#037 Gary Wayne - The J.R.R Tolkien and C.S. Lewis conspiracy

[Music] [Music] Welcome back everybody to another episode of all things God in Country. I am your host Justin Clearwater and this is my co-host Jacob Kitson and today we are welcoming back a good friend in our guest Gary Wayne, dogs in Barkan. Yes and it's been a long hiatus we haven't done a podcast. It's been a minute as you can see you probably can't notice but we are in a new room and it's much bigger and we don't have to be that close now. Yes so it's it's a wonderful it's a gesture and it's been slapped together very quickly for this. You're talking with issue but we're glad to have Gary with us it's glad to have you here Gary you have become a hot topic of conversation as of lately on X and podcast circles and oddly enough not for what you would think you'd think people would be talking about Nephilimar something when it comes to Gary Wayne but it seems to be you poke the bear or the maybe the golden cow was a better reference with Tolkien and CS Lewis and so I thought that would be a good place to dig into since it's it's topical of our time right now apparently. Well and Lewis has looked at specifically Lewis has looked at such as a polygenesis and for Christianity in a lot of ways with books that a lot of Near Christianity's you take letters of you know all of those are wonderful works that are utilized and by some for the defense of the faith so I owe we will be interested to see how that is is mentioned because he does come from an odd background when you look into the man and then his high church and everything it does when you start uncovering and and I mean nobody knows how to dig like Gary so with that sir get your shovels that's right we're ready. We're ready for you sir and we've really anticipated that and for all of those who don't know Gary Wayne is the author of not one but two books detailing the Genesis 6th conspiracy his he's been an author and a new book a third book on the way yes April 1st we will talk to that April 1st reserve it out pre-order pre-order he describes himself as a contrarian who goes against the grain of Christian thoughts I already saw it listed on Amazon it's ready for pre-order got to do it get your plug in the pre-order the book yeah it's gonna be good yeah it's called the shorter yes it's called the it's called the a primo conspiracy a i's covenant with Babylon so it's designed to sort of display a lot of my research in the characters locations organizations but also to lay down for people how the end time might come about and based on my eschatology and so looking to get the end time in a little bit more mainstream and a little bit more take a back step let's have a look at how this world really works so that you can sort of understand some of the things that might be you know coming about and you know we have got these things like people are going to say well this new table that Trump is is putting together is you know the end time empire of course we haven't got the universal religion yet but so we have an organization that we put together in terms of how this might sort of come together in the book called the GAC as we came it's kind of generic but it means you know the global alliance coalition of 10 empires and so as we sort of approach the end time they're starting to come together and they're going to form that sort of 10 king empire so it's it's things like that in terms of how we take it back to the bible we take it back to how we can look at things today and then that we need to understand that nothing is new under the sun and what was will be a game and start linking it in and hopefully making it a intriguing interesting you know turn the page type of narrative which is why I have a co-author who writes novels publisher so we've been working on that and we've already started on a sequel with the hopes that this is going to go over pretty well with the testing that's been done it looks like it might go over quite well so we're getting ready for the sequel so we get only two about because if you know and what people don't understand why they sort of get confused is there's so many things that are going on it's not just one little thing there's just a whole plethora so you have to set the table for the what's going on in the whole world and work in different aspects because they're all going to be working together as as those last seven years we get to the opening of the first three seals and sort of the introducing of what the four seal is and that gets to 300 pages pretty quick so that's some of its table setting and the other thing that we're taking on there is that it's interesting how the book of revelation has the throne scenes and then you get the sequence of events afterwards but how does that message get to the earth and we're not really told that obviously once you get into the last seven years you're going to have 144,000 people from the tribe of Israel you're going to have the two witnesses but how does that sort of play because that takes time done fold as well and all of this is going on before and during so we come up with a way to how to get that message sort of downstream into the world and then how the world reacts to those messages and then how does AI play in and all of this which is what Bill wanted to really sort of get working in in in in the novel is is AI is going to have a large imprint so what would that look like so we're paying paying close attention to technology as well right on so for all of us you know 30 and up kids who read the left behind series where does this rank against that as far as well I don't know whether anybody can come close to touching what they did in terms of success well I mean let's go and add that aside I think what we're going to get into is everything they don't that's what I mean which is great and so we're looking forward to that and you know it sounds like you could easily turn into a maybe a movie yeah yeah could be I mean no one knows I mean it's it's whether or not people like the story and that they accept it so you know that you're going up against the headwinds when you're doing this type of talk it oh perfect and then within Christianity you're going against the headwinds because there's a lot of discrimination within Christianity that if you don't go to the standard dogma of the hegemony you you get sort of blacklisted or avoided and all sorts of things like that and as a contrarian that just means your information and your story in this case has to be more compelling to break through all of that so that's what we're hoping it's going to do I think it'll be fantastic I can't read it we'll definitely have a click yeah and and the picture on the book has an image of one of the main characters named back and she's got just to give people a bit of an understanding that we give her a background as an ancient bloodline bass back to the ancient basks so just as and the the outfit that she's wearing she's not part of a culture or anything like that but she's intimately part in the opening of the seals in terms of how that gets to the earth it says and she doesn't open the seals but she's active in terms of how that information is going to get out she has to go from place to place in secrecy because she's being hunted by the world hegemony who doesn't want that message to come out or control it in a way that they will they'll change the meaning or replace the message of the opening of the seals so there's all that sort of intrigue which now you have secret societies and secret orders and all and you know you get the rise of the the hegemony of the ten kings you're also getting babble on rising so it's like left behind and Brad Meltzer kind of it's like it's like left behind but we're not because we're here right I love that still here in cheek. First tell here I see you have three genesis six behind you is one of those a different print or because I have the we the original one in what is the gray one is that also so the gray one is book two the brown one is book one right what's the creme one then is that there's a cream colored one to think that might just be the cone is that just the color of it in our camera man. I think it was okay okay I was just wondering I said is he working on another book that he was well there was we did it cover change in book two just before release that was sort of a goldish color that's the one and we wanted to have it live. I mean, I really liked the gold one, but the idea was, is it look maybe a little bit too close to the first cover, and we wanted to make sure everybody knew there were different books. So that was, oh, I was just making sure I didn't need to buy another one. There was a little, well, I'll make sure I get another one out. So, yeah, wait. Neither can I. I'm very excited. And that's kind of a little tongue and cheek at itself. It's on Amazon pre-order. Is it on your website too? It is. It is. And you can pre-order on the website. And you can bundle with the first two books if you want to be able to sort of say, OK, what's he talking about? And dig into books one and book two, or a lot of information that's going to be talked about in there is, it's based from those two books. So we'll see how that sort of bundles together. And when we look at getting that buck out for publication, then comes the audible and the digital. So the digital typically comes out right behind it because once you've signed off on the typeset, then it goes to Kindle and they do their own typesetting and put it out for about the same time. And then the audible usually takes a little bit longer to come out because you have to hire people, readers, and just the whole process of the audio production. Oh, you didn't read it? No, I didn't do book one or book two either. So I have time. The guy for book two. I have them on all the blue. I know. Yeah, it's still going through. I know. But I think that's a great idea having the bundle with your new book because then the fiction book is really back by these years of researched books. So I don't really-- if you really want to dig into the lore of this book you have coming out, the first two is a great launching pad to really get this really one of the diaries. And it's a good launch into what we're going to talk about because if you look at the mythopoetic style or the typical polytheist style down through history, through the classics, is that they mix in their belief system as in their religion. They mix in their history. And they mix in their genealogies within those stories. Absolutely. All of them. They do it in ways through allegories, through locations, symbols. And people don't know that that's what they're reading because it's designed only for the adepts of polytheism to understand what is really being meant from that. So when you go into any of the arts, whether it's going to look at a painting, and people are saying we're trying to get the meaning and the feeling, well, the meaning and the feeling is the Pablo. The art is about what it's really translating to the adepts because they sponsor the arts. So it's about them, not about us. It's how they do things in sort of plain sight. So you know, like you look at like Da Vinci's last supper, well, he's got those three trip tech architecture with different dimensions seemingly in each of those windows in behind, let alone everything else that's going on in there. It's, and there's no grail on the table. There's no chalice on the table at the last supper. And you know, you've got John looking like more female than male. And because they're saying, no, that's Mary Magdalene. And the V between them is the symbol of the grail, of the grail bloodline. And it's just, yeah, it's just, that's how they do things. And they do it using our belief system. And in this case, Christianity as sort of the veneer, but what's at the core, you have to be able to see into. And you see into that because of the language and of the imagery, everything that's taciturn that's in there, the allegories, the names, that's what brings out the real story. And so when Pauli Theos look at the Bible, they look at the Bible as a fairy tale. We've all heard this, right? And they're not, they're not saying it the way you think it means. A fairy tale is a story where you have a happy, happily ever after ending. And it is a very interesting sort of narrative. But that's not the meaning of the story. It's just the glitz and the sort of the vessel to carry all of this other information that's in there. So you have to understand the allegories, you have to understand the names, you have to understand the genealogies, you have to understand the symbols for the religion to pull out the whole meaning. So what they say is if you read the Bible, that's the superficial tale. But you have to be in a depth of polytheism to understand what all of those locations, names, allegories really mean. And you only learn that if you're going to become a polytheist, you become an adapt. Because you're only going to get Pablo again below a depth level, whether it's 32nd degree, Scottish writer, 2nd degree, Yorkrite, that's not a depth level, FB 3rd degree, Yorker, 33rd degree, to start getting into the, into the real meanings. And so what Tolkien and Lewis did, they created something that they really like to focus on in their writings, is the eucotastrophy, which is the happily ever after ending. And their definition, this is their definition, and their invention is not mine. They said that eucotastrophy is to save the reader from the horrible feelings and understanding that the hero meets a tragic end. So you rewrite that tragic end into a happily ever after ending. And because polytheists will accept Jesus as a prophet and a teacher, but not as deity status or the word of God or the hope of the Elohim, then he doesn't rise after dying. That's the eucotastrophy part to give people a good feeling. And so they adopt them in as somebody like Confucius, somebody like Muhammad, somebody like Buddha, but not as he says he is. That's not their belief system. So that's the style of writing that Tolkien and Elocust did. Tolkien and Lewis did. And that this is based on an older tradition. And they were part of a writing society called the Inkling Society. And the Inkling Society is like-- and I'll come back to the Inkling a little bit more in a minute-- is like the Knights of the Helmet Society and the Spear Shaker Society that Francis Bacon organized to develop the English language and had writers like Shakespeare. And if you think "Spear Shaker and Shakespeare" somehow related, probably-- and if you wonder where that allegory comes from-- comes from "To Greek God's Apollo and Athena" who held the spear as a weapon of the gods. And when they shook it, they could do magical, powerful things. But they're also supporter of the arts. So he's writing-- and these writers are writing to develop the English language. And of course Shakespeare is very much like mythopolitic. It's like the same classics that come out of the Rome, like with Ovidis or Hesseod or Homer. It's the same sort of style that they pass down. So this Inkling Society-- and by the way, Francis Bacon was a rose accruciate, which is kind of key. And so Inkling Society is a society-- a writing society-- at Oxford. And this isn't the 20s and the 30s when Tolkien and Lewis are there. And at that time-- I mean, it's not that long of old, but it is, is almost a century-- different era that-- or in the middle class, as we understood them, they would never be allowed in Oxford. So what are they doing there? And now they're joining a rose accruciate society-- Inkling Society. While rose accrucians are higher than a free Masonic adept and higher than an Illuminati adept. So this is getting halfway up that phoemic tree of the secret society order. And that A, you wouldn't have the money B. They would never accept you at Oxford. C, they weren't there to learn about these types of topics. They were there to only learn the craft because both have bloodlines that go back to Royals. Really? I did not know that. And Lewis, he's actually his grandfather, is if I've got the spacing right, his grandfather, great grandfather, but I believe it's the grandfather, was the illegitimate son of the King of England. Yes, they moved to Ireland. He moves back. And actually, Lewis goes back to the bloodlines of the old kings of Luelland. Which makes sense when you look at the mythos figure he ties in. as Aslan, going back to what you're talking about, like even in the embodiment of the emblem of English power into his narrative. Yeah, it's a lion, yeah. And Aslan was an avatar figure in Vedic and a lion figure. And the avatar was, there's two different versions of me have been both, or two different stories have come into one. But Vishnu and Shiva will come up for the more you dig into it as the avatar for both of them. And Vishnu is the same one who was the avatar for Buddha to give him the knowledge to start Buddhism. And what's interesting is Aslan is an incarnation. What Jesus does is not an incarnation. Well, even what's the most famous line in the books, because as a kid, I read all of them. I mean, it's acceptable and, you know, as a child in Christianity to read those, even though they're mythical in comparison to Harry Potter, which wasn't allowed. But one of the most famous lines in all of the books is during the last battle, or when he's talking to them and he says, you must go to another world and tell them about me for in that world, I have another name. And they use it in the movies and they do it in the Prince Casby and one. But he says, and in that world, I have another name. And so I've never looked at that line as a insertion of incarnation like that. Yeah. And an incarnation is what happens with Antichrist in the end time. Right. So this Christ consciousness is being portrayed in this because this is how Christ's consciousness would appear in another civilization and on another planet. That's how that aslan is depicted because he's on, he's in another dimension actually as you go through the closet. Well, yeah. And how that world's created in the first book, the entire first, because he goes back and he wrote the magicians nephew and the magicians nephew is all about dimensions. Yeah. And how many books in his sequel? Say again, sir. How many books in his cycle of stories in about Narnia? There's seven Narnia. Yeah. Yeah. All done after the image and the age and the context of the seven wandering stars. Yes. All right. And with that, I'm just, yeah. When I give people and I'm way behind on emails, if people, if I, if they do get the documents from me, I have that even at the end of it with how he based the seven books in terms of and give you some reference points. So, but this, this incarnation is, is not a Christian understanding. The word was made flesh. The Holy Spirit made the soul and the body within Mary so that the word who already was would go into it. He's not sharing a body with somebody. And this body was going to be used for, for something special. So, but from a polytheist version, they would outerfit that because they counterfeit everything. So that becomes their incarnation. So in the end time, the Christ consciousness is an incarnation. I'm assuming you've read Louisus works in, in, in a depth or two adept in the books when he is resurrected on top of the, the occult stone essentially, right? In that stone in the books, they even mention it has like the writings of the world from what it was founded. In Freemasonry last time we spoke, you mentioned how there is a place for magic to be done. Is there a correlation between those two things and the narrative of like Aslan's resurrection? And I'm not sure I understood the question. And so, so in, in Louis's work, he talks about Aslan and when he kills him, he or dies the first time. And he's resurrected. He's resurrected on a, like an altar on a stone altar. And we, when we spoke last, you had mentioned Freemasonry often has a ritualistic altar near locations. Is there a correlation between that portion of the book and the Masonic ritualism? That's, I guess, my question. Yeah, I think so because in, in the polytheist, it's not a resurrection. It's a reincarnation. And it's not that he actually died, went to sleep. It's that their spirit is released as a disembodied spirit. So it happens bang, bang, right? And now you're into an altar in another location, in another dimension as the allegory would be understood. And that would be in a place like Shail or Hades, right? And they would have you imagine that there are up to seven different dimensions in polytheism. So each of these seven planets are in seven different dimensions. And yes, you see that in his writings, he mentions all that. Yes, he does. Are you, he has a, he has a series, and that's polytheist doctrine. He has a series of books called the Planetary Series. And in it, it goes into detail about, and I was never aware of these books until the last couple years, but it goes into what you're talking about, the doctrine of like dimensions. And how they believe in the ascension. And I don't think that most Christians are aware of that portion of his writings. They're called like Planetary and things like that. And so you mentioned he has a bloodline that he goes back to, specifically what bloodline would that be if it is the bloodlines of the kings? The well and the, okay. And is there his writings that that's influential of these? And by the way, they're, yeah, and they were the original kings of Wales. So in the document of what I have laid out is how you trace Lewis back and it's transliteration and back to the kings. I've just followed all through just as I'll take Tolkien back to the bloodline of Odin. And you see, that's what I was about to ask next was like, you have to be kind of dense to look at any portion of J.R.R. Tolkien's works and not see the ruinistic pagan magic in his working. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, people will say, okay, I'm more easily able to toss Tolkien over the side, but not Lewis. That's where I draw the line and they'll say things like what you're saying. It's all these obviously different creatures. But if you looked at the characters in the art series, Mr. Tumness. Mr. Tumness is pan is a satyr. Yeah, he's a satyr satyr. Boccus is as well. He's got these satyrs in there. You've got bloodlines that just go right back into history of the matriarchal bloodline that's really, you look at the allegories going back to Lilith. In fact, it says that as a call. It does. Yeah. And the names that are used are all. Pagan, Janus, Janus the witch. Yeah. And on and on and on. It's just, I mean, with Boccus, I mean, they pull that right out of a satyr God's name, right? It's just unbelievable how far they get. And you start looking into all of these different kinds of characters. This is polytheist history with the polytheist genealogy, with the polytheist religion. As you start to connect these things, because why would you put those bloodlines in if it wasn't important? Well, and like from again, sir, I've, you know, I've listened to you for over a decade now. And you've talked extensively. And you look and then you go back with the same perspective and you look with that fresh set of eyes onto these works, you have to almost sin willfully to ignore that that these things aren't talking about godly things. Yeah. And I'm not saying he's not a great writer because he is obviously. Yes. The skill is unbelievable. And I'm not saying that the stories aren't entertaining. Well, Harry Potter. They are. Harry Potter is entertaining and she's a, she's a phenomenal writer as well. But you go back. You said the organization that they were both a part of the in at Oxford, right? It was founded by Francis Bacon. And no, no, no, no, Francis Bacon had his own writing societies back in the time of Elizabeth and James, right? But this is the Rose accrucian golden dawn organization, you know, the one that Alistair Crowley found. Yes, correct. Okay. So, you mentioned the traditional shaking of the spear with the two deities in Greek mythology. You can see how like the there's an influence behind it with that right in their writing you say they were popular because and that has to play a role like the spirits of this world propagating The their doctrine their yeah, they're religion and so what better way to package it than under the guys of It's just like a peer and the children debute. Yeah, well that makes it much more aggravating It's all like Peter Pan they made it all cartoony and fun and yeah, but the real story of Peter Pan pretty ours. Yeah, yeah and going through another portal Yeah, you know a place where nobody ever dies of immortality Pan is shown as a little fairy, but Pan we all know who Pan is it's a say to go to God and sacrifices children in it. Yeah, when the just yeah, it's just crazy how we have been prepared to accept these things And people say they want to believe that you know Christians can have good writers Well, the reason why we don't have that many popular writers is that the publishing industry generally is dominated by polytheists right? It's just like Hollywood why aren't there a lot of Christian movies because Hollywood's not Christian. It's really hard to get that stuff out and penetrate the hegemony because they control all of this But just because somebody says he's a Christian, we should judge him or evaluate him judges probably a poor poor word. They'll switch that to evaluate him on the fruits. And how does that bring anybody to Christianity? It doesn't how does that entertain people it does how does that brainwash people in preparation for polytheism? It does. So how do you bring in something for those people who were probably still out there talking well, okay, well, that's just a portion of Lewis's works. What about the things that are used in common defense of in an apologetic sense that straight from his fantasy works. And I can see it. And I can see it. Me and Justin were speaking of this regarding specifically the screw tape letters how it is truth out open when you really look at it from the perspective you're speaking from. So how do you how do you reconcile like mere Christianity and the screw tape letters in his. And when you get into the fine sort of doctrine of how Nostec Christianity works, you really have to understand the words that they're writing that they're double entendres. It's kind of like what was listening to Pope Francis, where he would say things that you could take two ways. And then he dropped in things that sound Christian, but have a polytheist meaning to it. I would say. And a lot of people have said, but he repented and became Christian at some point and renounced all of that. I'm going there's nothing on record that he ever renounced what he wrote. And he's curious. There's many people. Yeah, that have renounced what they've wrote in life and he's not one. Yeah. So and what better, you know, deception. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? Right. What better deception though to name something mere Christianity. And then when you look at it from because there's portions of Nostecism that if you don't look at it with discernment, it sounds correct. You know, it sounds appealing. So it's very it's very seducing. What do you think that's the style? The goal is why were they planted in those in Oxford or you know, how did this come about? Because you did mention that they would have not been, you know, presumably of class or standard to well, they they had to be to be an Oxford. And we don't you don't have any records of Lewis and Tolkien as being free masonry. And yet they're in the Rose accrucian society. That that can't happen in Rose accrucian is higher than free masonry. But if you are a pure blood, you are initiated from childhood, not allowed to take an adept title till you're 25 to 30 years old. But you are higher than a free mason adept. You are higher than illuminati. You are higher than Rose accrucian. You are pure blood and you just don't have the title yet. And again, that's not unusual. And you look at religions as that adulthood and even in the Bible is 20 to 40 years old. Right. And there's process. Right. So that's the same thing. It's just counterfeiting of the Bono Theism and polytheism. So you can look at the priesthoods and say, well, it seems a lot of similarities. Yeah, but it's who they're worshiping. And one's counterfeiting the other and it comes down to is which one do you believe is being counterfeited. And which one is trying to always create the same agenda that happened before the flood. And the same end goal. It's all about that because the history that they're bringing to you is telling you this is going to happen again. But not in the way the Bible tells you. So, for example, with Tolkien, you know, Tolkien was in the First World War. And so, and he was, he dealt with, you know, all kinds of stuff. Is there any history that you're aware of of anything you did in Europe that associated with any free masonry or anything of that nature? I mean, I know that he was a soldier on the front lines and everything in the trenches, but even the movie they made a few years ago about Tolkien and the origin of the Lord of the Rings and all of that. They didn't touch on his childhood. They didn't really do anything there. You can trace his genealogies and I do it in the document, but most people say you really can't. They do migrate to England. But the Tulk family came down into Normandy in the time of Rollo, but changed their names to the same clairs with the Treaty of St. Clair when they expropriated Normandy from France. This is the same bloodlines that then moved over to Scotland as the De Bruces and the St Clairs as we understand it, who developed free masonry and William the Conqueror, right? And 1066. And he's part of that royal class that comes there. And there's also a branch that moves over into Germany. That's more closely associated with the Tolkien. But he's elite and nobility all the way through. And so is his family and how he gets into Oxford at that time is that's the only way you're going to be there because they wouldn't have had the money if you buy into who they say he is in terms of this poor average person. Right. And so they were related to King. Sorry. Yes. So they weren't in the England society to learn about the history. They already knew it. There are there to have their literary crafts developed so that they could become a good novelist. So this was kind of what they were born for that this was their their purpose. They're destiny. That's what their role to be. I mean, look at what Shakespeare wrote, whether it's him or it's bacon, doesn't really matter. If you go with a standard genealogy of who Shakespeare is, he's the son of a butcher with no Oxford education, but he's talking Oxford language of that time. And he has his vast knowledge of a cult history in ancient history that he ought not to know. He's a layman. And it is interesting because you said that they were both mentioned or both related to Kings and they were both there at the same time. And so like it's the just another example of the the the spirits of this world that seek to keep their lines close and together and eyes on them because it is coincidental that two of the most prolific authors of the last century were there at the same time. And have kind of dubious origins in regards to their their blood like I don't believe in coincidences. I believe in divine divine storytelling and. Especially with these kind of people. No, no, that's kind of the last point in time where the there was this complete utter dominance of, you know, writing. It starts to expand as more people become educated. They're still controlling it through the brainwashing at the universities who controls the publishing, but it's not from this very small class of people, right? It's a larger broader class. But they're I mean, they are raised up to Saint like status. Oh, yeah. And I just don't know why we can't recognize that yes, they can be very good writers. Maybe there are Christians or not, but they never renounce their writings and they were writing about polytheism. It's almost like they're writing almost their version of history or like their Bible. - Well, in a lot of ways it is, isn't it? - It's their cultural biases that goes in it. So in where you see the overlaps of fairies and types of beings, you have a Celtic Irish Welsh, Scottish sort of overlay, but when Tolkien does his, it's Norse. - Right. - And why? Because that's where his bloodline goes back to. And it makes sense because when you look at different types if even in a real world setting, you look at the people you know who were attracted to those writings. Like I make knowing what my blood is and everything. Like I've always been attracted to like Tolkien and stuff like that, whereas I know plenty of people who are our friend Miss Linda's very British, much always has loved. - And you look at all the different book series that you know, Tolkien and Lewis from there. I mean, you could say Harry Potter was inspired from them. - Every series. - Harry Brooks with the Shinara Chronicles books. - Game of Thrones. - I mean, it really took it mainstream along with other pushes like Walt Disney. - Yep. - Well, yeah. - Who are rising about the same time and are now doing the same history for the same target markets only on film. - Right. It's just unbelievable how all of these things start working together. And Walt Disney, I mean everybody says, well, of course he's free Mason. No, he wasn't. He's Rose accruciant. That's the entertainment part with the Rose accruciant's handle in terms of parts part of their agenda. - And you see the consolidation of media right by Disney even. And you see the other controlling media empires are all origins of similar nature and such. But CBS is there logos like that. - The eye right. - And NBC's the peacock. But you look at Disney specifically, like you just said, Mr. Wayne, and you see that, you know, Fantasia was one of their very first like real big ones. - Fancy Lee's. - And what is Fantasia? It is all witchcraft. I mean, it's the one scene is about selling your soul for power. - Cinderella. - They all are. - Their cat's name is Lucifer. - Yeah. - Cinderella. - Once you start to dig into these things, it's, it's, you just can't sort of say it's all coincidence. And also at the time of the rising you have, you know, in the 30s you start to get and probably in the 20s. But again, we're in the same sort of time zone. You get the starting of the horror classics. - Mm. - Both in film and more in writings and being developed. It's another avenue of the same polytheist religion. And then you have the rise of the alien phenomena. - Right, Elron Hubbard and those things. - Yeah, yeah, this again. It's different organizations all linked in going in different, in the same direction that are launching, saying this is the time of preparedness that we need to have put in place. And because they're all Nostics, they're thinking in the same line of Alice Bailey where they had 2025 lined up. - Well, and even in the century before the last, you had things like Grimm's fairy tales that told a bunch of origin stories and mythos. - And those are dark. - Well, yeah, I mean, I have a copy. They are extreme, some of them. But the resurrection, the good guy always winning, that's not as prevalent there. And that's very truth. You've seen a softening or a palatability almost of this occultism wide open. And you can't turn on any programming now without it being fully entrenched into the market, even in literature like you're saying. - But even now it's almost like, is he a bad guy or maybe he's misunderstood better? The bad guys aren't as bad guys as they used to. - Well, and you see that when the scripture say that the enemy appears as an angel of light, that you see in this entertainment, you see in this, that's what you're saying, he's not the bad guy. - That's gotten away from Joseph Campbell's, oh, what is that called? The Warriors Journey or whatever. You see with going back to a literary character between Tolkien and Lewis, somebody like Gandalf and Tolkien's works, that totally skews the perspective of Christianity in the resurrection of the spirit to more of like you were saying reincarnation. - And it comes back as Gandalf the way. - Right, and you see it over and over again in their storytelling, their counterfeit of the scriptures when you really pay attention. - And the other thing is, where's the Christian side in these stories? Where's God? Where's the parable? If you're gonna do it as, okay, this is a fictional parable. Where's the moral of the story from a Christian perspective? Where is it? It's all missing and that's why it was important for Burluas to put a Christ-like figure in there, but masterfully in the Nostek understanding. - I've heard it say that they've tried, I've heard some circles argue that Eragon and Tolkien's work is supposed to be representative of Christ's. - I've heard that the elves were supposed to be angels and current rings as well. - Well, and, but I mean, even in that and itself, comparing angels and elves seems like a problem. - But the Samarrelian is the one where I think he really details his truths and what he really is because going back after reading your works and things and looking with that perspective in those eyes, the Samarrelian is Satan talking when you really look and it is the gnosticism of really not much different than Mormonism in that novel. And it's presented as like the codex for the entire realm that you're speaking to. And so in literary works like that, Tolkien and Lewis, they came before Elrond Hubbard, correct? So like you said, you get the fantastical magic with Tolkien and Lewis and then you start to delve into the spiritual, like the conjuring of the truth of those things in what we call modern sci-fi and stuff. And really, as somebody who used to read a lot, it's hard to read a book when you know all these things for fun. All these books that are in this genre of sci-fi, whether it's Robert Jordan and his time, Will Saga or George R. Martin, they're all the same story. - Yep, orcs, dwarves. - They're all the same story, you know? And they're telling the same story. And even in the Robert Jordan series, there's seven wheels in that time series. I never got that. - And then there's the new movie coming out, the Odyssey. They're making the Odyssey movie. - Well, and so they keep telling this narrative to us. - Excuse me. In a preparation, that's what you're saying, right? They're clearing the pathway and priming us like a motor. So that when the flip is switched on, or the switch is flipped on, we accept it. - Do you think, well, well, let me just sort of bring this into perspective. And it's also why in one form of eschatology, it has to be rewritten and re-understood, is that there's a great falling away of the church. - Right. - Right? There is going to be a significant amount of Christianity, an organized Christianity that's going to go with the Babylon polytheist religion. And it's only going to be the true Christians, the ones that are probably for lack of, because we're not quite there yet, the conservative sort of you versus the liberal view. And even within the Catholic church, you see that split, and there's going to be that split there as well, are going to say, no, that's not what our history is. That's not who Jesus is. That's not who God is. But they prepared us to accept what they're going to sell us when the false prophets come along. So you have to get to that point where they start to reveal things and get testrified start to happen. And they take credit for these catastrophes to convert, or be destroyed from the face of the earth, that they're playing on the seed that's not well grounded. But that will be the ones who fall away as Jesus told us about. - How, growing up, you know, in the church, we've all, Justin and I have always heard of, you know, the great falling away, and we come in different eschatological backgrounds. - Yep. - But very similar, I would say. Do you have a set timeframe? Do you think that that's a long drawn thing? Do you think that like it began in the last century with Lewis, not Lewis specifically? but stuff like that and the intro over time because this is something that I've never felt is a rapid thing, but I'd be very interested to understand in your relationship to all this how you would think it goes together. Well, I would say that the polytheist forces have invaded Christianity a long time ago and controlled it at to various degrees throughout its history. And I've been ready for the end time and the following away, even though they have to wait for the ordained time, they're always trying to prepare for doing having things happen before the ordained time. So yes, it's been there and they have to every generation, they have to double down and continue to prepare and adapt with the times. So when we look at how the Roman Church has been in position for a very long time, to be part of this universal religion, I'm not saying it's going to be, but certainly will be part of, but so a lot of Christianity, as we look at the eschatology that sort of goes with it, it's not exclusive to the Roman Church, and that we've seen all of the Gnostic influences in Protestantism within the churches, within the teachings, within the symbols. So they've been preparing us for a long period of time. It's just now hitting a higher level of sort of a fever pitch if I can sort of put it that way, and that they're becoming even more bold and in your face as we go, which means their confidence is getting higher that the time is coming and they want to make sure that they're going to bring on as many as they can with them because they look at Christianity as the large force, that in Islam, but for a different reason and how they're going to, and their ways of dealing with those two groups are different, but at the end of the day, they need to convert people to monotheism, get it down to, I mean over to polytheism, not monotheism, get them to convert to polytheism over time, and then one last sort of small step for humankind, so to speak, and to be able to get that number down who stay loyal to as small as possible so that they can handle that type of populist rebellion. So why do you think that your take on C.S. Lewis and Tolkien seems to ruffle so many feathers? Because I mean, I kind of, I didn't know any better either until I heard you say it and then I was like, oh, well that makes a lot of sense. Like yeah, that's fine. As long as the truth, I'm happy with it. They, they, they sold Tolkien and Lewis very, very well as Christians and super hero Christians. So people bought into their religion and they don't want to be wrong. They don't want to say I'm, I'm appreciating polytheism. So it's really difficult because you grow up on it. And your parents told you this, the church told you this. It's, it's, it's, it's absolutely ingrained and it's like when somebody isn't prepared to look at prophecy with clear scripture, they'll believe if they're not prepared to dig into the detail and do all of the topology and line everything up. They're prepared to believe something is different than what's written there because they bought into that and they don't want to upset their whole life of belief system and say, how could I be, be so wrong? And we got all of the world that's teaching this type of eschatology and don't want to admit it's the wisdom of the world. When you start rewriting what Jesus said, take a step back. It kind of reminds me of this probably ruffle more feathers, but you know, we don't, we don't celebrate Christmas Easter or any of the pagan holidays. It's kind of the same thing when you tell somebody, hey, Christmas is pagan, they get really upset. They do? Well, and Easter. Yes, oh, very upset. It's like you're, you're poking the wrong thing. Easter is always the one that I think. Yeah. And, and or ask what does, you know, Sam Hen or Halloween have to do with Christianity? Well, and we try to be, it's a whole, most holy day of polytheism. And we don't observe, you know, we're not legalists and how we observe the high Sabbaths or whatnot, but we do, we do keep the Sabbaths. And if you keep the Sabbaths, you can see how blasphemous the, the world's religious system and holidays are because they're all black masses, so to speak, in regards to our leader over and get something here. Yes, sir. I started when I went down that road, I just wanted I wanted it my faith to be authentic. Okay. And to be authentic, you know, you got to get those things. I love teaching aids, Mr. Wayne. Yeah. Well, this is if I can get it on camera there. Okay, I don't want to get it closer. That's the wheel of polytheism, right, in terms of their eight holy Sabbaths. Okay. And what and their holy Sabbaths work on the equinoxes. And the solestices. So December 21, June 21, March 21, September 21. And so when you start seeing what's going on in Lewis in the winter, that's beginning the solestice holiday. And it is, you know, it's called the Yule. What do we celebrate at Christmas? Yule, Yule tidings, you know, the untovoden, the 12 days of Christmas, right. And it overlaps into December 21 and then December 25, which is Mithra's birth date. That again, it's just absolutely crazy. And then in the six week points, you're going to have like between Halloween or between September 21 and December 21 is six weeks, which is Halloween. That works, that happens for 11 days. So you have like Valentine's Day, which is Lepor Calis, a satire festival for Valentine's, right. Of Mayday. I mean, all of these are days that we do separate celebrations around. And with several of them, like with Easter and with Christmas, is right in with those festivals. And then they overload it with polytheism and can worship in plain sight and then get us to do their rituals in plain sight. It's it's the same thing. And so writings of these books will be centered around these holidays and these dates. Well, and it's a spiritual feeding, right. Like by getting the unwilling to not unwilling, the unknowing to participate unwillingly, unknowingly, they get a spiritual power source from it. Yeah. And so and you see it like, I don't know about you, but this past winter season during their feast of you felt very different than it has in years past. It felt very much darker, grayer than it has in years before. And it's, I don't know if it was the overload of the turmoil of the things they're, you know, working in the world in their other ways. But you could see that the it was distracted. It was different. And so when they throw all this in our faces, like they have a new documentary movie, or not movie coming out, not documentary, a new movie coming out called Disclosure by Steven Spielberg. It already came out. Closure, documentary thing. Yes. And so and it it's kind of the building off of this because the one thing that I disagree strongly with Tim Alvarino about is planets and dimensions. I look at it in, I don't like those words, but these things are going on in this realm and the realm of the unseen, not off sight, right? I don't believe in inter to inter extraterrestrials. I believe in interdimensional. That's actually a great question, Gary. How do you think of that? Yeah, it's kind of a combination of both. So I mean, within the Fermanet, we have the seven wandering stars, right? So we know there's planets and then we know outside is the universe. So the question is, is do these beings come inter inter galactical or interdimensional? But everything that's in the occult would say interdimensional. Right. But that doesn't dismiss that there aren't some planets. And they're celebrated, right? I didn't know. I know you didn't. I just saw when people are listening that they have a frame of reference there. So is there a possibility that there are planets and galaxies? Absolutely. I mean, God can have, we have no idea how big the universe is. But in the area that we're playing with is more interdimensional and we're told about different dimensions in the Bible. We know there's a dimension for heaven. We know there's a physical world. We know there's a place called Shail or Hades that's likely in another dimension in the earth. And so we also know there's an earth. Then things are going on in the earth as well, depending on what whichever belief system you come on that there's there's a physical aspect and then there's this interdimensional aspect where the gods of polytheism go to where the demonic spirits are trying to get through. So we want to be in a position where we're not being deceived by different sort of poles apart philosophies that are designed to cattle herd us. What we can deal with is what the Bible tells us and what we can sort of physically discern and understand ourselves. So if there's anything beyond that fine if there isn't fine, but we know this part to be true beyond that we don't get biblically and if it's not biblical that we're getting a reference to it's probably a deception and that everything that's mentioned biblically it will not be a total dismissing of it'll be a counterfeit or reimagining of what it is or what it is. And that's the same tactic that's used for scripture or reimagining of what it means when it's it's the same it's the same language if you understand it. And you see it even going back to what we've been talking about tokens work with the realm of men and all of the play East the Eastlands where the elves and the old men went and where they left and they ascended to and yeah and they have names that link back to gods as the original creators that ended EL there's a lot of EL names that are there. And you know at the end of the trilogy you have all of these different creatures that are created in polytheism around the world they're all on this arc sailing away why now because it's the age of man that's the flood right there no longer going to be visible and allowed to be visible even though they may interact through the dimensions. So again you're getting the polytheist history there are lens of what happened old in an interesting sort of way and you just have to sort of understand what is that imagery telling us when you have the white elves there what color are the are their hair and what color are their eyes you have blonde hair you have red hair you have blue eyes you have hazel eyes and very pale skin and they're quite a bit taller than all the little ones. These are the shape people S.I.D.H.E. or Cedar Ceday or it's pronounced a hundred different ways these are the two off a dudden and giants the fair folk the fairie folk these in the elemental hierarchy white elves are not there you have light elves but not white elves and you have dark elves these are variations within the ugly groupings of hobbits and dwarves and gnomes and those. But this is a separate being and they're treated as a separate type of nobility that you just aren't really understanding why they move with grace they're very very educated they're very very elite they're they're telling us in everything that this is a superior being even to the humans. Yeah because they say don't don't all the humans leave in the hobbit stare something to no human stay in the home stay in the hobbit sleeve in the elves leave and so yeah well that's incredible though when you take the step back and we we remove our biases because that's what life promotes and that's what the devil works upon right is the enemy seeks to capture and to divide through biases and through personal opinion but the one thing that's very admirable about you Gary is it's not a good thing to do is that you're not going to be able to do that. So what I'm going to say Gary is is that you you present the truth this fact and you don't put your own spin on it and so when the words say what the words say I mean even the ring in tokens works right in elementary magic and stuff ruins are important and so the entire book deals with magical ruins essentially as well too. So right it's so socially acceptable the ring and the ruins and the open face Nordic worship. That makes me wonder what what is the ring represent that Frodo carries and he puts on and what's the deal with that well where the the kings were given their authority by the council of the gods is this circular assembly. This is the ring of kings it's like the nights of the round table those are all kings right and a ring is a representation of that but it comes with magic and power and again to be good and so when we see that ring entered into some apocrypha like with king Solomon that's them overlaying polytheism onto that story it's a sheer sign to the polytheists and what do you say somehow Solomon could control the demons with his rings he would just control it through the Holy Spirit. He doesn't need a ring to control the demons well and even if you look at have to look at the imagery of what they're what they're overlaying so and so yeah I mean this ring is something that we should expect to come back again in the end time because even to this even into modern times the modern king wears a king a ring of kingship as a sign that he's the king. It probably marks the new golden age with these 10 kings and they're going to bring back to life all of this imagery of Atlantis and the antediluvian times and they're going to have a new ring ring of power. When if you look at the characters that are given their rings all of the all each one of them have a different realm of power and then the dark ring that binds them all to rule them and it's from a place of darkness right and going back because what happens with that is is understanding that these kings are given their divine right to rule by the specific God who rules over that country and kingdom. And that's a that's a great point because the God that you're dealing with and tokens work little G and in Lewis's work through two different deities that they're homage is going towards correct. Yeah. And so do you think that that's intentional for mass appeal and follow up on that same question is do you think that it's intentional for. Like to call people in a modern modern sense like to that specific cult or that specific esoteric theology that those those books and authors have put forth like tokens work deals more with the Nordic side of things like you said. So is there a correlation between that purpose in their writing. Yeah, there is because you're trying to reach a global audience. So you're going to get Eastern religions and some of them Chinese religions in some of them and they're trying to sort of make common ground and bring all of these religions as their disparate now. Back to the original religion that they're just a branch of vernacular local version with the same gods with just different names of the same belief system. So that's why they're playing it out with so many different cultures and religions, you know, even the seven days of the week you're mixing three pantheon of gods there. They're the same gods in each of the same in the same pantheon. So you've got you've got Greek you've got Latin and you've got Norse in the seven days of the week. You mentioned the some some authors have Eastern writing so another author and he happened to die on the same day as Lewis. Aldous Huxley Aldous Huxley's works have a very Eastern touch to them. So when you read books like Brave New World or spy glasses of Gaza, things like that they they deal with a lot of like Eastern mysticism. And so this is a nice segue into my other topic I'd like to talk about some of the Eastern gods and such as well or little G bloodlines and some authors maybe aside from Huxley or someone who who have really proliferated those cultures bloodlines and pantheons. Yeah, what's the question there? Oh, so how what are some authors or what are some? Oh, I see. Yeah, I mean, anytime that you're seeing anything to do with Buddhism or Buddhist-like organizations understand that that is sort of reaching into that. So Star Wars is not not a author, but they're reaching into that Eastern mysticism with their Jedi bloodline, right? And the Brahmins have a bloodline. Like, the original priests were all bloodline just as you have a bloodline priesthood in ancient Israel. Again, counterfeit, but the Brahm and bloodline goes back to Deflon bloodlines back to, you know, to the gods that had produced them. So that's really how you're going to sort of delineate who those writers are. But you see kind of a mix of Eastern mysticism with gnosticism. And because they become blended, that's what Blaski did along with Egyptian religion, right? And then, the Atlantean religion, but Terje was more Eastern, but it was a gnostic aspect, but it blended in other sort of types. So what I would suggest is that all of the, you may have some writers that are more focused on Norse like Tolkien. But the reach is to reach a commonality around the world. So you're trying to touch on that and as much of, or they're trying to touch on that as much literature as possible. The bottom line is is that almost let's say, let's just for a random number because I don't have a study on this 99% of the literature that's written on novels as polytheists. Oh, yeah. And like this whatever slant that you're getting into. I mean, the superhero one is the best one to cross all cultures. What I liked about Brahms Stoker's Dracula was it connected a middle Europa belief system which had a mix of Eastern and West as well as they put in that sort of draconian belief system into those stories. So, but it's just so large that what I try and do to just try and make sense of it is just boil it down to some basic sort of things is what, what types of characters are they writing about? What do they say about their religion when they're practicing it? They may not mention a specific religion, but is it a nature worship or what is it? And you can start to see other polytheist lines that are wedded into there and when they get really bold, they're talking about where the world's going to go. So I was going to say as well on the Eastern writings also look for anything that has a shambala in it so that you've got within that understanding is as a shambala is in the inner earth or in another dimension, right? It's where their gods are located, it's like Nurgau, it's like Hades or Shaeol and they will have two locations for cities in that belief system as well. One will have Lord Matreja and another one will have King Sudras. One would be more Persian, avestan, Zoroastrianism. The other one is Sanskrit, Zoroastrianism. You brought up Zoroastrianism, Zoroastrianism claims they claim that they are the oldest, like continually practiced religion of that region. And you see with the turmoil in Iran and everything that's going on in the world, a resurgence of that faith. The mingling of it into writings is prevalent too, I've seen in other literature, but how do you see the rise of these ones that we in the West because we don't look to the East the same way, specifically in the Americas. We don't really look to the Orient. And so like humanism and Buddhism are very well connected and we see that infiltrating our society today, Zoroastrianism and Buddhism, they come from two different source points correct. And if they don't, how do they work together in like a modern sense with these bloodlines in the world's perspective? So Buddhism comes out of Hinduism. Hinduism is Zoroastrianism. That was simple. And Buddha gets his religion and adds to it when he becomes the avatar of Vishnu. So it's kind of like a New Testament, so to speak, of the Bible in a polytheist sense. And then that religion spreads to China's Taoism, that we know today is Taoism with the T. And then that religion spreads to Japan's Taoism. And the Eastern part is the same religion that comes from Bable because the people of Bable are moving east or moving in amongst the Giants. So this is the religion of the Giants, but they were already worshipping the religion of the Giants at Bable. So they have the same religion when they're going there. And so the other side of it is you're going to have, let me back up a step. You have the two starting points that people like to look at for religion after the flood. You have Bable and you have Egypt. So you have Misram and Ham moving to Egypt with Hermes in the Nostek account. And that's going to spread mysticism around the Mediterranean. The ones who stay in Genre are going to be the Magi and continuing practicing, but the ones that migrate east and are moving into amongst other Giants there are still going to be practicing the same religion. So the religion that the polytheists believe that started up at Bable is the religion that a fellow by the name of Hermes found underneath the pyramid along with all of the Antidoluvian knowledge. And he takes it to Nimrod with the Antidoluvian knowledge, the build Bable city and Bable tower. And this is the religion from before the flood that I like to call, you know, Key and Mysticism, but the polytheists understand it as Zoroastrianism. And so within the Sanskrit version of the Indus Valley where you had these two groups of Arians one went to Persia, the other one went to the Indus Valley. That's why you have a vestant in Sanskrit. You have a Trismas Gistis there as well, but it's the Zoroastrian Trismas Gistis. It's not Hermes Trismas Gistis, it would be Zoroaster Trismas Gistis. And so you have one that goes back for the flood and his name originally was Garamon, but he becomes a follower of Zoro and Astor, a star, a god of the stars as you take that back in its meaning. And a female goddess at that and he gets taught the original Zoroaster in religion. And then it restarts again after the flood with the Zoroaster. And then another one about 600 BC. So you have a same Prismas Gistis aspect just with a different vernacular tradition. So what would have been the religion that was practiced when they took the stars and moons off the camels in Scripture after they were defeated. I cannot recall at the exact moment who was defeated, but they took the stars and the moons off their camels. What says, would that have been a proto-type of Zoroasterianism? Would that have been that would have been the post-flood religion that wasn't worshiping Yahweh, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So depending on how you have giants who show up after the flood and who teaches them the religion and the technologies that they have, if they're recreated versus surviving, it's going to sort of affect how you look at where was monotheism at that time. How long did it go to be almost extinct? by the time of Abraham. And how did that get swallowed up by polytheism? And when and where did that happen? Because you'd have so many of those different kinds of stories. I don't think everybody at Bable was all atheist. I think a lot of people just said, I'm going to do what I have to do to live, but I still believe in the God of the Bible. But certainly within the Middle East area of the time of Abraham, you sort of deduce from the story, he's the last monotheist, at least in the Middle East, right? So who would be some of the, who, if there is any in the open that would be of these bloodlines of the East? So just before I get there, I just thought I'd throw in another account of the Zoroastrianism and the mixing of the East and the West side of that sort of religion. So there's an individual that some church fathers write about called Kim Zara Thustra. And in that, understand that the Nostics look at this as a significant patriarch of polytheism at the time of Bable and shortly after and moves over to Egypt with ham, right? And so that word Kim, CHEM, sometimes spelled CHAM is actually pronounced ham, ham Zara Thustra. And so what they're saying is that he is taking that Zoroastrian religion to Egypt, which is that other pillar, right? And then that's kind of their way of saying how that spooed in Zout in terms of what I was talking about. But I sometimes I forget to get into the polytheist's shoes versus describing it from the monotheist side, but understand that they have their own version of the same events, but seen through the polytheist lenses as to how that happens. So when you get that in ancient Egypt, you have the ascines of the Therapeutate religion, which is of the Egypt polytheism. And then the Kabbalism comes back at the time of the Babylon destruction for the other part of the Eastern mysticism. Are you familiar with something called the Corbin Bible? Yes. Is that that fits into that narrative that you're just mentioned, correct? Yes, largely too. It's describing a similar type of scenario to that. Is it the same time frame? Or would that be? Yes, basically. Yeah. Okay. And so because that's from the polytheistic viewpoint. Yes. And first time I read it, it's like, oh well, you guys are the ones that we're talking about in the Bible. It was a very odd read because it's the other side of that story. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to know if that's where that fit at. So when we look at now at bloodlines in the east and China is the easiest way and understand there's a migration that you know, it's over there, but both they have a both before and after the flood, whether or not their accounts as we get it after the flood written down is of something that was located before the flood elsewhere. And it's been sort of implanted onto the migrants in China. Both sides of the flood, you have a bloodline of royals and priests that are produced from the watcher gods, the Ten Goo Gods. And these are the dragon creator gods, right? And the offspring are the sons of heaven. So we would understand these as the Sunim in the Bible. S-i-n-i-m, the people of the east. We only get that name, I think, used once, maybe twice in the Old Testament. And so this would be sort of akin to what we should expect in the end time of the kings of the east. So we have a reference to what's being talked about. I think that's probably the only reason why we get the Sunim mentioned. But you have other peoples of the east, it just depends on how far east, right? So when you have like their Ken as they're shown in Genesis 15, as the Cadmenites, the Keynites, and the Kennesites, these are the ancient ones of the east. And in book two, I cover off all of these meanings of the names of these people. And the Persians are the people of the east. Right. And so you have another group of people of the east, because the Persians are Arians. And another group of people of the east are the El-A-Mim, the Olamim. Same word. And so with the people of Shem, descendants of Shem, of El-A-M as we come to know them are intermarrying. They're intermarrying with the giants there. And historians will say there's two different groups of people. We don't know where the kind of both come from. But Olamim are the original aboriginals that the Elimites are going to move in and intermarry with after Bable. These are all of the bloodlines that are intermixing within at least the east as far as Assyria and Persia are in Babylon. But the Sunnis seem to be even farther east. So now if you look okay if there's two different groups of giants as in Indo-Aryans. And as we mentioned the Sanskrit and the Avastin, the Persian and the Indus Valley, the Sunnis was probably the Indus Valley people that people of Bable would have migrated to move into as well. That's seeded later the Chinese in the Southeast Asia and into Japan. And so when we look at at bloodlines we're essentially whether it's in the west or in the east, we can only really go back to the time of the flood. And even then we don't have complete writings early on but you get the oral traditions written down somewhere thereafter. So you have these bloodlines that have come down through history from the east and there's a whole bunch of ones in in India. But they've had such turmoil over there in the last four or five hundred years. You don't get the old names that are still in power. They still may be there in hidden. We just get more or more recent names that that sort of come to the surface. But in China we do have Lee and She, there's two bloodlines of the Shaw Dynasty, XIA and XI. President Xi is from the Shaw people from the sons of dragons as the royal bloodline after the flood only from the western bloodline. Okay. And he's back in power. And the other one that's prominent is the Yamoto bloodline which is again thought to be an offshoot of the original Shaw dynasties with the original empires that came down to the early 1900s was a consistent continuation of the same empire even though they have different names over different periods, same bloodlines. And then all the, for the most part, all of the Asian, Southeast Asia kings were bloodlines of the Shaw Dynasty as well because they just were expanding their empire. So we see really, you know, what the hegemony of say things like bricks over the region and with with China's geopolitical influence, that's definitely more of the spiritual domain. So that bloodline rules that region and has a pretty good firm lock on that region from what you're describing. So it's in a geographic sense, is it, in your opinion, probably the most locked down of those kinds of regions? Yeah. So for me is, and Japanese would, you know, they recognize the tradition of the start of their dynasty around 600 BC. They may not say, well, that was coming from the Chinese, they create another almost creation story in the beginning of people and dynasty in that mythos. So the question for me is, is that a separate bloodline or regarded as a separate bloodline? And is that ruled over by a separate fallen angel of the council of the gods? Or is it the same? Because if you start up, dynasties, it follows the hierarchy back to the original one that seated that new kingdom back to the same sort of patriarchal celestial mafia godfather. So I look at Japan though as a separate entity. So I think that's a separate bloodline just and the Chinese wanted separate from that. And I would also look at when we look at it in some end time prophecy now with Ezekiel 38, we're talking about ergia. Remember, there's two Persians. Indus Valley, but we would know as Persia that's going to be mostly Iran and Iraq and those countries in that region. But Persia could also mean their, the Indus Valley patriarchs as well. So when Persia is part of that alliance of the Ten Kings, which one is it referring to? Is it all one or two separate ones? And are, yeah, are they part and is the one in India is that part of the kings of the east because they're further east. Probably part of the kings of the east. I think there's. And they may not be sort of understood as Persia and we're just going to get them biblically as the kings of the east and the New Testament. But there's, there's going to be that, that group in there as well. That's going to be dominant. And today, you know, if we overlay that, okay, we think this is the end time, then somehow India is going to play a big part and they're part of that organizational structure with. China and Russia already today, you've got two of the five, I mean, might as well put Iran in there if they're going to be part of that as well. But maybe with what happens Iran as we know it as Persia kind of gets almost destroyed and maybe that's going to fall under the influence of India. I mean, who knows? And the empire of the old Persia stretch, as you just said, all the way to the end is valid. Yes. Yes. And so contextually, it makes sense. Like even historically, the narrative that God has kept detailed to that degree, stationing them to their boundaries. And I agree with you. And why Alexander went that far, he wanted to have the greatest empire ever and get to those far sides and then extend further so that he could become a greater empire. Well, and I agree with you with the Japanese Chinese being different because you look at the last century and the annihilation that the Japanese did in war even that doesn't make sense without a spiritual backing. Yeah, just the total depravity. And we don't know how the situation between the Sunni and the Shia is going to resolve itself. The Western bloodlines would have a massive war there to get rid of one of the groups and then fold the survivor in with them. What do you think is the most likely outcome? Because from the last statistic I saw, Islam has overtaken Christianity as the dominant religion with 1.69 billion people in adherence. And it's like 70, 30 within that of Sunni and Shia. Well, something catastrophic will have to happen to Islam because I don't think under any profit or catastrophes that sort of worldwide that will fold them into the polytheist religion. So the way you make that happen then is you create this war between the two and they all but take themselves out of complete influence. But we do know as well, I think you could deduce is that an Islamic universal religion is not likely to be the case because under any circumstance they will not permit under all circumstances they will not permit in any way, shape or form for the Jewish people to build a temple on the wing of the existing temple. And to start their sacrifices. That just can't that just can't coexist. And traditionally for the last 50, 60 years Iran has been the and I always get it backwards. So correct me please if I'm a speak. They've been the backer of Sunni Islam. And so you can kind of see the fermentation of what you're talking about like for the necessity because the other is farm neither is truly that tolerant. But the other is far more tolerant in a non-nominational that's not the right word inner faith sense. Even in the had decent they have different had decent each set there's a lot there's more than one set or two sex. There is two mahi's or mahi's depending on how you want to pronounce that and one wins. So in each of them will look at that mock the as being their Messiah. So there's a lot pointing that there's going to be a lot of internal destruction there at some point. When with the stuff going on Iran this is probably the first time I've heard several astrianism like talked about on the news if you want to call X the news but you know I mean that's like the first time I've seen it brought up they're like yeah it's the thing that it seems like we're building to that was or I knew a man once when I was going through I did donated plasma for a long time before I knew any better and he was a he was a nurse and he was a Zuri an astrian or however you say that adherent of Zuri an astrianism and I learned a lot about it and I didn't know that they have a and this you know the occult they all have things they claim to is for their legitimacy and everything. So they have and Christianity has a similar claimed miracle within its occult practices so I see a correlation here of they have a fire that they claim has not been extinguished in like a millennia or longer and then Christianity has a similar or sect of Christianity has a similar miracle that they claim that takes place epiphany or or feasts one of those where there's a fire that is continuously going is there any significance to that within Zuri an astrianism with the fire because it reminds me of the mythos of Prometheus and the continual fire there. You're talking a little earlier that there's a thought that Zuri an astrian was monotheistic at some point in time or at least closer to the religion of Abraham and even in the Kran when they talk about the ends that's kind of who is being referenced is is is Doroastrianisms and they kind of include them in as people from amongst the book or a holy scripture that they would have once had. But they became corrupted into polytheism so from their perspective and I'm not trying to you know be speak for them but it would suggest that we should see some monotheism within that right right okay so when we look at the Zoroastrianism one of their main important gods is Mithra right and Mithra is was the branch religion of Zoroastrianism in Rome at the time Christianity was rising and gets merged into much of Christianity with Constantine he was the bold D a D correct that they they sacrificed a bulls to yeah I believe so yeah and they were the white or the red caps correct yes and considered almost like an Odin type of God right pop a smurf yeah well no Odin is in the North the horn God correct yes sir Sir no no sir or sir or pan and is it destroyer God like Shiva but understand this is from the Persian versus the the western Persian versus the Sanskrit Shiva would be more the equivalent but Mithra has the same understanding as being a destroyer God with fire and incarnates in the end time into Lord which is a transliteration of Mithra oh wow the anti Christ type figure right and when you look at Baffo mat that the Templars worship is a he's a he's a goat God he's a horn God a pan God that all the knowledge comes from easily degraded goat God like the Zazel was originally Saraphim but is the scapegoat as that as a Zel Hebrew word comes up with the scapegoat that sacrificed on the day of atonement that we're not told what the sins are for it's probably for the anti to the Lovian world and he's a destroyer God he taught all the arts and crafts of war so Baffo isn't the usual etymology that people will generally talk about on that and it's actually if you look at French Papa it's sort of that's the of "paire" or "father." And "bapa" or "bapo" is also understood as "papa" as a transliteration for the informal into French. And as you take that back into Indo-Aryan or into Sanskrit area, "bapa" means "father" as an informal way. So "bapho mat" is "father Mitra" that they're worshiping. And also understanding as the source of all wisdom, just as Azazel was the one you provided the most wisdom. So when we're trying to understand the connection between Eastern religions and Western religions and end time prophecy as seen through the polytheist lens, we don't understand all of the allegories and double-entendreys that they're using all the way through. So now when we start to connect all of that, we go back to why the heck do we have "sater gods" in Lewis's characters, Bacchus and Timus? When this is clearly going to be the one that is going to be the avatar from polytheists perspective with the coming antichrist. It is insane. That's an incarnation. Well, and even the most basic one like Bathameth, right? Like in his depiction in the mainstream media as a goat deity. And just not the, I don't know if it's just the inability for folks to look and see the origin of that or to look and see the relationship with the sater. I think I mentioned last time we spoke about the in Isaiah and the Latin Volgate. It translates it as the sater in the screech owl. And that ties in with the theology of the region, correct? At the time when that prophecy was written, the egregic peoples, correct? And that goes back to what we're talking about. So in that portion of the scripture, it's straight up referencing these two things that you just mentioned, these two deities, the male and the female deities in the negative light. And that's the continual theme, right? The inversion of the male and the female, the chief deities are always female or male in these pantheons. So with Bathameth, right? You said it literally turns out to me like pop of Mithra or father Mithra. So that kind of harkens back to the Odin who he was called all father or the all father as well. So you mentioned earlier superhero movies, kind of transcend all of these mythical boundaries and bring it into the mainstream. Do you see that as a medium to for these false deities to streamline the process of bringing forth their, their perceived modern version of the token or Lewis? Well, it is for sure, but it's more it's more eyes. What it's to get us used to the idea of a superhuman and that they're going to be promising that because we get an evolution of that. It's like the next level of humanity, right? It's kind of kind of the allegory that's in there. And a connection here and back to the sacrifice that you were talking about at Christmas, the gods of the pantheon, no matter which aspect of the ruling ones, they're all considered bulls as well. There's and there's ones that actually have a bull's head, but all the gods were considered bulls and their offspring were considered bulls as well. So when you get into like the creation of Gilgamesh in the epic of Gilgamesh, he's going to have a mother goddess whose name is Nyn who's a fertility bull goddess and father King Lugovanda is the proponent there. And Gilgamesh is called a wild bull. In the eukaryotic text, the gods are all called bulls. And so are they offspring? The Rha'eem are called bulls. These are the bulls of the shant. That's what my next question was. And they're the ones that are mocking Jesus on the cross. And so when he says that like, you know, physically there weren't bulls running around him at that at Galgotha, but he is speaking to the defeat of these spirits and to their to their bloodlines and the rulers in this world. Well, they are, but those bloodlines and rulers, they're invisible. Nobody else can see them because they're in spirit form there, right? And they're mocking him. Why? Because they believe they won. And first Corinthians tells us that had they anticipated their resurrection, they wouldn't have had them crucified. But they're celebrating at this point. They're mocking him. That's one of my favorite scriptures that you've brought to light that when you take the understanding that you've brought to the table for our faith and the study and the research that you have, that verse in 1 Corinthians that you just mentioned where it says that Christ made a spectacle of them. It doesn't make sense without the context. It doesn't make sense without what you're saying. Yeah. So like Pete, in the grave in 1 Peter 3, he's talking to these spirits who send at the time of the flood, right? Right. And, you know, it takes a bit of a story to tell the whole story here. And now we say, well, I'm speculating he's basically telling them that, you know, when I resurrect that your resurrection is over. But if you want to, if people want to piece that together and I don't know whether we've covered this on past shows or not, but go to Colossians 2 where it's talking about rudiments or elementals, stoic in and fallen angels like spoiled principalities and powers. And where Jesus triumphs over them and in about verse and it talks about making a spectacle of these beings, right? And that's referencing Ephesians 4 8 where Jesus takes the captivity captives, which is a really bizarre term, shows up two other times in the Bible, one in Judges 5 12. And it actually means prisoners in Judges 5 12. But also it's in where you get the full story and what you learn in Ephesians 4 8 is he's quoting Psalms 68 directly of captive captivity, captives. And what happens there is in the time of when Jesus is ascending, he is aching these prisoners to mount hermit, the bulls of Bishan back to Bishan, back to the mount of Bishan and pronouncing judgment over them. That's the spectacle and that's the pronouncing of their sense to going to the lake of fire and that's already now sealed. And it's so beautiful because Christ came to do, fulfill all things in the flesh so that they could be fulfilled in the spirit as well. So when he says with Peter, a lot of people take the behold, specifically Catholicism, behold, I build this church upon this rock in the gates of hell, should not prevail. Context again matters. Yes. As what he was saying, it was in front of that the temple to pain. There at the base of that mountain range. And so he did it in the flesh, he pronounced the judgment. And then at the crucifixion, he did what and the resurrection, he did what you just said. And so if you don't even and even the gates of Haiti won't overcome this, he said that right at the base of Mount Hermann, right at the cave, which is known as the gate of Hades, this is the council of the gods of the Baleen council. That's called Safon in the Eucharitic text and people would have you believe that's closer to tear on the Mediterranean river. Well, Safon in the Semitic means North. Safon in Hebrew means North. Bishan is the mountain of the North, Safon and it's called that several times. I won't go through all of it, but understand that's where the council of the gods is located too. That's where the assembly of the Tattani of the Giants was located, where they received their authority to rule from the council of the gods. And it's incredible because when you take a look at all of the origin stories, whether it's Shinuism in Japan or in Mesoamerica or in Greek mythology, there's always a mountain. There's always the high place they descend from, right? And it goes back to put a nice bow on it and bring it back to what we began with. Even in the beginning of Louis's works, it's a high place because they go to a different realm. They go to this forest. They go to this grove. even together. to the wardrobe that goes in and attic, isn't it? Well, yes, in that. The wardrobe created from a tree. In the movie, it's placed in an attic. So even a go-to high place to get to the wardrobe. But it was created from a tree that was from a different realm, essentially. Which makes sense. Because the origin story is of the whole world of Narnia is in a grove with pools and looking pools into different realms and territories. And in polytheism, there's seven holy mountains. Right. And probably eight holy mountains, probably seven ones around the world for the seven wandering stars. And then the, where Satan sits, where the council of gods is located at. And that same seven would have in the understanding a gateway to Hades in a portal. So I've heard people say in a modern sense, you know, in Revelation, Jesus says, he knows where Satan seat is in Pergium. Throughout history, we see, you know, the museum in Berlin took piece of Pergium before Hitler was born, his stage was modeled, etc. Where would you put as the mountain or the seat of the fallen, fallen one Satan today? I've heard people speculate that it was in Denver because of the, because of multiple reasons. But I can say because the Broncos, I would still put it back at Mount Hermann. I would too. I've just, I've heard a lot of weird speculation about his seat current residing. Well, and, but again, we have to be careful in terms of how we understand polytheism and how the Bible gives us information about them. So every seat is a throne, right? Because it's counterfeiting of the throne of God. And the mountain of God, where his assembly is, right? And so each of the seven are going to have their own seat and mountain. And then if there's any other additional kingdoms offshoot of that as the world expands and populates, there's going to be another seat. But to keep it simple, there's seven and there's probably the eighth because you get seven and eight as an important number in polytheism. And Satan would sit above the, the council of the gods. I would say that you would have, you know, seven plus Satan's seat. And I would also look towards something to do with Rome as well in terms of how this all sort of fits in with their septumonium of seven hills, which is kind of a representation of the seven holy mountains. And that's likely going to be the seat of idolatry in the end time until Babylon is destroyed and it's established in Jerusalem. So yeah, we have, we should be very well aware of that high places are just normal places of worship. But then there's a hierarchy of high places. Right. And each nation, even though it may be seated by another kingdom, is going to have their holy mountain as well. So for our countries, because we're in two different countries, but we were seated by another nation, so to speak. Yeah. Do you have an idea or a presumption of in our countries what they are? No, I really don't. It's because you wonder whether or not it's going back to a connection back to Great Britain. Right. Right. Or is it going back to the mountain that the first nations sort of worshiped, even though they may have multiple of those, what was that original one? So it's hard to know. Well, like in our country, originally, DC was called Rome before it became known as DC. And now, restaurant, Mount Resmore was a place of worship for the Native and the six fathers. Yeah. And there's the big horn mountains in Texas. Same thing was a place of worship. So DC is one though, and it's a city on a hill. And that's kind of in your face that it's a high place. But do you think that in America, it's easier to identify than in Canada? Yeah, probably. I mean, there's so many mountains. I mean, there's so many mountains in both countries and different mountain ranges. So I can't point to one that would make sense to me in Canada as that mountain. But again, it could be one that includes Canada and the US. That's what I was about to ask next was this. So it could be in the US. I mean, it could be Canada, but I can't point to anything that I would even throw in there. Have you ever been to Denver? Because it's up there on the list for a fraction. Well, certainly a possibility. Yeah. So I know we're running low on time. And I just had like a two part question for you, Gary. Sure. So our government's been really pushing the age of disclosure and UFOs and aliens. So I was kind of curious, do you think that is pushing the agenda, the same agenda that these polytheists have been pushing for years? Or is it legit? And then my second question is, do you think the gray aliens are a physical being? And are they descended from the Nephilim as well? Are they something else out of that creation? Yeah, they're a Nephilim-like creation. They're part of the elementals that I talked about in Galatians 4, you can see actual elementals. Just use lake and closions to with the rudiments, same Greek word stoician. And they enslave us in this earth. And so in the occult, there's four groups of elementals, one's a large being that's taller than a human, a reptilian, a salamander. And then you have three groups of fairy groups. Within that, you have the ugly ones that we were talking about earlier, where the gnomes are grouped in as long with the trolls and the hobbits and elves. And so there's a group in there with the gnomes that they are little people and they have UAPs, UFOs as we would recognize them. They come through fairy portals, fairy domins, they kidnap people, they do sexual experimentation on them. The description of their kidnappings of people and their descriptions of their flying machines of how they're described are identical to them. They're called the gray gnomes or the gray fairies, the gray neighbors, but all gray's and they're identical to the gray aliens. But we look at in terms of polytheism, is all of these different groups and there's many under each of those groups. So you're going to have good looking ones like nymphs, for example, and a whole list of ones that are in there. We have lepercons, which are part of the mischievous ones in the menu A. And have these groups all over the world. But they're all created from the gods as well. Now there might be something else going on there because they're small. So there might be some DNA manipulation going in there. And a lot of these elementals have change link capability as well, as it seems to go with the elementals. So do I think the grays are a physical little spindly being? Yes I do. And there are fairy stories of these abductions all throughout our history. I put two in book one. If you don't know the difference, then between a fairy and a gray alien, there isn't, as they are the same. I mean, if I have a lot of Native American mythologies that I've dealt quite heavily into and origin stories, and all of them speak to their own as well with the little people. And they have different classes of little people as well. Same, same three groups, a little one. Right. So do you think our government pushing this disclosure is to prime us for something? But they're moving us into a direction. And everything that's happening is trying to get us to this nexus point, right? Whether or not it's the time when you have to disclose fully what they have at Antarctica, whether or not it is the pushing of doubling down on AI to get it to a level where they can get to the technology and the implant system that the Davos crew wanted. That's why not this year, but last year, everybody was sent back and marching orders to create faster, better AI. The problem is, is all of these things that they're trying to do to get to this point where they're going to do and say whatever they're going to say, there's issues, there's obstacles. And in this case, what the AI, what the latter is, they don't have enough electricity. Right. And it takes huge amounts of water to cool it. And so the only way to do that is you're going to have to build nuclear plants or you're going to have to cut our off from humans because we're the competition for it. And in the meantime, they're trying to get us all over to electricity on everything. And yet they know they don't have enough electricity and the AI advancement is going to stall sometime this year because they won't be able to power it. More theory. Well, Gary, I am always, it's always a plethora of information. I feel like I have to chew on too. You know, I've read your book now and I'm still working on the second one. But it's just, I have always admirable of the years of your life that you have put towards this. And if nobody's thanked you for it, we want to make sure that you know that we are very appreciative of it because for me, you have been a huge cat. A lot of us are very grateful to you, our panelists in our faith, in the modern time for those of us who are aware of you to to kind of go against the mold to give us the background, the source material to say, hey, no, we might know these things aren't correct. And that's a little nostasis and creeping in. But you've really helped for us who don't have the shovels to dig. You've done a lot of the digging for us. And that's something that the body of Christ has a huge admirable debt to you. I've just placed that calling on you for this reason. Well, I appreciate that. And you know, when I started to talk a number of years ago about Tolkien and Lewis, it was I was thinking about what would be one of the easiest things to put on the table to get to people to think about how this world really works. And I thought that would be a classic example. What I wasn't understanding fully and I needed to learn like several times over. Because you see it all sorts of different aspects is that people don't want to always know. Yeah. And they're not going to change their mind no matter how much evidence you can present or how much scripture you can present. It doesn't matter. They're not going to move off of that. But what I also learned was it does resonate through to some and hopefully more than I'm aware of. And all I'm trying to do with my research. And when I go on shows is to try and make more sense to people of how this world works. And how we can better understand it and to provide information on things whether or not. People like the information or not. I get why because I went through a lot of this cognizant dissonance on the way myself. I mean, I get it. But once you know how the world works, it's become simpler. And you can you can understand things better. It doesn't mean you're not going to not going to be frustrated. So it's part of, you know, it's all part of the mix of what I try and do because everything has a contrarian that I do. And I'm not trying to be a contrarian. I'm trying to be a contrarian. And I'm trying to be a contrarian. And that even though it wasn't presented to me in its full vivid view, because that probably would have scared the socks off of me too much. Yeah. Because you look at, you know, you know, Hercules. Okay. So what's this guy all about? Well, how is he the offspring of a god? Yeah. I mean, I wasn't explained to you that he was a giant, right? But I, so I kind of thought this is, this can't be all just creative writing. This is in when you see so much of it, you say, okay, well, get it. I saw this. I saw that over there. I could see the patterns when I was young, but I didn't put any of that all together. And in fact, when I started to, on my, you know, path back to Christ, and I was trying to research the Bible to see whether Halenzi was lying on everything on his prophet. He's there. Everything on his prophecies or accurate or at a context or whatever. And I had to go and read him into the Bible. I mean, what I got to Genesis 6. And I read about the giants, even though I had read all of this stuff. I just said, whatever that is, that's not what I'm here for. And I don't want to be part of that set cognizant dissonance. Because now it's saying, but that's the same story as Zeus and Elkmane and Hercules. But I'm saying, no, I'm here about prophecy. I don't want anything to do with that. But the more I researched the Bible, the more I saw these giants. And then I said, okay, I already know this. But still, I didn't want to deal with it. So when I started to write book one, it wasn't going to have anything about mythology or other cultures in there. And I got the first 10 chapters done pretty quick to try and connect. And Genesis 6 with Revelation is what the thought was what I was going to do. But then I just couldn't resist. I know this is the same story. I need to put a little bit in about the Greek and the Sumerian cultures. And then it just sort of snowballed from there. Well, we're thankful for that. But the simple answer is, is, yeah, I did not. I was not convinced that these were made up characters. I mean, how could people, I mean, I was thinking like, so these great authors like Hesseont and Homer. It's made up. Yeah, they just made it up because they're historians. Or Pliny the Elder. Yeah, come on. How is that? But people accept that, right? Because what I can't be true. That's just too crazy. Well, Gary, I'm glad that you've always had that child's heart in that regard and that belief because I think the body of Christ is very much stronger for it. And that through your perseverance, you've presented a work of data that will out, outlive you by a long time and us because we appreciate you greatly. Because I mean, you know, I can tell you're a legit person because you can see your fruit. You know, you're willing to come on our show repeatedly and you're not really gaining anything from it. You're just giving. And I think that's a real test of character. I think it's a real test of faith too. And it's not just not just us. You do it with lots of different shows. And I think that it speaks to your desire to serve too. And so we're very appreciative. We're going to give you your flowers because we don't have a little send of that. We like you. Well, we thank you for that. And so and just like when we're talking about, and I'll close on this is. When we're talking about Tolkien and Lewis is you decide as a person out there. If you think that that's Christian writing or ball, you can decide whatever you want to decide. If you think that's a Christian writing about all the theist things, that's okay. That's up to you. I'm only there to say here's what they wrote. Here's what they said. And when you call the Bible a fairy tale. And the fairy tale has a you catastrophe in it. And that's the Nostek belief system with Jesus not dying on the cross. You don't have to connect a lot of dots. But everybody is free to believe what they want to believe. And with that, will you have your books coming out April 1st remind me of the name. It's called the oprimal conspiracy. A eyes covenant with Babylon and it's to try and get people involved with how the world is. Looking a day as we look into how the end time is likely to come about. And it's done through with my research for the people and the characters and my eschatology and my chronology. Well, we'll definitely have to have you back on afterwards to give a raving review. and to dive into it a little bit more after we have a chance to read it. But on the topic of choice, we wanna remind everybody that this is the day of your choice, that if you have not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior, that there is no better day than this time and now. And so you're not promised another minute, you're not promised the rest of this hour. So choose this day whom you will serve, but as for us in our house, we shall serve the risen King Jesus Christ. - All right, everybody, go pre-order Gary's book, Amazon, Ad His and His website. And if people want more of the information on token, they can email you. - Yes, just be very patient. - Yeah, so if you guys want the receipts, Gary has the receipts, just be patient. - And if anybody you can email him to ask Gary and if anybody wants them, they can always reach out to us too, and we can formalize. - That's the easiest way of probably getting it out to your audience, a lot faster that way. So, and the reason why I did the documents is, I do like to document things, but I just thought that if I was going to talk about them, I should have things that people could look at. - Receipts. - Yeah, so it's a six part series. - Cool. - All right, everybody, that's the episode for today. For today, Gary Wayne, everybody, ooh. - Ooh. - Ooh. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you.