#1 Cartel Expert on Mexico Invasion, CJNG, Mormons & Pegasus | Ed Calderon

(upbeat music) - So you were cooking crack in the hotel last night? Sorry about that. - They were cooking something. There's a lot of smoke, but it was cool. - It was cool. They let you back in your room this morning. - Yeah, it's got outside with my bare chest, you know. - That's great. I'm sure that was a sight for everyone in Jersey City. - I mean, I have a very careless chest. I have a lot of me. (laughing) - Brown nipples and hairless chest. That's how you know, have some native in me. - So they got you out that fast. You couldn't even throw a shirt on. You were just like full boxers. - I was taking a shower and then I'd hooked out the room and people were running. So like maybe this is a real fire. - Yeah, they fire trucks and everything. That scared the shit out of me when you sent me that video and then you're like, it is all good. - It's fine and normal is a fluid concept for me. - Yeah. - And that's pretty normal. - It's almost like you bring it with you, you know. - It's almost like I have a black cat stuck up my ass. - Yeah. - It's something. The only guy that's ever decided to like explore around there. When you put people up at that hotel everywhere, it's just enjoys the hotel and they don't go down the street 'cause there's a lot going on there. But you're like, I love this. It's like Tijuana, let's go. - That part of Jersey is pretty Tijuana-like. I like it, I like it. - Well, we like to be in the shit around here, as they say. But at its great to see it, we had a nice romantic morning together because the calendar was on Pacific time. So that was nice surprise, get you early. - ADHD and all that and brain damage. But I'm here, that was a beautiful day. - Right. - Amazing, like this is, again, for me, this is like an exotic space. Like I'm from Tijuana, you know? - Oh, it's exotic around here. - Yeah, this is exotic to me, you know? - That's the first weird exotic in New Jersey. - Yeah, I'm from Tijuana, so all this shit is like, fucking bougie and exotic. The sopranos are around here, like what? - That's right. Yeah, I can take it by all those spots for sure. But you got a good day to see the full skyline, which my friend John Sierra was weighing in. On Instagram, he is wrong. The best view of New York is where I took you, not where he said. - Okay. - Shout out John, but, you know, anyway. But what he'd been up to, man, it was, it was obviously the last time you were here, it was a six hour Odyssey, we did two episodes. - Okay. - 3.92 and 3.93, or 2.92 and 2.93. But obviously, a lot's been going on since then, so you just been bouncing around Mexico? - Bouncing around the US and Mexico. I think the last time I was here, I think I ominously said that something was probably gonna pop off somewhere in the hills of Polisco. - Dude, you were cooking. And that was before the El Mencho killing the head of, they took out the head of the new generation cartel. I had a prediction that it was gonna be Americans doing that. It wasn't Americans directly. It was a US drone flying over and confirming the fact that that guy was in a cabin with his girlfriend in Tupalpa. - That's how the confirm happened. - I've heard different stories, and mind you, most of my information, I'm not a cartel reporter, I didn't go to journalism school. I have a lot of friends in weird places. And I have a lot of friends within the special operations community in Mexico, so I got a pretty early notice about what happened. Here are different things. One of them was that they tracked a woman that he would frequent. - Yes. - He was held up in a cabin in a very rural part of Polisco called Tupalpa. It's beautiful, it's like a Aspen call, you know? - Yeah. - Only the best for those guys. - And at some point, a drone flew over his pad and they were trying to figure out if he was there or not. He was pretty good about keeping out of the view of the sky. - Like been loud and kinda high walls. - Yeah. - Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. - But then they found the woman that he was frequenting and they saw a man coming out of the house out into the view of the sky, hugging this woman. And I think that's what probably confirmed where he was. A few hours later, members of Mexican special operations showed up in and bulk. And after a long firefight, they had RPGs on them. They had a bunch of sophisticated firearms. It wasn't enough though, this time. And he made a run for it for the hills. Some people say he was executed. Some people say he was caught in the firefight that eventually killed him. And after his death, his head of propaganda and communications basically called out every single member of his cartel to go and burn vehicles across the country. - And that was that whole like 24 hour period which it was just popping off. But then it stopped. - It was a day. It was a day of them, they burned a Costco, which is pretty kind of like-- - Russian, you know, we got enough of those. - They burned a Costco gas stations that had American ties to them. Apparently we're targeted. - I used to have this map of where they were active and you can superimpose that old map with where they started burning vehicles. And it's a perfect match. And that is a lot of territory that they are in active then. Basically, it's like 60% of Mexico. - Why do you think it just like stopped on a dime? It felt like as far as like burning shit in the street goes, it felt very organized. - It was, I mean, it was very organized. The new generation cartel has basically, it's like a franchise company. It has many people that have these organizations that they then go under the banner of this new generation cartel and they have been expanding and growing exponentially for years now. And the head of this cartel, Mencha was after the arrest after the abduction of El Mayasambada, who was historically kind of the biggest fish out there. After he was put on a quick flight to New York, just like Maduro. After he was put on a plane by the son of El Chapaguz, one of his sons figured something out there which kind of tie into what we're gonna talk about later as far as all the politicians are currently in hot water in Mexico. - You saw this emboldened new generation cartel growing exponentially in Mexico. It's the biggest cartel out there right now. - Do we have an idea of like ballpark, the size of quote unquote "secario soldiers"? - There's no way of counting them realistically. - They don't check in for the-- - No, but we talk to a few of their soldiers in the past. We've interviewed some of them and they talk about numbers, hundreds in training camps or in holding patterns outside of the cities in the rural areas. So they need to get fed. So there's ledgers of how much people are getting paid, how much people are getting paid to feed them, house and clothing. Equipment. - Yes. You gotta keep track of all that. - So it's a whole army that they have basically. They have drone capabilities, anti-aircraft capabilities. They're one of the only confirmed cartels that have been able to take down aircraft by the military, from the military. - They're taking down military aircrafts? - We talked to one kid, I think two years ago, who was a former tank operator, a former monster operator for them, that he would drive around when those armored homemade trucks. And he talked to us about what type of capability they had. And in a sideline conversation, he talked about how they took one of the mini guns from one of these planes. But these helicopters, they took down. It was explaining how they took it out. And then we started seeing these cars outfitted with these mini guns. So, historically, the last major arrest attempt on a mencho was during, they took down a helicopter. - When was that? - I was probably six years ago. If I'm missing. - That was the last. - That was the last attempt at trying to grab them and that turned into a prolonged firefight. There was a federal cop that survived the crash, got horribly burned. He was assassinated later, like two years back. So, like, this is an unforgiving cartel. - Clearly. - They'll find you if you cross them. This figurehead that they had, a mencho was-- - Wait, why do you call them a figurehead? - Because they change, right? Realistically, when you look at a lot of these cartel organizations, they, and I think we're actually living through a mass extinction event. This El Chapo figurehead cartel system is I think it's going away. - Cartel mass extinction event. - Yeah. - You just gave me a good title. - That's what's going on, probably. When you see the ways that both the US is putting pressure on politicians that use to protect some of these people, to the ways that they make their money and the ways that they have basically roots and family members up here in the States. And the, it's been a long, it's like an open secret that the CIA has operated in Mexico for decades. We're seeing open activity by them now, in a lot of ways, or at least they've been revealed in many places in Mexico, including two CIA agents dying after a massive drug laboratory was found. - Where was that? - I feel like Stefano told us about that. - Yeah, this is a, I'm forgetting the state. But by the way, Ed, just I want to point this out because you brought this up. Deep got this while you were talking. The Holesco new generation cartel gained international attention for the tactic of anti-aircraft, I think is what it is, right? In May 2015 during a coordinated offensive in Holesco, CJ and G are operatives, use a Russian-made rocket propelled grenade. Yeah. Good stuff. They found more of those when they got out to them. Russian stuff is premium. That's what I, if my cartels have it, that's what I want them to have. Yeah. Russian Soviet blocks stuff. It keeps longer. The issue with an American-made RPG of some sort of rocket launcher or a manpad, as they call them, remote control-guided stuff, is they have a shelf life expiration date. But not this Soviet stuff. You can story it apparently. But when I cut you off, you were citing like some of the CEO's. There's a governor, governor's motto compost. I'm blanking on the state right now, topologies. But there was a massive drug bust, and two CIA agents died in a car crash, supposedly after this drug bust. Car crashes are commonly utilized as cover stories for the CIA, as far as how people die. Hastings. We don't know if they were caught in a shootout or something of that nature, but there you go. Yeah. Next thing the governor says she's being persecuted over a case of two CIA agents killed in drug lab raid. This is from May 27, 2026. Next thing the governor of Chihuahua said Wednesday she was being persecuted by the country's ruling party over the case of two US officials who died in April during an unauthorized drug raid in her state. Maria Eugenia Campos from the opposition national action party appeared for questioning at the Mexican General Prosecutors Office of Mexico City regarding the April 19th incident. The two Americans killed in the crash were employees of the Central Intelligence Agency. Last trace, let's trust. Multiple people familiar with the matter told CBS news. The CIA declined to comment outside the prosecutor's office. Campos said she was being persecuted with the entire weight of the state apparatus while politicians from the ruling marina party have absolute impunity. The issue is that she is from the conservative party. They don't like that. That's one issue. The other issue is she probably, I'm pretty, she's getting charged with treason at some point if they remove her political immunity. Can you charge her with treason? Yes, the treason is act allowing foreign agents to act within your state. Oh, if she, okay, yeah. So I'm probably pretty sure that she didn't know what was going on. The CIA has a way of going into places like that and basically through training and consultation. They probably went in through a state police agency into Mexico and they started sharing information and consulting and all of a sudden the state cops are working with the CIA. Something of that nature. She would have known that at some point. She probably would have known that later, but I don't think she was informed by it. But the issue is she's of the conservative party. Marina is not the conservative party. Although it's full of ex-conservative party members because Marina is viewed by many people as a party of the left. But I was in politics for a while when I was in my during my career and I recognize every single face that I see in Moana, a lot of them as being former members of the conservative party because they jumped ship because that's the ruling party right now. So they just switch, they just switch allegiances. The CIA has been revealed to be operating both there and there's there was a case of a cartel member, El Bayín, a scene and a law operative that was apparently blown up in a weird way after leaving the IFA airport in Mexico City. El Bayín. El Bayín. How do you spell that? PAYIN. El Bayín. He's got it. A lesson, a law a cartel operator for Francisco. El Bayín, Beltram was killed in late March when his Toyota pickup truck exploded from a car bomb on the Mexico Pechucha Highway just outside the IFA airport on the outskirts of Mexico City. Stefano played this video. Yeah, the official narrative by the government is that there was a grenade that they they all like I pulled this pin on this grenade and exploded. I've thrown grenades before. Yeah. And that's not what a grenade does realistically and also you can see the cone of explosion just going upwards and having this bubble almost effect on the on the car. That looks like a targeted explosive charge put in the middle center console. That's what that looks like. Now why would they kill this guy? Well, he was a mayo aligned figure. The scene of a law cartel no longer exist as a cohesive structure. It's those mayos or the sons of El Mayo Sambada and the people lined with him on one side and those chapitos or the chapiza as they call themselves on the other side. They are at war. A civil war that started with the abduction of El Mayo Sambada, which people say it was the scene of the members of El Chapaguzman's clan taking him to train barter with his with his life for their brothers and to get some sort of immunity maybe. This could be possible. That's probably sounds pretty accurate. A few of their family members crossed through San Isidro into into San Diego and are now protected witnesses. But there's two brothers out there still fighting it out for control of Lachapisa, Archivaldo and his brother. So you're seeing these events in Mexico. When we talk about the CIA operating down there it's it's not people talk about invasions that they have in this mind. There's going to be invasion in invasion in Mexico that there's going to be in Marines showing up into Durango and going Torabora and some of those high Sierra mountains. If you lined up every single Marine in Pendleton on the border in San Diego you wouldn't be able to contain the mass if you had any moving through that border. If you do something like you didn't rack I mean there's no way. It's that much. It would it would displace many. If you would go into an overt invasion like that in Mexico is my opinion. And also we're one of your biggest trading partners and a lot of the infrastructure around northern Mexico is what the United States needs to fulfill its industrial base. It's very complicated. It is shooting yourself in the leg if you attempt something like that. My whole theory was that we're going to see a soft invasion of some sort. Soft invasion. Influence. You know pushing things forward in certain ways. A lot of people view this as a war against drugs. We've been in a war against drugs for decades. That's not what this is. I think this is a political war. We've we've had a bunch of documents declassified around the Kennedy assassination recently. And in a lot of them they reveal how many of the presidents in Mexico were actually CIA backed and paid operatives. That really didn't make the headlines but that's very interesting. I mean when we talk about one Mexico is where it is. Yeah there's a lot of blame to go around. And there's a lot of responsibility within the Mexican political structure about that is culturally. But the United States has definitely had a hand in some of these things that have happened down there. Now when do you think that line of people who were backed by CIA or people who were, you know, in some way shape or form favored by the United States and the United States interest? Well that probably ended with Paganieto. The last PRI president we had. And then what years brought? I'm going to need some help with the years. But after Fox, right? Yeah. After after Philippe Calderon you had Paganieto. And after that you had. 2012 to 2018. And and after that you had a landslide victory by this figure. And this manuelo, who started this this movement, this Morena party. It's a populous movement like many in South America, you know, openly pro Maduro, pro Cuba, you know pro everybody that the United States doesn't like basically. And in a lot of ways the Mexican people as a punishment for what they viewed as systemic corruption for decades, which was very real. And it's very real still. They they they put the decided to vote and punish the the political class. And they did so by in a landslide victory kind of electing under Spaner Lopez O'rathor. He came in with majorities. So he started passing a lot of sweeping laws and constitutional amendments. Would you mind just explaining to people out there, especially like all the American listeners who are unfamiliar with how Mexico's government works, like the chain of command and how votes get passed, like how similar it is or dissimilar to America? We have a house. We have how it represents is we have Congress. We have majorities, super majorities as well. And when Morena went in, they got a super majority, which is still in play. Meaning that they also do have to put bills through the separate Congress and that has to get through before it gets the president to be able to sign. But a lot of that gets fast track when you have the super majority, which they have now. So when he came in, his antagonistical nature against the United States was very clear. One of the first things he did was kick out the DEA out of Mexico in a lot of ways or at least hampered their movement. suspicious about US activity within Mexico and he basically put in his own people in different key places in Mexico to try and, you know, keep the US influence out. That's what you saw. Coincidentally enough, he came in during the first administration, the first Trump administration, which apparently they had a pretty good relationship. They speak well of each other. Overdoor did. Yeah, over there spoke pretty well of Trump. I don't know if it's out of respect. Extra young man is very strong. All of it, all of it, right? I don't know if it's out of fear respect, but there was something going on there. Um, Um, Um, those solution to cartels was, hey, there is no drug war going on. But it, what, but all these cartels, all these people did not. Oh, it's, it's violence. It's a side of violence. It's all this, but there's no, there's no, I don't know. We're just going to stop thinking about it as a war and we're going to go, well, barassos, no balassos, the famous, uh, uh, bullet, hugs over bullets. Um, and he went on a campaign and he won over one. Um, and you started seeing this, uh, this spring when it came to cartels. I mean, they grew, that specifically seen the lower cartel, um, grew in influence and in power. And the new generation cartel as well, both of these kind of in tandem kind of grew with each other as they were warring. Uh, but, uh, what you saw in that time period was criminal organizations figured out that in a lot of ways, they can go into politics themselves. Similar phenomenon that happened in here in the States where the mafia got involved in politics and now their unions and their other stuff, you know, yeah, look what we built. Look at that. Come on. Come on. Beautiful. You saw it. It's beautiful. Beautiful. Uh, yeah, the, the same thing is happening in place like to loom, I guess. Yeah, let's show him camera five. These, that's beauty right here built by a lucky Luciano and friends. But, uh, they, they, a lot of them went into politics and that's why you started seeing this poor inflation of, uh, of assassinations of political candidates are like, our cartel Canada is going to win your, and that's what you saw there. Uh, and you saw the election, uh, towards the end of his administration of, um, this, uh, Rocha Moya character, which is now currently being sought by U.S. authorities under narcoterism charges. Yes. This isn't the general. Is it? No, the general gave himself up and he's currently, uh, protected witness of some sort, but, uh, Ruben Rocha Moya is a lifelong friend of Andrés Manuel López Oredor. Um, this is him. This is him. Um, looks like a real straight shooter. There, there was a lot of visits by Andrés Manuel López Oredor to the hometown of El Chapo Guzman. He actually, there's a famous video of him shaking hands with a mom and talking to the lawyer of El Chapo Guzman. Um, correcting reporters on how you shouldn't be called El Chapo Guzman. They should call him by his Christian name and all that. It was an interesting interactions with him. Um, he might have been just being respectful. But, uh, he went there like six times or something like that. And Sinaloa was apparently very key for him or important or strategically important for him to visit a lot. And then his best friend and one of his closest associates, Ruben Rocha Moya gained the governorship of Sinaloa through Morena. And, uh, when that happened, El Chapo, Luis Chapito was probably involved in his elections. You have a lot of cases of people talking about being running against him or public campaigns that were running against him who were, you know, targeted by these cartels, abductions for people being forced to vote for a certain candidate, all that stuff went on there. And, those chapels grew during this, uh, administration of El Andrés Manuel López Oredor. When they caught the son of El Chapo Guzman who was currently at the state side, uh, under- Which one is that? Uh, El Ratón, the, the, the mouse video. Ovidio. Yeah. When they caught him, the first time, because there was two times, that's when the whole Kuliecanaso thing went off. Yes. The president of Mexico and the vulnerabilities over there for security reasons is what he said. Um, for no more bloodshed to happen, he was released, which is the first time that something like that had happened. So they, he basically ordered the release of this individual. Later on, he was again arrested. Uh, few special forces operators died and his arrest. It was a pretty big firefight. They finally caught him. And the extradition was almost pretty expedited this time. Now, people look at that event and they wonder if he was, you know, compromised or if he was working on behalf of one side or the other. There's no way of knowing realistically, but it was very suspicious. This new president comes in. His term ends. He's very loved. He's very loved in Mexico. Uh, he did, overdor, overdor, very popular. He left with a very high approval rating, still has a very high approval rating. He's like this figure in the background. Uh, he's come out publicly two or three times to defend the current president of Mexico and to speak about American interventionism in Mexico. And how, if he has to, he'll go and fight to defend Mexico. You know, this is the whole thing with him. He's a figurehead in a lot of ways, political figure at high level one. So I think what you're seeing now with the US and how it's kind of trying to navigate this, this issue with Mexico is number one, they realize that they don't have a real ally within Mexico as far as this issue. Hmm. Because there's this, uh, feeling of, so the current administration under Claudia Shamebom had been supplying the Cubans with oil for a year for, for a while, right? And that had to stop after the US started putting pressure on Mexico to stop that. That was pre-Venezuela. Yeah. Yeah. And she was also importing a bunch of doctors that were working in Mexico from Cuba. There was a lot of, they're always spies. That's, this is exactly what everybody just knows about them. So there, there's a lot of that going on, a lot of Russian, uh, uptake and, and, and, and people working for their, um, for their embassy and stuff like that in Mexico, the embassy. Yeah. There's a lot of embassy workers, a lot of more Russian embassy workers now for some reason, which is something they talked about in Congress here in the US. I think a general talked about this a while back, but also the US does the same thing. So it's like basically this, this intelligence front opened up in Mexico. It's, it turned into that after this past administration and this administration, things kind of went to where they are. Um, I predicted the fact that Trump was going to probably designate them as terrorists. Yes. And when I did that, people were like kind of mocking me about that. It's, they don't fit the bill and everything on that. And now we're here. Now, narco terrorism is being utilized as a broad sort to do a lot of things. But what, so that's actually a great thing to bring up because I've been wondering this and I've asked everyone who's on the ground. There has come through here since that designation happened about this. Like what has tactically happened that since then that's in line with us actually like treating them like terrorists. Uh, I mean, the military is being utilized directly in some of these drug interdiction, uh, operations in Mexico. So, uh, we have overflying military drones of all kinds, boats, uh, sending up aircraft over Mexico. There's a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of military bombs say about this. She's like, oh, this is normal. Basically, you know, you know, this, this type of, uh, the, the head of security there, uh, was talking about there was one, there was like a year ago, this past year, there was a drone flying over Durango, American drone, just like doing circles over Durango. And everybody has light right now. So they could some, some people can track some of this type of stuff. So they were like asking like, what's up with this drone? Oh, it's a, it's a government drone by the US. But it's, don't worry about it. Yeah. That's fine. We know what they're doing here. It's like something civilian. Don't worry about it. So if they, if that government drone hypothetically like sees some guy, let's call them, you know, one Carlos and he's like a capo, like someone pretty high up and they're like, oh, there he is outside the bar chilling. It could just be like, you go on. This is, this is what I've seen as far as the chain. As soon as you started seeing the, the skies swarmed with US assets, which that's what's happening in the past year. What they were probably doing is mapping out all their communication structure, command structure, supply lines. A lot of it would happen in the Gulf region of Baja, the Baja Gulf region, which is interesting because that's, that's Sonora, that's Cinaloa, that's Halisco, that's where all of the, some of these bigger organizations are based out of. And then after all that intelligence gathering, that's when you started seeing some of these cartelheads fall, right? So it, it seemed like a preemptive move by the United States because I knew there was about to kick up B hive, which that's what the Mexican government views the abduction of Ilmaio Sambada as. And they view it as a treason is act like they have treason, they, they, they, they want to charge El Chapago's month son that participated in this abduction for treason because he, he abducted somebody for a foreign government. So they, they view it as a treason, it's interesting. But was it a US operation to abduct them? I mean, yeah, there was probably some US involvement. Was the Mexican government completely innocent around all this? Well, they acted in a very suspicious way. And again, going back to Rocha Moia, Rocha Moia, the best friend of Indra Manolo, a little bit over there, this political figure behind the scenes of everything down there, these are, these are Trump in a lot of ways, although they didn't want to think about it that way. But he's kind of this figure charismatic. Yes. And you have Rocha Moia, who is the governor of the state called into a meeting by Hiltapa Guzman and El Mayo Sambala. El Mayo's Guzman son in El Mayo Sambala. He was, El Mayo was going to mediate of some sort of issue that the governor of Rocha Moia had with the director of the university there, Nemesio Guen. So they were basically going to, he was going to be like, you know, mediator in this meeting. Well, that didn't happen. They shot the, the, the governor never showed up. They shot the, the, the, Nemesio Guen and, and then put him in a truck and then the state police tried to make it look like he was going to get robbed at a gas station. And there's a video of this. All this shit was like in fabricated by them. And then I turned out, hey, you know, it was, it was a planned abduction and there was murders and the state government on at the charge of Rocha Moia was hiding a lot of this shit. And now we have this issue where the US is asking for 11 politicians and a few of them have already turned themselves in from Mexico. And Mexico is like saying, whether shame on saying like we need evidence. The same government that extradited the, I don't know, like 50 people in the past two years now needs evidence. Now they need evidence because it's a sitting political figure. And it's specifically the best friend of our figure head. So that's actually you were talking early on about the El Mencho raid. And yeah, we're jumping in a lot of different things here. People will get to a lot of it. Just there's a lot going on. So this is good shit. But maybe that's a good spot to ask my alshin, my shine bomb question because it seems like she has some political power. But then you see what happened with the El Mencho thing where she wasn't even told about it ahead of time. And you're like, if you're not even told about the most important one and criminal in the country being whacked by your own military, how much way do you even have in your own government? People will argue about that. But let's say you're Chloe Shaman in charge of Mexico when you're like, Hey, the military called you like, Hey, we're about to take out El Mencho. Did they actually call it like as they were doing it? I don't think they did. Right. It doesn't seem like it. So like you would preemptively maybe, maybe call off your, you know, she was, she was out and about, you know, just shopping. Her security profile was pretty low back then. Now she's now that gone away probably. But the security profile was basically she would walk around like that is going back to Amlo. Amlo basically got rid of the Mexican secret service, the style of my yore. And he would just walk her, he would drive in a jet out. There's videos of him. He would say the people are my bodyguards. Balls, I guess. But that sounds like a man who's paid off. Chloe was trying to kind of do the same thing. But after this raid, something, something change, she was out and about. There's rumors that she was like evacuated after the, the, the event into like on a military ship that they could probably turn out to be bullshit. But she seemed not the, when you saw the mass unrest and burnings. And how no preparation was there. I mean, people were scrambling. People were off base. People were, yeah. A lot of the federal police officers that died in that event were killed because they were ambushed by the cartel members looking for revenge. And they would go, they would just go after everybody. So it seemed like she had no idea this was coming, which means that the Mexican army is operating in a slightly independent way, maybe, or they viewed this as a now and ever type thing. It's odd. The weight, the weight, the weight went down as odd. And over and over again, Chloe has seemed to have seemed to be in the dark about some of the stuff that's going on. You know, when the arrest warrant for all these political figures came down, she was like, yeah, we know where all of them are. We just need more proof. And all of a sudden, two of them were in the U.S. turning, turning themselves over. She's one of them, the general, one of them is the general, the former head of security in that state of Sinoa, which again, tied to Rocha Moia and was tied to a bunch of other things. Member of the military, you know, all of these characters around this specific Rocha Moia case are people who facilitated the growth of this organization, the Chapeza. And specifically, the solidifying power there. And it seems like a lot of them were also, you know, being funded politically or influential through this. And all this money has to go somewhere. So political campaigns, enterprises, licenses to build buildings or going to different companies, the Kila companies, all of this, the, the, the, the, there's a video of Claudia Sheinbaum next to the municipal president of the town of Tequila, Calisco, who turned out to be a cartelman. I mean, that's how it goes. And she's like, this is our guy here in Calisco. This is the guy we want. And, you know, now he's, now he's in custody, which got good on her that there were resting people of their own party in that way. But there's more of them. How did they catch him? Mexico has been going through these swarm operations. Swarm. They have, they, they used to be a federal police. And they got rid of it during on Dresman Elopas, over others tenure. They basically turned it into a military police, which is the National Guard Unit guys, the guys that are dressed in white. And they put, they inserted that into the military. So it's like a military policing arm all over the country. But before that, there was the Mexican federal police. And that used to have an intelligence service and investigate a service and all this. So it's become revived again. A lot of the old school have people that used to work for that institution are now working for the secret that they actually have public safety service secretary. And they're actually doing the jobs that they should have been doing for a long time, probably under a lot of international political pressure. But they're going town to town and realizing that like, hey, where's the cartel here? There's no cartel. Oh, it's the, it's a municipal police or the cartel here. And they mean this little president is the cartel guy here. So like, they're going into towns like that and just resting some of the, the mayors of these towns, because that's, because they won through their connections and money to these cartels. And Lee and off there are a lot of the more marina party members. I mean, whether it's marina or their opposition party or anything in between, isn't the story still pretty much just the same that it's just whack them all over and over again. Like art, you got five, well, 10 more sprouted up and we don't know about him yet. One thing I want people to just realize, we say more, and we, we imagine that this, it's this socialist or like this left this organization that just popped out of nowhere and all of it's affiliates or like leninist and co-communist or something. That's not the case. At the center of it, there were some people like that. But mostly it's people from other parties saying like, we're not winning in these elections anymore. Let's just flip sides. So you see, you see people, Baja California is one of these examples. You see the governance of Baja, the husband got investigated for what she called, which is basically fuel theft and a few other things. There's a lot of that going on now, which is like, it's another thing that doesn't get talked about that much here in the US. There's currently a guy, there's a former admiral of the Mexican Navy in custody and I think he's still in Argentina, because he's where you go these days. It's an interesting, it's an interesting through in country to be arrested and caught is what I'm going to say. But he's pulling up the Jericho missile map again. Let's say, let's say, let this this time. So people got that. But there was under the Anlo administration, there was a ginormous operation within the Mexican Navy to steal fuel and relabel it and move it around and that somebody made bank, somebody who knows who, but somebody made bank, somebody found out within the the marine administration. He got immediately and then somebody else got shot at a training event somewhere and then this guy went on the run and he's just arrested and he was just picked up in a lot of all places, Argentina. And the Mexican, yeah, the Mexican government, the Mexican president is asking for him to be, you know, handed over. So the investigation can continue. But this involves a lot of Modena, a directly active things, right? Dave just found this. This is what you were talking about. Mexican Navy rear admiral Fernando Farias Laguna was arrested in Buenos Aires, Argentina on an Interpol red notice. He was one in Mexico on organized crime and hydro caution, hydrocarbon trafficking charges related to a massive illegal fuel smuggling that work he is currently in custody, pending extradition, he's accused of leading a maritime network known as Wachichiko. Wachichiko. Wachichiko. Sorry. It's a fuel theft. Muggled stolen fuel in the Mexico, reportedly arranging for dozens of US-based ships to deliver over 1.5 million liters of fuel weekly. Was this the Mormons? Is this that one? Is this part of it? Yeah. You guys like oil and drugs, you know, that's the two things and these guys were involved in both of them. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned there is a lot of these Wachichiko networks were actually utilized to also put weaponry into Mexico. A lot of the military-grade stuff you're seeing in Mexico and specifically some of the trading and stuff like that are coming from people in some African countries are buying weapons legally in Europe through regular channels, signing them as a legal government purchase and then putting them on a boat that then goes back to Mexico. So that's how you see it. I don't want to see it, you know? Well, we're seeing drone warfare in Mexico carried out pretty sophisticatedly and we're seeing a lot of these Ukrainian trained guys coming back and just killing it out there. Oh, the mercenaries over in the war, you see Cat one and visited some of those guys. I can't believe all of real that is. But it is a school though. It is a university and you're seeing the elements of that university in Mexico now. You see stuff like this. That guy was directly involved in all this and it's an interesting thing that they're not letting go and it's an interesting place to run to is all I'm going to say. That's all you're going to say. Yes. It's an interest. I wouldn't go to Argentina myself. But he did and he was got there or handed himself in whatever you want to call it. But it seems to be like everything that the United States is trying to do around not only Mexico, but like a lot of these countries out there that have these people who are openly antagonist against the United States and its interest. This designation is being utilized and like we're talking about offline, if you're somebody in a country like that and you're involved in anything anti-American, who are your friends? Who's going to finance you? Not BlackRock? Yeah. It's going to be Cuba and places like that. It's going to be BlackRock. It's going to be somebody that sells rock, you know? Right. Right. So I think that's somebody figured that out and that's the tool that's being utilized. You're seeing Claudia Shame on right now in Mexico, basically in a stance of open hostility as far as anti-interventionism is the thing. We don't want the U.S. here. to invade us. We can do it ourselves. So you just saw JD Vans and also Trump during the G7 event two days ago speak openly about the fact that you know, Claudia Shame on is a great woman, but she's very afraid of the cartels who run that country. And JD Vans is like saying like if they force us and lives are in danger, we're going to have to do military operations in Mexico. Trump is talking about the fact that the sea is already kind of sealed off. The what? Routes into the United say the drugs you routes into the United States are already sealed off. They are. That's what he said. According to his numbers, I will speak to anybody out there if they seen some uptaken drug prices out there. I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not aware of any of that. I was talking to my guys the other day, something tells me we're seeing 40, 50 percent increases. So, yeah. Well, Trump is saying now that they're going to go into a ground campaign in Mexico, basically is what he said. They were doing a lot of ocean contradictions stuff and blowing up a bunch of boats on the ocean. A lot of these like cocaine submarines drug boats, fast boats. There's fishing villages all over the coastline in Mexico and some of these fishing villages, they moonlight, you know, at night. And they move things around the ocean and some of these boats have been been blown up in the ocean. Some of them get played for CNN. And some of them don't. Some of them just sink into the ocean and you never hear about them. But there's a lot of, I've spoken to a few people that have family members missing. Oh, they went out on a fishing trip and they just didn't come back. There's a lot of that going on right now and the people are afraid to go into that line of work, which if the US is trying to stop that, I guess that's working. Well, they're blown up trap houses, too, because when I had Eric Princeton here, I could say this now because it later came out publicly, but like we got off air, we went to take the picture over there. Like you want to see something cool, but okay, rips out his phone and it's like this gray scale drone image and you just see like some heat maps moving and like, okay. And he's like, wait for it. And then like one Mississippi, two Mississippi, he's like trap house, Haiti, nice. Yeah. They did an Ecuador with the the turn that our guy, they blew him up as well. Was that Eric? No, that was the US, they've maybe who knows. I think there are like covert military operations by the United States and Mexico and all over Latin America going on. It's like, it's not a secret anymore. A lot of this has been already kind of been uncovered. The purpose of them is what is interesting, like what are they trying to do? Who are they targeting and why? Well, in Mexico, they're now shifting their focus. Who's left in Mexico as far as like a big fish as far as cartels? Well, there's a few, you know, hard and arrow. Il hardy. Nero was arrested. He's gone. He's gone. He was just picked up. I really like that. No shots were fired. Pretty upsetting. He was apparently one of the their best fighters and also the head architect of the Alliance between the Chappitas and the new generation cartel, that's gone and over. The Chappitas are on the run. There's fire fights going on in places like Cabo. Cabo. Cabo. Cabo. It's a stronghold for them. Go to Cabo, everyone. They didn't warn you. There's a few there's a few things going on there. There's a there's a stuff going on in Sonora. There's stuff going on in the border between Baja and Sonora. There's there's movement across the country, northern part of the country right now as this increased structure. And right now there's a there's a siege going on in Durango where all these cartel remnants of the Sinaloa cartel are going to have a stronghold there, Oguano. Big cartelhead is hiding around there somewhere. Oguano. Oguano. Oguano. I got some hard names. I don't know how these, it's weird because some of them are aren't flattering, you know? Right. The Chappal means short. If you were a Chappal, would you allow people to call you shorty? You know, but it sounds hard in America. Yeah. Yeah. That's your customer. You know, I get it. It seems like we're moving into like siege warfare and a lot of these, a lot of these bigger organizations are getting smaller and getting a little more localized. The age of the big cartelhead and his like this mancho figure and having all these. It's gone. Gone. I don't I don't think it's going to last much long. You have Carlos Valencia González, who, he was the son-in-law of the mencho. Is this the one that lives in America? He's an American. Yeah, he's an American. He lives in California. He's from San Ana, California. Yeah. He's an American. So an American is the head of the biggest cartel organization in Mexico right now. So an American dream. So it's just like it's, so just people that wrap their head on it. He's the head of the new generation cartel now, according to people, according to a lot of people. And then you have, you know, Archivaldo and his brother, the last remaining sons of El Chapaguzman, who are basically on the run right now, the government is really going after them. And if you're an outsider looking at that from the outside, you say like, why are they going after the Chepito specifically and so hard? That's probably because they've been, they view them as collaborators for the Americans in a lot of ways because of what they did with Omayo. So that's an interesting thing to kind of think about. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's an interesting way of thinking about it. They're pretty much on the run. A lot of it. It's so interesting, though, because it's like on the one hand, Mexico and the governments like, please help us. And then on the other hand, but don't do it with a terrorist or a nation. But don't do it. But don't do it with the people that pay for. That's right. That's right. It's like a, it's like a game of thrones in six different directions. Yes. Yeah. So there's not a lot of them left. And you see this shift that the United States has. And now the eye of Sauron is pointed at the politicians. The governor of Sonora under investigation. And the way you learn about some of these has been pretty interesting. I think the first one that this happened to was the governor of Baja. She was trying to cross over to California. And they told her her visa was revoked. So that means that you are under investigation, apparently. They told her about it. And then they were like, hey, you don't have anything to worry about crossing San Diego. That was the way you could prove. So a lot of these politicians basically, because that's what they're getting notified that their visa are being revoked because they're under investigation. You have three governors currently under like direct investigation, Vendro Chamoya, who under his leadership, apparently, according to what I've seen. Um, members of his administration and people working under him, uh, specifically those chapitos who helped them get him into office, kidnapped a, um, kidnapped a, an individual who was apparently a DEA informant, uh, along with 10 other people, including a 13-year-old boy. Um, allegedly, he, they were under the protection and kind of like the influence of Ruben Rocha-Moya, uh, these cops, these municipal cops picked him up along with these other people and handed him over to those chapitos. And all of them got killed, including that 13-year-old boy. The cops handed them over. Yep. Municipal cops. What does the 13-year-old boy have to do with anything? His family. And they just killed the kid. I mean, I, I, I get it. We all listen to corridos and we all listen to romanticism and glorify some of the stuff and I watch Netflix in Mexico and they make them look so sexy and stuff like that. But some of these people are, there's a brutality to this. Do I ever tell you the carrot-peeler story? No. So you and I were talking when we were walking earlier and I told you to this day, one of the most bone-chilling things that ever got said in here was you unknowingly last time because I remember we recorded on like Wednesday, March 13th, and halfway through the podcast, you start saying you, you sort of tear and you're like, are we going to talk about the CIA in Mexico? We ain't talk about how they bought off top 10 banks and top 10 bankers at those banks to flip them to do money laundering for cartel people. And I'm, I'm looking at a lessee at the time, looking over and I'm like, funny you say that. The literal knock from CIA that did that told that story and that very chairless week about how he did that. And there was another story he told though because this guy went deep undercover within the cartels and his job as you well know was to not arrest them, but be a part of them. They took him downstairs to some warehouse, like some he was a money wanderer. So not a gun guy, but the gun guys took him down to the basement of some warehouse and there were a bunch of cartel dudes around a beaten up bloody guy who was, you know, pleading, whatever. But on the table, the reason he was pleading is they had his 10-year-old son and what they did is they all took turns with a carrot peeler to the son's face because the father had like robbed something from the cartels and he had to sit there and watch that. And like, you could see, you know, there's tons of people tell stories and they're like, I don't know about that. You could see it. Like this guy was pretty unshakable Matt Hedger, but when he told that one, he was, you just see like his mind. There was some sort of like unwritten rules and stuff like that and it did exist at some point, but that shit has gone. Years ago. I think the first time I heard anything of that nature was a little palma, sociable Chapaguzman, his wife was enamored by the Sicario. I think it was Venezuelan or something like that. And his wife and two kids were abducted and his kids were thrown over a bridge and videoed, and his wife's head was sent to him. And he went to the El Mayo, El Mayo Sambalda and said like, hey, can I return to the favor? And here we are, you know, the brutality I've seen out there is that story about that kid. It's one in thousands. Do you think that's from, you know, recruiting decent to decent to, why can't I talk right now, desensitization from, you know, getting kids when they're seven, eight years old and having them hold a rifle? The start of this brutality, I think. You could hear, you could see elements of it in the 90s and 2000s, like the story I just told. But then you go into the phenomenon of the Zetas. Those are the ones we trained. The United States had a hand in a lot of them. The United States had a hand in some of their training. There's like, I've heard rumors, I've never been there, but I've heard rumors of like pictures of them in some pretty interesting military bases in the United States. So in school, the Americas being mentioned and how that has a history. School of the Americas? Yeah, it's like, it's like a university that the US has for foreign military command to come and learn ways of figuring out their own countries. But foreign cartel command in this case. Yeah. The story goes that an army unit within the Mexican Special Forces deserted. Realistically, that's not what happened. They were sent under official orders to be the bodyguards of a state prosecutor and some of the Gulf states. And then they just said, well, we're actually here at a bodyguard, the head of the Gulf cartel. And they were like, okay, let's figure this out, I guess, you know, they take orders. And they got really good at it. And then they said, like, hey, we can do this ourselves. We have more discipline than you guys. And they became this monster of an organization. They were growing exponentially in Mexico. And I think they cut the I of the US, which in a lot of ways, they were like, hey, this, this, uh, this isis like figure of these that does growing in Mexico is probably not the best thing in the world. And the ones that went to war directly with them were the scene of the lower cartel. When was that? This was the early 2000s. Uh, this is around fast and the furious when a lot of those guns were showing up in the hands of some of these cartel members, specifically the scene of the long cartel because they needed weapons to fight the set. Oh my god. And I'm not, and now I'm not going to end up. We could, well, let's, let's do it. This is theories. I do. This is, this is pure spec. Dude, I'm head injuries. I'm just a dude from DJ. That's right. But you, you, you were dropping some alpha on me on our walk this morning about operation, fast and furious. So pure spec, pure speculation here. We don't know. I don't know. What are you hearing from the birdies? I found some of those guns. Number one, you found them. Yeah, I found some of them. Yeah, I find these 50 cal, uh, barric rifles with the instruction manuals and everything in the box. This is back when you were in the active, active and we go into fucking houses and all of a sudden, these fucking armories are there and like, oh, this is a lot of guns. And all of a sudden, the ATF shows up a few hours later outside the building. It's like, hey, can we look at some of those guns? So it seemed like they materialized in the span of a few months and they started showing up in a lot of specific places around the scene of low cartel. It's like, hey, like somebody said, like, hey, we need these guns to fight these people. Now, the fact that they were buried 50 cal's showing up is interesting. The first cartel that started utilizing improvised armor in their operations was the Zetus. And those need to be shot at with 50 cal's. And to this day, when you see cartel monster on monster warfare, Zakatikus has a lot of that going on. The new generation cartel and some of the elements of the, those mayo, fight it out and tank, tank battles all the time. But the first time that happened was the Zetus. So you see the scene in the battle scene in the long cartel fighting against the Zetus and they need firepower. It's like Robocop. Remember when the Bautiker boys got these 50 cal's? Same thing happened. It's like, hey, we need, we need something to fight against Robocop. No, we need something to fight against the Zetus and the armor truck. So he started seeing these 50 cal. I'm not, again, it seems very suspicious that this fast and furious operation which actually preceded the, the holder administration is like, I think it started in the Bush administration. Wow. And according to some people in Mexico that I've talked to, this, the, the numbers that the US shares as far as how many of those guns were out there is not high enough. Not high enough. And it seemed to have armed a very specific cartel because the interest of the United States was to fight the other one that was growing that wasn't aligning with their interest. That's like the theory. Yeah, that's pure spike. Of course, but what really struck me about that when you were bringing that up on our walk is that the, like the fall guy would literally pee the attorney general of the United States because it's like, yeah, it's better. That's like one of the highest offices in the land. They just, whoever was like behind this and realized, well, this went bad, decided that that was a better fucking weapon boy than whatever was actually causing it. And I'll ask you this question. You get caught. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're colder, you know. And you just got caught letting thousands of firearms just cross the border. You lose your job or something or maybe, but nothing happened. Nothing happened. Nothing happened later with other administrations as well. Again, so I raised a few thousand dollars for the Ryan Terry Foundation, this, this agent that was killed with some of those guns and got less him in his family. But nobody speaks about some of the friends that I lost to that, to some of those firearms because they're Mexican kids. Nobody gives a fuck about. So when I talk about some of this, shit, I talk about it in a very personal way. I was shot at with some of those guns as well. Mexicans, like the Mexican culture and the people when they talk about Mexican, when they talk, when they think about or view US intervention in Mexico. you'll hear several things. One, fear, because they've seen what an invasion looked like by the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan. They don't trust the U.S. completely, obviously. They shout about, why don't you just stop using drugs? Why don't you just stop using drugs? Why are you sending all these guns down to Mexico? Is another argument you see a lot? And when the rhetoric goes into political spear, politicians in Mexico will say, like, well, shut the flow of guns down in Mexico. Maybe they'll cut the violence and maybe stop harming some of these cartels or stop training some of these people that then turn into cartel forces. And on the other end of it, you see the U.S. saying, well, we're going to fight the cartels and stop these drugs from coming over the border. And the issue is with Mexico and with the cartels and the politicians that protect cartels. And there's a disconnect there of those two realities. And that's why a lot of people are very nervous in Mexico and that's why a lot of people should be nervous up here in the United States because anything that happens in Mexico will be felt here, like nothing else you've ever had as far as a war. Mexico is one of the biggest trading partners with the United States. Overall, Mexican immigration is down to historic lows. Yeah, to America. Yeah, I posted a video of one of the crossings recently in Tagate and you see a lot of people, but you don't see a lot of Mexicans, European, Arabic, North African is what you see. North African. A lot of Chinese. Yeah, now they don't they still do the whole system where they go through like the dairy and gap and everything and all the way up. Yep, that's that's I think one of them, one of those routes is still active, but a lot of them are just lying in with like normal to Mexico and then just dumping out all their paperwork and just crossing the border. The border security in places like DJs up, but people are still crossing, you know, it's like I understand the up and security, but all that does is raise its prices for some of these mugglers. You see, you see that's still going on and that's a major source of money for some of these organizations that are working on the border. There is a disconnect between what the US public sees in Mexico and what the Mexican public sees in the US. They're currently seeing the US as a looming threat, just like the Ukrainians are seeing the saw Russia before the invasion. That's what the sentiment in Mexico is like. Really? Politically, yes. In some places and some of people talk about that type of stuff with fear. There was a drone attack in a place called playas de Tijuana. It's right on the beach on the border with San Diego. The new generation cartel dropped a bunch of bomblets on a state prosecutor's office. Everybody was afraid that like you would think that people were like, oh, the cartels are attacking, no, they were afraid that the US was attacking. That's the weird fear now. It's like in the back of people's minds. At the beginning, they thought it was the US. When you see this stuff on the news about them putting maybe a bomb in a cartel guy's car, or maybe being responsible for the abduction of Amaya Sambada, which led to a ginormous war that has killed many people in this place. Many people and I met this guy in San Diego. He was a highly traumatized dude. He was a business owner in Cinaloa. I can't say what exactly his business was. He was a cartel guy. He was like a legitimate business. He's an engineer. His business was broken into by the cartel guys. They stole all of his trucks and then they went to his house and ripped a safe out of his wall and took one of his sons. Took one of his sons. Yeah. Just to say that we're taking this son. Don't call the cops. We'll let him go later. I was the son like a 10 years old or something like that. Did he get him back? Yeah. A few days later. What do you think he did after that? He took whatever they told him. He flew to Tijuana, paid a coyote, and he crossed into the United States. God damn man. That's a bit. That's an engineer business owner. It's an engineer business owner. Just like that bad. I got to get them. I'm out blame. Fuck it. Fuck out. Leave. But that's one story of oh yeah. When the whole vehicle burning shit was going on across the country. I met Mr. Almento. Alistair Almento. I went down there to I had to get a family member out of that area. The burning said stop but there was fear in my family member and they wanted to leave so I just went down there and tried to figure that out. I saw a truck, one of the trucks that were burned across the road and there was a guy sitting on it. I went out and gave him some granoles and some water. Looked like he'd been there for a while. Turns out that was his whole business, this truck. That was his livelihood. And stories like that are abundant. But one of the biggest ones I think for me is this. It gets talked about but I don't know why it doesn't horrify people that much. The industrial level method of some of these organizations of getting rid of people. Yeah. Talk about this. This is crazy. When you go and if anybody ever goes to Guadalajara and right now if you're out there for the World Cup, which I think is a bullshit event and FIFA is a horrible corrupt institution, whatever. Come back to that. If anybody is out there for the World Cup, go down to downtown Guadalajara and you'll see that they tore a lot of these fucking signs out. But it is like a zombie apocalypse movie where all the missing posters are of the people's like the tapestry to all around downtown. Thousands of kids, women and kids, a tapestry of missing people's persons faces. You go there and you will lose count. I tried to count them. Like, ah, maybe there's a few repeat ones here. There are thousands of them. Kids. Kids. And a lot of them have the same story. Hey, I don't have a lot of opportunities here. Like I need to work call centers. I'll go to this call center is going to hire me or this company's going to hire me. They show up there and they get, you know, a screwdriver toss in the middle of them and like whoever survived, like Joker levels, shit, like whoever survived. Tryouts. Tryouts. Oh my god. Kids. Kids. This guy we interviewed, I went down there with Johnny Mitchell and we interviewed this kid who was an Uber driver. A new Uber driver. Yeah. And he got in a car car wreck and he didn't have any insurance. So he said, well, I have to get a side gig. And the side gig was meeting up with the new generation cartel being recruited. He gets taken into a car at a bus station driven into the mountains. But before he gets there, the cops stop them. The municipal police stop them and they question all of them. They beat the shit out of them. And like, where are you going? Really? Like, who are you with? Like, what are you really doing here? All this type of stuff. They wouldn't crack. It's like, ah, good. You're strong people. There were municipal cops or cartel guys. There was like the testing subjects. And then they end up in this in these ranches where they get trained. Shoes get taken off. All the clothing get taken off. There was this Mexican Auschwitz story somewhere in Holesco. This supposed mass grave that was found. And they were citing all these old clothing left there. That clothing wasn't probably from all the bodies. It was probably from kids showing up there and getting all their shit stripped off because they don't want any trackers on anything. Yeah. I think Johnny was talking about that in episode 314. So I think that was right after you guys had gone. Yeah. And it's it's brutal, man. If you want a gun, you have to earn it by killing a few people. If you want to rifle, you have to earn it by killing a few people. And visitors are usually the target practice that you get to practice on. So when you see those posters, though, of all those missing kids, obviously many of them are dead and gone or never going to be seen again. I'll come back to in a second. And then some of them are just they transform. They went there. They transformed. They got recruited. They're never going to be seen again as they were. No, I mean this kid. He's like a 20 year old. Like this kid. Yeah. That eyes are glass. Glass eyes. Yeah. I know that look. Thousand yard stare kind of thing. Hands always trembling. Alcoholism. This kid doesn't have not going to have a liver probably at the time he's 30 probably. And what options does he have except remaining there or continuing on there. And it's this this generational thing now there because a lot a lot of these organizations have been it's a generational thing. My dad was in it. My brother was in it now a minute. And what do we do with our lives now? Which is it's one of the saddest things. about this whole thing. You saw the arrestable mention in Mexico burning and still we went through like the airport where people were planes were getting shot at in Helísco and everywhere he's scrambling, the same airport receiving all these international tourists coming in for the World Cup. And it's like we have to do this. There are pressing issues and matters in Mexico, so soccer game isn't one of them. We're currently in a state where you know the US rhetoric around a ground assault of some sort or actively openly striking somewhere in Mexico has on the table. Like the president said it recently, GD Dan said it as well. It's like a very open thing. Do you think that's rhetoric or actually like they're thinking in their head maybe 20% chance. Before Maduro, I would have said I don't know. I don't know who I was talking about who's left out there that they could go after or explode you know. Yeah deep just got this. This is JD Vance on June 18th few days ago. The US reserves the right to take military action against cartels in Mexico. There it is. Trump said the same thing at the G7. Yeah. So it's in the unison right? So who are they going to go after Archivaldo? His brother the lash remaining sons of old Chapaguzman. There's a few other half brothers and stuff like that out there, but that's not good. Let's say you know you you've sent CLT six after these people and they Tomahawk them or whatever. Okay. That's now crater in the middle of the hills of Xenolua. Next man up. So that's not going to do anything. So they've they've moved their lens towards politics because they've realized that a lot of these organizations can't have a hold or can continue on without direct official conflict, a direct official participation by the government. But how do you add how do you fix that when a it's so widespread b the guys who are paying off the government are also holding a gun to their head when they do it not just to them to their families as well. And again back to point a this is it mass scale. So it's it's like whack-a-mole. How do you actually not even fix it? Let's say put a 60% den into it to make a difference. Well number one is drug consumption and some of the ways they're funding themselves. In the past you would say like cartels are funding themselves with drugs. Now we see that's one of them you know. Another one is illegal immigration. Another one is basically that they've been diversifying their portfolio for decades. So when everybody goes to Chipotle and orders extra guac they're putting money in the in the pockets of a few cartels out there. What about my avocados. That is you're funding the new generation cartel and members of Lafamilia and Micheal Gonshin. But say our fire I know I get it but you're you're funding them. And how is that? Well they tax all the farmers there and they get a cut out of all of that. So that's connect the ways. How can I incentivize them to just do the avocado thing and not like defend nothing. I think the fentanyl thing is being utilized as a rhetoric as well. The fentanyl aspect of this I think it's you know people getting wise to it. There's more things out. Other drugs out there. People are shifting through other drugs and also the ways that fentanyl gets into this country. Yeah some yeah some of it goes through Mexico some of it but most of it probably comes through the mail realistically or most of it comes from Canada. Like a lot of it is coming from other places right now. But the Mexicans are also operating in Canada in all fairness. Yeah some of them but like there's other players in this now. So viewing this as a we need to stop the fentanyl thing is very simplistic to think to say it's not just stop the fentanyl. Yeah that's like a that's one symbol. That's one. You know if we if we had a pie chart right now of all the things it's like you know there's your 10% or 5% or whatever. I'll say this as I was born in Mexico and I got to see the drug or kick off directly. I was there for it. I was there for in the shit. In the shit in one of the biggest shits in my time trying to trying to figure out a very specific city and part of Mexico. And from there to now not a lot has changed. These organizations have gotten bigger. These organizations have politicized and now they're in politics. These organizations used to have like maybe paid off one general in one region or maybe paid off the head of police and the other. But now they have the mayor and now they have the governor. And you know what they have those other positions that you don't think about on the ballot that are really fucking important too. Yeah people that sign you know regulatory shit. You know things get passed like oh there's a hotel being built here in this national reserve. How is that possible? If you protest against it we'll send some people after you in the middle of the night. So that's that's where we are in Mexico realistically. And there is a lot of blame to go around as far as how we got here. But right now independently of the blame on the US side there is a ginormous drug market. An organized crime is definitely here in the US operating. You have the biggest cartel in Mexico being run by an American. An American born national you have. How is that being allowed? That's what I don't understand. You have elements of his elemental family being found to be living comfortably in Riverside, California enjoying their life there. May or may or may not be directly involved but this is the thing. And you have these politicians who are involved in Morena who used to be in other parties that did horrible job at trying to cut this cartel shit. So the rhetoric in Mexico is oh we're not the same government at the past. No you're all you're the same you're exactly the same people. So there's no the conservative party or the leftist party. Not all that shit is rhetoric. It is the political class in Mexico that has been compromised for decades now. And solely but surely they've been infiltrated compromised and they're very much now. Siamese twins in a lot of ways with some of these criminal organizations. And yes, some of them are going away. Some of them are some of these figures are going away. But the US is adamant about it's attacking or figuring out how to cut this fentanyl problem from Mexico. And the eye of it is on politics now. So like it's like we just let's say Juan Carlos Valencia. I'll tell you the new the new generation cartel head gets blown up maybe on the hillside. So although that's going to be an American. So that's going to be I don't know I don't know if the military can blow up a US citizen. I mean they did it in 2011 with that fucking dude in Africa. So if anybody's going to do it again. It's probably going to be yeah. Yeah. This is going to be like that's fine. Constitución. Good damn. Let's let's let's let's he might be blown up somewhere. You have Luchapito still around. You have elements of Los Mayos. Myoflaco around. And none of that's going to like do any damage or do a dental really realistically change anything in Mexico if you blow them up. Right. At least the US foreign policy as I see it they're trying to figure out how to actually create a change in Mexico that allows them to implement whatever they want to implement in Mexico. And for me I think the key thing is a lot of these governors Rubenro Chamoya, Alfonso Razo, Americo Villarreal, Tamolipa, Sonora. These are all Northern Mexico. Which is interesting because that's where most of the industrial plant of Mexico is. Yes, we can talk about resources which you know that blithers the shit on the lithium in the north. We need that. The United States is in a hurry to figure out its industrial plant after China. I think that's what's going on. It's probably preparing for something. Something's coming you know this Iranian war isn't going as well as people thought. I think they just close the strait of war and moves back up. Yeah, don't speak for me. I knew it wasn't going to go well. So everyone else out there listening, but you know at the White House. That's exactly it. But now you have this now you have now you have the US in an interesting tie. And it's specifically the administration in an interesting place. They need a win. They need a win. They need a win. They need a win. So what did what happened with Maduro? They flew in there with some strange Doritos in the sky and made a bunch of people boil from the inside out maybe or something. Yeah. Can you explain this some more? You were telling me to sign off. I don't know. I don't know. It's pure spec, Ed, but I have no idea what your spec is. They probably they probably flew over something that boiled people from the inside out is what I think some sort of like took their bone marrow and basically made something made them really hot from the inside out. And then they just walked in and just took and took them. That's probably something like that probably happened there. We we we we we got a revelation of some sort of weird technology there. All of those Cuban mercenaries were part of his bodyguarding unit all got put into a little boxes and sent back to Cuba. So that's put into little boxes like in pieces. I don't know. Like everybody like they all showed up back in Cuba. There's a video of them getting like pulled out of a plane and they're all in a little box. So if you can find that video, it's probably interesting video. Yeah, do you forget it? Yeah, like why did they decide to cremate all of them mysteriously for transport? I don't know, maybe they don't have refrigerated planes. Yeah, it's less space. I guess. Well, right? Well, you know, the US went in there and took Maduro on the most expensive Uber ride to New York. There they are. Yeah, let's play this. Maduro's bodyguards. Oh, look, they at least they got like the official marching, you know, Wow, those are little ash boxes. Yeah, no, no, no screen looking shit right there too. I don't do. I don't know. Just kicking a little low. He's going to get fired. I don't know what they what what technology they they probably use, but they probably they they unveiled something pretty interesting in that raid. And again, I think about this event. And I think about Mexico. And again, who's who is there that could they took out Maduro? They they took out Maduro when they say took out they took him out of Venezuela and now is the Venezuelan government changed? No, the Venezuelan government is still communist under Delci Rodriguez and they just have to listen to the United States on everything in Ed. I don't know. You tell me correct me from wrong here, but one of the things I feared when this happened is that it would turn into the situation where now it's still a communist government and the Venezuelan people who were very happy maybe a year or two down the line will start to see all these allegopolistic type, you know, green goes coming to town from America and say we got 50% of your oil now and their government's technically still communist, but it's just playing ball with the Americans and they're going to suddenly be like, well, wait a minute. Right, just so this is all oil. What the fuck? Do you see a trending in that direction? It's exactly what we are. Yeah, they're after gold and in oil. There's no there's the gold. Yeah, there's a lot of gold there and yeah, there's reports of them. There's reports of American arm personnel in one other mining regions. A lot of the mining going on in Venezuela is run by these criminal organizations and gangs and stuff like that. They basically extract the gold and then sell it and where I don't remember exactly the region, but it's in Venezuela and there's like the Venezuelan government is going in there and now saying like, hey, yeah, like hey, it's like the US and Venezuela joined forces to target gangs in key mining regions. It's from the Wall Street Journal. Yeah, they're definitely friendly government in Caracas is trying to lure American investment into it's memory. They want that gold. It's gold. Everybody see a level call say yeah. So it's something Venezuela should be that's like a blueprint. A blueprint. And I think the next Venezuela could be Mexico. All right, now that's interesting. I wasn't necessarily expecting you to say that and the reason is one of the ways that they sold the Venezuelan raid was oh, it's a huge drug capital. It's being honest. The solace. Right. And then when you actually looked at the literal like government reports from before they did this raid, it shows like South American drugs and I forget the numbers, but it was like 0.5% or something like that is Venezuela. And yet Mexico is the main problem. Mexico had already been designated a terrorist organization cartel wise. And yet we the mission happened in Venezuela, not Mexico. So my thought was they're dancing around the Mexican issue perhaps because of the reasons you were laying out about the industrial back and forth partnership. It's a bigger Mexico isn't in as well. Venezuela is yeah, heavily fortified, had all those guns and everything like that. All that anti air rushing technology that everybody was very afraid of. You can't get all these kids sent back in body bags. The only body boxes who went to Cuba. No, yeah, I mean, whatever that operation was, you had a handage of them. They did a number on them. But that's that that's not Mexico though. You had Roberto Chamoya when he was when the issue that the him a red notice that they were looking at coming after him. He had the Mexican federal government install the military around him to protect them. And he was held up in his bunker because he was sitting governor in Senelua. So he was hiding in his office basically for a while. And he what do you think he was afraid of? Mexican cop were showing up and laying out his roof and extracting him. That was what they were afraid of. Ever since that, the federal government apparently has taken his security off and he's hiding somewhere in a rural ranch somewhere in the governor. And can he govern? He's on a license and there's somebody else governing for him right now because you can do that in Mexico for a bit. So he's in the hills hiding. So when I say Venezuela, I don't say I'm not when I say that Mexico is probably on the verge of becoming the next Venezuela. Who would be the the who would be the Maduro figure in Mexico that they would go after is my question, right? If you were a betting man at purge back cloud shame mom, very popular. Trump says a lot of good things about her. She's sitting president of Mexico. I don't think it's her. I agree. Was she, is she compromised by cartels? It doesn't seem so. I mean, maybe she has some people around her who are. Right. Maybe the maybe her for campaign was funded in a lot of ways by some of this cartel money, which has always been the case for a lot of these elections for the past a few decades. So that's there's nothing new there. I don't see it. I don't see a Black Hawk helicopter showing up to to Mexico City and like put it putting like with some Doritos in this guy. Yeah. I don't see that. Who else could it be? Let's look around the room. Ruben Rocha moia would be a good candidate. Is he still a little too high to be a candidate? You know what I mean? He's a governor. Okay. Could be him. But who's his best friend? And why is all this attention being put on this in specific person? It's because he's the closest friend and direct link to Andres Manuel Lopez Oroador, the political figurehead of the Morena Party in Mexico. I'm much powered as he still hold now all of it. All of it. If he comes out and says like, Hey, I'm the president now, I could see a political movement in the country to change the constitution to put him back in. I could see that. But Trump likes him, I thought you said. He said good things about him and they did pretty well together. But they they had a lot of arguments about US agents and the DEA working in the United States and Evan Morales for a while who was on the run. Hidden Mexico for a bit. And he spoke highly of Maduro. And so he was definitely on the other side of that spectrum. I think that's where we're headed. In some way, shape, or form the United States, it's probably going to target him next. And what do you think? Let's say they target him. Let's say it's not even doesn't even need to be as fancy of an operation. It was for Maduro. They're not the use of fucking bone marrow microwave weapon or whatever. But the target they go in, they get them, they take them out. What does the aftermath of that look like from a US, Mexico relationship standpoint? The bad. I think it's a shine bomb has to act in some way, right? Either either she separates herself from it and says like, Hey, you know what? The US was right about it. And we're going to do what Venezuela did, which is like, well, I guess he's gone. We're still going to continue on with our project. We're still going to feel like communist and brunch it. But let's cut down all the anti-American talk. I think that could be it. Or this is the other possibility. The Mexican government and more than a fold and they round up all of this list of politicians that are on that red notice. The 11. Well, there's nine now because two of them get the camera. But they round them all up and they put them on a plane. And the US has this moment where they're pulling them out of the helicopter on that bay where Mangione was and Maduro and they're like showing you that this morning. Yeah, yeah, like that's a cool. I got to show you some that was a cool spot. I got I've seen it on TV. You know, Cash Patel is going to be out there in his customer forces with him, right? He's saying he did it. Yeah, yeah, but it just it's imagine this moment. I think that's that's what this administration is looking for. Like a clear pointing victory like, Hey, this car tell a thing that it's went all the way up and all this politics now it's in the politics now. This is a clear victory. Like this is our like all these corrupt Mexican ballotations were handed over by the Mexican government. And now the Mexican government sitting Mexican government federal government behind Klausha and bomb legitimizes itself in the eyes of the United States and like that's all we want it. Thank you. Now we're going to play ball. Allow us to aid you in this cartel war and really create a mass extinction event with these criminal organizations. It's either one or the other, I think, is what might happen. I could see that. I think, you know, and I could think about this all day while you're talking so far. But I think all the, I don't know, I guess you call us like the normies like the people like me who are on the ground there and just have to hear about it and try to get an idea. what's going on too often I'll look at it like oh yeah cartels kills everyone anyone that doesn't agree to be paid off they just you know take out their families and obviously they're brutal organization and all that and then we talk about how intelligence organizations like CIA will infiltrate them and use them as like a vehicle to be able to do all their shit around the world but I don't know and maybe I'm off base here and saying this correct so correct me if I'm wrong I don't know if we look enough at the intelligence aspect of the cartels as well because when they have to go figure out all right we're going to target these people in government or these people in this position of power as opposed to those people over there obviously there's a calculation that happens which is a part of intelligence I think if you say it is but the reason I bring that up is because when you look at a lot of intelligence agencies when they want to infiltrate centers of influence if you will places that they want to have eyes and ears on the ground and know everything that goes on they'll look at it and they'll say okay who's in charge of this place person X all right who's the janitor at this place person Z and what they really look for is person Y who's not at the top and not at the bottom but knows who's coming knows who's going and can do things out of the spotlight away from the camera and be able to take care of business if called upon so when you talk about who the figurehead would be in that they'd go in and take because they're completely under the thumb of the cartel or when you talk about like yeah it seems like shine bomb herself from all appearances is not directly paid off by the cartel I would actually agree with that like I I could see that being true because like you said there's people around her whose names we don't know and you know who get paid a decent government salary and have a lot of access to her and the things she's doing who probably are yeah and that's a very you know not not to like praise the cartels here don't like doing that but from a just like strategic tactic unfortunately that's a kind of brilliant tactic they have there yeah I mean who's really in charge right are the act are the actual cartels in charge in Mexico or or or is it that they are a part of a structure that is in charge of Mexico you have we had a version of the WikiLeaks event in Mexico I think I talked about this the last time the walk of my leaks yes that event led to us finding out that in certain military regions they support one cartel certain other military regions they support another there's a admiral hide a admiral that went to Argentina to try and figure something out out there and now he's being caught and now apparently the Mexican Marines were completely in bed with some of the fuel smuggling arming some of these cartels like are they two things or are they one over overlapping thing across Mexico are they playing both sides against the middle um I think anybody in anybody in Mexico that gets into a high enough position to power realize that it's a mine a gold mine a gold mine yeah Mexico is a gold mine Mexico is a gold mine it has a lot of money in it a lot of things go through it it's right next to the world's superpower so there's a financial game of having any control over it um there's a lot of international interest in Mexico you had Trump coming into office you had the Chinese come into Mexico under on the rest of money I'll piss over there they try to make electric vehicles in Mexico to get around some of the tariffs if but the United States kind of caught on to that so now Mexico is coming out with their Mexican-made electric vehicles which are made with Chinese parts but you know whatever but uh so that's China in Mexico trying to figure things out right you have an openly antagonistical government in Mexico against the United States and against US interests saying on one hand well we're not going to play ball with the US but on the other hand massive uh raids on Chinese products illegally coming into Mexico and being sold oh they've been doing that oh they've been putting the pressure on that they don't want that anymore because you know you have because you know the US doesn't want it so let's let's say we're not playing ball but on the other hand we're going to play some ball right right so are you saying they're taking out some ball at least in places for real yeah I mean China's there Russia is there in some way shape performing Mexico I don't know to the extent that the US is saying they are but they're there's definitely an influence of Russia in Mexico what kind of influence would you say I'd say I mean political influence Mexico is coming out as antagonistic to the United States so the enemy of my enemy as my friend is the old adage and Russia's been in Mexico for years it's like a good spot you know they go back to like what was it Lenin or I mean Castro was trained his his original guerrilla forces in Mexico uh I was in a cafe called Caffet de Cuba where Castro and Che Guevara would like hang out and drink coffee nice so that's that's a history China has China is there obviously some people say that the new generation cartel and some shapes and forms have displayed uh technology capabilities and equipment capabilities that seem to have come from China from from jamming devices to drones to some sophisticated equipment that can take down planes um so that might mean that they're being supplied by by a foreign country who knows there was a time when shitloads of fentanyl was being pumped into that part of the country it from China um China still producing it it's still singing out some of it is being produced it within legitimate pharmaceutical companies across Mexico because there's pharmacies everywhere so there's there's people should do the math as far as where some of these drugs might be coming from but you see the influences from everywhere Mexico is very important and we we as Mexicans don't realize it sometimes that we're well we like to think of ourselves as a little guy but we are very key and strategic and important for the United States future number one or industrial plant on the northern border it's all tea all most of the I think that TV is probably made in Baja maybe yeah so the U.S. is might run out of the ability to store some of those things in China and we don't know where this war is going in Iran and we might be in the beginnings of war footing and we might need to figure out a technology and equipment to fuel some of this stuff and I don't think China's going to be too supportive of a prolonged war there because it's going to kill their ability to get resources we're pretty close to running out of some reserves internationally yeah they were calling early publicly for Iran to stop returning bombs just to the Gulf region and everything that's supposed to be their ally trump said something about four weeks out I think he kept saying four weeks every four weeks yeah as far as the reserves running out oh well not yes that's right and then you're going to see bedlam he said that I don't know I don't think he I don't think he was supposed to say that publicly but a little true serum but we'll see in four weeks I guess because that's straight is still closed in anyway I think the United States is retreating back into its continent it's kind of probably going to get out of NATO you think so I think it's it's on its way so you see you see trump and the US as a whole because this is not about trump this is like the United States interest are looking at them are looking are looking at the continent you know like they're looking at green they're looking at greenland they're looking at Argentina they're looking at how they're apart so the Venezuela had just got maybe q was next you know Mexico and yeah there are cartels in all these regions there are people selling drugs and moving things around and all this but it's specifically the survivability of this country is dependent on its ability to produce and we've lost that here in the United States you would think that it would have been a huge wake-up moment a bigger one at least than it actually turned out to be with COVID when suddenly the whole supply chain got shut down and you had to have this whole basically like a lot of business had huge businesses not the smaller ones they got really fucked but the the bigger ones would have to come in and basically like subsidize creating things here we had never thought about doing and as far as I've been able to tell from the outside it's not like we built bigger systems on top of that once the pandemic died down but that would have been the time to do it yep I think what the U.S. season Mexico is an issue that they can't really depend on it being able to police itself they can't depend on it to guard some of these industrial plans that they might want to build that there was talk about building a Tesla plant in Monterey they got chit-cant they don't see it as a as a place where they can do any of this because they have cartels so let's say you you build your avocado orchard you know let's julienne or his avocado orchard in the middle of michigan that supplies you with uh and you're down there and you're like hey this is my avocado field and you're and then the dude shows up like hey I'm just here hand you a phone you're going to have to pay us a ten thousand dollars every week -Growlucky shelf. -Yeah, too. And then the next day. There's a there's a oxo cooler outside of your oxo is our 7-11. There's an oxo cool And it's it's always one of those cool for some reason. There's an oxo cooler outside of your house and and you're like It's got my dog's head and it's something, you know, and now you're like, ah, maybe this is not a good idea to invest here And then you leave because you're fucking afraid right and all that capital you put into that is now gone It happens in the mining industry in Mexico. There's been a lot of miners killed and like of robberies going on across the mining There's gold mining in Mexico and there's been a lot of high-level robberies and a lot of cartel targeting events around them It's seen a lot of cartels pretty active and some of that shit in certain regions like Sonora So again all of the all of these are being disruptive towards US interests that are not necessarily Tied to drugs the necessitated tight to US economic interests and growth and An industrial plant. Yes, and resources as well. I don't know like people like to talk about gap But the oil in Mexico is there's there's oil there, but there's the US has way more of it, right? But there are a draw Slythium it's land and and also realistically think about it the American dream is no longer in America It's in Mexico Go to Tijuana. They come in here go to Tijuana Go to Tijuana and you'll see all of these Hong Kong level sky rises coming up all over the place because it's filled with Americans That don't want to live in the United States because it's too expensive Interesting and a lot of these people are retiring not to Florida They're going to Mexico Mexico City is full Dolum ruined the ring goes ruined. It's ruined. It sucks. I don't know like are you it's so for people that go down for a one-week vacation stuff Is that a safe place these days? It's safe. I wouldn't go there. You still wouldn't go it's safe It's just they do and it's a rather go somewhere else Muleke go to Muleke go to San Felipe. It's a way better cooler Go to Mitchell in the do like disagree on this Johnny Mitchell's like I go down all the time It's fine. Yeah, it's like I'm never fucking going to Mexico. It's not it's not about the safety aspect of it and also Johnny, you know, he's a former criminal. So he can he can he I've seen him operate he can He can swim. He swims and anywhere he can talk his way around Dude, he's a giant white guy and somehow he always blends it He's a dude. Don't play basketball with that guy. Um, he's nice. He's a good player. Really. Yeah I mean, I don't toss fuck. I didn't take him for a ball or though. Yeah, he's funny, too He is a fine. I broke into his room once in a hotel and you broke it in the room. Yeah, he's like what do you do for a living? It's like I I can I teach people how to get in and out of places and It didn't believe me so I cloned one of his key cards and open his door. That's awesome. You cloned the key card. Yeah, how'd you do that? Yeah, I wish it doesn't give us tricks. It's just a small device that we 3d print somewhere and make and build. Oh, you like in your back pocket Yeah, 3d printer. Yeah. Well, well, we just look at a little device that we so when did the CIA hire you? Is that like 20 did they get you? That's a pretty cool question. A lot of people say that I'm going to see you know that Let us right. What about the say slate trust? Uh, maybe no, no, so they contracted you. None of that. Uh, I was trained by Americans. I was trained by Americans at the beginning of my career. I was I wasn't trained by the US military was trained by the Department of the Navy. Yeah, also not reassuring, you know, and then A lot of the stuff they showed me was specifically related to urban warfare. That's what I learned from the US Could you break that down a little bit if you don't mind? Uh, when I got started in 2004, I didn't know anything about realistically. I went through it in a police academy And I thought I was going to go do community policing and then I got handed an assault rifle and got in the back of a truck with a bunch of special forces guys Communities need rifles too. Yeah, and then they quickly realized we were not equipped to any of that and they went around Trying to figure out training for us The says let us showed up and some some people we did get Israeli training some of us did get Israeli training Israelis came and trained us um Some of us uh were Put on FBI background checks. They got all all of our shit checked out and then we when some of us were bilingual went to uh long uh Where the top gun school is that the naval yard where the top of gun school is in Coronado in in in in San Diego Top gun school. Yeah, I always think of like sealed Sealed training and everything. Yeah, the top gun school is that is right next to the Navy yard And that's where part of our training went on and then they've gone at the real-life top gun school Officially known as the United States Navy strike fighter tactics instructor program That's a long fucking name is located naval air station Fallon in Fallon, Nevada. Oh, no There's one in Coronado. Oh, yeah, it says the program moved from its original location and as Miramar San Diego I used to when I when I was there I used to see these migs these fake migs flying out of there Yeah, like Russian migs flying out of there. It's pretty cool Uh, is that a place like that probably yeah, I don't know. Well, they showed us some shit um, I got I got to meet some cool seals And yes probably some of some of that was probably some sort of orchestration by United States to have an influence in Mexico probably I was never on a payroll. I never got to sign anything. That's what I said that that probably went When that's but that probably went out went on higher like my bosses me. I have no idea You know all I know is that money goes up and shit comes down and I got all the shit. So you're like the cop in the town Yeah, I Well, I didn't I wish I I wish I could tell you I looked the other way mostly, but I did I did 12 years of it and People who are around for it And know who I work with and what we did yeah Uh, I came out of that shit. Fuck it. Correct. Yeah jokes joke it seriously though jokes aside Like you talked about that a lot last time and like what that whole process was because like when we think of I want to say community policing, but like You know high level police forces in America Maybe even like SWAT teams and stuff like that. They're still like a standard idea to it What you guys were doing was you're basically going into minefields where you don't even Know yeah, if the people you're going to talk to who are supposed to be reporting to you from another part of the government Or whatever are working for the fucking cartels or not. It's just like or working for Interest that are way higher than any of us, you know Yeah And again fastened the furious as an example of it, you know If I was a member of the Thresletres, you know Why would I be speaking about some of this shit in such a horrible way Would be because it affected me directly. I lost friends I got to see some of those guns name Children children One of my friends was shot outside of his house. They killed him and his wife and his daughter lost an arm An FF57 FN57 pistol with high velocity rounds was shot at him by these two secarious kids probably 18 19 Um, and those guns were like new in the package. They still had the factory um gel inside of them that they keep those so they don't rust and they Um can be shot at um That affected me, you know, and it does have That's the reason why I do a lot of this shit. Yeah, like if it was me I just I'd focus on my training. I have a small company and I I do pretty well on that Why am I speaking about some of this stuff so openly and why am I predicting some of this shit is coming down the pipeline I've I have a vested interest in both sides, you know, I'm up here now uh I have a lot of friends up here You're one of them and thanks good. I don't I don't I don't want anything to happen to this cool place and and country and all my friends. I want them to do well and I have a daughter who is an American But also I have a whole family in Mexico and I have friends and family down there And I fought for that country tooth and nail and I lost a lot of myself in that war and I'm seeing a continuation of the same shit From 2004 to now and I have to have to say something, you know, and I see a lot of Blaming by the US towards Mexico and blaming by Mexico to the US and nobody wants to take responsibilities for what went on and I think both sides have a lot of fucking sins and skeletons in the closet that Where we are now though, I don't know if it even matters if they get revealed Anthony Fauci basically is now being outed as the one that fucking produced COVID in the laboratory somewhere in fucking China That's out now the head of Intelligence just said that before she fucking said bye So it's crazy. He's pardoned. No, you gotta be out of pardon So dating back to 2014 I believe how many people didn't died because of that So if nothing happens there There was a whole island of stuff happening here and You were telling me earlier and it's scary to hear it, but it's also like Some of it feels very unarguable where you're saying like I Been had told me yeah, I've I've watched a banana republic happen and now I'm looking here and And I'm like, this is how it goes. - This is how it goes. How do you turn a country into a banana republic? You know, institutions get fucked, you know? Cancel the police, fuck the police, they're horrible. You know what, I grew up living a cop. I lived through some of that, you know, a lot of that. So, you know, the sins get bigger and bigger and the outings get larger and larger, but you know, nobody-- - There's no accountability for a certain class of people. - And there's no options. - No options. - Yeah, it's like, what are you gonna vote for in the next elections? - Right, right, yeah. - Like, who are, who are, who are our possible candidates for this next U.S. elections? - Yeah. I was having a conversation with my friend, Will Thompson, runs Rick Philly down and filled off. He does a great job there, but he was like, he's a really smart guy and like big community guy and like focus on what you can, what you can change right in front of you. But naturally, he's thinking about like the bigger picture here of how do we fix like this system that feels right at the top? And I like to be an optimist and I like to say things can be fixed and maybe it just takes a really long time. But once I was like laying out each thing when he would ask me questions about some of the people I talked to and each layer that would need to be corrected to get this back to some semblance of like what the guys in 1776 envisioned this to be. Even I was like, God damn, that's a 50 year project and 47 million things have to go right just to get 50% of the way there. And I do not like to be a downer. I don't love being a cynic, but some of it feels a little far gone. Like how do you get money out of politics? Good luck. Super packs. But exactly, like how do you, how do you take away incentives when the people have to vote on taking away the incentives by the hundreds, by the way, are people who are incentivized to not vote on taking away the incentives? Shout out to my friend Eddie Gallagher speaking about this. But he talked, he made a pretty solid point online. He was talking about this SF guy who was being prosecuted because he made a bet online around the Maduro arrest. And he says like, yeah, that sounds like insider trading, which all of our, like a lot of our politicians do and nobody says anything about that. Like what's, what is this double standard going? Yes. You see that on one hand. On my end, again, banana republic experience, you know. You see, you see members of the military that went through a generational war after 9/11, seeing the exit of Afghanistan. And I was with with some of them as we were seeing some of those planes taking off. They're crying. Yeah, the waste of life. And like, that's very demoralizing not only for the country, but for the youth, who's, I mean, recruitment is not at all down, all time low. A bunch of laws were changed recently about drafts and people are in service about that because that is definitely something in the fore. Like I could see it out there. They're talking what it would be everyone below age, like 29 or something, like 18 to 29. Yeah. I don't know if I'm right about that. So we should check out something like that. Something like that. But a lot of things were like mysteriously, you know, just started shifting. And what's going to happen when that happened when that goes on and we saw elements of this, we with this Iran situation, like the scent from all the way in the top. Like some high-level people said, like, "Hey, I've been here before I know where this goes. Can't be a part of this." And all along that, you have this global war going on, which people don't want to talk about the fact that we're probably in more wars through you already. You think we're already in it? Yeah. Via proxy war kind of deal? Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of friends who were fighting on that Ukrainian front. Oh, you have friends that are a part of that? Yep. We trained a few people that went over there and trained them. And then we started seeing a lot of information coming from there, so as like what they were seeing. Some of the stuff that's going on right now. Some of the latest and greatest augmentations in technology, kind of my specialty right now. And what I do a lot of security consulting around is warfare, specifically non-state actors figuring shit out against bigger opponents. So at the start of this war, I'm like, oh, this is my bread and butter, so I said some of mine structures out there. And we showed them from low means medical management, trench warfare, hand-to-hand stuff. And just like mindset, things. How do you defend a city if you don't have a lot of military equipment, how to create barricades, how some of these cartel forces did their shit in Mexico? That influenced some of that going on over there. And a lot of the drone pilots are pretty big fans of the brand they have. There's a lot of these tattoos on some of those arms. These kids were just smoking vape pens and rooms with these headsets and are just racking up kills. You can't-- The way you say that, too, it's like a fucking-- That's how these drones are changing everything. It's the-- and it's also desensitizing you to war because it's not-- You're seeing-- Yeah, seeing in the camera. Yeah. So Russia, we just saw like a massive assault in Russia. I spoke at a conference about this. What you were talking about, Deep, is that the same thing? I'm not sure you're talking about like the attack that-- Moscow. The attack that you're in, and then they retaliated. Well, well, I spoke at a conference with like the head of cyber warfare for the Army. And I went through this big conference, military conference, and my whole participation there was speaking about non-state actors and how cartels and groups, small groups, are arming themselves with some of these drones. And basically, the world introduced drones into warfare. And now everybody figured out like, oh, it's like a democracy now. All of us can fucking make drones. And I mean, the Iranians are doing a pretty good job holding off the United States with pretty cheap technology with some of these drones. The Ukrainians are utilizing some of that technology against the Russians. And they're back-engineering all these things. And a lot of that technology is coming to Mexico. And a lot of that is now available online. I mean, I learned how to 3D-print a drone and figure out all the release mechanisms on a drone as far as dropping things from a drone. 3D-print? You can 3D-print the body of a drone and just buy the components online and build your own drone. There's other scary things like programming math into a drone and having an AI in it and just having it find a face and all that. I had two of those guys in here this year on those companies. But so I think we're already in that World War 3. And now, what does Mexico have to do with all this? It's a front. It's another front. It's a front from-- it's a front where countries that are not specifically aligned with the US as an interest are trying to set a fire underneath the US's feet. And this is something the US has realized. So it needs to get a hold and a control of Mexico as the thing that I think I've realized about some of the policies and how it's shifting towards Mexico. And if a lot of people think this is a Trump thing, this is a Trump administration thing. This is a US thing. It's across the line thing. They realize that this-- the next front in this probable World War 3 we're already living through isn't going to be-- there might be a line in Europe, but that's going to be for the Europeans to fight. The next war that the United States is probably going to fight is going to be a continental war. And I think we're already in the sorts of it. OK. I see where you're going. Because a little bit ago before this tangent happened, you were talking about the separation from NATO and things like that, and now like a potential at a nod time needing to cozy up with Mexico and almost set off Western hemisphere versus eastern hemisphere in a way. And that sounds like how you're painting the war itself. This is where we are. We're like throwing that out while members being blown up in their house in Ecuador and joint military operations. You're seeing-- It was in joint military operations. Apparently the US blew them up. I think the true social account posted that video of that. And all these boats being blown up in the ocean. Venezuela was the first domino to fall. Cuba is on its way, probably. I think that's happening. I think the US doesn't want to invest a lot into that. So they're going to wait for the people in there to basically give up and make some concessions and do like a Venezuela-type like, hey, we're going to give you this old 90-year-old brother of-- you know, that's I think-- that's he got. Yeah, Castro. And then they're all going to fall in line. And Mexico is probably part of that as well. How so? The people who are governing Mexico and all their interests and a lot of their political legions specifically, the person at that center, under as monelope is over there, is part of the change that they need to clear out of the way so they can do-- the United States can fulfill its international security interest in the continent. They need to control. They need to go back to the things, the way things were. And again, this is not me saying it. This is not a theory. This is not Alex Jones. knowns, talking about whatever, although he was right about a shit, done of things. This is the fact that, you know, the CIA had presidents in Mexico that they were backing and paying for for decades and all of a sudden we have two of them in the past, two administrations. There were clearly not CIA assets. - Meaning of-- - Andres Manuelo-Pes over the door in Klaudeche, Marmar, clearly not CIA, backed or supported assets, or at least not supportive of US interest in the continent. - Or that's what they want you to think. - Or maybe that's what they want us to think and they're doing a pretty good job of hiding it, but and that's kind of their saving race within the US populace. These guys are clearly not US-backed CIA people, so we're gonna support them, is why they're so supported and popular. That's the front that they build for themselves. - But that's also the 500 panel often in the room here in every one of these conversations because on the one hand we're talking about Mexico being declared a terrorist, or did, not Mexico. The cartels in Mexico being declared terrorist organizations and the US can now take all these out of actions because of that we see the literal vice president and president coming out and talking about reserving the right to be able to take action in there when this is a high trading partner and there's a lot of stakes that you've just laid out very beautifully. But at the same time, like the elephant in the room being, we all know that our bureaucracy, meaning the people that are there before presidents and still there after they leave for decades, and maybe not quite a century, but for decades, have been effectively moving the real chess pieces around on the board down there, including the very chess pieces that were claiming the target need to target with bombs now. What I mean, so it's like, it's a catch-22. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I look at it, what is the purpose of some of these motions and movements? And I see a lot of emphasis on the northern part of the country. I see a lot of emphasis in governors that are governing in the areas where there would be strategic resource and industrial things that the United States might be interested in. And who is the person or the people behind all these interests and why they're moving towards that? That's something that is beyond me. It's a high level. We can talk about the six letters, maybe? I don't know. It's interesting for me, again, from the outside, banana republic, shit. In Mexico, there is an ongoing realization of how involved the six letters are in Mexico. So we're referring to Israel. I guess that wasn't painfully obvious. Israel and the side, both six letters. So they've been found out to-- weaponry has been found in Mexico. They are involved in one of the biggest surveillance programs in Mexico and technologies with Pegasus, which was-- it's an older version. I mean, the stuff they have now is completely different, but it's still a technology that they supply. This is basically like, can jailbreak right in anyone's time. That was the old one. This is new, and it's a surveillance apparatus that they are selling, and they have installed in Mexico. They're currently going through a process in Mexico right now where they're-- at the end of this month, if you don't have your biometrics tied to your phone, your phone is going to be cut. Wait, what? At the end of this month in Mexico, if your biometrics aren't installed on-- aren't sent over to the phone company, your phone line's going to be cut. What in the 1980 fucking four is that? Do you tell me? The US goes down to Mexico and says, like, we need access to your biometrics. The president comes up and says, the US does this for us. We declined. But we're going to build a program where we collect all your biometrics anyway, because for our interest. But as of next month, if your biometrics aren't-- and a lot of people aren't going through with it, those are my family's like fuck that. So they're not going to have a phone? Well, they'll have prepaid phones. There's ways of getting around. But it's a shit show. There's a lot of suspicion around that. And again, it's growing. It's growing. It's growing in Mexico. Now, I've heard a lot of these stories. And I think there was a viral clip of me talking about Israeli training the cartels in Mexico that I think I mentioned it on John Ryan or something. What was the context there? The Ariana Phoenix cartel for a while hired Israeli specialists to go to places like where they operated and show them how to effectively do cartel hits. And how to make suppressors for your gun so they don't sound how to adequately train people, how to shoot, how to carry handguns concealed. The head body disposal guy for the Cinaloa cartel in Tijuana, when I was active, the postolero, the stewmaker, in interviews. And I think somebody wrote a book about this, openly said, like he learned this trade craft from people who were trained by the Israelis. So is this like private intelligence companies of ex-guys? And I say that in huge air quotes, like a black cube and stuff like that, or is it actual active special forces guys from Israel coming over? During the kickoff of the drug war, it was a gold rush of security companies from all over the place coming into Mexico selling off their training, their equipment, their whatever. And the biggest ones of them all were, all of them were former IDF Israeli people coming in there selling bomb detection technology. A lot of it, some had bullshit equipment. Like they had these people that take water with them, these rods that they cross. What are dousing rods, I think they're called? - I have no idea. - Dousing rods, I think they're what they're called, but like people can look this up. Bullshit technology sold to Mexicans to detect weaponry, like these dousing rods, that there were, I think there was really, I don't remember, but it's this. - Is that like, same fucking Anthony holding none of those? - I'll see if I can find El Sanitia, but it's a, this technology was sold, supposedly like, it looks like dousing rods, you would walk and they would detect where people were hiding guns. - I think that's total bullshit. - Exactly. And a lot of it, like dude, people made millions with this shit in Mexico because they, with all war, profit comes. And with all desperation, Philippe Calderon, I worked under his administration, part of my curation. - No relation to Philippe Calderon. But I remember wearing that, Philippe Calderon badge, I'm like, oh, he's just, he's just, he's just. Philippe Calderon kicked off this drug war and I don't think he was really ready for what happened and I'm still questioning why he decided to do what he did. - What makes you think he wasn't ready? It's just a total disaster right after? - Yeah, the bodies, the stack of bodies and the Mexico being on fire. Right now, Morena, like Morena's main talking point is like, this is not the time of Philippe Calderon where all these corrupt politicians were in play. Like Luna, who was his head of public safety, is the top cop in Mexico, who was decorated by the FBI, all the, all of the, all of these fucking prizes and stuff like that for being this fucking amazing cop and now he's in federal prison up here for being a cartel operative. Morena used to say like, well, Calderon had that guy, but now Morena has like 11 politicians on a list with the same issues. So like we're chasing our tail now. - That's what I'm saying. It just feels like a- - It's a cyclical thing. It's a cyclical thing. And I've set this before many times. Mexico has an issue with amnesia every six years. President comes in, everything gets, all this was bad, we're gonna do this new thing now. As she tend to money comes from the outside paying for technology, equipment, training, uniforms, vehicles. You wonder why cops in Mexico always drive around in those big trucks. And why, why is that? Why would you, where else in the world have you seen the federal police drive around in trucks with people in the back sitting down in those little benches exposed? You think it might have something to do with some motor companies having a big giant deal with the Mexican government to sell the vehicles? That's probably it. If you kinda do the math on it. So there's a lot of money in the war continuing. The Mexican military was put on the streets by Felipe Calderon. And I remember him saying that, well, they're gonna be out there for a while. Meanwhile, our police is gonna be professionalized. We're gonna get our hold of this federal police and all that. Well, the military is still out. And we've just seen the levels of corruption that they've engaged in. Some of the biggest money highest in Mexico. I mean, talk about, people talk about "Oh, my, oh, and old Chapa Guzman." This fuel theft that went on for the administration. - Keep being right. Let's go like into the actual nitty gritty of it. You said earlier, there's a lot of-- like sea routes and stuff that this has been going on with, obviously it's happening with the United States, like that's where a lot of it's coming from, but like what's the full picture here and what kind of scale from a monetary standpoint are we talking about? - Billions. Billions. - Billions. And this is relatively new, meaning like the last decade. - This is relatively new because people were installed that were willing to like go this way. And again, this is like more in a administration, I'm a administration people that we see. That's who's involved. That's at least who we've seen involved at the top. This guy who was on a run that went to Argentina, that he came from that, that I'm just going to a little bit of the administration. The military was given this ginormous power in Mexico to fight the cartels. And now we've realized that in a lot of ways, they became their own cartel. And we talk about the ZAs. Now it's a small version of probably what they're now. - Right. - So where are we going with all of this? Mexico and Mexican citizenship is afraid of a U.S. invasion. Like it is afraid. You'll see people supporting it on the right side of the political spectrum. And they're like, the day is, as a Mexican politician, she speaks openly about this. - She's on a U.S. invasion? - They want U.S. participation to come in. They want them to arrest all these corrupt politicians because they're on the losing side of the politics in Mexico. So they're about to try this late, this governor, governor Senkowila of, and not Nakowila. - Not the moment we pulled up earlier. - Yeah, yeah. They want to try her for treason. So it's infighting. What are they trying to figure out? I mean, it's-- - Oh, you know what I forgot to ask on that? This was back when we pulled this up towards the beginning of the podcast. But if that lady did in fact know and dealt with people within underneath her as they're alleging that ended up being CIA, like let's say, you know, you're that person that walks in the office and says, "Hey, lady, by the way, I worked for CIA." - To Wawa, sorry. - What could she have even done about it? - Reported it, maybe? - Yeah, like before she reports it, she probably did. - Probably. It was like, "Hey, there's like CIA. He's working here dismantling drug labs with my state police." Like, who do I talk to? I mean, the federal police may be the state federal prosecutor, but she is on the opposite side of the political spectrum. So that's like, Newsym going to Trump or something going on in her home state. - Well, you talk about Banana Republic shit. That's something we didn't say either. The law fair of the last decade that's going on across the parties here. This is the shit you see in all these other countries with more failed-ish type governments and stuff where they do political retribution using the courts in prison. And it's like, to be clear, I don't ever like the idea someone being above the law or something like that. But the precedent of going after people, you need to have a high, I'm gonna win a term here, but like burden of need of action to do it. Meaning like, listen, I don't like James Comey a little bit, but some seashells on the beach, that's below the line. Like he's an asshole, but the precedent's worse, I think. And this, you know, you're seeing this is an example, maybe this lady is totally on the take and is actually a traitor and was like excited. The CIA was working in which case, like that's really bad. But other examples, it's like, you know. - There's a lot of that right now. Again, on the right of the political spectrum in Mexico, which is the losing side, the party that called it on originally was a part of their shouting for intervention. They're shouting for the US to come in and save the day. And that's like another side of the army and down there. Are they right? I wouldn't go about fucking asking them in like that because of the history that some of this things have and sovereignty is the thing. Although apparently Mexico hasn't been a sovereign nation for decades, although it wants to think of itself, except for the past two administrations. I think that's when it has exerted sovereignty with on dress monolipus over there. And we cloud a shame on it. At least they're expressing some sovereignty and we can be pretty sure that they weren't on the CIA take because now they're being attacked by US interests. - So are you defining sovereignty as the ability to. - Covering yourselves and make your own decisions as a country? - Yeah, but not say that you're on the payroll or actively in discussions with another country's, I don't know, intelligence apparatus as a country should take. - Specifically with the United States. Because that's what all these populist governments across Latin America have happened. They start not supporting the United States and they become really popular because some people realize that the United States might not be in their best interest or have a long history of them not supporting the right people and the right policies except the policies that benefit the United States itself and that leaves many marginalized communities and people out there in the wind. - But also look at the timing too. I was thinking about this earlier. You said, "Obrador," that's how you say his name? - Yeah, "Obrador." - He became president in 2018, which means he's like running and rising to power, I guess, in like 2017 campaigning. Just look around the world. Start post-global financial crisis. Here we have tea party and occupy, right? Right and left, but they're both populist. And then you look over in Europe where there's all kinds of migration issues and arguments over that. You see a massive rise of populism that even has like Brexit happen. And then all these other governments like the Marine Le Penz get a big following. Obviously she's losing elections in France, but like the fact that someone like that with some of the things she says getting that big of percentage of the population, something's happening there. And then you look all across South America. And there's the rise of that populism in this case, more left-leaning or whatever, but point being like, regardless of what's left and right around the world, the movement of like the people being separated from an ever shrinking size but increasing amount of money, elite class, wherever it is in the world, and how whatever form it takes, whether it's a, you know, to quote Omar from the wire, I got a shotgun, you got a briefcase. So whether it's a cartel or fucking Bill Gates running a company with billions of dollars, like that class structure separation and the political blowback or like burgeoning pipe bomb that's forming from that and the form of populism, I still don't think we've even seen a slight amount of the dynamite explosion there that could be happening in the future. - But all these people that came up and were from that wave, the Evo Morales, the Andres Manuel López Obrador, the Maduros, you know, the people in Cuba, you know, they're all on the chopping block. - The communist ones? - Well, again, like communists, socialist. I mean, can we say that the Cubans, the Cuban government is that? It's a giant corporation, fucking with, their kids are living in the U.S. - Right. - A lot of them were living in the U.S. but they're in charge, but they were working, they were working and have been supported by the people that because they are openly saying like, we're against the American divin. - Right, right. - But realistically, they're like it. - But you can make the same argument with like Soviet leadership and saying the same kind of thing. - Yeah. - Right. And it's not to say like America, it's like, you know, fucking say anything like that. It's not the argument. I'm just saying like, what do the Pete, what is the average rank and file person in a country like that? Have his quality of life? - Yeah. - That's an interesting thing you say about America's not a saint. It is, it is not. It is, it isn't a saint. There's name of country out there that is though. - There isn't one. - Well, so nobody's like one of the best pieces of advice my mom ever gave me and it's changed my life. Nobody's against you there for themselves. - Yes. - You learn that and you live a easier life. - That's a bar. The United States is for itself. And we, you and me and everybody here, is a part of that in one way shape or form. And what is going on right now is a challenge of that. Is United States in the decline? I've seen the U.S. in the 80s and the 90s as a visitor. And now in the 2000s as a citizen here. And I could tell you, yeah. - I know it is, I agree. - I see it. Now, what does that mean? Should we go off to war again? And I said we, like, what is the response of that? Like how do we get out of that decline? Well, I think people in power at the high, at high levels are saying like we're scrambling to try and figure out how to maintain that. And I think it's clear that, yeah, the United States and the decline in a lot of ways, but it still has a pretty insane military that is-- - We do. - But it still probably lost a war with the Iranians though. - Yeah, then-- - Military power. - Look at all the wars we've lost. It's not because we lack the military talent or resources. It's also not because we lack the talent of the planners in the military. It's because we have fucking interests here and people here in back rooms who haven't even seen a fucking Call of Duty battlefield, who decide to make decisions that make absolutely no sense [BLANK_AUDIO] but our guys in the worst possible scenario or just straight up, you know, lift up and pull out of Afghanistan and leave all the fucking weapons behind just to not only take an L but make the L six times bigger. It's fucked, man. - Yeah, so this conversation about Mexico is about survival. And like independently of what the United States and the rhetoric isn't around the government, be it narcoterrorism, be it fentanyl, be it organized crime, the human smuggling and all of this, all of this. Realistically, the efforts put forth by the United States and the continent, I think are about survival. The world is global, globalism is sending. Like the US patrol, yeah. The US patrolling the oceans and like guaranteeing the straight-up for booze and guaranteeing safety, like sending its millet, that shit is going away, I think. But it won't be felt that sucking sound won't have someone else fill the role you don't think. You think it'll just be a series of isolationist ideas where everyone goes back to policing themselves? - Well, we're going back to like theory and I don't know, for me, China is not gonna be it. No way. They never fought a war outside of their continent. You know, Taiwan is right there and they're kind of figuring that out. They have two like aircraft carriers. Yeah, they can build a lot of ships and a lot of fucking weird sand islands and shit like that. But so what? Their population is declining. There's a giant cities that are empty. Yeah, they have a lot of capabilities and shit like that. But I don't see them being the world police. I think they're more about themselves. Who else is out there? Russia? - Look at the GDP perspective. Russia's not even, it's not to say they don't do things that you're not like, all right, that's not great. But like from a GDP perspective, they're similar to the size of Italy, which means they're not on the map when it comes to China and the U.S. - So it's not in Russia? The Germans? - How about India, two billion people? - No, no, not them. - No. - Not them. They'll try, probably, but not them. Yeah, like who's there? You know, who is there? Who's behind the Ukrainians, you know? Who's in Europe? - Yeah, the Germans. The Germans are arming up again. Like everybody's fucking getting back into a war footing. - That's nice. - And we have a state actor in the form of the six letters in the middle of the Middle East, like picking battles. - Yeah, just pissing everybody off. - So there's no world police coming. Like I think that those days are over. I think this was the last four way into that as far as like, you think there's gonna be another US intervention in Iran, some sort like this, or like maybe some sort of intervention somewhere out there. I think the US has done with that type of stuff for now. - I hope so. - I think it's gonna focus on its own continent though. - You really believe that, even though-- - It's already happening. It's already happening. - From this week. - I mean, we're already seeing Venezuela, where Q was probably on the line. All we needed to do was get rid of this background noise, which is Iran, and I think we're gonna see some fireworks. - But if you retreat too much, right? And you retreat into your own continent, you still have the issue of like the fact that so much of global financial trade has been settled in the dollar, which despite all the fucking damage we've done to our own dollars. - You're still there. - It's pretty money and shit like that. - That's still it. - It's still the king at the moment. But if you do pull out and go from, and again, I'm obviously the hardest thing from an interventionalist, but if you go full-blown isolation, it's just from like a global stage of like participation, whether that mean leaving NATO, leaving some certain trade partnerships and things like that, you could risk long-term, you know, losing the spot of the dollar's top currency, which you and me don't know a world. - No. - Where that's the case. - No, I've never lived in a world where that is, and that the dollar isn't at the center, but we might be moving towards that though. - But then America's not America. - It still has a military that can blow up most of the other military. - The military's backed by the US dollar though. - It's backed by other things. I don't know about the dollar. I think it's backed by the US's ability to control resources, the US's ability to control what goes where, specifically, the US is in a very strategic place. I mean, it's a pretty good thing to be in the place where the other solutions, yeah. But if you can't, to control resources though, you need to control the money, or am I thinking about that too simply? - I think you're thinking about it too simply. You need to control who controls, and I think that's what we're seeing here on this list. - Yeah, you only have the page two in your notebook here. What's in the other fucking 600 pages? - A bunch of things from my group therapy sessions. - Okay. But I think we're probably, I think that's what we're probably heading, where the US retracts into this continent. It figures out resources here. It regroups. It figures out a new China in Mexico because that's the next China. Mexico. - The next China in Mexico. - The only issue with Mexico being the next China is its lack of ability to process resources. It doesn't have that realistically. China does. It makes its own shit, and it makes its own aluminum and titate all of it. Well, that shit, it just figures it out. We don't have that in Mexico, and I think, but how could you create that in Mexico? Well, first you have to stabilize it. And who's in the way of that? It's criminal organizations. Unless you work with them. Or you work with one of them to disrupt all of them, and then eventually make your way to the government, which is supporting some of them, and now you have your own government there, and now the cartels are gone. So are you saying it's in a lower that they would choose as the horse there? - It's where all, it's where- - Still TBD. - It's where it all started with the abduction of El Mayo Sambana, and it's probably worth an end if they hand over the governor of Sina Loa. And hopefully that's where it ends, or else they're gonna have to go after our Maduro, our figurehead. - I'm gonna come back to the El Metro thing, 'cause there's still a lot there that we got off, but the El Mayo thing, 'cause you and I talked about this last time, it was about at the time, I think maybe seven, eight months after it had happened when we talked in March, 2025, but has there been, have you seen any more information or picked up on any more information surrounding that since then that makes you, I don't know, change your opinion on what that was. You touched on it earlier that there's some sort of intelligence involvement for sure and also involvement of like, a tit for tat with El Chapo's kids, but is there anything else we're missing there that we should be looking at? - The extradition of El Ratón, the first brother of the Chapo Guzman said, was responsible for the Kulekhanaso being arrested and finally captured by the Mexican government, extradite to the United States, and then probably some sort of deal being done with the United States that shielded most of his family members who were then secretly flown to Tijuana then crossed into the United States and given protective custody. - Why did they have to be, where were they flown to Tijuana from? - From Tuna Loa or from Guatemala where they were hiding. They were hiding somewhere. Their problem now is Tuna Loa, most of them went to Hyden, Juan, La Jolla, and Mexico City, I think. I'm not sure where they were flying from, but they went to Tijuana and they were crossed in, with all their suitcases. My suitcases, it was whole spectacle. There's some pictures of them online, but there seemed to have reached the deal there, right? And the deal was, hey, immunity, protective custody, and will help you figure out how to do what, if you would say, eliminate the Sinalon Cartel? No, a bunch of indictments for politicians came out of that. - Mm-hmm. - So I think they're key there. Sinaloa is key and the Chapitas are key there. Now, the remaining brothers out there are Chivaldo, and I don't remember the other guy's name. The remaining brothers out there are being rumored to have been trying to negotiate their own surrender and deals with the United States. They're on the run. They're being dismantled by the Mexican government. You know, that's whose target and target them specifically. And we just had the Harfush, which is the head of the new police force in Mexico, come out and say that the alliance between the new generation cartel and the Chapitas is over because a lot of the people were in charge of that, including El Mencho or dead, so that's gone. So you can see that the Mexican government is targeting the Chapitas specifically. Are they aware maybe that they're being utilized by the U.S. and the U.S. interest as a proxy? - Meaning like the soldiers on the ground. - Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting that that's who's getting decimated. - Do you have sources in there, like any good sources? Obviously, you're not gonna say who they are, but I'm saying like, do you have, in the last two years, have you had a chance to speak with someone that's at least in some position to know something? I'm not saying like a top guy, but, you know. - Yeah, yeah, I hear things around them. And they're, yeah, they're on the run, they're on the run, they're on the They're on the backline. Listen in the wind. Yeah, they're on their run. They're on their backlegs. His head of security was grabbed. A bunch of family members were grabbed. I think they almost caught them last year. I'm talking about Archival though the head of this little chapitos. They're on their run. And like again, okay, so they're on the run because those mayos, the family of Ilmayo, some bother after them for vengeance. Clearly they have. They're motivated. Then the Mexican military is targeting mostly them specifically, although some of this targeting has happened to those mayos. And you see this airport bombing of these two individuals and one of them is cartel aligned and his legions is with the mayos. And if this was a CIA operation, when they'd target a mayo guy, not a scene in a local guy. So it's a, I don't know. It's like you start seeing all these lines. I don't know. It seems like there's the Mexican government is supporting one side of this organization. And the US side might be making deals and some sort of effort to disrupt and to manifest its interest within Mexico through. Some of these organizations. Do you see any scenario where like the all mayos faction and the chapitos faction. Recongregate at some point. That's totally ship is sailed right. There's no way as they did the worst of the sense. The worst of the sense collaboration is the worst of the sense amongst them. I don't see that happening. I do see them coming out as a survivor. I see the mayos being pretty in a pretty strategic place where they could probably weather this out and get smaller and maybe fragment into smaller regional groups that don't really deal in the whole transnational thing anymore. So what would that. So what would their business look like just like the Gamora the talent Gamora like some like some like a mafia like a localized crime element. That's what most of these organizations are probably going to turn into growers and local smugglers to take it to somewhere bigger and then hand it off. Yeah. Interesting. The whole the whole head of the cartel guy and all this openly moving around with trucks and that's I think that's that's on its way out. Yeah, so you use this phrase earlier. We're going through a mass extinction event. Yeah, with cartels in general with cartel heads and people who are very public and nor with a lot of notoriety for being cartel head. What you're seeing ending and all the and and maybe there's some shadowy figures out there who are heads of giant cartels. They don't see but all of them are being outed and targeted. So it's you don't think the styles could change because like that by the way, that's what made Ohio so effective for so long because he was so quiet. He was known from the old days, but I think the child the styles already changed. That's why you have an American as the head of the scene of the head of the new generation cartel or at least that's what they want you to think or at least that's what they want you to think. Although they've caught some of them up here and I think again, like a lot of the rhetoric out there is like Mexico, build the wall, keep that shit down there. Don't bring it up here, but it's been up here growing. I mean, it's quieter. They're not as overt up here, but it's here. Yeah, because that like I, you know, I'm picturing the imagery in my head and when I think mass extinction event, I think exactly what it is, which is that I'm just going to throw round numbers out. Let's say you got, you know, 10 million people operating as active people in the cartel across the cartels, the different factions and groups across Mexico, you know, suddenly that goes down to 500,000 10 years from now, that would be like an extinction level event to me. I haven't heard like scenarios where that's realistic and even in here and you talk today, the way everything is is that people, young kids are being recruited and that's what it is. But you're looking at it from if there's no more major, I don't know, figure head cult leader. Yeah, if you will, just not having that as like a propaganda tool is a mass extinction event in and of itself, I don't understand how it's not having the figure heads being supported by politics, local federal government. There's, there's a pushback against that now so they can't have that support. So they are going to have to hide a bit more. Again, Durango is a pretty good example of this. They're hiding in the fucking mountains right now. Durango, Durango, there's a giant military operation right now, but it's Torbora, man, it's high sea. It's a golden triangle. It is. What's going on there? Can you explain that? It's a massive military operation around the area and they're blocking roads to try and cut out cut off resources that feed these cartels. To which cartels? The remnants of the scene of the long cartel that are hiding out there, but they go in through mines and there's caves and. Can we pull this up on a map? This is like Torbora, you said? I actually posted a video on my Instagram account and it's like an aerial view of this place so you can see it. I think that's probably going to be what's going to be in the news in the next few months as far as like. Yeah, everyone go follow and down below, we'll put the link to his Instagram account. That's an aerial view of some of the golden triangle. Whoa! Oh, this is like. No, this is like literally like Torbora. Yeah, there's been like a lot of flooding. And so this is cartel people living in these? You'll see some of the cave systems in a bit. I didn't. Cave systems? Look, here's one of them. I mean, that's how they. Where are they hiding their cars? Oh, they've put them in mines yet. Holy shit! Yeah, that's. Who are the construction companies to get these fucking contracts? I mean, they're probably old mines that they just realized and Mexico. Mexican Army doesn't have a mountain division, so we just have special forces and they basically get sent to for everything. Those guys just by seeing their equipment are not equipped to go in there, but they're. That's who's getting. It's gonna head in there. I think that's gonna be the next open front in Mexico. That some of these rural mountains. What's up with this tonight? They've opened front. They're surrounding it right now? They're not going in there because they know it's. I mean, people who are in the military and people who went through Afghanistan can tell you more than I can about that type of warfare. It's not an easy place. Specifically, since they've been lived there, grew up there, know all the towns, know all the places, know all the holes. Ambushes are gonna be everywhere. And eyes in the sky are not gonna do you any good in that place. So, I'm not saying they're. I'm stoppable or undefeatable, but it's not gonna be an easy battle. That's the thing, though, it's like. When you look at the history over the last four or five decades of cartels, they always find a way to adjust. They've always found a way to get literally more powerful. They adapt. They adapt. At the beginning of my career, they would dress like federal agents and move around in big trucks in the middle of the city in Tijuana. And then they got freaked out by the fact that we started utilizing going to guerrilla tactics against them. So, they shifted to taxi cabs and lower profile vehicles. They basically just shifted and all of a sudden they were harder to find. So, yeah, it's like a hammer trying to get a fly. They're always shifting. But I think right now what we're seeing is that whatever that classic cartel organization that you grew up with watching "Harkos Mexico" or just seeing some of the scene the lowest stuff in El Chapo Guzman, Meeting Sean Penn and Enquete Alcastillo and a mountains and all that. I think that's what's going away. I think a lot of this stuff is going to evolve into smaller, fractionalized groups that are controlling their areas. This is an example of it. They're pretty cut off right now. But they have stockpile weapons there. They can hold out there for, I don't know, how long? How many men do you think a faction like that in the mountains has? Ball part. Tens of thousands. But that's like a special action. You think all of them are going to have a gun? Some of them are going to be women. Some of them are going to be transported related. Some of them are going to be municipal police officers or state police officers that are on the take. Still a huge tribe. A ginormous tribe. And that's the issue. You think these men and women, and again, God bless them. I know many members of the Mexican special operations. Some of the best war fighters in the world because they get a lot of experience. They don't get the praise that they deserve. They're amazing people. Some of them. Sadly, they are in a war against themselves, which is one of the worst wars to be at. A war against themselves. When I speak to some of my friends in my therapy group, some of them went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. And they fought people that didn't speak their same language and didn't have their same faith. And then they came home. These guys are fighting in their own country, shooting at people that speak their same language, that pray to the same Catholic, at the same Catholic church that they do. The damage that's being done internally and generationally, there is pretty wild. But they're not the heroes in that story when they arrive there. Yeah, some of the citizenship is going to be pretty happy about the fact that some of these cartel guys are going to be like laying low and not robbing people, not extorting people. Yeah. There's a lot of that, but also some of these cartel members have their families there and the extortion money goes to them and some of the schools and so there are enemies there. And that's another factor of this war that a lot of people just don't realize. Some of these large cartels and some of these communities are funded and fed by these cartels. So when the army comes in there and disrupts that, they become the enemy and they inspire a lot of these kids to go into the same line of work. Yes. So again, as you said, this is a cycle. Yes. And I think at least what I see now with the current administration and what it's doing, the cycle hat is going to end though. It for the reasons behind it might not be the best ones. The way it's being done, the interventionism in another country might not be the most ethical thing ever, but you have to realize that change is happening. A guy who was untouchable a few years back got murked by this Mexican special operations after they landed in his backyard. And he had a leisure just like this one where he had this amount of thousand for the federal police to watch my back. This amount of thousand for the military to watch my back. So you have to hand it to whoever was in charge of this operation. Despite all that, they went in there and they put a bullet in his head. Now, we never saw the body. We have a like there's a there's like an Asama bin Laden element to this story of a little mention. God damn it. You know, and I have to have to say, what else? I just had Rob sitting right there. The guy shot him. Shout out Rob. It's a cool guy. I follow him online. Funny. Funny dude. That's how you can tell. I do believe he shot him too. I know people like argued about that. I believe him. We never saw a mental body. Right. Is one thing that you know, and there was a whole thing around his body. Then there was a giant funeral for him, which I think the roses were like you can get them in the area because they covered his. Yeah, you're saying it was like a month without roses in the area. It's insane. It's just it's just every day they would just cover his grave. Propaganda is important. But you would say like, Hey, you just you just killed bin Laden of Mexico. Right. And then all of his cartel family that has warrants showed up to the funeral and nobody did anything. So is anything really changed? That's what I'm saying. That whole thing was fishy. Just real quick before I go to that because I don't want to lose this point, but then we'll come right back to that because that's really important. I've had that question hold up all day. But when you're with the mass extinction event, not that you've explained it, I don't know if I'm misreading this in my head, but what it feels like to me based on that whole idea that you're like, okay, now long term without the figureheads is going to boil down into just a bunch of factions and more tribes. It feels less like mass extinction and more like trust-busting. Yeah. Right. So like think standard oil. And then it turned into all these different oil companies that actually grew in power over time. There's just more of them. Yeah. Yeah. That's one. Also, a lot of them are just going to go into legitimate businesses of various kinds. You know, marijuana legalization in Mexico was in a process that has been taken years. Vapes are federally illegal in Mexico. They're federally illegal. Yeah. Interesting. So everybody pays that business. So there's already kind of the settings of some of the drug trade being legalized and then some of these people just going into legitimate business. You know, the mafia got disappeared here because they went into construction and into politics. That's right. They did a nice job and looks good. And in Mexico, that's the same thing. They went into tequila. They went into politics. But is that just having a longer money because they still do all the other shit? I think they're always going to do the other shit. They're just not going to do it at the volume that they have. And they're just not going to be their own government as they have been. Got it. Again, we in the past, you would see a little mancho in Halesco and you and you, the government would be like, the government was afraid to go after. Right. Because he was governing there. And if they don't believe that, once they killed them, most a lot of Mexico burned because they told their soldiers that governing these areas to go and burn shit. So you have that level, I think, is going away. Right. That's what's going away. The amount of firearms and bullets and everything like that coming into the country, unless the United States is ready to do a naval blockade of everything coming in and out of Mexico, that's probably not going to go away as well. Unless the United States decides to change, it's gun rights and people want to sacrifice that somehow and get rid of all the millions of guns. So this shit is going to still go on. And also, technology is going to change. Like it's already as it already is, CNC machines can manufacture an AR-15 in a room somewhere. A lot of the rifles that are being found in some of these cartel hands, 3D printed or made. Like some of them are now going that route. They're holding off whole military battalions by dropping bomblets on them from, you know, drones. So it's modifying itself. Yeah, shifting. I think where we're headed is the whole classic El Chapo, El Menjo, El Mayo figureheads governing a whole region and just leading through fear. That's this. It's fading away. It's like a Thanos snap. Are they going away? It's criminality and violence in Mexico going away. Fuck, no. But that is leading through fear the way I understand it. I mean, it's it's turning a giant criminal organization. They were governed a region and it would blow up helicopters. And this guy, they tried to arrest them. It's turning them into smaller groups that are harder to see that are more infiltrator and more intertwined into everyday life. It's them getting into legitimate businesses is then getting into other types of things that might not draw the attention of a US government. But again, I don't think this is about drugs and cartels. I think this is about regime change. That's what this is. A regime change. Yeah. The United States wants to put people in power in Mexico that it can go back to the way things work in the 70s and 80s. And that could include people that are now doubling this legitimate businessmen who used to be. Could be. I mean, they did put a guy in charge used to run Al Qaeda in Syria. So I guess it's not out of the possibility. And they invited him to talk about that. Yeah. It's like basketball. Talk about surreal shit. Yeah. He seems like a nice guy. Seems like you know, likable likable likable terrorist. Like a cool watch. I say that. Don't you guys just smiling and people cool watch. Like I'll respect to that. I don't know. I've I've met people like that. I guess in my own way in a different part of the world. And I know you know, who is going to like that's a great question. Like if they do a Venezuela in Mexico, which I think that's where we're going probably, it doesn't make sense to take out Claudia where she is. And again, she I don't think she's targeted. I think it's going to be more about changing the whole more than a movement and shifting it to something that is more aligned with the US interest. That's right. And I don't see them putting in a strong man in there. There's one name that sounds a lot as far as the next presidential election in Mexico. Who's that? Omar García Harfush. Omar García Harfush. Yeah. It's a hard name. Omar García Harfush. Sounds like a fucking terrorist from 24. He came out of the, uh, that's him. He seems to be doing an amazing job. Um, Secretary of security and citizen protection of Mexico. He's doing an amazing job. He's doing a pretty good job. Citizen protection. Well, he's taken down a lot of high-level cartel guys. Okay. He's doing, he's in charge of those swarm operations going after local governments and arresting municipal police officers and municipal, uh, governors. He, the, the, the, the, the four, the square, the four letters, the new generation cartel tried to assassinate him at one point in Mexico City when he was in charge of security in Mexico City proper. He is, uh, at the head of all, uh, federal operations right now in Mexico, apparently, intelligence wise. And he is the strongman of Mexico. People call him Batman and Batman. Yeah. And ladies swoon over this guy. I mean, he's a good looking dude. He's a good looking dude. And there's like, uh, and I think he, I think he's on his way to being the next president of Mexico. And I think he fits what the United States would like. Well, how would you describe his act, his personal politics? Like, can you put him in a box there? No, he's a, he's a career, he's a, he's a career cop. Like, he made his, his name in the federal police. He went through some of the same training that I went through. He had family members in politics and he was, he had influential family. That's who's been basically, that's who probably got him into some of the positions that he's had. he was named as somebody involved in the disappearances of those students, those normalista students way back. But I don't think he had any direct participation in it. He was just in the room with some of the people that were, were, he's a key figure. He's a strong guy. - Is your age too? Do you know guys who know him? - Yes, I do. - Yeah, what do they say about him? - They trust him with their lives. - Really? - Yep. - That's a good sign. It's, again, I think that's what we need in Mexico right now. You wanna talk about true change. How do you change Mexico from within? Well, you get a career guy like that guy who's actually seen everything from the inside. You get somebody that's actually been involved in successful policing operations and operations related to public safety who has actually changed things in Mexico. That guy's changing shit. - All right, not to be a cynic, but how does a guy like that not get killed on the way to getting office but people who don't want him or once he actually gets to office, not get completely undermined by other people around him who are not operating on the same team. - There's no way. And yeah, he has a giant target on his back. - Right. - Isn't, yeah, I agree with you. How does he do it? - I have no idea. Right now, he is in a very hard spot because he is basically next to the president of Mexico and he is a man who has to tow the line as far as the political rhetoric and everything that's happening. - Tow the line? - Yeah. - Like with what she, okay, got it. - And, but I've heard some of my American friends who have actually interacted with him say he's like, they like him, you're in the US. - The Americans like some of your Navy SEAL guys are. - Some of the people that I talk to like him and that who are involved in decision making like him. - Last trace, let's trust. - No, not last trace, let's trust. But some people who are involved in politics and in decision making like him, I don't know. I think that, I think he's probably in the running. There's no other name out there sounding as far as the next president of Mexico. And we're still off of ways off of elections, but keep an eye on this. If he gets put into the cabinet position of Secretariat de Gobernación, which is basically our vice presidency. - Oh wow. - If he gets placed there, he's in the running. - Yeah, 'cause he's neck and neck. - He's the neck and neck. That's my predictions. That's one of my predictions, I guess. I'll pull it out there. - You heard a lot of good predictions over the years. - If you run the tape like on your old Rogan podcast in like 2018, 2019, I think it was 2019, where you did both of those. - Yeah. - And then you were on again last year. But like, other shit you said was strangely tracking. - Yeah, August, I said on that Rogan show, I said somewhere in the Hills of Felizco, some shit's gonna go down. I thought the Americas were gonna be it, but they were at least with the drone and the eye and the sky. I think he's in the running. Now, is that gonna change anything? I think things are already changing. Mexico and the government right now right in Mexico right now is under pressure to make all the changes now. That's why they're going so hard off all these people. That's why they probably went after a little men show directly even took that hit, think about it. They went after a little men show right before the World Cup in the state where some of those games are gonna be held. That doesn't sound like a political decision. That sounds like a desperate decision by some people in charge or somebody in charge at a high level saying, you know what, we'll take the hit. - Cleaning up the streets before all the people come in. - Maybe. But why would you, like Mexico was on fire before the World Cup? - I don't know what I'm saying, like the opposite effect. - Yeah, but apparently the World Cup's going pretty well. People are liking it. There's a bunch of violence. There's schools with dirt floors in Mexico. There's a lot of horrible shit that he could be put forth, but like, you know, soccer. Yay, soccer, football. - You called it a disgraceful event or something earlier? - I hate you. - You're not a fan. - I hate fucking, I hate, I don't let you. - Why? - It's predatory. - It's predatory. - FIFA is a corrupt institution. Predatory. - I mean, there's a lot of documentaries on that. Like the actual FIFA, it seems to suck for sure, but like the actual event of like a lot of different countries coming together and like goon by on over sport a little bit. You not into that? - The Iranian team is staying in Tijuana, my hometown right now, because they can't stay in the US. It's cool, but it's being utilized as a political tool by more than as I say, like, hey, they can stay here in Mexico where they're safe. They don't want to stay in the United States. And if you go to the hotel where they're staying at, there's a Chinese flag, a Iranian flag, and a Mexican flag outside. It's just like, pretty interesting to see. So it's politics there. One of the things that really caught my. Every now and then I'll go out with some of the Madras Boscadores. - Madras Boscadores. - Madras Boscadores. There are organizations across Mexico where they're basically looking for the bones of their children that have been missing for years. So they're basically mothers who organize as in search parties to look for the bodies of their missing kids. - I can't even big. If anybody wants to see the effects, just go down there and if everybody wants to support an actual good cause. - What's the name of that again? - Las Madras Boscadores. And it's a name that basically a lot of organizations use out there. Yes, some of them have been compromised and used for political means and shit like that. I get it. Monana doesn't like those women, calling them out constantly about the fact that they not only inhibit their searches sometimes, but they don't send any protection with them. One of those Madras Boscadores actually went to the president and said like, "Hey, they're trying to kill me." And then they did. So some for their kids' bones. - For their bodies. They'll go around dump sites with steel probes, poke them in the ground. And if it comes out smelling like body, we dig. Wallets, shoes are found in documented IDs. A lot of them were setting up protests in Mexico City around the world cup because of, I mean, like how can we be in a jubilant celebration where there's thousands of people missing? And where there's industrial level bodies disposal and mass graves being found, like that's there. And I'm with them. And the president of Mexico comes out and mockingly says that they're being utilized as political ploy to make the Monana Party look bad. Fuck that. It's because it's like, how are we dedicating all these resources to this soccer event? When there are women who are like fainting in the sun without any sort of police protection, going into some of these horrible fucking places, getting shot at sometimes, for simply looking for a body to bury. That's what I don't understand on my end. - It's crazy. - When I started my career as a story I've told a few times. And it's like, it communicates everything about Mexico and my experience there. Mexico is a beautiful place. It has amazing people. Not all of Mexico is bad. Not all Mexicans are go tell members or anything like that. Just like not all Americans are, that's like this. - That's right. - There's like good people on both sides and people that just want to be fucking left alone, they want to have the ability to make the best lives for themselves and their kids and just not be fucking harassed, extorted, taxed, the fucking, all that shit. I get it. We're very much alike as a country with a lot. I see the similarities between both of us. We've been told this whole story about being separate. Dude, we're the same. When I started my career, they told me like, hey, let's go, get the bull cutters. I was like, fuck an excited about it. It's like, fuck, we're on a raid. Should I take the battering ramp? No, just the bull cutters. First thing I did in my career was cut a kid down from a bridge. Who was hung with some electrical wire with a sign on him. Some sort of vengeance from one cartel to the other. While I was cutting him down, we put a truck underneath him so the body wouldn't fall. As we're doing a favor because one of the guys that I was working with was banging one of the forensic women. The weird fucking story of that. But I was there doing that. It's like, fuck, what the fuck am I into? We're slowly trying to let this body down. It just flops down a family shows up. You can dehumanize. And I got some of that programming during my training. We're like, you know, the fuck those people, those mugrosos, the bad guys, Manandros. I bought into all that shit, this programming. But at that moment, like that was a red pill for me, that fucking changed it. The women that showed up, I think, were mothers and sisters. This body that I was treating as a thing that I was just annoyed with was the most valuable thing to them. - Son, brother, life gone. I went over to my friend and I said, like, fuck. That is the cruelest thing I've ever seen somebody do to a human being. And he turned to me and it's like, you're dumb. That is an act of kindness. and act of kindness. - Yeah. At least they have a body to bury and it's a low bar, but that's what we have down there sometimes. We are horrified about that, but we've normalized it for years. You'll hear, you'll see somebody get shot across the street, you'll look, you'll duck, and you'll finish eating your tacos and then step over to the body, and I'm glad it wasn't me, you know? We have normalized this for decades, and Mexican normal in some places is an absurd normal. And there's some horrific shit that happens up here that forifies me. You talk about being afraid of cartels, I'm afraid of a weirdo showing up at a school. Yeah, you talk about people smuggling and child trafficking, and we're standing in the country that is the consumer of most of that. We talk about drugs and proliferation of violence in Mexico, but then we are in the place that consumes a lot of that and then sends a lot of those guns down there as well. So this is like a very toxic relationship we have going on. We need each other more than we would, than we're being led on to think. Both of our countries are tied to the hip genetically, yeah? Yes. There's been a, I think I don't remember, there was like a viral ad where they were talking to some people in Texas who were pretty adamant about them being American and not Mexican at all. And all of them got DNA tested and they all had some Mexican in them. It is a travesty, I think, that we have been led into this position where there's a, you know, I'm all about, I'm all about people with a rule of law and just people, you know, being able to live. Most Mexicans that come up here, you know what their dream is? They go back home. Yeah, to make, make a better life, be able to send money home and then make enough that they can actually make the life where they came from. Yeah, a lot of that from a lot of, but why can't they though? It's because if they go back home, or they hear news from back home, order they going back to. Yeah. So seeing the loa's on fire, the rangos about to turn into a new front. Halesco is pretty spicy in some parts. Baja and in some ways is getting gentrified. And in other ways, it's a lot of the people who are leaving Sino-Lama who are now setting up shop in places like Baja are going to maybe turn it into another Sino-Lama later. We're in a cycle. The cycle. But whatever this is going on right now politically within the United States and its current attention on Mexico, independently of the ethics around it, independently of it's if it's good or bad or whatever you want to think about it, it is changing the game down there. Things are changing. People who are untouchable are dead now. Right. Government officials who have always been on the take or have in some way shape or form been involved in all this are now being hunted internationally with red notices. And that is something that's never happened before. So we you have to realize and notice that that is actually happening. And it is a thing that many Mexicans have wanted for years to start. Maybe something. But a group of Marines crossing into Dijuana. Different story. And having a having a shootout somewhere in downtown Halesco with the police because that's the cartel in some places. That's a different story. It is a very dangerous thing to think that you can go to Mexico with all the military force that United States has and not turn a single cartel head into a martyr and now have it. Yeah, yeah, fuck. And now you want to talk about something scary. Yeah. Think about a Mexican talibat. Mexicans are true believers as war fighters. Now we've been fighting it out with each other for a while. Yeah, I get technology and all that. But think about it. You have a very antagonistical country in Mexico. If we go into that is now inspired to defend its sovereignty. You have the social movement now kind of moving in within the United States of all the people that are living up here that have direct family ties in blood in Mexico. The scent is going to happen here. Sabotage is going to happen here. Most of the the Jose's, Luis's and Fernando's in the Mexican and the in the US Marine Corps are probably going to be conflicted with their new travel with their new travel arrangements and their designated enemies now. Oh, that's interesting. So I there's a lot to be avoided that I would recommend the United States going to think about before they try and attempt something of that nature. Which is again, why I think they're going to focus on these political figures. Yeah, because this isn't about that. I don't think they're going to go into a ground invasion. Although they say that a lot. I think it's probably going to be some sort of targeted mass arrests, which is what that list is. Or a single figurehead that symbolizes corruption and come and union between criminal organizations and politics in Mexico. And after that happens, moving forward with a more agreeable government. Yeah. But again, this is not about good versus evil. This is not about the right side versus the bad side. This is a survival on both sides. I think in the United States is looking out for its best interests. In this case, the United States is out for themselves. Yeah. All right. Let's come back to the elementary thing. But before that, I just got to go to the bathroom real quick. So we'll be right back. All right, guys. So it turns out and I did an entire second episode after we got back from the bathroom break. So that would be coming out on my channel soon. If you are not already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button so you don't miss it. And if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money doing edits of the show, you can join via the discord link in my description below. Finally, if you'd like to join Patreon, that link is also in my description. See you guys for the next one.