#87 - Dr Joanna Howe - Pro-Life, Immigration & Australia’s Political Future

(upbeat music) - Hi guys, welcome back to Two Worlds Cloud Podcast. On today's episode, we have Dr. Joanna Howe. I hope you guys enjoy. But yeah, I just used the iPhones. They've got a terabyte storage on them. So there's nothing to worry about with storage. And then I use AI editing. So I'll be able to edit this episode. So probably, we'll probably start, always started. It's 9.30 now. I'll have this edit of, edit, book, jeez. (laughing) Morning. I'll have this episode edited probably by 12. I've loaded onto YouTube. And I'll have the short done by about one o'clock. - Okay. - And then I'll get on my plane, fly out to Brisbane. - Oh cool, can you make a short today? - No, this will be Sunday night. - Oh cool, so I might just not make a short on Sunday, just so that you, I'll use your, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. - That's nice, yeah, thanks Sam. - So what you wanna do as well is get, it's close to your hands to the mic. And you wanna be facing over here. - Okay. - Yep, so then you can talk this way. - And I look at you though. - Yes, that's right. - Okay. - Joanna, how are you? Welcome to two of us, Cloud Podcasts. - Oh, I'm so excited. - Yes, I was, I was, I was thinking to myself, how am I gonna start this podcast this morning? And I've known about you and your work for a long time. And I wanna make a bit of a confession. I did wanna have you on, probably a year ago. But I was a little bit, probably, you know, well, not worried. I was a little bit, 'cause I'm not a female. (laughing) I don't, you know, and like, I don't wanna be talking about these issues when I haven't been through it myself. But I feel now as a father, right? I'm more inclined to be able to talk about this issue. 'Cause I've watched me and my wife go through it. I've watched my wife go through birth. And I've watched how special it is. I've watched how amazing it is. Even from the first time we had the first scan, you get to see the little thing. And I'm like, that's a human. - Yeah. - And it made me have a whole sense of compassion, right? Because I would watch some of your stuff online. And I'd be like, oh, you know, like, I don't know. Like, here's it, right? But then you go through it as a father. From a father point of view, and I watched that little thing grow. And I'm like, I mean, I completely understand where you're coming from. And then you did a video the other day with that little baby. - Sammy? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like that. They just left it on the table. It broke my heart. - Yeah. - And yeah, so that's why I've got you here. And that's why I've sort of, I don't know, 'cause this is more of a political type podcast or a bit of a, I mean, I would have a lot of females that listen to this. But yeah, I just, there was a difference side of me that when I became a father, I'm like, well, I think we need to start talking about these topics as well. - Yeah, well, I wondered, I was thinking about when he's gonna ask, when are you gonna have me on. And I wondered whether it was because the delay was perhaps because you hadn't formed a proper view on the issue because it can take time. I don't know if you know, I used to be pro-joists back in my early 20s. I was just a brainwashed leftist feminist. It's in the uni. And back in that time, my first job was working for the trade union movement for Bill Shorten in Victoria. And I guess I believed that women needed abortion to be equal to men. 'Cause that's the feminist line, right? That women need abortion or they're not gonna be able to be in the sea suite or going to politics because otherwise men have that capacity to neuter their reproductive function. Women should be able to do it too. So that was what I thought. And then when I was 21, I was in Victoria actually working for Bill Shorten at the time, but also doing volunteer youth work. And we were traveling in a car. There was this guy in the car. There was a whole bunch of us. I had a bit of a crush on the guy. And the topic of abortion came up and it became a big fight. Because I expressed my view that women needed abortion to be equal to men. He then act right up and was just like, what, don't you know what abortion is? And I was sort of like, well, it's just, it's not a baby, it's just a kind of cells or a paris, I didn't say kind of cells or paris, but I think I just said it's not a baby yet. And I never really thought about it, which I'd wager most people, perhaps even those listening, haven't really thought about it. But he said, well, we know what it is because of what it's parents lie. Like, you know, how you said when you saw your child on the ultrasound, you knew that was a human being. So the child of two humans is a human being. It's a human fetus. So he made that point. And I said, well, it might be a human being, but it's not developed, it's not alive. And then he went through the, well, it's growing, and the test of whether something's alive, is whether it's growing. And this is a, you know, a zygote becoming an embryo, becoming a fetus often too. You know, and so then he said, you know, you're on the side of killing a living human being. It felt very uncomfortable and it got very heated. And we went back and forth in the end, we just had to like call it, like, and just not talk about the topic. But I then started researching abortion. And there was one academic paper that talked about the issue very dispassionately, but it also had pictures of a board of fetuses. And there were, you know, this was pre 12 weeks, but you could see a face and arm a leg. And I guess I just knew that there had to be another way for women to be equal to men that this couldn't be yet. So you sort of thought to yourself that potentially, he had a point. He was right. I actually changed my mind. Like it took a little bit of time in this, now I was 21 at this point, but I, over a period of sort of weeks, I changed my mind on the issue. And I even thought to myself at the time, gosh, this is like a massive human rights crisis that we're doing this to 88,000 Australian babies. And no one's even talking about it. At that point, you know, Victoria was legislating abortion up to birth. It was the first day to do it. So without any restriction on demand. Up to birth. Up to birth. And, yeah. And, you know, it, it, the problem is, right, that these methods of abortion, like you mentioned, Samuel, some of them will often result in a live birth following an abortion. So in Queensland and Victoria, to the present day, one baby a week will survive their abortion and be left to die. And so I guess I was hanging my eyes open to some of this stuff. Did they do that? That's a real start. Yeah. So for example, in 2022, there were 50 Queensland babies like Samuel who survived their abortion and then are left to die. Now, they'll do this at a pre-viable gestation. I don't know if you remember seeing your child at the 20-week scan. That's that morphal. It was just scan to see if they've got any disabilities. You often find that gender at that scan? Did you go to that one? Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. So in Queensland, because it's, you need a specialist or OB/GYN to do a particular method of abortion, the one where you kill the baby first. So you rip the arms and legs off with metal four steps, crush the skull and then pull the baby out. That's called a dilation and evacuation. That's the method from 13 weeks to like 24 weeks, 22 to 24 weeks. Is that how they do it? That's a dilation and evacuation. So that's the pre-killing the baby first. You've got a baby on an ultrasound that you're going in with metal four steps and you're ripping an arm off its socket and pulling it out, ripping a leg off its socket and pulling it out. The final step is to crush the skull. So the baby's actually alive and can feel pain according to some scientific reports. So there's mixed data. We know pretty definitively that we're, sorry, that babies are feeling pain from 22 weeks on but even pre like 12 to 22 weeks, there's some cognizance. Like your child started reacting to light and sound around the 14 week mark. They started hearing, you know, your wife's voice and your voice a little bit after that, right? So it's just, look, I didn't, that was one of the things that convicted me as I started researching the methods of abortion. Like this is not just the baby magically disappears, right? If you Google online and ask the government, what is an abortion? They'll say it's the process of terminating a pregnancy without giving birth to a baby. But what they neglect to say is the baby has to come out. So they're either coming out in pieces, arms and legs ripped off, skull crushed at the end, or they're actually deliberately inducing labor early of a baby like Samuel who's 16 weeks. This is done, this live induction is done up until 22 weeks. And so babies are coming out alive and lying there on metal kidney dishes in empty rooms like Samuel, he was sucking his thumb. And there was a couple of hospital workers who took photos. There wasn't just one photo of this little boy. There was several because they were just so shocked to see this little boy lying there breathing sucking his thumb, you know, trying to comfort himself by sucking his thumb. And he was there for about 30 minutes before he died. But they can live for hours. And they just leave them there. They just leave them there because, yeah, it is totally, it's like, it's mind-bogglingly cruel. Like they're torturing these babies and murdering them. And you know why they do it? So for example, in Queensland, I said, there was 50 babies in 2022 that survived their abortion and then were left to die like Samuel. They did that because it's just cheaper and more efficient. They don't want to have specialists, because to do that, ripping the arms and legs off the DNA evacuation, you need a specialist OB/GYN because that's got, you just need to be more precise with your movements. There's more risks to the mother. But just giving her a pill that induces labor at a pre-viable gestation, that's cheaper and easy than you do it anywhere. I would have thought that this, something like this would be, would be quick, wouldn't be brutal. It would be like a lethal injection type of thing where they would just put someone to sleep. That's what I thought. So it's not like that at all. So there's different methods. So what I described was the second trimester method. And in South Australia, for example, we have the data. It's about 430 babies a year that have their arms and legs ripped off and their torso's and skull's crushed. That in the second trimester, there's about 400. So over one a day? Yeah. Yeah, and so one's gonna happen today. Yeah, and even in this conversation, you know, there's 88,000 babies killed a year through abortions, the leading cause of death. Not a. It's really unsettling, sorry. I know. I actually feel right. I don't feel right. I don't feel good. It always brings a tear to my heart. Yeah. I know. And I find this really hard because I hate being the person to do this. Like I would rather be the bearer of good news. And I didn't want to do this work. It's totally career suicide. In fact, it's completely carbon-bonded my career as an academic. You know, I don't know if you know this about me, but prior to doing this work, the left loved me because I wrote about migrant worker exploitation. I particularly wrote about temporary migrants and undocumented migrants. And you know, whatever your view is of migration, like as to whether these people should be allowed in the country or not, my view is still that they're people and we should treat them decently when they're here, right? And so my work looked at that. I did a lot of work with farmers as well. But you know, I was on four corners, seven, thirty. I was constantly publishing opinion pieces in the city morning, Harold. But in 2021, when South Australia legislated abortion up to birth, and I had this moment where I was like, I cannot speak about the vulnerability of working people and not speak about the vulnerability of these babies in the womb who in my own home state are now going to be able to be killed right up until birth for any reason. I just had this awakening. It's probably a bit like your moment. Because you sort of, in my mind, just burst onto the scene. I didn't know much about you. I didn't know anything about you actually until I saw it. Came up on my feed, it was just like, "Met an off-flut, my husband's off." It's like, "Oh, this is interesting." But for me, that was the awakening. I have to do something about this because once you know about these babies and how they're being killed, I guess you just can't unhear it. So for example, in Victoria, once they introduced abortion up to birth, and the lie that they always say is, "Oh, it's so rare. You're only going to end the pregnancy of a baby that's incredibly sick, so it's compassionate. All the mother's going to die." That's what they tell you, right? But it's just a complete lie. 75% of late-term abortions since health Australia killed a healthy baby, so no disability. Now, I don't think we should kill the disabled babies, but the data says it very clearly. We're not killing disabled babies. 75% of late-term abortions killed healthy babies with a mum whose life is not at risk because the method for a late-term abortions after 23 weeks. It is the injection of potassium chlorant into the heart. I think what people would like to imagine is that this baby is just peacefully put to sleep, but it's not. It's the same chemical agent that they were using on death row. It was so inhumane, some prisoners spoke about this and blew the lid on it. It was so inhumane, like it creates a burning sensation in the heart. It's excruciating pain. They're going to cardiac arrest. This little baby who's in the place where they're safest, all of a sudden, is injected with poison into the heart. They don't die instantly, sometimes they have to go in again, sometimes they even survive it. Then the mother takes a pill to induce labor and she gives birth to her dead baby, a stillborn baby. In South Australia, that dead full-term baby can just be placed in the medical waste bin. That's what happens, right? What? Yes. Just in the bin. In the bin. That aren't given a burial or nothing? No. Nothing. Now, in many ways, we should applaud them. That's consistent. They don't think this is a person. No, that's a human life. We don't just throw human lives into the bin. Yeah. I've interviewed midwives on my channel. When this first happened, they changed the law. It took a year to come into effect, July 2022, right? One of them midwives, our hospital, she reached out on social media. She saw a bill that I drafted to say babies after 28 weeks. She said, "Look, I wanted to tell you we were involved in one of the first of these." We had no idea. They're called social terminations. The midwives were used to late term abortions, sometimes severely like to say, "But babies at that point, that had been legal so they were aware of those." But then these midwives, right? This baby's been pre-cooled somewhere else by some monsters injected the baby in the heart with poison. The monster actually has to look at that baby on the ultrasound, see that wiggling, healthy, beautiful baby, and then find the left ventricle of the heart and inject a needle full of poison into it. I think you have to be a psychopath to do that kind of work. But anyway, the midwives aren't really told very much and what happened was this baby was delivered, still born, but they were told this baby's going in the bin and the mother doesn't see it. Normally when they deliver stillbirths, that's a tragedy. The mother wants to see the baby to grieve. But here they were told, "No, no, no, no, this isn't abortion." They're looking at this 26-week-old healthy baby and just thinking, "Oh my gosh, we did this deliberately. Like, this is murder. It's so just obviously murder." And then one of them had the job of putting the baby in the bin. None of the work was done that day. They were just so traumatized. And the government actually, the SA Health Chains, the system after that. That would screw them. Yeah. That would give them massive pain. They're so much trauma. They would be having massive trauma from that. Yeah, the midwife that gave me baby Samuel's picture, the health worker. That person risked her job and career to do so, but she's just so broken from it. Oh, yeah, that's a life-changing experience. Yeah, and so just to get to the point. So a woman who, like if your wife had had emergency, like high-prey clamps here, some health issue, latent pregnancy, so after 23 weeks, she would be rushed to hospital. Your baby's very much wanted. They would do an emergency cesarean to get that baby out and to enter pregnancy so that they could save her life and then try and also save that baby's life. That's the response because you get the baby out in less than an hour. A late-term abortion, the process I just described, of injecting the baby with poison and then the mum delivering the baby naturally, that takes 24 to 72 hours. It's a three-day process. And so you're not doing that if the mother's life is at risk. And so it's just a lie to say, oh, women need late-term abortion or they're going to die. And the thing I knew is that in Victoria underabortioned up to birth laws in 2011, there was a healthy 37-week-old baby that was aborted for a psychosocial reason. So 37 weeks is full-term. And the doctors decided that because the mother said, I'm suicidal. Instead of saying, we'll deliver the baby alive and give you mental health care. Like you're clearly really at risk. You need to be hospitalized and treated under mental health care. Instead they inject the baby's heart with poison and then the mum goes through labor and delivers that baby dead. So in 2024, I worked with Ben Hood to devise a bill that said, it was a world first. No one had ever drafted this before. But essentially it said, after 28 weeks, the mother has a right to terminate a pregnancy, but she doesn't have the right to kill the baby. She has to go through labor anyway. Let's deliver that baby alive. Peter Malan-Nasquez and labor blocked that bill. What a piece of shit. Yeah, says he's a Catholic, right? I hate Peter. Says, oh, I'm about faith, footy and family. I mean, that's a. That's a no in the coffin for him. I mean, I didn't like to go anyway, but he is a piece of shit. He really said that and he claims to be a Catholic. He claims to be a Christian man. Yeah. So he says this is not a big issue for the people of this state. What a fraud. And I just think there are so many people that still have blinkers on about that man. Like, he just epitomizes for me, someone that has put everything on the altar of career, of power. Like, I think Peter would do anything for power. So he may have. You know, he's in this like parliamentary Christian prayer group thing. But how can you claim to be a Christian? And how can you court the Christian vote? And then. Because he gives up his morals because he has the pandits of the. The left. Yeah. The left of the Labour Party runs that party. I've heard he's very, very conservative based of the Christian man like someone even compared him to like a Nick Fuentes Catholic. But it just shows how much the lying scumbag piece of shit he really is that he would go against stuff like this because he needs the panda to the left and his Labour Party. Yeah. He's a dumb thing. The Labour Party, Labour Right, back in the 1990s, the SDA used to be the most powerful union and their work and conservative Catholics in that party, their were pro-lifers in that party. But now the left dominates that party. So he, to be premier and ultimately to be premier minister, which I think he's a goal, he's end goal. He needs left the left on side, you know. They are now dominant. You may have a bit of selling himself out. Yeah. So he was throwing anyone under the bus, including like this is a father of four who's seen his wife presumably give birth. He's presumably, in present at least some of the ultrasounds. He knows what's going on and yet he was okay with completely destroying a bill that would have saved babies after 28 weeks and up until birth. You know, I don't know what gestation your child was born at but one of mine, like we've got five of them, one of them was born at 37 weeks and when I looked at Jesse at Flinders I just thought at this very same age in Victoria, a little baby, your age was injected with poison and delivered dead. Like it's just unfathomable that this happens in the name of healthcare. Did this play on you all the time? Because it's playing on me right now. Yeah. So I think I go through phases of being desensitized to it because I'm talking about it so much. But then there are other times where it just completely breaks my heart and I just cannot cope. So what do you do to get out of that? Well, I'm really lucky with my husband because he's a really good man. Yeah, he's actually the guy. So the guy we had the argument with when I was 21 on abortion, I married him. Oh, is he really? Yeah. So that actually made the argument extra annoying because I liked him and I thought he was hot and then here he was just intellectually destroying me on this argument that I was certain I was right about but I realized later I ended up marrying him. Ended up marrying him. And we've never been fighting ever since but I don't know if you ever watched our podcast Christmas spot on it. Hey, yeah. I think he keeps me really grounded on this stuff. Sam, we're a Christian as well. So I guess I look at the lens of all of this with the knowledge that in my worldview, these babies go to heaven. So I guess I know that, but what I hate is that this is just, it's just so monstrously evil to do this to these babies. And even though I know there's hope and the end of this story is good, I guess. I still feel like this is just something that we have to fix and get right. Or we're never going to have, like something Mother Teresa said was, there will never be peace in the world while we're killing, while we're allowing a mother to kill her own child. And so the left had loved her because of the work she did with the poor. But whenever they gave her one of their accolades, so they gave her the Nobel Peace Prize. And she shocked everybody because in that speech, she actually just spoke about abortion as the greatest evil in the world today. And they just didn't know what to do. They couldn't take the prize away. She was then invited to speak at the US prayer breakfast in Hillary Clinton was there and Bill Clinton. And again, she spoke about abortion as the fundamental destroyer peace in the world. And everyone gave her a standing ovation at the prayer breakfast, but the Clinton stayed sedentary. They sat down. You know, I think it does. Well, the Clinton's got no moral compasses. They've got like the abamets, right? You know, and I think. We'll involve with Jeff Rebson, Pizzi Gait, trusting out being down there. These people are fucking immoral cowards. They're disgusting. They are disgusting. Yeah, it's so disturbing. So even if I lost my faith today, I would still do this work because I know that a baby in the womb is a human being and we have to fight for them. And so that's my goal. I just want to end abortion. Do you feel like you're fighting evil? I do. Yeah. And sometimes it feels really tough. That first, Bill that we drafted and it lost by one vote. And Connie Benaris, who's running again. Oh, just, and she's trying to court the Greek Orthodox vote. And she's just, I don't know how to describe it. To say, she feels somewhat possessed to me. She's the manifestation of evil and what she does. So she was one of the bigger perpetrators of abortion up to birth. She was one of the people that, so when that vote finished, we lost by one vote. She turns around to me and my husband, who was sitting in the front row and she said, we win. We always win. And like. I would have jumped the thing and probably pinned her up. I was lucky you were there. James, James said it's not over yet. Is that what she said? That's what she said. And James said to me. We win to slaughter baby. We'll own Lady of this shit. Yeah. And honestly, like, she was so dark. She said, are you fighting evil? Like in that moment, in that place, it felt like we were fighting evil. Here with these people, like Kay and Marley Attorney General standing up saying that they want babies to be injected with poison after 28 weeks. Because this was a bill like in many ways they were so angry because we kind of. I don't know if you've noticed about our side of politics, but we're really piss weak. And we don't introduce bills because we think, oh, we're not going to win. And I think that's so pathetic. And people don't want to be judged. Yeah. But think about what the left has done. Like to get abortion up to birth, I think they introduced it 18 times to get government assisted suicide. That was 17 times. Like Tammy Franks is on to like her umpteenth attempt to try and legalize prostitution in this state. Like these people are so aggressive about evil and those of us who are on the side of good are so weak. And so we introduced this bill that really exposed them because when they got abortion up to birth, they said things like, oh, this is just about you know decriminalization, it's about women not going to jail for accessing necessary vital healthcare to save their lives. We took all of that out and we just said, so from 28 weeks and up until birth, you've got a viable healthy baby. The mother can still enter pregnancy, but that baby comes out alive. Agree or disagree. Only a monster disagrees with that contention. Exactly right. They expose them and they lost their shit. Like they just went nuts. And I don't know if you know, but a couple of weeks later I got banned from the parliament. Like I'm still banned from the parliament. Can you go on a parliament? No. No. And you know what? There was no due process. So like they didn't write to me and say, this is what we're alleging you did. What you know, here's the evidence, you know, what's your side of the case. They used unilaterally like Connie Benares, Emily Burke, I am ganged up all the pro-warshan forces. And this happened. Peter Malanasca's new, this was happening. Nothing happens in that place without his impromata. And so, you know, they should point these people out to me so I can do a real on them. Yeah. Okay, I'll send some stuff you away. Yeah. I'd love that. I'd love it too. Well, it's collied like take down of these people there. Like, you need to do more on Peter to be honest. Like I just feel like he gets such a pony. Yeah, he gets too much of a run. But the thing is, right, is Peter has a lot of people that he's manipulated in this state because he's boarding things like live golf, gather around and he makes everyone happy. I know. Well, while he proudly stands there and pushes back on builds that small little babies, while he prints a whole bunch of debt in this state, all because he gives us the circus of what Peter is and he's, you know, people say that he's a good looking man. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's just that it's so come on guys. He's a fraud. Yeah, because even on something like even, I don't know what your audience will think about this abortion question. But even on the issue of gender ideology, right, what on my YouTube channel, I interviewed a mom and a daughter at a local Catholic school near us. And in that Catholic school, a biological boy is being allowed to access the girls' bathroom because he identifies as a girl and represent the school because he beats the girls and the racers. He represents them at the state athletics champion. Is this happening? This is happening. And the girls are being told to use the disabled bathroom, even if they're not disabled, right? And I'm not angry. She's running as a one nation candidate in my local area because she's just so upset and the girls aren't drinking water because they know that that's good. I like that. Yeah, I, she's, because now she's going to try and fix it. She is, but this comes from the top. It comes from Peter Malinascar's government, which believes this insane ideology that a boy can be a girl. And so like you got to shine essay, which is funded by the government. You had a headspace funded by the government. It's all part of this cult. You know, Nikki Garland in Remark, she spoke about how her daughter came home from school. And they were taught bestiality as a method of sexual expression in year five by a headspace who came in to do the sex talk. How old are you, Fives? Year Fives are, so my daughter's 12, 11. 11? Yeah. So they get into that at 11 years old? Yeah. It's, there's an insane radical left ideology that governs us state. Peter Malinascar's is the front of it. He comes across as the like shiny, good looking handsome man who presents all of this. Things like a moderate. But he runs a government that is radically left. And you know how they often do these things as well. And I'm probably going to get sucked for telling you this because you know I work at the university. Will you get sucked in? Well, let me just tell you what I'd, but I want to say this because you know how they do these things. I mean, just be careful because like this, this podcast goes very far. No, I know that's them, but you've got to be, I have to be truthful about what's going on. I have to, like, I just don't want you to lose your job. Well, I guess that my husband said when I started doing this work, you're going to get sucked. And I was investigated six times in 18 months and I took the university to the Fair Work Commission because they accused me of research misconduct on the sixth investigation. Found I'd done nothing wrong. That's still in post-corrective actions. They wanted me to do an anti-biased course and I said, no way. Am I doing corrective actions? When your own investigation is said, I'm not doing something. I haven't done anything wrong and I appealed it internally like four times, writing letters myself because I know the law, I'm a professor of law. And they kept rejecting me. Eventually, I got a law firm in, they rejected the law firm's letter and then I took them to the Fair Work Commission with the assistance of that law firm. And we won. The university backed off. I didn't have to do that course. Universities, have they been infiltrated by evil work left? Absolutely. But you know how leftist governments get to implement their social agenda. They put it into the university. The university says it's research and they publish a report saying, oh yes, this leftist vision is exactly how the world should operate and he's all the data to suggest it. And then the government goes and implement it. So that's how Washington up to birth got introduced. He got handed to my workplace, the Adelaide Law School, the South Australian Law Reform Institute gets paid huge amounts of money from the government, our taxpayer money, to provide an outcome that the government wants. That they'll say it's independent research. But when you're asking leftist academics who think that killing a baby up to birth is health care, you know the answer you're going to get. Well, they're going to coordinate everything. Of course, yeah. And so prior to this current election, Kiyem Ma announced that he was handing to the Adelaide Law School a review of the prostitution system because the left wants to make it legal. They want to make it legal. And it's women who end up exploited in this situation. It's often migrant women like that. All of their morals and virtue signaling goes out the window when it comes to some of this stuff. But they've had it to the Adelaide Law School who will no doubt publish reports saying that this is in the best interest of the state. And then Peter Malan asks us the so-called Christian will legalise this. What a piece. Because you would have been a bit of a hero of the left, wouldn't you? Yeah, back in the day. Like, you know, the Minister Clare O'Neill appointed me to review the migration programs. Is that Clare O'Neill? Is that the housing minister? Yes. The one that never hits her targets? Yeah. That's the one. So she used to be the home affairs minister. And back in the day when I wasn't completely cancelled by these people, she rang me up. It was kind of a funny story. We were on a family holiday bogged. Like we've gone forward driving and the car was bogged in the mud. And she calls me and you know, you never get a call from a government minister really. Like that's very unusual. And she said, you know, I'd like to appoint you. Are you probably doing it? Yeah. Well, they all want you now. But as an academic, it's quite rare, right? They never have. Yeah. Because we're not typically in the public eye the way you would be. And they don't, you know, so anyway, she calls and says, you know, I'd like to invite you to be one of three expert reviews for the entire migration program. But that's because they loved me. Like. I was at Albanese's Jobs and Skills Summit. They invited 100 experts around the country. I almost feel embarrassed saying this stuff now, because I realize I was thinking of a cool aid, right? And Jim Charmers comes up to me after I do my little presentation. He says, "Oh, you're the most effective communicator ever seen. How do we get you to run for labor?" I'd started doing the pro-life social media for about three months, but honestly, it wasn't like yours, which just blew up straight away. Mine was incredibly embarrassing and no one. It was just so awkward. And I was also so bad at it. I'd never been on socials, didn't have to do a video. And so I just had to learn, like, if you scroll back to the beginning of my feed, it's a cringe fest. But anyway-- Same as mine. Same as mine. Or same as yours? Or we might have to do that too. Scroll back to my early podcast, like one and two. I mean, I'm really embarrassed. Me too. But I'd leave them up because you need to show where you come from. Yeah, me too. So I've left mine up to. But anyway, so Jim Charmers didn't know, and Claire and Neil didn't know about this really crazy shit I was doing on socials. And so Claire appoints me to be the head of this thing. Jim asked, how can we run for the labor? But I was thinking in my head, none of these guys know about my social media feed. Now, I think at some point when I was doing the-- It's going to come out. Yeah, I think Claire found out at some point during the review. It was about a six month review. Did they ask her? Get you away. They didn't ask. But she sort of-- I felt like she shifted towards me. I felt like she-- because-- But in the first few months, I was honestly reaching 1,000 people a month. Now it's 25 million accounts every month. But back then, it wasn't. And it's really hard to stay faithful to the core to do this work when you feel like you're blowing up your whole life. But I do feel like the time has come for people to do this. It's just we cannot let this leftist ideology run the world. Like, what future-- are you doing this for your child? Because I'm doing this for my children. I'm doing this for my children country. Yeah, me too. Because we can't go on like this. This is insane. It's got to the point as well where-- and I didn't really know too much about this. Hence why I got you on, because I'm really interested in it also. But I also want to give it a voice, because I understand-- you hear a few things on Joe Rogan back in the day. I used to watch a few things about it. But when you actually get to hear it firsthand, it's quite confronting. I don't like this. It's really, really hit a bit of a nerve in me. It's a pinch of bit of a nerve. But to understand what's actually happening, and how our government is turning a blind eye to it, and a lot of these fake people, like that fake, like Penamount asks is he's a fake Christian. Yeah, totally. Fake Christian. Jim Charmers, I think he's a fake Christian. Yeah, that's-- Claire, whatever Claire is, I don't know. He really knows. But it's just-- Yeah, it's-- Someone like Michelle Rolland, I don't know if she was the one behind the Miss Info Disinfobia, and I think she's currently the Attorney General. Anyway, she's in the electorate of-- is it Greenway in New South Wales Bible about like Hillsongs in that electorate? It's a very conservative Christian electorate. And she's the person that-- so I don't know if you know this, but I think it's 2022 Bill Shorden went to the polls, or was it 2019? But the election before Albanese it became prime minister Shorden was the leader of the Federal Labor Party. They actually took a platform of federally funded abortions right up until birth. It would have been 2019. Because I only really took interest in politics after the mass fires we had in Scoma was overseas. Yeah, and it was 2019, because I remember I was pregnant, and it was in my election. Yeah. OK, so they took a radical abortion policy to the polls. And they-- honestly, there was a review of why they lost, because they were expected to win that election campaign, and then Shorden lost, and he was totally shocked. And the election review that was done by J. Wehrner will say it was because one of the reasons-- one of the three main reasons was they lost the Christian vote, because they went too far. And so after that 2019 election lost, you know what they did? They appointed Michelle Rolland and Deb O'Neill and these so-called conservatives to do faith outreaches, to build faith relationships with leaders. So they just networked and kissed up to all of the religious leaders. So they grifted off the religious race of Christianity to get the vote? Absolutely. And Christians fell for it. So in Western Sydney, all of those seats are labor. In the Bible belt in New South Wales, like Michelle's seat, it's a labor seat. And yet they are the party of abortion up to birth for any reason. Did you know that last year the Albanese government actually changed it to force private employers to pay paper and to leave if a woman has a late-tem abortion? Because a woman delivers her baby stillborn. That's the method I told you for a late-tem. So she's still living a stillborn baby. Now you and I, people, everyone listening, would go. An intentional stillbirth is very different to a tragic natural stillbirth. They're both tragedies because the babies died. But in one, the baby's been murdered. And in the other, the baby's died of natural causes. They're not the same thing. Now the governments are already using taxpayer funds to pay government-funded paper and to leave and the stillbirth parenting payment to intentional late-tem abortions. But three baby pre-Sbyl last November, they're now forcing private employers to pay paper and to leave for late-tem abortions. So their ideological agenda is so extreme. Is there, I've also had someone get paid $4,000 for an abortion as well. So that's the stillbirth parenting payment. And when you've had a late-tem abortion and given birth to a stillbirth after 20 weeks, you can choose between paid, parental leave, funded by the government, which is $20,000, or the stillbirth parenting payment, which is $4,300. Now most women are obviously going to pick the paper and to leave. So you can now get $20,000 for a late-tem abortion. We broke that story last year and Pauline Hanson asked questions in the parliament and confirmed it. So for example, let's say if someone just gets randomly knocked up and they found out that they're pregnant, then they know that there is money out there. And they say to themselves, well, find just weight, 15 weeks on this, I can get a bunch of money. - Yep, absolutely. So I spoke to one reason I found this out was because a hospital administrator told me that this was happening and they were having to sign the form to stamp that a stillbirth and occurred, the Centrelink form, right? And it was for social terminations, healthy babies killed. And one midwife even said that-- - What do they call it social termination? - A social termination. - That's what they call it. And I even, another hospital worker, I don't even saw on my Facebook, it's actually taken this down 'cause the Queensland government pressured them to. But I-- - Of course they did. - 'Cause they did, right? I published a copy of a birth book from a regional hospital 'cause it's already by hand in these regional Queensland hospitals. It showed baby Amira born at 26 weeks and it said social termination, 726 grams, right? And they had all of the babies born that day in the hospital, all the wanted babies. But one line there is this other baby who we've called Amira, she's just unnamed in the book, but 26 weeks, 726 grams. And social termination is the reason. It's just madness that this is seen as healthcare, you know? And that women are paid, like Amira's mum would have got, could have got 20,000 from the government. And then for me, Matt Leve, is worth about 100,000 bucks from my employer. So, you know, like this, this huge financial incentives. And so one of the midwives said that after I relate to him abortion, the woman turned around and said, I'm gonna use the money to go to Bali. And that she was one of the people that contacted me. Like it, it's, and I think-- - On a holiday. - On a holiday. The media doesn't talk about this because they're all wrapped up in this agenda. - Well, with the media, you know, like, when I'm Carl Stephan, I make sure a couple weeks ago and he even said to me, he's like, you don't understand, all of these writers, producers, everyone that works in the media is just a raging lefty. And they are, you know, the people that write the scripts, the people that are involved in the production, they're all just massive lefty. - Well, they're coming from the university system, right? That's how they're getting the job. - That's what I said to him. - Well, that's, of course, that's happening because they're all coming from university. He goes, yeah, that's it. And I mean, that's probably why they don't talk about it because they all agree with it. - No, and so the mainstream media never covers me. Except to a hit piece. But what I, you would know that well. But what I love about social media is that they do a hit piece and then I respond, you know, and you can really grow that way. So, you know, even the banning from the essay Parliament, which was entirely spurious grants that they said that I yelled in the Parliament and that I bullied MPs. I had a conversation with one MP where I told it, if you don't vote for the bill, I'm gonna tell my 120,000 followers that you did this and we're gonna hold you to account, right? I mean, that's just the democratic process. But then she gets up in Parliament two weeks later and sobs about the fact that she was bullied. - Sockshi. - Yeah, that's Jean Lee. She's running again. It's insane that these people are insane. And then they said that I yelled in the Parliament during the vote. And the thing was, I didn't say word. I was never kicked out. There's actual video evidence because they video these days. - So they lied. - So they just lied. - Yeah, of course it is. - It's just so crazy. And apparently the last person that was banned from the Parliament was this guy that ran around naked. He like ran into the chamber and ran around naked. - Actually ran around naked. - Yeah, like actually, I wasn't even close to that. Like these people are so insane, but they think that what they do is they say the stuff under Parliamentary privilege about me. They give it to their journalist friend Tori Sheppard at the Guardian who writes a hit piece and she puts in an inverted commas. It's, I can't sue her for defamation because she's just quoting something that was said in Parliament. And I can't go off to the politician because they can just lie with impunity in that place because they're protected by privilege. - Well let me know next time saying this happens because and if a story does come out like this because then I can say, 'cause I can say names. - Yeah. - And I've got an audience that has my back. - Yeah, that's awesome. - Like actually, I'm back. Without like some of these people go to war for me. - Yeah. - And they will heavily agree with it and if they know that I'm getting, or if they know that a friend of mine has been outed in a very poor situation and been banned from Parliament. I mean, I can say names on my podcast and I'm like, I'm not saying in the end, I think people would potentially do stuff to them. But they're not physically, but there's potentially people out there that might get upset and they might send some messages to these people. - Yeah. - It's like, okay, if I can deal with it. - None of us are in signing violence. This is just about free speech. - Welcome to the internet, motherfucker. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, no, it's so funny. I don't know if you've seen Abby Chapfield's latest rant. She is talking about all of these anti-choice women popping up on her for you feed. Where are they coming from? Why is she says, why is the fucking, why are these fucking freaks, the anti-abortion movement gathering so much steam? - That's a bit rich coming from her. - Yeah, it is, right? They just, they can't understand that the zeitgeist is shifting, that people are waking up. - Yeah, you know, because they've owned the space for the last decade. And now I've heard her mention a whole bunch of stuff. I've never listened to her stuff at all, but I've heard through second references of a people telling me stuff that, yeah, she'll potentially say a few things about myself and be talking about she's dying. I can't believe how these guys are popular and rising up. And it's like, yeah, yeah, 'cause firstly, you're probably a little bit scared that the space is no longer yours. All right, there's another dude out there that speaks out about Colin Gasson and all this stuff. And they're really, really, probably worried now that they don't dominate the space. And there's a whole bunch of people that are disagreeing with them, when before they had everything. And now there's like, I mean, that's why the popularity of myself or big chalky is just going through the roof 'cause they're like, where? There's finally someone on the internet who's speaking back against this woke nonsense. - Yeah, I think it's really exciting because up until this point, they had everything. They had social media and then they had the mainstream media and they had the corporate and political establishments and they had everything. But now because of social media, you've got independent influencers like yourself and Chucky and myself and others who are now getting their message out. Like Paulian Hansen's rising in the polls despite all of the media hit pieces on her. - Whenever they talk about her, they just makes them more powerful. I need to, I seen Sank with Matt Kavanan yesterday and his first shot at, or his first shot at being the National's Lady, he came out and he started the bag and Paulian Hansen and then I need to send him a message and just be like, mate, I mean, I really like her. But you understand, every single time you talk about these people, you make them bigger. And then two hours later, I see, or not even two hours, 15 minutes later, I see Paulian Hansen has done a tweet just being like, oh, we had Matt Kavanan to the plot of the, or to the group of the radical left like the ABC, the Greens and the Tills and the Labor Party for bagging out one nation. Congratulations, Matt. And it's like, do you just got made a fault? - Absolutely. - Like you got made to look like an idiot. - I know and I can, I think people are really seeing through this. So Matt, for me, I like Matt no Matt. - It's good man. It's really good on the abortion stuff. But let me tell you this, like when Paulian came out and she said, you can't be a good person and be adherent to the Islam political ideology. Like you, because Islam is really radical. Like people like to say, oh, there's a radical Islam and there's Islam, but the ideology itself supports beheading people, right? Like, you know, because they're gay or because they're not wearing the burqa. You know, like this is a really extremist worldview that's embedded in this religion. - Yeah, there are, there are Islam Islamic type people though that won't follow the Quran. - Exactly, but they're not good Muslims, right? So they're good people, but they're not adhering to the Muslim faith. What is the fundamental purpose of going in that country? The end goal is to make that country Muslim. So they're allowed to, under their religion, to lie. So to come to a country, to pretend that they support the values and ideology of that country, but their end goal is the global caliphate. That is the purpose of, you can see it in the UK, like there's Sharia law in some provinces. - I'm sorry. - Because they're now coming out. They wanna legalize cousin marriage because there's so many Muslims and they've now been so embodies. - Cousin marriages is legal in Australia, you know that. - Yeah, it's, look, it's insane. - It's easy, it's easy. - But the thing is, I think I do wanna say, where Matt can have lost it for me is Pauline came out and said the truth, which is you can't be a good person and be fun like an adherent to Islam because it's a fundamentally oppressive and fucked religion. That's essentially what she was saying. Matt canavan came and slammed her for that. When I reckon in his heart, he believes exactly the same thing, but what happens time and time again from conservative politicians is they'll take out her rather than expressing the thing that they know to be true. And that really pieces me off. - Agreed, agreed, agreed. But what would you, so what do you suggest that we do? 'Cause I'm in, I'm all for mass deportations. - But no, but that's a thing. - No, I know, I know, I'm just laughing because you did this video on, you know that video you did about all the Indians? - When? - It was like you were looking at some suburb and there were all the, I don't know. - Yes, yes, yes, yeah. - And I don't know if you saw my husband and I talk about that on our podcast because I am Indian. - Yeah, yeah. - I felt, it's just hard to look at that and not feel upset. - Like from, so you, I, I, I, I, - I've said it me doing the rule. - Yeah, but the thing was when I talked about it. - So what upset you about it? - Yeah, so now, so James said to me, like what's upsetting you Joey? And I said, well, I just feel like Sam thinks lesser of me because I'm originally from India. - Not a little, not a little, but, - That's a James. - No, no, no, no. I think, I think massively, terribly of our government 'cause a lot of people come out and they always say you're a massive racist. - Yeah, I know, and I know you're not. That's a thing, yeah. - Definitely, but, but our government needs to ensure that this is like Australia is kept for Australia. - Exactly. - For example, if we get too many, and I'm, and I'm gonna say Indians, if we get too many Indians in here, we're gonna become a little India. I want Australia to be for Australia. - Yeah, and that's what he said in the real. - Yeah. - And so when I talked about it with James, and I really love him because I think what I really love about James is he just helps me, we talk it through. And like sometimes I win, sometimes he wins. And what he helped me to see was you, you and I actually think the same thing. Like you have no problem with me because of the color of my skin. - If I had a problem with me for a color of your skin, you wouldn't be-- - Yeah, I know. And like, if he was having the same thing about bullying and me, 'cause we're friends, and they'll say like, "How can we be friends with that woman?" She hates you, 'cause the color of your skin, but the thing is she doesn't. All of us are actually aligned with the fact that we want Australia to be like a civilized, a democracy built on Western values, right? And that has to mean something. And if you're importing so many people from our country with views and values that are antithetical to our own, then you're gonna change our country. And I think that real that you showed, James is like, "Well, they're clearly Indian people who have just not assimilated or integrated at all, like that what you are reacting to." And that's the issue, right? So when people don't adopt values. And so the thing is, my dad came here in the late 1980s, bought us over. - And you just let me talk there. Was he put on any type of government support? - No, it could be because he was on a permanent visa. - Because he worked hard. - Yeah. - He came here and worked hard. - My problem with immigration at the moment, all these people coming, they're going to Australian government support. - Well, absolutely. They're like, the whole system is a mess. - And this is what I say, 'cause I, and everyone calls me a raging white supremacist. When I say this, I reject multiculturalism. - Me too. - Fully. And the reason I reject multiculturalism is because what we're bringing into our culture now, one, it's Australian culture, that's it. Two, the people we're importing are being brought in because our government is broke as a system. Right, we are printing massive levels of debt and to cover off that debt, we are bringing a lot of people in to raise up the GDP per capita so we can borrow more. And these people coming in, they're either going straight on NDIS to be support, for network for that, as in a worker for that, or they're getting put on government pensions and government support. And it's like, I completely agree with the 50, 60, 70s, 80s, and 90s multiculturalism because these people came here to work. - So up until 1996, I think that was the turning point. Because that was when we opened the door to temporary migration and that just ballooned out. And you could be on temporary visa, after temporary visa, after temporary visa. So prior to 1996, we were actually very selective about who we brought in. So my dad was a highly skilled migrant and he was brought in on a permanent visa and he made Australia his home. We're now bringing people from all around the world with very few checks at all. We actually have systems in place to lower the immigration standards, you know that? - Yeah, yeah, I know. The system is a total disaster. - We're bringing people in that can't speak English above the age threshold and don't have any skills. - And then the government will turn around and say, "No, no, we've got really high standards for this." But that's for the permanent program. And then the open door, which is the temporary program, we're just churning through so many people with no checks and balances. - Yeah, I'd, one of my, one of my wife's friends follows me and her husband is Indian. And she's like, "We love Sam, but whenever he talks about Indian migration, we get upset." And it's like, you just can't get upset at me because I talk about, I talk about Muslims coming in as well. I talk about, I mean, I talk about Israel coming in as well. I talk about everyone. - Well, this is why you're a dark force Sam. - Yeah, that's right. - So I just want to close the loop on that. So I am not upset at you. I didn't, I realized that my initial emotional-- - And we were just just reached out. - No, I know you're not. - Yeah, we can have a screen. - Yeah, so I had an emotional reaction to the real. I then thought it through and thought, "Well, the point you're making is correct." And so you and I have the same view. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment. It was thought up by leftist universities, who then perpetuated, became the Keating Government policy. They opened the door by Keating and Howard to like millions of immigrants and who had views and values fundamentally different. never came to assimilate and integrate. And so the issue with Muslims, because I have friends who are Muslim, I have students who are Muslims, they are lovely people. But the thing is, if they adhere to the Muslim religion, it's a fundamentally messed up religion. You and I believe in free speech. That is not in the Quran. Like these values that we believe in are in a quality of the Quran. Not in the Quran. You know, it's just completely unethetical to who we are. And we're not seeing the fullness of it now because these people under the Quran, you can lie and assimilate, you can pretend. That's allowed. It's not allowed in Christianity, right? It's in the commandments, you have to tell the truth. You can't murder. But Islam is not a religion of love. You can use murder in G-Had in order to get your end goal, which is a global colour fate. And so, you know, I think we should not be stupid about this. Look at all of the countries in the world that are run as Islamic states and look at how the people are. And they have a treaty. And then we can even see Europe, which is a mess. And so, that's why it upsets me that Matt Canavan and the Australian, like the so-called conservative media, they jumped on Pauline for saying what was actually the truth and they knew deep down it was the truth, but they wanted to score political points. Of course, of course. And this is happens. So, I like Matt, but he shouldn't have done that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, there was a look at, you know, I get it, and this is my view with all of this right. Because a lot of this foreign conflict comes over into it and I'm like, well, how about we just deport both sides? Yeah. You know what I mean? Because do you remember the time right? Because this is the big thing, right? It's like Australians, a lot of the conservatives side stand with the Jewish people. Yeah. And then a lot of the left side stand with the, and then he's me right in the middle of being like, how about both sides? You take this coin, coin, coin, coin, coin. Foreign, foreign, foreign, foreign, foreign conflict and both get out of my country. That's where I see it. Yeah. Because, you know, I've been to Afghanistan. I've fought with Muslims against other Muslims. Yeah. I know that the Muslim world has been at war with itself for thousands of years. There's Shia Muslims, there's Sunni Muslims, and there's people that are lukewarm Muslims that, you know, they identify as that, but they don't really care about the current. But they're not really Muslims. They're not that equipped. Yeah. So I would describe that as like the uniting church says they're Christian, but they're not Christians. Like they believe in same sex marriage. They support a war, they're not Christian. They're not Christian. Like to be Christian, you have to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ like that. He, and then you also have to abide by the commandments and the words in the Bible. Like you can't, they're inconvenient for you if you're on the left. And therefore you can't be Christian if you're a uniting church rainbow church. Like you just can't, you cannot be it. And it's the same with what I would say is these people that you're talking about who. Like Al-Mahed, I'll get my head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like him. The Trump supporter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're not really a Muslim unless you subscribe to what the Quran says, which does talk about you need to kill or Christians and Jews. Like that's part of the Quran. So what about someone like who's the cricket bat, waslamin kojah? He is a, he's a renowned Muslim. He plays a straining test cricket just retired. Players play his five times a day, like it does. Someone like him that plays for the Australian cricket team. Do you think that he's a radical? Okay, so I'm not good at sports. I don't even know who this guy is, but let me just tell you based on what you've said. So I would say that if he is truly an adherent to Muhammad who was a pedophile, you know, he slept with Ayesha at the age of nine, married her when she was six and he's the perfect person. If that's who he worships and sees as the perfect person and his faithful to the Quran, then I don't think he can be a good person. Like with nice is not the same as good. Like I'm sure he's nice. I'm sure he's charismatic. He's probably sounds like it's an awesome cricket player, but you can't be a good person and support a religion that has a pedophile at the head, but don't disagree. I, yeah, yeah, I don't disagree, but my point is what's the end game with this? Okay, so we need to take a leaf out of Trump and restrict immigration from countries that have values that are antithetical to art. What about the kids and that people that are here? Yeah, so I think that it becomes very difficult. So how do you deport citizens? You deport citizens potentially because you say they're broken out law and we've got laws on this stuff. So all of those like G-hardy preachers, they should just be booted out. We should also be closing the gate to citizenship. So there's so many people on the shore today that are temporary. They should just go home. Don't disagree. I mean, I mean, it's easy to get rid of them because we can end those visas. I said that you said that. But I bet Ashton's squirmed because you know when I did the migration review, oh my goodness, the pressure from business groups and vested interests for more migration from these poorer countries. It's huge. Like you couldn't. I had ideas around. My big thesis is that the temporary labor migration system is a total mess, has been for decades. And that's the big sort of work that I've done around a demand dream. Because basically the system's been based on employer demand. So there were all these hurdles to come in via the permanent program. But if you wanted to bring in a temporary migrant, you just have to. You can bring them in. Like it's based on what employers want. Not what's in the best interests of the country or the people. It's just what employers want. And employers are motivated by, "I want to bring this person in and I can pay them as little as I can." You know, what do you pay to Malinasca say? We just want these cheap people from overseas to wipe the bums of us and we want our kids working on the submarines and getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, right? These people, like they're just the elites, right? And they control government and the bureaucracy. It's crazy, too standard system. Yeah, of course. And it's so ironic, right? Because isn't Labor meant to be the party of the working people? They're not. They're the party of the big elites. And people are just able to wake up to that. And so my big thesis is that the temporary program is a mess. We really need to shut it down and have proper systems and processes in place around that. Do you know what Dubai do? Tell me. So Dubai have a system in place where you can't become a citizen. They only have people that can come in and be temporary visa holders. And I don't think you can all, maybe you can buy a property that you can't, but I mean, I've got a really, my lobbying group, preaches this all the time. It's like 2.5, 2.9 million visa holders right here now. A lot of them need to be reviewed. They need to be reviewed for how they got into the country as well. And if they didn't meet the standards, they need to be taken out of the country. There's also 100,000 people that are here illegally. They need to be taken out yesterday. And then we need to completely review the immigration system and understand where these people are coming from. And ensuring they all meet the standards and even raise the standards. They then need to look at the people that are coming in, them not be able to compete with the housing market. And also them not be able to get citizenship. So there will only be a permanent visa holder. That also means that they can't vote in the system. So for someone like Anthony Abnese who wants to bring people in just for voters, then they're not allowed to do that. And the only citizen is like, so 2 permanent visa holders can come here. If they have a baby in this country, they can become a citizen. You have a Australian birthright to be here. Apart from that, there are no other citizenship that are given out to anyone. Okay, so 2 things on that. So one on Dubai, okay, understand the premise, but we also need to just recognize that Dubai, so they bring in temporary migrants to do all the grant work and then they ship them off back home. We just need to acknowledge that when those workers at IndyBuy, they're treated appallingly. They are really? Oh my goodness, yeah. They're crammed in like these rooms. Are they actually Indians? Yeah, mostly Indians. Yeah. What I've heard as well, did you know that there's like apparently 4 or 5 million Indians there at the moment? Do you know that Anthony Abnese with the house bill that he wanted to do and then India were going to pay for the $1/2 billion or 500 billion or something to build the million houses in Australia? Apparently, that was a whole bunch of Indian workers from Dubai that are left there at the moment and they need to get them out. They're going to take them from Dubai and bring them to Australia to build their houses here. Wow. That's what I've heard. Yeah. I don't know if that's true. Don't know if it's true. So look, and I think so the first thing is I would say is if you want to base it on the Dubai model, you've got to acknowledge that those workers were treated like treated subhuman and that's not okay. But that will obviously help. That doesn't happen to happen here. But then the second question I've got just for you, even if we just, so you want to send off the 100,000 illegals, fair enough, I understand they broke the law when they came in. So you wouldn't know this about me, but I've actually gone around interviewing those people. And I've got an Australian research council grant because the left loves to give grants to investigate this sort of stuff. But it was really interesting, Sam, because in going around, you're meeting people from parts of the world with no more like Malaysia, right? Where the labour markets completely messed up and these people have no future. So they want to come here. So they come via tourist visa or an international student visa and then they just stay on it. We can't know, no board of management or system of finding them and sending them home. But the work that they're doing is in horticulture. They're picking, you know, when you're eating. Yeah, they're picking out the wineries. Yeah, exactly. So it's really cool. They're asking them how to spoke to me about the discipline. So that's what's going on. So I just am interested in, do you have a solution for that? Like who does that work if these people aren't? Australians need to be doing that work. And so then how do you get Australians to do that work? We promote it. We give incentives to them. So governments have tried? But also as well, if these people are coming over here doing these jobs like they can't be doing a job in the country that has broken the law. It's like the first thing about immigration over in America. When you come into the country, your first act is coming into the country. You can't be breaking the law. So I agree. with you about that. I completely agree with you about that. But the let's throw money at Aussies to go work on farms. We've tried that, right? There's been, that's part of the work that I've done. We've given them $10,000 to go work in a regional area. Fundamentally, some of that work is just very hard work. Like my husband paid for my engagement ring through working, doing fruit picking. But he's like a big Aussie man and loves these. There's been a weapon. Yeah, he's been there. Yeah, yeah. And he's, he's, he's hard working, like he's not afraid of Grant Labour. But like have you seen the generation of young men that are like, yeah, I don't know. I just, so a lot of farmers will, this is hard work. You paid minimum wage. And the other thing is while you've got a reserve army of exploited temporary migrant labour, no Aussie's going to do it. So to fix the problem, you probably need to increase rages, deal with some of the harsher elements of the work that you could deal with, get rid of the temporary migrant so that it's not just a ghetto because no Aussie's going to work there while it's a ghetto. So there's just, I think that I do think that there are these jobs that may be in a decade where we mechanised and we won't need people to do them. But there are some jobs that just are impossible to mechanise. Yeah, so why don't we make something like a, like there be a, you know, like a resident visa for these people working out there? Like why do they have to have? Yeah. Yeah, agreed. I think that is right. So like the answer would be, okay, we need, we need these people. We need these people to come in, but a lot of them are overstaying there, right, and they might be getting cash money. So why don't we look at that sector directly and say, okay, this is where we're going to have a massive shortfall. We need to have something like a farming visa. Yeah, exactly. So you're right Sam, like we should have a legal pathway that meets the needs of that industry that has a defined end date for people so they go home. They don't stay. Or they can just review it. If there's like a farmer that says, hey, I've got another two years work here. Yeah, I need this person. Yeah. What about the situation where they say this guy's actually a great worker. He's consistent with our values. I'd like to sponsor him for permanent residency. What would be your view on something like that? Well, that's the exact same with like anything else, right? Yeah. So like you would probably say, yes. Yeah. But you'd also have to look at what's happening at the time in the country. Yeah. Do you have enough housing? Yeah. Is there shortage in here? Yeah. It would be like anything else. Just does that person then get a visa? No, I don't think anyone coming into like, if it was my choice tomorrow, everyone that's already here has got a visa. You've got the golden ticket. Yeah. You like visa holders in this country. You have the golden ticket. The only visas that would be going to be given out is through birthright. Yeah. And people coming in now because there might be massive amounts or there might be time in the future where we're like, hey, we can't feed everyone. Yeah. Visa visa. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Visa holders not citizens. You'd need to. Yeah. Yeah. Up and out of this country. So we're going to have to make some harsh calls potentially. Yeah. No. And I think I agree with that that a nation has to have a strong border. If you don't have a strong border, then it's just chaos. And we don't have a strong border right now. We've let so many people in. And if we were connected to land, we would be England. Oh, I know. We would be England. It would be a total total mess. It would be even worse because we are more we are closely more, you know, connected. We have 100 million Muslims at our doorstep in Indonesia. I know. Imagine if they could just walk across. Imagine that. Right. So, you know, they talked a lot about both people, but really this is a plain people academic people coming on planes on a tourist visa. Yeah. And it's so cheap to get the tourist visa and then they then they have a stay. And then they disappear and we can't find them again. So that's what's happening. It's a complete disaster. I think that there are legitimate needs that industry has, but I also think that, you know, if we want to do a Dubai or a Japan where we bring people in without destroying the fabric and we send them home, then the standards have to be good when they come. Like, I think for me, this is a consistent life ethic that if I care about the baby in the womb, not being dismembered and exploited, I also do care about just people coming in and not being the case. I think you and I agree with that. But I think people would like to paint us as like far right extremists, you know. Can I be really harsh? Yeah. I care about Australian people and I care about anyone else. Like, fuck, for example, if there is a family for that is displaced from this war and around, I do not want them here. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm from the point of view is like, I mean, hey, if we cause this mess over and around, if we are, if we have our F 35 jets going in and bombing around, then I mean, like from an ethical point of view, it could be like, yeah, we need to potentially bring in some refugees. But I think to myself, if we get involved in this, we should not be taking one refugee. Like, for example, a lot of people want to hate me for this. You're running soccer players. Sorry, girls, this isn't your country. You need to go to the US because the US, the one that of course is this mess with Israel, Australia, out of this. It's not our like like we are full. Yeah. We are full. And that's how harsh I am because I believe that Australia, we need to be taken care of our own people. And this may sound completely harsh to everyone listening and people might hate me for it. But an Australian life to me is worth more than someone else's life overseas. Yeah. And look, I think in many ways, we all intuitively do this and know this right because like if we're in a, if we're in a war and there's your family and there's my family, I'm going to save my kids. 100%. Like I care about your kids because they're kids, but I am going to save my kids because they're my kids. So we all intuitively know this in the, in the notion of family. But then when it comes to country, I think we have been indoctrinated so much with an open borders philosophy that what you're saying sounds really extreme. But in all the, the reason like Australia was the lucky country, like it had that notion, right, was because we had a very strict immigration system, we had high wages, we had great natural resources and we built something. And now it feels like we're destroying something. You know, it's hard to recognise the country because it's been taken over by radical left ideologues. Do you get, because over the last couple years, the immigration debate has been massive? Do you feel like people would silently racist to you because you're Indian in Australia? No, no, no. I think that, you know, they did this review of higher, I don't know if you saw it, the University sector in the race commissioner came out and said, you know, this is a pulling like there's one in three people have racist incidents at universities. Like, are you serious? Is that just a, that's just, they just say this, they just say this to create a narrative in Australian public. Absolutely not. Like I, like I am not discriminated against because of the colour of my skin. I have so much opportunity. I'm discriminated against because of my political views on abortion. That's what's really going on. That's why they're coming after me. If anything, as a brown woman out of university, that's mean, like, it's mean like a, I don't want to be crude, but it's like a wet dream. Like you get to, you literally get promotion opportunities, right? There's, there's, there's special scholarships and pathways because of affirmative action. That's now not just about gender, it's about race. And, and our university even now has like a gender affirming leave policy. Like, so if you want to transition, you get like days of work because of Christian, you don't get that. You know, it's just, the leftist agenda is so panicious that it's taken over everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that. But, but I have an experienced racism. And I think that if you integrate and assimilate, you don't, people are, people are, people are very welcoming to you. Yeah. No, like, and this is this one of my, this one, so like I have to argue, or a few arguments with immigration that we're being lied to with multiculturalism because it's only being used to prop up our GDP. And then secondly, the housing market as well. Like, I just want the younger generation to reprise back into the housing market to have the same opportunities that I had when I was buying my first home back in 2013, 12, whenever. But having that opinion gets you called racist and, and I mean, I don't really like who cares what they call me in the day. But there's also the big argument with me that, you know, like Australia is for Australians. Yeah. So I just, Sam, would you see me as Australian? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Are you born here? No. My dad was born in India and my mum was well. Did you always go in here? Yeah. We came when I was four. So I really don't know another country. Yeah. And I guess my view is if you hear already, and you're a citizen, if you're Australian, yeah, yeah. If you're a temporary migrant, you're not. And that's a harsh reality, but it just is the reality. I mean, it boils down to citizenship, right? Yeah. Are you legally that a big year is country? Well, that makes you Australian. There's a lot of arguments out there saying that's, you know, Australians from the Anglo-Keltic background, right? You know, like they're the only Australians. Yeah. But my, my picture of Australia is the 90s Australia. Yeah. Where it was like predominantly Anglo-Keltic. Yeah. But we did have mixes of, but now it's getting to the point where it's like, it's really changed. Yeah. And like, people like me, I mean, Andrew Hastie came out and said it six, nine months ago, even though me and him had a full out, he came out and said, I'm watching my country change. And the media and his own party came after him. Yeah. No. Look, I think Hastie did, you and I agree. Hastie did the wrong thing on the hate speech laws. And that was just fundamentally messed up. But he was brave on the immigration question. He's, you know, just like Jacina was brave on the voice. Like, some of these guys have done the right thing in forcing a conversation that we need to have. In my view, no one's been more brave than Pauline because she's been saying this since 1996. She hasn't changed anything. Yeah. So she's been really, really good. I mean, the Farrah election is going to be really, really, really, is really, really keen vital to see what happens in that electorate where someone like Libra would normally dominate. Yeah. Will Libra will help the till member there who is funded by climate 200 is there? Who is a radical leftist? Yeah. That's, that's So it'll be really interesting to see how that goes, but by all reports, they're going to win by a lot better to be who preferences, who they tell their photos to preference at the end of the day. I think we're a really interesting point in our country. We've never been here before. No, never. And so you've got labor and the liberals who, at this point, were not seeing much change, even with Angus Taylor being the leader, is there really much of a difference between them? The libous are just a little bit better than Labour, in my opinion, at the moment. If Alex Antic was leader, that'd be a different story. Right? But Alex is the only one that has been brave and consistent. And if the Liberal Party was him, this would be different, but they're not him. There's a reason why he eats by himself in politics. Yeah. And the Liberal Party can't be conservative while it has the moderate faction in it, so the leftists. They're just being eaten alive from within. So one nation has the benefit of just having. And that's really been exposed over the past year. Yeah. So one nation is now like our alternative. It's the Nigel Farage reform thing from the UK. We've got this opportunity and this moment, but the question is, will Pauline be able to realise it? Will her party actually be able to have the structure and the governance model to be able to do this? This is. And we know that the power of the media is diminishing because we can see that her rising in the polls, that's showing that people like yourself are having a huge impact. But we just don't know where this ends, but I do think the future of the country is at stake. Yeah, and well, people. This is how much people don't care. They don't care what Pauline has set up. They just care that it's away from the two parties. Yeah. And like we just want someone that can sit there and come out and say, yeah, this is a man is a man and a woman is a woman. I mean, I mean, like. It's a shame I'm just. I always get these questions. And like. because I speak up against a lot of stuff overseas that I don't like. I'm critical of Israel. I'm critical of Iran. I'm critical of the US. I'm really, really pro-Australia sovereignty with our own stuff here. And everyone always comes in and say, you know they're all controlled. Every single party is controlled. I'm like, well, if they're all controlled, I just want the party that can understand what a woman is and what a man is. Do you know what I mean? I do. I mean, for me, the litmus test is abortion, actually. So I would like a party that respects human life from conception. Now, Pauline and one nation, they're not fully pro-lipers, but they do have the most pro-liposition of any of the major parties. They protect a baby from 12 weeks. And Pauline and I will go back and forth on that because we don't see our eye completely. But I just respect the fact that she's willing to have the conversation and she's fully against late-term abortion and leaving babies to die after their abortion. And no one other than Andy from the Liberals is willing to come out on that. And Andy's a real one. Yeah. And Labor just loves that. They're addicted to abortion. They got taken over by feminists in the mid-90s, 'Emily's List.' Do you know about that? Yeah. So Julia Gillard, Candy Broad, Carmen Lawrence, Joan Kernard, these arch feminists in the early 1990s, they thought, how do we wrestle the party from the Catholic right? And they created 'Emily's List.' And its sole goal at the time was abortion up to birth for any reason. Complete, you know, car blanch on abortion. And that was their goal. And so they started in 1996 and they said, you know, we want quotas. So they fought for quotas. So now, you know, the N40 rule, 40% of all the parliament needs to be women. I think it's now 50% is now that rule. But they got that through. But it was contingent upon, they only support a woman. They'd never allow me to be pre-selected. They only support you if you're a pro-abortioned woman. And so Emily's list became incredibly powerful. Like Tony Abbott called them the most powerful faction within the Labor Party. But no one ever hears about them. You don't even know they exist. But now, you know, in the one year after they formed in 1996, the next year, I think they got seven women, pro-abortion women, elected in the Northern Territory in South Australia. And then from there now, you cannot be the leader without the support of Emily's list. So the party is run by radical leftist feminists who want to kill babies. And that's why it's the party of evil. And that's why he's come vote for it. Well, they were also, I believe that right, because if you look back at, or anything I've been easy was saying, 15, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, right, he was very, very pro-Palestine. He would go to his matches. And now he's completely shifted right. He's like, yeah, he's, they sold their soul. I watched the poll the other day because pretty much everyone in the Labor Party right, they all stand with that pro-Palestine side and then the right more. But I mean, yeah. I hate it. I just hate so much. That's so much of our political class and also our social media class, constant training overseas conflicts. It really drives me out the wall. But where I'm getting to here is Anthony Abonese has sold out his voter base. I was talking to a guy that I know who's a, like a Labor/Green's voter. And he's like, I've been shifted fully to the Greens because Anthony Abonese, he no longer stands for something. He was down yesterday, he was down four points in the poll and the Greens were up by three points because he's now selling out his own voter base by doing that, backing that stuff. Well, they're caught between a rock and a hard place, right? They really do want to outlaw Islamophobia, right? Because that's a Greens position, it's a far left position. But they can't because then that pisses off the Jewish lobby. Yes. Right? And then they really want to like make Christian Newly like, they think like Christians are bigots. They can't because they need the Christian voters in Western Sydney and in New South Wales, you know? So they just, they, it's really hard when all you care about is power. Exactly right. And that's exactly what we're seeing right now. We're seeing people getting sold out and they're selling their soul. Like, I can tell you right now, Anthony Abonese despises Israel. He despises America. But now he has to stand with them. And to just to watch for men like that be sold out so quickly because he wants power and he wants to stay in control, just show his how pathetic these people are. Oh, I know. And you know what I thought was one of the most pathetic displays, but he was loud as a hero after Bono was Chris Mince, right? So he, you remember they were always booing, the crowds were booing, the Jewish lobby was booing, Abonese, but then said Mince was a hero. But one of the things Mince said was we need hate speech laws because to make multiculturalism work. We saw this, but he basically said like we're a multicultural country. We can't allow people to say what they really think because we're going to all end up fighting each other. But if that's the case, then you don't throw out the stuff that our veterans fought for back in World War II, like our very freedoms because of this failed ideology of multiculturalism. Like, if you don't restrict the speech of normal Australians like you and me, just good people that want to sort out our wars with words rather than violence, you don't do that. By restricting us, you just get rid of the bad guys. Did you see what recently happened up in Queensland? So there was a, I'm going to do a real one, because I actually, I actually stand with this four leftist uni student female. She went to a protest and said from the river to the sea, but that saying has been banned in Queensland and she's going to potentially sit in prison for two years. And I'm a free speech officer. Me too. You should be able to say whatever you want without threatening someone. Or an exciting violent. I'm actually on the same page as you. Yeah. Like she should be able to say that. But now we're now getting to a dangerous place and there's a lot of people on the right coming out and being like, yeah, she shouldn't be able to say that. It's just be careful because one day those laws could be used against you for speaking up against multiculturalism or even immigration. I mean, they're great now, but they're a chosen horse. 100%. Yeah. 100% with you. So I don't think we should criminalize speech unless an insights violence. And I think that David Christopher Lee is just, he's the premier of Queensland. I just have the lowest opinion of him in the world. Be the dirtbag isn't he? Oh, he's pathetic. What happened with you guys? Because I seen you with the caters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good people. I like Robbie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like Robbie and Bob. So the problem with David is he's just, he's pathetic. He's like a like a weak man. So he, you know, back when in the Liberal Party, you had to be a pro-life Christian or to become leader. He voted against abortion up to birth. But now with the zeitgeist shifting and the media and all of the heat jobs and all of that, you know, he's just, he's gagged the parliament from even talking about abortion or legislating on abortion. It's never been done before. Like we're a democracy. So he gagged a bag. Yeah, for four years. Like for four years. And Queensland's the abortion capital of the country. Like there's more babies killed by capital there than any other state. And in the highest number of babies surviving their abortion and being left to die. When abortion upto birth was introduced in Queensland in 2018, the health minister told the parliament late term abortions will not increase. In just three years, they've more than doubled in Queensland. They should be in inquiry into that. The media of course doesn't do a fact check on that original statement, you know, will late term have late term abortions increased. They'll never do that fact check because it doesn't comply with their narrative. And so David Chris, if really is presiding over a genocide in his state and now a cover-up and people like me who are getting the word out, he's actually got the independent commission on crime after me. I'm being investigated. He's pressured meta to pull down all my posts. What? He's got crime units coming after you. Well, they're investigating me for publishing the whistleball photo of Samuel. So they're coming after you? Yeah. Yeah. Taxpayer funded money is coming after you. Yeah, absolutely. Tax pay funded lawyers are forcing the social media companies to restrict me. So that's David Christopher Lee. And so when he says, oh, I'm going to ban these phrases from the River to the Sea. I'm just thinking this is you, Mr. authoritarianism, because you're dictated, David. So I agree with you. Like I think leftists should be allowed. I had to say what they want to say to, except if it's in science, we already have laws criminalizing that. That's what this country is. And yet our so-called conservative party is doing stuff like this. So what hope do we have here? It only makes anti-Semitism worse as well. Of course. People got to understand that. It's like, okay, so I'll do a comment. I'll do a real one this afternoon. I can guarantee in the comments will be, all you have to, whoever controls you is the people you can't criticize because everyone's like, these people control us. The Jewish lobby control us. Israel controls us. And it just adds fuel to the fire when they ban speeches like this. It goes public. We all do rules about it and it amplifies anti-Semitism. Because of some of this stuff that they're doing in the government. I really feel for the Jewish people, obviously what I have in Bondi is horrible, but the response to Bondi shouldn't have been to ban speech. No, it should have been to kick out Islamic extremists. Exactly. Do it done the shot. And then to actually look at immigration. That's the, that's the, that's the answer. Yeah, exactly. It's not speech. Or let's do it like it's because I pointed out multiple things that that failings by the government. And I remember talking to Chocchi four days after it because I had them on the podcast. These failings look that bad. That this thing looks like it was a setup. That's how bad they look. And I'm like, how can you fail time and time again with the government of this? So if it's not Islamic extremists, it's government failure on such a level that this looks setup. And then they started bringing in these laws. They started taking guns away. And there's a whole bunch of people now that are saying, Bondi is a false flag. Yeah. No, I've seen that online. I never know what you think about all of this stuff because it's just-- But it looks, I mean, me from my conspiracy theory, brain, I come back and say, I mean, you can't fuck up that bad as a government. Then bring in these totalitarian laws and think that no one's going to start asking questions. I think that the pro-- I think that Albanese had those laws in these back pocket. 100% anything. It was done by the-- It was done by the till chick. Yeah. So the till lady, four member, four Bondi-- Yeah, I like a spender. --she had these laws written up three months ago as you try to put them through parliament. It just adds another level to the conspiracy. I know. And then they re-put them back in. I'm like, what's going on? I know. But you know something interesting. So SBS did a show recently called Social Schism. It was a special episode. And they had a leg responder. They had a Hannah Ferguson on. They had all their leftist-- the race commissioner, all the leftist darlings. Right? And then they had one so-called conservative Adam Krainin from the Australian. And the conversation was like, how do we get social cohesion? But they don't mean social cohesion. The way it's traditionally meant. They just mean, how do we get everyone to agree with the left? Like, that's essentially what they-- How do we silence voices? And so their vision is like, we restrict speech. We stop hate. You know, we clamp down on social media because forces like you and myself stirring up this hate. You know, like that is the vision. But the irony of it all is like, you look at the ratings for that program. It was built as this real special taxpayer fund and advertised to the-- you know, to everyone. 74,000 people watched it. And you got a laugh right. Because your videos are going to 300,000 a day at a minimum. And that's just a helpful-- I have some of my Aaron and half podcasts that go well over 74,000. Yeah, exactly. So you just got to think that they're trying their hardest to control the narrative and to shut people at you and I down. But it's not working at this point. Pretty much every single podcast on my audible podcast would get numbers around that. Yeah. And it's like-- Yeah. So I think these people are actually so scared, which is why I have an easy force those laws through. And now we're starting-- Yeah. And then you can hear it in speech. Duck forces. Like-- Yeah. Yeah. This is duck forces time. Yeah. Yeah. And they-- I spoke to-- who do I speak to about it? I spoke to Antique. And there was someone else. I asked him about it on there. I said, is Anthony Abonese scared? He said he's shit scared. Like why is he saying all this stuff now? Oh, absolutely. And the more they say it, the more they build it up, the more we embrace it. And the more hardcore we become with our voice. So one-- I spend a lot of time in this work failing at this point. As in, I've-- we've drafted about four or five bills to try and deal with the born alive issue and the late term abortion issue. At this point, we're losing. These are just-- they should pass, but they're just not. And-- but we are winning in, I think, in the culture, like there's hearts and minds being changed. And I think this baby's being saved. And there's mums being saved and dads because they're not being co-opted into this process of abortion or choosing it, right? They're not becoming murderers. But one time I did see us actually get a victory was last year in New South Wales, the Greens proposed a bill that would have forced Christian hospitals to perform abortions. And it would have forced doctors without who didn't want to perform abortion to perform them. So their conscience rights were violated. And they were also going to remove all the data, keeping a crime and surround abortion. It was such a sinister bill proposed by the Greens. And someone in Labor read to me the advice to caucus that was given by head office on that bill. And it essentially was to vote for that bill. Labor was not going to oppose it. There was technically, and there'd be a conscience vote, but there's enough pro-abortion people in Labor. And it vote for it. It was going to pass unamended. Anyway, I get a call about this. And I say, like, what are you guys doing? And sitting there, who's running a campaign? What's ACL doing? What's the church is doing? Like, come on, someone must be doing something. Everyone was like, oh, we're just going to write letters. And maybe do a petition. I was like, no, we need a public show of force. Like, we need a show that we are opposed to this. So with less than a week, I said, we're doing a rally outside the parliament who wants to join. And we got about 5,000 people. And it was enough to force the green lady, like, a man of conch, she didn't introduce her bill that day. And so then it got delayed. And then there was the federal election. And then we ran a massive campaign. And the night before the vote in the upper house, we got 10,000 people, six bishops, Tony Abbott was there at the rally. And Chris Minnes buckled. Labor buckled. You had the most pro-warshan woman in labor, Penny Sharp, who's the head of the opposition in the upper house. She was now on our side the next night amending the bill. So this Greens bill got completely gutted. We got rid of 95% of it. And it was pro-warshan women in labor who were on our side because their backbench was freaking out that they were going to lose West and Sydney. And so Minnes and they all buckled head office. And it was because of the show of People Bower. So that was the first time I guess I saw these glimpses of, OK. So we haven't been able to go on the offensive and pass something that we want to pass yet. But we are actually holding them back, which we weren't doing previously. Are you getting more support? Yeah. So there's more support. So we've now got a-- I think it moved in about 300,000 with the following online. So across five platforms and then the people in our database. It's really-- and it's probably more than that. But I guess I'm just conservatively understanding because of double ups. But we're growing. And I think they know this. And so they're afraid of us now. Are they trying to shut you down? Of course. Yeah. Do you get personal attacks? Do you get death threats? Yeah. And we even have rape threats with my daughters. Like with men to people. Yeah. They're horrible. I've had to go through it in my daughter as well. Yeah. It just-- it sends me. Yeah. Yeah. It's really-- It really, really makes me-- I wish I could get my hands on these people. Yeah. But I want to see we shall get my hands on these people. Yeah. The police have worked out based on the stamps that this is coming from a personal person's in. Yeah. To your house. No. To my university. To the law firm I'm associated with. Yeah. So this-- They do fingerprint analysis. And they haven't found anything as possible. Yeah. Because it's only fingerprint analysis if someone is a criminal first. Yeah. So-- but they can tell they're coming from South Australia. So it's people who live on the same state as me who want to kill me and rape my children and me. Like it's just-- A lot of these things are-- I like to call them-- they're not threats. Yeah. But you've got to worry about 1%-- Yeah. --the 1% that these-- Yeah, the crazies. --the crazies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I do have like these very devoted trolls who literally do daily videos about me. I get the same thing. And I just permanently try to get me sacked at work. So that's-- that's-- that's a real pressure point. And they're constantly trying. They're a farming. Yeah. Which side? How do you deal with that? I'm just wondering how I should be doing that. Yeah. I guess-- so I'm relying on all-- I just have this piece that I'm doing the right thing that I should be doing this. And then it's making a difference. I can see the fruits of it. But even if it wasn't, it's just the right thing to do. Do you find strength through your faith? I do. And I find strength through my family. So I think the thing is-- I guess I know this world is not my home. It's like my ship. It's like, I'm here. I want to make the world a better place. But I'm living in light of eternity. My goal is to get myself and my kids to have them, like to be there. And I know that I will be as a commuter Christian. But my husband is my best friend, or has been his rock. The kids I have-- I think the thing is-- like a friend of mine wanted to catch up on the weekend. This might be the best way of explaining it. And I just said, oh, I don't want to catch up on the weekend. Because my kids are home. Because they're at school now. My age between five and 15, they're all at school. And so I'm like, well, I don't want to go away on the weekend and catch up with a girlfriend. Because I just like hanging out with them. Once your daughter's pretty little, but once they're older, you just have the best time with them. Your personality? Yeah, they do your head in two. But it's also super fun and enriching them. My husband's teaching them all how to surf. And he's really liking that. Like it's really just the best gift in the world is family. And so I think that's what sustains me. But I do-- it is hard sometimes. And I sometimes like-- yeah, I guess at first what was really hard is I was just such an outlier. So nobody wanted-- when I started doing this work on abortion, a lot of the elements in the pro-life movement thought I was going to be detrimental. Like I could-- Oh, because you would have also got killed as well, because you were mostly left. So then-- You want to go killed in the sky. - Yeah, so I was just sort of like, people didn't really know what to make of me. And it felt very lonely. Now it doesn't, 'cause like you, I have so many people that, oh, this is so beautiful and support me and I have my back. But at the first, with the first 11 months, it was so lonely, and you're posting these videos that are really bad, 'cause you don't know how to do it. And I honestly said to James, like I was like, I don't even, this sounds really dramatic, but I said, I don't even know if I'll ever be happy again, because I just feel so depressed, like this is so hard. I've killed my career to speak to an audience of 1,000 people. That was for 11 months. And then I don't know if you know Joel Jamal, but he shared one of my videos 12 months here. - Yeah, no Joel. - And then it got, like I got an audience. People started to find out about me, and it started to grow from there. But the first bit, I just had to be faithful to the core, because it was, but with no fruits, no outcomes. - Yeah. - Would you all, husband, be interesting in coming on the podcast? - Yeah, I reckon you guys would get on. Like, you're not gonna agree on everything again, but he, but I reckon you'd really get on. He talks a lot about the housing stuff. So he's a furniture designer by background, and now he does, he critiques a lot of the ugly builds that are going up, and he talks a lot about that stuff, but he's also been outspoken about the trans issue. He's been canceled in the, he's in the arts field. Like he was at the Jam factory doing furniture design. He's largely been canceled because of me, right? Like, you know, anyone, no one's gonna work with him in the design industry because he's married to me. And, and, it's horrible. These people are so, - What are sad to start with leaving for? - And he's so talented that he was shortlisted for the Australian furniture designer ward. He's incredible. - Hmm. - But, and again, he was the one, so he made me pro-life through that argument, and then me going on a journey. He was also the one that said to go on social media 'cause he'd built his furniture design business up on socials. So when I was getting hammered on the issue, on the abortion issue, I haven't really told you that backstory, but he's, James said, 'cause the media was writing hit pieces on me, because I tried to set up an organization to counter the power of Emily's list. So I set up something called in-adliance list to get pro-life women into politics. Media was going, hard at me. I didn't have social media at that point. Tori Shepherd wrote a hit piece on me. She asked me for my answers to her questions. I replied by email. She published the hit piece without any of my statement and claims she never got the email, because she just wanted to take me out. And so that's what was going on. And James said, Joey, you need to go on social media so you can get your side of the story out. The media is killing you. I really didn't want to do it, but he was like, you have to do it. And he even helped make the videos and edited them in the bathroom. - They're cringe when you first do my- - So bad. But I'm grateful for him, because he's really believed in me to do this stuff. And so I think that's what keeps me going. Like, yeah. - That's good. Well, I'd like to have him on the podcast. Can you ask him? - Yeah, I will. - And join a hair that's where we're gonna wrap it up. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you for coming on to our slide podcast. - Yeah, I was, you know, I mean, I've done, I never do this. We'll just reflect on the podcast. The first 30 minutes really pulled at me. You know, I'm really pulled at my strings. I was even getting teary sitting there as well. And it's something that people need to hear though. Right? Unfortunately, when I have someone on called, do you know Michael Carpenter? No. Andrew Carpenter. He's been labeled the man most hated by child sex offenders. - Oh, okay. - Friend of mine. He's been on podcast three times. He's coming on again soon. But we talk about child exploitation. And it's a real turn the topic of type of podcast you do. And I fear that this will be as well where people just like, I can't hear this. But I hope they do get to the end of this. And I hope as well, I'll, do you have an organization or a business where people can donate? - Oh, yeah. People can go to DrShinaHoud.com.au and see my story and there's a donate button. But I'd love if people subscribed to my YouTube channel and Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Dr. JhanaHoud. - Yep, I will put all them in, obviously I'll collaborate with you with everything. But then in the YouTube as well, you can collaborate on YouTube now. - Yeah, of course. - So as people are watching, you know, I don't know how many people will watch but all my subscribers hopefully will come to you as well. - Yeah, thanks Sam. I really appreciate it. You got to tell BigChocky to have me on. - And he hasn't touched the abortion issue. I don't know why. He and Ben and he is a very, very strong Christian. - Yeah, and he was adopted apparently. So I'm, - Yeah, he's from, I think he's from Columbia or something. - Yeah. - Good for anyone. - So I'd like to. 'Cause I'd like to him to cover this issue too. I appreciate you doing it. It's not an easy topic. And I think, you know, like we talked about a whole range of things but I appreciated having the opportunity to tell your audience what abortion is. - And I saw it again. - Yeah, I'd love that. I'd love that. You can come out every six months or whatever you want. And honestly, like if you've got sank and it's important where you need to talk about it. You've got to build it. You need to, that you need to eyes on or if you've got a march coming up you need to eye the sign. Just come and podcast. - Okay. - You can literally just message me and show everyone. - Thanks Sam. And I'd like to get you to the march. - Which march? - The next one we do in Adelaide. I don't know when it is, but when we do it. 'Cause we want to introduce bills every year. Until we start protecting these babies. So I'd love to have you in your wife. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe not my wife. 'Cause. - We do be worried for her. - Yeah, I don't let her go to public events with me. - Okay. - 'Cause then she can be photoed. - So I protect her. - Yeah, good on you. - Yeah. - She has no social media and nothing like that. - I so. - Yeah. - So I'm very, very careful with that type of life. So it would just be me. - Yeah, that was okay. - Yeah, cool. All right, thank you very much. - All right, thanks Sam. - Thanks for tuning in to Two World's Glide Podcast. If you want to support what I'm doing, you can grab time merch or jump on my Patreon program. Both links are in the description. Until next week, take care guys.