10/12/26: Houthis Strike Saudi Airport, Trump Invents Fake Ukraine Ceasefire, Trump Ridicules His Own Supporters

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In the meantime, please hit subscribe to our YouTube channel. If you're listening to the podcast, please share an episode with a friend. But as Crystal said, we have some genuinely shocking news that's been happening over the last 48 hours. We could start with some of this video. It appears that the King Khalid airport in Saudi Arabia has now been completely shut down after shocking missile attacks that have hit the main terminal, killing now 14 people that have been confirmed and injuring over 300. So you can see, I mean, every day type of scenes in a normal Middle Eastern airport, people queuing up for a line immediately blowing, you know, there's fire, there's smoke, they're everywhere direct hit appears, potentially on an aircraft, absolutely, you know, oil depots that are there on fire. I mean, I don't think it is an exaggeration. Say, these are some of the most shocking scenes that have actually come out of the Iran war so far, because this is the most crippling damage that any airport has actually taken throughout despite the Iranians initially attacking Dubai International Airport, Bahrain Airport, and others, nobody has ever scored this amount of direct hits. It is completely shut down the airport airlines, canceling their flights, travel advisories going out across the world. Let's go ahead and actually put a two up here on the screen, which details the damage itself, they say Saudi Arabia says, again, this is an older report, 12 killed 300 wounded in the Oothe attack on Riyadh operations have been suspended as the authorities say that the victims include four Saudis and actually eight foreigners as well, including a US citizen. This has prompted embassies around the world to warn their citizens not to go to Saudi Arabia or to be cautious when they're inside of Saudi Arabia. Obviously, it is a massive blow to the prestige of the Saudi Kingdom, which long held itself up along with Dubai as a major international center for commerce. The Oothe attack here is going to cost the Kingdom literally tens of billions of dollars just in terms of immediate commerce, but more importantly, you can actually see the prestige and the spiral that has happened because several things have now been revealed here, Crystal. Number one, Riyadh is no longer safe, right, is that the Oothees have the ability to strike Riyadh, some of their most important targets if they want to. Number two is, remember, Saudi Arabia's air defense systems are entirely supplied by the United States. So this is actually a big blow to US defense systems or even worse potentially for Saudi Arabia. They're in full of own rationing mode and they have to decide what to shoot down and what not to. And in this case, if you knew something's heading for your airport and you choose not to shoot it down, that means that you're in very, very dire straits. And then three, do not forget that the United States is deeply enmeshed in this conflict. 200 Americans, military intelligence analysts are on the ground, actually assisting the Saudis in their campaign, both to defend themselves and to help strike who the targets inside of Yemen. And so to take this prestige, this blow to the image of Saudi Arabia, to the United States, to its defense equipment and to see scenes like this. I mean, it's genuinely shocking. And it's also, in my opinion, kind of criminal on the Saudi authorities behalf because this airport should have been shut down just a long, long time ago, and many of these deaths never should have happened in the first place. People should not be flying out of this airport period, end of story until there's some sort of a ceasefire. Yeah, well, and that exposes how damaging this whole situation is to the ruling leadership in Saudi Arabia, because it really strikes that there's social contract. The fact that they kept this airport open so long shows you how important and significant this is to the entire social contract that they're operating on in Saudi Arabia, where it's basically like, you know, if you're a citizen there, you have to live under this like repressive authoritarian regime. But you don't have any democracy, but you're going to be well off, you're going to feel safe and secure and like you're in this little oasis apart from any other turmoil in the region. That is completely destroyed. And now you have, let's put it actually a five up on the screen, because this speaks to the destruction of the Saudi image and how damaging this is going to be. So you had a number of oil chiefs who are pulling out of this re-odd energy congress. BP and others are skipping the World Petroleum Council after you had 12 killed in the Houthi attack. By the way, one of those who was killed was an American national as well. So all of these CEOs were meant to be flying into Riyadh for staying at the Ritz Carlton hotel for this big conference. And now they're all pulling out and their port is completely closed. We can put the A5B or A5 up on the screen about how few options the Saudis have here and would have bind therein ultimately. They're caught in an escalation trap. We talked to Robert Pave about it on Friday and Sameez, you know, Trump is in this complete quandary that he himself made the Saudis have created a similarly disastrous situation for themselves because you'll recall there was actually ceasefire between Saudi Arabia and the, you know, the prior Yemeni government and the Houthis. And this was breached when there was an attack on the airport mean airport in Yemen and the Houthis blame Saudi Arabia. I think with some justification for that attack and that's how we end up in the situation. Now, what do you do? You can't walk away if you're Saudi. That would be completely humiliating, you know, this Ragtag group in Yemen with a poorest country in the region. But at the same time, so that would be completely humiliating at the same time, you seem incapable of actually defeating them. So, you know, again, it's really echoes the quandary that Trump has dragged the US into here as well where there are no good answers, no good solutions here. And the Houthis in some ways being a lot more bold than the Iranians have been, you know, willing to exact this very high cost on Saudi Arabia in order to accomplish their war aims. Absolutely. You know, Treetoparcy is making some excellent points this morning. He's doing some interviews in foreign media and he says, you know, one of the problems with Saudi Arabia is now they have horrific options on the table. The main goal of MBS is to get the United States military to come in and basically finish the job for him. Now, obviously, that's very flawed because we've tried that twice and we failed both times and it's Trump himself that had to wave the white flag of surrender and ultimately do a ceasefire with the Houthis. The main reason that we're not involved in this conflict is because we do not want to to front war basically both in the straight-of-form moves and in the Bab al-Mandab straight. Well, as Treetop points out, Trump is unlikely to offer any assistance to Saudi Arabia as long as Riyadh will not allow its airspace to be used by the United States for attacks on Iran. Why? Because at that same time, Iran would then strike Saudi Arabia. So Saudi Arabia is struck in a double vice. It cannot allow the United States on its territory without the Iranians also attacking as well as the Houthis attacking them, but they also desperately need the United States to come and enter the conflict directly on their behalf. Trump was even asked about it, and he kind of brushed it apart in my opinion. Let's go ahead and take a listen to Trump's reaction at the White House when he was asked immediately after the airport attack. Let's take a listen. Decided whether to join the Saudi strikes on the U.S. We may look at it. How soon? We just found out about the recent attack. So we'll make a decision. We move very quickly. You could see he's saying, oh, we just found out about it. We'll move very quickly. A lot of bravado. There's been really no action here, and it just shows the desperation of the United States. You know, guys, I had immediately skipped over this, but let's put A2, the VO, just to show people what's happening at the same time in the Strait of Hormuz, because this ties directly in is that the Iranians, meanwhile, are continuing to pommel the Strait of Hormuz with direct hits on the engine rooms to shut down, to disable any ships that are trying to run their own blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. Now, why does this matter? Because you will recall that previously the United States had a policy of tanker for tanker, that for every tanker that Iran disabled, that the United States would take out one of Iran's tankers, clearly Iran simply did not care about that. The United States has not struck a single one of those tankers in the last 13 days, despite some 16-17 ships now that have been disabled and that have been directly hit by the IRGC. And so Trump is really running scared ahead of the diesel and oil markets, as we'll talk about a little bit with Russia. But just to give people an idea, Brent Crude futures, as of this morning, are sitting around $106 per barrel, all as a result of this houthi shutdown or these houthi attacks and, of course, Iranian pressure in the Strait of Hormuz. At the same time, some news continues to come out from this World Petroleum Council. Nobody is there except for the Saudis, but it's the Saudis themselves that are making the news. A4B guys, please, just so I can show people these latest comments. So what you can see here is a summary of the Aramco CEO, the Saudi state-backed oil company, who is sounding the alarm. And what he says is that, quote, globally, the squeeze-on-crewed oil is serious. He says that what's making the challenge even worse in the refined fuel prices, commercial onshore inventories are now, quote, well below six billion barrels, and they are the last available buffer. So you will remember, we talked a lot about this at the time, is that when you shut down a refinery, or sorry, you don't ever want to shut down your refineries. So, or even really shut down production. So you need a lot of storage. Oil storage is what gives flexibility, price stability to the market. And what they're saying is that the commercial onshore inventory globally of some six billion barrels is just simply not enough. And this is according to CEO of Aramco. He says that the vast majority of these barrels are locked up. And that until Hormuz fully reopens, and confidence returns, the pressure across the energy chain will only intensify. And then finally, his most stark demand, our supposed stark warning, is that refilling inventories while meeting demand could take up to two years. What I think is important about his comments is that you can start to read between the lines from Aramco and from everybody else in terms of the panic. Now, I will say one of the comments he said today is like Saudi Arabia doesn't have the word fear in its dictionary, which I checked. It does exist in Arabic, so I'm pretty sure it does. But the real thing is that behind the scenes, we only know a limited amount of information that is coming out of Saudi Arabia. We didn't pull this element crystal, but I flagged it to you yesterday in our editorial call. The Indian Embassy actually put out an interesting warning to Indian citizens. It did one of those classic Indians are advised in Saudi Arabia to be watchful and of civil aviation guidelines and to take cover. But it also said Indians are advised to not circulate videos and photos of what they see. And if you've never been to the Gulf, you would know that South Asians like Indians and Pakistanis who are basically like slave labor over there are the people who are staffing these airports, these oil facilities, and many of them had whipped out their phones. Let's say in the early days, who are they recorded? They're like, oh my god, you don't have to try and help around or anything, but just to show people what's happening. The Indian government, now basically telling them, do not do that because if you do, you're going to get arrested, you're going to be in violation of these guidelines. And there's been multiple reports from Houthis and elsewhere that the damage that we see at the international airport, that's only coming out because that's what's leaked. There has, according to them, been a lot of damage inflicted on the Saudi oil infrastructure itself. So just I want to put that out there and remind everybody, we really don't know what's going on inside of Saudi Arabia because of the total information lockdown that's happening in the country right now. Yeah, it's an authoritarian country and they are bound and determined to keep as little information from coming out as possible. Put the last element up on the screen because it speaks to this as well. This is the claim from Ansar Al-Ara, the Houthis, of what they have struck just over the past two days. So the airport, again, today, that's the King Khalid airport, the main one in Brijad. Shugadam Gas Facility, Aramco's Tanajib oil refinery, King Fad airport in Damam. This analyst says it's very clear at this point, Saudi Arabia is not safe in Ansar Al-Ara striking both airports and energy infrastructure at will as I told the Washington Post yesterday, the Houthis can and are striking deeply into Saudi and hitting critical energy infrastructure and the Houthis have less valuable infrastructure. So they are going to continue to wreak havoc on the market beyond this. I also spoke to Politico on Friday. I highlight how obviously defense lifts Saudi is. It's a remarkably dangerous gamble on the Saudis part. Saudi Arabia has demonstrated remarkably little ability to prevent the Houthis from striking critical energy infrastructure across the Kingdom. Obviously, the Saudi's entire security architecture is based on us coming to their defense. When this all kicked up with the Houthis again several weeks ago and they came to Trump and said, "Hey, can you help us out?" Trump said, "Absolutely not." Now he's floating in the idea, maybe he will, but I think it's unlikely because he's already got enough trouble on his hands just dealing with the Strait of Hormuz and what the mess he's created with Iran. So this is really, it's undermining the entire security architecture of the region. It's undermining MBS and the existing Saudi regime. It's broadened now the Iran War fully into a regional war, even though obviously the Saudi Yemen conflict had predated the Iran War. These two things are now inextricably merged together. As we sit here wondering whether there's going to be a spin-up in the Iran War portion of this before the midterms, it's worth remembering that last time we were watching the the war unfold, we were saying, "Oh, when are the Houthis going to enter the fray? What would that do?" Well, now you have the Houthis fully engaged. So if we return to a full-on war with Iran, it's going to be in certain ways on a larger scale than it was previously. And you know, that'll have significant implications in terms of death and destruction, and certainly in terms of the global economy as well. Absolutely. You know what's fascinating too is you just spoke about how the Houthis are actually being more aggressive than the Iranians are. Per treat to Parsi this morning, there actually is some incentive for the Iranians to try to tamp things down. That's part of the most frustrating things here in the West is everyone's like, oh, the Houthis act directly on command from Tehran, no they don't. Okay, they're allies, but they have their own distinct interests, right? And so in this conflict, guys, there's a final element that I want up here on the screen, literally just breaking is that Iran is now offering to actually mediate between Houthis and Saudi Arabia. Apparently, the Saudi foreign minister called the foreign minister of Iran yesterday and was like, hey, I need you to get a handle on this. I need you to come in and tell these guys to cut it out. And Iran is now directly offering to mediate. So apparently part of the reason why per treat to Parsi is basically that it doesn't want the current escalation to get out of control in the region because they have a regional ceasefire going on with Dubai and with Saudi Arabia, or with the UAE Bahrain, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. Basically, you don't strike us, we don't strike you as long as the United States doesn't continue to pummel our territory. The Iranians like that arrangement, because that means they only have to keep their military firepower trained on the street of Hormuz. So the Houthis are actually dragging them into uncomfortable territory. So it demonstrates that this is completely out of control of every one actor. The Houthis are acting in their direct interest. They want their territory and they don't want to be bombed. Tehran does not control them, despite whatever fantasies the United States or Saudi Arabia, any of these people may have. Iran also has its own interests. It wants to fully focus all of its attention on the street of Hormuz, where they don't have to take a lot of damage, and they can use to bleed the US Empire. The US Empire doesn't want more conflagration really anywhere because they want energy prices to remain stable. So differing interests by all of the different parties in the conflict make the system dramatically more unstable and make it less likely, in my opinion, that any sort of status can come. Because even if things are calm between Iran and the Gulf and the United States or relatively to where the war was, the Houthis continuing to fire against Saudi is like the Z-factor in energy markets. And as you just said, if those two things combine, then we're in an entirely new, different energy market with a lot of constraint heading into winter. We just had our hurricane make landfall in the Gulf. I'm sure some of you guys saw some of the damage devastating for Alabama. It doesn't appear to have yet caused too much damage yet to refineries, but we're still early, relatively, you know, in the season. And so it could happen again. And that's all it takes. I was just reading, we're going to talk about midterms this morning. 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And so I think it was only a matter of time before Trump basically woke up and realized, hey, this is a little bit of a problem on top of the disastrous war that I had already launched. So with all of that, he then struck a secret deal. It appears with Russia. Let's put this up here on the screen, which really set off a firestorm. Here's Trump's statement that came over the weekend. I have just concluded a highly successful discussion with President Vladimir Putin of Russia, where it was agreed that Russia will immediately supply over 300,000 tons of diesel fuel to the American and Global Marketplace, another 500,000 tons during the month of November, and additionally, a million tons immediately thereafter. Additionally, based on the condition of their diesel refineries, Russia will then deliver within a short period of time, three million tons of diesel between our total control of the Strait of Hormuz and this great procurement of Russian energy, diesel prices for Americans, and indeed the world will be coming down in record numbers and fast lower prices for Americans, especially our great farmers, ranchers, and truckers. My greatest priority, this is a very big and important deal. Well, what's a little funny about that is if you actually take a look at the numbers, which we will now. Let's put B2 up here on the screen, from Gregory Brue, who's a fantastic energy analyst. He says, Trump's solution on a diesel prices is get more diesel from Russia. For what it's worth on a monthly basis, 300 K tons equals 74,000 barrels per day. The U.S. currently produces 3.6 million barrels per day of diesel, of which about one third is exported, coming roughly to, I don't know, a few percent of what is out there. And so very clearly, this was about something a lot bigger than just the numbers coming from Russia. A lot of this really comes down to the war in Ukraine itself. And if you want to add on to the stupidity of this alleged deal, let's put B3 up here on the screen. These are from from sanctions analysts who I follow. And so in the sanctions world, everybody was kind of mystified, because literally mere hours before the alleged Russian or a diesel deal, Trump had actually signed the Lindsey Graham Sanctions Act on Russia. And as they write here, when Trump, they constructed Bessent to green light diesel imports without the authority to do so, he actually put the United States Treasury and CBP in an impossible legal bind. A OFAC license cannot override federal statute. OFAC being the office of, it's the office of export control, right? So Congress took that power away from the Treasury in this current case, specifically enacted by a blanket ban that they had passed. And so even if Treasury claims that it can somehow license its way through this diesel deal, So any move significantly altering Russia policy requires a mandatory 30-day notice to Congress and a statutory freeze before taking place. So the end result is that if a Russian tanker arrived on U.S. shores before the election, the CBP would be legally barred from clearing its cargo. So not only if the deal went through, would it be a minuscule fraction of what the United States already produces, but also because Trump passed the Lindsey Graham legislation, all of these other stupid Russia sanctions that are currently on the books, he's not even legally allowed to clear the cargo on U.S. shores. All of this demonstrates just the absolute panic that is currently in the White House. Obviously, it's much more of a messaging problem both in terms of the United States and the crunch currently happening for diesel market and for farmers, which is currently throwing the Midwest elections into toss up territory. But bigger picture, it just shows the sheer stupidity and lack of coherence for a strategy both around Russia and Ukraine, which he promised he would have done almost 18 months ago at this point. But also just this stupidity also of signing these sanctions bills and at the same time now trying to get yourself out of this Russia and Russia Ukraine problem and trying to force some fake ceasefire at the very same time. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be the most chaotic foreign policy in history. You just were bragging about increasing these tough sanctions on Russia and then five seconds later, you're like, oh, we did a deal with Russia. Now we actually want everyone to it because it's not just about us. We want everyone, including the Europeans, to buy Russian diesel because we're so freaked down about the price of diesel. By the way, I was reading about this too, soccer. So apparently there have been spotted hundreds of Iranian oil trucks in Russia. And Russians oil refining capacity has been significantly diminished by Ukrainian attacks on their oil facilities. So it is entirely possible that some of this oil that enters the market is actually Iranian oils. There's really no way to tell the difference once it's in the market. So that is also a possibility of what's happening here. It does remind me of early in the Iran war when initially because of concern, concerns over gas prices. The Trump administration actually desanctioned the Iranian oil so that that could flow into the marketplace. And then they reversed themselves and did the blockade of the blockade. So the whole thing just smacks of complete chaos and competence, lack of foresight, lack of planning and grasping at straws. I think this is best seen as Trump's latest attempt to sort of jawbone and manipulate the market so that you don't have another major increase in gas prices before the midterm elections. The actual impact of this deal is probably going to be minimal both here and abroad. But maybe we'll at least do something to help the markets stay at around the $100 a barrel for Brent crude that we've been at for a little while here. Right. Exactly. The biggest problem around all of this is that there is no coherence, you know, remember. And just people know my feelings about the conflict in Ukraine. I think this all should have ended a long time ago. I don't think any of this is doing the world good between Ukraine and Russia and the rest of the entire globe, including the Europeans who themselves are paying very, very high diesel price. But let's put that all aside. And let's just remember that Trump had said previously, we're going to stop the entire war in 24 hours. That not only did not happen, he has more, he has funded the Ukrainians. He has continued weapons deliveries to them. The Europeans are allegedly paying for it and all of that. But in the same way that we're fueling the Israel crisis, you know, in Gaza about what's happened. We're fueling the war in Ukraine as well. We provide them a ton of intelligence, the Pentagon and the Ukrainian Security Service are in mesh like this. This is a proxy war of the United States. Trump was responsible for this from the day he took office and it continued to happen. We had that anchorage summit, literally nothing happened as a result. And the Russian economy has been taken a beating, which they've responded to the Ukrainians by, you know, destroying as much of their energy and infrastructure as possible. And so this is exactly the problem, is that he wake up one day and you're like, Oh my God, this is causing a problem. Let me panically try and change things. And of course, Russia and Ukraine have their own interests in this conflict. The Ukrainians want to shut down the Russian diesel economy because it's the lifeline of their war machine. Russians want to make life as difficult and impossible as possible inside of Ukraine so that the morale breaks for their population. With all of that said, obviously Ukraine also wants to punish the Russian economy because it's the lifeblood of the war machine. And as you can all see overnight, Ukraine actually targeted Russia's largest oil storage and pumping facility. And that was also immediately met with cruise missile attacks by the Russians on to Ukraine. And that is what sets the stage for this alleged ceasefire. So let's put B7 up here on the screen where yesterday Trump put out this statement saying, "Effective immediately, there is an energy ceasefire in the war between Russian Ukraine. Both parties have agreed, do not break it. Thank you for your attention to this matter. The attack I just showed you literally happened right after that. And Trump was even asked at the White House specifically about what Zelensky was doing in Russia. And here's what he had to say, be five guys, let's take a listen." " Zelensky could have settled this war many times, many, many times. And he chooses not to, it's very difficult. It's a war that should have never been started. If I were president, if the election weren't rigged, I would have been president, and that war would have never started. But he could have settled it many times, and he chose not to. We said you could do whatever you want to, Russia, don't hit the refineries, because that's a world problem that's caused. And he wants to make problems for the world. He wants to make problems for our farmers, our ranchers, with diesel fuel, because Russia supplies a large portion of the diesel fuel throughout the world. And we told them, do whatever you want, but don't hit the diesel fuel, because there's a big problem, big shortage. And what does he do? He goes and hits the diesel fuel. He can do whatever he wants, but he can't do that. And you know what I suggest? I suggest they get a new leader who can make a deal, because he could have made many deals that for some reason he'd ever does. And let me go step further. If I were president, you wouldn't have ever had that war. That war would have never started. There was no reason that that war with Ukraine and Russia started. It started due to incompetence, it should have never started. You wouldn't have lost 30% of your country already. You've lost 30% of your country, and you've had over a million people killed, between the two of them, over two million people killed. That's a war that should have never started. And I think it's time for Ukraine to get a new president. Time for Ukraine to get a new president, you know, maybe you could have called and pressured for that a while ago. By the way, Zelensky himself, not even that popular in Ukraine, he's been mired in corruption scandals and problems for years now. But this is only likely to help him if there were to be some sort of election. Here is Zelensky's response yesterday when asked about all of this and cease fire in elections. Let's take a listen. If they want energies, we are open for this. Don't attack us. Don't kill our children. We will stop attack your diesel. And I think it's fair, fair deal. President Trump said that we need Ukraine needs new president. So first of all, with all respect to President Trump, it's up to our society, up to our people to choose one or another leader. Yes, we are in war. And how to do elections is really difficult. Not only that it goes absolutely not secured, and it goes out of our law, out of our constitution. But the main thing is to have security infrastructure for this, to give possibility people to vote. Of course, it's up to Ukrainians when to vote, how to do it, and to choose one or another person. But if to answer on this question, I know that Putin wanted very much to change the president in Ukraine. I understand it. And if President Trump really wants to have some changes in during elections, I also shared it with his team. So please tell Putin, give us two months, 60 days of total ceasefire, 60 days, and we will organize elections. Of course, we will be ready for any choice of our people, exactly Ukraine and people. So that was Zelensky's response there. I mean, obviously Russia rejected the ceasefire. They immediately put Kiev into a blackout. Let's put B9. Here's some video that actually put from Kiev just yesterday, hours after the alleged ceasefire, where you could see pretty significant blackouts across the city. Some places had limited amounts of power, many of the power stations, energy infrastructure, continued to be hit by Russia, including devastating cruise missile attacks. I don't want to whitewash any of this. Obviously, the Ukrainian attacks on the diesel and Russian ships in the Black Sea and all of that had happened and then diesel attacks continue. And so neither seems at-interested literally whatsoever. And I think what we stack this on top of what's just happened with the who these in Saudi Arabia is you continue to see a United States that is not in control. And losing that pole power position, it really does happen very quickly. I mean, in many ways, we weren't, you know, all that in control, but the illusion itself is what mattered. And to have, you know, a direct US beneficiary like Selitzky, whose entire existence is reliant on the United States of America, in some ways, it's like out of the BB playbook and others is that you can kind of just do what you want to do. Because in the long run, they're not actually going to do anything to you. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention B8 because there's some threats that are currently happening behind the scenes. The Trump administration is currently threatening to stop the procurement system that provides Ukraine with weapons to press key to halt the steep strikes on Russian energy infrastructure. This happened on Saturday and on Sunday and that the US is lobbying the European capitals to try and end these attacks on Russian oil refineries. But don't forget that at the same time, just weeks ago, Trump was also openly musing and is very close to approving this patriot missile deal for production inside of Ukraine as well. So there is no coherent policy, nothing whatsoever behind all of this crystal. Yeah. And I mean, from the Ukrainian perspective, in a certain way, they have an incentive to cause problems for us with the global market as well. That keeps us engaged, that could put pressure on us to put pressure on Russia to try to resolve the conflict in Ukraine's favor. So they have their own incentives here. But I do just want to go back to it. So it's genuinely, it's almost impossible to not grade Trump on a curve because of how many insane things he does literally all the time and his administration does all the time. Can you imagine if any other president had just invented a fake ceasefire and announced it on social media? Like, that's what happened. Both Russian Ukraine are like, this is, I mean, you know, Zelensky because he's got to manage his relationships trying to be a little bit diplomatic about it and be like, well, we're open to it if Russia will agree. But the reality is, Trump literally just invented this ceasefire out of whole cloth, lied about it, and posted it onto social media. That is crazy behavior. And I need the media to stop being so gullible too and taking his word for things when he just pops off and announces things and then they just go, Oh, I guess there's an energy ceasefire. No, there's not. You cannot believe a word that this man says, in fact, if it's coming out of its mouth, it's more likely that the opposite is the case versus whatever it is that he's saying. So this is the behavior of an insane person, of a desperate person, a person who has no plan and is completely grasping its straws here because he's trying to save his own political ass here in ahead of the midterms. And again, it goes to this idea that has been floated and Trump has pushed out. I don't even really care what happens in the midterms. Obviously he does care what happens in the midterms because he's doing completely desperate pathetic and insane things just to try to keep the price of oil down a little bit in advance of what looks to be a disastrous midterm reckoning, heading his way. Absolutely. And you can continue to look diesel prices. Nothing is there. Don't forget, you know, the entire Congress, the bipartisan support of these Russia sanctions is there. You've already had multiple Republican senators who say Trump needs to reverse course on buying any of this Russian diesel, not that he would make any difference, you know, to all of us. So look, no coherence, no strategy, and the world continues to burn. So I guess that's a pretty good way to transition to our midterms. I'm Hamza. And I'm Martin. And we're the hosts of Out of Character. It's a podcast. I know. 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It's absolutely incredible, although, I mean, there are a lot of signs that the die hard mega base has dwindled now to, you know, a much diminished cult like following at this point. But for those people, he's absolutely right. Anything he says, no matter how contradictory, no matter how many times he said he wouldn't start a new war and then he starts a new war, no matter how many promises he breaks or how high the gas prices get, they will still stand there and clap for whatever dumb ridiculous shit that spews out of his mouth. And that's well, so that was part of what I want to talk about because for years, that actually is the case, right, is that it's not just about the people at the rallies. It's that a lot of people are and I actually, I don't know if the clap is per se, but you remember in the Biden era, the I did that stickers with Biden and the I could use mean tweets right now was like a real conservative meme, I think with cultural power. As in, look, a lot of ridiculous shit, but 2019 was a lot better than the year 2023 or the year 2022. This time around, you get all of that baggage and you also get, you know, increasing inflation that disastrous war and all the problems that we currently have in our society ramped up to 10. I mean, I was looking at that 30 year mortgage. It's like 7.2% now. It's absolutely insane. So there's a part of that where I don't think it necessarily will come off as insulting to people who are at the rally because they're bought in, but I do think it will come off dramatically insulting to a lot of previously identified, quote, mega Republicans who were in it, not for a Trump cult of personality, but for various different reasons, either cultural, economic, whatever, what say you? And you and I remember, we've talked about those anecdotes of people who were like the Trump super fans, people who went around Congress and harassed members of Congress who were supporting Trump's impeachment, only to now come out and be like, actually, I would support Trump's impeachment, people who spent like, you know, tons of their own money going to Trump rallies across the country now being dramatically disillusioned. When you take independent voters and even some of the Trump faithful and you continue to and narrow it down. I don't think it- comes off as strong in this midterm election in the way that things continue to trend, then it would have previously, whenever the whole fifth avenue point, what he was trying to do was make it a persecution complex around the media, it wasn't just about the people, but it was also about him. There has not been this part of identification of him himself with the movement, I think, in quite some time. So I saw it, it's a clarifying comment in terms of how the people they react, but it is still also the exact type of thing, which could reveal the fracture, which for 10 years now, we, everyone expects to happen, but it didn't happen. And of course, we still don't have evidence of that, but things currently are trending in that direction from what we can see right now. - Yeah, well, in as evidence of that, you have now a race in South Carolina, which is not a done deal. Now, you would certainly still bet on Darlene Graham to succeed her brother Lindsey Graham, by the way, she changed her name so that she could keep the Graham names, everybody would know. You didn't know that, yeah. She changed her name for political purposes so that she would be connected to Lindsey Graham in this quest for the Senate. She's put into place here by Trump, literally no political qualifications, just because she happened to be related to Lindsey Graham and Trump plucks her out. And you have this very difficult year for Republicans and polls that are showing things are relatively close. Catalyst throw in the caveats. We previously had a race in South Carolina with Jamie Harris and versus Lindsey Graham that also courting the polls was close. It was not close in the end. That certainly could happen here as well. So I definitely want to put this out here. However, you had a debate last night in South Carolina between Darlene Graham and Annie Andrews, who is the Democrat. And Darlene Graham in a very red state is a lot of ways on the back foot, trying to defend the Trump's policies, defend the war in Iran in particular. Let's go and play C5 so we can get a sense of how all of this went down. - Let's talk about the war and the fact that you say that I just want to continue war. Let's not forget how this war started under the Democrats with Iran almost having a nuclear weapon. - Thank you. - No, and I do not support the war with Iran. Already 21 American service members have been killed and we recently learned that eight sailors aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln tried to commit suicide. We've also spent $50 billion American taxpayer dollars on this war, again, money that could have been invested in our infrastructure, healthcare system, or public education system. And the war is the exact reason we now have record high gas and diesel prices. Farmers are getting crushed and everything costs more. My opponent is the only one on this stage who had the opportunity to vote to end the war, but three times in a row she voted to continue it. And several days after one of those votes, she had the audacity to walk out onto this stage and admit that national security isn't really her thing. South Carolina, if your surgeon said that appendectomies aren't really his thing, would you still hand him a scalpel? No, so why would we hand darling Graham a full term in the U.S. Senate? She is unserious and unqualified. - I think that everybody wants the war in Ukraine and we will all be safer when the war in Ukraine ends. Again, I was so proud to get the Lindsey O'gram Sanction Russia and I ran act of 2026 passed through the Senate, through the House and signed into law by the President with the overwhelming bipartisan support, 86 to 11, with the help of my Senate colleagues. It gives the President tools that he can use if he so chooses to end the war through economic sanctions. So that's up to him as to whether or not he wants to use it or whether he wants to use something else, but I think the purpose of it is to bring down the gas prices and ultimately in the war. And when the war ends, gas prices will fall. - That is true and the war ends, gas prices will fall, but you can see the bind that darling Graham is in and how even in a very red state like South Carolina where Trump is underwater as he is in almost every other state, but he's a lot more popular there than in most places. Any Andrews can just straightforwardly criticize the war. We shouldn't be in it. It should end. This is causing all kinds of problems. It's the reason why your gas prices are high. And darling Graham has to resort to this ridiculous argument that the war somehow started because of the Democrats, which I don't think literally anyone will buy or believe even the most die hard believers. - Darling, your brother worked with Democrats to make sure that that war continued as long as possible, but you probably don't read the news enough to even know any of that. And I think that's what is the most disgusting ridiculous part of all of this is that Trump uses his cult of personality to push Darling Graham over the finish line in the primary, not even dramatically successfully. Emily had told me that her sources in South Carolina were like, look, if Darling Graham had just lost, this would be the easiest cake walk election of all time. But now we have to put $5 million in this race for no reason. We have a limited amount of money obviously. And the finite pool, we're shoring it up for insurance purposes. As you said, it's probable that she would win. I wouldn't put a whole lot of money against it, but we shouldn't even really be talking about it. The caveats of polling and all of that remain is that in 2020, this was allegedly a close race and Lindsey won by some 18 points. But I just don't expect that margin. And even if she does claim a victory here, the fact that they had to spend money that they got national media attention and all of that is itself drawing away from much more competitive races around the country. We should put, what is it, C2 up here on the screen. This is the latest poll that came out from Trafalgar Group. Remember, a very Republican pollster in the Texas United States Senate, where they have Talarico at 47% and Ken Paxson at 43%. I mean, I just don't think that we can emphasize how crazy this is, because these are Republican pollsters, Trump pollsters, people who are actually quite accurate in cases, going back to 2016. And we just have more evidence here of Talarico being up. I am looking currently at the RCP average, which, remember, doesn't do weights. It includes partisan pollsters and all of that. There is not one single poll that has been released since September 14th that has Talarico either tied, or that has Ken Paxson, who is leading in this race. Not one. Literally every single poll released from September 14th, that is included currently in the RCP average, either has Talarico leading, and then there is one poll from UMass Lowell that has him tied. And so everybody likes to talk about 2018. I covered that race extensively, Beto O'Rourke. Beto O'Rourke, the hope of Texas, was that he would be able to outperform what he was able to show, which was roughly two to three points within the margin, which made it a tight race in Texas. Ted Cruz wins by about two points in state of Texas. If we then put the same supposition here, there is not one that has Talarico not winning. And so it's very possible. I want to be clear that Republicans come home, and they're like, look, we just can't have a Democrat. They represent those in the United States. And I want to be clear that it's an incredibly possible scenario. Ken Paxson wins a squeaker by 0.8 or even 1.5 in a crazy universe, just because so many people came out to vote and there's a ton of money being spent by MAGA Inc and all of that, etc. But with three weeks to go, the war getting worse, diesel and all of that, where it is, I'm not currently seeing it. I'm starting to really believe in a Talarico victory. Yeah. Well, and this is another one where Trump's intervention really screwed over the Republicans, because he intervenes on behalf of Ken Paxson. Ken Paxson ends up winning the Republican primary over John Corden. You know, I don't think there's any guarantees that Corden would have won, but I think everyone believes he would have been a much stronger candidate than Paxson, who's beset with all kinds of scandals. And even Trump can't bring himself to like wholeheartedly and Dorsi always does this like, "You may not like how he looks. You may not like how he talks. You may not like him when he does his interviews." He knows he's a dreadful candidate and people, you know, don't want to hear from this guy and find him morally repugnant. He's having to have his ex-wife who he cheated on go on TV. Won't even say his name, but it's like, "I'm going to vote for the Republicans, I guess you guys should too." Like, that's the state of affairs in this race with these candidates. And should bring him back to South Carolina for a moment. The other reason why you should believe that there is something real going on here. We can put C7 up on the screen. This got a lot of attention. This guy, Barton Swame, he was actually, he's a Republican. He's from South Carolina. He was a longtime speechwriter for a Republican governor, Mark Sanford, including, I think he was an aide to him when the whole, like, hike in the Appalachian Trail thing happened. But in any case, he says, "Listen, it could go blue." And the reason is because Annie Andrews was actually out campaigning. And darling Graham is not. She has no public events. This was the only debate that their, you know, the only remaining debate that they're doing here because she is not confident on her feet. So she's not out there trying to earn the vote of South Carolinians. And I do just think that there is this natural human disgust at the fact that this was handed to or just out of nepotism and not out of merit whatsoever. So we'll see how that ultimately goes. But to go back to your point, Sagar, about Trafalgar, Like. Like in previous cycles, Trafalgar had very different polling than the sort of traditional mainstream outlets where it was like, okay, you know, you would have a poll that showed Democrats in range in Ohio and then Trafalgar would be like, absolutely not, you're going to lose by 10. And Trafalgar was right. You know, there were a lot of these instances where they were picking up on something especially with regard to Trump voters that other mainstream pollsters weren't or at least that's what it looked like in the results. Now their polls look very much like what the other pollsters, the sort of results that the other pollsters are getting. And we haven't seen as big of polling misses in midterms as we have when Trump is on the ballot. He seems to really be the confounding variable. That being said, you never know, but that's effectively what Republicans are banking on at this point is that there's some sort of major polling miss going on or maybe there's, you know, all of the money that they have, the money advantage that they have, maybe that pays off down the stretch or maybe there's some crazy thing that happens here in the last couple of weeks that totally shifts the political narrative. But those are the sort of like desperate hopes that they're down to at this point when Texas is looking really bad. And Democrats are now putting money into Kansas. Kansas is looking very real as a possibility. JD Vance had to go and campaign in the state, a bunch of former Republican governors of the state have endorsed the Democrat. That one looks like it's very real. So, you know, if you're looking at the concrete measures, things like voter registration, thing like the early vote, obviously the polling, it's looking pretty grim for Republicans and they're having to hope for some unforeseen factor or active God to come in and intervene at this point. I'm Hamza and I'm Martin and we're the hosts of Out of Character. It's a podcast. I know. Well, there's a specific reason why you should listen to us. I swear. I know. Bold. Trust me. Or maybe we'll talk about music and what's happening in the underground or drama music or TV shows or the Med Galen, what the actors were. 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Being deemed a successful business by a near time, as a Puerto Rican girl from New York who didn't finish college, I was like, I'm finally doing something. And then that day when the landlord comes in, it's like, you're like, you did all over that idea and you stepped on it. Listen to Global Flow as a part of the Michael Kluwra podcast network, available on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's what I continue to look at, where RCP average, and you were just talking about with Trafalgar. The thing is with Trafalgar is we all knew, we're like, okay, Trafalgar, you can always expect them, generally to come in more on the Republican side. Well, they have Tallariko by three. They actually have Tallariko more bullish than some of the mainstream pollsters that have even pulled this race. So just to show you how that works. Let's put Rasmussen as well, see three up here on the screen. Another Republican pollster. Another hardcore Republican pollster, a long-time staple in the Trump community. Well, let's take a look here. This is their Santa Polling. North Carolina Cooper Plus 7, Iowa, Turing Plus 4, Ohio, Brown Plus 3, these are all Democrats for the record. If you're just listening. Maine, Troy Jackson, Plus 2, Texas, Tallariko, Plus 1, Georgia, ASA, Plus 9, Minnesota, Flanagan, Plus 3, Michigan, Alsayet Plus 3, Alaska, Tide, South Carolina, Graham Plus 4, which, by the way, if you win by Plus 4, and you previously, your brother won it by Plus 18. I mean, you know, moral victory, I guess, for the Democrats, but it's still pretty devastating. I think that's all it comes down to. And I think continue to look at all of these numbers. And, you know, to me, it seems crazy to say, but Texas, I wouldn't say it's a foregone conclusion. Republicans are going to continue to fight there, but the candidate quality problems that beset Ken Paxson are so devastating, I'm not so sure if they can be overcome. It seems like Iowa and Kansas would be the battleground where you fight. And then you just hope and you pray for Susan Collins to do her Susan Collins thing. And for Troy Jackson to nuke his candidacy somehow in Maine, and that she wins by some sort of a sweeper. Because right now, it seems like Maine, if they can just hold on to some of the midwet, you know, those, those states, and obviously I didn't even mention Nebraska. If Dan Osborne also was able to pull out some sort of shock victory, that could throw a wrench in this entire thing, but, you know, they're, they're starting to have to make very difficult decisions and just really pray, you know, for, for some sort of a tie, a 50/50 or something, and potentially have Susan Collins. Because otherwise, they could really be in big trouble, especially with Alaska, which is right there. And, you know, I think you've talked about this before. People do not appreciate the inflation crisis in Alaska. Alaska is expensive. Like, it's expensive in normal times because everything has to be shipped there and the Jones Act and like all this other craziness, diesel and just general food price in Alaska is insane, like beyond crazy. And then you have all kinds of other confounding variables that are in the state ranked choice of voting, being, you know, something crazy as well, the libertarian apparently on the ballot. Things are looking very good from Mary Peltola right now. She shared a picture of some of the prices in rural Alaska at the grocery store and we should have pulled it. It was insane. And at your point, it's always more expensive there because of how difficult it is to get the goods in. But it was like a roll of paper towels for 20 bucks. It was like absolutely crazy, crazy prices that like tide pod container for $50. That was the level of insanity that these things were. Everybody was in the comments like literally how does anyone afford to live there? How does this work out? And those are the sorts of things they're facing there. When you talked earlier about the heating oil, that is a major, major issue there. You kind of go state by state and you look at all of them. And in Michigan, you've got issues with the tariffs, obviously everywhere you've got issues with gas prices down in Texas, the Latino swing has been massive, which seems to be a combination of upset over the economics and also over some of the mass deportation policy. There's been a real, you know, flip in terms of the orientation towards the immigration policy there. Do you sort of go state by state and each state Kansas Iowa, you've got the issue with farmers, with the tariffs, obviously also gas prices, diesel prices, state by state, each one has its own unique reason why they are so disgusted with what's going on and why you could see this significant flip. Let's put C4 up on the screen. I'll be honest with you, I'm very, as you know, skeptical of this type of polling where you ask people like, okay, if this happened, how would you feel about it? Because I think people are very bad at explaining why they do what they do, why they vote for the candidates they do, why they like the policies that they like. I don't know that we have a deep understanding of our own minds in that way. However, put this into the pot of the sort of data we're looking at. Politica wanted to get at, okay, let's say that the Iran war ends, let's say gas prices drop by a dollar a gallon between now and election day. That gonna significantly change the political landscape. Basically, the answer was no. The plurality of people in each instance, with the Ron War being declared that it's over, with inflation going down, with gas prices down by a dollar a gallon, they're like, this is not gonna affect my vote. And so what they're trying to get at here is effectively that no October surprise is gonna change things that much. All of Trump's desperate, I'm gonna do a Russian diesel deal, and I'm gonna try to have some declared mission accomplished with Iran, all of these things that he's trying to do may not really even change the political landscape that much. And I think that that's true, because if you look at, not based on what people are saying in this poll, but if you look back at the Kamala Harris Donald Trump election, inflation was actually coming down at that point, and yet she still was very much punished for being part of the administration where prices had gone up so much. So, you know, people are not gonna just immediately forget all of the pain that they've been put through over all of these months. They're still gonna continue to be disgusted, the decisions that were made, and the choices that were made that put them in this very difficult position. So in a lot of ways, I do think the cake is kind of already baked at this point. - I think that's a great point, and I remember how much we criticized this at the time. They were like, well, the rate of inflation has slowed. Oh my gosh, groceries are 20% more expensive than when you took office, like shut up. You don't, nobody wants to hear about the decline in the rate. And yet, we have seen Trumponomics do the same thing as Bidenomics over time. They continue to point out they're like, well, the rate of inflation actually has gone down. And they're like, well, if you take out, you know, the Iran War, then actually goods would be, you know, where it is right now. It's just the same type of ridiculousness. Is gas more expensive today than when you, as a result of decisions you made as president, yes or no? Okay, then you're going to suffer. In fact, you're the most culpable because you launched a war of choice and it made things much worse for everyday citizens. At least Biden had Russia invade Ukraine, which was not directly his fault, where Trump decided to do this. So you add this all this together, and then the tariffs as well, which were obviously executed disastrously at the same chaotic type of nonsense that's improved in tremendous business uncertainty into the market and specifically has hurt parts of these Midwestern and states, farming states in particular, which is what's putting them in such a bind. I do want to mention this it literally just broke because it shows the internal thinking of the Democrats. Let's guys put this up in post-production. These are current money moves. The Democratic Senate majority pack has just announced it is scrapping all ads for North Carolina and it is adding $7 million into Ohio, 2.5 million into Iowa, but look out for this number, 5 million into Kansas. So if you read between the lines, clearly the bomb in Ohio is to shore up Sherrod Brown. So that one they think this is a winnable race. 2.5 million to Iowa, they're like maybe, but we're not 100% sure. But the bomb here is the 5 million in Kansas because according to these numbers, they're making it clear this is additional money that they're pumping in to the state, and they're making it seem, according at least to their polling, that Kansas seems to be more in play even than Iowa, which I would never even predicted going into this. So look, the caveat remains, just because these are national campaigns, $100 million organizations with a lot of money, they don't always know what they're doing. The Hillary campaign spent a billion dollars and they literally didn't visit the state of Wisconsin, right? So it's not exactly a one to one, but it shows their internal calculus and thinking going into the final days of the election. And it will either be incredibly smart strategic decision or foolhardy hubris, which everybody looks back on and says you people are a bunch of idiots. Literally, I look at them as 50/50 in terms of likelihood for how we might be talking on election day. - I think what you can say about Kansas is that both Republicans and Democrats think that it's real. Now, whether that works out to be the case on election day, we will have to wait and see. But you had JD Vance going into the state to campaign for the Republican Marshall, who has a lot of problems as a candidate. There's been all this stuff dug up about how aggressively he pursued people who owed medical debt to his practice, how he charges a higher interest rate on unpaid medical debt than almost literally anyone that you could possibly find. Those things have seemed to really hurt him in the eyes of the voters. And as I mentioned before, you've got Republican governors who are endorsing the Democrat against him, which is pretty wild to see too. And then the Democrat Hamilton, he is the pastor of the largest Methodist congregation, I think in the country, but certainly in Kansas and has, you know, so he has a lot of sort of credibility of being a very visible community member and being very connected to the values that a lot of Kansas share. So you've got a candidate quality mismatch and a Kansas that I didn't realize this, but Logan has been pointing out to us, has been steadily moving a little bit more, you know, toward the Democratic or toward the purple side. And this perfect storm of add on top of that, all of the problems that farmers are facing and all of that discussed. And it appears to have made for a situation where there is a genuine possibility, at least Democrats think that and Republicans seem to think that as well, judging by how they've rushed in to try to shore up Marshall's campaign. - Yeah, I mean, I don't know a ton about Hamilton, but the numbers bear out for him, it's a huge, you know, United Methodist Church, 25,000 people across nine locations, online television services. He had a book covering Christian faith where they had sold more than a million copies, you know, from him and his press. I mean, that alone, if you were to just say, like, what's the, you know, on paper, who's the type of guy who could win the state? That would be it, right? You know, it's in a, you know, crazy election. And with Roger Marshall, like you said, some of the attacks, you know, Roger Marshall, he's like a fine candidate. He's one of these typical candidates from a deep red state where, you know, they don't go through all that competitive elections, you know, to the extent that there's any op-o done, it's usually done at the primary stage. They kind of, you know, just sit out on an island in the Senate, they kind of, it becomes a sinecure for them where it's not all that competitive. These are actually the type of candidates, which can be the worst in a competitive race, 'cause they're not used to it at all. They're not Pennsylvania, they're not Michigan or any of these places. So it's a bad mismatch. You got the money problems also that are besetting them. I don't know. It might be Kansas and Iowa, obviously Texas and Maine, you know, those are up there, those are exciting. Those are gonna be the ones I'm gonna watch the most closely. Like I'm just so fascinated by the demographic shift, whether it's big city rural, who's gonna come in where? Because that's gonna be the genuine story of the Trump era. If he loses the people who Republicans have been winning for 25 years, that will be so completely insane. Like it's one thing for the Latinos of South Texas who have, you know, these people can't make their mind up, their vote in Hillary, Trump, Biden, Trump, you know, like over and over again. It's one thing for people who are a genuine swing demographic. It's a whole other for lifelong constituencies to shift their vote entirely and shift away the legacy of decades, really, of Republican governance in the state. I think that would be the biggest most shocking story of the night for me, if we actually saw it. - If there's one thing we've learned, don't take constituencies for granted. - I agree. - You know, I think Democrats made this mistake under Obama, thinking young people would be solid forever, thinking that Latinos would increasingly be vote more like African Americans, where it's, you know, just this solid block for Democrats. Can't take constituencies for granted. And it doesn't mean like all of rural America is gonna shift to the left, but you only need, we're talking about a game of inches here, right? You only need a little bit of slippage, a little bit of people staying home, a little bit of people who are, you know, consider themselves independent who genuinely change their minds and their views to have a significant political realignment. So we'll see if it's that sort of election or if it's this typical midterm like blowback, we're unhappy with the party in power, we're gonna vote for these guys this time. And that's really, to me, the question at this point. - I agree. I did see a Republican pollster this morning, Patrick Prifini. He's a good respected guy. He said his base case is that the toss-up races go Democrat. And at a national level, it'll be a huge problem, but that in a lot of the deep red states that most the Republicans will win. I was like, huh, okay. I mean, you know, first time I've seen anybody put that in terms of their prediction. So I'm curious to see if he's right. Because like you said, that would be a more normal midterm backlash as opposed to an unprecedented 19, I forget the year, 1932 style wipeout, you know, something like that. So we'll see. It's gonna be very interesting. (upbeat music) - Lisa, tell them about our new show. I'm Lexi Iwanyu, we're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa de Julio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. Listen on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - If anyone wanted to commit a murder, up here would be the greatest place in the world hide the body. He acted friendly, he talked friendly, he sounded friendly. I saw a bomb, a backhander, a pow! 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