200. 200TH EPISODE: Reddit Scary Stories With Shane Madej

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And to help me celebrate today, I could think of no one better than my friend Shane Mede. I actually watched a lot of Buzzfeed Unsolved when I was starting Hearts Arts Pounding, recording episodes in my closet. So I wanted Shane to come over here to the Rogue Detecting Society headquarters so that I could tell him some true scary stories. And he also shares a couple with me, including this wild story about trusting your intuition and another one about a town that blew up a whale. So you're going to want to listen. But seriously, thank you guys so much for 200 episodes. To go from recording in my closet to having an Netflix podcast has been quite the arc and truly it is all because of you guys. People do see how strong and cool our community is and they want in. Darkly curious gang forever, I love you guys. Wherever you listen, you can let me know what your favorite episode of the last 200 have been and also what you want to see next in the next 200. Okay, let's get into the episode. Shane, welcome to Hearts Arts Pounding. Thank you for having me. What an honor. I'm excited that you're here. I'm excited to hear some twisted tales. You seem like a hard person to scare. You know what? Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah. Have you been on, because I think I heard you say in an interview I was listening to that this is like your 10th year doing it is as of like a week or two ago, 10 years. I think it was October 2016. We went our first ghost hunting trip was to it was a very poorly planned trip because it was the Winchester. Oh, that's fun. When we flew down to Mexico City, and this was all in the span of like five or six days. Yeah, you're just like hitting all of us. So Winchester, Mexico City to go to the island of the dolls and then we flew up to Atchison, Kansas. Oh, for. So it's kind of a weird. We just go to the Sally House. Oh, the Sally House. Okay. So you did like heavy hitters all in the first go. Yeah. And you went to all of them and you were like, this is fine. Like nothing here. It was funny because I had never really reconciled my thoughts on ghosts before that trip. Yeah. Ryan Bergara was like, oh, you know, the previous host of the show Brent was like, I don't want to do this anymore. The show was like was out for like three months and it was getting successful. And Ryan was like, let's do some ghost hunting. And Brent was like, yeah. Yeah. He didn't want to. I don't really want to do this. So Ryan was like, do you do you want to step in for him? I was like, sure. Oh, and you said you've had really like never thought about it before. I was literally next to him at Buzzfeed and he was like, hey, do you have time on your calendar to do this? I was like, yeah, sure. So then we were going ghost hunting. And I was like, do I believe in ghosts? I guess I really don't. Yeah. I was like, I guess I've never really given the time of day to them. What an arc for your life then to have this view like the last 10 years. I know. Yeah. It's really something. And you don't feel any closer to believing than you did as a vegan. Now people always ask me about that. They're like, we've been doing this for 10 years, surely you must have inched a little bit closer. Yeah. You wasn't seeing something. I would think you've seen something. I've not seen a thing and Ryan Bergara believes he's seen everything. So both of us, it's kind of fascinating that we've just remained on these parallel tracks for 10 years. Yeah. Never the twain track. And neither have budged. No. That's so interesting. Yeah, because this happens to me a lot where I'll be like out of family party or on a train or something. And I'll like just talk to the person next to me and tell them what I do. And they're like, Oh, I have to tell you something. Like, I don't believe in ghosts, but I had this thing happen to me that I can't explain. And they'll tell me like the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life. Yeah. Like I had a woman on a train tell me she's like deeply devout Christian. She's like, I don't believe in ghosts like my religion. We don't believe in ghosts. I had the same where I was in Gettysburg with my mother and my daughter who was two at the time. Yeah. And my daughter was like sleeping on my lap. I was up late at night in this hotel and they told us when we like got into the hotel that is like an old timey hotel like, Oh, it's kind of spooky and she like, okay, whatever. We're just staying here. And at like midnight, she's talking to her mom and her hotel room. Her daughter's asleep in her lap. Her daughter gets up and just starts looking at the corner of the room and she's like, being are you okay? And she goes, Mom, is that man going to get me and then just goes back to sleep? She's like, so I don't know what that was, but I had to switch rooms. But there's a lot of stories about like babies and children and like pets. Yeah. Yeah. Like staring at a corner or something. Yeah. I had a cat and he would sometimes just stare at nothing, you know, see demons. I always, when people do tell me stories like that, I'm always, I'm never like, I don't ever. Yeah. I'm never like, I think you're lying to me. Yeah. I always believe that people are speaking with conviction when they say these things. I think so too. Yeah. I may think it's something else, but like a lot of times people would be like, I woke up and I saw this and I'm in the back of my mind like, well, that's probably just sleep paralysis. As someone who has sleep paralysis and has had it like for a long time, like you have it regularly. Yeah. And usually when I'm stressed out, sleep deprived. Yeah. So now being a new mom. Right. Oh, you're just haunted by the hat, man. Yeah. By the hat man who I, I'll hear him banging on my door. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I'll hear a man banging on my door. Let me in. Let me in. I can hear his voice in my head. And now I'm pretty good at breathing through it. I heard that on average, it only lasts three seconds and so I can like, okay, just breathe for three seconds. Three seconds? I don't think it lasts for three seconds. I've counted to like, at least 22 and so. It's like a time stretch kind of like it feels longer. I think so because I've also had it where I'll wake up and be like, I can't breathe. And it's because when your body paralyzes all the muscles to sleep, it also paralyzes some of the muscles around your lungs. Yeah. So you can, you'll wake up and those muscles will still be paralyzed. So it feels like you can't breathe. Well, probably when you're sleeping too, your body is breathing, but it like a slower rate. Yeah. And then if you wake up and are freaked out by something, you want to breathe faster. Yes. So you're trying to like manually like. And you can't. Yeah. So you feel like you're suffocating, but I, yeah, I'm able to kind of breathe through it now or just at least count myself through it, but I've, oh my gosh, I've had figures crawling to bed with me. Oh my gosh. I feel like I'm dying. I've woken up to like demons just turning, like opening up a book in front of me and just turning the pages. That's kind of cool. They're the reading. They're like studying. You're putting on a little show for you. Yeah. Exactly. But so when someone's like, yeah, I woke up in the middle of the night and there's a figure at the foot of my bed, I'm like, ooh, I've had that too, girl. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't sleep on your back. I've heard that. That's a contributing. When I'm on my back, yeah. Okay. That's a big thing. I should try sleep. I'm always like a side or a stomach sleeper. You want to induce the sleeper? I kind of want to give it a go. You should stay up for like three day straight. Okay. And just try to like do a lot of really hard work. Like just be really stressed out. Manual labor, three day straight. Yeah. Just like have someone like scream at you. Get in like a huge fight with your wife and then fall asleep and I, the hot man will appear. I've heard taking Benadrill. That's the recipe for hot man. Yeah. Okay. And some Benadrill. And some Benadrill. Three days. Wide awake. Manual labor. Get enough fight with my wife. Huge fight. Yeah. Pop some Benadrill. And here he comes for three seconds. And Shane, you're going to be a believer. After that, you're going to be like, I take back everything I said, I am a believer now. Well, I have stories that I want to read to you today. Wonderful. Kind of in the vein of, as I was like going through a picking stories, I wanted to find ones where it's like, oh, is this paranormal or is this of our world? Yeah. I think a couple of these are pretty open-ended. So I'm going to start with the first one. Okay. Then I'm going to read to you. Right. It was posted on Creepy Encounters four days ago and it's just titled backwards. So let me redo this story. So this person writes, I used to work at this gas station. I got up early in the morning 3 a.m. It was always pitch black when I went in. There were only two openers me and this other girl. We would enter through the back door and do our usual morning stuff. This particular morning was no different than the rest, whose middle of the winter bitterly cold, snowing lightly, no wind. I start flipping on lights and preparing to open the front doors when I see a figure across the parking lot. I can't really make them out at first, not too tight. Paul, maybe five, five slim build. I walked to the front doors, ready to unlock them, and then this weird ominous feeling falls over me. I looked up and this figure had gotten closer. They're now next to the pumps. This person is completely dark as if they're covered, head to toe and dark fabric, definitely wearing a jacket and pants and shoes, but they looked almost flat like they had no face and their stride was really strange. My co-worker is now at my side and we're both just watching. I'm not even sure what I'm looking at at this point. They continued past the gas pumps and into the parking lot of the tow truck company next door. And that's when I realized this figure is walking backwards. I asked my co-worker, "Is that person walking backwards?" And she whispered back, "Don't unlock the doors." But it was time to open, so I did. And I was very compliant, I love it. As soon as I do, this person turns 180 degrees and starts bolting back towards the door of our gas station. My co-worker screams, "And I rush to lock the doors again." And once they get to the doors, they stop, like dead stop. And I'm pretty sure both me and my co-worker's jaws are on the floor at this point. The figure slowly turns around to face us. It's a woman. She's pale and smiling, a crooked seething smile. She has these jet black eyes. It was like looking into a black hole. It was horrifying. The feeling of dread was walling up inside me so immensely, I thought I was going to throw up. This woman starts pounding on the door so hard that I'm sure she had bruises on her hands. And she was smiling at us the whole time. That was enough for both of us. We sprinted to the back, we called the cops, but by the time they got there, she was long gone. The cops did see her footprints in the snow, though, and they confirmed that she must have been walking backwards. We checked the camera footage afterwards. She walked away after we ran to the back. Again, walking backwards. She walked back through the parking lot and off camera into the next lot. And that is the last we saw of her. It was so strange. - That's a good bit. - Isn't that crazy? - And she committed to it. - Yeah. - Even walking away. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just think it was like a woman out there who was like, I'm just going to walk backwards. - So she walked to the tow truck company backwards. But at that point, couldn't they see her face, I guess? - I guess they couldn't see her face or couldn't see her face the whole time. I'm not sure. But they saw her when she was like at the window. They could tell that it was a woman. But walking backwards is hard. - It is. Yeah. - So, oh, that one, I was reading that one last night. It was like giving me shivers. - This actually does illuminate something which is that I do get frightened by video games. - Oh, interesting. - So only thing, I'll watch like any horror movie. - Wow. - There's a video, there's something about horror video games just like I can't deal with them. - Why do you think that is? - I don't know, I get frustrated with non-horror video games if they're too difficult where I'm like, "I don't want this." - Yeah. - Like I quit. - Yeah. - I feel like a little bit of challenge, but. - Yeah, but not too much challenge. - But that reminds me, there was a video game that we played somewhat recently. I think it's called Closing Shift. And it's this very low-fi video game where you work at like a coffee shop. - All right, horrifying. - And you have to like close it up at the end of the night and you're the only one there. And it's just, it's like a very narrative video game where each night creepier and creepier things start happening. - That's awesome. - There's a person who eventually like breaks in and tries to kill you. - That's really scary. And you're scared playing that game. - I did get quite scared playing it. - Ooh, I mean, one of the scariest things that ever happened to me was when I worked at a McDonald's and I used to have to close. 'Cause I worked in a airport. So I had had to park in the commuter lot like way far away. So I would close up, it was usually fine in the airport 'cause there's security, I was passed like the TSA. But when I left at night, there was one night where I got followed by a group of guys. Like back to my car, like all the way on the end of the commuter lot. Like there is something so scary about closing. - Yeah, I used to do that at Starbucks. - Oh really? - Yeah. It was closing, but also like sometimes we'd have to open it like four and I'd get there and then be just be pitch blank and there's no one else. It's still winter, so it's freezing. - Oh yeah, 'cause they opened so early. Yeah, what time do they close? - ours would usually close around like 10 or 11. - Okay, so it's like it's nighttime at that point. It's like pitch black. And then sometimes during the evenings, like they were like firefighters nearby and they'd come out and they'd like hang out at the Starbucks with us and everyone would be like, "Yay, the firefighters are here." (laughing) - What a fun day of work. - Have some free coffee, hang around. - Yeah, yeah, go ahead and protect us, yeah. - I never had any specifically scary things happen at that Starbucks, but the vibes were potent at night. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get a lot of scary listener writings about people who are like closing up at the Burger King and have to leave and there's like someone waiting for them in the parking lot or yeah, it's just like right for that stuff. But this, you don't think cryptid, you don't think she was some sort of like, - It feels like a lady who maybe was just going through some stuff or maybe going through stuff and had a good sense of humor. - She was smiling, yeah. - She was smiling. - It was a funny joke for her. - I always, we had a show called "Are You Scared" which dug into a lot of these old spooky internet creepypastas. And I do think it's funny how like as scary as this was, I can't imagine her eyes looked like black holes. People always like, I was sucked into the madness of the vortex of her pupils. - Yeah. - It's like, it's not that scary. - Like she just had dark brown eyes. - Maybe you were scared that she had brown eyes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't tell a lot from people's eyes, but yes, when people are like, oh, the dark vortex of, like sometimes I'm like, were they on drugs and just had big pupils or I just like dark, I don't know. - It does sound like maybe some drugs were involved. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. The walking backwards though, I would just, I would freak out. I'm a scary cat though a little bit and I think I would have a really hard time. - I mean, honestly, if I were in this situation, I probably would be a little unnerved. - Yes, yes. - If the backwards lady walked up and started pounding on the windows. - You were just alone. - Yeah, I come there. - Oh, but I'm sure. - Yes, yes. They did the right thing they called out. - Or I'd try to be like, hey, what's going on? - Try to talk to her. - Yeah. - Try to go inside. - She wants to chase her backwards. - Yeah. - Maybe she is just having a hard time. - Maybe having a hard time. - Just snowy out, let her in, give her a hot cup of Joe. - See, that makes me scared though. I don't know. Like talking to people who are like having a hard time, sometimes I'm like, knock me in. - I mean, certainly this is not the best survivors instinct for me to be like, come on in. - Hey, you could use a coffee. This episode is brought to you by Katrava. The holidays are always my favorite time of year, but let's be real. Between the dinner parties and the travel, my stomach really goes through it. So I've been adding Katrava's new three-in-one digestive boost to my morning shake, and you're going to feel the difference. 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Follow @MinkyKatra on Instagram for holiday inspiration, new arrivals, special offers, and all the exciting things happening at Minky Katra this season. Okay, let me read another one to you then. So we're on that one, we've decided not paranormal, just a silly little woman with a silly little woman with a twisted sense of humor. With a twisted sense of humor. Okay, so this one comes from a thread that's what paranormal experience still gives you chills when you think about it. This person writes, this was from 20 days ago. So the house that I grew up in had spooky stuff happen constantly. And my sister and I both had a slew of strange and scary things happen to us. But the only one that happened to me that was questionably paranormal, meaning that I can't explain it away, was this one. It's not that I don't believe the other things happen, but more that they could be explained away if I really thought about it. So I was probably 12 or so when this happened. And up to that point, my sister who was 10 and I shared a bedroom. We only had two bedrooms in our house. So at some point I got fed up and decided that my room was now going to be our unfinished basement. I was sleeping one night and I was startled awake by laughing. When I sat up, my sister was sitting on a couch we had down there, about 15 feet away from me. I was pissed that she was in my room and was doubly pissed that she woke me up. So I started yelling at her to leave. And she just started laughing again. After several tries, I yelled at her to leave. And she was still laughing. So I started getting up to go upstairs and tell her parents. I got up and I tripped on my way out of my bed. So I fell and at that point I just told her what I was doing, going upstairs [BLANK_AUDIO] her parents. All of a sudden, her demeanor changed, and she lowered her gaze and started glowering at me. She tracked me all the way through the basement as I headed towards the stairs, and I looked back at her several times before I exited the basement. My sister's room was on the way to my parents' room, and as I was passing, I glanced into her room to find her sleeping soundly in her bed. So obviously, she couldn't pass me up two flights of stairs without me noticing, so I immediately frozen the hallway when it dawned on me that she was never in my room. I actually ended up crawling straight into bed with her because I was too scared to go back in the basement. Needless to say, after that point, I decided my independence and privacy wasn't all that important anymore, and I moved back in with my sister. It's a beautiful story. It's beautiful. She learned her lesson. Yeah. Sisterhood is important. Girlhood. That is really nice. I don't know what you make of that one. I don't know. I do get a lot of mimic stories, too, from listeners. Like that's crazy to me. That feels like it should be an extension of sleep paralysis or something, but yeah, because it's another one where woke up in the middle of night. The waking up is always kind of a red flag, but do people walk around? They don't. No, that's the big thing is you feel you can't move it all. We're like sleepwalkers. I knew someone growing up who I think their brother would have this habit. I'd be like, get out of this house. You would wake up and go to the front door and open it and talk to no one. Oh my god. That's terrifying. You don't want to sibling like that. No, my sibling Leo had what I imagined was sleep terror when we were growing up, which never really affected me unless we were on vacation together and had to sleep in the same room. And so there was one night I remember where I'm awake. It's not that late. And I'm watching TV and Leo had fallen asleep. And all of a sudden they just start clawing at nothing going, who are you? Who are you? And then I start freaking out. So I'm like, Leo, Leo, Leo sits up, looks at me. I still closed and goes, what? And then I just like, I don't think I smacked them, but I definitely started like shaking. I was like, my god, my god. Because like really, really scared. And my parents had really scary interactions with Leo when Leo was like asleep in the house walking around the house. So yeah, definitely sleepwalking is a whole other terrifying thing in general. You don't sleepwalk. Do you have you ever done it? I have never slept. I think, you know what? I think my parents did say once when I was younger, there was one night where I got up and like came down to the family room. And they were watching the movie Rudy. Oh, like Sean Aston, the football movie. Yeah. I said I watched like half the movie with them and then went back to sleep. Like fully asleep. And then the next day I had no memory of it. That to me is really scary though. That's pretty weird. But I was probably like six or seven. So I really, yeah, you know, you're like, would you have remembered the plot anyways enough to like, tell me who knows? Yeah, who knows. But other than that, I didn't use to have like night terrors. Oh, that's scary. And not where I'd sleepwalk, but I would just have like, scary dreams and would scream. And people would hear you screaming. Yeah. I did specifically like a dog biting my face, like chewing my face off. Oh, not what you want. No, you were like young, young when that would happen. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But ever since then, nothing. But mimics, it seems so far fetched. Yeah, I don't know. Because I do hear about it a lot. Yeah. A lot from people. And I've had dear friends who like, oh, so you've heard first hand. Yes. Okay. That's more interesting to me because I feel like anybody can write anything on the internet. Like recently we did, we went ghost hunting at the up on the, up the coast in Oregon. It's called the Heistahead lighthouse. Beautiful light. The most beautiful lighthouse I've ever seen. Oh my gosh. It's like on a crack of rocks overlooking the Pacific. Wow. Where is this? It's near Eugene. Amazing. Okay. Or yeah, it could be wrong about that. I forgot what the nearest town is. I'll put a graphic up. Oh, I think it's Florence, Oregon, which we got a hotel there. And then I learned that night that that is the town where they a whale washed ashore and they stuffed it full of dynamite and blew it up. Have you seen that video? No. Oh, it's amazing. Who did that? Like just a group of boys? It was a dead whale. It had washed ashore. And they were like, how are we going to get rid of this? It's huge. So they put like a bunch of dynamite in it. And there's this incredible news report of it. They recently uploaded it in like 4k. This news report from like the 80s. And they put so much dynamite in it. And they just, they really did not have to put that much in it. And they, they lit it. And they like ignited it. And it's the biggest explosion. Oh my god. And it just, it like basically vaporizes it. And then huge chunks of whale starting to rain down. And people are like, oh, they start like laughing at first. But then they realize like, oh, this is a dangerous situation. And like huge chunks of whale like landed on cars and destroyed them. Oh my god. But that's my little side story about that town. That's right. That morning when we woke up to go to the lighthouse, I was like, we got to stop by the whale beach because they have like a little commemorative sign there for the whale. Like a plaque for him. But that lighthouse when we were there going on people sort of seeing things like that. They told us they were like, well, we have this photo of a ghost at the, at the bed and breakfast that used to be the lighthouse keeper's quarters. And they showed us a photo that is fully just a woman in the window. I'm like, there's no way this is a couple. And they were like, no, there was no one there at the time. And I was like, we got to account for like, maybe just slight misunderstandings about who is where because this is a woman who is clearly modern, just wearing like a bit of an old-timey costume of some kind. Yeah, yeah. And if you see the photo, you're like, it's just a lady. There's on the paranormal subreddit, there's so many pictures that are like a 14 year old boy being like, what was behind me in this photo? And it's just another 14 year old boy. Yeah, like moving kind of fast. So it's like blurry. And they're like, well, I don't remember anyone being behind me. Yeah, but, you know, yeah, that's true. Crosswires, that makes sense. That happened to us two years ago, we stayed at the Sora weed house in Savannah. And there were these noises from upstairs that sounded like a dog. And Ryan, and we weren't allowed to go up there. But Ryan swore up and down. He was like, there's no one up there. And I was like, it's a dog. We can hear it. Yeah. And he was like, that's not a dog. And then we went back there a few years ago. And there's like a new staff there. And I was like, hey, settle this for me. For years, we've been arguing about this dog noise that we heard. And they were like, oh, yeah, there's a guy who lived up there with his dog. I was like, I will say, so this is Gordy. I got him at uncommon. He's good. Isn't he good? Yeah. He has really, I think he has good vibes. Some people are like, but I think he's a he's a good vibe guy. I got him at uncommon objects in Austin, which is like this really cool oddity shop there. They have amazing things. But when we got him, we were living in Austin at the time. And I kept him upstairs in our studio. And we just got our dog who was a puppy at the time. And the dog was like, not allowed upstairs at all because like puppies, Peo over the house, you have to like be washing the dog all the time. And there were two separate instances where my husband, Matt, like, basically came to me and was like, where's the dog? Like, I hear him running around upstairs. Like, did you let him go upstairs? Like, we have to get him and we'd run upstairs. And he's not there. He's like sleeping down on the couch. We just didn't see him. So we were like, oh my gosh, is there some sort of. He just tipped up around inside of Gordy. That's just like galloping around upstairs. Yeah. I still remember the second time it happened, too, because it sounded so much like the dog. And sometimes I do wonder like, oh, am I so afraid of the dog peeing upstairs on the carpet that I'm hearing? You're finally attuned to it. Cause I hear my baby cry all the time now when he's not crying. Like, you do have like those phantom. Yeah. Cause you're like scared that he's going to be crying. So yeah, I was like, I don't know. It couldn't be that. But it really, I don't know. It was spooky. And I would have sleep paralysis episodes with Gordy in the sleep paralysis. He's a friend. He is a friend. I mean, look at him. He's so cool. What was he doing? Was he? He's a fun guy. There was one where like I woke up. There was one room in the house. I was scared of because there's a really scary crawl space. It was like enough to fit a whole family. And I was always scared that there was going to be someone living inside of there when I opened it. Huge fear of mine. But there were nights where I would sleep in the guest bed if I had a cold or something or had to be up super early. And they would literally like lay in bed and just stare at the crawl space door like in horror until I fell asleep. What if you one night woke up in the crawl space? See, I have a fear about that too of like, oh, I slept walk. Like something possessed me. I slept walking. Now I woke up in the crawl space. I don't know what I would do. I really don't know what I would do. I don't know it would be worse. Like me waking up in one of those or me opening the door and seeing another person in one of those. Probably the other person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just living in the house. What are they doing there? I have good intentions. They never have good intentions. They have someone squatting in your house. No, they're always there to mess with you. And actually that kind of brings me to my next story. Oh, we got a ton of these. I love, I love these stories. I have, well, I actually have a couple. So I think you're going to like this one then. This one is just called, it's a bad time. I keep finding hairs in my house. And this is written by that one clone trooper. That one clone trooper. And it's from may of this year. So they write. I'm a man of my 20s that lives alone on the very top floor of an apartment block. I've had short hair for the last 10 years of my life. The longest hair on my head is maybe an inch long, if that. However, across my house, I keep finding long hairs on the floor, like long brunette hairs at least five to six inches, sometimes longer. And they would be everywhere, bathroom floor, in my shower, in my cupboard, in my kitchen, on old clothes, my living room floor, sofas everywhere. I've been single since November, and I clean often enough that I am certain it's not my ex-girlfriends' hairs, plus the color doesn't match anyways, she had solid black hair. These are more like a light brunette, plus finding them in places like my shower, where water is hitting all sides five times a week doesn't make any sense. Anyways, I waved it off as, well, I work with a lot of people, I use the gym and the bus, and sometimes naturally hairs are going to stick to my clothes. Well, one day, a month ago. I finished my early AM gym session, and I got the call that I didn't have to go into work that day. So naturally, I started walking home all happy that I have the day to myself. I'm on the 5th floor, the uppermost floor of the building, and the apartment is in such a way that there's only one apartment per floor. I start to hustle up the stairs, and I don't use the elevator since I'm sweaty from the gym anyways. Just as I whip a right to go up the last set of stairs, from the 4th floor to the 5th floor, I see my neighbor from the 3rd floor, her daughter coming down the stairs. We lock eyes, make eye contact. We've never spoken before, mostly because we've never had a reason to, but also out of respect I didn't want to make her uncomfortable because she's only like 19, I'm a little bit older than her. The most interaction we've had is that I've spoken to her mother and father before when we were bumping into each other on the stairs. I give her this confused hello, at this point, thinking that maybe she went to knock on my door to ask for something, a cup of sugar maybe I don't know. Classic. Classic neither. I was expecting her to reply with something like, oh hi, do you have any XYZ? No. She gives me this silent, hey, and brushes right past me. And only then, when the smell of my own shampoo hit me, did I realize that her hair was wet, like fresh out of the shower a minute ago wet. This episode is brought to you by Merit Beauty. You know, I love my five minute Merit Beauty morning routine, the great skin serum, the minimalist, flush ball mascara, and then I'm already ready for whatever the day throws at me. Well, I have some very exciting news for you. It is here Merit Beauty's biggest sale of the year. Save up to 25% site wide. And right now, my listeners are getting exclusive early access. On November 21st and 22nd, Merit is giving you the chance to shop before everyone else does with code heart checkout. Get a head start on Merit's biggest sale of the year and snack your favorite shades before they sell out. 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But don't the pieces fit together a bit too well. Her hair color matches the hairs that I would find around my apartment. And like I said before, they were everywhere. I mean, even in my sock drawers. And if this is the case with me having a stalker, how did she know I came home early enough to bolt out of the shower in time? Our apartment does not have cameras. It's an older building from before 2000. And why would she be stalking me? For how long has she been doing this? We've never dated, never had a proper conversation. I saw her maybe 20 times in the past two years given that I work and she, I guess, presumably studies or maybe works too. All of these thoughts are buzzing through my head and I'm standing there outside of my door for a solid two minutes grappling with what just happened. I go to turn the key to my door and it opens without me having to unlock it. I know for a fact that I always double lock my door. It's the type with a lock near waist level and a second more secure lock with a different key at around shoulder level. I drop my bag, I throw off my shoes, and I run to my shower. And yep, it's wet. Oh, I hadn't showered that day. I showered yesterday morning. Now I'm a confrontational person. Not that I go looking for fights, but I'll definitely pursue an answer if something is bugging me. So I go back down the stairs to the third floor and I go and I knock on the door of my apparent stalker and her family. And she opens the door with a chain still on. I see half of her face from behind the door. Yes, can I help? Were you at my door or inside? I don't want to make this a police thing now, but you came down the stairs and I know you were inside. And then she said to me, I just had to get something and won't happen again. Okay, bye. I see you and she closed the door. This happened last month. I've been cleaning my house every weekend closely now and I check the locks and I change the locks and I put a motion sensor camera above my door. It only triggers on the steps coming up to my door. So the fourth apartment still has their privacy. So far so good. I don't think she's been inside, but looking back, I think she had been living in or going in whatever to my apartment since January, because that's my earliest memory of finding her hairs. She never took anything of value like my laptop or the couple of watches I have. Seemingly, she just showered and ate some of my food and I guess laid in my bed. Okay. Well, one, I commend this poster for giving us the whole story. Yeah. A lot of times you'll get like 15 updates from these things. They do have some updates that I can read, but yeah, they they keep going. I would pursue the conversation a little bit more with the girl. Yeah. You would have talked to her more or maybe her parents. Yes. We like, Hey, just a heads up. This has been happening. I want to have a talk with you, because I would assume they would want to know that their daughter is just fully living and someone else is a partner. Do you think it's just getting away from the parents? Just like, oh, I can kill it. This guy's bad. This person, I mean, they do go on to give a couple of updates. So someone says, how does she get in and have her own keys? And the locks on our, they say that the locks on her door are the type that use a code on the lock barrel that only the manufacturer or partnered approved locksmiths have access to. She knew this because her parents got the locks changed when they first moved in. And in fact, they use the same locksmith from all the way back then. So the locksmiths presumably remembered the family and apartment, but just didn't pay attention to the fact that this was the fifth floor instead of their own third floor. So I guess they're guessing that the like the locksmith accidentally made the keys that she must have asked for them. Oh, I see. And then so someone asked, what was she doing in your apartment? And the poster says, anyone who said she just needed space, you were right. She has two younger step siblings and her mother is a tutor. So at any given point, there's always some kids around the house. She would tell her parents she was going out to study her work at a friend's house and she would use my apartment as a hotel while she studied or relaxed. I'm going to go out and live here. I think that's pretty cool. No, really. I think we're the other way around. You know, you don't want to like a creepy dude coming in. Oh, for sure. I guess I'm a long list of proofs to be there and your neighbors will work all at going to the gym and you need some space and you can break into your neighbors. No, I don't, of course I don't recommend you to that. Of course, of course, but I think it's pretty funny. When I first moved to LA, I lived in this like, there was probably like 30 apartments in our apartment complex. And above us, there were two guys that were like, my age were all early 20s working in Hollywood, whatever. And there was a family there. They had just had a baby. And one morning, they woke up to one of the guys sleeping on their couch because he had locked in, he'd come home really drunk, locked himself out of his apartment, just I guess started trying windows to see what was unlocked and got into their apartment. I felt like I had never spoken to them before, but was just fully sleeping on their couch. And they called 911 as your way. And he had to move out of our apartment, Alex. He was not allowed to live there anymore. Rightfully so because can you imagine? Yeah. Oh my gosh. That happened a while ago when we were living in a big apartment building. I had a pool and we had a bunch of our friends over. And it was like a summer weekend and everyone was kind of drinking and enjoying the pool. And one of my friends was like, Oh, I'm going to go kind of grab you. Can I go use your bathroom? And I was like, yeah, it's, you know, you remember the way. And he walked in to an apartment and used the bathroom. No. And then as he was walking out of the bathroom, he like looked in the bedroom and saw someone laying in bed with like looking at a phone or something. And he was like, Hey, because he thought it was like our apartment. He was like, who's here? And he was like, Hey, and like I said, can you please leave? And he said, Oh, my God, I'm so sorry. But it was just unlocked. And luckily, yeah, they didn't get super mad about it. That's so funny. You're like, can you please please? He fully went in and used the bathroom and peed. Oh my God. They didn't do anything else. Yeah. Seriously. Just just a quick pee. Oh my gosh. That's horrifying. No, I don't know what I, I don't know what I would do. No, that's pretty. But also lock your doors. Yes, for sure. Lock your doors. I keep my doors locks because maybe because I know that happened. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, yeah. It's really scary stuff. There was a time where I was in college. I was a really heavy sleeper. I used to be before having a baby, but really heavy sleeper, especially in college. And there was a night that I woke up and my roommates were awake talking to each other. There's been like two in the morning. And I was like, Are you guys okay? And they're like, did you just sleep through all of that? And I was like, what happened? And apparently someone again, very drunk thought that our apartment or our dorm was his dorm. He was just on the wrong floor. But he got really mad. And was like, this is my dorm. You're in my dorm. Like get out of my room. And was like, and I slept through the whole thing, which is crazy. But he was like pushing past them to try to get into our room. And they're screaming. I'm like, get out. Like we're going to come to his police. And they got him out luckily. But yeah, it's just someone was trying to get into our dorm room while we were all sleeping. I just left one time I slept through. There apparently was like, I mean, it's really dark, but there was like a murder suicide in the building next to us. Oh my God. And I slept through the helicopter, circling our apartment, shining lights into our windows on the bowl horn being like, stay in your apartment. Well, that's classic LA. I know. That's just like background noise. Right. You just tune it out. I had a, the, this is a, I don't think the story's super long, but it's a good example of like a weird thing happening and then getting confirmation on it. Yeah. This was a few weeks ago. I was working from home and across the street, every time people like idle on the street. And it's one of those things where like the sound of a car engine kind of annoys me if it's there for a long time, especially when it stops and you're like, oh, it's suddenly quiet. And I've been living with this idling noise for so long. Yeah. So there was this car across the street that was idling and sometimes people do that for like an hour or so if they might be on a phone call or something. But this like, I was working all day and it like started at 9 a.m. And the car was there till like noon. And I was like, what are these people doing? And I, they had like a tinted window. So I was like, what is going on over there? Are they ever going to leave? And eventually they left. And I was like, great. And then I was like on a meeting or something. And then I looked back over and there was another car idling. I noticed like a half hour later. I was like, what is going on? Why is everyone idling on the street today? And I like to look at birds. So I have a monocular. So I took out my, my little monocular and I looked out the window like a pirate, like a pirate. I looked insane. I looked like Jimmy Stewart and rear window. So I was like, what's going on over there? And I could kind of see someone like talking on the phone or whatever. And then I had to go like pick something up in the neighborhood. So I was like, well, since the windows tinted, I'm going to walk around the front of the car just to see I'm doing my own investigation here. And I walked around the front and I saw a guy just sit in there and I was like, okay, it's just a guy sitting there. So it was a second car that just happened to be idling with tinted windows. Then around like three or four p.m. They left. And another car. And I was telling my wife about this. And she was like, are you sure they're idling? And I was like, yes. And furthermore, I think it's the same guy in all the cars and different cars coming back. And she was like, why would that be? Why would it be the same guy? And I was like, I don't know. And she was like, are you sure? Do you think it's the same guy? And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure. I've been looking at them with my monocular. And she was like, but the windows are tinted. And I was like, yeah, but the shape is pretty similar. And then so around like seven p.m. Since like 9 a.m. It's 7 p.m. now. And we're going to a movie. And I was like, there's still a person out there. Still idling. I swear. Yeah. But we went to a movie. We went to see Digger, of course, of course, as all movie heads as you have to as you have to. And we got back at like 10 or 11. And I was like, if there's someone idling out there, I'm going to go insane. And I got up and I looked out the window. I opened the window and there was a car idling. And that is X and Fatt, a fourth different car. And it looked like the same person. I couldn't really tell because but now it was dark. But I was like, I was like as well. Maybe there maybe maybe there's like, because the idling noise, it's like maybe someone just has like an AC unit on somewhere and the way it's bouncing off the because it's across the street. But I was like, I'm pretty sure unless I'm just hearing some other noise and I'm attributing it to that car. So it's like 11 p.m. And I was like, I'm going to go outside and walk past that car to see if it's on. And I walked outside and I walked past the car and it was off. And I was like, I think they turned it off. And Sarah at this point was like, I think you just got to give it up. I don't think I don't think the same person has been four different cars. And literally like the last like I sounded like Ben Wap long before we were going to sleep, I was like, it makes no damn sense. It's compels me. Like I was like literally voicing allowed as I was falling asleep. I was like, why would the same guy be in four different cars? And I was just drifting off to sleep. And then at 5.30 in the morning, we awoke to sirens and the FBI yelling on a bullhorn at the house across the street that they were about to enter the house. And I bolted out of bed. And I was like, I'm a genius. I was like, I got to drop on the FBI. They were sitting there all day long watching this house. And I was my window going, what are those guys up to? I knew it. I was like, this is the most like validating thing that has ever happened in my in my entire life. Oh my God. I was like, there's something funny going on across the street. And to just have that to wait to be woken up by the world being like, you were right. Yeah. By the validation of the bullhorn. What did you find out what was going on in the house? I looked up stories to find out. See if there were like any news stories. What's it? They arrested some people. I don't know what was going on. I don't know. Maybe like a white collar crime of some kind. Yeah. But there were like FBI agents all over the street. It was wild. That's what that is really wild. But like good for you for paying attention because like I don't pay attention like that all the time. And so to know that like, it's the same guy in different cars. Yeah. I mentioned it to so many people and I felt so satisfied. Okay. So I have some rapid fire ones that are again on the like line of her normal or not. Someone wrote, okay. What just happened to me? I woke up at 5.37am, showered, cooked rice, and then looked at the clock. And it was 3.07am. And they go into detail. So they go, something super weird just happened to me and I'm very confused. I woke up thinking that I was late this morning. I looked at my phone and it said 5.37am. The sky outside was already bright. I rushed to get out of bed. I started cooking rice and I went to take a shower right after I finished showering. I noticed that everything was now dark. I thought it was just getting cloudy out. But when I checked my phone again, it was 3.07am and it was still pitch black outside. What is this phenomenon called? Did I dream the whole thing or did my brain just completely make up the morning routine? Has anyone else experienced anything like this? That legitimate dream? Yeah, that's got to be a dream, right? I don't know because they got up and they started getting ready. I guess if the right they have evidence. Yeah. Oh, the rice I made is here. Yeah. Yeah. They made rice a showered because they woke up and stayed awake. So that makes me think it wasn't like a dream or sleep paralysis kind of thing. They jumped back in time. That's one of the things where someone tells me that story. I'm like, well, I believe that you experienced this. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was like your dear friend saying like this crazy thing just happened to me. Yeah. What do you think it is? You'd be like, you'd probably believe them that they have that experience. I guess as a supportive friend, you would have to. But I do like maybe go to the doctor. Yeah. Also, look at that head check. Do you hit your head? What do you think is going on? No, that is so true. I'm skips are crazy, like the notion of that. I know there's a lot of stories like that online. Yeah. Experience like glitches. So many weird times. So many. Yeah. And I guess sometimes it could be like, oh, you're in a flow state. You don't realize that hours have passed. You thought it was just 20 minutes. But there's a lot of those. And I actually got one from back in the really early days of doing this podcast. I got one from a woman who was like, when I was 16, I was at this park in New York. And my boyfriend and I just went on a loop, a little path. And when we got back, his family was like, where have you guys been? You've been gone for hours. We've been screaming for you. We were gonna call the police. Like we were calling you, texting you whatever. I guess it was the '90s, so there wasn't. Like they didn't have cell phones. But they're like, where were you? And she was like, we truly were gone for 20 minutes. And it had been hours that they were gone. Turns out this is Thompson Park in New York. It's upstate New York. They call it like the Area 51 of New York because so many people have these weird experiences in the park. And it turns out it kind of, the story takes this really weird turn. But there was like a local woman named Gail who was a witch in like the '70s. And she, according to her, she's the reason the park is Area 51. She's the Blair Witch of Thompson Park. The park, she opened a, what does she call it? Not a portal, but she opened some sort of like, like broke open the time space continuum in the park. She, she slipped the veil. She slipped the veil. And what she says is now people can kind of jump in and out of the veil. And when they jump into the veil, they think they're in the same exact spot of the park for like 10 minutes, but when they come back hours of, and what was really wild about that is like, I messaged the woman and told her about Gail 'cause I had to hunt down an interview with Gail. You can't find any of her interviews like anywhere online, really? - Is she still around? - No, she passed away. She was, sadly she passed away, but she's like in her 90s. And the woman who had the experience had no idea about any of that. She just knew that she had this weird thing happen in the park. So she didn't know the whole Gail backstory. And I was able to piece that together for her and then it just kind of like scared everyone even more. So that was really freaky. - So wait, did you find interviews with Gail at all? - So this one podcast, I think they were called the CryptoNot podcast. They didn't interview with her. And I reached out to them because I caught wins that they didn't interview with her. And I asked if I could hear it, but they said I couldn't post it anywhere. So, but they sent me that Mee3. So it really doesn't exist. They said they were gonna post it. I don't think they ever did. So I kind of was able to summarize it for her, but I couldn't play excerpts from Gail's actual interview. - That's the thing that I always have to clarify to people is like, I want that to be real. - Yeah. - And I want to see a ghost. - Yeah. - I would love that. 'Cause I think that's, I want there to be this sort of new level of understanding and like a thing to existence that we haven't grappled with before. - Yeah. - I would love it. - Yeah. I want that for you too. I think I'd be really cool. Yeah, I really hope you do cease. I think you will. I don't know. I feel like at some point you have to. If you keep going these places. - You would think, but it's been a decade, Kayla. - Yeah. We've been on it for too much longer than anyone. - No, no, no. - You've got more places. Do you ever think about how Zach Bagans has experiences at every single place he goes and you have it? - I do think about that. Quite a bit. - I don't know what it is. - Yeah, I don't know what it is. It seems like maybe if you want to make compelling ghost or something content, sometimes you get, 'cause I'll tell you what, every now and then we have episodes where we're like, well, nothing going on here, sorry folks. - Do you ever scrap anything because of that? Or two? - No, honestly, and I think that helps our sort of legitimacy. - I think so too. - Yeah, 'cause we're like, sometimes it doesn't happen. And I see a lot of people who will go to the like the like, I really don't watch a lot of ghost hunting content, which I think is apparent. - Yeah. - But, you know, the ones that I have seen, like they'll go and they'll be like, oh, just like if nothing's happening, they'll be like, no, it feels weird. - Yeah, it's cold all of a sudden. - A chill. - Yeah. - And it's easy to do that. And to my co-host, Ryan Bergaris, credit, he doesn't do that. And when he doesn't, it's very far in few between, you know, he'll like, he's done it, he's done that like three times over the course of a decade where he'll be like, I got a weird feeling. And that it's so sporadic, makes me think like he's being genuine when he does it. - Yeah, you both feel very genuine when you do it, which is also probably why people like it so much. - I would hope so. - 'Cause it doesn't feel like you're being tricked by the people who are doing this ghost hunt. - Yeah. - Which is, really. - And sometimes the episodes are very boring and we apologize, but thank you for watching. - Sorry, nothing happened, thank you for watching. Okay, and the last one I have, this is called 911 Mysteries Call. So, this person writes, does anyone have an explanation? At 1am, the police knocked on my door. They told me a 911 call had been traced directly to my phone and that they used the pain to track my address. 911 called my phone back twice, but of course, I was sleeping, I didn't hear the call. My phone wasn't even near me, it was sitting on its charger in another room the entire time. When I called my mobile carrier this morning to figure out what had happened, they confirmed there was no record of any outgoing call to 911 on my account. No one can offer me an explanation. So they're saying, I guess that a ghost called the police. - I mean, I don't know what to make of that one. I guess it could be like a tech glitch, but. - That's also true. - That's not the most fun. - Well, the first, the top comment, someone writes, "I used to have a boyfriend that lived in the next town over and every single time I visited him, I get a call from 911 saying that they just received a hang up call from my number. It never, it only ever happened at his house. There was no one there but us and I never called 911. Sometimes I would receive the call before I even got out of my car and his driveway. Issues stopped when we broke up. Never got an explanation. - That is very strange. - That's really weird. If it's every time you go to one place, 911 calls you back and is like, did you just call us? - That makes me think it's the boyfriend in that situation, but. - But sometimes it happened before I even got out of my car and is like. - Oh, yeah. - That is spooky, 'cause that's, yeah. I mean, they take that stuff so seriously too. If you ever accidentally call 911. - I don't think, I'm trying to think if I ever have. - Not in LA, 'cause you call 911 in LA and you're like, "I'm told, my friend's car got stolen downtown." And so we were like, okay, great. Well, call the non-emergency line. We were on hold for 90 minutes. - Yeah. - She gets into finally the officer. - It's not an emergency. - It's an emergency. - You're good. I mean, we just went and got a drink. So we were like, okay, whatever we'll stay on hold. And finally when an officer picked up, he was like, oh, do you have the information about the car? And she gave him the information. He goes, my system says it's not your car. So by, hangs up on her. And that was just like glitching their system. Like it just didn't work. - Yeah. - So yeah, she got hung up on after 90 minutes being on hold. - Oh my God. - So clearly this is not LA. We're, 911 was like, hey, did you call us? - Yeah. - Like we want to help. - Right. - Yeah. We're here for you. - Yeah, I'm trying to think if I've ever accidentally, I don't think I have every now and then, like on iPhones, like you'll hit the thing where it's like calling emergency sir. Like, I don't know what buttons you press. Like you accidentally like hold it in a certain way. It'll be like, sure, I'll call the emergency. - Yeah. - I'm gonna arrest me and kill me. - Or like I feel like so many people have alarm systems now that just like trip and call authorities like right away. Like I had that once where it was like, my parents just got this alarm system for our house. We lived in the safest suburbs ever. I don't know why they did that. But so it was, we just set it off all the time. But one time I was home by myself and I set it off and I scared myself so bad that I ran out of the house down the street and just kinda stood at the end of my street. I was like, there's a serial killer in my basement. Like, I'm sure that's where it tripped the alarm. And no, I just opened the door and tripped it myself. - Oh. - Didn't realize it. So I go back home, I like finally kind of calm down. I, again, I'm like in the sixth grade at this point. So I didn't have a cell phone, but I like turned the alarm off. I'm like, okay, I think I'm okay. And then like knock on the door. - Oh, it was the police. - Hello. And he's like, so I hurt, so like something tripped the alarm in here and like you didn't answer when they called you. So they called me to come check it out. - The trick though. Like what's going on? And I hold, I'm fake cops are like one of my biggest fears. - Of course. - I'm scared that like a fake officer is always going to come to my door. So I was like, oh, no, I think I said it off by myself. Sorry. And he's like, okay, have a good day. And then close the door. I go back inside, all of a sudden, knock again. Like what is going on? I open the door. It's like, hop again. And he goes, you didn't happen to be drinking alcohol in here, were you? - Oh, come on. - And I was like, I mean, sixth grade. - I was like, I'm a sixth grader. - I'm 11. - No. - And he was like, well, why is there a shotgun beer in your driveway? And he like opens the door more. And there's a shotgun beer in my driveway. And I was like, oh, I don't know. So then I start freaking out that like. - Maybe someone was. - I see how killer was like in like shotgun to beer and then came into my house to kill me or something. Like it was getting himself all revved up in my driveway to come in and kill me. So then I'm like really freaking out. No, it turns out my dad, because he explained this when he got home. My dad had this like six pack of beer that had a coupon on the side. So he was trying to cut the coupon out of the box and he stowed one of the beers so he had to like run out into the driveway and throw it into the driveway. And then he just like left. So it just looked like I had shotgun to beer in my driveway, I guess, to this cop. But he was really mad at me. And I was only 11 years old. - You were fully home alone at that point? - Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause even my younger sibling wasn't there. - Have you ever seen the beginning of, I think it's the second when a stranger calls, when a stranger calls back? - No, not the second, I don't think I've seen the second one. - I haven't seen the whole second one, but a lot of people agree that the opening of the second one is scarier. It's like truly one of the scariest scenes. - It's like the same thing of-- - Kind of, but they're like at the front door. It's really freaky. - That so scares me so much. Even when I'm now to this day if I'm home alone, I still get like, hmm, is there someone else I'm just watching me? I don't know. Well, that's all I have for you today. - We've run the gamut. - Actually, I do have a present for you. - Oh, real? - What are you got? - I have this for you. - Oh my God. - So it says RDS because we call our community, the Rogue Detecting Society. And inside you'll find our little jinx plush that we have. I'm really proud of them. I actually love the duster bag too. I thought they did a really good run. - It was really nice. - Oh my God. - So we have these little ghosts. So now you can always say, you have a ghost in your wall. look at him or her. It's or them. It's a kind of like a it. Yeah. Oh, look at that. Thank you. Yeah, of course. Now I can take it on our ghost hunts. Yes. It's like a one. We don't find anything. I can throw it at Ryan Bergart. Yeah. Like a little dog truth. You got ghost in. You didn't whip it at him. No, thank you so much for coming. Um, truly, truly, this was such a pleasure to do. I think I've convinced we can all agree that I've convinced you ghosts are real. Yes. Yeah, you've heard your first first person to give it to you with Reddit stories. But yeah, where can everyone find you guys? We are posting monthly ghost hunts on ghost files and mystery files over on watcher on YouTube. We've got some fun ones coming up up the coast of the Pacific coast. No fun. We go into the the Shanghai tunnels in Portland. What are those? They used to like you would go to drink at a bar in Portland and like a trapdoor would open and they recruit you into the Navy basically. Oh, wow. Oh, that's not what I was expecting. So there's all these underground tunnels under Portland that are very cool. Oh, cool. Then we went up to Seattle. So we just have a bunch coming up there and then, you know, we're all over town ghost hunting. Amazing. Yeah, very fun. And I've got a new podcast with my dear friend Matt Rial, called Quizzards Pit. Quizzards. Which is a very high concept podcast where we get sucked into a space pit by a wizard who demands that we feed him interesting facts about a given top. Oh, I love that. It's very fun. If you're ever down, we'd love to have you in the pit. I would love to. That actually sounds amazing. Yeah, super fun. But thank you for having this. Great. Yes. Okay. Well, we will see you guys next time. Bye, everyone. Hearts Stars pounding is written and produced by me, Kila Moore, our socio-producers Juno Hobbs. Hearts Stars pounding is also produced by Matt Brown, designed and mixed by Red Room Creative. Video editing by Creative Step. Special thanks to Travis Dunlap, Grayson Driningin, the team at WME. Have a heart pounding story or a case request, check out HeartsHarsPounding.com. 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