2 Teen Girls Planned to Slit Classmate’s Throat and Drink His Blood to Resurrect a Mass Killer

This is the audio podcast part 2 for the Isabel Valdez and Lois Lippert case, where a 15-year-old girl Isabel Valdez and 14-year-old Lois Lippert were planning on killing a 15-year-old boy in their school in one of the school bathrooms. After second period, we've been calling him John, though his identity has been concealed by the police. They wanted to kill him in the bathroom so that they could resurrect Adam Lanza, who happens to be the Sandy Hook shooter who cowardly, self-exited after killing 26 people, 27 if you include his own mom that day. So they decide that they're going to drag this little innocent kid. This is not a 15-year-old boy, it's not someone that they've had altercations with, it's not someone that they've been fighting with, which would not even be any sort of justification or reasoning, but it is completely based off the fact that Isabel Valdez, who is obsessed with Adam Lanza, believes that Adam Lanza is her soulmate, thinks that this boy looks like Adam Lanza. That's really the only reason. They plot this whole murder, they go and tell their friends Thursday night, by Friday morning, one of those friends has done the very courageous act of submitting an anonymous tip to Fortify Florida, which then alerts the school administration as well as the police of what's going to happen in the school bathroom that day. The police show up, they arrest Isabel Valdez, who very quickly just confesses to everything, the fact that she heard Adam Lanza's voice in her head that she wants to be reunited with him, she wants to resurrect him from the dead, he is her soulmate and Lois Lippert, they both get arrested and the police do the very smart thing of placing them both in the back of a police car, the same police car. I personally think that they drove, they took the scenic route to get to the police station because for the next 30 minutes in the back of this police car, the two girls, they say things that can never be unsaid, they squeezed the toothpaste out the tube, the defense attorneys will never be able to put it back in. It's damning, it's bad, and this is part two. Inside Isabel Valdez's backpack, along with the knife, the rag, the trash bags, the gloves, the chlorox wipes, there's a little note left behind, and it reads, "Dear Mama and Papa, I'm sorry for what I'm going to do, hopefully you will find this paper, I want you guys to know that none of it is your fault, or anyone else's in that, you know, in that matter, I chose to do this myself, for myself and Adam Lanza. They told me that Adam would come back to speak with me if I did this for him. Adam Lanza wanted it, I think it's a fair and beautiful sense of devotion on my behalf. I love Adam Lanza, we're so mates, just waiting to be reunited once more, I want you guys to know that you were the most perfect parents ever, I'm sorry I could not be a better child. I've known there's been something wrong with me since I was a little kid, I just never showed it, and I'm sorry, I was never really shy, I just hated people, and I was aware of how disgusting everyone is, being forced to talk was torture. These ramblings are very reminiscent of Adam Lanza, so I'm not entirely sure if this is genuinely how she felt, or if this is how she fell into this like TCC community and tried to embody this aesthetic of outcast, I never liked humanity, mankind is doomed, and society has all these values that don't mean anything, and we're just imposing values upon others, and morality is not even objective, morality just doesn't exist as a concept, I don't know if she just like listened to the fucking five and a half hour ramblings of Adam Lanza that are incoherent most of the time and don't make good sense, but I don't know if this is how she truly felt, or if this is furthering the aesthetic that she wants to be a part of. She says I pretended to be a socialite, just not the word to be used in that context, but to make you guys happy, because I love seeing you guys happy, it was one of the only things that made me happy. Over the years I've just lost control over myself and my emotions, whenever I told someone I hated you guys it was a pure lie, I'm sorry for ever hurting you and I deserve what's coming for me, as I am also disgusting cruel and useless, and these are very reminiscent of the Columbine killers and Adam Lanza, well actually maybe the Columbine killers they believe themselves to be above humankind, but in perhaps inner time to get Isabelle to have some remorse, the assistant principal before she's arrested initially asked her, did you consider how your parents or even, how John's parents would feel if you went through with this? They would be sad, but I don't really care, did you consider the consequences like of what happens to you if you go through with this? Jail or psych ward, but it doesn't matter, I was still gonna do it, I wanna be with Adam Lanza. She later admits that last night before school she did cry in the shower, but it was quote, because she wasn't crying because of herself or her actions, but because of how it's gonna affect others, you know? But also at the same time, she was thinking, whatever, what's done is done. That's what she says. Isabelle states that she only feels bad for her parents because they've been great and they tried their best. So back in the back of the police car, Isabelle and Lois are ranting about how the police were grilling them. That had had Lois Lippert, the 14 year old, right? She's more so the accomplice. So after police came before they were taking it into the police car, they already went through a round of questioning in the school. Oh yeah, and then as they're walking out both handcuffed together, they're like, hey, best friend. From school to the police car? Yeah. Yeah. I think the only time they look a little serious is when Isabelle does is being read her charges, which is attempted murder. When was that? In the school hallway, and she looks a little serious. But not really. She just looks like a little something. There's a whole tape from the school all the way to the police car. There's like six, seven minutes from inside the school. There's a few minutes going to the police car, and then there's about 40, but 10 minutes of those are after the, so like 36 minutes of them in the, because we did a FOIA request. There's about 36 minutes of them in the car talking, yapping. And they really don't like to sit in silence. So it's like a solid 30 minutes of yapping. And if you're watching the video podcast on YouTube, I'm actually going to dump the entire body cam footage clip at the end of the episode, because I've kind of broken it up into parts. But if you want to see the whole thing in chronological order, it's going to be at the very end. So Isabelle and Lois Lippert are sitting in the back. And Lois, red hair, 14 year old girl, the accomplice is saying, I told them the important stuff. And then they came back and they were like, I'm getting really pissed off. You're not telling me everything. And I was like, I swear that's all I remember. So I just had to sit there for a few minutes, just trying to remember every fucking thing in every fucking little detail. And I was like, oh, so there are these images of Adam Lanza. Isabelle Katsen, dude, I forgot what to say halfway through my interview. Yeah, that was me for most of my interview. Well, actually half the interview was just me being silent and not doing anything because I was hoping I could cling onto the, um, the like, you have the right to remain silent, but low key that didn't work, that didn't really work, Isabelle's like, I know because it's like they're just going to use it against me in court. Like, hey, why do you have these drives with these little boy, like hard drives of pictures of this little boy? And then she goes, hey, why do you have these drives of these little boy? So we. What? Yeah. Lois is like, he's not a little boy, he's older than you. No, he's not. Well, yeah. Yeah, he's older than you, it's not some little boy. They can't say this little boy, this older boy. He's older boy, who's abusing me. So now they're giggling and coming up with this idea of trying to say that the victim was abusing them, which he in no world was. And Isabelle finds it funny. She's like, yeah, I think in my dreams he told me he wanted me to kill him, so I think it's only fair. Yeah. Oh my God. I almost laughed and almost peed myself. This becomes a recurring theme where Lois keeps saying that she almost peed herself. So she's like, I almost laughed so hard, I almost peed myself. She's not really laughing in these moments, and I will say, if you watch the clip in its entirety that I'm putting at this end of the video, you just see Lois get filled with more and more regret, like both of them. The energy gets more tense. They're still joking around and laughing, but I think it's dawning on them very slowly. What's happening? Very slowly. Yeah. Very slowly. Very, very slowly. Yeah. Because it should have dawned on them before they even got into the car. So you said there are two cops in the front. Yes. They can clearly hear it. Yeah. Because they later talked to them. They interjected in one of their conversations. Yeah. We're going to get there. Yeah. The cops are clearly hearing this. I personally think that the cops strategically put them in the back of the police car together so that they could have this conversation because, of course, they're-- Yeah. The more the better. Yeah. And then, I think they took a longer route because I don't think that it would take 36 minutes for them to get from the school to the local police department. Wow. Yeah. That's true. I think they just didn't know there was a camera recording in the car. Yeah. I don't think so. And that's why a lot of-- this is where it gets really weird. So there are lots of people in the TCC community. And again, this is not me saying, like, oh, I'm part of the TCC community. So I know what they're saying. This is me saying, like, I was diving into the TCC community to see what it's about. And people were saying, oh, they're not real TCCers because they don't know that there's cameras in the back of the police car. But also, real TCCers, from what I can tell, they still like to post edits of Adam Lasagna with eccentric, Europunk music in the background with rainbow edits because It's so quirky. And their whole thing is like, why does me posting rainbow edits of school shooters? Does that make me dangerous? Yeah, Becky, it fucking makes you dangerous. I don't know what else to say. Now, Lois says with a bit of regret in her voice. Dude, I should have gotten my diagnosis before this. I've been talking, I've been talking about that being like, yeah, I should go to a psychiatrist or something and actually fucking get diagnosed and shit. I should have gotten it before all this should happen. And then I would have some sort of thing to clean it up. Isabel is like, dude, I thought I was gonna get sent to the psych ward. That's why I was so excited about everything. Isabel explains to Lois that she just regrets telling the officers everything. I shouldn't have told them all this shit. So I was there and then they were like asking me about the swatting incident. So yeah, she was trying to get people swatted. We're gonna get there in a second. And what happened, and I started crying because I thought they were gonna feel bad for me and send me to the psych ward. Because I was like, you know, I thought about hurting somebody. Yeah, I thought about hurting the boy. And then they saw right through my shit. And then they pulled out the bag from my backpack. I had to tell them everything that was inside. Later she mentions, dude, I should have told them that. I was gonna tell them yesterday. I was gonna say, oh yeah, I'm doing all this stuff because I want to be a police officer. And then she pretends to be the fake imaginary police officer she's saying this too. And she's like, no, sorry. She's like, I should have told them that I went to be a police officer. Nope, I'm sorry. Okay, like this is how they talk. That's the tone in which they talk. Now there's a lot to complain about in the back of this police car as well. Lois ran about how cold it was in the room when they were talking to her. It was so cold in that room. I know, dude, they had me sitting there and I was so, dude, they took away my chocolate. Isabel, 'cause remember, Isabel is the one that primarily wants to kill John. Isabel had asked Lois, the little artist, to bring chocolate and Dr. Pepper. Okay, Lois brings it, gives it to her. And now Isabel is like, the chocolate you gave me, they took away my chocolate and Lois goes, no! I was able to eat a part of it. It was like a part of the big bar, but then that was it. Lois is so upset and she's like, bro, I wanted to come back to second period so I could have nibbled on some of it with you. That was my main goal. (gentle music) Some netizens have found it ironic that the two are friends because Isabel Val does is kind of a bigger girl, I guess is how you would describe her. And then Lois Lippert, she had a Twitter account that heavily promotes is pro-Anna, pro-ED, engages in quote, quote unquote, fat-spot. Fat-spot is basically described as quote, fat-spot is when people with EDs use a picture of a person bigger than themselves as inspiration to continue with their eating disorder or not becoming fat like the person in the picture. So some netizens found it ironic and they made it a big joke of whether or not Lois Lippert used her own friend Isabel Val does as fat-spot. Essentially, everything about this case like makes you want to spiral into a depressive state. Just every little rabbit hole leads somewhere worse. But on Lois Lippert's Twitter account, she would post a lot of pro-Anna things as well as she would document throwing up in the toilet and then she would stick her hand in the toilet bowl and play with her throw up like it was slime and post videos of it. There's also an unverified Tumblr account and I cannot tell you if this is real. Okay, but apparently this is Isabel's unverified Tumblr account where she posts, I love being fat. Everyone is significantly smaller than me and I love small people. I love small boys, I love the thought of beating them up and breaking their bones and then just watching their body's bruise. I want to touch them all over, I want to see them resist. Probably the first time I felt these, dare I say erotic pleasures was in or around fifth or sixth grade. I remember in sixth grade I would go up to people and hug them tightly. I loved feeling them push me away and struggle. I loved the way they yelled at me after. We can't be certain that this is Isabel's account, but it's in tune with the picture of her holding up John. Almost like she's about to slam him up against the wall. I don't think that there's any debate that both of these girls are struggling with various mental health issues, but I do think a lot of young girls at that age are. They don't go and try to resurrect a school shooter. These girls even giggle, gaggle about what it must have been like for John. Lois is giggling, imagine being pulled at a class and yes, some girl was planning on killing you. He's probably gonna be like, like he's got to be told, like they can't. And Isabel is like, yeah, I wrote him a note and I was like, I don't feel guilty for my actions but I feel guilty on how you were going to feel because honestly, I don't fucking care. - Wait, she gave him a letter? - She wrote him a note, but I don't think it was, I mean, it was never given to him. Isabel giggles and says, so are we gonna become one of those lesbian couples now in jail? Lois looks at her. Yeah, and you could be the butch and they're giggling. And Isabel is like, yeah, hey, hey, this is my bitch. Stay away. - Yeah. - Thank you for doing that much in 30 minutes. - Yeah, and then there's-- - You're gonna catch a break and-- - No. - Think about what's about to happen. - No, and then there's silence, you know, which the lesbian couple loved is not last very long because when talking with the officers, Isabel already ratted Lois out. She, okay, the police officer is even writing in his report because usually when you have teenagers and their best friends and they're trying to commit a crime, I would say that there's maybe, I wanna say like, three hours in which they might resist writing each other out, but the police officer writes, Isabel abruptly stated that Lois helped her sharpen the knife. Isabel is explaining to the officers and the assistant principal that they were in the bathroom trying to sharpen the knife. And according to Isabel, they ran the knife back and forth along the metal pipe in the bathroom and then they were trying to use the knife to cut Isabel's shirt to determine if it was sharp enough to do the crime. Lois then attempted to cut her stomach in an effort to see if the knife could cut her skin. Isabel stated that Lois told her that she didn't think that the knife was gonna be able to cut through because it couldn't cut her stomach. But it's not like Isabel really needs to quote unquote rat out Lois when there's already quite a bit of digital evidence against both of them. Isabel's plan was to either slit John's throat or stab him in the stomach. There was no getaway plan. Then she was gonna smoke a cigarette in the bathroom before going to jail and sprinkle flowers on his body or to his funeral, it's kind of unclear which one. But Isabel the night before had been messaging Lois over discord saying things like, it's going to be over by tomorrow. If you have some gloves, bring them for me. Bring latex ones. I'm bringing a trash bag, wipes and some other things. I'm gonna go away anyway. I've incriminating shit on my phone. Holy shit. I'm gonna make a blood ritual for Adam Lanza, LMAO. Everyone who paid on my downfall is getting their wish. I held my parents extra tight today. I feel kind of out for what's coming. He was at fault because he never got redacted to talk to me. If I had him, I would have not been like this. Why? Why, John? Why? Why redacted? Why? I need to break my hard drive later. Do you have any extra white shirts that I could use? And the two of them are also Isabel and Lois are reportedly married on Facebook. Yeah, 'cause you can just like marry someone. But that's not the important part. The important part is their anniversary date is April 22, 1992, which is an oddly specific date. So I try to figure it out. And it's not the date of Sandy Hook or Columbine. It's actually Adam Lanza's birthday. But in the back of the police car, Isabel is again, ranting about how the police are treating her. Like she's this dangerous criminal. And she says, dude, they had me going to the bathroom and I had this lady standing in the stalls and they had like two other people in the stall. Yeah, I mean, one of them was standing in the stall. The other two were outside waiting. You think I'm gonna be able to fucking run away? So Isabel is making a joke at, I guess, her physique. I got too scared to ask them to go to the bathroom. I look, he still have to go. So by the way, Lois Lippert kind of talks like this the entire time. And Isabel turns to her. I only went twice because they searched me every time and they made me take off my shoes and my socks off. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't ask them. I don't wanna do all that. You get a bend over and cough for me? Bend over and cough for you. Isabel, they do it. Yeah, they look at your asshole and see if anything comes out. Isabel complains at how uncomfortable it is to be in the back of the police car in states. Dude, I should have done it in the morning. So now she's saying in the back of this recorded police car that she should have killed him in the morning and not waited till after a second period because if she had done it in the morning, she would have been able to kill him. And Lois is like, yeah, dude, he was right there. I was following behind him. What is happening? Yeah. Isabel also talks about how when they were interviewing her, she kept laughing even though it's not funny. But, quote, they kept on saying six, seven. Oh, I laughed at six, seven, dude, because they were talking about my grades and stuff when it first started. And they were like, yeah, was the sixth or seventh grade? I did the six, seven behind my back. So she's handcuffed and she said she's doing six, seven. This is, like, I don't even know what is happening. Yeah. Lois finds this so funny and she says, stop making me laugh. Lois explains later that she did mention to one of her friends that Isabel might try to do something on Friday, which is vague. And she reassures Isabel, she's probably thinking that you're gonna self exit. Oh, that's stupid. I'm not self exiting. Then in a voice that would indicate maybe it's from a meme or something, but she says killing yourself is for our words. She says the hard word. I'm not a stupid hard word that gives up. Please, I am hard worded though, fuck. Lois tries to comfort her. Not a stupid hard word though. Aw, thanks. One of the most damning pieces of evidence against Isabel is a journal entry that's written in the style of a bad movie plot where the killer fesses up to the murder hides the note for it to be found by the main character at the end in the bottom of the underwear drawer. And it reads, it was just like any other normal day. I swear nothing seemed off until I remembered him. Oh, John, how much I loved you. Today. was finally the day. You're so worth it. Fuck. We were leaving second period. I grabbed him. I don't know what happened, but I just started talking. Oh, you're so beautiful. The cutest boy around. I loved him dearly. I would ruin my life for him, and that is very much what I was doing. I was able to get my hands on some chloroform, which is not true. It knocked him out cold. It was absolutely perfect. I was already in the bathroom with him. He hadn't woken up yet, so I was just waiting. He was so small, so precious. I'd been waiting for this for a long time. Slowly, he woke up. I saw those beautiful eyes. I'm much adored. Finally, up close. He was absolutely perfection. High-speed heart. I said without thinking. He looked extremely disturbed. I don't blame him. Who wouldn't? LOL. He didn't speak. Just looked in terror. I pulled the knife out of my bag and held it to his throat. I saw the fear. I saw his breath hitch. It gave me more adrenaline, and she spells adrenaline A-D-R-E-N-A-L-Y-N. I pulled my phone out and started recording him. Can you smell for the camera? I held the knife closer to his throat. I watched as he forced himself to smell just for me. And that is where she ends this weird bazaar note. It's presented as if she wrote it after the fact in this dramatized narrative form. Right. And the cup found it. Yeah. It's like fanfic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the police found it and locked it. Yeah. And they're like, okay. Well, you wrote this note. You wrote one to your parents detailing your exact motive. So. And you had a lot of the supplies that you're talking about. Yeah. So what is Lois's whole thing? Like, what's her motive? Does she have a motive? Does she even care? What is she doing there? I think she doesn't care. I mean, I think she clearly is dealing with lots of mental health issues. And I'm not saying that as some sort of excuse because yet so did I at 14. She seems more like the follower. So I don't really like to give those labels. But it's Isabel has is the one with the plan. I think if anything, maybe Lois thought it would be cool that she would go down in notoriety. Or maybe she thought that Isabel would never go through with it. But if Lois was the one to be like, oh, you can't do that. Then maybe she wouldn't be seen as cool by her TCC community. And again, this is not to diminish any of the impact that Lois Lippard had. It seems as if Isabel is the one more so spearheading this. She's the one with the very strong reasoning of why she felt she wanted to kill John. But I think it's also just as discussing that Lois is like, oh, I'm doing it for the thrill. I'm for the fun. And like, maybe I'll be known in the TCC community. Regardless, despicable. And I think one of the reasons that the investigators moved so fast on this tip was, well, it was their job. They had to. But also they've had problems with Isabel prior to this. In fact, the police were at Isabel's house Thursday night for something else. The night before? Yeah. The night before. Okay. So the night before the police go to Isabel Valdes' house because she had been trying to do these like, swatting calls on people. There was like three different swatting incidents. I think she was trying to swap the school or swat an individual at the school. It's a little bit unclear because they're all minors. But there's swatting incidents. Just know that. She's like trying to get someone swatted. They come, they grab her phone. Now Thursday night, they go back to her house and they're like, hey, we have your phone. We could do, like, we could get a warrant. And there's like so much paperwork or you could just sign this consent form. Let us go through your phone. So they sign the consent form. The police leave Thursday night. Uh-huh. They get a tip in early hours of Friday morning. And then it's like the last few sentences are, oh, I think their name is Isabel. So after the police took her phone, she's on the score messaging on her computer, yes, our computer messaging her friend, saying, I'm going to do this now. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Yeah. She felt like she was already going to go away for the swatting incident. So she might as well do it now. Now is the only time that she can do this. Lo is even mentioned to her that she's anxious planning. And maybe she shouldn't go through with it. But Isabel was like, no, I'm going to go through with it. And she even tells another friend about it Thursday night. I think she told, maybe it was just one could have been more, but that one person does end up sending in that anonymous tip. I mean, that tip really saved John's life. Yeah. No, John's mom has done an interview where she said the person, I mean, she knows who made the tip and she spoke into that child. And she says the child is her hero. Now Isabel tells Lois in the car in the back of the police car. I did write a note to my parents. Did you write one to your parents? Lois is like, no, you should have. They said I'm going to be able to contact my parents and I get there. Me too. I haven't talked to my parents yet. I don't know if my parents even know what's going on. They don't. They haven't contacted my neither. My mom's going to be yelling at me through the phone. Like, what are you going to do? Why are you trying to kill this fucking kid? Lois is like, I think my mom's going to be okay. I lookie. I lookie. I think she's probably going to fuck with it when they ask me like, do you really want to lie? Would your parents really want you to lie for Jimmy? Yeah, they would. Yeah. And then remember earlier in the car ride while they were roleplaying Columbine Isabel looked out the window gets distracted by the building and she says, hey, my sister goes to therapy there. Then she starts going on this very bizarre trauma dump where she says, my mom's going to see the police car and she's going to be like, damn. And then when I call her, I'm going to be like, hey, mama, that was me in the police car. You see me? And she says, you and my mom was telling me about this morning because she was talking about somebody. And then she was like, oh, yeah, this girl I know, she got criminal charges because she hit somebody and drove away with her car. And she was like, don't get any criminal charges because that messes with your record. I'm sorry, mama. Lois is like, I might get criminal charges, I guess, which is like, it's okay. We get them together. Okay. Yeah. Honestly, we're probably going to get a minimum of what four years or so. And this is when Lois starts to get disgruntled because Lois is the accomplice, right? So she's like, I'm not getting four years. Yes, you are. You helped. I'm not doing that. Hey, by the time we're going to be out, we could probably go to community college together. Yeah, I'm not going to go away for that long. We'll keep probably a good thing. You didn't actually end up doing anything because imagine I actually did a like, you know, it's so it seems like Lois is very disgruntled about the idea of getting that many years later. The topic is approached again when is Bell says, my family isn't probably even going to visit me. Man, I don't even fucking care. I'll visit you. Isabel's confused. Huh? I'll visit you. Huh? I'll visit you when I'm out before you shut up. You're not getting up before me. How would I get a longer sentence than you? It's redacted, but contextually, it feels like Isabel is bringing up the fact that Lois helped sharpen the knife. And maybe they told somebody I don't know, but Isabel is like, dude, they said that they were going to take photos in the bathroom as evidence. Dude, like, I don't know what they're going to fucking take though. Like, it was the metal pipe. What are they supposed to take there? Wait, so do we know how many years they are possibly facing? Oh, yeah. Like 20. For both? Yeah. Oh, they're treated the same. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's attempted murder. Yeah. So they're both got the same charges. Yeah. For, um, are they tried as adults? They're tried as does. And they were denied bond or bail. Yeah. So this conversation was released. What about like, any interrogation, any more? Not yet. I think that will probably be released later. Um, because technically it's an open investigation. So it'll probably come out during the trial. And then if you were to for your request, you'd probably get all of that after the investigation. But they released this. Yes. Already. Yes. Because they showed it to the judge. Yes. Yes. This, this whole police tape was shown to the judge to be like, you cannot let them out on bail. And that's why it's allowed to be released to the public. Interesting. I guess I'm really curious to know when is the moment that they realize. Mm hmm. And when they truly flip on each other. Yeah. Or truly realize, I wonder if it's going to happen anytime soon. It already seems like it because when they were in the court hearing, they are supposed to be separated. They're not supposed to have any contact with each other. The judges already stated that however, they won't even like look at each other. And maybe they won't look at each other because their attorneys were like, don't fucking look at each other or they don't like each other. Yeah. Which I would imagine because these are very flimsy friendships that they formed on the basis of what they're both dumb and idiotic. Yeah. Yeah. And when they're talking about how at least they're not school shooters because that would get them life in prison, Isabel asks Lois almost nervously, well, how long am I going to get? I'm not getting it much time. And again, later, Lois brings it up again. And I think Isabel doesn't like these mentions because Lois mentioned, I'm probably not going to like, my involvement is not that long. So I'll be out before you. I'm probably not going to get life in jail because my parents are going to give me the best lawyers they can. And the police finally interjects. And they ask, this is the first time they jumped in. Young lady, what's your name? Which one? I'm guessing he points because Isabel responds Isabel Valdez. She spells her name. And yours, young lady, Lois Lippert. And it's very clear. The officers are listening to everything. And I also think that asking for their names was a good idea. I don't know if it would fly in court, but it's a good idea in the sense of these kids can't later say, oh, I wasn't in a fucking status psychosis. This was like shared psychosis. We're losing our minds. It's like, tell me your name. Tell me your date of birth. Okay. You're clearly in somewhat of a right state of mind because the types of things they were saying, maybe a defense attorney would later say, yeah, they were role-playing Columbine. They were in a state of psychosis. Yeah. And the fact that in the middle of the conversation, he decided to ask for their name when he already has names. In the back of the police car, they've been arrested. Yeah. He knows their names. Yeah. So I think everything is very intentional at this point and it's very clear He's listening to everything because at one point is about later later on as well as talking in depth about I kind of need a fart. Lois is like, please don't dude. I just keep needing to take a shit over there And I was so embarrassed because they kept on coming into the stall with me and when I sat down I felt like I had to shit and I felt like it was gonna come out because I had diarrhea And I still have it and then it's silence and the officer butts in don't mess up my seat Please you'll be out here cleaning it up. Oh, no, thank you. So as well as like, okay, I'm not gonna die Rio. No, thank you. Dude, I used to have to clean this is as well I used to have to clean up my sibling shit because my mom would be sleeping and my sister would literally take off her diaper And she would put it all over her bed Oh Dude, I think there was like a year or two that she was like my mom was cooking or while she was doing something She would take her diaper off and she would pee on her bed. She would literally spread her legs open on her bed and pee Oh, your siblings are wildin. I know my brother keeps on humping everything now My mom tells him to stop and he just keeps on doing it and then he goes He goes into my closet because I sleep with my sister. I think I told you right He goes into my closet and he puts on my sister's bathing suit So I don't know. I think this seems like the point where some people feel there might be a lot more going on in Isabel's life clearly because that both the girls seem to be struggling a lot mentally Again, not that it's justification for anything, but these are very specific stories she's sharing Then later lowest mentions that she has to pee so bad to which Isabel tells her that the police officers aren't gonna let her use the restroom when they get to the police station To which lowest is like dude, I have to go to the bathroom. I'm gonna piss myself. They have to clean that up And Isabel says um my mouth is right here. Dude, there's a lot of overtly sexual Comments being made lowest later again mentions. I did not expect them to let us go into the same car and shit Can't complain. Yeah, I'm not complaining at all so much better than having to stare off into the distance and think of all your regrets And then lowest says I'm actually gonna piss myself. I can't laugh anymore. Yuck It's bad. I've been holding it in for like an hour. You've been horny for an hour. No, I'm oh is it because I'm here Later lowest is complaining about how her strap keeps hanging off her shoulder and Isabel offers I'll pull it up with my teeth Just their entire demeanor in the car is I mean, it's gonna be a defense attorney's nightmare At one point the both of them are talking about how the comfort level of this car ride compares to the last time they were in a police car It's like they're giving it uber car ride ratings. Isabel says do last time. They didn't even put me in handcuffs They just stuck me they let me take my stuff too. I was able to take some of my little ponies my plush and my phone But then they took my phone away they took all my stuff away because they were like you can't have this in here So I was like okay, whatever They're both charged with attempted murder and possessing a weapon on school property And they will both be tried as adults during their court hearing they don't nearly look as giggly or as quirky as they did in the back of the police car They were both present but separated during the hearing their parents were there Lois's parents pleaded with the judge that if Lois is released out on bail She would not be able to have any access to her electronics. She will be closely monitored the prosecutors argue So did the parents get Lois the best attorney that she claim that they're going to get him get her? Does not seem like it. I think probably the best that they could but I don't think Lois's Parents are pulling in Brian steel, you know like I don't think they're yeah, yeah, which but they aren't the same jail. Yes Interesting so they can talk to each other freely. No, they cannot. Oh, they cannot. Yeah, they're not allowed to be near each other They're not a lot of communicate with one another. Yeah, I see now the prosecutors argue that the young ladies exhibit Calis nature sociopathic attitudes They say that the concept of murdering another person to resurrect a school shooter is unvathomable and they show the judge The police car footage to argue that they cannot be released out on bail The judge states that their clear lack of remorse proved that they were a danger to society She says I don't think there's anything I could do that would keep the community safe and it's clearly a dangerous crime All the elements I think have been met in the video that I watched they thought this was cute I don't want her on the Internet talking to other young folks about this. It's too dangerous And so for that reason I think that there's a real risk to the community that I just can't fix and both of them were denied a bail Yeah, I mean yeah, they would probably go back on tumblr and Twitter and say a bunch of shit The 15 year old boy's mother has done an interview and she's asked You know to know the allegations of the two girls plotting the allegations of them wanting to hurt and kill your baby Your son as a mom, you know, she says yeah, I was destroyed. I still am it's never gonna be the same It's very hard. I've broken down a lot. I still break down at work. I so by the way, she works at the school So yeah, I mean she says I still haven't been sleeping well I haven't been eating and I've been waking up on alert high alert like two three times a night as for her son She says he's so brave. He's so brave and smart and talented and the hero of the story is the tipster And that person is the hero of my life and I've told them that if the tipster hadn't made that notification Do you think your son would still be alive? I think that we would I think it would be in a very no To make matters worse like I said she works in that school and she walks by the school bathroom Where isabel and Lois allegedly planned on killing her son every day isabel has since written a letter to the judge Which reads dear judge chase first of all I want to say that I'm very remorseful for my actions being away from everything Isolated from people the internet just everything changed my perspective on life growing up I was exposed to the internet at a very young age and all of that was bad that stemmed from it The internet made me a horrible horrible person I was groomed and assaulted multiple times growing up by people my own age and people older than me I've always denied anything happening because I've always felt like expressing this to anyone made me weak Sometimes I still do my own parents don't even know about it I was also bullied growing up very severely that I had been Wanting to self-exit since I was seven. I never expressed this feeling because I felt like others would not take me seriously since I was so young I spoke out on the bullying But no one paid attention to whatever I said even if my parents spoke out My parents and my family tried to help me growing up But I never accepted it for some reason. I don't know why but I always thought that they were against me I wanted help but I couldn't accept it when it came later on this just changed into thoughts of quote I could never be left My parents tried their hardest and they wanted to give me a better life than they ever had They're still trying their hardest trying to get me home Around the age of 10 I found joy in hurting those that hurt me Which I don't anymore and around 12 I just enjoyed hurting others But around 12 I fell into a very very deep depression She talks about how in 2024 she was getting better because she was placed on a psychiatric hold And then in 2025 she relapsed and quote "around the same time I had met Lois Lippert my co-defendant and we both got worse together I asked him pray that you have sympathy and compassion on her In 2022-2023 I joined this group called TCC Which also had affected me greatly This group they all promoted violence I felt seen there but in reality it was deteriorating me I got groomed in this community She explains that she joked around about killing John with Lois but later Because they were both in such bad mental states They thought it was okay Now to explain about John I used to like him a lot because he reminded me of a shooter I liked Which I no longer do I have multiple forms of anxiety so I never spoke to him in fear of getting rejected So I started following him around Which I'm deeply sorry about now When I was detained I started acting recklessly and edgy I made everything worse than it was because I wanted help I wanted to paint myself as more insane so I could be sent to some place where I could get help But obviously it didn't work As I've been here I've been thinking about my life and my choices And please ask you to please have sympathy on me For I want to change and I'm changing as a person I'm not the same girl I was three months ago I think it's a very conflicting feeling because a lot of netizens feel that at 15 You definitely know better I mean I think a lot of us can think back to when we were 15 and none of us had any sort of Glorification of school shooters wanting to resurrect somebody from the dead Let alone Adam lands of all people And then trying to kill a classmate bringing a knife to school Like these are all very extreme thoughts But I guess people are open to perhaps listening to Isabelle's life story But they also don't think that that's any excuse It's just a way to understand her actions And hopefully prevent other kids from going through the same experiences And acting out in the same way And I don't mean to say acting out to diminish the gravity of what they were planning on doing But you get what I'm saying Yeah I mean honestly the tipster also saved their lives Yeah, yeah, oh yeah So yeah And I do think that some netizens have an annoyance with this And the letter in general and any sympathy towards the two girls Because it's almost become this weird thing where people in the TCC community Think that being bullied is an excuse to kill people Like it gives you sympathy points And it's like do you know how many people have been bullied growing up It doesn't give you the right to make grave quote-unquote mistakes In the form of taking someone else's life So it's like yes, okay, maybe she had a rough life But she was also planning on killing an innocent classmate Who did nothing wrong, not that even that would warrant anything But just because you looked like someone that she idolizes, that is a v- person to begin with? So I think that there's this pushback of people being like, "No, you know, I was bullied. I'm not fucking going around trying to resurrect people." That is where the case is right now with Netizens commenting, "What the fuck? How did they even come up with this?" Others are commenting, "The conversation in the back of the car is so casual?" Others are saying, "They're laughing as a defense mechanism for being arrested. They're coping with it by laughing it off. It's likely how they respond to any other situation in which they're caught for doing anything else that's wrong, or when they're being laughed at themselves or being excluded, humiliated, bullied, whatever." As a teacher, I recognize the same behavior and students who know that they're going to bomb a test or don't do their homework or otherwise get called out. They'll announce it loudly like, "Man, I'm about to fail. This test's so bad." Or something like that. It's all about saving face and the behavior becomes so ingrained that it becomes the default. They can't be seen to ever take anything seriously about anything that others take seriously because it's the only way for them to win in so many situations that they repeatedly lose. I don't say this as an excuse for them, but yeah, I totally recognize those laughs. Others say they always laugh when they first get caught, but then they cry when the guilty verdict is read out. Others are just commenting, "Yeah, these kids definitely grew up on discord." Others are saying, "You dropped your crown queen, and it's just like a dumpster lid." Always the weird-looking ones. These are comments. Anyone who works in, near, or is friends with someone in school understands this is not shocking. And about her Sandy Hook obsession, one person writes, "What a weird obsession." I mean, you could have done something productive with your passion, like, volunteer to help those affected by gun violence, but instead you did this. Shame on you. Others are upset about Fox fever saying, "I refuse to believe she's Fox fever. I love there art so much." One, yes, in the community that loves zero day. And then in another common states, she suffered from extreme mental illnesses. All the adults in her life failed her. She had a Twitter account dedicated to having an ED where she would post pictures of her throwing up into the toilet bowl after, like, "I feel bad." Others say, "I'm not even mad. I'm sad these girls need help badly. How do they even get to this point mentally without someone intervening as heartbreaking, heartbreak emoji?" You can tell they have no idea the big picture of what they just did. Others are, on the complete opposite side, writing, "Death penalty to these ugly weirdos." Which is a bit extreme. Another one writes, "They're teenagers. Their brains aren't fully formed and they'll just go along with just about anything to fit in. My guess is one of them had deep seated issues and mostly push the idea forward and the other one has issues of her own, but just mainly went along with it." To which someone responds, "Okay, but they still sound way less sane than most teenagers." But also, there's just really alarming comments like about the girls who wanted to kill that boy to revive Adam. If I saw a dude who looked just like Adam, I'd want to date him. Like, no need to kill him for real. So that is where I leave you with this case. I will let you know if there's any updates with any of the future court hearings and the pending trial if they plead not guilty. So if they're not going to get a plea deal, what are your thoughts on this case? Let me know in the comments, stay safe, and I'll see you in the next one.