134 - Wanpraktijken bij nannybureau

<i>Donnie Media</i> Juke Wynia, in her sub-stack "Newsbrief". "Abstemmen met Matthijs". Every Wednesday, Matthijs and I have lunch at Hotel de Dylan. They're stuck at The Heeregracht. This extra overview came to the attention of the spin-office in 2012... ...when the team grew bigger and more programs developed. With the latest news about the lineup and a list of new projects... ...I went around an hour or 12 o'clock to the centre of Amsterdam. Hungry, he was waiting for me. He was very strict about his weight... ...sports a lot and very little. Usually, he ordered eggs with two eggs, without bread. When I had something to eat for lunch, he couldn't stand for me... ...to pluck up the leftovers from my bowl. In the meantime, we were able to speak quietly and without listening. It was rough on the afternoon hours. 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This is episode 134 of The Kram Conversations. Not The Kram Conversations. This is episode three of The Kram Conversations. Exactly. -134 of The Shit Show... ...and the third episode of Our Kram Conversations. There are still six to go in total, so we all have something for the book. It's so nice that we've got more male viewers. I say a lot more male viewers. You notice it really lives under men. Yes, it's really fun. -And I really like that. Stef, today we're going to talk about the Nanny office. Do you want to say something about it? -Yes. I'll tell you how the Nanny office is called right away. Just a minute for the viewers who are just entering. You have a daughter of zero. And you're a mother for eight weeks now. -Yes, that's right. So, well, then you know where we're standing. Yes, and the point is, my friend and I were looking for a Nanny. And someone asked what the difference is between a Nanny and an office. And I have to tell you very honestly, I wouldn't know. Yes, I think we're looking for a neighbor here. And a Nanny person who also has a diploma, or a certificate. Yes, well, I don't think that's the case. I don't know exactly. But in any case, I had asked a Nanny in January. I would count it as a May. In January, I had approached a Nanny via via. He said, I don't know what I'm going to do in June. Because I thought, since June, I would like to have a Nanny. I would like to recommend a May. Well, I think you said that. Does everyone at the time say, I don't know what I'm going to do? So you can try it then, but no guarantee. Well, I thought that was a bit exciting. Because I thought I wanted to start the show again. I wanted to write again. Yes, just do things again. So pick up your own life. Pick up your own life again, emancipation. I was in the green Amsterdam, that's a leaf on the left. I had made an appointment for a Nanny. What do you think? No reactions. The whole left-wing world feels too good for my baby. I couldn't take a photo of it then. But did you know that you were a left-wing columnist? I don't think so. I just think that I have a family, but that's good. In any case, no reactions. I gave out a lot of money, but I don't care much. Then I had to keep looking. Then I asked someone, do you know where I can do such an appointment for a Nanny? They said, yes, I know someone who has founded a company. Korals Kitzker. I had already received a viral message on Instagram. Namely, someone who offers a night Nanny, who comes to give her a bottle at night. Well, that still led me a long way, but I thought, well, she has a office with Nannies. A Nanny office. And I was looking for Nannies. And those Nannies, that was said on the website, were all in beige and white. Very rustling colors, all serene. Very professional websites with all laughing Nannies. Well, you know, I also love laughing a lot. And those Nannies looked very happy, so I think they are taken care of very well. It was on the website that they all did an EHBO course. Then I thought, well, that seems to me very good, they are then young. Then it all looked very young, but it was all an EHBO course. And all pedagogical students, or HBO, or university. I didn't notice anything. So then there was a button on the website of those very beautiful buttons. Then there was a conversation with the owners. It was then €120 and a conversation with a client. I don't know how they called Bianca, it was €80. What did you choose? The best, owners, €120 per dock. In-teak conversation with Coral via Zoom. Paying money for an in-teak. I thought, yes, I think it was a certain lack of care. I thought it was professional. I saw it as professional. American professional, I had also been linked to Americans. I think they looked at it from the outside and they just do it right. So I paid €120, well, I was able to do the same thing with Coral Zoom. I said in the night, no, that's not true, but there was a dog on the floor. So it was a very homey atmosphere. And I went to Zoom with her, I also liked that, because I had to do that with my belly. So I said, yes, we have 100 nannies and she then set it up. I thought I had to drop it at Quote, what is this, good? They all had an EHBO and then, what are you looking for? And I said, well, I need extra help, because I also have to tell her. I said, I already need help. So then they said, well, that can be arranged. Well, at such a conversation, I thought, yes, like I talked for 24 years. She used to have it in her commandment. That was one of those people who asked that question. Three weeks later, she said, she had her own arrest. I said, hey, how is it? Emoticon from the sun, very happy. I found a nanny for you, an American, is that a problem? No, we didn't find it a problem, because we are quite internationally established. So I thought... - I think it's good. And it's also nice to lose that she is immediately raised in two languages. That's what I thought too. And so I had contact with that American nanny. And she had a very friendly photo on her app. Just a photo in which she was very happy in a boat. Yes, I had nothing to do with it. I phoned her for an appointment, she phoned back to the Americans. Oh, that's so I'm really looking forward. I'm also very happy that she has so much to do with it. So then we talked about a date. I don't think that worked, because then the Americans said, hey, sorry, but I took full time at the family where I work now. So then I immediately thought, oh shit, that was very good. But yeah, I didn't have to do that yet, so I didn't have a real pain. So I said to Koral, I said to her, I said to the owner of the office, I need a new nanny, because the nanny you're wearing will feel like she's working somewhere. So I said, then I think I have another match for you. I'll take a look, I'll be back tomorrow. Then the next day they came back with Milou. And Milou, I immediately got a CV from her. And Milou, the whole CV of Milou, she was 24 years old too. The whole CV of Milou was written about. She wanted to be written very clearly, she didn't want to. She was working with the debut man, but she also wrote about the debut man. And then the name. - Then you know it. It was nowhere to be found. Then we had a conversation, and then you go home. Atlas Kontakt, I know all the names of the publishing company, but then we had a conversation, so why did you put that on a CV? It was all about the language they spoke. Well, everything was actually 100 languages. And then somewhere I saw art in words. I also found it very special, I think, and she had done philosophy. I think, well, that's a lot. So I sent it to you. I said, is that handy, do you think, someone who also wants to write? Because I immediately feel something intimate. Because I think, yes, they want to be in a scene where I sit in. That seems a bit too much for me, but well, I thought, we're going to see. Then there was a reference on the CV. A reference from someone I know. Yes, someone. - You sent it to me? Yes. - And what did I say then? Oh yes, you said "knetterjack". That's right, "knetterjack", I wouldn't start with that. But I thought, well, I went to the reference app, because I just have them in my contact. So that was someone from a publishing company again. Which is of course very strange, because I was looking for a nanny. But well, I sent that person from the publishing company. That person said, love girl, but was often absent. So, all in all, he said, I wouldn't advise him directly. I thought it was crazy, if he gave it up as a reference, then I don't know what your reference is. So that's not the image you have. Then I called the owners of the nanny office. And I said, hey, I still have someone else, because I have my thoughts. Oh, I would really like to know what. And it wasn't allowed for six hours, so no pedagogy. Pedagogy? - No, no. I thought it was all her. - Yes, I thought so too. No, there was philosophy and eight words. And then the owners said, I don't have anyone else. And actually, I would like you to meet each other anyway. Because you have a very matching energy. Well, I was very sensitive for that, Jan. I think we have a matching energy, that's what it's all about us. Yes, so I was 38 in a week, because I didn't want to let it go. That was also because you were going anyway. Because I thought I didn't want to do my best. So I didn't drink coffee with Milu. And I decided to do it outside my house, around the corner. And I was 38 in a week, because of my pregnancy. That's the only way you can do it. - Yes, and I was very tired that week. I couldn't do anything else. So drinking that coffee, that was already on the day before. It was already a huge effort that I had to drink coffee at 11 o'clock the next morning. I already knew that we weren't going to do that. So I asked her to come to my corner after a coffee tent, at 11 o'clock. At 11 o'clock, she said, "I'm on my way." That seemed to me an euphemism. "I'll be late." When I arrived at 11 o'clock, I already had a coffee. Then I thought, and she didn't say anything about it, that she was a quarter late, but I'm on my way. So then I thought, "This is completely stupid." And I said to myself, "I really have to be on my way before 12 o'clock." "Because I have to go to another appointment." I was already happy about it. So we were a bit, I think I have to ask myself, you know. I asked myself a bit of the background. And I said, "And I saw that you are eight in a row." "Then I was going to take a look." Then she said, "Yes, I have to adjust that." "Because I was out of breath." So I thought, "Oh yeah, okay." And then I asked some other questions. I thought, "No, we're really not going to do this." This is fantastic. This is fantastic. And you have it on any course, you have those who are there. And indeed they can still be very sweet, but then we're not going to start. Oh yes, I also forget the important thing to say. She had adjusted somewhere and she said, "Do you want a reference from that?" Before we went to talk, I said, "Yes, of course, I'm not going to say no." She said, "Oh, sorry, I can't get my wife to pick me up." But here there were a few app conversations between us. And then I got app conversations where that mother said, or the mother of the app address said, "It's nice that you came yesterday evening." That was the reference. Well, I thought that was still there. So I said at home again, I wanted to call the Nenny office again. I said, "I'm not going to do this, this is not a match." Then the Nenny office said to me an hour later, "Hey, how was your coffee with Milou?" I said, "Well, I still have the same idea. This is not a match." So you have someone else. So she said, "No, but look further, because I don't have anyone, look further." And then I said, "Yes, maybe you'll give me the money back." I didn't get any reaction from that. I had to suffer for three weeks. And at some point I was so sad, and then I had to do it again. "Maybe you'll give me the money back." But at night I was so angry at some point, because I thought I was so tired. You send me, "Why am I going to do that?" "Drinking coffee with someone from the TV already knows you're crazy." And then... - And a bad reference. A bad reference, which is also very strange. And then I also don't get any reaction from the journalists, even though they're all over the place, and I have to pay for everything. But I find it very strange when a journalist says to a journalist, "Your reference isn't good, she didn't check it." This is someone who offers her. - Yes. And that's why I call her the name. There are other practices of Nina Kerr, which are on the NOS. Those are real cowboy practices at her company. And this is the same company again, so we're not going to start. I'm just going to say what the name is, because it's just dangerous. Then I went to look at Google at night, because I had a bad laugh, I swung and was angry. I went to those reviews, and I think it's strange, they all have good reviews. All five stars. Well, apparently you can also buy those reviews, because when I googled that name, I came out on a Moroccan singer in Morocco. Really? - Yes. And there was all my... - Really? And someone who knows a lot of those SEO terms, you know. They said it's all about safety, EBO, security. So those are all terms that came back in every review. It was also very careful reviews, well, that's almost right. So I thought, well, that's very strange. So I said to her, "It's weird that you bought your reviews in there." Because I'm not just going to google it, it doesn't react. "Hey, it's a shame it didn't work out between us." "I can help other families, I can help them." And then I had my approval, you get a report like this, with a little sun again and such a floating heart. And then, a week later, I still didn't have my money back. While I had paid 230 euros for nothing. Because I also had to... I didn't tell you about that. I had to pay 130 euros for that American nanny, for the registration. Also very clear, I just paid, right? So I was very blue myself. But you're very pregnant. - Yes, very pregnant. But then I went to google it again, a week later. And then I saw that those 5 stars went to 4.7. So I thought, hey, there are negative reviews added, I was on top of that. Then I saw that two experts, exactly the same complaint as me. Namely, they got a nanny. They couldn't, because they were taken somewhere else. Then they got another nanny. Well, that didn't work out, I think, for some reason. And then they also wanted the money back, and they didn't get it. So then I said to Coral, "Now you're going to make my money back today." "I'll send you a ticket, make it easy." "Now make it over, because I'm done with your NAP account." But they have a really good PR, they have a piece in the telegraph. They have a piece, I know for sure, they have a really good PR. It all looks really good. So I give them credit for that. But it just doesn't work out. It's horrible shit. Because now Lore is born, and I don't think I would let this happen anymore in 24 years. From a office, I think. But it's so... You want something so different for your child. Of course. But this is really bad, so in and in bad. So bad? -When she doesn't get her nanny, she comes with a nanny. And she doesn't have a good PR, so she hasn't checked herself. You say it, and if there's anything else you want to talk about. With matching energy? -Yes, then you're fine. If you're fine, then you're bad. -Yes. Then it doesn't matter if you're matching or if it's someone else. But you just want money. -You just want money. And I think that experts will not be able to pay over €230 so quickly. And I've done that, so I have it back. But I don't think experts will do that for a very long time. And one week later, Timilou had herself put a review on Google. So she worked so well with Coral's Kidscare. Yes, sickly. They all had a very nice family. Well, she had trouble with a reference, asking for one family. So this is just walking practices. And I had that American nanny in my app. And then suddenly I saw a very weird profile. You go through your things and you see something else in your... How do you say that in your app? -In between the photos. So I clicked on it with that American nanny. And there was a very weird bikini photo where she was looking really cool in the camera. You sent it to me. -Yes. Well, I had to put an end to it almost with my M. So, well, I'm very happy that you put this on. Yes, and that I'm the first one who is really on the track. But now you do have a good nanny. Now I do have a good nanny, because then I asked for that nanny from Johnny Wari. Because, yes, I was almost at the end. So, and she could now in June. -Oh. Yes, that's all right. That was very nice. Well, then we go to the view of the week and our warm messages. But first we're going to bring our knackers. Yes, there we are again. And then we are at the view of the week. Well, we read the sub-stack of Duke Winia with a lot of pleasure. Yes. Yes, a lot of pleasure. Yes, I met her. -How was that? It was fun. We went to Ajax together, together with Henk. It was really fun. I found a very nice woman. We met once again at Boekebal. We went to the photo together. We found each other so nice. And... -It was really nice to see you so involved in the show. Well, I thought it was a very nice woman, but I hear a lot of people who worked with her. They didn't like such a nice woman. That's when I heard that. And we have an insight for Duke and that's... I'm proud of it. I think it's really going smoothly with everything. Yes, and you also get crazy about Matijs. I get a little crazy about Matijs. Because cycling away from a joint lunch, two together, that's the point. Matijs. -And also very denigrating to Duke. Yes, denigrating and then we have to talk about Matijs as well. Matijs, that's really weird. -That's really weird, yes. Because then you can better say, I want to make my thoughts clear. And I'm going to say something. -I want to cycle separately. Then you can better say. -Then someone has to cycle behind you. As an idiot. -Yes, very strange. So, I also have, when I sometimes read it with her to do, that I think, yes, this is also very strange how it has gone, but... I think I read Ludwig, you also got sent. -Yes, you also got sent. This is from Bees Gebij, written by Jana Antonissen, that's a Belgian in Flemish. And... -Jana Antonissen. Jana Antonissen, yes, that's a Flemish. And she writes about a Ludwig and the "Ik person" in a kind of society. We don't know exactly what's going on, but he would do a theater show. And there is also a mythological situation. And she writes about it, from the "Ik person". Now I had googled her, and she seems to be in a sort of the same... ...maybe not in a less intense situation, so she also reflects on things... ...that she herself has experienced and her own role in it. And I think it's funny, because that's a part of fiction. Of course, Jouke doesn't have that, so she can't write these things up. But she doesn't have that much regret. -Funny, yes. That's also fun. -Yes, and she also sometimes finds it a bit absurd. So she writes, for example... The problem with such a much-used key word as "difficult limits"... ...is that the filling is quickly eliminated. In all its newness, the term doesn't seem very robust... ...which makes it easy to walk out and get watered. And I had to think a lot about Jouke thinking about the situation in the world... ...that I had to think of... ...maybe it was also a very interesting novel for me. She had a lot more freedom... ...to not share a certain role in it, if you understand what I mean. I understand what you mean. -So in this role... ...she also tries to explain what happened there. But she also tries to play a little bit of freedom. Well, she tries to play freedom herself. -She plays freedom herself... ...and that makes it less intense. I think this is a great insight. I think it's one of the strongest insights... ...of the 134 episodes. -Leis Loetwig is also a tip for Jouke Wiener. I think she can put a lot of effort into it. -It's a shame, because she's too late. She can now... -She can go on a nice tour with that pen. Because she has a lot to do with the pen. I feel that. Well, I have the feeling that we're in the beginning of the new letters. It's also fun for us, by the way, that we're going to start with it. Before we go to the warm message, we're going to go to our KNAK rubric. See you. Yes, Jan, we're at the Advertisement. I think it's one of the best rubrics. Me too. -I also hear a lot from our viewers. Yes, I also hear a lot from them. What I like about it is that Bol has a Kobo+ and with Kobo+ via Bol... ...you can go to Leis Kater on holidays. Have you heard of it? Certainly. -That you just fall into a hole. You have one book out, and you just don't know what to do anymore. You don't have another book with you. -Yes, it's a kind of empty reading. And more and more people come over, because more and more people are going to read. Through the shit show. What I like so much is that several books by Sally Rooney... ...are on Kobo+. -Yes, so if you've started with one... ...you can go on with the other one. -If you really have the taste to take... ...and that can be a good case in this bookshelf, you can just continue. The benefit of Kobo+ via Bol is that it's really an subscription. And that's for a certain amount from 11.99 per month. And then you can just keep reading endlessly and just look at how long a series lasts. Yes, where does it end? -Where does it end? You can try it in one go. It's free for 30 days via Bol. That's really handy, especially this summer. And you also have... ...that's also really fun, a fun fact. You have more than one million titles to choose from. That's not to be expected. -No, that's not for the push. How many books can that be? -Not normal. Well, try Kobo+ now. For 30 days via Bol, go to bol.com/koboplus... ...or click on the link in our show notes. We're here. Steph, you have a warm message for us. I have a warm message. I've watched a lot of TV shows. I really had a lot of time in the KRAAM weeks. You have six official KRAAM weeks. And I don't want other mothers to hear "I'm back to work, I'm in week eight." Anyway, I watched them. That was my tip when I was expecting someone... ...more than expected. That's an EO-program. Do you know what it's about? -No. It's about people who get more kids than expected. I was really surprised because this is a theme. I didn't think of anything like that. -And something like that. Yes, something with kids. They don't get one, they get three. -A tri-ling? Yes, a tri-ling. A tri-ling in the people's mouth. And I think I'll say four or five next. All with a tri-ling. If you get one child, that's a tip, then you have to watch this program. One child doesn't have a reason for it at all. To be honest, I think it's a good thing to do until now. I made it for my mother when she said, "I find that a bit confusing." Then I thought, "Why? We're already on week six." I don't think there's a problem. -And you don't listen to her? No, I only listen to her at night. That's a shame, because I see her every night. I wanted to go to bed six weeks earlier than usual. I thought I'd go to bed at 6.30 a.m. and then go to bed at 8 a.m. And now I think, "Oh, how is that night going to turn out?" That's the only thing I'm against. I'm really against options. Anyway, more than expected. She also follows a single mother with a tri-ling. And that tri-ling is called "Fate, Charity and Hope." Oh, yes. That's why I think they came up with the EO. And so much respect for that single mother. How does she do that? Then you have three sick children. Then you see camera images, they're taken at night with their own camera. Then you see the children jangling, pain, snoring. And then you see the Tatjana, the mother, with things you can suck out. Where you can suck out snoring for your child. You see that kind of pericles, too. And there are people who... Some of the women who have it under control very well. But in any case, it's two seasons. So you really see them as a baby, and now I open one... The same people? -Yes, the same people. That's fun. Do you see them grow up in front of your nose? -I see them grow up. But it's a lovely program, because it relativizes so much of the things you have to do. Because they can really... -And maybe they're not so nice, what you're saying. I think so. I think it's nice that I have respect for them. I myself had something, when someone told me, "Oh, Jan, there's someone who got a three-linger." I also had the child. And she already has two children. She wanted one more, she got a three-linger. She always has an account on Instagram, you really have to follow her. I was free to search for it. I really liked that. It was perfect for each other. Everything went perfect there. It wasn't fun to look at. There were five children in total. There wasn't a single form of stress. The children were always beautiful, nice-looking, fun-looking. I was completely crazy when I looked at them. It wasn't fun at all, because that's what I liked about this program. That's what I hoped for. Here you can really see... I think that's one woman. She has... I mean, three children, but that's not really different in this program. But she has three girls. They're incredibly cute. You just want to eat them. And I see that father. He's also represented by those girls. They're going to make up for each other. They want to make up for their father as well. It's kind of like a motherly man. And then it's kind of like, yeah, just do it. But the mothers, they also think they're very cute, but they're kind of strict. And the mother is someone who has everything together. She makes bread rolls, looks for a chak-chak-chak. She goes on vacation with her family. She thinks she'll stay at home. She's going to Turkey. She's going to meet the boys. Oh, and those fathers say, "You really have to do that." You'll see. We're going to use everything. She has 24 sets for those kids. She took them with her. And then they're all organized. I really think that's a great program. - Nice stuff. What's your message? - I had the new... Or at least not the new one, but the new translated book from Marlon Housover. From the wall I once told about. Did I start? - Yes. I thought it was a bit cumbersome. - Yes, it's very cumbersome. But a couple out of 20. - Yes, it's very cumbersome. But it's written so well. And the movie that your mother said, I had to watch it too. In any case, I hope it's always the same book. That's something you never have to do in life, but you do it a bit. It's a very different subject. It doesn't seem so strange to me. But I had to get there because I had to get there in this book. It was so hard for me because I was so sleepless lately. But then, on the first page, there were a few sentences... where you know she can write so well. I had this from Marijn Hoogkamp, she's a director at a publishing house. She likes books, but she doesn't like her own publishing house. Does she do that on Instagram? - Yes, she used to do that on Twitter. And sometimes she did her book, so I asked her that right away. That's how I am. I'm going to ask her. And then I asked her that I was going to read it, and she said... "I found this book even better, so I still have to read other books." Because this woman has played a lot of books. I read a little bit about this book in The Volkskrant. And that this was earlier than the wall. So this book is earlier than the wall? - Yes, but she just discovered it. She's going to tell everything again. - Oh, that's good. But here's a sentence that I know she can write well. One of the reasons why Ms. Pfluger, Katie Katte... ...she's Austrian, always chose her own daughter over her. Maybe she kept a lot of women, like many women, from girls... ...or did she keep them from her dead girlfriend? Well, not from girls, but from an observation point of view. As soon as the gray eyes of her girlfriend look at her from a small boy's face... ...Kate Pfluger felt a bit confused. She sighed over her golden brown hair and forgot what she was doing. She didn't know it was just a secret that came up in her mind. And because she never learned how to think... ...and immediately forgot all her thoughts, she never came back. Nice. - Very nice, very nice. All of those sentences. - Nice cover as well. A handful of life, that's what it's called. And apparently we have to read all those other books from Househofer. I'm going to follow Marijn Hoogekamp, because I don't think I'll do that. It's weird, I do follow her on Facebook, but she doesn't. A lot of tips for people. - And that for the summer vacation. Are you already a kilo lighter? - I'm 11 kilos lighter now. There's nothing left of you? - No. That's a huge step. You don't have to ride other mothers. No, no, no. That's why I don't want to take a bikini photo. No, no, very good. That's not fun for the rest of us. We'll see people next week, right? - Yes, next week. They can subscribe to our podcast if you want to tell us. And they can follow us on social media. - We also have a picture on Instagram. Can you show us? - Yes. Sometimes we do a nice snippet. - A snippet, yes. See you next week, I say. - See you next week, I say. Bye.