10/23/26: Midterms Bloodbath w/ Richard Ojeda, TX Voters Overwhelm Polls With Huge Turnout, AI Doomsday Hacks

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(laughing) - We're doing a hard J this morning. - Same with life as a daughter of West Virginia dad. So, there you go. (laughing) - And that's all correct. - So, are gonna be looking down at Texas. We've got Theo from Twitter, x.com, who's doing a lot of incredible data, specifically on the Texas race. And as Crystal alluded to, if you're still listening to this, that means the internet is still on for now, but there are a lot of alarm bells being sound in terms of AI exposing the majority of the internet, bank accounts, and a whole bunch of other great stuff that creates the infrastructure of society is now exposed to AI hackers. We'll be looking at a lot more of that. But let's turn to a much more calm topic, the midterms. I've got a few things that we should start off with here, but I did just have sort of a roundup of organizations and their congressional control forecast. This is from Zachary Dunini, who's gonna be on the show later next week, but he says, by Silver Bulletin, has a 95% chance of Democrats taking the House and a 76% chance of Democrats taking the Senate, 50 plus one, that's 99% House, 75% Senate. This split ticket is 89% House, 65% Senate, and vote hub is 88% House and 60% Senate. - Yeah, I mean, it's easy at this point to kind of take for granted that Democrats have a very strong chance to win back the Senate, but it's worth reminding that going into this, everyone was looking at the landscape, just of the map, that they would have to prevail in going, I don't think so, like y'all are gonna win Alaska, and Ohio, and Texas. - Texas. - I don't think so, right? That is the level of what it takes for Democrats to be able to take back the Senate. And at this point, every major analyst is saying that is more likely than not. And then, so that's already a crazy scenario. Democrats winning Texas is already a crazy scenario. And now we have, it seems like every day, there's a new state that's like, maybe that one's in play, maybe Mississippi is in play, maybe Kansas is in play, maybe South Carolina is in play. You're looking at the early vote coming in, and this is part of why we're gonna have Zachary Dunian next week, 'cause he's one of the few people I trust to actually do this in an adequate fashion, and not just cherry pick and look for what they wanna see. But early vote is looking very much like the polls have been looking. So the notion that there is going to be this big polling miss, a 2016 or 2020 or 2024 style polling miss, that is underestimating Republicans. Well, when we talk to Rich Barris yesterday, who's a mega friendly pollster, who called those particular misses correctly, he says, I think it's more likely it goes in another direction. I think it's more likely that the polls are underestimating Democrats. That's what he said. And again, this is someone who has called the other cycles where the mainstream polls were incorrect. He called them correctly. I wanna put this up on the screen, 'cause frankly, I think this might be the most important metric that we can look at here, going into the elections. Look at the price of oil this morning. Brent crude at 114, a barrel. This is approaching. Scroll down, scroll down. What are you looking for? 10-year treasury yield. That's not on there. It's a very, very top, right? Oh, Brent at the top there. I see it, I see it. 114. 114. They keep it small, so you don't get scared. Approaching the peak. 114. Approaching the peak of what we saw at the height of the war. And this is heading into the midterms. And that is going to show up in gas prices over the coming weeks, inevitably. So gas price has been holding steady. Somewhere around 430 a gallon. Diesel continues to go up. It's sky high, still continuing to hit records. Those prices per barrel in the market that are being reflected are going to be reflected also at the gas pump. This is another thing Rich said to us yesterday that really landed with me. He's like, forget about the polls. Just pretend like you don't see any polls. Pretend you're a historian looking back at this period. And you would say deeply unpopular war, sky high gas prices. President is one of the most unpopular in history. What do you think is going to happen in the midterm election? Like, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how this is going to go. You know, the question of underpulling Democrats. I'm so glad you guys asked go back and watch that in your weeks. I'm glad you guys got to that. That is one of the things that I think is totally possible as well and especially possible in a place like Texas. Now it's also possible that there's not adequate rural pulling in places like Texas and Maine yet. But it is also possible that pollsters have been overcorrecting for the Trump era in ways that have missing voters because Trump voters are flipping. And if you're trying to overcorrect and overweight for people who are with Trump, who have moved since, it completely messes up the modeling in especially like a respalt place like Ohio where you did have Obama Trump Biden Trump voters. There it is. Go ahead, Ryan. No, yeah, that's just such a key point that what we can model when it comes to the early vote is party registration coming out to the polls. And then you bank like, okay, in the past, X percent of Democrats voted for the Democrat, X percent of Republicans voted Republican and then in this state, X percent of independence split this way. But there's no reason to think to Emily's point that those splits are going to break down in the same way that they were in earlier pieces of the Trump era. Like, I would imagine that you're going to get more Democrats voting for Democrats, more unity and that at least some non-trivial sliver of Republicans who are in that poll or in that early vote number are voting for Democrats and that the independent number is probably going to be a little different. Speaking of cherry picking real quick, here's that South Carolina number that I was looking at first day of early voting in 2024, it was a 27.8 Republican margin. In 2026, it's 1.7 percent for the Democrat now. And there's the showing that a huge, this is a huge turnout among black voters, which is something that isn't getting talked about as much. But the attempt to knock down the Voting Rights Act and to really, Jerry Mander out a huge portion of the Congressional Black Caucus has apparently deeply resonated with Black voters particularly around the South. And they're coming out in ways that I think Republicans did not anticipate. And if they had, might not have kind of made this move. Ralph Norman probably would not be struggling. He would be struggling. I don't think he would be struggling on the level of Darlene Graham because people now resent that she has all of the baggage of her brother who's increasingly unpopular, but they also feel like it was jammed down their throats by people in Washington, the president. It's like the exact one. That means Graham Charm. Yeah, well, it's the exact wrong time to try to do something like that. And she immediately made major mishaps by saying, well, I don't really know about foreign policy. It just, if she loses, it's going to have been very predictable when people look back on the arc of the campaign. Yeah, and that's a Trump fail right there because he just, he, you know, blessed her and really pulled her through the primary, otherwise she wouldn't have, have won. Just on the, the note of potential democratic polling underestimation, there is, there are a few points of data that do support that theory, which is, first of all, all of the polling has shown that democratic voters tend to be more enthusiastic, the cycle than Republican voters again for obvious reasons. Yet you have a number of pollsters whose registered voter model is showing better numbers for Democrats than their likely voter model. That seems very unlikely, given the fact, okay, if you take the entire pool of voters and you say, okay, I'm going to apply my likely voter screen and try to figure out which ones of these are most likely to show up. That should be leading to more democratic overperformance because those are the people who are definitely the most hyped up to vote, according to all of the polling and all of the sentiment and all of the conventional wisdom that you could possibly find. So that would support the theory that they are really scared of underestimating Republicans and so they're putting a thumb on the scale with their likely voter screens to really juice up those Republican numbers. The other thing I would point to is while we obviously have some really high profile examples of Republican underestimation in 1620 and 24, well, what do those three elections have in common? Trump is on the ballot and it's a presidential year. In the midterms, the story's been quite different. In fact, in 2022, Democrats were underestimated. You guys will remember we thought there was going to be a red wave. There was not a red wave. Then in the most recent election cycle and off your election cycle of 2025, huge democratic underestimation. You know, the new Jersey polls were looking like it was going to be close and then Mikey Sharer pulls off a blowout double digit victory. Abigail Spanberger, it looked like she was ahead, but it was close. Again, blowout victory. So there are some reasons to believe that that could be the case. I'm not saying it is, but it's not a crazy thing to imagine that that's the case. And I would say at this point, there's probably more evidence in that direction than in the Republican hope that the polls are all wrong and, you know, Rich Barris, who's caught these things before he's wrong and everybody's wrong, the sentiments wrong. And actually everybody loves the high gas prices and the pedophile protection final message here, down the stretch. The two places before we get to the guess the two places that I think they're, it's possible that it could go in either direction or main in Texas because of the role polling, which is so difficult when landline use is going down. It's, we saw a huge polling error in 2020 with the Sarah Gideon main race and they're trying to correct for that now, which could create interesting things if you have Trump voters flipping. Or if you're still just not picking up on genuine support for Collins, which isn't always Trump supporters are not always, Collins supporters are not always Trump voters if you're looking at the polling. So I would, I would just be, I'm more cautious about those two places, but even in those two places, it could go the other way. It could be that the polls are on the other direction. Well, we're going to talk to a Texas analyst later. He can tell us what the early vote looks like there and whether it supports a possibility of, you know, Republicans over performing the polls. I'm sure that's still a possibility that's on the table main from what I've been saying also has been rich yesterday said that the main early vote data looks disgusting for Republicans. That was it. And to your point, Crystal, the, the, the recent poll that came out there is Fisticated one had them had Collins and Jackson 49, 49 among likely voters. But then among registered voters, it was like 51, 48 or something Jackson Jackson. So if you're, I think your point is Jackson, who's more likely to come out, the people that want to come out or the people that are like, not enthusiastic about coming out. And then you map that against the early voting data that you're seeing. You're like, if I have to choose between the pollster trying to, you know, cover their ass and what registered voters are saying and doing when it comes to turning in their ballots, probably want to go with the registered voters. Only the poster, I believe, is Wedgewood. So Cal, I would add them to the list, Emily. Very high quality. And so how we trust around here. All right. We've got Richard O'Jeta standing by. He's a congressional candidate in North Carolina's ninth congressional district. Let's go ahead and bring him in. All right. So retired major of Richard O'Jeta joins us now. He is running in North Carolina's ninth congressional district. And part of why we wanted to talk to him is he's running in a district Trump won by something like 16 points. A normal cycle. No one would be talking to him. No one would be interested in this race. It would be a blowout. It would be a foregone conclusion. However, that is not what the polls are showing. And Richard can give us an update from the ground about how he's feeling about the early vote numbers that are coming in here. But it's so narrow and so much in play now that you've got some significant party packs that are taking a look at this sending polling memos around saying, Hey, this one may be in play. And the incumbent that Richard is up against is a guy by the name of Richard Hudson, who leads the RNCC. So he's like the chief fundraiser for the Republicans in the house. That's again a sign that they think, oh, this is somebody who's in a safe seat. He can just run around fundraiser. He doesn't really have to worry about his own district. Richard O'Jeta has something else to say about that. So Richard, welcome. Great to see you. Awesome. Glad to be on here. Glad to finally be on the camera with Ryan Graham again too. You know, that's always great. Let me tell you, so we're breaking records in North Carolina in Cumberland County and Hoke County. I mean, people are on fire. They're tired of this garbage. Richard Hudson has given them a representative that has never shown up in 15 years. He doesn't live here. He just shows up down here. Takes a couple pictures and gated communities and disappears. And we have put the work in and we have showed these people that there's an alternative that actually puts boots on the ground and works its butts off. And that's what we do. And I'm going to tell you, if you look at right now versus two years ago, two years ago, there's a presidential election. Most people vote in presidential elections in the new midterms. Republicans are at a 42% decrease in where they were right now this time, two years ago. Okay. I'm telling you right now, right now, I feel very comfortable and I'm leading in six of the seven counties and I'm talking by quite a bit. I think right now they were saying that something like Guilford County was a D plus 38. Alamance County was a D plus 18. Cumberland County's a D plus 46. Hoke County's a D plus 50. Chatham County's a D plus 46. More county, it looks like him and I are almost in a dead tie, but there's 37% unaffiliated. We're killing it with unaffiliated voters. And of course, the Redis County and the state of North Carolina's Randolph County, but I'm going to tell you right now, I'm getting every democratic vote. I'm getting the majority of the unaffiliated votes. And every single day, we have more people saying, I've never voted Democrat in my life, but I'm voting for Richard O'Jeta. And we're seeing this all over the district. I got Republican farmers that have met with me, just said, my families, you got our families support, and we want to spread the word. I'm telling you, Richard Hudson has taken this district for granted for far too long. And we are going absolutely non-stop. And I'm telling you, you can feel it. I mean, people are coming up to me everywhere that I go. You know, most people don't even know what Richard Hudson looks like. The guy never shows up, but another big piece here is the whole affordability piece. He's doing nothing. And this administration is doing nothing for these people. And these people are struggling greatly. I got farms that I'm going to envision that are struggling because the diesel prices are making it almost impossible for them to be able to farm their land. People can't afford the seed. I mean, everything is more expensive right now. And Richard Hudson is not showing up and basically going to gated communities and golf courses. And I'm showing up and explaining to these people what I want to do, which will absolutely help, you know, make things more affordable. So, you know, I think people are starting to hear our message. And I think they're fired up. And I think they're fired up all across this country. Richard, can you just give people a little bit of a sense of your district. Fort Bragg is in your district that they may not be familiar with these counties. It's mostly rural. Get, you know, give people like a little bit of the lay of the land here. So, obviously, the part that I have in Cumberland, I have about a third of Cumberland County, maybe even less than a third. But it's got all of Fort Bragg, Spring Lake, Cliffdale area and the area that goes into Hoke County. Now, Hoke County is another county that is on fire. They are rushing to the poles. They're doing phenomenal. This district's kind of gerrymandered, but I don't think it benefits him that great right now because what they did was it's a lot of communities of color. And he never shows up in communities of color. And I spend most of my time in communities of color. So, Hoke County is absolutely killing it right now. county, of course, where I actually live. This is where the U.S. Open was recently hailed. You know, this is a really big golfing and horse community. And then, of course, I've talked about Randolph and Chatham. Chatham County's biggest issue right now is a pipeline that they're trying to push through the Richard Hudson said, "That's not my lane. I'm sorry, but that's your constituents and this is your district. It is your lane, so you need to get involved with that." But then, we have Alamance County and Guilford County. Guilford County is basically, "I have all of the eastern northern and southern part of Greensboro, but not Greensboro itself." When the Iran War started, we did a survey where we asked people, "Do you think that President Trump started this war at least in part to basically push the Epstein files off the front page?" And this is a national survey and by a 50 to 42 percent majority, American people said, "Yeah, at least in part he launched this war to cover up the Epstein files." So I'm curious as you go around the district, the war did kind of push the Epstein files off the front page and off the off of cable news, but did it push? Did it push it out of people's minds? Do you hear it in relationship to the Iran war and like, what are the things that are really kind of resonating with people now? Well, I mean, obviously, the war is, we've got to stop this war because the prices are just, they're killing people. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, people are severely struggling right now and I'll tell people, look, MAGA knock it off. You know you're not doing better than you were two years ago. There's no way, shape or fashion that you can be doing better. Grocery prices are up, gas prices are up, diesel prices are up. Everything in the stores is up because of what's going on in Iran and we have to, first we've got to stop this war. And as far as how do we stop this war? You know, right now, I honestly, I don't know any other way other than basically us looking at Iran and saying, look, you know, we're gonna end this nightmare and we have to come with hat in hand. I mean, you know, we, we, we, we, we attacked them. We killed children. We blew up a children's hospital. We killed the, we blew up a school. I mean, these are horrible things that have happened and there's going to be people that are going to be held accountable for these atrocities. But I'm telling you right now, people have not forgotten about the Epstein files. People are still very, very agitated about the Epstein files because once again, we know what happened. We know that this was the billionaire boy's club and we know that these people absolutely deserve to be held accountable and that's what they're doing. They're trying to do everything in their power to make this not a thing anymore because they know that if this could crash, maybe our economy could destroy the corporations that run this country. So I don't care if you molested children, be trafficked, raped, threatened, maybe even murdered, you need to go down for that. And people have not forgot about the Epstein files and they're not going to forget about the Epstein files. But as far as having forebragging my district, let me tell you a little, I'm going to paint a picture for you. So every time I got ready to deploy to combat, we knew it was going to be a year-long deployment. So not only was I training, there was also things out there for my family to prepare them for what's happening. When you leave and you don't come back, especially if you're a child, you know, we want to make sure that the families are prepared for this. That's not what happened here. They deployed an entire brigade combat team to combat. And of course, you know, daddy got up, mommy got up, kissed her kids and said, we'll be back in about two weeks. And then they got told when they got there, it's a year-long deployment. I'm going to tell you that those families are literally just, it's like at their widths end right now. Because I actually have a family member who just had a brand new baby girl. And now he left, but was told, hey, don't worry about it. We'll be back in a week. No biggie. Year-long deployment. I mean, devastated people. People are angered. They're mad about this garbage. This is not the way that we treat our soldiers. But what do you expect when we have an administration that doesn't understand how to treat soldiers? And that's including Pete Hegseth, who absolutely is, I'm more qualified to be the Secretary of Defense than Pete Hegseth is. And I'm not nowhere near qualified to be the Secretary of Defense. That's a fact. You know, I have heard from Republicans, you say they voted for Trump and aren't considering not just sitting it out, but actively voting for Democrats. As you said, you're hearing that yourself. So I wonder one of the things that I hear from those people who are going through that decision, personally, is, well, what are Democrats going to do when they get elected to bring prices down? If they get the house in the Senate, what can Democrats do if Trump is still president to bring prices down and stop the war? Okay. So, you know, I obviously, I'm not sitting inside those circles right now talking about this stuff. But ending the war has got to be a number one priority. But here's another thing, too. We can't just jump in there and impeach Donald Trump. If we impeach Donald Trump on day two, they're going to martyr this guy. The MAGA will always scream, you did it because you couldn't handle him. We need and listen to what I'm saying. And maybe we need to spread this word. We need to investigate Donald Trump in this administration so thoroughly. And we need to do like six o'clock to 8 p.m. every single night, tune in and you get to watch it all because here's the thing. We may never wake MAGA up unless we show them everything, the worst of the worst because maybe then they'll go, wow, I'm not okay. I got to, I got to walk away from this. That may be the only way we help these people. Look, I want to bring people back to reality. I don't want a whole entire group of millions of people that are going to spend the rest of their lives griping at the fact that somehow we stole their Messiah. You know, we've got to investigate Donald Trump. But we also got to figure out how we're going to be able to stop this war with Iran, open the straight of hormones. And we got to figure out how we can do that without them saying, no, we're going to just keep going because they've said that they're not going to open the straight of hormones until Trump is gone. So maybe, I don't know, I mean, I just there's got to be something that we have to come up with, you know, with Iran to get things moving again. And once again, Iran is not the enemy here. You can claim, but it wasn't, they didn't attack us. We attacked them. Benjamin Netanyahu has been looking for his useful idiot for the past 40 years and he found it in Donald Trump. And Donald Trump is willing to do anything to keep people's eyes off of the dag on Epstein files because guess what? He raped kids. You think I'm scared to say that? I'm not scared to say that I'll say that on the house floor. And once again, you want to sue me, sue me because we'll bring the records in to prove that I'm telling the truth. And the reason I'm so confident in saying that is because I've watched Ted Lou looking to a camera multiple times and say the reason why they're doing all this is because Donald Trump raped kids. And Jeff and Ted Lou has looked in those files. So he's seen it. So I'm not worried about it. Richard, you seem anything but scared. You also served multiple tours in Iraq and, you know, receive two broad-star medals. Trump seems to be prepared to strike Iran again. This time with a lot less resources, a lot less U.S. Army bases and a lot less ways to protect our troops. A widower recently spoke to JD Vance at a town hall and talked about how his wife who died in a strike was saying that they didn't feel safe that they didn't feel protected. What do you think about the current state and if we strike Iran again, what do you think about the safety of our troops? I think that they're in serious jeopardy here. I mean, look at the end of the day. I've been on some of these bases. The protection are esco barriers and things like that. That's the protection, you know, very, very little protection from mortars and rockets from the sky. You know, that's just a fact. And everything is within reach, easily within reach. So our troops are definitely in harm's way. I mean, we've already had over 800 wounded in action because of these attacks. It's just the way that it is. You know, it's extremely dangerous. The way that you make it even safer is inside the area you still put walls everywhere. But I mean, literally, I'm telling you right now, you can get the sense where you're literally just walking around in a maze the entire time you're there. And with these bases getting hammered and hit, a lot of people don't understand. Now, a lot of those bases are closed. And we got troops over there that don't really have access to now male capabilities and resupply capabilities. And that's what's really the worst for those troops over there right now because they're not getting to do anything, see anything, they're lacking in food and all this other stuff. Kind of like, look at it, the USS Abraham Lincoln and how dare, you know, Donald Trump, when they finally, when they finally was going to believe it, who's like, they should have stayed longer. He was mad because soldier because sailors got tired of being stuck on a ship for literally nine straight months with not one port call. That's what makes life like livable on these ships is that you, you stop at ports quite often and you get to get off. stretch your legs and spend the day or two looking at things and hanging out with your fellow sailors and going and eating and stuff like that. And that didn't happen. I'm gonna tell you, if you've ever been on naval ship, everything is really, really close and proximity to one another. So you only have like a small section here with where you can put your knick knacks and that's pretty much, and then you get like a closet for your clothing. That's all you've got. So, I mean, it's miserable for these people over there. It's absolutely miserable. And it just bothers me as a person who's been 24 years in the military, how callous these people are towards our troops. You know, they want to act like they walk with every single troop and give to each, they don't care about our troops. I've heard from several service members and a few family members of those serving who say that after they've been wounded in combat, the Pentagon is telling them, because Hegseth declared a ceasefire or declared the end of major combat operations that they don't actually count as being wounded in combat. And this is not a service-connected injury and as a result, then they're not eligible for all of the various VA benefits and other benefits that come from a combat-connected injury. Have you heard of this from people that you've been talking to around for brag or elsewhere? - I haven't, but let me tell you something. These people are wounded because of strikes. - Yeah, from around it. - Literally. - That's right, that's right. So, let me tell you something. Every single one of those people that served are going to get 100% of the benefits that they deserve. And we're not gonna let people like Pete Hegseth and them try to say, well, we said no right before this time, so they don't get nothing. They're deployed. They're serving their country. They were in and they are in harm's way and they have been wounded and they're gonna get every single benefit that comes from that. And if this administration wants to sit there and say that they won't, then fine, that'll just help us send this administration to the damn dustbin. And that's what's gonna happen when this is over with. - On the Epstein files, just wanna know that President Trump has not been charged with any criminal conduct and denies any criminal conduct on the note, though, of Republicans closing here with an Epstein files related petafile protection message. Have you been following this thing that's going on with the VEK Ramaswami in Ohio? - I have, I have. And once again, I mean, look, first off, let me play for you. Let me go and play for you. Griffin can pull it up. President Trump is standing by this ad. I'm sure everybody watching this. Knows at this point of the VEK Ramaswami has now put four million dollars behind an ad of Amy Acton's estranged mother, who stood by the rapist of her daughter and fled the state along with him and hadn't seen her since she was 12 years old because she chose the abuser over her own daughter who had been accused not only by Amy, but by the daughter of a previous one of his wives in a different marriage. So an accord, of course, removed Amy from their custody based on the evidence that they saw. President Trump, louding that ad and saying, standing behind it, saying that he thinks anyone would want to run this ad. And the only reason that people don't like it is because it looks so bad for Amy Acton. Let's go and take a look, listen to this. - Great state, right? Great state. And if it's even a little bit true, you don't want her as governor. Let's be about your praise. - The athlete has been cited in Iowa. He took up the Ramaswami ad. It's absolutely terrible. And it should be taken down. Why are you defending it? - That's her opinion. I'm defending it because I know that if that ad were about my mother, you would love it. You would love every inch of it. - Of course, he's going to take the side of the rapist. He's Donald Trump. You know, he's going to take the side of the video. Vivek Ramaswami is absolutely sick. You know, we now go back and look and find it. You know, he took some type of the scholarship or something, whatever it was called that was supposed to go to poor Emma Grinson. He had about $800,000 in the bank when he took it. This guy has no integrity whatsoever. That's the thing about this whole MAGA and all these people within that circle. They have no integrity whatsoever. But for them to do something like this, because let me tell you something, with that deed right there, that brought back so much pain to that woman that's running for governor. It brought back memories that she probably has worked her entire life to try to hide. And that was cruelty is what that is. It is unacceptable. It just tells you what type of people that we're dealing with here on the Republican Party. And this is the reason why, you know what, I'm glad that we are seeing people rising up across this country and pushing back to this garbage buffoonery. I'm glad that we're seeing that, but we have to continue pushing. And we've got to win in 2026 and we've got to win in 2028. And then we've got to make sure that we hold everyone accountable for the crimes that they have committed. We've got to get this country back on track. You know, we got to start going to Washington DC and pushing legislation that elevates people's lives. And I'm talking about the working class people in this country. We got to stop giving everything to the billionaire class. I'm sick and tired of us tag on finding money. And instead of using it for the people, we just figure out how we can shove it in somebody's pocket who's got more money than they could spend a thousand lifetimes. It's time for us to stop that. The billionaire class will be okay. Those that didn't, you know, handle their business on FC Nigel, because we're gonna go after them. This is my thoughts with that. And like I said, I'm just a candidate and, you know, I'm not on the inside right now. But my thing is, is you know what? We'll take every single one of those billionaires, corporate owners, I don't care what crashes. We're gonna take them. And every single person that they prayed upon, we're gonna make them make those people, those victims multi-millionaires. And then I say we take everything from them, seize everything, their jets, their homes, their land, their cars, everything they have. We sell it all. And we put it towards our national debt. Maybe we could get this national debt down by doing something like that, because those people do not deserve to live the rest of their life and be able to just get away with what they've done. They need to pay for it dearly. And then they need to pay for it with their freedom, period. Richard, do you have any big money packs coming in off the sidelines? We saw some, what was that Ryan House majority pack that put out that memo, polling memo saying, "Hey, this brace, you may not have it on your radar, "but it's in play." Are you seeing some people come off the sidelines for you? - We are, we are. You know, we just recently got the bold pack. We've got quite a few congressional endorsements. We've got all the union endorsements for the most part. But yeah, I mean, I think things are looking good. The D-Triple C is now really, really, you know, basically they're with us. They're standing, they're like in the rooms and stuff. So they're definitely, you know, interested in this race. And yeah, I'm telling ya, it feels really, really good to be at this point right now and looking at the numbers that we're seeing because I'm gonna tell ya, we're gonna win this. We're gonna win this. The people showing up at the polls, they're breaking records right now. And they're not showing up. I mean, the Republicans, once again, negative 42% of where they were two years ago in a presidential election. That tells us that it's not like they're waiting for November 3rd. That tells us they're not showing up. Who do they vote for? There's nobody exciting on the ticket for them to vote for. So they're staying home. And the Democrats are showing up African-Americans absolutely showing up everywhere. And I'm telling you right now, I love it. Bold pack is the pack for the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. At the top of the show, I stupidly said, I thought your grandmother might have been from Mexico, but obviously it would have been one of your grandfather's. Then he come and become a coal miner. Yes. So very, very wild. My grandfather left home when he was 13 years old to ride with Pancho Villa. And he ended up having to swim across the Rio Grande to keep from being killed by the Federales. And he made his way to Chicago and he worked in the steel mills of Chicago for a while until somebody said, hey, because people were dropping dead by from the heat. And somebody said, hey, anybody want to share gas? There's jobs in West Virginia in coal mining. So he did. He went to West Virginia. And my father was born in Philbert, West Virginia, which is in McDowell County, the poorest county in the country right now. And right after my dad was born, a person knocked on the door. And his name was Condito. And he said, we're your family. And our father's sick, and you need to come home. And my family moved back to Halisco to a place called Tetoluta del Montenegro. And they lived there until my dad was eight. And then they went back to West Virginia. And when they got to West Virginia, the reason why we say, oh, Jetta is because when my grandfather made it back to the coal fields of West Virginia in Logan County, they didn't understand that J&H very well. So he just thought that for them to be able to have a better life, they needed to assimilate and say, hey, we're just, oh, Jetta. And that's how it was. But yeah, I'll be the first Hispanic person to ever represent North Carolina in Washington, DC. And I'm very proud of that. And I'm going to tell you, I'm trying to mentally do it. I want to bring it back. My name is Richard O'Hada. I want it to be in the air. That's how Griffin started the show. So we're Griffin, you didn't even know. And can they roll their ours in West Virginia? Your grandfather might be the first guy who went to the coal mine. to get a more laid back job. - Yeah, and he had a reputation. He laid track in the coal mines until it was in his seventies. He had a reputation. Even when he retired, they brought him back because the new people had no idea how to do that job the way he did. So he had a great reputation. And you know what, I'm gonna hang this picture in our capital. - Wow. Well, we're gonna have to have you back on to hear more of these poncho via stories. But for now, we're focused on the midterms. We wish you luck. Where can people find you or support you in these final days? Yeah, your website. - So Ojeta for NC.com. Every night, I do a nightly live. But for some of the reason, I'm telling you, somebody's doing something. I have never in my life ever had a problem getting on YouTube and now I just can't do it. So it's happened within the last couple of days. But nothing would surprise me here. But yeah, Ojeta for NC.com. If you want to actually meet me, just go anywhere in the ninth district and just stay in there. Make no mistake about it. I'll come by. - I love it. Well, maybe we can talk to YouTube about that. I'll talk to my guys at YouTube. See what's going on behind the scenes there. See if we can help you out. Richard, good luck. We'll be tracking your race on election night and we'll hope to speak to you again soon. - I'm Hamza. - And I'm Martin. - And we're the hosts of Out of Character. It's a podcast. - I know, there's a lot of them to listen to these days. How are you gonna get to us? Well, there's a specific reason why you should listen to us. - We are the best podcast in the entire world. I swear. - I know, bold. But why don't we list some of the things we might talk about on a regular episode? - So sometimes we'll talk about, I don't know, the Uber driver we just had. - And how nice they were or if we tip them or not, come and find out. - Sometimes we'll talk about that weird news story from last week. It's the one you're thinking about, trust me. 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Investigating the rise, fall, and uncertain future of one of America's most iconic institutions. The Miss America pageant. I never received scholarship. I need to pay for my student loans. He looks at me and goes, you don't look like you suffered in the eating disorder. It's great, but looks too ethnic. It's a story the Miss America organization really doesn't want us to tell. An exploitation of our Miss Americas is treated by the Miss America organization as an attack on Miss America itself. Listen to the Curse of Miss America on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, let's take a look at Texas. We have a Texas data expert here, Theo, who we've been following from Twitter. He's been doing some excellent reporting on the polling and data coming out of Texas for a race that everyone is very interested in. Theo, welcome to the show. Welcome, everyone. Oh, thank you for welcoming us. I appreciate that. It's nice to be welcome. We all live in Theo's world, it's true. That's right. Texas is the center of the universe right now. And Theo, I want to throw up your website here. This is, of course, Theo elections.com. It's very beautiful here. And you've, of course, been doing a lot of great data. And I encourage everyone to keep checking that out and following him on Twitter, x.com. But Theo, we just wanted to start more generally. It's Friday right now. What are you seeing currently in this race, in particular, with the Senate run with Tyler Rico versus Paxton? So far, we are seeing the highest ever midterm turnout in Texas history since 1976. We are on track to seeing almost 10 million votes, which is only 1 million short of a general election. And it's really impressive that we are at this point in a midterm. Let me go ahead and pull up, Theo, something that you shared here on Twitter. And you can just talk us through what these maps are. So you've been tracking the reason I wanted to talk to you is because you've been tracking the early vote really carefully. And I'm a little bit leery of reading too much into the early vote. And maybe you can speak to that. What can be learned and what shouldn't be learned from early vote. But here you say day two's almost done reporting all of the early vote. This map visualizes primary voters in early vote. There's a significant drop in turnout the third day in the reported counties. I'll update the map as soon as they report. So talk to us about some of what you're seeing in the early vote. What we should read into it and what things we should still be cautious about. The first thing I can say is that the early vote is not the end results. They're almost-- they're going to be almost 60% of non-primary voters that we have no idea who they're going to vote for. But primary voters are indicative of parties in lean. And Democrats have started really strong in the first and second day while Republicans are improving. We need to see this going into the second week. If this keeps up, this is going to be a really big advantage for Democrats. And can I ask the broader question? I'm about this update the other day when we were talking about early voting in Texas. How does post-COVID-- post-COVID population increase? Affect some of these numbers. Like you mentioned, highest early voter turnout since the '70s. Is any of that explained by the fact that Texas has just grown since 2020? Or are we genuinely seeing shocking numbers here? This is about the same turnout as 2018. It's going to land around 53%. So it is not actually that unusual. It is with the political environment that we're in, that voters are driven to admit term election. So this is just, I would say, polarized environment going to the balance. You're seeing Republicans say that as more and more votes are getting turned in, Republicans are narrowing the gap a little bit. How much truth is there to that? How much of the gap is narrowing? Is that something you would expect at this point? Or is it signed for hope for Paxton and for Republicans? For the side that we now, Republicans are improving their results. But again, they're about 60% non-primeay voters. I really don't know what they're going to vote for. They're going to-- if they really signify the lean towards Democrats, maybe every single Democrat will have an advantage in the state by races. If they lean towards Republicans, maybe evil carry everyone to the finish line. So that's the most important group of voters in the electorate. Do you have any sense, Theo, what the numbers would need to be among those voters, like for all the Democrats, to prevail how much of the non-partisan unaffiliated voters would they need to be able to secure? They would need to win them really easily. And if they end up really closed, Republicans will have an advantage because Trump won the state by more than 10%, and it's a Republican leaning state, even if it's a blue, wave or a blue midterm, the best way for Democrats to win is the non-primeay voters. Let me put this other chart that you made here. And you posted this. You said, as we get full results from day three of early voting in Texas, we now have a clear picture from now on. We will see a substantial amount of turnout from voters who do not vote in primaries. and let me just blow this up a bit. Babe, can you explain what you're tracking here, what we're looking at? Texas does not have a traditional party registration, so every user, every voter goes to the ballots in March to pick a party primary because they're not as signed as Democrat or Republican. In two different years, they can pick Democrat and Republican in two different years. So in the past six years, right now, we are at 36% Democratic primary voters and 34% Republican primary voters. And as the election continues, more non-prospanity voters go to the ballots, so we will have more voters that have an unknown history, go to ballots every single day. So I've also heard people say that there are more polling locations, this cycle than 2024, but it's just kind of, there's more hours that they're open, it's easier, it's a little bit easier to vote than 2024. And so there's synapolis to orange as element that gets inserted into the calculation that way. Is that true? Like what on the ground changes should we be incorporating into this analysis? There have been a lot of lines in front of voting centers, more than 45, 60 minutes of lines. I have heard a lot of people not vote the same day that they go, they're just going to say they're going to vote later, we don't know if they're going to vote later. If they do, voting centers should not be a criteria to decide the election, but it's going to come down to the election day if they're really going to vote. Because voting centers are, I would say not enough because this was a midterm and no one was expecting a general election like turnout and some counties have gone to decrease their number of voting centers. I think Delos County has increased them, so Delos has seen higher turnout than 2024. Wow. We just have to see where this ends and sort of where this starts. Yeah. I just want to underscore that for people to take in, Theo is saying that Dallas is seeing higher turnout in a midterm election thus far than they saw any presidential election, which is damn near unprecedented. Theo, I'm just curious, this is my last question, I just can jump in, but the polls have tended to have Tolerico up by a little bit. Is there anything that you're seeing in the early vote that is in changing your opinion of where the numbers may ultimately end up in your sense of whether those polls are more or less accurate? And the last polls in the last few weeks, Ken Paxson has been losing about 10% of every Republican, so even if we have a really Republican leaning electorate, I think Ken Paxson would have this disadvantage going into election day. So in any scenario, Tolerico would be the more confident side going into election day. I think governor's race will be a more of a decider on who the electorate has more. I wanted to ask about the governor's race, actually, sorry, I'm like, what do you mean? No, go. I was just saying, are we seeing anything interesting in rural areas? Any patterns that are interesting there? Only rural areas have seen less turnout than urban areas, but again, we have to see two weeks of this election to see who's actually turning out. Yeah, and I wanted to ask about the governor's race because most of the nation is more focused on Tolerico, but I grew up Summers in Houston and then I lived in Austin for a lot of my adult life. And Greg Abbott has been such a large character and fixture in Texas for a very long for a large portion of my life. I actually remember that being a bus boy at a restaurant in Austin and I actually wheeled Greg Abbott through the restaurant to his seat. So I have very intimately been aware of Greg Abbott for a long time. Another forecast here that I want to put up shows that it may still be looking pretty good for Abbott. You have here Gina Hinojosa at 46.8% and Abbott at 51.3. You think her chance of beating Abbott's around 22%. Can you tell us more about that race and do you think that it's not going to be that close? Do you think it's going to be a nail bidder? What do you think about the governor's race? This forecast was updated on October 12th, so this is not updated with the early vote. I think it's going to be it should be updated by weekend, but pre-early vote, Greg Abbott had a confident, he was confident going into the early vote because he's not as unpopular as Paxton, he does not get affected by the national environment as other people do. And he, he gathers support from all kinds of demographic groups that usually do not vote for Democrats, do not vote for Republicans. So he's kind of an unusual candidate and we have to see if he will be unusual this election to. I mean a lot of things have changed in the last four years, so we have to see the bells counted. You said he was confident going into the early vote, has some of that confidence eroded you think as the early vote numbers have come in? I think three days of early vote is still not enough data, but if Democrats keep this lead, I would not say he would still be confident. What about the, what about the house races that Republicans redrew these districts in order to add, they were trying to add five seats to their Texas congressional delegation. That triggered Democrats then redrawing districts in California and elsewhere to add seats to their own tally. Are they going to end up adding seats in Texas or what, what's your sense at this point? A lot of the redistricted southern districts are leaning towards Democrats because of the Hispanic shift from the 2024 election. So I think Republicans may add one, maybe two seats, but it definitely backfired that the redistricting was focused on the southern voters. Sorry, you got another one, Griffin. I just want to ask, Theo, do you have a car or you're in college? What's the gas prices like and where you are in Texas? Do you even have a car? Yeah, I have a car and this, I think up on that few days ago, the gas station near my campus ran out of diesel and I was really surprised by that I've never seen that before. So I think that's maybe in Texas affecting a lot of people, yeah. And you're driving a big truck, right? You're driving like a giant truck. That's crystal. Well, Chris, did you have a last question or do we want to send Theo? I was just going to ask Theo what he's studying in college. I'm studying astrophysics. Oh, there you go. Oh, the ability to crunch the numbers makes a lot of sense and given that Theo, thank you so much for hanging out with us and breaking down the numbers that you've been seeing. I've been really appreciating your post on Twitter and getting a lot out of it. So we really are grateful and our audience is grateful for your time and your analysis this morning. Yeah. Thank you for having me. TheoElections.com. And what's your handle on Twitter so people can follow you and keep tracking these races on their own? It's Theo Elections. Theo Elections. All right. Easy to remember. That'll be in our video description, Theo. Thank you very much. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. I'm Hamza. And I'm Martin. It's a podcast. I know. There's a lot of them to listen to these days. How are you going to get to us? We are the best podcast in the entire world. I swear. I know. Bold. So sometimes we'll talk about, I don't know, the Uber driver we just had. And how nice they were or if we tip them or not, come and find out. And we'll talk about that weird news story from last week. It's the one you're thinking about. Trust me. Or maybe we'll talk about music and what's happening in the underground or drama and music or TV shows or the Med Gala and what the actors were. And if you want to see what that's like, come join us. Listen Out of Character from Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network. On the iHeart Radio app, Apple Pods, or wherever you get your podcasts. So if you're interested in getting thinner, going to therapy, starting peptide, setting boundaries, taking supplements, making your better getting closer, then I would humbly recommend other podcasts. But if you're interested in blackmail, love, bombing, cloning yourself, or getting revenge, then we've got a little something-something for a dastardly individual like you. Fake a back injury. Kill 'em. Kill 'em. Kill 'em with a gun. You look the bear in the eye, and you say, "This isn't you." Do not preserve relationships, you don't need them. You only need one thing, and that's the GetWorse podcast. Listen to GetWorse with Kyle Pru on the IHR Radio app Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. But more than a century, Miss America sold the country a fantasy. Okay, here we go. They said, "Goodbye to swimsuits, now, hello to lawsuits." I'm Bridget Armstrong. Now I'm back with season two of this podcast, Curse of Miss America, investigating the rise, fall, and uncertain future of one of America's most iconic institutions. I never received scholarship I need to pay for my student loans. He looks at me and goes, "You don't look like you suffered in the eating disorder." "It's great, but looks too ethnic." It's a story the Miss America organization really doesn't want us to tell. Listen to the Curse of Miss America on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Let's take a look at what's going on this morning in the stock market, which has not been doing well. And this is one of Trump's favorite metrics heading into the midterm elections here. We've got everything in the red, some pretty significant drops here to start the day. This follows on a very bad day yesterday as well. Grief and click on the oil tab there up at the top. We checked in on this earlier, but this continues to be an increase we've got now. Brent up to 116, a barrel, again approaching the levels that we saw at the peak of the kinetic action with regard to the Iran war. So really dire landscape here, and in terms of stock market, there's a lot going on. There's fears that the AI bubble may be nearing the top. Don't know if that's real or not, but there are some indications in that direction. Obviously, you have the continued hostilities with the Iran war and some indications. We may be going back to more kinetic action there, continued attacks from Iran in the history of Hormuz, obviously, we've got the the Houthi Yemen Saudi Arabia situation with the Bob El Mandeb as well. But in addition to that, you also have what is being described as black October. Sarah and I covered a bit of this yesterday, but effectively, we are now experiencing historic levels of cybersecurity incidents that are quite grave. The people that I'm reading online and watching their podcast, many of whom are, you know, who are experts and many of whom are sort of optimistic about AI and haven't been in the Doomer Club and aren't effective altruists are saying, we have a major problem on our hands because the cyber, the hacking capabilities of the AI models, including not even the frontier models that exist now, are at the level of the most expert of human beings. Then, guess what, they don't get tired and you can deploy a thousand of them at a problem and they can work 24 hours a day. So what does that mean? You already have super human hacking capabilities in the hands of literally anyone around the world who wants to have them. Couple that with what Saga and I talked about yesterday, which is this major security flaw they found in PHP again, they used AI, they literally gave AI the command, find vulnerabilities in PHP, it did, it was something that had been identified previously, but they thought previously when they identified it, oh, this would be too hard for a human to exploit. Well, now with AI, it is no longer too hard to exploit. And this is a flaw that is estimated to impact ready for this 70% of all internet websites worldwide. You've already had a bunch of governments take down their websites and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Griffin, I think you have a list of some of the ones that have been tracked and what people are saying is we are now having many multiple, what would have been the worst of the year incidents that are coming within 48 hours. You've got Microsoft, you've got CrowdStrike here, Autonomous AI agents reportedly used to compromise 100 plus corporate websites, major US banks say they're dealing with issues with AI agents inside of bank accounts that likely people gave them access to, by the way, that are taking actions that may not be sanctioned. I saw there was a big, what was the big medical organization, quest diagnostics, which I just paid a bill for, by the way, so I'm excited. I can't wait to see it. You would be hard pressed to find any person in the country that hasn't had some interaction with quest diagnostics, because that's the kind of place that you go. I mean, even if you have to get a drug test before you start a job or you get any kind of blood work done, like you very likely, before he started the show. Yes, and I passed. He passed because he had all the right drugs in his system that we were looking for. But in any case, this is extremely dire and I'm seeing all kinds of crazy like, oh, the internet may just not really exist anymore, the way that we feel, the way that it is now, because it can't be protected. These things are already out of control and sort of taking over in a way that we didn't expect. Much of the stun, of course, this isn't like rogue swarms. Some of it might be, we don't know, but this is war being deployed by malicious human beings because of the expert level of capabilities that you've now put in the hands of anyone who has any sort of nefarious aims. Yeah. Go for it. There's the thing on the AI bubble front that really sparked the sell-off was that Facebook put out in, or meta, whatever it calls itself now, put out in its SEC filing that basically that they were seeing a drawdown in capital expenditure when it came to this data center buildout and it's going to be like, oh, we might have reached peak data center buildout. And it's not the revenue coming in isn't matching like the 10 trillion and dead or whatever that has been piled on top of it. And very interestingly, in that same filing as Gabriel's up when the economist flagged, they mentioned the California billionaires tax like 25 times and say that they are preparing to restructure the company so that Mark Zuckerberg can pay his 10 billion dollar wealth tax to California without it diluting his voting shares. So they're putting out this new class of non-voting shares connected to the AI buildout, giving him a bunch of those shares so that he can then sell them and because they're non-voting, he remains in full control of the company. So in other words, Zuckerberg promised that he was going to leave California if they passed this wealth tax. Clearly it was a bluff and they're structuring the company so that he can pay it if it does pass. Now, polls have it losing very narrowly. Well, maybe this helps. Guys, if you're in California, the brother is sitting there waiting to write you a 10 billion dollar check. You just have to like ask for it. Jensen Wang also said he was not going anywhere. He's like another 10 billion dollar guy. That's 20 billion from two guys. The number of billionaires in California has actually increased since they put this on the ballot, not decreased. Anyway, that's a that's a side point. Also, these guys are collectively destroying the internet so why are you being so nice to them? Like pass the billionaires tax. Yeah. I also just wanted to say what's happening right now is vindicating for the people who are not necessarily like quote unquote doomers, but are pro AI and said that the rollout was wild and irresponsible and reckless and extremely risky because obviously right now people are discovering or AI is discovering and then people are discovering what the AI is discovering which is vulnerabilities that they hadn't even thought about and they hadn't even been. It's like a scenario where you don't know what you don't know and that is what is especially frightening with AI because when you don't know what you don't know, the AI might find out what you don't know before you do and that's kind of what and Griffin, maybe we have some examples that we can put up but like it's happening at a really quick clip right now and that means it can snowball people genuinely showed like this is not I'm not fear mongering. I guess in a literal sense, I am mongering some fear because I think there's rational fears to be had right now about what could transpire not just in the weeks and months to come, the days weeks and months to come but in the years to come and on a political note, people won't forget when this starts going really south that it happened under the watch of this administration that has refused to do virtually anything to reigned this in and that could haunt them, that could haunt JD Vance, that could haunt Republicans who have their fingerprints on this for literally years to come because it is likely to very bad. So can I just I just want to drill down on Emily's point there in the best way as a non-talk technical person as I understand it. So normally in the before times in the before super human AI times, you would like a year ago. Yeah, like you know, let's say six months ago, um you would some hacker would discover this potential exploit. These are things by the way that you can sell on like an open market like, oh, I found a problem in this program, you know, and then companies buy it. And then there's a patch that's developed. And then the patch is deployed so that people who fix this security vulnerability and whatever it is. Okay. And over time, given enough time, hackers who would like to exploit that vulnerability can dig into the patch and see what it is doing in sort of reverse engineer what the problem is. What what would be available to be exploited here. Now, when you put the patch out, anyone can go and use AI to say, what is this patch? What is it doing? What is it fixing? What is the exploit? And like this, you know, right away. So whereas previously, there was a benefit of time because I mean with something like PHP, again, 70% of all websites, these are I was reading someone who's like, we're trying to find our so we can't even find what else running these things like it takes time for small business owners, you know, the government of Topeka cans is like brand, I'm just, you know, random entities and small business, all these people all around the world have to find and apply this patch, have to absorb this information, apply the patch. Previously, you had some time, you no longer have that time. And so now the race has sped up to this extraordinary degree. And that's part of why, you know, it's a different landscape now between the people who are on the offense, try and the people who are playing defense to try to protect from these hackers who want to get your data and do nefarious things. And I'd like to read a story from an IT guy who is trying to patch the PHP right now. Now what I've kind of heard from online is these bigger banks who have large teams are able to patch this easily. But as Crystal said, this is across small businesses. And this is just one story from an IT guy. He says security called me at 612 a.m. today. Patch every pH server immediately. I asked what happened to critical vulnerabilities. No authentication required. He says how many pH pH servers do we have according to inventory 12? According to reality, nobody knows we found one running WordPress three running old internal tools one under someone's desk two inside vendor appliances, a forgotten employee directory from 2016 and a server named PHP old do not touch. Naturally, that one runs payroll exports. Then the documentation says the documentation for the security numbers. The documentation of the box says Brian Brian left in 2019. We called Brian. He said, Oh, wow, that's still running by 8 a.m. Leadership joins the call CEO can hackers get in. Security says yes without a password security says yes CEO. Then why do we need passwords? It goes on and on. But, you know, this happened for multiple days without anyone even knowing where the hell the boxes are or what to shut down. And that is currently happening across companies all over the country and potentially world. I wanted to pull up this tweet from an anthropic employee Jason D Clinton who says as bad as things have gotten in the past four days, they're going to get a lot worse before they get better security leaders. Never let a crisis go to waste. Please go to your boards and ask for help right now not for AI for the basics. We need to hold on for approximately 18 months. And then let's finish it off with a. I am so sick of hearing that shit from people that anthropic and open it. Especially the people that anthropic who at like want us to believe they have moral high ground and all of this and they're not the same. I'm just so fucking sick of seeing this stuff from. It's it's like someone setting fire to your house and being like someone's got to figure out how to stop these fires. But let's like someone looting small businesses in Paris like come on man like if we care about that it's happening just digitally and you don't give a damn about it. I don't even know what a dramatic enough word to use but the problem coming towards us. I think is still. Something that we have not as organizational leaders or countries or individuals taken seriously. It was like a moment earlier this year where it was like the mythos freak out of whatever people called it. And I think things did get somewhat better. Like people definitely patched some bugs. But it was another one of these cases where people didn't really intuit the exponential. So it's like okay there are these models they can find a bunch of security vulnerabilities. Those are probably all of the security vulnerabilities that exist or all the security vulnerabilities that models are ever going to find. And I don't think most people sort of said okay the models are going to get much smarter. They can probably find bugs like crazy bugs you know bugs that are outside of the normal threat model of what we think a hacker can do. You know hardware level and same stuff whatever. And so people fix some bugs and you know security professionals still freaking out, sees so still freaking out. But largely speaking I think most organizational leaders have somewhat moved on. And the models have kept going. And I no longer think we're going to be able to just patch all the bugs. I think we're going to have to completely switch the defense model to sort of using the same technology for sort of a new kind of defense shield. And I think it's a huge safety and security issue. I like the passive voice that the models have moved on as if the models are just independently. I mean we haven't gotten to full recursive self-improvement yet. So it's not just the models moving on. You sir have decided to move the models on. But I love the complete to Emily's point you know denial of any responsibility as if this is all out of their hands. But he's like yeah it's going to get worse. The product I am releasing and training and continuing to push the boundaries on is going to make everything dramatically worse. And by the way if you're loving the massive cybersecurity hacking incident and potential end of the internet you're also going to really enjoy the job loss that is apparently picking up steam. This is from zero hudges this morning says the AI layoffs are here. American Express to cut 5% of jobs they specifically named AI. Now sometimes these companies by the way they want to do layoffs anyway and they use AI as the excuse. Keep that in mind with these but still Barclays to cut 5,000 jobs as AI starts creating efficiency ebay confirms job cuts of about 9% Netflix to lay off 6% of global staff or about 1000 jobs. And there's more and more data coming out showing that college graduates in AI exposed fields are getting absolutely fucked. So it's it's here. So you know the even the the good scenario and this is something actually Ezra Klein really drilled into this week. And Soggers have been making this point as well like we know the bad scenario we're all dead. The good scenario is that none of nobody has jobs and all the power and money is concentrated in the hands of like two people. So that's you know that's the track that they're hoping for here. Which goes to directly to the point that Sam Altman was making there towards the end. Notice he said unfortunately and totally unforeseeably everybody's going to have to use our product for defensive purposes against the offense that we've you know basically created. It's a real shame. Nobody saw the coming but yeah luckily you know we can we can patch that up for you. And so basically he would then control the entire internet. Now the good news is I'm older than all of you guys. I can tell you life before the internet was actually great. It was fine like I had to bring a magazine. If you want to meet somebody in case they were late you couldn't just scroll your phone. You're in the post office line. You read a magazine instead of being on your phone like it's it's going to be you know you you call somebody on a landline and say we're going to meet at this time. And then you both plan to arrive there at that time. And you don't have to actually text walking up around the block turns out you can actually meet without doing that like it I know it sounds crazy. But how do you find the place Ryan like what do you like. So they put numbers so we used to put numbers on the building. There's numbers on the buildings numbers on the buildings and the streets would have names and the streets have numbers to and the and that corresponds to a location. And then you get from where you are to there based on your kind of knowledge of the area. You can even use the sun for this. I'm told. Oh wow. I'm only taking it way back. Well, we're going to have to worry. We're going way back with that. We've already discussed that we're becoming preppers. We're in our prepper era. And so we might as well be in our orientering era. But I actually just want to make a like follow up on that kind of like one-off line that I mean well when I was having a temper tantrum earlier about the like looting that people are mad about. That is happening on a massive scale and it's not poor people or middle class people who are doing it. It is the richest of the rich that are doing looting at a mass scale or enabling looting at a mass scale for the sake of we have to beat China or it's going to happen anyway so somebody has to do it responsibly. Well if somebody has to do it responsibly this sure as hell isn't doing it responsibly because people are genuinely like we will be so lucky if people don't die because of this but there will be serious like when we what we saw with the I mean the open AI I'm just okay hugging face that was like that's a real company there's a real company that had to deal with real consequences of essentially somebody breaking into its business right just like someone would break into your business and move stuff around that it was a real just because it wasn't brick and mortar break in just because it wasn't that doesn't mean that it wasn't a break in and because these things are digital and virtual Sam Altman can get a get away with talking about them in this passive voice and because it feels like it's different from our physical world but these are like real flesh and blood people that are going to be affected and it's out of control we're seeing the consequence of a day by day basis and I feel like what's happening in the last couple of days should be a massive wake up call like hugging face was a wake up call and then you still wasn't enough because this is moving so quickly but hopefully before something horrible happens truly horrible happens there's a wake up remember Annie Jacobson talking about how she used AI to find essentially classified information that's possible right now it's been possible for months and so as the technology is gaining steam it can do things that we don't even know to look for right and that's how she has talked about using it to track down classified information so god give us luck everyone because this is escalating so quickly yeah because we clearly don't have wisdom so we have to rely on on luck your point is so important Emily and really your point about the lack of focus on the rich people looting and the obsessive focus on the poor people looting really warms my heart to hear you say that's one of my favorite words I already make I don't like any of it I feel like that's consistent with me anti-looting I absolutely agree with you 100% um let me also just let me also just say on hugging face is anyone being investigated for these crabs no no there's not even I mean there's not even a pretext of it and open AI they let some researchers in to do a limited analysis and I really emphasize limited and we're learning more about just how limited that analysis was we are just you know subject to their good graces and their whims as to what we learn about what's going on inside of this company and so yeah they're just that that has set now the precedent that your AI that you're training clearly irresponsibly so can go out and commit crimes with impunity and no when it's held accountable that's the precedent that has been set right now because it they have ownership over it they act like because it's distant and their intention is not to loot even though they know that the technology that they have developed is going to loot but because their intention is not to loot it's different it's not they know that this is a risk rate it kind of feels like they released not a technology but like a disease that now is spreading like around the world it has a pandemic feeling to it and I guess there's these like long term scary things of it all being owned by billionaires and all this job loss I'm not even sure if that's the most immediate thing because I mean what happens if Wells Fargo gets zeroed out what happens if an electric grid gets taken down those are the things that could happen maybe in the next couple of weeks potentially wait a few months and we'll find out yeah yeah oh and and then the Anthropics says we have to make it through 18 months and then it'll all get figured out and their assumption is is that 18 months from now the whole world will have AI cybersecurity that they're selling them that's strong enough to fight the AI attackers and that's all going to happen 18 months but it does seem sort of like kind of like a power scaling arms race where it's like well even if we make our AI security defense a certain extra strong at some point well there's just going to be another AI that exploits that one and we'll be not just that what what Sam Altman alluded to there is that having your sites secured by these super strong AI's creates its own security vulnerabilities because they're so strong that we don't understand how they operate so why you know it's like the king who has the Praetorian Guard that is becomes very strong those kings don't tend to last very long the guards are like wait a minute why why are we protecting this loser right and they just and then they just become the kings like that that's what's happened throughout history but I want you guys to understand this logic that you're laying out right now Ryan and Griffin this logic is core to the way that these AI people think about how progress is going to work I mean we're already in a place like to analyze the hugging face hack you had to use AI because it was like what what's the term I can't remember the term it's like a amount of data more than every book that's ever been published like it's a petabyte a petabyte multiple petabytes okay that they had to analyze so you're already dependent on the AI to analyze the AI's behavior and nobody understands how these things really work and what they're up to and whether or not they're quote-unquote aligned and the biggest hope of people who are in this space who are hoping to achieve some sort of whatever alignment means is that you will have a smarter AI who's gonna tell us how to align the AI like I'm not kidding this is already where we're at and so with the hacking thing in a way Sam Altman is right we are already no match for this stuff we already are in a position where we do have to rely by the way the way that they shut down the hugging face AI hack AI that's how they did it so that's this is already the world that we live in and so I hope people can use a little bit of imagination to think about where this leads we're already outsourcing key security components to AI because it's already beyond our capability to deal with that's where we are today not in the future that's where we are today so what is going to look like a month from now two months from now a year from now when as much as they say we got to pace with frontier no one's doing it the government is not solving collective action problems saying no we're gonna pause until we figure out what the fuck is going on here no none of that is happening also can we get a tiny bit of humility from Ed Zittron and his people at this point like this is quite obviously not just made up hype in order to scare monger for their IPO like that I understand why people had that impulse to believe that because these are untrustworthy scammers but at this point it's time we kind of shed that idea like we're we're beyond that I've seen no humility to all from Zittron who really discredited idea Zittron is out doing like victory laps about the AI bubble popping which is like well nobody ever disagreed that there was an AI bubble both can be true yeah well and I was gonna say it's brilliant that goes for a bunch of bunch of y'all viewers too like a little humility on this yeah I think they've moved on this to be honest with the Orion I've seen an I've seen an evolution in that the audience in how they think because it's just which is fine undeniable of course how are we supposed to know I was in the hype camp for a while too myself because it makes I owe these corporate I mean you're you're right to mistrust these people continue to mistrust these people but the truth is what you will hear a get it again from people who journalists and people who are been on the inside is no they are not hyping it they are underselling the risk that's what they're actually doing the problem is on the other side that guy Dean ball came out and admitted like oh yeah I've been underplaying the problems here I'm my bad I'm gonna do better in the future he used to be in tech policy at the White House now he's back over at open AI and although my bad I was I was just lying to the public about the threats here but I'm gonna do better in the future that is actually what's going on when you talk to these people one-on-one is what Kevin Ruiz told us when we you know interviewed him over his book they are much more dire in their predictions their p-dum is much higher than they predict then they actually put forward publicly because you sound insane when you talk about some of this stuff and because guess what when you want to sell a product it is actually not good to advertise to everyone that the product is going to destroy the entire world that is actually not a good sales pitch but now they have a better sales pitch to the point that Ryan made earlier which is that yes the product is going to destroy the world which is why you need the product to prevent the product from destroying the world they've created an army and now they're saying the only way to defeat that army is actually to hire our army to buy our army government contracts like that is self-licking ice cream cone that's what they've made here that's what they've done yeah the the left needs to move from its hype to lock them up the 2028 candidate needs to start locking people up and maybe this is Pandora's box and it's too late but people need to start being punished for this um yeah 100% shout out to Bernie shout out to Greg Kazar who've been on it shout out to Abdul who I've seen really focusing on this as well yeah I mean there there have been some some good voices but yes I agree Griffin we need to to evolve to that position 100% and I'm very scared for our Internet business, you know, I am not a coder. 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I'm not sure what they have on the Android side there, but also you should be using an authenticator app. Like too many people are still, by now everybody understands you got to do two factor, right? - I just don't believe that's gonna stop these super intelligent AI's. - All right, Griffin is one of your first targets. (all laughing) - No. - And so-- - Griffin, password one, two, three, four, five. - If Griffin gets happy, we all get mad. - Yeah, I'm gonna talk about what I do, but there are authenticator apps out there that are good for two factor so that they can't basically still get a sim and steal your phone number so that they can then figure, yet they can get through the two factor that uses mobile or email much more easily than they can. And I thought authenticator app. My point about Griffin making himself a target here, you guys know the joke about the two guys who are at a campsite and there's a bear. - And you only have to run faster than the other guys. - Yeah, the guy's lacing up his shoes every time. You can't outrun a bear. And guys, I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you. So all you have to do is outrun Griffin. (laughs) - Now the problem is there are now infinite bears with infinite speed, so that's a problem. - Yeah, that does change the calculation there and doesn't it? Yeah, I mean, I thought I was reading someone online who was like the authenticator app, use like the password generator thing. - Yeah, one pass. - Yeah, one pass. - And let them generate the passwords, yes. - Yeah. - Yeah. Do all that. And it's really easy, it's not that hard. Like authenticator app, one pass or some other password app that then generates brand new passwords for everything you use. Stop using the same password for everything. - I mean, the problem is gonna be when they get around those security things. They find ways to get around any authentication anyway. - It's like an image of the-- - Let's not go full nihilist. We can do what we can do. And it may or may not be sufficient, but at least we won't be the easiest targets to pick off. - Right. - How about that? - It's like the image of when people are like, it's like the lock on the door held by like a cheeto. Like to me, that's, that's two factor authentication at this point. - So you have none? - No, I mean, I do it, but it was your email on one side. You give them your number on the other way. - Exactly, so don't do that. Use the authenticator app. - Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. - Yeah, so did you guys see one of the hacks that was a signal and some sort of bug that could make it so that it leaves your mic and your camera on after you've hung up the call? - Oh, that was a bad one. - That was a really bad one. - Start taking your webcams or have a business, business computer and personal computer. - It's so bad though, 'cause I mean, we freaking carry these around everywhere with us. It's that we carry a glural camera and microphone around with us everywhere we go. - Connected straight back to the oligarch database. - Yeah, and yeah, it's, it's not great. It's not great out there, folks. But do what you can do, at least you won't be the first wave of targets. And maybe they'll start taking things seriously before they get to you then. - This next one, for BP, from the surprising TYT documentary revealing Lindsay Graham as gay will BP create one about a closeted bisexual president. He hides it so well from loving musicals. - That was to objectifying men's bodies. - We sure. - Yeah, I was thinking yesterday, I was thinking to tweet out like, I've got a hot scoop on how Saga and Jenny actually really hates weed. - Yeah, that's the thing is like surprising documentary. You know what I've been more surprising? If the documentary revealed Lindsay was straight. Like they're like, we had him hooking up with women. That would have been more surprising. - Look, you know what's hilarious? - I was, Kal and I interviewed Tim Miller yesterday in the bull work. We got by the way, plugged for that because we got into all the left liberal drama stuff. - Oh good. - People will probably enjoy it. But anyway, at the beginning, we were just gossiping about Lindsay Graham. And I was about to make the obvious joke of like, oh my god, who could have seen this coming. But Tim jumped in and was like, I actually thought he was straight because I hung out with him at a bar one time and he didn't hit on me. - I was like, I actually have the one person who is a little bit shocked. Or Tim was taking a hit. - Tim, you've aged out. - No, Tim's aged out. - Look at the guys that, - Yeah, when was that? - The guy from the doc, you know, I think Tim is. - I think this was a while ago. - This was what he did. - Yeah, Tim was like, would have been in his Republican era, you know. - Yeah, those 20s and 30s. - Yeah. - Julian said he was still hitting on him and Julian's more in his age category. - Demographic. - No, that's what, I was gonna say, I did a piece on this. And I think the problem with that documentary is they do have this massive claim, which is that Lindsey Graham taped sex with a man who says he was underage. And he said he told Lindsey Graham at the time he was 18. But that, if you have like news judgment, you realize that's the whole ball game. Like these people who have already made comments about being hired to have sex with Lindsey Graham, the documentary should center around this brand new piece [BLANK_AUDIO] information, which is that he potentially taped himself having sex with somebody who was under age. And that's before he gets into the Senate and then there's possibly this blackmail that's spinning around out there. So I think the documentary didn't do itself any favors by not like they kind of buried the lead that was literally the last interview. Yeah, but it's just a claim though, yeah, but it was backed up by documentation. So yeah, it is just a claim, but if you're going to have someone go on the record with a major claim like that, you should make the lead of the documentary. Anyway, it's also a bit grandiose to call it closetocracy when you're just talking about one dude. Who's not there anymore? And who's dead? Yes. All of that. If I want, yeah, if I'm we're going to get a documentary, I want to know how he died. Like that's the, that's the rabbit hole like experiencing theory now we're talking, now we're talking. I know enough about how he lived don't need to know anymore. And to the point of this closeted bisexual president, it does seem like every rally now and it's almost a little tired, but Trump is basically just like, I'm attracted to these guys. Yeah. He's out. He's very out. And it had me thinking. You're second president. Our second. That's right. You guys who the first one was James Buchanan. James Buchanan. Have you guys seen the way that I am linked to our serves a way that Eisenhower serves you can. Oh, well, Abraham Lincoln. There's really something in that one. There is. No, there actually is. Yeah. He's thinking about if Trump somehow lives and continues like surviving, not just through 2028, but maybe even like a 2032, just how disintegrated his mind will be at that point that he will just be just like moaning and commenting on all these Republican primary presidential candidates and just talking about their looks like how advanced will the gay dementia be by that point? It's just going to be unreal. He would be with us for another 100 years. I see Emily. I totally agree with you. Kyle is all in on the like the health thing and the hands and all this. And I'm like, you are fooling yourself. This man is never going to die. He will never. He has made a deal with the devil and he is going to be with us forever. That is how this is. Like, how is he? How is he so like? How is he not ailing right now with his diet is ailing physically? He's not. He's fine. Have you heard the sounds he's making now? I know he is. There's a sound that he keeps making like, like, he like, I know, but he should be in a wheelchair. He should be in a wheelchair. That's all I'm saying. Based on diet, lack of exercise, he should be in a wheelchair at this. Actually, I'm on majority report later and Emma said that one of the things we might talk about is the weird noises he's making. So I actually hadn't tuned into this particular thing. I have to do some research before I get on that. I'll, uh, analyses out there, you'll want to peruse before you go on, I'm sure Kyle will be all over it. I'll just ask him for some updates before I go on. He's doing noises like and so I don't know what that means. All right. Our final question from W. Buttington. What are the host thoughts on many his songs, interviews, slash debates with Neera Tandon and Matt Eglaceus? Have you guys watched any of these? I have. Right. I, I, I have only watched a couple of clips. I feel like if I had more time in the day, I would love to like do that sort of thing. Yeah, but it's just, it's, it's, it's just raw entertainment, um, but I, I just, I just, I just haven't had time to get to them. Yeah. I actually, I actually haven't watched it either because I don't know. I just like, I, I, I know Maddie, I'm sure did a fantastic job because that's just what he does. But I'm also just, like, I'm very familiar with the contours of this debate. I don't really need any education on it. So it hasn't made it into my playlist either yet. Yeah, but that's, go ahead. I mean, the commenter says I'd probably agree more with Maddie on most issues, but I think he's doing a real disservice to the moderate, versus progressive conversation by being overly personal with these interviews, slash debates. Emily, what do you think about that? I haven't, I haven't watched the debates. I was just, you know, I kind of deserve it. I know the one that I did see is, you know, her, I am talking about her, bringing Netanyahu into, to cap. And then she was caught afterwards being like, yeah, it was worth it because, you know, we've like, got some wealthy person on the board because of it. So I, I mean, they're, it's, it's worth getting into some of those things, I think, and maybe that reads as personal, maybe they were other things. She's kind of personal too though. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. She's a big girl. She's very smart. Like, she's very capable. She handles herself, you know, you don't need to have kid gloves there. She knows what she's doing. Eglace is though, can't quite handle it. He's got, he's like basically going on Twitter. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Somebody. Eglace, he's been face planting a bit, but near as a shooter, I, I, I got to respect her. You know, you know, she, I was like, she's very intelligent. And sometimes I think we can make our ideological opponents like stupider in our, in our minds when we're just engaging with them on Twitter, but she's very, very smart. She doesn't really get flustered. And you know, sometimes it seemed like Medi was the one getting a little triggered. Really? And so I think, you know, Nira has, it's also impressive that she's showing up to these spaces where people are very, very aggressive to her and she's ready to go. So I had to get some points to Nira for all that. Ryan, you might remember this famous real house, I was a New York City quote where Kelly Benzimone is saying, Bethany Frankel, will you are in, or no, it's not Kelly Benzimone. It's, I think it's Alexa or Alex McCord, who says, well, you are in high school. I am in Brooklyn. And my version of that right now is, well, you are in, well, you are in the Medi-Hasson near a Tandematic Glacier debate. I am in PBD and Adam Friedland. And Griffin is to, and Griffin is to, what do, what do you want to get out of this Emily? Like, what did you, what did you, you said fan experience? This is really what he said. We got to get on TVD sometime. You do. All right. That's going to do it for us this Friday. I hope you enjoyed the midterm madness and all of the AI hacks. Hopefully the internet is still here when we're back Monday morning. We've got one last regular show week. And then the week after that is going to be a massive live stream election coverage. Lots of exciting stuff to get into there. We will also have some exclusive content and exclusive parts of the live stream just for our premium members at breakingpoints.com, which you can of course, as always, sign up for a free trial or convince harass, coerce your friends and family to do the same. Um, but yeah, everybody, uh, put some, put some money under the mattress and we'll see you on Monday. 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