2026 Dynasty QB & TE Prospects - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg, Betts, and a Baller. Welcome in! It's Wednesday, February 18th here, Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast, and today it is just Borg, and it's just Betts. Just the two of us, Kyle. The way this show was meant to be, if we're being honest. I mean, the listeners know it. We know it. Our team knows it. Just don't tell corporate, okay guys? Just keep it on the down low. I'm excited, man. I missed you guys last week. You got to talk running backs. You guys got to drag Nick Singleton. I can't believe they didn't know that, man. Come on. They're kind of old. They're not really with the nicknames these days. But great show last week. Listen back to it. I missed you guys. And I'm excited to jump in today talking quarterbacks and a kind of fun, sneaky fun tight end class. I'm actually more excited about the tight ends than the quarterbacks. I just need to say that at the top. As somebody who, every single year I think we've done this quarterback episode together, and it has been. It has been an area over the years, you know, I've kind of grown in what I've gotten to get into with the fantasy football world, the fantasy football space. But my early days, we're talking like early over a decade ago. It was me charting film and charting where quarterbacks, where they were throwing, outside the pocket, inside the pocket, you know, offensive line stuff. So that's kind of like, that's the real, you know, grind the tape things that you want to hear. Is that coming back to at PFF Kyle days? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't, don't. Don't throw that out there, bud. I mean, dude, you and the new offensive coordinator for the Dolphins, co-workers, best friends, colleagues, if you will. Yeah, Zach Robinson now with the Buccaneers, also a former, former. Yeah, so, you know, we obviously were super close. You're in the PFF tree. You're the next, you're the next call up to the big leagues. I definitely. Get Kyle on the headset, man. That offense will be humming. Oh my goodness. The quarterbacks that we have in this year's class just went down another with Trinidad, of Ole Miss going back to school, which would have been an interesting debate because internally we've had some discussions about where does he belong. I know Andy really likes him. I know that myself on the other end of the spectrum said, I just, this is not my guy. This is a weird career arc. This guy wasn't even started for Ole Miss. So I think one of the things I like about these episodes, and hopefully if you're a listener, you can join in with us as we're having these dialogues. You can press pause and say, Kyle, you're an idiot. Or you could say, Betts, that, that was factually incorrect. Like you. You could correct him at the Fantasy PT on Twitter. But I think we get to tell a story of these players of what they did in college, their production profile, what translates to fantasy. And then there's another variable, which is which team do you land on? Do you land on the Jets? Do you land on the Raiders? Do you land on one of these teams that historically have had so much turnover? Now, those teams have different coaching staffs, so we can't just hold them to what they've done before. I mean, Aaron Glenn fired everybody and their mama pretty much. And. Because it was their fault, not his. That's what you got to do. You got to get out the bad weeds. You got to pull up those weeds. You got to tell everybody like, okay, this is the problem. So if you are a Jets fan or Raiders fan, there is some hope and you're going to have some early draft choices that should be interesting. But I just want to make sure that we talk about that. Like, we don't know the landing spot. We're kind of guessing about draft capital for a lot of these players. But I was thinking about Dalton Kincaid because we're talking about Titans today. In college, he possessed a really good production. A little bit older as a prospect at Utah. Commanded targets, his yards per outrun. We saw it this past season in a limited amount of routes with the Bills. Like, yards per outrun through the roof. The only thing he's not getting in the NFL is volume. Except in college, you would have said, this dude could command volume in the right situation. He's just not with the right team. He was basically that team that Utah's wide receiver won when he came out. So the production was there. But like you said, it's a scheme fit. Type thing with Titans, I think. And there's a lot of guys in this class, I think, that are going to be pretty, excuse me, scheme dependent on where they land. A lot of these kind of move type Titans. Guys that don't profile as, like, true every down can block, can play 85% of the snaps, and also run routes and be a top target type guys. You kind of have your, like, your niche role players in this class. That's kind of how it feels to me. So I do think that point on landing spot is going to matter a ton. And the fit in the offense. And really, what we're talking about. Not fantasy for these guys, right? Like, especially at tight end. With the landscape the way it is now in Dynasty, where it's like, okay, you got Bowers. You got McBride. You got kind of the big three from last year. You still have some of the veterans that are sticking around. Sam Laporta is still young. Like, it's going to take a lot. Like, a special tight end talent to break into this top 10 group moving forward. So what I'm trying to do on today's show and over the next couple months is see if we can find some, like, diamonds in the rough that are, like, you know, the tight end two on your Dynasty squad. That and an injury. A bye week. You can kind of fill in that maybe takes a few years to develop because there's some kind of interesting profiles in this class. But I do agree with you on the scheme fit, playing style, playing time aspect of this tight end group. It's definitely interesting kind of how it's changed over the years at tight end in the NFL as well. If you want to get all of our production profiles or rookie rankings, Andy, Mike, and Jason just finished those. Those are found in the Dynasty Pass, which is part of the Ultimate Draft Kit Plus. So I try to explain to people. They ask me all the time, hey, what do you do during the offseason? The NFL season's over. For us, I feel like we get into the most creative and the fun part of the offseason where we kind of get to build this process of here's where the prospects are at now. We're going through our film evaluations. We're talking about them and their draft capital, the combine, all of these things. And I was talking to someone at my son's baseball practice the other day, and he's like, that's so cool. So, like, for February, you guys get to talk prospects. And I go, yeah, in March, in April. This podcast, we get to talk about it the whole offseason. But it kind of builds, and that's what the Dynasty Pass does. So we just had our first release on Super Bowl Sunday. We will have another release coming up in about a month after the combine. We get to update some of the metrics, and then we'll have another one after the NFL draft. So, Ultimate Draft. A month? What are you talking about a month? The combine's in like a week and a half, dude. No, it's not. It's end of February, first week of March. Oh, I guess I'm looking at March being the next month, my friend. Yeah, well, it's technically going to be in March. And when it will be updated, but it will be less than 30 days. So, yeah, very soon, an update coming to the Dynasty Pass. And I cut you off before the good folks could learn where the URL is. DynastyPass.com, UltimateDraftKit.com, whatever other URL you want to throw in there, Kyle. They're all good. I haven't quite figured out with our company what the plan of attack is when it comes to just getting domain names. I know that this is kind of a side conversation, but they basically. Cornered the market on so many different things, like ChristmasFootball.com, TuesdayFootball.com, all these random ones that we have over the years, DynastyPass.com. Pretty much, if you Google it, it'll show up at the top. And I've had friends that are in the industry, they have other websites, like, you guys are the worst. Because any SEO thing, Andy figured out a long time ago how to get the footballers at the top. So, WhateverYouWant.com, we don't have that one, but that's pretty much what'll show up, right? I would just say go to GrowingIndex.com. Oh, yeah. And you'll land on the site. If you want prospects, go to GrowingIndex.com. All right, let's jump in. Quarterbacks. All right, the first quarterback we're going to talk about is somebody that you've heard about, hopefully, nonstop over the last couple of months. Fernando Mendoza of Indiana. We'll tell his story. It's very easy for us to peg him with the Raiders, although Clint Kubiak just said, Hey, I haven't got to watch a lot of film. We were. You know, busy winning a Super Bowl with the Seahawks. So, no, I actually, like, love that. I love that his answer was like, Dude, I haven't watched a lot of college film. I didn't know I was going to be the Raiders coach. I didn't know any of this stuff. I was, like, fully invested. So, there is still part of the process that we still have to uncover. But, Redshirt Jr., 6'5", 225, he will be the number one quarterback on everybody's boards because he will likely be the only quarterback selected in the first round. Maybe Ty Simpson will talk about it. But, the story that I want to. I want to start with before we get into the film and everything else is just that his story, his trajectory of being a lightly recruited player who's the 140th ranked quarterback coming out in his class a couple years ago. He initially committed to Yale and then California's quarterback coach at the time was Bill Musgrave who is now the quarterback coach of the Jets, was the one that convinced him and said, Hey, I think I can turn you into a legit quarterback. And the same thing happened with Kirk Cignetti. He said, Hey, I think. I think I can turn you into a quarterback. It also helped that his brother Alberto was on the Indiana roster. Like, that's why he ended up transferring from Cal to Indiana. But, story-wise, this is like. This is like made-for-TV stuff. Like, there will be a movie made on Fernando Mendoza copyrights right here. Obviously. Yeah, he's fun, man. He's really fun. Just like the person. And if you. You can find him online. There's, like, videos from him, like, his first days at Cal. And he's a dorky young guy that doesn't look like. like a potential NFL star. running quarterback but to his credit put in a ton of work and like you said like almost went to yale tells you a lot about where he's at from what's going on in between the ears above the shoulders and when you watch him play and you listen to him talk yes he's a little goofy and his interviews are funny and stuff like that but like he is a very smart player and not to be like you know big media talking guy but like you got to know what you're doing when you drop back with a football it can't all be traits all the time that's why people get in trouble sometimes with chasing traits a quarterback and an experience like the years of like yeah we don't know about trailheads but what if it's like anthony richardson yeah yeah he didn't really start that many games but what if it's like this guy has started a bunch of games he's clearly shown that he understands how to play the position i think can read defenses really well he's very very smart by all accounts is a really good dude very hard worker so like all the stuff that like you kind of worry about with quarterbacks like he you at least checks those boxes does that mean he will turn into a perennial top five top six fantasy quarterback no not necessarily but when you're thinking about number one overall quarterbacks historically in dynasty usually they go to spots where the depth chart is very barren you're questioning how long does this coaching staff stick around there's turnover year over year with those types of situations i do feel like fernando mendoza is kind of built to withstand that in his first year or two in the league and then kind of develop and go from there and from an arm talent standpoint like no it's not the best we've ever seen but he can make all the throws and i really do feel like there's something with him where it almost felt like you know when guys are kind of late bloomers and they're not really highly touted and you don't know their name for like four years in a row aren't you like waiting for the shoe to drop where you're like all right okay that was a fun story it was great in college football it didn't really work i was kind of waiting for that this year eventually it's like are they going to keep getting away with this and every time he was put to the test especially in huge moments third and long type situations like that it's like oh my god he answered so i think he's got it i think he's going to stick around the league for a while and so when you're thinking about like floor for your rookie picks and dynasty especially in a super flex league i feel pretty good about fernando mendoza doesn't mean he will be like i said a perennial top five score at the position but i do feel pretty good about his ability to translate to the nfl i think we felt we all felt that if you watch college football this past season with indiana you kept waiting for there to be a moment towards the end of the season where it's like okay well they're somewhere at the very very end and then just talking in terms of college football playoff it felt like a weaker field than we've had in the past and so even their run i think people are even questioned like some of that like ah these teams weren't as good you know miami was fortunate to get there regardless of all of that when we're projecting for the nfl size so it's six five two twenty five and just the way that he throws it's more of a three-quarter arm's length it's like it's rifled there so i i love that he has enough velocity on his throws i will not say that he has elite arm strength it's solid it's good enough but with the velocity you can kind of get there um on some of those throws outside the numbers intermediate area stuff i feel like he was also really really good on back shoulder throws which that always comes with timing it comes with your oc it comes with who your wide receiver is and for being a player that transferred in it seemed like he had the rapport there with omar cooper jr elijah sarat former jmu great um go dukes bets went to jmu in case you didn't know where signetti went so i i think we're not going to really question this much i will bring up that he was mostly in shotgun he had only two snaps under center this past year so the scheme and whatever he's going to run he's probably going to do a lot more under center which is what we saw sam darnold do and i did i do think that what he's really really good at is looking at the defense his best trait you mentioned it is just reading and processing and then calling an audible shifting the play and then making sure that when you are in play action that it looks the exact same as if you're handing off the ball like that's what sam darnold i felt like excelled at this past year and obviously he's not the exact same player but there's there's not a lot of negatives about him as a passer i do have some negatives about him taking sacks um that hopefully will grow over time but those are my main concerns yeah i know you put this in our doc here just his pressure to sack ratio in the college football playoff like really skyrocketed you're playing the best player in the college football playoff so i think that's something that's going to be so it kind of makes sense but almost 30 i mean that is not good especially in college so that's one area you can poke a hole in in his overall kind of profile what he did last season at indiana was the pressure to sack ratio sometimes that does worry me but then you ask yourself again like when he gets to the nfl level is he put in a position to be able to succeed that's the one area where i am a little worried about this raiders offensive line which was abysmal last year they had injuries and stuff like that but i do think there's one one thing that we should consider. Again, not every prospect is perfect. Mendoza is not. And that is one area that is a weakness. How do you feel like he fits in the Clint Kubiak? Because obviously anything wild can happen over the next two or three months, but we're all assuming he's a Raider. How do you feel like he fits in that system? So one of the things, if you go back and watch a lot of tape, you get to see a ton of games, college football playoffs, is that there wasn't as much play action passing. And part of that is just being in shotgun. He's not under center. He had the biggest differential in terms of yards per attempt between play action and non-play action of any quarterback in college football. So he's actually down two yards per pass attempt when he did use play action passing. And the reason I bring that up is that's been the staple of the Kubiak system. It's what was so good. What made the Seahawks look so good is that every single play, you're like, they want to run the ball. And yet we talked about this all the time on the DFS podcast. They were able to get in these advantageous situations with multiple tight field and then play action and then JSNs open every single time. So I do worry a little bit about that and the experience. Players can learn that. He's obviously very teachable. He's just not going to run the way that we want. Like if we're breaking this down from film to fantasy, it's like a 7% scramble rate is fine. It is not great when we're projecting at the next level. An 8% college rush yard share is not going to translate to fantasy. That's like, 100 to 150 yards a season, not 400 yards, which makes a difference. So I think at the end of the day, he's going to take some lumps, but he has a longer leash over the next three years, I would say, to say like, I'm a franchise quarterback. For sure. I think that's a good point. I did think just to kind of speak to the rushing, there are moments where like, you can see it working when he runs like as a RPO type situation or as his own read, but he didn't do it a lot. And so yeah, historically, that has not been a good bet in fantasy, which is kind of why I mentioned like, I don't see him ever really developing into a perennial top five, top six type of guy for fantasy. But again, I think we both agree like the take home here is he may take lumps in the first year or two with the Raiders. But I do feel pretty good like in super flex leagues, you know, he's clearly the top quarterback in the class, there's not really even a discussion. Like, I think the biggest inflection point in rookie drafts, Jeremiah Love is very likely to go number one, any format you have. And then I could see some people preferring a one of the wide receivers. And I I'm cool with like, there's sometimes where a quarterback gets pushed up. And I'm like, I don't know. I do think he has long term starter potential in the league. And so that's what I was saying before. I think the floor from a dynasty rookie outlook here perspective is pretty high on Fernando Mendoza. Yeah, not to make the same player comp, they're different players. But like think about Jared Goff's career arc. And like that first year was abysmal. Yeah, being taken number one overall. Next year with McVay, you know, he ascends, he becomes, you know, a Super Bowl champion. And he's been a top 10 quarterback each of the last three years. So there is an arc for players like that. Mendoza is probably gonna run way more than Goff. But I think right now I feel comfortable with Mendoza in a super flex, like a 104 105. Where I think I just like a couple of wide receivers a little bit more. And that's just how we usually play. But I wouldn't fault anybody have taken him at 102 103 if you need quarterbacks. But if you don't need quarterbacks, like I don't I don't mind riding dirty. If I just have two starters, and Mendoza is more of a luxury. Get yourself some Malik Willis there to fill the gap. My man's gonna run. Okay, I gotta start this year. I'm telling you, you you transform from we clearly did not like Malik Willis on this podcast years ago. It's like this is and we took bets against him going number two overall. We're like, that's hilarious. That's not happening. And now you're just all of a sudden this Malik Willis truther. I just think he's gonna start this year. And like, I don't know if anybody's gonna start this year. I don't know if anybody's gonna start this year. He's a jet is what I'm hearing. Maybe or dolphin or a Viking. I mean, come on. I just think there's a mismatch right now where he's at from a trade target standpoint in dynasty and anybody doing like early sicko best ball stuff like he goes so late and it's like, I don't know, man, if you start in 12 games this year, he will run and therefore fantasy production. So he's just one of my like favorite cheap guys to get. So what a fun time to be alive. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll talk about these other quarterbacks. We'll be right back. rotation in PT school in Jonathan City, Tennessee. So I was on the east side that but he's Tennessee State Buccaneers. That's right. Okay. I'm glad we're throwing this out there. So you can talk about the football background, pedigree, all that stuff. His dad coaches. His dad was the one that came out recently and said like, everyone I've talked to, my son's got a first round grades. And then everyone else is like, I don't know about that. But coming out of high school, he was the number four quarterback in the class behind greats such as Penn State's Drew Aller and Clemson's Kate Klubdick. So coming out of high school, he was a big deal. And when you get thrown into Alabama, I'll just say this as somebody whose family watches a lot of Alabama football, you've had a lot of good quarterbacks and a lot of success over the last really 15 years. And he kind of waited his turn, which really isn't normal in this day and age of NIL money. It's like you come in as a high recruit. You don't play right away. You usually end up transferring, get some money elsewhere to be a starter. But he waited three years. To be the starter. And this past year in 2025, he started 15 games, threw for over 3,500 yards, 28 touchdowns. But there was a slow decline over the course of the season. If you watch Ty Simpson film, if you watch Alabama games, you're like, is this team that good? Now, when you watch Alabama football, you also compare them to all the other great teams. And so you start sniffing around watching these games. Like, I feel like this team isn't as good as they're giving credit. And they were. I mean, we just got to address the biggest red flag in his entire profile is the fact that he has minimal experience. And that has been a major issue in recent seasons with quarterbacks coming out. We don't know if he's going to go first round or second, but just air quotes, highly drafted guys that have minimal experience. The hit rate has been pretty much horrendous for these types of guys. So college experience matters at quarterback. That said, it's a weak quarterback class. And so I could see him getting pushed up into the first round as a result. Now, that is a yellow warning sign to everybody playing fantasy. It does not necessarily mean he is usually worthy of a first round pick. Like sometimes these guys will go there because of supply and demand issues. And when you're looking at the quarterbacks that are taking the field in week 13 in the NFL, like it's like, this is horrendous. Like we got to get more quarterbacks in the league that can do this. So I could see a team taking a shot on Ty Simpson earlier than he necessarily could. He doesn't necessarily deserves to go because of supply and demand issues. I fear that that will inflate his value arbitrarily in the super flex world. I don't, I don't know what to think of Ty Simpson, if I'm being honest, because like you said, if you watch the first, let's say like seven weeks, I mean, this dude looked like a first round quarterback. If you watch the last month and a half, it was like, this guy looks lost back there. Now I don't know the ins and outs of what's happening with the offense and why necessarily that happened. I know the run game was like, wildly inefficient, which is not the normal for Alabama. So they kind of became one dimensional. And we know that that has issues and trickle down effects on quarterback play down the road. He also looked way more skittish in the pocket in the back half, took way more sacks in the first half of the year was like a magician in the pocket can navigate pressure, throw on the run, all of those things, keep his eyes downfield and looked great doing it. So I think there's a wide range of outcomes where like Simpson gets a starting job. He sticks around the league for a handful of years and you're like, okay, he's a quarterback, 16 in fantasy, a quarterback to like, cool. I also think there's a possibility where you get to handful of starts because of his inexperience goes poorly. And then all of a sudden he's out of the league and not even on a second contract. So one of those guys that I'm fine taking a shot on a super flex league, I would not take him anywhere close to like the top eight, nine, 10 picks. Personally, he's more of like a fringe first rounder in super flex if you just need quarterback, but really for me, probably lower on my board than, than other people. Yeah. The best parts of Simpson is that he, he can dice up zone coverage. His 86% adjusted completion percentage on play action was the best in the class. So you brought it up when the run game was working early in the season. Guess what? The passing game worked really well for him and he worked really well inside the pocket. He does have some plays. So he tied Diego Pavia for the most big time throws of anybody in this class. So the best parts of him, you go, oh, wow, this is a first rounder. And that's why he was kind of mocked there for most of the season. And yet you, you've seen this kind of steady decline over the last month or so where it's like, ah, is this, this guy really a first round pick? His dad says so. And then it's kind of like, okay, he's going to end up on day two. And historically, if you're a quarterback that ends up on day two, you just have such a short leash. The team can move on the, the names that we brought up last year. It was Tyler Shuck was in that discussion of like, if you're drafted on day two, it could work, but it's him. Jalen hurts, Jimmy Garoppolo. It's a pretty long time. Pretty low list. And then you have guys like Dak who like was, you know, on day three. So it's just, it's a rare thing for somebody to be drafted and to make an impact for fantasy. He actually is a better runner than you would think. Like it's not like a huge part of his game, but like definitely a little bit more of a scrambler than you would think for somebody who profiles a pocket passer. I will also add that Alabama's wide receivers had a ton of drops. It was the worst in this class. If you're looking at the pure numbers, it was the worst in this class. It was the worst number of drops from their wide receivers. Not the impact group this year. I know people bring up Ryan Williams, who was supposed to be the dude at Alabama. And it was actually a very down year for him compared to the one before. So I think Simpson overall for fantasy is just stuck in the spot of like, well, if you're going to end up on day two and not run and be a backup, who cares? Sorry. Give him a chance. I will say just to kind of put, like you said, the positive on him was yes. The ability against zone coverage. Which does have some translated ability to the NFL today. A lot of teams are playing zone defense, you know, take away the deep play. Can you hit 10 to 19 yards on a down and down out basis and then deliver some slash plays between the numbers this year? This is per PFF. He completed 74% of his passes for 8.8 YPA with a 12 to two touchdown interception ratio. That's pretty good. That's actually really good. So I just want to say, like, I think the tools could be there for it to work. But like you said, it, it kind of feels like a, like a thin needle to thread, so to speak on Simpsons fantasy outlook. So we'll see. But yeah, most likely kind of a fringe first round pick in the NFL draft. If you were asking me right now, I would say he ends up outside the first round. I do. I agree with that because I think the most likely situation is somebody might have to trade back into the first to make it happen. And those are always really tough to predict. So I would also agree more likely round two than round one, but I think that's a good thing. All right, let's profile the only other quarterback that's currently projected in the top 100. And that's Garrett Nussmeyer of LSU. Six one two Oh five. Definitely shorter than you think watching his film. You're like, Oh, he is the son of current Saints OC, Doug Nussmeyer as you and I know him Dougie fresh. Of course, of course, Doug Nussmeyer with Kellen Moore there. It is interesting when you look at Nussmeyer. He was a four star recruit and I found this out. He moved 12 times growing up. And that is the life of being the son of somebody who works in college football on the NFL. It's like, I don't think we realize like how much turnover there is in coaching staffs, but then the trickle down effect of everybody else in their life. So poor Garrett just, you know, made some friends had to leave him made some friends or maybe he didn't make any friends. I don't know. I didn't I didn't see who went to his birthday party. You didn't have that in your scouting report. Come on. No, definitely not. But his arm, looks like he would be six, three or six, four, but he's kind of undersized and he's a little bit older, older as a prospect and doesn't run. So I just have to like first start off by saying like, there's already a lot stacked up against him. If he's going to end up going round three, round four, like there's tons of stuff in his profile. You're like, I don't, it's hard for me to say there's going to be a ton of success. For sure. Yeah. He's more of just a dynasty dart throw. Maybe he gets a couple of starts at the end of the season. On a team that wants to get a look at him and maybe he hits it. It's like he really is just a dart throw. I will say he did play through injury this past year. And so if you look at his games played, his production, his efficiency, all that stuff fell off massively from 2024, 2025 was an oblique injury. And he also dealt with a knee injury this past year. So watching him this past year, I was like, the ball placement is kind of all over the, all over the map. Maybe that was injury related. I'm not really sure, but the take home is he's not necessarily, um, anything that you can bank on for fantasy. And honestly, you shouldn't bank on for fantasy. It's more just, you need to know the name because he will be a top 100 pick and could get some starts at this end of the year as a sleeper type guy that you just see what happens. But yeah, from a fantasy production standpoint, just a 2% scramble rate. That's not what we're looking for. So I think we can keep this one pretty quick. Yeah. And I'll just add my last note. Sometimes where the ball is going feels very, very obvious. Um, and just in terms of first read, here's where it's going. And then there, our play is in the intermediate area. We were like, Oh, you can hit this, you know, 15 yard in, and this play looks really good. And it's LSU. And, you know, you can think of everything that's been good with LSU quarterback play. And then you have these turnovers. So, um, Dan Briggler brought up Mason Rudolph as a comp. And I don't know if that's mean to bring that up or if it's nice, but he's been in the league. He was third round pick stick around the league for seven or eight years as a backup. It seems like a pretty good life to me, dude. That'd be great. Um, the, there's really no other names to know. Carson Beck of Miami could sneak in. the top 100 sawyer robertson of baylor drew aller pause okay um and then the name that we've mentioned a couple times on the podcast for fantasy purposes is talon green of arkansas because he is a true unicorn at 6-6 and he's able to run so stash him put him on your taxi squad he'll look really really cool there that's that's the best part of a taxi squad anyways oh it is i mean stash the guys you like and just if they hit for one game randomly you're like see um but in all seriousness like if he does get a start or two at the end of this year for a bad team that they just want to see what can he do like he's a guy that i could see putting up like top 15 fantasy numbers just because of the rushing ability outside of that there's not much else to say and if you're one of those people like why did you not go into detail of all these players the dynasty pass will have write-ups in all of these and i i don't even know if i'm allowed to say this but i'm just gonna say it right here oh kyle we have scout we're adding something this year i did of figuring out how to add stuff to the dynasty pass without charging more like an idiot um and we have scattering reports on all players listed here um all the quarterbacks you'll have every all the write-ups what scheme fit what they're good at what they're bad at some of our notes you'll even get to see any mike and jason's uh which players they love the most of this class and so that'll all be in the dynasty pass in the app all that good stuff so that will be coming out the next release uh for the combine release so if we didn't give you all of the you know drew all or love that he deserves from penn state then maybe you could write it up there in a scattering report bets um i'll pass all right move it on tight ends all right so this class i think is fun last year's class with loveland warren fannin had the wild insane production that we kind of had to adjust when we were comparing them to previous classes and then with the emergence of rookie tight ends recently laporta bowers in last year's class i think the thinking is wow it's only going to stay like this forever and so as we're moving through these tight end prospects i do want to ask some contextual questions like when we get to kenya sadiq first is some of that going to rub off in dynasty like is some of that already being inflated into his value of what these other guys did and the the phrase i always use which makes me sound smarter than i really am is that what brock bowers did as a rookie is orthogonal to what kenyan sadiq meaning it doesn't actually affect him like what he does in the field it might affect schemes a little bit might affect play calling but brock bowers production from two years ago will not like correlate with what kenyan sadiq as a rookie does as a rookie does that make sense and does it do i sound smart i mean what a word that was just next level kyle that was great um it makes sense right like the last couple years we've been spoiled by these rookie tight ends and we've been spoiled by these rookie tight ends and we've been spoiled by these rookie tight ends like when bowers came out you knew the name for like three years in a row it's like i can't wait for this guy to come in the nfl because when he does he will be an animal and guess what he is when warren and loveland came out last year uh we were all like these guys are awesome awesome picks they're going to go in the top 15 of the nfl draft everything about their efficiency is off the charts these guys are legit even harold phantom we were like i don't know you average three and a half yards for our front like he might be pretty good he's pretty good right like there was a lot that you could point to to say this is why this is working in recent years this year's class while there are fun players and i'm excited to talk about them there's nobody even on the same remote level as those guys so even though kenyan sadiq is going to be a first round nfl pick and it's kind of been labeled as like it's sadiq's class and there's a bunch of other guys i do not think that we should artificially elevate sadiq's value relative to other tight ends in dynasty or other picks in this year's rookie class across positions because and we'll talk about him here in a minute but i do not think that we should artificially elevate sadiq's value you can poke a lot of holes in his profile too so there's nobody even close to what we've seen in recent seasons so yes i would not be surprised if we look back at the end of this year and we're like oh you remember that amazing run of rookie tight ends that we had over the last two three years it kind of took a break for a year i wouldn't be surprised by that at all yeah and with the tight end position there's still information that we're going to gather after the combine usually we throw out a lot of stuff i wrote an article a couple years ago about what we should pay attention to the combine i looked at all the research of all these different places going to gather after the combine usually we throw out a lot of stuff i wrote an article a couple years combined it and found the tight end position is kind of the one we care about the most because it translate if you're an athletic freak um we want to see that the next level we want to see the yak ability you know that you can actually break tackles that you're you know can do all these other things there's also with tight ends a couple of different terms that we use sometimes we talk about guys that are flex tight ends that are like the mike is sicky kyle pitts guys of the world it's like you're not really a tight end not really a wide receiver you're kind of out there there's the hybrid move tight end so we think about bowers kittles a great example of this of like you can literally do everything um sometimes they're called h backs that's like the herald fanon of the world uh we have a couple in this class that i think fit that and then there are the other ones where it's like trey mcbride you're just a monster you're just everything at all times and you're really really good those are rare players and then the inline uh pass and run blocking bros those are the uh the drew drew samples of the world the drew stool samples poor drew man catch the second round pick man catching strays on february 18th on a random dynasty podcast he's just trying to do his job man come on dude i also did this study and i can't remember if i ever published it but i looked at all the tight end draft selections over the last like decade and it was more of like okay so why were you drafted here you know what was your skill set how did it translate to your athleticism and some players are literally just drafted for their blocking in the second or third round so like the cardinals are not going to be able to do that they're not going to be able to do that the cardinals drafted another tight end a couple years ago named tip ryman that you're like oh this is a third round pick he must be valuable dude is just a blocker and a blocker only and that's all he's going to be and then you look at first round draft picks like hayden hurst and you go what the heck were the ravens doing they drafted another tight end that year who happened to be mark andrews so there's a variety of reasons of why you drafted tight end i think that's a really important point to bring up actually not to just poke fun at those names uh but just nfl teams sometimes like you said have a vision for how they're going to use this player that means nothing for fantasy and so this is the one position you know we know draft capital matters perhaps more than anything in this whole process of what we do at running back wide receiver and of course quarterback at tight end yes it's nice to get drafted early but this is why you see some kind of sleepers on day two some day three guys that emerge over the you know several years during the nfl is that the nfl draft capital is not so directly tied to how it translates for fantasy because like you said there are guys that get drafted in certain areas of the draft because they have a lot of value to an nfl team as a run blocker of course we don't care about that but that's what i'm trying to get it is i would not uh put so much weight into nfl draft capital at tight end the way that we do at wide receiver and running back yeah and dane brugler put out this tweet recently i think gives evidence of like because the nfl values tight ends for a variety of reasons you just saw a team that won the super bowl using a lot of 12 and 13 personnel but there were 27 tight ends invited to the combine this year the previous four years the average is about 19 so i think the nfl is thirsty for tight ends but maybe not thirsty for fantasy tight ends although we've had very very good ones recently we're gonna start off talking about kenyan sadiq out of oregon and i have to confess i don't know if you know this about me bets i am a sucker for any and all things oregon i love some people hate the uniforms they hate all that stuff with it i have always loved oregon since i was a kid i've always loved oregon since i was a kid i've always loved oregon since i was a kid love some joey harrington back in the day my you know 2003 ncaa football my ps2 oh my goodness dude what a game that was the absolute best dude that one that one was a game changer for me 2002 with chris winky also meant a lot to me but so i really like oregon and anytime i see players do cool stuff in oregon uniforms justin herbert whoever i really really like them sadiq is interesting because he's listed as 6 3 2 45 i don't think he's that tall and i think he's gonna come in around like 235 240 so a little bit a little bit smaller than how he's listed he was a four-star recruit coming out of uh idaho falls idaho beautiful love it you've been there never been neither have i um but oregon it's funny oregon kind of swooped in the last minute because all of a sudden nil money a couple years ago was like a thing and he had offers to play wide receiver to play edge rusher which is interesting because you think about him as an athlete it's like he's a guy who's been playing for a long time he's been playing for a long time that makes sense he can do anything on the field they line him up in the backfield they line him up in the slot they line him up out wide he can do anything and he played behind terrence ferguson and uh justin herbert's little brother the first two years at oregon and this past year 51 receptions 560 receiving yards eight touchdowns it was a really really good season with some really really awesome moments so where do you want to start i mean just the fact that he was recruited as a wide receiver and or edge rusher and then you watch him play you're like this dude is an absolute freak so fast forward three or four weeks when we do this release of the post combine risers i almost feel like it's a guarantee sadiq will be on that list he was on bruce feldman's freaks list which if you're not familiar with him puts together kind of like the most athletic players in the country you know and how they're going to surprise and what they do in the gym and their you know broad jump and all that sort of stuff like sadiq is going to test out of this world i feel like at the combine um and and we want that for fantasy right like we want guys at tight end have an insane speed score can jump out of the gym can do all these things because yards after the catch is so important at the position ability to break tackles and do all these things that make you a difference maker for fantasy are so important. So it does matter. And I do think that is a huge thing to watch for at Indy when they do the combine is Sadiq. Um, that said, when I look at his overall production profile, it's kind of lacking, you know, like for a guy that's pegged as like, this is your class, you're the tight end one. There's no questions about that. You're the only guy going in the first round. You would think normally you'd see more efficiency from like yards per outrun target sprout run standpoint, uh, from a dominator ring standpoint. And I would say that they're not bad, but they're not, they're not great either. So that's my one question is like, is he more of an athlete and overall very gifted athlete, or is he like a true tight end or is he a guy that like might just take time to develop because he is so young, which is good. You know, we want that in dynasty, um, and take some time to really like learn the NFL ropes. I wouldn't be surprised by that. I will say just from a usage standpoint in 2024, his yards after the catch was off the charts, 10.1 yards after the catch per reception fell off to 4.9 this year. And you might think like, okay, that's, that's not great, but they used them completely different in 2024 is average up. The target was 2.4 yards that skyrocketed to 8.3. And when you watch him play this past year, he's getting like legit downfield looks sometimes lined up at outside wide receiver in the slot. And so there's an exciting ceiling to chase with Sadiq. Because what you watch him play, you look at his physical build. It's like, this guy is insane. But then there's also the question that I have. It's like, how does he fit in the NFL? Like, can he be in every down tight end? Can he operate as an 85 plus percent snap guy and also block and get on the field for every down? I don't know that because he didn't really do that at Oregon. So that's just one thing I have kind of circled as a question mark throughout the process on Sadiq is to see if we can learn some of that stuff. But like I said, this is one of those guys, when you watch the combine, you're going to want to watch, dude, his tape is really, really fun. His best moments I would say are some of the things that like have stayed with me of all the players I've scouted so far. So Hey, bringing this up, but his tight end against Penn state, the big 10 championship game is, is iconic to me. It's not just like a random touchdown that you see in someone's like, it is like jumping over somebody. I mean, it's just like amazing play the USC game. If you really want to see a complete game, that's like one of those games where in almost every facet of the game as um, two touchdowns, like that is, that is the game. That's just like, Oh, this dude is one of the best players in college football. And also man, so many leaping catches, so many catches where he's like full extending. And, uh, so it's pretty awesome. But I brought this up when we were talking last year about Harold Fannin jr, who had the production profile was moved all over the field. It needed a very specific landing spot for Fannin to be effective right away. And it happened to be the Browns, which we would are like, Oh man, he'll be behind David and Joku. Nope. Right away. This dude was the top target earner on his team. Sadiq has to land in that type of spot or else what you end up doing is chasing somebody who is a traits player who is drafted in the first round and never ends up being the, you know, second best target on his team. And the player that I thought of is Noah Fant who I don't know if you remember, like was he tested through the roof was like maybe one of the best tight end prospects from a athletic state. And yet when you look at his career, you're like, okay, Seattle, the Broncos, the Bengals, he was never really somebody like that earned targets at an elite level that mattered for fantasy. And so I worry about the Sadiq. When I look at all the other first round tight ends, he's kind of far behind the rest of them. For sure. And for context on this year's class, like just looking at career yards for that round, which is not perfect because in today's world, rosters are changing left and right quarterbacks come in and out and all that sort of stuff. But if we're just looking at y'all, uh, raw yard sprout run for career in this class, Eli Stowers, 2.34, Michael Trigg, 1.87, Justin Jolie, 1.78, Max Claire, 1.74, then Kenyan Sadiq, 1.72. And that's what I was saying. Like, it's fine, but his production and efficiency does not match the hype of like, this is your class. You're the first round guy. So incomplete profile, I'd say, but definitely you can see it. You can see the ceiling for sure. Okay. So as of right now, we know we were pretty sure he's gonna be a first round pick. I don't see him sliding outside of that. We consider him to be the only tight end that's really in the top 40 that could be drafted. And because of that, in a rookie draft, does that land him like 108 ish? So it's going to be obviously love the big three wide receivers. I see there's at least five wide receivers I would want ahead of Sadiq. We both love Casey Concepcion. There's a couple other players in this class that I think could sneak in there. I think he will settle probably into the 106 to 109 range. Okay. And I think if you want the slow burn, that's okay. I am not expecting year one elite production the way that we've seen from Laporta or any of these guys recently, but really fun player. And I told Betts this earlier. I said, if I like for my NFL team, I would love to have Kenyan Sadiq on my team. Like, I think he's going to be a really good player. I think he's going to be a really good player. I think he's really good in all facets of the game. He did everything asked of him in college, special teams, everything. He's a really, really fun player. And yet for fantasy, I think there's going to be a little bit of discrepancy there. And that's like what we have to realize with the game we play is like, we're analyzing all these things. This is good for the NFL. And yet it could be just fine for fantasy. I'm not projecting the same elite ceiling of some of these other guys. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. All right. Next guy we're going to talk about is Max Claire tight end out of Ohio state is junior six, five to 43. He was a three-star recruit out of Cincinnati, right there at St. Xavier high school. I did watch some baseball highlights of him for about 10 minutes. I need to confess that. And what do we, what do we got to, when you put up a four 77 on base percentage as a senior, you get some looks, man. He had a smooth left hand. He had a smooth stroke. Not quite the power that you would think from somebody his size, but smooth player started off at Purdue. All right. So going back to football, his little brother is currently a freshman tight end at Purdue and he's listed as six, six. I'm going to put that in air quotes, but what's interesting about Claire is his first two seasons at Purdue. He's really good. His second season was awesome. And then transfer to Ohio state is the number one tight end in the state. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. And my biggest issue with watching his film is there's the Ohio state stuff where he's kind of just a guy. And then there's the stuff the year before at Purdue. That's like awesome. His sophomore year stuff, Purdue. I really enjoyed the film. So where do we find the balance of what he's going to be in the NFL? If he's not the number one target, because he basically was the number one guy for the Boilermakers. Yeah. If you just watch Ohio state this past year and Max Claire, it's really uninspiring. Because they had some guys named Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate running the show. And when those are the top two weapons on your offense, it would be horrible play, like play design to not feature those guys. So of course he didn't really do that much this past year. We were joking before the show. I was like, he kind of turned into like Dalton Schultz on Ohio state, which is just like, he's running around out there. You know, he'll get a couple of targets every now and then he'll catch a couple of touchdowns, but like, he's not the offense. And if you only watch that, you'd be Max Claire's the most boring prospect in the world, but please go watch him at Purdue, especially two years ago in 2024. Now caveat, the Purdue team that year was absolutely horrendous. There were like one in nine or something at one point in the season, but like he was the offense and he was wildly efficient and really good after the catch. One of those guys that I don't think is like a physical imposing specimen, but when you watch him play, like he understands, I think leverage at his routes. And then when he's up in the open field, I think he's got some pretty good juice. So I don't know where the truth is on him between the Ohio state version and the, this guy's dominating the offense at Purdue version. It's probably somewhere in the middle. What does that mean for fantasy? I'm not sure. But when you look at his production profile from 2024, that's what we're using for his best season. I mean, it's green across the board. So if you're just looking at like, Hey, who produced in college, like a true fantasy tight end and who's going to get pretty decent draft cap. Max Claire is one of those guys that will fall into that bucket. So no, you shouldn't like prioritize him or overdraft him in your rookie draft. But I think there's a fun group of tight ends that could go in like the second to early third of your rookie draft. And I wouldn't be surprised if any of these guys hit long-term he's in that bucket for me. So I definitely have interest in Max Claire again, more because of what he did at Purdue, not necessarily this last year at Ohio state. He's okay. So he's similar in size to what Colson Loveland is in and I think he can move better than I would expect for someone his size. Now he's not a burner. Like he's not like running away from people by any means, but there are plays where he just gets to move. He's lined up most of the time, flexed out or as the second inline tight end. So he's not going to be a primary blocker. And the player that I like comp wise, as you're a day to pick that you have some yak ability, you have the size and you're not going to be the primary blocker that I gave is he could be 90% of what Mark Andrews was, who was the second tight end drafted by the Ravens that year. And you can attack teams. down the seam you can work inside the red zone he's not as like bulky as andrews are but same height and i think that it can work i just don't know what fit he's going to be and right away he's not going to be the number one tight end like he's not going to start for a team day one he's going to take some time to develop he's still really young but he's intriguing to me um especially if he lands in the right situation like if he lands with the chiefs i'm interested of course you are um yeah he's he's really interesting because like i said at the at the top kind of at the the overall look at this class it's a deep group of tight ends so pick your flavor like which guy do you like from this kind of secondary group is a fun way to attack this position this year in dynasty rookie drafts but i wouldn't be surprised if any of these guys that we're going to talk about from claire on aren't like in your starting lineup in fantasy this year but this is why we play with taxi squads and why we like formats where you have a deep bench and you can hold a guy for a year or two i i do think claire has a chance to develop in a couple years to like be somebody that we care about in fantasy again wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work out because that's how it goes at tight end fantasy but i do think the tools are there and the scheme fit will depend on that but overall i was pleasantly surprised because sometimes i only watched the most recent season but with claire i was like i don't why is he being mocked like in the third round of all these nfl drafts like i'm missing something and then i went back to purdue tape and i was like okay now i understand so if you haven't watched it yet uh listeners it's a really really fun watch go check it out all right next name is eli stowers of vanderbilt listed as a grad student which you know bets and i we don't hold that against people as people that finished grad school we're cool with that man um andy mike and jason would never dude those guys i mean it's it's just sad um eli stowers is an interesting player in terms of his path he's from denton texas which is home of north texas the mean green i mean what a what a fun team there um but he came in as a quarterback and if you go back and you look at recruiting uh different sites he was listed as the 12th quarterback of four-star recruit in that class just ahead of names like jackson dart and jaylen milrow that's hilarious i i've shared this before i i loved high school recruiting stuff back in the day i used to just go through these lists all the time it's really really fun if you go back a couple years and you just look at some of these lists you're like man it is all over the map of where like you know fernando mendoza any of these guys are listed coming out of high school and it shows you how players can develop stowers went from a quarterback at vanderbilt he was originally recruited at texas a&m then new mexico state then followed diego pavia to vanderbilt and put on a ton of muscle in college or in high school he was listed at 215 now he's listed at 235 so of this class he has the production profile of somebody who commanded targets in an offense which is really really cool like we can translate that to a lot of different things like we can translate that to a lot of different things like to ppr production at the next level i just don't know what part he's going to have in an nfl offense because he's not an every down tight end yeah i put in my notes here like tight end in name only because he really is like a big slot wide receiver and if you if you love to play this game from the analytical side and not really watch imagine imagine get your hand in the dirt watch the tape if you're like kyle and you'd like to only look at this game in spreadsheets this is your guy the arts route run is off the charts he was targeted on 27 of his routes over the last few years at bandy like he was the air quotes wide receiver one he was he was the dude but when you watch and then you kind of put context around you're like okay i can see how this could work for fantasy like the evan ingram-esque style of player where it's like you know he's not really probably going to be a full-time player initially um i know a lot of like nfl scouts have kind of like he needs to learn how to block and when you talk about like he was recruited as a high school quarterback coming out that makes a lot of sense like when you watch him it does kind of seem like he's still learning to be a tight end but the receiving ability is definitely there he is athletic and i do think he's another guy that's going to test pretty well at the combine so there's enough data points to say this might work and if a team you know values him enough to draft him in like let's say the third round or something okay leave the light on he's a guy that's really fun to stash and see what happens but he does enter this mold of like how does he fit in the nfl is the question can he be an every down player and i think right now when looking at his film and his production everything in totality i think the answer to that question is probably no which means again like max claire and even to some degree like uh sadiq it might take a little time here for uh elias towers but the film is fun the receiving metrics are awesome so for sure i am leaving the light on that this could work yeah a couple notes i have he sets up his defender pretty well especially on in breaking routes and then i said when his hips are on he gets separation so you know you know how it is man when you were studying his hips level dude it matters man what was his pad level like i don't know but sometimes when he got pressed at the line he got crushed like he got knocked off his route and that just comes from somebody who's hasn't played tight in his entire life so i think he could be somebody who contributes right away on third downs and i think he could be somebody who contributes right away on third downs and i think that works for an nfl team like you just think about what the rams did this past year whereas like colby parkinson was the red zone dominator davis allen was kind of a jack of all trades guy tyler higby is like ancient and still doing his thing and then there's trans ferguson who was downfield or nothing type of dude everybody had a role of what they could do and i think he could fit that specific role on a team as a second or third tight end um so i'm interested if he gets day two draft capital in a full ppr league i could see the route where he ends up becoming you know a top 10 tight end eventually which what does that even mean nowadays for sure i i think there's remember that like one season with the dolphins where mike is sick he was like a ppr monster for fantasy i could see a season in the first like three or four years of his career where it's like okay we got one of those years great and then all of a sudden like he doesn't fit with his team you know that sort of thing um so we'll see but like i said the the film was fun and the production as far as efficiency is definitely there so it's one of those guys that you want to pay attention to but like kyle's saying um it's it's it's fun to talk about these guys but also it's kind of a sad reality right because like in fantasy we're starting the top 12 tight ends in the entire league and right now because there's so many good young ones we already know like the top seven or eight so it's like you have to be awesome to break into this mold that we even care about in fantasy which is really tough unless you play in a you know double tight end league which if you um i feel sorry for you oh yeah well i mine is mostly tight ends only uh obviously kickers i'm not i'm not an idiot oh and best position in football yeah and contested catches only those leagues are really fun all right i have two more players that i have to bring up in this tight end class the next one is michael trigg out of baylor aka trick daddy trick daddy um this is mike's favorite player in the class now he's not going to have him ranked number one he hasn't ranked two among tight ends so this the story is all over the map i gotta just throw this out there from trigg he was a four-star recruit coming out of tampa florida started at usc then he transfers from usc to old miss with jackson dart so they're buds that means anything to you then he suspended a couple of times at old miss and baylor and missed some games in 2021 missed some games in 2022 so you got some injury stuff and then he's going to be a four-star recruit coming out of tampa florida and then the story behind the scenes is that he was kicked off old miss's team for disciplinary reasons missing practices and then the tight end that they brought in the transfer portal was hurt the first couple of games of the season trigg played those games when he came in trigg didn't play a snap against bama and trigg was like peace i'm out and they kind of had a falling out he ends up at baylor and has some really really fun tape so it is all over the map but the word we have to associate mike would be very mad if we were to say that he's a four-star recruit we didn't bring it up is of all the players in the class this dude has the dog oh my goodness man um yeah ignore all the red flags off the field everything on the field is super fun and i i do think like he probably will be off multiple teams boards just period because of some of the background stuff but if we're just talking about if he gets on the field and he gets his head together he's off your board right because you you hold a strict standard for your fantasy team of course not dude i want all the bad boys give me trigg um if you do this we're just talking about on the field at baylor those last couple years one of the first plays i saw when i turned on on the film was i forget the game against who it was but he was in the open field against a cornerback and just shoulder down this cornerback folds in half and just falls backwards and i immediately messaged mike after i saw his rookie rankings and i said i assume you saw this play and he goes dog that's all he said so i knew immediately when i saw the play why mike loved it and i was like oh my god he's a good guy he's a good guy he's a good guy and this dude to his credit broke a ton of tackles over the last couple years 24 missed tackles forced per pff um and was second this year among all tight ends so when you're thinking about we joke about it with like mason taylor types last year and stuff like that like he legit does break tackles and has insane efficiency because kind of like the other guys in this class he's not really a tight end like he's a wide receiver who was just a man amongst boys out there and dominating at baylor so his highlights are so fun because he's a good guy and he's a good guy and he's a good guy It's a lot of one-handed catches, contested catches, diving catches. running over you know cornerbacks that are giving him 50 pounds but all that to say it's like i don't know i don't know where he's at mentally as far as off the field type stuff i also don't know how he fits today's game from a being every down tight end so it's kind of like we keep saying with this this class there's not this like traditional you're gonna play 80 of the snaps at tight end guy so it's a thin needle thread for fantasy but my goodness if he does get a chance and he can produce like he did at baylor it's gonna be super fun for fantasy yeah his two uh buzzwords that you're gonna hear which you know if you want to create a little game a bingo card of every all the things you're gonna hear we've talked about those um his is gonna be off the field stuff and basketball background those are gonna be the two that like everyone's there i did find a really fun article when he was recruited at usc that was back in the day when drake london was there which is crazy to see that they were on the same field at usc trig and drake london who's playing at usc is going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's four years in the nfl um that like this could be like a you know a front court of a basketball team is what they were trying to talk about with with those two but um i feel like he makes the plays down the field as like a seam tight end that are really fun he's twitchy which for a tight end is not normal it is a spread offense at baylor so if you're wondering why sire robertson their quarterback of baylor is not getting as much hype there's just issues when you look at teams from college to the pros and the can their offense translate and i wonder about the same thing with trig he is the wild card of this class like the landing spot needs to be there the coaching staff needs to be there there's all those things i found this quote from sports info solutions that says there are concerns about his on-field demeanor as he tries hard when he is the primary target but lacks the same effort when he is not expecting the ball he gets visibly frustrated when not targeted or when teammates make mistakes and has very poor body language good locker room guy what's the guy that's the guy you want dude but he's a dog and so um there are very few players that have this type of career arc scouting profile i saw gerald everett thrown out who was a second round pick by sean mcveigh back in the day like when you get the ball you can be an athletic freak but we'll see where he ends up wild card of this draft i do have one more name i want to bring up because he's an interesting name is justin joe lee tied in out of nc state is he really six three is he really six three is he really six three i mean they can't put anything on the internet that's not true kyle as you've learned over the years listen to six three two sixty three that is quite generous it didn't look like that to me watching him play he looked a little undersized but um that's what it says on the internet and you can't put anything on the internet it's not true so interesting story but uh two-star recruit and played wide receiver in high school so really the tight end portion of his game is also part that you're like is he really a titan you kind of brought that up all these prospects like i are you really a true titan um i i saw some high school conversations where he talked about like i basically wanted to be davante adams that's mostly how i thought about what i did and this past year most of his stuff at nc state was all underneath stuff like if you look at his a dot all of his stuff is just short underneath stuff where he sits in zone and he had some really good sideline catches but he's not really explosive um i don't see him as an every down tight end i would say he takes a while to get up to speed like it's just not fast so in this class is he the titan five sure i just don't think he's much more than just like a an ancillary option in a passing game i think for how it works in the nfl that's probably the most likely outcome um that said when he does get opportunities i mean this guy is producing like legit numbers and like his catch uh catch rate and hands are awesome so that's where the wide receiver background definitely shows up like he's a natural hands catcher he can make contested catches but like you said his role changed quite a bit this past year as a dot was down more just like underneath type stuff and he wasn't this like physical tackle breaking machine underneath where like you think about and this is not fair to compare anybody to but like you think about like train mcbride it's like yeah some of his stuff's underneath but you know when he gets that ball he's not going down he's going to pick up five or six yards after the catch that's not what was happening with these targets like it was a lot underneath stuff and then not a ton of um after the catch ability at that i will say he was really good in the red zone like a bunch of his touchdown catches came inside the 25 yard line so he was a weapon down there and obviously that's something that we want to want to see in college so i do think the physical tools are there as far as his ability to produce and his uh wide receiver background shows up but like you said a little undersized how does he fit that's kind of the same recurring theme with this this class is how does he fit in the nfl and that's why this is so hard to translate from uh you know how does he fit in the nfl and that's why this is so hard to you know your final year in college to year one in the pros it's not the norm even though recently we have had that it's not the norm over the last you know handful of years decade uh but i think he has a role in the nfl i just don't know what that means for fantasy yeah i wrote for his nfl scheme fit that he's a committee tight end who might be used best as a check down receiver as a zone buster and the highest in comp i could give like and i think this is being super probably too nice is isaiah likely who was a fourth round pick and in dynasty circles i feel like isaiah likely is like a big name that people think like this is awesome you just compare this guy to isaiah likely but likely he's kind of had a very specific role hasn't really broken out as of this recording we don't know where he is in terms of free agency so probably round four round five pick uh just a name you need to know justin joe lee because you and your mom are going to call him justin jolly don't do that if you do that everyone knows you don't know ball so you got to call him by the way uh a couple other tight ends i just need to mention oscar delp out of georgia i kind of like jack injuries out of texas he was there with mendoza at california has some fun plays eli rairden of notre dame is huge if you're looking for a prospect that is just like 6566 he's interesting uh any final thoughts on this year's class i mean there's other names that are in the profiles yeah no i think the general take home is that it's not the class that we saw last year by any means there's one guy that's being billed as the dude in this class which is obviously kenyan sadiq but in general there's no like this guy's going to come into the league and play 85 of the snaps and be an every down tight end it's a group of really good pass catchers that have really good efficiency metrics that will have a role in the nfl i feel very good about that but might be inconsistent or just take time to get there so really fun tight end class i was actually more excited about it after watching all these guys than i was going into the process that like i said you'll use a third round rookie pick on maybe a fourth round rookie pick on maybe a second round rookie pick on stashing for a couple years and see what happens yeah my prediction is that you're gonna see a run on tight ends in rounds four and five this year just the way the nfl's trended and there's a lot of guys in that range that i think teams are gonna look at and be like ah this this year's class is good but i don't need to spend the draft capital on day two for these guys and so usually for fantasy when we see somebody that ends up round four round five i mean there's the george kittles of the world that you can point to but he's an outlier and he's going to be an outlier um good for the nfl not great for fantasy that is is that like what we should name our show good for the nfl these prospects are not great for fantasy i mean we could one of them could pop up let's be optimistic come on one of these guys could okay well then just say it who do you think other than sadiq has the highest ceiling highest ceiling michael trigg lowest floor michael like likes playing anyways so it totally makes sense only one person wins your league every year i mean come on yep that's gonna do it for this episode next week we will be back talking wide receivers make sure you go to 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