Speaker 1oh what a time is now on patreon you can get main feed episodes before everyone else ad free plus access to our full archive of bonus content two bonus episodes every month early access to live show tickets and access to the oh what a time group chat plus if you become an oh what a time all-timer myself tom and ellis will riff on your name to postulate where else in history you might have popped up for all your options you can go to patreon.com forward slash oh what a time hello and welcome to oh what a time this is a history podcast we're going to go back into the past and this week i was thinking about the past in particular i was thinking about pirates and i was thinking you ever have this you just wake up you just think like in the middle of the night why did they have hooks do you know what i mean interesting yeah i looked into it oh did you oh
Speaker 2you actually have the answer i have the answer why do you think why do i think they had hooks well for a start they obviously lost they lost their hands because there were so many injuries on that that i mean it must be shot or bitten by a shark or ropes we take it in turns to do these
Speaker 3intros and my intro if it had been my turn was i've just dropped an iphone wireless charger on my toe which is the most modern injury i've ever had and now we're discussing how pirates used to injure themselves which obviously it does not and you've now had your foot replaced with a hook haven't you
Speaker 1as well it would have been i've got a list of how pirates would lose their hands in the first place different reasons i'd love this battles so cannon blasts gunfire sword fights the primary suspects but also these are the ones that i didn't really think about accidents on board so obviously lots of ropes lots of pulleys lots of heavy equipment yeah i don't think it's easy to pull them out of the
Speaker 2that crush or sever limbs see i've watched a program called a deadliest cat you've ever seen that and they always talk about how a lot of the injuries are when they are pulling maybe the anchor up or putting ropes netting over the side and it gets caught on a on a limb in a storm there's so many injuries from that yeah so that that does check out yeah and then also this is a grim one
Speaker 1obviously in the 1600s 1700s you you don't have penicillin so even like small wounds could turn deadly without modern medicine so they'll just chop you up and you're like oh my god i'm going to even if you've got a small wound that got infected you might be better off just losing that there
Speaker 2that you live to survive captain hook that was the crocodile wasn't it that's the one i know about that he he had his arm he got his arms bitten by a crocodile didn't he is that isn't that right i think that's what happened in peter pan that's the only other one i know well my next question
Speaker 1was like was was captain hook based on a real person like was there an actual pirate who had a hook and the answer is no maybe a bit like a bit of black beard but there wasn't a guy like it for shame but why why would sailors go for the hook above all other influence sort of tin opener
Speaker 3sort of basic tin opener i would have had a swiss army knife attached to my sort of stuff this is
Speaker 1what i was thinking like there's a million other contraptions you could have instead of a hand you
Speaker 2can pick things out of your beard with it i suppose you can kind of tweezers old bits of food out your beard tweezers exactly genuinely i i'll step my way through this but i assume it's something to do with use on the ship yeah so it's it's a shape where you can maybe steal loosen ropes and things that will be part of your day-to-day life on a ship i'm guessing it's to do with that he's pretty
Speaker 1he's pretty pretty close so obviously obviously the the if you lost your hand you could have like a wooden prosthetic uh which is obviously not very functional but so that's why a lot of pirates went
Speaker 2for hooks because it was good and also that would rot wouldn't it as well if it gets in in wet weather surely a wooden prosthetic is if you i don't know go and get it i don't know i don't know
Speaker 1if you get the 1600s equivalent of ron's seal on it i imagine it could do you a couple of world tours easily replaceable though that's true that's true okay sorry chris so what's the reason then as you say tom gripping ropes uh rigging it's a lot better than a wooden hand but also you could hold tools or weapons with a hook yeah and it's and it's very simple to make
Speaker 2compared to other options also on some level it just looks really scary and cool i think see someone coming at you with a big sharp hook when you're when your modus operandi is to look scary that's your main aim your main job is to freak people out i've never not thought when someone's
Speaker 3got a hook for a hand oh he isn't hard
Speaker 1it's funny those things in history that suddenly i just woke up in the middle of night and thought why did they have hooks that shows to me you've got a nice life do you think yeah because you're
Speaker 3not thinking about your own personal problems you're thinking about the problems of pirates of 400 years ago clearly your personal life is tip top sorry there's a double negative there i've never thought that someone with a hook isn't hard i still i've never not thought but basically if you've got a hook for a hand i am avoiding you certainly in a sort of pirate combat situation yeah i very rarely think about history first thing yeah yes i i love history and i'm fascinated by it and i occasionally fantasize about going back to university to do another history degree but i don't know if i'm going to do another history degree but i don't think i think about history until i've been awake for at least 40 minutes
Speaker 2but i would do the thing l where if i'm thinking about pirates and i'm lying there i can't sleep i'm thinking about how would i have fared as a pirate and that is something i would do saying victorian britain comes into my thoughts a lot at like two in the morning and i'm thinking about what would i do to survive you've got a nice life as well
Speaker 1when i think about victorian britain now tom because of you i imagine your idea of going back in time and showing everyone smash burgers as street food yes and revolution revolutionizing victorian society just changing everything yes yeah but the other thing i think about with history is i'd love to like feel how heavy chain mail is but not but not in a battle context
Speaker 2just in a safe sort of a front room with a nice fire no like a training day like a staff away day
Speaker 3but for nights hold a really big real sword
Speaker 2it's the food i'd like to eat well get this one of the parents at my school uh she is an author she's currently writing a love story set in medieval britain and she's going away for three days next week to learn how to joust this is thing is you can still do this you can go and learn how to joust there's different castles and different places around the country where if that's your thing you can actually go and experience jousting today so you probably could experience chain mail
Speaker 3yeah but that's the thing then you meet these people and you say so what do you do in your day-to-day life and they go i'm actually the board of directors at confused.com so uh this is how i unwind at the weekend um because obviously you know a lot of work in front of a screen during the week so then i want to go back to sort of how we used to do things about 600 years ago when i when i'm unwinding at
Speaker 2the weekend yeah or they've made shit loads of money in the pandemic just don't have to work yeah yeah yeah i'm kind of a major shareholder in zoom yeah and then that sort of changed
Speaker 3everything in my life it was very screen orientated my sort of career and then i made i must admit i made a decent amount of money and now i'm living like it's 1510 my earnings went from 4 000 pounds a year to 12 billion i'm actually a billionaire so yeah so there you are well that's what i do
Speaker 2chris that's genuinely a genuinely impressive research i'm i'm really i'm impressed with that i wonder what would be the the key cause of your career i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know of limb loss i think it probably is rope since it's got to be that sort of stuff isn't it probably on board a pirate ship it's it's it's the i think it's more the day-to-day you think risks of anchors and yeah i do actually think i think that's probably what that would be my guess uh but i've got nothing to back that up okay today's episode as chris has just shown his ability to research to learn and to teach well today's episode is on education look at that for a link i am going to be talking today about the story of school dinners uh in this country and also a bit about the story of school dinners in america and
Speaker 3it's it's a fascinating tale i am going to be talking about corporal punishment in british
Speaker 1schools and we're going back to antiquity to find out how great how the greeks and the romans
Speaker 2did schooling yeah i'm imagining that was sort of not very fun for some reason i don't know why you won't be surprised to learn fighting plays a big role okay great
Speaker 4it's
Speaker 1a real case of i'm so glad i wasn't born there again they love training their kids to be killers
Speaker 3do you know what i imagine what i like imagining though i often imagine how i would have been if i if that had been just the culture i'd grown up in can you imagine a hench hard ripped tom crane who's been schooled in the art of warfare since he was about three years of age
Speaker 2there's always been weeds ellis there's always been the other end of the spectrum i'm sure i continue to fill that break
Speaker 3it i think even plato and socrates could like handle themselves yeah yeah you are right you'd have been you'd have been weeded by comparison but certainly not by today's standards just within
Speaker 2the context of them yeah just within the context of ancient greece so before we get into that though uh should we dip into a little bit of correspondence
Speaker 5so you've sent us some correspondence have you well let's take a look at it then
Speaker 2i got an instagram message earlier someone slipped into our show dms it literally came in an hour ago and i loved it so much i'm going to read it straight away that's how impressed i was by this this message so this is from kieran north whose message is to say a quick tale of being palmed off now for anyone that thinks that sounds like a very rude story it's not this reference is how recently i got trapped on a roller coaster for 45 minutes at alton towers and then uh for that i got a free bottle of water and also two fast passes and we discussed how if this was america i'd have come away from that day with four million pounds in my pocket well we then asked have you been palmed off and kieran has he says a quick tale as i say of being palmed off brighton palace pier either in the very late 80s or the very early 90s it's not important i was getting onto a car at a fairground when the guy started the mechanism causing the carriage to swing around and hit me straight in the jaw oh my god knocking me off my feet like a right hook and i was about seven or eight that's what he said as recompense for some reason this really makes me laugh and before checking if i had concussion or not the staff took me and my sister on every single ride one after another and then gave us free fish and chips and 99s all free of charge now there's a second story in this email so let's discuss this i would say if i've been knocked out by a swirling waltz so the last thing i want to do is go immediately on every other ride there and then be given really heavy
Speaker 3food true but we're looking at context by the standard of the time yep that is the absolute most you could expect do you think there have been a lot of parents so kieran's you know kieran's parents or guardian or whoever would have told their friends and then we got free rides free fish and chips and i can guarantee to you that everyone has said oh so it was worth it then that was yeah it was quite good then in
Speaker 1the end it turned out all right didn't it i mean the one thing about the 80s is it i presume it's the 80s is it uh yes there's 80s or early 90s one thing about the 80s or 90s is that it is a less litigious culture and issues like that were often resolved immediately you know and a bit over the top like that yeah yeah absolutely i remember once there was like i getting chips somewhere and there was like a flight in the chips and they were like here have eight chips you know yeah
Speaker 2instead of instead of no win no fee yeah it's funny you say that because kieran goes on to say i also once had a dead moth in place of a raisin in a cabri's fruit and nut bar what do you think he got um uh from cabri's for that what do you think he got paid another fruit he got a 10 pound postal order
Speaker 1from the huge company cabri's i remember once i got a chocolate bar and it was it was a kind of third tier chocolate bar i can't it wasn't even one you think that probably even exists now but when i opened it up the chocolate had gone like all manky and a bit white inside and my mum was like great here we go this is your first consumer rights letter let's do it together like a bit of a project and i wrote a letter to this company they came out they sent me like a 50 pound voucher which is in the days when you know yeah yeah it's like 50 pounds and uh i just couldn't spend it it was impossible
Speaker 2what what could you spend this on this voucher what do they want they were like tell us what
Speaker 1you want as far as i remember like write to us back you can have 50 pounds worth of stuff i think i've got some boxes of some boxes of stuff and i ended up taking them all to school
Speaker 2just handing them out wow classic you yeah very generous isn't it just where you are the the the robin hood of east london i don't reckon that last bit happened ellis i feel he's just stuck that on
Speaker 1at the end i've retained the memory of writing the letter and getting that letter back i don't
Speaker 2remember what we did with the chocolate i don't know what happened you probably just ate it all but i like the way you spun it as if i just went to school gave it to everyone who gave it to the
Speaker 3needy i actually i actually took it down to great ormond street from what i remember and just dishing
Speaker 2out chocolate to all the local kids but that's just me that's just me and by the end i realized i've forgotten to have a bar for myself actually i've just given them all out i didn't didn't have any chocolate but you know classic skull so kieran north thank you very much for sending that in i love both stories in that the 10 pound postal order for the moth in the chocolate and also being forced to go on every ride after you've been hit in the face by one great it's great content he says love the pod cheers kieran still in brighton thank you for that if anyone else has any stories that relate to this show have you been fobbed off as something awful happened to you where you should have got more than 10 quid in the post then here's how you get
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Speaker 1so this week education education education the words of tony blair and the theme of this week's topic gentlemen what will you be talking
Speaker 2about later in the show i'm going to close the show by talking about school meals the history
Speaker 3of that here and in america and i am going to be talking about corporal punishment in british schools
Speaker 1so now it's time to go back in time for me modern education with all its applications smart devices whiteboards tables league tables it still rests on foundations that were laid in the ancient world even the language of schooling now gives the game away school comes from the latin schooler a place of learning did you know that i did not know i didn't know that education from educare in latin which means to bring up or train curriculum obviously latin word but that's from cucur to run a course college from collegium a body of people working together so if you strip away the centuries the structure still looks familiar stages of learning subjects grouped by purpose and progressions of learning and expression based on ability so we have modern schooling owes a lot to antiquity so the language that we use for modern schooling it's clearly inherited from antiquity so school comes from the latin schooler a place of learning education from educare to bring up or train curriculum obviously a latin word that comes from cucur to run a course and college from collegium a body of people working together so you strip away all those centuries and you have to bring up or train the structure of schooling is very familiar in antiquity stages of learning subjects grouped by purpose and progression based on ability i found that quite interesting that it is quite
Speaker 2it's similar you know classes subjects yeah um what's what's the what's uh roman for prefab hut which was where i seem to spend a lot of my lessons and teachers who've lost interest yeah exactly yeah yeah did you have those huts that were just freezing it was mad it's thing that they'd have backstage in a festival with someone to briefly get ready in, but you'd just spend a whole day in there.
Speaker 3We had one called Caban Gronjeth, which means the science cabin. Right, yeah. And a Caban Nowith, which means the new cabin. And the new cabin had a load of mould on it. So I remember thinking, first lesson in there, thinking, it doesn't feel that new.
Speaker 2And a minimum of 4,000 footballs on the roof as well.
Speaker 1The day that someone would get in early and the caretaker throw them all in the playground to help the school. Brilliant. One of the best days of the year. I thought that was unique to my school growing up, the port cabin. Was everyone at it? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3No, we had them in the playground.
Speaker 1Yeah, so did we. I actually went back to my school not so long ago, maybe a couple of years ago, and all those port cabins were gone. Oh, really? Brick buildings. Wow. What took them so long?
Speaker 3Well, my school moved premises when I was in Form 5. So, yeah, we got rid of them then. I don't know if the new school has got them, but, no, it was, yeah, certainly up to year 11. Well, well, well. A lot of port cabin-based education.
Speaker 1Port cabin-based education. So, let's go back before the port cabin age. We'll go back to ancient Greece, Athens. So, education aimed to produce well-rounded citizens, and more precisely, well-rounded male citizens. Girls were excluded from formal education, and they instead got training in domestic skills at home, which I think we may have covered before. Well, the system in ancient Greece was you had four core strands. You did literacy and literature, you had music, you did mathematics, and, of course, physical training. Ah, yeah. You're battering each other.
Speaker 3That's where Tom Crane is turning from weed into hard man.
Speaker 2I'm guessing this isn't badminton and stuff like that, is it, that we used to do, or table tennis, as we used to at school. It's just fighting, basically. Is that what it is?
Speaker 1Fighting, yeah, physical training. Right, getting ready. So, we'll get on to Sparta in a second. But boys in ancient Greece, they learned to read and write. They used set texts, like they had a curriculum, so they were reading Homer. They picked up musical skills. As we mentioned, they trained their bodies for military service. And those who continued progressed to rhetoric, philosophy, geometry, astronomy, the intellectual toolkit of public life.
Speaker 2I'm just imagining myself in my trumpet lesson, knowing I'm going to be fighting someone in an hour.
Speaker 3Just finding it really hard to concentrate. Trumpet 9 until 10. And then fighting 10 until 11. And then rhetoric. Rhetoric with a black eye.
Speaker 2Really struggling to hit the notes. What's the problem with Tom? I've got my mind elsewhere, sir, to be honest.
Speaker 3Your heart doesn't seem to be in this trumpet lesson, Mr Crane. No, well, yeah.
Speaker 1I do remember a bit of this. I remember we had four classes per day when I was at school. And I remember once I had a term where the third class, it was like rugby in the winter. So it was freezing cold. And then like getting into like a maths class for the last class of the day in winter and the classroom was never quite warm enough and just sitting there freezing, battened. That's what it's going to be like. That's what it would have been like for Tom. Trumpet into fighting. Into maths. Oh, dear. That's ancient Greece. Over in Sparta. And as we know, probabilities are very different. Education was run through the state-controlled agogae. A system designed to produce disciplined soldiers. A system that was the antithesis of what Tom Crane needs. Literacy existed in Sparta, but it was secondary. Everything was geared towards strength, endurance, obedience. And they were the examinable subjects. So there was a little bit of music and dance, but even those had a martial edge to it. In both cases, as I mentioned at the start, girls are being excluded. If I had to pick one, I would say, I'm going ancient Greece. I think we covered this in our Sparta episode. It sounds absolutely horrendous going to school in Sparta. So the Romans, slightly different, but they still borrow heavily from the Greeks and organised education into a clearer pipeline. So a Roman boy would be passing through three stages of schooling. So you'd have ludus, which is like primary school. The focus there, reading, writing, arithmetic. Grammaticus, which is your secondary school. So there you're focusing on literature, language, especially Greek, and analysis, and you have retor, which is advanced rhetoric, philosophy, and preparation for in public life. At the middle level...
Speaker 2So it's very similar, isn't it, when you look at what we have now, primary, secondary, university. That's like university.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. In the Roman equivalent of secondary school, students were expected not just to read text, but to interpret them, to analyse the language. The arguments understand the meaning. By the mid-teens, elite students were effectively bilingual and trained to speak, persuade, and debate. Education, in other words, was preparation for law, politics, and administration.
Speaker 2Do you think it was easier because there was sort of less stuff to do after school? It's like now kids have got telly, they've got computer games, they've got all this sort of stuff. Whereas in general, what have you got? You've got some nice weather, admittedly. You could run around and play some sport, admittedly. But there's less to distract you. I wonder whether there's... No, I think it probably was. Yeah, it's, you know, books were the modern technology of the time, or scrolls, or whatever. Whatever they would have been. So maybe you're drawn to them more.
Speaker 1Do you know what I've never heard said, but I think is true? The ancient Greeks and the ancient Romans would have loved football. When you think about their sports, they're all violent, or they're like chariot racing, or they're, you know, getting in the Colosseum and fighting a lion.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Get a ball, kick it around, they would have loved that.
Speaker 2Yeah. Are you saying... That's a spectator sport. ...but maintaining the raw violence? So basically it's all 80s football.
Speaker 3Well, there's that Italian sport, isn't there, where it's an ancient sport that's existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years, and that's extremely violent. They play it in southern Italy. I can't remember the name of it. Yeah, I reckon they'd have loved a bit of football. They'd have loved it. They'd have absolutely loved it. I think it would be more sort of 1980s English long ball game than the sort of peppy-era football.
Speaker 1If Sam Allardyce had been around, in ancient Rome, if they'd have got into football,
Speaker 3he would have cleared up. It was the Calcio Storico Fiorentino, and it's like an early form of football that sort of originated in the Middle Ages, and they still play it. And you can see it on YouTube. It is extremely violent. They love getting in amongst it.
Speaker 1Get on them. So, as we all know, the Western Roman Empire eventually collapsed, and its educational system largely went with it. But what's happening now? It did survive. It did so in religious settings. So, monasteries, cathedral schools, that's where learning was reshaped, and it was reshaped around theology. So, from this environment emerged the seven liberal arts, divided into the trivium, grammar, logic, rhetoric, and the quadrivium, arithmetic, geometry, music, astronomy. So, these subjects were codified by Cassiodorus, a 6th century thinker, who believed literacy and learning were essential to both faith, and society. And at his school, the vivarium, students worked through set texts, beginning with scripture, in a structured progression, not unlike a modern syllabus. Importantly, this wasn't a purely religious education. Cassiodorus encouraged the study of medicine and classical science alongside theology, preserving fragments of ancient knowledge that might otherwise have been lost.
Speaker 2I love the idea of studying astronomy. That's great. That would be a great subject to learn.
Speaker 3The only shame is, 2,000 years ago, what they were studying was absolute bollocks. They thought they were right, but it's unfortunate. That's a really good point.
Speaker 2But in a way, that makes it more exciting. You don't need to know it's bollocks. You can just learn, you know. Yeah, that's a very good point.
Speaker 1Has anyone ever sent in an idea for a one-day time machine, which is to go back and just be a massive smarty-pants at school? Yes. In, like, the Middle Ages. Yeah.
Speaker 2The earth revolves around the sun. Yeah, that would be the classic, wouldn't it?
Speaker 3It's actually the other way around, guys.
Speaker 2But would you come across as a smarty-pants when you then have to back up that information? So how are you explaining that, Chris? Let me go with that. Prove it. Prove it or I'll cut your head off.
Speaker 1Three words, trust me, bro.
Speaker 2Yeah, this is my concern. So I don't think you'd come across as a smarty-pants. I think you'd come across as the one guy who'd got it wrong.
Speaker 1I like to think, Tom, you'd go back in your one-day time machine, you'd be wearing really smart trainers, and they would immediately burn you as a witch. For a single word had been uttered. Am I just wearing the trainers? In that case, yeah. So by the early Middle Ages, rulers began to formalise education again. One of the first to do that was Charlemagne, who ordered in 789 that every cathedral and monastery in his empire should run a school. Pupils were to learn psalms, writing, singing, arithmetic, grammar. In other words, literacy, numeracy, and religious knowledge, the essentials of administration and a clerical life. So what emerges from the Middle Ages into today is continuity, the Greeks gave us the idea of a rounded education, the Romans structured it, the medieval church preserved and adapted it, the core subjects, language, number, argument, smattering of science, that's never gone away through the thousands of years since the ancient Greeks got started. The three R's of later centuries, reading, writing, arithmetic, are simply the latest version of a system that's been evolving for over 2,000 years. Different buildings, different ideologies, same basic ideas. And boy, is that worth it. Those words, different buildings. doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Speaker 2That's genuinely fascinating, isn't it, that those systems still, the parallels are so stark. Wow. I know.
Speaker 3There's going to be ancient Greeks with pencil cases. Doing their A-levels and being a hard man.
Speaker 2Hard man studies, GMVQ. Also, the ancient Greeks, they didn't experience what we experience, as you've talked about, which is the cold winter classroom. That wouldn't have been part of ancient, you know, as we come back to those prefab huts and our knees knocking together in a math lesson in early, you know, late November or whatever. That wouldn't have been a case.
Speaker 3On the rare occasions it was hot, I found it harder to concentrate then.
Speaker 2Okay, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3So that would be, I would struggle with that.
Speaker 2Each to their own, I suppose. But interesting.
Speaker 3Yes, genuinely fascinating. Played very badly at Fiverside last week. Looked at my watch, which has got the temperature on it. It was 17 degrees. I thought, I'm at my limit. I'm not sure I could do hard man studies, GMVQ, in anything above 17 degrees. I'd just be sweating too much.
Speaker 2I will fight you, but it has to be in the shade.
Speaker 1That's the end of part one of Education. Coming up in part two, gentlemen, we have...
Speaker 3I'll be discussing corporal punishment in British schools.
Speaker 2And I'm going to be talking about the incredible story of school meals here in Britain, how it came about, how it nearly flashed, floundered and disappeared, and also what happened in America.
Speaker 1And there you go. You can get part two right now if you subscribe to the show on Patreon or Apple. Otherwise, we'll see you on Wednesday for that second part.
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