10/15/26: Trump Threatens To Use MOAB On Iran, Israel's New Security Doctrine, Leaked Ken Paxton Audio

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It was also done by Trump in order to salvage a dying war. Does anyone remember how Afghanistan turned out? You can tell me how exactly the military consequences of dropping that were. And so that's the context of which you should look at, which they write in here. It's a quote, information operation, AKA it's propaganda, in order to say we dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb ever in human history. And guess what? It did nothing in Afghanistan the entire reason why you would drop it here is this bomb, just so people understand, is capable of eviscerating about nine city blocks, but it is not a bunker buster bomb. It's designed to eviscerate things on the surface. So the only reason to drop it would be to cause mass civilian damage and infrastructure, which I guess would be a quote, propaganda victory. It would be not only an escalation in terms of what we do, but it should be seen in the same flailing context of why the United States dropped it. Why the United States dropped the Moab in the first place in Afghanistan, which was to quote, scare the Taliban, who eventually do what? Win the entire war a couple of years later. So the entire thing is a propaganda op. It would just be designed to take out energy infrastructure. I mean, the current science, Crystal, I'm not sure about you. I have a feeling of dread in my stomach where the United, I mean, we're gonna get to this and we're gonna show everybody. We are currently in a situation where what Iran is doing in the Strait of Hormuz is so genuinely unprecedented, even in the case of, the entire war. The number of ships that have been taken out. We're gonna show you images of one of them literally sinking to the bottom. And you can actually now see it from the satellite imagery, the tanker, which is obviously now obstructing channel in the Strait of Hormuz. Not a single response yet from CENTCOM. A tiny little small boat was taken out yesterday. I think November 4th is gonna be one of the bloodiest days of this entire war after the midterms. They're just saving and penning it all up. And I think things are about to get so, so, so much worse. After the midterm elections. It's gonna be a disaster. - If it even waits till then, I'm not convinced that it does. Because the Iranians are very convinced that Trump is going to go back to some sort of full-on assault. And so they may also be considering some sort of preemption for themselves so that they are not waiting for their adversary to dictate the timing. Then you get into that counter logic from Trump where if he thinks the Iranians are gonna preempt his attack, he may go ahead first. You know, your way of describing this mother of all bombs plan as a propaganda op is, I think, really important. And we're used to having like messaging bills in Congress, you know, that aren't meant to really do anything or accomplish anything, but it's like, yeah, now we've got messaging bombs, right? I mean, that's how sick and depraved and pathetic and absurd this entire situation ultimately is. But he may be looking for some sort of a propaganda win that he can achieve in advance of the midterms because we're gonna talk to Logan later about how disastrous the polls look, really across the board. There could be a miss, you never know, but the Republicans and the Democrats both think that this is going to be a massive blue wave. Trump knows he has a lot of trouble. That's why he's campaigning in a bunch of red states. He's headed down the campaign in South Carolina. Would anyone a year ago have said, oh, you're gonna have to go and shore up the state of South Carolina during these midterms? That's how bad things have gotten. So perhaps he's thinking, oh, I can drop this bomb. And just like he lied and said that he destroyed the nuclear program, just like he's lied and said, oh, I destroyed the Air Force, I destroyed the Navy, he could also say, I could also lie and pretend like this accomplished something shortly before the midterms. So I think that's very much on the table as well. - Yeah, look, you could be right, of course. I just think that something is bubbling to the point where you can see how the people in Trump's ear are gonna be talking up, like, how can you let this happen? I would tease this. Let's put A1 up here on the screen. I mean, this is completely insane. Like, take a look at this. This is a massive tanker, which is sinking in the Strait of Hormuz. This is a Singaporean flagged vessel, the Singaporean government confirmed, which sank to the bottom. I mean, it's cargo is drifting all over the place to the extent where all of these smugglers in boats, let's put A2, you can see this, these are all smugglers which go back and forth from Iran to Oman, like, every single day. I read an entire article about what they do. They converge on the ship, and apparently they're shouting, hey, there's iPhones, there's perfume, who wants this? They're basically taking it and starting, sell it immediately right there, gonna sell it on the black market. I mean, it's funny, but it's crazy. I mean, you have, what, billions of dollars worth of cargo that's transiting the Strait, you know, now on a semi-weekly basis, and any of it can just sink at any point. Now, there's a lot of confusion over whether this was struck or whether it hit a mine. Obviously, you know, it's good for the Iranians in either case, but this is unprecedented, you know, to have a sink, or to have a ship like this, that sunk, to immediately, you know, warn all of the others that are coming through. CENTCOM is claiming over on Monday that some 19 million barrels were brought through the Strait of Hormuz, but remember, they bring it through in a convoy system, and we had some 20-something million barrels per day that were transiting without having to go through the cover of darkness and a US naval blockade. So it is very obviously beginning to affect all, not only the global oil market, but also even challenge the notion of US control. And it just demonstrates how, look, we can throw all this money, we can tick up the numbers of barrels per day over and over. But at the end of the day, the Iranians, this is existential. And for them, they're crafty. They're going to figure it out. Let's put A5 up here. Just to give you a perfect example, this is from Reuters about how Iran is shifting tactics to step up their attacks on shipping before the US vote. So the US went and bombed all of these radar systems. Remember, a couple months ago, when all we were doing was just bombing along the Strait of Hormuz, it was just radar, radar, radar. Well, what does the IRGC do? They go, OK, well, there's tons of little small boats out there. Send one of our guys. Give him a pair of binoculars. Give him a walkie-talkie. That's all he does. That's all it takes. There's a guy out there in a walkie-talkie in a small boat, just relaying. They're like, yep, we've got a ship coming through right now. Here are the coordinates. Fire away. And they were able to sink. And then it doesn't take all that much of sophisticated targeting. It just takes one. Just to disrupt. Shipping. As we have said here over and over again. And actually, this bears out then, because CENTCOM, one of their first strikes in weeks was one of these small boats with a spotter that was on board of a motorboat. So now they're trying. And by the way, how do you even know that they really know? It's like the drug trafficking thing. You really know. I mean, you've got all those guys, smugglers, and all these other people that are out. I'm not saying they're great people or anything. But you don't know who exactly is out there with walkie-talkie. And you just randomly hit some boat under suspicion. Yeah, good luck. Yeah. You can't hit them all. Well, and we also just got, speaking of those drug strikes, we also just got data in that more cocaine is flowing than ever. I mean, obviously, even it's morally abhorrent and also completely failed as a policy. So you can apply those lessons to what's going on here as well. Now, in the Iranians, there's increasingly analysis coming out from Iran saying basically they like the position they're in. They feel like time is to their benefit. That they, you know, if the U.S. does decide to escalate, if Trump does decide to escalate, they feel they have a lot they can do in response. And they also feel that the longer time goes on, the more the news tightens around the U.S. economy. And so you've seen this increased slow and steady escalation effectively ever since the U.N. General Assembly, where they're striking more and more and more ships as we approach the midterm elections. Right. Right. Right. Which has long been seen as this sort of critical moment that the Iranians have been focused on in terms of making Trump pay. So while on the one hand, yes, I'm sure the economic situation within Iran is very difficult. I'm sure that it is, you know, very hard for the civilians, for everybody that is living there. There's also increasing indications that part of the reason oil is transiting through the Strait of Hormuz is because countries are paying Iran for the privilege of bringing those ships through. There's increasing evidence of that. So the idea they're totally cut off and they're not making any money, that does not seem to be true. And some of these numbers of barrels of oil that are coming through seem to be because Iran is allowing them through for a price. So that's important to keep in mind here in terms of some of these dynamics that are being touted by the Trump administration. This is Jenny Garth. And if you're like me, it feels like everyone is talking about weight loss injections because the results are. So dramatic. But what if you're looking to lose weight without weekly injections, especially when you hear about those intense side effects? There's good news. Doctors have created a weight loss supplement called Lean, and the results are amazing. 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What you can see with the Strait of Hormuz, and by the way, A4, let's put it up here on the screen. Everybody paid attention to that Singaporean tanker. There was another tanker, or another ship also, that sunk in the Strait after being hit by a projectile. The number of attacks now is more than 20. And now you are beginning to see some of the cataclysmic rhetoric return in the war. Let's put A3 up here on the screen, and I will read a rough translation. This was the emir of Qatar in a statement to citizens, saying, We must be prepared for the worst possibilities, and everyone must bear their responsibilities, institutions, and citizens. I mean, what he's talking about here is not only a shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz, but it also ties into this conflict with Saudi Arabia. I mean, we cannot overstate this enough. Aramco was literally on fire. We don't know yet the extent of the damage. We will never know because they're liars and they cover up literally everything and arrest anybody who has the temerity to take a picture. Their airport is now shut down. Shut down to the extent, let's put A8 up here on the screen. This is shocking. So remember, the airport in Riyadh is actually scheduled to open in two days. Well, it doesn't look like that because right now there are, quote, dozens of planes that have now been evacuated for safekeeping elsewhere, not exactly saying that it's going to reopen anytime soon. Saudi airlines are now rushing to evacuate as much as $4 billion worth of aircraft, private jets, commercial airliners, helicopters, all which were parked at the kingdom's capital, Airbus. The airport has now been moved. The strike obviously devastated the airport. 300 civilians were injured. At least 14 have been killed. And you can see they have now, allegedly, they're closed until midnight on Sunday. But airlines, insurers, and plane owners, nobody wants to have their stuff that is there on the ground. Who's going to fly through there? Yeah, what kind of an idiot even wants to fly through at this? I can't even imagine what it would take, you know, to get on a plane like this. Quote, The number of aircraft on the ground in Riyadh has now dwindled from 134 to 38 as of noon Wednesday. And so of those, one has already been written off with five others suffering some level of damage. So about a fifth of the planes that are on the tarmac are there because they can't fly because they've been hit, right? And so this is craziness. I mean, already the insurance, according to insurance claims, you've got $400 million in damage that remains on the ground just to the aircraft that are there. I mean, again, it's very hard to explain to people. What this means for the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. This is a country which it's not just their multi-billions. They use their money for cultural influence. They did it after 9-11 to make everybody forget that 1,519 hijackers are Saudi. They did it for the next 20 years to buy influence in Washington. They have bought, I mean, God, who knows, from EA, sports, video game companies, the live golf situation, tennis, UFC. Formula One. Formula One, right, exactly. But UFC was UAE. Right. Right. Right. You get my point. It's like this is like a golf strategy. And now you can't fly there. I mean, that just. it pierces the entire thing just like dubai and many of those hotel strikes that happened early on for example put a7 glenn greenwald uh flagged this you know riyadh has now announced the postponement of their third edition of their quote international six kings grand slam tournament which was originally scheduled for in a couple of days where you could see the decision reflects their commitment to quote delivering sporting events to the highest standards following assessment of organizational logistical challenges associated with hosting the tournament and their potential impact on the quality of the audience experience aka we don't want our players and our audience to die of drones when they are present in our country or to be hit when they're flying in i mean you know there was a hootie guest on yesterday and you could kind of see the delight in the guy's voice over inflicting this about just i mean admittedly it was funny uh to see him but this is the strategy is working they are piercing what makes saudi saudi the world economic forum the new davos the world petroleum council i mean they want to hold themselves up as a genuine as statesmen as members of the elite they tried to buy their way in and this is just taking that all apart in in a matter of weeks i've never seen anyone say we're going to open the gates of hell with a bigger smile on their face than that guy um but i mean this is devastating i mean this is staying to that and ryan keeps pointing out that there's a lot of saudi money involved in this ellison paramount deal so you know all of those things are sort of up for grabs now i'm sure they have lots of money that they bank but they already had to pull the plug on live golf before you had the the hootie ansara law escalation here so um it's quite devastating to them mbs has got to be on very precarious political footing guy is a psychopath like brutal tactics in order to obtain power rest of his family doesn't have to be on very precarious political footing and he's got to like him now you have a population that is has been used to a very luxurious life um on the backs by the way of millions of guest workers who are there to do you know all the the jobs that they don't want to do and who are treated at best as like indentured servants and uh what happens if those people start to leave what is that going to do to your economy what is that going to do to the way that you're used to living and then all of these glamorous events that have been brought to the kingdom or that have been you know financed from the kingdom all of that is going away now and um it's a new world that we're living in where a group like the hoothies which are you know this insurgent group that have uh basically take you know been able to successfully take over control of most of the population centers of yemen armed with some significant technology and drones and ballistic missiles they are able to bring a much larger much much much much much much wealthier country to its knees so um it's a it's a wild thing to see and um you know the the saudis mbs has made just a devastating error here in provoking them because they had previously had this you know this more or less ceasefire um detente for some time babel mandab is very important for them with the straight of hormuz being in the situation that since then enable in order to um export their oil now that is all in jeopardy so it it really is a disastrous situation for them you're speaking of the oil markets i thought these were some interesting comments from biden's former energy envoy a guy named amos hoekstein who was talking about okay what's the reality with the straight of hormuz what is actually going on there and um he has some some pretty revealing comments here about the notion that we have quote-unquote control over the straight of hormuz let's go ahead and take a listen to that i look at it as opportunity costs as well in other words do i control the straight now oil is getting out but the shipping costs are at 1.4 million dollar million dollars a day when there were a hundred thousand so i can say i control it but it's costing me what if they say okay we'll sign a deal and say that the straight is open but you will pay us a million dollars for every one of the ships that go through that that sounds like one that would be a discount to where we are right now not much of um well the tankers right now are under fire so he says uh sure you can claim it's you know that we have control but it's costing us millions of dollars um and billions that if we if we if iran actually just to underscore as he says if they charged us a million dollars per ship that would be a tremendous discount from where we're at today that's the reality of the situation right exactly right and i mean how can you say with a straight face you control the straight of hormuz a ship just sunk to the bottom like this doesn't happen unless there's unless we're in the middle of a war like how can you look at that photo and say that this is not i mean that's the whole purpose of the u.s navy i mean i know i'm exaggerating here but like ships are not supposed to be hit by mines and sink in the year 2026 this is stuff i'm supposed to be in black and white footage from world war ii with the u-boat i am not supposed to see it today and yet here i am watching it in real time and you know you joke and all of that about our people joke and all of that about uh oh and you know drone warfare and the u.s bring brought to its knees but like it really is true like this is the purpose of the united states navy to be able to pull off things like this and if guys in motor boats and shouldered fire missiles can take this down you know the military doesn't run the world the insurance companies do the state-backed oil companies do and every single one of those who was potentially willing to run the blockade looking at some of the kepler data and all that they're like i don't know about this and now you're watching the u.s flail so i don't have many of these elements but breaking as of this morning i'm sure you guys have seen the situation with russia right where the united states overnight turns off starlink or whatever like reduces starlink's usage to stop ukrainian drones from disabling russian refineries then zelensky comes out and says okay we won't do it and now this morning he's actually out in a new financial times interview you know going after trump again just like he did back in february of 2025 he's attacking him personally but more importantly saying we don't care what the americans say we're going to keep hitting the refineries the u.s is apparently flailing and they're now looking to unsanction all the dark tankers that are non-iranian in order to free up the ability to hire freight because of that million dollar a day cost that we've talked about so much with sal i mean literally ten to fifteen times more expensive and all of that is showing up what is it it's like 35 per barrel apparently just the sheer cost of freight which you can already see in oil you're seeing the amount of money that is being paid i mean you're basically sacrificing and look i'm a person who wanted to restrict ukraine from the beginning right so i'm not going to weep tears for the ukrainian military but the point remains that you start to see that you have to flail in all other aspects of your personality like you have to strip the fads out of you have to strip the fads out of Now the whole Russia thing, you're like, okay, cut it loose. We can't deal with this anymore because it's putting more pressure on the diesel market. We're going to buy Russian diesel, even though we're legally not even allowed to. We're going to free up Venezuelan and Russian tankers. I mean, you have to start sacrificing serious parts of your other remaining foreign policy. And I would be fine doing that intentionally, but being forced to do it, that shows you how desperate they already are. It means you can't be strategic about it. It's just desperation, it's triage, it's flailing. I mean, this whole Trump policy has been nothing but flailing from the get-go. He's actually now admitting that it was a mistake to assassinate the supreme leader and a lot of the government leadership because, you know, it just hardened the regime. It didn't collapse. Then who do you negotiate with? The previous people apparently would have been easier to negotiate with. The new folks are more aggressive and, frankly, more cleverly strategic than the last set had been. But you ready for this? Sagar, this just dropped exclusive from Semaphore. Saudi is set to drop. Plans for five 2034 World Cup stadiums. Saudi Arabia's Sovereign Wealth Fund is preparing to inform organizers of the 2034 Men's Soccer World Cup. Plans to drop five new stadiums it proposed to build to host the tournament. Public Investment Fund will narrow its focus to three new stadiums as it cuts spending on some of its signature domestic investments. Dropping the five venues would leave the kingdom with 10 stadiums for World Cup matches. The changes are part of a revised plan the kingdom is going to submit to FIFA. So, I mean, this is a V marquee event that they're building toward. And the fact they're having to pull back so significantly, five new stadiums that they're completely scrapping, shows you the dire economic straits that they're facing right now. Right. I mean, these things seem silly, right? But if you know the Gulf, this is what they live by. It's like Qatar in the World Cup. It was ridiculous to hold a World Cup in Qatar. Why did they do it? Because they paid their way in. In order to get everybody to even know that. They spent oodles and ridiculous sums of money. And a bunch of Indians and Pakistani laborers died erecting these ridiculous stadiums with roving air conditioner. Why do you do it? For image, right? You have all the money in the world, but everybody looks down on you, basically, because everyone knows you're only rich because you have a bunch of oil under your feet. Well, now it's the same in Saudi Arabia. And for years, you know, they keep trying to build themselves up, and it gets pierced in a second like this. And that is genuinely the type of thing which will be felt so deeply and painfully by MBS and the coterie of the people around him. Because that was the strategy from the beginning, to buy the real estate, to buy the parts of culture, to host the World Cup, to be, you know, Cristiano Ronaldo, to really be a beating heart of something other than oil, to be a business in sports humiliating, genuinely, for them. And so, look, all things trending in a bad direction. No matter where you move, if you're pro-Ukraine, if you're pro, you know, whatever. If you want pro-peace, if you're, you know, if you're interested, Iranian, I really would worry because I think this mother of all bombs, whether it's pre-midterm, post-midterm, I think it's going to happen. I think there's almost no question at this point because he's just been sitting in the White House. He's seething that they're not doing anything. His advisors are like, look, you can't do anything before the midterm. So it's either going to be right before or right after. I think the energy infrastructure, I think we are going to hit it. I think things are going to get really, really dark. I do. All right, with that peachy segment, let's get to Dr. Trita Parsi, who's standing by to talk about a new, shocking new security doctrine coming out of the state of Israel. Let's get to it. This is Jenny Garth. And if you're like me, it feels like everyone is talking about weight loss injections because the results are so dramatic. There's good news. Doctors have created a weight loss supplement called Lidl. And the results are amazing. If you've got 10 pounds or more to lose, or you're struggling with stubborn fat in those problem areas like the tummy, love handles the thighs, doctors created lean just for you. Get started now with 20% off and free rush shipping. So you can add the Lidl supplement to your diet plan. and lean to your own healthy diet and exercise plan right away. Visit take lean.com and enter Jenny for your discount. That's promo code Jenny at take lean.com. Oh my god, Lexi, we have a new podcast. 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But I've met the devil, and he's real. Listen to The Devil's Quarry Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear The Devil's Quarry Season 2 ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple. Very excited now to be joined by our great friend, Dr. Trita Parsi of the Quincy Institute. Thanks for joining us, sir. We appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. You recently flagged a fascinating new report out of Israel. Let's put this up here on the screen from your sub stack. Israel's new and terrifying security doctrine. You find that they now cite the United States, quote, as a declining power, given its ongoing social and political shifts, which will abandon Israel at any event. And this is compelling Israel to move towards greater self-reliance in order to avoid excessive dependence on the United States. Now, that might be potential music to your and my ears, but some of the other consequences of that are kind of terrifying, as you write. Why don't you lay out what they found and then what it will look like for the region? So this is a very important report. It has gotten a lot of attention in Israel itself. It's written by a person who is a former major general in the Israeli army, currently the head of one of its main think tanks, I-N-N-S. And they are, he's not advocating this. It's very important to understand. He's not going out there saying this is the doctrine that the Israelis should pursue. Rather, he's arguing that this has become the de facto doctrine that the Israelis are pursuing. And then he lays down the principles behind this doctrine. And he says, well, I'm not going to go out there and say, well, I'm going to go out there and say, well, I'm going to go out there and say, well, I'm going to go out there and say, well, And that's where it gets really interesting. Not only, of course, that essentially saying that the Israelis are now treating the United States as not just a declining power, but a country that Israel ultimately needs to sever relations with in order to retain its own independence and Jewish character. And then he goes on to look at how the Israeli doctrine now looks at the rest of the of this new emerging doctrine or already established but unarticulated doctrine is that, for instance, it's a rejection of the independence existence of Arab states. He says that the Israelis at this point do not even recognize that the Arab states are legitimate states, but rather just a hodgepodge of Arab tribes. And as a result, it's a natural process for Israel to destabilize these countries in order to enhance Israel's own security because these countries are not legitimate states in the first place. He goes on to say that another principle of this new doctrine emerging in Israel is that it views war as a foundational state, that peace has no intrinsic value. It's just something transactional aimed at achieving other goals, but that war is a necessity for statecraft and that preventive war is what is really going to be the most important aspect of war and most useful aspect of the war. And he goes on to say that it gives absolute priority for initiative and offense over defense. So we're talking about a state that not only acts preemptively, but preventively. It just starts wars long before a country, a potential danger emerges from that country, a potential threat emerges from that country, but rather in a way, in the matter in order to prevent it from ever getting to that point. Now, a lot of people would say, look, this is frankly what the Israelis have been doing for quite some time. And I think that is absolutely true. But now we're getting to a point in which the facade is falling off and we're seeing these type of intellectual justifications for it, such as saying that, for instance, these Arab states are not real states anyway. So it's a natural process to destabilize. And I think the critical thing for the United States here is to understand that the United States is not a country that is going to establish these principles, make it the norms of statecraft, that preventive war, for instance, should happen. Destabilizing your neighbors is just a legitimate way of securing your own security and interest. Then for the United States to continue to have a strategic relationship with Israel, the United States itself has to turn to a country that essentially treats war as a desirable state. And that's what the United States is doing. It's a permanent state of war as a desirable state rather than a country that at least on the face of it should be pursuing peace and stability. But peace and stability is no longer principles that according to this person is part of the doctrines and the belief systems of Israel. There's an irony in Israel pointing the finger at the other regional states and saying, oh, these aren't real states. My daughter's in her intro IR class in college. And the very first thing you learn about a state is supposed to have set borders, which is not something that you're supposed to that Israel seems to have. So they may want to take a look in the mirror about who is a real state in the region. But in any case, there's so much to get into here. You know, I just look at this and I'm asking myself, how is this going to work out? Because one of the things that we've you know, that I've long thought is that if the U.S. pulls its support of Israel, Israel is going to have to act more like a normal state is going to have to actually learn to live with its neighbors and not just reach for the sword all the time that they're going to have to negotiate. They're going to have to come to some sort of accommodation. But this vision is the polar opposite of that. It says we're going to have to sever ties with the U.S. because they're turning against us anyway. But we're going to continue on this warlike path where war is just, you know, the normal state of being. And we're going to try to continue to destabilize everyone we possibly can in the region. Absolutely. On your first point, definitely. And I still believe that. I think what you're seeing here is a country that is in this phase of transition in which it It is recognizing that the support that it is getting from the United States that has enabled it to become this type of a state is starting to dry up. It's not going to last for many, many more years going forward. And instead of taking that opportunity to do some introspection and figure out, okay, how do you actually achieve peace if you cannot dominate the entire region, if you cannot establish a reality in which you have deterrence against everyone else, but no one else is allowed to have deterrence against you. If you can't have that, what kind of a peace can you pursue? But instead, what they're doing is they're just doubling down on what they're already doing, because I think the mindset within the security establishment in Israel right now simply does not allow for thinking that goes outside of this paradigm. And that's going to be the end of Israel if it continues on this path. We have no examples of states being able to pursue this type of a doctrine, pursue these principles in the long run and surviving. And flourishing. And particularly not in the modern world. We may have had some examples in ancient times, but even then, we were talking about empires that after a while ultimately decline and fall. So I think we have helped create a reality in Israel in which the type of cost-benefit analysis that is needed in order to be able to have responsible statecraft has simply been taken out. And as a result, as they're now facing the reality that they're not going to have the U.S. to support in the long run, they're still not capable of doing that. And so I think thinking outside of that paradigm and thinking, as you pointed out, how do we then pursue peace? Instead, they're just rejecting peace. I don't think that's going to last. I don't see that as a possibility. But I think it tells you how far we have gone in creating circumstances in Israel that does not allow for that type of irrational thinking to take place. Right. Of course. By defending them from the consequences of all of their actions, they've never paid any real price, even in the middle of the Iran war. We're expending our missile inventory to shoot them down. A lot more people would be dead if they were forced to just have to defend themselves. How do you think this plays out within the next couple of years? I don't expect the Iran conflict to die down anytime soon. In the interim, while they're calling the Gulf states illegitimate, they also seek some sort of quasi-allyship with them. I mean, you have Benjamin Netanyahu begging MBS to come in and to bomb Yemen. Obviously, there's been all these surreptitious and now out in the open How are they going to navigate this? Like, do they see Iran as the first threat and then the Gulf as the secondary? Like, how's this going to look in the next couple of years? Well, it very much depends on what the United States does. If the United States puts down its foot and says, okay, well, now you're on your own. We're not going to provide you with all of the different bombs and munitions and missiles and interceptors that has allowed you to continue these wars, to intensify these wars. Then I think there's going to have to be a real reckoning inside of Israel. I think it's also important to recognize that there's going to be a real reckoning inside of Israel. I think it's also important to recognize that it appears that part of the reason why Haman wrote this piece is precisely because he wanted to be provocative and force the debate to change Israel's direction. But the mere fact that you had to write a piece like this in order to get that change tells you how disastrous the situation has become in terms of strategic thinking in Israel. Now, the Israelis, I think, will try to take advantage of the opportunity that they currently have with a president that is already knee-deep into this crisis and who believes that he has no pathway out of this crisis through diplomacy, through sanctions, or through limited war. And I'm going to explain why I use the term limited war. In a manner that enables him to say, enables history to judge this to have ultimately been a success. I think Trump's mindset right now is that he's desperate because he's trying to find some sort of a fix that turns this story around, a last chapter of the story that makes the entire book look good. And the book so far does not look good in any way, shape, or form. But that means that in his mindset, the only one thing he hasn't tried yet is to do those things he's threatened to do, but not done so far, such as striking at Iran's critical infrastructure, such as striking at desalination plants, energy infrastructure, take a couple of islands, go in with ground troops to take out some of the nuclear sites, etc. And I think that's a very important thing. And I think that unfortunately, Trump is now seriously considering these options. So from the Israeli standpoint, Trump is looking at this only in a manner in which how can he get out of this by going in deeper into it. And that serves Israel very well, because they would like to see the United States to get even further entangled in this war, and do as much as possible to shift the balance of power in the region away from Iran and towards Israel by essentially eliminating all of the different strong states that have the power to do so. And I think that's a very important thing to do. And I think that's a very liberal Zionists would read this and see explicitly that this idea you're going to go back to the 70s conception of Israel or even the early 90s conception of Israel. It's dead and gone. You know, the reality is here. They are choosing the apartheid state. They're choosing the ethnic cleansing. They're choosing the genocide over any hope of a future democracy. And perpetual destabilization of the rest of the Middle East. That's exactly right. Yeah. Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate your time. Thank you so much. This is Jenny Garth. There's good news. Doctors have created a weight loss supplement called Lean and the results are amazing. The studied ingredients in Lean have been shown to lower your blood sugar, burn fat by converting it into energy and curb your appetite and cravings. 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about the little person like crazy but the fact is because of the price of oil that's what's happening in the world right now in texas and oklahoma north dakota and all these places we're making a fortune but i never talk about it because i'm not happy until we get the actual price of the oil down to where it was prior so trump they're trying to frame the high price of oil as actually it's a good thing if you really think about it for the united states does not seem like voters are buying it for more on these dynamics and more we are joined of course by logan great to see you guys too you know what that reminds me of what the framing of the 2012 presidential election which is that barack obama basically lost on who would be better for the economy but people thought that he was fighting for them yes that's right i remember well there is some polling we could get to later about how that is not panning out for trump quite the opposite in terms of how people think i'm sure all of us talk about the ballroom and obsession over those sorts of things it's not helping him there but let's go and put c1 up on the screen um this is a focus on the uh the house of representatives which i think for a while people felt like yeah it's probably going democratic but you've got a lot of republicans who are now conceding the fact like okay we are not going to be able to hold on to the house we also have um if we could put this last element we added this morning up on the screen guys from jake sherman republicans are pulling money from any number of their candidates they are in triage mode meanwhile democrats who have a lot less resources are recognizing they've got a broadening map there are some targets on there that no one would ever have thought was possible they're looking at you know kentucky's sixth congressional district which could be interesting because that's one that comes in at the um early end of the night so in any case it seems like the public polling is matching up with both parties private polling at least with regard to the house of representatives yeah and this is definitely a great sign for democrats part they obviously have better data and they're spending all their time on this and so uh it is hardening for them but at the same time sometimes parties do make mistakes yes in 2022 i actually think democrats lost the house because they over learned the lessons from 2020 when they polls wildly overestimated democrats and they didn't take uh all the polls and the special elections showing they had a real chance to win the house seriously enough they started playing way too much defense further down the line in terms of their tar gop's target list and basically conceded some of these races or at least didn't spend nearly enough in them that they could have won because they came just three seats short and a lot of those races were decided by like one or two percent wow yeah i actually remember that i know i pelosi didn't end up getting you know much blame or anything uh at the time but there were at least some circles were like hey we kind of blew this whenever you actually uh look at it let's talk then a little bit about texas which obviously big you know the big eye is on talrigo but there are growing signs that abbott himself could be in genuine trouble it does appear also like ken paxton's entire staff and fundraising people just hate him because they leak everything he says so here for the ninth time in breaking points modern history is new leaked audio of ken paxton saying greg abbott is struggling in his bid let's take a listen it's the rest of the ticket like you know we hear abbott struggling but is that so yes abbott is struggling but he has a lot of money she has none and i would if i asked 99 for people in a rim or 100 people room maybe one would know no name id he's still close and he didn't have any primary like i did that was brutal with all the negative bad so those are my two disadvantages one was three actually not having time to raise more money having the negative ads and my opponent is well funded and well known that fits logan with some of the latest polls uh let's put uh what is it the next one um up there on the screen c3 because this is from the university of texas crystal you said that this was the most accurate pollster i believe 24 of texas of 2024 of texas u.s senate talrico plus three this is the big news in yosa plus one railroad commissioner rosenthal plus one lieutenant governor also plus three these are all democrats for the record attorney general only the comptroller is running with a slight margin of plus one this is a great pollster obviously highly accurate in 2024. the fact that it what it appears to me is that this is a two-pronged thing trump himself is a massive drag and then you add candidate quality on top of that and all the stars just seem to be aligning for the democrats in texas now obviously this uh that is a rare poll really to see kenyosa actually beating greg abbott but you do have ken max in there who as you just said these people have tons of money and they have private data that you and i don't who are like yeah he's in real trouble he's got problems there's no scattering of polls that we've seen showing her actually taking the lead so yeah abbott is up on average but this is not one of those races that you're going to go into election day if it looks like it does today with there being like a one in three one in four maybe even a 40 chance of it flipping uh if the turnout is particularly strong for democrats which has never been something in abbott's career before this guy has won every single election he's ever run for by at least 10 percent most of them by 20 percent going back i think to 1998. so are you going to also break down that poll sure yeah we're showing us because it's relevant to texas as well one of my sources in texas uh let's go and put this up up here on the screen, guys. So this is from the Barbara Jordan Research Center, one of the best and most high-quality pollsters in the state. And what makes this even more credible is what they did is they just polled a single county. And the reason why they poll this county is Fort Bend is the single best county indicator of suburban and statewide trends. Suburban, ex-urban, extremely diverse, high levels of educational attainment. Trump and Harris were tied here in 2024. The current poll that they find is Tallarico plus 18, Kenyosa plus 11. If you project these numbers statewide, it puts Tallarico and Abbott slightly ahead within approximately two points of each other. And the reason why you should take that seriously is if you look at the RCP average of James Tallarico, you have him at about two points. And so that's what Fort Bend is currently projecting. Now, a lot of this is like demographic extrapolation and more, Logan, but the thing is for Greg, you're going to have to be careful. You're going to have to be careful. You're going to as you just pointed out, is if things just tilt slightly in the wrong direction, that's where you can see a Kenyosa victory that would also happen. So a complete statewide sweep of the top offices for the Democrats. Yeah. And a lot of people are saying it's one of the most impressive races being run by any candidate. And I think they have a point because it's not just that she's running so close against someone that normally wins overwhelmingly. It's that she's doing this at such a massive financial disadvantage. So she's really made use of the time that she has to message all as possible to voters' concerns. I've seen a bunch of these polls of congressional districts where you're then extrapolating out to, OK, they also will pull the statewide candidate. And it seems oftentimes that those congressional districts or countywide polls show an even larger swing towards Democrats. You know, what is the history of which is typically more accurate? What do you make of that fact? Have you noted that dynamic as well? Because I'm seeing that fairly consistently. I think it's partly the things that people decide to review. I think it's partly the public because this is a huge wow moment and showing this district is moving slightly less than you expected at the same rate that would be statewide. It's not very exciting. So I think it's probably what we're hearing are the big wow factors. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. Let's keep going with Texas then and some of the data center stuff. Let's put C4 up here on the screen. This is fascinating just because this is a statewide thing, but you can or sorry, nationwide. Here they say that voters who live near data centers are now swinging hard towards the Democrats. So it's actual proximity of if you're under two, I don't know, some British person must have made this under two kilometers of a data center. You're more likely to vote for a Democrat. Okay. There you go. It was some British person. Can I just plead to the economist? You know, look, if you're going to poll us, you use our damn metrics. All right. Under two kilometers. What is that? I forget how many miles that is. Then you're vastly more likely to vote for a Democrat as opposed to over two kilometers away. Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All this video he has. And he was kind of like one of the first Democrats to really figure this out. I know they were doing it in Virginia as well. Oh, yeah. But the rest of the country hadn't Democrats hadn't gone on board. Sherrod Brown kind of led the charge on this. And it's been he's had a lead for a very long time in this race. And that's part of the reason why. Interesting. Let's put C7 up on the screen, because I think this is probably the single most important dynamic in this entire campaign. You can see here. I mean, the relationship is pretty darn near one to one. As gas prices rise, Trump's approval falls. You can see at that moment when gas prices dip down a little bit. Oh, Trump's approval rating recovered a bit. And then once they started climbing once again, then his approval fell once again. Obviously, his approval is going to be very tightly connected to Republican performance in the midterms. Gas prices have come down again a little bit. And Republicans also seem to have recovered a tiny bit in like the generic ballot. Trump's approval as well. So, I mean, this may be ultimately the metric we look back on at after Election Day and say this really explained the whole thing. Yeah, I think it's the biggest part. And it's also like he's responsible for it. And our voters too harsh on presidents about gas prices. One thousand percent. Like if Russia invades Ukraine or it's a war we have nothing to do with, it's not necessarily fair to blame the president. But in this case, everyone knows it's singularly Donald Trump that is causing this and they blame him for it. And you can't blame him for that. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. Let's put what is it C8 up here on the screen. You were talking a little bit about 2012. So here we have some polling. This is by the AP. They say few think that Trump prioritizes, quote, a lot for the country or people like themselves. Only 11 percent say he prioritizes people like me. I'd like to meet those people. The majority feel he prioritizes, quote, a lot of his business interests and his business interests of his people like me. But it's 11 percent tech oligarchs. That's like point one percent of the country. I'm like, who are these other people? Ten point nine. We are the ten point nine percent. His business interests, the business and services friends, only 56 percent of 56 percent of independents say Trump does not prioritize them at all. Talk to us about that number. Prioritizes people like me feeling like, you know, cares about people like me. It's always a very important kind of squishy number, but seems to have a lot of success in our politics. Yeah. And that's been the thing that has saved Donald Trump compared to other Republicans, and it's why he was able to win in 2016 and was able to win in 2020. And I think that's what he's been fighting for is a lot of people, not necessarily. It was like 48 percent or so of people really thought he was fighting for them. And his actions didn't necessarily say it. I think if you watched him on the stage, you replaced the word I when he was talking about all of his grievances. It kind of became more accurate about why he was angry on the stage. But he was pretty good at selling that he did care. And in reality, all of his policies have been focused on helping people that are wealthy. And I think the other side of this, too, is you have to be really careful when you're president of the United States about what you're doing. And I think that's a big part of the reason why he's been fighting for them. and it's gonna show you roughly what's happening. It's gonna show you directionally what's happening what places are competitive which party is gaining but it's never going to be perfect and it could be off a few points neither way and occasionally more than that right and uh so treat it as something that's useful but don't treat it as an oracle can you speak through the scenarios so like let's say off a little bit off a lot just speak through like what that looks like okay and this is in favor of republicans either both both okay if it's if it's off a lot in favor of democrats then they could clean up and get to like 58 50 like 756 senate races seats so that's crazy i know that's like 2008 in my model uh and that's literally like 2008 or like the 1980 yeah 1980 or like 2010 for republicans yeah no i mean that's completely not okay keep going yeah uh in the other direction uh you know probably the best case scenario for the gop this is like really unlikely it's actually more unlikely than literally what i just said but republicans don't lose anything and gain a seat in michigan or minnesota uh but like the problem for democrats here and it's also their strength in the other direction is all these races are so close because they're overperforming so much in traditionally republican areas which means there's a chance for something truly historic and massive they also could be in a scenario where they do so much better nationally but it doesn't get them as much got it okay so what would that look like in the senate it would retain republican control it means that they would run up really close in kansas iowa nebraska etc but lose like all of them got it right so if you lose kansas by two that's shocking but you still lose it doesn't and if you do that everywhere right because like michigan and minnesota are like surprisingly close given what's happening in other parts of the country what do you make of that maine too yeah maine you could attribute it okay susan collins seems to be the survivor you had the platner troy jackson switch on so it is kind of a unique situation but it is it is odd that michigan and minnesota in particular new hampshire to a lesser extent because again you have sununu and apparently they love sununu's in the state of new hampshire but it does seem to be a little bit different from the state of new hampshire but it does seem to be a strange that you could have a situation where you were just telling me there's a poll that has mississippi close yeah i was going to rally in south carolina because they think this isn't in the bag and yet michigan and minnesota are still like up for grabs maybe there's not enough data centers there i don't know it could be i think so this is my ultimate hot take and a lot of people disagree with me okay i think after decade plus of the country getting more polarized every year we might be heading in the other direction because people hate both parties and so they're more open and unique issues now susan collins does this a lot she's like joe manchin for democrats overperforms like crazy um but in a lot of these places like michigan democrats have a trifecta they had a historic year in 2022 this might be partially a pushback in minnesota uh you have the fraud issue you have michelle tofoya who is unlike is almost able to run like susan collins because she came out of nowhere into politics she's really good communicator as a broadcaster and uh what's her deal again she's she's right yeah that's right and she and because she wasn't a politician then you don't have to be weighed down by any past votes or any of that sort of stuff yeah i've been thinking the same thing too that you know a place like kansas has been consolidated super majority republican control for so long that if people feel dissatisfied then they're pointing the finger in one direction texas same thing exactly in texas that's why all these other races are so close even though people don't really know the candidates in other states if you've had divided government then the it's a mixed really yeah the democrats are in charge here and i'm not in love with what's going on here well minnesota for example you know amy klobuchar is not running a gubernatorial race that's normal for taking over from the your same party she goes i'm inheriting a mess you're like what like you're running you know you're taking over from tim waltz who you backed as she's only the vice president she's only winning by i know nine doesn't sound like a lot but no i know 20 right but in a senate race which is way harder to do than the governor race and that's why you know i read that and i was like huh i was like you know people don't usually talk that way when they're taking over from their party but saying i'm inheriting a mess so clearly there's some dissatisfaction obviously waltz decides not to run for re-election over the fraud issue so i don't know i mean to foia like you were saying i haven't paid that much attention a lot of my republican friends are actually pretty excited about this because it shows flanagan only up by 2.6 i mean that's a very slight miss away from a genuine flip yeah i had a little higher but it's still really close i think it's actually more competitive than michigan huh where lca keeps gaining despite all the outside money right um you know she's attacking her about the fraud issues because she was lieutenant governor and saying it's her fault and also like if she were more tied to ice and honestly if they had mike lindell as the governor nominee this should be a lot tougher because the ice thing minnesota's hated right it's just an attack on their state but the republicans have avoided it because to foia one trump's uh endorsement the easy way because she's in broadcasting and she's attractive and she's a good talker so she didn't have to do the feats of loyalty or talk about the red meat issues which it's not just that she could potentially run well which i think she is it's that she didn't have to do things that would cost her the general election she's no baggage she's never taken any votes you know you don't know anything about her yes right what an l for mike lindell all he did for trump yeah i know well no loyalty trump did come out for him didn't he he said he endorsed him or something yeah that would have been a disaster he would have lost by like 25 i think what that would have it would but what a campaign it would have been uh yeah it would have been like that guy what's his name victor marx i was just thinking yeah no mostriano mostriano is the one he was my state senator by the way when i went to gettysburg for undergrad oh really all right logan we always appreciate your time man thank you thanks guys lisa tell them about our new show we have a new podcast it's called don't lie to me i'm lexi uanu we're two best friends 22 years apart but so close at heart and i'm lisa de julio the old one which means we have wildly different references occasionally different opinions and at 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