster.
And it's like,
man,
you see this from like so many small businesses with their food flyers
and stuff to God,
just use your own.
You can make an AI poster with your own photos.
Take pictures of your food because that whatever it put together to
make you look like your hamburger,
that looks terrible.
There are like carrots on that hamburger for some reason.
It doesn't know what it's doing.
At least we're boiling the,
uh,
the freshwater in our country for this.
Right.
Um,
all right,
man,
a betting plan for the chiefs is I'm going to make me a
betting plan for the chiefs.
Make no mistakes.
I'm making mistakes.
I'm just,
I think I'm going to end up sacking up and just downgrading them a bit on off.
And it's make them write eight or 10th,
which is going to tell my numbers to bet against them a bunch and just,
just,
just do it.
Write it out.
Let's rip.
All right.
All right.
Let's go to week Broncos country.
Let's ride.
Yes,
absolutely.
I'm not even mad about my preseason future.
Now I am way more worried about the chargers than the chiefs.
Are you?
Oh,
I'm getting,
I'm getting,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
for sure.
For sure.
If the chargers had,
sorry,
the chargers,
if the chargers had a schedule,
like the,
uh,
like the lions,
um,
that would have been one of the easiest bets in football this year,
but alas,
they got the schedule demons on top of all the other cursed stuff.
All right guys.
Yeah,
I,
uh,
schools are going to schools are having to go back to like the blue books.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The Chiefs are favored to win the AFC West despite a 6-11 record in 2025, largely due to Patrick Mahomes' return from an ACL injury, but the hosts argue the roster has significant holes.
Key weaknesses include a shaky offensive line, an aging tight end group, a weak wide receiver room, a stagnant rushing attack, and a depleted secondary after losing multiple starters in free agency.
The hosts compare Mahomes' comeback to Tom Brady's 2009 ACL return, noting that even elite quarterbacks struggle early, and question whether Mahomes' mechanics and "aura" have declined.
The offseason additions (e.g., Kenneth Walker, Justin Fields, defensive picks) are seen as partial fixes, but the team remains incomplete, with concerns about pass rush depth and secondary continuity.
The betting strategy is to fade the Chiefs early, especially in Week 1 against the Broncos, and target matchups against teams with strong receivers and quarterbacks (e.g., Rams, Bengals, Patriots) later in the season.
Summary:
The podcast hosts analyze the Kansas City Chiefs' 2025 outlook, framing them as a "buy low" opportunity with a tough roster. Despite being AFC West favorites, the Chiefs' 6-11 record last year was marked by an inability to win close games, a poor rushing attack, and Mahomes' ACL tear. The hosts argue the roster has glaring holes: the offensive line has multiple question marks, the wide receiver room lacks proven talent, the tight end group is aging, and the secondary lost key starters like Trent McDuffie and Brian Cook.
" The offseason additions—Kenneth Walker, Justin Fields, and draft picks—are seen as partial upgrades, but the team remains incomplete. 4, defense around league average, and overall as a plus-3 rating, slightly below the market. , Rams, Bengals, Patriots), expecting a rough start and potential market overreaction.
Ultimately, they see the Chiefs as a team with a wide range of outcomes, not a true title contender this year.
FAQs
The Chiefs are favored because of the perceived buy-low opportunity after an unlucky 6-11 season, with Patrick Mahomes returning from an ACL injury. Their struggles in one-score games are seen as an anomaly given the Andy Reid-Mahomes track record.
The Chiefs have significant question marks on the offensive line, wide receiver, tight end, edge rusher, and secondary. They lost key defensive backs in free agency and have not consistently solved these issues despite investing assets.
Mahomes appears confident in camp, but there are concerns about his mechanics and trust in his leg early on. The hosts compare it to Tom Brady's 2009 return, noting that even elite quarterbacks may struggle initially, especially with a weaker supporting cast.
The secondary is the biggest concern, as they lost starters like Trent McDuffie, Jalen Watson, and Brian Cook, leaving a group of unproven replacements. The pass rush relies heavily on Chris Jones, now 32, with limited edge help.
The offseason was mixed: they added quarterback Justin Fields as a backup and Kenneth Walker to boost the run game, but they overpaid for Walker and failed to address key needs like offensive line and wide receiver depth.
They face a tough Week 1 matchup against the Broncos and have a demanding schedule with six standalone games. The offense may lack crispness as Mahomes returns, and the defense could be exposed by teams with strong passing attacks.
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