#177 - Mandal

Pa-pa! Welcome everybody to Stavi's World. 904-800-STOV. Call in. We'll solve your problems. We're here on this epic-ass 420, as we all know. It's 420 right now. Legalize it. Yep. What's up? Oh, it's 420? It's 420. Of course, dude. You know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew that. Absolutely knew that. We're recording this at 4 a.m. at 420. Absolutely. And we're putting it out at 6 a.m. on 420. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, I don't know about you, dude. I set, when it's 420, I set the alarm for 12 a.m. And I wake up and I smoke weed and I listen to Sublime all day, dude. That's hard. Yeah. And you know something? I don't smoke weed, but I do that same thing anyway. You just listen to Sublime at midnight? Listen to Sublime. Eat Sublime donuts. They got Sublime donuts up here? No. What are Sublime donuts? In Atlanta, it's a place called Sublime Donuts. Okay. Because I thought it was an L.A. thing. Because they have a, I will give L.A. some credit. They have a great donut. They have a great donut culture in there. Absolutely. I didn't know Atlanta had it, too. That's awesome. The L.A. one is the best one. They have- The Cambodians. Yeah, it's always an ethnic group that's just so good. They nail one thing. You ever seen that documentary about it? No. So it was actually a dude, it was a Cambodian dude who, like, I think, like, refugee who came to California and worked for this donut shop. Hell yes. And then he worked so long that the dude taught him how to buy one. And then, so when people, when he came from Cambodia- Just set him up. He would, like, set him up with donut shops. That's awesome. I love that shit. That's how, like, a lot of, like, Jersey motels, it's Indian families, because they would just, like, live in the three rooms and run the rest of it. And they were like, they would just bring, it's fucking genius. Yeah. Greek people just fucking, we run diners and then we teach no skills to upcoming generations. And then we get into the arts. That's basically how it goes. Greek people really don't have, like, Vietnamese people, apparently it was one lady after Vietnam that showed, like, 20 Vietnamese women how to do nails. Like, one, one, like, rich lady who felt bad for them for being refugees and just, I think she was famous. I don't remember who the fuck, and maybe we even talked about it on this podcast. Have we, Elders? Why am I asking you? You don't, you have no fucking idea. You're so bad at your job. Does that ring any bells to you? Kind of. Didn't we just talk about it recently? No. Who were we talking, well, who's the celeb we said? It was, I think we said the wrong celeb. I think somebody said Marilyn Monroe and it wasn't her. That would be crazy. But it was somebody who was, and God forbid you fucking Google it. It's, what's, it was a Jane Fonda? It wasn't Jane Fonda, because Jane Fonda was out there on the tanks. Jane Fonda was looking awesome, dude. She was like, I'm with the fucking Vietnamese, which I get. Right now, dude, let me not, you know, Mandel's, his career's coming up. I don't want to fucking, I don't want to say how I feel about geopolitics right now. But let's just say, I see where Jane Fonda was coming from. Listen, man, one thing for sure, bro. And when you say Mandel is on the podcast, we started talking about donuts. We'll get back to it. Because I do, we're about to go to Atlanta. We've been to Atlanta. We were just in Atlanta. As we all know, it's 420. But I'm interested about these donuts. Man, thank y'all for having me on the program again. Of course, dude. I'm going to be honest with you. I, I, been on the program twice. Went on the road. Lot of the time. Tickets. Where are people from this program? And, and I'm going to say, I can't eyeball them before they say it. Before they say it. I'm like, I know what you see, man. I think I have a hunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's cool, man. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, bro. I appreciate that. No, we're, we're an incubator for plus size talent here at Stavi's World. Absolutely. You know, that's, that's our vertical. People don't really think about it that way. But across all lines, fat, there, fat identity cuts across all lines. Man, that means so much, much to me, bro. Cause I be in the comic club. I'm like, y'all got to cut the capacity in half, dog. If I'm going to get involved with it. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. That junk is, it's cool, bro. Yeah. You right though, man. We're going to lose this junk to Iran, though. Oh yeah. I don't know if I'm supposed to say that. I know. I know. It is crazy to just be like, I'm rooting for Iran. It's a weird thing, bro. They're the other. It's, it's like we're, it's, you know, March madness just finished up. There are 16 C that's hanging with the one seed right now. You know what I mean? You know, maybe 16 is unfair because we're not a one seed anymore. We're a two seed. So there are 15. But you know, China's definitely the one seed. It's one bracket. Yeah. We'll do this through the, the, the, through college basketball. But you know, it's odd to me though. What's that? When you go on YouTube, every expert is like, Hey man, this is looking bad for the U.S. And I'm like, I know somebody told them. That before the YouTube man knew. No, I don't think they did. No way this information got to me before them. I really don't think they did. They're like, I mean, it's mountains, man. They're like, let's fucking go, dude. Yeah. They're like, yeah, we're going to show them after, you know, people are saying he's getting, he gets a black dominatrix is that. That's his thing that he let the, the drunk security secretary defense. You got, you know, Lindsey Graham being secretly gay. I think they were all kind of hopped up. They're on a, they're on a, they're on a heater. I mean, we've all been there when you think you and your boys can fuck somebody up easily and then you end up getting your ass kicked. I don't think, look, unfortunately, I don't think the great Satan, AKA the U.S. is going to lose in Iran. I think hopefully we get the fuck out of there quick. You know, it's four 20. Hopefully they blow a nice, maybe fucking Trump and the new Ayatollah got a smoke weed on four 20. Okay. Listen, I'm against Pete podcasters having Trump on their show, but if the Ayatollah and Trump will sit down on style of his world and smoke weed, maybe we have to put them on Cush brothers. We'll put that episode behind the paywall. Okay. Cause it's not about views. I'm not cynically inviting Trump and the new Ayatollah on for views. I'm doing it to heal. Cause as we all know, podcasters when they get involved in politics, it always ends up good. It always ends up really good. I thought about that. As I said, my little take there, I was like, man i have such a small knowledge of course i'm basing everything i'm saying off of three videos that's fine dude no literature sometimes it's vibes and the vibes are bad here and i gotta realize bro people gotta process my my position in this world is to just throw stuff of course of course of course you know i'm saying there shouldn't be no yeah yeah no but i feel like don't hold me to account yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah up until you get a big enough audience where you can change the course of things yes a comedian should be able to say the most ridiculous shit of all time unfortunately the world has gotten so bad that there is no other media that has control of anything other than i guess mr beast and like the italian uh ai characters yeah i feel like the fucking little wooden bat and the fuck you know i feel like those characters and i feel like the fucking little wooden bat and the fucking you know i feel like those and pod podcasters are now like you know like fucking uh clark gable or some shit there's just like that like like fucking uh that's just our that's that's our only culture that's our only export is podcasting and ai brain rot characters and can i say something i appreciate about you i'm glad that your the stills on youtube ain't got that big shine on it i hate the big shine on the youtube that's only because elders doesn't know how to do it i'm sure you know what i mean like when you go on like a famous youtuber when you look at the still photo they they got that that ai shine on it oh like that's super yeah yeah like it's lit in a weird way it's artificially lit i'm sure elders would love to do some out of fashion i've personally made a few of those where i really up crank that contrast yeah of course you have yeah of course you have and it is that is your role in the organization is to have someone with the lowest common denominator of taste because you want to have someone with the lowest common denominator of taste would be fucking watching mr if you dude if you were live right now you would be the dumbest person of all time how much you how much you just have just uh supplicated yourself to ai all i think about when i do this podcast when we're picking the clips is what would i chuckle at while i'm taking a shit on the toilet and i let that guide my taste for everything we put out yeah and what's big bright and shiny looking yeah uh you know that's fine we don't have to talk about that you're fucking you're a media uh strategy eldest let's get back these donuts but yeah this but that's a mastermind at work though it's really not mandel i promise you he is not a mastermind at all and he's barely at work it's a middle mind it's a middle mind occasionally working i'm the execs that uh have to you know show the creatives the way you're not an exec you're my uh underling let's let's make that very clear there's a clear hierarchy in this organization with you you're barely in that you're you're just you're in this sweet c-suite because it's a function of we have almost no employees he do get on a collar shirt though he does and by the way every editor that we hire is so much more crucial to our fucking they could learn your job so fast you should be fucking sweating when we get in the office because once i start talking to people who actually have technical ability at this dude you're fucked you're gonna be fucking you're gonna be the janitor thing you office dude you're gonna get a demotion i get under the hood man sometimes the boss has to roll his sleeves up and do the lord boss you're not the boss the manager there we go i'll give you that you are a middle manager that is what you were always meant to do anyway such a zen approach he does no no i do envy eldest is that that's why our that is honestly why our friendship works because if eldest was even a little irritable we're fucked yeah we need to like that's the plus that's the Plus, that's the silver lining that comes with someone who is not reactive at all. Eldest is never ahead of the curve. He's never affected. He will do what he was tasked to do, even if it's stupid. Even if clearly you should pivot, he's never going to do that. But that's positive. For sure. That has its positives. I'm in the cut, man. I'm ready for action. But, you know, never. You're really not, though. You're one of the least ready-for-action guys of all time. But that's because he's above six feet, bro. That's true. When you tall, bro. The very tall, yeah. Any time a tall cat is like, ah, we like, whoa. That's a good point. Put him in the cage. There is actually a type of, obviously, look, I have no sympathy for the tall. I'm with you. They have the easiest lives of all time. We don't say bait. 100%. It is the equivalent. A woman can be hot in like 100 ways. If we're being realistic, tall is the overall, like, trump card. Yeah. In terms of male attractiveness. Because some women just want a giant fucking, you know, homunculus to make them look small and feel small. And let me say this. That junk is rational. Rational. Looking for a tall man. It is rational. Evolutionary, you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, on some, like, on some, like, if we all go in the war. Or protect, yes. You know what I'm saying? If you wanted somebody who could see the. Sure. See above the crowd. Now, you could argue you could get a spear right through your fucking big, big, huge, tall head by being above the crowd. Yeah, but I'm saying, I think that, I think the guns or whatever ain't coming in the DNA. That's something that we built around. Yeah, yeah. The thing. I know what you mean. I think it's purely become symbolic. Okay, fair. Because no chance is eldest who you want. To take you through the fucking forest. Like, eldest is bonking his head on fucking, on branches. He's, he's also, like, tripping easily. It's the bigger they are, the harder they fall. If we're being honest, you want, if we're, now we're just like, if I was a woman in the, in the medieval times, who would I let fuck me? I think I would look for something closer to six feet. Listen, man. I like how the options are R3 bodies. Yeah. No. We aren't even discussing us yet. I would get the leg extension, bro. You would get the leg extension surgery? I would get it, bro. I don't know. I've seen. The recovery's crazy. But once I seen the video of the dude doing a crossover, and he did that big jump. You seen that? I did see that. You know what I'm talking about? I know. The guy with the dredge. Got a dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got up and he did this. Yeah, that's, that was big. I said, nah. That was big. That was big for the leg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For the leg extension community. Because you could argue until then it was about stilt. It looked like they were on stilts. For sure. For sure. And listen, stilt, the recovery's crazy. I'm not denying that. It's like a year. It's like a year of your life. But one year away, bro. One year away. That's true. And now it's do, do, do, do. Yeah. Fly like an eagle. Well, you're not playing. You're never playing hoops. Cutest. Absolutely. The excuse I always had at not being good at basketball was the fact that I'm short. So you think in your mid-30s, you've been fat your whole life, you get bigger shins, it will immediately allow you to do more. It will allow you to play hoops. Yes. Yes. I'm going to the L.A. Fitness immediately. After recovery, I'm going straight to L.A. Fitness. I'm dunking on cats. I'm dunking on cats. I don't know about this plan, dude. I'm crossing somebody up. Did you play? What's the highest stage of organized basketball you played? Rec ball when I was eight. I played eight and nine. Nope, nine, nine. Rec ball at nine and ten years old. Nine and ten. That's just when they start dribbling, right? Because I feel like I've seen. I mean, it's Atlanta. Yeah, true, true, true, true. Cats was dribbling like seven. That's fair. But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, you put that ball in my hand today, it's a lot of, the goal is farther away from me. Sure. I'm 6'1", 6'2". Okay. I'm windmill dunk. You think 6'2". You get windmill at 6'2". What? I'm throwing it off the backboard. Steph, I believe. He's 6'3", right? Steph Curry, one of the greatest athletes of all time. He focused on something different. He's 6'3", and he doesn't dunk that much. He focused on the shooting aspect. I'm going. How old is Steph right now? He's probably 35, 36. 38. Oh, wow. Steph's 38. Okay. So Steph hasn't dunked in, I believe, it's been, I think it was like, see the last time he dunked. I think it was like a couple seasons ago, he dunked in game. And again, that's one of the greatest. That's one of the greatest athletes of all time. And you're how old right now, Mandel? I'm 32. 32. Okay. So you're six years younger. Let's say you have some commitments. Let's say you don't get to the leg lengthening surgery until, I don't know, the end of this year. Yeah. Let's just say top of next year to just be safe, right? So January 27. So January 28, you're fully healed, right? At that point, you would be, that's two years. So you'd be 34. And you have, again, been very fat your whole life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm listening how to beat that. And unathletic. Yeah. And so you would be four years younger than Steph Curry is right now. And Eldis, when was the last time he dunked in game? Last time he dunked was March 2025 against the Sixers. But the time before that was February 21st, 2019. Right. So Steph, when he was your age, was not dunking in the NBA. But you think in two years time, you'd be able to windmill dunk with a leg extension surgery? No. Now, let me, I've got all that information. You thinking as I am with a 5'6 brain. Sure. You don't realize that once I get that 6'2 brain, metabolically, metabolically, I'm going to be in a different place. Okay. Steph chose to use his powers towards shooting. Right, right, right. When I get my new set of powers. Right, right, right, right, right. It's time to jam. Yeah, you're 6'6", right? When's the last time? When's the last time you dunked? I've never dunked in my life. And he uses his power for YouTube. He's not, though. That's another bad example. He's got plenty of power left over. This has never used his whole power at anything in his whole life. I got to conserve the brain power to get these clips off, to get that contrast just right. He's clipping. That's what he uses. He uses them phalanges. He type in trash. All type of stuff. I can reach the Y, the P key with my pen. Pinky over here. That's huge, man. Because think about a proportionate goal right now. Sure. What's this, about seven feet right here? I would say, yeah, let's say it is. I'd do a windmill on this right now. You would dunk on a seven-footer. I could windmill this right now. If you add a foot to me, then I'm doing it on a regular goal. That's eight feet. No, but it's a multiplier. It's a multiplier on the leg strength. Listen, man, I'm with you. I would love to get the leg lengthening. But it's just the, you know, the recovery is too much, you know. One year for y'all. Where you fucked up is you were coveting basketball players growing up. You should have, you didn't play football? No, I played. You got to be a lineman, man. You got to be in the trenches, dude. I was a defensive. Me too. I was a defensive end. Oh, a defensive end. That was a nose tackle. Oh, that's hard. Right there, right in front of the center, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? That's where you fucked up. You're trying to fly. Right now, you're like a, you're a fucking, dude, you're not a sky type. You're a rock type, dude. You're a fucking geo dude, bro. You're trying to be up there. You're trying to limit our scientific advances. You get what I'm saying? Once I get the bread up under me. You would be a marvel if, from now, right? And let's give you the benefit of the doubt. You're getting ready for the surgery. Absolutely. You're probably going to get in the zone. You know, you're going to get your. You're going to die right. Maybe we'll get some, we'll get some steroids going. Yeah. You know, we're going to get some tea going. So you're going to get more. So I, it, it actually would be an incredible art project to dedicate your life to dunking one time. That's what I'm saying. I actually, I have now shifted. And instead of this being a stupid dream for a fat man who, who's coveted height his whole life now as an artist to say, can I transform? Can I? I mean, we talked about the, we like to talk about the metaphorical cocoon here, right? And to come out as a butterfly, you're saying, what if I could really legitimately get into the cocoon? What if you're in your larval stage right now and it's time to get jacked? It's time to get six, two, and that's, we're adding six inches. And think about that. Eight inches. You seen that. You seen that dude on YouTube. I know you'd be on YouTube. That dude with, with, with that, with that pale skin who the agent himself, you know, I'm talking about. Of course. Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson. Yeah. Him. Y'all, y'all know that dude? Yeah. We don't know him personally. No, no. We'd love, Brian, if you're listening, we'd love to have you on. He would love. We'd love to have you on. He drinking his son blood. Yep. Stay live. Of course. We talked about that quite a bit. I think he's not only that, I believe, yeah, he's measuring his cock hardness against his teenage son's cock hardness, which is a wild, wild type of science to be doing, to be putting. I assume it's like a fucking blood pressure cuff that you put around your son's penis and be like, yep, my shit's getting as hard as my son's dick. Now think about this. He aging himself like this. Sure. I don't think it's working, by the way. He looks like shit. He looks bad. He looks kind of just like he's become kind of gay, which is cool, which is a funny thing for a tech guy to look like, but it's the glassiness of his skin that's weird to me. Yeah, the skin is hanging off the skeleton. The skin's not looking good. He's looking kind of gray, too. And maybe that is a tone thing, but he looks unwell. Like he looks, maybe it's all the algae, because he looks a little green. Have you seen what he eats? Yeah, yeah. He eats like a fucking algae smoothie and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks like shit. Maybe it's turning him less, you know, less vital, less. And look, I know Brian's watching this. He's like, these guys are going to die. They're fat as shit. Yeah, yeah. Who are we to judge? I feel like we're setting ourselves up. How old is he? Brian Johnson? He's in his 50s? But yeah, we are definitely, you know. We're setting ourselves up, because they're going to look at us. they gonna look at us and be like we would say that yeah yeah we're haters etc we too fat but that's why i would love to have him on because it's and honestly for that matter somebody like although brian johnson at least is a an adult with a fully formed brain somebody like that kid clavicular i would love to have like a lincoln douglas debate about the way you look at the way you look at yourself versus like we would be the two sides of yeah of like how to live your life because he's like all that matters is your body all that matters is no enjoyment he's sort of like an even more like brian johnson at least has this thing where clearly have you seen a picture of him when he was when he was like because he what was he like paypal or some bullshit or some some tech shit he made a so much money and you look at a picture him back then he just looks like a schlubby shitty engineer in some ways he's doing what you're discussing except for him because he's a fucking you know dork tech dickhead who they have to be they they they have to care about legacy which is like nobody legacy is the dumbest shit of all time one generation you will be forgotten you need to be the greatest of all like you need the greatest of at your thing to get four generations yeah like dude just now people were talking about like um caleb uh what's his face from the bears he wanted to he wanted to trademark the nickname ice man which is something no one's ever called him he did it himself and george gervin is the ice man he's a fucking legendary uh you know one of the fucking coolest players of his generation nobody fucking like uh we're in our 30s we sort of know him we sort of know him from like if you're a hoops fan you you're aware of him nba street all the legend stuff from from 2k that's how you kind of keep in touch kids now don't have any fucking clue and that guy was awesome yeah yeah and that's not that long ago i bet you kids don't know like dr j for example they don't know who the fuck and that's the 70s to now that's 50 years whatever people worry about legacy are fucking idiots you will be forgotten bro there's like eight guys that randomly get remembered and they just got lucky jesus you know julius caesar you know what i mean alexander the great you have to do so much and you honestly to have legacy you kind of have to be a sociopath that's the only the only people we remember from history are people who like fucking killed the most guys essentially anyway clearly that's a guy he he wants to be remembered he wants to still be a scientist but ultimately he didn't want to be fat and he wanted to get pussy that's really what it is for brian johnson so brian johnson at least is like it's a nerd trying to be his version of like he won't admit hot but i bet that has something to do with it he's saying it's health and he knows shit that he has to basically time travel he thinks he's going to be around for 300 years right insane that's i at least can i know where he's coming from these kids this kid that kid clovig is like what 22 he doesn't even know this is how he's always been he's never enjoyed he's like this kid fucking smashes he's 20 jesus christ he's some kid who talks about like you you have to look a certain way you have to like he's the kid talking about looks maxing and all this other shit and he's like i don't know what he's doing he's like i don't know what he's doing and i think he's just honestly an autistic kid whose uh obsession is like looking good but they have no joy in their lives yeah they don't know what it's like to eat to get fucking high and eat a pastry on a sunday at 3 p.m after you've just spent the evening with a woman who doesn't respect you but has huge tits they don't they don't know how beautiful a day like that is watching a movie on your fucking tea watching fucking throwing on i don't know cobra for example yeah throwing cobra on it an airbnb you know what i mean ordering pizza getting some eating some pussy even though it'll give you cervical cancer apparently or you get cancer through the cervix or whatever the fuck michael douglas style they don't know that's the beauty of life is you have to do things that will destroy you all the most beautiful things in life will destroy you and and you know so anyway i would love to have him on yeah uh and but that's my opposing philosophy is like then you're not even living with him you're not even living with him you're not even living if all you're doing is fucking you're in a fucking pod at 7 p.m because it's optimal to sleep from 7 to 4 a.m and from fucking four to fucking five your red light therapy or whatever and listen could i stand to adopt a little more of that style of life sure yeah that's not what we're talking about here everybody's like staves a fat piece of shit i'm just saying not what what happened to fucking the enjoyment meter you know what i mean why isn't that part of like why why why isn't anybody trying to have a good time that's what i don't fucking get so anyway yeah i would love to have brian johnson on here and yes some will say we're being haters but we're not i think we're gentlemen that like you know sure we have prop we have our issues but we we enjoy we're enjoying ourselves or we're trying to anyway yeah i agree i think i think that i think that definitely it's you gotta have some balance like i definitely think like you said i could pick up a salad a little more yeah yeah yeah yeah then i do you could do a little you could if your goal is to dunk instead of thinking about this maybe you could do a little you know i could get a push-up in every now and then yeah yeah yeah you know a little sit-up in there but i i do think yeah you you can't be obsessed with trying to uh make things in your control that's not that's a great way to look at it we have control over almost nothing yeah yeah um you could try your best but you know i think it can get obsessive you know yeah you can't obsess so and it ultimately if we want to get philosophical body even you are you the body are you a different essence i think probably whatever your soul whatever the fuck i think it's probably brain but there's an argument to be made that it's maybe it's not the brain i mean just some kind of fucking you're a ghost and in your body is the body really what you are that's the thing about some like these young kids it's like they just decided it's time to just purely objectify yourself i guess that's the fucking this is the logical conclusion to this much fucking growing up with consumerism and like all you know and and and trying to get attention but it's like you used to get attention to try and to get people to fuck you that's the that's the that's the beauty that maybe that's what maybe we've gotten to what what has what has alarmed me about these guys the most yeah is we have now completely taken that away and to me that's that's what has connected humanity from i bet you the first time a motherfucker drew on a cat cave in like prehistoric france to you know me doing comedy whatever and to every mozart fucking guitar players dancers rappers fucking even athletes whatever businessmen for that matter everything everything has been done to get to for almost like to improve your uh sexual currency and these guys now have taken that out it doesn't seem like they like to get pussy well it seems like they want other dudes to say they're fucking hot yeah you know what i mean yeah i feel like we commodify maybe they're gay which is fine if they were gay i would i would respect it so much more yeah but i don't think they are yeah i think they just but yes yes attention i think they commodified attention i think that it was a thing i think now it's like you you have a numeric value on how much attention you have that's a good point i think that and i think that what happened was now yeah people people are consistently trying to win that as a game of some sort yeah and the biggest thing i noticed was that with the youtube or even with putting out content where i kind of struggle with in my in my own career is that eventually you run out of stuff like you're a person that runs out of things yeah and i've noticed whenever somebody runs out of thing they start reaching yeah and eventually when you reach long enough you go find some trash yeah absolutely like i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure uh health man what's my man name brian johnson i'm pretty sure he done he done gave us all the information he could probably six months ago i believe i mean i think he's really pivoted to he had like a you know the girl was fine looking a cute goth girlfriend that was much not even goth i think she just was a brunette but there was like a couple months ago he just he did like eat taco bell like he pivoted to oh now i'm doing bad stuff now and then he started doing like mushrooms and shit which is at least interesting but yes yeah eventually he you're right you run out of something and yes people you can't keep going to that well when it's empty it's fucking embarrassing and i think bro i think i think like we become a little insatiable with the intention like we never have enough it's always another thing that you could get and so i think the only way to curb that is releasing yourself from that yeah desire oh yes but i think that you're speaking my language but if you came up as a person where that was in the zeitgeist to always search for that in some capacity you kind of just stuck in a loop yeah yeah i think this would be i think a lot of young people bestowed upon something but they grew up in it yeah where at least in our age bracket we have some reality before that sure sure but if that's your entire thing you could that's all you know i think we all grew up in this sort of like consumerism the like dark side of the capitalist shit is that you just got to keep making money no matter what you can't just you can't just like have a profitable business yeah and just like oh i pay my bills this is great the whole idea of getting more and more you have to destroy your enemies and you have to fucking you have to be the only business and uh you know and like at least and and the internet has just supercharged that completely because you're right i think you nailed it when you said they gotta make they want to make a number or they want to be you you have to you have to assign numeric value to things that are just ethereal right even looks even trying to be like you'll see these fucking insane people yeah they'll put a picture of maybe the hottest woman you've ever seen in the world and they'll be like 6.2 uh philtrum is uh degraded you know what i mean like they know about parts of the body that no no human being that's not how beauty should be judged right beauty should be a fucking ethereal thing that hits you in a certain way and if and you start acting a little strange because you see something beautiful you know what i mean it affects your chemical it does maybe it is chemical on some level but i don't want to understand that i want to fucking i want to exist in poetry i want to feel bro yeah i don't want it i don't want to just in the technical manual i want to exist in a poem i learned that through i learned that through trying to get a little healthier i lost a little weight right and i feel like when i first was i was looking at all them people on youtube and then eventually you learn just eat the salad like it's really yeah you can get into the nitty gritty of it but it could be not no burger no vegetable yes it's even you know what's pathetic what's pathetic is it's even simpler than that sometimes it's like don't eat the fries yeah yeah you know what get the burger yeah get the burger and eat a fucking apple and it's like just because this this month i've been so fucking busy that i haven't been able to cook for myself at all and i've been ordering out a lot but it hasn't been and it's not great but in the past if i ordered out for a month straight i would gain 10 pounds no matter what but i've just been getting like chicken and fucking rice and something like that and i've been a fucking veggie on the side or some shit but yeah it is very simple yeah i think i think that we i'm telling you i think that everybody just got to make peace with you they are it's enough yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you did it totally dude and i think there's so much of uh i feel like i feel like once we start making i think we have to get back to having finding value in the things that we do every day instead of the result yeah yeah yeah because i think yeah yeah because i think that if you go if you're like hey i gotta get the number you'll never have enough of that no no no you know but you even in comedy like you can always get bigger and bigger venues but if you kind of put more of the self-esteem in and like i am doing a good product for these in the art in the yeah for sure this is i feel like that's more fulfilling you know i'm saying you're 100 right it's the classic the journey is more important than the thing which i've been thinking about a lot obviously that's sort of my fucking i mean what you're talking about is where what i've been struggling with and trying to figure out how to do it and i've been thinking about it for a long time um but you know yeah day-to-day enjoyment in what you do is fucking crucial it is funny when people say that about they're like it's about the journey not the destination and they'll use the odyssey as a as an example but i i've read the i've been reading the odyssey just the nolan movies got got me pumped so i've been reading i read a couple different versions of it and it's funny when they use that example because the odyssey is maybe the only one where that's not true the whole odyssey is the destination the entire he wasn't having he didn't learn on the journey he was being a fucking asshole and cheating on his fucking wife and and killing you know and fucking with uh cyclopses but that's a little that's my classics take we've gotten the philosophy and classical literature yeah um but i will say this though yeah the randy's donuts is very good yeah let's get back to the i did so randy's donuts in la it i have had it remember dude remember after the la special eldest that was one of the best days of our lives dude we we have to do something after the baltimore special which is in four days as we all know it is 4 20 after all um but we had a great day where we got a bunch it might have been randy's donuts and we got a fucking it's me george me eldest and our pal straight george uh and me and eldest did a bunch of fucking mushrooms was it mushrooms or acid uh we did shrooms we did shrooms and george drove us around in a fucking car while we're eating donuts and going to different la places that's one of the best days yeah yeah i think i definitely think that the um are you a donuts guy overall i am yeah i'm right they're so good i i stepped away from donuts for years and then man the donut and coffee move it's good it's a classic for a reason dude and i'm gonna say a reason it's a pretty it's such a simple idea for something to taste good we're gonna take some bread and we're gonna dip it in sugar we're gonna fry it first yeah yeah yeah we're not baking this bullshit we're gonna fry it dip it in sugar it's like hey man this is a that's awesome like this is this is delicious and it's negative yeah you're right it's certainly sinful you like dang bro like this is all the things that could be bad you did turn something pure in a way to feed yourself yeah into a symbol yeah there's no nutritional value no no certainly not no certainly not yeah in your hierarchy of desserts where is that where do donuts wow whoa yeah this is how we now we're getting the real stuff um enough about the ceaseless the emptiness of ceaseless success through capitalism let's get to the fact let's get to the point where media is yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly let's get to the brass tacks what is your your dessert hierarchy okay so i i feel like honestly i'm a big donut guy but respect i wouldn't say cakes over donuts you wouldn't you wouldn't great but i would say red velvet cake is my favorite dessert really a good red velvet cake really eldest is shaking his head in approval here i don't know that i agree i i don't i don't quite approve that okay i'm a little surprised i'm a little surprised whenever anyone says red velvet now i now here's where we want to plunge into this very upset about red velvet so i'm gonna say red velvet cake is my favorite dessert i'm gonna say red velvet cake well can you can you can you make the case because i'll be honest with you to me red velvet is a classic just mid-tier cake okay i want to leave the podcast i don't want to do this for you listen let me say this i do think that people who say that have not had a good red that's fair and i will say we have a very hilarious something hilarious in our life happened where a friend of ours growing up he's people don't know him he's not a we have not made him a character in any way on the pod just because he's a friend of ours growing up he's a friend of ours growing up just a guy growing up in greek town one time he thought he was shitting blood but he ate a whole he went to the fucking er and they were like there is this is a level of like we have fat guys you guys don't even know about we haven't told you we me and l just grew up around the type of fat guy that it's he's that's the fact they would blow your minds if we describe the level of obese that we grew up around this guy was so fucking fat he ate a whole red velvet cake shit what he thought was blood was rushed to the emergency room people like he's gonna fucking die he's got colon cancer and the doctors were like they had to get like dr house in there they're like we've never seen this much blood they got their expert and they're like what did you eat and they were like and he was in there and like he was like oh not much and then they're like and then eventually i got cake and like oh what kind of cake like red velvet they're like oh okay but you must have like a slice usually he's like no i ate an entire red velvet cake and they're like get the fuck out of you fat like i'm i'm certain i wasn't there obviously i'm certain in that moment he had to experience fat phobia i think the doctors must have been like you fat cocksucker you just you just fucking used all our resources for two hours while we're trying to figure out where this blood is coming from because imagine looking at the red velvet boo-boo like and it didn't even dawn on it this is so fat and stupid by the way that it didn't even dawn on him might be part of it yeah yeah yeah he wasn't like any because i've i've had some atrocious shits and And I'm like, nah, that's, I deserve that. That's, I ate my way to that type of dump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway. It's got to go somewhere. Now, here's the thing, man. Let's talk about Red Velvet. Let's get into this, okay? Yeah. My hunch is that there is, you have an emotional connection to Red Velvet. You lost me. You really don't think so? It wasn't like a thing you ate growing up? I think Red Velvet is the best cake flavor. It's just chocolate with dyes. It's not, it's not. Why do people say that? It's not. It's never been chocolate. People always say it's chocolate. It's not chocolate. Y'all have tasted chocolate cake. It's not chocolate. What is it? It's just, it's a different. It has cocoa in it. Cocoa in it. But people, people. Tell me what, fine, do a little research for fuck's sake. People are so like, people so busy on, on, on boxing it in. Sure. People are like, oh, it got cocoa in it, it's got to be chocolate. Relax. I'm with you there. People, people are all type of things. Cakes are all type of varieties. Well, what would you discuss? What would you describe the flavor profile of Red Velvet? It is. Because I'm having a hard time coming up with anything unique to Red Velvet. It has cocoa essence with cream cheese icing. It's the cream cheese that does it for you. It's killing it. So the fact that it's a more subtle chocolate varietal with a cream cheese icing. Yes. Okay. And here's the thing about Red Velvet. Red Velvet is, you can't make it bad. You can. So like, great example. You could get a good chocolate cake, a good birthday cake down at the, at the fart factory. If you need to. Sure, sure. Sheet. We have one thing America has done very well is we have perfected sheet cake, birthday sheet cake technology. You go to Costco, get you a sheet cake. That's good shit. But if you get into pound cake, German chocolate, Red Velvet, that's when you're going to have to have a craftsman involved. I agree with you there. And I think that what happened is people have been so overexposed to poorly made Red Velvet that they have allowed, to shade their opinion over the food. Sure. But we got to remain open-minded. I'm open-minded. If I'm anything, it's open-minded to cake. If we're anything on this podcast. Matter of fact, let me know when you next time you're going to Atlanta. I bet. We're going, yeah, we'll be there. I need to know. I'll go wherever you send me. Okay. Go to this place called Sammy Cheesecake. Sammy Cheesecake. It's a cheesecake place. I'm listening. But they got a Red Velvet. I love this. This is like, this is like a fat speakeasy where you're like, no, you're going to go to, you're going to go to a Sammy Cheesecake place. But they have, but because, because of the cheesecake, the cheesecake icing's next level. And I'm assuming. I'm going to be honest. I didn't put that together until you just said it. I think that's probably what it is. I'm just guessing here. You go down to Sammy Cheesecake, get, get it with the pecans in it. Don't get it without the pecans. Ooh, okay. Get that sliced. Get it with the pecans. Now I'm starting to think this is a cultural thing. In Atlanta. I'm starting to think black people, black people must do Red Velvet in a way that has not crossed over. And I'm, I'm open to that reality. That must be what it is. I'm open to that reality. Because you're talking to guys who know cakes here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and maybe, and Baltimore, I don't, it was never really a thing. Maybe it's a Southern, Southern black thing might be the best Red Velvet. That, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty sure that could play a piece in it. That has to, that has, and I do like what you're saying though, where people, that you will at least admit that the average is a higher degree of difficulty cake. Totally. So that. Because what people see most of the time is a mid, the mid version of a Red Velvet cake is bad in my opinion. But you're saying judge it on the top level. Because here's my thing. I'm judging it based on people's best selves. And I respect that. And I think that the best Red Velvet is leaps and bounds better than the best chocolate. Now this is interesting. I think that. I think that if you go with a double chocolate cake and you gave me a Red Velvet, I guarantee we go blindfold test. Straight flavor palette, the Red Velvet is the best one. I like this. What we have to do, we have to figure something out during the holidays. And we have to have a, like a tournament of cakes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to have. Set it up. And it will be, fuck, we might have to do all fat, fat November or fat December. And we might, cause we got some between the whole fat house crew. We get Mandel. We get fucking, are you garbage? We get. I'm with this. We, we get, uh, we get, uh, Gabriel. We, we, we need to get some fat lady representation as well. You know what I think we should do? What's that? We should do this either before or after. I think we should do a national comedian weight loss competition. You know Reggie Conquest? I love Reggie. Me and Reggie been talking about doing this for like a year. I love Reggie. But we should gather up a bunch of comedians and have like a big, like. We, we, so I am, I am really thinking about, uh, and we don't want to, you know, I don't want to talk out of turn. A little bit, but let's just say Stavi gets ripped the series I've been doing for a while. Yeah. We're thinking about adding some wrinkles to it. And I think getting some other comics involved. Yeah. Could really help. So this is good. No, no. I, I think we need to figure something out about right around the holidays. We need to have a consecutive, uh, four fat, four weeks of fat guests. And I think we need to judge cakes every week. I think, I think we need to do, and we're basically just stealing something from dough boys. This feels like. This feels like what dough boys would do. They just had, are you familiar with the dough boys podcast? I've heard of it. You'd be great. We, you got to get on it. I got to talk because you know, I'm trying to get, because basically what we're talking about is this is an Avengers type thing for fat podcasters. We might have to do it across like five different podcasts. We might have to join. We might have to do the like bandana red and blue guy holding it to talk cakes because to me, and I would like each fat podcast to bring one dessert. And we, you were judged solely by what you bring and that way we take, because there is a philosophical divide between the best, the best, uh, like the best available thing, like the average thing versus the best of the best. Yeah. There is a philosophical, whenever you're, whenever you're like fruits is a great example. When you're ranking fruits, the best blackberry is incredible, but most blackberries suck dick. You almost never get them ripe. Yeah. Mango the same. The best mango may be the best thing of all time, but when you get a hard, weird mango, that's fucking sucks. Whereas a banana is never above a B, but pretty much every banana that's yellow tastes the same. So there's a, there's a apples to an apple. If an apple is your favorite fruit, you're a fucking asshole. But a random apple is probably good. Yeah. Probably solid, but I'm never, those are never what you gravitate towards. So this is good on four 20, you know, we're all high as fuck. We got the munchies. That's why we're talking cakes. We're talking cakes on four 20. We hatched the idea for the fat, fat comedians. Well, you got to come up with a better name, but the tournament of cakes. I need an acronym. We do need a, yeah. Tournament of cakes is T O C. Not that. Not great. We got to work on the act. Yeah. We need an old school, like a mid two thousands rap acronym. You know how they really were forcing them for years. My favorite. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, with a gay, my favorite is chic. Remember chic elders? The dip set was really reaching for chic. What was it? Swag. Oh, I can't remember. Do you remember what chic was? Look up the Jewel Santana chic, but I will say this. We do need to get this done before I get my leg surgery. Cause that's true. Cause when I, cause when I get that, I am turning my back on y'all. Of course. Of course. I am turning my back. This will be the final. Yeah. Yeah. I'm turning into Brian. Yeah. I get a leg surgery. I'm like, y'all put them burgers down. Y'all stop killing y'all. Oh yeah. Dude. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait to fuck it, to go through the fucking Marvel. I'm going to just find who the Marvel doctor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not cat. I'm never going to be in a Marvel movie, but I'm just going to get the transformation. Yeah. Cause I, listen, I'm mocking you about your leg surgery. Yeah. But I have, I'm dreaming the same dreams. It's just minor, much more steroid, steroid based. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Where it's like, ah, look, I'm not, I have, I hurt my back and I'll probably be dealing with this all year. And the idea of recovery for a surgery. That's like worse than this. I'm never doing it. But the idea of doing some fucking steroids or peptide rich people's going to be doing peptides. Now I'm doing all, I'm figuring all the secret rich guy stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm figuring it all out. Okay. But you know something though, this does make us hypocrites. Cause we did just talk about being enough. Right. And now we're trying to get. Well, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. There is nothing. That's another, that's the flip side. Cause sometimes the fat, the fat activist stuff goes way too far. It's one thing to accept yourself for who you are, which is important, but let's, uh, this is, I think we've done this before where it's like, all right, everybody, everybody who's not fat, stop listening for a minute. Okay. It's just us fat guys now. And gals, we should lose a couple pounds, right? Yeah. We all need to be honest with ourselves. We should all, we've done this before. It might've been on an episode you were on, but, but it's important to accept who you are, where you are, but also it's fine to want to change and improve yourself. That's the thing that pisses me off is like, why is it have to be, you're smashing your fucking face with hammers to get your bone structure, right? Or you're the fattest guy of all time. We can't go upstairs. And now, and now every, everyone has to, and listen, if you're legitimately disabled and that's you and that's fine, people should have to fucking make your life, not a living hell. But if you're just a guy like us, who's, who's, who's had a couple to who's hit Sammy's cheesecake a little too often. We got to be honest with ourselves here, man. Yeah. don't want to get set uh we don't want to get obsessed with black and white thinking man sure have some nuance there's some nuance you can lose some weight while not also trying to you know never die of course of course of course of course i think it's a little middle wow but i'm pretty sure everybody involved knows these things too that's what i'm saying it's about the attention is i think all of it is people have found value and attention from the internet so you gotta be as extreme as possible that's fair now let's before we get to the questions let's finish up so red velvet is number one to you i was about to ask what's your favorite cake okay i was maybe this is similar because i because i'm going to say i like a bread pudding as my number one but very and and and now i'm understanding where you're where you're coming from because yes a random bread pudding is is bad even though i like it you give me some bullshit with raisins it's not set the right way but the fucking best bread pudding to me it's just my favorite because because of the breadiness to it and you gotta have it's gotta have chocolate and it's gotta be paired with a fucking ice cream okay it's gotta go a la mode right yeah don't even fucking look at me if you're having your favorite dessert it's not a la mode i'm in my mode if i'm a la mode yeah yeah yeah if you're not putting a fucking scoop of the finest vanilla yeah and it should be vanilla i'm free so that it can like make whatever sing yeah right yeah the ice cream shouldn't should be a it's a role player it's setting picks it's rebounding so that your main dessert can dunk right wow that's how i see the ala mode ice it works for apple pie it works for fucking cakes i didn't put pies in the mix pies are pretty good pies are pretty good to me pie is probably but what pie i'm a big i'm a basic bro i like an apple apple's good yeah another apple ala mode apple pie ala mode is incredible yeah especially the when the when the fucking shit's a little crunchy come on man and you feel like you're eating fruit go crust heavy crust heavy and you get me a springy apple not a mushy ass apple listen i'll take it either way by the way but i like a yeah if you want to get into the science of it i hate to say it bro grab them two apple pies at mcdonald's put them in the mid flurry with no you that's a whole other fuck the tournament the dessert tournament yeah i didn't did the science the dessert tournament is we there's two levels to it there's the absolute best bakery and then there's gas what can you do at a gas station yeah what can you do at a fast food restaurant what can you do at a fuck just you know and then like grab bag like you know we drop you within a fucking that's that's fun too it's like there's different what can you do with a machine what can you get done you know what i mean like they're prison rules almost when you see those videos of guys making fucking chimichangas with doritos and fucking dog food somehow you're like how do they do they put this guy in fucking the culinary my favorite video was somebody doing the incarcerated birthday cake hell yeah and they like smashed some twinkies and made some layers and i was like man it's crazy man people are really resourceful absolutely the human spirit and creativity in fact that to me is so that is more artful to me than almost every type of online content yeah i would rather watch i would see the pet the pathos and the fucking the heart that goes into these guys in jail they just want their friend to have a nice birthday yeah they're doing their best absolutely you know what i mean they don't want to be here just dudes eating fucking smashed up twinkies but for an hour it's like you're fucking at home with your with your family and that's beautiful and that is more that the the artistic value of the of jail food is so much more powerful than a lot of people who make their living making art to be honest with you yeah um this is great this has been a very philosophy heavy first part yeah which i love sometimes people got to see how we think on this fucking beautiful program but it's time to help the people eldest so why don't you fucking play us a couple uh a couple fucking calls stavi eldest esteemed guest um got a weird happy to have that's not that weird all right so here's what's up um my daughter is 15 she's pretty cool she's got like good politics believes in uh you know labor rights not a racist good things she's in art school uh all around a cool kid um very empathetic and uh cares deeply about her friends that's so much so that when she found out that one of her friends uh was vaping in the bathroom at school she was really bothered by this because she knows that vaping is for losers um unless you're using it to quit nicotine in which case good on you but you know 15 year old should not necessarily be vaping and uh she wants to help her friend uh so she's torn she doesn't want to she wants to know how to go about reporting her friend to the uh principals or whatever so that she gets caught or gets in trouble and then she's in trouble or something and i didn't raise no snitch and i'm a little jesus i got bothered by the fact that she's doing some cop-like behavior yeah um it's a big problem you should just bully her friend and tease her relentlessly for vaping uh and maybe that'll work but uh she wants to be a fucking tattletale and i don't love that so that's a quick question what do you do if your kid is trying to be a snitch um thank you very much this is tough bye because without question i would rather have the kid vaping than the kid trying to figure out how to report her friend what you're dude you raised a fucking dork and that's okay you because we can you can de-dork someone and they start from that i think that's that's fine but man this is a big moment this is a big parenting moment i definitely think it i think you has got to take the approach of preaching the truth loyalty between the friendship yeah you know i'm saying yeah yeah yeah like that has more value yes than uh whatever the rule that she's trying to enforce you know i'm saying sure and it isn't he's in an interesting spot here because you risk this his kid clearly and the funny thing is about 15 year olds is like they're really like 10 year olds like mentally they're just like little ass kids it's actually kind of cute when you see someone like like even all the way through even like first year of college you have people who like are growing and you see them like you like you'll you'll have like i have like a little cousin who's like he's kind of like a dude right like they're in fucking they're in high school like him and his little sisters and you know they fuck he looks like a fuck like at first glance if you're not paying attention like oh yeah that's like a grown uh you know grown a grown person whatever a young adult and then you fucking talk to them and it's like they're fucking like they're like they're little ass they're dumb babies yeah right yeah it's a fun like god bless whoever teaches like middle school and fucking and in high school that's such a weird crazy thing to do uh so this so you risk i think what's happening is your daughter is kind of running on middle to elementary school programming right now she's a little sheltered this kind of happened to me i remember when i had a friend who was trying to get pussy when we were 15 and i was like oh what girls let oh that'd be all and you know he throws like a party and i'm a fucking loser because i'm it's like you it's like you're a little kid who doesn't understand it's even possible for you to fuck because we just were we just lived like chills like i mean you could argue to this day i live like a little boy like i just have a big ass tv me and my friend talk shit that's our job you know what i mean so it's like he could by being like you know it's not really a big deal if your friend vapes he could destroy he could turn his kid into being like does anything matter and now she's getting fucked up and now she's going hard the other way so it is a delicate spot absolutely because i think you could definitely you definitely don't want to uh invalidate the the seriousness of the infraction to her but i do yeah because it's kind of cute that her his daughter is 15 and thinks it's crazy it's crazy that her friend is vaping it's like you're 15 you fucking dork that is the age trying to do drugs you're trying to drink you're trying to do all this shit but i think as you get older you do realize how much value it is in community and and your relationships beyond the things that are set upon us like what we're supposed to do what we're not supposed to do and so i think and all that stuff's fake by the way like like the idea that the the we actually have or live in a society of rules is completely fake there's no justice there's no like i think this is a good moment for her to realize what you're saying where what matters is the actual bonds you make with people the real the like loyalty the knowing that you can have their back because she his daughter is now operating in a world where well somebody's doing something wrong you go to authority who is infallible who knows everything and will fix the situation and this is a good moment to teach your daughter that like her principal is probably a fucking idiot you know what i mean authority is more often than not fucking stupid right like they and what's what's important here or not not fucking stupid but not necessarily knows how to deal with things and what's important here is to let her know like no look your friend might be vaping she might be going through something it might might be a phase it might not be she might she might smoke her whole life she might not uh but this is your friend who you need to be there for and you also need to be like just talk to her about it bullying making fun of her for smoking is one thing like whatever but it's just like you just have to let them know that uh you just what's way more important is to be there for your friend because look right now it's vaping which is kind of under control but there might be a time where she they get in over their head and it's like now's not the time to go to authority i guess is maybe what i would say is that this is a really low level infraction and you also need to tell your daughter she has to deal with things herself this is a great opportunity to find this out because the stakes are low yeah and i think and i think there's nothing wrong with actually learning how to communicate concern to a friend sure sure directly and having value in that it doesn't need to be that's fair beyond beyond the two people it's like hey isn't this person important to me and i think that this is damaging to you yeah and communicating that rather than trying to export the responsibility outside of themselves yeah that's fair now you go back and you think about being 15 oh totally yeah you're like and you're like you just want to stop you just want to stop but it's also like how do you not see that go like i'm trying to think about being 15 and like telling a teacher on like an eldest i mean that to me that's there the bigger problem is that this is even in your kids thinking i i mean like this is kind of insane where it's like maybe it's she's so scared of it like it'd be like if eldest was doing heroin to me right right where i'm like i need to have an intervention but she's just fucking vaping so it's like and it's it's also cute that she told her parents but it's like this is a trusting individual but i think this is a definitely a sign of some level of trust in her parents i think this is a sign of some level of trust in her parents of solid moral compass yeah for sure they just be um that's a good point misguided and misguided in execution you know that's a really good point because she's not wrong but her knee-jerk reaction is wrong is to snitch and to go to authority and i think there's a two-fold lesson here which is like it's better to just handle things within your group within your community on some level than to go outside unless it's a really big problem and then you're like hey you should probably save you might never need to go to like authority or whatever but it's like this should be when your friend is in like serious danger and right now just being a kid and you could even say like hey i don't want you to vape but you need to kind of going forward you need to know the difference between something where we have to call in somebody and it is where you just have to talk to your friend and and there is value in saying that and by the way being the kind of 15 year old can be like i don't think this is good for you man that's good that's important but i also think on some level it's like what's your friends are going to start drinking soon if they haven't already they're going to start smoking weed they're going to start having sex like and you could i think really the message is look you be whoever you want to be you do safe stuff do you like this stuff is crazy and that's important and i'm proud of you for feeling that way but you also have to understand you can't change the way your friends behave all you can do is be there for them and if they're in really serious danger then we can talk about it but this is not what we're going to do so i'm going to one of those situations yeah and and and then and then to say to her as the parent and if you're ever in serious probably if you're ever struggling with anything you can talk to me that's the the really biggest positive here is that she clearly feels comfortable like telling you about this and i think that's the main thing you want to that's a hard thing to do that's you should be proud that your kid actually wants to talk because like i would never in a million years think i could go first of all i would be like nice let's do drugs you know like i was hiding i was actively hiding drug use at this age from my parents uh and so it's cute but you know that's what i would say yeah it's like you got to handle some shit on your own and all you can do there all you can do is be there for your friends and if they're in serious trouble talk to me we can handle it we can figure it out and if you're ever in serious trouble in any you can always come to me but you need to start learning that like we can't really trust who's in charge you know your friend better than your fucking principal does you know what i mean and and you made the best point that it is cool that he has that relationship where she will come to him with anything yeah you know i'm saying yeah i think that's that's something everybody doesn't have totally damn that's so funny what was the crew looking like at 15 what were you up to 15 vapes weren't out back then i wasn't vaping i was i was i was kind of a little bit on that i was like i ain't do nothing i ain't do no no activities i ain't smoke nothing oh yeah yeah yeah i didn't see that i was one of them you're like how you guys you got it yeah you're you're telling people you need to go to church to save their souls i was definitely like dang y'all y'all not studying i had some of that in me you know for sure the sour grapes for not being at the parties what y'all doing i was one i definitely but you know when you start when you try to be judgment man at the age of 15 you're like i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna you really just trying to protect your own that's fully what it is yeah you're trying to create some image of yourself to protect your own yeah insecurity oh i could be getting pussy and smoking weed yeah yeah i don't want to because it's bad for me yeah yeah and you guys should be doing that you should be hitting the books yeah yeah yeah not having an awesome weekend yeah not fucking trying pills a bunch of that definitely trying to be like that's what y'all doing i mean that's a classic move of like that's another place where they're like fat and the like that's why fat fatness has so much like cross uh community like we relate to a lot of different people because i think that's the kind of behavior you also get from like closeted people who are like who are like oh god this is guys we need to be focused and we need to and of course i'd love to fuck cindy she's so hot but um i can't have premarital sex and neither should you it's like there's a little bit of the like hiding being either a loser or hiding that identity you're uncomfortable with through the rules and that's that's a big problem it doesn't your your your kid just sounds like a little bit of a goody two-shoes and that's fine that's kind of cute and good for you congratulations next question eldest hey stuff first time long time i'll jump right into it i've been dating a girl for about five months and the problem i'm having is she busts hardest when she's riding now that's not necessarily a problem but the problem is she rides aggressively compound to that she wants me to grab her hip and slam me her down on me when she's fucking me as hard as possible adding to that she does this little hip flick at the end okay i swear to god it hurts like nothing right it feels like she's about to snap my dick off i'm trying different things like adjusting angle i tried moving my hips up try putting my legs up to try and fix that doing a bridge no no get those down i'm coming in for the the thunder yeah so where i'm at is she's a self-conscious person i don't want to ruin her favorite position sure how do i bring this up to her without hurting her feelings and keeping my member intact additionally i come the hardest when i fuck her in the ass don't try don't try and sneak that in there he's got he's got a fucking treatise on every angle that this girl is like and by the way i like to fuck her in the ass i come the hardest that's crazy and for you to try for you to try and make an equivalence of a woman riding you and you fucking her ass that's just buddy that's apples and oranges i i hate to break i do like i'll be i do like that he's linking it with a pain he's like she's hurting my dick yeah i'll hurt her ass a little that's how we get off where's the middle ground brother this ain't not this is not a fair trade okay let's start there go mandel you have some thoughts well i and my thoughts is probably around the thing sure sure no no please go ahead i have you ever had someone where you had a follow-up where you where you answer the thing and then you hear their response from their part the other person talking about hearing the hearing it on the podcast a couple times people have called in together but we've never had that's true we've never had like a different maybe there's been one thing i'm not thinking of where somebody called in to sort of defend themselves but but more so we get them responding we don't really get like we'll never we've never gotten for example the girlfriend's perspective here uh no which i would be fascinated by my dream is to actually be able to one of the first versions of this show was almost like a judge show where everybody comes and gives me their take and i would love to do some version of that i don't want to swagger jack miss pat right now she's got miss pat settles it and i would be doing i would kind of be stealing her whole thing to be if i'm being honest uh so i'm gonna let that she does it until she wants maybe it's like family feud where it's like i can take over miss pat settles it it could be stavi settles it i could be the next i could be the next host of bet's stavi settles it and it's everything's the same it's just me that would be fucking awesome man you should come up with a greek tv channel yeah yeah yeah gt i wouldn't want to fucking deal with all those that's too many greeks for me man there's only a couple good ones um now this guy but which i would love to get this girl's take now uh let's i guess should we discuss the fact that he comes the hardest when he fucks i mean that's kind of nuts that's kind of crazy also we mean the hardest we're not listen that's the thing about dudes let's be very clear sure there's things you like more than others but it's like a guy busts the same whether he's fucking you know unless you're staying and you're doing tantric sex for 10 hours or whatever but it's like you don't come hard women come harder men come the same let's be fucking honest honest you just like fucking you just like butt fucking and that's fine no there's no judgment here i just don't appreciate it you trying to pretend that these two things are the same and i've been there i know when i ultimately think you kind of have to take one for the team here if this is how she busts and we're probably talking about in a total and look is it how painful is it i don't know i've had to be like you know i have a fucked up penis famously i've discussed that i've had to be like hey chill uh getting a spam phone call i've had to pause and be like whoa i need a little breather for my fucked up dick but i've gotten right back in the zone and ultimately i think the fact that you have a key to your girl busting is more than most many would kill to be in your position the fact that you know your girl can bust in a certain way i think you just need to tell her hey sometimes it fucking but you have the you have what you need you just have to discuss don't be afraid to just share something if she's self-conscious that's one thing you're like hey this is awesome can we you know can we just figure a couple things out here um because i'm sure you can find a middle way if you're just a little vocal if it's not all or nothing i bet there's some pelvic bracing that could go on for this guy that's not the full-on bridge where she's still in the same position but he's like you know maybe you need a pillow under your hips for a change you know what i mean some like maybe we need a specific ergonomic fuck pillow maybe your dick's not hard enough pal i hate that let's be honest let's call let's let's really fucking you know uh let's throw our cards out on the table what the fuck is the expression whatever uh uh it's a pause because listen i know that if my dick's not very hard it it really shows itself when i'm being ridden for example there's no way to you can kind of finesse a wiggly penis when you're on top but when somebody else is making use of your penis as a tool maybe your dick's not hard enough and can we do something there can we blood flow can we get our vascularity better um and then look at you if the fact that you like anal sex is just a different conversation so let's not put these two together when you talk to her about this don't propose a trade where it's like hey um you get to bust and i get to fuck your ass whenever i want not an equivalence because i'm i'm guessing you're busting from traditional you know uh uh intercourse but that's i think that's my take on it you have to have a convo you have to think about all the elements here and if this is the the way she busts you got to figure something out here because that's that's a nice thing to have in a in a in a long-term relationship maybe you can do a little finger aggressive finger popping i'm sure they're related uh you know i'm sure you can achieve certain same goals that way just just just thinking of my own experiences yeah yeah so you know that's um i think that's what i would counsel the man on man you have you you have no direct takes here yeah i really don't yeah yeah yeah i was i was i was listening to bro and he was having so much fun he was pretty technical about it yeah like he was having so much fun and i did think like you said he did go super detailed and then at the last minute said his thing and he hung up yeah that was and i was like that was a little nuts that caught me a little off guard that wasn't slick we caught it i do appreciate it because i do think uh we're in similar space like i think we're both me and you are both sort of uh fascinated by like a a type of retro fat guy unc type of of but i appreciate about you is that you have a wholesomeness because that because there is very typically that kind of older unc scumbag uncle you know like not quite a dad kind of like literally your uncle that's around uh oftentimes there's a horny energy attached to it and i like that you keep it pure for you it's about the aesthetics there's not there's hints of horniness but there's no there's no outward displays of of horniness honestly bro i think i think i'm one of them people who because most of my stand-up career is is gigs yeah i think i'm still stuck in the like keep it clean keep it clean yeah yeah yeah if you want to work yeah you know what i'm saying when y'all got an audience bro yeah yeah it's a lot of like i can work gigs sure and that's true that is my i definitely ran up against that a lot early in my career totally totally totally shout out to tom papa who did not it's not a clean comic but people thought of him that way and he let me i opened for him for years and the one time a lady was like your opener was disgusting and he was like fuck you lady he fully had my back it was awesome he's the man for that and really it's really just more about that i see i see i just be trying to like oh i'd love oh okay i'd be so scared like i'd be so scared like if i have to go back to colleges i don't want to look up the files like yeah never mind you know yeah yeah sure i respect that okay nice so there might be a horny unveiling with mandel in about a decade i don't think i've heard them two words because that really is sort of the final unk form is just being sort of and there's a passive horniness to it where it's not aggressive you're just always a little horny and you're always just looking at you know it's like when you see an old fat guy just like it looks like he's really usually he's watching the most intense pornography you've ever seen in your life i do feel like there is like patrice had an old bit about being like a an old creep or like an undercover creep where it's just i'm trying he's just like in a park bench looking like a woman's like ankles or something you know what i mean he's just like i gotta find that bit that is kind of what we're describing anyway next question ld hey stavi what's up guys gals non-binary pals whatever um jumping right in so i got a friend thank you for inclusivity planning this like you know cross-country scotland trip road trip right uh we've always been platonic friends we used to work together we've done some travels like this i'm not expecting to fuck uh you know maybe you never know less than five minutes i'm not expecting to fuck you know maybe you never know less than five minutes chance um but even like with those chances being pretty low she's an outdoorsy person i imagine we're going to be doing a lot of hikes a lot i like doing that stuff too um this is another classic trying to sneak something in anyway at five percent i'm i'm not thinking about it it's all you're thinking about hey come on man come on dude who the fuck are you calling into you're going on a trip with a girl you're like oh i'm probably not gonna fuck i'm not even thinking about it you're just every moment you're around her you're you're vibrating with how badly you want to fuck her and you think you can hide that you're going on a trip with a platonic trip anyway sorry now he brought it up twice yeah this this far so that is dishonest so can we sorry you hit me with i just got a weird text so i missed the very beginning so this friend is in england and they're planning a cross-country trip to scotland that sounds like it'll be pretty outdoorsy that's cute though i like that trip idea and so he lives in scotland and he's like i'm gonna go to scotland he lives where he lives here he lives there he didn't specify but i think he lives here okay anyway keep going i am probably in the worst shape of my fucking life i'm damn near 300 pounds and i've got like three or four months to prepare uh five seven that's a normal weight sounds like you're just right from what my doctors told me five seven three hundred that's uh exactly right on the bmi scale a lot of time but you could still make some significant progress uh i just can't find any motivation stop i just can't stop eating and smoking weed and oversleeping and sure i don't know i'm just really depressed the world seems shitty war and it is and i've been thinking about quitting the weed but like it's like i'm pretty sure me buying weed is one of my friends like only sources of income and i guess it's an excuse but that stops me from like just trying to cut that out but what do i do how do i get ripped off like you how do i find the motivation to become a better man to hike and maybe smash this girl i mean okay there it is see this is insane yeah keep doing your shit no i'm with you because you know because you know what this guy is this guy is living in an oil field and he's trying to perfect solar power right he's he needs the motivation you just snap he needs the motivation to lose weight and he's pretending he doesn't want to fuck this girl my My boy, you got, that's the old, what were we talking about? talking about art human existence everything has in history has been done to get pussy you clearly want to fuck this girl so bad you're fat as shit you're gonna be alone with her for a fucking month on a cross-country trip and that's not the fucking you're pretending you don't want to fuck her and that that's that means that's that means that's you locking away your oil well admit yourself all you want to do is fuck this woman you would still get something out of the trip don't get me wrong even if she doesn't want to you're not a piece of shit if she doesn't want to fuck you you're not going to be an asshole but admit that to yourself start drilling in the fucking getting pussy oil fields instead of this nebulous like be a better man uh i couldn't possibly stop smoking weed i it would it would uh display it would uh completely disrupt my local economy if i stopped buying eighths from my fucking college dropout friend be honest with yourself okay start drilling in the pussy energy well okay and stop pretending you're doing this for moral higher standards and and one day you'll get there by the way right like i i'm at a place where look my life fucking awesome i don't need to lose weight other than because i want to live right uh but but that wasn't always the case yeah when i was young and had not the only times i ever fucking lost weight was honestly for a girl or for girls generally right i i i want i do have a little take here though please and that's why you're here i do think that i do and we are two different we do have a different uh it's it's like we have a different uh operating system in the same model you know what i mean like we both we both have we're but we're both it's we're both like you know it's different engines and like you know pt cruisers or whatever so so so i i am interested that you're for your take sure because i don't think you have been you know you're you're not as like we said horny forward so give let's let's get your take now i will say this i do think that at some point um you have to put some value in wanting to lose weight or be healthier for yourself for sure because i think that's more sustainable over time than for this particular person we're in full agreement and i think that i think that the more that you have some more some more value and feel like i am worth whatever that is rather that be being i don't know he said you know doing whatever he wants to quit or lose weight or gain his skills or whatever i think you'll be in less positions where you have to pretend like you don't want to be with this lady sure just you have more opportunity to be around women sure sure who like you for you because you like you for you you get what i'm saying right no no that's even you're right even pretending he doesn't want to fuck her is sort of that it's his own protection it's his own protection why are you guys out smoking weed that's bad for you it's the evolved version of that right i think you got to put that value in yourself you got to be like hey man i like me so much that i want the best version of me because i deserve this and then i think you'll have less times where you're like trying to figure out these puzzles around of course around um anything you want in life because you you find the value in you first yeah i fully agree and i do and that's that's kind of what i'm saying is like this is not last this is not it's it's it is oil versus solar because it is bad for you it's bad for the environment it doesn't burn clean the fuel of either hatred or desire most powerful potent fuel but it's it's played pollutes absolutely it puts a lot it does not when you're like because and that's by the way all that's what got me here is like chip on my shoulder you you don't you think that motherfucker's better than me absolutely and wanting to get pussy yeah without question the two things that have motivated my success more than anything at least getting started are those two but those fuels do not burn clean and i have switched since switched over you know to a different fuel for myself for why and be myself but this guy right now he's just fuck he's he's out there so you gotta start where you are he's gotta start where he is i get that right now he needs to start burning the unclean fuel yeah just to get a little heat in the fucking this yeah lab this is this right now the lab is dark i this is a fair point because i would say with the thing that you do that i think is so cool is that you inspire people to light themselves where they are exactly like you said you gotta pull yourself out the thing whatever whatever can motivate you first exactly you know i'm saying start if everybody you know you're fucking squirtles right now you can be fucking blastoise yeah you're just not there yet dude you gotta evolve over time just admit who you are and that's why this man needs to admit who he is and look at this trip as yes use that fuel don't be a creep but also just be like you know what i'm going on this awesome trip i'm a fucking broke piece of shit it sounds like i'm getting to go to england it's a once in a lifetime thing that's a very cool trip by the way and what did he say when he was going three or four months from now okay so that's the perfect time to go it's i i've actually i was in england uh we shot begonia in like june or whatever the fuck and i was like damn this is the perfect time to go and i was like i'm gonna go to england and i was like i'm gonna go to you actually want to be in england and scotland like july and august where everybody else is hot as fuck and they're just like 72 degrees and they're like it's a heat wave you know but that's a beautiful trip look at it it's like fuck it i'm gonna get i'm gonna start going on i'm gonna start walking just do the stuff you can do and by the way you're not you don't have the time for a full evolution this is you're gonna stay squirtle but you could be where were the school or where were they who were the squirtle club with the guys the glasses you remember they were like a couple cool squirtles do you remember that no were you a pokemon guy mantle i was in pokemon i believe on the cartoon there was like the squirtle club or some shit and it was just squirrels wearing sunglasses squirtle squad squirrel squad thank you this i backed into this analogy but it actually works beautifully because right now you're a fucking loser squirtle smoking weed you're a they're they're slight so you need to become the squirrel squad you need to be who you are now but just more confident and by the way look at it purely as i don't want to embarrass myself on these heights yeah and i was about to say too yeah i think like just getting just just getting in a better cardiovascular place than you are right now is good and take account for what's cool about you right now yeah like i think there's so much focus on what you're supposed to change but i'm pretty sure it's a lot of stuff highlight right now yes i agree that is cool about you right now about you get a couple cool fits go to dxl you're still a dxl we're not telling you you're leaving dxl in three months oh totally but spend a little cash yeah get a couple cool fits uh start going on walks in them and by the way it's hard to get weed in europe so this is a good motivation to be like i don't want to be going through fucking withdrawals yeah yeah i'm gonna quit now and if i want to start smoking weed again when i get back i can but just look dude that you actually have a motivation for a number of different things a again i think you're it's a healthy thing to be like this is still my friend even if she doesn't want to smash you clearly have feelings for this person okay so being honest with yourself is is important and providing and look whether she likes you or she doesn't like you you want to put your best foot forward right so that's motivation one two is this is he's young right did he say how old he was he sounds young right his worldview is quite young something you realize is that you're not young you're not young you're not young you're not even in your 30s is like oh there are not unlimited summers you you get like 80 summers if you're lucky you're spending one this might be the coolest summer of your fucking life it's eligible and i'm not saying the rest of you i'm saying you're doing something so cool that it's eligible to be the coolest thing you've ever done so why not be in a little better shape for it why not be ready to enjoy the trip as somebody who really has had a good time going to different cities walking around when i was 300 pounds versus even being 280 now that 20 fucking pounds is a huge difference the first five pounds is a huge difference the first time you really start walking you feel it so i would say look at this my advice to you to find concrete uh to find concrete motivation is just fucking uh look at this is not i'm gonna lose weight not i'm gonna be the fucking best version of myself you know this isn't gonna be the best version of you ever i want to do i want to be as good as shape mentally physically yeah going into a cool vacation with someone that i'm going to have that i have feelings for that i'm going to have a lot of time to connect and see whether there's anything there just being the be look at it as just short-term motivation for getting the most out of this vacation let that be the start and wherever it goes it goes absolutely and this might be a take that i regret please tell how you feel man i agree i agree tell how you feel don't don't don't hide now now i i would how long is the trip elders did he say i don't know if he specified it but yes maybe at the end of the trip you know what i mean i don't know that i would lead with that maybe i would catch a vibe because now she feels stuck there exactly now she feels weird now she's like oh is this a guy a fucking creep is he gonna try and fuck me you know in in dublin or wherever the fuck we're going i guess he said scotland and england that's blast go i've been wrong on that no no you're not wrong on that wrong. You're not wrong. Ultimately, you do need to tell her how you feel. And you need to be honest with how you feel. Yeah. Nobody fucking goes on a two-week hiking trip with their pen pal that they're not trying to fuck. And I think, you know, you got to realize that's a little dishonest too because she may perceive the relationship as platonic and he doesn't. Which, listen, but I think it's important to, first thing you need to do is be honest with himself. Figure out what your real feelings are. And then after you've kind of, you know, taken a couple practice hikes, he says he's out of breath, you've hit a couple national parks, you've cut the weed back, if not cut it out completely. Your diet is a little better because, you know, whatever. After that, and then you go on the trip, you have a couple days, you catch a vibe, you feel it out. At the end of the trip, there's nothing wrong with being like, or when it feels right, being like, hey, I'm having a great time, you know. Spending this much time together has made me feel, has really made me understand my feelings for you. And look, at the end of the day, they fucking live across, you know, I don't know where, he didn't give us a lot of detail about who this person is, but. He did mention they used to work together, but that's all we really know. Either way, this is clearly somebody you have feelings for on some level. And I think, don't do it on the first day. Don't fucking go there with a diamond ring in your pocket and try and fucking propose. But feel the vibes out. If it feels right, you can say it earlier. But I think by the end of the trip, you should, it's important for you. To just express yourself. And even if it doesn't go your way, that's fine. She's still your friend. You had a great trip together. And there will be other people that do feel this way about you. Absolutely. But I like that advice. I think that is good, ultimately. At the end of the day, what we need to do is just be as honest about what we want and our feelings as possible. And that's hard to do. Yeah. And have some faith that if you being the best version of you, somebody's going to love that version. A hundred percent. Without question. Somebody will love the shittier version. The shittier version of you, too. Absolutely. I truly, I fucked the most when I was fat. I was 340. Yeah. My dick didn't even fucking work. Yeah. But I was just kind of trying to fuck as like the way I did everything. Like the way I was addicted to everything of like pills, food, weed, getting, trying to fuck as many girls as we'll let. Like I was just in such a like addict's mind where it was like, and you will, you can figure it out at your worst. So when you're actually at your, wherever you are, you can find somebody that believes in you. And you can even find people that believe in you. And people that are on the ups, you know, you don't need everything to be perfect for you to find, you know. But anyway, that's our advice, little buddy. We're rooting for you. Let it, honestly, please, please let us know how it goes. This, I would love to even talk to you on a, on a live call because I think there's, there's a lot more that we haven't gotten to here. Absolutely. This could be, this could, this guy could go in the, in the, in our, he could be another member of the anti-incel hall of fame. Who did we have? Peach farmers in there. And who's the other kid? I forget his name, but he's the man. Remember we talked to him on the road. Oh yeah. Yeah. What the fuck was his name? We don't know their real names here. I forgot their name. But we know you, but you know who we're talking about. And we, we need, we do need a couple of updates on some of our, the guy who you did trap work on in LA years ago. Him too. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. All right. I'll just hit us with another one. Hey stuff. Big fan of the show. So I'll get right to it. Basically I have a group of college friends. I'm 34. Really like the only time I get to see these guys is about once a year. So whenever someone gets married or we have a bachelor party, something like that. And what's going on now is one of the guys in the group, I found out he's getting married and I found out because another one of the friends texted me and asked if I was going and I found out that I didn't get an invite. And basically, my question is, is I am wondering, is it cool? Like I changed my email and I changed my phone number about a year ago. And I'm wondering, is it cool to kind of ask my other friends who told me about the wedding to kind of like push around and see if it's possible that maybe like he's just like texted the wrong number, go to a wedding, sent the wrong email. At the same, I really don't want to seem like I'm fishing for an invite. I mean, I am a little bummed that I didn't get invited, but, um, but you know, it's his wedding and, you know, I respect the decision. And the last thing I would want to do is be at a thing where I'm not wanted. Um, but I love these guys and I love hanging out with them whenever I get the opportunity to, and I'd be really bummed, especially if I found out that, you know, it was just a misconnection to give a little more context. I mean, we're in a fantasy football group together and we had to like remake the group, um, last year because I changed my numbers. So, you know, that's the thing is I think that you probably just didn't invite, um, but I don't know. I get the feeling that you changed your fucking email and number, you know, maybe there's some misunderstanding. I don't know. Did you change your fucking address around here a little bit and ask my friend to do a little digging on my behalf just to make sure it's not an understanding or would you just say, leave it alone, leave it alone. I appreciate any advice. I mean, he does the amount of time he's like, first of all, they've contacted you since, right? If you change your number a year ago, and this has never come up with the person who's not wedding, you want to go to. Yeah. You're not close enough. If, if he, if you change your number and he didn't realize until it was time for his wedding, that's kind of a bad sign, man. Yeah. I think, I think you got to leave it alone. I think big link. I, I, you know, I, I, I think from my own life experience, you do got to let it be. And you got to be like, Hey, it is what, it is because I think any other option, any other option, even if you, even if you reach out and they say, Oh my bad, we forgot. It's still, you still kind of know where y'all relationship. Yeah, sure. Sure. Like now this is funny. Cause I do have friends too, who have like invited people or like been like, I'm not inviting that guy. And then someone will text him like, Hey man, I'm talking to a bunch of friends who likes you. The weddings went out. And actually I know somebody who didn't go with through a friend, but just, just texted the guy directly. And my friend just folded immediately. And he was like, dude, what he like, he was like, he got lost. And, and so like, there's a little bit of that. There's a little bit of social pressure. Uh, now this is an interesting question because I, I agree that, I mean, clearly again, this guy's feelings are really hurt and he can't admit that. Just admit that that's okay. It's okay for your feelings to be hurt. Yeah. Anytime you're talking about email or phone number, though, it's like, Oh, it's like, she's probably busy. That's why she's not texting me back. Like this is the, this is the classic, uh, trill withers tweet. Uh, she's just having, she'll text you back, bro. She's just having a little sex, whatever. Clag. I don't want, I want to get the wording just right. If you could look that up, all this, but it's like, dog, I don't think it's a fucking, it's your email or your phone number. Now I will say that. if you trust your friends sort of, uh, uh, spy capabilities, if you trust your friend's ability to get some recon, I don't know that, but it's very, it's very friend specific, right? And they would have to be very slick with it to not embarrass you. Because I think the odds that this is some kind of misunderstanding are very low. So unless you have like the suavest James Bond ass friend, who it doesn't seem like you do, I could see trying to figure out what happened here or like, or trying to get, cause this is kind of juicy gossip. When a friend of a, when a friend gets left out of a wedding invite, your friends are going to talk about it. Like again, if me and Eldis and our friend group of like, you know, five or six friends that are tight. If one of those friends didn't invite one of the others to a wedding, it would be a topic of discussion. And Eldis did have a very small wedding and people's feelings didn't get hurt really, but it was funny to joke about who got invited and who didn't. And you know, in our, in the, in Stabby Baby Enterprise in particular, it was funny. Eldis invited one of our coworkers at, as a joke, an hour, remember we sent him the invite an hour before the wedding. Like, Hey man, I really hope you can make it a little last minute ceremony, which was funny as hell. So I think there is a way to, to at least, to, to figure out what happened because there is some explanation here. And the explanation is misunderstanding. I would put it 4%. And that's pretty generous, right? Let's say it's a solid, let's give you 5%. But the other options, the devastating options are he doesn't really like you that much. Right? Then the other thing is the partner, right? Like she's, she, she's just like, I don't fucking want this guy there. Or, what probably happened is they probably don't have that many spots. And they just, you made the long list, but when it was time to make some difficult cuts, the guy, the two guys we like least in fantasy football, they're the ones who get cut from the wedding, right? Yeah. Probably what it is is actually the most devastating thing, which is not, he has some secret hatred for you or that he's harboring some secret or that his wife secretly hates you. It's actually a little more devastating, just, realize you're 80. b minus c plus friend in this guy's life and he doesn't even not want you around you might even get invited to the bachelor party you might get invited to the auxiliary back you might you don't get to stay in the house but you get to go to top golf or whatever the fuck right that's probably what's happening so do i think doing a little recon is the worst thing in the world no i just think realistically brace yourself for the fact that you just didn't make the cut whatever hat whatever happens from there happens from there i say you know is it does this shed some light on your relationships do the people you find to be your close friends not think of you that way yeah this is a moment of reflection for that for sure and i do feel like man but that's the thing too i'm like does he really benefit from that investigation though no he doesn't benefit from it i'm saying because i'm like i'm like if you i feel like i think you could just take it for what it is and then like you said put more into the relationships that you that you see uh i guess like a more fruitful bond with you know i'm saying sure you can get down to the nitty-gritty and be like well one time in the fantasy football i said yeah his hairline was crooked yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you can figure that out or you can be like oh this cat wife don't like me or like you said you was at the cup but the none of those things fix the issue which is you thought you was closer with somebody that's a good point yeah that's a good point and and yeah maybe if you want to have it now the zen approach has been like oh okay they didn't have room who cares and you don't let that affect you at all yeah which i think is probably the best thing to do and he might even grow to regret not inviting you oh oh is that normand i don't know yeah next week mark norman will be yeah he's getting here we're gonna hang out for a week straight so that we have really good chemistry on the pod well i guess that's gonna do it for us i didn't we're having such a fun time come on in what's up buddy yep thank you so yeah mark's here for a week we're gonna hang out and really get in the zone for next week's episode uh but yeah we i think we figured out with that guy yeah yeah for sure you know don't don't invite your phone you got to take a piss dude go go in there um mandel thanks for coming brother thanks for having me this is so fun i enjoy this program yeah you're well you're we'll have you back absolutely uh and we will do the tournament of the dessert we got to come up with the right acronym the dessert tournament the dessert tournament the dt uh the we got it we get with dnt is a nice beginning and end yeah to dart can we do dessert appreciation we'll figure it out dart is cool something fat something that sounds delicious anyway we're not gonna come up with it right now uh but happy 420 everyone legalize it you know keep playing us two joints by sublime yeah if you rock a worry for gohan do you read for time that's right that's right that's right what should we plug what should we plug here uh shoot uh find mandel online we'll fucking go the big fun network on youtube love that i got a program called big biz watch that really funny very funny videos and big biz videos finding out with me and rob hayes oh hell yeah i love rob and uh yeah that's it right now hell yeah check out mandel one of the funniest guys and uh we will talk to you guys next week bye-bye you