#153 - Trevor's Pirate Obsession

Ahoy! Welcome to Smosh Mouth. I'm Shane. I'm Macy. I'm Amanda. And we have a very special weary traveler on our ship with us today. His name is Trevor Evers. Arrgh! What do you mean, weary traveler? I be the captain of this ship! What? You have the most Spongebob pirate voice. Arrgh! You are not the captain! That's crazy! Spongebob me boy! Aye! That's the captain there! So what am I? The whore? Whoa! Whoa! None of us! Hey! Hey! Don't act like it's not happening on these ships! If a woman is brought on these ships, what's happening there? Whoa! She's not a captain! Hey! I wish! You're right. There are a couple very famous female pirates, though, to be fair. That's true. And that's me. And that's you. Okay. Was once a whore, now a famous pirate. Is that? Okay. I've decided. I make my own resume. That's your lore. Look at this. I have a sword, you have a hat, you have an eyepatch. Yeah, for our audio listeners, we're pirates. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Fully decked out. If you guys didn't get that, we are pirates. It is the week of Trevor's birthday. Yay! And? Because of that, and we've had this planned for like a year now, I feel like, talking about this. Yeah. You wanted to talk pirates. Yeah, well, I think one of the episodes that came on, and we just kind of accidentally started nerding out about it a little bit. Yeah. I was like, guys, I really like pirates. We were like, whoa. And then thankfully, you know, Selina was like, well, do you want to come on and have a dedicated episode to nerd out? So now I get to talk about pirates. For, we have like four hours, I think, slated for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have the whole day. Happy birthday, Trevor. We're doing this one a bit like a Joe Rogan experience, where we just go for six hours. And that's the only way it's going to be like a Joe Rogan experience. That is the only way. Just how long it is. That is like that. All our ad reads are for supplements. Yeah. A gas station rhino pill. Thank you for the sponsorship. Yeah. When did you first start loving pirates? When you were a kid or an adult? I think when I was a kid, I really loved pirates. I love the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Sorry, hold on. Bless ye. I am the blessed. May you be blessed. Thank ye. No, yeah. Because you grew up in Idaho. Yeah, yeah. So you were nowhere near the ocean. Nowhere near the ocean. You're like, fuck. No, I mean like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, like I think I was very like target. Like A, like growing up, I loved those movies. I loved the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Up at Treasure Island, of course. Treasure Island, one of my favorite books. Probably my favorite book of all time. Really? Yeah, I love it. And I know for a lot of people, they read it and it's like, that's kind of a tough read. Like it is a, the book is very, I mean, it's old. Why is it a tough read? I can't remember it. I just remember the Muppets. They're just slower. Yeah. And it's also like the old, like Robert Louis Steven's very committed to like using like pirate like tongue and making it very like authentic. And so like a lot of the dialogue is just like, wow, it's, it's hard to understand. One time, actually, I was reading that book and I was like reading it to Raven before we would go to sleep at night. I was like reading it in bed. The old. I literally was getting to the. You were reading it by candlelight? Yeah. And then I was like, maybe I should have picked a different book because I'm getting to the pirate dialogue and it's like, you know, 11 at night and like, we're like about to sleep and I'm like, are you a salty bastard? She's just like, please stop. Please. Pick a different book. I've read plenty of books from that era, but it is, it can be tough. Yeah. Like I remember trying to read Moby Dick and stuff and I'm just like, man. Moby Dick was a tough. Boy. You can read it in school. Moby Dick is like, yeah. Okay. As far as like books go, Moby Dick is a thousand times tougher of a read than like Treasure Island. It is like a children's book. Yeah. I read a thousand leagues under the sea. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it's like, it's cool. It's cool. It's cool to be like. Whoa, this was insane for the time that it was written. Yeah. But it's still just like what they find exciting is a different plot. Yeah. Like it's not going to have the same twists and turns and character arcs that we're used to. It's actually crazy. Like Treasure Island, when you, okay, I'm going to take off the eyepatch. I'm like my vision. Your eye works. Yeah. Wow. Actually, if you turn the lights off, I could probably see really good out of this eye. Cause that's what, you know how people do that where like if you're about to go into a dark place. Is that, is that I've heard that lore about pirates that they wore an eye patch, even though they weren't missing an eye so that when they went under deck, they could take that off and they were adjusted to the darkness. I actually haven't heard that, but that would make a lot of sense. You just make that up? I didn't make it up, but I think I read something online where someone else had made it up. Oh, okay. And wrote it out in a post. This is a Reddit stories. But it sounds, it makes sense to me. Yeah. Or do they wear it to be like, I'm a badass. Don't mess with me. I'm so comfortable. Well, they did do a lot of intimidation. Yeah. Selena thinks maybe it's when you look through the spyglass. Why would they have the eye patch to look through? You know, you know, it's hard to like do this. So instead of doing this, they would just quickly go right to it. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. All right. It's a multifunctional tool. So pirates, can we give a little bit of a preface of like piracy and the age of piracy? Yeah. So very good. I'm happy to give an overview. It's so tough because I think that I really could just talk for so long. So feel free to ask questions. Or steer me in any direction. We'll steer you. Basically, the golden age of piracy was from about like 1650 to 1730. Very short. 80 years. Very short. Very short. Yeah. Well, it was really like it overlapped greatly with the period of like expansion into the new world. So that's like kind of because the first era of the golden age of piracy, it's like split into three eras. And the first era was from 1650 into like the early 1700s. And it's called the buccaneering era. And so Spain, Spain was very, they were, they were early arrivers to the new world. They were in on it early. The market was bullish on the new world and colonization. And the other European nations were like, we want to get in on that. But a Navy is very expensive. And also the golden age of piracy overlapped with what was called the age of sale. And so the age of sale is basically when like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, And, like, masted ships became the primary method of travel and commerce and also, like, warfare. So all of these nations were, like, working on their navies very heavily. Still in the buccaneer era. Yeah, yeah, the buccaneering era. So there were what were called privateers. And basically, I mean, the journey across the Atlantic Ocean was really long. And it was very hard to, like, coordinate a navy and very expensive. And so these nations, what they took to doing instead was giving pirates what was called the Letter of Mark. And essentially, it would be, like, the king of England would be, like, hey, here's a letter of mark. We're going to allow you to do piracy. We won't hunt your ships. You can dock in our ports as long as you only attack ships from other nations. So don't attack any English ships. Go have your way with Spanish, like, whoever. And a lot of the nations, like, a lot of European nations were at war with Spain at this time. But would the king want some of the, you know. The booty? The booty that they take from these ships? Yeah, so they would take a percentage of whatever they plundered. Hit men. But, yeah, I mean, for pirates, it was a pretty sweet deal because it's like they could, you know, legally unload their goods and the king would take a percentage. But they could kind of just get up to their activities. Do whatever they wanted to do. And it was a way for other European nations to kind of disrupt Spain's, like, chokehold on the new world. Because Spain had a lot of, like. Roots for trade. They basically. Yeah. They dominated that. Yeah, they just got there very early. They were getting there very early and kind of getting, like, first dibs on, you know. What were they trading? Well, there were a lot of, like, things in the new world. Like, tobacco was a big one. Honestly, a lot of the Spanish, they were just. I mean, they were just killing, you know, indigenous populations. And a lot of, like, what they were getting from, like, South America was gold. Like, they were just, like, Spanish treasure galleys. They were just. They were. Like, the governments were effectively pirates. Like, everybody was pirates. Yeah. Like, everybody's stealing, but you're stealing from people who are stealing. Right. Yeah. So, pirates were actually cool because they're, like, we wear our name proudly. We're pirates. There is a moral argument for the fact. Because, like, obviously pirates, you know, are painted as, like, oh, they're the bad guys. They're attacking people. But, like, the English and the Spanish and the French, they were coming over and they were just killing people. And they were bringing disease. Like, Nassau, actually, which was a very big. Pirate hub on New Providence Island, which is now the Bahamas. Yeah. When Spain first arrived there, they just either enslaved or killed the entire indigenous population of, like, New Providence Island. They brought disease. And then the people that didn't die of disease, they sold as slaves and used to, you know, farm plantations and sugar cane and things. So, like, all of the colonizers were really terrible people. And not to say that pirates didn't also get up to their fair share of terrible things. Yeah. I love pirates, but I also feel like. Every time I talk about it, I preface, like, there were a lot of pirates that did very bad things. Naughties. Totally. I mean, like, Sir Francis Drake is one of the most famous, like, explorers and privateers of all time. He was operating heavily, like, during the buccaneering era. And he was just a slaver. Like, he just bought and sold slaves as well. And so, like, a lot of these people that are renowned. I mean, he was the second guy to circumnavigate the world. And, like, he's this very renowned explorer. But he's just. But also an awful person. Bad dude. They call themselves privateers, not pirates. Yeah. Yeah. Pirates. Correct. Privateers or buccaneers. And that was really only if you had, like, a letter of marque. then you were a privateer. Got it. And so, yeah, during this period, like of all these nations being at war with Spain, privateers were just kind of going at it. They were plundering ships and creating little like colonies and, you know, bringing like, England would send over governors, like they took over New Providence Island. But they were kind of just having their way over in the Spanish main. Did the Spanish have privateers and buccaneers of their own? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was kind of like almost like a mini war happening. Exactly. It was like, it was very, it was a lot easier for them to just send people out to be like fight each other. And because- Yeah, of course, they do their dirty work. Yeah, they were just trying to disrupt Spain and take their stuff and the gold that they were plundering and all that. And so that was the buccaneering era. That's the 1500s. That's like 1650 right into late or early 1700s. Would Spanish privateers be called privateers? Yeah. I mean, they probably had, I don't know if they had another name for it, but that's kind of like overall. L privateers. Yeah, L privateers. L privateers. So nobody ever referred to themselves as a pirate? No, I think not, not at that time. Okay, okay. But- So Pirates of the Caribbean, it's like nobody's going to say you're a pirate. Well, you never know. Yeah. Pirates of the Caribbean is so true. It's a true story. A lot of the modern media that you see in the parts of like pirate history that are very romanticized is actually in what's called the post-Spanish succession period. So the war of Spanish succession, ended and then there was kind of like a peacetime. So in peacetime, all these privateers now just defaulted back to being pirates. Like once the letters of Mark, like we're no longer at war. So the English are like, well, don't attack Spanish ships. And now they're just pirates again. So they don't have a letter of Mark. They're kind of free reign of the seas. Yeah, yeah. And so the post-Spanish succession is when you see a lot of like the very famous pirates. That's when they were operating. So like, your Blackbeards, you know, your Calico Jack, your Anne Bonny and your Mary Read, all these very, a lot of the very famous pirates. Anne Bonny and Mary Read are the famous female pirates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was from, that was a very short period of time. That was like 1710. Okay. And don't, they didn't do it for that long. That lasted five days that they threw them overboard. It was, it was a very short period, but it was a very, that's when like a lot of the crazy exploits were happening. In this era where there was no letters of Mark. Yeah. Yeah. And then in between the privateerian area and the post-Spanish recession was called the pirate round period. So that was like also pretty short. Rounding up all the pirates? Yeah, exactly. They were rounding each other up. No, it was, it was named that because one of the major trade routes actually from England over into the Mughal Empire. So what is now like modern day India, the British, East India Company. They, pirates would sail from England down around the coast of Africa up to Madagascar and into the Indian Ocean. And that was a very popular place for pirates to operate. So plundering like British trade ships that were bringing spices over from India and like Mughal treasure ships. So that was a very profitable, a lot of the most profitable pirates were operating in the pirate round. And it was just called that. In the Indian Ocean. Yeah. Yeah. Because you would just sail down around the Cape of, the Cape of Good Hope in the South. And what ships were they robbing? They were robbing East India Company. Yeah. A lot of British ships were there. And I mean, there were Spanish ships as well, like just trading with, with India. But then, yeah, the Mughal Empire was kind of the, it was like an Islamic empire that was very powerful and very wealthy. And it was basically what is now like a lot of modern day India. And Bangladesh was kind of the big, the big area. When you say treasure ships, are you talking ships full of gold? Yeah. I'm talking trips full of just like jewels, gold, all that stuff. Why were they, what were they doing? Were they bringing it over somewhere? Yeah. Just trading. It's that era's equivalent of like an armored bank truck. Like, it's like we got to move this cash or this. Exactly. These goods somehow in the fastest ways by ship. Exactly. Because you can't like on land, that's, you're probably more vulnerable on land. Yeah. On land, there's, I mean, there's still, there's still like highwaymen and things and the journey's like a lot longer. You could get places so much faster by ship. And the Mughal Empire was very like, they're responsible for building like the Taj Mahal. Yeah. So it was like a lot of art. Like they had just a ton of wealth. And so that was the pirate round period. And a very famous pirate rounder was Henry Every, who was known as the king of the pirates. And he's very famous for plundering the emperor of Mughal, his, his personal treasure ship. He stole it and estimated, I think at the time, like 600,000 British pounds, which the calculation is something like. Back in the day is massive. Yeah. I mean, the calculation is like over like 200 million. Like I think it's somewhere between like 150 million. That's crazy. And he didn't have to, he didn't have to give any of it to anybody else other than his, his crew. Yeah, correct. He, he made off with it. I think something that makes, like historical eras fascinating to read about is compared to modern day where like the scope of like the amount of power that governments have now with like technology. Yeah. Is so immense that back then though, it's like if you, and if you like enough guys had a ship. Yeah. It's like you can take on. Yeah. The anything kind of. Yeah. Like I know your chances you're going to die, but like. Probably not. I feel like. The thought of like something of that equivalent, happening nowadays just seems so impossible. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's no private group of people that can take on like. Yeah. Right. The, a nation's most powerful. Right. Device or ship, you know, it's like not possible. You take someone's ship and it could take weeks for whoever owns the ship to find out. To find out. And then they're already, they're already gone. And also I don't think that people on the people on their ship are fully equipped to handle a group of privateers because what are they coming on the ship with? Do they have, weapons like a bunch of weapons or. Yeah. So a lot of pirate warfare is basically you have like, you know, your broadside cannons and when ships would fight, usually they would come up alongside each other and fire the broadsides. And then the whole point was like, you kind of wanted to make the ship weak enough to then get on and board it. So once you were close enough, you would throw out the hooks, pull the ship in and then, you know, throw across the, the, the gang planks. And then you would take everything on that ship, back to your ship. Well, you would fight, you know, guns and swords, take over the ship. And, um, what sometimes you would, sometimes pirates would just take what they could carry. Sometimes they would take the ship with them if they could. I was going to say, cause like a certain amount of weight at a certain point. Yeah. Yeah. Because gold is heavy. It's really heavy. So all the people on the ship either got tossed off, killed or held. Yeah. Prisoner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, that was another thing is like, uh, when, when they would take a lot of pirates would offer, um, like survivors, uh, some people would just kill everyone, but, uh, survivors. Yeah. Like once a ship, like once it was very common for like, once you knew the pirates like took control of your ship or whatever, a lot of people just surrender outright. So like, if it was like a merchant ship, they'd be like, we don't want to fight, like take whatever you want and just like, please let us live. Yeah. Some pirates would honor that. Some pirates would take the ship. Sometimes it would be like, well, whoever wants to join our crew can, and we're going to kill the rest. Um, Evers, was he, was he a kind one? Um, it's, I mean, it's tough to say, uh, exactly how like kind one pirate or another was. Um, but honestly, I, I don't know. I don't know if there's like much specifics. Would you be a kind pirate, Trevor? I like to think I would. You'd be nasty. I'd be dead. You'd be a nasty. What? I would be dead. Oh, wait, you would be the one who was like the top commander, uh, guarding the gold and you would fight to the death. To, to guard the gold. Is that right? No, I'm saying I'd probably die of some disease week one. You're like, yeah, I'm on this ship. I'd just fucking die. I would, I, a cannon would misfire and I'd explode. I'd just stand on the ship and fall. You'd have a rash. Like you have to wonder what's the like typical, uh, um, survival rate of a pirate. Like pretty bad. It's low. It's gotta be atrocious. I think it's low because you can get really, really sick. it's also insane to think about how many shipwrecks there are in the world. Like, if you went out on a wooden ship back in the day, it's like, you're going to die. No, it was like, you were just, it was a coin flip on whether or not you were going to live or die. People would just get, you would get killed boarding. You'd get trapped out in some doldrums, sickness, sickness, but just like the, the ocean is just a cruel mistress. Yeah. Oh my God. No, they were literally like storms. Like you, you sail the wrong day and it's just, your ship is broken apart. Yeah. Like you think about how fucked up ships are nowadays. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then you think about one with no electricity or plumbing. People are still getting sick on cruises. Yeah. They're wiping people out left and right. Storms are dangerous, but then, I mean, in when all you have to propel you is wind and sails, you, people would like pirates could get trapped out in doldrums and they could just be sitting like literally the ship not moving and still water for weeks and people just starve. what, like, and yeah. So, so they're obviously, they need to dock obviously to get water and everything. Is their ship commonly known as like, oh, that's a pirate ship you know how pirates of the caribbean look at this ship see it's got the skull on it yeah like because they would have pirate flags yeah so usually when you would that would you like you wouldn't be flying you know the the black flag um the entire time you were sailing like generally speaking you would want to be a little bit more incognito and then once you were about to attack a ship like if they were like okay there's a prize peace and love everybody it's just a rainbow flag they're like that's gonna mean something someday yeah but for now it's refracted light and they're like not even that that hasn't been invented yet okay so that's hilarious okay so you have you have the rounders and then we go to the peace time yeah so the post spanish succession peace time all the pirates are now they're just pirates and for a lot of them they're just pirates and they're just pirates and they're just pirates it was very like it was more desirable than just joining a navy um because funny enough for how bad the conditions were being a sailor um pirates were actually like very democratic um and like the pirate code was a real thing um the very early iterations of it it's attributed to like multiple different people henry every had a pirate code um but the most like complete pirate code that we have access to uh is the pirate code that we have access to and that's the pirate code that we have is bartholomew roberts um who is a very famous pirate captain in the post-spanish succession period um and there were some really good like it was a very some of the like very like highlighted points in it were um the payment system on pirate ships was very like pretty even so the captain and the quartermaster would get two shares um the like gunner uh and the bosun would the like master gunner and the bosun would get two shares and the captain and the quartermaster would get two shares like the bosun uh the bosun is essentially like sort of like third like right-hand man to the quartermaster okay um quartermaster and he the bosun like kind of he he spoke for like a lot of the crew he was kind of like a representative almost but more of a manager or like they're all doing everybody has physical tasks yeah he's like a talent manager yeah and so they would get they have hr sounds like the bosun is kind of hr maybe well like kind of like the quartermaster and the bosun were because the captain had like complete control in like situations of battle but outside of that the quartermaster is really in charge of like holding votes and paying out shares and like bringing issues to the captain and if the crew didn't like the captain and didn't think that he was doing a good job they could put it to a vote and the crew would vote on whether or not they wanted a new captain and that was completely fine that that's not like the the captain wouldn't be like i'm gonna kill you for doing that yeah i mean if the captain was a bad person but if you know but overall the captain could get demoted to quartermaster and the quartermaster becomes so the captain's just like washing the deck the next one day the captain could get demoted he could become a regular crew member a lot of times if the captain did get voted out he's probably being really awful and they would like maroon him um sometimes they would just straight up kill the captain jack sparrow a full mutiny yeah a full mutiny would it be called a mutiny if they just voted him out or is that kind of a different thing um i i don't actually know like technically what would qualify as a mutiny is like you're going against them and you i think you maroon them on an island or something a mutiny i think more so is like something done in secret and without like like not putting it to a vote it's like a group of people would rise up and just kill the captain without like voting on it without working as a like full team yeah yeah that would suck to be marooned on an island i think about that i think it'd probably be better to get shot than get marooned because i definitely in my head as a kid i definitely romanticized like just islanding and i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think and stuff because i would we would go to key west we'd go to the key west in the summer and like we'd just be out in the ocean i'm just like this is amazing and i would be like i could survive on a stranded island it's like no you're gonna die you're just gonna die a slow death what no way it's gonna be hot yeah you're gonna get dehydrated meet people so tough you're gonna you're gonna meet people it's a deserted island you're gonna live there like blue lagoon your hair's gonna get so long you're gonna get so tan hell no this isn't cast away yeah but the pirate i mean there are a lot of other really like uh there was like workers comp like uh there was what if you in bartholomew roberts like pirate a pig leg yeah if you like lost an arm or a limb like during battle or working on the ship yeah they pay out like 800 like pieces of eight to be like hey you lost a leg in battle like we're gonna pay you out money um and then they would pay like less if like the injury was like more minor or whatever but and none of these men have like a home with families um or some do generally speaking i think it was like less likely life i think yeah i think some people did have like you know there there might have been some like pirate captains that would like settle down or have families or whatever um but i think it was it was not very common i think yeah you're gone like all year round like how much time are they even spending on land ever i mean not a lot most land wasn't safe for them right i think i was thinking yeah there were very few so like uh like i said like nasa was a big like pirate hub port royal was a big pirate hub um adagascar actually was a very really so pirate hub you really only hear about the uh the caribbean you don't hear much about like the world so it was a very worldwide phenomenon for this 80 years yeah yeah i mean ching shi was a chinese pirate and she commanded like the largest pirate fleet in history um and how many ships do you know oh my gosh and is this of the same era um this is a different era this is like not yeah this is not i actually selena might might fact check me here on like what year she operated um and i think it was like the same era um and i think it was like the same era i don't believe it was during like the golden age but it was like when is the golden age 17 or 1650 to 1730 so the peace the peace age the spanish peace age and then it's the golden age uh no so the the post-spanish succession period was like basically the end right right at the end of piracy because once the nations were no longer at war then that freed up everyone's attention to be like oh the pirates are kind of a problem they're like we've been using them like they're like as privateers we've been like taking advantage of them existing but now that everyone's at peace and everything in like the new world is kind of settled it's like okay now we should probably deal with these people that are just killing merchants and taking all of our like ships and stuff so the golden age was before that um yeah yeah the the post-spanish succession was right at the end but it's also the most romanticized it's what you see in media uh a lot is is the the golden age of piracy or is that why is it because that's romanticized i think it's just those are the very famous pirates it's when you have like a lot of the like exploits of of like blackbeard and and um a lot of like you know people being chased uh woods rogers uh was sent in to be the governor of uh nassau and he was basically like the scourge of the pirates um so right in this period once there was like kind of peace time uh england offered like a blanket pardon they were like if you like come in like we'll pardon you for all of your pirates deeds we'll let you off scot-free as long as you just promise not to be a pirate again and so a lot of for a lot of pirates that have just did it they were like yeah i'll take whatever money i have and try and go live like a normal life whoa um but then there were also a lot of pirates that you know they they they fought to the bitter end yeah they they could never and that's like a lot of the more you know famous um like bartholomew roberts he was he was at it right until the end he i believe has the um historically the most ships ever like captured by a single pirate i think he captured something like over 400 ships oh my god yeah and his time as a pirate and what's crazy is a lot of these like post-spanish succession pirates they were only operating for like a few years they just not going hard they were going i think blackbeard literally only like was a pirate like and and was actually out sailing for like two years could you imagine you have a job for two years and you're a legend forever yeah it's i mean basically we already did it i mean we're we're we're legends forever the three of us yeah for this one episode it makes sense though because you think about two years on a ship non-stop yeah you can only go for so long before you yeah potentially like die yeah so um and it was tough too because then after the pardons um then uh woods rogers employed uh a lot of pirate former pirates as pirate hunters so like captain benjamin hornigold was a very famous pirate uh and he became like a he he started working with woods rogers and started hunting pirates and so it was kind of this like very cannibalistic thing at the end where it's like okay you can either remain a pirate or you can stop being a pirate or you can just start go hunting down the people you used to like bounty hunters with oh um that's kind of fun historically there is an argument to be made a lot of historians that like have studied pirates they do believe that if if if the pirates in the post-spanish succession period and in this like very tumultuous time in the new world had any sort of leadership and any ability to like work together and just not be generally stupid that there could have been a legitimate pirate empire created in the new world like i'm sure in the caribbean like the english really if all the pirates had worked together they wouldn't have had the power to like overcome the threat of pirates as quickly as they did well there are modern pirates right now yeah well pirates have been an ongoing there's never a time there they haven't existed since commerce has existed there have been you know highwaymen and bandits and pirates like yeah anytime there's been merchant goods to be plundered there have been people to plunder them i remember reading a book on cleopatra and in like one of her battles with one of her siblings i think she was like she enlisted a bunch of pirates to like fight in her army yeah yeah well it's like oh yeah epic book ancient like but like ancient pirates are a very real thing like pirates are yeah and pirates still anyone it's just a term for people who are committing crimes on the ocean yeah that's really all it is there were a lot of pirates in the mediterranean so like off the coast of north africa they were called the the the barbary corsairs was a very famous group of pirates but yeah i mean we again like the the very big and well-known ones were all kind of operating in the in the in the caribbean um but there were pirates yeah thanks talk to me about this female pirate that you mentioned earlier and and and no oh yeah yeah yeah how many ships was it did you get the number yes uh so she operated from 1801 to 1810 so after oh 1800s yeah and she was the leader of where was it uh approximately 400 junks and between 40 000 to 70 000 pirates yeah but wait 40 000 pirates 40 000 pirates under one person's command yeah what correct she must have been awesome yeah she was she actually so she like basically took over the pirate fleet from like her husband her husband was like a pirate captain and then he died and she took command and just like made like yeah one of the greatest pirate fleets of of all time and operated and basically i mean for what it was is probably the closest thing to like a pirate like empire that you could have i mean there was like basically operating unchallenged in like you know the indian ocean and south how many ships how how did they communicate with each other um i mean that big of a fleet yeah for that big of fleet she probably just had a lot of like generals and captains and like had like i would imagine like kind of hubs of command and stuff um kind of incredible that they you know sailed across the seas with no real way to communicate other than yeah hoping to meet up yeah no it's crazy like people you could just be like hey man i'm going out to like catch a prize like i'll catch you on the flip side and then your buddy just never comes back he's just gone forever is that crazy that's how things kind of worked until like relatively recently yeah it's crazy like up until like when we were teenagers it was like all right i'm going out it's like there's no way to contact me until i find a phone i had no way but like really back then it was like well if you write great we'll find out it's i was listening to a thing about alexander the great and uh his dad was murdered at like a wedding right uh philip the second dad and it was like a crazy like game of thrones type of thing where he was like stabbed in the middle of the celebration and it was like oh uh you know persia was really nervous about this guy because like greeks and and macedonia and and uh persia um and it was like well they're gonna get word about it like months later yeah um but it was even crazier because there's a part where like in another city nearby uh the the like leader of that city had a messenger who was able to get to him in time to tell him like he's been killed yeah and then he gives a speech to his town of like i prophesize that a a great death is going to happen yeah and then is able to be like oh because i have this info before anybody else does i can make it look like i'm predicting this is about to happen yeah and then news officially arrives whoa because it takes months yeah yeah for like the world to find out about like massive things it's so crazy like you think about like if like when jfk was assassinated if it took like a month for everyone to find out about it but it didn't well no but i'm saying i'm saying imagine if like that's how things were but it's like oh did you hear the president got shot two months ago it's like oh my god what like could you imagine if like you had a family and your you know your partner went off sailing years like where's greg well he went off he went off sailing and he's been and and he's doing his whole pirate thing doing this pirate thing i slept with the neighbor you know he had a letter of mark at one point but now he doesn't and he's still doing it i told him to get an apprenticeship with the blacksmith but he just didn't want to do it he wanted to go be a pirate i told him get a stable job maybe join if you want to be at sea join a merchant ship he wants to hang out with his friends 24 7 what am i supposed to do he wanted to go hang out with charles vane the cool kid on the block charles vane i think pirates just had the best branding in history like the names are cool the look is cool i know a lot of it's been uh polished up over time yeah like i know they probably didn't look and sound like what we know them as like it's so colorful and so like vibrant in uh how it's portrayed but i'm like i know it was all dirty and shitty yeah shit it was probably the grossest shit pirates were dirty but there is there is actually a lot of like there were pirates that were very like dirty pirates that were very like gaudy i mean uh very jack rackham um is a very famous pirate your name is meaning like covered in jewels and yeah and his nickname is called calico jack oh yeah yeah calico jack yeah calico jack because of just all the crazy clothes he wore like he just wore really beautiful like colorful gucci thing like big coats like gucci slides this guy's gonna die he's wearing gucci slides on a ship did he have like was he like draped in like linen like velvet tree big that was so hot big capes and cloaks big plumed hats like that was what like lots of jewelry um they say that pirates like a lot of pirates wore like a lot of expensive like gold jewelry and bangles so if they died at sea and their bodies washed up on shore they um whoever found them would like have like money to give them like a proper burial they would they would like what a crazy reason to wear expensive incredible they would like etch their names into pieces of the jewelry that they wore so that like if someone washed up they'd be like i want to but like this is where i'm from or where i want to be buried and they wait i i can't side note i really want like really really like two pairs of nice jewelry that i can etch that i can like pass on yeah i've always thought about that like engraving really nice pieces of jewelry that i can pass on forever and ever yeah what did you engrave where are you going to engrave on it should do something bitch slutty woman well we found the skeleton there's a necklace here it just says bitch on it tall bitch i know who that is the most famous pirate tall bitch bury this tall bitch in portugal okay i guess feast um i don't know i just always thought about like engraving my name on really nice pieces of jewelry and passing it on and on that'd be awesome you would have an heirloom yeah an heirloom you might be a pirate i mean i i'm obsessed with this so you told me to read it the amina book amina al-sarafi oh yeah that that book is awesome i love that book it's about a female pirate and the second book just came out of hers yes she wrote it years later tapestry of fate i'm going to read it but like that book is all about a female pirate who's retired and has to go back and save her daughter and and i i was like damn yeah it's cool it falls into the fantasy of like it's really fun uh because that's that's more it's pirate fantasy but ocean is that it's more like mediterranean yeah yeah uh like gorgeous colors and foods and um i love like pirate and just like ocean as a setting yeah right like it's such a fun like i know it's nowhere realistic but uh parts of the caribbean is just so fun like there's something so because the ocean is so mysterious yeah so people who are operating there i think that's what makes it fun is that like there's skirmishes and battles happening out on the ocean but they are all so outmatched by the environment they're in and that makes it so fun they're they're at the whim of that they're like we can only go if the wind permits it yeah we're only afloat if the ocean allows us to yeah like that makes it so fun yeah no i love i love pirate media amanda and i i will did we talk about this on the show maybe brought it up but black sails yep um the pirate show i watched i don't think i finished black sails but i watched a lot of it it's so good and you love that show it might be my favorite show of all time i think like it's so intense it's it incorporates like all like so many of like the very famous so the the the concept of the show is it's basically like a fictional well like um like uh uh prologue to um treasure island oh it follows captain flint because in in treasure island like the the protagonist or the the main characters like long john silver and jim hawkins um and they're trying to find captain flint's treasure so black sails follows captain flint and like the story of how he became a very like famous like infamous pirate because captain flint wasn't like a real pirate but in the show they have all he was like he was married he had a family and he they he didn't really want to do that yeah yeah yeah um he was like a former like naval captain and it's there were a lot of like former like navy men that became makes sense because you need a lot of training yeah and you need a ship like that's it was kind of the perfect uh storm to create this it's not like people could just be like oh i'm just gonna yeah grab a ship and go it's like that's such a yeah and like on uh like i was conditions like as far as like like being on a ship and being paid like conditions on pirate ships generally were better like and then in in like the british navy like the captain had like final authority on anything you could never question him um the pay was set and it wasn't based on like how much you actually plundered um because like pirates were given out like equal shares and so it's like you only had a certain amount and so like when the war ended and like a lot of these like navy guys were like like losing their jobs or whatever it's like yeah go go be a pirate yeah that show is so good it's also heartbreaking it is a brutal brutal they i think the reason i love that show so much is because it does have like all these famous pirates and from what i know like and have like read like they're pretty like accurate to like what they're like personalities and how they would be um but it just shows piracy in all of its like really cool like magnificent like sailing the seven seas and then also the really awful terrible gruesome parts and it just kind of paints it a very complete picture but it's like the best depiction of what we think it's kind of one of the only pirate shows though it's not uh yeah it's probably an expensive thing to make yeah right yeah um there's a scene in the show where they show like keel hauling do you know like what keel hauling is it sounds familiar is that a way of killing someone it's like a torture way of torturing or killing someone but basically what you would do is you would tie someone up by like their hands and feet ah and then drag them underneath the ship yeah and so like pirate so you must not have watched that far because they show they'd show this nope it is nope because there's barnacles that go like on the bottom like on the whole of a ship and they're sharp and hard and so they would pull people and drag them underneath the ship and their bodies would just get like shredded on barnacles like while being essentially drowned and they show it because i knew what it was but seeing it depicted in the show i was like that might be like one of the worst things yeah you could do to a person i'm glad i didn't get that far i guess it was insane watching it happen in that show there's so many moments too of just like where i'm just like hand over mouth like oh i need to watch at some point i think i watched a couple episodes it went for like two seasons right it was like five seasons oh really yeah it's a long show but it is like front to back the writing is incredible it's that actor is so good the the captain flynn yeah what else has he done he's a british i think so yeah no he's incredible i'm not gonna play this game where i go do you so do you have a favorite pirate do i have a favorite pirate that's such a good question good question that's such a thanks good good question yeah hey little pirate boy good question i think that you didn't like that i'm a little pirate boy i i know i'm a little sorry pirate man arg thanks avast um i really love uh so there's a there's kind of a group of pirates that that like all ran together um the like flying gang and it was like blackbeard and charles vane and ann bonnie mary calico jack they all kind of ran together i really love kind of like a hype house yeah but out on the exactly like a hype house bro kind of on the ocean actually like what's up i'm blackbeard and uh we're part of the flying gang um no i really love ann bonnie and mary reed i think they're so like badass uh i think in a time when like women truly were like just treated so terribly that's what i meant in the beginning because this is 1600 or this 1700s uh yeah the 1700s um and yeah i guess just for like two like women to be known as some of like the fiercest like how did they do you know how they ended up becoming pirates yes so i believe um ann bonnie if i remember correctly she was like born and they thought like they're they're like early a lot of pirates early lives aren't super well known basically she was like born in england and then brought to america kind of like secretly um and was raised in secret uh as like um a girl because they i think like it was something where like her her father whoever like they wanted her to be a boy and so killer and so they brought her to america but then she ended up like running off with like a guy that was a pirate um oh and i believe it's a similar story to mary reed like kind of just like rebelled against her father um i believe mary reed actually grew up and she pretended to be a boy for like a lot of her early years life and that just kind of led her to to being a pirate and continuing that facade um but incredible they ended up yeah meeting on a ship and they sort of found out like not by accident i think they kind of just clocked each other that they were like oh like you're a girl too girl what's up girl oh my god oh my god girl are you crazy this is awful what i'm doing they were probably so cool were they uh how vicious of pirates were they they were pretty i mean they were pretty pretty vicious there's a story uh that i love where uh mary reed had like this one i think like it was like the ship's carpenter he was kind of like her little boy toy and he got into it with like another person on the crew and if pirates had disputes um this is actually like in bartholomew roberts code but it was like you wouldn't fight on the ship if you had something to settle you'd settle it like in a duel on land so like pistols and swords has to be on land yeah you don't fuck up because you don't yeah you don't and so yeah of course of course you gotta protect the ship yeah um but yeah mary reed like the carpenter that she liked uh he like got into it with this other guy and they were gonna duel and mary was like don't worry don't worry little guy i got you and she went out on the beach and like dueled this guy for him and like just just slaughtered this other pirate for her little like damn that is a strong ass woman yeah she's like i got you did she kill him with a gun or a sword um i don't know it might have been a gun it might have shot him with the gun finished him off with the sword i feel like when you nice one two combo yeah well when your gun only has one shot just cut off his head at the end i mean you got to remember the gun only has one shot yeah you gotta make it get him in like the liver it's like well he's still kicking um one of my favorite anne bonnie stories actually uh and it's anne bonnie and mary reed and calico jack um they were they'd taken a prize and they were going to win a prize and they were going to win a prize and they but they were getting hunted uh by pirate hunters so this was kind of at the end of uh you know piracy was sort of coming to an end and they went into kind of this cove like where they'd like been safe before and all the crew just started drinking getting super wasted and anne bonnie and mary were like if something happens like these pirate hunters were on our tail like we have to be ready like you guys shouldn't be drinking sure enough they get found and basically anne bonnie and mary were like fighting to the bitter end um but everyone on the ship was drunk and they were just like surrendered um and so they all got captured and brought back to england like for trial and um anne bonnie's last words to calico jack uh because he like surrendered and her last words to him were if you had fought like a man you'd needn't be hanged like a dog she basically was like she basically was like this is what you get for being a little fucking i want that tattooed on my chest yeah that's sick like literally like raw as hell damn wait that was mary reed or that was that was anne bonnie so wait how did anne bonnie die um we don't know so there's a lot a lot of their fates are probably mysterious huh a lot of pirates kind of faded so she was supposed to be hanged but then she and it's not known again like there is no death record for anne bonnie or mary reed um because they claim to be their old women still alive yeah delman louise yeah they found him in the grand canyon how'd they get there no they they uh they claim to be pregnant and so the english like wouldn't hang a woman if uh if she was pregnant and so it's not like we don't have death records we don't know if they actually went through with it um or if like they think that they were pregnant i don't know they're a pirate they're probably lying i don't know anne bonnie was like with uh she like had like romantic relationships with calico jack that's something that was like known um but i mean pirates were very free people uh anne bonnie also had a relationship with mary reed and mary reed were like i'm pretty sure like doing mary they were all doing mary oh if you're out if you're on the ocean you're and bonnie was doing mary guys they're all doing each other yeah you're on a ship you got like a few options it's like all right we're all gonna and doing what when you say doing you you saw the show they're all fucking each other hey i love it i think it's incredible amanda they are fucking on the ship this is why i want to be a pirate it's essentially a nudist colony or there's all guys if you watch black sails there's so much boob and penis it's crazy yes that's why i loved it i need to finish it they are not they don't hold back on the fact and it's like it's real like they were just like hanging like if the pirates were going on shore they were spending their money drinking and at brothels and then they spend all their money it's like all right we got a new prize we we heard tell of a new ship we're gonna go on they're living i i think it's always funny like with history um it's like the scope of it is like you're going off with this group of people and this is the same with like armies back in the day yeah uh it's like you're going off and you're gonna be gone for years yeah you're probably not gonna come home it's like you're probably gonna have sex with whoever's around like yeah like that's probably what's going on like promise ring on any of these motherfuckers like yeah it's like dude the spartans went out to fight for years what do you think they're doing yeah i mean they got bigger things to worry about yeah like each other's penises they're like let me see you what size are you like bro let me get a look at your sword yeah now put your armor on and take it like you're gonna you could die at any moment you're hanging out like come on you're gonna have each other our swords in the brig later yo meet me in the brig later i love it shifting from sex really quick i did want to talk about i did want to talk about i want to talk about rum yeah uh were they all drinking rum is that like that was specifically the drink or is that that talked up or was it something different isn't that what was able to last on these ships for a really long time yeah I'm pretty sure rum just generally was it's what they were brewing like with the sugar yeah sugar cane i like don't know too much about like the way i know like tequila is obviously like agave i don't actually know the distilling process for rum is tea so rum is essentially um a bunch of spices and a bunch of tea that you mix together and then you can ferment that's all rum is interesting yeah um i love i have this uh like caribbean rum uh cocktail book you and your husband are drinking rum yeah i'm pretty sure rum just generally was it's what they were brewing like with the sugar yeah sugar cane i like don't know too much about like the way i know you and your husband love rum rum is h's favorite thing in the entire world and he's obsessed with the origin of rum everything about rum caribbean rum that's awesome should we call him in should we ask get him on in here let's get some shots of all the pirates were drinking rum i love that probably uh in especially in that era like 1700s into the 1800s that probably that might be one of the drunkest periods of human history oh people were drunk all the time i want to say it was 1830 that in the states there was like the peak of like drinking and they say it was something like people averaged like five shots of whiskey a day like i mean there's nothing else and it was like that last it was like a safety thing too it's like that's why in rome right they they pretty much everything they drink was alcoholic yeah because it was like that's how you kept it safe am i am i wrong about this but isn't um ipa india pale ale didn't they it didn't mean to be as hoppy but they had to keep it lasting for like it on the ship so they had to add more hops to it to make it last that's why it's called india pale ale i don't know anything i went on a deep dive i don't like ipas i love ipa i like i don't know i think i think a lot of these beers that were created like ipas sours um they were created out of necessity yeah yeah because it makes it last right it's kind of the same with like anything fermented i feel like was originally just so it's like yeah so stays safe but rum is rum is because of the spices and the teas yeah we're definitely gonna have a lot of we're gonna have like someone in the comments can be like alcohol expert here yeah alcohol expert just because they're drunk alcohol expert here so basically captain morgan spiced rum right now yeah let me tell you right now i couldn't i i captain and coke it happened in college and i can never go back to it ever again it was like my thing was never a rum like i like rum but i never it was never like my thing i don't know why it was that and bacardi i don't know why bacardi 151 my mom used to growing up when i was younger my mom would um she would do diet coke and because we only like had diet coke in the house we only drink diet coke she'd do diet coke and rum and she called it a skinny pirate that's like yeah that's good one time when i was a kid i like went into like uh i saw like a diet and i was like oh diet coke i'm gonna have a sip like i knew it was my mom's and i tasted it and i was like oh that tastes disgusting that's probably rough to find out later it was let me say though i will hire it as as i said i i can't do rum and coke again i i randomly did one like i i had a rum and coke two years ago and i was like this is delicious yeah it's it's kind of delicious it's very only with spice i i can only do a rum and coke with spice from the same dude white rum and coke is like same same same i wouldn't know i don't do them that i haven't had that that much there's not a real pirate sorry i'm not a real pirate you can't okay part of the flying gang sorry buddy sorry buddy that's a really cool name the flying gang yeah yeah were there other were there other names for like probably big groups of pirates yeah yeah there were there were other pirates like i said there was a flying gang there were the barbary corsairs but i mean there were a lot of like it made sense to kind of roll with a crew you know you had like a group of like like-minded individuals and they weren't all sailing together all the time they were just like they were just a unit so it's like blackbeard might be off on the other side of the world but and then if they're but then you know there would be times when they would like coordinate if there was like you know a treasure like a spanish treasure fleet they might be like hey we got tell there's going to be these there's like a big treasure galleon and there's two you know big warships guarding it let's get the gang together and we'll all go out and like try and make this happen did did these like famous ones like blackbeard did they only operate around the caribbean or did they travel around the whole world um they mostly operated in the caribbean i think sometimes they they would go uh uh pirates would also they go up and down the coast of like uh america as well yeah yeah um like north america pillaging and plundering colonies this is kind of a crazy question but like where do they get their ships um valid question you know what i mean like they have all these ships is it just they started with one ship that they had and then they kind of stole other ships and it became part of their fleet yeah i think that was mostly it was like they like one someone would have a ship would buy a ship whatever they would be a merchant turned pirate however they got their ship or like a naval ship that then they yeah yeah yeah and then yeah you would you would like plunder other ships if they had a nicer ship you could take it for your own um or you could just like use like the money that you got to like repair and upgrade your ship um but yeah a lot of it was just taking other people's stuff are you interested in knowing where like shipwrecks are to this day like are there any famous shipwrecks that you're super interested in not that i'm super interested i know there are like very famous shipwrecks and that you can like i'm pretty sure that like you can do dives and they found like like old like spanish treasure galleons and stuff aren't they discovering new ones all the time yeah like there are a countless amount of yeah shipwrecks yeah and and pirates would like they would plunder shipwrecks that's like something like if a ship like they had diving how how so do that because without the modern modern gear well they had they had old diving gear like back in the 1700s so they had diving bells and basically to to my knowledge um what you it was basically like a giant like metal thing and you would drop it in the water and it would go down because it was really heavy and it would trap air inside of it and so then you would go down essentially with this diving bell and then you would plunder it and then you would plunder it and then you would plunder it and then you would take a breath and then swim around and then you'd like go back up for air into like this diving bell that they'd lowered down it essentially like free dive with a little bit of oxygen down that is terrifying first of all the bends uh you know they're like going so yeah but they're pirates they're just built different what the hell they can just handle that like when you free dive and then you go up that quickly i guess they weren't they obviously weren't down there that long if you're down there yeah i think also like i i think also they're not going down there massive depths it has to be that they could probably see 30 or maybe 40 feet max max yeah around the caribbean islands like and stuff like and in the spanish main there was a lot of like you know shallow shipwrecks and that's a reason also that there were shipwrecks like you would go into shallow waters and there might be jagged rocks that like you didn't see or whatever or going over um another shipwreck like that was one thing in the show uh in in black sails that they depict is um the british actually scuttled a bunch of ships in like the harbor of nassau so that the pirates could sail through so when they went to sail their ships they just hit these other ships under wow pretty pretty genius i mean that's what they say is the bermuda triangle not not shipwrecks but it's actually they're like oh spooky bermuda triangle all these ships always go down but it's actually like a formation of volcanoes or or crazy reefs and they're in the center of it and it's like a almost like a what is that called a whirlpool yeah situation so it's not like it's haunted or spooky it's just what's underneath and then ships always wreck their ocean yeah do you um i remember reading once that they were like we think blackbeard's treasure is buried like in south carolina and i was like that's what crazy because like as you said they go up and down the coast but it's like i wonder how much buried treasure there is just out there in the in on land yeah yeah well so there's actually there was only one actual recorded historical instance of a pirate burying treasure and it was william kidd um and he essentially used it as a bargaining chip um so he was a privateer technically and he sailed around the coast of africa um and he was supposed to be like not plundering british ships but so much of the commerce in that area was like british ships and the british like east india company and so his crew got restless they're like we see all these stacked british ships and like we want to like take them as a prize and he william kidd had basically done kind of a shady deal with some magistrates and like like uh members of like government in england to be like hey we'll like kind of give you a secret letter of mark almost and like you just pay us like kind of under the table like some some money that like from the ships that you plunder but then like william kidd's crew was threatening to to mutiny him and so he's like all right well i just gotta attack an english ship now and so he got all this treasure but then the english were after him and so he buried his treasure to basically when he brought when he like insurance yeah to be like well if you kill me like you won't know where my treasure is um so smart and then they killed him anyway yeah so now his treasure's just buried somewhere could be if he was being honest yeah his treasure oh right that's why they killed them so there's likely by that logic why would most pirates bury their treasure it's most likely the only treasure that's hidden out in the world is in shipwrecks yeah i think like realistically pirates were like they were using the money using the money that they were earning and for like a lot of the like more successful pirates like either they were dying or like henry every he just disappeared yeah he just disappeared after his like huge prize he disappeared and like we don't really know what happened to him but it's actually a lot of the very common kind of pirate tropes come from treasure island and robert louis stevenson um even the pirate uh voice yeah is not like a that comes from the treasure island movie right yeah yeah yeah like pirates probably were like hanging out just like talking like this yeah yeah yeah i think like in black sails it's probably like the way that they talk like i think just like anyone else a little bit not nothing's super crazy though yeah no they don't talk like super piratey it's more of just they didn't have a specific there wasn't like a pirate accent like it's just like they all were just like british people yeah exactly um but just made up an entire language essentially yeah i mean he he made up like x marks the spot on a treasure map that was like buried treasures and oh the best thing ever popularized most most i feel like so many tropes do come from fiction yeah and it's funny because he was just like kind of fascinated with pirates and they're the one um i can't remember the guy who wrote it but a lot of the kind of stuff that we have like the first-hand accounts of pirates comes from a book called the general history of pirates i think um um but the the the party line on it is sort of like it is embellished in that book as well like there are things and it's like okay like that might not have happened right there was embellishment happening but it is like kind of the most like cohesive like kind of representation of like first-hand accounts that's where we get like bartholomew roberts pirate code is like it was like you know recorded there um yeah no i i think just like in general there's there it's hard to know exactly what things were like i think we have a pretty good picture but when something in real life because i truly think that pirates in real life were crazy like so much of it is based in truth and so it's hard like for us to be like okay how do we separate like the truth from the embellishment because i think that so much of the crazy stuff is also true um yeah do you wish that you were a pirate no god no it had to have sucked so bad i don't think there's a pirate just like you're just an admirer from afar you just enjoy the history of it i would love to be able to like live on a pirate ship like with god mode turned on yeah where i'm like invincible like in a video game like i can like i'm in creative mode like i can just kind of get up and fly around but like to see like an actual like naval battle or pirates boarding ship that'd probably be the coolest thing ever i would never yeah i wouldn't there's no time in history that i'd want to go actually like live in right uh no matter who you are in those eras but it's like if you could travel and have like a protective bubble around you and just be an observer yeah of any era it's like fun to like would that be the era that you pick for sure yeah yeah if i could have a a protective bubble just observe an era of history i would love to have seen the pirates what about you i don't know if i would pick that just like as a as a woman but well no i'm saying you're you're not like actually there or seen if you have a protective bubble and you get to go and just observe any moment in ancient egypt okay thousand percent which time in ancient egypt um it's around for so long i know isn't it crazy that cleopatra's closer to our time than she was to ancient like the pyramids being built yeah i don't think i'd want to be around the pyramid time not the pyramid i i feel like pharaohs like i don't know what what what era that is um there's so many it was i don't think it's like early early early early early that feels like a lot of you're thinking closer to labor to watch you're thinking closer to cleopatra time yeah more i want to i want to like be involved in the politics and the royalty and the and the uh traditions that they have and the like almost like the um superstitious like where that all came about and it's like i'm really really really into that but again i am really into pirate times because i'm into like sailing and like my my papa and my uncle both were sailors my papa had like a pretty pretty big size ship sail sailboat that he had that my sisters used to go on all the time and like i'm really into that era but i feel like i just i wouldn't want to miss out on that era of egypt yeah yeah what about you man i do to see ancient greece yeah uh ancient persia just to see things like to go back like really far like i would love to see like mesopotamia assyria like there's just like old civilizations there was a museum in um la i forget the museum but they had a whole mesopotamia exhibit that and it was epic and h and i went and they uncovered stones with specific mesopotamia like the cuneiform and everything yes and it was like they broke down what it was saying and it was it was like such an epic exhibit oh uh and then also to like see like um aztec incan mayan like oh yeah because just just ones where it's like we we can decipher pretty well what life was like but to really go and like see it and also i think like what i would love is any ancient history and probably any time in history is to go and just like chill on a random street and just see people like living daily life yeah because i think we have this i we portray things as being so different right it's like no people were do like they we are huge they're still human right yeah um to go back as far as you could right because they say i think it's like uh i remember reading once it's like if you went back 50 000 years and took a baby from back then and brought them to the modern era and raised them that they would be not as that they would be indistinguishable as far as personality this was then i might that might be off but it's like the human brain is has been this way for a long time right it's not like 50 000 years ago we were different it's like no that was yeah they were humans so it's like to just see and then to be able to understand the language yeah if i if i'm like in this uh fictional thing that i'm doing we're like we're in a bubble that get the trans ciphers that translates that does everything and to just like hang out and see like someone's daily life and they can't see you and they can't see me no but i can interact with the drinks and food okay yeah so i get to drink i get to drink their alcohol and your boots and go in and be like let me just no i would i would kill to be able to be like what's their food like you know like what is what would be what's the nicest dish from that era yeah that i can have so interesting like what's it like um how like give me a side by side like give me a mcdouble and then whatever they were eating and like who has it better and then you have the ability to give them a mcdouble oh my god i have gotten a message from god wow this was incredible like you knew so much i mean i didn't doubt you but i learned so much thank you this is awesome um thank you trevor so much thank you for having me no this was this was lovely i love i love nerding out about about pirates specifically but about history in general i'll come talk about anything bro yeah you really are like well versed come bring me on for the greco-persian wars fuck yeah oh i love that history part two i love that yeah that's the stuff i was learning about recently um well hell yeah happy birthday thank you thank you birthday thank you for giving us the this gift of pirate knowledge yeah for your birthday time it's so beautiful i love sharing i love sharing beautiful enriching conversations with my friends me too too yar arg all right all right bye see you later