#017 - Peter Crone: Dissolving 20 Years of Fear in 97 Minutes

- Peter, I can't lie, I'm nervous. I'm nervous, 'cause I'm a mastermind of yours. I've been doing it. - Oh, okay, amazing. - And I'm familiar with your work, and I've, I think, as I was prepping for this podcast, often I do intros for guests, but I couldn't think of anything other than a heartfelt thank you for you, for no one's work has touched my life more than you. - Wow. - Shifted the way that I see the world inspired a sense of clarity and inspiration and creativity, and desire to impact the world, no one's touched my life more than you. So first off, just a massive thank you for, for your energy, effort, and presence, because it's taught me more about myself and the way I want to impact the world than anyone, so. - Well, I can think of a more moving intro than that, so I'm kinda glad you didn't think of one. That's, we've never met, and I apologize. I didn't realize you'd been in my mastermind, but we're just launching mastermind 10 now, which is quite a milestone. And I have a big live event tonight, and a large majority of the crowd will be masterminders, 'cause they're here for the retreat, the library this weekend. And I was showing somebody a clip of all the testimonials that people kindly submit afterwards, and I was in tears showing him, you know, just sort of might seem weird, but being the one delivering the content, but then to see the impact it has, so this obviously is perfect timing on the back of that, so thank you, that means a lot, I really do, so I really feel the depth of sincerity behind what you just shared, so I'm glad it's touched with life. I still, you know, I'm so humbled by the number of people who stopped me out there in the world, I was just sort of traveling around Europe for five weeks, and then the most random of places, a little juice bar in Ibiza, three people stopped me, and then walking through Stuttgart Airport, somebody stops me, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's incredible. - It's magical. - So I wanted to be here, and thank you for your commitment to the work. - Oh, beautiful, yeah, you're just sitting in the mastermind, I've been brought to tears on multiple occasions, watching the transformation happen. Before my eyes, so I will assert, I know that people, sometimes wonder if they're gonna get directly coached, you know, and I didn't, but I got the transformation that I was there for, purely for, the breakthroughs that other people were having. - Yeah. - As I think about where I wanna begin with you, there's a quote that maybe has underpinned the thesis of your work, and it is that, you said everything, and I mean, literally everything, in life is solely for the purpose of liberating the soul that you are, nothing else matters, realize that all your fear and suffering is made up, nothing on the human level is important, aside from that one objective, to get caught up in the human drama, is to miss the entire point of being human. The game is to break free from that and realize that you, my friend, are fucking unstoppable. - Yeah. - And as I think about what my ultimate desire is, and I would assert everybody who's gonna listen to this, it's really to break free and become entirely unencumbered so that they can be fucking unstoppable. - Yeah, yeah. - And so no pressure, but how would you summarize what it takes and what it looks like for a human to free themselves and become unstoppable? - I mean, I move to tears, I know they're my words, but it's, I got goose bumps, like that's obviously what I read in the mastermind. I love the sort of little additions you had there of being fucking unstoppable, although I dropped the F-bomb quite a lot in the mastermind. Gosh, yeah, I mean, just hearing you say my words back to me, it's inspiring for me, even though I lead this mastermind program, it is the raison d'etre for being human, it's why we're here. Obviously, the whole point of getting caught up in the human dramas of trying to make money, get followers, find the right one, you know, get a dream home and all the trappings of people one in life, it's very seductive and it seems to be where our focus should be. But as again, my words say, it's missing the whole point. So to break free is it's why we're here as souls. I think this dimension of planet earth, its soul intention is to see who we really are, right? Through the beauty of our surroundings, which are obviously sadly get so compromised and ruined and abused because we're coming from the scarcity and inadequacy and insecurity of the human drama, but just that reframe, if people really get what you just read, like it will change their entire life moving forward from this point, right? It's like, oh wait, I thought I just had to lose a bit of weight and keep my parents happy by being a attorney and then I'd be okay. So what does it mean? I mean, we could spend the whole podcast talking about real freedom, but it's freedom from all imitation, freedom from fear, freedom from suffering, freedom from disease, freedom from scarcity, freedom from disharming, to be totally at peace with who you are, where you are and whatever is around you to not be a victim or at the effect of life is to be totally free and to realize in a non-egotistical way that we are what we're looking for. You know, the expression of where we look from is what we're looking for. It just gets so bamboozled by the lenses we look through. If I'm not enough, I'm not loved, I'm not wanted and then we try to compensate for that. But underneath it, the essence of who we are, the true timeless, boundless, limitless beings, that's what we're here to discover. Have you used the quote, I think it's a Marcel Pouce quote, but the journey of true discovery lies not in seeking new landscapes, but in looking through new eye. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I suppose on a practical level when you say what you really want people to get and it's not to lose 30 pounds, it's not that I need a million followers on Instagram. What is the thing that you hope people get? - I mean, there are many bad fellow words, but I mean, it starts with freedom, right? What I want people to realize is the essence of who they are, which is all of these inherent qualities of the soul. Like really what I'm teaching people is a new language, but it's the language that is commensurate with the qualities that are innate to the soul you are. So freedom is one, love is who you are, power is who you are, worth is who you are, creativity is who you are. These qualities are innate. So that's what I want people to discover. The inherent essence of the being that they are. - I mean, I feel like everything you're saying, I could bring up different quotes that you've used and people you've wrote it, you know, the roomy one that don't seek for love, seek for all the barriers you've built in the way of love. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You break down these, your book's been coming out for 28,000 years, and at some point, - I'm waiting 'til the 30,000 year, 'til that's when the thousand sweet spot for marketing. - Me too. I'm hoping I'll be alive for the time it finally comes out. - But I think it's 10, is it 10 prisons you talk about? Are you opposed to breaking those 10 prisons down? - Not opposed to, but I think just by virtue of the fact that they're in the book, you know, but we can talk certainly to a couple, maybe a couple that you know touched you as well. - I was gonna say fucking all of them in some way, and on the edge of my seat to discover what seems to be the one that has laced my life, because I've listened to many of your podcasts in the course of the past few years, and the recognition that oftentimes what is meant to be an interview turns into someone dissolving the greatest barrier to their sense of freedom. And so the sort of dance for me of, you know, where we go there. (laughing) - Whatever you want, I'm open to. - Well, I suppose I'll start, and I was gonna sort of hold this off for later, but this quote that has touched me in amazing ways, because truthfully, we've seen a great deal of success on this podcast in the past 12 weeks, and it can be quite an allusion to see from the outside how well things are going. But at the same time, life vulnerability for me has been quite dark in many moments, and you share this quote that says that suicidal ideation is one of the most poignant times in a human beings existence. - Yeah. - He said, "We've all probably been there. I know I have." The eye that says, "It's worthless for me to be here. I'm worthless. I want to die." - Yeah. - "The essence of who you are first of all never dies, but there is a part of you that is asking to die." And that's entirely different. Because in order to be alive, you have to constantly die to the idea of yourself. That's true liberation. Realize you do not want to die. There's just a part of your narrative that is founded in limitation that is asking to be relinquished, to die to let go of, because the bigger essence of you is wanting to be born. That is a form of death, but it's also the most incredible expression of life. Don't take your life. Let go of the story that's currently suffocating the life that you are. - I don't know who says this shit, but I want to meet them. - I do too. Fuck, I'm glad to be saying fun to him. I'm not being fast. - That's awful. I mean, yeah, I sometimes wonder people are like, do you like a channel? I'm like, I think so, you know? Because so, I mean, you've now obviously read back a couple of things that I've shared, and that video obviously got a lot of attention on Instagram just because it's such a unique reframe for people, you know, that sadly either have the idea of taking their lives or attempt or sadly do take their lives. And to be able to recontextualize it in that way was so, like, I mean, the comments on that one reel are like, so moving, some people said, this reel just saved my life, right? I mean, how do you quit? quantify that. So to hear you read back, I mean, I can hear myself saying it. I can see the video of me saying it, but it does give me chills. It's, yeah, I feel blessed to be able to bring this content to the world. Yeah. I suppose before we go into me, like, if you were to reflect on the moment in your life in which that has been a pertinent conversation for you, what have you had to be linked to in order to become fully alive? A great question. I think, you know, the most poignant times in my life that would sort of embody that energy and that frequency of experience of apathy, of hopelessness, of powerlessness is obviously when my dad died, mostly. My mum, I was seven when she died. So as a seven-year-old, there's just no ability to process what's happening, right? But when I'm 17, my mum's already died. I'm an only child. So now it's sort of my main care provider, my everything. It's just a two of us. I did have a sort of a step mum in the picture. My dad had not remarried, but she'd moved in about four, five years after my mum had died. But I can remember standing in my bedroom by myself, my bedroom that had been mine since I was pretty too. We'd lived in a house for the first couple of years. My life down on the same street, but to be standing in that room, for me was one of the most powerful experiences, albeit at the time horrific, which was the feeling of complete and utter visceral isolation, like I am alone, not as a sort of a perspective of the ego, which by design is a separate entity where we can be married and have kids, but still feel alone, right? I see that with a lot of people I help. But I was, for all intents and purposes, alone, literally. And so I can't think of anything that is more impactful, devastating, and difficult for a human being than that sense of solitary confinement, which is why that's what prisoners get, you know, as the ultimate expression of consequence, you know? So that's that led to both the feeling of desperation and hopelessness, but then also on the other side of it, there was this profound recognition of is that really what my dad would have wanted for me, you know? And of course it wouldn't be, you know, he would be doubly devastated if I then took my life, you know? So I think in ways that I didn't fully understand at the time is sort of charged and laid the foundation for the life that I now lead, which is to help mitigate and remove human suffering, recognizing through the visceral experience of isolation, how the design of the ego is that entity of separation that creates so much of the suffering that people experience. So it's almost like I had to go to the depths of the real physical experience of it to understand the analogous experience of it as an identity. Yeah. That it's horrible for somebody to live in a world where they're feeling isolated, alone, worthless, insecure, not safe, not loved, not wanted, not like that. That is the root of all suffering. So it was sort of from grief to gratitude, it was from desperation to direction, you know, where I started to see, wait a minute, I'm charging an opportunity, a bit not well founded at that age of 17, but now I realize, wow, that probably served me well in the long run to have the depth of compassion and empathy that I'm able to bring people that, you know, you see in the mastermind. It's quite a mature realization to have at 17. Yeah. As I said, it wasn't fully formed, but it's sort of the seeds were certainly planted. Yeah. Yeah. Was there a moment I know I've heard you talk about the relationship that ended and the epiphany that you had? Would you say that that sort of moment was the catalyzing of the shift for you? I suppose what I'm wanting to really understand is when did you know that you were meant to impact people in the way that you are? I mean, I didn't even at that moment, I was pretty young, but you know, late 20s, I didn't know to what degree it would translate to what I'm doing now and the impact that I'm having, where as I said, I'm stopped all around the world and often by people in real tears, you know, of gratitude, which is still so humbling and sometimes hard to comprehend, but I just saw things in a way that I'd never seen them before. So without having even at that moment worked with anyone, I just knew that I could understand human behaviour and patenting at a level that I'd never heard anyone comprehend. So without even having my first client or my first mastermind or my first keynote or my first live event, like I could see that as a predictable future. I don't know if there was a distinct moment where I felt like, oh, okay, this is it. I mean, being in the heel documentary, that was sort of my first foray onto a public, you know, platform that was bigger than me just helping a sports team or some VIPs, you know? So I think that was pivotal, like showing up for the premiere of that movie that definitely gave me a feeling of stepping into a new iteration of myself that I hadn't had to access before. Yeah. Has there been some, it seems like there's some stroke of divinity in the sort of events of your life that have transpired to put you in this place? Very much so. It's still staggering to me, like how, like I was just five weeks in Europe as speaking at two big events in Stockholm, I've never been there before. The people I met there have led to a myriad of opportunities. I then went to Ibiza, just for a little break, but again, Brandon's people that has now equally cascaded into different possibilities. Then I went to London, did my big event for 1,500 people, which was extraordinary, spoke at the health conference. In the meantime, when I got to Stockholm, I got a text from a friend who said, oh, we haven't got your RSVP and I said to what? He said, I'm getting married. I'm like, you're doing what? And so it was amazing, but at the same time, I didn't know about it because it sent it to an old email that I don't use anymore. So very quickly, we've changed flights. I happened to be in London. I was supposed to fly to Germany to go to this medical spa. We bumped it back two days. I rented a car from London, drove four hours to Shrewsbury not far from your hood, and went to this beautiful man-a-house for a wedding, where I happened to sit next to a woman at the reception dinner, who then invited me to Burning Man, which I've been invited to a million times, and I'm sure your listeners will have all sorts of reactions. Somebody's like, yeah, he's a burner, you know? Whatever, I've never been. It's never appealed to me. I don't like heat, and that is the quintessential expression of both. But just for some reason, I've been in this flow of, yes. And so, towards your question about this divinity that's flowing through my life, it has not stopped, and seemingly ever, but in a way that feels so apparent to me, so that's led to that. Then I went to Germany, met somebody else, and I came back to London, I went to Wimbledon, because I'm friends with a couple of pros, and I might work with some, but also retired brothers, the Bryan Brothers, with 120 plus majors, which is incredible. I was there on the Friday, it was exquisite. I did a little talk in six senses on the Thursday, a fireside chat, because I'm going to do a tour with six senses around the world next year. But then somebody shows up there who's just beautiful, and we connect, who I would never have known. She then comes to Wimbledon with me on the Monday, which was an incredible day, but Friday, the Bryan Brothers says, hey, we've got a special day tomorrow, and I was like, what's that? We're in the raw box on center court. I'm like, what the fuck? You know, even for Peter Grown, that was a could not see that coming moment. Yeah, I didn't even have a suit. I had a tuxedo, because I was at the wedding, but I said, I'm not wearing a tuxedo. For he, my friend, who's the Bryan Brothers, who's just his legend, they've won Wimbledon four times. He said, I was weird, because I, for some reason, bought a second suit, and I didn't know why I should. And we're like literally like twins, brother size, and brothers like the same size. So I wore his suit, you know, in the raw box. Unfortunately, he was wearing my socks, so I thought I could, I could chew it at least something. So yes, I feel, I've often said, like the most blessed man alive. And that's just the last few weeks. And let alone was just transpired in the last couple of days being here. I ran into a friend today at the hotel. I was having breakfast meeting the friend I went to a whiteboard session with somebody who wants to help expand my business, because he sees that this is literally shifting the course of humanity. And I saw a friend that I used to coach tennis in Upper State, New York at a camp for boys, who I haven't seen for like 27 years. You just walk past and who knows where that conversation is going to lead. So yeah, I guess I'm a living proof of the work that when you're in this high frequency, then as you know, frequency proceeds form, and the form of my life seems to be reflecting the high vibes that I live from. So in an attempt to want to maybe decode that perspective and give it to those that are listening myself included, what is the perspective and way of moving through the world that is required to tap into that sense of divinity? Yeah, beautiful question. So it's actually sort of seems counterintuitive, which is it's less about how do I tap into it and how to quote Rumi, do I remove the barriers I've built against it? So I'm in the barrier removal business. Right? So that's why you've heard me say I don't solve problems, I dissolve them. So I clearly have done a pretty good job and I don't wish to tempt fate because who knows anything can happen. But like if removing whatever obstacles that I was oblivious to that had in its own way served as the route to my my suffering and my dismay and my mishaps and disharmonies and misfortunes and so the more that I remove and the more that I'm aligned with the essence of who we all are, the Namaste, the Divine in me, recognizes the Divine in you for some people it's religion right that they have their God, their Jesus, their Buddha, but for me it's more the nature of consciousness, it's the absolute, it's the universe that I'm not separate from. Like in the final stage of my work you get to the impersonal experience of the qualities of the soul, it's one thing to wake up from feeling I'm not loved to being I am loved to then I am love itself right. If you look at that cascade it's so powerful it's not that I am free anymore, it's I am freedom or there is freedom and I'm not separate to it. So that's the ultimate destination is to be completely aligned with the inherent qualities of the souls that we are, and I guess it seems to be working because now I watch I'll be in some horrific car accident and someone's going to pull up outside. There seems to be a distinction for me between the the narrative of that I am freedom itself. It reminds me of your quote that is the affirmations are like with pre-munch it. The narrative of I am freedom itself and I could repeat that to myself a billion times over you know where I love itself versus the actual reality of the experience of that. And so I suppose this is where I go into me a little bit. Yeah. I think one of my greatest challenges that I'm coming to realize recently is there seems to be the shame conversation that has its hand around my throat and it won't let me rest. Yeah. Even in the preparation for this podcast like I've probably watched more content of yours than any fucking person under the sun you know. Maybe apart from my editor. Maybe apart from yeah maybe. Maybe I should apply for that role. I'm like you sick of me. You literally watch every minute of anything I've regurgitated. Yeah. Maybe apart from you in a second. Put me in second place. Still impressive. Give me a silver knife. But there's still this part of me that is this voice in me that is telling me as I'm driving here that I haven't done enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't prepped enough. Like I've been lazy in my preparation that yeah. I'm going to there's almost this fear that I'm going to embarrass myself in front of you. Yeah. Yeah. And I could trace that back to my maybe some parts of my athletic background and the fact that I was born to two professional athletes and what that might have brought up. But I think the biggest one that I at least believe and I'd love to unpack it is that no matter what I do I'm doing something wrong. Yeah. And that has created an unbelievable amount of darkness and suffering in my life because I can't be where I am. Yeah. Yeah. How I get it and hope the audience can hear it in your words because it is suffering right like the resistance to what is which includes yourself. Yeah. So what so that I understand so your parents both are athletes? My dad was a professional soccer football player played from Manchester United in the 80s. Okay. My mom was a dancer, danced on ships around the world. And I ended up I played a few years at a professional soccer level. So that was very much yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think in some ways in large ways collapsed. Yeah. How I perform is is equated with how deserving I am of love. Yeah. Yeah. And was it ever overly felt like I don't you seem like such a I mean how old are you pretty young? 27. 27. Yeah. And you say you're articulate, you're smart, you're done your work, you're professional. The things that I see in you. So my guess is based on the energy I'm feeling is that you wouldn't have been chastised or beaten or disciplined too much. It meaning like even though you're dad, I see the energy more to do with the father here, but it's not that he would have been like a poster child for like a abuse, right? Like I was more my mom. Yeah. I was more of that energy. My dad not so much. Yeah. And so how would that manifest in my mom? Yeah. Um, I'm hesitant to use this term because I know it's around quite casually, but some therapists have said that it was, it was narcissistic. Mm-hmm. I was hit in moments and and streamed out often. Yeah. I think love was, love was given and pulled away based on how much I pleased and appeased my mom. Yeah. So I noticed that pattern in me now in my intimate relationships and even male relationships get close to me. Like I will abandon myself often to make sure they're okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was very much like mom will do everything for you. I grew up to quite a bit of wealth, you know. Yeah. I was going to resort all around the world and some of the nicest schools in this area. But at the same time, if there was something I did that didn't please my mom. Yeah. You're so selfish. Don't ask for anything from me ever again. Yeah. It was almost like the oh, shit, I better not. Yeah. Displeased my mother because I'm a child and I need her for my sense of safety, you know. Yeah. So I get it. So I get the whole lot of it. So what did you after the massimime? What did you kind of land on as maybe part of your story? Like I said, there were certain ones that I found. I mean, I found myself in some ways in all of them. Yeah. Yeah. But it's my fault. Right. It was one for me that like no matter what I do, it's my fault. And maybe a shade darker if I'm doing something wrong, that there's something wrong with me. Because as I reflect on my upbringing, like before I knew what a panic attack was, I was having panic attacks. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't know what was happening. Yeah. Like getting wheeled out of school as a sixth grader on a flatbed, having a panic attack. But no one ever really explained to me what was happening. And so there was this sense of like, I mean, I can I literally remember in sixth and seventh grade looking at the principle of the school and saying, I don't want to die. I feel like I'm going to die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so there has been this sort of like feeling all the way up until last night, I'm laying in bed and I can't sleep. And that's there. Like there's something wrong with me. Yeah. So I hear that for sure. I think it's a little darker, a little deeper, which would explain why you end up on a gurney or a flatbed, you know, like as a kid, like the amount of pressure I feel that you were under. That's part of it. But there's also not something wrong with you, but the absolute terror. Like it's terror, right? It's not even fear. You do a good job of masking it, obviously, your nervous system can't, which is a terror of doing something wrong. Right. So again, like very sweet, I see it as such a beautiful, vulnerable quality where you say, even preparing for this, you hadn't done enough, you hadn't studied enough, which is really a tip of the cap to how much you respect me and my work, which is really flattering. So I acknowledge that and I appreciate that. But from your lens, it would have been like you could never do enough from the perspective of that you're less than and you can make a mistake, right? Absolutely. And it stops me from doing much bigger things with my life that I want to do. Yeah. Yeah. So what's it like, just first of all, let's just stay with that one, living in the world where it doesn't matter what you do, it's never going to be enough. I could cry just thinking about it. Yeah. Because you really care, too, right? Like you really- Yeah. So much like I fucking, I want to do ultimately what you do, you know, like that's the vision I have for my life is to step into that world and lead the much grander scale, you know, and I believe I have that in me, but that feeling that no matter what I do, I'm going to do it wrong. I feel like I'm always anticipating being shouted at, always anticipating someone telling me that like because I didn't respond, I like they're not going to talk to me anymore. It feels so it was described to me once as like I look like I'm like a duck floating on water, like above the water, I look so calm, but under the water my like in panic mode consistently. Then that's why you use a word terror, right? Like it's the what I hear in your nervous system is a terror. The fear of consequence is really what you're being faced with, right? The threat of there's so much pressure because what you've learned, you're conditioning is such that you can't do anything wrong for fear of the consequence, right? And that's what when you said it can make you cry. So living in this perpetual state of don't mess up, don't fuck up, like what is that like? I mean, I think the obvious word is it's exhausting. Yeah. It's really it's tiring. It's like I use that word. It feels like I'm suffocating often. I feel like it definitely like suffocates my capacity to to lead and be of service to people. It it's just tiring and it interrupts my capacity for joy. And that's been the when I think about that quote, like the part of you is asking to die. Yeah. It's like this part feels like for the first time in my life, it's staring at me so clearly in the face. Yeah. And I and some ways I don't know what to do with it, but it's it's like it feels like some invisible force has had its hand around my throat for a year. Well, one of the quotes you may not have heard, you've seen pretty well versed even though, you know, he's still feeling it. You didn't do enough research is that the ego is a boa constrictor for the soul. Right. So that feeling of suffocation. I mean, and will you mask my nine the last eight. So do you remember what was his name? Was it any not any Pope? Something Pope, but anyway, where his dad had written wraps chicken wire around his dad, his own son's throat neck and then also put the shotgun in his mouth. Do you remember that story? Insane. So that's what I feel for you energetically, right? So let's let's just cut to the chase because you're a smart guy and I can see you doing what I do in your own way and you're going to excel like you have all of the faculties, the kindness, the care, the intellect, especially at 27. So I just want to plant that and maybe, you know, you'll do my. certification program or whatever, but we'll come out next year or in another 20,000 years when the book says so what's the first lie based on what we were just talking about? What's the lie? I'm sitting in the hot seat and having the experience is when someone's on the mastermind and then everyone's screaming like you know what it is. It's so blind to me that I still can't fucking see it, just talked about it. The lie is um well what was the main fear that we just discussed that I'm going to do it wrong? Exactly. So then what is the lie that I could ever do it wrong? Exactly. Now you can only have the concern, a fear is a future event appearing real, right? So the panic and the terror that you experience is at a heightened extent, like real terror, but for most people anxiety or worry, is because you're concerned that you're going to do that, like that you could make a mistake, right? The apprehension around more consequences, basically being hit, shamed, you know, your selfish, all the things that you heard, and this is in no way to dismiss or belittle or judge your mum, right? She's doing her part in your soul's evolution and vice versa. So but to live in the world where you're constantly anticipating the consequences of your own behavior is terror, right? So that can only happen if you have worried about what you did was wrong, right? So your fear is because you're concerned you're going to do something wrong, but that can only occur because you've been conditioned to think that you did something wrong, passed her, informed you to fear, right? So what is the bigger life that I did wrong? Yeah, ever. Wow, that's fucking that's so powerful, right? But it's so ingrained in your belief systems and as a kid, you don't know any other thing. Yeah, it's a daily reality. It's a daily reality that I superimpose that narrative onto like if my mum moves half an hour away and if I haven't gone and seen her like on that day, there's some part of me even though I know that it's not based in truth that is feels the guilt of having not gone and seen her. Yeah, because you did something wrong. So we have to in order to mitigate anxiety, fear and in your case, panic and terror like at the extremes of that gradient, we have to go back to the source, right? Which is you can only think and look through the lens of you could do something wrong, which is really the reflection of the concern for consequence, which in this case is big because it's a lump of a love of a care provider, your mum, which we all crave. We won't belong. But that's only because you've got this track record of evidence so you've done things wrong. But so what was the lie there again? The track record of evidence that I've done things wrong, the lie is that I've ever done anything wrong. Yeah, so now just sit with that. If it's a complete falsehood, you have never, ever, ever done anything wrong, ever again, we're not getting into moralistic conversations for the listener, we'll break that down so they understand. But just for the purposes of your life, you've never done anything wrong in your life. What would that feel like right now for you to own that? It feels amazing and I feel like I want to part I mean, wants to push back again on the track and like, well, sometimes I feel like I have done things wrong, and sometimes I feel like maybe I've been out of integrity. Yeah. And not saying out of integrity, that's entirely different conversation. I've got very mature, successful athletes, businessmen who've got billions of dollars who are out of integrity because they said X and they didn't do that. That's a conversation about the power of language. But as a kid, you know, you're still only a fucking kid, you're 27, but suddenly as a kid when you're 15, you install a friend's bike or you punch your sister when you're six or you know, I'm making shit up. I saw sweets from a news agent when I was, I don't know, seven or eight, and I had to take them back and it was embarrassing, but was that wrong? No, that's exactly what a seven year old should do, who's in the world of testing boundaries and exploring, not condoning the behavior, but it's not wrong in the moralistic sense. So it's almost like to make this make sense in my own consistent ways of being, I think the greatest one of the challenges that's small, but it's important in my current intimate relationship is that when I say something's going to take me 10 minutes and it takes me 45. I'm trying to avoid being hurt, so I'll say 10 minutes. Yeah. I'm like, what I'm hearing you say is that's not wrong. It's perfectly consistent with the part of me that's afraid of being. Correct. It's consistent with the little boy who's scared of in late times being in trouble. So your whole orientation of your nervous system is make sure that I don't get in trouble. Right? Yeah. It is. No wonder it's exhausting and dark. No exhausting because then when you live inside of that world where you're constantly trying to mitigate the consequences of your own behavior, you're already living in the reprimand of your own judgment of yourself before anybody said anything. Totally. I also, I mean, maybe the biggest one and it's part of what I really want to, you're proud of this freedom. I think what I believe I'm here to help people discover is a true felt sense of belonging, which in some ways are quite similar, but the experience of what that does to me is it, I've shamed myself for my own authentic desires, because I'm in the anticipation that that desire is wrong. Yeah. Well, we're going to get to that because I said, when you rewatch this because I don't expect you to track as you're in the hot seat, but I said there's a darker side to this. I'm starting with the more superficial. Oh, there's more. There's more. There's more. I can't get any good information. There's more. That's good though. Only $3.99 to get more. You'll get a free toaster up. Yeah. Yeah. The fear of doing something wrong, for sure, informs so much of your nervous systems orientation around terror, embrace, or constantly bracing, and then the exhaustion that is the byproducts of that. If you're in constantly vigilant mode of looking out for doing something wrong, being in trouble, and then ultimately losing the quintessential thing, the human's one, which is love and safety, then of course, you're going to be exhausted. So, what's the lie again that I've ever done anything wrong? Yeah. And just now, so now phrase it, well, be the opposite, I have, if the opposite that you did something wrong, and now you're realizing I have never, I've never done anything wrong. I say it again. I've never done anything wrong, I've never done anything wrong. And even to think about the distinction between what I've made wrong, but to have the understanding now that it's not wrong, it's perfectly consistent with the boy that's afraid. And for listeners who are a little bit more skeptical, who live in a very moralistic, right or wrong world, which is super ingrained into the human narrative, I want them to understand I'm not talking about the impact of behaviors and consequences, right? So people say, oh, well, what about raping somebody or stealing something? No, of course, as a society, we have made certain agreements of what doesn't, doesn't work, doesn't work to smash someone's car window and steal their purse or their iPhone. Yeah. Don't do that, you know? Yeah. But it's not wrong if you knew that that 16 year old kid who did it, who's raised by a drug addict's single mom, whose dad is in prison in the only way that he found a sense of belonging was to join a gang. And in order to stay part of the gang, which is his only sense of safety, is he had to contribute by stealing shit. It doesn't condone the behavior, it breeds compassion for it, right? So I'm guessing that you weren't part of a gang, you know, you're from a wealthy family, your dad was a soccer player, you did okay. So I'm going to guess without having to know the worst thing that you ever did, it really wasn't wrong. It was appropriate for a young kid, a teenager or somebody who's testing boundaries and trying to establish individuality, right? So if it's not true that you've ever done anything wrong, what's the way you said it, I've never. I've never done anything wrong. What's it like to now step out of the world that you were in that is absolutely suffocating to now realizing you've never done anything wrong? It's okay. Yeah, that would be an appropriate response, because of the weight you've carried. I can't imagine for 20-something years thinking that you're a bad person doing something wrong and just 24/7 trying to avoid doing something wrong, that's hell. Because I'm always trying to escape myself, yeah, which is only impossible. Only impossible, yeah. I mean, it's. It feels like there's a collapsing of the present and the past and the future into this moment of just full sense of acceptance for whatever I feel now, even the darkness that seems to be in my current experience sometimes. Yeah, that's okay, everybody's got that. But it certainly softens when you get rid of the underlying current of self-judgment, which is hell, really derogatory comments about yourself energetically, at least, about living in a world where you're constantly doing something wrong and therefore constantly looking out for the perpetuation of that, that's hell. And that's all gone, just like that, I prefer fucking cadabra. What becomes available for you now and the absence of worrying about doing anything wrong? Well, bigger risk, bigger risk, which in. Just really because you know I'm pretty, um, fastidious about language. Why is there not a bigger risk? Why would the word risk even be? Yeah. I mean, I've become so associated with that word because it feels so scary, because the consequence is massive. Exactly. So that word is only appropriate to the residual self-image that we just exposed. It's only a risk to somebody who's scared of doing something wrong. Otherwise, what is it? A greater opportunity. Yeah. A greater opportunity for my life. And the more fundamental life. level. It's just you expressing yourself. It's just you literally doing whatever you're doing. You know, you could run through these panels and see if you can break them. That's not a risk. It's just that's what I did. And it didn't work or it did well. Oh, so is that not a word you identify with? No, you don't identify with this. No, which is really interesting because in a lot of the self development and person development world, especially for young men, the narrative is if you take bigger risk, it's synonymous with more self trust and self respect. But what you're saying is risk is only what I'm hearing you say is risk is only necessary when you're sort of future pacing of potential consequence. And you can only be future pacing of future consequence if you're still defined by fear. Freedom has got nothing to do with fear. So risk isn't as a way of being that's based in fear. Risk is only appropriate to the limit itself. Wow, that's so powerful. My life has become so associated with like, well, I got to take bigger risk. Yeah. No, it just recognized that it's not a risk because you got to dissolve the consequence of whatever that perceived risk is. And even deeper than that, the idea that you're a limited self. What are the risks that God takes? I want to say like not just it's right because there's just self expression. There's full power of creation and all creation has consequence. That's not a risk. That's just physics. Someone could say, I was risky to try heroin. Well, no, it's just trying heroin. And if you built like an ox, it might not have an impact. If you're very subtle and ordered, probably my gilly, you know, that's not a risk. It's just consequence. Oh, you see, it's an entirely different paradigm. It's a different. Yeah, I'm getting I'm not denying the world of physics, like I'm not particularly interested in hurting myself with drugs or alcohol or shitty chemical laden foods and GMOs and all the crap that's out there. Yeah. I do what I can to take care of myself because I revere the essence of who I am, which is life itself as a commitment to my own well-being and the value of how I perceive myself. Yeah. So taking a risk isn't so much a risk. It's really a form of irresponsibility based on my own identity. Yeah. Which for me, when I think about it, the greatest risk, the greatest what has felt like risks for me have always been in the vein of my own self-expression. Yeah, your risk occur as simply the stretching of a very tight identity. Yeah, I can't be anything outside of this lane because I'll get it. Which is where you've heard one of my most powerful expression and say the world that people live in in current now is risk improvement, betterment, change is just becoming the best version of your limited self. And that should hurt people a little bit, like as an option or language, but like your risk would be like, you know, fuck it, my mom's half an hour away, but I'm not going to see it today. I feel like that sometimes. No, no, no. Like my mom got home from England yesterday and there's a part of me that's like, fuck, I haven't seen him in the six hours. She's been home that I feel that in my body. Yeah, that's disease. But you know, the world that I talk about, the 1.0 mindset people live in right now, which is why I have this new operating system I'm delivering, right? The world of 1.0 is limiting code. I did something wrong, right? That's language that creates fear that bleeds into suffering, that leads to disease, that creates scarcity and disarmament in your relationship. Here's the irony, you as a little boy are doing everything you can to not in any way compromise your connection and your love with your mother, not realizing because you're coming from fear, you don't have any of that with her anyway. Which is totally appropriate for a scared little boy who doesn't want to do anything to in any way upset his capable. Yeah, I mean, in the same in similar ways with my partner, it's like the quote that you have that most people are in relationship, well, in a relationship, but they're not in relationship. Exactly. You can't be in relationship, the only relationship you're in, which is so poignant and why again, I worked with so many people in that realm of relationship is with your own nervous system and self preservation and survival. The imperative of the 1.0 mindset operating system is to survive. You are surviving your own story that you can't do anything wrong. That's all that's the only relationship you had or you did have. Isn't that crazy? So you don't have a relationship with your mom who I guarantee you loves you and adores you in her own way. She just has her own conditioning that has superimposed onto who she thinks you should be. Yeah. Which she believes is her loving you and having your best interests at heart. Yes. Not realizing that it's not honoring the life you are. That's probably what she loved from your grandparents, her parents, of who she had to be. And if she's a dancer, the level of perfection that is in that industry and that sport. Yeah. So she's been conditioned to have everything be just so. Yeah. Which then obviously gets superimposed onto you, the sense of little boy, through no fault of her own. She's not even present in her own life. She's just being driven by code. Yeah. And then you've adopted that, especially the boy with the mother, just like the daughter with the father, those opposites tend to have the biggest impact. And then I'm superimposing my mom onto everybody in some respect. You have to attract a girlfriend who even if it's not the way she is, you will hear the things that you did wrong through the lens of what she says, not because that's what she means, but because that's how you're oriented to the feminine. Bunkers, isn't it? Yeah. And the only way to us to quote unquote escape that it sounds like is has nothing to do with changing circumstance. No, that's fool's goal. Yeah. That's exhaustion trying to manipulate your circumstances in order to be okay is what the world is currently doing. That's why we have people in power who are willing to corrupt life and industries just to try and control things. But it's all coming from fear, scarcity, limitation, and suffering. So nothing actually gets resolved. Definition of insanity. Doing same things over and over and expecting different results. You're just using different flavors of doing things the same, which is be the good boy, get it perfect. Don't do something wrong. Call your mom when you're supposed to. Actually, call her before you're supposed to, you know, whatever it is. Call her before you're supposed to. Yeah. It's like, get up before you got a bed. Tape now for sure. And all of that is simply you reinforcing the idea that there's something wrong with you and that you could do something wrong. That's the only relationship you're in. Now, if you sit with that and you realize as caring and as loving as driven as you are to make a difference, which is so clear to me, but when you really see the only relationship that you're in, the only thing you're really up to is preserving your own fear that you're doing something wrong. That should be kind of mind blowing in terms of, and it hurts a little. It hurts because it's like, I'm not, I'm not actually being a service in the way that you're not alive, you're not living. That's why I said it should hurt, or you said it, but I mean, that's what I was implying in my words. Yeah. Given how caring you are, how much you want to do, how much you want to help, the people like me that you're, you're touched and inspired by, that you want to emulate or at least support, but all you're actually, actually up to is self-preservation of a very, very belittling view of yourself. So what do I do now then to stop doing? Well, what was the lie? That I've ever done anything wrong. Right. So what does it to sustain? If you've never done anything wrong, and what I just declared is the only relationship you have is to your own conditioning that you don't want to do anything wrong, which can only be sustained if you think you've done something wrong. But that's a lie. What relationship needs to be sustained now? Nothing. No. What does that now allow you? It allows me the freedom to do and be like, obviously in a, in the lane of responsibility, but as I please. Yeah. Which would then allow you to have a relationship and see your mum for who she is, probably exhausted, not free at all, living in her own world of anxiety and immense amount of pressure. I mean, it even makes me think of, and I thought here's me thinking that this is not the way that I live when you talk about most people's version of responsibility is through the lens of guilt and shame. Not, what's the other? What's the? Encountable is your own. I thought I was an accountability ownership. I've actually been operating in guilt and shame. Yeah. Anything you've been accountable for is your own idea of yourself and the fear and the trepidation of like doing something wrong. That's what you've been responsible for. So you have been 24/7 micromanaging your own survival. And so now to stop doing that is to recognize consistently because it doesn't just dissolve altogether now. It can do. It's just to realize the you that you thought your world was completely fictitious. So there's no you that ever did anything wrong. So there's no you that did stuff wrong that you have to manage and make sure nobody else sees. It's all a story. It's all it's all complete illusion. There's just what you do and there's the consequences of it. Mum calls you to me and I'm like, well, where are you? You never called me. No, Mum, are you okay? Like I know. I love you. What's wrong? Versus internalizing that as my own stuff. And that you did something wrong. You let it out again if you'd only perpetuate the story. And so what is something like in a tangible because I have that experience now. I feel insurmountable, unbelievable amounts of freedom from that. It's amazing. Amazing. Like I feel like I want to go and fucking run up this hill. And you know, that's the release of energy. I would be cheer loudly for England and I'm never going to have cheer louder than when they play in a minute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can feel myself anticipating the moment where that does happen and I do find myself going back into that narrative. Yes. You know, it's just your self-image. It won't have the same hold though. Okay. Because now you've got awareness. Two may buckets in my work. Awareness and practice. You've got awareness on Carl Jung said until you bring the unconscious conscious and will drive your life in your call at fate. You've been driven by this conditioning that now we've brought awareness to it. So even though when you next hear your mind. tone and the voice and the words that were the triggers for you to fill. You did something wrong. There will be that instantaneous conditioning of your nervous system to want to go into fight or flight and preserve and freeze. But then you're like, oh, hang on a minute. This is just my mom saying something. Even if she literally says you did something wrong, she's sharing an opinion. That's so sweet. Thank you. That's generous. I didn't. I did what I did. Now, if it was in any way out of alignment with what you said, then we get into integrity. That's now we start to step into power. You've been powerless. Yeah. But if you said to your mama, call you tomorrow at one and you didn't. And then she uses her conditioning to judge you for it. First of all, that's on her. That's not power either. That's her ego trying to maintain its own self righteousness. But you can just be powerful and say, you're right. I said, I'll call you one and I didn't. And you own it. But it's got nothing to do with anything wrong. You just didn't do what you said. Yeah. Yeah. That's an entirely different. Wow. That's a really powerful distinction for me. Because even in the recognition of it up until this point, I haven't had an yet de-collapsed the things that I'd done and them being wrong. Exactly. It's just perfectly aligned with the nature. And now you start to understand the power of abracadabra as I speak. So I create, right? That is in integrity. Like we are literally all we're actually given is a voice. That is the most powerful tool we have is the words that we use. You've had a voice, so you didn't know, which is your subconscious voice, which has been creating the entire foundation for your identity, which is, don't do something wrong. It's still words, right? It's just sound. That's the fucking funny thing. You've got the feeling of suffocation, shame being like, you know, in this world of guilt and self-derogatory comments, all based on sound. Yeah. It's bonkers. Like your power of expression of the life force that you are has been completely shackled by sound. And at the same time, I'm trying and wishing and wanting and believe that the calling over my life is to be a voice of authenticity. Which makes sense given your conditioning, right? Because you crave the essence of who you know yourself to be at a deeper level, but you can't access until now. Right? So really your soul's mission we could say why you had to have the experience of being shackled like in your voice and yourself expression was because you're here to help people discover that. But I first have to recognize that I was. You have to see the antithesis of it to see how discomforting it is, so it breeds compassion so that when you help people, just like me standing as that 17-year-old isolated in my bedroom, to then have the ability to be with people who feel separate and desperate. I had to go there. I had to feel the desperate feeling of loss to then be able to tap into the world of abundance and there is no such thing as loss. Form comes and goes. So for you in order to be able to impart the actual gift and the experience of full self-expression, you have to feel the absence of it. Isn't that powerful? My whole world just feels like I'm like a different human now. You are. The vision statement of my whole company for 20-something years has been to inspire the realization of a new type of human who lives not from limitation, fear, suffering, disease, and scarcity, but from freedom. Love, joy, vitality, and abundance. And you just started to more than dip your toe in the new world. 2.0. And you're telling me that's not the darkest one. There's something darker now. Yeah, something a little heavier, which is associated. It really supports to do something wrong. So when you feel anxious and you feel this tightness, what would you say you don't feel? Freedom to express myself. I don't feel I don't feel love. I don't feel joy. But the concern when somebody's scared, because really in the child's language, you're scared of doing something wrong. Don't want upset mum basically. So if you're scared, what are you not? And you've been in the mastermind. So what is especially for women, they don't feel safe. Exactly. So there's a distinction between I don't feel safe in my environment, which is very prevalent, especially for the feminine, with centuries of abuse from the patriarchy in men. So I don't feel safe. I'm walking down a street at night. A woman could say it's dark and a man's coming that way. Doesn't know him could be the most loving, kind, generous human being on the planet. But the instinctual feeling is I want to go to the other side of the street, because they're looking through the lens of I'm not safe. So yours isn't that you're not safe. You grew up in an affluent family. Your parents are well established. Your smart, probably went to good schools, traveled the world. You've seen things that wouldn't to me give you the experience of not being safe. But what were you not safe? Where were you not safe? Which meant what part is not safe. It's not that you're not safe relative to life. So I just want you to, I'll just say the sake of expeditiousness. You're not safe to be you. You were never safe to be you. Being you is a threat. Now sit with that. No matter where you go, what you do, you're not safe to be you because of the potential consequence. Can you see that? What's it like walking around as caring as you are with the heart that you have in the intelligence? Knowing that it doesn't matter what you do, you're not safe to be you. It follows me everywhere. I have evidence. I can't make choices. You know, this podcast is called the you choose podcasts. It's on my arm. I don't feel like I can make clear choices. Even simple things as such as what I'm going to wear for this podcast. How am I going to do my hair for the podcast? It releases into everything I do. Every choice, every feeling, every thought, every action, every outcome is commensurate. It has to be with the fundamental identity that you've collapsed yourself with that it's not safe for you to be you. How could you make a choice? Which is perfect that you have a podcast called you choose because it's your soul's craving. But how ironic, beautiful, painful to see that even though this is born of you, which is beautiful because that's your soul's calling, your mission is the power of choice. But until this moment, you've had none. Because all of my choices have been commensurate with the perception of the reflection from other people, which is actually reminds me of the quote that you shared, which is you don't actually care what other people think about you. You're just using them as the reflection of what you already think about yourself. Yeah, not worried what others think about you. You're worried what you think they think about you. Yeah. So you could never, like, which is, I mean, a variety of things, what I'm hearing you say is it's all through the lens of I'm not safe to be myself. Now, really get the impact of that. You are here. You sit here as a 27 year old man. You travel the world. You can't not exist. You exist. But the world you exist in is it's not safe for you to be you. But you're you wherever you go, but you can't be you. Just get the impact of that. And then you wonder why you feel yourself. It's so exhausting. You're here. You can't not be here. But the way you relate yourself is it's not safe for you to be you. I can't think of a worst prison for somebody living. You can't not exist. And yet your whole narrative about yourself is you're not supposed to exist. Think about that. The gravity of that. Can you elaborate on that piece and the whole narrative is that I'm not supposed to exist? Yeah. You exist, right? You're here. Everyone can hear you can see you. You can't not exist by virtue of the fact that you incarnated into form in this dimension. And yet the way you relate yourself is you're really in late times not supposed to be here. You're here, but you're not supposed to be here. There couldn't be a stronger contradiction to existence. Think about the millions of kids out there who were told they were a mistake. Oh, your dad wanted a daughter and you're the son. Like the same kind of conversation that this will be impacting. Hopefully millions of people who listen to this. Your version is it's just not safe for you to be you because you make mistakes. And when you make mistakes, there's consequences. That's your iteration. But for somebody else, they were given up for adoption. So of course, they think they're not wanted. I'm not supposed to be here. I mean, you saw in the mastermind, there was one woman who was delivered as a second child that they didn't know because they didn't have ultrasound back. They're like, oh my gosh, she wasn't expected. So her whole life is given now by, oh, I wasn't meant to be here. She's 47 years old. 47 years old, thinking trying not to be here while you're here. Like it's insanity. What a shit way to live. It's fucking horrific. What a horrendous way to move through the world. Yeah. And then you wonder why people turn to so many sort of forms of self-abuse and escape through alcohol weed drugs, prescription drug street drugs, you know, and let alone the more subtle ways that people harm themselves of like withdrawing from society. No, that's not for me. I don't need to be with the partner. I don't need to have the family. I'm okay with this. Well, I do that in moments, you know, like my mind is the natural nature of who I am is incredibly extroverted, incredibly connecting. Like I love human being. I love people. But in that world that I don't want to be that I am not meant to be here. Yeah. And then I'm not safe to be myself. It's so exhausting sometimes to go out in, in public. Yeah, it's exhausting. Well, and much of that is a compensation. It's also your soul's calling. As I said, that you want to, like we are born to express, like you are the only you that's ever existed. in the whole history of time, to not express whatever it is as your potentiality and your message and your music, is to deny the absolute beauty that it is to be alive. So you're alive, saying, "I can't be alive." The contradiction is, I mean. I'm also denying the very things that I want to and I'm here to do. Even this podcast, like I denied it for so long, and doing it now feels like such a great lift for that part of me. It's like public eye. Millions of people are seeing this. It feels like such a big lift. Just express myself in this way, you know? Well, I hope, you know, because of my commitment to helping people find true freedom, love, possibility, and all of the other attributes of the soul that this conversation will be pivotal in the way that it opens up an entirely new arena for you in terms of not only your expression of self, but the people that you get to reach, that the energy that now the frequency you live from that is not confined by this world of fear and threat, and that it's not safe to be you in the absence of that. Now there is just this unbridled self-expression, pure joy, pure freedom. Without knowing the consequence, it doesn't mean that you're going to get everything perfect for the remainder of your life, which is hopefully another 80 plus years with technology or maybe forever. But that's exciting for me now, because before this, I have to get everything perfect, which is the exhaustion. Like, I can't wait to fuck up in whatever narrative that would be, you know, like, because that's where you get to learn, especially in relationships. People have relationships where they're, you know, it's all perfect. We never fight. I'm like, then you don't have a relationship. But I can imagine whether it's your current romantic partner or your previous ones, how much you would have been the perfect boyfriend and acquiesce to all the things they want, because you don't want to upset them. And there's no relationship there. That's just a little boy who's doing everything you can not to be in trouble. Oh, my God. I'm hard. I feel like I'm sweating. Yeah. Yeah. My next wet and I don't sweat. Yeah. Well, how can you? You're confined. Like, think about the tension you've been walking around. And now we're actually open things up so things can flow. Prana energy, vitality, life force. Like you said, you wanted to run up the fucking hill. Wait till you see what you're going to do for the next 2080. Wow. Is this what you mean? I heard you talking about a story. I think it was in one of your pieces of content in the freedom membership where you were given, maybe not maybe you were given a story of a woman who said, I've been, in essence, she said, I've been doing so much work on myself. I'm so excited to create abundance. And your response to her was where you can't. Yeah. Abundance is. Yeah. That was in one of the live events. So yeah, somebody that's what she wanted. I want to create abundance. I said, well, there in lies your problem. You're under the impression that it's incumbent upon you to create abundance. I mean, it's like, well, you might as well stood up and said, I want to create the whole planet. It's like, okay, how's that working out for you? You know, abundance is. Freedom is. Love is. You're desperately from the little boys perspective and not doing something wrong. All you're really wanting is love and acceptance to be held, seen and heard for you. You are. But you can't access it because you're looking through a lens of you're not safe to be you. So then, of course, you're trying to create love and communion and connection and belonging. But you can never get there because you're looking through a lens at the opposite. So if she was trying to create abundance because she's looking through the lens of lag, seek not for love. Seek merely for the barriers you built against it. Seek not for safety. Seek not for justice or getting things right. Seek merely for the barriers you built against it with barrier being that you think you're somebody who can do shit wrong. Then that constantly, perpetually informed you. Do you see? There's no getting out. That's that is the definition of addiction. You can never get enough of something that almost works for you or almost work. Being the perfect son, being the perfect boyfriend, almost worked. You can never get enough of something that almost works. I thought I had every quote of yours. What does that mean? Well, you're being informed by something that can never actually be reconciled. What would be your addiction? Being the perfect son, being the perfect boyfriend, being the perfect podcast presenter, and when it goes really well and mom seems happy, that almost works. Until half an hour later, you get a text that you did something wrong in. Exactly. I've got to refine myself even more. It's exhausted. I haven't even needed the text. It's like it just, it just dissolved. It evaporates. You don't need any externals. You could walk past the fucking cow. A cow could go moon. You're like, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to upset you. What the fuck? It's crazy, but there's some truth to that. I should have studied about cow and proximity. I need to subscribe to cow monthly now to know exactly what I should wear. Maybe it was the clothing. It's my shirt too. You could go down the whole fucking rabbit hole of neurosis. It's got nothing to do with the cow. They're just fucking mood. It's external stimulus is really revealing the internal conditioning, which you can never escape until you see what it is, which is a complete lie. There's nothing wrong with you. You never done anything wrong. And so what is the lie about the safe to be you? Well, then I'm not safe to be me. It's a lie. It's completely lie. Why is it a lie? Just look at it completely, basically. Why? Why is it a lie that's not safe for you to be you? Because I am me. Exactly. You can't not fucking be you. Now that you as an iteration, how exhausting to try not be what I can't not be? Hence why I said it's the ultimate conflict. You're here and you're like, but I'm trying not to be here. Okay. How's that working out? Oh my god. Literally, I cannot. I hope this reaches millions of people who live in a world where they thought they'd been a mistake that they weren't wanted. They were given up for adoption. They're a foster child. They were told that they were supposed to be a girl, not a boy or vice versa, because this will bring immense freedom to anybody who's lived in a world of self berating judgment like you have. Bunkers, isn't it? Crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's laughable. I feel like I just want to laugh. When you see it, it's comedy. When you don't see it, it's hell. It's hell, yeah. But even like to look at what I was doing last night, not able to sleep because of the fear that I haven't prepped enough for this, it's like now I feel like I can laugh because it's like I'm trying not to be me. Do you think I gave a shit? Not that I don't care. I do. I want to make sure. But like, am I sitting there going, oh, I hope he's sleeping over there? No. No. Well, it reminds me of a quote that I wanted to ask you about, for you to elaborate on, which is because I've used it in sharing with other people. This, you say, I care the most. I just don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. So the distinction is even if we look at it anatomically, care is heart associate is one of our most powerful organs, that we live from that essence of love that we are. Not I'm not looking for love, but I am love itself. That's I care. Because when I went through a breakup way before I started this work and I was really devastated, I was like, wait, this doesn't make sense. All the boyfriend she told me about who would douchebags and even abusive and hurt her and certainly would like derogatory in the way that they spoke to her. And I was so kind and generous and loving. And yet she broke up with me. It was like, I feel sorry for myself. And then I realized, I thought it's because I care to my, I'm like, I'm too nice. That's how you talk about girls like the bad guys. And then I realized, no, actually, my caring is my superpower, where it had flipped into a little bit of dysfunction is when it becomes mind associated or ego, which is worry, which is you've been living in nothing but worry. It's not safe for me to be me, but I'm here, but I can't be here. You know, it's like, all that is is worrying anxiety. So what I realized is that that moment, and I felt the cogs of the universe truly reconfigure themselves for me as I shifted my frequency of light. No, my caring is my superpower. I love that I care that much. I'm just not going to worry. People are going to think whatever they think, even after this conversation. Obviously, most people, especially if they haven't heard of me, like, holy shit, who is this guy? He speaks so fucking quickly. I know you're saying something profound, but I now have to listen to this fucking thing five times. It is really cool. Or they're going to be like, I don't know what it's qualifications. What people are going to think, whatever the fuck they think. I know that I care immensely and that I'm here to remove the course of suffering and shift the course of humanity. If that's not a plight that you can get behind, that's fine. I go and make money on the stock market or the future boat. So I want to big this down in terms of men in relationships, because particularly the narrative for a lot of young men is like this. Don't care too much. You run away sort of thing. If you run, if you run, she'll chase. If you chase silver. Yeah. Yeah. And you just said, I care the most. For a lot of men, I could feel that that might be like, well, that will give her the it. So how would you? I don't even really have a question for me. No, but I get the dynamic of it. So I would first of all say, don't worry if that's the way that you're informing your own choices because you worry that you're cared too much, then you're going to lose all the time, right? If your nature is to care, which I would assert it is because you're a human, we can't not love it. It's like a part of our Dharma. And you're with somebody who doesn't appreciate that, then you're not with the right person anyway. Because then then what you're saying is my intent or my mo is to hold on to a relationship versus be in one that I can be passionate about. That makes no fucking sense. So if you caring and being loving and kind leads to the outcome of a woman not being with you, then it was never the woman who's meant to be with you. Yeah. And that's why I say, love includes you because otherwise it becomes performative and it becomes about possession and attachment, not love. That's such a beautiful quote, but it's so simple, loving, clear to you. Yeah. Love includes you and so many people because which chasing the idea of being loved and wanted by others, because we're looking through the lens of I'm not, right? You're looking for belonging from a place where you don't belong even in your own skin. So of course, your desk we're trying to do everything right to make sure that somebody, somebody, please finally accept me for me, 'cause I don't, which you can never escape, that's the addiction. - Totally. - Right? - Yeah, it reminds me of the quote, that the only addiction is to the idea of yourself. - Yeah. - Like, oh, my addiction is to that idea. And as a result, I could never get enough of the dose, like my form of drug, someone telling me how good this was, because it doesn't ever fulfill the absence of the feeling. - Ever, because even though you get that transitory relief and that moment of high that you were seen as a good son, as a good boyfriend, as a good person, which is like the antidote to the part of you that thinks it's not safe for you to be you or that you could do something wrong, it immediately dissipates. 'Cause now you've got the next moment or the next day where you hear slight criticism or you did something wrong, that is like, you know, kryptonite for your soul, right? It feeds your ego until now. Now you realize it's just not true that you've ever done anything wrong. Holy shit, that's liberating. It's not true that it's not safe for you to be you. That's not only not true, it's actually preposterous. - Yeah. - 'Cause I'm here, but what it opens up is your humanity. You're not gonna get shit perfect. I don't know what I would say today that could have been better, worse, different. I'm just doing the best I can 'cause I fucking give a shit. - Yeah, I can't. - Totally. And this is the thing that in my world makes it like, inhibits my capacity to actually serve is that I'm future pacing so that I don't get it wrong. Like, I wanna stand on stages and speak to thousands of people. - Yeah. - But I can't do that in this world because I'm so focused on not getting it wrong that I'm not actually serving them. - You could be on a stage and you could literally have the circumstance where you're talking to thousands of people, but you wouldn't be with them. You would be with yourself. - What does that mean? - You be in your own relationship of your concern for how you occur to them. That's not with them, that's with you and your own fears. That's why most people aren't in a relationship. They're in relationship to their own conditioning. You now have an actual opportunity to be with your mum, to be with your partner, to be with people, to be with me. I feel your presence with me is so much more poignant now and powerful than when I arrived. - Big tech. - Which was beautiful 'cause you were vulnerable when you said you were nervous. So I appreciate the authenticity of who you are. But now I can feel the presence of who you are. - Totally. - 'Cause you're not hiding anymore. You're worried what I think about you, which is never what I think about you, is what you think about you, and what you think I think about you. Which is all bullshit anyway. It's madness. You see the world that's out there. - It's madness. - It's madness. - Yeah. Running around like headless chickens, trying to get loved and accepted by people who don't have their own love and acceptance. - Yeah. - You know, it's like, "I don't love me, but hopefully you love me, even though I know you don't love you." - Yeah. - You're asking for people to give you something that they don't have, nor you have for yourself. And that's why the world is just as dysfunctional as it is. - Yeah, and even this takes me into the modern influences of men in particular, you know, the world of the manosphere and the Tates of the World, and obviously it's Donald Trump and like that. So, I suppose it really talks it. - Yeah, what is your reflection of that? And if you had a message for young men that are looking for some form of influence and how to be a man in the world, what would it be? - Well, I'd like to put myself up, hopefully for like some sort of, you know, reflection of what the divine masculine can look like, you know, even though in and of itself that statement might seem counter-ethetical to, like, antithetical to the point of being a man, which is humility, it's accountability, it's responsibility, it's integrity, it's protection, it's provision. These are the qualities of a real man, but also it's a stand for something. I used to take pride in saying, "I'm a lover, not a fighter until I realize, no, if you love, you have to fight for that which you love." And that was new for me as a young boy from Britain, you know, being quintessentially English orphaned. Like, you know, I was a very shy, good little boy. Like, where's the fight in that kid? I was a pushover, you know, I've attracted women who were quite dominant or a little bit abusive sometimes. Until now, it's taken a while for me to realize, "No, I'm a stand for something." And that's the qualities and the values of what I feel are inherent in terms of being a good human and the difference that I want to make. So I would appeal to people's instincts and their intuition. If you say a dude who's just like, you know, in his own bravado and excessive masculinity, being derogatory towards people, that's not something to aspire to. You know, being a man isn't all about the tattoos and the fuck yous and you know, bang as many chicks as it, like that. No, that's just, that's ego. - Well, what is that speaking to in the boy? Does that make sense? Like that behavior in the man. - Oh, okay. - What is that speaking to in the boy that feels attractive for him? - It's compensation. It's compensation for weakness. It's like the, it's the illusion of strength and power, which is very appealing to somebody who's actually being informed by powerlessness. So I feel powerlessness. Oh, okay. So it's like when a dog is being beaten or hurt, it's going to growl and bark. It looks like a bad dog. It's not as just scared. So those behavioral adaptations and compensations that men use as a form of like domination, that's just a reflection of the underlying scared and hurt boy. - Wow. - Yeah. - So is that the energy that's fueling someone like Donald Trump, for example? - Yeah. I mean, all of the arrogance and the takes of the world and these people that just like want to be seen, like anytime that you're trying to be seen as an agenda, right? Like it's like look at me. Like I always say arrogance is loud, confidence is quiet. So if there's anybody, first of all, who's being loud and it's like look at me, I did this. Like adds the greatest that's ever happened. The quickest, you know, whatever it is, is like who fucking gives a shit? Like a real man doesn't need to be seen. Here's nothing to prove. One of my quotes again, you probably never heard, I said true freedom is when you've got nothing to hide and nothing to prove. So if somebody's hiding something which we have seen, you know, obviously over the last few years, much of it's coming out, all the lists and all the bullshit and the Episines and stuff, like but there's a lot of people have a lot to hide. That's not freedom. And then there's a lot of people who have a lot to prove. Like look at me, I can do this, did I do that? No. True freedom, there's a silence about it. There's a peace about it. I mean, for me who's incredibly curious, but maybe not as articulate or well versed in that world of like corruption and conspiracy, but it's fascinated by it just like, I mean, this is an interesting sort of off topic question, but where can I go to educate myself more than that? Well, that's why I created 2.1 world 'cause the current world we have doesn't work. I'm not interested. When people talk about politics, so they talk about corruption or celebrities and eating babies and drinking adrenaline. Like, I'm like, yeah, the conversations in that realm are redundant because it's driven by limitation for your suffering disease and scarcity. Like there's no escape from that world. So what is the solution in the public? I mean, I'm not, I don't like to be in the world of politics, but if you were to propose a solution to the sense of divide that is continuously sort of leasing particularly this country, what would it be? Back to my vision statement when my company, which is turns by the birth of a new type of human, there isn't any resolution in that. Buckminster Fuller had the beautiful quote, which I didn't realize until I'd already created my new dimension, but he said, you don't change something by fighting the existing reality to change something you build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. I'm gonna say that again, you don't? Change something by fighting the existing reality, which is like, oh, I'm not liberal. I'm concerned, no, I'm not concerned. Like that's just fighting the existing reality. There's no, there's no resolution there. To change something, you build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. That's why my company is called 2.0 world. It's a new world. I'm not interested in that world. That world doesn't work. It's a world of abuse, harm, corruption, toxicity, chemicals, chemtrails, GMO foods, people's releasing fucking whatever those ticks were, they're giving people, what is the word, they're now, they can't eat red meat, they've got these allergies and stuff. Like the whole world out there, the fake, the lies, it's all corruption. Are you worried for the state of the planet? No, not at all. No, no. And first of all, the planet is gonna be fine. It'll kill us before it goes down. Yeah, yeah. I'm concerned for the fact that people are so bamboozled and stuck in a world of illusion where they can't see what they can't see. They're just oblivious, but that to me breeds compassion, not judgment. Like you didn't know that you'd been walking around in a world, okay, to some semblance, you had an idea of like doing something wrong, but you didn't know that you weren't safe to be you until you felt it, the impact, the hell of it. And the constriction of energy, the way it constricted energy. My energy now feels completely different than the energy when you walked in. It is completely different. And that has nothing to do with sleep or food or water or. They're all completely erroneous. It's got nothing to do in any. The fatigue that people feel has got nothing to do with the absence of sleep or whether they did red light bed before they went to bed or if they have like a sleep ate or they did enough glycine and touring or whatever it is and they got the wrong peptide stack. No, it's 'cause you're living in a world of survival at the nervous system level based on the conditioning of a child who's probably just really hurt and scared. I heard you say at a longevity conference that longevity is the most seductive term for the ego. Yeah, it's still a future-based proposition in religion we have haven't. This isn't it, but if you're a good person, you're good at having it. And money is like, oh, when you become a millionaire or when it's in relationships is when you meet the perfect one or if it's to do with materialism, when you have to boat in the house and the yaw. It's never now, which is one of the main lies, which is this, isn't it? There's something to like, for someone like Brian Johnson, for example, who's in Taylor World is about not dying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That seems like a compensation, surely. Totally, yeah. avoid an energy means you're in a resistance to life. If you're trying to avoid something, you're trying to avoid being in trouble, which is really trying to avoid not being loved, which you already were living in. So you can't avoid that, which you've already declared as your existence. That's why it's so exhausting. So you're trying to avoid even your own presence because you don't want to inconvenience anyone, which is you're not safe to be you. So trying not to, like his whole slogan, don't die, is completely informed by the avoidance of that, which is inevitable. And so he's pulling it closer to himself, which is why he's got the sickness that he has in the autoimmune because he's literally finding self, which is finding light. Autoimmune is attack on self, who are we were extensions of life, which is you're fighting the reality of life. You're going to lose, but only a hundred percent of the time. Wow. What else do I want to go into here because this is unbelievable? Well, let's just stay with you for now. So there can be integrated a little bit. So what was the first light that we uncovered? I've ever done anything wrong. In the absence of that, what becomes available for you? I mean, your word, your freedom, self-expression. Yeah, you get to do whatever the fuck you want. And as a responsible human being, you're not a oblivious to the consequences of action, but it doesn't inform your choices. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. So you don't just suddenly become cavalier and fuck it. I mean, whatever I want, but you're now free to, but you live with the consequences of the physical domain we live in. Totally. And the biggest one for me that feels like it's been so trapped is I can accept my own innate self desires. And with that, your own imperfections are human. Which one of the questions I was going to have for you today, which feels like it's answered itself is how do I connect more with the, like I feel like my intuition has gone offline, my sense of intuition. Yeah, it can't be there because you're too busy trying to survive. And then what was the big second light? That I'm not safe to be me. Yeah, which is just ridiculous when you're looking at it. Because I cannot be me. Right. Even though that me, which is a sound, which is a word that points to the entity that you call yourself, is going to be through a constant process of evolution over time. So the me does vary. But the essence of who you are can't be the real being that you are. The idea that it's not safe to be you points to a sufferer's story that you existing is, is not good, not allowed, which is ridiculous and impossible. So you've only been trying to live an impossible existence. And then you wonder why you fucking dies. Crazy. Oh my god. Yeah. So welcome to know you. Welcome to 2.0 world. Oh god. Thank you. You're welcome. The feeling I have right now is like, yeah, it's like high on drugs. There's high. Yeah. Yeah. On life. Yeah. It's like that quote that, again, when I said to you before the difference between the just having the analytical narrative versus the embodied experience, your quote, which is that I have an intimate relationship with reality. Correct. I could never have had that before. Ever. Ever. You're not available to life when you're in a place of survival. This is what you feel all the time. Correct. I mean, I have moments where I might slip into some sort of old residual self image, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool, isn't it? Amazing. Hence why I don't need drugs or alcohol. It's just tightly fucking tripping balls on life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Oh my goodness. Yeah. It's going to take you a while to integrate into it. Yeah. But I also look at you and the feeling that I have of you is you won't choose every environment, but you have, you seemingly will be okay anywhere. Yeah. Is the experience I have of you? Yeah. It's like Christian Emerty's quote. He said, this is my secret. I don't mind what happens. Just feel the freedom in that. I've taken it and I've adorned it a little bit more with my own, which is, and I have preference. So I don't mind what happens. It's okay. And I prefer things to be a certain way. And I'm going to do everything I can through my own discipline, dedication and commitment to create that life, but it doesn't always work that way in which case I'm okay, what happens? Even when we don't have power in the power, it's back on. I think we just, there's no surprise at the timing of like you tapping into your own. And the power of this. The power was often we got it in me as well. And I wouldn't say that despite this house being 22 million that you just tapped into something worth way more than that. Good for now. Good for now. Welcome to New World. Thank you. I want to just read this poem to you, Peter, because it seemed very in the Peter Cronvian. Sure. James McCray. Yeah. Instructions for visiting her. Yeah, it's beautiful. And I want to hear your perspective on it, but I want to read it to you. Yeah. But I just, I got Terry. I'd. Yeah. Here in it. In the event that you wake up and find your soul separated from source and manifest into material form, don't panic. Your condition is only temporary. You have been selected for the opportunity of human incarnation. This 3D simulation is designed to break up the monotony of eternity by giving you a fully immersive experience as a distinct ego identity. Your body will serve as your physical avatar as you navigate a dense and dramatic reality. There will be many distinctions, distractions causing you to forget your true nature and origin. You will experience a range of emotions from joy to loneliness to despair. But remember, no matter what trials and traumas you encounter, your soul remains perfectly safe. Could use that. At times, you may feel lost or afraid. This is totally normal. If you ever need guidance, simply slow down your busy mind and bring your awareness to the quiet place inside yourself. On this planet, nothing is permanent. People and things will come and go. You will fall in love and form sentimental attachments only to lose everything you hold dear. So cling to nothing too tightly, even yourself. It's like that lands for me. And when it's time to let go, let go with grace. For nothing is owned only by own. As you walk among the people on the planet, try to be a good guest. Tread lightly. Remember that you are only visiting. Don't make a mess. Listen more than you speak. Give more than you take. Don't keep your soft heart locked inside a glass cage. I could get emotional at that night. Protect it from wear and tear. You'll never make it out alive and time passes quickly. So come back with some battle scars and good stories to tell. As you reflect Peter on the nature of the purpose of being a soul incarnated on this planet and the nature of what it is to be human, if you could synapse and summarize what your message to the planet would be. Let's see all your content and everything you've ever put out just got evaporated and you didn't have long, but you could leave sort of a simple message for the planet that we could take in the book of history and use as a companion along our way. What would that message be? I mean the first thing that comes to mind is there's absolutely nothing wrong with you and I love you. I just hope you feel the same about yourself. I've always said people want three things to be seen heard and held, but they're looking for that from others. I think we need that catalyst to start with and hopefully that's the role that a parent plays whereas a being incarnate into this dimension that we get that experience. Unfortunately, we don't often with a parent. I was blessed that my dad definitely saw her and helped me and loved me unconditionally, but I think most people are just so desperately craving that they look for that from others, not realizing that as cliche as it is that we're looking to discover it for ourselves, which you just experienced today. So I don't only say the one thing and it's beautiful and I've shared it many times, you know, the second line, if you could read that second line, I just make a subtle distinction for people. So the first line in the event that you wake up and the second line is and find your soul separated from source. It's never separated from source. The only separation happens is you from the soul that you are because of the ego experience you have. So we're always connected to love, to freedom, to power, to the essence of who we are. Soul does not disconnect from source. Soul is source. What we're doing is we're becoming detached from the idea and the illusion of our own limited self. That's where we become we could say misidentified with form and you know separated from our soul, but we can never really be separated in from our soul. So again, I'm nitpicking or something. But that's what ego sounds like is your soul's never separated from source. Ego is what's separated from. Yeah, the misidentification, the idea that I'm not enough, that I'm somehow inadequate, that I am somehow living in a scarce dimension and that I have to compensate for all of my shortcomings versus no, the opportunity that is human is to recognize our imperfections and develop love for them. What a great way to learn love. It's easy to love all the things that you've got. like about yourself. The more better catalyst for true love than the things that you don't like about yourself. I've heard you say that the only thing trying to get rid of the ego is the ego itself. Yeah. What is the law of the ego? That's the game that we're here to play is that the experience of isolation, the experience of separation. I say yes, we're all one, but would we know that if it weren't for the Wii? Meaning without sounding too heavy and as a tariff, like consciousness as singularity doesn't have an experience of itself because compared to what. So we need the illusion of diversity and division to experience anything. This conversation doesn't happen if I'm sitting at home by myself. It's wonderful as a conversation it is. I'm probably not going to have it. I just sit there and just whatever the fuck I do. But the point is through the illusion of separation, we get to have experience. So this whole dimension allowing for the illusion of separation actually therefore inspires the investigation of who we are. Who am I? I think the underlying essence of every being is curiosity. If you look at a kid, if anyone listening to this as a parent, they have a kid, I guarantee you the number one word your children will always use as why? Why, mummy? Why, daddy? And that to me shows gives access to what is the nature of consciousness, and I think consciousness through us is just curious to know itself. All facets and some of them are quite dark and ugly. The capacity that man has to abuse are the man, the way that we harm each other and animals in life. That is unfortunately a frequency in the field of consciousness. But as we evolve, we see the other beautiful frequencies of love, of compassion, of kindness, of care, of cooperation. These are also aspects of consciousness. So in this dimension, I feel that as souls we become entangled in these stories, these lies, these constraints, and the gods are like, we've got the perfect place for you to go and figure that shit out. And I see you. Planet Earth, because you'll be triggered until you get it, and then you can break free and then we'll take you to a different dimension where it's more like Navanna and you don't have all the bullshit and corrupt politicians and people hurting each other. That's just my take. It's so beautiful. Yeah, so this is like the cheap motel seven of the hotel industry. We're going to the Ritz and the Four Seasons. You seem to make it quite nice, though. Yeah, well, you can create heaven on earth when you get out of your own fears and limitations. Yeah. What is that quote that the mind can make heaven of hell or hell of heaven? Yeah, mind is a place within itself and can make heaven of hell or hell of heaven. Yeah, Milton. My final question for you, Peter, and this is, I believe, hopefully this will land for other people too, but I've hinted at it in different moments. I ultimately have a desire to do what you do to impact people in this way and support people in breaking through their greatest challenges. If you were to give me guidance as a 27-year-old man, what would you say to me? I was first say, but I get it. I love it, and I can see it really, really clearly for you, so don't worry. It's taken care of. You don't come to me and say, how do I become a 29-year-old? That's not a conversation that occurs to you, because even though it's not a guarantee, there's an expectation that's part of the evolution of your life, I would put what you want to do as that category. That makes sense, so rather than trying to get to it, recognizes an unveiling as opposed to something you have to chase, so it's taking care of. It's just happening. It's going to take it. For now, the access and the prelude to you having that experience is for you to start to realize that you've never done anything wrong, which gives you permission to exist, that you can't not be you and the idea that it's not safe you to be as poposterous. Now you start to tap into your self-expression, because in the absence of those constraints, you're going to tap into what you need to inspire other people to do what you want to do, which is to help them discover freedom. I often use the metaphor of when I used to ski in Europe, and if I got a guide or an instructor, the instructor could only show me as much of the mountain as he knows. If you use that analogy for yourself, the people that you want to help are going to be living in the world that you've only just stepped out of. All you could have shown them is a slightly better way to perfect their limited self, which is the arch-part that we talked about earlier. Now I want you to explore the new world that you've just stepped into so that you can help them discover the same. So in order to help others, your opportunity right now is to fully embrace, fully enjoy the full self-expression and the freedom of you, truly being you, because I guarantee you, that's what the world is looking for, the permission for them to be themselves. Yeah. Sounds like also let go of the idea that there's anywhere to get. It's already happening. That's another one of my quotes you probably never heard. I say there's always somewhere to get to, until you realize there isn't. Peter, this has been one of the greatest gifts of my life to sit in front of you and I do not, for one moment, say that lightly. If you'd have seen my journal entry two years ago when I was just becoming privy to your work in a new way, the space I was in at that time of my life, to now it feels like a manifestation in real form. They say don't meet you here. That narrative has been dissolved right before my eyes. You love your compassion, your heart, your presence. It's just a beautiful and incredible example for me of what it means to be the embodiment of the man that I and I would assert so many men aspire to be in the world. So, thank you. Thank you. It's beautiful. For a 27-year-old, you're pretty fucking wise and articulate and I have to say as humbly as I can, I feel very honored that I get to be part of your journey because I can see the difference you're going to make and to know that I was a part of that is it's very flattering. For me more than really anyone, that means a great deal to me. Thank you. Just to close this out, what people, I mean, I feel like the whole fucking world knows who you are at the moment, the way you're going, but what is on the horizon for you and what, I mean, this will come out in the next week or so, so what can people expect to see from you and where can they find you? Well, if it does come out next week or two, I would really invite people to consider doing my mastermind because you did that, so you can speak to that maybe in the intro or outro or whatever. The most powerful thing I offer, if they were touched or moved in any way by this conversation, then to me there's no greater investment than to tap into this world of freedom and the best way is through my three month mastermind. I often say we look at the price of things in life sometimes because I know there's hesitation which I get, you know, the investment of whatever it is not my mastermind, it could be something else you want a new car or a new outfit, but then I always say but what's the cost of staying exactly where you are? So that's the best thing and then I'm going to create this new 2.0 world membership, which will be the upgraded version of freedom where I will have a presence, people want the proximity to me, so every month I'll be doing my own little workshop inside of this new membership and that certainly be much more available for people, but yeah a lot more to come. So beautiful. Peter, thank you so much. Thank you my friend, pleasure to be with you and finally welcome to fucking being here and still fighting. I feel so good. I feel so good. You're welcome.